Date: 13/07/2019 12:41:24
From: Rule 303
ID: 1410801
Subject: Fuel Price Patterns

Every explanation I’ve ever heard for fuel pricing falls flat on its face when presented with the real world:

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Date: 13/07/2019 12:58:12
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1410815
Subject: re: Fuel Price Patterns

Rule 303 said:


Every explanation I’ve ever heard for fuel pricing falls flat on its face when presented with the real world:


Purpose is to create temporary artificial ‘discounts’ in various areas, each area in turn, to encourage a mild form of panic buying to take advantage, thus boosting volume of sales.

When the price is put up again, volume of sales falls, but profit per litre sold increases.

Win/win for oil companies.

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Date: 13/07/2019 13:29:22
From: dv
ID: 1410833
Subject: re: Fuel Price Patterns

Rule 303 said:


Every explanation I’ve ever heard for fuel pricing falls flat on its face when presented with the real world:


Got to admit, I’m surprised Sydney and Melbourne don’t have any kind of weekly cycle.q

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Date: 13/07/2019 15:57:38
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1410861
Subject: re: Fuel Price Patterns

How they stay in business offering 40c/l more, I don’t know.

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Date: 13/07/2019 16:49:24
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1410875
Subject: re: Fuel Price Patterns

Rule 303 said:


Every explanation I’ve ever heard for fuel pricing falls flat on its face when presented with the real world:


Don’t understand Darwin, but the rest make perfect sense.

In places with very little competition between petrol stations, in this case Canberra and Hobart, the petrol sale price fairly well follows the bulk cost to the petrol stations.

As competition increases, in this case Perth, each petrol station prices itself just under what its neighbour used as a price the day before, creeping downward until the low price becomes unsustainable and jumps upwards by exactly 10, 20 or 30 cents per litre in order to fool inattentive drivers into thinking that the price hasn’t changed.

Initially this, as in Perth, cycles weekly in sync with the demand which varies between weekdays and weekends.

But then long distance drivers get wise to the weekly cycle of prices, and only buy petrol on the day of the week where they know it’s going to be lowest. So to overcome this, we have the service stations slowly deceasing their prices to beat their competitors, but jumping up on random days. We see this most clearly in the Brisbane chart. But you also see the slow drop and jump up in charts for Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. The rise doesn’t appear as precipitous in for example Sydney because difterent batches of petrol stations in the city time their price jump on different days.

The whole purpse of the cycles is to outcompete the neighbouring petrol stations while at the same time fooling the drivers into buying petrol at as high a price as possible.

It ought to be possible to write a little computer program to generate these patterns.

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Date: 13/07/2019 16:54:26
From: party_pants
ID: 1410877
Subject: re: Fuel Price Patterns

mollwollfumble said:


Rule 303 said:

Every explanation I’ve ever heard for fuel pricing falls flat on its face when presented with the real world:


Don’t understand Darwin, but the rest make perfect sense.

In places with very little competition between petrol stations, in this case Canberra and Hobart, the petrol sale price fairly well follows the bulk cost to the petrol stations.

As competition increases, in this case Perth, each petrol station prices itself just under what its neighbour used as a price the day before, creeping downward until the low price becomes unsustainable and jumps upwards by exactly 10, 20 or 30 cents per litre in order to fool inattentive drivers into thinking that the price hasn’t changed.

Initially this, as in Perth, cycles weekly in sync with the demand which varies between weekdays and weekends.

But then long distance drivers get wise to the weekly cycle of prices, and only buy petrol on the day of the week where they know it’s going to be lowest. So to overcome this, we have the service stations slowly deceasing their prices to beat their competitors, but jumping up on random days. We see this most clearly in the Brisbane chart. But you also see the slow drop and jump up in charts for Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. The rise doesn’t appear as precipitous in for example Sydney because difterent batches of petrol stations in the city time their price jump on different days.

The whole purpse of the cycles is to outcompete the neighbouring petrol stations while at the same time fooling the drivers into buying petrol at as high a price as possible.

It ought to be possible to write a little computer program to generate these patterns.

Perth has a fuel-watch scheme, where prices are set the day before and published online. They may not be changed until the following day. Compared to the other cities it does not seem to deliver cheaper prices, just more volatility. Unless you actually use the website and drive to wherever is the cheapest within the neighboruing three or four suburbs.

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Date: 13/07/2019 16:59:53
From: dv
ID: 1410880
Subject: re: Fuel Price Patterns

Perth, as the chart indicates, has a powerful weekly cycle for ULP. Cheapest on Sunday and Monday.

For some reason this doesn’t apply to diesel, which is pretty flat all week.

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Date: 13/07/2019 17:13:54
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1410884
Subject: re: Fuel Price Patterns

mollwollfumble said:


Rule 303 said:

Every explanation I’ve ever heard for fuel pricing falls flat on its face when presented with the real world:


Don’t understand Darwin, but the rest make perfect sense.

In places with very little competition between petrol stations, in this case Canberra and Hobart, the petrol sale price fairly well follows the bulk cost to the petrol stations.

As competition increases, in this case Perth, each petrol station prices itself just under what its neighbour used as a price the day before, creeping downward until the low price becomes unsustainable and jumps upwards by exactly 10, 20 or 30 cents per litre in order to fool inattentive drivers into thinking that the price hasn’t changed.

Initially this, as in Perth, cycles weekly in sync with the demand which varies between weekdays and weekends.

But then long distance drivers get wise to the weekly cycle of prices, and only buy petrol on the day of the week where they know it’s going to be lowest. So to overcome this, we have the service stations slowly deceasing their prices to beat their competitors, but jumping up on random days. We see this most clearly in the Brisbane chart. But you also see the slow drop and jump up in charts for Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. The rise doesn’t appear as precipitous in for example Sydney because difterent batches of petrol stations in the city time their price jump on different days.

The whole purpse of the cycles is to outcompete the neighbouring petrol stations while at the same time fooling the drivers into buying petrol at as high a price as possible.

It ought to be possible to write a little computer program to generate these patterns.

And the program tells you the best Servo and time to buy.

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Date: 13/07/2019 17:14:58
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1410885
Subject: re: Fuel Price Patterns

mollwollfumble said:


Rule 303 said:

Every explanation I’ve ever heard for fuel pricing falls flat on its face when presented with the real world:


Don’t understand Darwin, but the rest make perfect sense.

In places with very little competition between petrol stations, in this case Canberra and Hobart, the petrol sale price fairly well follows the bulk cost to the petrol stations.

As competition increases, in this case Perth, each petrol station prices itself just under what its neighbour used as a price the day before, creeping downward until the low price becomes unsustainable and jumps upwards by exactly 10, 20 or 30 cents per litre in order to fool inattentive drivers into thinking that the price hasn’t changed.

Initially this, as in Perth, cycles weekly in sync with the demand which varies between weekdays and weekends.

But then long distance drivers get wise to the weekly cycle of prices, and only buy petrol on the day of the week where they know it’s going to be lowest. So to overcome this, we have the service stations slowly deceasing their prices to beat their competitors, but jumping up on random days. We see this most clearly in the Brisbane chart. But you also see the slow drop and jump up in charts for Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. The rise doesn’t appear as precipitous in for example Sydney because difterent batches of petrol stations in the city time their price jump on different days.

The whole purpse of the cycles is to outcompete the neighbouring petrol stations while at the same time fooling the drivers into buying petrol at as high a price as possible.

It ought to be possible to write a little computer program to generate these patterns.

I should add. The computer program to simuoat this would be a https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automaton

Sale price drops in each daily (or half day) period at each cell depending on sale price at neighbouring cells, cost price, demand, and competition strength. Demand in turn depends on time (how often cars run out of petrol) sale price, and competition strength.

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Date: 13/07/2019 17:19:04
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1410887
Subject: re: Fuel Price Patterns

> And the program tells you the best Servo and time to buy.

Yes. Both. Though more accurate on time to buy than best servo.

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Date: 15/07/2019 11:22:06
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1411497
Subject: re: Fuel Price Patterns

Driving from S Highlands to Sydney via Wollongong yesterday the price of 1 lt bog standard ULP varied between $1.20 and $1.60.

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Date: 15/07/2019 15:08:33
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1411551
Subject: re: Fuel Price Patterns

The Rev Dodgson said:


Driving from S Highlands to Sydney via Wollongong yesterday the price of 1 lt bog standard ULP varied between $1.20 and $1.60.

Pretty much what we noticed on driving from Albury to Melbourne a week ago.

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Date: 15/07/2019 15:11:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 1411552
Subject: re: Fuel Price Patterns

mollwollfumble said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Driving from S Highlands to Sydney via Wollongong yesterday the price of 1 lt bog standard ULP varied between $1.20 and $1.60.

Pretty much what we noticed on driving from Albury to Melbourne a week ago.

probably $2 at Willcannia then.

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