Date: 14/07/2019 09:33:02
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1411121
Subject: Europe's ancient megaliths

https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/megaliths-brittany

The origin of the roughly 35,000 ancient monuments that dot Europe and the British Isles has long been a haunting mystery. From the Ring of Bodnar in the Scottish Orkney Islands to Stonehenge in the English countryside, to the Carnac stones in France, these ancient monuments have fascinated people for as long as they’ve been known.

Remarkably, there’s never been a serious effort made to date all of these structures in order to establish a single credible prehistoric timeline. Now, however, Bettina Schulz Paulsson has done exactly that using radiocarbon dating, lining up the sequence in which 2,410 of these sites were constructed. Her research has just been published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on February 11.

As it turns out that it all started with single hunter-gatherer culture in an area now known as Brittany, France some 7,000 years ago.

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Date: 14/07/2019 09:34:50
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1411122
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Bogsnorkler said:


https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/megaliths-brittany

The origin of the roughly 35,000 ancient monuments that dot Europe and the British Isles has long been a haunting mystery. From the Ring of Bodnar in the Scottish Orkney Islands to Stonehenge in the English countryside, to the Carnac stones in France, these ancient monuments have fascinated people for as long as they’ve been known.

Remarkably, there’s never been a serious effort made to date all of these structures in order to establish a single credible prehistoric timeline. Now, however, Bettina Schulz Paulsson has done exactly that using radiocarbon dating, lining up the sequence in which 2,410 of these sites were constructed. Her research has just been published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on February 11.

As it turns out that it all started with single hunter-gatherer culture in an area now known as Brittany, France some 7,000 years ago.

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/9/3460

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Date: 14/07/2019 10:12:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1411130
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

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Date: 14/07/2019 10:13:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1411131
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Interesting, ta. These monuments are sometimes referred to as “Celtic” but they long predate those tribal groupings.

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Date: 14/07/2019 10:16:26
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1411132
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

roughbarked said:



if you didnt fuck around with blocking everything you are paranoid about then maybe you wouldn’t get these notifications. In future don’t bother posting this crap because i don’t give a shit. OK?

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Date: 14/07/2019 10:28:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1411140
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Bogsnorkler said:


roughbarked said:


if you didnt fuck around with blocking everything you are paranoid about then maybe you wouldn’t get these notifications. In future don’t bother posting this crap because i don’t give a shit. OK?

For your information, I don’t. I simply thought it interesting because NoScript doesn’t usually bother me with warnings.

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Date: 14/07/2019 10:44:38
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1411152
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Bogsnorkler said:


roughbarked said:


if you didnt fuck around with blocking everything you are paranoid about then maybe you wouldn’t get these notifications. In future don’t bother posting this crap because i don’t give a shit. OK?

Someone got out of the grumpy side of the bed this morning… :-p

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Date: 14/07/2019 11:30:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1411163
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Carnac stone rows, Brittany.

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Date: 14/07/2019 11:31:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1411164
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Bird’s eye view of Carnac stones.

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Date: 14/07/2019 11:44:38
From: buffy
ID: 1411165
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Got stone circles here in Australia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-12/aboriginal-astronomy-provides-clues-to-ancient-life/7925024

Maybe they are really ancient, they seem to be quite small stones, worn away by time…

(tic)

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Date: 14/07/2019 11:46:10
From: buffy
ID: 1411166
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

And this one is down the road from us.

http://mountelephant.weebly.com/stone-circles.html

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Date: 14/07/2019 11:47:41
From: buffy
ID: 1411167
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

And a more scientific approach, in WA

http://museum.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/5.%20Randolph.pdf

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Date: 14/07/2019 11:49:08
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1411168
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Bubblecar said:


Bird’s eye view of Carnac stones.


Didn’t they appear in 1974 after the town fathers had a meeting about the need to boost tourism and grow the town?

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Date: 14/07/2019 11:52:07
From: buffy
ID: 1411170
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Peak Warming Man said:


Bubblecar said:

Bird’s eye view of Carnac stones.


Didn’t they appear in 1974 after the town fathers had a meeting about the need to boost tourism and grow the town?

You might be thinking of this…

http://esperancestonehenge.com.au/

Just because you thought it was a silly comment to make, doesn’t mean someone hasn’t tried to make money out of the idea…

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Date: 14/07/2019 11:55:53
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1411173
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Bogsnorkler said:


Bogsnorkler said:

https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/megaliths-brittany

The origin of the roughly 35,000 ancient monuments that dot Europe and the British Isles has long been a haunting mystery. From the Ring of Bodnar in the Scottish Orkney Islands to Stonehenge in the English countryside, to the Carnac stones in France, these ancient monuments have fascinated people for as long as they’ve been known.

Remarkably, there’s never been a serious effort made to date all of these structures in order to establish a single credible prehistoric timeline. Now, however, Bettina Schulz Paulsson has done exactly that using radiocarbon dating, lining up the sequence in which 2,410 of these sites were constructed. Her research has just been published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on February 11.

As it turns out that it all started with single hunter-gatherer culture in an area now known as Brittany, France some 7,000 years ago.

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/9/3460

There are stone circles in the Kimberleys of Australia.

“megalithic graves emerged within a brief time interval of 200 y to 300 y in the second half of the fifth millennium calibrated years BC in northwest France, the Mediterranean, and the Atlantic coast of Iberia.”

Starts with graves then
OR
Gravesite megaliths survive intact for the longest.

“These include megalithic tombs, standing stones, stone circles, alignments, and megalithic buildings or temples. Most of these were constructed during the Neolithic and the Copper Ages and are located in coastal areas. Their distribution is along the so-called Atlantic façade, including Sweden, Denmark, North Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, Scotland, England, Wales, Ireland, northwest France, northern Spain, and Portugal, and in the Mediterranean region, including southern and southeastern Spain, southern France, the Islands of Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Malta and the Balearics, Apulia, northern Italy, and Switzerland. Interestingly, they share similar or even identical architectonic features throughout their distribution.”

Interesting. But “architectonic”? They don’t say how many in each category, eg. It makes a big difference if 95% are tombs or if 5% are tombs, annoying.

“For our time horizon, it normally provides precision ranges of 100 y to 300 y with 95% probability.”

Interesting.

“we reviewed critically the 2,410 samples, including measurements from the 1960s up to the present, to determine the quality and reliability of the sample contexts. “

Only extant measurements?

“first megalithic graves in Europe were closed small structures or dolmens built aboveground with stone slabs and covered by a round or long mound of earth or stone. These graves emerge in the second half of the fifth millennium calibrated years (cal) BC within a time interval of 4794 cal BC to 3986 cal BC (95.4%; 4770 cal BC to 4005 cal BC, 68.2%)”.

That’s a big uncertainty, unless they’re mixing together actual time differences with random errors, in which case they shouldn’t.

“There are no radiocarbon dates available from the early megalithic graves in these regions”

Well, measure them then.

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Date: 14/07/2019 11:57:18
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1411175
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Bubblecar said:


Bird’s eye view of Carnac stones.


Oh, racetracks. Even with lane markings.

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Date: 14/07/2019 14:09:03
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1411188
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:


if you didnt fuck around with blocking everything you are paranoid about then maybe you wouldn’t get these notifications. In future don’t bother posting this crap because i don’t give a shit. OK?

Someone got out of the grumpy side of the bed this morning… :-p

I only have one side. :-)

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Date: 14/07/2019 14:18:07
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1411190
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

In regards to the script message, a potential script problem to different to an actual attack.

Let the website know about it.

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Date: 14/07/2019 14:19:57
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1411192
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Ancient megaliths are found in many other places around the world.

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Date: 14/07/2019 15:07:52
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1411202
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

buffy said:


And a more scientific approach, in WA

http://museum.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/5.%20Randolph.pdf

Standing stones are quite common on granite outcrops in mallee areas NE of Esperance, with smaller versions closer to the coast. From observation they appeared to be referring to dominate waterholes or places of importance.

NW of Kalgoorlie I encountered a stone lined pathway weaving around a granite outcrop and at the end was a rounded rock about a metre or so in diameter and split open down the centre with both sides filled with large quartz crystals. It was obviously an important Aboriginal site and probably connected to the Rainbow Serpent.

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Date: 14/07/2019 15:16:14
From: buffy
ID: 1411203
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Have you read any of Lynne Kelly’s work on the stones? It’s a really fascinating idea. I’ve been to one of her lectures and she is pretty convincing. One of those people who you think is a bit whacky, but hey, some of this does actually make sense.

https://www.yourworld.anz.com/global-cultures/lynne-kelly

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Date: 14/07/2019 15:33:43
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1411207
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

buffy said:

Have you read any of Lynne Kelly’s work on the stones? It’s a really fascinating idea. I’ve been to one of her lectures and she is pretty convincing. One of those people who you think is a bit whacky, but hey, some of this does actually make sense.

https://www.yourworld.anz.com/global-cultures/lynne-kelly

Some people are excellent at memorising things (and in different ways too) without aids. For example i used to find it easy to remember a page of notes for a test but i’m useless at songwords.

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Date: 14/07/2019 15:37:19
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1411209
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

buffy said:

Have you read any of Lynne Kelly’s work on the stones? It’s a really fascinating idea. I’ve been to one of her lectures and she is pretty convincing. One of those people who you think is a bit whacky, but hey, some of this does actually make sense.

https://www.yourworld.anz.com/global-cultures/lynne-kelly

I think she is very sensible and what she says is redoubtably true. The Australian Aboriginal used/use many methods to store memory including song-lines. This is where initiation, when knowledge is passed down through the generations and how it can be easily lost with disruption, like the arrival of Europeans.

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Date: 14/07/2019 15:39:51
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1411211
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

redoubtably = undoubtedly

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Date: 14/07/2019 15:40:43
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1411212
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Nobody knows why these stones were arranged. Obviously it was considered important at the time but we have no way of knowing why.

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Date: 14/07/2019 15:59:39
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1411222
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Bubblecar said:


Nobody knows why these stones were arranged. Obviously it was considered important at the time but we have no way of knowing why.

If you say so, it must be true.

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Date: 14/07/2019 17:26:32
From: buffy
ID: 1411283
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

Bubblecar said:


Nobody knows why these stones were arranged. Obviously it was considered important at the time but we have no way of knowing why.

Lynne’s theory is very plausible.

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Date: 14/07/2019 17:44:08
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1411289
Subject: re: Europe's ancient megaliths

buffy said:


Bubblecar said:

Nobody knows why these stones were arranged. Obviously it was considered important at the time but we have no way of knowing why.

Lynne’s theory is very plausible.

Nothing wrong with speculation, but we’ll never know.

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