probably microorganisms I reckon
easy to be persuaded larger or more visible organisms do
perhaps larger organisms have a somewhat tenuous, even parasitic existence on a host of apparently simpler lifeforms
transition said:
probably microorganisms I reckoneasy to be persuaded larger or more visible organisms do
perhaps larger organisms have a somewhat tenuous, even parasitic existence on a host of apparently simpler lifeforms
oligarchs.
Bangers 4/89 after 18. Chasijg Sri Lanka’s 8/314 from 50.0
party_pants said:
Bangers 4/89 after 18. Chasijg Sri Lanka’s 8/314 from 50.0
wrong thread
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
Bangers 4/89 after 18. Chasijg Sri Lanka’s 8/314 from 50.0
wrong thread
No, cricket does rule the world :)
sarahs mum said:
transition said:
probably microorganisms I reckoneasy to be persuaded larger or more visible organisms do
perhaps larger organisms have a somewhat tenuous, even parasitic existence on a host of apparently simpler lifeforms
oligarchs.
sounds like a nice flower that grows in an beautiful place called hegemony
the imagery I get from TV (movies too) seems to involve a lot of guns to heads(if not literally in some other form), it can be flamethrowers, knives, whatever, variously force, so i’m wondering what all that contributes to a motivational theory, between humans, when in the end, when you die and decompose, bacteria will do the job. They are all around, waiting.
so while humans are broadcasting their ideas about power relations amongst their own species, in the end bacteria and other microorganisms do the business, break it down. There’s no end of work for the simpler lifeforms.
There is no global government.
Bubblecar said:
There is no global government.
Let’s hope China doesn’t step in to fill the role.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
There is no global government.
Let’s hope China doesn’t step in to fill the role.
Imagine human extinction
and Chinese robots still making horrible clothing that rubs easily.
Where there are predators, there is also prey, but the prey in one form may also be a predator in other. In other words it is far to complex to say one organism is at the top of the food chain. but in a balanced ecosystem they should cancel out, so all species can tolerate the predation and all predators having sufficient food to survive.
Humans on the other-hand have extracted themselves from the ecosystem complex, being able to destroy or disrupt the equilibrium. Therefore one that largely determines survival of most other species is us, which would make us more the dictator than something that governs for the overall good.
Natural selection rules the World.
Wish Stumpy was here, he always appreciated my Simpsons references.
This is a misapplication of concepts.
dv said:
This is a misapplication of concepts.
What is?
dv said:
This is a misapplication of concepts.
don’t tell anyone, people casually misapply concepts all the time, it’s a trick of consciousness, a problem bacteria don’t have.
Nothing rules the world.
Humans are ruling humans, an ancient tribal behaviour, which should have been discarded during the Renaissance, but wasn’t and is now one of the major reasons humans are heading for possible extinction, others being corporations that exploit the environment, inept governments and overpopulation.
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Tau.Neutrino said:
Nothing rules the world.Humans are ruling humans, an ancient tribal behaviour, which should have been discarded during the Renaissance, but wasn’t and is now one of the major reasons humans are heading for possible extinction, others being corporations that exploit the environment, inept governments and overpopulation.
>Nothing rules the world.
fairly clearly there are some sort of ordering forces, even if wasteful/inefficient, and the outcome of accidents (happened upon).
so i’m loosely pondering systems theory.
want to turn our notions of the structure on their heads, invert them, as a thought experiment
starting with consciousness is an arrogant device, peculiar to humans, at least locally on planet earth, that is known of
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
This is a misapplication of concepts.
What is?
The question “What rules the world?” as applied to biology or ecology.
transition said:
>Nothing rules the world.fairly clearly there are some sort of ordering forces, even if wasteful/inefficient, and the outcome of accidents (happened upon).
so i’m loosely pondering systems theory.
want to turn our notions of the structure on their heads, invert them, as a thought experiment
starting with consciousness is an arrogant device, peculiar to humans, at least locally on planet earth, that is known of
Gravity does have a sense of order which can be felt everywhere
Magnetic fields connect galaxies together
Black holes effect the galaxy
Magnetic fields connect our star to our planet
Our start has a magnetic field
Our stars gravity effects our planet
Our planet has a magnetic field
Our planets gravity effects us
The atmosphere has billions of lightning strikes a year
Billions of lifeforms have electricity in them keeping them alive
Humans have magnetic fields around their brains.
Gravity, electromagnetic force, strong force, weak force and all the other forces in nature combine to form reality.
Three blokes walk into a pub right.
God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost.
And it’s one of those theme pubs, and this one is ‘uncertainty ‘……………..
transition said:
probably microorganisms I reckoneasy to be persuaded larger or more visible organisms do
perhaps larger organisms have a somewhat tenuous, even parasitic existence on a host of apparently simpler lifeforms
Well, you can look at it by number or by biomass.
By number, bacteria rule the world.
By biomass, trees rule the world.
There have been other claims: worms under the North Sea is one i particularly remember reading about for instance, but i don’t rake such claims seriously.
Let’s say trees rule the world. A confirming instance is this quote, paraphrased, “a traveller should always be a botanist, because there are plants visible (almost) everywhere you go.” By comparison, rocks and insects are much less often seen.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>Nothing rules the world.fairly clearly there are some sort of ordering forces, even if wasteful/inefficient, and the outcome of accidents (happened upon).
so i’m loosely pondering systems theory.
want to turn our notions of the structure on their heads, invert them, as a thought experiment
starting with consciousness is an arrogant device, peculiar to humans, at least locally on planet earth, that is known of
Gravity does have a sense of order which can be felt everywhere
Magnetic fields connect galaxies together
Black holes effect the galaxy
Magnetic fields connect our star to our planet
Our start has a magnetic field
Our stars gravity effects our planet
Our planet has a magnetic field
Our planets gravity effects us
The atmosphere has billions of lightning strikes a year
Billions of lifeforms have electricity in them keeping them alive
Humans have magnetic fields around their brains.Gravity, electromagnetic force, strong force, weak force and all the other forces in nature combine to form reality.
Atomic particles also have magnetic fields as do sub atomic particles.
Forces are felt everywhere and everything interacts with everything thing else.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>Nothing rules the world.fairly clearly there are some sort of ordering forces, even if wasteful/inefficient, and the outcome of accidents (happened upon).
so i’m loosely pondering systems theory.
want to turn our notions of the structure on their heads, invert them, as a thought experiment
starting with consciousness is an arrogant device, peculiar to humans, at least locally on planet earth, that is known of
Gravity does have a sense of order which can be felt everywhere
Magnetic fields connect galaxies together
Black holes effect the galaxy
Magnetic fields connect our star to our planet
Our start has a magnetic field
Our stars gravity effects our planet
Our planet has a magnetic field
Our planets gravity effects us
The atmosphere has billions of lightning strikes a year
Billions of lifeforms have electricity in them keeping them alive
Humans have magnetic fields around their brains.Gravity, electromagnetic force, strong force, weak force and all the other forces in nature combine to form reality.
Atomic particles also have magnetic fields as do sub atomic particles.
Forces are felt everywhere and everything interacts with everything thing else.
let’s start with encoding/decoding systems, as seen in DNA etc and living expressions.
so, organic replicators.
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Gravity does have a sense of order which can be felt everywhere
Magnetic fields connect galaxies together
Black holes effect the galaxy
Magnetic fields connect our star to our planet
Our start has a magnetic field
Our stars gravity effects our planet
Our planet has a magnetic field
Our planets gravity effects us
The atmosphere has billions of lightning strikes a year
Billions of lifeforms have electricity in them keeping them alive
Humans have magnetic fields around their brains.Gravity, electromagnetic force, strong force, weak force and all the other forces in nature combine to form reality.
Atomic particles also have magnetic fields as do sub atomic particles.
Forces are felt everywhere and everything interacts with everything thing else.
let’s start with encoding/decoding systems, as seen in DNA etc and living expressions.
so, organic replicators.
or, perhaps better said, biological replicators, the little ones
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
This is a misapplication of concepts.
What is?
The question “What rules the world?” as applied to biology or ecology.
Why do you think it is a misapplication?
Certainly it’s pretty vague, but that’s the point isn’t it?
I think it’s a good question.
transition said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Atomic particles also have magnetic fields as do sub atomic particles.
Forces are felt everywhere and everything interacts with everything thing else.
let’s start with encoding/decoding systems, as seen in DNA etc and living expressions.
so, organic replicators.
or, perhaps better said, biological replicators, the little ones
That’s partly why I said plants. That and the biomass thing.
Plants convert sunlight into biological replicators. We could live without bacteria, without little animalicules, but it would be a pretty hopeless ecosystem without photosynthesis.
mollwollfumble said:
We could live without bacteria, …
nah, don’t think so.
JudgeMental said:
mollwollfumble said:We could live without bacteria, …
nah, don’t think so.
I could live without bacteria. Not so sure about how vital the nitrogen-fixing bacteria such as Rhizobium are.
I think you’ve got to say that plants rule the world.
Although oceans dominate the Earth’s surface, “terrestrial biomass is about two orders of magnitude higher than marine biomass”.
When seen from space, what do you see on Earth? Not bacteria, that’s for sure. What you see first is clouds, so you could say that clouds rule the world. Then the blueness of the atmosphere. After that, oceans and forests and deserts. It’s difficult at first sight to see anything human-made.
mollwollfumble said:
JudgeMental said:
mollwollfumble said:We could live without bacteria, …
nah, don’t think so.
I could live without bacteria. Not so sure about how vital the nitrogen-fixing bacteria such as Rhizobium are.
I think you’ve got to say that plants rule the world.
Although oceans dominate the Earth’s surface, “terrestrial biomass is about two orders of magnitude higher than marine biomass”.
When seen from space, what do you see on Earth? Not bacteria, that’s for sure. What you see first is clouds, so you could say that clouds rule the world. Then the blueness of the atmosphere. After that, oceans and forests and deserts. It’s difficult at first sight to see anything human-made.
Tamb said:
mollwollfumble said:
JudgeMental said:nah, don’t think so.
I could live without bacteria. Not so sure about how vital the nitrogen-fixing bacteria such as Rhizobium are.
I think you’ve got to say that plants rule the world.
Although oceans dominate the Earth’s surface, “terrestrial biomass is about two orders of magnitude higher than marine biomass”.
When seen from space, what do you see on Earth? Not bacteria, that’s for sure. What you see first is clouds, so you could say that clouds rule the world. Then the blueness of the atmosphere. After that, oceans and forests and deserts. It’s difficult at first sight to see anything human-made.
Oxygen?
Good contender.
