Date: 28/07/2019 06:37:20
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416033
Subject: A computer system that knows how you feel

A computer system that knows how you feel

Could a computer, at a glance, tell the difference between a joyful image and a depressing one? Could it distinguish, in a few milliseconds, a romantic comedy from a horror film?

Yes, and so can your brain, according to research published this week by CU Boulder neuroscientists.

more…

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Date: 28/07/2019 12:44:26
From: transition
ID: 1416081
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

I watched (some of) something the other day, it was was horrendous, happened to be going in the same room and someone else watching it.

involved seriously explicit torture, I turned away mostly at that point, but some damage was done

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Date: 28/07/2019 12:49:45
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1416089
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tau.Neutrino said:


A computer system that knows how you feel

Could a computer, at a glance, tell the difference between a joyful image and a depressing one? Could it distinguish, in a few milliseconds, a romantic comedy from a horror film?

Yes, and so can your brain, according to research published this week by CU Boulder neuroscientists.

more…

The computer’s recognition of emotions is the same way that a psychopath recognises emotions. A computer doesn’t have empathy.

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Date: 28/07/2019 12:56:10
From: transition
ID: 1416098
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

mollwollfumble said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

A computer system that knows how you feel

Could a computer, at a glance, tell the difference between a joyful image and a depressing one? Could it distinguish, in a few milliseconds, a romantic comedy from a horror film?

Yes, and so can your brain, according to research published this week by CU Boulder neuroscientists.

more…

The computer’s recognition of emotions is the same way that a psychopath recognises emotions. A computer doesn’t have empathy.

I think internal mental states are a fleshy thing, of wetware (part of the experience of a fleshy body-vehicle, presently).

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Date: 29/07/2019 11:02:38
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416454
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

mollwollfumble said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

A computer system that knows how you feel

Could a computer, at a glance, tell the difference between a joyful image and a depressing one? Could it distinguish, in a few milliseconds, a romantic comedy from a horror film?

Yes, and so can your brain, according to research published this week by CU Boulder neuroscientists.

more…

The computer’s recognition of emotions is the same way that a psychopath recognises emotions. A computer doesn’t have empathy.

I cannot see any reason why computers could not be programmed with empathy.

Some psychopaths and sociopaths have problems with empathy.

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Date: 29/07/2019 11:08:28
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416458
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tau.Neutrino said:


mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

A computer system that knows how you feel

Could a computer, at a glance, tell the difference between a joyful image and a depressing one? Could it distinguish, in a few milliseconds, a romantic comedy from a horror film?

Yes, and so can your brain, according to research published this week by CU Boulder neuroscientists.

more…

The computer’s recognition of emotions is the same way that a psychopath recognises emotions. A computer doesn’t have empathy.

I cannot see any reason why computers could not be programmed with empathy.

Some psychopaths and sociopaths have problems with empathy.

and understanding why some psychopaths and sociopaths have problems with empathy.will help computer AI to understand it.

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Date: 29/07/2019 11:19:58
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416464
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Profile of the Sociopath from https://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love

Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

Other Related Qualities:

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim’s life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim’s affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)

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Date: 29/07/2019 11:40:57
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416465
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Psychopaths

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/communication-success/201810/7-characterisitics-the-modern-psychopath

There is some overlap between sociopaths and psychopaths

USA 1 percent identified as psychopaths
USA 4 percent identified as sociopaths

Both types come in a package

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Date: 29/07/2019 11:44:18
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416467
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Some articles on AI and empathy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_empathy

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/609071/we-need-computers-with-empathy/

https://www.informationweek.com/big-data/ai-machine-learning/ai-challenge-achieving-artificial-empathy/a/d-id/1331628

https://towardsdatascience.com/empathy-in-artificial-intelligence-eb167f62af99

https://business.linkedin.com/en-uk/marketing-solutions/blog/posts/content-marketing/2018/Can-a-machine-have-empathy

https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/ywe33m/this-woman-believes-ai-can-be-taught-empathy

http://xbrlsite.azurewebsites.net/2018/Library/ComputerEmpathy.pdf

https://deepempathy.mit.edu/

https://www.thestrategygroup.com.au/ai-empathy/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1064449/artificial-intelligence-ai-news-latest-technology

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Date: 29/07/2019 11:45:54
From: Arts
ID: 1416469
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tau.Neutrino said:


Psychopaths

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/communication-success/201810/7-characterisitics-the-modern-psychopath

There is some overlap between sociopaths and psychopaths

USA 1 percent identified as psychopaths
USA 4 percent identified as sociopaths

Both types come in a package

my crim behaviour lecturer says that we (Australia) don’t recognise sociopathy as a ‘condition’..

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Date: 29/07/2019 11:59:53
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416472
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Arts said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Psychopaths

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/communication-success/201810/7-characterisitics-the-modern-psychopath

There is some overlap between sociopaths and psychopaths

USA 1 percent identified as psychopaths
USA 4 percent identified as sociopaths

Both types come in a package

my crim behaviour lecturer says that we (Australia) don’t recognise sociopathy as a ‘condition’..

Which is interesting because the behaviour does exist

Doctors call it antisocial personality disorder

There appears to be a lot of misunderstanding / poor observation about the condition.

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:02:48
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416473
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

I can tell people that sociopaths are real.

I have one living right next door.

Its an observable condition.

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:10:26
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416475
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Maybe State and Federal Governments do not want to recognise the condition to save money, paying psychologists appearing in court?

Dunno, must be some reason.

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:16:34
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416477
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Emotions don’t really get much attention in courts, which is interesting in that a lot of crime is emotionally driven.

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:18:34
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416478
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Artificial empathy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_empathy

Artificial empathy (AE) is the development of AI systems − such as companion robots − that are able to detect and respond to human emotions. According to scientists, although the technology can be perceived as scary or threatening by many people, it could also have a significant advantage over humans in professions which are traditionally involved in emotional role-playing such as the health care sector. From the care-giver perspective for instance, performing emotional labor above and beyond the requirements of paid labor often results in chronic stress or burnout, and the development of a feeling of being desensitized to patients. However, it is argued that the emotional role-playing between the care-receiver and a robot can actually have a more positive outcome in terms of creating the conditions of less fear and concern for one’s own predicament best exemplified by the phrase: “if it is just a robot taking care of me it cannot be that critical.” Scholars debate the possible outcome of such technology using two different perspectives. Either, the AE could help the socialization of care-givers, or serve as role model for emotional detachment.

Areas of research
Main articles: Philosophy of artificial intelligence and Ethics of artificial intelligence

There are a variety of philosophical, theoretical, and applicative questions related to AE. For example:

Which conditions would have to be met for a robot to respond competently to a human emotion? What models of empathy can or should be applied to Social and Assistive Robotics? Does the interaction of humans with robots have to imitate affective interaction between humans? Can a robot help science learn about affective development of humans? Would robots create unforeseen categories of inauthentic relations? What relations with robots can be considered truly authentic?

Artificial Empathy and Human Services

Although AI has not been shown to replace social workers themselves yet, the technology has begun making waves in the field. Social Work Today published an article describing research performed at Florida State University. The research involved the use of computer algorithms to analyze health records and detect combinations of risk factors that could indicate a future suicide attempt. The article reports, “machine learning—a future frontier for artificial intelligence—can predict with 80% to 90% accuracy whether someone will attempt suicide as far off as two years into the future. The algorithms become even more accurate as a person’s suicide attempt gets closer. For example, the accuracy climbs to 92% one week before a suicide attempt when artificial intelligence focuses on general hospital patients” (2017). At this point in time, artificial intelligence has not been able to replace social workers completely, but algorithmic machines such as those described above can have incredible benefits to social workers. Social work operates on a cycle of engagement, assessment, intervention, and evaluation with clients. This technology can make the assessment for risk of suicide can lead to earlier interventions and prevention, therefore saving lives. It is the hope of these researchers that the technology will be implemented in our modern healthcare system. The system would learn, analyze, and detect risk factors, alerting the clinician of a patient’s suicide risk score (equivalent to a patient’s cardiovascular risk score). At this point, social workers could step in for further assessment and preventative intervention.

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:28:23
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416480
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Philosophical, theoretical, and applicative questions related to Artificial Empathy. For example

Which conditions would have to be met for a robot to respond competently to a human emotion?

What models of empathy can or should be applied to Social and Assistive Robotics?

Does the interaction of humans with robots have to imitate affective interaction between humans?

Can a robot help science learn about affective development of humans?

Would robots create unforeseen categories of inauthentic relations?

What relations with robots can be considered truly authentic?

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:31:35
From: Cymek
ID: 1416481
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Sir you are feeling horny and excited going by your browser history.
I have ordered more tissues and hand lotion

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:33:39
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416483
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Cymek said:


Sir you are feeling horny and excited going by your browser history.
I have ordered more tissues and hand lotion

> Sex parlour robots

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:36:01
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416485
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tau.Neutrino said:


Cymek said:

Sir you are feeling horny and excited going by your browser history.
I have ordered more tissues and hand lotion

> Sex parlour robots

Which will become the next big thing in the sex industry

AI for sex robots

and sex AI for virtual environments

:)

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:40:52
From: transition
ID: 1416491
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

transition said:


I watched (some of) something the other day, it was horrendous, happened to be going in the same room and someone else watching it.

involved seriously explicit torture, I turned away mostly at that point, but some damage was done

>Could it distinguish, in a few milliseconds, a romantic comedy from a horror film?

more interesting, could the computer consider what motivates producers etc that come up with some of the shit.

moving on, neutrino, bright chap you are, I ask what is tiredness (and fatigue) for?

you elevate and glorify technology, enthusiastically, rattle on about emotions all the time, are human and presumably surpass AI on the subject, so educate me regard the purpose of something like fatigue, the mental state, or mental states associated.

your genius AI, you know like how’s the fucken thing going to understand emotions if it doesn’t understand tiredness, and fatigue.

and why is it that everything that is faster is better. Recognizing things in milliseconds, for example, mentioned in the OP.

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:48:10
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416497
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

transition said:


transition said:

I watched (some of) something the other day, it was horrendous, happened to be going in the same room and someone else watching it.

involved seriously explicit torture, I turned away mostly at that point, but some damage was done

>Could it distinguish, in a few milliseconds, a romantic comedy from a horror film?

more interesting, could the computer consider what motivates producers etc that come up with some of the shit.

moving on, neutrino, bright chap you are, I ask what is tiredness (and fatigue) for?

you elevate and glorify technology, enthusiastically, rattle on about emotions all the time, are human and presumably surpass AI on the subject, so educate me regard the purpose of something like fatigue, the mental state, or mental states associated.

your genius AI, you know like how’s the fucken thing going to understand emotions if it doesn’t understand tiredness, and fatigue.

and why is it that everything that is faster is better. Recognizing things in milliseconds, for example, mentioned in the OP.

Some modern cars have sleep, tiredness fatigue awareness systems to alert the driver when he or she is becoming fatigued.

Would you have that fuckin thing turned off or leave it on?

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:51:07
From: transition
ID: 1416499
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tau.Neutrino said:


transition said:

transition said:

I watched (some of) something the other day, it was horrendous, happened to be going in the same room and someone else watching it.

involved seriously explicit torture, I turned away mostly at that point, but some damage was done

>Could it distinguish, in a few milliseconds, a romantic comedy from a horror film?

more interesting, could the computer consider what motivates producers etc that come up with some of the shit.

moving on, neutrino, bright chap you are, I ask what is tiredness (and fatigue) for?

you elevate and glorify technology, enthusiastically, rattle on about emotions all the time, are human and presumably surpass AI on the subject, so educate me regard the purpose of something like fatigue, the mental state, or mental states associated.

your genius AI, you know like how’s the fucken thing going to understand emotions if it doesn’t understand tiredness, and fatigue.

and why is it that everything that is faster is better. Recognizing things in milliseconds, for example, mentioned in the OP.

Some modern cars have sleep, tiredness fatigue awareness systems to alert the driver when he or she is becoming fatigued.

Would you have that fuckin thing turned off or leave it on?

yea but that brings you no closer to understanding the purpose of tiredness etc

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:55:00
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1416500
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tau.Neutrino said:

Some modern cars have sleep, tiredness fatigue awareness systems to alert the driver when he or she is becoming fatigued.

Would you have that fuckin thing turned off or leave it on?

LOL, definitely off.

I’d like to have the car ahead of me display a “driver rating” on a scale of 0 to 10 on the back.

Taking into account all the things that make a bad driver – disability, recklessness, inattention etc.

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:55:45
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416501
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

transition said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

>Could it distinguish, in a few milliseconds, a romantic comedy from a horror film?

more interesting, could the computer consider what motivates producers etc that come up with some of the shit.

moving on, neutrino, bright chap you are, I ask what is tiredness (and fatigue) for?

you elevate and glorify technology, enthusiastically, rattle on about emotions all the time, are human and presumably surpass AI on the subject, so educate me regard the purpose of something like fatigue, the mental state, or mental states associated.

your genius AI, you know like how’s the fucken thing going to understand emotions if it doesn’t understand tiredness, and fatigue.

and why is it that everything that is faster is better. Recognizing things in milliseconds, for example, mentioned in the OP.

Some modern cars have sleep, tiredness fatigue awareness systems to alert the driver when he or she is becoming fatigued.

Would you have that fuckin thing turned off or leave it on?

yea but that brings you no closer to understanding the purpose of tiredness etc

Sleep awake cycles exist in living things to rejuvenate both mind and body.

Robots will not need that.

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Date: 29/07/2019 12:57:37
From: transition
ID: 1416503
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tau.Neutrino said:


transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Some modern cars have sleep, tiredness fatigue awareness systems to alert the driver when he or she is becoming fatigued.

Would you have that fuckin thing turned off or leave it on?

yea but that brings you no closer to understanding the purpose of tiredness etc

Sleep awake cycles exist in living things to rejuvenate both mind and body.

Robots will not need that.

it’s that sort of enthusiastic bullshit that bothers me

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:00:48
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416504
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

transition said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

yea but that brings you no closer to understanding the purpose of tiredness etc

Sleep awake cycles exist in living things to rejuvenate both mind and body.

Robots will not need that.

it’s that sort of enthusiastic bullshit that bothers me

Why?

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:03:55
From: transition
ID: 1416505
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tau.Neutrino said:


transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Sleep awake cycles exist in living things to rejuvenate both mind and body.

Robots will not need that.

it’s that sort of enthusiastic bullshit that bothers me

Why?

consider you idealize things that don’t tire

unrestrained, notions like that might wander, come close to indifference

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:06:29
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416507
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

transition said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

it’s that sort of enthusiastic bullshit that bothers me

Why?

consider you idealize things that don’t tire

unrestrained, notions like that might wander, come close to indifference

Would you prefer that I emotionally connect with a robot?

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:06:56
From: dv
ID: 1416508
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

But would it truly care?

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:07:35
From: Arts
ID: 1416509
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tau.Neutrino said:


Emotions don’t really get much attention in courts, which is interesting in that a lot of crime is emotionally driven.

The law is reason free from passion.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:08:17
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416510
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

dv said:


But would it truly care?

With enough information, yes.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:10:20
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416511
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Arts said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Emotions don’t really get much attention in courts, which is interesting in that a lot of crime is emotionally driven.

The law is reason free from passion.

Humans are chemical bodies on a chemical world, the law isn’t chemical.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:10:32
From: dv
ID: 1416512
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Arts said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Emotions don’t really get much attention in courts, which is interesting in that a lot of crime is emotionally driven.

The law is reason free from passion.

The last thing you want is a jury making a call based on their impressions of the emotions of the defendant or the accused.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:11:24
From: Tamb
ID: 1416513
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

dv said:


Arts said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Emotions don’t really get much attention in courts, which is interesting in that a lot of crime is emotionally driven.

The law is reason free from passion.

The last thing you want is a jury making a call based on their impressions of the emotions of the defendant or the accused.


But they do consider remorse.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:15:57
From: dv
ID: 1416518
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tamb said:


dv said:

Arts said:

The law is reason free from passion.

The last thing you want is a jury making a call based on their impressions of the emotions of the defendant or the accused.


But they do consider remorse.

They 100% should not.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:16:49
From: transition
ID: 1416519
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tau.Neutrino said:


transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why?

consider you idealize things that don’t tire

unrestrained, notions like that might wander, come close to indifference

Would you prefer that I emotionally connect with a robot?

so much is governed (informally, internally) by what individuals tire of

end of the day

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:16:53
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416520
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

dv said:


Arts said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Emotions don’t really get much attention in courts, which is interesting in that a lot of crime is emotionally driven.

The law is reason free from passion.

The last thing you want is a jury making a call based on their impressions of the emotions of the defendant or the accused.

The next thing you dont want is jurors getting emotional.

and the victims should be encouraged not to get emotional as well.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:17:10
From: Arts
ID: 1416521
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

dv said:


Arts said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Emotions don’t really get much attention in courts, which is interesting in that a lot of crime is emotionally driven.

The law is reason free from passion.

The last thing you want is a jury making a call based on their impressions of the emotions of the defendant or the accused.

exactly.. however impressions do matter, legal reps dress up or down their clients depending on impressions they give, media attention and/or psychological impact.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:17:15
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1416522
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

dv said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

The last thing you want is a jury making a call based on their impressions of the emotions of the defendant or the accused.


But they do consider remorse.

They 100% should not.

It’s the judge that considers remorse. The jury is only concerned with guilt or innocence.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:18:47
From: Arts
ID: 1416525
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

dv said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

The last thing you want is a jury making a call based on their impressions of the emotions of the defendant or the accused.


But they do consider remorse.

They 100% should not.

the judge considers remorse for sentencing, but it’s hardly a major influencing factor

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:20:05
From: Tamb
ID: 1416528
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Tamb said:

But they do consider remorse.

They 100% should not.

It’s the judge that considers remorse. The jury is only concerned with guilt or innocence.


Council remark on its presence or absence in a bid to influence the judge. (Or the media)

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:22:52
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416529
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Would putting up “Stop getting emotional” signs help?

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:23:01
From: transition
ID: 1416530
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tamb said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

They 100% should not.

It’s the judge that considers remorse. The jury is only concerned with guilt or innocence.


Council remark on its presence or absence in a bid to influence the judge. (Or the media)

exhibited remorse also signals subordination to the legal apparatus, and broader audience, or respect possibly

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:25:06
From: Arts
ID: 1416531
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

to be clear, if someone exhibits remorse, they are admitting to guilt.. if they admit to guilt then they don’t actually have a jury trial, it’s just sentencing.. then the judge takes the exhibit into account during sentencing…

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:25:41
From: transition
ID: 1416532
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

transition said:


Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s the judge that considers remorse. The jury is only concerned with guilt or innocence.


Council remark on its presence or absence in a bid to influence the judge. (Or the media)

exhibited remorse also signals subordination to the legal apparatus, and broader audience, or respect possibly

or acceptance of being subject

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:25:50
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416533
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

transition said:


Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s the judge that considers remorse. The jury is only concerned with guilt or innocence.


Council remark on its presence or absence in a bid to influence the judge. (Or the media)

exhibited remorse also signals subordination to the legal apparatus, and broader audience, or respect possibly

Remorse goes well in the prison system.

Helps trust too I guess.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:26:15
From: Tamb
ID: 1416534
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tau.Neutrino said:


Would putting up “Stop getting emotional” signs help?

No. People would get angry with them.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:28:29
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416536
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Prison systems could use AI to help reduce violence and riots etc.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:34:07
From: transition
ID: 1416538
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tau.Neutrino said:


transition said:

Tamb said:

Council remark on its presence or absence in a bid to influence the judge. (Or the media)

exhibited remorse also signals subordination to the legal apparatus, and broader audience, or respect possibly

Remorse goes well in the prison system.

Helps trust too I guess.

of course remorse might be complicated by anticipated broader adverse attention (being subject to overdetermining social forces for example), not to mention the change to your life, you could get constipated, not sleep properly, wonder what others think, a total obliteration of normal, then a judge etc can distinguish that, through some genius unknown to humans, distinguish it, isolate it from the effects of the original event.

I don’t fucken think so. Nine-tenths bullshit.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:35:42
From: Tamb
ID: 1416539
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

transition said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

exhibited remorse also signals subordination to the legal apparatus, and broader audience, or respect possibly

Remorse goes well in the prison system.

Helps trust too I guess.

of course remorse might be complicated by anticipated broader adverse attention (being subject to overdetermining social forces for example), not to mention the change to your life, you could get constipated, not sleep properly, wonder what others think, a total obliteration of normal, then a judge etc can distinguish that, through some genius unknown to humans, distinguish it, isolate it from the effects of the original event.

I don’t fucken think so. Nine-tenths bullshit.


Often the same can be said for remorse.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:37:11
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416540
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

transition said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

exhibited remorse also signals subordination to the legal apparatus, and broader audience, or respect possibly

Remorse goes well in the prison system.

Helps trust too I guess.

of course remorse might be complicated by anticipated broader adverse attention (being subject to overdetermining social forces for example), not to mention the change to your life, you could get constipated, not sleep properly, wonder what others think, a total obliteration of normal, then a judge etc can distinguish that, through some genius unknown to humans, distinguish it, isolate it from the effects of the original event.

I don’t fucken think so. Nine-tenths bullshit.

Wonders how many inmates have constipation and insomnia?

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:39:16
From: Tamb
ID: 1416541
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tau.Neutrino said:


transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Remorse goes well in the prison system.

Helps trust too I guess.

of course remorse might be complicated by anticipated broader adverse attention (being subject to overdetermining social forces for example), not to mention the change to your life, you could get constipated, not sleep properly, wonder what others think, a total obliteration of normal, then a judge etc can distinguish that, through some genius unknown to humans, distinguish it, isolate it from the effects of the original event.

I don’t fucken think so. Nine-tenths bullshit.

Wonders how many inmates have constipation and insomnia?


The ones with insomnia have constipation (and hope to keep it that way)

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:39:56
From: transition
ID: 1416542
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tamb said:


transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Remorse goes well in the prison system.

Helps trust too I guess.

of course remorse might be complicated by anticipated broader adverse attention (being subject to overdetermining social forces for example), not to mention the change to your life, you could get constipated, not sleep properly, wonder what others think, a total obliteration of normal, then a judge etc can distinguish that, through some genius unknown to humans, distinguish it, isolate it from the effects of the original event.

I don’t fucken think so. Nine-tenths bullshit.


Often the same can be said for remorse.

you and I have never feigned contrition, expediently, and never been moved by situational forces to being especially convincing, as if our life (and liberties) depended on it, depended on the performance

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:39:57
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416543
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Tamb said:


transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Remorse goes well in the prison system.

Helps trust too I guess.

of course remorse might be complicated by anticipated broader adverse attention (being subject to overdetermining social forces for example), not to mention the change to your life, you could get constipated, not sleep properly, wonder what others think, a total obliteration of normal, then a judge etc can distinguish that, through some genius unknown to humans, distinguish it, isolate it from the effects of the original event.

I don’t fucken think so. Nine-tenths bullshit.


Often the same can be said for remorse.

Probably some that say they are remorseful but are not genuine.

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Date: 29/07/2019 13:42:38
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416544
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

Wonders if a court computer system will stop a judge from calling an early lunch.?

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Date: 29/07/2019 14:45:12
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1416576
Subject: re: A computer system that knows how you feel

One aspect of sociopath identity is that you need people with deep empathy or people trained to pickup all those behaviours and traits to discover them.

Sociopaths are rare 4 % of the population and they try to mask themselves so that their behaviours are not readily seen.

Some more reasons why the condition is not being so readily accepted.

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