Date: 5/08/2019 02:16:33
From: dv
ID: 1418949
Subject: William Dampier's words

William Dampier is probably mostly famous in Australia for the fact that he led the first British exploration of the Australian mainland. The Australian coasts he charted had already been mapped by Dutch explorers but his party did make valuable discoveries. He circumnavigated the globe three times, visiting much of Asia and the Americas. He led a varied life as a seaman in the Royal navy, a pirate, a contracted privateer and navigator.

What you might not know is that he played a significant role in bringing new words into the English language.

The Oxford English dictionary credits Dampier with the first English use of 81 words, including avocado, chopsticks, barbecue, and tortilla. He additionally is cited by the OED as the first to use speaking meanings of 268 previously existing words. All up the OED quotes him over 1100 times. One work alone, A New Voyage Around The World, is cited 677 times.

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Date: 5/08/2019 03:10:33
From: Ian
ID: 1418954
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

A pirate with a lexicographical bent.

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Date: 5/08/2019 06:10:34
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1418962
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

dv said:


William Dampier is probably mostly famous in Australia for the fact that he led the first British exploration of the Australian mainland. The Australian coasts he charted had already been mapped by Dutch explorers but his party did make valuable discoveries. He circumnavigated the globe three times, visiting much of Asia and the Americas. He led a varied life as a seaman in the Royal navy, a pirate, a contracted privateer and navigator.

What you might not know is that he played a significant role in bringing new words into the English language.

The Oxford English dictionary credits Dampier with the first English use of 81 words, including avocado, chopsticks, barbecue, and tortilla. He additionally is cited by the OED as the first to use speaking meanings of 268 previously existing words. All up the OED quotes him over 1100 times. One work alone, A New Voyage Around The World, is cited 677 times.

Three times. Didn’t know that. Third Englishman to visit Australia, but much more significant than the first two, Keeling and ?Brooke?

> One work alone, A New Voyage Around The World, is cited 677 times.

I must read it. That’s the first circumnavigation isn’t it. Not in Gutenberg. But his second book is there, in two parts. “A voyage to New Holland”.
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15675
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15685

It begins. “Wherein are described, The Canary Islands, the Isles of Mayo and St. Jago. The Bay of All-Saints, with the forts and town of Bahia in Brazil. Cape Salvador. The winds on the Brazilian coast. Abrolho Shoals. A table of all the variations observed in this voyage. Occurrences near the Cape of Good Hope. The course to New Holland. Shark’s Bay. The isles and coast, etc. of New Holland. Their inhabitants, manners, customs, trade, etc. Their harbours, soil, beasts, birds, fish, etc. Trees, plants, fruits, etc.”

Some random quotes from part 1.

“Of the country about Bahia, its soil and product. Its timber-trees; the sapiera, vermiatico, commesserie, guitteba, serrie, and mangroves. The bastard-coco, its nuts and cables; and the silk-cotton-trees. The Brazilian fruits, oranges, etc. Of the soursops, cashews and jennipahs.
Of their peculiar fruits, arisahs, mericasahs, petangos, petumbos, mungaroos, muckishaws, ingwas, otees, and musteran-de-ovas. Of the palmberries, physick-nuts, mendibees, etc. and their roots and herbs, etc. Of their wildfowl, macaws, parrots, etc. The yemma, carrion-crow and chattering-crow, bill-bird, curreso, turtledove and wild pigeons; the jenetee, clocking-hen, crab-catcher, galden, and black heron: the ducks, widgeon and teal; and ostriches to the southward, and of the dunghill-fowls. Of their cattle, horses, etc. Leopards and tigers. Of their serpents; the rattlesnake, small green snake. Amphisbaena, small black and small grey snake; the great land-, and the great watersnake; and of the water-dog. Of their sea-fish and turtle;

Jennipah never made it into English. Ditto arisah, mericasah, petango, petumbo, mungaroo, muckishaw, etc.

Amphisbaena.

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Date: 5/08/2019 08:49:39
From: Rule 303
ID: 1418974
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

And I bet he never started sentences with “So…”

;-)

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Date: 5/08/2019 08:59:05
From: Tamb
ID: 1418975
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

Rule 303 said:


And I bet he never started sentences with “So…”

;-)


Possibly with Prithee.

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Date: 5/08/2019 08:59:51
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1418976
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

mollwollfumble said:


dv said:

William Dampier is probably mostly famous in Australia for the fact that he led the first British exploration of the Australian mainland. The Australian coasts he charted had already been mapped by Dutch explorers but his party did make valuable discoveries. He circumnavigated the globe three times, visiting much of Asia and the Americas. He led a varied life as a seaman in the Royal navy, a pirate, a contracted privateer and navigator.

What you might not know is that he played a significant role in bringing new words into the English language.

The Oxford English dictionary credits Dampier with the first English use of 81 words, including avocado, chopsticks, barbecue, and tortilla. He additionally is cited by the OED as the first to use speaking meanings of 268 previously existing words. All up the OED quotes him over 1100 times. One work alone, A New Voyage Around The World, is cited 677 times.

Three times. Didn’t know that. Third Englishman to visit Australia, but much more significant than the first two, Keeling and ?Brooke?

> One work alone, A New Voyage Around The World, is cited 677 times.

I must read it. That’s the first circumnavigation isn’t it. Not in Gutenberg. But his second book is there, in two parts. “A voyage to New Holland”.
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15675
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15685

It begins. “Wherein are described, The Canary Islands, the Isles of Mayo and St. Jago. The Bay of All-Saints, with the forts and town of Bahia in Brazil. Cape Salvador. The winds on the Brazilian coast. Abrolho Shoals. A table of all the variations observed in this voyage. Occurrences near the Cape of Good Hope. The course to New Holland. Shark’s Bay. The isles and coast, etc. of New Holland. Their inhabitants, manners, customs, trade, etc. Their harbours, soil, beasts, birds, fish, etc. Trees, plants, fruits, etc.”

Some random quotes from part 1.

“Of the country about Bahia, its soil and product. Its timber-trees; the sapiera, vermiatico, commesserie, guitteba, serrie, and mangroves. The bastard-coco, its nuts and cables; and the silk-cotton-trees. The Brazilian fruits, oranges, etc. Of the soursops, cashews and jennipahs.
Of their peculiar fruits, arisahs, mericasahs, petangos, petumbos, mungaroos, muckishaws, ingwas, otees, and musteran-de-ovas. Of the palmberries, physick-nuts, mendibees, etc. and their roots and herbs, etc. Of their wildfowl, macaws, parrots, etc. The yemma, carrion-crow and chattering-crow, bill-bird, curreso, turtledove and wild pigeons; the jenetee, clocking-hen, crab-catcher, galden, and black heron: the ducks, widgeon and teal; and ostriches to the southward, and of the dunghill-fowls. Of their cattle, horses, etc. Leopards and tigers. Of their serpents; the rattlesnake, small green snake. Amphisbaena, small black and small grey snake; the great land-, and the great watersnake; and of the water-dog. Of their sea-fish and turtle;

Jennipah never made it into English. Ditto arisah, mericasah, petango, petumbo, mungaroo, muckishaw, etc.

Amphisbaena.

I don’t see many new words in part 1 of Dampier voyage to Terra Australis.

For instance the kangaroos he encounters on mainland Australia he calls “raccoons with shorter front legs.” The gila monster he encounters here he calls “iguana”.

Words “noddy”, “old wife”, “skipjack” strike me as possibly new.

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Date: 5/08/2019 09:05:26
From: Tamb
ID: 1418980
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

mollwollfumble said:


mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

William Dampier is probably mostly famous in Australia for the fact that he led the first British exploration of the Australian mainland. The Australian coasts he charted had already been mapped by Dutch explorers but his party did make valuable discoveries. He circumnavigated the globe three times, visiting much of Asia and the Americas. He led a varied life as a seaman in the Royal navy, a pirate, a contracted privateer and navigator.

What you might not know is that he played a significant role in bringing new words into the English language.

The Oxford English dictionary credits Dampier with the first English use of 81 words, including avocado, chopsticks, barbecue, and tortilla. He additionally is cited by the OED as the first to use speaking meanings of 268 previously existing words. All up the OED quotes him over 1100 times. One work alone, A New Voyage Around The World, is cited 677 times.

Three times. Didn’t know that. Third Englishman to visit Australia, but much more significant than the first two, Keeling and ?Brooke?

> One work alone, A New Voyage Around The World, is cited 677 times.

I must read it. That’s the first circumnavigation isn’t it. Not in Gutenberg. But his second book is there, in two parts. “A voyage to New Holland”.
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15675
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15685

It begins. “Wherein are described, The Canary Islands, the Isles of Mayo and St. Jago. The Bay of All-Saints, with the forts and town of Bahia in Brazil. Cape Salvador. The winds on the Brazilian coast. Abrolho Shoals. A table of all the variations observed in this voyage. Occurrences near the Cape of Good Hope. The course to New Holland. Shark’s Bay. The isles and coast, etc. of New Holland. Their inhabitants, manners, customs, trade, etc. Their harbours, soil, beasts, birds, fish, etc. Trees, plants, fruits, etc.”

Some random quotes from part 1.

“Of the country about Bahia, its soil and product. Its timber-trees; the sapiera, vermiatico, commesserie, guitteba, serrie, and mangroves. The bastard-coco, its nuts and cables; and the silk-cotton-trees. The Brazilian fruits, oranges, etc. Of the soursops, cashews and jennipahs.
Of their peculiar fruits, arisahs, mericasahs, petangos, petumbos, mungaroos, muckishaws, ingwas, otees, and musteran-de-ovas. Of the palmberries, physick-nuts, mendibees, etc. and their roots and herbs, etc. Of their wildfowl, macaws, parrots, etc. The yemma, carrion-crow and chattering-crow, bill-bird, curreso, turtledove and wild pigeons; the jenetee, clocking-hen, crab-catcher, galden, and black heron: the ducks, widgeon and teal; and ostriches to the southward, and of the dunghill-fowls. Of their cattle, horses, etc. Leopards and tigers. Of their serpents; the rattlesnake, small green snake. Amphisbaena, small black and small grey snake; the great land-, and the great watersnake; and of the water-dog. Of their sea-fish and turtle;

Jennipah never made it into English. Ditto arisah, mericasah, petango, petumbo, mungaroo, muckishaw, etc.

Amphisbaena.

I don’t see many new words in part 1 of Dampier voyage to Terra Australis.

For instance the kangaroos he encounters on mainland Australia he calls “raccoons with shorter front legs.” The gila monster he encounters here he calls “iguana”.

Words “noddy”, “old wife”, “skipjack” strike me as possibly new.

Noddy meaning a bit stupid in an old word.

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Date: 5/08/2019 09:14:16
From: dv
ID: 1418988
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

mollwollfumble said:


dv said:

William Dampier is probably mostly famous in Australia for the fact that he led the first British exploration of the Australian mainland.

Three times. Didn’t know that. Third Englishman to visit Australia, but much more significant than the first two, Keeling and ?Brooke?

Keeling reached the Keeling islands. Who is Brooke??

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Date: 5/08/2019 09:42:34
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1418995
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

dv said:


mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

William Dampier is probably mostly famous in Australia for the fact that he led the first British exploration of the Australian mainland.

Three times. Didn’t know that. Third Englishman to visit Australia, but much more significant than the first two, Keeling and ?Brooke?

Keeling reached the Keeling islands. Who is Brooke??

I probably have the wrong name. I’ll check.

Nope, right name.

John Brooke, wrecked in WA in 1622, was the Englishman who convinced the English admiralty to ban taking the Dutch fast southern route to the East Indies across the Indian Ocean. From then on, the English only crept up to the East Indies via the slower route past India. If I remember correctly, he was an English sea captain but at the time was a passenger onboard a dutch ship. He didn’t particularly enjoy getting wrecked.

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Date: 5/08/2019 09:44:07
From: dv
ID: 1418996
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

mollwollfumble said:


dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

Three times. Didn’t know that. Third Englishman to visit Australia, but much more significant than the first two, Keeling and ?Brooke?

Keeling reached the Keeling islands. Who is Brooke??

I probably have the wrong name. I’ll check.

Nope, right name.

John Brooke, wrecked in WA in 1622, was the Englishman who convinced the English admiralty to ban taking the Dutch fast southern route to the East Indies across the Indian Ocean. From then on, the English only crept up to the East Indies via the slower route past India. If I remember correctly, he was an English sea captain but at the time was a passenger onboard a dutch ship. He didn’t particularly enjoy getting wrecked.

Thanks, that’s my learning for today

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Date: 5/08/2019 09:45:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 1418999
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

dv said:


mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

Keeling reached the Keeling islands. Who is Brooke??

I probably have the wrong name. I’ll check.

Nope, right name.

John Brooke, wrecked in WA in 1622, was the Englishman who convinced the English admiralty to ban taking the Dutch fast southern route to the East Indies across the Indian Ocean. From then on, the English only crept up to the East Indies via the slower route past India. If I remember correctly, he was an English sea captain but at the time was a passenger onboard a dutch ship. He didn’t particularly enjoy getting wrecked.

Thanks, that’s my learning for today

and mine.

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Date: 5/08/2019 09:48:00
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1419002
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

>> Words “noddy”, “old wife”, “skipjack” strike me as possibly new.

> Noddy meaning a bit stupid in an old word.

Yes. Dampier used “Noddy-bird” meaning stupid bird, and drew a picture.

Nowdays we call it the “common noddy”. I mean “new” as in the sense of new meaning.

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Date: 5/08/2019 09:53:22
From: Tamb
ID: 1419005
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

mollwollfumble said:


>> Words “noddy”, “old wife”, “skipjack” strike me as possibly new.

> Noddy meaning a bit stupid in an old word.

Yes. Dampier used “Noddy-bird” meaning stupid bird, and drew a picture.

Nowdays we call it the “common noddy”. I mean “new” as in the sense of new meaning.

!https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/e8/a5/bae8a5a2c155532708e5d9a80ab06fc9.jpg

OK. Point taken.

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Date: 5/08/2019 10:00:36
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1419009
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

roughbarked said:


dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

I probably have the wrong name. I’ll check.

Nope, right name.

John Brooke, wrecked in WA in 1622, was the Englishman who convinced the English admiralty to ban taking the Dutch fast southern route to the East Indies across the Indian Ocean. From then on, the English only crept up to the East Indies via the slower route past India. If I remember correctly, he was an English sea captain but at the time was a passenger onboard a dutch ship. He didn’t particularly enjoy getting wrecked.

Thanks, that’s my learning for today

and mine.

I knew that already. I learned about the early European explorers back in grade 3 and made up little rhymes about them. I can’t remember how the Brooke one went but I remember the tune I made it up to: Humpty Dumpty.

The Dampier one was my own tune and included the catchy lyrics “Shark Bay, WA doo doo doo.”

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Date: 5/08/2019 10:08:19
From: Tamb
ID: 1419016
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

Divine Angel said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Thanks, that’s my learning for today

and mine.

I knew that already. I learned about the early European explorers back in grade 3 and made up little rhymes about them. I can’t remember how the Brooke one went but I remember the tune I made it up to: Humpty Dumpty.

The Dampier one was my own tune and included the catchy lyrics “Shark Bay, WA doo doo doo.”

Running the Easting down was very hazardous before chronometers allowed accurate determination of longitude. A miscalculation of dead reckoning speed & you arrived on the inhospitable WA coast & quite possibly shipwreck.

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Date: 5/08/2019 10:21:52
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1419022
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

Divine Angel said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Thanks, that’s my learning for today

and mine.

I knew that already. I learned about the early European explorers back in grade 3 and made up little rhymes about them. I can’t remember how the Brooke one went but I remember the tune I made it up to: Humpty Dumpty.

The Dampier one was my own tune and included the catchy lyrics “Shark Bay, WA doo doo doo.”

We learnt about Billy Dampier in school too but not much as he had some bad press.
However his contribution to the lexicon was probably unknown back then.
There was no interweb or shark doo doo doo.

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Date: 5/08/2019 10:31:19
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1419023
Subject: re: William Dampier's words

I even made it up before the whole Baby Shark thing! Not the same tune though.

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