Here ya go. Put it here. There’s no escaping it.
I just want a Donald Trump free day. Not too much to ask is it?
Here ya go. Put it here. There’s no escaping it.
I just want a Donald Trump free day. Not too much to ask is it?
Woodie said:
Here ya go. Put it here. There’s no escaping it.I just want a Donald Trump free day. Not too much to ask is it?
Did I complain about the football?
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:
Here ya go. Put it here. There’s no escaping it.I just want a Donald Trump free day. Not too much to ask is it?
Did I complain about the football?
There we go. Assert yourself!
Who?
Never heard of the fucker.*
*I wish
Woodie said:
Here ya go. Put it here. There’s no escaping it.I just want a Donald Trump free day. Not too much to ask is it?
ditto.
Set up a swear jar, everyone who he uses the “T word” has to contribute $2 or $5 to a charity of your choice for every use of the word.
On a positive note, use of the “T word” on abc TV news seems to be declining, At least now it’s not the top news article every friggin day.
mollwollfumble said:
Woodie said:
Here ya go. Put it here. There’s no escaping it.I just want a Donald Trump free day. Not too much to ask is it?
ditto.
Set up a swear jar, everyone who he uses the “T word” has to contribute $2 or $5 to a charity of your choice for every use of the word.
On a positive note, use of the “T word” on abc TV news seems to be declining, At least now it’s not the top news article every friggin day.
Starting a swear jar here. Will report contents by end of day.
This morning I look at this thread and think…yep, shut down again.
Fuck your coin jar.
Yes, here in the Holiday Forum we talk about whatever we like.
Bubblecar said:
Yes, here in the Holiday Forum we talk about whatever we like.
…or whatever we don’t like :)
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Yes, here in the Holiday Forum we talk about whatever we like.
…or whatever we don’t like :)
And some of us peers over glasses at Arts have potty mouths.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Yes, here in the Holiday Forum we talk about whatever we like.
…or whatever we don’t like :)
And some of us peers over glasses at Arts have potty mouths.
Learned from the best
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
Woodie said:
Here ya go. Put it here. There’s no escaping it.I just want a Donald Trump free day. Not too much to ask is it?
ditto.
Set up a swear jar, everyone who he uses the “T word” has to contribute $2 or $5 to a charity of your choice for every use of the word.
On a positive note, use of the “T word” on abc TV news seems to be declining, At least now it’s not the top news article every friggin day.
Starting a swear jar here. Will report contents by end of day.
Didn’t quite manage, but only one T word seen of heard yesterday, an anti T slogan on a mug. $2 in the swear jar.
sarahs mum now permanently banned from the forum for swearing ;-(
Woodie said:
Here ya go. Put it here. There’s no escaping it.I just want a Donald Trump free day. Not too much to ask is it?
Bump.
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
Here ya go. Put it here. There’s no escaping it.I just want a Donald Trump free day. Not too much to ask is it?
Bump.
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
Here ya go. Put it here. There’s no escaping it.I just want a Donald Trump free day. Not too much to ask is it?
Bump.
I reckoned Trump discussion was unavoidable. Hence my suggestion to turn it into a “spot the Nazi” game.
‘We Are Being Eaten From Within.’ Why America Is Losing the Battle Against White Nationalist Terrorism
https://time.com/5647304/white-nationalist-terrorism-united-states/
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:Bump.
I reckoned Trump discussion was unavoidable. Hence my suggestion to turn it into a “spot the Nazi” game.‘We Are Being Eaten From Within.’ Why America Is Losing the Battle Against White Nationalist Terrorism
https://time.com/5647304/white-nationalist-terrorism-united-states/
I wonder how many White Nationalists are in the US Congress, Senate and Whitehouse?

Tau.Neutrino said:
Happens here, everywhere.
We had a chance to work intelligently together after WW2, but nah…..
Insincere deflective rhetoric.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-16/donald-trump-says-us-needs-more-asylums-in-wake-of-shootings/11420360
Michael V said:
Insincere deflective rhetoric.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-16/donald-trump-says-us-needs-more-asylums-in-wake-of-shootings/11420360
Note the mental health warnings at the bottom of the article.
So will Australia step back when the death camps start? or shall we implement death camps too?
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
Insincere deflective rhetoric.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-16/donald-trump-says-us-needs-more-asylums-in-wake-of-shootings/11420360
Note the mental health warnings at the bottom of the article.
So will Australia step back when the death camps start? or shall we implement death camps too?
I’m just asking as someone with a mental health ticket. Should I update my will?
Young Turks report that 4chan discussed the finer points of Epstein’s death before the information was released to the public.
(CNN)President Donald Trump has on multiple occasions brought up buying Greenland from the Danish government and the White House counsel’s office has looked into the possibility, two sources told CNN on Thursday.
Trump’s interest in buying Greenland was first reported on Thursday by The Wall Street Journal. The Journal reported that people familiar with the deliberations said the President has raised the issue during meetings and dinners, asking aides and listening seriously about the possibility and advantages of owning Greenland. He also asked his White House counsel to research the matter, according to two of the people.
Two of the people also told the Journal that Trump’s aides were divided on the issue, with some praising it as solid economic strategy and others dismissing it as a passing fancy.
CNN has contacted the White House and the State Department for comment.
Greenland, an autonomous Danish territory, is home to Thule Air Base, the US military’s northernmost base, located about 750 miles above the Arctic Circle and built in 1951. The radar and listening post features a Ballistic Missile Early Warning System that can warn of incoming intercontinental ballistic missiles and reaches thousands of miles into Russian territory.
Aides expressed both expectation and reservation at the President’s still-unclear interest in the idea and had questions about the island’s military and research potential, the Journal reported. They pointed to those outside the administration floating a Greenland purchase as a potential legacy-builder for Trump, similar to President Dwight Eisenhower’s statehood for Alaska, the paper added.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/15/politics/trump-buy-greenland-wall-street-journal/index.html
He took time out today to castigate the inverted yield curve

dv said:
He took time out today to castigate the inverted yield curve
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He makes a lot of sense.
dv said:
(CNN)President Donald Trump has on multiple occasions brought up buying Greenland from the Danish government and the White House counsel’s office has looked into the possibility, two sources told CNN on Thursday.Trump’s interest in buying Greenland was first reported on Thursday by The Wall Street Journal. The Journal reported that people familiar with the deliberations said the President has raised the issue during meetings and dinners, asking aides and listening seriously about the possibility and advantages of owning Greenland. He also asked his White House counsel to research the matter, according to two of the people.
Two of the people also told the Journal that Trump’s aides were divided on the issue, with some praising it as solid economic strategy and others dismissing it as a passing fancy.
CNN has contacted the White House and the State Department for comment.
Greenland, an autonomous Danish territory, is home to Thule Air Base, the US military’s northernmost base, located about 750 miles above the Arctic Circle and built in 1951. The radar and listening post features a Ballistic Missile Early Warning System that can warn of incoming intercontinental ballistic missiles and reaches thousands of miles into Russian territory.
Aides expressed both expectation and reservation at the President’s still-unclear interest in the idea and had questions about the island’s military and research potential, the Journal reported. They pointed to those outside the administration floating a Greenland purchase as a potential legacy-builder for Trump, similar to President Dwight Eisenhower’s statehood for Alaska, the paper added.https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/15/politics/trump-buy-greenland-wall-street-journal/index.html
Huh!
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
Insincere deflective rhetoric.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-16/donald-trump-says-us-needs-more-asylums-in-wake-of-shootings/11420360
Note the mental health warnings at the bottom of the article.
So will Australia step back when the death camps start? or shall we implement death camps too?
I’m just asking as someone with a mental health ticket. Should I update my will?
What death camps?
sibeen said:
dv said:
He took time out today to castigate the inverted yield curve
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He makes a lot of sense.
I wonder whether JP just laughs at Trump calling him clueless.
dv said:
He took time out today to castigate the inverted yield curve
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Companies and jobs are fleeing China.
There you have it in a single Tweet, the Trump administration foreign policy on China.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:Note the mental health warnings at the bottom of the article.
So will Australia step back when the death camps start? or shall we implement death camps too?
I’m just asking as someone with a mental health ticket. Should I update my will?
What death camps?
When they go full nazi.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-16/israel-bans-ilhan-omar-and-rashida-tlaib-under-pressure-trump/11420450
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889
President Donald Trump has repeatedly refused to accept any responsibility for inciting violence in American communities, dismissing critics who have pointed to his rhetoric as a potential source of inspiration for some citizens acting on even long-held beliefs of bigotry and hate.
But a nationwide review conducted by ABC News has identified at least 36 criminal cases where Trump was invoked in direct connection with violent acts, threats of violence or allegations of assault.
In nine cases, perpetrators hailed Trump in the midst or immediate aftermath of physically attacking innocent victims. In another 10 cases, perpetrators cheered or defended Trump while taunting or threatening others. And in another 10 cases, Trump and his rhetoric were cited in court to explain a defendant’s violent or threatening behavior.
ABC News could not find a single criminal case filed in federal or state court where an act of violence or threat was made in the name of President Barack Obama or President George W. Bush.
dv said:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889President Donald Trump has repeatedly refused to accept any responsibility for inciting violence in American communities, dismissing critics who have pointed to his rhetoric as a potential source of inspiration for some citizens acting on even long-held beliefs of bigotry and hate.
But a nationwide review conducted by ABC News has identified at least 36 criminal cases where Trump was invoked in direct connection with violent acts, threats of violence or allegations of assault.
In nine cases, perpetrators hailed Trump in the midst or immediate aftermath of physically attacking innocent victims. In another 10 cases, perpetrators cheered or defended Trump while taunting or threatening others. And in another 10 cases, Trump and his rhetoric were cited in court to explain a defendant’s violent or threatening behavior.
ABC News could not find a single criminal case filed in federal or state court where an act of violence or threat was made in the name of President Barack Obama or President George W. Bush.
An American President who is an accomplice to inciting 36 crimes using Mass Media.
Who has being linked to crimes in the past.
Who has been linked to Russia Election meddling and other offences.
Who insults congress and senate members.
Insults and puts down people on a regular basis.
Who is insensitive to mass shootings and often gets towns and names mixed up.
Who is clearly is a white suprematist.
Who is cruel to refuges and children.
Someone needs to write an app that deletes all memories of Trump, his voice, everything about him.
I know!
Lets send all the right wing extremists, Nazis, white supremacists who are all over the world to China.
I hear the Chinese have retraining camps.
Lots of them.
Some are even empty.
I think while Donald trump was doing his Your Fired TV shows, he came up with the idea of being Americas Worst President and making that into a tv show without having to have an actual tv studio.
LOL
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-21/donald-trump-postpones-meeting-danish-pm-greenland-comments/11434302
Michael V said:
LOLhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-21/donald-trump-postpones-meeting-danish-pm-greenland-comments/11434302
There is no way in the fucking world he wrote that tweet.

sarahs mum said:
It’s funny: this person has the unchecked authority to render the Earth uninhabitable on a few minutes’ notice.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
It’s funny: this person has the unchecked authority to render the Earth uninhabitable on a few minutes’ notice.
Tamb said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
It’s funny: this person has the unchecked authority to render the Earth uninhabitable on a few minutes’ notice.
There are a few checks involved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Codes
Should the president decide to order the launch of nuclear weapons, he or she would be taken aside by the “carrier” of the nuclear football and the briefcase opened. Once opened, the president would decide which “attack options” (specific orders for attacks on specific targets) to use. The Attack Options are preset war plans developed under OPLAN 8010, and include major attack options (MAOs), selected attack options (SAOs), and limited attack options (LAOs). The chosen attack option and the Gold Codes would then be transmitted to the NMCC via a special, secure channel.
Stephen Schwartz, an independent nuclear policy consultant, explained in 2018: “Once identity is verified, he gives the order and it is transmitted down the chain of command. The chain of command goes from the president through the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and then, if we’re using long-range weapons, down through the Strategic Command, then the order is relayed to our forces in the field. It always happens extremely quickly.”
He just needs to read the numbers off a card. That’s it. No one else needs to approve: no one else can countermand the order.
dv said:
Tamb said:
dv said:There are a few checks involved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Codes
Should the president decide to order the launch of nuclear weapons, he or she would be taken aside by the “carrier” of the nuclear football and the briefcase opened. Once opened, the president would decide which “attack options” (specific orders for attacks on specific targets) to use. The Attack Options are preset war plans developed under OPLAN 8010, and include major attack options (MAOs), selected attack options (SAOs), and limited attack options (LAOs). The chosen attack option and the Gold Codes would then be transmitted to the NMCC via a special, secure channel.
Stephen Schwartz, an independent nuclear policy consultant, explained in 2018: “Once identity is verified, he gives the order and it is transmitted down the chain of command. The chain of command goes from the president through the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and then, if we’re using long-range weapons, down through the Strategic Command, then the order is relayed to our forces in the field. It always happens extremely quickly.”He just needs to read the numbers off a card. That’s it. No one else needs to approve: no one else can countermand the order.
He also must remember where on the list the correct code is situated. This might be a step too far for The Donald.
Tamb said:
He also must remember where on the list the correct code is situated. This might be a step too far for The Donald.
Ooohh nuclear war rubs hands
First I’d take out Moscow and Peking then some small tactical ones on military installation.
Then targeted ones on selected sites like Joffra’s house.
Peak Warming Man said:
Ooohh nuclear war rubs hands
First I’d take out Moscow and Peking then some small tactical ones on military installation.
Then targeted ones on selected sites like Joffra’s house.
Peak Warming Man said:
Ooohh nuclear war rubs hands
First I’d take out Moscow and Peking then some small tactical ones on military installation.
Then targeted ones on selected sites like Joffra’s house.
LOL
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Ooohh nuclear war rubs hands
First I’d take out Moscow and Peking then some small tactical ones on military installation.
Then targeted ones on selected sites like Joffra’s house.
LOL
If only that was funny.
sarahs mum said:
As I said to Kii…it’s getting a bit Diary of a Madman by Gogol.
“I have discovered that China and Spain are really one and the same country, and it’s only ignorance that leads people to think that they’re two different nations. If you don’t believe me, then try and write ‘Spain’ and you’ll end up writing ‘China’.“To-day is a day of splendid triumph. Spain has a king; he has been found, and I am he. I discovered it today; all of a sudden it came upon me like a flash of lightning.”
This is actually true
dv said:
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This is actually true
What a crazy world we live in!
But I feel much annoyed by an event which is about to take place tomorrow; at seven o’clock the earth is going to sit on the moon. This is foretold by the famous English chemist, Wellington. To tell the truth, I often felt uneasy when I thought of the excessive brittleness and fragility of the moon. The moon is generally repaired in Hamburg, and very imperfectly. It is done by a lame cooper, an obvious blockhead who has no idea how to do it. He took waxed thread and olive-oil — hence that pungent smell over all the earth which compels people to hold their noses. And this makes the moon so fragile that no men can live on it, but only noses. Therefore we cannot see our noses, because they are on the moon.
When I now pictured to myself how the earth, that massive body, would crush our noses to dust, if it sat on the moon, I became so uneasy, that I immediately put on my shoes and stockings and hastened into the council-hall to give the police orders to prevent the moon sitting on the earth.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/458347-jewish-democrats-decry-trumps-loyalty-remarks
“In my opinion, if you vote for a Democrat you’re being very disloyal to Jewish people and you’re being very disloyal to Israel,” he said Wednesday at the White House, amplifying similar remarks he made a day earlier. “And only weak people would say anything other than that.”
Yet prominent Jewish Democrats say Trump’s criticism of the very bloc he’s seeking to woo — and his invocation of anti-Semitic tropes as part of that message — will only alienate Jewish voters heading into 2020.
“He’s totally blown away that all his pandering to the hard right of American Jewish politics on Israel is not winning him any support among American Jews. In fact, it’s backfiring,” Joel Rubin, a deputy assistant secretary of State during the Obama administration, said Wednesday by phone.
For context: exit polls indicated 71% of Jewish people voted for Clinton, 24% for Trump.

sarahs mum said:
Got to hand it to Trump. He does keep it fresh.

Been a gradual worsening in the polls over the last couple of months, mostly in terms of an increase in those who Disapprove rather than “don’t know”.
He’s still considerably above where he was in late 2017 where there was often a 16% gap between approval and disapproval.
dv said:
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Been a gradual worsening in the polls over the last couple of months, mostly in terms of an increase in those who Disapprove rather than “don’t know”.
He’s still considerably above where he was in late 2017 where there was often a 16% gap between approval and disapproval.
You inevitably find yourself questioning the value of democracy as currently formulated.

I wonder what the tweets would have been when Truman or Nixon was alive…
Arts said:
I wonder what the tweets would have been when Truman or Nixon was alive…
Sane, probably.
Trump is the third president of the Twitter age so we should have some idea.
Arts said:
I wonder what the tweets would have been when Truman or Nixon was alive…
Tweets certainly would reveal more about their personalities.
Certainly it was easier to control the story back in the olden days.
Most Americans did not know that FDR was wheelchair-bound through his presidency.
dv said:
Certainly it was easier to control the story back in the olden days.Most Americans did not know that FDR was wheelchair-bound through his presidency.
Or that a whole series of them were pissed or stoned for most of theirs.
(Have you seen the ‘Altered Statesmen’ series? Enlightening)
dv said:
Arts said:
I wonder what the tweets would have been when Truman or Nixon was alive…Sane, probably.
Trump is the third president of the Twitter age so we should have some idea.
he is the most prolific and also doesn’t really used the POTUS account (that I have seen)
FLOTUS also doesn’t really use her account unlike Michelle (who was amazingly good at tweeting relevant and thought provoking stuff)
dv said:
Certainly it was easier to control the story back in the olden days.Most Americans did not know that FDR was wheelchair-bound through his presidency.
Or that Kennedy was screwing anything that moved.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Certainly it was easier to control the story back in the olden days.Most Americans did not know that FDR was wheelchair-bound through his presidency.
Or that Kennedy was screwing anything that moved.
actually I thought that was common knowledge.
Arts said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Certainly it was easier to control the story back in the olden days.Most Americans did not know that FDR was wheelchair-bound through his presidency.
Or that Kennedy was screwing anything that moved.
actually I thought that was common knowledge.
Was amoungst the press corp, just as FDR’s status was. They just didn’t write about it.
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
Certainly it was easier to control the story back in the olden days.Most Americans did not know that FDR was wheelchair-bound through his presidency.
Or that a whole series of them were pissed or stoned for most of theirs.
(Have you seen the ‘Altered Statesmen’ series? Enlightening)
Donald Trump is the first non-drug, non-drinking President since Taft. Maybe drinking and drugging should be mandatory.
dv said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
Certainly it was easier to control the story back in the olden days.Most Americans did not know that FDR was wheelchair-bound through his presidency.
Or that a whole series of them were pissed or stoned for most of theirs.
(Have you seen the ‘Altered Statesmen’ series? Enlightening)
Donald Trump is the first non-drug, non-drinking President since Taft. Maybe drinking and drugging should be mandatory.
Nah, just psychological profiling.
sibeen said:
Arts said:
sibeen said:Or that Kennedy was screwing anything that moved.
actually I thought that was common knowledge.
Was amoungst the press corp, just as FDR’s status was. They just didn’t write about it.
pfft. soft
Arts said:
sibeen said:
Arts said:actually I thought that was common knowledge.
Was amoungst the press corp, just as FDR’s status was. They just didn’t write about it.
pfft. soft
No, smart. :)
Trump hits 62% disapproval rating.
Manufacturing slumps to below 2009 slump figures
Car manufacturers have rejected Trump’s easier regulations and have signed up to a deal with California for stricter regulations (The California car market is hard to ignore)
Trump’s tarriffs could cost the average US punter a grand a year.
The deficit is going up.
Three more Dems signed up today for the impeachment show.
-MSNBC.
Looking forward to the G7. What fun.
sarahs mum said:
Looking forward to the G7. What fun.
He will dry-hump BoJo, let Putin dry-hump him, and pick his nose and flick the boogers at that nasty Merkel lady.
sarahs mum said:
Trump hits 62% disapproval rating.Manufacturing slumps to below 2009 slump figures
Car manufacturers have rejected Trump’s easier regulations and have signed up to a deal with California for stricter regulations (The California car market is hard to ignore)
Trump’s tarriffs could cost the average US punter a grand a year.
The deficit is going up.
Three more Dems signed up today for the impeachment show.
-MSNBC.
Looking forward to the G7. What fun.
FiveThirtyEight has the disapproval rating at 54%. Maybe they should ask more than the MSNBC viewership.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump hits 62% disapproval rating.Manufacturing slumps to below 2009 slump figures
Car manufacturers have rejected Trump’s easier regulations and have signed up to a deal with California for stricter regulations (The California car market is hard to ignore)
Trump’s tarriffs could cost the average US punter a grand a year.
The deficit is going up.
Three more Dems signed up today for the impeachment show.
-MSNBC.
Looking forward to the G7. What fun.
FiveThirtyEight has the disapproval rating at 54%. Maybe they should ask more than the MSNBC viewership.
Yep, it can be misleading to look just an one poll: even without house bias, you are going to get scatter just because …statistics. The temptation is to choose outliers that suit your narrative. Polling averagers are better.
DJT had one of his stream of consciousness tweetstorms this morning, mostly garbage but I did notice this cracker:

I had no idea that he was a big fan of the command economy. Nice one, comrade!
Also, I have to admit: this is pretty fuckin’ funny:

dv said:
DJT had one of his stream of consciousness tweetstorms this morning, mostly garbage but I did notice this cracker:
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I had no idea that he was a big fan of the command economy. Nice one, comrade!
Also, I have to admit: this is pretty fuckin’ funny:
That second one is good.
Donald Trump’s ‘Horrific’ Response to the Central Park Five Case | Opinions | NowThis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Paf8MPhSG08
Image Of Trump Stepping Out Of A Car In France Appears To Show POTUS Wearing High-Heeled Shoes
http://dctribune.org/image-of-trump-stepping-out-of-a-car-in-france-appears-to-show-potus-wearing-high-heeled-shoes/
Trump On China Trade War: ‘I Have Second Thoughts About Everything’
At a G-7 breakfast meeting with U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson, President Trump commented on the escalating trade with China but added that he’s not concerned about market reaction to the tariffs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-xlAe_RjOE
—-
that was another weird two minutes.
sarahs mum said:
Image Of Trump Stepping Out Of A Car In France Appears To Show POTUS Wearing High-Heeled Shoeshttp://dctribune.org/image-of-trump-stepping-out-of-a-car-in-france-appears-to-show-potus-wearing-high-heeled-shoes/
I can’t help feeling that some of these Trump reports are getting just a little bit silly, so this seems appropriate:
Dennis Trump, Dennis Trump Riding through the land Dennis Trump, Dennis Trump Without a merry band He steals from the poor And gives to the rich Stupid bitch
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Image Of Trump Stepping Out Of A Car In France Appears To Show POTUS Wearing High-Heeled Shoeshttp://dctribune.org/image-of-trump-stepping-out-of-a-car-in-france-appears-to-show-potus-wearing-high-heeled-shoes/
I can’t help feeling that some of these Trump reports are getting just a little bit silly, so this seems appropriate:
Dennis Trump, Dennis Trump Riding through the land Dennis Trump, Dennis Trump Without a merry band He steals from the poor And gives to the rich Stupid bitch
Trump suggests ‘nuking hurricanes’ to stop them hitting America – report
US president reportedly asked more than once about why military could not bomb hurricanes
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-suggests-nuking-hurricanes-to-stop-them-hitting-america-report
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Image Of Trump Stepping Out Of A Car In France Appears To Show POTUS Wearing High-Heeled Shoeshttp://dctribune.org/image-of-trump-stepping-out-of-a-car-in-france-appears-to-show-potus-wearing-high-heeled-shoes/
I can’t help feeling that some of these Trump reports are getting just a little bit silly, so this seems appropriate:
Dennis Trump, Dennis Trump Riding through the land Dennis Trump, Dennis Trump Without a merry band He steals from the poor And gives to the rich Stupid bitch
Trump suggests ‘nuking hurricanes’ to stop them hitting America – report
US president reportedly asked more than once about why military could not bomb hurricanes
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-suggests-nuking-hurricanes-to-stop-them-hitting-america-report
Those Trump reports are getting too silly!
Because he’s a dumb cunt who does stupid things
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I can’t help feeling that some of these Trump reports are getting just a little bit silly, so this seems appropriate:
Dennis Trump, Dennis Trump Riding through the land Dennis Trump, Dennis Trump Without a merry band He steals from the poor And gives to the rich Stupid bitch
Trump suggests ‘nuking hurricanes’ to stop them hitting America – report
US president reportedly asked more than once about why military could not bomb hurricanes
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-suggests-nuking-hurricanes-to-stop-them-hitting-america-report
Those Trump reports are getting too silly!
Because he’s a dumb cunt who does stupid things
OK, but wanting to nuke hurricanes just seems a bit more newsworthy than wearing high heels.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Trump suggests ‘nuking hurricanes’ to stop them hitting America – report
US president reportedly asked more than once about why military could not bomb hurricanes
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-suggests-nuking-hurricanes-to-stop-them-hitting-america-report
Those Trump reports are getting too silly!
Because he’s a dumb cunt who does stupid things
OK, but wanting to nuke hurricanes just seems a bit more newsworthy than wearing high heels.
sure
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Trump suggests ‘nuking hurricanes’ to stop them hitting America – report
US president reportedly asked more than once about why military could not bomb hurricanes
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-suggests-nuking-hurricanes-to-stop-them-hitting-america-report
Those Trump reports are getting too silly!
Because he’s a dumb cunt who does stupid things
OK, but wanting to nuke hurricanes just seems a bit more newsworthy than wearing high heels.
BIG MAN NUKES HURRICANE!
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Image Of Trump Stepping Out Of A Car In France Appears To Show POTUS Wearing High-Heeled Shoeshttp://dctribune.org/image-of-trump-stepping-out-of-a-car-in-france-appears-to-show-potus-wearing-high-heeled-shoes/
I can’t help feeling that some of these Trump reports are getting just a little bit silly, so this seems appropriate:
Dennis Trump, Dennis Trump Riding through the land Dennis Trump, Dennis Trump Without a merry band He steals from the poor And gives to the rich Stupid bitch
Trump suggests ‘nuking hurricanes’ to stop them hitting America – report
US president reportedly asked more than once about why military could not bomb hurricanes
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-suggests-nuking-hurricanes-to-stop-them-hitting-america-report
Lol. Let’s make the storms radioactive as well to add to the damaging winds and flooding rains.
Besides which, his own agency NOAA actually did a study on it and reckons it won’t work.
Thirdly, there is an international ban on such uses of nuclear weapons, a treaty thought up by the USA and ratified by them.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I can’t help feeling that some of these Trump reports are getting just a little bit silly, so this seems appropriate:
Dennis Trump, Dennis Trump Riding through the land Dennis Trump, Dennis Trump Without a merry band He steals from the poor And gives to the rich Stupid bitch
Trump suggests ‘nuking hurricanes’ to stop them hitting America – report
US president reportedly asked more than once about why military could not bomb hurricanes
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-suggests-nuking-hurricanes-to-stop-them-hitting-america-report
Lol. Let’s make the storms radioactive as well to add to the damaging winds and flooding rains.
Besides which, his own agency NOAA actually did a study on it and reckons it won’t work.
Thirdly, there is an international ban on such uses of nuclear weapons, a treaty thought up by the USA and ratified by them.
fake news
dv said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:Trump suggests ‘nuking hurricanes’ to stop them hitting America – report
US president reportedly asked more than once about why military could not bomb hurricanes
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-suggests-nuking-hurricanes-to-stop-them-hitting-america-report
Lol. Let’s make the storms radioactive as well to add to the damaging winds and flooding rains.
Besides which, his own agency NOAA actually did a study on it and reckons it won’t work.
Thirdly, there is an international ban on such uses of nuclear weapons, a treaty thought up by the USA and ratified by them.
fake news
dang, you got me there!
There is a third major candidate for the Republican Presidential Primary now: former Congressman Joe Walsh. He was a bit of a Tea Party favourite about 10 years ago, and frankly, kind of an arsehole, and is now a conservative radio host.
When announcing his candidacy, he did something of a mea culpa.
“I’m going to do whatever I can. I don’t want him (Trump) to win. The country cannot afford to have him win. If I’m not successful, I’m not voting for him.”“I’m not trying to be cute or coy. I’ve told you before — if somebody’s going to get in there and go after him … it’s got to be done soon,” Walsh told CNN’s John Berman on “New Day.” “You’re running out of time. But more importantly, these are not conventional times. Look at the guy in the White House. These are urgent times.”
On Sunday, Walsh called Trump “nuts,” “erratic,” “cruel” and “incompetent.”
He said he voted for Trump in 2016, but only because Trump wasn’t Hillary Clinton. Where Trump lost him, Walsh said, was during the President’s news conference with Vladimir Putin at their summit last year in Helsinki, Finland, at which Trump sided with the Russian strongman over his own intelligence community’s assessments of Russian interference in the 2016 US election.
“I helped create Trump,” the Tea Party favorite told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos in an interview that aired Sunday morning. “I feel responsible for that.”
Walsh claimed that Trump was “tweeting us into a recession” and warned that “he’ll tweet us into war.”
Stephanopoulos called out Walsh for making outlandish statements of his own, including calling former President Barack Obama a Muslim and an enemy. Walsh said Trump “made me reflect on some of the things I’ve said in the past,” acknowledging that at times he “went beyond the policies and idea” and “said some ugly things about President Obama that I regret.”
When asked if he truly believes what he said about Obama, Walsh responded, “God no, and I have apologized for that.”
——
So apart from Trump and Walsh, there is former governer Bill Weld, very much an old school Reagan-GHWBush Republican, running the Republican Presidential nomination.
Current Weld is polling at around 14%. No polls have been conducted since Walsh threw his hat into the ring.
Needless to say the chances that Trump is not the eventual nominee are very slim, but the process of seeing other Republicans running against him might ding Trump a little bit.
The Republican party has not scheduled any Primary debates and is unlikely to.
dv said:
So apart from Trump and Walsh, there is former governer Bill Weld, very much an old school Reagan-GHWBush Republican, running the Republican Presidential nomination.
Current Weld is polling at around 14%. No polls have been conducted since Walsh threw his hat into the ring.
Needless to say the chances that Trump is not the eventual nominee are very slim, but the process of seeing other Republicans running against him might ding Trump a little bit.
The Republican party has not scheduled any Primary debates and is unlikely to.
Trying to the think of the last time a sitting president faced a serious Primary challenge. I guess it was 1992, when Pat Buchanan ran against sitting president George H W Bush for the Republican nomination. Buchanan got 23% of the vote in that contest, with Bush getting 72%.
dv said:
dv said:So apart from Trump and Walsh, there is former governer Bill Weld, very much an old school Reagan-GHWBush Republican, running the Republican Presidential nomination.
Current Weld is polling at around 14%. No polls have been conducted since Walsh threw his hat into the ring.
Needless to say the chances that Trump is not the eventual nominee are very slim, but the process of seeing other Republicans running against him might ding Trump a little bit.
The Republican party has not scheduled any Primary debates and is unlikely to.
Trying to the think of the last time a sitting president faced a serious Primary challenge. I guess it was 1992, when Pat Buchanan ran against sitting president George H W Bush for the Republican nomination. Buchanan got 23% of the vote in that contest, with Bush getting 72%.
Walsh has received one early endorsement, from George Conway, Kellyanne Conway’s husband …
President Donald Trump claimed he has the “absolute right” to “order” US companies to stop doing business with China that would involve using his broad executive authority in a new and unprecedented way under a 1977 law.
On Friday, China unveiled a new round of retaliatory tariffs on about $75 billion worth of US goods, the latest escalation in an on-going trade war that’s putting a strain on the world’s two largest economies. In response, Trump wrote on Twitter later Friday: “Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China including bringing …your companies HOME and making your products in the USA.”
When leaving the White House for the G7 summit in France, Trump told reporters, “I have the absolute right to do that, but we’ll see how it goes.” He later explained that he was referring to the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), and in a Friday tweet wrote: “For all of the Fake News Reporters that don’t have a clue as to what the law is relative to Presidential powers, China, etc., try looking at the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. Case closed!”
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/24/politics/trump-china-trade-war-emergency-economic-powers-act/index.html
dv said:
President Donald Trump claimed he has the “absolute right” to “order” US companies to stop doing business with China that would involve using his broad executive authority in a new and unprecedented way under a 1977 law.On Friday, China unveiled a new round of retaliatory tariffs on about $75 billion worth of US goods, the latest escalation in an on-going trade war that’s putting a strain on the world’s two largest economies. In response, Trump wrote on Twitter later Friday: “Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China including bringing …your companies HOME and making your products in the USA.”
When leaving the White House for the G7 summit in France, Trump told reporters, “I have the absolute right to do that, but we’ll see how it goes.” He later explained that he was referring to the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), and in a Friday tweet wrote: “For all of the Fake News Reporters that don’t have a clue as to what the law is relative to Presidential powers, China, etc., try looking at the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. Case closed!”
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/24/politics/trump-china-trade-war-emergency-economic-powers-act/index.html
He seems to think he can undo two decades worth of DFI by US companies in China within the soace of a few months with just a few executive orders.
I fear that if he goes through with it he will find himself removed from office very smartly. Attacking US big business is like kicking away the ladder while he is still standing on it.
dv said:
President Donald Trump claimed he has the “absolute right” to “order” US companies to stop doing business with China that would involve using his broad executive authority in a new and unprecedented way under a 1977 law.On Friday, China unveiled a new round of retaliatory tariffs on about $75 billion worth of US goods, the latest escalation in an on-going trade war that’s putting a strain on the world’s two largest economies. In response, Trump wrote on Twitter later Friday: “Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China including bringing …your companies HOME and making your products in the USA.”
When leaving the White House for the G7 summit in France, Trump told reporters, “I have the absolute right to do that, but we’ll see how it goes.” He later explained that he was referring to the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), and in a Friday tweet wrote: “For all of the Fake News Reporters that don’t have a clue as to what the law is relative to Presidential powers, China, etc., try looking at the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. Case closed!”
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/24/politics/trump-china-trade-war-emergency-economic-powers-act/index.html
Where are the MAGA hats and Trump 2020 banners made?
How’s the impeachment going, will he be impeached by Christmas?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
President Donald Trump claimed he has the “absolute right” to “order” US companies to stop doing business with China that would involve using his broad executive authority in a new and unprecedented way under a 1977 law.On Friday, China unveiled a new round of retaliatory tariffs on about $75 billion worth of US goods, the latest escalation in an on-going trade war that’s putting a strain on the world’s two largest economies. In response, Trump wrote on Twitter later Friday: “Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China including bringing …your companies HOME and making your products in the USA.”
When leaving the White House for the G7 summit in France, Trump told reporters, “I have the absolute right to do that, but we’ll see how it goes.” He later explained that he was referring to the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), and in a Friday tweet wrote: “For all of the Fake News Reporters that don’t have a clue as to what the law is relative to Presidential powers, China, etc., try looking at the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. Case closed!”
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/24/politics/trump-china-trade-war-emergency-economic-powers-act/index.html
Where are the MAGA hats and Trump 2020 banners made?
fake news
witch hunt
Peak Warming Man said:
How’s the impeachment going, will he be impeached by Christmas?
Why, you choosing a costume?
Peak Warming Man said:
How’s the impeachment going, will he be impeached by Christmas?
Witnesses that don’t want to be called have until November if I am understanding it..
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:
How’s the impeachment going, will he be impeached by Christmas?
Witnesses that don’t want to be called have until November if I am understanding it..
AFAIK the Republican Party is still behind him no matter how often people blather about impeachment because of something he has said or done.
AwesomeO said:
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:
How’s the impeachment going, will he be impeached by Christmas?
Witnesses that don’t want to be called have until November if I am understanding it..
AFAIK the Republican Party is still behind him no matter how often people blather about impeachment because of something he has said or done.
The Democratic leadership are against impeachment ao in seriousness it’s not on the cards
dv said:
AwesomeO said:
sarahs mum said:Witnesses that don’t want to be called have until November if I am understanding it..
AFAIK the Republican Party is still behind him no matter how often people blather about impeachment because of something he has said or done.
The Democratic leadership are against impeachment ao in seriousness it’s not on the cards
Why are they against it? Clinton didn’t damage them that much did it?
AwesomeO said:
Why are they against it?
1) removing the President from office by impeachment means he won’t face justice. He’ll be replaced by Pence who’ll pardon him.
2) the Dems fancy their chances against Trump better than they do against Pence
dv said:
AwesomeO said:Why are they against it?
1) removing the President from office by impeachment means he won’t face justice. He’ll be replaced by Pence who’ll pardon him.
2) the Dems fancy their chances against Trump better than they do against Pence
Hmmmm, I doubt that the Democrats are that targeted that they would forgo an opportunity for an impeachment on the off chance that he may be pardoned. They would grab it with both hands and leave consequences to be buggered.
AwesomeO said:
dv said:
AwesomeO said:Why are they against it?
1) removing the President from office by impeachment means he won’t face justice. He’ll be replaced by Pence who’ll pardon him.
2) the Dems fancy their chances against Trump better than they do against Pence
Hmmmm, I doubt that the Democrats are that targeted that they would forgo an opportunity for an impeachment on the off chance that he may be pardoned. They would grab it with both hands and leave consequences to be buggered.
There is no hunger for impeachment by the Democrat hierachy in the house when there is no chance the Republican majority in the senate won’t acquit him. Better to get rid of Trump in the election by playing to their strengths like healthcare.
Witty Rejoinder said:
AwesomeO said:
dv said:1) removing the President from office by impeachment means he won’t face justice. He’ll be replaced by Pence who’ll pardon him.
2) the Dems fancy their chances against Trump better than they do against Pence
Hmmmm, I doubt that the Democrats are that targeted that they would forgo an opportunity for an impeachment on the off chance that he may be pardoned. They would grab it with both hands and leave consequences to be buggered.
There is no hunger for impeachment by the Democrat hierachy in the house when there is no chance the Republican majority in the senate won’t acquit him. Better to get rid of Trump in the election by playing to their strengths like healthcare.
Yeah I get that, which is why I mentioned the republicans previously, but if he did something so agregious that the republicans would join then the Democrats would break speed records bringing one about.
AwesomeO said:
dv said:
AwesomeO said:Why are they against it?
1) removing the President from office by impeachment means he won’t face justice. He’ll be replaced by Pence who’ll pardon him.
2) the Dems fancy their chances against Trump better than they do against Pence
Hmmmm, I doubt that the Democrats are that targeted that they would forgo an opportunity for an impeachment on the off chance that he may be pardoned. They would grab it with both hands and leave consequences to be buggered.
(Shrugs) I guess the Democratic leadership are a bit more restrained than that. They are all 80 years old or thereabouts.
AwesomeO said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
AwesomeO said:Hmmmm, I doubt that the Democrats are that targeted that they would forgo an opportunity for an impeachment on the off chance that he may be pardoned. They would grab it with both hands and leave consequences to be buggered.
There is no hunger for impeachment by the Democrat hierachy in the house when there is no chance the Republican majority in the senate won’t acquit him. Better to get rid of Trump in the election by playing to their strengths like healthcare.
Yeah I get that, which is why I mentioned the republicans previously, but if he did something so agregious that the republicans would join then the Democrats would break speed records bringing one about.
True. We’ve actually had very little reports from the various congressional committees examining his background and his conduct in his campaign so I can only imagine the Democrats are holding a fair bit up their sleeve for when the time is right. If they have nothing then Trump would have to go down as one of the most stupid honest men around when he could have negated all the bad press by making his life an open book.
AwesomeO said:
Yeah I get that, which is why I mentioned the republicans previously, but if he did something so agregious that the republicans would join then the Democrats would break speed records bringing one about.
Seems not. One of the things that make the impeachment hearings more likely is that there is little chance they’ll succeed. People among the progressive and/or principled Dems can make that case to Pelosi: we can hold hearings to bring more dirt to light, feeling safe that they will still be up against an unpopular president in Nov 2020.
Former Republican congressman and current Presidential candidate Joe Walsh is interviewed on Morning Joe by Joe Scarborough, who is also a former Republican congressman.
https://youtu.be/aJHrXaTx0Qs
dv said:
Former Republican congressman and current Presidential candidate Joe Walsh is interviewed on Morning Joe by Joe Scarborough, who is also a former Republican congressman.https://youtu.be/aJHrXaTx0Qs
I suppose he at least can string words into a sentence.
Trump An Incoherent Spectacle At G7; W.H. Struggles To Clean Up | Rachel Maddow |
15 mins.
And the message from Denmark about wind generators is just great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpwkaJQh1k
sarahs mum said:
Trump An Incoherent Spectacle At G7; W.H. Struggles To Clean Up | Rachel Maddow |15 mins.
And the message from Denmark about wind generators is just great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpwkaJQh1k
I don’t know what’s worse: his shameless pushing of Russia’s reentry into the G8, or his lengthy promotion of his own hotel as a venue for the next G7 summit.
“Doral happens to be within Miami. It’s a city. It’s a wonderful place. It’s a very, very successful area of Florida. It’s, very importantly, only five minutes from the airport; the airport is right next door. With Doral, we have a series of magnificent buildings; we call them bungalows. They each hold from 50 to 70 very luxurious rooms with magnificent views. We have incredible conference rooms, incredible restaurants.And they’ve done a beautiful job. They’ve really done a beautiful job. The ballrooms are among the biggest in Florida and the best. It’s brand new. Having it at that particular place, because of the way it’s set up, each country can have their own villa, or their own bungalow.”
The President of the United States of America using his closing press conference at the G7 summit to spruik his fucking bungalows.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump An Incoherent Spectacle At G7; W.H. Struggles To Clean Up | Rachel Maddow |15 mins.
And the message from Denmark about wind generators is just great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpwkaJQh1k
I don’t know what’s worse: his shameless pushing of Russia’s reentry into the G8, or his lengthy promotion of his own hotel as a venue for the next G7 summit.
“Doral happens to be within Miami. It’s a city. It’s a wonderful place. It’s a very, very successful area of Florida. It’s, very importantly, only five minutes from the airport; the airport is right next door. With Doral, we have a series of magnificent buildings; we call them bungalows. They each hold from 50 to 70 very luxurious rooms with magnificent views. We have incredible conference rooms, incredible restaurants.And they’ve done a beautiful job. They’ve really done a beautiful job. The ballrooms are among the biggest in Florida and the best. It’s brand new. Having it at that particular place, because of the way it’s set up, each country can have their own villa, or their own bungalow.”
The President of the United States of America using his closing press conference at the G7 summit to spruik his fucking bungalows.
He’s a beast of a man.
He stitches up and fleeces.
He wants to manicure the World,
and sell it off in pieces.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump An Incoherent Spectacle At G7; W.H. Struggles To Clean Up | Rachel Maddow |15 mins.
And the message from Denmark about wind generators is just great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpwkaJQh1k
I don’t know what’s worse: his shameless pushing of Russia’s reentry into the G8, or his lengthy promotion of his own hotel as a venue for the next G7 summit.
“Doral happens to be within Miami. It’s a city. It’s a wonderful place. It’s a very, very successful area of Florida. It’s, very importantly, only five minutes from the airport; the airport is right next door. With Doral, we have a series of magnificent buildings; we call them bungalows. They each hold from 50 to 70 very luxurious rooms with magnificent views. We have incredible conference rooms, incredible restaurants.And they’ve done a beautiful job. They’ve really done a beautiful job. The ballrooms are among the biggest in Florida and the best. It’s brand new. Having it at that particular place, because of the way it’s set up, each country can have their own villa, or their own bungalow.”
The President of the United States of America using his closing press conference at the G7 summit to spruik his fucking bungalows.
Or couldn’t go to the climate change talks because he was having talks with Germany and India. Who actually went to the talks. And sat on the round table next to Donald’s empty chair.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump An Incoherent Spectacle At G7; W.H. Struggles To Clean Up | Rachel Maddow |15 mins.
And the message from Denmark about wind generators is just great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpwkaJQh1k
I don’t know what’s worse: his shameless pushing of Russia’s reentry into the G8, or his lengthy promotion of his own hotel as a venue for the next G7 summit.
“Doral happens to be within Miami. It’s a city. It’s a wonderful place. It’s a very, very successful area of Florida. It’s, very importantly, only five minutes from the airport; the airport is right next door. With Doral, we have a series of magnificent buildings; we call them bungalows. They each hold from 50 to 70 very luxurious rooms with magnificent views. We have incredible conference rooms, incredible restaurants.And they’ve done a beautiful job. They’ve really done a beautiful job. The ballrooms are among the biggest in Florida and the best. It’s brand new. Having it at that particular place, because of the way it’s set up, each country can have their own villa, or their own bungalow.”
The President of the United States of America using his closing press conference at the G7 summit to spruik his fucking bungalows.
He’s a beast of a man.
He stitches up and fleeces.
He wants to manicure the World,
and sell it off in pieces.
What do they do at the G summits, get told what needs to be done, work out the bare minimum to look like they care and then find ways to not do even that
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump An Incoherent Spectacle At G7; W.H. Struggles To Clean Up | Rachel Maddow |15 mins.
And the message from Denmark about wind generators is just great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpwkaJQh1k
I don’t know what’s worse: his shameless pushing of Russia’s reentry into the G8, or his lengthy promotion of his own hotel as a venue for the next G7 summit.
“Doral happens to be within Miami. It’s a city. It’s a wonderful place. It’s a very, very successful area of Florida. It’s, very importantly, only five minutes from the airport; the airport is right next door. With Doral, we have a series of magnificent buildings; we call them bungalows. They each hold from 50 to 70 very luxurious rooms with magnificent views. We have incredible conference rooms, incredible restaurants.And they’ve done a beautiful job. They’ve really done a beautiful job. The ballrooms are among the biggest in Florida and the best. It’s brand new. Having it at that particular place, because of the way it’s set up, each country can have their own villa, or their own bungalow.”
The President of the United States of America using his closing press conference at the G7 summit to spruik his fucking bungalows.
Doral also has bed bugs.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump An Incoherent Spectacle At G7; W.H. Struggles To Clean Up | Rachel Maddow |15 mins.
And the message from Denmark about wind generators is just great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpwkaJQh1k
I don’t know what’s worse: his shameless pushing of Russia’s reentry into the G8, or his lengthy promotion of his own hotel as a venue for the next G7 summit.
“Doral happens to be within Miami. It’s a city. It’s a wonderful place. It’s a very, very successful area of Florida. It’s, very importantly, only five minutes from the airport; the airport is right next door. With Doral, we have a series of magnificent buildings; we call them bungalows. They each hold from 50 to 70 very luxurious rooms with magnificent views. We have incredible conference rooms, incredible restaurants.And they’ve done a beautiful job. They’ve really done a beautiful job. The ballrooms are among the biggest in Florida and the best. It’s brand new. Having it at that particular place, because of the way it’s set up, each country can have their own villa, or their own bungalow.”
The President of the United States of America using his closing press conference at the G7 summit to spruik his fucking bungalows.
I think he’s right about the bungalows being ideal for a country’s team of representatives.
It does sound like a terrific place for a convention like that.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump An Incoherent Spectacle At G7; W.H. Struggles To Clean Up | Rachel Maddow |15 mins.
And the message from Denmark about wind generators is just great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpwkaJQh1k
I don’t know what’s worse: his shameless pushing of Russia’s reentry into the G8, or his lengthy promotion of his own hotel as a venue for the next G7 summit.
“Doral happens to be within Miami. It’s a city. It’s a wonderful place. It’s a very, very successful area of Florida. It’s, very importantly, only five minutes from the airport; the airport is right next door. With Doral, we have a series of magnificent buildings; we call them bungalows. They each hold from 50 to 70 very luxurious rooms with magnificent views. We have incredible conference rooms, incredible restaurants.And they’ve done a beautiful job. They’ve really done a beautiful job. The ballrooms are among the biggest in Florida and the best. It’s brand new. Having it at that particular place, because of the way it’s set up, each country can have their own villa, or their own bungalow.”
The President of the United States of America using his closing press conference at the G7 summit to spruik his fucking bungalows.
Or couldn’t go to the climate change talks because he was having talks with Germany and India. Who actually went to the talks. And sat on the round table next to Donald’s empty chair.
Sure but I tell you what, wherever they held the climate talks did not have a ballroom like the Doral, some say it is the finest ballroom and certainly the biggest in the entire world, my sons have done a great job, apparently … naturally I keep the business at armslength while I’m President.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump An Incoherent Spectacle At G7; W.H. Struggles To Clean Up | Rachel Maddow |15 mins.
And the message from Denmark about wind generators is just great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpwkaJQh1k
I don’t know what’s worse: his shameless pushing of Russia’s reentry into the G8, or his lengthy promotion of his own hotel as a venue for the next G7 summit.
“Doral happens to be within Miami. It’s a city. It’s a wonderful place. It’s a very, very successful area of Florida. It’s, very importantly, only five minutes from the airport; the airport is right next door. With Doral, we have a series of magnificent buildings; we call them bungalows. They each hold from 50 to 70 very luxurious rooms with magnificent views. We have incredible conference rooms, incredible restaurants.And they’ve done a beautiful job. They’ve really done a beautiful job. The ballrooms are among the biggest in Florida and the best. It’s brand new. Having it at that particular place, because of the way it’s set up, each country can have their own villa, or their own bungalow.”
The President of the United States of America using his closing press conference at the G7 summit to spruik his fucking bungalows.
Doral also has bed bugs.
You can fit a thousand clan members in them there ballrooms
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump An Incoherent Spectacle At G7; W.H. Struggles To Clean Up | Rachel Maddow |15 mins.
And the message from Denmark about wind generators is just great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpwkaJQh1k
I don’t know what’s worse: his shameless pushing of Russia’s reentry into the G8, or his lengthy promotion of his own hotel as a venue for the next G7 summit.
“Doral happens to be within Miami. It’s a city. It’s a wonderful place. It’s a very, very successful area of Florida. It’s, very importantly, only five minutes from the airport; the airport is right next door. With Doral, we have a series of magnificent buildings; we call them bungalows. They each hold from 50 to 70 very luxurious rooms with magnificent views. We have incredible conference rooms, incredible restaurants.And they’ve done a beautiful job. They’ve really done a beautiful job. The ballrooms are among the biggest in Florida and the best. It’s brand new. Having it at that particular place, because of the way it’s set up, each country can have their own villa, or their own bungalow.”
The President of the United States of America using his closing press conference at the G7 summit to spruik his fucking bungalows.
Doral also has bed bugs.
ROFL Perfect
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:I don’t know what’s worse: his shameless pushing of Russia’s reentry into the G8, or his lengthy promotion of his own hotel as a venue for the next G7 summit.
“Doral happens to be within Miami. It’s a city. It’s a wonderful place. It’s a very, very successful area of Florida. It’s, very importantly, only five minutes from the airport; the airport is right next door. With Doral, we have a series of magnificent buildings; we call them bungalows. They each hold from 50 to 70 very luxurious rooms with magnificent views. We have incredible conference rooms, incredible restaurants.And they’ve done a beautiful job. They’ve really done a beautiful job. The ballrooms are among the biggest in Florida and the best. It’s brand new. Having it at that particular place, because of the way it’s set up, each country can have their own villa, or their own bungalow.”
The President of the United States of America using his closing press conference at the G7 summit to spruik his fucking bungalows.
Doral also has bed bugs.
ROFL Perfect
i would not have known about Doral and the bed bugs if Trump had not brought it up. And seeing that we know Trump lies, we know there are bed bugs.
The USA does have a problem with bed bugs. It isn’t just Doral. It is a problem whereever travellers to the USA go. My sister experienced a pretty serious bed bug reaction on one of her recent cruises.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:Doral also has bed bugs.
ROFL Perfect
i would not have known about Doral and the bed bugs if Trump had not brought it up. And seeing that we know Trump lies, we know there are bed bugs.
The USA does have a problem with bed bugs. It isn’t just Doral. It is a problem whereever travellers to the USA go. My sister experienced a pretty serious bed bug reaction on one of her recent cruises.
ew
damn. he is good at putting bed bugs and doral at the top of a google search.
Pages of it.
Following President Donald Trump’s impassioned sales pitch for hosting the 2020 Group of Seven (G-7) summit at the Trump National Doral Golf Club in Miami, the president on Tuesday found himself defending the Trump-owned property from allegations of bed bug infestations. Despite his claim that rumors about bedbugs were part of a “Radical Left” plot to spread false information about the property, the Doral Golf Club settled a lawsuit with a patron over bed bugs just two years ago.
“No bedbugs at Doral. The Radical Left Democrats, upon hearing that the perfectly located (for the next G-7) Doral National MIAMI was under consideration for the next G-7, spread that false and nasty rumor. Not nice!” Trump tweeted Tuesday morning.
But these claims are belied by a 2017 legal settlement reached between Trump’s Doral Golf Club and a New Jersey businessman who sued the establishment in 2016. In the lawsuit, Eric Linder stated that his back, face, and arms were “devoured by voracious bed bugs” while staying at the resort’s $300 per-night Jack Nicklaus villa, resulting in “welts, lumps, spots on his face, neck, and arm.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-claims-doral-bedbugs-nasty-rumor-despite-2017-legal-settlement-over-bedbugs/
Damn. My sister only got her room changed and some compensation for the clothes they shrank while they were cleaning all of her belongings.
>>>
The Doral resort, meanwhile, is pulling in less revenue— and Forbes estimates it’s worth $26 million less over the last year and a half. The resort has been in steep decline since Trump entered politics, largely because most of its clientele hail from the Northeast, where Trumpian politics are deeply unpopular.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/08/27/trump-defends-his-resort-over-bed-bug-claims-heres-why/#5f763d4e46ef
sarahs mum said:
damn. he is good at putting bed bugs and doral at the top of a google search.
Pages of it.Following President Donald Trump’s impassioned sales pitch for hosting the 2020 Group of Seven (G-7) summit at the Trump National Doral Golf Club in Miami, the president on Tuesday found himself defending the Trump-owned property from allegations of bed bug infestations. Despite his claim that rumors about bedbugs were part of a “Radical Left” plot to spread false information about the property, the Doral Golf Club settled a lawsuit with a patron over bed bugs just two years ago.
“No bedbugs at Doral. The Radical Left Democrats, upon hearing that the perfectly located (for the next G-7) Doral National MIAMI was under consideration for the next G-7, spread that false and nasty rumor. Not nice!” Trump tweeted Tuesday morning.
But these claims are belied by a 2017 legal settlement reached between Trump’s Doral Golf Club and a New Jersey businessman who sued the establishment in 2016. In the lawsuit, Eric Linder stated that his back, face, and arms were “devoured by voracious bed bugs” while staying at the resort’s $300 per-night Jack Nicklaus villa, resulting in “welts, lumps, spots on his face, neck, and arm.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-claims-doral-bedbugs-nasty-rumor-despite-2017-legal-settlement-over-bedbugs/
Damn. My sister only got her room changed and some compensation for the clothes they shrank while they were cleaning all of her belongings.
>>>
The Doral resort, meanwhile, is pulling in less revenue— and Forbes estimates it’s worth $26 million less over the last year and a half. The resort has been in steep decline since Trump entered politics, largely because most of its clientele hail from the Northeast, where Trumpian politics are deeply unpopular.https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/08/27/trump-defends-his-resort-over-bed-bug-claims-heres-why/#5f763d4e46ef
Gees. Surely they could just burn the old furniture and bedding, spray the rooms with something toxic, and then put some new furniture and bedding in for world leaders to stay one weekend.

https://nysipm.cornell.edu/whats-bugging-you/bed-bugs/bed-bug-faqs/
And then there’s delusory parasitosis—meaning the bugs really are gone, but you can’t shake the feeling that they’re still there.)
——
And you can get that on a google search.
Woman coming up now on Mastermind who’s special subject is Donald Trump’s presidency.
Peak Warming Man said:
Woman coming up now on Mastermind who’s special subject is Donald Trump’s presidency.
fuck off.
sarahs mum said:
LOL
Peak Warming Man said:
Woman coming up now on Mastermind who’s special subject is Donald Trump’s presidency.
She wasn’t very good..
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Woman coming up now on Mastermind who’s special subject is Donald Trump’s presidency.
She wasn’t very good..
Correct.

sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Woman coming up now on Mastermind who’s special subject is Donald Trump’s presidency.
She wasn’t very good..
That’s okay, neither is he
JudgeMental said:
I almost believe that.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Woman coming up now on Mastermind who’s special subject is Donald Trump’s presidency.
She wasn’t very good..
That’s okay, neither is he
He might be able to get the name of his son in law right.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:She wasn’t very good..
That’s okay, neither is he
He might be able to get the name of his son in law right.
Holy shit.
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
I almost believe that.
It’s a bit of a distinction without much difference, Anschluss. Same shenanigans fucked over Poland.
Can anyone access You Tube ?
Seems to be down here.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Can anyone access You Tube ?Seems to be down here.
fine here
AwesomeO said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
I almost believe that.
It’s a bit of a distinction without much difference, Anschluss. Same shenanigans fucked over Poland.
Something I didn’t know much about until last night (and which doesn’t get much coverage) was Romania’s role as one of the Axis powers. They were Germany’s biggest ally on the Eastern Front, and killed some quarter of a million Romanian jews.
dv said:
AwesomeO said:
Michael V said:I almost believe that.
It’s a bit of a distinction without much difference, Anschluss. Same shenanigans fucked over Poland.
Something I didn’t know much about until last night (and which doesn’t get much coverage) was Romania’s role as one of the Axis powers. They were Germany’s biggest ally on the Eastern Front, and killed some quarter of a million Romanian jews.
They didn’t have much choice, it was Russia or Germany, but yeah, they were pretty enthusiastic about killing Jews, but a lot of middle European countries were like that.
AwesomeO said:
dv said:
AwesomeO said:It’s a bit of a distinction without much difference, Anschluss. Same shenanigans fucked over Poland.
Something I didn’t know much about until last night (and which doesn’t get much coverage) was Romania’s role as one of the Axis powers. They were Germany’s biggest ally on the Eastern Front, and killed some quarter of a million Romanian jews.
They didn’t have much choice, it was Russia or Germany, but yeah, they were pretty enthusiastic about killing Jews, but a lot of middle European countries were like that.
Fuck, you didn’t even have to be part of the Axis powers or be middle European to get all enthusiastic about that. The French managed to round up plenty.
sibeen said:
AwesomeO said:
dv said:Something I didn’t know much about until last night (and which doesn’t get much coverage) was Romania’s role as one of the Axis powers. They were Germany’s biggest ally on the Eastern Front, and killed some quarter of a million Romanian jews.
They didn’t have much choice, it was Russia or Germany, but yeah, they were pretty enthusiastic about killing Jews, but a lot of middle European countries were like that.
Fuck, you didn’t even have to be part of the Axis powers or be middle European to get all enthusiastic about that. The French managed to round up plenty.
I think maybe the Dutch were the only ones (and the Vatican) that managed some pushback.
The Danes managed to get most of their Jewish people out of the country, though I suppose having ready access to the North Sea helps.
dv said:
The Danes managed to get most of their Jewish people out of the country, though I suppose having ready access to the North Sea helps.
The French managed to get most of their’s out as well…oh, wait.
dv said:
The Danes managed to get most of their Jewish people out of the country, though I suppose having ready access to the North Sea helps.
Well the poms made sure Niels Bohr got out at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f8S5u01E0Y
This song was done under Bush II. What would she do with the song now days.
American wiz quiz I Funny and ignorant Americans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9db_AtD5QKo
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f8S5u01E0YThis song was done under Bush II. What would she do with the song now days.
This one was apparently written for GW Bush too, to mark him leaving office.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFE6qQ3ySXE
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f8S5u01E0YThis song was done under Bush II. What would she do with the song now days.
This one was apparently written for GW Bush too, to mark him leaving office.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFE6qQ3ySXE
Well, that’s a bit rude.
A number of scholars see increasing inequality arising out of neoliberal policies as a deliberate effort, rather than a consequence of ulterior motives like increasing economic growth. Marxist economic geographer David Harvey describes neoliberalism as a “class project” “carried out by the corporate capitalist class”, and argued in his book A Brief History of Neoliberalism that neoliberalism is designed to increase the class power of economic elites. Economists Gérard Duménil and Dominique Lévy posit that “the restoration and increase of the power, income, and wealth of the upper classes” are the primary objectives of the neoliberal agenda. Economist David M. Kotz contends that neoliberalism “is based on the thorough domination of labor by capital”.:43 Sociologist Thomas Volscho argues that the imposition of neoliberalism in the United States arose from a conscious political mobilization by capitalist elites in the 1970s, who faced two self-described crises: the legitimacy of capitalism and a falling rate of profitability in industry. In The Global Gamble, Peter Gowan argued that “neoliberalism” was not only a free-market ideology but “a social engineering project”. Globally, it meant opening a state’s political economy to products and financial flows from the core countries. Domestically, neoliberalism meant remaking of social relations “in favour of creditor and rentier interests, with the subordination of the productive sector to financial sectors, and a drive to shift wealth, power and security away from the bulk of the working population.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/28/media/trump-attacks-fox/index.html
Trump thinks Fox News isn’t doing enough to promote his presidency
President Trump took his complaints about Fox News, his biggest bastion of support on television, to a new level on Wednesday, claiming that the network “isn’t working for us anymore.”
His tweets made explicit Trump’s long-held belief that Fox belongs to him and his supporters. Despite daily cheerleading from “Fox & Friends” in the morning all the way until “The Ingraham Angle” at night, Trump suggests that the network is not sufficiently loyal to him.
“We have to start looking for a new News Outlet,” he tweeted on Wednesday, inadvertently lending credence to critics’ claims that Fox is akin to state-run TV.
In the past Trump has promoted a much smaller conservative channel, OANN, which has positioned itself as a friendlier network to Trump.
He didn’t mention OANN on Wednesday, but he seemed to be working the refs by slamming Fox for interviewing a Democratic party spokeswoman.
The network had a White House spokesman on the air just a few minutes later — but evidently that’s not good enough for Trump.
The president has lodged complaints about Fox more than a dozen times this year, oftentimes when he sees Democratic candidates and analysts on the air.
His tweets appear to be an intensifying pressure campaign to keep the network “in line,” so to speak.
Last week he also commented to members of the media that “Fox is a lot different than it used to be.” He said conspiratorially that “there’s something going on at Fox, I’ll tell you right now, and I’m not happy about it.”
rump then listed off some of his previous grievances about Fox, including the existence of Shep Smith’s 3 p.m. newscast and the presence of liberal commentators Donna Brazile and Juan Williams.
He called Fox “HOPELESS & CLUELESS” and said “they should go all the way LEFT and I will still find a way to Win – That’s what I do, Win. Too Bad! I don’t want to Win for myself, I only want to Win for the people. The New @FoxNews is letting millions of GREAT people down! We have to start looking for a new News Outlet. Fox isn’t working for us anymore!”
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/28/media/trump-attacks-fox/index.htmlTrump thinks Fox News isn’t doing enough to promote his presidency
President Trump took his complaints about Fox News, his biggest bastion of support on television, to a new level on Wednesday, claiming that the network “isn’t working for us anymore.”
His tweets made explicit Trump’s long-held belief that Fox belongs to him and his supporters. Despite daily cheerleading from “Fox & Friends” in the morning all the way until “The Ingraham Angle” at night, Trump suggests that the network is not sufficiently loyal to him.
“We have to start looking for a new News Outlet,” he tweeted on Wednesday, inadvertently lending credence to critics’ claims that Fox is akin to state-run TV.
In the past Trump has promoted a much smaller conservative channel, OANN, which has positioned itself as a friendlier network to Trump.He didn’t mention OANN on Wednesday, but he seemed to be working the refs by slamming Fox for interviewing a Democratic party spokeswoman.
The network had a White House spokesman on the air just a few minutes later — but evidently that’s not good enough for Trump.
The president has lodged complaints about Fox more than a dozen times this year, oftentimes when he sees Democratic candidates and analysts on the air.
His tweets appear to be an intensifying pressure campaign to keep the network “in line,” so to speak.Last week he also commented to members of the media that “Fox is a lot different than it used to be.” He said conspiratorially that “there’s something going on at Fox, I’ll tell you right now, and I’m not happy about it.”
rump then listed off some of his previous grievances about Fox, including the existence of Shep Smith’s 3 p.m. newscast and the presence of liberal commentators Donna Brazile and Juan Williams.
He called Fox “HOPELESS & CLUELESS” and said “they should go all the way LEFT and I will still find a way to Win – That’s what I do, Win. Too Bad! I don’t want to Win for myself, I only want to Win for the people. The New @FoxNews is letting millions of GREAT people down! We have to start looking for a new News Outlet. Fox isn’t working for us anymore!”
“rump then listed”
LOL
“Rump” – the new name. Perfect. Arsehole.
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/28/media/trump-attacks-fox/index.htmlTrump thinks Fox News isn’t doing enough to promote his presidency
President Trump took his complaints about Fox News, his biggest bastion of support on television, to a new level on Wednesday, claiming that the network “isn’t working for us anymore.”
His tweets made explicit Trump’s long-held belief that Fox belongs to him and his supporters. Despite daily cheerleading from “Fox & Friends” in the morning all the way until “The Ingraham Angle” at night, Trump suggests that the network is not sufficiently loyal to him.
“We have to start looking for a new News Outlet,” he tweeted on Wednesday, inadvertently lending credence to critics’ claims that Fox is akin to state-run TV.
In the past Trump has promoted a much smaller conservative channel, OANN, which has positioned itself as a friendlier network to Trump.He didn’t mention OANN on Wednesday, but he seemed to be working the refs by slamming Fox for interviewing a Democratic party spokeswoman.
The network had a White House spokesman on the air just a few minutes later — but evidently that’s not good enough for Trump.
The president has lodged complaints about Fox more than a dozen times this year, oftentimes when he sees Democratic candidates and analysts on the air.
His tweets appear to be an intensifying pressure campaign to keep the network “in line,” so to speak.Last week he also commented to members of the media that “Fox is a lot different than it used to be.” He said conspiratorially that “there’s something going on at Fox, I’ll tell you right now, and I’m not happy about it.”
rump then listed off some of his previous grievances about Fox, including the existence of Shep Smith’s 3 p.m. newscast and the presence of liberal commentators Donna Brazile and Juan Williams.
He called Fox “HOPELESS & CLUELESS” and said “they should go all the way LEFT and I will still find a way to Win – That’s what I do, Win. Too Bad! I don’t want to Win for myself, I only want to Win for the people. The New @FoxNews is letting millions of GREAT people down! We have to start looking for a new News Outlet. Fox isn’t working for us anymore!”
it isn’t OANN it is ONAN
Former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis makes thinly veiled attack on the President
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgtYO3Yb66o
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-hard-to-know-what-kind-of-damage-trumps-primary-challengers-can-do/
Trump Isn’t In Danger Of Losing The Primary, But All These Challengers Could Still Have An Impact.
dv said:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-hard-to-know-what-kind-of-damage-trumps-primary-challengers-can-do/Trump Isn’t In Danger Of Losing The Primary, But All These Challengers Could Still Have An Impact.
Tulsi Gabbard has missed out on the Dems debate, so that’s probably her done.
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-hard-to-know-what-kind-of-damage-trumps-primary-challengers-can-do/Trump Isn’t In Danger Of Losing The Primary, But All These Challengers Could Still Have An Impact.
Tulsi Gabbard has missed out on the Dems debate, so that’s probably her done.
Aye.
But t’article is about Republican challengers
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-hard-to-know-what-kind-of-damage-trumps-primary-challengers-can-do/Trump Isn’t In Danger Of Losing The Primary, But All These Challengers Could Still Have An Impact.
Tulsi Gabbard has missed out on the Dems debate, so that’s probably her done.
Aye.
But t’article is about Republican challengers
Yeah, read the article. Basically the answer to the headline statement is no. Christ, he boasted about grabbing pussy and it didn’t hurt him.
Fox News’s Neil Cavuto responds to Trump’s criticism: We don’t work for you
The assessment of former and current US intelligent agents is that the explanations for Trump’s G7 performance is that he is either a direct Russian asset or a “useful idiot”.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/spies-react-trump-g7-summit-russian-asset-2019-8?fbclid=IwAR1_ArgYp_fX4NiwtixuWZemcIxD0PorWJa5cesx5C34DqHkLVy7nbsSUh0&r=US&IR=T
Some highlights:
John Sipher, a former CIA clandestine operative who spent 28 years at the agency, told Insider of Trump’s G7 attendance, “If it weren’t for his constant shocking behaviour and comments that have dulled our senses, this would register as one of the worst diplomatic blunders in years.”
A former senior Justice Department official, who worked closely with the former special counsel Robert Mueller when he was FBI director, didn’t mince words when reacting to Trump’s performance at the G7 summit: “We have a Russian asset sitting in the Oval Office.” “There is no fathomable explanation for why the president said these things,” the former official said. “Letting Russia off the hook for bullying smaller countries and then blaming Obama for it? It’s directly out of the Putin playbook.”
Glenn Carle, a former CIA covert operative and frequent Trump critic, told Insider there’s been “no question” in his mind for years that the president is behaving like “a spy for the Russians.”
“The evidence is so overwhelming that in my 35 years in intelligence, I have never seen anything so certain,” Carle said, adding that he’s spoken with several intelligence veterans about the matter in the four years since Trump first launched his presidential campaign, many of whom believe Trump’s actions are a threat to national security.
“Intelligence assets become convinced to be spies for multiple reasons,” Carle, who specialised in getting foreign spies to become turncoats when he was at the CIA, said in an earlier interview with Insider. “It might start with kompromat or financial hooks, and the asset may be convinced he is acting as a patriot until he becomes accustomed to his role.”
Frank Montoya Jr., a recently retired FBI special agent, told Insider “it’s hard not to think the Russians have an asset in the White House.” But he added that Trump’s erratic behaviour and his freewheeling and often false statements imply he’s “not playing with a full deck on any matter of state these days.”
“Still, those same delusions are what give me pause when conclusions are reached about the likelihood he is a Russian asset,” Montoya said. “Useful idiot is more like it.”
Robert Deitz, a former top lawyer at the CIA and the National Security Agency, agreed that Trump was catering to Putin’s interests, but he disagreed on why.
“I think what’s going on right now is an Occam’s razor scenario,” he told Insider, referring to the philosophical theory that the simplest explanation for an event is often the correct one.
“Trump wants to do deals with Russia when he leaves the presidency,” Deitz said. “We already know he was interested in building a Trump Tower in Moscow before and during the election. The best way of doing a deal with Putin is to be nice to him, so I think what Trump is doing is currying favour.”
Not directly Trump related, but Trump makes it all the more surprising, so I’ll post it here:
I learned this morning (from New Scientist) that 50 years ago there was a move in the USA to introduce a universal wage, to counter the effects of automation on the supply of jobs.
It was proposed by Richard Nixon, and voted down by the Democrats.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Not directly Trump related, but Trump makes it all the more surprising, so I’ll post it here:I learned this morning (from New Scientist) that 50 years ago there was a move in the USA to introduce a universal wage, to counter the effects of automation on the supply of jobs.
It was proposed by Richard Nixon, and voted down by the Democrats.
The TATE article suggests that it was a little more complicated than the NS article suggested, nonetheless, still pretty surprising from someone who is remembered as a hard-line Republican.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaranteed_minimum_income#United_States
The Rev Dodgson said:
Not directly Trump related, but Trump makes it all the more surprising, so I’ll post it here:I learned this morning (from New Scientist) that 50 years ago there was a move in the USA to introduce a universal wage, to counter the effects of automation on the supply of jobs.
It was proposed by Richard Nixon, and voted down by the Democrats.
I think people are generally unaware how rapidly the Republicans deteriorated between Ford and Reagan.
https://daily.jstor.org/when-welfare-reform-meant-expanding-benefits/
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Not directly Trump related, but Trump makes it all the more surprising, so I’ll post it here:I learned this morning (from New Scientist) that 50 years ago there was a move in the USA to introduce a universal wage, to counter the effects of automation on the supply of jobs.
It was proposed by Richard Nixon, and voted down by the Democrats.
The TATE article suggests that it was a little more complicated than the NS article suggested, nonetheless, still pretty surprising from someone who is remembered as a hard-line Republican.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaranteed_minimum_income#United_States
Nixon was not especially hard line. There would be no place for someone with his moderate, reasonable values in the modern Republican Party.
I’ll just post what I posted on the 20th anniversary of his death:We should take the occasion of the 20th anniversary of Richard Nixon’s death to reflect on his presidential legacy.
He came to office at a time when the Vietnam War that President Kennedy started had been dangerously escalated by President Johnson, with 15000 US soldiers dying every year and a massively unpopular conscription program in place. In his first year of presidency, Nixon began winding back the involvement of US troops, with staged withdrawals following the training of South Vietnamese troops. In his first term, he ended conscription and early in his second term, the Paris Peace Accords were signed, signalling the end of military action by the USA in Vietnam.
He backed the successful Equal Rights Amendment, which put equal rights for women into the Constitution, and supported the USA’s first affirmative action program, restricting government contracts to companies that hired quotas of minorities. He abandoned the gold standard in favour of a floating fiat currency. Nixon saw federal money allocated to provide incentives for racial integration of schools. He initiated the Environmental Protection Agency, the Occupational Health and Safety Admin and the Clean Air Act. Nixon supported legislated to broaden and strengthen Medicaid and other public health insurance initiatives.
When he was first elected, relations between China, the Soviet Union and the USA were, at best, icy, at worst, bellicose. Through personal diplomacy with Brezhnev and Mao, Nixon greatly improved these relationships and in this way made the world a safer place. He also put into place a cooperative space program between NASA and the Soviet program, which brought about the Apollo-Soyuz project.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Not directly Trump related, but Trump makes it all the more surprising, so I’ll post it here:I learned this morning (from New Scientist) that 50 years ago there was a move in the USA to introduce a universal wage, to counter the effects of automation on the supply of jobs.
It was proposed by Richard Nixon, and voted down by the Democrats.
The TATE article suggests that it was a little more complicated than the NS article suggested, nonetheless, still pretty surprising from someone who is remembered as a hard-line Republican.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaranteed_minimum_income#United_StatesNixon was not especially hard line. There would be no place for someone with his moderate, reasonable values in the modern Republican Party.
I’ll just post what I posted on the 20th anniversary of his death:We should take the occasion of the 20th anniversary of Richard Nixon’s death to reflect on his presidential legacy.
He came to office at a time when the Vietnam War that President Kennedy started had been dangerously escalated by President Johnson, with 15000 US soldiers dying every year and a massively unpopular conscription program in place. In his first year of presidency, Nixon began winding back the involvement of US troops, with staged withdrawals following the training of South Vietnamese troops. In his first term, he ended conscription and early in his second term, the Paris Peace Accords were signed, signalling the end of military action by the USA in Vietnam.
He backed the successful Equal Rights Amendment, which put equal rights for women into the Constitution, and supported the USA’s first affirmative action program, restricting government contracts to companies that hired quotas of minorities. He abandoned the gold standard in favour of a floating fiat currency. Nixon saw federal money allocated to provide incentives for racial integration of schools. He initiated the Environmental Protection Agency, the Occupational Health and Safety Admin and the Clean Air Act. Nixon supported legislated to broaden and strengthen Medicaid and other public health insurance initiatives.
When he was first elected, relations between China, the Soviet Union and the USA were, at best, icy, at worst, bellicose. Through personal diplomacy with Brezhnev and Mao, Nixon greatly improved these relationships and in this way made the world a safer place. He also put into place a cooperative space program between NASA and the Soviet program, which brought about the Apollo-Soyuz project.
Thanks for that.
So in many ways about as un-Trumpish as you can get.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Nixon was not especially hard line. There would be no place for someone with his moderate, reasonable values in the modern Republican Party.
I’ll just post what I posted on the 20th anniversary of his death:We should take the occasion of the 20th anniversary of Richard Nixon’s death to reflect on his presidential legacy.
He came to office at a time when the Vietnam War that President Kennedy started had been dangerously escalated by President Johnson, with 15000 US soldiers dying every year and a massively unpopular conscription program in place. In his first year of presidency, Nixon began winding back the involvement of US troops, with staged withdrawals following the training of South Vietnamese troops. In his first term, he ended conscription and early in his second term, the Paris Peace Accords were signed, signalling the end of military action by the USA in Vietnam.
He backed the successful Equal Rights Amendment, which put equal rights for women into the Constitution, and supported the USA’s first affirmative action program, restricting government contracts to companies that hired quotas of minorities. He abandoned the gold standard in favour of a floating fiat currency. Nixon saw federal money allocated to provide incentives for racial integration of schools. He initiated the Environmental Protection Agency, the Occupational Health and Safety Admin and the Clean Air Act. Nixon supported legislated to broaden and strengthen Medicaid and other public health insurance initiatives.
When he was first elected, relations between China, the Soviet Union and the USA were, at best, icy, at worst, bellicose. Through personal diplomacy with Brezhnev and Mao, Nixon greatly improved these relationships and in this way made the world a safer place. He also put into place a cooperative space program between NASA and the Soviet program, which brought about the Apollo-Soyuz project.
Thanks for that.
So in many ways about as un-Trumpish as you can get.
The only thing they’ve got in common is obstruction of justice, and really Nixon is small potatoes in that regard. He obstructed justice to cover up a break-in of a hotel room, not a massive cooperation with a foreign power.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Thanks for that.
So in many ways about as un-Trumpish as you can get.
The only thing they’ve got in common is obstruction of justice, and really Nixon is small potatoes in that regard. He obstructed justice to cover up a break-in of a hotel room, not a massive cooperation with a foreign power.
I wouldn’t call the ALP a foreign power as such but anyway they have paid their fine and it’s over and done with now.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Thanks for that.
So in many ways about as un-Trumpish as you can get.
The only thing they’ve got in common is obstruction of justice, and really Nixon is small potatoes in that regard. He obstructed justice to cover up a break-in of a hotel room, not a massive cooperation with a foreign power.
I wouldn’t call the ALP a foreign power as such but anyway they have paid their fine and it’s over and done with now.
Well Australia is certainly foreign, and the Labor Party do have some power, but I suspect dv had a different foreign power in mind.
(What did Trump get up to with the ALP btw? I’ve forgotten).
Donald Trump says he has ‘never even heard of a Category 5’ hurricane
US President Donald Trump has told officials he doesn’t think he has ever heard of a Category 5 hurricane despite four threatening the country during his presidency.
“I’m not sure that I’ve ever even heard of a Category 5, I knew it existed,” he said, speaking to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).
“A Category 5 is something, that I’m not even sure I’ve heard the term, other than I know it, it’s there. That’s the ultimate, and that’s what we have, unfortunately”
Four Category 5 storms – Irma, Maria, Michael and now Dorian – have hit or come close to the US since November 2016, when Mr Trump took over the White House.
—
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/donald-trump-says-he-has-never-even-heard-of-a-category-5-hurricane
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump says he has ‘never even heard of a Category 5’ hurricaneUS President Donald Trump has told officials he doesn’t think he has ever heard of a Category 5 hurricane despite four threatening the country during his presidency.
“I’m not sure that I’ve ever even heard of a Category 5, I knew it existed,” he said, speaking to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).
“A Category 5 is something, that I’m not even sure I’ve heard the term, other than I know it, it’s there. That’s the ultimate, and that’s what we have, unfortunately”
Four Category 5 storms – Irma, Maria, Michael and now Dorian – have hit or come close to the US since November 2016, when Mr Trump took over the White House.
—
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/donald-trump-says-he-has-never-even-heard-of-a-category-5-hurricane
He’s getting forgetful, too much rubbish coming in and out must be effecting his memories.
He will forget who he is soon and mix himself up in made up stories created from different memories.
This effect is spreading across the American Government, its in the white house now and else where Joe Biden has it, Trump has it, others have it.
It could be the Russians again, some sort of virus that randomly mixes up memories to form new stories..
It will get worse.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump says he has ‘never even heard of a Category 5’ hurricaneUS President Donald Trump has told officials he doesn’t think he has ever heard of a Category 5 hurricane despite four threatening the country during his presidency.
“I’m not sure that I’ve ever even heard of a Category 5, I knew it existed,” he said, speaking to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).
“A Category 5 is something, that I’m not even sure I’ve heard the term, other than I know it, it’s there. That’s the ultimate, and that’s what we have, unfortunately”
Four Category 5 storms – Irma, Maria, Michael and now Dorian – have hit or come close to the US since November 2016, when Mr Trump took over the White House.
—
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/donald-trump-says-he-has-never-even-heard-of-a-category-5-hurricane
He’s getting forgetful, too much rubbish coming in and out must be effecting his memories.
He will forget who he is soon and mix himself up in made up stories created from different memories.
This effect is spreading across the American Government, its in the white house now and else where Joe Biden has it, Trump has it, others have it.
It could be the Russians again, some sort of virus that randomly mixes up memories to form new stories..
It will get worse.
Or it could be simple dementia setting in.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump says he has ‘never even heard of a Category 5’ hurricaneUS President Donald Trump has told officials he doesn’t think he has ever heard of a Category 5 hurricane despite four threatening the country during his presidency.
“I’m not sure that I’ve ever even heard of a Category 5, I knew it existed,” he said, speaking to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).
“A Category 5 is something, that I’m not even sure I’ve heard the term, other than I know it, it’s there. That’s the ultimate, and that’s what we have, unfortunately”
Four Category 5 storms – Irma, Maria, Michael and now Dorian – have hit or come close to the US since November 2016, when Mr Trump took over the White House.
—
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/donald-trump-says-he-has-never-even-heard-of-a-category-5-hurricane
He’s getting forgetful, too much rubbish coming in and out must be effecting his memories.
He will forget who he is soon and mix himself up in made up stories created from different memories.
This effect is spreading across the American Government, its in the white house now and else where Joe Biden has it, Trump has it, others have it.
It could be the Russians again, some sort of virus that randomly mixes up memories to form new stories..
It will get worse.
Or it could be simple dementia setting in.
He was never very together. It is all spin.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump says he has ‘never even heard of a Category 5’ hurricaneUS President Donald Trump has told officials he doesn’t think he has ever heard of a Category 5 hurricane despite four threatening the country during his presidency.
“I’m not sure that I’ve ever even heard of a Category 5, I knew it existed,” he said, speaking to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).
“A Category 5 is something, that I’m not even sure I’ve heard the term, other than I know it, it’s there. That’s the ultimate, and that’s what we have, unfortunately”
Four Category 5 storms – Irma, Maria, Michael and now Dorian – have hit or come close to the US since November 2016, when Mr Trump took over the White House.
—
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/donald-trump-says-he-has-never-even-heard-of-a-category-5-hurricane
He’s getting forgetful, too much rubbish coming in and out must be effecting his memories.
He will forget who he is soon and mix himself up in made up stories created from different memories.
This effect is spreading across the American Government, its in the white house now and else where Joe Biden has it, Trump has it, others have it.
It could be the Russians again, some sort of virus that randomly mixes up memories to form new stories..
It will get worse.
Or it could be simple dementia setting in.
They survived 8 years of Reagan.
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump says he has ‘never even heard of a Category 5’ hurricaneUS President Donald Trump has told officials he doesn’t think he has ever heard of a Category 5 hurricane despite four threatening the country during his presidency.
“I’m not sure that I’ve ever even heard of a Category 5, I knew it existed,” he said, speaking to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).
“A Category 5 is something, that I’m not even sure I’ve heard the term, other than I know it, it’s there. That’s the ultimate, and that’s what we have, unfortunately”
Four Category 5 storms – Irma, Maria, Michael and now Dorian – have hit or come close to the US since November 2016, when Mr Trump took over the White House.
—
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/donald-trump-says-he-has-never-even-heard-of-a-category-5-hurricane
but surely no-one knows more about hurricanes than he does…

Yale forensic psychiatrist on Trump and Mueller report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS8k93rbJjI
sarahs mum said:
Yale forensic psychiatrist on Trump and Mueller reporthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS8k93rbJjI
Reckon Trump will use forgetfulness to avoid any punishment.?
Clive Palmers trick.
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump says he has ‘never even heard of a Category 5’ hurricaneUS President Donald Trump has told officials he doesn’t think he has ever heard of a Category 5 hurricane despite four threatening the country during his presidency.
“I’m not sure that I’ve ever even heard of a Category 5, I knew it existed,” he said, speaking to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).
“A Category 5 is something, that I’m not even sure I’ve heard the term, other than I know it, it’s there. That’s the ultimate, and that’s what we have, unfortunately”
Four Category 5 storms – Irma, Maria, Michael and now Dorian – have hit or come close to the US since November 2016, when Mr Trump took over the White House.
—
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/donald-trump-says-he-has-never-even-heard-of-a-category-5-hurricane
but surely no-one knows more about hurricanes than he does…
By the time it hits the US, Trump will be saying it’s category 11.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Yale forensic psychiatrist on Trump and Mueller reporthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS8k93rbJjI
Reckon Trump will use forgetfulness to avoid any punishment.?
Clive Palmers trick.
Being pardoned by whoever is the next president seems likely. Can’t have everyone pulling apart all the nitty gritty.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-02/beto-orourke-gun-control-speech-new-unofficial-campaign-slogan/11470948
“We don’t know how many have been killed. We don’t know the motivation. But here’s what we do know: This is f***ed up.”
“We’re averaging about 300 mass shootings a year. No other country comes close, so yes, this is f***ed up,” he said.
“If we don’t call it out for what it is, if we’re not able to speak clearly, if we’re not able to act decisively, then we’ll continue to have this kind of bloodshed in America, and I cannot accept that.”
“If you’re angrier about a swear word than a baby being shot in the face, consider your choices.”
Nods.

Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-02/beto-orourke-gun-control-speech-new-unofficial-campaign-slogan/11470948“We don’t know how many have been killed. We don’t know the motivation. But here’s what we do know: This is f***ed up.”
“We’re averaging about 300 mass shootings a year. No other country comes close, so yes, this is f***ed up,” he said.
“If we don’t call it out for what it is, if we’re not able to speak clearly, if we’re not able to act decisively, then we’ll continue to have this kind of bloodshed in America, and I cannot accept that.”
“If you’re angrier about a swear word than a baby being shot in the face, consider your choices.”
Nods.
always quick to jump onto a mechandising opportunity, those Americans.
lol
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/02/politics/trump-hurricane-dorian-false-claims-alabama/index.html
Trump claimed Dorian could hit Alabama — even after weather service refuted it
dv said:
lol
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/02/politics/trump-hurricane-dorian-false-claims-alabama/index.html
Trump claimed Dorian could hit Alabama — even after weather service refuted it
Speaking of tomatoes….mr kii bought a large punnet of Canadian toms. We usually have Mexico or California tomatoes. Hmmmmmm
I am growing some but, it’s mainly an exercise in enjoying a garden of green things and not dead winterscapes. The garden forms a food source and a hidey space for lizards, I think a squirrel may also be snacking on them.
The tomatoes from Canadia are very tasty.
Woodie said:
Here ya go. Put it here. There’s no escaping it.I just want a Donald Trump free day. Not too much to ask is it?
Currently I live this: fear of being killed etc.
Amongst other issues I pushed for same sex marriage equality in Oz, I have been beating social justice drums a smidgen longer than you.
Maybe think that I might love a DT-free place to live.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/trump-congratulates-poland-on-anniversary-of-nazi-invasion.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=fb&fbclid=IwAR2I9VxiA4vHcyVh3HlVz2C2bg0npAwsIaldqvXUMXNKErkId583Tbi77Dc
REPORTER: “Do you have a message for Poland on the 80th anniversary of World War 2?”
TRUMP: “I do have a great message for Poland & we have Mike Pence, our vice president, is just about landing right now. I just want to congratulate Poland.”
dv said:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/trump-congratulates-poland-on-anniversary-of-nazi-invasion.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=fb&fbclid=IwAR2I9VxiA4vHcyVh3HlVz2C2bg0npAwsIaldqvXUMXNKErkId583Tbi77DcREPORTER: “Do you have a message for Poland on the 80th anniversary of World War 2?”
TRUMP: “I do have a great message for Poland & we have Mike Pence, our vice president, is just about landing right now. I just want to congratulate Poland.”
It’s the best message.
dv said:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/trump-congratulates-poland-on-anniversary-of-nazi-invasion.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=fb&fbclid=IwAR2I9VxiA4vHcyVh3HlVz2C2bg0npAwsIaldqvXUMXNKErkId583Tbi77DcREPORTER: “Do you have a message for Poland on the 80th anniversary of World War 2?”
TRUMP: “I do have a great message for Poland & we have Mike Pence, our vice president, is just about landing right now. I just want to congratulate Poland.”
I don’t believe that quote, I don’t believe he said ampersand.
dv said:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/trump-congratulates-poland-on-anniversary-of-nazi-invasion.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=fb&fbclid=IwAR2I9VxiA4vHcyVh3HlVz2C2bg0npAwsIaldqvXUMXNKErkId583Tbi77DcREPORTER: “Do you have a message for Poland on the 80th anniversary of World War 2?”
TRUMP: “I do have a great message for Poland & we have Mike Pence, our vice president, is just about landing right now. I just want to congratulate Poland.”
You’d have to guess based on his weirdly specific reference to the number of Polish immigrants in this country, and in connection with Pence’s and his own travel plans, that the president received some sort of recent briefing about that country. Perhaps it did not occur to his staff that he needed to be reminded of what happened to Poland in the years following the German invasion that began on September 1, 1939. You know, the dismemberment of the country by the Nazis in conjunction with the USSR; the systematic murder of the Polish educated classes, a sort of warm-up act for the effort to exterminate European Jewry during the Holocaust, much of which took place on Polish soil; the incredible military and civic violence involving the Germans, the Russians, and assorted partisans that led historian Timothy Snyder to describe the area of Europe centered in Poland “the bloodlands”; and the postwar imposition of communism on Poland, along with the violent relocation of millions of the war’s survivors.
Trump was congratulating Poland on the anniversary of an event that led to the deaths of an estimated one-fifth of the nation’s prewar population, and marked the beginning of a World War in which at least 60 million people perished, including over 400,000 Americans.
Yes, I know, “congratulating” people he doesn’t know anything about is one of the president’s tics to cover his ignorance, much like his promiscuous use of modifiers like “great” or “greatest” for every phenomenon he dimly understands. But this particular example shows that the man and our nation would be better served if occasionally he just replied to some questions with: “Huh?”
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/trump-congratulates-poland-on-anniversary-of-nazi-invasion.html
dv said:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/trump-congratulates-poland-on-anniversary-of-nazi-invasion.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=fb&fbclid=IwAR2I9VxiA4vHcyVh3HlVz2C2bg0npAwsIaldqvXUMXNKErkId583Tbi77DcREPORTER: “Do you have a message for Poland on the 80th anniversary of World War 2?”
TRUMP: “I do have a great message for Poland & we have Mike Pence, our vice president, is just about landing right now. I just want to congratulate Poland.”
Shakes head.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/trump-congratulates-poland-on-anniversary-of-nazi-invasion.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=fb&fbclid=IwAR2I9VxiA4vHcyVh3HlVz2C2bg0npAwsIaldqvXUMXNKErkId583Tbi77DcREPORTER: “Do you have a message for Poland on the 80th anniversary of World War 2?”
TRUMP: “I do have a great message for Poland & we have Mike Pence, our vice president, is just about landing right now. I just want to congratulate Poland.”
You’d have to guess based on his weirdly specific reference to the number of Polish immigrants in this country, and in connection with Pence’s and his own travel plans, that the president received some sort of recent briefing about that country. Perhaps it did not occur to his staff that he needed to be reminded of what happened to Poland in the years following the German invasion that began on September 1, 1939. You know, the dismemberment of the country by the Nazis in conjunction with the USSR; the systematic murder of the Polish educated classes, a sort of warm-up act for the effort to exterminate European Jewry during the Holocaust, much of which took place on Polish soil; the incredible military and civic violence involving the Germans, the Russians, and assorted partisans that led historian Timothy Snyder to describe the area of Europe centered in Poland “the bloodlands”; and the postwar imposition of communism on Poland, along with the violent relocation of millions of the war’s survivors.
Trump was congratulating Poland on the anniversary of an event that led to the deaths of an estimated one-fifth of the nation’s prewar population, and marked the beginning of a World War in which at least 60 million people perished, including over 400,000 Americans.
Yes, I know, “congratulating” people he doesn’t know anything about is one of the president’s tics to cover his ignorance, much like his promiscuous use of modifiers like “great” or “greatest” for every phenomenon he dimly understands. But this particular example shows that the man and our nation would be better served if occasionally he just replied to some questions with: “Huh?”http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/trump-congratulates-poland-on-anniversary-of-nazi-invasion.html
Perhaps he was congratulating them on second prize: Pence.
I mean, he could have sent no-one.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/trump-congratulates-poland-on-anniversary-of-nazi-invasion.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=fb&fbclid=IwAR2I9VxiA4vHcyVh3HlVz2C2bg0npAwsIaldqvXUMXNKErkId583Tbi77DcREPORTER: “Do you have a message for Poland on the 80th anniversary of World War 2?”
TRUMP: “I do have a great message for Poland & we have Mike Pence, our vice president, is just about landing right now. I just want to congratulate Poland.”
You’d have to guess based on his weirdly specific reference to the number of Polish immigrants in this country, and in connection with Pence’s and his own travel plans, that the president received some sort of recent briefing about that country. Perhaps it did not occur to his staff that he needed to be reminded of what happened to Poland in the years following the German invasion that began on September 1, 1939. You know, the dismemberment of the country by the Nazis in conjunction with the USSR; the systematic murder of the Polish educated classes, a sort of warm-up act for the effort to exterminate European Jewry during the Holocaust, much of which took place on Polish soil; the incredible military and civic violence involving the Germans, the Russians, and assorted partisans that led historian Timothy Snyder to describe the area of Europe centered in Poland “the bloodlands”; and the postwar imposition of communism on Poland, along with the violent relocation of millions of the war’s survivors.
Trump was congratulating Poland on the anniversary of an event that led to the deaths of an estimated one-fifth of the nation’s prewar population, and marked the beginning of a World War in which at least 60 million people perished, including over 400,000 Americans.
Yes, I know, “congratulating” people he doesn’t know anything about is one of the president’s tics to cover his ignorance, much like his promiscuous use of modifiers like “great” or “greatest” for every phenomenon he dimly understands. But this particular example shows that the man and our nation would be better served if occasionally he just replied to some questions with: “Huh?”http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/trump-congratulates-poland-on-anniversary-of-nazi-invasion.html
Perhaps he was congratulating them on second prize: Pence.
I mean, he could have sent no-one.
Pence is going alright, he hasn’t been sacked yet, should see out his whole term unless he becomes an expence.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:You’d have to guess based on his weirdly specific reference to the number of Polish immigrants in this country, and in connection with Pence’s and his own travel plans, that the president received some sort of recent briefing about that country. Perhaps it did not occur to his staff that he needed to be reminded of what happened to Poland in the years following the German invasion that began on September 1, 1939. You know, the dismemberment of the country by the Nazis in conjunction with the USSR; the systematic murder of the Polish educated classes, a sort of warm-up act for the effort to exterminate European Jewry during the Holocaust, much of which took place on Polish soil; the incredible military and civic violence involving the Germans, the Russians, and assorted partisans that led historian Timothy Snyder to describe the area of Europe centered in Poland “the bloodlands”; and the postwar imposition of communism on Poland, along with the violent relocation of millions of the war’s survivors.
Trump was congratulating Poland on the anniversary of an event that led to the deaths of an estimated one-fifth of the nation’s prewar population, and marked the beginning of a World War in which at least 60 million people perished, including over 400,000 Americans.
Yes, I know, “congratulating” people he doesn’t know anything about is one of the president’s tics to cover his ignorance, much like his promiscuous use of modifiers like “great” or “greatest” for every phenomenon he dimly understands. But this particular example shows that the man and our nation would be better served if occasionally he just replied to some questions with: “Huh?”http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/trump-congratulates-poland-on-anniversary-of-nazi-invasion.html
Perhaps he was congratulating them on second prize: Pence.
I mean, he could have sent no-one.
Pence is going alright, he hasn’t been sacked yet, should see out his whole term unless he becomes an expence.
I saw what you did there, and I laughed.
:)
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/trump-congratulates-poland-on-anniversary-of-nazi-invasion.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=fb&fbclid=IwAR2I9VxiA4vHcyVh3HlVz2C2bg0npAwsIaldqvXUMXNKErkId583Tbi77DcREPORTER: “Do you have a message for Poland on the 80th anniversary of World War 2?”
TRUMP: “I do have a great message for Poland & we have Mike Pence, our vice president, is just about landing right now. I just want to congratulate Poland.”
You’d have to guess based on his weirdly specific reference to the number of Polish immigrants in this country, and in connection with Pence’s and his own travel plans, that the president received some sort of recent briefing about that country. Perhaps it did not occur to his staff that he needed to be reminded of what happened to Poland in the years following the German invasion that began on September 1, 1939. You know, the dismemberment of the country by the Nazis in conjunction with the USSR; the systematic murder of the Polish educated classes, a sort of warm-up act for the effort to exterminate European Jewry during the Holocaust, much of which took place on Polish soil; the incredible military and civic violence involving the Germans, the Russians, and assorted partisans that led historian Timothy Snyder to describe the area of Europe centered in Poland “the bloodlands”; and the postwar imposition of communism on Poland, along with the violent relocation of millions of the war’s survivors.
Trump was congratulating Poland on the anniversary of an event that led to the deaths of an estimated one-fifth of the nation’s prewar population, and marked the beginning of a World War in which at least 60 million people perished, including over 400,000 Americans.
Yes, I know, “congratulating” people he doesn’t know anything about is one of the president’s tics to cover his ignorance, much like his promiscuous use of modifiers like “great” or “greatest” for every phenomenon he dimly understands. But this particular example shows that the man and our nation would be better served if occasionally he just replied to some questions with: “Huh?”http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/trump-congratulates-poland-on-anniversary-of-nazi-invasion.html
What?
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:Perhaps he was congratulating them on second prize: Pence.
I mean, he could have sent no-one.
Pence is going alright, he hasn’t been sacked yet, should see out his whole term unless he becomes an expence.
I saw what you did there, and I laughed.
:)
Snort
kii said:
The Trump administration has begun erecting a 30-foot-high border wall that will cut through federally protected land in Arizona, despite warnings from Democratic lawmakers and activists that the new barrier and its construction could do irreparable damage to a fragile desert ecosystem. The first phase of construction in Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument, which runs along the southern border with Mexico, will replace a two-mile stretch of 15-foot-high fencing with structures that are twice as tall and feature large flood lights to illuminate the surrounding areas
What a jerk-off.
It is also an environmentally imporrtant area for lepidoptera.
This Tuesday, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed into law a bill that requires all presidential candidates to release their tax returns before they can be featured on the state’s ballot. As The Sacramento Bee points out, California is now the first state to enact such a rule.
Earlier this month, Senate Bill 27 passed both chambers of the state legislature by party-line vote, with Democrats overwhelmingly supporting the measure and Republicans refusing to vote in its favor. Trump has so far refused to release his tax returns, making him the first presidential to not make his information public in four decades.
Democrats reassured critics that the law would be applied equally to all candidates and added that it would also require gubernatorial candidates to release their tax records. Republicans claimed the bill was unconstitutional.
https://deadstate.org/california-becomes-first-state-to-bar-trump-from-2020-ballot-unless-he-releases-his-tax-returns/?fbclid=IwAR2i-fwUN9jDm3kFeqVdtXIipfdWwIJwlUQ8cgrfJn33XvMnEfnmDirBMsU
dv said:
This Tuesday, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed into law a bill that requires all presidential candidates to release their tax returns before they can be featured on the state’s ballot. As The Sacramento Bee points out, California is now the first state to enact such a rule.Earlier this month, Senate Bill 27 passed both chambers of the state legislature by party-line vote, with Democrats overwhelmingly supporting the measure and Republicans refusing to vote in its favor. Trump has so far refused to release his tax returns, making him the first presidential to not make his information public in four decades.
Democrats reassured critics that the law would be applied equally to all candidates and added that it would also require gubernatorial candidates to release their tax records. Republicans claimed the bill was unconstitutional.
https://deadstate.org/california-becomes-first-state-to-bar-trump-from-2020-ballot-unless-he-releases-his-tax-returns/?fbclid=IwAR2i-fwUN9jDm3kFeqVdtXIipfdWwIJwlUQ8cgrfJn33XvMnEfnmDirBMsU
Let’s face it, Trump could completely ignore the Californians, not even bother going onto the ballot in that State, and it wouldn’t make an iota of difference to his final Electoral College vote.
dv said:
This Tuesday, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed into law a bill that requires all presidential candidates to release their tax returns before they can be featured on the state’s ballot. As The Sacramento Bee points out, California is now the first state to enact such a rule.Earlier this month, Senate Bill 27 passed both chambers of the state legislature by party-line vote, with Democrats overwhelmingly supporting the measure and Republicans refusing to vote in its favor. Trump has so far refused to release his tax returns, making him the first presidential to not make his information public in four decades.
Democrats reassured critics that the law would be applied equally to all candidates and added that it would also require gubernatorial candidates to release their tax records. Republicans claimed the bill was unconstitutional.
https://deadstate.org/california-becomes-first-state-to-bar-trump-from-2020-ballot-unless-he-releases-his-tax-returns/?fbclid=IwAR2i-fwUN9jDm3kFeqVdtXIipfdWwIJwlUQ8cgrfJn33XvMnEfnmDirBMsU
Well done them.
sibeen said:
dv said:
This Tuesday, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed into law a bill that requires all presidential candidates to release their tax returns before they can be featured on the state’s ballot. As The Sacramento Bee points out, California is now the first state to enact such a rule.Earlier this month, Senate Bill 27 passed both chambers of the state legislature by party-line vote, with Democrats overwhelmingly supporting the measure and Republicans refusing to vote in its favor. Trump has so far refused to release his tax returns, making him the first presidential to not make his information public in four decades.
Democrats reassured critics that the law would be applied equally to all candidates and added that it would also require gubernatorial candidates to release their tax records. Republicans claimed the bill was unconstitutional.
https://deadstate.org/california-becomes-first-state-to-bar-trump-from-2020-ballot-unless-he-releases-his-tax-returns/?fbclid=IwAR2i-fwUN9jDm3kFeqVdtXIipfdWwIJwlUQ8cgrfJn33XvMnEfnmDirBMsU
Let’s face it, Trump could completely ignore the Californians, not even bother going onto the ballot in that State, and it wouldn’t make an iota of difference to his final Electoral College vote.
This is correct

dv said:
:)
:(
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-04/14yo-kills-family-in-alabama-us-gun-crime-murder/11478010
Trump’s Hurricane Tweets Not Overburdened With Accuracy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYnasJjjx4g
4:25 to 4:50
Far out.
Oh my fucking God
Not satire
——
Trump shows fake hurricane map in apparent bid to validate incorrect tweet
Trump points to map with black loop extending hurricane’s path
President made baseless claim that Alabama would be affected
To the annals of American political scandal, we must now add Sharpiegate.
In the Oval Office at lunchtime on Wednesday, Donald Trump held a briefing on Hurricane Dorian. At one point, the president held up a National Hurricane Center (NHC) map from 29 August, displaying the hurricane’s track and intensity.
Bizarrely, someone had apparently used a Sharpie, a kind of marker pen, to add a black loop falsely extending the hurricane’s path from Florida to Alabama. It was apparently a belated effort to justify Trump’s previous baseless claim that the latter state could be affected.
The hamfisted, homespun addition triggered uproar on social media and a frenzy of speculation over whether the president himself, or perhaps some lackey eager to impress, was responsible.
Altering official government weather forecasts is against the law.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/04/trump-hurricane-dorian-alabama-sharpie-map?CMP=soc_567
dv said:
Oh my fucking GodNot satire
——Trump shows fake hurricane map in apparent bid to validate incorrect tweet
Trump points to map with black loop extending hurricane’s path
President made baseless claim that Alabama would be affected
To the annals of American political scandal, we must now add Sharpiegate.
In the Oval Office at lunchtime on Wednesday, Donald Trump held a briefing on Hurricane Dorian. At one point, the president held up a National Hurricane Center (NHC) map from 29 August, displaying the hurricane’s track and intensity.
Bizarrely, someone had apparently used a Sharpie, a kind of marker pen, to add a black loop falsely extending the hurricane’s path from Florida to Alabama. It was apparently a belated effort to justify Trump’s previous baseless claim that the latter state could be affected.
The hamfisted, homespun addition triggered uproar on social media and a frenzy of speculation over whether the president himself, or perhaps some lackey eager to impress, was responsible.
Altering official government weather forecasts is against the law.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/04/trump-hurricane-dorian-alabama-sharpie-map?CMP=soc_567
When in fact the hurricane actually tracked Northwest. https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-77.72,23.65,1784/loc=146.935,-41.913
dv said:
Oh my fucking GodNot satire
——Trump shows fake hurricane map in apparent bid to validate incorrect tweet
Trump points to map with black loop extending hurricane’s path
President made baseless claim that Alabama would be affected
To the annals of American political scandal, we must now add Sharpiegate.
In the Oval Office at lunchtime on Wednesday, Donald Trump held a briefing on Hurricane Dorian. At one point, the president held up a National Hurricane Center (NHC) map from 29 August, displaying the hurricane’s track and intensity.
Bizarrely, someone had apparently used a Sharpie, a kind of marker pen, to add a black loop falsely extending the hurricane’s path from Florida to Alabama. It was apparently a belated effort to justify Trump’s previous baseless claim that the latter state could be affected.
The hamfisted, homespun addition triggered uproar on social media and a frenzy of speculation over whether the president himself, or perhaps some lackey eager to impress, was responsible.
Altering official government weather forecasts is against the law.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/04/trump-hurricane-dorian-alabama-sharpie-map?CMP=soc_567
Some one did say he was clumsy and inept.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Oh my fucking GodNot satire
——Trump shows fake hurricane map in apparent bid to validate incorrect tweet
Trump points to map with black loop extending hurricane’s path
President made baseless claim that Alabama would be affected
To the annals of American political scandal, we must now add Sharpiegate.
In the Oval Office at lunchtime on Wednesday, Donald Trump held a briefing on Hurricane Dorian. At one point, the president held up a National Hurricane Center (NHC) map from 29 August, displaying the hurricane’s track and intensity.
Bizarrely, someone had apparently used a Sharpie, a kind of marker pen, to add a black loop falsely extending the hurricane’s path from Florida to Alabama. It was apparently a belated effort to justify Trump’s previous baseless claim that the latter state could be affected.
The hamfisted, homespun addition triggered uproar on social media and a frenzy of speculation over whether the president himself, or perhaps some lackey eager to impress, was responsible.
Altering official government weather forecasts is against the law.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/04/trump-hurricane-dorian-alabama-sharpie-map?CMP=soc_567
Some one did say he was clumsy and inept.
If he said the Hurricane was heading into outer space no one there would have noticed.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-happens-when-the-fec-cant-do-its-job/
The Federal Election Commission has lost another member, meaning it is down to 3 instead of 6. 4 is the quorum which means it can’t legally conduct “high level business” such as conducting campaign finance violations.
dv said:
Oh my fucking GodNot satire
——Trump shows fake hurricane map in apparent bid to validate incorrect tweet
Trump points to map with black loop extending hurricane’s path
President made baseless claim that Alabama would be affected
To the annals of American political scandal, we must now add Sharpiegate.
In the Oval Office at lunchtime on Wednesday, Donald Trump held a briefing on Hurricane Dorian. At one point, the president held up a National Hurricane Center (NHC) map from 29 August, displaying the hurricane’s track and intensity.
Bizarrely, someone had apparently used a Sharpie, a kind of marker pen, to add a black loop falsely extending the hurricane’s path from Florida to Alabama. It was apparently a belated effort to justify Trump’s previous baseless claim that the latter state could be affected.
The hamfisted, homespun addition triggered uproar on social media and a frenzy of speculation over whether the president himself, or perhaps some lackey eager to impress, was responsible.
Altering official government weather forecasts is against the law.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/04/trump-hurricane-dorian-alabama-sharpie-map?CMP=soc_567
Hey Zeuss!
And he wanted to nuke it earlier…
dv said:
Oh my fucking GodNot satire
——Trump shows fake hurricane map in apparent bid to validate incorrect tweet
Trump points to map with black loop extending hurricane’s path
President made baseless claim that Alabama would be affected
To the annals of American political scandal, we must now add Sharpiegate.
In the Oval Office at lunchtime on Wednesday, Donald Trump held a briefing on Hurricane Dorian. At one point, the president held up a National Hurricane Center (NHC) map from 29 August, displaying the hurricane’s track and intensity.
Bizarrely, someone had apparently used a Sharpie, a kind of marker pen, to add a black loop falsely extending the hurricane’s path from Florida to Alabama. It was apparently a belated effort to justify Trump’s previous baseless claim that the latter state could be affected.
The hamfisted, homespun addition triggered uproar on social media and a frenzy of speculation over whether the president himself, or perhaps some lackey eager to impress, was responsible.
Altering official government weather forecasts is against the law.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/04/trump-hurricane-dorian-alabama-sharpie-map?CMP=soc_567
dv said:
dv said:
Oh my fucking GodNot satire
——Trump shows fake hurricane map in apparent bid to validate incorrect tweet
Trump points to map with black loop extending hurricane’s path
President made baseless claim that Alabama would be affected
To the annals of American political scandal, we must now add Sharpiegate.
In the Oval Office at lunchtime on Wednesday, Donald Trump held a briefing on Hurricane Dorian. At one point, the president held up a National Hurricane Center (NHC) map from 29 August, displaying the hurricane’s track and intensity.
Bizarrely, someone had apparently used a Sharpie, a kind of marker pen, to add a black loop falsely extending the hurricane’s path from Florida to Alabama. It was apparently a belated effort to justify Trump’s previous baseless claim that the latter state could be affected.
The hamfisted, homespun addition triggered uproar on social media and a frenzy of speculation over whether the president himself, or perhaps some lackey eager to impress, was responsible.
Altering official government weather forecasts is against the law.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/04/trump-hurricane-dorian-alabama-sharpie-map?CMP=soc_567
giggle
Trump blows spy satellite cover, completely…
https://www.sciencealert.com/astronomers-find-top-secret-us-surveillance-satellite-thanks-to-a-tweet-leak?perpetual=yes&limitstart=1
Michael V said:
Trump blows spy satellite cover, completely…https://www.sciencealert.com/astronomers-find-top-secret-us-surveillance-satellite-thanks-to-a-tweet-leak?perpetual=yes&limitstart=1
They reckon that the reflection of the flash on the screen and the pixel aliasing indicates that this is a photograph of display on a screen. So Don was getting a security briefing about a successful drone hit on an Iranian facility, took out his iPhone, took a snap and posted it to Twitter. It must be very demoralising working for him.
On a technical note, folks are saying that the resolution was better than the US had previously admitted to. I think the effective resolution shown here is about 1 pixel per 10 cm.
Just watched Biden on Colbert. He was okay.
Joe Biden Decided to Run for President After Charlottesville
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4sdFMqi8AE
sarahs mum said:
Just watched Biden on Colbert. He was okay.Joe Biden Decided to Run for President After Charlottesville
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4sdFMqi8AE
I think he should consult with a physician
sarahs mum said:
Just watched Biden on Colbert. He was okay.Joe Biden Decided to Run for President After Charlottesville
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4sdFMqi8AE
Don’t be telling the Gran that you said that.
:)
So it appears the wags of the internet are right on top of the “Trump altered official weather maps with a Sharpie” thing.

dv said:
So it appears the wags of the internet are right on top of the “Trump altered official weather maps with a Sharpie” thing.
Heh.
Very tidy.
dv said:
So it appears the wags of the internet are right on top of the “Trump altered official weather maps with a Sharpie” thing.
Hahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha…jajaja….plllllt!
dv said:
So it appears the wags of the internet are right on top of the “Trump altered official weather maps with a Sharpie” thing.
PMSL
Trump Dismantling US Response To Russian Annexation Of Crimea | Rachel Maddow
12:51
Rachel Maddow looks at the four columns of the U.S. response to Russia’s annexation of Crimea, sanctions, removal from the G8, military aid to Ukraine, and support to NATO, and notes that the Trump administration has worked to remove all four, most recently by seeking to take money from the European Deterrence Initiative to pay for Trump’s border wall.
Nikki Haley.
sarahs mum said:
Nikki Haley.
How’s she doing?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Nikki Haley.How’s she doing?
Apparently Jared And Ivanka like her better than Pence or something.
Pence Getting Fired By Trump?
Rumors are swirling about Trump possibly replacing Vice President Mike Pence with Nikki Haley.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Isd671xvlE
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Nikki Haley.How’s she doing?
Apparently Jared And Ivanka like her better than Pence or something.
Pence Getting Fired By Trump?
Rumors are swirling about Trump possibly replacing Vice President Mike Pence with Nikki Haley.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Isd671xvlE
she seems to keep denying it.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Nikki Haley.How’s she doing?
Apparently Jared And Ivanka like her better than Pence or something.
Pence Getting Fired By Trump?
Rumors are swirling about Trump possibly replacing Vice President Mike Pence with Nikki Haley.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Isd671xvlE
Doesn’t he need to impeach Pence first?
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:How’s she doing?
Apparently Jared And Ivanka like her better than Pence or something.
Pence Getting Fired By Trump?
Rumors are swirling about Trump possibly replacing Vice President Mike Pence with Nikki Haley.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Isd671xvlE
Doesn’t he need to impeach Pence first?
I gather we are talking 2020. But who knows what the rules to this sideshow are?
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:How’s she doing?
Apparently Jared And Ivanka like her better than Pence or something.
Pence Getting Fired By Trump?
Rumors are swirling about Trump possibly replacing Vice President Mike Pence with Nikki Haley.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Isd671xvlE
Doesn’t he need to impeach Pence first?
Trump doesn’t have the power to fire or impeach Pence.
However, the rumour is that will have Haley as his running mate in 2020.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:Apparently Jared And Ivanka like her better than Pence or something.
Pence Getting Fired By Trump?
Rumors are swirling about Trump possibly replacing Vice President Mike Pence with Nikki Haley.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Isd671xvlE
Doesn’t he need to impeach Pence first?
I gather we are talking 2020. But who knows what the rules to this sideshow are?
OIC.
Now.. am I supposed to know who this Nikki Haley is?
sarahs mum said:
Trump Dismantling US Response To Russian Annexation Of Crimea | Rachel Maddow
12:51Rachel Maddow looks at the four columns of the U.S. response to Russia’s annexation of Crimea, sanctions, removal from the G8, military aid to Ukraine, and support to NATO, and notes that the Trump administration has worked to remove all four, most recently by seeking to take money from the European Deterrence Initiative to pay for Trump’s border wall.
To help his mate, Putin.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:Doesn’t he need to impeach Pence first?
I gather we are talking 2020. But who knows what the rules to this sideshow are?
OIC.
Now.. am I supposed to know who this Nikki Haley is?
Eh. Maybe not.
Nikki Haley (nee Nimrata Randhawa) was the US ambassador to the United Nations for about a year. She was governor of South Carolina for 6 years.
dv said:
Fox News shreds Donald Trump over fake weather diagrams
Rupert really does play the game, doesn’t he?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Fox News shreds Donald Trump over fake weather diagrams
Rupert really does play the game, doesn’t he?
What? Did you watch the video, it is scathing of Trump.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Fox News shreds Donald Trump over fake weather diagrams
Rupert really does play the game, doesn’t he?
What? Did you watch the video, it is scathing of Trump.
Yes. I did. But there was a time in the recent past that nothing bad was said of Trump on FOX and it was all how wonderful he was.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Rupert really does play the game, doesn’t he?
What? Did you watch the video, it is scathing of Trump.
Yes. I did. But there was a time in the recent past that nothing bad was said of Trump on FOX and it was all how wonderful he was.
Rupert is about making money.
from Kii,

And as another friend pointed out. 5 darts.
sarahs mum said:
from Kii,
And as another friend pointed out. 5 darts.
The other friend should also have pointed out that the treble 20 is the highest scoring part of a dart board :)
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
from Kii,
And as another friend pointed out. 5 darts.
The other friend should also have pointed out that the treble 20 is the highest scoring part of a dart board :)
I did get that bit.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
from Kii,
And as another friend pointed out. 5 darts.
The other friend should also have pointed out that the treble 20 is the highest scoring part of a dart board :)
Why……?
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Rupert really does play the game, doesn’t he?
What? Did you watch the video, it is scathing of Trump.
Yes. I did. But there was a time in the recent past that nothing bad was said of Trump on FOX and it was all how wonderful he was.
Yeah, he plays the “what’s good for Rupert” game, not the “what’s good for Donald” game.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
from Kii,
And as another friend pointed out. 5 darts.
The other friend should also have pointed out that the treble 20 is the highest scoring part of a dart board :)
Nonetheless, it’s still QF (quite funny).
kii said:
Sharpie madness….
:)
Someone should shapie the Whitehouse, Congress and the Senate buildings for completeness.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:What? Did you watch the video, it is scathing of Trump.
Yes. I did. But there was a time in the recent past that nothing bad was said of Trump on FOX and it was all how wonderful he was.
Yeah, he plays the “what’s good for Rupert” game, not the “what’s good for Donald” game.
Exactly. And Donald is having tantrums about it.
But I am miffed at how much it has changed Australian history and the narrative. My ABC. And now we can add Trump and Brexit.
Tau.Neutrino said:
kii said:
Sharpie madness….
:)
Someone should shapie the Whitehouse, Congress and the Senate buildings for completeness.

sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
kii said:
Sharpie madness….
:)
Someone should shapie the Whitehouse, Congress and the Senate buildings for completeness.
Ah fuck …too funny
A reminder, Planet America on at 1:15 today.
Trump’s trade war with China is an indirect threat to the business model of multi-nationals, many of them US based.
So of course they are turning on him.
AwesomeO said:
A reminder, Planet America on at 1:15 today.
Tamb said:
AwesomeO said:
A reminder, Planet America on at 1:15 today.
Never seen it. Precis please.
Just watch it.
Tamb said:
AwesomeO said:
A reminder, Planet America on at 1:15 today.
Never seen it. Precis please.
Current American political affairs with a heavy emphasis on the Donald from an oz perspective, one of the presenters was a chaser.
AwesomeO said:
Tamb said:
AwesomeO said:
A reminder, Planet America on at 1:15 today.
Never seen it. Precis please.Current American political affairs with a heavy emphasis on the Donald from an oz perspective, one of the presenters was a chaser.
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
kii said:
Sharpie madness….
:)
Someone should shapie the Whitehouse, Congress and the Senate buildings for completeness.
I wonder if she is thinking “I do not want to be here, this man likes power and control, he likes self promotion using other people, he treats people like crap, he uses fake information to confuse people, he is greedy, arrogant, ignorant, sexist, racist, a misogynist and a liar, he is a tax avoider, a climate change denier, a wall builder, he is contradictory, a hypocrite, a bully, he makes unwanted sexual advances towards women and he gropes and grabs women like he owns them, he incites hatred and violence using white supremacy ideologies spread on the media, he is cruel, vindictive, vain, pompous, narcissistic, egotistical and obnoxious, he is full of revenge and hatred , he us a megalomaniac, a demagogue, a control freak, a vexed litigator, a plagiarist, he likes attacking the free press, he Insults senators, members of congress and heaps of other people using the media, He is a criminal, he has committed criminal acts against Americas interests, he mixes up his memories and creates new stories, he forgets things. I should leave him. I don’t why I am here, I do not look happy, I think Id like to be somewhere else, this is a bad dream, it will end soon.”
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said::)
Someone should shapie the Whitehouse, Congress and the Senate buildings for completeness.
I wonder if she is thinking “I do not want to be here, this man likes power and control, he likes self promotion using other people, he treats people like crap, he uses fake information to confuse people, he is greedy, arrogant, ignorant, sexist, racist, a misogynist and a liar, he is a tax avoider, a climate change denier, a wall builder, he is contradictory, a hypocrite, a bully, he makes unwanted sexual advances towards women and he gropes and grabs women like he owns them, he incites hatred and violence using white supremacy ideologies spread on the media, he is cruel, vindictive, vain, pompous, narcissistic, egotistical and obnoxious, he is full of revenge and hatred , he us a megalomaniac, a demagogue, a control freak, a vexed litigator, a plagiarist, he likes attacking the free press, he Insults senators, members of congress and heaps of other people using the media, He is a criminal, he has committed criminal acts against Americas interests, he mixes up his memories and creates new stories, he forgets things. I should leave him. I don’t why I am here, I do not look happy, I think Id like to be somewhere else, this is a bad dream, it will end soon.”
Bit harsh.
https://www.scienceparty.org.au/morrisons_financial_advice_stop_being_poor
Melania Trump HUMILIATED by her own husband Donald Trump sparking Twitter outrage
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1174968/melania-trump-news-latest-update-FLOTUS-US-president-donald-trump-hurricane-dorian
However, while voicing his appreciation he managed to snub his own wife who was standing right beside him.
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He said: “I just want to thank everybody – the first responders – on behalf of myself, our vice president and Melania who really wanted to be here”
Despite standing right next to her husband throughout his statement the President managed to completely overlook her.
Batman music
When will Melania leave Trump?
Will Trump use his failing memory to fight impeachment.?
Will batman and Robin be able to save Washington D.C. from the perils of religious blindness and right wing extremism?
Stay tuned to this channel.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Batman musicWhen will Melania leave Trump?
Will Trump use his failing memory to fight impeachment.?
Will batman and Robin be able to save Washington D.C. from the perils of religious blindness and right wing extremism?
Stay tuned to this channel.
I think he probably just meant “she really wanted to be here” without a strong implication that she was not present.
Honestly … this is pretty non-humiliating compared to other aspects of being married to him
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Batman musicWhen will Melania leave Trump?
Will Trump use his failing memory to fight impeachment.?
Will batman and Robin be able to save Washington D.C. from the perils of religious blindness and right wing extremism?
Stay tuned to this channel.
I think he probably just meant “she really wanted to be here” without a strong implication that she was not present.
Honestly … this is pretty non-humiliating compared to other aspects of being married to him
Yeah, it’s probably counter-productive to pick up every little thing he does, when there are so many big things to complain about.
Not that it really matters here either way.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Melania Trump HUMILIATED by her own husband Donald Trump sparking Twitter outrage
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1174968/melania-trump-news-latest-update-FLOTUS-US-president-donald-trump-hurricane-dorianHowever, while voicing his appreciation he managed to snub his own wife who was standing right beside him.
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inRead invented by TeadsHe said: “I just want to thank everybody – the first responders – on behalf of myself, our vice president and Melania who really wanted to be here”
Despite standing right next to her husband throughout his statement the President managed to completely overlook her.
I don’t think her pre-nup would hold up in court.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Melania Trump HUMILIATED by her own husband Donald Trump sparking Twitter outrage
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1174968/melania-trump-news-latest-update-FLOTUS-US-president-donald-trump-hurricane-dorianHowever, while voicing his appreciation he managed to snub his own wife who was standing right beside him.
ADVERTISING
inRead invented by TeadsHe said: “I just want to thank everybody – the first responders – on behalf of myself, our vice president and Melania who really wanted to be here”
Despite standing right next to her husband throughout his statement the President managed to completely overlook her.
I’ve defended Trump before here, I don’t really have any desire to do so any more or now, but why post crap like this?
The quote isn’t even correct and the editorializing is just plain bull-crap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ghKTJCqutI
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Batman musicWhen will Melania leave Trump?
Will Trump use his failing memory to fight impeachment.?
Will batman and Robin be able to save Washington D.C. from the perils of religious blindness and right wing extremism?
Stay tuned to this channel.
I think he probably just meant “she really wanted to be here” without a strong implication that she was not present.
Honestly … this is pretty non-humiliating compared to other aspects of being married to him
Yeah, it’s probably counter-productive to pick up every little thing he does, when there are so many big things to complain about.
Not that it really matters here either way.
Exactly, literally nothing matters now.
esselte said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Melania Trump HUMILIATED by her own husband Donald Trump sparking Twitter outrage
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1174968/melania-trump-news-latest-update-FLOTUS-US-president-donald-trump-hurricane-dorianHowever, while voicing his appreciation he managed to snub his own wife who was standing right beside him.
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inRead invented by TeadsHe said: “I just want to thank everybody – the first responders – on behalf of myself, our vice president and Melania who really wanted to be here”
Despite standing right next to her husband throughout his statement the President managed to completely overlook her.
I’ve defended Trump before here, I don’t really have any desire to do so any more or now, but why post crap like this?
The quote isn’t even correct and the editorializing is just plain bull-crap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ghKTJCqutI
Yes it’s very sad that there is so much leftwing nutterism out there that you have to defend the likes of Trump.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Batman musicWhen will Melania leave Trump?
Will Trump use his failing memory to fight impeachment.?
Will batman and Robin be able to save Washington D.C. from the perils of religious blindness and right wing extremism?
Stay tuned to this channel.
I think he probably just meant “she really wanted to be here” without a strong implication that she was not present.
Honestly … this is pretty non-humiliating compared to other aspects of being married to him
I wonder if she tries to get his attention when he’s wrong?
Or just leaves it, knowing there’s little point, he is too far gone?
A new Politico report reveals that a U.S. military flight was directed to stop at Trump’s Scotland golf course while traveling to and from North Africa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN_6DPwruOU
dv said:
They reckon that the reflection of the flash on the screen and the pixel aliasing indicates that this is a photograph of display on a screen. So Don was getting a security briefing about a successful drone hit on an Iranian facility, took out his iPhone, took a snap and posted it to Twitter. It must be very demoralising working for him.
What evidence is there that a drone hit this facility and that the damage did not occur, say, during a botched fueling operation?
Here’s the picture Trump tweeted:
The black rectangle in the top left corner has almost certainly been added in some form of post processing.
So really all we can say is someone took a photograph of this satellite image, manipulated that photograph to hide whatever information was displayed in the top left corner and then Trump tweeted it out.
This indicates there was an awareness by someone, somewhere in the sequence of events of not releasing information that the US government did not want released. Which in turn would suggest that previously sensitive information regarding the capability of the satellite has been released intentionally, via this tweet.
The impression you have formed of a chaotic Trump led administration is not accurate. The “orange fucker” is manipulating you and giving you a warm feeling of moral superiority whilst he does it. He’s manipulating the media and a dull, non-skeptical public fed on a diet of Rachel Maddow, The Young Turks (sorry Sarah’s Mum, but these people suck as sources of information… they really do) and main stream media are unintentionally colluding with him by buying the narrative. This thread is evidence of that.
esselte said:
dv said:
They reckon that the reflection of the flash on the screen and the pixel aliasing indicates that this is a photograph of display on a screen. So Don was getting a security briefing about a successful drone hit on an Iranian facility, took out his iPhone, took a snap and posted it to Twitter. It must be very demoralising working for him.
What evidence is there that a drone hit this facility and that the damage did not occur, say, during a botched fueling operation?
Here’s the picture Trump tweeted:
The black rectangle in the top left corner has almost certainly been added in some form of post processing.
So really all we can say is someone took a photograph of this satellite image, manipulated that photograph to hide whatever information was displayed in the top left corner and then Trump tweeted it out.
This indicates there was an awareness by someone, somewhere in the sequence of events of not releasing information that the US government did not want released. Which in turn would suggest that previously sensitive information regarding the capability of the satellite has been released intentionally, via this tweet.
The impression you have formed of a chaotic Trump led administration is not accurate. The “orange fucker” is manipulating you and giving you a warm feeling of moral superiority whilst he does it. He’s manipulating the media and a dull, non-skeptical public fed on a diet of Rachel Maddow, The Young Turks (sorry Sarah’s Mum, but these people suck as sources of information… they really do) and main stream media are unintentionally colluding with him by buying the narrative. This thread is evidence of that.
I like Rachel. She is a very well researched commentator IMO. I too am a bit skeptical about the Young Turks.
So..who is your preference for a competent media org? Who do you think I should be trusting?
esselte said:
What evidence is there that a drone hit this facility
None, I was being facetious.
The impression you have formed of a chaotic Trump led administration is not accurate. The “orange fucker” is manipulating you and giving you a warm feeling of moral superiority whilst he does it. He’s manipulating the media and a dull, non-skeptical public fed on a diet of Rachel Maddow, The Young Turks (sorry Sarah’s Mum, but these people suck as sources of information… they really do) and main stream media are unintentionally colluding with him by buying the narrative. This thread is evidence of that.
So what is his endgame? He wants to go to prison? He wants to be embarrassed by a massive electoral loss?
sarahs mum said:
So..who is your preference for a competent media org? Who do you think I should be trusting?
I do not trust any of them.
They’ve earned it.
dv said:
So what is his endgame? He wants to go to prison? He wants to be embarrassed by a massive electoral loss?
His endgame is to complete his 4 year term and win a second four year term whilst implementing policies he feels are advantageous to the United States, then to retire from the position.
I don’t think Trump is an unusual POTUS in any regard. He’s doing the same thing any of the recent Presidents have done. He’s just using new and different methods.
esselte said:
His endgame is to complete his 4 year term and win a second four year term whilst implementing policies he feels are advantageous to the United States, then to retire from the position.
Yet he is behaviing in a way that keeps his support around 40%, and commits crimes that he knows he will be prosecuted for once he leaves office. It’s hard to know how this looks in his own mind but objectively he is not acting in a way that will lead to winning a second term.
I don’t think Trump is an unusual POTUS in any regard. He’s doing the same thing any of the recent Presidents have done. He’s just using new and different methods.
That’s a hilarious viewpoint that makes no sense at all.
esselte said:
dv said:
So what is his endgame? He wants to go to prison? He wants to be embarrassed by a massive electoral loss?
His endgame is to complete his 4 year term and win a second four year term whilst implementing policies he feels are advantageous to the United States, then to retire from the position.
I don’t think Trump is an unusual POTUS in any regard. He’s doing the same thing any of the recent Presidents have done. He’s just using new and different methods.
So new and different, but still the same.
Got it.
dv said:
Yet he is behaviing in a way that keeps his support around 40%, and commits crimes that he knows he will be prosecuted for once he leaves office. It’s hard to know how this looks in his own mind but objectively he is not acting in a way that will lead to winning a second term.
What crimes?
Objectively he did not act in a way that would lead to him winning a first term. Remember?
“Objectively”…….
esselte said:
What crimes?
Sorry, I thought you had been keeping up with the news. He committed the felony of obstructing justice 10 times, and instructing employees to misled federal prosecutors, which is also a felony.
dv said:
esselte said:
What evidence is there that a drone hit this facility
None, I was being facetious.
The impression you have formed of a chaotic Trump led administration is not accurate. The “orange fucker” is manipulating you and giving you a warm feeling of moral superiority whilst he does it. He’s manipulating the media and a dull, non-skeptical public fed on a diet of Rachel Maddow, The Young Turks (sorry Sarah’s Mum, but these people suck as sources of information… they really do) and main stream media are unintentionally colluding with him by buying the narrative. This thread is evidence of that.So what is his endgame? He wants to go to prison? He wants to be embarrassed by a massive electoral loss?
He is constantly analysed as having an ego issue whilst being irrelevant and illegitimate. He is a child and a buffoon and totally unsuited as president, his election was an accident and a fluke.
That’s pretty good reasons there for an attempt at reelection, if you get it then you win, biggly. There’s no downside for him really, he has already done what many thought impossible, to do it again would elevate him to undeniable legitimacy.
dv said:
esselte said:What crimes?
Sorry, I thought you had been keeping up with the news. He committed the felony of obstructing justice 10 times, and instructing employees to misled federal prosecutors, which is also a felony.
You think he will be prosecuted for these crimes?
I’m sorry, I should have been more clear. What crimes do you think Trump will be put on trial for at the completion of his term?
AwesomeO said:
dv said:esselte said:
What evidence is there that a drone hit this facility
None, I was being facetious.
The impression you have formed of a chaotic Trump led administration is not accurate. The “orange fucker” is manipulating you and giving you a warm feeling of moral superiority whilst he does it. He’s manipulating the media and a dull, non-skeptical public fed on a diet of Rachel Maddow, The Young Turks (sorry Sarah’s Mum, but these people suck as sources of information… they really do) and main stream media are unintentionally colluding with him by buying the narrative. This thread is evidence of that.So what is his endgame? He wants to go to prison? He wants to be embarrassed by a massive electoral loss?
He is constantly analysed as having an ego issue whilst being irrelevant and illegitimate. He is a child and a buffoon and totally unsuited as president, his election was an accident and a fluke.
That’s pretty good reasons there for an attempt at reelection, if you get it then you win, biggly. There’s no downside for him really, he has already done what many thought impossible, to do it again would elevate him to undeniable legitimacy.
Indeed, on the face of it, he has much better reason to want to be reelected than the average President.
esselte said:
You think he will be prosecuted for these crimes?
There’s one way out of it, which would be to resign now and let Pence pardon him, but that would probably not be in keeping with his personality.
dv said:
esselte said:You think he will be prosecuted for these crimes?
There’s one way out of it, which would be to resign now and let Pence pardon him, but that would probably not be in keeping with his personality.
Do you think Trump will face prosecution for any of the crimes you mentioned when he is no longer POTUS?
esselte said:
sarahs mum said:
So..who is your preference for a competent media org? Who do you think I should be trusting?
I do not trust any of them.
They’ve earned it.
Having said that, SM… there’s levels of trust…
To be frank, I’d trust Alex Jones over RM or TYT.
esselte said:
esselte said:
sarahs mum said:
So..who is your preference for a competent media org? Who do you think I should be trusting?
I do not trust any of them.
They’ve earned it.
Having said that, SM… there’s levels of trust…
To be frank, I’d trust Alex Jones over RM or TYT.
RM and TYT are the insane leftists that PWM referenced earlier, incarnate.
esselte said:
dv said:
They reckon that the reflection of the flash on the screen and the pixel aliasing indicates that this is a photograph of display on a screen. So Don was getting a security briefing about a successful drone hit on an Iranian facility, took out his iPhone, took a snap and posted it to Twitter. It must be very demoralising working for him.
What evidence is there that a drone hit this facility and that the damage did not occur, say, during a botched fueling operation?
Here’s the picture Trump tweeted:
The black rectangle in the top left corner has almost certainly been added in some form of post processing.
So really all we can say is someone took a photograph of this satellite image, manipulated that photograph to hide whatever information was displayed in the top left corner and then Trump tweeted it out.
This indicates there was an awareness by someone, somewhere in the sequence of events of not releasing information that the US government did not want released. Which in turn would suggest that previously sensitive information regarding the capability of the satellite has been released intentionally, via this tweet.
The impression you have formed of a chaotic Trump led administration is not accurate. The “orange fucker” is manipulating you and giving you a warm feeling of moral superiority whilst he does it. He’s manipulating the media and a dull, non-skeptical public fed on a diet of Rachel Maddow, The Young Turks (sorry Sarah’s Mum, but these people suck as sources of information… they really do) and main stream media are unintentionally colluding with him by buying the narrative. This thread is evidence of that.
Esselte’s officially drunk the kool-aid.
AwesomeO said:
dv said:esselte said:
What evidence is there that a drone hit this facility
None, I was being facetious.
The impression you have formed of a chaotic Trump led administration is not accurate. The “orange fucker” is manipulating you and giving you a warm feeling of moral superiority whilst he does it. He’s manipulating the media and a dull, non-skeptical public fed on a diet of Rachel Maddow, The Young Turks (sorry Sarah’s Mum, but these people suck as sources of information… they really do) and main stream media are unintentionally colluding with him by buying the narrative. This thread is evidence of that.So what is his endgame? He wants to go to prison? He wants to be embarrassed by a massive electoral loss?
He is constantly analysed as having an ego issue whilst being irrelevant and illegitimate. He is a child and a buffoon and totally unsuited as president, his election was an accident and a fluke.
That’s pretty good reasons there for an attempt at reelection, if you get it then you win, biggly. There’s no downside for him really, he has already done what many thought impossible, to do it again would elevate him to undeniable legitimacy.
No accident.
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
dv said:
They reckon that the reflection of the flash on the screen and the pixel aliasing indicates that this is a photograph of display on a screen. So Don was getting a security briefing about a successful drone hit on an Iranian facility, took out his iPhone, took a snap and posted it to Twitter. It must be very demoralising working for him.
What evidence is there that a drone hit this facility and that the damage did not occur, say, during a botched fueling operation?
Here’s the picture Trump tweeted:
The black rectangle in the top left corner has almost certainly been added in some form of post processing.
So really all we can say is someone took a photograph of this satellite image, manipulated that photograph to hide whatever information was displayed in the top left corner and then Trump tweeted it out.
This indicates there was an awareness by someone, somewhere in the sequence of events of not releasing information that the US government did not want released. Which in turn would suggest that previously sensitive information regarding the capability of the satellite has been released intentionally, via this tweet.
The impression you have formed of a chaotic Trump led administration is not accurate. The “orange fucker” is manipulating you and giving you a warm feeling of moral superiority whilst he does it. He’s manipulating the media and a dull, non-skeptical public fed on a diet of Rachel Maddow, The Young Turks (sorry Sarah’s Mum, but these people suck as sources of information… they really do) and main stream media are unintentionally colluding with him by buying the narrative. This thread is evidence of that.
Esselte’s officially drunk the kool-aid.
More like he’s licked horse shit off the pavement and declared it to be the finest chocolate.
dv said:
esselte said:You think he will be prosecuted for these crimes?
There’s one way out of it, which would be to resign now and let Pence pardon him, but that would probably not be in keeping with his personality.
He isn’t at that point of the game yet.
esselte said:
esselte said:
esselte said:I do not trust any of them.
They’ve earned it.
Having said that, SM… there’s levels of trust…
To be frank, I’d trust Alex Jones over RM or TYT.
RM and TYT are the insane leftists that PWM referenced earlier, incarnate.
I am also a insane leftist.
*waves piece of paper in air.
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
dv said:
They reckon that the reflection of the flash on the screen and the pixel aliasing indicates that this is a photograph of display on a screen. So Don was getting a security briefing about a successful drone hit on an Iranian facility, took out his iPhone, took a snap and posted it to Twitter. It must be very demoralising working for him.
What evidence is there that a drone hit this facility and that the damage did not occur, say, during a botched fueling operation?
Here’s the picture Trump tweeted:
The black rectangle in the top left corner has almost certainly been added in some form of post processing.
So really all we can say is someone took a photograph of this satellite image, manipulated that photograph to hide whatever information was displayed in the top left corner and then Trump tweeted it out.
This indicates there was an awareness by someone, somewhere in the sequence of events of not releasing information that the US government did not want released. Which in turn would suggest that previously sensitive information regarding the capability of the satellite has been released intentionally, via this tweet.
The impression you have formed of a chaotic Trump led administration is not accurate. The “orange fucker” is manipulating you and giving you a warm feeling of moral superiority whilst he does it. He’s manipulating the media and a dull, non-skeptical public fed on a diet of Rachel Maddow, The Young Turks (sorry Sarah’s Mum, but these people suck as sources of information… they really do) and main stream media are unintentionally colluding with him by buying the narrative. This thread is evidence of that.
Esselte’s officially drunk the kool-aid.
What Kool-aid?
Trump Kool-aid? My position is that Trump and his administration are manipulative arseholes making use of the latest technology to manipulate a gullible public.
Anti-Trump Kool-aid? My position is that Trump and his administration are manipulative arseholes making use of the latest technology to manipulate a gullible public.
esselte said:
dv said:
So what is his endgame? He wants to go to prison? He wants to be embarrassed by a massive electoral loss?
His endgame is to complete his 4 year term and win a second four year term whilst implementing policies he feels are advantageous to the United States, then to retire from the position.
I don’t think Trump is an unusual POTUS in any regard. He’s doing the same thing any of the recent Presidents have done. He’s just using new and different methods.
He makes Bush Jnr look like a Rhodes Scholar. A president this stupid is definitely something new.
sarahs mum said:
esselte said:
esselte said:Having said that, SM… there’s levels of trust…
To be frank, I’d trust Alex Jones over RM or TYT.
RM and TYT are the insane leftists that PWM referenced earlier, incarnate.
I am also a insane leftist.
*waves piece of paper in air.
Well you posted a thing from Fox that was dissing the president but you consider it just Fox playing a game, which suggests to me, if they support, or not, in your eyes it’s a plot anyway. Hard to argue against that sort of coming and going free form embolism.
sarahs mum said:
I am also a insane leftist.
*waves piece of paper in air.
Earlier in this thread you suggested the USA was headed towards Naziísm.
esselte said:
sarahs mum said:I am also a insane leftist.
*waves piece of paper in air.
Earlier in this thread you suggested the USA was headed towards Naziísm.
Naziism!!!!!
Trump profile no 2
He humiliates people, he ower and control, he likes self promotion using other people, he treats people like crap, he uses fake information to confuse people, he is greedy, arrogant, ignorant, sexist, racist, a misogynist and a liar, he is a tax avoider, a climate change denier, a wall builder, he is contradictory, a hypocrite, a bully, he underpays workers and staff, he makes unwanted sexual advances towards women and he gropes and grabs women like he owns them, he mocks people, he likes glamour, he incites hatred and violence using white supremacy ideologies spread on the media, he likes putting people down, he is cruel, rude, offensive, vindictive, vain, pompous, narcissistic, egotistical and obnoxious, he is full of revenge and hatred, he is a megalomaniac, a demagogue, a control freak, a vexed serial litigator, a plagiarist, he likes attacking the free press, he Insults senators, members of congress and heaps of other people using the media, he is a criminal, he has committed criminal acts against America’s interests, he mixes up his memories and creates new stories, he forgets things, he is clumsy and inept, he is a human rights abuser, he is getting more dysfunctional and more and more unpredictable.
Have I left anything out?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trump profile no 2He humiliates people, he ower and control, he likes self promotion using other people, he treats people like crap, he uses fake information to confuse people, he is greedy, arrogant, ignorant, sexist, racist, a misogynist and a liar, he is a tax avoider, a climate change denier, a wall builder, he is contradictory, a hypocrite, a bully, he underpays workers and staff, he makes unwanted sexual advances towards women and he gropes and grabs women like he owns them, he mocks people, he likes glamour, he incites hatred and violence using white supremacy ideologies spread on the media, he likes putting people down, he is cruel, rude, offensive, vindictive, vain, pompous, narcissistic, egotistical and obnoxious, he is full of revenge and hatred, he is a megalomaniac, a demagogue, a control freak, a vexed serial litigator, a plagiarist, he likes attacking the free press, he Insults senators, members of congress and heaps of other people using the media, he is a criminal, he has committed criminal acts against America’s interests, he mixes up his memories and creates new stories, he forgets things, he is clumsy and inept, he is a human rights abuser, he is getting more dysfunctional and more and more unpredictable.
Have I left anything out?
Paragraphs.
AwesomeO said:
sarahs mum said:
esselte said:RM and TYT are the insane leftists that PWM referenced earlier, incarnate.
I am also a insane leftist.
*waves piece of paper in air.
Well you posted a thing from Fox that was dissing the president but you consider it just Fox playing a game, which suggests to me, if they support, or not, in your eyes it’s a plot anyway. Hard to argue against that sort of coming and going free form embolism.
I stand by my stance.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trump profile no 2
…Have I left anything out?
He probably doesn’t understand the LBW rule in cricket, and if you explained it to him he wouldn’t get it anyway.
esselte said:
sarahs mum said:I am also a insane leftist.
*waves piece of paper in air.
Earlier in this thread you suggested the USA was headed towards Naziísm.
Well..the KKK and the Neo nazis are good with that point of view.
sarahs mum said:
AwesomeO said:
sarahs mum said:I am also a insane leftist.
*waves piece of paper in air.
Well you posted a thing from Fox that was dissing the president but you consider it just Fox playing a game, which suggests to me, if they support, or not, in your eyes it’s a plot anyway. Hard to argue against that sort of coming and going free form embolism.
I stand by my stance.
If not making sense is a stance then yes, yes you did.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trump profile no 2
…Have I left anything out?
He probably doesn’t understand the LBW rule in cricket, and if you explained it to him he wouldn’t get it anyway.
or the offside rule.
Trump profile no 2 take 2
Trump humiliates people, he likes power and control, he likes self promotion using other people, he treats people like crap, he uses fake information to confuse people, he is greedy, arrogant, ignorant, sexist, racist, a misogynist and a liar, he is a tax avoider, a climate change denier, a wall builder.
Trump is contradictory, a hypocrite, a bully, he underpays workers and staff, he makes unwanted sexual advances towards women and he gropes and grabs women like he owns them, he mocks people, he likes glamour, he incites hatred and violence using white supremacy ideologies spread on the media, he likes putting people down, he is cruel, rude, offensive, vindictive, vain, pompous, narcissistic, egotistical and obnoxious.
Trump is full of revenge and hatred, he is a megalomaniac, a demagogue, a control freak, a vexed serial litigator, a plagiarist, he likes attacking the free press, he Insults senators, members of congress and heaps of other people using the media, he is a criminal, he has committed criminal acts against America’s interests.
Trump mixes up his memories and creates new stories, he forgets things, he is clumsy and inept, he is a human rights abuser, he is getting more dysfunctional and more and more unpredictable.
Have I left anything out?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Have I left anything out?
References…. critical thought…. skepticism…. kitty-cats, you didn’t mention kitty-cats.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trump profile no 2 take 2Trump humiliates people, he likes power and control, he likes self promotion using other people, he treats people like crap, he uses fake information to confuse people, he is greedy, arrogant, ignorant, sexist, racist, a misogynist and a liar, he is a tax avoider, a climate change denier, a wall builder.
Trump is contradictory, a hypocrite, a bully, he underpays workers and staff, he makes unwanted sexual advances towards women and he gropes and grabs women like he owns them, he mocks people, he likes glamour, he incites hatred and violence using white supremacy ideologies spread on the media, he likes putting people down, he is cruel, rude, offensive, vindictive, vain, pompous, narcissistic, egotistical and obnoxious.
Trump is full of revenge and hatred, he is a megalomaniac, a demagogue, a control freak, a vexed serial litigator, a plagiarist, he likes attacking the free press, he Insults senators, members of congress and heaps of other people using the media, he is a criminal, he has committed criminal acts against America’s interests.
Trump mixes up his memories and creates new stories, he forgets things, he is clumsy and inept, he is a human rights abuser, he is getting more dysfunctional and more and more unpredictable.
Have I left anything out?
Probably. But dont feel you need to continue adding to your wall of thesaurus.
esselte said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Have I left anything out?
References…. critical thought…. skepticism…. kitty-cats, you didn’t mention kitty-cats.
Evidence….
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:What evidence is there that a drone hit this facility and that the damage did not occur, say, during a botched fueling operation?
Here’s the picture Trump tweeted:
The black rectangle in the top left corner has almost certainly been added in some form of post processing.
So really all we can say is someone took a photograph of this satellite image, manipulated that photograph to hide whatever information was displayed in the top left corner and then Trump tweeted it out.
This indicates there was an awareness by someone, somewhere in the sequence of events of not releasing information that the US government did not want released. Which in turn would suggest that previously sensitive information regarding the capability of the satellite has been released intentionally, via this tweet.
The impression you have formed of a chaotic Trump led administration is not accurate. The “orange fucker” is manipulating you and giving you a warm feeling of moral superiority whilst he does it. He’s manipulating the media and a dull, non-skeptical public fed on a diet of Rachel Maddow, The Young Turks (sorry Sarah’s Mum, but these people suck as sources of information… they really do) and main stream media are unintentionally colluding with him by buying the narrative. This thread is evidence of that.
Esselte’s officially drunk the kool-aid.
What Kool-aid?
Trump Kool-aid? My position is that Trump and his administration are manipulative arseholes making use of the latest technology to manipulate a gullible public.
Anti-Trump Kool-aid? My position is that Trump and his administration are manipulative arseholes making use of the latest technology to manipulate a gullible public.
The ‘main-stream media are so biased that Fox through Infowars serve a legitimate need for balance’ kool-aid. I agree that MSNBC is just as biased as Fox but that doesn’t mean there aren’t valid centrist news sources like the the news pages of the NYTimes and the Economist.
esselte said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Have I left anything out?
References…. critical thought…. skepticism…. kitty-cats, you didn’t mention kitty-cats.
Kit-Kats???
esselte said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Have I left anything out?
References…. critical thought…. skepticism…. kitty-cats, you didn’t mention kitty-cats.
All those traits came from media articles.
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Esselte’s officially drunk the kool-aid.
What Kool-aid?
Trump Kool-aid? My position is that Trump and his administration are manipulative arseholes making use of the latest technology to manipulate a gullible public.
Anti-Trump Kool-aid? My position is that Trump and his administration are manipulative arseholes making use of the latest technology to manipulate a gullible public.
The ‘main-stream media are so biased that Fox through Infowars serve a legitimate need for balance’ kool-aid. I agree that MSNBC is just as biased as Fox but that doesn’t mean there aren’t valid centrist news sources like the the news pages of the NYTimes and the Economist.
Fox News thinks Trump’s a dangerous idiot
What’s unfortunate is that there was no pro-Hillary media: no outlet willing to overlook her many flaws to balance the media willing to overlook Trump’s. CNN, MSNBC, shredded Hillary.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The ‘main-stream media are so biased that Fox through Infowars serve a legitimate need for balance’ kool-aid. I agree that MSNBC is just as biased as Fox but that doesn’t mean there aren’t valid centrist news sources like the the news pages of the NYTimes and the Economist.
I do not trust any of these fuckers. Please understand though, intellectually I identify as an empirical skepticist… I don’t even trust myself…. I don’t have access to the information needed to be properly skeptical because that information does not exist. Media outlets are supposed to provide this information… this is the utility of the media… but they (the media) don’t, there is no accurate sources of information available to any of us; it’s all politicized to shit and ideological fuckwitery. Everyone lies. Every source lies.. I dunno why, they just do.
dv said:
Fox News thinks Trump’s a dangerous idiot
Hey everyone… you know the reputation Fox has,,,, like they’re totally biased towards un-progressive conservative and shit and that makes them terrible. Hey everyone, if even the terrible news outlets think Trump is a dangerous idiot then it must be true….
Right?
right?
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The ‘main-stream media are so biased that Fox through Infowars serve a legitimate need for balance’ kool-aid. I agree that MSNBC is just as biased as Fox but that doesn’t mean there aren’t valid centrist news sources like the the news pages of the NYTimes and the Economist.
I do not trust any of these fuckers. Please understand though, intellectually I identify as an empirical skepticist… I don’t even trust myself…. I don’t have access to the information needed to be properly skeptical because that information does not exist. Media outlets are supposed to provide this information… this is the utility of the media… but they (the media) don’t, there is no accurate sources of information available to any of us; it’s all politicized to shit and ideological fuckwitery. Everyone lies. Every source lies.. I dunno why, they just do.
Poor Esselte. You sound troubled.
I think there are some things to be trusted in this world.
Trump and those he works for…..nope, not much to trust there.
ruby said:
I think there are some things to be trusted in this world.
Let’s revisit this in a couple of years.
esselte said:
ruby said:
I think there are some things to be trusted in this world.
Let’s revisit this in a couple of years.
I do believe the things in which I trust will still be there. I also believe that the things that have visited the likes of Trump and Brexit and Murdoch will also still be here.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
ruby said:
esselte said:
ruby said:
I think there are some things to be trusted in this world.
Let’s revisit this in a couple of years.
I do believe the things in which I trust will still be there. I also believe that the things that have visited the likes of Trump and Brexit and Murdoch will also still be here.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I understand. I was the same, thinking those things I trusted in were universal; and just a few years ago.
In various internet fora over the years I’ve often found my concerns tend to be ahead of the l curve by a few years… anecdotally, I appear to be particularly sensitive to “shit that’s about to go down” whilst being particularly insensitive to “shit that is going down”.
For two years from now…. note the phrase “democratic deconsolidation”….. note the word “Enby”…. note the phrase “Post-Trump”…. I’ll add to this list as it occurs to me.
esselte said:
ruby said:
esselte said:Let’s revisit this in a couple of years.
I do believe the things in which I trust will still be there. I also believe that the things that have visited the likes of Trump and Brexit and Murdoch will also still be here.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I understand. I was the same, thinking those things I trusted in were universal; and just a few years ago.
In various internet fora over the years I’ve often found my concerns tend to be ahead of the l curve by a few years… anecdotally, I appear to be particularly sensitive to “shit that’s about to go down” whilst being particularly insensitive to “shit that is going down”.
For two years from now…. note the phrase “democratic deconsolidation”….. note the word “Enby”…. note the phrase “Post-Trump”…. I’ll add to this list as it occurs to me.
Democratic deconsolidation is being engineered. As it always has been.
ruby said:
esselte said:
ruby said:I do believe the things in which I trust will still be there. I also believe that the things that have visited the likes of Trump and Brexit and Murdoch will also still be here.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I understand. I was the same, thinking those things I trusted in were universal; and just a few years ago.
In various internet fora over the years I’ve often found my concerns tend to be ahead of the l curve by a few years… anecdotally, I appear to be particularly sensitive to “shit that’s about to go down” whilst being particularly insensitive to “shit that is going down”.
For two years from now…. note the phrase “democratic deconsolidation”….. note the word “Enby”…. note the phrase “Post-Trump”…. I’ll add to this list as it occurs to me.
Democratic deconsolidation is being engineered. As it always has been.
Deconsolidation is a relatively new hypothetical social paradigm. Consolidation has, for many decades, been considered the de jour position by both scholars and the general public. Can you provide any evidence, argument or sources to support the position that deconsolidation has been engineered for a significant amount of time, or indeed has been engineered at all in western societies?
A powerful committee in the US Congress has launched an inquiry into spending by the US Defence Department at the Scottish Government owned Prestwick Airport amid concerns of “serious conflicts of interest” and potential violations over military custom at the loss making hub and President Donald Trump’s nearby Turnberry resort.
The House Oversight and Reform Committee said US military spending at the publicly owned South Ayrshire airport had “increased substantially” since Trump came to office, and points out that the airport is “integral” to Turnberry’s financial success.
Its comes after a recent Scotsman investigation detailed how Prestwick’s parent company has received more than £9.02m for 644 orders to refuel US Armed Forces aircraft between October 2017 and March this year.
Scotland on Sunday can reveal that in the six months since, a further slew of refuelling orders has netted Prestwick a further £4.8m.
The deal with the US Defence Logistics Agency (DLA), which manages the global supply chain for the US Army, Air Force, and Navy, is by far the airport’s single biggest revenue stream.
Patrick Harvie MSP, co leader of the Scottish Greens, has accused the Scottish Government of “propping up Donald Trump’s militaristic agenda” given the airport’s extensive US military custom.
However, the spending has also raised questions over whether Trump’s golf resort and hotel is benefiting from the flurry of US military activity in the area.
It emerged yesterday that an Air National Guard crew who stopped over at Prestwick on a C-17 military transport plane while en route to Kuwait stayed at Trump’s loss making flagship Scottish resort.
A report in Politico cited multiple sources who said the five man crew stayed at Turnberry in April, with one crew member noting that their per diem allowance did not cover the cost of food and drinks.
It quoted one senior US Air Force official who said the decision to refuel at Prestwick and stay at Turnberry was unusual for such a mission.
A senior Democratic aide on the committee told Politico: “The Defence Department has not produced a single document in this investigation.
“The committee will be forced to consider alternative steps if the Pentagon does not begin complying voluntarily in the coming days.”
The House of Representatives committee, which has far reaching investigatory powers into US federal government business, has written to the US Defence Department, demanding documents and spending records related to Prestwick, including “communications related to Defence Department flights routed through Prestwick.”
Prime Minister Boris Johnson speaking in front of police cadets in Wakefield
Police chief ‘disappointed’ by…
SNP Westminster group leader Ian Blackford said the poll ‘underlines the strength of opposition’ in Scotland to Brexit. Picture: JPIMedia
Tories set to lose all Scottish seats to…
The committee’s letter, addressed to Patrick Shanahan, the acting US defence secretary, has asked the Pentagon for all “pre audit flags” related to military travel through Prestwick and Turnberry, as well as defence travel system records, authorisations, and travel charge card statements detailing overnight stays.
The letter, sent by Elijah Cummings, the committee’s chair, and his fellow Democrat, Jamie Raskin, asks for any “requests for transportation, lodging, or travel allowances beyond the normal allocations in the defence travel system.”
It also calls on the Pentagon disclose all and any correspondence between the US Defence Department and Trump’s firms in Scotland.
A new extended deal between Prestwick and the DLA, known as a EUCOM Into-Plane contract, will come into force next month and last until September 2024. It will allow for the supply of around 12.4 million gallons of aviation fuel, approximately three million more than the current arrangement.
Prestwick and Trump have long had close ties predating his election. Soon after he bought the Turnberry resort in 2014, the two announced an “official partnership.”
The airport subsequently said no such arrangement ever existed, but previous investigations by Scotland on Sunday have shown Turnberry and Prestwick discussed working together to win business and integrate their businesses.
Staff at Turnberry were even asked to help pitch for prospective airlines to help shore up the beleaguered airport, put up for sale earlier this year by Scottish ministers.
A buyer for the airport is expected to be announced shortly.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/congress-probe-as-us-military-spending-increase-at-prestwick-airport-linked-to-trump-turnberry-1-4999593
sarahs mum said:
A powerful committee in the US Congress has launched an inquiry into spending by the US Defence Department at the Scottish Government owned Prestwick Airport amid concerns of “serious conflicts of interest” and potential violations over military custom at the loss making hub and President Donald Trump’s nearby Turnberry resort.The House Oversight and Reform Committee said US military spending at the publicly owned South Ayrshire airport had “increased substantially” since Trump came to office, and points out that the airport is “integral” to Turnberry’s financial success.
Its comes after a recent Scotsman investigation detailed how Prestwick’s parent company has received more than £9.02m for 644 orders to refuel US Armed Forces aircraft between October 2017 and March this year.
Scotland on Sunday can reveal that in the six months since, a further slew of refuelling orders has netted Prestwick a further £4.8m.
The deal with the US Defence Logistics Agency (DLA), which manages the global supply chain for the US Army, Air Force, and Navy, is by far the airport’s single biggest revenue stream.
Patrick Harvie MSP, co leader of the Scottish Greens, has accused the Scottish Government of “propping up Donald Trump’s militaristic agenda” given the airport’s extensive US military custom.
However, the spending has also raised questions over whether Trump’s golf resort and hotel is benefiting from the flurry of US military activity in the area.
It emerged yesterday that an Air National Guard crew who stopped over at Prestwick on a C-17 military transport plane while en route to Kuwait stayed at Trump’s loss making flagship Scottish resort.
A report in Politico cited multiple sources who said the five man crew stayed at Turnberry in April, with one crew member noting that their per diem allowance did not cover the cost of food and drinks.
It quoted one senior US Air Force official who said the decision to refuel at Prestwick and stay at Turnberry was unusual for such a mission.
A senior Democratic aide on the committee told Politico: “The Defence Department has not produced a single document in this investigation.
“The committee will be forced to consider alternative steps if the Pentagon does not begin complying voluntarily in the coming days.”
The House of Representatives committee, which has far reaching investigatory powers into US federal government business, has written to the US Defence Department, demanding documents and spending records related to Prestwick, including “communications related to Defence Department flights routed through Prestwick.”
Prime Minister Boris Johnson speaking in front of police cadets in Wakefield
Police chief ‘disappointed’ by…SNP Westminster group leader Ian Blackford said the poll ‘underlines the strength of opposition’ in Scotland to Brexit. Picture: JPIMedia
Tories set to lose all Scottish seats to…The committee’s letter, addressed to Patrick Shanahan, the acting US defence secretary, has asked the Pentagon for all “pre audit flags” related to military travel through Prestwick and Turnberry, as well as defence travel system records, authorisations, and travel charge card statements detailing overnight stays.
The letter, sent by Elijah Cummings, the committee’s chair, and his fellow Democrat, Jamie Raskin, asks for any “requests for transportation, lodging, or travel allowances beyond the normal allocations in the defence travel system.”
It also calls on the Pentagon disclose all and any correspondence between the US Defence Department and Trump’s firms in Scotland.
A new extended deal between Prestwick and the DLA, known as a EUCOM Into-Plane contract, will come into force next month and last until September 2024. It will allow for the supply of around 12.4 million gallons of aviation fuel, approximately three million more than the current arrangement.
Prestwick and Trump have long had close ties predating his election. Soon after he bought the Turnberry resort in 2014, the two announced an “official partnership.”
The airport subsequently said no such arrangement ever existed, but previous investigations by Scotland on Sunday have shown Turnberry and Prestwick discussed working together to win business and integrate their businesses.
Staff at Turnberry were even asked to help pitch for prospective airlines to help shore up the beleaguered airport, put up for sale earlier this year by Scottish ministers.
A buyer for the airport is expected to be announced shortly.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/congress-probe-as-us-military-spending-increase-at-prestwick-airport-linked-to-trump-turnberry-1-4999593
I wouldn’t be at all surprised that when the examination is complete it is found that the spending at the airport pre-Trump wasn’t that much different. Planes flying from the USA to the middle east would have to do a stop-over and refuel. Where else are they doing this?
A buyer for the airport is expected to be announced shortly.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/congress-probe-as-us-military-spending-increase-at-prestwick-airport-linked-to-trump-turnberry-1-4999593
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The Scot’s seem to be angsty about the SNP ‘propping’ up Trump. The Scottish govt bailed out the airport for a pound some years back. Seems the airport has been used by the US military for decades on and off.
Although it is cheaper for the military to go through a US army base in Germany or Spain.
The change is the military staying at Trump’s gold course.
sarahs mum said:
A buyer for the airport is expected to be announced shortly.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/congress-probe-as-us-military-spending-increase-at-prestwick-airport-linked-to-trump-turnberry-1-4999593
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The Scot’s seem to be angsty about the SNP ‘propping’ up Trump. The Scottish govt bailed out the airport for a pound some years back. Seems the airport has been used by the US military for decades on and off.
Although it is cheaper for the military to go through a US army base in Germany or Spain.
The change is the military staying at Trump’s gold course.
Golf not gold. Although it probably is gold.
sarahs mum said:
A buyer for the airport is expected to be announced shortly.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/congress-probe-as-us-military-spending-increase-at-prestwick-airport-linked-to-trump-turnberry-1-4999593
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The Scot’s seem to be angsty about the SNP ‘propping’ up Trump. The Scottish govt bailed out the airport for a pound some years back. Seems the airport has been used by the US military for decades on and off.
Although it is cheaper for the military to go through a US army base in Germany or Spain.
The change is the military staying at Trump’s gold course.
The paper quotes a crew of five staying at the hotel. I very much doubt that 5 people staying one night is actually propping up Trump. I think Trump is an idiot and the sooner he is gone the better, but some of the crap that comes out to ‘put him down’ verges upon the insane. Or you really need to do is just concentrate on the man himself and the crap he says.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:A buyer for the airport is expected to be announced shortly.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/congress-probe-as-us-military-spending-increase-at-prestwick-airport-linked-to-trump-turnberry-1-4999593
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The Scot’s seem to be angsty about the SNP ‘propping’ up Trump. The Scottish govt bailed out the airport for a pound some years back. Seems the airport has been used by the US military for decades on and off.
Although it is cheaper for the military to go through a US army base in Germany or Spain.
The change is the military staying at Trump’s gold course.
The paper quotes a crew of five staying at the hotel. I very much doubt that 5 people staying one night is actually propping up Trump. I think Trump is an idiot and the sooner he is gone the better, but some of the crap that comes out to ‘put him down’ verges upon the insane. Or you really need to do is just concentrate on the man himself and the crap he says.
The committee is asking how many times it has happened. Please give us all the info.
And the Scotsman has at least added info. Even if it is skewed in a different way to the way the US press is skewing it.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:A buyer for the airport is expected to be announced shortly.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/congress-probe-as-us-military-spending-increase-at-prestwick-airport-linked-to-trump-turnberry-1-4999593
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The Scot’s seem to be angsty about the SNP ‘propping’ up Trump. The Scottish govt bailed out the airport for a pound some years back. Seems the airport has been used by the US military for decades on and off.
Although it is cheaper for the military to go through a US army base in Germany or Spain.
The change is the military staying at Trump’s gold course.
The paper quotes a crew of five staying at the hotel. I very much doubt that 5 people staying one night is actually propping up Trump. I think Trump is an idiot and the sooner he is gone the better, but some of the crap that comes out to ‘put him down’ verges upon the insane. Or you really need to do is just concentrate on the man himself and the crap he says.
The US government has paid over $120 million dollars to Trump’s organisations for accommodation during his time in office, because his security detail has to be accommodated where he stays, and he spends a lot of time outside the White House at his resorts. It’s a considerable sum.
Thanks, uh, Fox News, for bringing this to my attention…
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-republican-parties-to-scrap-primaries-infuriating-potential-trump-challengers
Several state GOP parties could scrap presidential primaries, infuriating potential Trump challengersFour state Republican parties are looking at possibly scrapping their primaries and caucuses for 2020, giving President Trump a clear run in those states, and creating a new hurdle for primary challengers.
Politico first reported that Arizona, Kansas, Nevada and South Carolina were expected to finalize their plans this weekend.
This is par for the course in Arizona, which does not typically hold Republican primaries when there is a Republican President seeking reelection.
Kansas and South Carolina however usually do hold those Primaries, as they did for instance when Pat Buchanan ran against incumbent GHW Bush.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1170546650651271169
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Don’t ask me. I don’t understand.
sarahs mum said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1170546650651271169
—————Don’t ask me. I don’t understand.
That’s his real account
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1170546650651271169
—————Don’t ask me. I don’t understand.
That’s his real account
Yeah. But..
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1170546650651271169
—————Don’t ask me. I don’t understand.
That’s his real account
Yeah. But..
Why are things like this now?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:That’s his real account
Yeah. But..
Why are things like this now?
oh. yes.
And does this mean he is trolling himself?
Or does it mean something else?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Yeah. But..
Why are things like this now?
oh. yes.
And does this mean he is trolling himself?
Or does it mean something else?
I will make no attempt to understand his mind
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:Why are things like this now?
oh. yes.
And does this mean he is trolling himself?
Or does it mean something else?
I will make no attempt to understand his mind
Okay. I will stop trying to work this out.
Maybe Sibeen will know.
Donald Trump in sights of Anthony Scaramucci, who vows to make him one-term president
Key points:
The former White House communications director is fundraising against his former boss
Mr Scaramucci accused Donald Trump of “tearing at the racial and social fabric” of the United States
Mr Trump has previously labelled him an “unstable nut job” and incompetent
Mr Scaramucci said he turned on his former boss because as a businessman he is constantly evaluating scenarios and would rather be called a traitor then support what he sees as racism.
In his case, it was the President telling four congresswomen of colour to go back where they came from.
“He is tearing at the racial and social fabric of society and so whatever good is happening on the policy side, and many of those business policies I agree with, you’re tearing and you’re ripping apart the social fabric of the society,” he said.
Traits from this article
Malignant narcissist
Unstable nut job
Disruptive
Incompetent
Has very low self-esteem
Trump has lost global credibility
Trump is ripping apart the social fabric of the society
more…
“Mr Scaramucci said he turned on his former boss because as a businessman he is constantly evaluating scenarios and would rather be called a traitor then support what he sees as racism.”
Well okay but nothing at all has changed between when he joined Trump’s team and now. All the arguments he makes could have been made any time in 2015 to 2018
Tau.Neutrino said:
Donald Trump in sights of Anthony Scaramucci, who vows to make him one-term presidentKey points:
The former White House communications director is fundraising against his former boss
Mr Scaramucci accused Donald Trump of “tearing at the racial and social fabric” of the United States
Mr Trump has previously labelled him an “unstable nut job” and incompetentMr Scaramucci said he turned on his former boss because as a businessman he is constantly evaluating scenarios and would rather be called a traitor then support what he sees as racism.
In his case, it was the President telling four congresswomen of colour to go back where they came from.
“He is tearing at the racial and social fabric of society and so whatever good is happening on the policy side, and many of those business policies I agree with, you’re tearing and you’re ripping apart the social fabric of the society,” he said.
Traits from this article
Malignant narcissist
Unstable nut job
Disruptive
Incompetent
Has very low self-esteem
Trump has lost global credibility
Trump is ripping apart the social fabric of the societymore…
It is interesting noting different peoples’ ‘bridge too far.’
Democrats third debate is on Thursday at 9 am Melbourne time. All the big guns on the one stage for the first time. All pilling onto poor old Joe. I hope he bites back :)
Air Force leaders order probe of Trump resort stays
Stopovers at Scotland airport have tripled since 2015 and overnight stays in the area are up five-fold.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/08/trump-resort-air-force-probe-1485447
dv said:
Air Force leaders order probe of Trump resort staysStopovers at Scotland airport have tripled since 2015 and overnight stays in the area are up five-fold.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/08/trump-resort-air-force-probe-1485447
Tripled since 2015. I’d be checking some of those Air Force people for precognition.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Air Force leaders order probe of Trump resort staysStopovers at Scotland airport have tripled since 2015 and overnight stays in the area are up five-fold.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/08/trump-resort-air-force-probe-1485447
Tripled since 2015. I’d be checking some of those Air Force people for precognition.
From what I read the other day it is cheaper to land at USAF base in Germany or Spain. But keeping other options open is a thing and landing at Prestwick has happened pre Trump. But staying at a Trump golf course is new.
https://lithub.com/rebecca-solnit-the-loneliness-of-donald-trump/
Trump Family Is Building ‘Dynasty’ To Last ‘Decades,’ Says Campaign Manager
Trump 2020 campaign manager Brad Parscale told GOP delegates that the president and his family are transforming the Republican Party “into a new party.”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-family-dynasty-decades-campaign-manager_n_5d75611be4b064513570273b
sarahs mum said:
Trump Family Is Building ‘Dynasty’ To Last ‘Decades,’ Says Campaign Manager
Trump 2020 campaign manager Brad Parscale told GOP delegates that the president and his family are transforming the Republican Party “into a new party.”https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-family-dynasty-decades-campaign-manager_n_5d75611be4b064513570273b
“Speaking to a convention of Republican Party delegates in Indian Wells, California, Brad Parscale also said the campaign’s goal is to build a national army of 2 million trained volunteers, far beyond the president’s 2016 organization, that in California could help the GOP retake a string of U.S. House seats captured by Democrats last year.”
Those words :/
kii said:
sarahs mum said:Trump Family Is Building ‘Dynasty’ To Last ‘Decades,’ Says Campaign Manager
Trump 2020 campaign manager Brad Parscale told GOP delegates that the president and his family are transforming the Republican Party “into a new party.”https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-family-dynasty-decades-campaign-manager_n_5d75611be4b064513570273b
“Speaking to a convention of Republican Party delegates in Indian Wells, California, Brad Parscale also said the campaign’s goal is to build a national army of 2 million trained volunteers, far beyond the president’s 2016 organization, that in California could help the GOP retake a string of U.S. House seats captured by Democrats last year.”
Those words :/
crazy shit/
Paul Stickman (from Feminists Without Religion: “Why is this idiot making decisions for the country? This blundering schoolboy, with his stupid fresh-out-of-detention appearance and copy of the Beano hidden in among the work he’s supposed to be doing, clearly hasn’t been listening in lessons and has no idea what he’s supposed to do for his homework but he knows he’ll get caned if he doesn’t, so here we are. The man is a fucking unbearable quarterwit and I cannot wait to see his career and personal life disintegrate.
Arsehole.”
‘Girly swot’, ‘big girl’s blouse’ are sexist jibes and shouldn’t be used by the PM

The other day I offered to put a sign in our yard for a local election.The woman is a Republican, voted for the shit pile, but doesn’t even know what “left-wing” means. She’s working very hard on local disability issues…..like light poles in the middle of narrow pavements.
kii said:
The other day I offered to put a sign in our yard for a local election.The woman is a Republican, voted for the shit pile, but doesn’t even know what “left-wing” means. She’s working very hard on local disability issues…..like light poles in the middle of narrow pavements.
I probably wouldn’t help her
dv said:
kii said:
The other day I offered to put a sign in our yard for a local election.The woman is a Republican, voted for the shit pile, but doesn’t even know what “left-wing” means. She’s working very hard on local disability issues…..like light poles in the middle of narrow pavements.
I probably wouldn’t help her
No one else is doing anything about disabled access, including the woman she is running against. Plus she is setting up a local gallery and has hinted that there is a space for me.
sarahs mum said:
Trump Family Is Building ‘Dynasty’ To Last ‘Decades,’ Says Campaign Manager
Trump 2020 campaign manager Brad Parscale told GOP delegates that the president and his family are transforming the Republican Party “into a new party.”https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-family-dynasty-decades-campaign-manager_n_5d75611be4b064513570273b
*bumps
kii said:
dv said:
kii said:
The other day I offered to put a sign in our yard for a local election.The woman is a Republican, voted for the shit pile, but doesn’t even know what “left-wing” means. She’s working very hard on local disability issues…..like light poles in the middle of narrow pavements.
I probably wouldn’t help her
No one else is doing anything about disabled access, including the woman she is running against. Plus she is setting up a local gallery and has hinted that there is a space for me.
*shakes head slowly.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:Trump Family Is Building ‘Dynasty’ To Last ‘Decades,’ Says Campaign Manager
Trump 2020 campaign manager Brad Parscale told GOP delegates that the president and his family are transforming the Republican Party “into a new party.”https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-family-dynasty-decades-campaign-manager_n_5d75611be4b064513570273b
*bumps
Thank goddesses I am having a sugar rush from granola and yoghurt….I might be able to read that this time around :/
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
dv said:I probably wouldn’t help her
No one else is doing anything about disabled access, including the woman she is running against. Plus she is setting up a local gallery and has hinted that there is a space for me.
*shakes head slowly.
Also, local politics is shit already. The mayor is a fuckwit. I said bullshit as I left a meeting where he tried to stop people from having a say after we were invited to the meeting. He just turned up and took over the room. He’s a fuckwit, but my neighbour has him squarely in her eye. Compliance to ADA regs in front of the newly built city hall.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:Trump Family Is Building ‘Dynasty’ To Last ‘Decades,’ Says Campaign Manager
Trump 2020 campaign manager Brad Parscale told GOP delegates that the president and his family are transforming the Republican Party “into a new party.”https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-family-dynasty-decades-campaign-manager_n_5d75611be4b064513570273b
*bumps
Party for the rich, party for the middle earners and parties for others
Holy shit
US removed covert source in Russia due to safety concerns under Trump – report
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/09/us-removed-covert-source-in-russia-due-to-safety-concerns-under-trump
The US extracted “one of its highest-level covert sources inside the Russian government” in 2017, it was reported on Monday, in part because of concerns that mishandling of classified intelligence by Donald Trump and his administration could jeopardise the source’s safety … because Trump and his officials could not be fully trusted.
“CNN cited “multiple Trump administration officials with direct knowledge” of the matter and said “a person directly involved in the discussions” said the move was made because Trump and his officials could not be fully trusted.”
Wut?? Trump officials told CNN that they did it because Trump officials can’t be trusted?
Dropbear said:
“CNN cited “multiple Trump administration officials with direct knowledge” of the matter and said “a person directly involved in the discussions” said the move was made because Trump and his officials could not be fully trusted.”Wut?? Trump officials told CNN that they did it because Trump officials can’t be trusted?
(shrugs) I mean yeah. That’s basically been the story of the administration.
and Trump was informed of the move …. lmao… I guess not the reason.
dv said:
Holy shitUS removed covert source in Russia due to safety concerns under Trump – report
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/09/us-removed-covert-source-in-russia-due-to-safety-concerns-under-trumpThe US extracted “one of its highest-level covert sources inside the Russian government” in 2017, it was reported on Monday, in part because of concerns that mishandling of classified intelligence by Donald Trump and his administration could jeopardise the source’s safety … because Trump and his officials could not be fully trusted.
Yep, war soon, learning to shoot in a week or so.
My brains hurts.
dv said:
Holy shitUS removed covert source in Russia due to safety concerns under Trump – report
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/09/us-removed-covert-source-in-russia-due-to-safety-concerns-under-trumpThe US extracted “one of its highest-level covert sources inside the Russian government” in 2017, it was reported on Monday, in part because of concerns that mishandling of classified intelligence by Donald Trump and his administration could jeopardise the source’s safety … because Trump and his officials could not be fully trusted.
Trump is untrustworthy?
He was already untrustworthy well before he got elected.
?
There is a fourth Republican Presidential candidate, former South Carolina governor Mark Sanford.
dv said:
There is a fourth Republican Presidential candidate, former South Carolina governor Mark Sanford.
Mark Sanford has had an extra marital affair so obviously that will preclude him from becoming president.
Dropbear said:
dv said:
There is a fourth Republican Presidential candidate, former South Carolina governor Mark Sanford.
Mark Sanford has had an extra marital affair so obviously that will preclude him from becoming president.
Dropbear said:
dv said:
There is a fourth Republican Presidential candidate, former South Carolina governor Mark Sanford.
Mark Sanford has had an extra marital affair so obviously that will preclude him from becoming president.
Most amusing
dv said:
Dropbear said:
dv said:
There is a fourth Republican Presidential candidate, former South Carolina governor Mark Sanford.
Mark Sanford has had an extra marital affair so obviously that will preclude him from becoming president.
Most amusing
I’m old enough to remember when not being able to spell potato was enough of an issue.
Dropbear said:
dv said:
Dropbear said:Mark Sanford has had an extra marital affair so obviously that will preclude him from becoming president.
Most amusing
I’m old enough to remember when not being able to spell potato was enough of an issue.
Or saying I am a sausage.
Dropbear said:
dv said:
Dropbear said:Mark Sanford has had an extra marital affair so obviously that will preclude him from becoming president.
Most amusing
I’m old enough to remember when not being able to spell potato was enough of an issue.
I’m old to remember when you were stuffed if you didn’t declare a teddy bear or a tv.
Dropbear said:
dv said:
There is a fourth Republican Presidential candidate, former South Carolina governor Mark Sanford.
Mark Sanford has had an extra marital affair so obviously that will preclude him from becoming president.
Is that the one who was pretending to be lost in the jungles of central America? He was with his mistress or a porn star hooker child sex trafficker?
kii said:
Dropbear said:
dv said:
There is a fourth Republican Presidential candidate, former South Carolina governor Mark Sanford.
Mark Sanford has had an extra marital affair so obviously that will preclude him from becoming president.
Is that the one who was pretending to be lost in the jungles of central America? He was with his mistress or a porn star hooker child sex trafficker?
During the six days of absence, one of the excuses offered by Sanford’s spokesperson was that Sanford was hiking the Appalachian Trail. As a result, “hiking the Appalachian Trail” or “hiking the Appalachians” became a euphemism for a sexual scandal in the English language.
lmao
As Congress returns from recess, for the first time ever, House Dems are taking formal steps towards impeachment, laying out specific procedures governing hearings moving forward.
Escalation: Democrats Take Formal Steps On Impeachment Probe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYZeeBKfZoQ
sarahs mum said:
As Congress returns from recess, for the first time ever, House Dems are taking formal steps towards impeachment, laying out specific procedures governing hearings moving forward.Escalation: Democrats Take Formal Steps On Impeachment Probe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYZeeBKfZoQ
20:1 it ain’t gunna happen.

sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
As Congress returns from recess, for the first time ever, House Dems are taking formal steps towards impeachment, laying out specific procedures governing hearings moving forward.Escalation: Democrats Take Formal Steps On Impeachment Probe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYZeeBKfZoQ
20:1 it ain’t gunna happen.
It is an equation about shit and a hill.
The acting chief scientist at NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, is conducting an investigation after a week that ended with the scientific agency issuing a statement that sought to bolster President Donald Trump’s erroneous claim that a recent hurricane posed a threat to the state of Alabama.As Hurricane Dorian devastated the Bahamas and threatened parts of the United States, Trump held firm on his Sept. 1 claim that the storm would threaten Alabama, despite being contradicted by the National Weather Service on Sunday soon after his original tweet. Trump used an altered NOAA map of Hurricane Dorian’s path as a visual aid while speaking reporters in the Oval Office last week.
Then, an unsigned statement released by NOAA late Friday disavowed the Sept. 1 tweet by the Birmingham station of the National Weather Service that had sought to correct Trump’s claim.
“The NWS Forecaster(s) corrected any public misunderstanding in an expert and timely way, as they should,” NOAA’s Craig McLean wrote in an email to his agency colleagues Sunday, according to the Washington Post.“There followed, last Friday, an unsigned news release from ‘NOAA’ that inappropriately and incorrectly contradicted the NWS forecaster. My understanding is that this intervention to contradict the forecaster was not based on science but on external factors including reputation and appearance, or simply put, political.”
After pointing out how the episode raises questions about trust in the agency’s information, possible danger to the public as a result and the agency’s scientific integrity policy, he continued: “I have a responsibility to pursue these truths,” NOAA’s acting chief scientist also wrote. “I will.”
There is an election today …
North Carolina 9th Congressional district special election. The 2018 election was voided because of electoral fraud by the Republican Party. Republican candidate Mark Harris’s team “ coordinated an effort to illegally collect unsealed absentee ballots, mislead election authorities and, in some cases, fill out ballots on behalf of voters.”
This is an extremely Republican leaning district (14% more Republican-leaning than the nation as a whole, generally), but polls are indicating it will be fairly close. This might be partly due to the general low favourability of the Republican Party right now, and partly due to the stink over the electoral fraud. In the end it will probably come down to motivation/turnout.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-bahamas-hurricane-dorian-refugees-press-conference-today-a9098391.html
Trump says Bahamas full of ‘very bad gang members’ as he doubles down on not letting Hurricane Dorian refugees in to US
dv said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-bahamas-hurricane-dorian-refugees-press-conference-today-a9098391.htmlTrump says Bahamas full of ‘very bad gang members’ as he doubles down on not letting Hurricane Dorian refugees in to US
Trump’s the only person I’ve ever seen who applauds himself at his own rally.
Neophyte said:
dv said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-bahamas-hurricane-dorian-refugees-press-conference-today-a9098391.htmlTrump says Bahamas full of ‘very bad gang members’ as he doubles down on not letting Hurricane Dorian refugees in to US
Trump’s the only person I’ve ever seen who applauds himself at his own rally.
LLO, but so true!
Michael V said:
Neophyte said:
dv said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-bahamas-hurricane-dorian-refugees-press-conference-today-a9098391.htmlTrump says Bahamas full of ‘very bad gang members’ as he doubles down on not letting Hurricane Dorian refugees in to US
Trump’s the only person I’ve ever seen who applauds himself at his own rally.
-LLO,_
LOL but so true!
Fixed…
LOL
John “Dickhead” Bolton has been fired as National Security Advisor. Not sorry he’s gone, but also expect his replacement to be worse.
dv said:
John “Dickhead” Bolton has been fired as National Security Advisor. Not sorry he’s gone, but also expect his replacement to be worse.
This is the last one, from here on in it will be stability and unity running into the election season.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
John “Dickhead” Bolton has been fired as National Security Advisor. Not sorry he’s gone, but also expect his replacement to be worse.
This is the last one, from here on in it will be stability and unity running into the election season.
I think they will probably go with
“Stability and unity keeping America great” as the election slogan this time.
The next four years after the election will be spent on looking at what options are available to get around the pesky two term 8 year thing.
Some kind of clone wars I expect…
dv said:
John “Dickhead” Bolton has been fired as National Security Advisor. Not sorry he’s gone, but also expect his replacement to be worse.
is there worse??
Dropbear said:
dv said:
John “Dickhead” Bolton has been fired as National Security Advisor. Not sorry he’s gone, but also expect his replacement to be worse.
is there worse??
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
John “Dickhead” Bolton has been fired as National Security Advisor. Not sorry he’s gone, but also expect his replacement to be worse.
This is the last one, from here on in it will be stability and unity running into the election season.
I think they will probably go with
“Stability and unity keeping America great” as the election slogan this time.
The next four years after the election will be spent on looking at what options are available to get around the pesky two term 8 year thing.
So you like President Gabbard deserves a solid 20 year run?
dv said:
Dropbear said:
dv said:
John “Dickhead” Bolton has been fired as National Security Advisor. Not sorry he’s gone, but also expect his replacement to be worse.
is there worse??
Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, some other angry unqualified lunatic
General “Buck” Turgidson : I know how it is, baby. Tell you what you do: you just start your countdown, and old Bucky’ll be back here before you can say “Blast off!”
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:This is the last one, from here on in it will be stability and unity running into the election season.
I think they will probably go with
“Stability and unity keeping America great” as the election slogan this time.
The next four years after the election will be spent on looking at what options are available to get around the pesky two term 8 year thing.
So you like President Gabbard deserves a solid 20 year run?
I think once you break this 8 year nexus anything is possible.
dv said:
There is an election today …North Carolina 9th Congressional district special election. The 2018 election was voided because of electoral fraud by the Republican Party. Republican candidate Mark Harris’s team “ coordinated an effort to illegally collect unsealed absentee ballots, mislead election authorities and, in some cases, fill out ballots on behalf of voters.”
This is an extremely Republican leaning district (14% more Republican-leaning than the nation as a whole, generally), but polls are indicating it will be fairly close. This might be partly due to the general low favourability of the Republican Party right now, and partly due to the stink over the electoral fraud. In the end it will probably come down to motivation/turnout.
The replacement Republican candidate won, with 50.8% of the vote.
dv said:
dv said:
There is an election today …North Carolina 9th Congressional district special election. The 2018 election was voided because of electoral fraud by the Republican Party. Republican candidate Mark Harris’s team “ coordinated an effort to illegally collect unsealed absentee ballots, mislead election authorities and, in some cases, fill out ballots on behalf of voters.”
This is an extremely Republican leaning district (14% more Republican-leaning than the nation as a whole, generally), but polls are indicating it will be fairly close. This might be partly due to the general low favourability of the Republican Party right now, and partly due to the stink over the electoral fraud. In the end it will probably come down to motivation/turnout.
The replacement Republican candidate won, with 50.8% of the vote.
Close.






“To measure how much impact Mr Trump’s unpredictable tweets have on US interest rates, investment bank JP Morgan has created the “Volfefe index”.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-10/trump-volfefe-index/11495726
This is on the real Mike Pence Twitter account
Note that Pence normally uses standard syntax, is not prone to elliptical phrases exclamations, doesn’t use all-caps or random capitalisation, and generally writes like an adult. There is a zero percent chance he wrote this.
dv said:
This is on the real Mike Pence Twitter account
Note that Pence normally uses standard syntax, is not prone to elliptical phrases exclamations, doesn’t use all-caps or random capitalisation, and generally writes like an adult. There is a zero percent chance he wrote this.
Well spottoed.
So Trump is losing all the head to head polling against all the Democrats, bigly, but what I’d like to see is how some of the other Republican candidates are doing on that metric, just to give people something to think about. How is Weld vs Biden?
Has anyone done a dancing nude Donald Trump as a gif, that would be funny, like dancing baby from ages ago.
Close enough
Naked Donald Trump statues pop up in US cities
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4dnrTd4P_Y
NSFW
Donald trump nude
https://patch.com/img/cdn20/users/131055/20160818/121711/styles/raw/public/article_images/slack_for_ios_upload-2-1471536934-8931.jpg
Story
Naked Donald Trump Statue Captures Hearts in New York City, But Is Quickly Torn Down (PHOTOS)
https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/naked-trump-statue-captures-attention-union-square
A nude dancing trump gif on White House computers would be a hackers dream.
Trumpet is going to ban e cigarettes
Trump moves to ban flavored e-cigarette products across the US
https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/trump-moves-to-ban-flavored-e-cigarette-liquids-across-united/
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trumpet is going to ban e cigarettesTrump moves to ban flavored e-cigarette products across the US
https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/trump-moves-to-ban-flavored-e-cigarette-liquids-across-united/
Madness.
He probably thinks it will be a popular move, but it will much more likely lose him votes than gain him any. Vaping isn’t restricted to lefty hipsters these days.
Bubblecar said:
He probably thinks it will be a popular move, but it will much more likely lose him votes than gain him any. Vaping isn’t restricted to lefty hipsters these days.
yeah, lots of alt righties vapor, redneck righties vapor….lots of vaporists.
Bubblecar said:
He probably thinks it will be a popular move, but it will much more likely lose him votes than gain him any. Vaping isn’t restricted to lefty hipsters these days.
Maybe the airlines will lobby against it on the grounds it would discourage tourism.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
He probably thinks it will be a popular move, but it will much more likely lose him votes than gain him any. Vaping isn’t restricted to lefty hipsters these days.
Maybe the airlines will lobby against it on the grounds it would discourage tourism.
Antivaxers will claim it will cause more mass killings.
Bubblecar said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trumpet is going to ban e cigarettesTrump moves to ban flavored e-cigarette products across the US
https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/trump-moves-to-ban-flavored-e-cigarette-liquids-across-united/
Madness.
He isn’t going to ban e-cigarettes, the mooted ban is on the flavoured liquids. and only the flavoured liquids.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trumpet is going to ban e cigarettesTrump moves to ban flavored e-cigarette products across the US
https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/trump-moves-to-ban-flavored-e-cigarette-liquids-across-united/
Madness.
He isn’t going to ban e-cigarettes, the mooted ban is on the flavoured liquids. and only the flavoured liquids.
Nearly all the liquids are flavoured.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:Madness.
He isn’t going to ban e-cigarettes, the mooted ban is on the flavoured liquids. and only the flavoured liquids.
Nearly all the liquids are flavoured.
The health authorities are worried about the uptake of vaping amoungst the yoof and this proposal is to hopefully cut down on that.
Bubblecar said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trumpet is going to ban e cigarettesTrump moves to ban flavored e-cigarette products across the US
https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/trump-moves-to-ban-flavored-e-cigarette-liquids-across-united/
Madness.
One step beyond!
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:He isn’t going to ban e-cigarettes, the mooted ban is on the flavoured liquids. and only the flavoured liquids.
Nearly all the liquids are flavoured.
The health authorities are worried about the uptake of vaping amoungst the yoof and this proposal is to hopefully cut down on that.
This proposal is to shore up his support amongst the hard-core conservatives, but he doesn’t need to do that. He needs to appeal to the many millions of swinging voters who won’t be voting for him this time.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:He isn’t going to ban e-cigarettes, the mooted ban is on the flavoured liquids. and only the flavoured liquids.
Nearly all the liquids are flavoured.
The health authorities are worried about the uptake of vaping amoungst the yoof and this proposal is to hopefully cut down on that.
The link posted earlier…by Arts?..has a more benign take.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/comment-the-killer-was-tainted-cannabis-not-nicotine-stopping-vaping-could-be-deadly
——
It’s nearly convinced me to order a kit.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:Nearly all the liquids are flavoured.
The health authorities are worried about the uptake of vaping amoungst the yoof and this proposal is to hopefully cut down on that.
The link posted earlier…by Arts?..has a more benign take.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/comment-the-killer-was-tainted-cannabis-not-nicotine-stopping-vaping-could-be-deadly
——
It’s nearly convinced me to order a kit.
Two different issues, sm. He’s not trying to ban vaping.
Bubblecar said:
He probably thinks it will be a popular move, but it will much more likely lose him votes than gain him any. Vaping isn’t restricted to lefty hipsters these days.
He has credited Melania for raising the matter, saying:
“That’s how the First Lady got involved. She’s got a son… together, that is a beautiful young man and she feels very strongly about it.”
https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/sep/12/shes-got-a-son-trump-seems-to-forget-he-has-a-son-with-melania-video
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
He probably thinks it will be a popular move, but it will much more likely lose him votes than gain him any. Vaping isn’t restricted to lefty hipsters these days.
He has credited Melania for raising the matter, saying:
“That’s how the First Lady got involved. She’s got a son… together, that is a beautiful young man and she feels very strongly about it.”
https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/sep/12/shes-got-a-son-trump-seems-to-forget-he-has-a-son-with-melania-video
Batman music
Will Trump forget who Melania is?
Has Trump reached Peak Information?
What will be Trumps next story created by mismatched memories?
Stay Tuned.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
He probably thinks it will be a popular move, but it will much more likely lose him votes than gain him any. Vaping isn’t restricted to lefty hipsters these days.
He has credited Melania for raising the matter, saying:
“That’s how the First Lady got involved. She’s got a son… together, that is a beautiful young man and she feels very strongly about it.”
https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/sep/12/shes-got-a-son-trump-seems-to-forget-he-has-a-son-with-melania-video
My opinion of Melania has gone down a notch.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
He probably thinks it will be a popular move, but it will much more likely lose him votes than gain him any. Vaping isn’t restricted to lefty hipsters these days.
He has credited Melania for raising the matter, saying:
“That’s how the First Lady got involved. She’s got a son… together, that is a beautiful young man and she feels very strongly about it.”
https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/sep/12/shes-got-a-son-trump-seems-to-forget-he-has-a-son-with-melania-video
My opinion of Melania has gone down a notch.
Another Glamour Queen
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:
dv said:He has credited Melania for raising the matter, saying:
“That’s how the First Lady got involved. She’s got a son… together, that is a beautiful young man and she feels very strongly about it.”
https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/sep/12/shes-got-a-son-trump-seems-to-forget-he-has-a-son-with-melania-video
My opinion of Melania has gone down a notch.
Another Glamour Queen
there are times I felt sorry for her, as if she was living in a bad dream and couldn’t escape.
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:
dv said:He has credited Melania for raising the matter, saying:
“That’s how the First Lady got involved. She’s got a son… together, that is a beautiful young man and she feels very strongly about it.”
https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/sep/12/shes-got-a-son-trump-seems-to-forget-he-has-a-son-with-melania-video
My opinion of Melania has gone down a notch.
Another Glamour Queen
It really is a concern though. I heard about one kid in school in Texas who got so sick from vaping that he almost dropped his assault rifle.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:My opinion of Melania has gone down a notch.
Another Glamour Queen
there are times I felt sorry for her, as if she was living in a bad dream and couldn’t escape.
A recurring bad dream.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:My opinion of Melania has gone down a notch.
Another Glamour Queen
It really is a concern though. I heard about one kid in school in Texas who got so sick from vaping that he almost dropped his assault rifle.
Trump could be the longest Ground Hog Day contestant ever.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:My opinion of Melania has gone down a notch.
Another Glamour Queen
there are times I felt sorry for her, as if she was living in a bad dream and couldn’t escape.
I go between thinking of her as a Russian spy who was set up with drump, or a victim in sex trafficking who fell for a fuckwit.

That one hits home.
sarahs mum said:
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That one hits home.
Oooh – I like that one. Gotta repost that.
party_pants said:
My opinion of Melania has gone down a notch.
must be coming from a pretty low base. surely.
Dropbear said:
party_pants said:My opinion of Melania has gone down a notch.
must be coming from a pretty low base. surely.
Melania gets a bad press, for obvious reasons, but it seems to me that she is in a difficult situation, and quite likely she has a strong moderating force on what TGWT would get up to if left to himself.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dropbear said:
party_pants said:My opinion of Melania has gone down a notch.
must be coming from a pretty low base. surely.
Melania gets a bad press, for obvious reasons, but it seems to me that she is in a difficult situation, and quite likely she has a strong moderating force on what TGWT would get up to if left to himself.
I can’t imagine she has very much clout with him on anything.
Dropbear said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dropbear said:must be coming from a pretty low base. surely.
Melania gets a bad press, for obvious reasons, but it seems to me that she is in a difficult situation, and quite likely she has a strong moderating force on what TGWT would get up to if left to himself.
I can’t imagine she has very much clout with him on anything.
Apparently Albuquerque will get the dipshit visiting them soon.
Ad during Democratic primaries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=30&v=XLM9p8m7BBM
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/13/politics/republican-2020-challengers-op-ed-canceled-primaries/index.html
All three Republican primary challengers lambasted state GOP leaders — and President Donald Trump — for opting to cancel their 2020 presidential primary elections in a show of support for the President.
“In the United States, citizens choose their leaders,” former Rep. Mark Sanford of South Carolina, former Rep. Joe Walsh of Illinois and former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld said in a Washington Post op-ed on Friday.
“The primary nomination process is the only opportunity for Republicans to have a voice in deciding who will represent our party,” they added. “Let those voices be heard.”
Their pushback comes after party leaders in Kansas, South Carolina and Nevada canceled their Republican primaries, with Arizona expected to make it official over the weekend. The scrapped primaries pose a further obstacle for the long-shot challengers, already fighting the incumbent President, who, according to a CNN/SSRS Poll, has an 88% approval rating among Republicans.
‘Where’s My Favorite Dictator?’: Trump’s Greeting Of Egypt’s President Causes World Leaders To Fall Silent
https://god.dailydot.com/trump-wheres-my-favorite-dictator/
——
I think it is real news.
dv said:
…says the lord of all liars, the Lyin’ King.
I want to see every Republican go on the record and knowingly vote against impeachment of this president, knowing his corruption, having it on the record, so that they can have that stain on their careers for the rest of their lives. — AOC
Every Republican who votes against impeachment is voting in favor of obstruction of justice, profiting from the presidency, continuously lying to the American people, abuse of power, misappropriation of funds, etc.
And every Republican who votes against impeachment is voting in favor of family separation. They’re voting to separate little children from their parents. That’s genocide, y’all. UN definition:
Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: a. Killing members of the group; b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.They’re voting in favor of genocide. White supremacy, and genocide.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/10/1884722/-AOC-Makes-an-Excellent-Point-About-Impeachment
The recent Yougov poll shows Donald Trump with a strong lead in the 2020 primaries.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/hrk03f83zc/econTabReport.pdf
Of those who say they intend to vote in the Republican primaries:
82% Trump
4% Weld
3% Sanford
1% Walsh
10% Unsure etc
dv said:
The recent Yougov poll shows Donald Trump with a strong lead in the 2020 primaries.https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/hrk03f83zc/econTabReport.pdf
Of those who say they intend to vote in the Republican primaries:
82% Trump
4% Weld
3% Sanford
1% Walsh
10% Unsure etc
s’unbelievable, isn’t it?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The recent Yougov poll shows Donald Trump with a strong lead in the 2020 primaries.https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/hrk03f83zc/econTabReport.pdf
Of those who say they intend to vote in the Republican primaries:
82% Trump
4% Weld
3% Sanford
1% Walsh
10% Unsure etc
s’unbelievable, isn’t it?
Can Obama come back?
He has some intelligence and decorum.
He never mocked people or was cruel to them………………
He never insulated congress or the senate………………..
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The recent Yougov poll shows Donald Trump with a strong lead in the 2020 primaries.https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/hrk03f83zc/econTabReport.pdf
Of those who say they intend to vote in the Republican primaries:
82% Trump
4% Weld
3% Sanford
1% Walsh
10% Unsure etc
s’unbelievable, isn’t it?
Can Obama come back?
He has some intelligence and decorum.
He never mocked people or was cruel to them………………
He never insulated congress or the senate………………..
Well he can’t come back as President unless the 22nd amendment is reversed.
I think Trump have reached peak information, all downhill from here.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The recent Yougov poll shows Donald Trump with a strong lead in the 2020 primaries.https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/hrk03f83zc/econTabReport.pdf
Of those who say they intend to vote in the Republican primaries:
82% Trump
4% Weld
3% Sanford
1% Walsh
10% Unsure etc
s’unbelievable, isn’t it?
Can Obama come back?
He has some intelligence and decorum.
He never mocked people or was cruel to them………………
He never insulated congress or the senate………………..
Anyone, absolutely anyone, running for the democrats is preferable to Trump.
DV’s post demonstrates that out of Republican voters Trump holds the lead for the next Presidential election as Republican candidate. Unbelievable.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:s’unbelievable, isn’t it?
Can Obama come back?
He has some intelligence and decorum.
He never mocked people or was cruel to them………………
He never insulated congress or the senate………………..
Well he can’t come back as President unless the 22nd amendment is reversed.
Nah, that’s not going to happen for another 4 years or so.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:s’unbelievable, isn’t it?
Can Obama come back?
He has some intelligence and decorum.
He never mocked people or was cruel to them………………
He never insulated congress or the senate………………..
Well he can’t come back as President unless the 22nd amendment is reversed.
IIRC there was some talk of repealing the 22nd Amendment to allow Reagan to have another go. It never got past the talking phase (obv.)
Plus, why would he want to? So good old boys can go back to calling him a muslim socialist? He’s done his duty.
Carter could still come back…
dv said:
Carter could still come back…
Carter could shoo away Trump with his walking stick.
I think America needs its superheroes to change American politics.
Its like a truck that’s become bogged in concrete.
Howdy
Kellyanne Conway Claims It Is Unconstitutional To Embarrass Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4vT_FCopDQ
sarahs mum said:
Kellyanne Conway Claims It Is Unconstitutional To Embarrass Trumphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4vT_FCopDQ
So does this mean he can be impeached, given that he constantly embarrasses himself?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Kellyanne Conway Claims It Is Unconstitutional To Embarrass Trumphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4vT_FCopDQ
So does this mean he can be impeached, given that he constantly embarrasses himself?
my first thought. my second was perhaps engaging a constitutional lawyer
Darn it.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/16/politics/trump-fact-check-tweet-on-iran-pre-conditions/index.html
Fact check: Trump blasts media for reporting he’d meet with Iran with no pre-conditions — but he said that, publicly
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/16/politics/trump-tax-returns-eight-years/index.html
Manhattan district attorney subpoenas 8 years of Trump tax returns
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/462682-romney-administration-should-hand-over-ukraine-transcript
Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) said on Monday that he wants the Trump administration to give Congress the transcript of a highly controversial call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
“I think it would be very helpful to get the transcript. … Absolutely, let’s see the transcript,” Romney told reporters when asked if the transcript should be given to Congress.
The call between Trump and Zelensky is reportedly tied to an intelligence community whistleblower complaint that has dominated headlines since late last week amid reports that Trump and his attorney Rudy Giuliani attempted to persuade Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden or his son Hunter Biden, who had business dealings in the country.
Trump appeared to acknowledge on Sunday that he had discussed Biden on the call with Zelensky. But he said on Monday that he did not threaten to withhold aid to Ukraine unless they investigated the Biden family.
“I did not make a statement that you have to do this or I’m not going to give you aid,” Trump told reporters on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly.
The White House has so far refused to hand over the whistleblower complaint to Congress. Trump has signaled that he’s open to releasing the transcript of the call with Zelensky.
Republicans have been careful not to directly criticize Trump even as Democrats have used the whistleblower complaint to fuel new demands that the House move on impeachment.
Romney, who has emerged as a critic of Trump on issues such as foreign policy, said that whether the conversation between Trump and Zelensky was inappropriate would depend on what they talked about.
“What has been alleged by some news sources is that the president asked for an investigation into Mr. Biden. That would be in my view very inappropriate and a very serious allegation itself, so let’s find out what exactly what was said,” Romney added on Monday.
Romney was one of the first Senate Republicans to raise concerns about the whistleblower complaint. He said in a tweet over the weekend that it would be “troubling in the extreme” if Trump pressured a foreign leader to investigate a political opponent.
“If the President asked or pressured Ukraine’s president to investigate his political rival, either directly or through his personal attorney, it would be troubling in the extreme. Critical for the facts to come out,” he tweeted.
I still have a lowkey suspicion that Rudi Guiliani is deliberately fucking things up for Trump out of spite. He goes on CNN and denies and then admits he told the Ukraine government to investigate Joe Biden’s family. Then he goes on Fox and says that it Congress calls him to testify, he’ll refuse to answer on the basis of executive privilege … which is tantamount to saying the President was involved.
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-ukraine-09-24-2019/index.html
House launches formal impeachment inquiry into Trump
Moving to the country
Gunna hope he gets impeachments
Dropbear said:
Moving to the country
Gunna hope he gets impeachments
Band name adds meta humour
dv said:
Dropbear said:
Moving to the country
Gunna hope he gets impeachmentsBand name adds meta humour
Ogres also have layers
Greta Thunberg speaks so beautifully.
Unlike orange shitheap.
Apparently James Franco is going back in time to not prevent the assassination attempts on Trump
kii said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
kii said:
If that is fake it’s not very helpful. Trump tweets enough stupidity already and doctored tweets only serve to show some news is indeed fake.
I don’t care, okay?
You try sitting here in this mess and not laughing at all the stoopid.
Witty Rejoinder said:
kii said:
If that is fake it’s not very helpful. Trump tweets enough stupidity already and doctored tweets only serve to show some news is indeed fake.
Sorry. I see that is an old tweet about Obama.
kii said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
kii said:
If that is fake it’s not very helpful. Trump tweets enough stupidity already and doctored tweets only serve to show some news is indeed fake.
It’s not fake. He tweeted it in 2014.
You could print a book of tweets from Trump from 2010 to 2016 about “The President” that sound prescient now.
Well, it looks like Giuliani has got his way. Neatly dumped Trump in a pile of shit on CNN, and then let others take it from there.
party_pants said:
Well, it looks like Giuliani has got his way. Neatly dumped Trump in a pile of shit on CNN, and then let others take it from there.
His cousin’s going to get some major celebratory pole tonight
His speech to the UN last night basically shitting all over globalism in the name of increased nationalism is incredibly dangerous.
There’s been plenty of negatives associated with globalism, but by and large it’s been a huge positive force for humanity. To abandon that in the name of popularist nationalism is incredibly dangerous.
Dropbear said:
His speech to the UN last night basically shitting all over globalism in the name of increased nationalism is incredibly dangerous.There’s been plenty of negatives associated with globalism, but by and large it’s been a huge positive force for humanity. To abandon that in the name of popularist nationalism is incredibly dangerous.
We need globalism to unite humanity to fix things and make the world a fairer place for everyone, we are all humans regardless of all other considerations and think and feel the same for the most part
kii said:
Greta Thunberg speaks so beautifully.Unlike orange shitheap.
And she has English as a second language.
Looking through some old Photobucket stuff. Nice pic from when I first strung up the psaltery. Golden sheen of the King William pine compares well with the Swiss spruce on the lute.

Bubblecar said:
Looking through some old Photobucket stuff. Nice pic from when I first strung up the psaltery. Golden sheen of the King William pine compares well with the Swiss spruce on the lute.
But it would all be lost on Drumpf, as this is the wrong thread.
Bubblecar said:
Looking through some old Photobucket stuff. Nice pic from when I first strung up the psaltery. Golden sheen of the King William pine compares well with the Swiss spruce on the lute.
I love you, man. How many people are going to be talking about spruce and lutes and psaltery?
Also, wrong thread.
Dropbear said:
His speech to the UN last night basically shitting all over globalism in the name of increased nationalism is incredibly dangerous.There’s been plenty of negatives associated with globalism, but by and large it’s been a huge positive force for humanity. To abandon that in the name of popularist nationalism is incredibly dangerous.
there was always going to be some counter adjustment to globalization, the overshoot, unrestrained enthusiasm
the flag waving is more parochial, not a new fascism, hardly expansionist
not a new fascism,
not so sure… but you can hope.
Officials at the Office of Management and Budget relayed Trump’s order to the State Department and the Pentagon during an interagency meeting in mid-July, according to officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. They explained that the president had “concerns” and wanted to analyze whether the money needed to be spent.Administration officials were instructed to tell lawmakers that the delays were part of an “interagency process” but to give them no additional information — a pattern that continued for nearly two months, until the White House released the funds on the night of Sept. 11.
Interesting.
I was wondering who the whistleblower is.
Before the Ukraine issue arose, DJT’s polls had improved somewhat. The last polling average was 43.1%.
It will be interesting to see whether this has any effect.
Probably won’t.
Before the Ukraine issue arose, DJT’s polls had improved somewhat. The last polling average was 43.1%.
It will be interesting to see whether this has any effect.
Probably won’t.
dv said:
Before the Ukraine issue arose, DJT’s polls had improved somewhat. The last polling average was 43.1%.It will be interesting to see whether this has any effect.
Probably won’t.
It might tomorrow if unredacted transcripts don’t substantiate the allegation. Despite Ellen Fannings effort on tonight’s Drum.
The White House released a transcript of Trump’s phone call with the Ukraine’s leader. It shows Trump repeatedly pushed Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden.
dv said:
The White House released a transcript of Trump’s phone call with the Ukraine’s leader. It shows Trump repeatedly pushed Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden.
*throws arms up in the air.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The White House released a transcript of Trump’s phone call with the Ukraine’s leader. It shows Trump repeatedly pushed Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden.*throws arms up in the air.
I’m there with you
Morning Joe. President Donald Trump Shifts Explanation For Withholding Ukraine Aid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjOgW_8rKJA
Elizabeth Warren out in front? There you go.
sarahs mum said:
Morning Joe. President Donald Trump Shifts Explanation For Withholding Ukraine Aid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjOgW_8rKJAElizabeth Warren out in front? There you go.
In comments…
‘This is the one time America should throw the baby out with the bathwater. 😞’
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Morning Joe. President Donald Trump Shifts Explanation For Withholding Ukraine Aid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjOgW_8rKJAElizabeth Warren out in front? There you go.
In comments…
‘This is the one time America should throw the baby out with the bathwater. 😞’
I can’t laugh anymore.
One thing to note:
The rough transcript provided is not verbatim, and there do appear to be discrepancies between the rough transcript and the whistleblower complaint.
As the transcript itself says:
“CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty Officers and NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation. The word “inaudible” is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear.”
It would be interesting to hear the audio. White House calls aren’t all recorded now, officially. Maybe the NSA has a copy…
Others have noted that the metadata on the report indicates this was a 30 minute phone call. The average speaking rate in English is around 140 words per minute. President Trump normally repeats himself several times. The rough transcript has 1900 words rather than the approx 4000 we’d expect at a normal speaking rate.
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In other news,
Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire threatened to resign if the White House tried to restrict his testimony before Congress.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/acting-national-intelligence-director-threaten-resign/index.html
Republican Senator and member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Ben Sasse, has said there are “real troubling things here” in regard to the whistleblower’s report, seen by the SIC on Wednesday. “ Republicans ought not just circle the wagons”, he added.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-senators/republican-senator-sasse-calls-details-in-whistleblower-complaint-troubling-idUSKBN1WB040

and yet the Tassie Liberals say Tarkine was a word made up by Bob Brown and they want to make it a law that places have to be called by the name the minister says it should be called.
sarahs mum said:
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and yet the Tassie Liberals say Tarkine was a word made up by Bob Brown and they want to make it a law that places have to be called by the name the minister says it should be called.
sorry.
dv said:
Republican Senator and member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Ben Sasse, has said there are “real troubling things here” in regard to the whistleblower’s report, seen by the SIC on Wednesday. “ Republicans ought not just circle the wagons”, he added.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-senators/republican-senator-sasse-calls-details-in-whistleblower-complaint-troubling-idUSKBN1WB040
Officials were worried Trump was ‘using the power of his office’ to solicit election interference, complaint says
The House releases the redacted whistleblower complaint at the center of the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.
It not only outlines the president’s July 25 call with Ukraine’s president, but also alleges efforts to suppress records of the conversation.
The House Intelligence Committee on Thursday released a redacted version of the whistleblower complaint that has embroiled President Donald Trump in an impeachment inquiry.
The nine-page document details concerns that the president is “using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.” It not only details Trump’s July 25 call with Ukraine’s president during which he asked his counterpart to investigate the Biden family, but also alleges administration efforts to suppress records related to their conversation.
The complaint, based on the accounts of more than half a dozen U.S. officials, implicates more than Trump. It calls his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani a “central figure” in the effort. It also says Attorney General William Barr “appears to be involved as well.”
Trump’s actions outlined in the complaint have led House Democrats to accuse him of abusing the powers of his office buy trying to get a foreign state to investigate one of his chief political rivals. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced Tuesday that the chamber would start impeachment proceedings, alleging a “betrayal of his oath of office, betrayal of our national security and betrayal of integrity of our elections.”
Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire will testify about the complaint before the House Intelligence Committee at 9 a.m. ET on Thursday. Members of congressional intelligence panels had a chance to review the document Wednesday.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/house-intelligence-committee-releases-whistleblower-complaint-about-trump.html
dv said:
dv said:
Republican Senator and member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Ben Sasse, has said there are “real troubling things here” in regard to the whistleblower’s report, seen by the SIC on Wednesday. “ Republicans ought not just circle the wagons”, he added.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-senators/republican-senator-sasse-calls-details-in-whistleblower-complaint-troubling-idUSKBN1WB040
Officials were worried Trump was ‘using the power of his office’ to solicit election interference, complaint says
The House releases the redacted whistleblower complaint at the center of the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.
It not only outlines the president’s July 25 call with Ukraine’s president, but also alleges efforts to suppress records of the conversation.The House Intelligence Committee on Thursday released a redacted version of the whistleblower complaint that has embroiled President Donald Trump in an impeachment inquiry.
The nine-page document details concerns that the president is “using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.” It not only details Trump’s July 25 call with Ukraine’s president during which he asked his counterpart to investigate the Biden family, but also alleges administration efforts to suppress records related to their conversation.
The complaint, based on the accounts of more than half a dozen U.S. officials, implicates more than Trump. It calls his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani a “central figure” in the effort. It also says Attorney General William Barr “appears to be involved as well.”
Trump’s actions outlined in the complaint have led House Democrats to accuse him of abusing the powers of his office buy trying to get a foreign state to investigate one of his chief political rivals. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced Tuesday that the chamber would start impeachment proceedings, alleging a “betrayal of his oath of office, betrayal of our national security and betrayal of integrity of our elections.”
Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire will testify about the complaint before the House Intelligence Committee at 9 a.m. ET on Thursday. Members of congressional intelligence panels had a chance to review the document Wednesday.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/house-intelligence-committee-releases-whistleblower-complaint-about-trump.html
Ring of fire boys claim Trump tried to talk Pelosi out of the impeachment inquiry by trying to do a deal on gun reform. I haven’t seen that story anywhere else.
dv said:
dv said:
Republican Senator and member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Ben Sasse, has said there are “real troubling things here” in regard to the whistleblower’s report, seen by the SIC on Wednesday. “ Republicans ought not just circle the wagons”, he added.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-senators/republican-senator-sasse-calls-details-in-whistleblower-complaint-troubling-idUSKBN1WB040
Officials were worried Trump was ‘using the power of his office’ to solicit election interference, complaint says
The House releases the redacted whistleblower complaint at the center of the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.
It not only outlines the president’s July 25 call with Ukraine’s president, but also alleges efforts to suppress records of the conversation.The House Intelligence Committee on Thursday released a redacted version of the whistleblower complaint that has embroiled President Donald Trump in an impeachment inquiry.
The nine-page document details concerns that the president is “using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.” It not only details Trump’s July 25 call with Ukraine’s president during which he asked his counterpart to investigate the Biden family, but also alleges administration efforts to suppress records related to their conversation.
The complaint, based on the accounts of more than half a dozen U.S. officials, implicates more than Trump. It calls his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani a “central figure” in the effort. It also says Attorney General William Barr “appears to be involved as well.”
Trump’s actions outlined in the complaint have led House Democrats to accuse him of abusing the powers of his office buy trying to get a foreign state to investigate one of his chief political rivals. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced Tuesday that the chamber would start impeachment proceedings, alleging a “betrayal of his oath of office, betrayal of our national security and betrayal of integrity of our elections.”
Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire will testify about the complaint before the House Intelligence Committee at 9 a.m. ET on Thursday. Members of congressional intelligence panels had a chance to review the document Wednesday.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/house-intelligence-committee-releases-whistleblower-complaint-about-trump.html
Trumpet has previous experience, so he should have known better this time around.
criminal spin
Public support for an impeachment inquiry has risen, since the Ukraine matter arose.
A new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll conducted on Wednesday (before the release of the actual whistleblower report or the Congressional testimony): 49% support inquiry – 46% oppose.
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Also:
Audio was released of Trump expressing a wish to know the identity of the whistleblower’s sources and alluding to retaliation against those officials. Trump said: “I want to know who’s the person, who’s the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy. You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.” He was addressing UN staffers.
dv said:
Public support for an impeachment inquiry has risen, since the Ukraine matter arose.A new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll conducted on Wednesday (before the release of the actual whistleblower report or the Congressional testimony): 49% support inquiry – 46% oppose.
—-
Also:
Audio was released of Trump expressing a wish to know the identity of the whistleblower’s sources and alluding to retaliation against those officials. Trump said: “I want to know who’s the person, who’s the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy. You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.” He was addressing UN staffers.
LOL.
“of abusing the powers of his office buy trying to get a foreign state to investigate one of his chief political rivals”
“buy trying”?
Typo or clever play on words?
From another forum:
“To be clear on a couple points, A) I absolutely think someone should investigate Biden’s apparent extortion, but that someone should not be Trump’s DOJ. And B) This one sketchy phone call is in no way equal to the 2016 scandal in which FISA warrants were granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”
What is Biden’s “apparent extortion”?
What were the “FISA warrants granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”?
The post quoted started off pretty reasonable, and end up saying he would vote for Trump anyway, because the Democrats were all headed towards Communism, which seems pretty typical of much of the debate.
But I thought I’d check if there was anything to the allegations of allegations anyway.
The Rev Dodgson said:
From another forum:“To be clear on a couple points, A) I absolutely think someone should investigate Biden’s apparent extortion, but that someone should not be Trump’s DOJ. And B) This one sketchy phone call is in no way equal to the 2016 scandal in which FISA warrants were granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”
What is Biden’s “apparent extortion”?
What were the “FISA warrants granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”?
The post quoted started off pretty reasonable, and end up saying he would vote for Trump anyway, because the Democrats were all headed towards Communism, which seems pretty typical of much of the debate.
But I thought I’d check if there was anything to the allegations of allegations anyway.
No evidence of any kind has been presented by Trump or anyone else to support their allegations that Hunter Biden did anything wrong in relation to Burisma or other Ukrainian companies.
FISA warrants were issued by courts because of pretty fucking clear evidence of cooperation between Trump’s campaign and Russia.
Whose post was this, Devin Nunes?
BTW I think Giuliani just done slide off his cracker
Rudy Giuliani: ‘It’s Impossible The Whistleblower Is A Hero And I’m Not
“It is impossible that the whistle-blower is a hero and I’m not. And I will be the hero! These morons—when this is over, I will be the hero.”“I’m not acting as a lawyer. I’m acting as someone who has devoted most of his life to straightening out government,” he continued, sounding out of breath. “Anything I did should be praised.”
The Rev Dodgson said:
From another forum:“To be clear on a couple points, A) I absolutely think someone should investigate Biden’s apparent extortion, but that someone should not be Trump’s DOJ. And B) This one sketchy phone call is in no way equal to the 2016 scandal in which FISA warrants were granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”
What is Biden’s “apparent extortion”?
What were the “FISA warrants granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”?
The post quoted started off pretty reasonable, and end up saying he would vote for Trump anyway, because the Democrats were all headed towards Communism, which seems pretty typical of much of the debate.
But I thought I’d check if there was anything to the allegations of allegations anyway.
The FISA warrants were to investigate the Trump campaign before the election based on the Steele dossier I think.
dv said:
BTW I think Giuliani just done slide off his crackerRudy Giuliani: ‘It’s Impossible The Whistleblower Is A Hero And I’m Not
“It is impossible that the whistle-blower is a hero and I’m not. And I will be the hero! These morons—when this is over, I will be the hero.”“I’m not acting as a lawyer. I’m acting as someone who has devoted most of his life to straightening out government,” he continued, sounding out of breath. “Anything I did should be praised.”
The heroics after 9/11 not enough for him?
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
From another forum:“To be clear on a couple points, A) I absolutely think someone should investigate Biden’s apparent extortion, but that someone should not be Trump’s DOJ. And B) This one sketchy phone call is in no way equal to the 2016 scandal in which FISA warrants were granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”
What is Biden’s “apparent extortion”?
What were the “FISA warrants granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”?
The post quoted started off pretty reasonable, and end up saying he would vote for Trump anyway, because the Democrats were all headed towards Communism, which seems pretty typical of much of the debate.
But I thought I’d check if there was anything to the allegations of allegations anyway.
The FISA warrants were to investigate the Trump campaign before the election based on the Steele dossier I think.
They were initially based on intel regarding George Papadapolous (Trump’s foreign policy aide) and his connections with Russia, in part provided by former Liberal leader Sexy Lexy Downer.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
From another forum:“To be clear on a couple points, A) I absolutely think someone should investigate Biden’s apparent extortion, but that someone should not be Trump’s DOJ. And B) This one sketchy phone call is in no way equal to the 2016 scandal in which FISA warrants were granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”
What is Biden’s “apparent extortion”?
What were the “FISA warrants granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”?
The post quoted started off pretty reasonable, and end up saying he would vote for Trump anyway, because the Democrats were all headed towards Communism, which seems pretty typical of much of the debate.
But I thought I’d check if there was anything to the allegations of allegations anyway.
The FISA warrants were to investigate the Trump campaign before the election based on the Steele dossier I think.
They were initially based on intel regarding George Papadapolous (Trump’s foreign policy aide) and his connections with Russia, in part provided by former Liberal leader Sexy Lexy Downer.
Bloody Liberals.
They are heading towards communism, the lot of them.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
From another forum:“To be clear on a couple points, A) I absolutely think someone should investigate Biden’s apparent extortion, but that someone should not be Trump’s DOJ. And B) This one sketchy phone call is in no way equal to the 2016 scandal in which FISA warrants were granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”
What is Biden’s “apparent extortion”?
What were the “FISA warrants granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”?
The post quoted started off pretty reasonable, and end up saying he would vote for Trump anyway, because the Democrats were all headed towards Communism, which seems pretty typical of much of the debate.
But I thought I’d check if there was anything to the allegations of allegations anyway.
The FISA warrants were to investigate the Trump campaign before the election based on the Steele dossier I think.
They were initially based on intel regarding George Papadapolous (Trump’s foreign policy aide) and his connections with Russia, in part provided by former Liberal leader Sexy Lexy Downer.
That’s right.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
From another forum:“To be clear on a couple points, A) I absolutely think someone should investigate Biden’s apparent extortion, but that someone should not be Trump’s DOJ. And B) This one sketchy phone call is in no way equal to the 2016 scandal in which FISA warrants were granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”
What is Biden’s “apparent extortion”?
What were the “FISA warrants granted against members of Trump’s campaign on false pretenses.”?
The post quoted started off pretty reasonable, and end up saying he would vote for Trump anyway, because the Democrats were all headed towards Communism, which seems pretty typical of much of the debate.
But I thought I’d check if there was anything to the allegations of allegations anyway.
No evidence of any kind has been presented by Trump or anyone else to support their allegations that Hunter Biden did anything wrong in relation to Burisma or other Ukrainian companies.
FISA warrants were issued by courts because of pretty fucking clear evidence of cooperation between Trump’s campaign and Russia.
Whose post was this, Devin Nunes?
Thanks for that.
It’s just from a general chat section of an engineering forum. A couple of participants are reasonable; most of the others make the one quoted above sound like a bleeding liberal/communist.
I mean he’s right, though. Using foreign aid as leverage against your domestic political opponents is not equal to issuing FISA warrants.
dv said:
I mean he’s right, though. Using foreign aid as leverage against your domestic political opponents is not equal to issuing FISA warrants.
At last.
Something we can all agree on.
dv said:
I mean he’s right, though. Using foreign aid as leverage against your domestic political opponents is not equal to issuing FISA warrants.
At last.
Something we can all agree on.
What’s wrong with this cat?
Oops
Maps Show Where Melting Glaciers Will Reveal Cold-War-Era Nuclear Waste
Melting glaciers have revealed a number of surprises over the past few years, from Viking artifacts in Norway to World War I burials in the Italian Alps. And one day, if global warming continues its current course, Greenland’s retreating ice sheet could expose a more troubling relic of the past: a Cold War military base and whatever biological, chemical and radioactive waste is left inside, scientists say.
NASA’s Earth Observatory posted maps today (Jan. 31) that show the changes expected to take place near the site of Camp Century, a once-secret U.S. military base built in 1959 primarily to test the possibility of launching nuclear missiles from the Arctic to the Soviet Union.
The site was abandoned in 1967 and is now buried about 100 feet (30 meters) beneath a crust of snow and ice. But the maps, analyzed as part of a study published in August 2016 in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, show that because of ice loss, Camp Century could become an environmental hazard by the end of this century.
https://www.livescience.com/57694-melting-greenland-ice-revealing-nuclear-waste.html
dv said:
Maps Show Where Melting Glaciers Will Reveal Cold-War-Era Nuclear WasteMelting glaciers have revealed a number of surprises over the past few years, from Viking artifacts in Norway to World War I burials in the Italian Alps. And one day, if global warming continues its current course, Greenland’s retreating ice sheet could expose a more troubling relic of the past: a Cold War military base and whatever biological, chemical and radioactive waste is left inside, scientists say.
NASA’s Earth Observatory posted maps today (Jan. 31) that show the changes expected to take place near the site of Camp Century, a once-secret U.S. military base built in 1959 primarily to test the possibility of launching nuclear missiles from the Arctic to the Soviet Union.
The site was abandoned in 1967 and is now buried about 100 feet (30 meters) beneath a crust of snow and ice. But the maps, analyzed as part of a study published in August 2016 in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, show that because of ice loss, Camp Century could become an environmental hazard by the end of this century.
https://www.livescience.com/57694-melting-greenland-ice-revealing-nuclear-waste.html
I watched a doco on youtube about Camp Century only a few days ago. Propaganda, as it didn’t mention it was to be a missile base.
dv said:
Public support for an impeachment inquiry has risen, since the Ukraine matter arose.A new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll conducted on Wednesday (before the release of the actual whistleblower report or the Congressional testimony): 49% support inquiry – 46% oppose.
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Also:
Audio was released of Trump expressing a wish to know the identity of the whistleblower’s sources and alluding to retaliation against those officials. Trump said: “I want to know who’s the person, who’s the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy. You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.” He was addressing UN staffers.
When the question was phrased around starting an impeachment inquiry, it got a bit more support. SurveyMonkey asked, “Do you believe launching a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump for soliciting foreign interference in a US election is the right thing to do?” And a majority (53 percent) said either “definitely yes” (33 percent) or “probably yes” (20 percent).
kii said:
What’s wrong with this cat?
I imagine it’s a Republican cat.
Twisting itself in loops in an effort to accept everything Trump says as the unvarnished truth.
kii said:
What’s wrong with this cat?
Good to see she lost that funnel thingy.
Bubblecar said:
kii said:
What’s wrong with this cat?
Good to see she lost that funnel thingy.
She’s also lost her arse (or the dense fluff that covered it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
What’s wrong with this cat?
I imagine it’s a Republican cat.
Twisting itself in loops in an effort to accept everything Trump says as the unvarnished truth.
Nope. She’s a witch.
Diplomats express alarm over Trump’s treatment of former Ukraine ambassador
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/26/politics/ukraine-ambassador-yovanovitch-whistleblower-complaint/index.html
Diplomats are rallying to the support of former US ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch after the release of a whistleblower complaint shed further light on the circumstances of her unexpected removal.
The allegations raised in the complaint, in combination with President Donald Trump’s comments about the career diplomat revealed in the White House transcript of a call between Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, lend further credence to the claim that Yovanovitch’s removal from her post last May was politically motivated.
kii said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
What’s wrong with this cat?
I imagine it’s a Republican cat.
Twisting itself in loops in an effort to accept everything Trump says as the unvarnished truth.
Nope. She’s a witch.
That’s a relief.
dv said:
The allegations raised in the complaint, in combination with President Donald Trump’s comments about the career diplomat revealed in the White House transcript of a call between Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, lend further credence to the claim that Yovanovitch’s removal from her post last May was politically motivated.
I’m Shocked!!!
Narrator: In fact he was not shocked at all.
Dropbear said:
dv said:
The allegations raised in the complaint, in combination with President Donald Trump’s comments about the career diplomat revealed in the White House transcript of a call between Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, lend further credence to the claim that Yovanovitch’s removal from her post last May was politically motivated.
I’m Shocked!!!
Narrator: In fact he was not shocked at all.
James Hird: “I’m shocked to be sitting here”
dv said:
Maps Show Where Melting Glaciers Will Reveal Cold-War-Era Nuclear WasteMelting glaciers have revealed a number of surprises over the past few years, from Viking artifacts in Norway to World War I burials in the Italian Alps. And one day, if global warming continues its current course, Greenland’s retreating ice sheet could expose a more troubling relic of the past: a Cold War military base and whatever biological, chemical and radioactive waste is left inside, scientists say.
NASA’s Earth Observatory posted maps today (Jan. 31) that show the changes expected to take place near the site of Camp Century, a once-secret U.S. military base built in 1959 primarily to test the possibility of launching nuclear missiles from the Arctic to the Soviet Union.
The site was abandoned in 1967 and is now buried about 100 feet (30 meters) beneath a crust of snow and ice. But the maps, analyzed as part of a study published in August 2016 in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, show that because of ice loss, Camp Century could become an environmental hazard by the end of this century.
https://www.livescience.com/57694-melting-greenland-ice-revealing-nuclear-waste.html
So was this base built under the snow, or is the 30m the accumulation since 1967?
buffy said:
dv said:
Maps Show Where Melting Glaciers Will Reveal Cold-War-Era Nuclear WasteMelting glaciers have revealed a number of surprises over the past few years, from Viking artifacts in Norway to World War I burials in the Italian Alps. And one day, if global warming continues its current course, Greenland’s retreating ice sheet could expose a more troubling relic of the past: a Cold War military base and whatever biological, chemical and radioactive waste is left inside, scientists say.
NASA’s Earth Observatory posted maps today (Jan. 31) that show the changes expected to take place near the site of Camp Century, a once-secret U.S. military base built in 1959 primarily to test the possibility of launching nuclear missiles from the Arctic to the Soviet Union.
The site was abandoned in 1967 and is now buried about 100 feet (30 meters) beneath a crust of snow and ice. But the maps, analyzed as part of a study published in August 2016 in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, show that because of ice loss, Camp Century could become an environmental hazard by the end of this century.
https://www.livescience.com/57694-melting-greenland-ice-revealing-nuclear-waste.html
So was this base built under the snow, or is the 30m the accumulation since 1967?
under the snow. they dug trenches, roofed with curved corri and backfilled with snow. it was a huge complex.
JudgeMental said:
buffy said:
dv said:
Maps Show Where Melting Glaciers Will Reveal Cold-War-Era Nuclear WasteMelting glaciers have revealed a number of surprises over the past few years, from Viking artifacts in Norway to World War I burials in the Italian Alps. And one day, if global warming continues its current course, Greenland’s retreating ice sheet could expose a more troubling relic of the past: a Cold War military base and whatever biological, chemical and radioactive waste is left inside, scientists say.
NASA’s Earth Observatory posted maps today (Jan. 31) that show the changes expected to take place near the site of Camp Century, a once-secret U.S. military base built in 1959 primarily to test the possibility of launching nuclear missiles from the Arctic to the Soviet Union.
The site was abandoned in 1967 and is now buried about 100 feet (30 meters) beneath a crust of snow and ice. But the maps, analyzed as part of a study published in August 2016 in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, show that because of ice loss, Camp Century could become an environmental hazard by the end of this century.
https://www.livescience.com/57694-melting-greenland-ice-revealing-nuclear-waste.html
So was this base built under the snow, or is the 30m the accumulation since 1967?
under the snow. they dug trenches, roofed with curved corri and backfilled with snow. it was a huge complex.
30m is rather deep.
buffy said:
JudgeMental said:
buffy said:So was this base built under the snow, or is the 30m the accumulation since 1967?
under the snow. they dug trenches, roofed with curved corri and backfilled with snow. it was a huge complex.
30m is rather deep.
Presumably to make it well protected in the landscape in case the Russians decided to bomb it.
buffy said:
JudgeMental said:
buffy said:So was this base built under the snow, or is the 30m the accumulation since 1967?
under the snow. they dug trenches, roofed with curved corri and backfilled with snow. it was a huge complex.
30m is rather deep.
they didn’t dig them that deep, that is the result of snowfall over the years.
JudgeMental said:
buffy said:
JudgeMental said:under the snow. they dug trenches, roofed with curved corri and backfilled with snow. it was a huge complex.
30m is rather deep.
they didn’t dig them that deep, that is the result of snowfall over the years.
Looks like they put them about 12m deep and there is expected to be accumulation until 2090 when it snowfall will be less than depletion.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/08/mysterious-ice-buried-cold-war-military-base-may-be-unearthed-climate-change
It caught my attention because 30m is very deep.
So Pence pardoning Trump doesn’t look like it is on.
sarahs mum said:
So Pence pardoning Trump doesn’t look like it is on.
Why do you say that?
sarahs mum said:
So Pence pardoning Trump doesn’t look like it is on.
sooooo it’s pence wise?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
So Pence pardoning Trump doesn’t look like it is on.Why do you say that?
That idea that Pence could take over if Trump was removed and then pardon Trump. Trump seems to be doing what he can this to make life a bit hellish for Pence atm.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
So Pence pardoning Trump doesn’t look like it is on.Why do you say that?
That idea that Pence could take over if Trump was removed and then pardon Trump. Trump seems to be doing what he can this to make life a bit hellish for Pence atm.
I doubt Trump is giving Pence a moments thought.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
So Pence pardoning Trump doesn’t look like it is on.Why do you say that?
That idea that Pence could take over if Trump was removed and then pardon Trump. Trump seems to be doing what he can this to make life a bit hellish for Pence atm.
Trump has a huge, moronic, personal base. If Trump resigns and Pence doesn’t pardon him, one can imagine the backlash will be great.
Mike Pence biographer confirms Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner want to dump the VP: “That’s all real”
Nikki Haley denied she was being considered as a replacement, but Tom LoBianco insists those claims were accurate
https://www.salon.com/2019/09/23/mike-pence-biographer-confirms-ivanka-trump-and-jared-kushner-want-to-dump-the-vp-thats-all-real_partner/
He’ll pardon him, then have him assassinated. Probably blame it on Mexico…
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
So Pence pardoning Trump doesn’t look like it is on.Why do you say that?
In the United States, the pardon power for offenses against the United States is granted to the President of the United States under Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution which states that the President “shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon
esselte said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
So Pence pardoning Trump doesn’t look like it is on.Why do you say that?
In the United States, the pardon power for offenses against the United States is granted to the President of the United States under Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution which states that the President “shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon
It seems very likely that Trump would, like Nixon, resign before being impeached (partly for this reason).
esselte said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
So Pence pardoning Trump doesn’t look like it is on.Why do you say that?
In the United States, the pardon power for offenses against the United States is granted to the President of the United States under Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution which states that the President “shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon
Ta.
dv said:
esselte said:
dv said:Why do you say that?
In the United States, the pardon power for offenses against the United States is granted to the President of the United States under Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution which states that the President “shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon
It seems very likely that Trump would, like Nixon, resign before being impeached (partly for this reason).
Well as I understand it impeachment is not a criminal process, it’s a political one. And the only punishment that can be meted out is that Trump would be barred from serving as a US government official for the rest of his life. If he resigns and is criminally indicted then he could potentially go to jail.
Is this wrong?… I don’t know anything about Nixon. Was he indicted for anything after he resigned?
dv said:
esselte said:
dv said:Why do you say that?
In the United States, the pardon power for offenses against the United States is granted to the President of the United States under Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution which states that the President “shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon
It seems very likely that Trump would, like Nixon, resign before being impeached (partly for this reason).
But, but that would be the rational thing to do
but it isn’t likely there are the numbers for impeachment, right?
So, he’ll just ring the queen and ask if he can prorogue congress…
esselte said:
dv said:
esselte said:In the United States, the pardon power for offenses against the United States is granted to the President of the United States under Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution which states that the President “shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon
It seems very likely that Trump would, like Nixon, resign before being impeached (partly for this reason).
Well as I understand it impeachment is not a criminal process, it’s a political one. And the only punishment that can be meted out is that Trump would be barred from serving as a US government official for the rest of his life. If he resigns and is criminally indicted then he could potentially go to jail.
Is this wrong?… I don’t know anything about Nixon. Was he indicted for anything after he resigned?
He was pardoned by Ford. Which from my reading wasn’t a quid pro quo, Ford agonised over it, deciding that the nation should move on and give his own administration clean air.
esselte said:
Was he indicted for anything after he resigned?
No. He was given a blanket pardon by Ford
sarahs mum said:
but it isn’t likely there are the numbers for impeachment, right?
We’ll see, I suppose. The impeachment inquiry has just begun.
AwesomeO said:
esselte said:
dv said:It seems very likely that Trump would, like Nixon, resign before being impeached (partly for this reason).
Well as I understand it impeachment is not a criminal process, it’s a political one. And the only punishment that can be meted out is that Trump would be barred from serving as a US government official for the rest of his life. If he resigns and is criminally indicted then he could potentially go to jail.
Is this wrong?… I don’t know anything about Nixon. Was he indicted for anything after he resigned?
He was pardoned by Ford. Which from my reading wasn’t a quid pro quo, Ford agonised over it, deciding that the nation should move on and give his own administration clean air.
OK, but do we know why Nixon chose resigning over impeachment in the first place? Did Ford agonise over it before Nixons resignation, came to the decision then told President Nixon “if you resign I will pardon you”?
What I’m getting at that, in Trumps case if he is not 100% sure he would be pardoned then he is unlikely to resign as the possible consequences of being convicted on impeachment would be better for him personally than the possible consequences of being convicted on indictment (ie barred from government office vs probably going to jail).
The same logic would apply to Nixon, so if Nixon resigned before he had assurance of pardon then there must be something else at play here that I’m missing.
esselte said:
AwesomeO said:
esselte said:Well as I understand it impeachment is not a criminal process, it’s a political one. And the only punishment that can be meted out is that Trump would be barred from serving as a US government official for the rest of his life. If he resigns and is criminally indicted then he could potentially go to jail.
Is this wrong?… I don’t know anything about Nixon. Was he indicted for anything after he resigned?
He was pardoned by Ford. Which from my reading wasn’t a quid pro quo, Ford agonised over it, deciding that the nation should move on and give his own administration clean air.
OK, but do we know why Nixon chose resigning over impeachment in the first place? Did Ford agonise over it before Nixons resignation, came to the decision then told President Nixon “if you resign I will pardon you”?
What I’m getting at that, in Trumps case if he is not 100% sure he would be pardoned then he is unlikely to resign as the possible consequences of being convicted on impeachment would be better for him personally than the possible consequences of being convicted on indictment (ie barred from government office vs probably going to jail).
The same logic would apply to Nixon, so if Nixon resigned before he had assurance of pardon then there must be something else at play here that I’m missing.
You are making it way too complicated. If a presidemt has committed a crime he is potentially up for both impeachment and criminal charges. Impeachment is just being sacked from the office. It is not a one or the other situation. Nixon knew he was going down so he resigned to avoid the embarrassment of a prolonged process. He still faced criminal charges and a lengthy and drawn out criminal process. Ford pardoned him because a lengthy and drawn out criminal process would have been an embarrassment and distraction for his political administration.
In accepting a presidential pardon, the recipient accepts that he or she is guilty.
Just to clarify some of the terminology:
If, at the end of the impeachment inquiry, the House votes to impeach the president, he is not immediately removed from office. The matter is then decided in the Senate. If a two thirds majority of the Senate convict the president of the offences laid out in the articles of impeachment, then he is gone.
This means that if he is impeached but not convicted, Pence still doesn’t have the ability to pardon him of the specific crimes for which he was impeached.
I believe no president has ever been successfully impeached but some have been impaired.
Peak Warming Man said:
I believe no president has ever been successfully impeached but some have been impaired.
Nice work.
The Presidents of the united states of America had millions of peaches…
Peak Warming Man said:
I believe no president has ever been successfully impeached but some have been impaired.
Stone fruit will keep you safe.
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I believe no president has ever been successfully impeached but some have been impaired.
Stone fruit will keep you safe.
it’s a plum job
dv said:
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I believe no president has ever been successfully impeached but some have been impaired.
Stone fruit will keep you safe.
it’s a plum job
furious said:
- I believe no president has ever been successfully impeached but some have been impaired.
The Presidents of the united states of America had millions of peaches…
groan
party_pants said:
If a presidemt has committed a crime he is potentially up for both impeachment and criminal charges.
Ahh.. that’s what I was missing. He can be impeached and indicted.
Impeachment is just being sacked from the office.
I don’t think so. Impeachment is the political equivalent of criminal indictment – that it is the laying of charges. After impeachment he will still need to go to trial in front of a jury (the senate, in this case), be found guilty and then he will be sacked.
It is not a one or the other situation. Nixon knew he was going down so he resigned to avoid the embarrassment of a prolonged process. He still faced criminal charges and a lengthy and drawn out criminal process. Ford pardoned him because a lengthy and drawn out criminal process would have been an embarrassment and distraction for his political administration.In accepting a presidential pardon, the recipient accepts that he or she is guilty.
Got it. Cheers.
esselte said:
party_pants said:If a presidemt has committed a crime he is potentially up for both impeachment and criminal charges.
Ahh.. that’s what I was missing. He can be impeached and indicted.
Impeachment is just being sacked from the office.I don’t think so. Impeachment is the political equivalent of criminal indictment – that it is the laying of charges. After impeachment he will still need to go to trial in front of a jury (the senate, in this case), be found guilty and then he will be sacked.
It is not a one or the other situation. Nixon knew he was going down so he resigned to avoid the embarrassment of a prolonged process. He still faced criminal charges and a lengthy and drawn out criminal process. Ford pardoned him because a lengthy and drawn out criminal process would have been an embarrassment and distraction for his political administration.In accepting a presidential pardon, the recipient accepts that he or she is guilty.
Got it. Cheers.
Impeachment is the _process by which they remove him. It follows a set procedure – the lower house investigate and prepare a report. The lower house vote on that report to see if they agree he did anything wrong and should be removed. If they vote for impeachment the report goes to the Senate. A member of the lower house presents the report and their reasons why to the Senate. The president is allowed to present his side of the case and have witnesses etc. The Senate eventually have a vote on whether he should be booted out or not, and they have to get a 2/3 majority to boot him out. It is not strictly speaking a trial as such, it is still a political process, but it follows a set format. Part of the format mimics a trial, a bit like a sporting tribunal is not a court of law, but will mimic a court in the interests of trying to be fair.
party_pants said:
Impeachment is the _process by which they remove him. It follows a set procedure – the lower house investigate and prepare a report. The lower house vote on that report to see if they agree he did anything wrong and should be removed. If they vote for impeachment the report goes to the Senate. A member of the lower house presents the report and their reasons why to the Senate. The president is allowed to present his side of the case and have witnesses etc. The Senate eventually have a vote on whether he should be booted out or not, and they have to get a 2/3 majority to boot him out. It is not strictly speaking a trial as such, it is still a political process, but it follows a set format. Part of the format mimics a trial, a bit like a sporting tribunal is not a court of law, but will mimic a court in the interests of trying to be fair.
Wikipedia disagrees:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment
“Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. Impeachment does not in itself remove the official from office; it is the equivalent to an indictment in criminal law, and thus is only the statement of charges against the official. Once an individual is impeached, they must then face the possibility of conviction on the charges by a legislative vote, which is separate from the impeachment, but flows from it, and a judgment which convicts the official on the articles of impeachment would entail the official’s removal from office.”
esselte said:
party_pants said:Impeachment is the _process by which they remove him. It follows a set procedure – the lower house investigate and prepare a report. The lower house vote on that report to see if they agree he did anything wrong and should be removed. If they vote for impeachment the report goes to the Senate. A member of the lower house presents the report and their reasons why to the Senate. The president is allowed to present his side of the case and have witnesses etc. The Senate eventually have a vote on whether he should be booted out or not, and they have to get a 2/3 majority to boot him out. It is not strictly speaking a trial as such, it is still a political process, but it follows a set format. Part of the format mimics a trial, a bit like a sporting tribunal is not a court of law, but will mimic a court in the interests of trying to be fair.
Wikipedia disagrees:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment
“Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. Impeachment does not in itself remove the official from office; it is the equivalent to an indictment in criminal law, and thus is only the statement of charges against the official. Once an individual is impeached, they must then face the possibility of conviction on the charges by a legislative vote, which is separate from the impeachment, but flows from it, and a judgment which convicts the official on the articles of impeachment would entail the official’s removal from office.”
The wiki article is misleading. It is not a literal equivalent, it is a metaphorical equivalent.
(grits teeth) I agree with esselte
party_pants said:
esselte said:
party_pants said:Impeachment is the _process by which they remove him. It follows a set procedure – the lower house investigate and prepare a report. The lower house vote on that report to see if they agree he did anything wrong and should be removed. If they vote for impeachment the report goes to the Senate. A member of the lower house presents the report and their reasons why to the Senate. The president is allowed to present his side of the case and have witnesses etc. The Senate eventually have a vote on whether he should be booted out or not, and they have to get a 2/3 majority to boot him out. It is not strictly speaking a trial as such, it is still a political process, but it follows a set format. Part of the format mimics a trial, a bit like a sporting tribunal is not a court of law, but will mimic a court in the interests of trying to be fair.
Wikipedia disagrees:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment
“Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. Impeachment does not in itself remove the official from office; it is the equivalent to an indictment in criminal law, and thus is only the statement of charges against the official. Once an individual is impeached, they must then face the possibility of conviction on the charges by a legislative vote, which is separate from the impeachment, but flows from it, and a judgment which convicts the official on the articles of impeachment would entail the official’s removal from office.”
The wiki article is misleading. It is not a literal equivalent, it is a metaphorical equivalent.
OK, the US Constitution disagrees:
“The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”
— U.S. Constitution, Article II, section 4
esselte said:
party_pants said:
esselte said:Wikipedia disagrees:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment
“Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. Impeachment does not in itself remove the official from office; it is the equivalent to an indictment in criminal law, and thus is only the statement of charges against the official. Once an individual is impeached, they must then face the possibility of conviction on the charges by a legislative vote, which is separate from the impeachment, but flows from it, and a judgment which convicts the official on the articles of impeachment would entail the official’s removal from office.”
The wiki article is misleading. It is not a literal equivalent, it is a metaphorical equivalent.
OK, the US Constitution disagrees:
“The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”
— U.S. Constitution, Article II, section 4
“Conviction on impeachment” is not the same as a criminal conviction. They are still separate things.
pp, a less than two minute video that I think you’d enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEATei2wewY
I think Trump will do the Nixon move at some point.
It’s just a jump to the left. And then a step to the right. With your hands on your hips. You bring your knees in tight. But it’s the pelvic thrust.
sibeen said:
pp, a less than two minute video that I think you’d enjoy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEATei2wewY
I now return you to the regular program.
sibeen said:
pp, a less than two minute video that I think you’d enjoy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEATei2wewY
int’resting :)
I think Trump has put a lot of Americans in some sort of Time Warp.
No amount of shaking them or hitting them on the head will wake them up.
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think Trump has put a lot of Americans in some sort of Time Warp.No amount of shaking them or hitting them on the head will wake them up.
well, at least they get to eat meatloaf for dinner
Arts said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think Trump has put a lot of Americans in some sort of Time Warp.No amount of shaking them or hitting them on the head will wake them up.
well, at least they get to eat meatloaf for dinner
There was something in it.
‘Stand fast’ is used in the Navy to mean ‘except for’. Dunno about its use in the period C.S.Forester was writing about.
‘Hearties’ might be used today, but most likely in a jocular/derisory/ironic manner.
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think Trump has put a lot of Americans in some sort of Time Warp.No amount of shaking them or hitting them on the head will wake them up.
I think it is a new era.
It always used to be the case that they made excuses, exaggerations or the opposite when it suited, but the art of the spin and “narrative” have been allowed to develop to a point where reality does not matter. It used to be a politician needed some actual good news first in order to embellish it. Now it does not matter, even bad news becomes good news simply by calling it good news.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think Trump has put a lot of Americans in some sort of Time Warp.No amount of shaking them or hitting them on the head will wake them up.
I think it is a new era.
It always used to be the case that they made excuses, exaggerations or the opposite when it suited, but the art of the spin and “narrative” have been allowed to develop to a point where reality does not matter. It used to be a politician needed some actual good news first in order to embellish it. Now it does not matter, even bad news becomes good news simply by calling it good news.
I don’t think its a new era.
Just a blip in the continual swing between extremes, combined with selective memories of the past.
captain_spalding said:
‘Stand fast’ is used in the Navy to mean ‘except for’. Dunno about its use in the period C.S.Forester was writing about.‘Hearties’ might be used today, but most likely in a jocular/derisory/ironic manner.
Wrong thread. Sorry.
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think Trump has put a lot of Americans in some sort of Time Warp.No amount of shaking them or hitting them on the head will wake them up.
Possibly it will lead to a jump to the left
captain_spalding said:
‘Stand fast’ is used in the Navy to mean ‘except for’. Dunno about its use in the period C.S.Forester was writing about.‘Hearties’ might be used today, but most likely in a jocular/derisory/ironic manner.
Can you give an example of stand fast being used like this?
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think Trump has put a lot of Americans in some sort of Time Warp.No amount of shaking them or hitting them on the head will wake them up.
I think it is a new era.
It always used to be the case that they made excuses, exaggerations or the opposite when it suited, but the art of the spin and “narrative” have been allowed to develop to a point where reality does not matter. It used to be a politician needed some actual good news first in order to embellish it. Now it does not matter, even bad news becomes good news simply by calling it good news.
I don’t think its a new era.
Just a blip in the continual swing between extremes, combined with selective memories of the past.
Maybe I am not old enough to have witnessed a complete swing yet.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:I think it is a new era.
It always used to be the case that they made excuses, exaggerations or the opposite when it suited, but the art of the spin and “narrative” have been allowed to develop to a point where reality does not matter. It used to be a politician needed some actual good news first in order to embellish it. Now it does not matter, even bad news becomes good news simply by calling it good news.
I don’t think its a new era.
Just a blip in the continual swing between extremes, combined with selective memories of the past.
Maybe I am not old enough to have witnessed a complete swing yet.
Peers over glasses
Nods sagely.
Too many Americans are assigning emotions to innate ideologies, especially negative ones and this clouds their observation, Religious politicians, Religious nutters, alt righties, gangs and Neo Nazis in particular, they combine to detract reality and end up harming other people.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think Trump has put a lot of Americans in some sort of Time Warp.No amount of shaking them or hitting them on the head will wake them up.
Possibly it will lead to a jump to the left
Hopefully.
So there have been a few more Republicans come out the woodwork to say that this is “troubling” etc, in addition to Senators Romney and Sasse.
Republican Congressman and member of the House Intelligence Committee, Mike Turner, has been a staunch Trump defender up til now but at the hearing he said, “Concerning that conversation, I want to say to the president, this is not okay. That conversation is not okay, and I think it’s disappointing to the American public when they read the transcript.”
Republican Governor of Vermont, Phil Scott, and Republican Governor of Massachusetts, Charlie Baker, have now said they support the impeachment inquiry taking place.
dv said:
So there have been a few more Republicans come out the woodwork to say that this is “troubling” etc, in addition to Senators Romney and Sasse.Republican Congressman and member of the House Intelligence Committee, Mike Turner, has been a staunch Trump defender up til now but at the hearing he said, “Concerning that conversation, I want to say to the president, this is not okay. That conversation is not okay, and I think it’s disappointing to the American public when they read the transcript.”
Republican Governor of Vermont, Phil Scott, and Republican Governor of Massachusetts, Charlie Baker, have now said they support the impeachment inquiry taking place.
So no Republican senators switching sides then.
BTW, I think this fucks Biden and so the Gran can write nasty articles about him all day long and I won’t care. I hope someone comes out of the Dems pack (go Tulsi) as I suspect Trump would now beat Biden and Warren.
And it looks like Tulsi is going to be on the stage for the next Dems debate, so her flame still flickers :)
sibeen said:
BTW, I think this fucks Biden and so the Gran can write nasty articles about him all day long and I won’t care. I hope someone comes out of the Dems pack (go Tulsi) as I suspect Trump would now beat Biden and Warren.
This was always going to hurt Biden, makes you wonder.
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
BTW, I think this fucks Biden and so the Gran can write nasty articles about him all day long and I won’t care. I hope someone comes out of the Dems pack (go Tulsi) as I suspect Trump would now beat Biden and Warren.
This was always going to hurt Biden, makes you wonder.
Lawyers who have no links to the power industry and don’t speak Ukrainian are regularly given very high paid consulting positions in large power industry companies in that country. Very regularly.
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
BTW, I think this fucks Biden and so the Gran can write nasty articles about him all day long and I won’t care. I hope someone comes out of the Dems pack (go Tulsi) as I suspect Trump would now beat Biden and Warren.
This was always going to hurt Biden, makes you wonder.
Lawyers who have no links to the power industry and don’t speak Ukrainian are regularly given very high paid consulting positions in large power industry companies in that country. Very regularly.
What’s come out from it all is that Hunter was dishonourably frog marched out of the Services for cocaine use.
It shouldn’t matter for his dad but in a Services centric America it will hurt his dad.
I always thought that Biden would have been a mistake…
furious said:
- This was always going to hurt Biden
I always thought that Biden would have been a mistake…
I thought he was the Dems best chance of rolling the Clown, anyway he’s not dead yet.
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
BTW, I think this fucks Biden and so the Gran can write nasty articles about him all day long and I won’t care. I hope someone comes out of the Dems pack (go Tulsi) as I suspect Trump would now beat Biden and Warren.
This was always going to hurt Biden, makes you wonder.
Lawyers who have no links to the power industry and don’t speak Ukrainian are regularly given very high paid consulting positions in large power industry companies in that country. Very regularly.
Corrupt oligarchs trying to cling to their ill-gotten gains by suddenly turning their dodgy ventures into respectable businesses with westerners on their board.
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:This was always going to hurt Biden, makes you wonder.
Lawyers who have no links to the power industry and don’t speak Ukrainian are regularly given very high paid consulting positions in large power industry companies in that country. Very regularly.
What’s come out from it all is that Hunter was dishonourably frog marched out of the Services for cocaine use.
It shouldn’t matter for his dad but in a Services centric America it will hurt his dad.
He had to get dispensation to actually get a role in the reserves as he was already over the age limit. He then goes and gets caught for drug use. Brilliant. A cunning plan.
Nah, you can’t beat an old white man with another one.
Peak Warming Man said:
furious said:
- This was always going to hurt Biden
I always thought that Biden would have been a mistake…
I thought he was the Dems best chance of rolling the Clown, anyway he’s not dead yet.
Same here, which is why I thought the Grans tactic of writing an anti-Biden article every second day was just stupid. Now I suspect it doesn’t matter, he’s dead in teh water.
furious said:
- I thought he was the Dems best chance of rolling the Clown, anyway he’s not dead yet.
Nah, you can’t beat an old white man with another one.
Yeah, you could have. He’s really liked by parts of the Democrats demographic that didn’t really turn out for Clinton. Doesn’t matter now.
It’s not those voters you need to convince. Those on the fence see two old white dudes and don’t bother turning up or go better the devil they know…
sibeen said:
furious said:
- I thought he was the Dems best chance of rolling the Clown, anyway he’s not dead yet.
Nah, you can’t beat an old white man with another one.
Yeah, you could have. He’s really liked by parts of the Democrats demographic that didn’t really turn out for Clinton. Doesn’t matter now.
A few million down the gurgler ya reckon. If trump can avoid impeachment and so far I reckon he will, it’s a win for him.
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
furious said:
- I thought he was the Dems best chance of rolling the Clown, anyway he’s not dead yet.
Nah, you can’t beat an old white man with another one.
Yeah, you could have. He’s really liked by parts of the Democrats demographic that didn’t really turn out for Clinton. Doesn’t matter now.
A few million down the gurgler ya reckon. If trump can avoid impeachment and so far I reckon he will, it’s a win for him.
Oh, I think Trump is chortling away. The Dems have over-reached and it’s going to cost them big time. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
sibeen said:
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:Yeah, you could have. He’s really liked by parts of the Democrats demographic that didn’t really turn out for Clinton. Doesn’t matter now.
A few million down the gurgler ya reckon. If trump can avoid impeachment and so far I reckon he will, it’s a win for him.
Oh, I think Trump is chortling away. The Dems have over-reached and it’s going to cost them big time. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
They must have had stuff. Or you would think so, why pull the trigger the day before otherwise?
sibeen said:
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:Yeah, you could have. He’s really liked by parts of the Democrats demographic that didn’t really turn out for Clinton. Doesn’t matter now.
A few million down the gurgler ya reckon. If trump can avoid impeachment and so far I reckon he will, it’s a win for him.
Oh, I think Trump is chortling away. The Dems have over-reached and it’s going to cost them big time. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
It’s the mouth frothing fourth estate that are making it hard for the Dems, they need to speak their truth quietly and make sure before they pick up their pens that it is the truth and not just the wish fathering the thought.
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
AwesomeO said:A few million down the gurgler ya reckon. If trump can avoid impeachment and so far I reckon he will, it’s a win for him.
Oh, I think Trump is chortling away. The Dems have over-reached and it’s going to cost them big time. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
They must have had stuff. Or you would think so, why pull the trigger the day before otherwise?
Having a read I don’t think they’ve got much ‘stuff’. Certainly not enough to have many Repub senators cross the floor.
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
BTW, I think this fucks Biden and so the Gran can write nasty articles about him all day long and I won’t care. I hope someone comes out of the Dems pack (go Tulsi) as I suspect Trump would now beat Biden and Warren.
This was always going to hurt Biden, makes you wonder.
Lawyers who have no links to the power industry and don’t speak Ukrainian are regularly given very high paid consulting positions in large power industry companies in that country. Very regularly.
How about speaking Russian?
About a third of Ukranians have Russian as a first language, and most of the rest are pretty fluent in it.
I used to have pleasant conversations in Russian with Katya, a Ukranian lady in Bundaberg (and who was stunningly beautiful, as a bonus), and i learnt a good deal about the Ukraine from her, and it kept my rusty Russian alive for a while.
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
furious said:
- I thought he was the Dems best chance of rolling the Clown, anyway he’s not dead yet.
Nah, you can’t beat an old white man with another one.
Yeah, you could have. He’s really liked by parts of the Democrats demographic that didn’t really turn out for Clinton. Doesn’t matter now.
A few million down the gurgler ya reckon. If trump can avoid impeachment and so far I reckon he will, it’s a win for him.
Even if he doesn’t avoid it, impeachment will only energize his base;
in the lead up to elections;
Trumps base will be energized….Who wants impeachment again? Oh yeah, a whole bunch of people here…
There’s some real dumb stuff going on these days.
Was that one of them 0055 numbers?
sibeen said:
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:Oh, I think Trump is chortling away. The Dems have over-reached and it’s going to cost them big time. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
They must have had stuff. Or you would think so, why pull the trigger the day before otherwise?
Having a read I don’t think they’ve got much ‘stuff’. Certainly not enough to have many Repub senators cross the floor.
Well announcing an inquiry the day before you read the transcripts is just stupid. Wait a day.
Impeaching a President is a tough deal, and it’s designed to be that way. No-one says you can’t try it, but you have to be aware that it could end up hurting your side more than it does his/her side.
I don’t think that the Democrats will get rid of Trump this way. I don’t think that they realistically imagine that they will, either. I think that they may just be doing it for the reason they claim: because it’s the right thing to do, to try to hold a dickhead President to account.
If they go down in flames, i’ll give ‘em a salute as they go.
furious said:
- I used to have pleasant conversations in Russian with Katya, a Ukranian lady in Bundaberg
Was that one of them 0055 numbers?
Mate, if i thought that the 0055 ladies were like anything like Katya, my phone bill would be astronomical.
captain_spalding said:
Impeaching a President is a tough deal, and it’s designed to be that way. No-one says you can’t try it, but you have to be aware that it could end up hurting your side more than it does his/her side.I don’t think that the Democrats will get rid of Trump this way. I don’t think that they realistically imagine that they will, either. I think that they may just be doing it for the reason they claim: because it’s the right thing to do, to try to hold a dickhead President to account.
If they go down in flames, i’ll give ‘em a salute as they go.
I see it being a kind of parallel with the Get Hillary campaign strategy. Chip off the prevaricating supporters and stop them getting out and voting. Trump’s actual base is shrinking because he has pissed off so many of them, so anything that stops just a few percent from bothering to vote Republican:Trump could tip the balance. Anything that gets a few of the unenthusiastic Not Hillary Democrats from last time off their arses and into the polling station saying “we’re not making that mistake twice” makes up another small percentage. That is all they need.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Impeaching a President is a tough deal, and it’s designed to be that way. No-one says you can’t try it, but you have to be aware that it could end up hurting your side more than it does his/her side.I don’t think that the Democrats will get rid of Trump this way. I don’t think that they realistically imagine that they will, either. I think that they may just be doing it for the reason they claim: because it’s the right thing to do, to try to hold a dickhead President to account.
If they go down in flames, i’ll give ‘em a salute as they go.
I see it being a kind of parallel with the Get Hillary campaign strategy. Chip off the prevaricating supporters and stop them getting out and voting. Trump’s actual base is shrinking because he has pissed off so many of them, so anything that stops just a few percent from bothering to vote Republican:Trump could tip the balance. Anything that gets a few of the unenthusiastic Not Hillary Democrats from last time off their arses and into the polling station saying “we’re not making that mistake twice” makes up another small percentage. That is all they need.
I don’t know the chances but it could get a realistic Republican nominee up in the primaries too. Though I know nothing of who has their hand up…
captain_spalding said:
Impeaching a President is a tough deal, and it’s designed to be that way. No-one says you can’t try it, but you have to be aware that it could end up hurting your side more than it does his/her side.I don’t think that the Democrats will get rid of Trump this way. I don’t think that they realistically imagine that they will, either. I think that they may just be doing it for the reason they claim: because it’s the right thing to do, to try to hold a dickhead President to account.
If they go down in flames, i’ll give ‘em a salute as they go.
I’ve always thought that his achilles heel will be his tax returns, they have to be shonky as all get out.
furious said:
I don’t know the chances but it could get a realistic Republican nominee up in the primaries too. Though I know nothing of who has their hand up…
Well, Dog knows, that’d be some kind of a positive result. Anything to ditch the current Dickhead-in-Chief.
I know we thought they couldn’t do worse than Geo. W. Bush, and we were shown to have thought wrong.
But really…worse than Trump? We’re talking about voting not just for a different candidate there, but a different species.
dv said:
So there have been a few more Republicans come out the woodwork to say that this is “troubling” etc, in addition to Senators Romney and Sasse.Republican Congressman and member of the House Intelligence Committee, Mike Turner, has been a staunch Trump defender up til now but at the hearing he said, “Concerning that conversation, I want to say to the president, this is not okay. That conversation is not okay, and I think it’s disappointing to the American public when they read the transcript.”
Republican Governor of Vermont, Phil Scott, and Republican Governor of Massachusetts, Charlie Baker, have now said they support the impeachment inquiry taking place.
DV,
You are one of the smartest people on this forum.
This is known.
You are looking at this game of thrones like it’s still 1999….
The social environment has changed, drastically, since that time. This is Trumps world now. He didn’t create it, but by fuck he is capitalizing on it; biggly….
“Troubling”…….. LOL! Gosh! Oh my. It’s “troubling”.
Even if he loses the next election… even if he’s impeached and convicted and thrown out and thrown in jail… it’s a different world now… the dragons are back.
The old rules don’t apply today. Please, please look at the world as it is… then you wont find yourself gritting your teeth when you agree with me.
Also, to anyone that hates seeing my name appear in the left hand panel because they hate me, don’t worry too much. It’s only life circumstances that have seen me reading and posting to this forum more than usual, circumstances that are likely to revert to normal this weekend and see me going back to posting once or twice a week at most in much more friendly ways.
Are you Israel’s Son?
furious said:
- Also, to anyone that hates seeing my name appear in the left hand panel because they hate me
Are you Israel’s Son?
Does he sit in the silver chair?
Yes…
furious said:
- Also, to anyone that hates seeing my name appear in the left hand panel because they hate me
Are you Israel’s Son?
I’ve been pretty obnoxious around here recently. More so than usual. I know that. Most likely no-one notices or cares. I know that too. I’m on the turps a lot these last few weeks, and aspects of my psyche are being revealed here and in other online fora which are usually well repressed. It’s somewhat embarrassing, but also cathartic. I’ll be dead soon so I don’t really care what happens in the future. I don’t know what you mean by “Israel’s Son”.
sibeen said:
dv said:
So there have been a few more Republicans come out the woodwork to say that this is “troubling” etc, in addition to Senators Romney and Sasse.Republican Congressman and member of the House Intelligence Committee, Mike Turner, has been a staunch Trump defender up til now but at the hearing he said, “Concerning that conversation, I want to say to the president, this is not okay. That conversation is not okay, and I think it’s disappointing to the American public when they read the transcript.”
Republican Governor of Vermont, Phil Scott, and Republican Governor of Massachusetts, Charlie Baker, have now said they support the impeachment inquiry taking place.
So no Republican senators switching sides then.
“Switching sides”
Wouldn’t fall of my chair if Romney and Collins support conviction, ultimately, but at the moment they are saying it’s too early to comment.
Of course, that don’t get you antwhere near 67.
we’ll all be dead son, Ace.
Don’t let it get in the way of being around while you can be around.
Hell, i’m astonished that i’m still here. Dog knows, i have no right to be. Better than me have gone before, and i’m still in the land of, still being a nuisance. There’s no justice or reason in it, just as there’s no predicting it .
Stick your nose in a bit more often, be obnoxious if obnoxious is what you be. Don’t make no never mind, we’re all bụi đời .
captain_spalding said:
we’ll all be dead son, Ace.Don’t let it get in the way of being around while you can be around.
Hell, i’m astonished that i’m still here. Dog knows, i have no right to be. Better than me have gone before, and i’m still in the land of, still being a nuisance. There’s no justice or reason in it, just as there’s no predicting it .
Stick your nose in a bit more often, be obnoxious if obnoxious is what you be. Don’t make no never mind, we’re all bụi đời .
fuck yeah.
esselte said:
Also, to anyone that hates seeing my name appear in the left hand panel because they hate me, don’t worry too much. It’s only life circumstances that have seen me reading and posting to this forum more than usual, circumstances that are likely to revert to normal this weekend and see me going back to posting once or twice a week at most in much more friendly ways.
I hope the weekend change is something good.
Feel free to talk about it if you want to.
As someone who frequently disagrees with what you write, and is occasionally irritated by it, I certainly don’t hate you or seeing your name appear.
The Rev Dodgson said:
esselte said:
Also, to anyone that hates seeing my name appear in the left hand panel because they hate me, don’t worry too much. It’s only life circumstances that have seen me reading and posting to this forum more than usual, circumstances that are likely to revert to normal this weekend and see me going back to posting once or twice a week at most in much more friendly ways.
I hope the weekend change is something good.
Feel free to talk about it if you want to.
As someone who frequently disagrees with what you write, and is occasionally irritated by it, I certainly don’t hate you or seeing your name appear.
I hate everybody.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
esselte said:
Also, to anyone that hates seeing my name appear in the left hand panel because they hate me, don’t worry too much. It’s only life circumstances that have seen me reading and posting to this forum more than usual, circumstances that are likely to revert to normal this weekend and see me going back to posting once or twice a week at most in much more friendly ways.
I hope the weekend change is something good.
Feel free to talk about it if you want to.
As someone who frequently disagrees with what you write, and is occasionally irritated by it, I certainly don’t hate you or seeing your name appear.
I hate everybody.
That’s what happens when you are Judge Mental, I suppose.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I hope the weekend change is something good.
Feel free to talk about it if you want to.
As someone who frequently disagrees with what you write, and is occasionally irritated by it, I certainly don’t hate you or seeing your name appear.
I hate everybody.
That’s what happens when you are Judge Mental, I suppose.
Judges are Unhappy people!
Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
To show you how dishonest the LameStream Media is, I used the word Liddle’, not Liddle, in discribing Corrupt Congressman Liddle’ Adam Schiff. Low ratings @CNN purposely took the hyphen out and said I spelled the word little wrong. A small but never ending situation with CNN!
4:02 AM – 27 Sep 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177539052683309056?s=20&fbclid=IwAR0ssD-XL9kVrq—F7aiXC3tox1K0B8eHtntrEJBOlrzamUXCC_2CX0Pk6E
Given all the serious stuff going on, I guess it is a little churlish to be talking about how illiterate the President is.
Yet here we are.
Two closing quotation marks.
Mysterious RD.
All by itself, respected.
dv said:
Given all the serious stuff going on, I guess it is a little churlish to be talking about how illiterate the President is.Yet here we are.
Two closing quotation marks.
Mysterious RD.
All by itself, respected.
their.
sarahs mum said:
Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrumpTo show you how dishonest the LameStream Media is, I used the word Liddle’, not Liddle, in discribing Corrupt Congressman Liddle’ Adam Schiff. Low ratings @CNN purposely took the hyphen out and said I spelled the word little wrong. A small but never ending situation with CNN!
4:02 AM – 27 Sep 2019https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177539052683309056?s=20&fbclid=IwAR0ssD-XL9kVrq—F7aiXC3tox1K0B8eHtntrEJBOlrzamUXCC_2CX0Pk6E
That’s a cracker.
He thinks that Liddle’ is an appropriate way of spelling little.
He thinks that taking the apostrophe off it makes it worse.
He also thinks that an apostrophe is a hyphen.
LameStream media, like some kind of lampoon of an incel.
He uses crazy random capitalisation.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Given all the serious stuff going on, I guess it is a little churlish to be talking about how illiterate the President is.Yet here we are.
Two closing quotation marks.
Mysterious RD.
All by itself, respected.their.
Shit, I didn’t even catch that.
Is it possible the mad king is deteriorating?
I didn’t even mention that he said “no treason” twice.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Given all the serious stuff going on, I guess it is a little churlish to be talking about how illiterate the President is.Yet here we are.
Two closing quotation marks.
Mysterious RD.
All by itself, respected.their.
Shit, I didn’t even catch that.
Is it possible the mad king is deteriorating?
First thought was that he left off an ‘S.’
‘Is theirs a case for impeachment?’ makes some sor tof sense. But then it didn’t work.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:their.
Shit, I didn’t even catch that.
Is it possible the mad king is deteriorating?
First thought was that he left off an ‘S.’
‘Is theirs a case for impeachment?’ makes some sor tof sense. But then it didn’t work.
sort of sort of.
¿what about the verb noun count mismatch?
maybe sarahs mum took off the t of reason to make it the s of their
sarahs mum said:
Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrumpTo show you how dishonest the LameStream Media is, I used the word Liddle’, not Liddle, in discribing Corrupt Congressman Liddle’ Adam Schiff. Low ratings @CNN purposely took the hyphen out and said I spelled the word little wrong. A small but never ending situation with CNN!
4:02 AM – 27 Sep 2019https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177539052683309056?s=20&fbclid=IwAR0ssD-XL9kVrq—F7aiXC3tox1K0B8eHtntrEJBOlrzamUXCC_2CX0Pk6E
Someone took Trumps brain out and never put in back in.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Given all the serious stuff going on, I guess it is a little churlish to be talking about how illiterate the President is.Yet here we are.
Two closing quotation marks.
Mysterious RD.
All by itself, respected.their.
There is no high crimes
vs
There are no high crimes
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Given all the serious stuff going on, I guess it is a little churlish to be talking about how illiterate the President is.Yet here we are.
Two closing quotation marks.
Mysterious RD.
All by itself, respected.their.
There is no high crimes
vs
There are no high crimes
There’s no full stop at the end either.
dv said:
Given all the serious stuff going on, I guess it is a little churlish to be talking about how illiterate the President is.Yet here we are.
Two closing quotation marks.
Mysterious RD.
All by itself, respected.
I hate the TGW Trumps as much as anyone, but it’s just a tweet.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Given all the serious stuff going on, I guess it is a little churlish to be talking about how illiterate the President is.Yet here we are.
Two closing quotation marks.
Mysterious RD.
All by itself, respected.I hate the TGW Trumps as much as anyone, but it’s just a tweet.
You must remember this
A tweet is still a tweet
A Trump is still a Trump
The fundamental things apply
His IQ ain’t that high
ruby said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Given all the serious stuff going on, I guess it is a little churlish to be talking about how illiterate the President is.Yet here we are.
Two closing quotation marks.
Mysterious RD.
All by itself, respected.I hate the TGW Trumps as much as anyone, but it’s just a tweet.
You must remember this
A tweet is still a tweet
A Trump is still a Trump
The fundamental things apply
His IQ ain’t that high
and
Even though his brain is smaller than his very tiny penius,
He is the very model of a modern stable genius.
ruby said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Given all the serious stuff going on, I guess it is a little churlish to be talking about how illiterate the President is.Yet here we are.
Two closing quotation marks.
Mysterious RD.
All by itself, respected.I hate the TGW Trumps as much as anyone, but it’s just a tweet.
You must remember this
A tweet is still a tweet
A Trump is still a Trump
The fundamental things apply
His IQ ain’t that high
:)
The Rev Dodgson said:
ruby said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I hate the TGW Trumps as much as anyone, but it’s just a tweet.
You must remember this
A tweet is still a tweet
A Trump is still a Trump
The fundamental things apply
His IQ ain’t that high
and
Even though his brain is smaller than his very tiny penius,
He is the very model of a modern stable genius.
Must be a genius. I expect that he will get re-elected. There’s some quite powerful forces at work on it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ruby said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I hate the TGW Trumps as much as anyone, but it’s just a tweet.
You must remember this
A tweet is still a tweet
A Trump is still a Trump
The fundamental things apply
His IQ ain’t that high
and
Even though his brain is smaller than his very tiny penius,
He is the very model of a modern stable genius.
Good try.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ruby said:You must remember this
A tweet is still a tweet
A Trump is still a Trump
The fundamental things apply
His IQ ain’t that high
and
Even though his brain is smaller than his very tiny penius,
He is the very model of a modern stable genius.Good try.
Randy Rainbow quote.
ruby said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ruby said:You must remember this
A tweet is still a tweet
A Trump is still a Trump
The fundamental things apply
His IQ ain’t that high
and
Even though his brain is smaller than his very tiny penius,
He is the very model of a modern stable genius.Must be a genius. I expect that he will get re-elected. There’s some quite powerful forces at work on it.
I’m still optimistic that he’ll get dumped, but the Dems do need to get their act together.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-28/analysis-scott-morrison-captive-in-donald-trumps-orbit/11551394
Pompeo subpoenaed by House committees for failure to produce Ukraine documents
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/09/27/politics/pompeo-congressional-subpoena-ukraine/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F
Okay I’ve caught up on the news so I know what sm was talking about now: Trump telling reporters that they really need to be looking at Mike Pence’s phone calls with Zelenskyy.
If he throws Pence under the bus and they both crash out simultaneously then Nancy Pelosi becomes president :-P but what would really happen is that either Trump would leave office first and Pence would become president and choose a vice (who would become president once Pence is impeached), or Pence leaves first and Trump appoints a new vice.
dv said:
Okay I’ve caught up on the news so I know what sm was talking about now: Trump telling reporters that they really need to be looking at Mike Pence’s phone calls with Zelenskyy.If he throws Pence under the bus and they both crash out simultaneously then Nancy Pelosi becomes president :-P but what would really happen is that either Trump would leave office first and Pence would become president and choose a vice (who would become president once Pence is impeached), or Pence leaves first and Trump appoints a new vice.
Trump’s trying that trick in the movies where a character grabs another actor, and uses him as a shield from the bullets of the ‘other side’.
Unfortunately, Mythbusters recently demonstrated that it just doesn’t work in real life. Hope Trump learns that the hard way (in a political sense, not literally).
Back from El Paso.
Storm has hit.
mr kii had a CAT scan not an MRI.
While I was waiting I saw a very scared, Latin American in appearance, young man/boy. He was being guarded by two sheriff officers. They all had masks on, he was waiting for transportation after his imaging. Poor little bastard looked so scared. Fuck I hate trump.
dv said:
Okay I’ve caught up on the news so I know what sm was talking about now: Trump telling reporters that they really need to be looking at Mike Pence’s phone calls with Zelenskyy.If he throws Pence under the bus and they both crash out simultaneously then Nancy Pelosi becomes president :-P but what would really happen is that either Trump would leave office first and Pence would become president and choose a vice (who would become president once Pence is impeached), or Pence leaves first and Trump appoints a new vice.
It’s as riveting as Netflix!!
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Okay I’ve caught up on the news so I know what sm was talking about now: Trump telling reporters that they really need to be looking at Mike Pence’s phone calls with Zelenskyy.If he throws Pence under the bus and they both crash out simultaneously then Nancy Pelosi becomes president :-P but what would really happen is that either Trump would leave office first and Pence would become president and choose a vice (who would become president once Pence is impeached), or Pence leaves first and Trump appoints a new vice.
Trump’s trying that trick in the movies where a character grabs another actor, and uses him as a shield from the bullets of the ‘other side’.
Unfortunately, Mythbusters recently demonstrated that it just doesn’t work in real life. Hope Trump learns that the hard way (in a political sense, not literally).
If Trumps Presidency itself was a movie, it would involve a train travelling at high speed while parts of it are on fire, there would be lots of gunfights and many people would be lying on the floor, there would be chaos, chases, general mayhem, lots of shouting and guns going off all the time.
Now here’s a thing, you are half a percent lighter if you live in say Singapore than if you lived in say Helsinki.
It’s something to do with spin gravity, probably G-Spin Central.
Peak Warming Man said:
Now here’s a thing, you are half a percent lighter if you live in say Singapore than if you lived in say Helsinki.
It’s something to do with spin gravity, probably G-Spin Central.
Except the tucker is pretty good in Singapore so that might not work out…
There’s been kind of a deluge of Trump news in the last couple of hours, I’ll summarise in one post rather than filling the vbt.
White House restricted access to Trump’s calls with Putin and Saudi crown prince
White House efforts to limit access to President Donald Trump’s conversations with foreign leaders extended to phone calls with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Russian leader Vladimir Putin, according to people familiar with the matter.
Those calls — both with leaders who maintain controversial relationships with Trump — were among the presidential conversations that aides took remarkable steps to keep from becoming public.
In the case of Trump’s call with Prince Mohammed, officials who ordinarily would have been given access to a rough transcript of the conversation never saw one, according to one of the sources. Instead, a transcript was never circulated at all, which the source said was highly unusual, particularly after a high-profile conversation.
Trump and NRA head met at White House
President Donald Trump and Wayne LaPierre, the chief executive of the National Rifle Association, met Friday at the White House, an administration official confirmed to CNN.
La Pierre “asked that the White House ‘stop the games’ over gun control legislation.”
*Kurt Volker, US special envoy to Ukraine, has resigned *
Kurt Volker, US special envoy to Ukraine, has resigned one day after the release of a whistleblower report alleging a coverup by the White House of a call between President Trump and the Ukrainian leader, three sources familiar with the matter confirmed to CNN.
“We have reached that point of intersection between the books they didn’t want us reading in high school: A Clockwork Orange collides with 1984 in the sordid tale of the trump white house…” Paul Christofersen
It has emerged that, in addition to the memorandum of Trump’s conversation with Zelenskyy, several other conversations’ memoranda had been placed on “code-word classified” servers.
This is a breach of protocol, as these servers are normally reserved for matters of the highest classification associated with national security. The placement of these conversations on the code-word classified servers indicates that WH staff understood that the President had engaged in some form of misconduct, and hence, they engaged in an illegal coverup aimed at thwarting constitutionally mandated Congressional oversight of the President’s activities.
One matter that has also emerged is that during his already infamous Oval Office meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, Trump stated that he was “unconcerned “ about Russian interference in US elections, and that it was “no big deal” because the US had also historically interfered in foreign elections. I say “already infamous” because this was the meeting in which Trump bragged that he got rid of Comey because of his investigation into Russian interference, and also disclosed classified information that had been provided by Israel.
none of it seems to matter
Trump has tweeted calling out six House Democrats in particular as “savages” … all of them either Jewish or non-white. He knows how to play to his base, you’ve got to hand it to him.
Not satire
State Department steps up investigation of Hillary Clinton’s email server: 130 officials contacted
dv said:
Not satireState Department steps up investigation of Hillary Clinton’s email server: 130 officials contacted
Read the story a week ago on the saturday paper about the head of the NDIS who has all of her emails on the Macquarie bank server. this doesn’t seem to be a problem in this country.
well if you got nothing to hide what fear of having it revealed
SCIENCE said:
well if you got nothing to hide what fear of having it revealed
The prospect of the information being used for purposes contrary to your interests.
Poll: Majority of Americans say impeachment inquiry into Trump is necessary
Americans say they think Congress opening an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump is necessary, according to a CBS News poll released Sunday.
The poll, conducted by YouGov, shows 55% of Americans think the newly-opened probe necessary, while 45% of Americans think it unnecessary.
Americans split on whether Trump deserves to be impeached over his actions in the handling of matters concerning Ukraine, with 42% saying he does deserve to be impeached over his actions and 36% saying he does not. Twenty-two percent say it’s too soon to say, according to the poll.
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/09/29/politics/impeachment-inquiry-trump-cbs-poll/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F
Bear in mind …
All of this was happening in the aftermath of the Mueller investigation. A report came out saying the President had obstructed justice ten times, had interfered with witnesses and had lied to Federal investigators, and Congress was mulling over whether or not to proceed with impeachment. You’d think he’d keep his head down for a couple of months to let it all blow over.
In response to Trump tweeting that his removal from office would cause a “Civil War like fraction in this Nation from which our Country will never heal”, Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger has replied, “ I have visited nations ravaged by civil war. @realDonaldTrump I have never imagined such a quote to be repeated by a President. This is beyond repugnant.”
Rudi Giuliani appears ready to drag Mike Pompeo under the bus with him, telling interviewers, “I did not do this on my own, I did it at the request of the State Department, and I have all of the text messages to prove it. And I also have a thank you from them from doing a good job. When I talked to the secretary last week, he said he was aware of it.”
Yet another member of Trump’s transition team is on his way to prison.
Congressman Chris Collins, who was Trump’s staffing advisor during the Presidential transition period, has pleaded guilty to wire fraud, conspiracy to commit securities fraud, securities fraud, and lying to the FBI.
Collins will be the 7th member of Trump’s team to be convicted of felonies.
dv said:
Yet another member of Trump’s transition team is on his way to prison.Congressman Chris Collins, who was Trump’s staffing advisor during the Presidential transition period, has pleaded guilty to wire fraud, conspiracy to commit securities fraud, securities fraud, and lying to the FBI.
Collins will be the 7th member of Trump’s team to be convicted of felonies.
Well, some are doing a good job of draining the swamp…
Michael V said:
dv said:
Yet another member of Trump’s transition team is on his way to prison.Congressman Chris Collins, who was Trump’s staffing advisor during the Presidential transition period, has pleaded guilty to wire fraud, conspiracy to commit securities fraud, securities fraud, and lying to the FBI.
Collins will be the 7th member of Trump’s team to be convicted of felonies.
Well, some are doing a good job of draining the swamp…
I’m glad he got the best people because damn the second best people must have been bad.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Yet another member of Trump’s transition team is on his way to prison.Congressman Chris Collins, who was Trump’s staffing advisor during the Presidential transition period, has pleaded guilty to wire fraud, conspiracy to commit securities fraud, securities fraud, and lying to the FBI.
Collins will be the 7th member of Trump’s team to be convicted of felonies.
Well, some are doing a good job of draining the swamp…
Meanwhile other members of the Trump transition team are making news for other reasons…
“The Mueller Report Was My Tipping Point
I was a Trump transition staffer, and I’ve seen enough. It’s time for impeachment.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/gop-staffer-advocates-trumps-impeachment/587785/
i thought it was all a setup like the tax returns, generate a scandal, then release a safe one, have Mueller hint at impeachment, get the Democrats in too deep, and then turn it all around and burn them all to the ground
SCIENCE said:
i thought it was all a setup like the tax returns, generate a scandal, then release a safe one, have Mueller hint at impeachment, get the Democrats in too deep, and then turn it all around and burn them all to the ground
Nah. I get the feeling that with Trump being unable to grasp the principle of honesty all his opponents need to do is start looking. I reckon they’ll keep turning up one thing after another. It is just a matter of tim.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
i thought it was all a setup like the tax returns, generate a scandal, then release a safe one, have Mueller hint at impeachment, get the Democrats in too deep, and then turn it all around and burn them all to the ground
Nah. I get the feeling that with Trump being unable to grasp the principle of honesty all his opponents need to do is start looking. I reckon they’ll keep turning up one thing after another. It is just a matter of tim.
Minchin or Brooke Taylor?
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
i thought it was all a setup like the tax returns, generate a scandal, then release a safe one, have Mueller hint at impeachment, get the Democrats in too deep, and then turn it all around and burn them all to the ground
Nah. I get the feeling that with Trump being unable to grasp the principle of honesty all his opponents need to do is start looking. I reckon they’ll keep turning up one thing after another. It is just a matter of tim.
It’s Tim! It’s Tim! It’s Tim!
Neophyte said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
i thought it was all a setup like the tax returns, generate a scandal, then release a safe one, have Mueller hint at impeachment, get the Democrats in too deep, and then turn it all around and burn them all to the ground
Nah. I get the feeling that with Trump being unable to grasp the principle of honesty all his opponents need to do is start looking. I reckon they’ll keep turning up one thing after another. It is just a matter of tim.
Minchin or Brooke Taylor?
It’s Tim for a change, Yes it’s Tim.
Neophyte said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
i thought it was all a setup like the tax returns, generate a scandal, then release a safe one, have Mueller hint at impeachment, get the Democrats in too deep, and then turn it all around and burn them all to the ground
Nah. I get the feeling that with Trump being unable to grasp the principle of honesty all his opponents need to do is start looking. I reckon they’ll keep turning up one thing after another. It is just a matter of tim.
Minchin or Brooke Taylor?
nerrgh +e
Alexandra Downer is a dirty Russian spy!
‘Two people charged with aggravated assault over a fight at an AFL game at Adelaide Oval are engaged in another altercation outside court.’ – ABC
The prosecution rests its case, m’lud,
captain_spalding said:
‘Two people charged with aggravated assault over a fight at an AFL game at Adelaide Oval are engaged in another altercation outside court.’ – ABCThe prosecution rests its case, m’lud,
Bugger. Wrong thread. Again.
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
‘Two people charged with aggravated assault over a fight at an AFL game at Adelaide Oval are engaged in another altercation outside court.’ – ABCThe prosecution rests its case, m’lud,
Bugger. Wrong thread. Again.
Holistically speaking…it is all connected.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
‘Two people charged with aggravated assault over a fight at an AFL game at Adelaide Oval are engaged in another altercation outside court.’ – ABCThe prosecution rests its case, m’lud,
Bugger. Wrong thread. Again.
Holistically speaking…it is all connected.
you could probably blame Trump for that.
Trump on Letterman 2013, talk about Deja view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR_SoJpWzOA
Peak Warming Man said:
Trump on Letterman 2013, talk about Deja view.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR_SoJpWzOA
It isn’t like people didn’t know.
Peak Warming Man said:
Trump on Letterman 2013, talk about Deja view.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR_SoJpWzOA
The bits I watched were QI.
Pity he didn’t stick to stitching up and fleecing in big business, and pretending to be a good guy on chat shows.
Last night, 60 minutes reported that the whistleblower who helped expose Donald Trump’s a request to the Ukrainian president is now under federal protection because according to the lawyers for this whistleblower, they now fear for their lives because of both the actions of Donald Trump and the actions of some ardent Trump supporters. Ah, right now you’ve got a couple of right wing groups out there offering $50,000 for anyone who can expose the identity of this whistleblower. That’s how anxious these Trumpers are to take this person down and make no mistake. That’s why they want to know who this person is. They want to either dox them and you know, post every embarrassing Facebook picture this person may have ever posted in their life, or possibly something even worse than just a showing us some embarrassing pictures of this individual. But none of that compares to what Donald Trump himself has had to say about this whistleblower. Obviously a couple of days ago, the audio emerge where Donald Trump suggested killing the whistleblower. You know, handling them like we did in the old days when we caught spies, which was to murder them. And that’s what Donald Trump suggested for this whistle blower. Then on Sunday, and this was after, uh, the whistle blowers, attorneys actually announced that he had been put or he or she actually had been put in a federal protection. Trump tweeted out the following. Like every American, I deserve to meet my accuser, especially when this accuser, the so-called whistleblower, represented a perfect conversation with a foreign leader in a totally inaccurate and fraudulent way. In addition, I want to meet not only my accuser who presented second and third hand information, but also the person who illegally gave this information. I don’t know what Trump means when he says, I have a right to meet my accuser because, no, no, you actually don’t. You never have a right to meet your accuser. You don’t have a right to sit down to a nice dinner with them, maybe sit down for a coffee. You have the right to face them in a court of law. If a criminal trial proceeds, that is what us law dictates. That is what us law requires. It does not say anything about getting to meet this person or even know their identity until your sitting in a court room across from them. Of course, in Donald Trump’s case, that court is not going to be an actual courtroom. It’s going to be the Senate chamber where an impeachment trial would actually take place.
Whistleblower Under Federal Protection After Trump Threatens “Big Consequences”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMRXTGgrksY
Rudi has been subpoenad
dv said:
Rudi has been subpoenad
By whom?
dv said:
Rudi has been subpoenad
Seems obvious.
Going by the 538 polling averages, DJT’s favourability has dropped from 43.1% to 41.5% since the news of the Ukraine scandal broke. Unfavourability has risen from 53.0% to 53.5%, meaning a “net favourability” shift of 2.1%. There’s a bit of votalitiy even in polling averages so it would probably take a week of further polls to say whether this is statistically meaningful but it was a pretty sharp drop.
This is still a fairly normal level of support for the President, as the weeks leading up these events had seen some slow recovery.

dv said:
Going by the 538 polling averages, DJT’s favourability has dropped from 43.1% to 41.5% since the news of the Ukraine scandal broke. Unfavourability has risen from 53.0% to 53.5%, meaning a “net favourability” shift of 2.1%. There’s a bit of votalitiy even in polling averages so it would probably take a week of further polls to say whether this is statistically meaningful but it was a pretty sharp drop.This is still a fairly normal level of support for the President, as the weeks leading up these events had seen some slow recovery.
I disapprove of the thickness of those lines in such a small graph
Dropbear said:
dv said:
Going by the 538 polling averages, DJT’s favourability has dropped from 43.1% to 41.5% since the news of the Ukraine scandal broke. Unfavourability has risen from 53.0% to 53.5%, meaning a “net favourability” shift of 2.1%. There’s a bit of votalitiy even in polling averages so it would probably take a week of further polls to say whether this is statistically meaningful but it was a pretty sharp drop.This is still a fairly normal level of support for the President, as the weeks leading up these events had seen some slow recovery.
I disapprove of the thickness of those lines in such a small graph
I disapprove of the thickness too.
They should be thicker.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I disapprove of the thickness too.
They should be thicker.

The Rev Dodgson said:
Dropbear said:
dv said:
Going by the 538 polling averages, DJT’s favourability has dropped from 43.1% to 41.5% since the news of the Ukraine scandal broke. Unfavourability has risen from 53.0% to 53.5%, meaning a “net favourability” shift of 2.1%. There’s a bit of votalitiy even in polling averages so it would probably take a week of further polls to say whether this is statistically meaningful but it was a pretty sharp drop.This is still a fairly normal level of support for the President, as the weeks leading up these events had seen some slow recovery.
I disapprove of the thickness of those lines in such a small graph
I disapprove of the thickness too.
They should be thicker.
Wrong colours..
Dropbear said:
dv said:
Going by the 538 polling averages, DJT’s favourability has dropped from 43.1% to 41.5% since the news of the Ukraine scandal broke. Unfavourability has risen from 53.0% to 53.5%, meaning a “net favourability” shift of 2.1%. There’s a bit of votalitiy even in polling averages so it would probably take a week of further polls to say whether this is statistically meaningful but it was a pretty sharp drop.This is still a fairly normal level of support for the President, as the weeks leading up these events had seen some slow recovery.
I disapprove of the thickness of those lines in such a small graph
It’s just their front page graphic, but their main graph has too compressed a time scale to represent changes over the last week.
dv said:
Dropbear said:
dv said:
Going by the 538 polling averages, DJT’s favourability has dropped from 43.1% to 41.5% since the news of the Ukraine scandal broke. Unfavourability has risen from 53.0% to 53.5%, meaning a “net favourability” shift of 2.1%. There’s a bit of votalitiy even in polling averages so it would probably take a week of further polls to say whether this is statistically meaningful but it was a pretty sharp drop.This is still a fairly normal level of support for the President, as the weeks leading up these events had seen some slow recovery.
I disapprove of the thickness of those lines in such a small graph
It’s just their front page graphic, but their main graph has too compressed a time scale to represent changes over the last week.
I’m an imaginative man, but find it hard to imagine the mindset of the many millions of Americans whose verdict on Trump is: “This guy is great and he’s on my side.”
dv said:
Dropbear said:
dv said:
Going by the 538 polling averages, DJT’s favourability has dropped from 43.1% to 41.5% since the news of the Ukraine scandal broke. Unfavourability has risen from 53.0% to 53.5%, meaning a “net favourability” shift of 2.1%. There’s a bit of votalitiy even in polling averages so it would probably take a week of further polls to say whether this is statistically meaningful but it was a pretty sharp drop.This is still a fairly normal level of support for the President, as the weeks leading up these events had seen some slow recovery.
I disapprove of the thickness of those lines in such a small graph
It’s just their front page graphic, but their main graph has too compressed a time scale to represent changes over the last week.
I thought it was a fat polling worm.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Dropbear said:I disapprove of the thickness of those lines in such a small graph
It’s just their front page graphic, but their main graph has too compressed a time scale to represent changes over the last week.
I’m an imaginative man, but find it hard to imagine the mindset of the many millions of Americans whose verdict on Trump is: “This guy is great and he’s on my side.”
Possible racist rednecks who love him as he comes across as man of the people and he has no self censor
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Dropbear said:I disapprove of the thickness of those lines in such a small graph
It’s just their front page graphic, but their main graph has too compressed a time scale to represent changes over the last week.
I’m an imaginative man, but find it hard to imagine the mindset of the many millions of Americans whose verdict on Trump is: “This guy is great and he’s on my side.”
You would be tar and feathered if you ventured onto his side.
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:It’s just their front page graphic, but their main graph has too compressed a time scale to represent changes over the last week.
I’m an imaginative man, but find it hard to imagine the mindset of the many millions of Americans whose verdict on Trump is: “This guy is great and he’s on my side.”
Possible racist rednecks who love him as he comes across as man of the people and he has no self censor
Maybe but 41.5% is one shitload of racist rednecks.
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:I’m an imaginative man, but find it hard to imagine the mindset of the many millions of Americans whose verdict on Trump is: “This guy is great and he’s on my side.”
Possible racist rednecks who love him as he comes across as man of the people and he has no self censor
Maybe but 41.5% is one shitload of racist rednecks.
Possible maybe they all came out of the closest as if the president can act that way so can we.
Lots of ignorant people seem to believe all sorts of nonsense about minorities groups especially if some authority figure says it and don’t actually check if its true
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:I’m an imaginative man, but find it hard to imagine the mindset of the many millions of Americans whose verdict on Trump is: “This guy is great and he’s on my side.”
Possible racist rednecks who love him as he comes across as man of the people and he has no self censor
Maybe but 41.5% is one shitload of racist rednecks.
I don’t think you need to be a rr to accept Trump as a leader.
You just need to be a member of his tribe and to have inherited the genes for accepting the authority of the leader of your tribe.
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:I’m an imaginative man, but find it hard to imagine the mindset of the many millions of Americans whose verdict on Trump is: “This guy is great and he’s on my side.”
Possible racist rednecks who love him as he comes across as man of the people and he has no self censor
Maybe but 41.5% is one shitload of racist rednecks.
really and truly i’m sure 30% of them just think “well he’s not socialist”
Dropbear said:
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:Possible racist rednecks who love him as he comes across as man of the people and he has no self censor
Maybe but 41.5% is one shitload of racist rednecks.
really and truly i’m sure 30% of them just think “well he’s not socialist”
Afternoon all.
Only those who care to register an opinion contribute to the 41.5%. I wonder what % of the total eligible voters that is.
Dropbear said:
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:Possible racist rednecks who love him as he comes across as man of the people and he has no self censor
Maybe but 41.5% is one shitload of racist rednecks.
really and truly i’m sure 30% of them just think “well he’s not socialist”
I suppose also with rampant patriotism drummed into you from a young age its almost like a religious fervour, the president worship, doesn’t matter what they are like if they are a white man, most behaviour excused.
Cymek said:
Dropbear said:
Bubblecar said:Maybe but 41.5% is one shitload of racist rednecks.
really and truly i’m sure 30% of them just think “well he’s not socialist”
I suppose also with rampant patriotism drummed into you from a young age its almost like a religious fervour, the president worship, doesn’t matter what they are like if they are a white man, most behaviour excused.
so many americans seem to have a pathological fear of socialism, but most don’t understand the first thing about it.
I’m sure most of them think the entirely of Scandinavia are living in some hellish communist nightmare
Dropbear said:
Cymek said:
Dropbear said:really and truly i’m sure 30% of them just think “well he’s not socialist”
I suppose also with rampant patriotism drummed into you from a young age its almost like a religious fervour, the president worship, doesn’t matter what they are like if they are a white man, most behaviour excused.
so many americans seem to have a pathological fear of socialism, but most don’t understand the first thing about it.
They believe socialism & communism are identical.
Dropbear said:
Cymek said:
Dropbear said:really and truly i’m sure 30% of them just think “well he’s not socialist”
I suppose also with rampant patriotism drummed into you from a young age its almost like a religious fervour, the president worship, doesn’t matter what they are like if they are a white man, most behaviour excused.
so many americans seem to have a pathological fear of socialism, but most don’t understand the first thing about it.
It is equated with communism in the USA.
Tamb said:
Dropbear said:
Cymek said:I suppose also with rampant patriotism drummed into you from a young age its almost like a religious fervour, the president worship, doesn’t matter what they are like if they are a white man, most behaviour excused.
so many americans seem to have a pathological fear of socialism, but most don’t understand the first thing about it.
They believe socialism & communism are identical.
Whereas neo-nazism is not really a problem.
Dropbear said:
I’m sure most of them think the entirely of Scandinavia are living in some hellish communist nightmare
Dropbear said:
I’m sure most of them think the entirely of Scandinavia are living in some hellish communist nightmare
This is actually a bit of a meme among the alt-right: that Sweden in particular has gone to hell in a handbasket.
Tamb said:
Dropbear said:
I’m sure most of them think the entirely of Scandinavia are living in some hellish communist nightmare
Remember that USSR stood for The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics & that they were all dirty Reds & should have been nuked back into the trees.
I guess the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea are freedom lovers then..
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:
Dropbear said:so many americans seem to have a pathological fear of socialism, but most don’t understand the first thing about it.
They believe socialism & communism are identical.
Whereas neo-nazism is not really a problem.
They equate nationalism with patriotism.
dv said:
Dropbear said:
I’m sure most of them think the entirely of Scandinavia are living in some hellish communist nightmareThis is actually a bit of a meme among the alt-right: that Sweden in particular has gone to hell in a handbasket.
IF Sweden has gone to hell in a handbasket, then it would be because of the resurgence in nationalism and the alt-right..
Palpatine said:
Ironic
Dropbear said:
Tamb said:
Dropbear said:
I’m sure most of them think the entirely of Scandinavia are living in some hellish communist nightmare
Remember that USSR stood for The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics & that they were all dirty Reds & should have been nuked back into the trees.I guess the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea are freedom lovers then..
Tamb said:
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:They believe socialism & communism are identical.
Whereas neo-nazism is not really a problem.
They equate nationalism with patriotism.
And racism is worth a vote.
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:
sarahs mum said:Whereas neo-nazism is not really a problem.
They equate nationalism with patriotism.
And racism is worth a vote.
dv said:
Dropbear said:
I’m sure most of them think the entirely of Scandinavia are living in some hellish communist nightmareThis is actually a bit of a meme among the alt-right: that Sweden in particular has gone to hell in a handbasket.
It’s also not socialist, it has a market for profit economy albeit heavily taxed to provide generous entitlements.
AwesomeO said:
albeit heavily taxed to provide generous entitlements.
that sounds pretty socialist to me.
Dropbear said:
AwesomeO said:albeit heavily taxed to provide generous entitlements.
that sounds pretty socialist to me.
Not if it’s not owned by the workers it’s not.
AwesomeO said:
Dropbear said:
AwesomeO said:albeit heavily taxed to provide generous entitlements.
that sounds pretty socialist to me.
Not if it’s not owned by the workers it’s not.
Tamb said:
AwesomeO said:
Dropbear said:that sounds pretty socialist to me.
Not if it’s not owned by the workers it’s not.
True. Then it’s communism.
Known as the Nordic Model
Wiki said:
The Nordic model comprises the economic and social policies, as well as typical cultural practices, common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Norway, and Sweden). This includes a comprehensive welfare state and multi-level collective bargaining, with a high percentage of the workforce unionised, while being based on the economic foundations of free market capitalism. The Nordic model began to gain attention after World War II.
Tamb said:
AwesomeO said:
Dropbear said:that sounds pretty socialist to me.
Not if it’s not owned by the workers it’s not.
True. Then it’s communism.
No, socialism was the end state, communism was how to get there. The nordic states are market economies.
First para in wiki
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers’ self-management, as well as the political theories and movements associated with them. Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity. There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them, with social ownership being the common element shared by its various forms.
AwesomeO said:
dv said:
Dropbear said:
I’m sure most of them think the entirely of Scandinavia are living in some hellish communist nightmareThis is actually a bit of a meme among the alt-right: that Sweden in particular has gone to hell in a handbasket.
It’s also not socialist, it has a market for profit economy albeit heavily taxed to provide generous entitlements.
The endless cycle
seizing the means of production is Lenin-Marxism
“while being based on the economic foundations of free market capitalism”.
I believe in Regulated Capitalism . Can’t trust either the state nor big corporates to the right thing without corruption and dishonest dealing creeping in. So you make a sort of dynamic tension between them with the state constraining the private sector but not having much direct input or control into economic decision making, apart from a few nationalised natural monopolies.
dv said:
AwesomeO said:
dv said:This is actually a bit of a meme among the alt-right: that Sweden in particular has gone to hell in a handbasket.
It’s also not socialist, it has a market for profit economy albeit heavily taxed to provide generous entitlements.
The endless cycle
Good summary
party_pants said:
I believe in Regulated Capitalism . Can’t trust either the state nor big corporates to the right thing without corruption and dishonest dealing creeping in. So you make a sort of dynamic tension between them with the state constraining the private sector but not having much direct input or control into economic decision making, apart from a few nationalised natural monopolies.
In other words a benevolent dictator?
party_pants said:
I believe in Regulated Capitalism . Can’t trust either the state nor big corporates to the right thing without corruption and dishonest dealing creeping in. So you make a sort of dynamic tension between them with the state constraining the private sector but not having much direct input or control into economic decision making, apart from a few nationalised natural monopolies.
All countries with “capitalist” economies have regulated capitalism.
The “free market” is a myth.
The only debate is the degree and type of regulation.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I believe in Regulated Capitalism . Can’t trust either the state nor big corporates to the right thing without corruption and dishonest dealing creeping in. So you make a sort of dynamic tension between them with the state constraining the private sector but not having much direct input or control into economic decision making, apart from a few nationalised natural monopolies.
In other words a benevolent dictator?
Benevolent dictator is the grouse. I’d make a tops one.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I believe in Regulated Capitalism . Can’t trust either the state nor big corporates to the right thing without corruption and dishonest dealing creeping in. So you make a sort of dynamic tension between them with the state constraining the private sector but not having much direct input or control into economic decision making, apart from a few nationalised natural monopolies.
In other words a benevolent dictator?
I don’t see anything in p_p’s words implying a dictatorship, benevolent or otherwise.
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I believe in Regulated Capitalism . Can’t trust either the state nor big corporates to the right thing without corruption and dishonest dealing creeping in. So you make a sort of dynamic tension between them with the state constraining the private sector but not having much direct input or control into economic decision making, apart from a few nationalised natural monopolies.
In other words a benevolent dictator?
Benevolent dictator is the grouse. I’d make a tops one.
As would all members of this forum.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I believe in Regulated Capitalism . Can’t trust either the state nor big corporates to the right thing without corruption and dishonest dealing creeping in. So you make a sort of dynamic tension between them with the state constraining the private sector but not having much direct input or control into economic decision making, apart from a few nationalised natural monopolies.
In other words a benevolent dictator?
No. Democratic parliamentary democracies and all that, with a ban on corporate or union donations to political parties. Private individual donations only, possibly along with some form of tax-payer funding model for registered parties. I would prefer tax payer funding model over corporate cronyism and political capture.
Norway is an interesting example.. horrendously high taxation but a very equitable social security system.
You’d think it would be an extreme disincentive for anyone of wealth to live there.. but still.
I was reading about oil last week. It’s remarkable the havoc having money unleashes on poor countries. Usually end up with a big coddled but useless military, a top tier of society and everyone else who goes backwards and end up with less than they had before the country got rich.
Comedy of errors. Visited the IGA (which includes our PO) twice today, include much dealing with the post office. Now I’ve just a noticed a “you have a parcel waiting at the PO” card tucked into my front door handle by the postman who must have visited while I was out.
Bubblecar said:
Comedy of errors. Visited the IGA (which includes our PO) twice today, include much dealing with the post office. Now I’ve just a noticed a “you have a parcel waiting at the PO” card tucked into my front door handle by the postman who must have visited while I was out.
That was for chat, not Drumpf.
The Rev Dodgson said:
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:In other words a benevolent dictator?
Benevolent dictator is the grouse. I’d make a tops one.
As would all members of this forum.
Not all, I reckon some would be a bit blindfold up against the wall happy.
“The economy of Norway is a developed mixed economy with state-ownership in strategic area”
Which makes sense to me… nationalisation of critical or strategic parts of the economy and leave the rest up to regulated market.
A highly funded ICAC type group with sharp teeth to reduce corruption in nationalised industry
AwesomeO said:
I was reading about oil last week. It’s remarkable the havoc having money unleashes on poor countries. Usually end up with a big coddled but useless military, a top tier of society and everyone else who goes backwards and end up with less than they had before the country got rich.
“Brunei is about the size of Delaware, with a population of 415,000, and the government provides free education, health care, pensions and low-interest loans for the purchase of homes and cars. “
I mean sure, the Sultan is richer than Peak Warming Man, but still.. the rest are doing alright.
Dropbear said:
“The economy of Norway is a developed mixed economy with state-ownership in strategic area”Which makes sense to me… nationalisation of critical or strategic parts of the economy and leave the rest up to regulated market.
A highly funded ICAC type group with sharp teeth to reduce corruption in nationalised industry
Like owning a telecommunication function, a bank, and an airline.
AwesomeO said:
Not all, I reckon some would be a bit blindfold up against the wall happy.
blush..
(sly look)
AwesomeO said:
Dropbear said:
“The economy of Norway is a developed mixed economy with state-ownership in strategic area”Which makes sense to me… nationalisation of critical or strategic parts of the economy and leave the rest up to regulated market.
A highly funded ICAC type group with sharp teeth to reduce corruption in nationalised industry
Like owning a telecommunication function, a bank, and an airline.
not sure about an airline, but sure.. telecommunications, energy production…
nationalised banking makes me nervous
AwesomeO said:
I was reading about oil last week. It’s remarkable the havoc having money unleashes on poor countries. Usually end up with a big coddled but useless military, a top tier of society and everyone else who goes backwards and end up with less than they had before the country got rich.
The extractionist / elite economic model is a model for disaster in just about every country it has been tried. You have to make sure some of the wealth finds its way into the hands of the ordinary person in the street. Otherwise the place is fucked. The level of economic equality or inequality matters, but it is somewhere on a continuum, being at either extreme is a path to ruin. Gini coefficient of 0.3 for the win I reckon.
The danger of having a military that is any good is that some general will topple the corrupt leadership and become a new corrupt dictator themselves.
AwesomeO said:
I was reading about oil last week. It’s remarkable the havoc having money unleashes on poor countries. Usually end up with a big coddled but useless military, a top tier of society and everyone else who goes backwards and end up with less than they had before the country got rich.
It’s set up that way isn’t it so the wealth can be manipulated and stolen by a few and the military keeps the helpless population in line
Pence thinking about Trump
https://imgur.com/gallery/ihZCPJO
AwesomeO said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
AwesomeO said:Benevolent dictator is the grouse. I’d make a tops one.
As would all members of this forum.
Not all, I reckon some would be a bit blindfold up against the wall happy.
Tamb said:
AwesomeO said:
The Rev Dodgson said:As would all members of this forum.
Not all, I reckon some would be a bit blindfold up against the wall happy.
All things are relative so I’d be relatively benign.
You’d need to threaten or at least coerce some groups into cooperation and giving up some wealth to others which they wouldn’t like or do willingly and they might have military might to back them up. You’d really need to neutralise threats without killing anyone, hard to do.
Cymek said:
Tamb said:
AwesomeO said:Not all, I reckon some would be a bit blindfold up against the wall happy.
All things are relative so I’d be relatively benign.You’d need to threaten or at least coerce some groups into cooperation and giving up some wealth to others which they wouldn’t like or do willingly and they might have military might to back them up. You’d really need to neutralise threats without killing anyone, hard to do.
Dropbear said:
seizing the means of production is Lenin-Marxism
Trump likes to seize the means of production IYSWIM
dv said:
Dropbear said:
seizing the means of production is Lenin-MarxismTrump likes to seize the means of production IYSWIM
right in the kitty
dv said:
Dropbear said:
seizing the means of production is Lenin-MarxismTrump likes to seize the means of production IYSWIM
Hostile takeover
Cymek said:
dv said:
Dropbear said:
seizing the means of production is Lenin-MarxismTrump likes to seize the means of production IYSWIM
Hostile takeover
country leadership
Harpy eagles look disturbing
Trump’s ‘Civil War’ Quote Tweet Is Actually Grounds for Impeachment, Says Harvard Law Professor
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-civil-war-tweet-grounds-impeachment-1462044
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s ‘Civil War’ Quote Tweet Is Actually Grounds for Impeachment, Says Harvard Law Professorhttps://www.newsweek.com/trump-civil-war-tweet-grounds-impeachment-1462044
…mistake after mistake….
….after mistake…
COLBERT: “Now, if Trump’s defense seems scatter shot and chaotic, it’s because it is. The White House hasn’t developed a unified strategy yet. Instead, Trump is testing out different ways to push back to see what works. As one White House insider puts it, “There are different ways to bake the cake, depending on what sort of cake you want. Different flavoring, different temperatures, different ingredients yield different types of cake, and the president as the master baker is testing recipes and deciding what type of cake he wants.” Yes, Trump is holed up in the White House, furiously master baking … That’s what it says. I think that’s what “Executive time” is, just Trump alone in the room whipping the batter and somehow making frosting at the same time.”
-Lifted from the Washington Post.
sarahs mum said:
COLBERT: “Now, if Trump’s defense seems scatter shot and chaotic, it’s because it is. The White House hasn’t developed a unified strategy yet. Instead, Trump is testing out different ways to push back to see what works. As one White House insider puts it, “There are different ways to bake the cake, depending on what sort of cake you want. Different flavoring, different temperatures, different ingredients yield different types of cake, and the president as the master baker is testing recipes and deciding what type of cake he wants.” Yes, Trump is holed up in the White House, furiously master baking … That’s what it says. I think that’s what “Executive time” is, just Trump alone in the room whipping the batter and somehow making frosting at the same time.”-Lifted from the Washington Post.
Rather than whipping his batters, he should concentrate on his cowling and fielding.
It would be interesting to know what our foreign affairs people say to Morrison about Trump.
——
The Finnish President Looking ‘Finished’ With Trump Is Twitter’s Newest Meme
Finnish President Sauli Niinistö has joined the long list of people who have witnessed a Trump meltdown firsthand.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/finnish-president-donald-trump-finland-meme_n_5d9522a4e4b02911e11561d0?ri18n=true
sarahs mum said:
It would be interesting to know what our foreign affairs people say to Morrison about Trump.——
The Finnish President Looking ‘Finished’ With Trump Is Twitter’s Newest Meme
Finnish President Sauli Niinistö has joined the long list of people who have witnessed a Trump meltdown firsthand.https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/finnish-president-donald-trump-finland-meme_n_5d9522a4e4b02911e11561d0?ri18n=true
At the beginning of the joint news conference, when Trump made a joke about “all the press that you attract,” Niinistö was quick to reply: “They are not after me.”
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_100119/
Among all Republicans, though, just 40% believe that Trump mentioned the investigation during the call. This number goes up only to 50% among Republicans who have heard a lot about the call. Nearly 3-in-10 of all Republicans (29%) as well as the subset of Republicans who have heard a lot about the call (29%) say the investigation into Biden was probably not mentioned by Trump. “At the very least, it is clear from the readout that Trump discussed investigating Biden during the call. Even though this information was released by the White House itself, more than one quarter of Republicans still say Trump probably didn’t make any mention of it. This seems to be another example of partisan tribalism at work in public opinion,” said Murray.
Think about that.
The transcript that the White House released contains reference to the Biden investigation. Only 4 and 10 Republians “believe” that the Biden investigation was mentioned during the phone call.
dv said:
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_100119/Among all Republicans, though, just 40% believe that Trump mentioned the investigation during the call. This number goes up only to 50% among Republicans who have heard a lot about the call. Nearly 3-in-10 of all Republicans (29%) as well as the subset of Republicans who have heard a lot about the call (29%) say the investigation into Biden was probably not mentioned by Trump. “At the very least, it is clear from the readout that Trump discussed investigating Biden during the call. Even though this information was released by the White House itself, more than one quarter of Republicans still say Trump probably didn’t make any mention of it. This seems to be another example of partisan tribalism at work in public opinion,” said Murray.Think about that.
The transcript that the White House released contains reference to the Biden investigation. Only 4 and 10 Republians “believe” that the Biden investigation was mentioned during the phone call.
It isn’t the last gasp of the nasties.
It gets worse by the day.
dv said:
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_100119/Among all Republicans, though, just 40% believe that Trump mentioned the investigation during the call. This number goes up only to 50% among Republicans who have heard a lot about the call. Nearly 3-in-10 of all Republicans (29%) as well as the subset of Republicans who have heard a lot about the call (29%) say the investigation into Biden was probably not mentioned by Trump. “At the very least, it is clear from the readout that Trump discussed investigating Biden during the call. Even though this information was released by the White House itself, more than one quarter of Republicans still say Trump probably didn’t make any mention of it. This seems to be another example of partisan tribalism at work in public opinion,” said Murray.Think about that.
The transcript that the White House released contains reference to the Biden investigation. Only 4 and 10 Republians “believe” that the Biden investigation was mentioned during the phone call.
I thought about it. Not everyone has read the transcript?
11. Have you heard anything about recent reports that Donald Trump asked the Ukrainian president to investigate Joe Biden and his son, or haven’t you heard about this?
13.Do you think Donald Trump probably did or probably did not mention the possibility of an investigation into the Biden family during his conversation with the Ukrainian president?
AwesomeO said:
I thought about it. Not everyone has read the transcript?
Fair enough, but (shrugs) It’s been pretty widely reported, even on Fox News.
“If I were the president, I would certainly recommend that of Ukraine.”
Trump: Ukraine And China ‘Should Investigate’ The Bidens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M0NZIHUAWQ
sarahs mum said:
“If I were the president, I would certainly recommend that of Ukraine.”Trump: Ukraine And China ‘Should Investigate’ The Bidens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M0NZIHUAWQ
How long has he been president now?
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
“If I were the president, I would certainly recommend that of Ukraine.”Trump: Ukraine And China ‘Should Investigate’ The Bidens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M0NZIHUAWQ
How long has he been president now?
A trillion years I think
This Political Theorist Predicted the Rise of Trumpism. His Name Was Hunter S. Thompson.
In Hell’s Angels, the gonzo journalist wrote about left-behind people motivated only by “an ethic of total retaliation.” Sound familiar?
2016
https://www.thenation.com/article/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/
sarahs mum said:
This Political Theorist Predicted the Rise of Trumpism. His Name Was Hunter S. Thompson.
In Hell’s Angels, the gonzo journalist wrote about left-behind people motivated only by “an ethic of total retaliation.” Sound familiar?
2016https://www.thenation.com/article/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/
Trump voters are much wealthier than average. They haven’t been “left behind”.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
This Political Theorist Predicted the Rise of Trumpism. His Name Was Hunter S. Thompson.
In Hell’s Angels, the gonzo journalist wrote about left-behind people motivated only by “an ethic of total retaliation.” Sound familiar?
2016https://www.thenation.com/article/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/
Trump voters are much wealthier than average. They haven’t been “left behind”.
but the rust belters?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
This Political Theorist Predicted the Rise of Trumpism. His Name Was Hunter S. Thompson.
In Hell’s Angels, the gonzo journalist wrote about left-behind people motivated only by “an ethic of total retaliation.” Sound familiar?
2016https://www.thenation.com/article/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/
Trump voters are much wealthier than average. They haven’t been “left behind”.
Wot, all of them?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
This Political Theorist Predicted the Rise of Trumpism. His Name Was Hunter S. Thompson.
In Hell’s Angels, the gonzo journalist wrote about left-behind people motivated only by “an ethic of total retaliation.” Sound familiar?
2016https://www.thenation.com/article/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/
Trump voters are much wealthier than average. They haven’t been “left behind”.
but the rust belters?
Did great under Obama. Higher incomes, lower unemployment.
dv said:
Did great under Obama. Higher incomes, lower unemployment.
but her emails.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
This Political Theorist Predicted the Rise of Trumpism. His Name Was Hunter S. Thompson.
In Hell’s Angels, the gonzo journalist wrote about left-behind people motivated only by “an ethic of total retaliation.” Sound familiar?
2016https://www.thenation.com/article/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/
Trump voters are much wealthier than average. They haven’t been “left behind”.
Wot, all of them?
No, but in this case we are analysing in terms of mass trends, rather than every individual. People on less than $50k overwhelmingly went for Clinton.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Trump voters are much wealthier than average. They haven’t been “left behind”.
Wot, all of them?
No, but in this case we are analysing in terms of mass trends, rather than every individual. People on less than $50k overwhelmingly went for Clinton.
OK, thanks.
Probably you’ve told us that before, but it didn’t sink in.
Armed Militias Are Taking Trump’s Civil War Tweets Seriously
https://www.lawfareblog.com/armed-militias-are-taking-trumps-civil-war-tweets-seriously
Trump’s Tweet About Civil War Was Just What the Far Right Oath Keepers Wanted to Hear
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/10/civil-war-oath-keepers-trump/
The second whistleblower is from the IRS.
.
‘Tom Hamburger, national security reporter for the Washington Post, talks about what is known about an IRS whistleblower who has raised alarm that audits of Donald Trump or Mike Pence’s taxes, which should be insulated from politics, have been subject to pressure from a Treasury Department political appointee.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_cdtGhPyk
sarahs mum said:
The second whistleblower is from the IRS.
.
‘Tom Hamburger, national security reporter for the Washington Post, talks about what is known about an IRS whistleblower who has raised alarm that audits of Donald Trump or Mike Pence’s taxes, which should be insulated from politics, have been subject to pressure from a Treasury Department political appointee.’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_cdtGhPyk
That doesn’t sound like what you probably intended. Sounds like treasury trying to audit Trumps or Pences taxes, or in other words, it’s not critical of trump.
AwesomeO said:
sarahs mum said:
The second whistleblower is from the IRS.
.
‘Tom Hamburger, national security reporter for the Washington Post, talks about what is known about an IRS whistleblower who has raised alarm that audits of Donald Trump or Mike Pence’s taxes, which should be insulated from politics, have been subject to pressure from a Treasury Department political appointee.’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_cdtGhPyk
That doesn’t sound like what you probably intended. Sounds like treasury trying to audit Trumps or Pences taxes, or in other words, it’s not critical of trump.
I don’t follow.
Witty Rejoinder said:
AwesomeO said:
sarahs mum said:
The second whistleblower is from the IRS.
.
‘Tom Hamburger, national security reporter for the Washington Post, talks about what is known about an IRS whistleblower who has raised alarm that audits of Donald Trump or Mike Pence’s taxes, which should be insulated from politics, have been subject to pressure from a Treasury Department political appointee.’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_cdtGhPyk
That doesn’t sound like what you probably intended. Sounds like treasury trying to audit Trumps or Pences taxes, or in other words, it’s not critical of trump.
I don’t follow.
Just going from that paragraph, “that audits of Donald Trump or Mike Pence’s taxes, which should be insulated from politics, have been subject to pressure from a Treasury Department political appointee.”
AwesomeO said:
sarahs mum said:
The second whistleblower is from the IRS.
.
‘Tom Hamburger, national security reporter for the Washington Post, talks about what is known about an IRS whistleblower who has raised alarm that audits of Donald Trump or Mike Pence’s taxes, which should be insulated from politics, have been subject to pressure from a Treasury Department political appointee.’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_cdtGhPyk
That doesn’t sound like what you probably intended. Sounds like treasury trying to audit Trumps or Pences taxes, or in other words, it’s not critical of trump.
I can’t see it not being Trump. But the Washington Post is going with either/or.
AwesomeO said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
AwesomeO said:That doesn’t sound like what you probably intended. Sounds like treasury trying to audit Trumps or Pences taxes, or in other words, it’s not critical of trump.
I don’t follow.
Just going from that paragraph, “that audits of Donald Trump or Mike Pence’s taxes, which should be insulated from politics, have been subject to pressure from a Treasury Department political appointee.”
I think the implication is that a Trump appointee is interfering in the audit process in order to advantage Trump and Pence.
Witty Rejoinder said:
AwesomeO said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I don’t follow.
Just going from that paragraph, “that audits of Donald Trump or Mike Pence’s taxes, which should be insulated from politics, have been subject to pressure from a Treasury Department political appointee.”
I think the implication is that a Trump appointee is interfering in the audit process in order to advantage Trump and Pence.
Well, yeah, that’s the import of the description. But, the description, as expressed, could be read that a political appointee (not necessarily a friend of Trump’s) is applying pressure to have the Trump/Pence tax info made public to embarrass them. This would be as reprehensible as Trump and Pence trying to ‘cover up’ their tax info/dodginess.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
AwesomeO said:Just going from that paragraph, “that audits of Donald Trump or Mike Pence’s taxes, which should be insulated from politics, have been subject to pressure from a Treasury Department political appointee.”
I think the implication is that a Trump appointee is interfering in the audit process in order to advantage Trump and Pence.
Well, yeah, that’s the import of the description. But, the description, as expressed, could be read that a political appointee (not necessarily a friend of Trump’s) is applying pressure to have the Trump/Pence tax info made public to embarrass them. This would be as reprehensible as Trump and Pence trying to ‘cover up’ their tax info/dodginess.
Okay I get ya.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
AwesomeO said:Just going from that paragraph, “that audits of Donald Trump or Mike Pence’s taxes, which should be insulated from politics, have been subject to pressure from a Treasury Department political appointee.”
I think the implication is that a Trump appointee is interfering in the audit process in order to advantage Trump and Pence.
Well, yeah, that’s the import of the description. But, the description, as expressed, could be read that a political appointee (not necessarily a friend of Trump’s) is applying pressure to have the Trump/Pence tax info made public to embarrass them. This would be as reprehensible as Trump and Pence trying to ‘cover up’ their tax info/dodginess.
That’s not much of a whistleblower stance.
sarahs mum said:
That’s not much of a whistleblower stance.
He’s not so much ‘blowing the whistle’ on Trump and Pence themselves, but on the shenanigans of people in the Trump camp who are trying to pressure govt departments to do things that are of political benefit to Trump.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:That’s not much of a whistleblower stance.
He’s not so much ‘blowing the whistle’ on Trump and Pence themselves, but on the shenanigans of people in the Trump camp who are trying to pressure govt departments to do things that are of political benefit to Trump.
Ah. We’ll see what he says to Congress.
‘White House ordered to turn over documents to support Donald Trump impeachment probe’ – ABC News
‘“We deeply regret that President Trump has put us — and the nation — in this position, but his actions have left us with no choice but to issue this subpoena.”
You know, any of these items would be “explosive news” in any other era…
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/us-envoys-trump-ukraine-investigate/index.html
Damning text messages detail Trump pressure on Ukraine
Text messages released on Thursday between US diplomats and a senior Ukrainian aide show how a potential Ukrainian investigation into the 2016 election was linked to a desired meeting between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and US President Donald Trump.
This is basically an explicit statement of quid pro quo
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/04/politics/pompeo-subpoena-ukraine-documents/index.html
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Friday failed to meet a subpoena deadline from the House to produce Ukraine-related documents.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/04/politics/pentagon-preserves-ukraine-records/index.html
Pentagon orders the preservation of all records relating to Ukraine Amid the ongoing impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump and his administration’s actions regarding Ukraine, the Pentagon’s chief legal officer has requested that Defense Department agencies identify, preserve and collect any and all documents relating to the provision of security assistance to Kiev. “I write to request your assistance and cooperation in identifying, preserving, and collecting documents and other records regarding the (Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative) and in responding to anticipated requests for such materials,” Paul Ney, the General Counsel of the Department of Defense, wrote in a memo Thursday to various agencies and services within the Pentagon.
I understand there is a 2nd whistleblower on the Ukraine matter (aside from the IRS whistleblower.)
This one is someone who was actually there rather than someone who heard someone say.
Do I get the feeling Pence is implied?
What happens if both Trump and Pence go?
I was all up to date with misdeeds of the Trumpster 24 hrs ago but I bin busy.
I’ll have a read of the latest later.. I spose it’s all bad and baderer.
sarahs mum said:
I understand there is a 2nd whistleblower on the Ukraine matter (aside from the IRS whistleblower.)
This one is someone who was actually there rather than someone who heard someone say.Do I get the feeling Pence is implied?
What happens if both Trump and Pence go?
Would it be funny if Pence gets done but Trump gets away with it?
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
I understand there is a 2nd whistleblower on the Ukraine matter (aside from the IRS whistleblower.)
This one is someone who was actually there rather than someone who heard someone say.Do I get the feeling Pence is implied?
What happens if both Trump and Pence go?
Would it be funny if Pence gets done but Trump gets away with it?
Wouldn’t necessarily surprise me.
I wonder whom Cunt would select as a replacement Vice President. Maybe Rudi.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
I understand there is a 2nd whistleblower on the Ukraine matter (aside from the IRS whistleblower.)
This one is someone who was actually there rather than someone who heard someone say.Do I get the feeling Pence is implied?
What happens if both Trump and Pence go?
Would it be funny if Pence gets done but Trump gets away with it?
Wouldn’t necessarily surprise me.
I wonder whom Cunt would select as a replacement Vice President. Maybe Rudi.
Pence isn’t as protected…
dv said:
Well Soros as a child was persecuted by Nazis so they’re half right.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Well Soros as a child was persecuted by Nazis so they’re half right.
Soros does seem to be a strange person to pick on as being a Nazi, but to be fair to the people of the USA, based on the quoted sample, only 25% of them actually make this allegation.
dv said:
That last poster was Barbara.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
That last poster was Barbara.
THAT Barbara?
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
That last poster was Barbara.
THAT Barbara?
It certainly read like one of her posts.
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
sarahs mum said:That last poster was Barbara.
THAT Barbara?
It certainly read like one of her posts.
It does…..she gets so excited.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
That last poster was Barbara.
Heard some crazy shit from Trumpists but the notion that Soros, a Jew who lost a bunch of relatives in the Holocaust, was a Nazi probably takes the cake.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
That last poster was Barbara.
Heard some crazy shit from Trumpists but the notion that Soros, a Jew who lost a bunch of relatives in the Holocaust, was a Nazi probably takes the cake.
went here..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros
now here..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper
The paradox of tolerance
Main article: Paradox of tolerance
Although Popper was an advocate of toleration, he also warned against unlimited tolerance. In The Open Society and Its Enemies, he argued:
“..Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal…”might interest dropbear^
The Democrats have very little to counter Trump. If either of their top runners were elected they would be soon in their eighties and might not even last long enough to contest a reelection. Not the sort of thing that would attract voters.
Trump promised Xi US silence on Hong Kong democracy protests as trade talks stalled
During a private phone call in June, President Donald Trump promised Chinese President Xi Jinping that the US would remain quiet on pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong while trade talks continued, two sources familiar with the call tell CNN.The remarkable pledge to the Chinese leader is a dramatic departure from decades of US support for human rights in China and shows just how eager Trump is to strike a deal with Beijing as the trade war weighs on the US economy.
Giuliani tweets criminal evidence
Trump’s lawyer is locked in a fight with Trump’s State Department, which Trump’s lawyer tried to win by tweeting incriminating evidence against Trump.
The State Department said that Rudy Giuliani’s claim that he was on a mission for them was false, so Rudy responded with a tweet:
The problem is that the tweet confirms, not that Rudy Giuliani was asked by the State Department to go to Ukraine, but that Trump roped in State Department officials in conspiracy with Giuliani to get dirt on Biden.
Rudy doesn’t seem to understand that he is making things worse for Trump:
“The remarkable pledge to the Chinese leader is a dramatic departure from decades of US support for human rights in China and shows just how eager Trump is to strike a deal with Beijing as the trade war weighs on the US economy.”
Sounds like big state business as usual. Human rights never rates highly when negotiations are being made.
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/10/07/politics/trump-tax-returns-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F
TRUMP LOSES RULING ON TAXES
New York (CNN) — A federal judge on Monday dismissed a lawsuit brought by President Donald Trump to block a subpoena for eight years of his tax returns, rejecting the President’s “extraordinary” claim that any occupant of the White House enjoys “absolute immunity from criminal process of any kind.”
Describing Trump’s argument as a “categorical and limitless assertion of Presidential immunity,” US District Court Judge Victor Marrero wrote in an opinion that it “would constitute an overreach of executive power.”
Trump brought the lawsuit after the Manhattan district attorney’s office subpoenaed his longtime accounting firm for his tax returns.
dv said:
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/10/07/politics/trump-tax-returns-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2FTRUMP LOSES RULING ON TAXES
New York (CNN) — A federal judge on Monday dismissed a lawsuit brought by President Donald Trump to block a subpoena for eight years of his tax returns, rejecting the President’s “extraordinary” claim that any occupant of the White House enjoys “absolute immunity from criminal process of any kind.”
Describing Trump’s argument as a “categorical and limitless assertion of Presidential immunity,” US District Court Judge Victor Marrero wrote in an opinion that it “would constitute an overreach of executive power.”
Trump brought the lawsuit after the Manhattan district attorney’s office subpoenaed his longtime accounting firm for his tax returns.
Had to go down that way.
said in a 75-page opinion that such a position “would constitute an overreach of executive power.”
It will be interesting to see how DJT responds once he reads that report jk he’s illiterate
“In his opinion, Marrero allowed that some aspects of the criminal process could impede a President’s ability to perform his duties. “Certainly lengthy imprisonment upon conviction would produce that result,” he wrote.”
rofl
Some folks are raising the prospect that the impeachment inquiry will aid DJT in the election, pointing to Clinton as an example.
Impeaching Clinton never had this level of popular support.
A majority of Americans (51-44) already support the impeachment inquiry, and a plurality (46-45) support impeachment AND removal.
For Clinton at the same stage, support for impeachment was 44-53. Support for impeachment and removal was 31-63%. The public never favoured impeaching Clinton like they favour impeaching Trump.
I would suppose this is because a) the Clinton impeachment was not on a serious matter affecting national security and b) Clinton was a popular president. At the time his impeachment inquiry commenced, his approval level was 64%, compared to Trump’s 41%.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/04/politics/trump-impeachment-polling/index.html
Monica Lewinsky offered to “take one for (the) team” and perform oral sex in order to get President Donald Trump impeached.
Rating
False
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/monica-lewinsky-trump-tweet/
sarahs mum said:
Monica Lewinsky offered to “take one for (the) team” and perform oral sex in order to get President Donald Trump impeached.
Rating
Falsehttps://www.snopes.com/fact-check/monica-lewinsky-trump-tweet/
You would think that in all the turmoil, all the fuss an bother that the psychiatric community would have made some comment but nothing, they’ve said nothing and yet Elizabeth Warren continues to think she’s an Indian.
shakes head
Peak Warming Man said:
You would think that in all the turmoil, all the fuss an bother that the psychiatric community would have made some comment but nothing, they’ve said nothing and yet Elizabeth Warren continues to think she’s an Indian.
shakes head
Weak effort.
Must try harder.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
You would think that in all the turmoil, all the fuss an bother that the psychiatric community would have made some comment but nothing, they’ve said nothing and yet Elizabeth Warren continues to think she’s an Indian.
shakes head
Weak effort.
Must try harder.
Don’t judge me, it’s hot, I was pressed for time……………….under pressure……………………I’m always under pressure……………..you don’t understand……………….you were probably breast fed…………………..
How is the stable genius going these days ? ;)
Peak Warming Man said:
….you were probably beast fed…………………..
WHAT????
Dropbear said:
How is the stable genius going these days ? ;)
his brain has bolted.
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:
….you were probably beast fed…………………..
WHAT????
He’s right, beasts have formed part of my diet.
I’m a bit surprised PWM is a vegan though.
Apparently his wisdom is great and unmatched…
furious said:
- How is the stable genius going these days ? ;)
Apparently his wisdom is great and unmatched…
I wish someone would read him different bedtime stories.
Dropbear said:
How is the stable genius going these days ? ;)
Fantastic, according to him.
Even seen like five guys simultaneously try to throw each other under a bus?
furious said:
- How is the stable genius going these days ? ;)
Apparently his wisdom is great and unmatched…
he’s destroyed economies before, as well….
the first bit of self awareness that he’s shown
Dropbear said:
furious said:
- How is the stable genius going these days ? ;)
Apparently his wisdom is great and unmatched…
he’s destroyed economies before, as well….
the first bit of self awareness that he’s shown
Stop stealing my material!!!
In fairness, Trump’s best pals are telling him that bailing out and leaving allies to die is probably bad form…
Fox’n‘Friends Host Kilmead on Syria move: Are you kidding me?
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/media/2019/10/07/fox-news-trump-syria-troops-lead-vpx.cnn
Trump’s former ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, says Trump’s Syria decision means leaving US allies ‘to die’
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/07/politics/nikki-haley-donald-trump-syria-troops-brett-mcgurk/index.html
Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, warn Trump about leaving the region for Russia, Iran and Assad
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/07/politics/mitch-mcconnell-republican-response-syria-kurds/index.html
They’re allies with Turkey though aren’t they? And according to the Turks, the Kurds are in the Whey.
dv said:
In fairness, Trump’s best pals are telling him that bailing out and leaving allies to die is probably bad form…Fox’n‘Friends Host Kilmead on Syria move: Are you kidding me?
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/media/2019/10/07/fox-news-trump-syria-troops-lead-vpx.cnnTrump’s former ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, says Trump’s Syria decision means leaving US allies ‘to die’
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/07/politics/nikki-haley-donald-trump-syria-troops-brett-mcgurk/index.htmlMitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, warn Trump about leaving the region for Russia, Iran and Assad
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/07/politics/mitch-mcconnell-republican-response-syria-kurds/index.html
The Yanks have done it before though
Dropbear said:
They’re allies with Turkey though aren’t they? And according to the Turks, the Kurds are in the Whey.
You bin hangin wit Boris?
Dropbear said:
They’re allies with Turkey though aren’t they? And according to the Turks, the Kurds are in the Whey.
Ha!
:)
we should put in a bid to buy up Turkey’s allocation of F-35s. They definitely won’t be getting any of them now, so we might get them for a bargain.
party_pants said:
we should put in a bid to buy up Turkey’s allocation of F-35s. They definitely won’t be getting any of them now, so we might get them for a bargain.
I wonder how they perform in combat, you kind of have to say they are great with all the money spent on them.
Could be outclassed by Russia and China new jets
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
we should put in a bid to buy up Turkey’s allocation of F-35s. They definitely won’t be getting any of them now, so we might get them for a bargain.
I wonder how they perform in combat, you kind of have to say they are great with all the money spent on them.
Could be outclassed by Russia and China new jets
They are not dog-fighters, they are built for using long range missiles and shooting things down long before the target detects them. Russian and Chinese stealth fighters would suffer from the same constraints of combining stealth with agility. The Chinese can’t make the engines yet that their stealthy looking airframe needs. Add to that we’ve the pretty good airborne radar to back them up.

kii said:
Maybe the General meant “We don’t have the ammunition to get you impeached”…………………. yet.
Kind of off subject: Why do they call them dog fights? I would think a bird analogy would be more fitting. Perhaps, cock fight would be more apt. Particularly as the participants are in cockpits for the duration…
furious said:
- They are not dog-fighters
Kind of off subject: Why do they call them dog fights? I would think a bird analogy would be more fitting. Perhaps, cock fight would be more apt. Particularly as the participants are in cockpits for the duration…
furious said:
- They are not dog-fighters
Kind of off subject: Why do they call them dog fights? I would think a bird analogy would be more fitting. Perhaps, cock fight would be more apt. Particularly as the participants are in cockpits for the duration…
have you ever seen dogs fight?? big ball of snarling swirling dogs… just like planes in a fight
Dropbear said:
furious said:
- They are not dog-fighters
Kind of off subject: Why do they call them dog fights? I would think a bird analogy would be more fitting. Perhaps, cock fight would be more apt. Particularly as the participants are in cockpits for the duration…
have you ever seen dogs fight?? big ball of snarling swirling dogs… just like planes in a fight
Tamb said:
Dropbear said:
furious said:
- They are not dog-fighters
Kind of off subject: Why do they call them dog fights? I would think a bird analogy would be more fitting. Perhaps, cock fight would be more apt. Particularly as the participants are in cockpits for the duration…
have you ever seen dogs fight?? big ball of snarling swirling dogs… just like planes in a fight
Correct. As I posted a little while ago.
I was catching up. mea maxima culpa
Dropbear said:
Tamb said:
Dropbear said:have you ever seen dogs fight?? big ball of snarling swirling dogs… just like planes in a fight
Correct. As I posted a little while ago.I was catching up. mea maxima culpa
You honestly have to wonder what senior state department officials must think every day they wake up… “what shit storm do I have to fix today”
Dropbear said:
You honestly have to wonder what senior state department officials must think every day they wake up… “what shit storm do I have to fix today”
Maybe they like the excitement.
Michael Tracey calls out Pelosi’s double standard on impeachment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdZxXClhDjA
An alternate left wing view of the current kerfuffle.
sibeen said:
Michael Tracey calls out Pelosi’s double standard on impeachmenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdZxXClhDjA
An alternate left wing view of the current kerfuffle.
Krystal Ball? Her real name? Oh.
She says Nixon never got done for for interfering in the peace process and hundred of thousands dead because of it. He should have been. My opinion.
*listens some more.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:Michael Tracey calls out Pelosi’s double standard on impeachmenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdZxXClhDjA
An alternate left wing view of the current kerfuffle.
Krystal Ball? Her real name? Oh.
She says Nixon never got done for for interfering in the peace process and hundred of thousands dead because of it. He should have been. My opinion.
*listens some more.
One does wonder about Western leaders decisions to get involved in dubious wars and conflicts that leave thousands dead, if they were a foreign leader they’d be war criminals.
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:Michael Tracey calls out Pelosi’s double standard on impeachmenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdZxXClhDjA
An alternate left wing view of the current kerfuffle.
Krystal Ball? Her real name? Oh.
She says Nixon never got done for for interfering in the peace process and hundred of thousands dead because of it. He should have been. My opinion.
*listens some more.
One does wonder about Western leaders decisions to get involved in dubious wars and conflicts that leave thousands dead, if they were a foreign leader they’d be war criminals.
WWI is a horrible example of getting away with it.
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:Michael Tracey calls out Pelosi’s double standard on impeachmenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdZxXClhDjA
An alternate left wing view of the current kerfuffle.
Krystal Ball? Her real name? Oh.
She says Nixon never got done for for interfering in the peace process and hundred of thousands dead because of it. He should have been. My opinion.
*listens some more.
One does wonder about Western leaders decisions to get involved in dubious wars and conflicts that leave thousands dead, if they were a foreign leader they’d be war criminals.
Nixon did it while a candidate.
The White House has ordered EU Ambassador Gordon Sondland, a key witness in the Ukraine scandal, not to testify in the hearings.
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-08-2019/index.html
President Trump tweeted that if he allowed EU Ambassador Gordon Sondland to testify today, it would be in front of a “a totally compromised kangaroo court.”
This comes after reports that the White House is blocking Sondland from testifying today in the impeachment inquiry.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-impeachment-58-percent-americans-twitter-trends-washington-post-poll-1463822
Support for the Impeachment Inquiry
58% Yes
38% No
4% Dunno
Remarkably low “Dunno”. People have opinions on this…
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-impeachment-58-percent-americans-twitter-trends-washington-post-poll-1463822Support for the Impeachment Inquiry
58% Yes
38% No
4% DunnoRemarkably low “Dunno”. People have opinions on this…
I think the only way I could justify a No is by thinking US Presidents do a lot a lot of shit. And Trump is carrying on some sort of tradition and is just being shittier.
In a few weeks there will be State elections in five US states which might be a useful indication of how things are going for the major parties. They’ll be important in their own right, as in the US the Federal electoral boundaries are determined by the state governments. Kentucky and Mississippi currently have Republican trifectas (ie House, Senate and Governor are held by one party), and New Jersey has a Democratic trifecta.
Bold, in this table, indicates elections that will be held this year. e.g in NJ, the House election will be held, but not the Gubernatorial or Senate elections.

sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-impeachment-58-percent-americans-twitter-trends-washington-post-poll-1463822Support for the Impeachment Inquiry
58% Yes
38% No
4% DunnoRemarkably low “Dunno”. People have opinions on this…
I think the only way I could justify a No is by thinking US Presidents do a lot a lot of shit. And Trump is carrying on some sort of tradition and is just being shittier.
he may be a fraud, stupid, arrogant, a womaniser, a adulterer, a liar and a bankrupt, but by god he is not socialist.

Dropbear said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-impeachment-58-percent-americans-twitter-trends-washington-post-poll-1463822Support for the Impeachment Inquiry
58% Yes
38% No
4% DunnoRemarkably low “Dunno”. People have opinions on this…
I think the only way I could justify a No is by thinking US Presidents do a lot a lot of shit. And Trump is carrying on some sort of tradition and is just being shittier.
he may be a fraud, stupid, arrogant, a womaniser, a adulterer, a liar and a bankrupt, but by god he is not socialist.
Don’t wait for me.
I’m just going to watch to the end of this video.
538’s impeachment poll tracker.
The Trump administration is expected to soon announce that it plans to exit the “Open Skies” treaty, a US official tells CNN, a move that has already drawn condemnation from Democrats in Congress.
The treaty, which was signed in 1992 and went into effect in 2002, allows 34 member states to conduct unarmed surveillance flights over one another’s territories. According to the State Department, the treaty “is designed to enhance mutual understanding and confidence by giving all participants, regardless of size, a direct role in gathering information through aerial imaging on military forces and activities of concern to them.”
“Pulling out of the Open Skies Treaty, an important multilateral arms control agreement, would be yet another gift from the Trump Administration to (Russian President Vladimir) Putin,” the top Democrats on the House Foreign Affairs, House Armed Services, Senate Armed Services and Senate Foreign Relations committees wrote in a letter to Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
“Not only is there no case for withdrawal on the grounds of national security, there has been no consultation with the Congress or with our allies about this consequential decision. Any action by this administration to withdraw from critical international treaties without the approval of the Senate is deeply concerning,” wrote Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Rep. Eliot Engel of New York and Rep. Adam Smith of Washington state.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/08/politics/trump-open-skies-treaty-exit/index.html
FMD
Washington (CNN)The Trump administration argued Tuesday that courts would make a different decision today than 45 years ago when a federal judge gave Congress a secret grand jury report on evidence in the Watergate scandal — prompting the current top judge in Washington’s federal court to exclaim, “Wow.”
The exchange may be one of the most important moments so far in court since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump two weeks ago.
The issue of the judicial branch’s powers and history came to a head near the end of a ferocious, more than two-hour hearing before Chief Judge Beryl Howell of the US District Court in Washington on Tuesday
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/08/politics/nixon-judge-sirica-impeachment-beryl-howell/index.html
dv said:
The Trump administration is expected to soon announce that it plans to exit the “Open Skies” treaty, a US official tells CNN, a move that has already drawn condemnation from Democrats in Congress.The treaty, which was signed in 1992 and went into effect in 2002, allows 34 member states to conduct unarmed surveillance flights over one another’s territories. According to the State Department, the treaty “is designed to enhance mutual understanding and confidence by giving all participants, regardless of size, a direct role in gathering information through aerial imaging on military forces and activities of concern to them.”
“Pulling out of the Open Skies Treaty, an important multilateral arms control agreement, would be yet another gift from the Trump Administration to (Russian President Vladimir) Putin,” the top Democrats on the House Foreign Affairs, House Armed Services, Senate Armed Services and Senate Foreign Relations committees wrote in a letter to Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
“Not only is there no case for withdrawal on the grounds of national security, there has been no consultation with the Congress or with our allies about this consequential decision. Any action by this administration to withdraw from critical international treaties without the approval of the Senate is deeply concerning,” wrote Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Rep. Eliot Engel of New York and Rep. Adam Smith of Washington state.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/08/politics/trump-open-skies-treaty-exit/index.html
Shakes head.
Michael V said:
dv said:
The Trump administration is expected to soon announce that it plans to exit the “Open Skies” treaty, a US official tells CNN, a move that has already drawn condemnation from Democrats in Congress.The treaty, which was signed in 1992 and went into effect in 2002, allows 34 member states to conduct unarmed surveillance flights over one another’s territories. According to the State Department, the treaty “is designed to enhance mutual understanding and confidence by giving all participants, regardless of size, a direct role in gathering information through aerial imaging on military forces and activities of concern to them.”
“Pulling out of the Open Skies Treaty, an important multilateral arms control agreement, would be yet another gift from the Trump Administration to (Russian President Vladimir) Putin,” the top Democrats on the House Foreign Affairs, House Armed Services, Senate Armed Services and Senate Foreign Relations committees wrote in a letter to Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
“Not only is there no case for withdrawal on the grounds of national security, there has been no consultation with the Congress or with our allies about this consequential decision. Any action by this administration to withdraw from critical international treaties without the approval of the Senate is deeply concerning,” wrote Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Rep. Eliot Engel of New York and Rep. Adam Smith of Washington state.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/08/politics/trump-open-skies-treaty-exit/index.html
Shakes head.
Giving one person so much power is quite stupid
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
The Trump administration is expected to soon announce that it plans to exit the “Open Skies” treaty, a US official tells CNN, a move that has already drawn condemnation from Democrats in Congress.The treaty, which was signed in 1992 and went into effect in 2002, allows 34 member states to conduct unarmed surveillance flights over one another’s territories. According to the State Department, the treaty “is designed to enhance mutual understanding and confidence by giving all participants, regardless of size, a direct role in gathering information through aerial imaging on military forces and activities of concern to them.”
“Pulling out of the Open Skies Treaty, an important multilateral arms control agreement, would be yet another gift from the Trump Administration to (Russian President Vladimir) Putin,” the top Democrats on the House Foreign Affairs, House Armed Services, Senate Armed Services and Senate Foreign Relations committees wrote in a letter to Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
“Not only is there no case for withdrawal on the grounds of national security, there has been no consultation with the Congress or with our allies about this consequential decision. Any action by this administration to withdraw from critical international treaties without the approval of the Senate is deeply concerning,” wrote Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Rep. Eliot Engel of New York and Rep. Adam Smith of Washington state.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/08/politics/trump-open-skies-treaty-exit/index.html
Shakes head.
Giving one person so much power is quite stupid
an agreement like that, you can look at mine if can look at yours, may incline mutual trust up to a point, certainly helps your allies fly over to check out what the bad guys elsewhere could be up to. Much as the apparent primary objective may seem good intentioned, the good guys checking out each others hardware, it’s really about license to check out the bad guys, the question though of whether it (the cooperative transparency) raises or lowers sensitivity where and regard what, that can’t be answered by appearances alone.
Shocking Pics Confirm Trump’s Use of “Uppers”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPFVHM_G05o
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I suppose it explains the hours he keeps. Still..there the hours I keep. And I wouldn’t touch anything vaguely similar to speed.
“The day Richard Nixon failed to answer that subpoena is the day he was subject to impeachment because he took the power from Congress over the impeachment process away from Congress, and he became the judge and jury.”
Lindsay Graham
sarahs mum said:
Shocking Pics Confirm Trump’s Use of “Uppers”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPFVHM_G05o
—-I suppose it explains the hours he keeps. Still..there the hours I keep. And I wouldn’t touch anything vaguely similar to speed.
Man it would be more shocking to find out he’s not doing drugs
You may find this amusing DV: Kelly-Ann Conway is Kellywise – the Dancing Clown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlt3rA-oDao
I was going to emphasise the fact that Trump doesn’t drink and compare him with some of the great world leaders who were fond of a tipple but I stayed my hand in deference that I might sully their name by the comparison..
Witty Rejoinder said:
You may find this amusing DV: Kelly-Ann Conway is Kellywise – the Dancing Clownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlt3rA-oDao
I found it…scary.
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
You may find this amusing DV: Kelly-Ann Conway is Kellywise – the Dancing Clownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlt3rA-oDao
I found it…scary.
Probably helps if you have seen ‘It’.
Peak Warming Man said:
I was going to emphasise the fact that Trump doesn’t drink and compare him with some of the great world leaders who were fond of a tipple but I stayed my hand in deference that I might sully their name by the comparison..
lights cigar
we shall light them on the beaches, in the hills and fields
i’m being silly, in a silly mood
He’s also the first President elected since the 1980s who has never smoked marijuana. I think maybe temperance is overrated.
dv said:
He’s also the first President elected since the 1980s who has never smoked marijuana. I think maybe temperance is overrated.
We only have his word on that? And everything is made up or an outright lie? So..who is to know?
Ed Meese, the Reagan era attorney general who resigned in an infamous corruption scandal, has been given the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Trump.
Ed Meese was also a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal and operated under the Nixonian dictum that what the President does is by definition not illegal.
I am assuming that Trump has made this award to send a message.
Although support for the Impeachment Inquiry is differentiated along party lines, a clear majority of independent voters support it, and quite a significant minority of Republicans.
dv said:
Ed Meese, the Reagan era attorney general who resigned in an infamous corruption scandal, has been given the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Trump.
Ed Meese was also a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal and operated under the Nixonian dictum that what the President does is by definition not illegal.I am assuming that Trump has made this award to send a message.
Look, he’s obviously got some shit points, and he speaks badly, but somebody should be arrested for child abuse. He’s obviously being manipulated by the NRA, who are taking advantage of an hysterical developmentally-delayed teenager… vulnerable due to his condition… He’s been indoctrinated by arseclowns.
(just riffing on the response to Greta there)
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
Ed Meese, the Reagan era attorney general who resigned in an infamous corruption scandal, has been given the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Trump.
Ed Meese was also a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal and operated under the Nixonian dictum that what the President does is by definition not illegal.I am assuming that Trump has made this award to send a message.
Look, he’s obviously got some shit points, and he speaks badly, but somebody should be arrested for child abuse. He’s obviously being manipulated by the NRA, who are taking advantage of an hysterical developmentally-delayed teenager… vulnerable due to his condition… He’s been indoctrinated by arseclowns.
In other words…elder abuse. I know you are just taking off the Greta response, but horrible as Trump is thre is an element of him being used by people because he IS derpy in the head.
dv said:
Ed Meese, the Reagan era attorney general who resigned in an infamous corruption scandal, has been given the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Trump.
Ed Meese was also a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal and operated under the Nixonian dictum that what the President does is by definition not illegal.I am assuming that Trump has made this award to send a message.
That’s assuming a level of thinking of subtlety that seems to be beyond Trump.
Dropbear said:
dv said:
Ed Meese, the Reagan era attorney general who resigned in an infamous corruption scandal, has been given the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Trump.
Ed Meese was also a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal and operated under the Nixonian dictum that what the President does is by definition not illegal.I am assuming that Trump has made this award to send a message.
That’s assuming a level of thinking of subtlety that seems to be beyond Trump.
rat cunning.
Not Satire
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-defends-abandoning-the-kurds-they-didnt-help-us-with-normandy
President Trump on Wednesday addressed his decision to withdraw American troops from northern Syria, abandoning our Kurdish allies—who have done a majority of the fighting against ISIS—before an impending attack by Turkey. Trump noted several contributing factors, including that the Kurds, an Iranian ethnic group, did not help the United States during World War II—including the invasion of Normandy Beach. “Now the Kurds are fighting for their land, just so you understand. They’re fighting for their land. And as somebody wrote in a very very powerful article today: They didn’t help us in the Second World War, they didn’t help us with Normandy, as an example, they mention names of different battles… but they’re there to help us with their land,” Trump said.
dv said:
Not Satirehttps://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-defends-abandoning-the-kurds-they-didnt-help-us-with-normandy
President Trump on Wednesday addressed his decision to withdraw American troops from northern Syria, abandoning our Kurdish allies—who have done a majority of the fighting against ISIS—before an impending attack by Turkey. Trump noted several contributing factors, including that the Kurds, an Iranian ethnic group, did not help the United States during World War II—including the invasion of Normandy Beach. “Now the Kurds are fighting for their land, just so you understand. They’re fighting for their land. And as somebody wrote in a very very powerful article today: They didn’t help us in the Second World War, they didn’t help us with Normandy, as an example, they mention names of different battles… but they’re there to help us with their land,” Trump said.
Huh x 1,000,000?
kii said:
dv said:
Not Satirehttps://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-defends-abandoning-the-kurds-they-didnt-help-us-with-normandy
President Trump on Wednesday addressed his decision to withdraw American troops from northern Syria, abandoning our Kurdish allies—who have done a majority of the fighting against ISIS—before an impending attack by Turkey. Trump noted several contributing factors, including that the Kurds, an Iranian ethnic group, did not help the United States during World War II—including the invasion of Normandy Beach. “Now the Kurds are fighting for their land, just so you understand. They’re fighting for their land. And as somebody wrote in a very very powerful article today: They didn’t help us in the Second World War, they didn’t help us with Normandy, as an example, they mention names of different battles… but they’re there to help us with their land,” Trump said.
Huh x 1,000,000?
Would any of those people that didn’t help even be alive
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-billionaires-low-tax-rate-working-class-cost-a9148746.html
US billionaires pay lower tax rate than working class for first time in history
Richest 400 families paid tax at rate 1.2 per cent less than bottom half of American households
In 2018 the average effective tax rate paid by the richest 400 families in the country was 23 per cent, a full percentage point lower than the 24.2 per cent rate paid by the bottom half of American households.
dv said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-billionaires-low-tax-rate-working-class-cost-a9148746.htmlUS billionaires pay lower tax rate than working class for first time in history
Richest 400 families paid tax at rate 1.2 per cent less than bottom half of American households
In 2018 the average effective tax rate paid by the richest 400 families in the country was 23 per cent, a full percentage point lower than the 24.2 per cent rate paid by the bottom half of American households.
In other news ivory backscratchers in high demand, bad day for elephants
The Greek PM has announced they will not be opposing the Turkish invasion of the Kurdish homeland, saying “Where the fuck were the Kurds when the 300 Spartans needed their help?”
dv said:
Not Satirehttps://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-defends-abandoning-the-kurds-they-didnt-help-us-with-normandy
President Trump on Wednesday addressed his decision to withdraw American troops from northern Syria, abandoning our Kurdish allies—who have done a majority of the fighting against ISIS—before an impending attack by Turkey. Trump noted several contributing factors, including that the Kurds, an Iranian ethnic group, did not help the United States during World War II—including the invasion of Normandy Beach. “Now the Kurds are fighting for their land, just so you understand. They’re fighting for their land. And as somebody wrote in a very very powerful article today: They didn’t help us in the Second World War, they didn’t help us with Normandy, as an example, they mention names of different battles… but they’re there to help us with their land,” Trump said.
Who am I to argue with his great intellect and unmatched wisdom?
I am sure abandoning allies when they are no longer useful won’t come back to bite them in years to come
The Normandy line was swiped from a right-wing blogger, apparently – though as others have pointed out, the Saudis, Russians and Turks were also conspicuous by their absence, but that hasn’t stopped them from being flavour of the month.
Dropbear said:
The Greek PM has announced they will not be opposing the Turkish invasion of the Kurdish homeland, saying “Where the fuck were the Kurds when the 300 Spartans needed their help?”
lol
I posted this last year, in response to DJT saying that the USA shouldn’t be on the line to defend small NATO allies.
“For those keeping score at home, NATO Article 5 has been invoked only once, ever. This was in response to attacks on the USA on September 11, 2001.
30 allied countries (NATO and otherwise) sent troops for the ensuing US-led war in Afghanistan. 1137 died, thousands more were severely wounded. The UK, Canada, France, Germany, and Italy lost the most. Not all of these were from big countries: the Netherlands, Denmark, Georgia, Estonia etc all suffered significant casualties in the conflict.
Though the total number of these in theatre did not top 60000, there were some 400000 individual soldiers from US-allied nations who served (or continue to serve) for some time in Afghanistan.
The President’s prevarication on whether the nation he leads should keep its end of the deal casts the US as a bad faith operator, a welcher, a swindler. He’d like to remake the republic in his own image. “
dv said:
I posted this last year, in response to DJT saying that the USA shouldn’t be on the line to defend small NATO allies.“For those keeping score at home, NATO Article 5 has been invoked only once, ever. This was in response to attacks on the USA on September 11, 2001.
30 allied countries (NATO and otherwise) sent troops for the ensuing US-led war in Afghanistan. 1137 died, thousands more were severely wounded. The UK, Canada, France, Germany, and Italy lost the most. Not all of these were from big countries: the Netherlands, Denmark, Georgia, Estonia etc all suffered significant casualties in the conflict.Though the total number of these in theatre did not top 60000, there were some 400000 individual soldiers from US-allied nations who served (or continue to serve) for some time in Afghanistan.
The President’s prevarication on whether the nation he leads should keep its end of the deal casts the US as a bad faith operator, a welcher, a swindler. He’d like to remake the republic in his own image. “
I’d be interested to see if the USA steps up if an ally requests help everyone does it for them but I bet they find some way to welch out of it
I am surprised he hasn’t been poisoned yet by the deep state actors…
party_pants said:
I am surprised he hasn’t been poisoned yet by the deep state actors…
For all his talk of the Deep State, he’s the one using unelected officials to thwart the will of the elected representatives in Congress
dv said:
party_pants said:
I am surprised he hasn’t been poisoned yet by the deep state actors…
For all his talk of the Deep State, he’s the one using unelected officials to thwart the will of the elected representatives in Congress
He was a stonecutter initiate, they found the special birthmark on his arse, he became president because of this not for any ability to lead, they are now forming a new secret society, The Notrumps
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/09/trump-impeachment-new-fox-news-poll-shows-half-support-inquiry-removal/3925094002/
Fox News poll: 51 percent favor Trump’s impeachment and removal from office
A new poll released Wednesday by Fox News shows that just more than half of all registered voters support President Trump’s impeachment and removal from office.
Those surveyed said 51% to 43% that Trump should be impeached and removed from office. Four percent said he should be impeached but not removed from office, and 40% said he should not be impeached at all.
dv said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/09/trump-impeachment-new-fox-news-poll-shows-half-support-inquiry-removal/3925094002/Fox News poll: 51 percent favor Trump’s impeachment and removal from office
A new poll released Wednesday by Fox News shows that just more than half of all registered voters support President Trump’s impeachment and removal from office.
Those surveyed said 51% to 43% that Trump should be impeached and removed from office. Four percent said he should be impeached but not removed from office, and 40% said he should not be impeached at all.
Ja Ja Binks “I call for a vote of no confidence in Trump”
Palpatine “Yeessss”
Cymek said:
dv said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/09/trump-impeachment-new-fox-news-poll-shows-half-support-inquiry-removal/3925094002/Fox News poll: 51 percent favor Trump’s impeachment and removal from office
A new poll released Wednesday by Fox News shows that just more than half of all registered voters support President Trump’s impeachment and removal from office.
Those surveyed said 51% to 43% that Trump should be impeached and removed from office. Four percent said he should be impeached but not removed from office, and 40% said he should not be impeached at all.
Ja Ja Binks “I call for a vote of no confidence in Trump”
Palpatine “Yeessss”
Further into that Fox Poll, Only 17% of respondents said that the Ukraine call was “appropriate”, rather than “impeachable” or “inappropriate but not impeachable”, so there doesn’t seem to be much support for the idea that his call was as he said “perfect”.
Joe Biden calls for Trump’s impeachment for first time
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/09/politics/joe-biden-trump-impeached/index.html
I was wondering before why there would be a bunch of people who wanted to impeach Trump but not remove him from office, which I said seemed odd.
On further consideration I can see the logic of this. He can’t be pardoned for crimes that he has been impeached for. So if you thought that removing someone from office other than by election was undemocratic or disruptive or something, but still wanted DJT to be held accountable for his crimes, you might select this option, meaning that he could still be held to account after he leaves office.
Cymek said:
Ja Ja Binks “I call for a vote of no confidence in Trump”
Palpatine “Yeessss”
Nein Nein Binks “I call for a vote of confidence in Trump”
Palpatine “Noooo”
dv said:
I was wondering before why there would be a bunch of people who wanted to impeach Trump but not remove him from office, which I said seemed odd.On further consideration I can see the logic of this. He can’t be pardoned for crimes that he has been impeached for. So if you thought that removing someone from office other than by election was undemocratic or disruptive or something, but still wanted DJT to be held accountable for his crimes, you might select this option, meaning that he could still be held to account after he leaves office.
My understandment was that if impeachment was carried by a vote in the Senate then removal from office was automatic…?
I think that being impeached is the “charge”, the senate does the trial…
party_pants said:
dv said:
I was wondering before why there would be a bunch of people who wanted to impeach Trump but not remove him from office, which I said seemed odd.On further consideration I can see the logic of this. He can’t be pardoned for crimes that he has been impeached for. So if you thought that removing someone from office other than by election was undemocratic or disruptive or something, but still wanted DJT to be held accountable for his crimes, you might select this option, meaning that he could still be held to account after he leaves office.
My understandment was that if impeachment was carried by a vote in the Senate then removal from office was automatic…?
Impeachment is similar to indictment: if the House votes to impeach, articles of impeachment are sent to the Senate to consider.
The Senate trial may result in a conviction, if two thirds of those present vote to convict.
Interesting that it is two thirds “present” as this means abstentions are as good as nays. If 66 vote to convict, 0 vote to acquit, and 34 abstain, it’s still an an acquittal.
There have been two Presidents impeached in US history. President Andrew Johnson was narrowly acquitted by the Senate (35 for, 19 against). Clinton was also acquitted, 50-50.
>>Interesting that it is two thirds “present” as this means abstentions are as good as nays. If 66 vote to convict, 0 vote to acquit, and 34 abstain, it’s still an an acquittal.
You’ve lost me son.
Peak Warming Man said:
>>Interesting that it is two thirds “present” as this means abstentions are as good as nays. If 66 vote to convict, 0 vote to acquit, and 34 abstain, it’s still an an acquittal.You’ve lost me son.
So what your saying is if you don’t turn up for the vote it is not counted as abstaining, yeah.
Peak Warming Man said:
>>Interesting that it is two thirds “present” as this means abstentions are as good as nays. If 66 vote to convict, 0 vote to acquit, and 34 abstain, it’s still an an acquittal.You’ve lost me son.
Maths
Can you impeach an orange?
https://www.facebook.com/ABCTV/videos/445478532744786/?t=71
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>Interesting that it is two thirds “present” as this means abstentions are as good as nays. If 66 vote to convict, 0 vote to acquit, and 34 abstain, it’s still an an acquittal.You’ve lost me son.
So what your saying is if you don’t turn up for the vote it is not counted as abstaining, yeah.
Fair point.
There are so many Trump team members inside now they should form their own prison gang
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/florida-businessmen-who-helped-giuliani-ukraine-arrested-campaign-finance-charges-n1064606
Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas, two foreign-born donors who gave money to a political action committee supporting President Donald Trump, were arrested Wednesday night and face charges tied to campaign-finance violations, two law enforcement officials confirmed to NBC News.
The pair are expected to appear in federal court Thursday.
Fruman and Parnas worked with Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal attorney, Giuliani has previously said, as part of his dealings in Ukraine that involved efforts to encourage the nation to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. Parnas is Ukrainian, while Fruman is Belarusian, according to the indictment unsealed Thursday.
dv said:
There are so many Trump team members inside now they should form their own prison ganghttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/florida-businessmen-who-helped-giuliani-ukraine-arrested-campaign-finance-charges-n1064606
Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas, two foreign-born donors who gave money to a political action committee supporting President Donald Trump, were arrested Wednesday night and face charges tied to campaign-finance violations, two law enforcement officials confirmed to NBC News.
The pair are expected to appear in federal court Thursday.
Fruman and Parnas worked with Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal attorney, Giuliani has previously said, as part of his dealings in Ukraine that involved efforts to encourage the nation to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. Parnas is Ukrainian, while Fruman is Belarusian, according to the indictment unsealed Thursday.
You would think that under the circumstances there would be a few more of them taking a step back away from the shit. Perhaps thinking of their future careers.
But then the polling suggests no one cares how crap it gets.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
There are so many Trump team members inside now they should form their own prison ganghttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/florida-businessmen-who-helped-giuliani-ukraine-arrested-campaign-finance-charges-n1064606
Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas, two foreign-born donors who gave money to a political action committee supporting President Donald Trump, were arrested Wednesday night and face charges tied to campaign-finance violations, two law enforcement officials confirmed to NBC News.
The pair are expected to appear in federal court Thursday.
Fruman and Parnas worked with Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal attorney, Giuliani has previously said, as part of his dealings in Ukraine that involved efforts to encourage the nation to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. Parnas is Ukrainian, while Fruman is Belarusian, according to the indictment unsealed Thursday.
You would think that under the circumstances there would be a few more of them taking a step back away from the shit. Perhaps thinking of their future careers.
But then the polling suggests no one cares how crap it gets.

sarahs mum said:
I would have thought that DT would want the Greens eliminated.
Tamb said:
sarahs mum said:
I would have thought that DT would want the Greens eliminated.
Stay off the resources, I think.
So what’s going to happen to all those ISIS fighters the Kurds are holding as prisoners in camps because no country will take back their ISIS citizens? Are they just going to be released or allowed to escape?
party_pants said:
So what’s going to happen to all those ISIS fighters the Kurds are holding as prisoners in camps because no country will take back their ISIS citizens? Are they just going to be released or allowed to escape?
Where is Der Fuehrer when you need him.
party_pants said:
So what’s going to happen to all those ISIS fighters the Kurds are holding as prisoners in camps because no country will take back their ISIS citizens? Are they just going to be released or allowed to escape?
What would you do if you were the Kurds? I’d be letting them go with a big fuck you.
party_pants said:
So what’s going to happen to all those ISIS fighters the Kurds are holding as prisoners in camps because no country will take back their ISIS citizens? Are they just going to be released or allowed to escape?
This
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-prison/turkey-shelled-prison-holding-is-foreign-fighters-kurdish-led-administration-idUSKBN1WP15C
Unless you can wait for wookie’s report
Tamb said:
party_pants said:
So what’s going to happen to all those ISIS fighters the Kurds are holding as prisoners in camps because no country will take back their ISIS citizens? Are they just going to be released or allowed to escape?
Where is Der Fuehrer when you need him.
He’s on the dunny with a dose of the shits.
AwesomeO said:
party_pants said:
So what’s going to happen to all those ISIS fighters the Kurds are holding as prisoners in camps because no country will take back their ISIS citizens? Are they just going to be released or allowed to escape?
What would you do if you were the Kurds? I’d be letting them go with a big fuck you.
Shoot them all I guess.
party_pants said:
AwesomeO said:
party_pants said:
So what’s going to happen to all those ISIS fighters the Kurds are holding as prisoners in camps because no country will take back their ISIS citizens? Are they just going to be released or allowed to escape?
What would you do if you were the Kurds? I’d be letting them go with a big fuck you.
Shoot them all I guess.
Zyklon B
party_pants said:
So what’s going to happen to all those ISIS fighters the Kurds are holding as prisoners in camps because no country will take back their ISIS citizens? Are they just going to be released or allowed to escape?
Executed maybe
Turkey shelled prison holding IS foreign fighters Kurdish-led administration
BEIRUT (Reuters) – The Syrian Kurdish-led authorities accused Turkey of shelling a prison holding Islamic State (IS) militants of more than 60 nationalities, calling this “a clear attempt” to help them escape.
There was no immediate comment from Turkey.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-prison/turkey-shelled-prison-holding-is-foreign-fighters-kurdish-led-administration-idUSKBN1WP15C
Donald Trump’s Syria troop withdrawal is an election strategy and an impeachment distraction
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-11/trumps-decision-on-syria-election-campaign/11592562
Shame Turkey can’t just bomb the White House and do us all a favour.
And now for for something completely different
3teeth – X-day
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party_pants said:
Shame Turkey can’t just bomb the White House and do us all a favour.
Funny how the yanks wondered how people could hate them so much they get attacked on home soil, tit for tat if nothing else.
AwesomeO said:
party_pants said:
So what’s going to happen to all those ISIS fighters the Kurds are holding as prisoners in camps because no country will take back their ISIS citizens? Are they just going to be released or allowed to escape?
What would you do if you were the Kurds? I’d be letting them go with a big fuck you.
I was going to comment last week that my social media had gone very quiet on the anti muslim comments, ever since Christchurch.
Looks like escaping ISIS fighters will come just in time to whip up lots of useful election time fear mongering, both for the US and the UK.
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
Shame Turkey can’t just bomb the White House and do us all a favour.
Funny how the yanks wondered how people could hate them so much they get attacked on home soil, tit for tat if nothing else.
Yeah, but if the yanks go into Syria they get called warmongers doing the bidding of the military/industrial complex. They pull out of Syria and they get slagged off as well. Bit of a lose/lose situation.
I wonder if….
All the ISIS fighters are on the loose We need to go back in again.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
Shame Turkey can’t just bomb the White House and do us all a favour.
Funny how the yanks wondered how people could hate them so much they get attacked on home soil, tit for tat if nothing else.
Yeah, but if the yanks go into Syria they get called warmongers doing the bidding of the military/industrial complex. They pull out of Syria and they get slagged off as well. Bit of a lose/lose situation.
It is almost like it’s a complex situation requiring leadership with vision, wisdom, intelligence, diplomatic nuance and subtlety….
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:Funny how the yanks wondered how people could hate them so much they get attacked on home soil, tit for tat if nothing else.
Yeah, but if the yanks go into Syria they get called warmongers doing the bidding of the military/industrial complex. They pull out of Syria and they get slagged off as well. Bit of a lose/lose situation.
It is almost like it’s a complex situation requiring leadership with vision, wisdom, intelligence, diplomatic nuance and subtlety….
Yeak, thank god the middle east was a sea of tranquility before Trump got elected.
Listening to the Beeb a while ago.
The US has about 1000 troops in Syria.
They withdrew 36 from the area in question the other day.
Carry on.
Doesn’t Reuters front page make ABC News front page look tame.
party_pants said:
So what’s going to happen to all those ISIS fighters the Kurds are holding as prisoners in camps because no country will take back their ISIS citizens? Are they just going to be released or allowed to escape?
Hopefully they’ll be assigned to finding dirt on Biden’s relatives
dv said:
party_pants said:
So what’s going to happen to all those ISIS fighters the Kurds are holding as prisoners in camps because no country will take back their ISIS citizens? Are they just going to be released or allowed to escape?
Hopefully they’ll be assigned to finding dirt on Biden’s relatives
Or hacking into Hilary comeback election campaign.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
Shame Turkey can’t just bomb the White House and do us all a favour.
Funny how the yanks wondered how people could hate them so much they get attacked on home soil, tit for tat if nothing else.
Yeah, but if the yanks go into Syria they get called warmongers doing the bidding of the military/industrial complex. They pull out of Syria and they get slagged off as well. Bit of a lose/lose situation.
Arab spring innit. Obama should never have been meddling with regime change in Russia’s back yard and declaring red lines and boosting democracy, he should have declared a cordon sanitaire and let Syria sort out its own internal problems in partnership with Russia its usual backer.
A lot of ISIS fighters definitely came from countries that helped out on d-day…
Peak Warming Man said:
Listening to the Beeb a while ago.
The US has about 1000 troops in Syria.
They withdrew 36 from the area in question the other day.Carry on.
New movie “Carry On Withdrawing.”
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:Funny how the yanks wondered how people could hate them so much they get attacked on home soil, tit for tat if nothing else.
Yeah, but if the yanks go into Syria they get called warmongers doing the bidding of the military/industrial complex. They pull out of Syria and they get slagged off as well. Bit of a lose/lose situation.
Arab spring innit. Obama should never have been meddling with regime change in Russia’s back yard and declaring red lines and boosting democracy, he should have declared a cordon sanitaire and let Syria sort out its own internal problems in partnership with Russia its usual backer.
Ya get a Nobel Peace prize for pulling that off :)
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:Funny how the yanks wondered how people could hate them so much they get attacked on home soil, tit for tat if nothing else.
Yeah, but if the yanks go into Syria they get called warmongers doing the bidding of the military/industrial complex. They pull out of Syria and they get slagged off as well. Bit of a lose/lose situation.
Arab spring innit. Obama should never have been meddling with regime change in Russia’s back yard and declaring red lines and boosting democracy, he should have declared a cordon sanitaire and let Syria sort out its own internal problems in partnership with Russia its usual backer.
Oops, a cordon sanitiaire around the Kurds.
AwesomeO said:
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:Yeah, but if the yanks go into Syria they get called warmongers doing the bidding of the military/industrial complex. They pull out of Syria and they get slagged off as well. Bit of a lose/lose situation.
Arab spring innit. Obama should never have been meddling with regime change in Russia’s back yard and declaring red lines and boosting democracy, he should have declared a cordon sanitaire and let Syria sort out its own internal problems in partnership with Russia its usual backer.
Oops, a cordon sanitiaire around the Kurds.
Pulling out of Syria and Afghanistan was one of Trump’s election promises.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:Yeah, but if the yanks go into Syria they get called warmongers doing the bidding of the military/industrial complex. They pull out of Syria and they get slagged off as well. Bit of a lose/lose situation.
It is almost like it’s a complex situation requiring leadership with vision, wisdom, intelligence, diplomatic nuance and subtlety….
Yeak, thank god the middle east was a sea of tranquility before Trump got elected.
It wasn’t but how much was caused by foreign interference over the years to stop them becoming united
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:It is almost like it’s a complex situation requiring leadership with vision, wisdom, intelligence, diplomatic nuance and subtlety….
Yeak, thank god the middle east was a sea of tranquility before Trump got elected.
It wasn’t but how much was caused by foreign interference over the years to stop them becoming united
When you say over the years do you mean relatively recently since the ottomans or back to the Romans or before that the Persians.
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:It is almost like it’s a complex situation requiring leadership with vision, wisdom, intelligence, diplomatic nuance and subtlety….
Yeak, thank god the middle east was a sea of tranquility before Trump got elected.
It wasn’t but how much was caused by foreign interference over the years to stop them becoming united
Oh, no doubt there has been shitload of foreign interference over the years, but a united middle east, or even one that isn’t slightly fractured – I think you need to go pre – Sumer to pull that one off.
AwesomeO said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:Yeak, thank god the middle east was a sea of tranquility before Trump got elected.
It wasn’t but how much was caused by foreign interference over the years to stop them becoming united
When you say over the years do you mean relatively recently since the ottomans or back to the Romans or before that the Persians.
Yes it could date back centuries of longer but in the 20th and 21st centuries.
They don’t really need much help to want to kill each other so just a prod here and there works well
The middle eastern conflicts are basically Muslim sectarian wars and wont be over for generations if ever.
The Russians and the US go in from time to time to use the area for weapons testing and live fire exercises.
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:Funny how the yanks wondered how people could hate them so much they get attacked on home soil, tit for tat if nothing else.
Yeah, but if the yanks go into Syria they get called warmongers doing the bidding of the military/industrial complex. They pull out of Syria and they get slagged off as well. Bit of a lose/lose situation.
Arab spring innit. Obama should never have been meddling with regime change in Russia’s back yard and declaring red lines and boosting democracy, he should have declared a cordon sanitaire and let Syria sort out its own internal problems in partnership with Russia its usual backer.
No administration ever, got to start with a clean slate. They need to take over and play the hand they get. It is always complicated. It always needs people with intelligence and wisdom in positions of leadership. Trump has failed utterly. He is just too plain fucking lazy to understand the issues.
But he’s got full faith in Jared. If he can’t do it, no one can…
furious said:
- Trump has failed utterly. He is just too plain fucking lazy to understand the issues.
But he’s got full faith in Jared. If he can’t do it, no one can…
Jared can go and get fucked by a diseased goat.
Lots of goats in the middle east…
furious said:
- Jared can go and get fucked by a diseased goat.
Lots of goats in the middle east…
And some of them are quite pretty.
One thing I will say for Trump: he’s such an awful, ignorant and cruel moron that even when he has a good idea, one doesn’t feel like agreeing with him because of how he expresses and conducts himself.
I mean there’s a case to be made for SPACE FORCE! I’m sure you or I could sit down and produce some rationale: space is indeed being militarised, why not get ahead of the curve for once. But when he talks about it he sounds like a concussed 8 year old who forgot to prepare for his presentation so he just rambles on with semirelevant buzzwords and space related concepts.

dv said:
One thing I will say for Trump: he’s such an awful, ignorant and cruel moron that even when he has a good idea, one doesn’t feel like agreeing with him because of how he expresses and conducts himself.I mean there’s a case to be made for SPACE FORCE! I’m sure you or I could sit down and produce some rationale: space is indeed being militarised, why not get ahead of the curve for once. But when he talks about it he sounds like a concussed 8 year old who forgot to prepare for his presentation so he just rambles on with semirelevant buzzwords and space related concepts.
And there could be real Space Cadets.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
One thing I will say for Trump: he’s such an awful, ignorant and cruel moron that even when he has a good idea, one doesn’t feel like agreeing with him because of how he expresses and conducts himself.I mean there’s a case to be made for SPACE FORCE! I’m sure you or I could sit down and produce some rationale: space is indeed being militarised, why not get ahead of the curve for once. But when he talks about it he sounds like a concussed 8 year old who forgot to prepare for his presentation so he just rambles on with semirelevant buzzwords and space related concepts.
And there could be real Space Cadets.
G Force
dv said:
One thing I will say for Trump: he’s such an awful, ignorant and cruel moron that even when he has a good idea, one doesn’t feel like agreeing with him because of how he expresses and conducts himself.I mean there’s a case to be made for SPACE FORCE! I’m sure you or I could sit down and produce some rationale: space is indeed being militarised, why not get ahead of the curve for once. But when he talks about it he sounds like a concussed 8 year old who forgot to prepare for his presentation so he just rambles on with semirelevant buzzwords and space related concepts.
Trump is not qualified for the job he has.
He is underperforming, unproductive, rude, inept, inefficient and making lots of mistakes .
None of those qualities fit a President in the 21 century.
dv said:
I mean there’s a case to be made for SPACE FORCE! I’m sure you or I could sit down and produce some rationale: space is indeed being militarised, why not get ahead of the curve for once. But when he talks about it he sounds like a concussed 8 year old who forgot to prepare for his presentation so he just rambles on with semirelevant buzzwords and space related concepts.
I believe the scientific term is “fuckwit”.
furious said:
- I mean there’s a case to be made for SPACE FORCE!
It could generate a propaganda carton “Space force” and more action heroes for Disney and Hollywood.
Fiery Phoenix!
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
One thing I will say for Trump: he’s such an awful, ignorant and cruel moron that even when he has a good idea, one doesn’t feel like agreeing with him because of how he expresses and conducts himself.I mean there’s a case to be made for SPACE FORCE! I’m sure you or I could sit down and produce some rationale: space is indeed being militarised, why not get ahead of the curve for once. But when he talks about it he sounds like a concussed 8 year old who forgot to prepare for his presentation so he just rambles on with semirelevant buzzwords and space related concepts.
Trump is not qualified for the job he has.
He is underperforming, unproductive, rude, inept, inefficient and making lots of mistakes .
None of those qualities fit a President in the 21 century.
On the upside Trump lifts me out of my ‘You are unworthy’ state of mind.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
One thing I will say for Trump: he’s such an awful, ignorant and cruel moron that even when he has a good idea, one doesn’t feel like agreeing with him because of how he expresses and conducts himself.I mean there’s a case to be made for SPACE FORCE! I’m sure you or I could sit down and produce some rationale: space is indeed being militarised, why not get ahead of the curve for once. But when he talks about it he sounds like a concussed 8 year old who forgot to prepare for his presentation so he just rambles on with semirelevant buzzwords and space related concepts.
Trump is not qualified for the job he has.
He is underperforming, unproductive, rude, inept, inefficient and making lots of mistakes .
None of those qualities fit a President in the 21 century.
He is most definitely qualified for the job, you can argue he is not competent but he is qualified.
furious said:
- G Force
Fiery Phoenix!
Do you want to be Tiny or Keyop
AwesomeO said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
One thing I will say for Trump: he’s such an awful, ignorant and cruel moron that even when he has a good idea, one doesn’t feel like agreeing with him because of how he expresses and conducts himself.I mean there’s a case to be made for SPACE FORCE! I’m sure you or I could sit down and produce some rationale: space is indeed being militarised, why not get ahead of the curve for once. But when he talks about it he sounds like a concussed 8 year old who forgot to prepare for his presentation so he just rambles on with semirelevant buzzwords and space related concepts.
Trump is not qualified for the job he has.
He is underperforming, unproductive, rude, inept, inefficient and making lots of mistakes .
None of those qualities fit a President in the 21 century.
He is most definitely qualified for the job, you can argue he is not competent but he is qualified.
He’s white and has money
Cymek said:
AwesomeO said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Trump is not qualified for the job he has.
He is underperforming, unproductive, rude, inept, inefficient and making lots of mistakes .
None of those qualities fit a President in the 21 century.
He is most definitely qualified for the job, you can argue he is not competent but he is qualified.
He’s white and has money
Deplorables also voted for Obama. Hilary got more votes just not enough states.
Cymek said:
AwesomeO said:He is most definitely qualified for the job, you can argue he is not competent but he is qualified.
He’s white and has money
Obama was black and had money…
My pondering for the day:
The role of reality television in helping Trump become President.
Let me preface this by saying I do not watch The Bachelorette. I listen to a Sunshine Coast radio station (Brisbane stations are shit). This morning, the radio was going nuts over some guy on The Bachelorette last night. I didn’t catch what happened, but the hosts were talking to callers, the mayor of Noosa, and other people in positions of power. The Mayor of Noosa said the guy should resign. Tweets were read out; one said, “Noosa: Please Explain”.
When I got home, I discovered what had happened. A guy on The Bachelorette is trying to win the affections of said bachelorette. He made distasteful and disrespectful comments not only about And to the woman, but to female crew members and makeup artists. All were caught on camera. The other contestants on the show pulled him up, saying he’s a creep and a sleaze. One of the guys told the bachelorette what this guy was saying. She told him to leave immediately. Turns out, this guys is a Councillor in Noosa and is described as “weird” from other councillors and the Mayor.
This councillor’s response is along the lines of “It was a joke”, “I’m not going to resign, it will blow over”, and “let the voters decide next March”.
Given Trump’s comments about pussy-grabbing and other miscellaneous non-consensual acts, I ponder the role his celebrity has played in him winning the Presidency. I also wonder what the fuck is wrong with people who vote/support Someone who openly boasts about such behaviour. Surprisingly, a number of women support Trump.
Divine Angel said:
My pondering for the day:The role of reality television in helping Trump become President.
Let me preface this by saying I do not watch The Bachelorette. I listen to a Sunshine Coast radio station (Brisbane stations are shit). This morning, the radio was going nuts over some guy on The Bachelorette last night. I didn’t catch what happened, but the hosts were talking to callers, the mayor of Noosa, and other people in positions of power. The Mayor of Noosa said the guy should resign. Tweets were read out; one said, “Noosa: Please Explain”.
When I got home, I discovered what had happened. A guy on The Bachelorette is trying to win the affections of said bachelorette. He made distasteful and disrespectful comments not only about And to the woman, but to female crew members and makeup artists. All were caught on camera. The other contestants on the show pulled him up, saying he’s a creep and a sleaze. One of the guys told the bachelorette what this guy was saying. She told him to leave immediately. Turns out, this guys is a Councillor in Noosa and is described as “weird” from other councillors and the Mayor.
This councillor’s response is along the lines of “It was a joke”, “I’m not going to resign, it will blow over”, and “let the voters decide next March”.
Given Trump’s comments about pussy-grabbing and other miscellaneous non-consensual acts, I ponder the role his celebrity has played in him winning the Presidency. I also wonder what the fuck is wrong with people who vote/support Someone who openly boasts about such behaviour. Surprisingly, a number of women support Trump.
I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago that what the woman who support Trump’s sexism have in common is..racism.
sarahs mum said:
Divine Angel said:
My pondering for the day:The role of reality television in helping Trump become President.
Let me preface this by saying I do not watch The Bachelorette. I listen to a Sunshine Coast radio station (Brisbane stations are shit). This morning, the radio was going nuts over some guy on The Bachelorette last night. I didn’t catch what happened, but the hosts were talking to callers, the mayor of Noosa, and other people in positions of power. The Mayor of Noosa said the guy should resign. Tweets were read out; one said, “Noosa: Please Explain”.
When I got home, I discovered what had happened. A guy on The Bachelorette is trying to win the affections of said bachelorette. He made distasteful and disrespectful comments not only about And to the woman, but to female crew members and makeup artists. All were caught on camera. The other contestants on the show pulled him up, saying he’s a creep and a sleaze. One of the guys told the bachelorette what this guy was saying. She told him to leave immediately. Turns out, this guys is a Councillor in Noosa and is described as “weird” from other councillors and the Mayor.
This councillor’s response is along the lines of “It was a joke”, “I’m not going to resign, it will blow over”, and “let the voters decide next March”.
Given Trump’s comments about pussy-grabbing and other miscellaneous non-consensual acts, I ponder the role his celebrity has played in him winning the Presidency. I also wonder what the fuck is wrong with people who vote/support Someone who openly boasts about such behaviour. Surprisingly, a number of women support Trump.
I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago that what the woman who support Trump’s sexism have in common is..racism.
Self-styled stable genius, how dare you say he’s racist?
It’s just that he’s not all that keen, on gals from different places,
Except for those with figures slim, and million dollar faces,
Self-styled stable genius, how dare you say he’s racist?
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Divine Angel said:
My pondering for the day:The role of reality television in helping Trump become President.
Let me preface this by saying I do not watch The Bachelorette. I listen to a Sunshine Coast radio station (Brisbane stations are shit). This morning, the radio was going nuts over some guy on The Bachelorette last night. I didn’t catch what happened, but the hosts were talking to callers, the mayor of Noosa, and other people in positions of power. The Mayor of Noosa said the guy should resign. Tweets were read out; one said, “Noosa: Please Explain”.
When I got home, I discovered what had happened. A guy on The Bachelorette is trying to win the affections of said bachelorette. He made distasteful and disrespectful comments not only about And to the woman, but to female crew members and makeup artists. All were caught on camera. The other contestants on the show pulled him up, saying he’s a creep and a sleaze. One of the guys told the bachelorette what this guy was saying. She told him to leave immediately. Turns out, this guys is a Councillor in Noosa and is described as “weird” from other councillors and the Mayor.
This councillor’s response is along the lines of “It was a joke”, “I’m not going to resign, it will blow over”, and “let the voters decide next March”.
Given Trump’s comments about pussy-grabbing and other miscellaneous non-consensual acts, I ponder the role his celebrity has played in him winning the Presidency. I also wonder what the fuck is wrong with people who vote/support Someone who openly boasts about such behaviour. Surprisingly, a number of women support Trump.
I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago that what the woman who support Trump’s sexism have in common is..racism.
- clear throat ***
Self-styled stable genius, how dare you say he’s racist?
It’s just that he’s not all that keen, on gals from different places,
Except for those with figures slim, and million dollar faces,
Self-styled stable genius, how dare you say he’s racist?
That’s got a little bit of C. L. Dean about it.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago that what the woman who support Trump’s sexism have in common is..racism.
- clear throat ***
Self-styled stable genius, how dare you say he’s racist?
It’s just that he’s not all that keen, on gals from different places,
Except for those with figures slim, and million dollar faces,
Self-styled stable genius, how dare you say he’s racist?That’s got a little bit of C. L. Dean about it.
blushes
You are too kind PWM.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
- clear throat ***
Self-styled stable genius, how dare you say he’s racist?
It’s just that he’s not all that keen, on gals from different places,
Except for those with figures slim, and million dollar faces,
Self-styled stable genius, how dare you say he’s racist?That’s got a little bit of C. L. Dean about it.
blushes
You are too kind PWM.
He’s your mentor
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago that what the woman who support Trump’s sexism have in common is..racism.
- clear throat ***
Self-styled stable genius, how dare you say he’s racist?
It’s just that he’s not all that keen, on gals from different places,
Except for those with figures slim, and million dollar faces,
Self-styled stable genius, how dare you say he’s racist?That’s got a little bit of C. L. Dean about it.
High praise, high praise indeed.
Rudy Giuliani associates charged with campaign finance violations
Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were arrested on charges including conspiracy, making false statements and falsifying records
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/10/rudy-giuliani-associates-trump-campaign-finance-violations-ukraine
sarahs mum said:
Rudy Giuliani associates charged with campaign finance violations
Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were arrested on charges including conspiracy, making false statements and falsifying records
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/10/rudy-giuliani-associates-trump-campaign-finance-violations-ukraine
Donald Trump: I don’t know them, never met them, nothing to do with me.
The Internet: What about these pictures of you with them?
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
One thing I will say for Trump: he’s such an awful, ignorant and cruel moron that even when he has a good idea, one doesn’t feel like agreeing with him because of how he expresses and conducts himself.I mean there’s a case to be made for SPACE FORCE! I’m sure you or I could sit down and produce some rationale: space is indeed being militarised, why not get ahead of the curve for once. But when he talks about it he sounds like a concussed 8 year old who forgot to prepare for his presentation so he just rambles on with semirelevant buzzwords and space related concepts.
Trump is not qualified for the job he has.
He is underperforming, unproductive, rude, inept, inefficient and making lots of mistakes .
None of those qualities fit a President in the 21 century.
On the upside Trump lifts me out of my ‘You are unworthy’ state of mind.
:)
Trump is even making Tony Abbott look good.
Roll out the subpoenas.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/10/politics/rick-perry-house-subpoena/index.html
Tau.Neutrino said:
Roll out the subpoenas.https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/10/politics/rick-perry-house-subpoena/index.html
Wonders how many more subpoenas will there be?
Wonders “who” will be next ?
Plays batman music in the background.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Roll out the subpoenas.https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/10/politics/rick-perry-house-subpoena/index.html
Wonders how many more subpoenas will there be?
Wonders “who” will be next ?
Something about draining the swamp.

Why Shep Smith finally walked out of Fox News for good
With President Trump actively distorting the truth and many of his own colleagues helping him do it, the Fox News star prided himself on anchoring a newscast that countered the network’s pro-Trump opinion shows.
The way Smith saw it, he was making sure that accurate information was getting on Fox’s air.
“I wonder,” he told a Time magazine reporter last year, “if I stopped delivering the facts, what would go in its place in this place that is most watched, most listened, most viewed, most trusted? I don’t know.”
But he had had enough. In September, according to a well-placed source, he went to Fox News management and asked to be let out of his long-term contract. Tensions with the opinion shows were the breaking point.
Executives at the network leaned on him to stay, but to no avail. On Friday afternoon he announced his departure on the air, then exited the building immediately, clearly emotional about saying goodbye to his television home of twenty years.
For months I have been working on a book about Fox News in the Trump age. Staffers have been confiding in me about the challenges of covering the news inside a network that is increasingly defined by sychophantic pro-Trump personalities like Sean Hannity.
Staffers on the news side unanimously point to Smith as a role model.
But “it was clear he wasn’t happy, on air and off air,” one of the staffers said after Friday’s stunning resignation announcement.
Two other staffers also said he’d indicated he “wanted to leave” — meaning that he was not forced out by management, as some outsiders immediately speculated on social media.
“I think it probably just got to be too much,” one of Smith’s allies inside Fox News headquarters said.
In my reporting, in the months before Smith’s resignation, I have been asking sources about Smith and why he has decided to stay put at Fox while other top journalists have left.
“Some of the top names among the news side at Fox” have been “leaving voluntarily one by one,” a former staffer pointed out, as big chunks of the network have basically been co-opted by Trump.
Carl Cameron, who used to be Fox’s chief political correspondent, said earlier this year, “Shep and I were among the first hires” at Fox “and I give that man huge credit for continuing to do it. I reached my limit.” He left soon after Trump took office.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/11/media/fox-news-shepard-smith/index.html
That’s kind of unfortunate.
Federal judge says Trump’s use of emergency funds to build wall is unlawful
CNN)A federal judge in Texas ruled Friday that President Donald Trump’s national emergency declaration to build a border wall is unlawful and appears poised to block the use of those funds.
Judge David Briones of the US District Court for the Western District of Texas, asked challengers of the wall to propose the scope of a preliminary injunction.
The lawsuit, brought by El Paso County, Texas, and Border Network for Human Rights, seeks an injunction to block Trump’s national emergency declaration. It argues that Trump overstepped his authority when he issued the declaration to gain access to additional funds for his border wall, despite receiving $1.375 billion from Congress.
The complaint also alleges that the declaration doesn’t meet the National Emergencies Act’s definition of “emergency” and pushes back against Trump’s remarks that border barriers led to a drop in crime in El Paso.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/11/politics/judge-trump-border-wall-funds/index.html
Oh but it gets worse/better
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump has relentlessly pushed to build a border wall and tighten immigration restrictions. He’s also fought efforts to acquire his tax returns.
On Friday, five federal courts rejected arguments by Trump and his administration on all three fronts.
It was a shocking day, as the President lost on both the personal front — keeping his tax returns from congressional Democrats who might use them in their impeachment inquiry — and on immigration, the policy area at the center of his agenda.
Here’s a brief breakdown of the five rulings — and one dissent:
Tax returns — DC Circuit Court of Appeals
In a 2-1 ruling, the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit rejected Trump’s attempt to stop his accounting firm, Mazars USA, from turning over eight years of financial records to House Democrats.
Border wall — Western District of Texas
Judge David Briones said Trump’s national emergency declaration to build a border wall is unlawful, and appears poised to block the use of those funds.
Immigration green card regulations — Southern District of New York
Three federal judges blocked efforts to make it more difficult for immigrants who rely on public assistance to obtain legal status — the so-called “public charge” rule.
Immigration green card regulations — Eastern District of Washington
In Spokane, Washington, Judge Rosanna Malouf Peterson was also unimpressed with the rule from the Department of Homeland Security.
Immigration green card regulations — Northern District of California
Not to be outdone, Judge Phyllis J. Hamilton invoked Emma Lazarus’ iconic poem on the Statue of Liberty’s pedestal in her ruling blocking the Public Charge rule.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/11/politics/5-rulings-against-trump-taxes-border-wall-immigration-public-charge/index.html
dv said:
Why Shep Smith finally walked out of Fox News for goodWith President Trump actively distorting the truth and many of his own colleagues helping him do it, the Fox News star prided himself on anchoring a newscast that countered the network’s pro-Trump opinion shows.
The way Smith saw it, he was making sure that accurate information was getting on Fox’s air.
“I wonder,” he told a Time magazine reporter last year, “if I stopped delivering the facts, what would go in its place in this place that is most watched, most listened, most viewed, most trusted? I don’t know.”
But he had had enough. In September, according to a well-placed source, he went to Fox News management and asked to be let out of his long-term contract. Tensions with the opinion shows were the breaking point.
Executives at the network leaned on him to stay, but to no avail. On Friday afternoon he announced his departure on the air, then exited the building immediately, clearly emotional about saying goodbye to his television home of twenty years.For months I have been working on a book about Fox News in the Trump age. Staffers have been confiding in me about the challenges of covering the news inside a network that is increasingly defined by sychophantic pro-Trump personalities like Sean Hannity.
Staffers on the news side unanimously point to Smith as a role model.
But “it was clear he wasn’t happy, on air and off air,” one of the staffers said after Friday’s stunning resignation announcement.
Two other staffers also said he’d indicated he “wanted to leave” — meaning that he was not forced out by management, as some outsiders immediately speculated on social media.
“I think it probably just got to be too much,” one of Smith’s allies inside Fox News headquarters said.
In my reporting, in the months before Smith’s resignation, I have been asking sources about Smith and why he has decided to stay put at Fox while other top journalists have left.“Some of the top names among the news side at Fox” have been “leaving voluntarily one by one,” a former staffer pointed out, as big chunks of the network have basically been co-opted by Trump.
Carl Cameron, who used to be Fox’s chief political correspondent, said earlier this year, “Shep and I were among the first hires” at Fox “and I give that man huge credit for continuing to do it. I reached my limit.” He left soon after Trump took office.https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/11/media/fox-news-shepard-smith/index.html
That’s kind of unfortunate.
It is.
dv said:
Federal judge says Trump’s use of emergency funds to build wall is unlawfulCNN)A federal judge in Texas ruled Friday that President Donald Trump’s national emergency declaration to build a border wall is unlawful and appears poised to block the use of those funds.
Judge David Briones of the US District Court for the Western District of Texas, asked challengers of the wall to propose the scope of a preliminary injunction.
The lawsuit, brought by El Paso County, Texas, and Border Network for Human Rights, seeks an injunction to block Trump’s national emergency declaration. It argues that Trump overstepped his authority when he issued the declaration to gain access to additional funds for his border wall, despite receiving $1.375 billion from Congress.
The complaint also alleges that the declaration doesn’t meet the National Emergencies Act’s definition of “emergency” and pushes back against Trump’s remarks that border barriers led to a drop in crime in El Paso.https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/11/politics/judge-trump-border-wall-funds/index.html
Good.
dv said:
Oh but it gets worse/betterWashington (CNN)President Donald Trump has relentlessly pushed to build a border wall and tighten immigration restrictions. He’s also fought efforts to acquire his tax returns.
On Friday, five federal courts rejected arguments by Trump and his administration on all three fronts.
It was a shocking day, as the President lost on both the personal front — keeping his tax returns from congressional Democrats who might use them in their impeachment inquiry — and on immigration, the policy area at the center of his agenda.
Here’s a brief breakdown of the five rulings — and one dissent:
Tax returns — DC Circuit Court of Appeals
In a 2-1 ruling, the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit rejected Trump’s attempt to stop his accounting firm, Mazars USA, from turning over eight years of financial records to House Democrats.Border wall — Western District of Texas
Judge David Briones said Trump’s national emergency declaration to build a border wall is unlawful, and appears poised to block the use of those funds.Immigration green card regulations — Southern District of New York
Three federal judges blocked efforts to make it more difficult for immigrants who rely on public assistance to obtain legal status — the so-called “public charge” rule.Immigration green card regulations — Eastern District of Washington
In Spokane, Washington, Judge Rosanna Malouf Peterson was also unimpressed with the rule from the Department of Homeland Security.Immigration green card regulations — Northern District of California
Not to be outdone, Judge Phyllis J. Hamilton invoked Emma Lazarus’ iconic poem on the Statue of Liberty’s pedestal in her ruling blocking the Public Charge rule.https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/11/politics/5-rulings-against-trump-taxes-border-wall-immigration-public-charge/index.html
More good.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Why Shep Smith finally walked out of Fox News for goodWith President Trump actively distorting the truth and many of his own colleagues helping him do it, the Fox News star prided himself on anchoring a newscast that countered the network’s pro-Trump opinion shows.
The way Smith saw it, he was making sure that accurate information was getting on Fox’s air.
“I wonder,” he told a Time magazine reporter last year, “if I stopped delivering the facts, what would go in its place in this place that is most watched, most listened, most viewed, most trusted? I don’t know.”
But he had had enough. In September, according to a well-placed source, he went to Fox News management and asked to be let out of his long-term contract. Tensions with the opinion shows were the breaking point.
Executives at the network leaned on him to stay, but to no avail. On Friday afternoon he announced his departure on the air, then exited the building immediately, clearly emotional about saying goodbye to his television home of twenty years.For months I have been working on a book about Fox News in the Trump age. Staffers have been confiding in me about the challenges of covering the news inside a network that is increasingly defined by sychophantic pro-Trump personalities like Sean Hannity.
Staffers on the news side unanimously point to Smith as a role model.
But “it was clear he wasn’t happy, on air and off air,” one of the staffers said after Friday’s stunning resignation announcement.
Two other staffers also said he’d indicated he “wanted to leave” — meaning that he was not forced out by management, as some outsiders immediately speculated on social media.
“I think it probably just got to be too much,” one of Smith’s allies inside Fox News headquarters said.
In my reporting, in the months before Smith’s resignation, I have been asking sources about Smith and why he has decided to stay put at Fox while other top journalists have left.“Some of the top names among the news side at Fox” have been “leaving voluntarily one by one,” a former staffer pointed out, as big chunks of the network have basically been co-opted by Trump.
Carl Cameron, who used to be Fox’s chief political correspondent, said earlier this year, “Shep and I were among the first hires” at Fox “and I give that man huge credit for continuing to do it. I reached my limit.” He left soon after Trump took office.https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/11/media/fox-news-shepard-smith/index.html
That’s kind of unfortunate.
It is.
nods
dv said:
Why Shep Smith finally walked out of Fox News for goodWith President Trump actively distorting the truth and many of his own colleagues helping him do it, the Fox News star prided himself on anchoring a newscast that countered the network’s pro-Trump opinion shows.
The way Smith saw it, he was making sure that accurate information was getting on Fox’s air.
“I wonder,” he told a Time magazine reporter last year, “if I stopped delivering the facts, what would go in its place in this place that is most watched, most listened, most viewed, most trusted? I don’t know.”
But he had had enough. In September, according to a well-placed source, he went to Fox News management and asked to be let out of his long-term contract. Tensions with the opinion shows were the breaking point.
Executives at the network leaned on him to stay, but to no avail. On Friday afternoon he announced his departure on the air, then exited the building immediately, clearly emotional about saying goodbye to his television home of twenty years.For months I have been working on a book about Fox News in the Trump age. Staffers have been confiding in me about the challenges of covering the news inside a network that is increasingly defined by sychophantic pro-Trump personalities like Sean Hannity.
Staffers on the news side unanimously point to Smith as a role model.
But “it was clear he wasn’t happy, on air and off air,” one of the staffers said after Friday’s stunning resignation announcement.
Two other staffers also said he’d indicated he “wanted to leave” — meaning that he was not forced out by management, as some outsiders immediately speculated on social media.
“I think it probably just got to be too much,” one of Smith’s allies inside Fox News headquarters said.
In my reporting, in the months before Smith’s resignation, I have been asking sources about Smith and why he has decided to stay put at Fox while other top journalists have left.“Some of the top names among the news side at Fox” have been “leaving voluntarily one by one,” a former staffer pointed out, as big chunks of the network have basically been co-opted by Trump.
Carl Cameron, who used to be Fox’s chief political correspondent, said earlier this year, “Shep and I were among the first hires” at Fox “and I give that man huge credit for continuing to do it. I reached my limit.” He left soon after Trump took office.https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/11/media/fox-news-shepard-smith/index.html
That’s kind of unfortunate.
With the Syria withdrawal it must be nearly game over.
Marie Yovanovitch tells Congress of ‘private interests’ acting ‘for their own gain’ in Donald Trump impeachment inquiry
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-12/marie-yovanovitch-testifies-donald-trump-impeachment-inquiry/11596640

10 October ·
At his Las Vegas hotel right now.
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Well..it is there to be do.
sarahs mum said:
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10 October ·
At his Las Vegas hotel right now.
—-Well..it is there to be do.
He provides the convenient spot.
After a legally disastrous day for DJT yesterday, there have been further developments…
Marie Yovanovitch, former US ambassador to Ukraine, has responded to the subpoena and testified to Congress in closed door sessions for 9 hours.
Also, Fiona Hill, Trump’s former Russia advisor who left the role in August, has agreed to testify.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-former-russia-adviser-set-give-testimony-giuliani-sondland-n1064846
And former US ambassador to the EU, Gordon Sondland, has changed his mind and now says he will defy the White House and testify to Congress.
https://www.axios.com/gordon-sondland-eu-ambassador-trump-ukraine-testify-57fc7de9-2dc1-4b0a-9a0e-9ff004ee262f.html
And several new whistleblowers have contacted Congress.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/more-potential-whistleblowers-are-contacting-congress
dv said:
After a legally disastrous day for DJT yesterday, there have been further developments…Marie Yovanovitch, former US ambassador to Ukraine, has responded to the subpoena and testified to Congress in closed door sessions for 9 hours.
Also, Fiona Hill, Trump’s former Russia advisor who left the role in August, has agreed to testify.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-former-russia-adviser-set-give-testimony-giuliani-sondland-n1064846And former US ambassador to the EU, Gordon Sondland, has changed his mind and now says he will defy the White House and testify to Congress.
https://www.axios.com/gordon-sondland-eu-ambassador-trump-ukraine-testify-57fc7de9-2dc1-4b0a-9a0e-9ff004ee262f.htmlAnd several new whistleblowers have contacted Congress.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/more-potential-whistleblowers-are-contacting-congress
“I do not know Mr. Giuliani’s motives for attacking me,” Yovanovitch said. “But individuals who have been named in the press as contacts of Mr. Giuliani may well have believed that their personal financial ambitions were stymied by our anti-corruption policy in Ukraine.”
Deutsche Bank Might Have Destroyed Physical Copies of Trump’s Tax Returns, Cleansed Servers, Claims Former Executive: Report
former Deutsche Bank executive who reviewed President Donald Trump’s tax returns reportedly said it is “not normal” that the institution no longer holds copies of those records.https://www.newsweek.com/trump-tax-returns-deutsche-bank-servers-copies-1464576
sarahs mum said:
Deutsche Bank Might Have Destroyed Physical Copies of Trump’s Tax Returns, Cleansed Servers, Claims Former Executive: Report former Deutsche Bank executive who reviewed President Donald Trump’s tax returns reportedly said it is “not normal” that the institution no longer holds copies of those records.https://www.newsweek.com/trump-tax-returns-deutsche-bank-servers-copies-1464576
Interesting.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
Deutsche Bank Might Have Destroyed Physical Copies of Trump’s Tax Returns, Cleansed Servers, Claims Former Executive: Report former Deutsche Bank executive who reviewed President Donald Trump’s tax returns reportedly said it is “not normal” that the institution no longer holds copies of those records.https://www.newsweek.com/trump-tax-returns-deutsche-bank-servers-copies-1464576
Interesting.
Perhaps expected.
Trump suggests Senator Romney should be impeached
Which is not actually possible…
dv said:
Trump suggests Senator Romney should be impeachedWhich is not actually possible…
It is, really.
Under Article II, Section 4, of the US Constitution, the House of Representatives has the power to impeach the president, vice president and any civil officer (which includes senators and representatives).
It’s only happened once. Senator William Blount was impeached in 1797.
Federal prosecutors have opened investigations into Giuliani’s operations in Ukraine.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/11/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-investigation.html
Recently, towards the end of September, the Trump for president 2020 campaign ran an ad alleging the Joe Biden withheld aid from Ukraine and was getting $1 billion, some kind of weird, the whole thing’s a lie. Basically, they created an ad filled with lies. They tried to get it on some networks. CNN said, no, absolutely not. Everything you’ve said here is untrue and it’s verifiably untrue. But then they went to Facebook with this ad in Facebook, said, okay, we’ll run the ad, whatever. We don’t care. Joe Biden’s campaign said, Hey, you’re running this ad that now has millions upon millions of views and it’s filled with lies and false hoods. You gotta pull this. This is not okay. This is borderline slander and Facebook says, no, we’re just getting, we’re going to let it run. They paid us. Hey, we’re running the ad. In fact, here’s the official response from Facebook, a woman by the name of Katie Horvath who is Facebook’s head of global elections policy, also a former Republican operative, by the way, here is what ms Horvath had to say. Our approach is grounded in Facebook’s fundamental belief in free expression, respect for the democratic process and belief that in mature democracies with a free press, political speeches already, arguably the most scrutinized speech there is not by you, not by your organization. and guess what moron. When you amplify it, when you put it out there for more people to see it, it becomes harder to counter. But you know that because you worked for the Republican party, you are one of their operatives and this is exactly how you got this position and why you wanted it. Folks, there is no anti-conservative bias at places like Facebook. They are the Republican party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_lCnsXYK0
Some of the above is probably true.
This is an analysis piece, and I’m not necessarily endorsing it.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/14/middleeast/isis-battle-wasted-gains-intl/index.html
The war against ISIS was all a waste
dv said:
This is an analysis piece, and I’m not necessarily endorsing it.https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/14/middleeast/isis-battle-wasted-gains-intl/index.html
The war against ISIS was all a waste
because, in the words of US Defense Secretary Mark Esper, American forces are “likely caught between two opposing, advancing armies and it’s a very untenable situation.”
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Coz the US forces aren’t particularly strong. They couldn’t possibly deal with the situation.
Meanwhile, Trump’s approval level has resiled somewhat since last week, back up to 42%.
Impeachment support is still around 50%, with opposition to impeachment on 44%.
dv said:
Meanwhile, Trump’s approval level has resiled somewhat since last week, back up to 42%.Impeachment support is still around 50%, with opposition to impeachment on 44%.
I wonder if the impeach movement is losing steam, however.
The news cycle is short these days.
I think/hope the kurd fiasco has damaged him though.
Today’s MSNBC/WSJ poll pegs support for the impeachment inquiry at 55%.
Breaking it down by party identification, 87% of Dems support the impeachment inquiry, 20% of Republicans, and 60% of those who identify as independents.
Rare sighting of Ted Cruz’s balls
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/john-bolton-ukraine-pressure-drug-deal-giuliani-hand-grenade.html
Former Trump National Security Adviser Called Ukraine Pressure a “Drug Deal,” Giuliani a “Hand Grenade”
“I am not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up… Giuliani’s a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up” – former National
Security Advisor John Bolton
Some of the White House’s most senior foreign policy officials were trying to raise the alarm about the administration’s potentially illegal activity in Ukraine well before President Donald Trump’s now notorious call with his counterpart in Kiev, according to stunning new testimony in the impeachment inquiry.
Fiona Hill, Trump’s former top Russia adviser, said in a startling deposition Monday that then-national security adviser John Bolton told her to tip off White House lawyers about the activities of Giuliani and others, according to sources familiar with her testimony. Bolton’s advice followed a meeting two weeks before the call between the two presidents on July 25, one source said.
The detail suggests that senior figures inside Trump’s White House were deeply concerned that the activities by the President and those close to him could reach the level of illegal behavior — a potentially significant turn in the three-week-old impeachment inquiry by House Democrats.
While it remains unclear whether Trump or his lawyer Rudy Giuliani did actually break the law in going around official channels to deal with Ukraine, much of the conduct now emerging at least appears unethical, off-the-books of regular diplomatic activity and more expansive than it initially appeared.
On Tuesday, Giuliani’s lawyer informed Congress the former New York City mayor will defy House Democrats’ impeachment subpoena. The Office of Management and Budget also does not plan to turn over the documents that impeachment committees subpoenaed, a spokeswoman said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/15/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-ukraine-fiona-hill-testimony/index.html
‘The parents of the British teenager who was killed in a crash allegedly involving an American diplomat’s wife have refused to meet the woman after it was revealed tthem she was at the White House during their meeting with Donald Trump. ‘ – ABC News
“The bombshell was dropped not soon after we walked in the room that Anne Sacoolas was in the building and was willing to meet with us,” Ms Charles told Sky News UK.
“We made it very clear, as we have said all along that we will meet with her, and we are still willing to see her — but it has to be on our terms and on UK soil.”
Just when you think the Model of a Modern Stable Genius can’t possibly be more of a dick than he has been…
The idiot simply can’t believe that he’s not in some poorly-planned ‘reality’ TV show.
What did he think would happen? They’d all meet, and there’d be hugs and kisses and tears, and forgiveness and flowers and violins, and roll the end credits?
Trump keeps losing in court, but time is on his side
Courts aren’t buying Trump’s claim that he is immune from oversight. But that won’t matter if he runs out the clock.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/15/20913594/trump-taxes-subpoena-mazars-supreme-court?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump keeps losing in court, but time is on his side
Courts aren’t buying Trump’s claim that he is immune from oversight. But that won’t matter if he runs out the clock.http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/15/20913594/trump-taxes-subpoena-mazars-supreme-court?
So 5 years and a few months eh.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump keeps losing in court, but time is on his side
Courts aren’t buying Trump’s claim that he is immune from oversight. But that won’t matter if he runs out the clock.http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/15/20913594/trump-taxes-subpoena-mazars-supreme-court?
So 5 years and a few months eh.
11 more months and 10 more days..
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump keeps losing in court, but time is on his side
Courts aren’t buying Trump’s claim that he is immune from oversight. But that won’t matter if he runs out the clock.http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/15/20913594/trump-taxes-subpoena-mazars-supreme-court?
So 5 years and a few months eh.
11 more months and 10 more days..
to the tonal ddrump?
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump keeps losing in court, but time is on his side
Courts aren’t buying Trump’s claim that he is immune from oversight. But that won’t matter if he runs out the clock.http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/15/20913594/trump-taxes-subpoena-mazars-supreme-court?
So 5 years and a few months eh.
11 more months and 10 more days..
eh?
I really don’t understand how Trump is still a thing.
Aside from the outrageously right-wingedness of the press these days.
But even allowing for that we still know that nasty, evil, corrupt lying scumbag. And he still has support.
Technically (barring resignation or removal or death etc) Trump will be president for 15 more months until President Gabbard is sworn in in January 2021.
sarahs mum said:
I really don’t understand how Trump is still a thing.Aside from the outrageously right-wingedness of the press these days.
But even allowing for that we still know that nasty, evil, corrupt lying scumbag. And he still has support.
From Putin, yes.
sarahs mum said:
I really don’t understand how Trump is still a thing.Aside from the outrageously right-wingedness of the press these days.
But even allowing for that we still know that nasty, evil, corrupt lying scumbag. And he still has support.
He speaks to a certain class of degenerate in the electorate and then there are the other politicians who for better or for worse think him the lesser of two evils.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
I really don’t understand how Trump is still a thing.Aside from the outrageously right-wingedness of the press these days.
But even allowing for that we still know that nasty, evil, corrupt lying scumbag. And he still has support.
He speaks to a certain class of degenerate in the electorate and then there are the other politicians who for better or for worse think him the lesser of two evils.
So many simply do not want to change. It is all too hard.
Tulsi deploys her active camouflage:
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Witty Rejoinder said:
Tulsi deploys her active camouflage:
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There were so many women at the beginning of the race.
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tulsi deploys her active camouflage:
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There were so many women at the beginning of the race.
and there will be fewer at the end.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tulsi deploys her active camouflage:
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I notice none of the dudes was man enough to wear a colourful suit
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tulsi deploys her active camouflage:
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I notice none of the dudes was man enough to wear a colourful suit
No business polo shorts either.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tulsi deploys her active camouflage:
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I notice none of the dudes was man enough to wear a colourful suit
No business polo shorts either.
Where are the flannel shirts?
No Nehru jackets.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/cuomo-signs-law-aimed-weakening-trump-s-pardon-power-closes-n1065151
Cuomo signs law aimed at weakening Trump’s pardon power, closes ‘double jeopardy’ loophole
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed a measure Wednesday that would allow the state to pursue charges against people who have received a presidential pardon — a law seen as a direct shot at President Donald Trump.
Multiple ex-Trump aides or associates are imprisoned or facing legal scrutiny in New York.
The president, whose business and campaign are both headquartered in New York, also is facing numerous federal, state and congressional investigations related to his administration, campaign and business dealings.
“No one is above the law and New York will not turn a blind eye to criminality, no matter who seeks to protect them,” Cuomo said in a statement. “The closure of this egregious loophole gives prosecutors the ability to stand up against any abuse of power, and helps ensure that no politically motivated, self-serving action is sanctioned under law.”
The change takes effect immediately.
“With the President all but pledging to corruptly abuse his pardon power to allow friends and associates off the hook, it is crucial that we have closed the Double Jeopardy loophole and preserved the rule of law in New York,” Democratic state Sen. Todd Kaminsky, who sponsored the legislation, said in a statement.
dv said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/cuomo-signs-law-aimed-weakening-trump-s-pardon-power-closes-n1065151Cuomo signs law aimed at weakening Trump’s pardon power, closes ‘double jeopardy’ loophole
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed a measure Wednesday that would allow the state to pursue charges against people who have received a presidential pardon — a law seen as a direct shot at President Donald Trump.
Multiple ex-Trump aides or associates are imprisoned or facing legal scrutiny in New York.
The president, whose business and campaign are both headquartered in New York, also is facing numerous federal, state and congressional investigations related to his administration, campaign and business dealings.
“No one is above the law and New York will not turn a blind eye to criminality, no matter who seeks to protect them,” Cuomo said in a statement. “The closure of this egregious loophole gives prosecutors the ability to stand up against any abuse of power, and helps ensure that no politically motivated, self-serving action is sanctioned under law.”
The change takes effect immediately.
“With the President all but pledging to corruptly abuse his pardon power to allow friends and associates off the hook, it is crucial that we have closed the Double Jeopardy loophole and preserved the rule of law in New York,” Democratic state Sen. Todd Kaminsky, who sponsored the legislation, said in a statement.
Nice work.
Michael V said:
dv said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/cuomo-signs-law-aimed-weakening-trump-s-pardon-power-closes-n1065151Cuomo signs law aimed at weakening Trump’s pardon power, closes ‘double jeopardy’ loophole
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed a measure Wednesday that would allow the state to pursue charges against people who have received a presidential pardon — a law seen as a direct shot at President Donald Trump.
Multiple ex-Trump aides or associates are imprisoned or facing legal scrutiny in New York.
The president, whose business and campaign are both headquartered in New York, also is facing numerous federal, state and congressional investigations related to his administration, campaign and business dealings.
“No one is above the law and New York will not turn a blind eye to criminality, no matter who seeks to protect them,” Cuomo said in a statement. “The closure of this egregious loophole gives prosecutors the ability to stand up against any abuse of power, and helps ensure that no politically motivated, self-serving action is sanctioned under law.”
The change takes effect immediately.
“With the President all but pledging to corruptly abuse his pardon power to allow friends and associates off the hook, it is crucial that we have closed the Double Jeopardy loophole and preserved the rule of law in New York,” Democratic state Sen. Todd Kaminsky, who sponsored the legislation, said in a statement.
Nice work.
I think it sets a dangerous precedent.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/cuomo-signs-law-aimed-weakening-trump-s-pardon-power-closes-n1065151Cuomo signs law aimed at weakening Trump’s pardon power, closes ‘double jeopardy’ loophole
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed a measure Wednesday that would allow the state to pursue charges against people who have received a presidential pardon — a law seen as a direct shot at President Donald Trump.
Multiple ex-Trump aides or associates are imprisoned or facing legal scrutiny in New York.
The president, whose business and campaign are both headquartered in New York, also is facing numerous federal, state and congressional investigations related to his administration, campaign and business dealings.
“No one is above the law and New York will not turn a blind eye to criminality, no matter who seeks to protect them,” Cuomo said in a statement. “The closure of this egregious loophole gives prosecutors the ability to stand up against any abuse of power, and helps ensure that no politically motivated, self-serving action is sanctioned under law.”
The change takes effect immediately.
“With the President all but pledging to corruptly abuse his pardon power to allow friends and associates off the hook, it is crucial that we have closed the Double Jeopardy loophole and preserved the rule of law in New York,” Democratic state Sen. Todd Kaminsky, who sponsored the legislation, said in a statement.
Nice work.
I think it sets a dangerous precedent.
Both things – pardons and double jeopardy are anachronisms in my view.
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:Nice work.
I think it sets a dangerous precedent.
Both things – pardons and double jeopardy are anachronisms in my view.
+1
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:I think it sets a dangerous precedent.
Both things – pardons and double jeopardy are anachronisms in my view.
+1
Double jeopardy protects individuals from egregious prosecution by a state. It falls down now days where technology can open up areas of investigation that were once not available. The new technology can prove innocence but it can also, in some cases, prove guilt where a previous court case has found a not guilty verdict.
I don’t think it’s a black and white case for its abandonment. On the other hand the Presidential pardon can go and get rooted.
The chances of Trump self combusting is small, but still possible.
I suppose I should be glad he’s addressing the issue but this is weird
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I suppose I should be glad he’s addressing the issue but this is weird
I wonder what the Generals letter says?
I don’t believe that letter is real.. I mean, it can’t be, can it? it’s too chatty and weird and unprofessional.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
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I suppose I should be glad he’s addressing the issue but this is weird
I wonder what the Generals letter says?
We have over a thousand years war experience, you only have 400 ?
Arts said:
I don’t believe that letter is real.. I mean, it can’t be, can it? it’s too chatty and weird and unprofessional.
Its a new world standard for communication.
Arts said:
I don’t believe that letter is real.. I mean, it can’t be, can it? it’s too chatty and weird and unprofessional.
It is certainly chatty and weird and unprofessional but the WH has confirmed its authenticity.
there needs to be someone in there who has the right to say, “Mr President, Sir, you this carefully crafted correspondence makes you sound like a prat, please reconsider rewording it.”
Arts said:
there needs to be someone in there who has the right to say, “Mr President, Sir, you this carefully crafted correspondence makes you sound like a prat, please reconsider rewording it.”
I think Trump keeps replacing that person.
I would think there should be someone who actually writes these things for them and the President just signs it…
furious said:
- there needs to be someone in there who has the right to say, “Mr President, Sir, you this carefully crafted correspondence makes you sound like a prat, please reconsider rewording it.”
I would think there should be someone who actually writes these things for them and the President just signs it…
nope… you’re wrong. This cannot be the final draft approved by two people.
Maybe Ivanka wrote it and he just signed….
I did say “should” suggesting that perhaps I did not believe that is what happened…
More likely, Baron wrote it…
dv said:
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I suppose I should be glad he’s addressing the issue but this is weird
ROFL.
furious said:
- there needs to be someone in there who has the right to say, “Mr President, Sir, you this carefully crafted correspondence makes you sound like a prat, please reconsider rewording it.”
I would think there should be someone who actually writes these things for them and the President just signs it…
Trump may not comprehend “prat”.
Maybe use dick head, jerk, asswipe…
Ian said:
furious said:
- there needs to be someone in there who has the right to say, “Mr President, Sir, you this carefully crafted correspondence makes you sound like a prat, please reconsider rewording it.”
I would think there should be someone who actually writes these things for them and the President just signs it…
Trump may not comprehend “prat”.
Maybe use dick head, jerk, asswipe…
Yes, he certainly seems like someone who is receptive to criticism…
look, on reading my post it actually makes about as much sense as the original letter did.. but then, I have real world problems to deal with, unlike the POTUS.
Arts said:
furious said:
- there needs to be someone in there who has the right to say, “Mr President, Sir, you this carefully crafted correspondence makes you sound like a prat, please reconsider rewording it.”
I would think there should be someone who actually writes these things for them and the President just signs it…
nope… you’re wrong. This cannot be the final draft approved by two people.
Dude. Check it out. This is the real letter that was sent.
The president has ultimate authority over his missives. There’s no one who can overrule his letters. He doesn’t need anyone to approve anything. He ignores input.
dv said:
Ian said:
furious said:
- there needs to be someone in there who has the right to say, “Mr President, Sir, you this carefully crafted correspondence makes you sound like a prat, please reconsider rewording it.”
I would think there should be someone who actually writes these things for them and the President just signs it…
Trump may not comprehend “prat”.
Maybe use dick head, jerk, asswipe…
Yes, he certainly seems like someone who is receptive to criticism…
You mean he might turn around and do something really stupid?
furious said:
- Maybe Ivanka wrote it and he just signed….
More likely, Baron wrote it…
Well that’s a bit mean. I’m sure Baron is a fine boy. He lives with his mommy…
sibeen said:
dv said:
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I suppose I should be glad he’s addressing the issue but this is weird
ROFL.
Can I just say…that signature is weird.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
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I suppose I should be glad he’s addressing the issue but this is weird
ROFL.
Can I just say…that signature is weird.
That’s his cardiogram
It’s in Sharpie
dv said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:ROFL.
Can I just say…that signature is weird.
That’s his cardiogram
It’s in Sharpie
If that’s his cardiogram, he’s not well…
House Republicans joined Democrats in condemning Trump’s actions in Syria
Congress is pushing back on Trump’s decision to withdraw US troops from Syria.
In a bipartisan rebuke to President Donald Trump, the US House of Representatives has overwhelmingly passed a resolution condemning his decision to pull United States troops out of Syria, abandoning US allies in the region as Turkish troops have moved in.
The 354-60 vote on the resolution Wednesday was largely symbolic, but it signaled the widespread disapproval among lawmakers for Trump’s latest controversial foreign policy move. It came as fighting continued in northeastern Syria between Turkey and Kurdish fighters, who have been a key US ally in fighting the terror group ISIS.
https://www.vox.com/2019/10/16/20917841/house-republicans-democrats-condemn-trump-action-in-syria
I wonder whether there is any capacity for Congress to overturn the decision.
dv said:
I wonder whether there is any capacity for Congress to overturn the decision.
all they can do is impeach and remove him from office.
dv said:
House Republicans joined Democrats in condemning Trump’s actions in SyriaCongress is pushing back on Trump’s decision to withdraw US troops from Syria.
In a bipartisan rebuke to President Donald Trump, the US House of Representatives has overwhelmingly passed a resolution condemning his decision to pull United States troops out of Syria, abandoning US allies in the region as Turkish troops have moved in.
The 354-60 vote on the resolution Wednesday was largely symbolic, but it signaled the widespread disapproval among lawmakers for Trump’s latest controversial foreign policy move. It came as fighting continued in northeastern Syria between Turkey and Kurdish fighters, who have been a key US ally in fighting the terror group ISIS.
https://www.vox.com/2019/10/16/20917841/house-republicans-democrats-condemn-trump-action-in-syria
I wonder whether there is any capacity for Congress to overturn the decision.
How many republicans in that?
dv said:
House Republicans joined Democrats in condemning Trump’s actions in SyriaCongress is pushing back on Trump’s decision to withdraw US troops from Syria.
In a bipartisan rebuke to President Donald Trump, the US House of Representatives has overwhelmingly passed a resolution condemning his decision to pull United States troops out of Syria, abandoning US allies in the region as Turkish troops have moved in.
The 354-60 vote on the resolution Wednesday was largely symbolic, but it signaled the widespread disapproval among lawmakers for Trump’s latest controversial foreign policy move. It came as fighting continued in northeastern Syria between Turkey and Kurdish fighters, who have been a key US ally in fighting the terror group ISIS.
https://www.vox.com/2019/10/16/20917841/house-republicans-democrats-condemn-trump-action-in-syria
I wonder whether there is any capacity for Congress to overturn the decision.
Congress is “supposed” to vote on going to war, I doubt there’s anything precedent on pulling troops out requiring a vote.
party_pants said:
dv said:I wonder whether there is any capacity for Congress to overturn the decision.
all they can do is impeach and remove him from office.
Or psychnote him out under Article 25
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
House Republicans joined Democrats in condemning Trump’s actions in SyriaCongress is pushing back on Trump’s decision to withdraw US troops from Syria.
In a bipartisan rebuke to President Donald Trump, the US House of Representatives has overwhelmingly passed a resolution condemning his decision to pull United States troops out of Syria, abandoning US allies in the region as Turkish troops have moved in.
The 354-60 vote on the resolution Wednesday was largely symbolic, but it signaled the widespread disapproval among lawmakers for Trump’s latest controversial foreign policy move. It came as fighting continued in northeastern Syria between Turkey and Kurdish fighters, who have been a key US ally in fighting the terror group ISIS.
https://www.vox.com/2019/10/16/20917841/house-republicans-democrats-condemn-trump-action-in-syria
I wonder whether there is any capacity for Congress to overturn the decision.
How many republicans in that?
120 Republicans supported the rebuke, 60 opposed.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
House Republicans joined Democrats in condemning Trump’s actions in SyriaCongress is pushing back on Trump’s decision to withdraw US troops from Syria.
In a bipartisan rebuke to President Donald Trump, the US House of Representatives has overwhelmingly passed a resolution condemning his decision to pull United States troops out of Syria, abandoning US allies in the region as Turkish troops have moved in.
The 354-60 vote on the resolution Wednesday was largely symbolic, but it signaled the widespread disapproval among lawmakers for Trump’s latest controversial foreign policy move. It came as fighting continued in northeastern Syria between Turkey and Kurdish fighters, who have been a key US ally in fighting the terror group ISIS.
https://www.vox.com/2019/10/16/20917841/house-republicans-democrats-condemn-trump-action-in-syria
I wonder whether there is any capacity for Congress to overturn the decision.
How many republicans in that?
120 Republicans supported the rebuke, 60 opposed.
Wow. Okay then. That’s impressive.
dv said:
FFS. He really needs to be locked away.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
FFS. He really needs to be locked away.
They should build a fake Whitehouse somewhere, with fake staff and fake TV news channels, and just let him sit around quietly signing mountains of pointless paperwork, while somebody else takes over and runs the real show.
dv said:
What did the Romans ever do for us?
Heather Cox Richardson
10 hrs ·
I apologize for the length of today’s post, but there is a lot because today it felt like the day the nation shifted. There has been so much unbelievable news that as early as 3:00 I was texting my political friends with just the fire emoji and exclamation marks, but the twists and turns seem to add up to the fact that Trump’s firewall is breaking.
Since he declared his candidacy, supporters and undecideds have been able to explain away behaviors by saying they were jokes, or misunderstood, or, if something was really bad, by accepting Trump’s own insistence that what had happened was not at all what the media was reporting. But that is no longer possible. Since September 13, we have learned of a plot from the White House to weaken our ally Ukraine in order to force its leader to intervene in our 2020 election. That was bad enough that it led to an impeachment inquiry, and began to crack Trump’s support even in the Republican Party. And now, over the course of the past ten days, the profound debacle of our withdrawal from northern Syria, leading to the ethnic cleansing of our former allies, the release of valuable ISIS fighters, and a huge victory for Putin’s Russia has ripped away whatever shreds of excuse for Trump’s behavior his supporters could still clutch. These two disasters, both entirely of Trump’s own making, are reinforcing each other to collapse the Trump presidency with really shocking speed. As that happens, Trump himself is melting down, increasing the momentum of the crisis.
This morning, Trump tried to change the narrative on what had happened in Syria— a story we all saw as it unfolded after his abrupt October 6 announcement that the US would pull back the troops that were stationed in the Kurdish region of Syria, where the Kurds were fighting ISIS on our behalf. In that announcement, he said that Turkey would be moving into Syria, and that the US would get out of its way. There was an instantaneous bipartisan outcry that we would be risking the release of thousands of ISIS prisoners, and abandoning our allies, who would likely be slaughtered. As this happened just as predicted, Trump tried to change the story. He has said that he didn’t green light the incursion (I will attach the press release and you can see what you think), that the Kurds were deliberately releasing ISIS prisoners, and this morning told reporters that what was happening in the Middle East had nothing to do with the US, and that the Kurds, who lost 11,000 soldiers fighting for us against ISIS, were “no angels.” He also voiced something previously kept secret: we currently have 50 nuclear weapons in Turkey, which is obviously something of enormous concern as we are now at odds.
Then, midday, news broke that Trump had cancelled a briefing for congressional leaders on the Syrian situation, saying that things there were “nicely under control.” This was too much for Congress to stomach, and this afternoon, the House overwhelmingly, by a vote of 354 to 60, passed a bipartisan resolution (129 Republicans voted for it) condemning Trump’s actions in Syria and asking what his “clear and specific plan” was for combatting ISIS. Trump supporters Senators Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, and Marco Rubio also expressed dismay over the president’s actions in Syria.
After the vote, the White House invited congressional leaders to meet with Trump. There, they asked what his plan for Syria was, and the conversation went poorly. Apparently, Trump attacked his former Secretary of Defense James Mattis as weak and claimed that he alone— Trump— had won victory over ISIS. He said that Turkey and Syria would fight ISIS, but his advisors admitted there was no sign they were actually going to do it. And Trump refused to engage with the reality that Russia has now swept into Syria, taking positions there that had been ours hours before (and making propaganda videos about it). When Pelosi said he had given Putin the foothold in the Middle East he had always wanted, and then followed it up with “All roads with you lead to Putin,” Trump blew up. He said such insulting things to the Speaker of the House— who is, after all, the primary representative of the American people— the Democratic leaders walked out. They went straight to waiting cameras, where the men expressed shock at Trump’s attack on the House speaker, but Pelosi herself emphasized that the president was taken aback by such a dramatic rebuke by Republicans in Congress (129 of them voted for the resolution). She also noted that Trump is not well.
Love her or hate her, Pelosi is a masterful politician, and she called this exactly right. The Syrian crisis has provided a clear issue around which people turning against Trump can coalesce. It is now clear that there has been growing concern among career diplomats for months that Trump and his people have been using the State Department to spur foreign attacks on Democrats at home. The whistleblower complaint about Trump’s July 25 phone call with Ukraine president Zelensky that came to light on September 13 was the first inkling of this, but since then, there has been such a flood of alarming information the whistleblower complaint has been eclipsed. Career state department officials— Marie Yovanovitch, Fiona Hill, George Kent, and today, Michael McKinley— have bucked the White House embargo on testimony to add details to the story of a shadow foreign policy run by Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuilani and Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland, along with special envoy Kurt Volker, and facilitated by acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, to pressure Ukraine leaders to smear Joe Biden’s son Hunter. In May, Mulvaney allegedly put together the “three amigos:” Sondland, Volker, and Energy Secretary Rick Perry to take over Ukraine policy from career diplomats.
With the arrest last week of Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas (fyi, I can’t keep all these names straight either) we learned that the story was even deeper: these men were funneling money from Russian oligarchs to GOP politicians, while trying to cement control over Ukraine’s gas industry. Another person named in the indictment, David Correia, was arrested today at JFK airport. We have also learned that Rudy Giuliani is, and has been, under federal counterintelligence investigation, suggesting that the FBI thinks he might be actively working for a foreign country.
The story of Syria, and that the domestic story is getting so bad that people are defying Trump, has cracked open the wall that has protected the president. People are heading for the exits. Last night, news broke that a federal appeals court has reopened a case charging Trump with violating the Constitution’s emoluments clause and profiting illegally from his hotels while in office. Today, we learned that there are major discrepancies between Trump’s taxes and bank records for loans, suggesting he might well have committed tax or bank fraud. Then Time Magazine published a piece by David Schulkin, Trump’s first Secretary of Veteran’s Affairs, presenting his interview for the job as virtually a Saturday Night Live skit, to which he compared it in the piece.
Pelosi is right: Trump is spooked by his collapsing power. In a desperate attempt for good press, Trump today tried to manufacture a win on social media by trying to resolve an emotional international incident before cameras. On August 27, the wife of a US diplomat in the UK, driving on the wrong side of the road, struck and killed a young man coming her way on a motorcycle. Citing diplomatic immunity— the law that protects diplomats from being prosecuted for crimes in foreign countries— the woman took refuge from the UK’s justice system by returning to America. The man’s parents, along with the British government, have appealed for the US government to waive her diplomatic immunity and return her for a trial. The man’s parents are in the US to press for her return, and Trump invited them to the White House. Unbeknownst to them, he had the woman who had killed their son waiting in an adjoining room to meet with them in front of cameras. They declined, later saying they had been “ambushed.” Rather than looking like a peacemaker, Trump looked like someone trying to use parents suffering from the death of their son for a photo-op.
After a day of disastrous news and the meeting with congressional leaders, Trump tried tonight to look calm, and to spin the walkout as Pelosi’s meltdown rather than his. He tweeted out a picture showing Pelosi standing up to him while he was seated at a table surrounded by advisors. But the body language of the men around Trump was startling: they are slumped, staring at their folded hands. It was an astonishing self-own, followed up by worse. To demonstrate that he had, in fact, been hard on Turkish President Erdogan rather than green lighting his attack on the Kurds, Trump released to Fox News personality Trish Regan a letter he allegedly wrote on October 9, the day Turkish troops crossed into Syria and began to slaughter the Kurds. “Let’s work out a good deal!” he wrote to Erdogan, and then went on to conclude: “Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool!…. I will call you later.” The letter was so wildly inappropriate reporters had to check to make sure it was not a parody. But the White House verified it.
For their part, White House spokespeople insist that Trump is calm and in control. Tonight, he resurrected complaints about Hillary Clinton,‘s emails and echoed Pelosi’s observations about him, tweeting that “Nancy Pelosi needs help fast! There is either something wrong with her “upstairs,” or she just plain doesn’t like our great Country. She had a total meltdown in the White House today. It was very sad to watch. Pray for her, she is a very sick person!”
I have spent more than 30 years studying political history, and I have nothing to which to compare the craziness of today. I have no idea what will happen in the hours after I hit the send button. But it does feel like the political tide is turning.

Im not sure there isn’t a deal.
sarahs mum said:
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Im not sure there isn’t a deal.
I’m not sure that there has been deafening silence either.
The USA has carried out an airstrike to destroy its own headquarters in northern Syria, to prevent it from falling into enemy hands.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-bombed-its-anti-isis-headquarters-as-turkish-troops-advanced-2019-10?r=US&IR=T
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
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Im not sure there isn’t a deal.
I’m not sure that there has been deafening silence either.
True.
There does seem to have been some stepping away from him today.
dv said:
The USA has carried out an airstrike to destroy its own headquarters in northern Syria, to prevent it from falling into enemy hands.https://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-bombed-its-anti-isis-headquarters-as-turkish-troops-advanced-2019-10?r=US&IR=T
That’s that then.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The USA has carried out an airstrike to destroy its own headquarters in northern Syria, to prevent it from falling into enemy hands.https://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-bombed-its-anti-isis-headquarters-as-turkish-troops-advanced-2019-10?r=US&IR=T
That’s that then.
Vladimir told Don, “It would look better if you did it.”
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The USA has carried out an airstrike to destroy its own headquarters in northern Syria, to prevent it from falling into enemy hands.https://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-bombed-its-anti-isis-headquarters-as-turkish-troops-advanced-2019-10?r=US&IR=T
That’s that then.
Kind of hard to frame this as something other than a defeat.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The USA has carried out an airstrike to destroy its own headquarters in northern Syria, to prevent it from falling into enemy hands.https://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-bombed-its-anti-isis-headquarters-as-turkish-troops-advanced-2019-10?r=US&IR=T
That’s that then.
Vladimir told Don, “It would look better if you did it.”
:)
It’s funny when you think about it. This person literally has the unchecked authority to render the Earth uninhabitable at a moment’s notice. Someone should probably take a look at that, consider whether another way would be better.
dv said:
It’s funny when you think about it. This person literally has the unchecked authority to render the Earth uninhabitable at a moment’s notice. Someone should probably take a look at that, consider whether another way would be better.
Some 50-odd nukes are marooned in Turkey, I read somewhere last night.
party_pants said:
dv said:
It’s funny when you think about it. This person literally has the unchecked authority to render the Earth uninhabitable at a moment’s notice. Someone should probably take a look at that, consider whether another way would be better.
Some 50-odd nukes are marooned in Turkey, I read somewhere last night.
What a funny old world it is. God bless the Istanbul Trump Towers.
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
It’s funny when you think about it. This person literally has the unchecked authority to render the Earth uninhabitable at a moment’s notice. Someone should probably take a look at that, consider whether another way would be better.
Some 50-odd nukes are marooned in Turkey, I read somewhere last night.
What a funny old world it is. God bless the Istanbul Trump Towers.
I have already decided to boycott any Trump resorts or building developments.
dv said:
It’s funny when you think about it. This person literally has the unchecked authority to render the Earth uninhabitable at a moment’s notice. Someone should probably take a look at that, consider whether another way would be better.
It’s a product of old-time democracy, when the idea was that everyone could trust The King, if he was elected by We the People.
Human politics are still very primitive in a lot of ways.
(CNN)US Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland was directed by President Donald Trump to work with Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine, he told Congress on Thursday, and was left with a choice: Abandon efforts to bolster a key strategic alliance or work to satisfy the demands of the President’s personal lawyer.
Sondland said he wasn’t aware until “much later” that Giuliani’s agenda might have included an effort to “prompt the Ukrainians” to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter and to involve the Ukrainians in the President’s campaign, according to his opening statement, which was obtained by CNN in advance of the deposition.
Sondland’s revealing testimony is a clear break with Trump over Giuliani — he said he was “disappointed” that Trump wouldn’t commit to a meeting sought by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky until they spoke with Giuliani, who was pursuing an investigation into Biden, a potential political rival in Trump’s reelection campaign. And the ambassador’s testimony showcases how Trump put on hold an effort to strengthen relations with Ukraine until top US officials were in contact with his personal attorney.
“Based on the President’s direction, we were faced with a choice: We could abandon the goal of a White House meeting for President Zelensky, which we all believed was crucial to strengthening U.S.-Ukrainian ties and furthering long-held U.S. foreign policy goals in the region; or we could do as President Trump directed and talk to Mr. Giuliani to address the President’s concerns,” Sondland said in his opening statement.
“We chose the latter path, which seemed to all of us — Secretary (Rick) Perry, Ambassador (Kurt) Volker, and myself — to be the better alternative,” Sondland continued. “But I did not understand, until much later, that Mr. Giuliani’s agenda might have also included an effort to prompt the Ukrainians to investigate Vice President Biden or his son or to involve Ukrainians, directly or indirectly, in the President’s 2020 reelection campaign.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/17/politics/sondland-deposition-impeachment-inquiry/index.html
Trump has confirmed that Rick Perry is resigning as energy secretary, and said that Perry’s replacement is a man and “we’ll be be announcing it very shortly.”
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50am
Washington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50amWashington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
Outright, openly corrupt.
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50amWashington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
Outright, openly corrupt.
Also presumptive. He assumes he will still be President.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50amWashington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
I really don’t know what we’re going to do for entertainment around here once this bloke leaves office.
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50amWashington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
Outright, openly corrupt.
Also presumptive. He assumes he will still be President.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50amWashington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
I really don’t know what we’re going to do for entertainment around here once this bloke leaves office.
There, there.
Well still have the Daggiest Dad.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50amWashington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
I really don’t know what we’re going to do for entertainment around here once this bloke leaves office.
LOL
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50amWashington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
What are the tax breaks on hosting a G7 on your own property?
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50amWashington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
Outright, openly corrupt.
I am now fairly sure he goes to bed at night lamenting “what the fuck do I have to do to get thrown out of office?”
Dropbear said:
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50amWashington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
Outright, openly corrupt.
I am now fairly sure he goes to bed at night lamenting “what the fuck do I have to do to get thrown out of office?”
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50amWashington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
I really don’t know what we’re going to do for entertainment around here once this bloke leaves office.
I’ll still be around, never fear.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50amWashington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
I really don’t know what we’re going to do for entertainment around here once this bloke leaves office.
I’ll still be around, never fear.
Imagine if Trump isn’t the bottom of the barrel and they can get someone worse
Cymek said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:I really don’t know what we’re going to do for entertainment around here once this bloke leaves office.
I’ll still be around, never fear.
Imagine if Trump isn’t the bottom of the barrel and they can get someone worse
Cymek said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:I really don’t know what we’re going to do for entertainment around here once this bloke leaves office.
I’ll still be around, never fear.
Imagine if Trump isn’t the bottom of the barrel and they can get someone worse
Remember the “pee pee tapes”? I reckon that’s not the worst thing they have on him involving sex. Remember Epstein? Remember his NM ranch and an island and the NY apartment? Missing girls?
kii said:
Cymek said:
ChrispenEvan said:I’ll still be around, never fear.
Imagine if Trump isn’t the bottom of the barrel and they can get someone worse
Remember the “pee pee tapes”? I reckon that’s not the worst thing they have on him involving sex. Remember Epstein? Remember his NM ranch and an island and the NY apartment? Missing girls?
Yeah I wonder if the Russians have real nasty stuff on him, child sex type stuff and he’s compromise,d not overly obvious just little decisions here and there to weaken various alliances and allow Russian more influence in Europe to perhaps one day invade weakened NATO states.
Cymek said:
kii said:
Cymek said:Imagine if Trump isn’t the bottom of the barrel and they can get someone worse
Remember the “pee pee tapes”? I reckon that’s not the worst thing they have on him involving sex. Remember Epstein? Remember his NM ranch and an island and the NY apartment? Missing girls?
Yeah I wonder if the Russians have real nasty stuff on him, child sex type stuff and he’s compromise,d not overly obvious just little decisions here and there to weaken various alliances and allow Russian more influence in Europe to perhaps one day invade weakened NATO states.
Russia are already doing a great job at breaking up NATO. They’d split Turkey off from the rest, and they’ve been funding the Brexit Leave lobby groups who have almost got the thing over the line. The latter will all come out in a Royal Commission one day.
party_pants said:
Cymek said:
kii said:Remember the “pee pee tapes”? I reckon that’s not the worst thing they have on him involving sex. Remember Epstein? Remember his NM ranch and an island and the NY apartment? Missing girls?
Yeah I wonder if the Russians have real nasty stuff on him, child sex type stuff and he’s compromise,d not overly obvious just little decisions here and there to weaken various alliances and allow Russian more influence in Europe to perhaps one day invade weakened NATO states.
Russia are already doing a great job at breaking up NATO. They’d split Turkey off from the rest, and they’ve been funding the Brexit Leave lobby groups who have almost got the thing over the line. The latter will all come out in a Royal Commission one day.
Yes, imagine a compromised US president though, what a bonus to use a proxy bully for the Russians
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/17/politics/mick-mulvaney-quid-pro-quo-donald-trump-ukraine-aid/index.html
Mulvaney undercuts Trump’s quid pro quo denial
White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney made a stunning admission Thursday by confirming that President Donald Trump froze nearly $400 million in US security aid to Ukraine in part to pressure that country into investigating Democrats.
Hours later, Mulvaney then denied ever saying those words.
The dramatic admission came during an afternoon news conference where Mulvaney insisted that he knew only of a US request to investigate the handling of a Democratic National Committee server hacked in the 2016 election, but text messages between US diplomats show efforts to get Ukraine to commit to an investigation into Burisma, the company on whose board former Vice President Joe Biden’s son sat. There is no evidence of wrongdoing in Ukraine by either Biden.
“That’s why we held up the money,” Mulvaney said after listing the 2016-related investigation and Trump’s broader concerns about corruption in Ukraine.
After weeks during which Trump denied the existence of any political quid pro quo in his withholding of security aid to Ukraine, Mulvaney confirmed the existence of a quid pro quo and offered this retort: “Get over it.”
“We do that all the time with foreign policy,” Mulvaney said of the influence of politics in the Trump administration.
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shit eh
Cymek said:
kii said:
Cymek said:Imagine if Trump isn’t the bottom of the barrel and they can get someone worse
Remember the “pee pee tapes”? I reckon that’s not the worst thing they have on him involving sex. Remember Epstein? Remember his NM ranch and an island and the NY apartment? Missing girls?
Yeah I wonder if the Russians have real nasty stuff on him, child sex type stuff and he’s compromise,d not overly obvious just little decisions here and there to weaken various alliances and allow Russian more influence in Europe to perhaps one day invade weakened NATO states.
Oh, FFS. The pee tapes – sheesh. The Mueller report spends about half a page on it and basically states that it was fake. As for child sex stuff, jaysus.
The guy’s a dangerous idiot, I get that, but just making shit up about him is fucking mindless.
party_pants said:
Cymek said:
kii said:Remember the “pee pee tapes”? I reckon that’s not the worst thing they have on him involving sex. Remember Epstein? Remember his NM ranch and an island and the NY apartment? Missing girls?
Yeah I wonder if the Russians have real nasty stuff on him, child sex type stuff and he’s compromise,d not overly obvious just little decisions here and there to weaken various alliances and allow Russian more influence in Europe to perhaps one day invade weakened NATO states.
Russia are already doing a great job at breaking up NATO. They’d split Turkey off from the rest, and they’ve been funding the Brexit Leave lobby groups who have almost got the thing over the line. The latter will all come out in a Royal Commission one day.
It’s pretty much already out there.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
kii said:Remember the “pee pee tapes”? I reckon that’s not the worst thing they have on him involving sex. Remember Epstein? Remember his NM ranch and an island and the NY apartment? Missing girls?
Yeah I wonder if the Russians have real nasty stuff on him, child sex type stuff and he’s compromise,d not overly obvious just little decisions here and there to weaken various alliances and allow Russian more influence in Europe to perhaps one day invade weakened NATO states.
Oh, FFS. The pee tapes – sheesh. The Mueller report spends about half a page on it and basically states that it was fake. As for child sex stuff, jaysus.
The guy’s a dangerous idiot, I get that, but just making shit up about him is fucking mindless.
Right. Facts immediately in evidence are damning enough.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
kii said:Remember the “pee pee tapes”? I reckon that’s not the worst thing they have on him involving sex. Remember Epstein? Remember his NM ranch and an island and the NY apartment? Missing girls?
Yeah I wonder if the Russians have real nasty stuff on him, child sex type stuff and he’s compromise,d not overly obvious just little decisions here and there to weaken various alliances and allow Russian more influence in Europe to perhaps one day invade weakened NATO states.
Oh, FFS. The pee tapes – sheesh. The Mueller report spends about half a page on it and basically states that it was fake. As for child sex stuff, jaysus.
The guy’s a dangerous idiot, I get that, but just making shit up about him is fucking mindless.
Do you reckon he’s so stupid that he has no insight into all the dangerous things he does to weaken world security or perhaps he’s being influenced to do so from others. The Russians have used similar tactics before, compromising information on people of power.
He does the opposite of what should be done at this time in human history.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
kii said:Remember the “pee pee tapes”? I reckon that’s not the worst thing they have on him involving sex. Remember Epstein? Remember his NM ranch and an island and the NY apartment? Missing girls?
Yeah I wonder if the Russians have real nasty stuff on him, child sex type stuff and he’s compromise,d not overly obvious just little decisions here and there to weaken various alliances and allow Russian more influence in Europe to perhaps one day invade weakened NATO states.
Oh, FFS. The pee tapes – sheesh. The Mueller report spends about half a page on it and basically states that it was fake. As for child sex stuff, jaysus.
The guy’s a dangerous idiot, I get that, but just making shit up about him is fucking mindless.
Ah, there he is.
As usual.
dv said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:Yeah I wonder if the Russians have real nasty stuff on him, child sex type stuff and he’s compromise,d not overly obvious just little decisions here and there to weaken various alliances and allow Russian more influence in Europe to perhaps one day invade weakened NATO states.
Oh, FFS. The pee tapes – sheesh. The Mueller report spends about half a page on it and basically states that it was fake. As for child sex stuff, jaysus.
The guy’s a dangerous idiot, I get that, but just making shit up about him is fucking mindless.
Right. Facts immediately in evidence are damning enough.
Exactly.
kii said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:Yeah I wonder if the Russians have real nasty stuff on him, child sex type stuff and he’s compromise,d not overly obvious just little decisions here and there to weaken various alliances and allow Russian more influence in Europe to perhaps one day invade weakened NATO states.
Oh, FFS. The pee tapes – sheesh. The Mueller report spends about half a page on it and basically states that it was fake. As for child sex stuff, jaysus.
The guy’s a dangerous idiot, I get that, but just making shit up about him is fucking mindless.
Ah, there he is.
As usual.
What?
dv said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:Yeah I wonder if the Russians have real nasty stuff on him, child sex type stuff and he’s compromise,d not overly obvious just little decisions here and there to weaken various alliances and allow Russian more influence in Europe to perhaps one day invade weakened NATO states.
Oh, FFS. The pee tapes – sheesh. The Mueller report spends about half a page on it and basically states that it was fake. As for child sex stuff, jaysus.
The guy’s a dangerous idiot, I get that, but just making shit up about him is fucking mindless.
Right. Facts immediately in evidence are damning enough.
Yes. So…no speculation is allowed around here?
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:Oh, FFS. The pee tapes – sheesh. The Mueller report spends about half a page on it and basically states that it was fake. As for child sex stuff, jaysus.
The guy’s a dangerous idiot, I get that, but just making shit up about him is fucking mindless.
Right. Facts immediately in evidence are damning enough.
Exactly.
I’m not saying its true but coverups of sickos in power is coming to light all the time now, makes you wonder who hasn’t been outed yet and what else has been hidden so those perpetrators can be used.
I’m a cynic so don’t really trust authority to do the right thing at all
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
dv said:Right. Facts immediately in evidence are damning enough.
Exactly.
I’m not saying its true but coverups of sickos in power is coming to light all the time now, makes you wonder who hasn’t been outed yet and what else has been hidden so those perpetrators can be used.
I’m a cynic so don’t really trust authority to do the right thing at all
Same. I will not be surprised if dead people are involved.
kii said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:Exactly.
I’m not saying its true but coverups of sickos in power is coming to light all the time now, makes you wonder who hasn’t been outed yet and what else has been hidden so those perpetrators can be used.
I’m a cynic so don’t really trust authority to do the right thing at all
Same. I will not be surprised if dead people are involved.
Plus how can we trust our governments who enforce law through the police and courts but don’t follow those laws themselves.
Examples like murder is wrong unless you are a government who can order the military to go to some nation, bomb it, kill thousands of civilians and if you call them out, you are wrong. Individuals get prosecuted for fraud but a politician who rorts the system rarely get a criminal charge against them. Just two examples of how trust on earth can you trust government.
Cymek said:
kii said:
Cymek said:I’m not saying its true but coverups of sickos in power is coming to light all the time now, makes you wonder who hasn’t been outed yet and what else has been hidden so those perpetrators can be used.
I’m a cynic so don’t really trust authority to do the right thing at all
Same. I will not be surprised if dead people are involved.
Plus how can we trust our governments who enforce law through the police and courts but don’t follow those laws themselves.
Examples like murder is wrong unless you are a government who can order the military to go to some nation, bomb it, kill thousands of civilians and if you call them out, you are wrong. Individuals get prosecuted for fraud but a politician who rorts the system rarely get a criminal charge against them. Just two examples of how trust on earth can you trust government.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/oct/15/zombie-debt-benefits-overpayment-poverty
It’s like Robodebt but moreso. So much of Australia’s current policy push is from the states.
As I keep on saying…I remember when pollies would get done for a colour tv or a teddy bear. Now they have months or years to declare their corruption …after they get caught.
Meanwhile there is the Indue card and Robodebt.
DGMW, I would not fall off my chair if it did turn out that Trump was using Epstein’s underage sex racket. He’s got a bit of general form in that area.
dv said:
DGMW, I would not fall off my chair if it did turn out that Trump was using Epstein’s underage sex racket. He’s got a bit of general form in that area.
Uh-huh.
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
kii said:Same. I will not be surprised if dead people are involved.
Plus how can we trust our governments who enforce law through the police and courts but don’t follow those laws themselves.
Examples like murder is wrong unless you are a government who can order the military to go to some nation, bomb it, kill thousands of civilians and if you call them out, you are wrong. Individuals get prosecuted for fraud but a politician who rorts the system rarely get a criminal charge against them. Just two examples of how trust on earth can you trust government.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/oct/15/zombie-debt-benefits-overpayment-poverty
It’s like Robodebt but moreso. So much of Australia’s current policy push is from the states.
As I keep on saying…I remember when pollies would get done for a colour tv or a teddy bear. Now they have months or years to declare their corruption …after they get caught.
Meanwhile there is the Indue card and Robodebt.
I truly wonder if even most democratic governments would prefer a quasi police state with high tech surveillance used to spy on people and then get rid of them if they are deemed a threat again the status quo. They are considered dangerous as they don’t like how things are.
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The suspicious Aloyious in me thinks that Trump is acting so obviously impeachable because he would rather resign and return to private life without the threat of criminal persucution of his illegal business business practices. I reckon most would consider it bad form to keep digging after a resignation. I OTOH think he should be tarred and feathered by congress to show that Trump like financial dealings can’t ever be a path to the White House.
A group of normal people brokered a ceasefire, during their deliberations there were no leaks or tweets.
When a deal was struck Trump, who wasn’t involved, jumped on Twitter and claimed victory and how he had saved a brazillion lives, many brazillion lives..
shakes head
Witty Rejoinder said:
The suspicious Aloyious in me thinks that Trump is acting so obviously impeachable because he would rather resign and return to private life without the threat of criminal persucution of his illegal business business practices. I reckon most would consider it bad form to keep digging after a resignation. I OTOH think he should be tarred and feathered by congress to show that Trump like financial dealings can’t ever be a path to the White House.
That supposes a level of intelligence and emotion.
I think he is just a fuckwit who couldn’t believe his dumb luck at getting elected, and is way out of his depth in the job. I don’t think retiring to private life is his thing.
There’s always fresh news
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vice-president-mike-pence-seeks-syria-ceasefire-turkey/story?id=66345538
Turkey contradicts Pence: “there’s no ceasefire “
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/fourth-defendant-in-giuliani-associates-case-arrested-at-new-york-airport/2019/10/16/2c3ea19e-f024-11e9-89eb-ec56cd414732_story.html
A fourth Giuliani associate has been arrested at the airport
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/15/770482694/wh-replaced-pro-ukraine-staff-with-three-amigos-congress-reportedly-told
White House replaced State Dept with ‘The Amigos’ for managing US/Ukraine relationship
The White House removed the core of its Ukraine policy team in the spring and replaced it with “three amigos” considered more reliable for the plan to pressure Kyiv, a senior U.S. diplomat was described as telling House investigators on Tuesday.
That’s according to the account Rep. Gerry Connolly, D-Va., gave to reporters about the closed-door deposition by George Kent, the deputy assistant secretary in the State Department’s European and Eurasian Bureau.
Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney organized the May 23 meeting at which the personnel moves were decided, according to Connolly’s description.
That conference yielded the crew described as the new “three amigos” assigned the Ukraine portfolio: Gordon Sondland, ambassador to the European Union; Kurt Volker, then an envoy to Ukraine for its peace negotiations; and Energy Secretary Rick Perry.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/james-mattis-mocks-donald-trump-overrated-general?CMP=soc_567
The former US defence secretary James Mattis has laughed off an insult hurled at him by Donald Trump.
Speaking at a New York charity event on Thursday, the day after the US president demeaned him as “the world’s most overrated general”, Mattis joked that he took it as a compliment.
“I’m not just an overrated general. I’m the greatest, the world’s most overrated,” he told diners at the annual Alfred E Smith Memorial Foundation dinner.
“I’m honoured to be considered that by Donald Trump because he also called Meryl Streep an overrated actress,” he said. “So I guess I’m the Meryl Streep of generals, and frankly that sounds pretty good to me.”
Trump lashed out at his former defence secretary on Wednesday during a contentious White House meeting with members of Congress.
The meeting was intended to be a bipartisan discussion of Trump’s decision to pull US forces from northern Syria, but it broke up after a testy exchange between Trump and Nancy Pelosi, the House Speaker.
Before the walkout, Trump disparaged Mattis, who had argued as defence secretary that US troops were needed in Syria to prevent a resurgence of Islamic State fighters.
Trump said Mattis was “the world’s most overrated general. You know why? He wasn’t tough enough.”
“I captured Isis,” Trump went on to say.
Mattis resigned last December after Trump said he intended to pull 2,000 American troops out of Syria. In his resignation letter, the retired Marine general told Trump he had “the right to have a secretary of defence whose views are better aligned with yours”.
Since then, he has largely refrained from publicly criticising the administration, saying he owed the commander-in-chief “a duty of silence”.
But he did save an insult for Trump at the gala.
“I earned my spurs on the battlefield … and Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor,” Mattis said.
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/james-mattis-mocks-donald-trump-overrated-general?CMP=soc_567The former US defence secretary James Mattis has laughed off an insult hurled at him by Donald Trump.
Speaking at a New York charity event on Thursday, the day after the US president demeaned him as “the world’s most overrated general”, Mattis joked that he took it as a compliment.
“I’m not just an overrated general. I’m the greatest, the world’s most overrated,” he told diners at the annual Alfred E Smith Memorial Foundation dinner.
“I’m honoured to be considered that by Donald Trump because he also called Meryl Streep an overrated actress,” he said. “So I guess I’m the Meryl Streep of generals, and frankly that sounds pretty good to me.”
Trump lashed out at his former defence secretary on Wednesday during a contentious White House meeting with members of Congress.
The meeting was intended to be a bipartisan discussion of Trump’s decision to pull US forces from northern Syria, but it broke up after a testy exchange between Trump and Nancy Pelosi, the House Speaker.
Before the walkout, Trump disparaged Mattis, who had argued as defence secretary that US troops were needed in Syria to prevent a resurgence of Islamic State fighters.
Trump said Mattis was “the world’s most overrated general. You know why? He wasn’t tough enough.”
“I captured Isis,” Trump went on to say.
Mattis resigned last December after Trump said he intended to pull 2,000 American troops out of Syria. In his resignation letter, the retired Marine general told Trump he had “the right to have a secretary of defence whose views are better aligned with yours”.
Since then, he has largely refrained from publicly criticising the administration, saying he owed the commander-in-chief “a duty of silence”.
But he did save an insult for Trump at the gala.
“I earned my spurs on the battlefield … and Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor,” Mattis said.
HEY… a heel spur really hurts you know.
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/james-mattis-mocks-donald-trump-overrated-general?CMP=soc_567The former US defence secretary James Mattis has laughed off an insult hurled at him by Donald Trump.
Speaking at a New York charity event on Thursday, the day after the US president demeaned him as “the world’s most overrated general”, Mattis joked that he took it as a compliment.
“I’m not just an overrated general. I’m the greatest, the world’s most overrated,” he told diners at the annual Alfred E Smith Memorial Foundation dinner.
“I’m honoured to be considered that by Donald Trump because he also called Meryl Streep an overrated actress,” he said. “So I guess I’m the Meryl Streep of generals, and frankly that sounds pretty good to me.”
Trump lashed out at his former defence secretary on Wednesday during a contentious White House meeting with members of Congress.
The meeting was intended to be a bipartisan discussion of Trump’s decision to pull US forces from northern Syria, but it broke up after a testy exchange between Trump and Nancy Pelosi, the House Speaker.
Before the walkout, Trump disparaged Mattis, who had argued as defence secretary that US troops were needed in Syria to prevent a resurgence of Islamic State fighters.
Trump said Mattis was “the world’s most overrated general. You know why? He wasn’t tough enough.”
“I captured Isis,” Trump went on to say.
Mattis resigned last December after Trump said he intended to pull 2,000 American troops out of Syria. In his resignation letter, the retired Marine general told Trump he had “the right to have a secretary of defence whose views are better aligned with yours”.
Since then, he has largely refrained from publicly criticising the administration, saying he owed the commander-in-chief “a duty of silence”.
But he did save an insult for Trump at the gala.
“I earned my spurs on the battlefield … and Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor,” Mattis said.
That last line should be what the Dems run on as that really cuts to the chase with Trump’s major demographic of support.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50amWashington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
I really don’t know what we’re going to do for entertainment around here once this bloke leaves office.
watch videos of him walking around in a cell?
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump awards next G-7 summit to his own Miami-area resort
By Toluse Olorunnipa and David A. Fahrenthold
October 18, 2019 — 4.50amWashington: US President Donald Trump has awarded the 2020 G-7 Summit of world leaders to his own private company, scheduling the summit for June at his Trump Doral golf resort outside Miami, the White House has announced.
I really don’t know what we’re going to do for entertainment around here once this bloke leaves office.
watch videos of him walking around in a cell?
We can only hope…
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:I really don’t know what we’re going to do for entertainment around here once this bloke leaves office.
watch videos of him walking around in a cell?
We can only hope…
This is what it is.
Maddow Explains Why Putin’s Russia Hacked The 2016 Election
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo8OJVzbuxI
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/hillary-clinton-hints-russia-is-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-as-third-party-candidate
Bloody hell. Clinton is delusional. She really has lost the plot. She is basically accusing a sitting member of congress and Major in the USA army of being a Russian plant.
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/hillary-clinton-hints-russia-is-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-as-third-party-candidateBloody hell. Clinton is delusional. She really has lost the plot. She is basically accusing a sitting member of congress and Major in the USA army of being a Russian plant.
Been reading too many Jack Reacher books?
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/hillary-clinton-hints-russia-is-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-as-third-party-candidateBloody hell. Clinton is delusional. She really has lost the plot. She is basically accusing a sitting member of congress and Major in the USA army of being a Russian plant.
I hate the Clintons as much as anybody, but I don’t think she said that at all.
Well, I didn’t actually read what she said, so she may have said that, but from what the article said she said, she seems to be saying that the Russians are promoting her candidacy as a way to improve Trump’s chances, which does not seem a preposterous claim at all.
I thought Gabbard’s response was a bit extreme though.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/hillary-clinton-hints-russia-is-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-as-third-party-candidateBloody hell. Clinton is delusional. She really has lost the plot. She is basically accusing a sitting member of congress and Major in the USA army of being a Russian plant.
I hate the Clintons as much as anybody, but I don’t think she said that at all.
Well, I didn’t actually read what she said, so she may have said that, but from what the article said she said, she seems to be saying that the Russians are promoting her candidacy as a way to improve Trump’s chances, which does not seem a preposterous claim at all.
I thought Gabbard’s response was a bit extreme though.
She stated that the Russians were grooming her. Whilst she didn’t mention her by name her spokesperson said when asked if it was about Gabbard “if the nesting doll fits”.
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/hillary-clinton-hints-russia-is-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-as-third-party-candidateBloody hell. Clinton is delusional. She really has lost the plot. She is basically accusing a sitting member of congress and Major in the USA army of being a Russian plant.
I think there is a zero point fuck chance of TG running as a third party candidate. The comments about being a Russian asset are beneath contempt.
I dare say Gabbard would now be vying for a vice presidential ticket at this point.
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/energy-department-subpoena-decline/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F
Energy Department won’t comply with impeachment subpoena
By Sarah Westwood and Rene Marsh, CNN
Updated at 2304 GMT (0704 HKT) October 18, 2019
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CNN’s Baldwin reacts to Trump’s claim of victory: It’s a total spin
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(CNN) — Assistant Secretary of Energy Melissa Burnison told the three committees involved in the House impeachment inquiry that the Energy Department is “unable to comply with your request for documents and communications at this time.”
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US Navy Adm. William McRaven, a retired Navy SEAL who oversaw the raid that took out Osama bin Laden in 2011, delivered a damning assessment of President Donald Trump’s time in office in a New York Times opinion column titled “Our Republic Is Under Attack From the President” on Thursday.
https://megaphone.upworthy.com/p/william-mcraven-trump
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/hillary-clinton-hints-russia-is-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-as-third-party-candidateBloody hell. Clinton is delusional. She really has lost the plot. She is basically accusing a sitting member of congress and Major in the USA army of being a Russian plant.
I hate the Clintons as much as anybody, but I don’t think she said that at all.
Well, I didn’t actually read what she said, so she may have said that, but from what the article said she said, she seems to be saying that the Russians are promoting her candidacy as a way to improve Trump’s chances, which does not seem a preposterous claim at all.
I thought Gabbard’s response was a bit extreme though.
She stated that the Russians were grooming her. Whilst she didn’t mention her by name her spokesperson said when asked if it was about Gabbard “if the nesting doll fits”.
OK she did say “grooming”, or at least the article said she said grooming.
Seems a poor choice of words.
I’m surprised that HC would choose words unwisely.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I hate the Clintons as much as anybody, but I don’t think she said that at all.
Well, I didn’t actually read what she said, so she may have said that, but from what the article said she said, she seems to be saying that the Russians are promoting her candidacy as a way to improve Trump’s chances, which does not seem a preposterous claim at all.
I thought Gabbard’s response was a bit extreme though.
She stated that the Russians were grooming her. Whilst she didn’t mention her by name her spokesperson said when asked if it was about Gabbard “if the nesting doll fits”.
OK she did say “grooming”, or at least the article said she said grooming.
Seems a poor choice of words.
I’m surprised that HC would choose words unwisely.
She hates progressives.
Former Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich says he’s now for impeaching Trump
Former Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich says he’s now for impeaching Trump
By Kaanita Iyer, CNN
Updated at 2036 GMT (0436 HKT) October 18, 2019
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Iowa family makes eerie discovery in basement
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CNN panel calls out Mulvaney for not remembering names
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Pelosi: Trump had ‘meltdown’ over my questions
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Rep. Elijah Cummings passes away at age 68
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‘Air of euphoria’ in Brussels as Brexit deal is agreed
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Family found living in small room, possibly for a decade
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State trooper saves driver seconds before train crash
02:30
Trump’s meeting with Dunn family took unexpected turn
02:39
Kasich calls for Trump’s impeachment
02:46
Trump called ceasefire ‘amazing.’ Video shows what’s really happening
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Man missing for a week found alive inside car
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Oracle Co-CEO Mark Hurd has died
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Clinton suggests Russians grooming Democrat for 2020
01:42
EMTs hospitalized after enduring separate medical crises
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Tropical system to strengthen on approach to Florida
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Son of ‘El Chapo’ at center of police shootout
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CNN panel calls out Mulvaney for not remembering names
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Pelosi: Trump had ‘meltdown’ over my questions
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Rep. Elijah Cummings passes away at age 68
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‘Air of euphoria’ in Brussels as Brexit deal is agreed
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Family found living in small room, possibly for a decade
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State trooper saves driver seconds before train crash
02:30
Trump’s meeting with Dunn family took unexpected turn
02:39
Kasich calls for Trump’s impeachment
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Trump called ceasefire ‘amazing.’ Video shows what’s really happening
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Man missing for a week found alive inside car
01:01
Oracle Co-CEO Mark Hurd has died
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Clinton suggests Russians grooming Democrat for 2020
01:42
EMTs hospitalized after enduring separate medical crises
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Tropical system to strengthen on approach to Florida
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Son of ‘El Chapo’ at center of police shootout
(CNN) — Former Ohio Gov. John Kasich said President Donald Trump should be impeached, a major switch for a former Republican presidential candidate who had previously said there was not enough evidence to impeach the President.
Kasich, who’s a CNN senior political commentator, told CNN’s Ana Cabrera Friday the “final straw” for him was White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney’s Thursday admission that military aid was withheld from Ukraine in order to pressure that country for investigations into Democrats.
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https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/kasich-calls-for-trump-impeachment/index.html
dv said:
Former Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich says he’s now for impeaching TrumpFormer Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich says he’s now for impeaching Trump
By Kaanita Iyer, CNN
Updated at 2036 GMT (0436 HKT) October 18, 2019
Play Video
01:10
Iowa family makes eerie discovery in basement
01:34
CNN panel calls out Mulvaney for not remembering names
03:18
Pelosi: Trump had ‘meltdown’ over my questions
00:52
Rep. Elijah Cummings passes away at age 68
01:33
‘Air of euphoria’ in Brussels as Brexit deal is agreed
00:53
Family found living in small room, possibly for a decade
01:15
State trooper saves driver seconds before train crash
02:30
Trump’s meeting with Dunn family took unexpected turn
02:39
Kasich calls for Trump’s impeachment
02:46
Trump called ceasefire ‘amazing.’ Video shows what’s really happening
00:43
Man missing for a week found alive inside car
01:01
Oracle Co-CEO Mark Hurd has died
02:24
Clinton suggests Russians grooming Democrat for 2020
01:42
EMTs hospitalized after enduring separate medical crises
01:39
Tropical system to strengthen on approach to Florida
00:40
Son of ‘El Chapo’ at center of police shootout
01:10
Iowa family makes eerie discovery in basement
01:34
CNN panel calls out Mulvaney for not remembering names
03:18
Pelosi: Trump had ‘meltdown’ over my questions
00:52
Rep. Elijah Cummings passes away at age 68
01:33
‘Air of euphoria’ in Brussels as Brexit deal is agreed
00:53
Family found living in small room, possibly for a decade
01:15
State trooper saves driver seconds before train crash
02:30
Trump’s meeting with Dunn family took unexpected turn
02:39
Kasich calls for Trump’s impeachment
02:46
Trump called ceasefire ‘amazing.’ Video shows what’s really happening
00:43
Man missing for a week found alive inside car
01:01
Oracle Co-CEO Mark Hurd has died
02:24
Clinton suggests Russians grooming Democrat for 2020
01:42
EMTs hospitalized after enduring separate medical crises
01:39
Tropical system to strengthen on approach to Florida
00:40
Son of ‘El Chapo’ at center of police shootout
(CNN) — Former Ohio Gov. John Kasich said President Donald Trump should be impeached, a major switch for a former Republican presidential candidate who had previously said there was not enough evidence to impeach the President.
Kasich, who’s a CNN senior political commentator, told CNN’s Ana Cabrera Friday the “final straw” for him was White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney’s Thursday admission that military aid was withheld from Ukraine in order to pressure that country for investigations into Democrats.
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https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/kasich-calls-for-trump-impeachment/index.html
What was in the basement?
01:10
Iowa family makes eerie discovery in basement
Is there nothing that he won’t stoop to?
I’m sorry, that was just terrible forumming. I’ll accept my punishment humbly.
sibeen said:
01:10Iowa family makes eerie discovery in basement
Is there nothing that he won’t stoop to?
I think that was the story about the family that found their basement floor covered in bloody water.. a run off from the business next door… the photos are neat.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:She stated that the Russians were grooming her. Whilst she didn’t mention her by name her spokesperson said when asked if it was about Gabbard “if the nesting doll fits”.
OK she did say “grooming”, or at least the article said she said grooming.
Seems a poor choice of words.
I’m surprised that HC would choose words unwisely.
She hates progressives.
“You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain.”
Is that a reasonable description of Clinton?
What is the corruption she embodies?
https://www.kxan.com/news/advocates-fear-mass-suicide-at-ice-facility-in-southern-nm/
dv said:
I’m sorry, that was just terrible forumming. I’ll accept my punishment humbly.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
I’m sorry, that was just terrible forumming. I’ll accept my punishment humbly.
You’re worse than Hitler.
The Rev Dodgson said:
“You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain.”
Is that a reasonable description of Clinton?
In the context of an extremely grave but fundamentally delusional attack on a Democratic congresswoman, it’s a colourful but apposite respons.
What is the corruption she embodies?
Whether or not any or all of the following items can be considered “corruption” would be a moot point, but a case can be made. Clinton received in aggregate tens of millions of dollars for speeches to Wall St in which she made promises that were opposed to public comments and comments she made to progressive groups. She hid transcripts of the speeches, lied about the contents, but they were leaked anyway. Her cosy relationship with Wall St, in the context of leading a party that many would be hoping would be leading the efforts to restrain Wall St, could be considered corruption. Her campaign relied on wealthy donors, contrasted to campaigns that depend on small donations, meaning she didn’t need to rely on grassroots support. During the 2016 Presidential election, she arranged for her followers in the DNC to interfere in the Primaries to her favour and against Bernie Sanders, including resource allocation, database access, and limiting candidate access in Nevada and California. Although not rising to the level of criminality, her use of her charity for travel and accommodation in manners that served her political ambitions could be considered iffy.
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
I’m sorry, that was just terrible forumming. I’ll accept my punishment humbly.
You’re worse than Hitler.
He wasn’t known for humbly accepting punishment. Just ask von Stauffenberg.
I’m the lowest of the low. I have to crane my neck to look up and see a maggot’s belly. My existence is an affront to the concept of evolution by natural selection.
kii said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
:)
Michael V said:
kii said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
:)
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
kii said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
:)
Those things blow not suck.
They blow but suck.
Gee I hated being put under one of them.
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
:)
Those things blow not suck.They blow but suck.
Gee I hated being put under one of them.
sarahs mum said:
They blow but suck.
Just like Trump himself.
Thunderstorming here.
Just the edge of it. It’s all up around Kingaroy.
Maddow for sm
https://youtu.be/a2SxmUb2ONU
Donald Trump’s policy in Syria has been criticised by one of his party’s most senior politicians.
In a Washington Post opinion piece, Mitch McConnell said fellow Republican Mr Trump’s troop withdrawal order combined with Turkey’s Syria assault was a “strategic nightmare”.
In his opinion piece in the Washington Post, Mr McConnell – as Senate majority leader one of the most senior members of Mr Trump’s Republican party – attacked the US troop withdrawal as a “grave strategic mistake”.
“The combination of a US pullback and the escalating Turkish-Kurdish hostilities is creating a strategic nightmare for our country,” he wrote. Even if the ceasefire held, the Turkish assault and US withdrawal had “set back” Washington’s fight against the Islamic State (IS) group.
Mr McConnell says the US “retreat” will allow both Russian and Iranian influence to grow in the region.
The Kentucky senator suggests using “both sticks and carrots to bring Turkey back in line while respecting its own legitimate security concerns”, as well as maintaining a “limited military presence” in Syria and work closely with allies in the Middle East “threatened by this chaos”.
Mr McConnell is the latest Republican to criticise the president over Syria. Senator Lindsey Graham – normally a staunch ally of Mr Trump’s – has vociferously opposed the administration’s troop withdrawal.
“A buffer zone is acceptable to the Kurds but a military occupation that displaces hundreds of thousands is not a safe zone,” Mr Graham said on Thursday after speaking to Kurdish forces. “It is ethnic cleansing.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50103605
dv said:
Maddow for sm
https://youtu.be/a2SxmUb2ONU
It’s like the mafia.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Maddow for sm
https://youtu.be/a2SxmUb2ONUIt’s like the mafia.
“It’s Friday right? It’s like the news… is like pureeing something in a blender with no lid on it.”
Conservative jurist and Fox News regular Andrew Napolitano has opined that Trump’s awarding of the G7 summit to his own resort is a breach of the emoluments clause of the Constitution.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/g7-doral-andrew-napolitano-emoluments-violation-trump_n_5da9057fe4b04c4d24e9a6d5?ri18n=true
dv said:
Conservative jurist and Fox News regular Andrew Napolitano has opined that Trump’s awarding of the G7 summit to his own resort is a breach of the emoluments clause of the Constitution.https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/g7-doral-andrew-napolitano-emoluments-violation-trump_n_5da9057fe4b04c4d24e9a6d5?ri18n=true
It’s like obeying the law is just something other people do.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Conservative jurist and Fox News regular Andrew Napolitano has opined that Trump’s awarding of the G7 summit to his own resort is a breach of the emoluments clause of the Constitution.https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/g7-doral-andrew-napolitano-emoluments-violation-trump_n_5da9057fe4b04c4d24e9a6d5?ri18n=true
It’s like obeying the law is just something other people do.
No, no, he’s got clearance for it:
https://youtu.be/dMt8qCl5fPk
Prove me wrong.
Donald Trump doesn’t exist. He’s just CGI, a twitter bot and a stunt double.
mollwollfumble said:
Prove me wrong.Donald Trump doesn’t exist. He’s just CGI, a twitter bot and a stunt double.
You’re just a figment of my imagination.
Donald Trump scraps plan to host G7 at his Doral resort, blaming ‘irrational hostility’
US president says media and Democrats forced him to ditch plan to award himself the opportunity to host summit
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/20/donald-trump-scraps-plan-to-host-g7-at-his-doral-resort-blaming-irrational-hostility
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump scraps plan to host G7 at his Doral resort, blaming ‘irrational hostility’
US president says media and Democrats forced him to ditch plan to award himself the opportunity to host summit
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/20/donald-trump-scraps-plan-to-host-g7-at-his-doral-resort-blaming-irrational-hostility
Even Fox News was telling him “This is plainly unconstitutional”
dv said:
Fox News host shreds the fuck out of Mick Mulvaney
Could it be that they’re starting to turn on the Donald?
Dropbear said:
dv said:
Fox News host shreds the fuck out of Mick Mulvaney
Could it be that they’re starting to turn on the Donald?
Trump has outlived his usefulness to people like Murdoch. He just a source of embarrassment to them now. They’re tired of trying to support him as his actions grow ever more dickheaded, and he seems to learn nothing at all from his blunders. It’s not like Trump has become more politically intelligent during his term in office – if anything, the opposite seems to be true, and supporting him requires increasing amounts of effort. He’s approaching ‘not-worth-it’ status.
Mulvaney is trying to hang on to his meal-ticket. Having been in Congress for some time, he should know how to be careful about what he says and how he says it, but he may have been hanging around with Trump for too long. He tried the old Trump tactic of denying that he did or said something, even when it was done/said right in front of the assembled media, and the record is there for all to see. It used to work for Trump because people would just say ‘well, that’s Donald’ and let it go. It’s now lost its veneer of quirky ingenuousness, and doesn’t work any more.

dv said:
Who have they secured the oil for?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Who have they secured the oil for?
themselves?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-turkey-had-to-clean-out-kurds-along-its-border/2019/10/17/a7ea8274-5201-4eb3-8119-7129425517ae_video.html
Listen to this lunatic. He’s saying people have been trying to get this outcome for ten years.
dv said:
In case I underplayed how dumb this is…
The Defence Secretary’s name is Mark Esper.
dv said:
In case I underplayed how dumb this is…
The Defence Secretary’s name is Mark Esper.
Happy, 538 have split their tracker into “Support the impeachment inquiry” and “Support impeachment and removal”.
Currently pegging at
Support impeachment inquiry: 52.3%
Do not support impeachment inquiry: 42.9%
DK: 4.8%
Support impeachment and removal: 48.2%
Do not support impeachment inquiry: 43.9%
DK: 7.9%
It makes sense that there are more “don’t know” for the latter question.
DJT held a 70 minute sit-down press conference. There were only 20 major falsehoods but some of them are … weird?
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/21/politics/fact-check-trump-cabinet-meeting-20-false/index.html
Some “highlights”
Barack Obama and Kim Jong Un
“But in the meantime, North Korea, I like Kim, he likes me. We get along. I respect him, he respects me. ‘You could end up in a war.’ President Obama told me that. He said, ‘The biggest problem, I don’t know how to solve it.’ He told me he doesn’t know how to solve it. I said, ‘Did you ever call him?’ ‘No.’ Actually, he tried 11 times. But the man on the other side, the gentleman on the other side, did not take his call. OK? Lack of respect. But he takes my call,’” Trump said.
Facts First: There is no apparent basis for the claim that Obama tried to call Kim Jong Un 11 times.
“This is a total fabrication. Trump is completely delusional, and it’s scary,” Susan Rice, who served as Obama’s national security adviser, said on Twitter in response to our tweet of Trump’s quote.
“We never called Kim,” Ben Rhodes, who served as Obama’s deputy national security adviser, told CNN.
Trump has previously claimed that Obama begged Kim for a meeting, another assertion for which there is no evidence.
The Iraq War
“If you remember, I didn’t want to go into Iraq. I was a civilian, so I had no power over it. But I always was speaking against going into Iraq,” Trump said.
Facts First: Trump did not publicly oppose the invasion of Iraq before it began. Trump was tentatively supportive of the war when radio host Howard Stern asked him in September 2002, “Are you for invading Iraq?” He responded: “Yeah, I guess so. I wish the first time it was done correctly.”
The Emoluments Clause
Trump attacked critics who said that holding a G7 summit at one of his resorts would violate the Constitution. He said: “You people with this phony Emoluments Clause.”
Facts First: There’s nothing phony about the Constitution’s prohibitions against the President receiving payments from foreign and domestic governments.
The deal with Turkey
“People have been trying to make this deal for years,” Trump said of his ceasefire agreement with Turkey.
Facts First: The President’s claim is baseless to the point of being nonsensical. The deal is a narrow agreement specifically tied to the Turkish offensive that followed Trump’s decision to withdraw US troops from a Kurdish-held region of northern Syria, not an agreement that resolves long-standing regional disputes. Further, Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush never sought to give Turkey anything like the concessionary terms of Trump’s deal.
The Ukraine scandal
The whistleblower’s account
“The whistleblower gave a false account,” Trump said. He also said the whistleblower’s account was “totally false.”
Facts First: The whistleblower’s account of Trump’s call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was largely accurate. In fact, the rough transcript released by Trump himself showed that the whistleblower’s three primary allegations about the call were correct or very close to correct.
The call document
Trump said, “… I released a transcription then by stenographers of the exact conversation I had.”
Facts First: The document released by the White House explicitly says, on the first page, that it is not an exact transcript of the call.
The whistleblower being ‘gone’
“You never hear, what happened to the whistleblower? They’re gone, because they’ve been discredited,” Trump said.
Facts First: There is no evidence that either the first whistleblower (who filed the complaint about Trump’s dealings with Ukraine) or the second whistleblower (whose lawyers say they have firsthand information corroborating claims made by the first whistleblower) are now somehow “gone,” let alone that they are “gone” because the first whistleblower was shown to be inaccurate.
The whistleblower and Adam Schiff
Trump said, “So was there actually an informant? Maybe the informant was Schiff. It could be shifty Schiff. In my opinion it’s possibly Schiff.”
Facts First: This is nonsensical. Schiff, a Democratic congressman and chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, did not have access to the internal White House information the whistleblower revealed; he could not have told the whistleblower about the contents of Trump’s phone call with Zelensky or other information the whistleblower reported. The whistleblower said information about the call came from “multiple White House officials with direct knowledge of the call.”
Who is paying the tariffs on China
Trump said the US is “taking in billions and billions of dollars in tariffs from China, and they’re eating the tariffs.”
Facts First: Americans make the actual tariff payments, and a bevy of economic studies has found that Americans are bearing the overwhelming majority of the tariff costs.
The length of the Syria mission
Trump said American troops were initially supposed to be in Syria for a mere “30 days.”
Facts First: There was never any specific timeline for the US military’s involvement in Syria, much less a timeline of only 30 days.
The troops being withdrawn from Syria
“We’re bringing our troops back home. I got elected on bringing our soldiers back home,” Trump said.
Facts First: He is not bringing the troops back home, at least not at the moment.
Trump has announced that “United States troops coming out of Syria will now redeploy and remain in the region to monitor the situation and prevent a repeat of 2014, when the neglected threat of ISIS raged across Syria and Iraq.” He has also announced that 1,800 more troops would be deployed to Saudi Arabia.
dv said:
DJT held a 70 minute sit-down press conference. There were only 20 major falsehoods but some of them are … weird?https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/21/politics/fact-check-trump-cabinet-meeting-20-false/index.html
Some “highlights”
Barack Obama and Kim Jong Un
“But in the meantime, North Korea, I like Kim, he likes me. We get along. I respect him, he respects me. ‘You could end up in a war.’ President Obama told me that. He said, ‘The biggest problem, I don’t know how to solve it.’ He told me he doesn’t know how to solve it. I said, ‘Did you ever call him?’ ‘No.’ Actually, he tried 11 times. But the man on the other side, the gentleman on the other side, did not take his call. OK? Lack of respect. But he takes my call,’” Trump said.
Facts First: There is no apparent basis for the claim that Obama tried to call Kim Jong Un 11 times.
“This is a total fabrication. Trump is completely delusional, and it’s scary,” Susan Rice, who served as Obama’s national security adviser, said on Twitter in response to our tweet of Trump’s quote.
“We never called Kim,” Ben Rhodes, who served as Obama’s deputy national security adviser, told CNN.
Trump has previously claimed that Obama begged Kim for a meeting, another assertion for which there is no evidence.The Iraq War
“If you remember, I didn’t want to go into Iraq. I was a civilian, so I had no power over it. But I always was speaking against going into Iraq,” Trump said.
Facts First: Trump did not publicly oppose the invasion of Iraq before it began. Trump was tentatively supportive of the war when radio host Howard Stern asked him in September 2002, “Are you for invading Iraq?” He responded: “Yeah, I guess so. I wish the first time it was done correctly.”The Emoluments Clause
Trump attacked critics who said that holding a G7 summit at one of his resorts would violate the Constitution. He said: “You people with this phony Emoluments Clause.”
Facts First: There’s nothing phony about the Constitution’s prohibitions against the President receiving payments from foreign and domestic governments.The deal with Turkey
“People have been trying to make this deal for years,” Trump said of his ceasefire agreement with Turkey.
Facts First: The President’s claim is baseless to the point of being nonsensical. The deal is a narrow agreement specifically tied to the Turkish offensive that followed Trump’s decision to withdraw US troops from a Kurdish-held region of northern Syria, not an agreement that resolves long-standing regional disputes. Further, Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush never sought to give Turkey anything like the concessionary terms of Trump’s deal.The Ukraine scandal
The whistleblower’s account
“The whistleblower gave a false account,” Trump said. He also said the whistleblower’s account was “totally false.”
Facts First: The whistleblower’s account of Trump’s call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was largely accurate. In fact, the rough transcript released by Trump himself showed that the whistleblower’s three primary allegations about the call were correct or very close to correct.The call document
Trump said, “… I released a transcription then by stenographers of the exact conversation I had.”
Facts First: The document released by the White House explicitly says, on the first page, that it is not an exact transcript of the call.The whistleblower being ‘gone’
“You never hear, what happened to the whistleblower? They’re gone, because they’ve been discredited,” Trump said.
Facts First: There is no evidence that either the first whistleblower (who filed the complaint about Trump’s dealings with Ukraine) or the second whistleblower (whose lawyers say they have firsthand information corroborating claims made by the first whistleblower) are now somehow “gone,” let alone that they are “gone” because the first whistleblower was shown to be inaccurate.The whistleblower and Adam Schiff
Trump said, “So was there actually an informant? Maybe the informant was Schiff. It could be shifty Schiff. In my opinion it’s possibly Schiff.”
Facts First: This is nonsensical. Schiff, a Democratic congressman and chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, did not have access to the internal White House information the whistleblower revealed; he could not have told the whistleblower about the contents of Trump’s phone call with Zelensky or other information the whistleblower reported. The whistleblower said information about the call came from “multiple White House officials with direct knowledge of the call.”Who is paying the tariffs on China
Trump said the US is “taking in billions and billions of dollars in tariffs from China, and they’re eating the tariffs.”
Facts First: Americans make the actual tariff payments, and a bevy of economic studies has found that Americans are bearing the overwhelming majority of the tariff costs.The length of the Syria mission
Trump said American troops were initially supposed to be in Syria for a mere “30 days.”
Facts First: There was never any specific timeline for the US military’s involvement in Syria, much less a timeline of only 30 days.The troops being withdrawn from Syria
“We’re bringing our troops back home. I got elected on bringing our soldiers back home,” Trump said.
Facts First: He is not bringing the troops back home, at least not at the moment.
Trump has announced that “United States troops coming out of Syria will now redeploy and remain in the region to monitor the situation and prevent a repeat of 2014, when the neglected threat of ISIS raged across Syria and Iraq.” He has also announced that 1,800 more troops would be deployed to Saudi Arabia.
So, to summarize, Trump held a press conference. He rehashed (only) 20 major falsehoods.
A good day, and one closer to the demise of the prick.
Bill Taylor, current US chargé d’affaires for Ukraine and former US ambassador to the Ukraine, has testified that he was told by Ambassador Sondland that Trump insisted that “everything” including security assistance depended on Ukraine’s investigation into Hunter Biden’s role at Bursima and into the Democratic National Committee’s activities in 2016. Sondland told Taylor that Trump wanted Zelensky “in a public box”, publically announcing the investigation so that he could not later back down from it.
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Senate Majority leader MItch McConnell has refuted Trump’s claim that McConnell ever told him that his Ukraine phone call was “perfect”.
Asked about Trump’s remarks, McConnell said, “We’ve not had any conversations on that subject.”
In a follow up question where he was asked if Trump was “lying” when he said McConnell told him the call was perfect, McConnell responded, “You have to ask him. I don’t recall any conversations with the President about that phone call.”
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-22-2019/index.html
Taylor’s opening statement has been loaded to WM. It’s worth looking at.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Opening_statement_of_Ambassador_William_B._Taylor.pdf
dv said:
Taylor’s opening statement has been loaded to WM. It’s worth looking at.https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Opening_statement_of_Ambassador_William_B._Taylor.pdf
Done. I fear it was too long a read for many but it give a nice overview.
Trump has something like $160 million in his campaign fund. The average donation is $44 and 98% of the donations are less than $200. He raised $125 million of this in the third quarter.
Anyone who thinks the Dems are a shoo in at next years election are probably deluding themselves.
sibeen said:
Trump has something like $160 million in his campaign fund. The average donation is $44 and 98% of the donations are less than $200. He raised $125 million of this in the third quarter.Anyone who thinks the Dems are a shoo in at next years election are probably deluding themselves.
I don’t think Donald is having a great time so not convinced he will run again, of course he might just to prove he wasn’t a fluke, but the dems need a better political platform than if you don’t vote for us then you are stupid.
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
Trump has something like $160 million in his campaign fund. The average donation is $44 and 98% of the donations are less than $200. He raised $125 million of this in the third quarter.Anyone who thinks the Dems are a shoo in at next years election are probably deluding themselves.
I don’t think Donald is having a great time so not convinced he will run again, of course he might just to prove he wasn’t a fluke, but the dems need a better political platform than if you don’t vote for us then you are stupid.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he is enjoying the fuck out of it.
sibeen said:
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
Trump has something like $160 million in his campaign fund. The average donation is $44 and 98% of the donations are less than $200. He raised $125 million of this in the third quarter.Anyone who thinks the Dems are a shoo in at next years election are probably deluding themselves.
I don’t think Donald is having a great time so not convinced he will run again, of course he might just to prove he wasn’t a fluke, but the dems need a better political platform than if you don’t vote for us then you are stupid.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he is enjoying the fuck out of it.
I guess it would be a huge ego hit, and no doubt he would enjoy that aspect, but it also imposes a discipline which he is not so good at.
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
Trump has something like $160 million in his campaign fund. The average donation is $44 and 98% of the donations are less than $200. He raised $125 million of this in the third quarter.Anyone who thinks the Dems are a shoo in at next years election are probably deluding themselves.
I don’t think Donald is having a great time so not convinced he will run again, of course he might just to prove he wasn’t a fluke, but the dems need a better political platform than if you don’t vote for us then you are stupid.
Donald will run again unless impeached.
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
AwesomeO said:I don’t think Donald is having a great time so not convinced he will run again, of course he might just to prove he wasn’t a fluke, but the dems need a better political platform than if you don’t vote for us then you are stupid.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he is enjoying the fuck out of it.
I guess it would be a huge ego hit, and no doubt he would enjoy that aspect, but it also imposes a discipline which he is not so good at.
He may stay in the White House as he can’t physically get out, pushing on the pull door or pulling on the push door
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
AwesomeO said:I don’t think Donald is having a great time so not convinced he will run again, of course he might just to prove he wasn’t a fluke, but the dems need a better political platform than if you don’t vote for us then you are stupid.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he is enjoying the fuck out of it.
I guess it would be a huge ego hit, and no doubt he would enjoy that aspect, but it also imposes a discipline which he is not so good at.
That made me remember when my mother would yell at my brother and he would just stand there and take it and occasionally smile.
sarahs mum said:
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
Trump has something like $160 million in his campaign fund. The average donation is $44 and 98% of the donations are less than $200. He raised $125 million of this in the third quarter.Anyone who thinks the Dems are a shoo in at next years election are probably deluding themselves.
I don’t think Donald is having a great time so not convinced he will run again, of course he might just to prove he wasn’t a fluke, but the dems need a better political platform than if you don’t vote for us then you are stupid.
Donald will run again unless impeached.
His Russian handler says “Da, otherwise Donald get the polonium”
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
Trump has something like $160 million in his campaign fund. The average donation is $44 and 98% of the donations are less than $200. He raised $125 million of this in the third quarter.Anyone who thinks the Dems are a shoo in at next years election are probably deluding themselves.
I don’t think Donald is having a great time so not convinced he will run again, of course he might just to prove he wasn’t a fluke, but the dems need a better political platform than if you don’t vote for us then you are stupid.
There’s also the care-factor among people like Murdoch and senior Republicans. They’re showing some signs of tiring of Trump’s antics and blustering, and they could severely hobble his chances of re-election, if they chose to. The party might choose not to endorse Trump (unlikely) or do what they can to prevent his re-election if they think they can get rid of him, and then a Democrat President after one term – rather than face another four years of Trumpery.
As for Murdoch, he’ll back who pleases him between now and then.
captain_spalding said:
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
Trump has something like $160 million in his campaign fund. The average donation is $44 and 98% of the donations are less than $200. He raised $125 million of this in the third quarter.Anyone who thinks the Dems are a shoo in at next years election are probably deluding themselves.
I don’t think Donald is having a great time so not convinced he will run again, of course he might just to prove he wasn’t a fluke, but the dems need a better political platform than if you don’t vote for us then you are stupid.
There’s also the care-factor among people like Murdoch and senior Republicans. They’re showing some signs of tiring of Trump’s antics and blustering, and they could severely hobble his chances of re-election, if they chose to. The party might choose not to endorse Trump (unlikely) or do what they can to prevent his re-election if they think they can get rid of him, and then a Democrat President after one term – rather than face another four years of Trumpery.
As for Murdoch, he’ll back who pleases him between now and then.
There has been shutting down of Republican primaries happening…
.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
AwesomeO said:I don’t think Donald is having a great time so not convinced he will run again, of course he might just to prove he wasn’t a fluke, but the dems need a better political platform than if you don’t vote for us then you are stupid.
There’s also the care-factor among people like Murdoch and senior Republicans. They’re showing some signs of tiring of Trump’s antics and blustering, and they could severely hobble his chances of re-election, if they chose to. The party might choose not to endorse Trump (unlikely) or do what they can to prevent his re-election if they think they can get rid of him, and then a Democrat President after one term – rather than face another four years of Trumpery.
As for Murdoch, he’ll back who pleases him between now and then.
There has been shutting down of Republican primaries happening…
.
Probably because they really are a waste of time. If impeachment gets up then there’ll be a huge scramble but that’s very unlikely.
Good news, everyone! The State Department investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email practices has concluded, finding “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”.
The investigation commenced in July 2015, and I’m glad they wrapped it up promptly. I was worried that if it dragged into 2016 it might influence the election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/politics/state-dept-inquiry-clinton-emails.html
dv said:
Good news, everyone! The State Department investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email practices has concluded, finding “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”.
The investigation commenced in July 2015, and I’m glad they wrapped it up promptly. I was worried that if it dragged into 2016 it might influence the election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/politics/state-dept-inquiry-clinton-emails.html
As soon as the Dems get control of the House they let crooked Hilary go.
shakes head
sibeen said:
Trump has something like $160 million in his campaign fund. The average donation is $44 and 98% of the donations are less than $200. He raised $125 million of this in the third quarter.Anyone who thinks the Dems are a shoo in at next years election are probably deluding themselves.
Quite. It’s a year off, anything could happen.
The betting markets are paying about $2.20 to $2.30 for the Trump win, and that feels about right to me.
dv said:
Good news, everyone! The State Department investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email practices has concluded, finding “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”.
The investigation commenced in July 2015, and I’m glad they wrapped it up promptly. I was worried that if it dragged into 2016 it might influence the election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/politics/state-dept-inquiry-clinton-emails.html
But have you read the whole report?
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
AwesomeO said:I don’t think Donald is having a great time so not convinced he will run again, of course he might just to prove he wasn’t a fluke, but the dems need a better political platform than if you don’t vote for us then you are stupid.
There’s also the care-factor among people like Murdoch and senior Republicans. They’re showing some signs of tiring of Trump’s antics and blustering, and they could severely hobble his chances of re-election, if they chose to. The party might choose not to endorse Trump (unlikely) or do what they can to prevent his re-election if they think they can get rid of him, and then a Democrat President after one term – rather than face another four years of Trumpery.
As for Murdoch, he’ll back who pleases him between now and then.
There has been shutting down of Republican primaries happening…
.
He’s still polling in the mid 80s there. Still it will be interesting to see how much protest vote there is.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Good news, everyone! The State Department investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email practices has concluded, finding “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”.
The investigation commenced in July 2015, and I’m glad they wrapped it up promptly. I was worried that if it dragged into 2016 it might influence the election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/politics/state-dept-inquiry-clinton-emails.html
But have you read the whole report?
Sorry, Rev, give me a moment, I’ve just seen this news.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Good news, everyone! The State Department investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email practices has concluded, finding “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”.
The investigation commenced in July 2015, and I’m glad they wrapped it up promptly. I was worried that if it dragged into 2016 it might influence the election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/politics/state-dept-inquiry-clinton-emails.html
But have you read the whole report?
Sorry, Rev, give me a moment, I’ve just seen this news.
Just relax and breathe into a paper bag.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Good news, everyone! The State Department investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email practices has concluded, finding “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”.
The investigation commenced in July 2015, and I’m glad they wrapped it up promptly. I was worried that if it dragged into 2016 it might influence the election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/politics/state-dept-inquiry-clinton-emails.html
That’s OK.
As long as we have a detailed report this time tomorrow.
But have you read the whole report?
Sorry, Rev, give me a moment, I’ve just seen this news.
On Monday, both Reuters and the Washington Post reported that Giuliani received $500,000 from a company founded by a man at the center of a scheme to funnel foreign payments to Republican groups, including the pro-Trump super PAC “America First Action,” in 2018.
The company in question has the unfortunate name of Fraud Guarantee and was founded by Lev Parnas, a Ukrainian American associate of Giuliani’s who was arrested with Igor Fruman (another Giuliani associate) last week. Both men were charged with making false disclosures related to hundreds of thousands of dollars of political contributions that were meant to conceal their foreign origins. As my colleague Andrew Prokop wrote, Parnas and Fruman are often described as “fixers” for Giuliani, and the three men collaborated in a successful effort to oust the then-US ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, amid the Trump administration’s efforts to cajole the new Ukrainian government to investigate the Bidens.
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The name of the company is Fraud Guarantee?
President Trump just announced that sanctions on Turkey have been lifted.
“I have, therefore, instructed the Secretary of the Treasury to lift all sanctions imposed October 14th in response to Turkey’s original offensive moves against the Kurds,” Trump said moments ago.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/laura-cooper-pentagon-official-overseeing-ukraine-testifies-impeachment-inquiry-n1070586
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Republicans storm secure room, delaying Pentagon official’s impeachment deposition
Laura Cooper was expected to face questions about the Trump administration’s decision to temporarily withhold military assistance to Ukraine over the summer.
Laura Cooper, deputy assistant to the secretary of defense, arrives for a deposition at the Capitol on Oct. 23, 2019.Tom Williams / CQ-Roll Call
Oct. 23, 2019, 11:11 PM AWST
By Alex Moe and Rebecca Shabad
WASHINGTON — A group of House Republicans stormed a secure room where testimony is being heard in the impeachment inquiry on Wednesday, delaying the start of closed-door testimony by Laura Cooper, the top Pentagon official overseeing U.S. policy regarding Ukraine.
Led by Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., the GOP members — who don’t sit on the committees that are questioning witnesses in the impeachment inquiry — entered the secure room, known as a SCIF, in the basement of the Capitol Visitor’s Center. Before entering, they protested Democrats’ handling of the probe, arguing that the process was not fair to Republicans or the president.
House rules only allow members to participate in depositions if they serve on the committees.
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., told reporters that there were approximately 20 GOP members in the room who refused to leave, and said that they came into the secure room yelling that they be allowed inside. Some of these members brought their cellphones, which are not permitted.
Morning everyone.
Not satire
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/467201-trump-says-us-is-building-a-wall-in-colorado
“You know why we’re going to win New Mexico? Because they want safety on their border. And they didn’t have it,” Trump said during a speech at the Shale Insight conference in Pittsburgh.
“And we’re building a wall on the border of New Mexico,” he continued. “And we’re building a wall in Colorado. We’re building a beautiful wall, a big one that really works that you can’t get over, you can’t get under.”
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narrator: Colorado is not near the border
But colorado seems to have a border with new mexico. Maybe he thinks new mexico is part of mexico and he is building a border around it…
dv said:
Not satirehttps://thehill.com/homenews/administration/467201-trump-says-us-is-building-a-wall-in-colorado
“You know why we’re going to win New Mexico? Because they want safety on their border. And they didn’t have it,” Trump said during a speech at the Shale Insight conference in Pittsburgh.
“And we’re building a wall on the border of New Mexico,” he continued. “And we’re building a wall in Colorado. We’re building a beautiful wall, a big one that really works that you can’t get over, you can’t get under.”
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narrator: Colorado is not near the border
It has a border with New Mexico.
Presumably Mexico is going to be given New Mexico in return for paying for the wall.
I guess he’d rather be in Colorado.
dv said:
Not satirehttps://thehill.com/homenews/administration/467201-trump-says-us-is-building-a-wall-in-colorado
“You know why we’re going to win New Mexico? Because they want safety on their border. And they didn’t have it,” Trump said during a speech at the Shale Insight conference in Pittsburgh.
“And we’re building a wall on the border of New Mexico,” he continued. “And we’re building a wall in Colorado. We’re building a beautiful wall, a big one that really works that you can’t get over, you can’t get under.”
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narrator: Colorado is not near the border
Sheesh I think the narrator is being a bit picky there and has no understanding of history.
What Trump was probably alluding to and what the arseclown narrator failed to comprehend was the history of walls and defences. He was more than likely alluding to the Maginot Line that once the German refugees breached the whole edifice collapsed. What we need is leaders who are cogent of history and the imperative of having fallback defences and walls.
Walls that you cant get over or for that matter under.
dv said:
Not satirehttps://thehill.com/homenews/administration/467201-trump-says-us-is-building-a-wall-in-colorado
“You know why we’re going to win New Mexico? Because they want safety on their border. And they didn’t have it,” Trump said during a speech at the Shale Insight conference in Pittsburgh.
“And we’re building a wall on the border of New Mexico,” he continued. “And we’re building a wall in Colorado. We’re building a beautiful wall, a big one that really works that you can’t get over, you can’t get under.”
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narrator: Colorado is not near the border
Gosh!
Colorado seems a nice place to live, according to what I read on Wikipedia.
Divine Angel said:
Colorado seems a nice place to live, according to what I read on Wikipedia.
It is in the USA.
Divine Angel said:
Colorado seems a nice place to live, according to what I read on Wikipedia.
better go visit now before they build a wall around it.
John Denver ~ I Guess He’d Rather Be In Colorado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Aup7mSSN0
I visualise rumps Presidency as a movie.
An outback western with a steam locomotive.
Some of the carriages are on fire, lots of smoke, shooting and yelling, dead bodies all over the place, bridge up ahead may be out due to a sudden storm.
Trumps Presidency
Per the fivethirtyeight tracker, approval of DJT has fallen to its lowest level since he shut down the government in Dec 2018 to extort money for his wall. The approval average is 40.8%, disapproval 54.4.

dv said:
He’s saying lots of words and waving his arms around, he does this every day, with spontaneous tantrums.
One day it will stop.
Some people will have a beer to celebrate.
I will be one of them.
Tim Morrison, a top Russia and Europe adviser on President Donald Trump’s National Security Council, is expected to testify before House impeachment investigators next week and corroborate key elements of a top US diplomat’s account that Trump was pressing for Ukraine to publicly announce investigations into the Bidens before he would greenlight US security assistance, according to sources.
Bill Taylor, the top US diplomat in Ukraine, said in extraordinary testimony on Tuesday that Trump pushed for Ukraine to publicly announce investigations, including one into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, using as leverage the military aid the country sought to fight back against Russian aggression.
Morrison’s testimony is expected to be significant because he is a current White House official whose name was cited 15 times in Taylor’s opening statement, which Democrats view as damning for Trump.
Morrison also listened to the July 25 call between Trump and the Ukrainian leader, CNN reported earlier this month. His testimony would be the first from someone who heard the call directly. A transcript of the call was released by the White House but was not a full verbatim.
But two sources also tell CNN that Morrison will contend that he didn’t see anything wrong with what the Trump administration did, while one of the sources said there will be “nuance” over what Morrison intends to say.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/24/politics/white-house-official-impeachment-inquiry-testimony/index.html
https://www.vox.com/2019/10/23/20928680/nothing-could-be-done-trump-fifth-avenue-immunity-mazars-vance
Trump’s lawyer: If Trump shoots someone on 5th Avenue, “nothing could be done”
Trump’s lawyer just told a federal appeals court that a sitting president is above the law.
President Trump’s lawyer argued in court on Wednesday that he should, as president, be immune from criminal prosecution — even if he murders someone in broad daylight with a gun.
The argument was made as part of Trump v. Vance, a case asking whether Manhattan prosecutors can subpoena Trump’s tax records as part of an ongoing criminal investigation. In the case, as Judge Victor Marrero explained in an opinion, Trump’s lawyers argued that “the person who serves as President, while in office, enjoys absolute immunity from criminal process of any kind.” (Marrero rejected that argument.)
On Wednesday, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit heard Trump’s appeal of Marrero’s decision. During that hearing, Trump lawyer William Consovoy confirmed just how far his argument goes. In response to a question by appellate Judge Denny Chin, Consovoy argued that Trump is immune from criminal investigation even if he were to shoot someone on Manhattan’s Fifth Avenue:
Consovoy did concede that “once a president is removed from office” then he could be subject to criminal investigation. “This is not a permanent immunity,” in Consovoy’s words.
Nevertheless, when Chin asked whether “nothing could be done” while Trump remains in office, Consovoy stated, “That is correct.”
There is a chance that William Consovoy is an idiot.
Consovoy did concede that “once a president is removed from office” then he could be subject to criminal investigation. “This is not a permanent immunity,” in Consovoy’s words.
I’m getting too old for this shit, but I have to say it


sibeen said:
There is a chance that William Consovoy is an idiot.
Or that he is right, and the founding fathers just never considered it would be a likely scenario that a president would ever do a blatant criminal act (or omission).
One thing is that none of the Republicans are going after William Taylor (except for DJT himself): they’re going after the process but not refuting the content.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
There is a chance that William Consovoy is an idiot.
Or that he is right, and the founding fathers just never considered it would be a likely scenario that a president would ever do a blatant criminal act (or omission).
Considering the many checks and balances it is obvious they trusted no one.
AwesomeO said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
There is a chance that William Consovoy is an idiot.
Or that he is right, and the founding fathers just never considered it would be a likely scenario that a president would ever do a blatant criminal act (or omission).
Considering the many checks and balances it is obvious they trusted no one.
It would appear that the Consovoy opinion is not a common one but it does seem to be a legal grey area and maybe after all this blows over they should take a look that…
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/10/25/citing-potentially-impeachable-conduct-by-trump-judge-orders-release-of-mueller-records/#58eca6e257cd
In a major victory for House Democrats pursuing an impeachment inquiry into President Trump, a federal judge ruled Friday the Justice Department must hand over redacted grand jury materials from Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation, citing “potentially impeachable conduct by the President.
dv said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/10/25/citing-potentially-impeachable-conduct-by-trump-judge-orders-release-of-mueller-records/#58eca6e257cdIn a major victory for House Democrats pursuing an impeachment inquiry into President Trump, a federal judge ruled Friday the Justice Department must hand over redacted grand jury materials from Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation, citing “potentially impeachable conduct by the President.
Sets countdown timers.
dv said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/10/25/citing-potentially-impeachable-conduct-by-trump-judge-orders-release-of-mueller-records/#58eca6e257cdIn a major victory for House Democrats pursuing an impeachment inquiry into President Trump, a federal judge ruled Friday the Justice Department must hand over redacted grand jury materials from Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation, citing “potentially impeachable conduct by the President.
Can Trump appeal that ruling in the (now conservative) Supreme Court?
Michael V said:
dv said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/10/25/citing-potentially-impeachable-conduct-by-trump-judge-orders-release-of-mueller-records/#58eca6e257cdIn a major victory for House Democrats pursuing an impeachment inquiry into President Trump, a federal judge ruled Friday the Justice Department must hand over redacted grand jury materials from Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation, citing “potentially impeachable conduct by the President.
Can Trump appeal that ruling in the (now conservative) Supreme Court?
The administration can appeal but it won’t, in the first instance, go to the SC
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rudy-giuliani-butt-dials-nbc-reporter-heard-discussing-need-cash-n1071901
Giuliani butt-dialled a reporter:
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Rudy Giuliani butt-dials NBC reporter, heard discussing need for cash and trashing Bidens
“The problem is we need some money,” Giuliani says to an unidentified man during an accidental call to NBC News writer.
Oct. 16 accidental call: Giuliani talks business interest in Bahrain
Oct. 26, 2019, 2:42 AM AWST / Updated Oct. 26, 2019, 6:16 AM AWST
By Rich Schapiro
Late in the night Oct. 16, Rudy Giuliani made a phone call to this reporter.
The fact that Giuliani was reaching out wasn’t remarkable. He and the reporter had spoken earlier that evening for a story about his ties to a fringe Iranian opposition group.
But this call, it would soon become clear, wasn’t a typical case of a source following up with a reporter.
The call came in at 11:07 p.m. and went to voicemail; the reporter was asleep.
The next morning, a message exactly three minutes long was sitting in the reporter’s voicemail. In the recording, the words tumbling out of Giuliani’s mouth were not directed at the reporter. He was speaking to someone else, someone in the same room.
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Giuliani can be heard discussing overseas dealings and lamenting the need for cash, though it’s difficult to discern the full context of the conversation.
Sept. 28 accidental call: Giuliani talks Joe Biden, son Hunter
The call appeared to be one of the most unfortunate of faux pas: what is known, in casual parlance, as a butt dial.
And it wasn’t the first time it had happened.
“You know,” Giuliani says at the start of the recording. “Charles would have a hard time with a fraud case ‘cause he didn’t do any due diligence.”
It wasn’t clear who Charles is, or who may have been implicated in a fraud. In fact, much of the message’s first minute is difficult to comprehend, in part because the voice of the other man in the conversation is muffled and barely intelligible.
But then, Giuliani says something that’s crystal clear.
“Let’s get back to business.”
He goes on.
“I gotta get you to get on Bahrain.”
Giuliani is well-connected in the kingdom of Bahrain.
NBC News reporter recounts moment he realized Giuliani butt-dialed him
Last December, he visited the Persian Gulf nation and had a one-on-one meeting with King Hamad Bin Isa al-Khalifa in the royal palace. “King receives high-level U.S. delegation,” read the headline of the state-run Bahrain News Agency blurb about the visit.
Giuliani runs a security consulting company, but it’s not clear why he would have a meeting with Bahrain’s king. Was he acting in his capacity as a consultant? As Trump’s lawyer? Or as an international fixer running a shadow foreign policy for the president?
In May, Giuliani told the Daily Beast his firm had signed a deal with Bahrain to advise its police force on counterterrorism measures. But the Bahrain News Agency account of the meeting suggested Giuliani was viewed more like an ambassador than a security consultant. “HM the King praised the longstanding Bahraini-U.S. relations, noting keenness of the two countries to constantly develop them,” it said.
The voicemail yielded no details about the meeting. But Giuliani can be heard telling the man that he’s “got to call Robert again tomorrow.”
“Is Robert around?” Giuliani asks.
“He’s in Turkey,” the man responds.
Giuliani replies instantly. “The problem is we need some money.”
The two men then go silent. Nine seconds pass. No word is spoken. Then Giuliani chimes in again.
“We need a few hundred thousand,” he says.
It’s unclear what the two men were talking about. But Giuliani is known to have worked with a Robert who has ties to Turkey.
His name is Robert Mangas, and he’s a lawyer at the firm Greenberg Traurig LLP, as well as a registered agent of the Turkish government.
Giuliani himself was employed by Greenberg Traurig until about May 2018.
Mangas provided an affidavit in the case of Reza Zarrab, a Turkish gold trader charged in the United States with laundering Iranian money in a scheme to evade American sanctions.
Trumps smartphone could be butt dialing random people as well.
and
no one is even realizing it.
Trump-Loving MLB Umpire Who Threatened Civil War Runs Christian Ministry
October 25, 2019 by Michael Stone
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Foul Ball: Rob Drake, the MLB umpire who threatened to get a gun and start a civil war if Trump is impeached, is the co-founder of a Christian ministry.
The Major League Baseball (MLB) umpire made headlines earlier this week after he promised to buy “an AR-15” in preparation for a civil war if Trump is impeached. Drake tweeted:
I will be buying an AR-15 tomorrow, because if you impeach MY PRESIDENT this way, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER CIVAL WAR!!! #MAGA2020https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2019/10/trump-loving-mlb-umpire-who-threatened-civil-war-runs-christian-ministry/
But now he says he is very sorry.
sarahs mum said:
Trump-Loving MLB Umpire Who Threatened Civil War Runs Christian Ministry
October 25, 2019 by Michael Stone
7 CommentsFoul Ball: Rob Drake, the MLB umpire who threatened to get a gun and start a civil war if Trump is impeached, is the co-founder of a Christian ministry.
The Major League Baseball (MLB) umpire made headlines earlier this week after he promised to buy “an AR-15” in preparation for a civil war if Trump is impeached. Drake tweeted:
I will be buying an AR-15 tomorrow, because if you impeach MY PRESIDENT this way, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER CIVAL WAR!!! #MAGA2020https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2019/10/trump-loving-mlb-umpire-who-threatened-civil-war-runs-christian-ministry/
But now he says he is very sorry.
Interesting how a lot of far righties throw away law
sarahs mum said:
Trump-Loving MLB Umpire Who Threatened Civil War Runs Christian Ministry
October 25, 2019 by Michael Stone
7 CommentsFoul Ball: Rob Drake, the MLB umpire who threatened to get a gun and start a civil war if Trump is impeached, is the co-founder of a Christian ministry.
The Major League Baseball (MLB) umpire made headlines earlier this week after he promised to buy “an AR-15” in preparation for a civil war if Trump is impeached. Drake tweeted:
I will be buying an AR-15 tomorrow, because if you impeach MY PRESIDENT this way, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER CIVAL WAR!!! #MAGA2020https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2019/10/trump-loving-mlb-umpire-who-threatened-civil-war-runs-christian-ministry/
But now he says he is very sorry.
Has he also learnt to spell “civil”?
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:Trump-Loving MLB Umpire Who Threatened Civil War Runs Christian Ministry
October 25, 2019 by Michael Stone
7 CommentsFoul Ball: Rob Drake, the MLB umpire who threatened to get a gun and start a civil war if Trump is impeached, is the co-founder of a Christian ministry.
The Major League Baseball (MLB) umpire made headlines earlier this week after he promised to buy “an AR-15” in preparation for a civil war if Trump is impeached. Drake tweeted:
I will be buying an AR-15 tomorrow, because if you impeach MY PRESIDENT this way, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER CIVAL WAR!!! #MAGA2020https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2019/10/trump-loving-mlb-umpire-who-threatened-civil-war-runs-christian-ministry/
But now he says he is very sorry.
Interesting how a lot of far righties throw away law
Sounds like some of types give themselves emotional trauma, over riding social norms.
dv said:
:)
dv said:
Perhaps they’re both wrong.
President Donald Trump is disputing that former White House chief of staff John Kelly warned the President before he left the White House last year not to hire a replacement who wouldn’t tell him the truth or that he would be impeached.
Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, made the comments during an interview at the Sea Island Summit political conference hosted by the Washington Examiner this weekend.
Kelly said if he had stayed on as chief of staff Trump wouldn’t be in the midst of the current impeachment inquiry, implying that White House advisers could have prevented it.
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“I said, whatever you do — and we were still in the process of trying to find someone to take my place — I said whatever you do, don’t hire a ‘yes man,’ someone who won’t tell you the truth — don’t do that,” Kelly said. “Because if you do, I believe you will be impeached.”
Trump weighed in Saturday on Kelly’s interview with the Washington Examiner, saying in a statement to CNN, “John Kelly never said that, he never said anything like that. If he would have said that I would have thrown him out of the office. He just wants to come back into the action like everybody else does.”
White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham added, “I worked with John Kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President.”
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/26/politics/john-kelly-trump-yes-man/index.html
That last line is gold. Sometimes I feel that I too an unequipped to handle Trump’s genius.
Here he is ranting about the fact that he couldn’t hold the G7 at his resort
https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-phony-emoluments-clause-g7-summit-44369ec1-d0ad-42a3-89f8-df6067ee48b8.html
“ you people with this phony emoluments clause”
Not sure how he worked out that part of the constitution was phony but okay.
dv said:
Here he is ranting about the fact that he couldn’t hold the G7 at his resorthttps://www.axios.com/donald-trump-phony-emoluments-clause-g7-summit-44369ec1-d0ad-42a3-89f8-df6067ee48b8.html
“ you people with this phony emoluments clause”
Not sure how he worked out that part of the constitution was phony but okay.
Trump must be irritated with his imaginary abacus again.
dv said:
President Donald Trump is disputing that former White House chief of staff John Kelly warned the President before he left the White House last year not to hire a replacement who wouldn’t tell him the truth or that he would be impeached.Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, made the comments during an interview at the Sea Island Summit political conference hosted by the Washington Examiner this weekend.
Kelly said if he had stayed on as chief of staff Trump wouldn’t be in the midst of the current impeachment inquiry, implying that White House advisers could have prevented it.
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“I said, whatever you do — and we were still in the process of trying to find someone to take my place — I said whatever you do, don’t hire a ‘yes man,’ someone who won’t tell you the truth — don’t do that,” Kelly said. “Because if you do, I believe you will be impeached.”Trump weighed in Saturday on Kelly’s interview with the Washington Examiner, saying in a statement to CNN, “John Kelly never said that, he never said anything like that. If he would have said that I would have thrown him out of the office. He just wants to come back into the action like everybody else does.”
White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham added, “I worked with John Kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President.”
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/26/politics/john-kelly-trump-yes-man/index.html
That last line is gold. Sometimes I feel that I too an unequipped to handle Trump’s genius.
I had to look that woman up. She’s 43 years old. That’s amazing.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-27/us-military-targets-is-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-media-reports/11644070
Read Trump’s tweet in that piece.
sibeen said:
dv said:
President Donald Trump is disputing that former White House chief of staff John Kelly warned the President before he left the White House last year not to hire a replacement who wouldn’t tell him the truth or that he would be impeached.Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, made the comments during an interview at the Sea Island Summit political conference hosted by the Washington Examiner this weekend.
Kelly said if he had stayed on as chief of staff Trump wouldn’t be in the midst of the current impeachment inquiry, implying that White House advisers could have prevented it.
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“I said, whatever you do — and we were still in the process of trying to find someone to take my place — I said whatever you do, don’t hire a ‘yes man,’ someone who won’t tell you the truth — don’t do that,” Kelly said. “Because if you do, I believe you will be impeached.”Trump weighed in Saturday on Kelly’s interview with the Washington Examiner, saying in a statement to CNN, “John Kelly never said that, he never said anything like that. If he would have said that I would have thrown him out of the office. He just wants to come back into the action like everybody else does.”
White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham added, “I worked with John Kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President.”
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/26/politics/john-kelly-trump-yes-man/index.html
That last line is gold. Sometimes I feel that I too an unequipped to handle Trump’s genius.
I had to look that woman up. She’s 43 years old. That’s amazing.
Um … is it?
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-27/us-military-targets-is-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-media-reports/11644070Read Trump’s tweet in that piece.
not too crazy
sibeen said:
dv said:
President Donald Trump is disputing that former White House chief of staff John Kelly warned the President before he left the White House last year not to hire a replacement who wouldn’t tell him the truth or that he would be impeached.Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, made the comments during an interview at the Sea Island Summit political conference hosted by the Washington Examiner this weekend.
Kelly said if he had stayed on as chief of staff Trump wouldn’t be in the midst of the current impeachment inquiry, implying that White House advisers could have prevented it.
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“I said, whatever you do — and we were still in the process of trying to find someone to take my place — I said whatever you do, don’t hire a ‘yes man,’ someone who won’t tell you the truth — don’t do that,” Kelly said. “Because if you do, I believe you will be impeached.”Trump weighed in Saturday on Kelly’s interview with the Washington Examiner, saying in a statement to CNN, “John Kelly never said that, he never said anything like that. If he would have said that I would have thrown him out of the office. He just wants to come back into the action like everybody else does.”
White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham added, “I worked with John Kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President.”
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/26/politics/john-kelly-trump-yes-man/index.html
That last line is gold. Sometimes I feel that I too an unequipped to handle Trump’s genius.
I had to look that woman up. She’s 43 years old. That’s amazing.
I wonder if she’ll live to regret having that on her resume. Once Trump is gone and everyone moved on, people like her might find themselves ostracised a bit from polite society.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
President Donald Trump is disputing that former White House chief of staff John Kelly warned the President before he left the White House last year not to hire a replacement who wouldn’t tell him the truth or that he would be impeached.Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, made the comments during an interview at the Sea Island Summit political conference hosted by the Washington Examiner this weekend.
Kelly said if he had stayed on as chief of staff Trump wouldn’t be in the midst of the current impeachment inquiry, implying that White House advisers could have prevented it.
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“I said, whatever you do — and we were still in the process of trying to find someone to take my place — I said whatever you do, don’t hire a ‘yes man,’ someone who won’t tell you the truth — don’t do that,” Kelly said. “Because if you do, I believe you will be impeached.”Trump weighed in Saturday on Kelly’s interview with the Washington Examiner, saying in a statement to CNN, “John Kelly never said that, he never said anything like that. If he would have said that I would have thrown him out of the office. He just wants to come back into the action like everybody else does.”
White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham added, “I worked with John Kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President.”
____
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/26/politics/john-kelly-trump-yes-man/index.html
That last line is gold. Sometimes I feel that I too an unequipped to handle Trump’s genius.
I had to look that woman up. She’s 43 years old. That’s amazing.
Um … is it?
How someone could make it to that quite advanced age and still be that stupid. Surely there’s a fairly high chance that she’d have inadvertently walked in front of a bus before now.
dv said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-27/us-military-targets-is-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-media-reports/11644070Read Trump’s tweet in that piece.
not too crazy
Incredibly childish. “Nyah, nyah, I know something you don’t know”. The announcement is not to be made for some hours.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:I had to look that woman up. She’s 43 years old. That’s amazing.
Um … is it?
How someone could make it to that quite advanced age and still be that stupid. Surely there’s a fairly high chance that she’d have inadvertently walked in front of a bus before now.
She doesn’t believe it. She is blatantly lying of course. The amazing thing is that somebody so dishonest has l got to 43 years old without ending u in jail, or murdered.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:I had to look that woman up. She’s 43 years old. That’s amazing.
Um … is it?
How someone could make it to that quite advanced age and still be that stupid. Surely there’s a fairly high chance that she’d have inadvertently walked in front of a bus before now.
I mean there are people in and around the Trump White House in their 60s and 70s who’ve had to come out and say moronic things… it’s the nature of the job.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
dv said:Um … is it?
How someone could make it to that quite advanced age and still be that stupid. Surely there’s a fairly high chance that she’d have inadvertently walked in front of a bus before now.
She doesn’t believe it. She is blatantly lying of course. The amazing thing is that somebody so dishonest has l got to 43 years old without ending u in jail, or murdered.
I can’t type. Still pooped from ride today. I misunderestimated the strength of the wind and exerted myself a bit too much.
US ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland has conceded to Congress that the Trump Ukraine efforts amounted to a quid pro quo.
https://www.businessinsider.com/gordon-sondland-congress-trump-ukraine-quid-pro-quo-2019-10/?r=AU&IR=T
US ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland has conceded to Congress that the Trump Ukraine efforts amounted to a quid pro quo.
https://www.businessinsider.com/gordon-sondland-congress-trump-ukraine-quid-pro-quo-2019-10/?r=AU&IR=T
The 41 most shocking lines from Donald Trump’s Baghdadi announcement
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/27/politics/donald-trump-baghdadi-death-isis/index.html
morning Joe gets upset that baseball crowd says ‘Lock him up.’
It’s unamerican.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhe-4m2WMeE
Proof that morning tv news is crap wherever you are.
sarahs mum said:
morning Joe gets upset that baseball crowd says ‘Lock him up.’
It’s unamerican.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhe-4m2WMeEProof that morning tv news is crap wherever you are.
I think Joe is just trying to he even-handed
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/28/politics/alexander-vindman-nsc-impeachment-testimony/index.html
White House Ukraine expert to testify he reported concerns about Trump-Zelensky call
The National Security Council’s top Ukraine expert plans to tell House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that he was so troubled by President Donald Trump’s July phone call with Ukraine’s President that he reported his concerns to a superior, according to a copy of his opening statement obtained by CNN.
The expert, Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, plans to say he felt an investigation into Vice President Joe Biden and the Ukrainian natural gas company connected to Biden’s son, Hunter, would undermine US national security. Trump pressed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for such an investigation multiple times during that July 25 call.
“I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine,” Vindman plans to tell lawmakers, according to his opening statement. “I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained.”
“This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel.”
The New York Times was the first to report on Vindman’s planned remarks.
That phone call between Trump and Zelensky is at the heart of the Democrats’ impeachment inquiry, following a whistleblower complaint alleging that Trump had solicited foreign interference to dig up information on a political rival and the White House tried to cover it up. Vindman is the first person who was actually on the call to testify in front of House investigators.
Vindman says in his opening statement he reported his concerns about the call “internally to National Security officials in accordance with my decades of experience and training, sense of duty, and obligation to operate within the chain of command.” He plans to tell investigators, “I am a patriot, and it is my sacred duty and honor to advance and defend OUR country, irrespective of party or politics.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/29/politics/mark-amodei-ukraine-trump/index.html
Republican Congressman Mark Amodei gives a masterclass on avoiding the question while looking like an arsehole
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/29/opinions/trump-media-lackeys-smear-war-hero-filipovic/index.html
Trump team’s disgusting smear of Alexander Vindman
What the sweet badgery fuck?
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/29/politics/george-papadopoulos-congress-california-25/index.html
Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, who pleaded guilty in 2017 to lying to the FBI about his contacts with individuals tied to Russia during the 2016 campaign, is running for Congress in California.
Papadopoulos filed paperwork Tuesday to run as a Republican in California’s 25th District following Democratic Rep. Katie Hill’s resignation on Sunday amid allegations of improper relationships with staffers.
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Straight from prison to Congress, is that how it works now?
Vindman’s testimony today included some information about some omissions in the official rough transcript of the Trump-Ukraine phone call.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/30/politics/impeachment-watch-october-29/index.html
Asked in September why there were three ellipses, a senior White House official said they “do not indicate missing words or phrases” but “refer to a trailing off of a voice or pause. If there were missing words or phrases, they would be represented by brackets or redactions. This is the standard practice that is followed for all records of Presidential phone calls.”
However, the Times reports that one of the changes to the transcript sought by Vindman was regarding replacing an ellipses: “The rough transcript also contains ellipses at three points where Mr. Trump is speaking. Colonel Vindman told investigators that at the point of the transcript where the third set of ellipses appears, Mr. Trump said there were tapes of Mr. Biden.”
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Some Republicans, including Liz Cheney and Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell, have spoken out against conservatives who have questioned the patriotism of Vindman, Taylor and other witnesses.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/29/politics/liz-cheney-alexander-vindman-attacks-shameful/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/29/politics/mitch-mcconnell-impeachment-inquiry/index.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsBOWSjOLsE
MASH-UP: Trump’s al-Baghdadi Speech & Obama’s Bin Laden Speech
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsBOWSjOLsEMASH-UP: Trump’s al-Baghdadi Speech & Obama’s Bin Laden Speech
Shouldn’t you be taking some old boilers line dancing or some such?
Peak Warming Man said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsBOWSjOLsEMASH-UP: Trump’s al-Baghdadi Speech & Obama’s Bin Laden Speech
Shouldn’t you be taking some old boilers line dancing or some such?
no, it is zee german’s turn today.
ChrispenEvan said:
I bet he tied a tiny little knot, with his tiny little hands.
Response to the question : Where does Donald Trump rank amongst the greatest Presidents of all time?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Response to the question : Where does Donald Trump rank amongst the greatest Presidents of all time?
I was surprise how high Reagan was rated, and how low Kennedy was, even by Democrats.
No surprise with the spread on the Obama vote.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Response to the question : Where does Donald Trump rank amongst the greatest Presidents of all time?
W. Harrison ranks above Trump but only served 31 days of his term because he caught pneumonia while taking his oath.
The Rev Dodgson said:
No surprise with the spread on the Obama vote.
In fairness, he’s in the top half among Republicans.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsBOWSjOLsEMASH-UP: Trump’s al-Baghdadi Speech & Obama’s Bin Laden Speech
I am struck by the difference in backdrop, not just the delivery.
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsBOWSjOLsEMASH-UP: Trump’s al-Baghdadi Speech & Obama’s Bin Laden Speech
I am struck by the difference in backdrop, not just the delivery.
Does Trump have Go Go dancers in the background seductively swaying to Give It To Me Baby
Cymek said:
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsBOWSjOLsEMASH-UP: Trump’s al-Baghdadi Speech & Obama’s Bin Laden Speech
I am struck by the difference in backdrop, not just the delivery.
Does Trump have Go Go dancers in the background seductively swaying to Give It To Me Baby
No, he’s got an over abundance of various bits of fabric which are probably flags that I don’t recognize. Obama has a nice classical, empty hallway.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
buffy said:I am struck by the difference in backdrop, not just the delivery.
Does Trump have Go Go dancers in the background seductively swaying to Give It To Me Baby
No, he’s got an over abundance of various bits of fabric which are probably flags that I don’t recognize. Obama has a nice classical, empty hallway.
Obama also spoke for about 10 minutes while Trump went on for like an hour. Obama didn’t talk about himself at all…
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:No surprise with the spread on the Obama vote.
In fairness, he’s in the top half among Republicans.
True.
We shouldn’t stereotype Republicans, tempting as it may be :)
It should be noted that those scores are by presidential historians, not the general public.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
buffy said:I am struck by the difference in backdrop, not just the delivery.
Does Trump have Go Go dancers in the background seductively swaying to Give It To Me Baby
No, he’s got an over abundance of various bits of fabric which are probably flags that I don’t recognize. Obama has a nice classical, empty hallway.
Obama’s choice is a hallway with doors, very symbolic of choosing different choices in life, opening different doors to possibilities.
Trumps choice has a closed in feeling, invoking melancholy, choices in life don’t exist at all.
Do All Trump Supporters Think the Same?
3,128,040 views
•Dec 23, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzcNTtgDlg8
sarahs mum said:
Do All Trump Supporters Think the Same?
3,128,040 views
•Dec 23, 2018https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzcNTtgDlg8
A lot of Trump supporters are reacting to signals that he is on their side on issues that they probably wouldn’t admit to in a public video like that. “Are white Americans the only real Americans?” “Are you an actual member of the Klan?”
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Do All Trump Supporters Think the Same?
3,128,040 views
•Dec 23, 2018https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzcNTtgDlg8
A lot of Trump supporters are reacting to signals that he is on their side on issues that they probably wouldn’t admit to in a public video like that. “Are white Americans the only real Americans?” “Are you an actual member of the Klan?”
He’s a good role model because he shows people it is okay to make mistakes.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Do All Trump Supporters Think the Same?
3,128,040 views
•Dec 23, 2018https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzcNTtgDlg8
A lot of Trump supporters are reacting to signals that he is on their side on issues that they probably wouldn’t admit to in a public video like that. “Are white Americans the only real Americans?” “Are you an actual member of the Klan?”
He’s a good role model because he shows people it is okay to make mistakes.
I can’t think of a single case where he has admitted to a mistake.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
buffy said:I am struck by the difference in backdrop, not just the delivery.
Does Trump have Go Go dancers in the background seductively swaying to Give It To Me Baby
No, he’s got an over abundance of various bits of fabric which are probably flags that I don’t recognize. Obama has a nice classical, empty hallway.
maybe they are false flags?
Not Satire
Trump insists he is smart enough to commit crimes
Long story short: the Trump-friendly Wall Street Journal ran an editorial that argued Trump “wanted a quid-pro-quo policy ultimatum toward Ukraine,” but people should consider the possibility that he “was too inept to execute it.”
Trump has fired back: ‘What are they talking about, if I wanted to do quid pro quo, I would’ve done the damn quid pro quo.”
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Also

Me fail English? That’s unpossible!
President Trump has made 13,435 false or misleading claims over 993 days
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/14/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/
Does he need to lie so much?
Sociopath?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Team Trump is Mad at Jimmy Kimmel
TLDW
I watched it. At the end, i wished for an Australian media figure who’d stand up and backchat our governors in the same way, allied with a TV network that had the guts to let him/her do it.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Team Trump is Mad at Jimmy Kimmel
TLDW
I watched it. At the end, i wished for an Australian media figure who’d stand up and backchat our governors in the same way, allied with a TV network that had the guts to let him/her do it.
I’d like a Rachel Maddow. I like how she starts a story with history. And then she dumps you in the present.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:TLDW
I watched it. At the end, i wished for an Australian media figure who’d stand up and backchat our governors in the same way, allied with a TV network that had the guts to let him/her do it.
I’d like a Rachel Maddow. I like how she starts a story with history. And then she dumps you in the present.
Unfortunately, we have media which are addicted to the sound-bite, the quick video shot, and then on to a much more lengthy and detailed story about the new iPhone or something equally distracting.
“This type, the alpine dingo, unfortunately shares the eastern seaboard areas … where 80 per cent of the Australian population lives,” Ms Watson said.
“So not only is the habitat of the alpine dingo dwindling to nothing, but our persecution of this animal — because it sadly looks like a dog — has pushed this beautiful alpine dingo very close to extinction.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-01/alpine-dingo-dropped-by-eagle-into-victorian-yard/11657972
Is she suggesting that the Dingo isn’t a dog?
sibeen said:
“This type, the alpine dingo, unfortunately shares the eastern seaboard areas … where 80 per cent of the Australian population lives,” Ms Watson said.“So not only is the habitat of the alpine dingo dwindling to nothing, but our persecution of this animal — because it sadly looks like a dog — has pushed this beautiful alpine dingo very close to extinction.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-01/alpine-dingo-dropped-by-eagle-into-victorian-yard/11657972
Is she suggesting that the Dingo isn’t a dog?
Sorry, there’s enough shit in this thread without me adding to it.
sibeen said:
“This type, the alpine dingo, unfortunately shares the eastern seaboard areas … where 80 per cent of the Australian population lives,” Ms Watson said.“So not only is the habitat of the alpine dingo dwindling to nothing, but our persecution of this animal — because it sadly looks like a dog — has pushed this beautiful alpine dingo very close to extinction.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-01/alpine-dingo-dropped-by-eagle-into-victorian-yard/11657972
Is she suggesting that the Dingo isn’t a dog?
No, she said ‘it sadly looks like a dog’. Perhaps she means that when you’re sad, you see it as a dog, but don’t comprehend to be a dog.
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
“This type, the alpine dingo, unfortunately shares the eastern seaboard areas … where 80 per cent of the Australian population lives,” Ms Watson said.“So not only is the habitat of the alpine dingo dwindling to nothing, but our persecution of this animal — because it sadly looks like a dog — has pushed this beautiful alpine dingo very close to extinction.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-01/alpine-dingo-dropped-by-eagle-into-victorian-yard/11657972
Is she suggesting that the Dingo isn’t a dog?
No, she said ‘it sadly looks like a dog’. Perhaps she means that when you’re sad, you see it as a dog, but don’t comprehend to be a dog.
I mean …
it’s a dog. It’s a breed of dog, introduced fairly recently.
‘ He’s so obstinate, he won’t even admit he’s wrong to his phone ‘
From Team Trump is Mad at Jimmy Kimmel
comments section
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUmWfKoG9BQ
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
“This type, the alpine dingo, unfortunately shares the eastern seaboard areas … where 80 per cent of the Australian population lives,” Ms Watson said.“So not only is the habitat of the alpine dingo dwindling to nothing, but our persecution of this animal — because it sadly looks like a dog — has pushed this beautiful alpine dingo very close to extinction.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-01/alpine-dingo-dropped-by-eagle-into-victorian-yard/11657972
Is she suggesting that the Dingo isn’t a dog?
No, she said ‘it sadly looks like a dog’. Perhaps she means that when you’re sad, you see it as a dog, but don’t comprehend to be a dog.
I mean …
it’s a dog. It’s a breed of dog, introduced fairly recently.
“The first step we have made is the zoological recognition of the Australian dingo as a species of its own, Canis dingo,” she said.
(From the article.)
Michael V said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:No, she said ‘it sadly looks like a dog’. Perhaps she means that when you’re sad, you see it as a dog, but don’t comprehend to be a dog.
I mean …
it’s a dog. It’s a breed of dog, introduced fairly recently.
“The first step we have made is the zoological recognition of the Australian dingo as a species of its own, Canis dingo,” she said.
(From the article.)
Probably going to be a while before that catches on. Dingoes just don’t seem quite as important as (other) Australian native animals to me.
Michael V said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:No, she said ‘it sadly looks like a dog’. Perhaps she means that when you’re sad, you see it as a dog, but don’t comprehend to be a dog.
I mean …
it’s a dog. It’s a breed of dog, introduced fairly recently.
“The first step we have made is the zoological recognition of the Australian dingo as a species of its own, Canis dingo,” she said.
(From the article.)
This is not a view shared by the scientific community.
Michael V said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:No, she said ‘it sadly looks like a dog’. Perhaps she means that when you’re sad, you see it as a dog, but don’t comprehend to be a dog.
I mean …
it’s a dog. It’s a breed of dog, introduced fairly recently.
“The first step we have made is the zoological recognition of the Australian dingo as a species of its own, Canis dingo,” she said.
(From the article.)
But that’s just making shit up.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
dv said:I mean …
it’s a dog. It’s a breed of dog, introduced fairly recently.
“The first step we have made is the zoological recognition of the Australian dingo as a species of its own, Canis dingo,” she said.
(From the article.)
But that’s just making shit up.
From what I can see on her website, it appears her qualifications are in animal breeding,
Also … she was involved in a dingo smuggling ring a whlie back…
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/aussie-lyn-watson-accused-of-dodgy-dingo-smuggling-ring/news-story/1dba3579fbf338d9c3dca8410c13a190
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
dv said:I mean …
it’s a dog. It’s a breed of dog, introduced fairly recently.
“The first step we have made is the zoological recognition of the Australian dingo as a species of its own, Canis dingo,” she said.
(From the article.)
But that’s just making shit up.
Yeah, next thing the brumbie livers will declare them a separate species too.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
dv said:I mean …
it’s a dog. It’s a breed of dog, introduced fairly recently.
“The first step we have made is the zoological recognition of the Australian dingo as a species of its own, Canis dingo,” she said.
(From the article.)
But that’s just making shit up.
The dingo is a dog that is native to Australia. The species name is debated: it is variously called Canis familiaris, Canis familiaris dingo, Canis lupus dingo, or Canis dingo.
I know the “biological species model” has taken some knocks in recent years but (shrugs) if there is complete successful interbreeding capability, it’s the same species.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:“The first step we have made is the zoological recognition of the Australian dingo as a species of its own, Canis dingo,” she said.
(From the article.)
But that’s just making shit up.
The dingo is a dog that is native to Australia. The species name is debated: it is variously called Canis familiaris, Canis familiaris dingo, Canis lupus dingo, or Canis dingo.
Well there’s people who also think that Trump is a good president (keeping to the thread meme) but that doesn’t make them right.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:But that’s just making shit up.
The dingo is a dog that is native to Australia. The species name is debated: it is variously called Canis familiaris, Canis familiaris dingo, Canis lupus dingo, or Canis dingo.
Well there’s people who also think that Trump is a good president (keeping to the thread meme) but that doesn’t make them right.
and the opinions of an over qualified sparky are?
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:I mean …
it’s a dog. It’s a breed of dog, introduced fairly recently.
“The first step we have made is the zoological recognition of the Australian dingo as a species of its own, Canis dingo,” she said.
(From the article.)
This is not a view shared by the scientific community.
This article (I can’t find a date) seems to indicate that at least some think it is a separate species.
http://theconversation.com/the-dingo-is-a-true-blue-native-australian-species-111538
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:The dingo is a dog that is native to Australia. The species name is debated: it is variously called Canis familiaris, Canis familiaris dingo, Canis lupus dingo, or Canis dingo.
Well there’s people who also think that Trump is a good president (keeping to the thread meme) but that doesn’t make them right.
and the opinions of an over qualified sparky are?
Pure gold.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:“The first step we have made is the zoological recognition of the Australian dingo as a species of its own, Canis dingo,” she said.
(From the article.)
This is not a view shared by the scientific community.
This article (I can’t find a date) seems to indicate that at least some think it is a separate species.
http://theconversation.com/the-dingo-is-a-true-blue-native-australian-species-111538
The authors are ecologists plus one psychologist (?).
They also kind of give the game away in the end:
“What’s at stake?
Even acknowledging the dingo’s uncertain and distant past, lumping dingoes and dogs together is unjustified.
Labelling dingoes as “feral domestic dogs” or some other misnomer ignores their unique, long, and quintessentially wild history in Australia.
Inappropriate naming also has serious implications for their treatment. Any label less than “dingo” can be used to justify their legal persecution.
Further loss of dingoes could have serious, negative ecological consequences, including potentially placing other Australian native animals at increased risk of extinction.”
To my mind, determining species limits should not affect protection or ecological decisions, and similarly, ecological considerations should not affect species determination.
The Northern Black Rhino is a subspecies rather than species but that doesn’t change the fact that it is endangered and needs protection.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:Well there’s people who also think that Trump is a good president (keeping to the thread meme) but that doesn’t make them right.
and the opinions of an over qualified sparky are?
Pure gold.
I didn’t think it was that funny.
Taxonomic status of the Australian dingo: the case for Canis dingo Meyer, 1793
Smith et al.
https://www.mapress.com/j/zt/article/view/zootaxa.4564.1.6
I mean look at their own chart: the divergence between dingos and domestic dogs is recent, occurring during historic times.
On the basis of chronology, genetics or interbreeding ability there is about as much reason to cast dingos and domestic dogs into separate species as there are Chinese and native American humans.

Michael V said:
Taxonomic status of the Australian dingo: the case for Canis dingo Meyer, 1793Smith et al.
https://www.mapress.com/j/zt/article/view/zootaxa.4564.1.6
That’s by the same team. Smith is a psychologist by trade.
dv said:
Michael V said:
Taxonomic status of the Australian dingo: the case for Canis dingo Meyer, 1793Smith et al.
https://www.mapress.com/j/zt/article/view/zootaxa.4564.1.6
That’s by the same team. Smith is a psychologist by trade.
perhaps he asked the dingoes what they wanted?
I thought Trump may get a significant poll bounce from the killing of al Baghdadi but that does not appear to be the case. He was on 40.6% before and is on 40.9% now.
dv said:
I thought Trump may get a significant poll bounce from the killing of al Baghdadi but that does not appear to be the case. He was on 40.6% before and is on 40.9% now.
He did say that Obama didn’t deserve credit for getting Bin Laden. Same goes for him.
roughbarked said:
Impeach me and the US will suffer
’Nobody move, or the economy gets it’, says Trump.
““Trump has become so erratic and unpredictable that it’s annoying for the markets,” CNN Business said Valliere added. “Pence is a boring, conservative, pro-business Midwesterner.” – From the story linked by Roughie.
It’s like a said a little while back – big business, the rich, and the Republicans have been enjoying the roller coaster ride, but it’s starting to make them feel a bit sick. They’re getting tired of not knowing what dickheadery Trump will pull out of the hat, not just day to day but hour to hour.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Impeach me and the US will suffer
’Nobody move, or the economy gets it’, says Trump.
““Trump has become so erratic and unpredictable that it’s annoying for the markets,” CNN Business said Valliere added. “Pence is a boring, conservative, pro-business Midwesterner.” – From the story linked by Roughie.
It’s like a said a little while back – big business, the rich, and the Republicans have been enjoying the roller coaster ride, but it’s starting to make them feel a bit sick. They’re getting tired of not knowing what dickheadery Trump will pull out of the hat, not just day to day but hour to hour.
There’s a marble rolling around a track in his head and when it drops it the slot unpredictable frothing at the mouth occurs.
9:30am Eastern Time President walks into White House
President-: What!! what’s all the confusion and fuss, what’s going on.
Vice President-: Did you get up for a piss at about 3am this morning and send some tweets
President-: Cant remember, probably.
Secretary of State-: Mr Pence we’ve stopped the ICBM countdown and sent a coded message for the bombers to abort.
President-: What’s that all about? and it’s Tuesday, where’s the chocolate cake, we always have chocolate cake for morning tea on a Tuesday. I want that caterer fired, do you hear me, FIRED.
The President-: We had an excellent dessert tonight, ice cream and frozen strawberries.
An hour ago, I sent for another portion but got only the ice cream.
There weren’t any more strawberries.
I don’t believe that we consumed a gallon of strawberries.
I want to know what happened to the rest of the strawberries..
Peak Warming Man said:
The President-: We had an excellent dessert tonight, ice cream and frozen strawberries.
An hour ago, I sent for another portion but got only the ice cream.
There weren’t any more strawberries.
I don’t believe that we consumed a gallon of strawberries.
I want to know what happened to the rest of the strawberries..
The captain was right…
Peak Warming Man said:
The President-: We had an excellent dessert tonight, ice cream and frozen strawberries.
An hour ago, I sent for another portion but got only the ice cream.
There weren’t any more strawberries.
I don’t believe that we consumed a gallon of strawberries.
I want to know what happened to the rest of the strawberries..
Steve Bannon Targeted ‘Incels’ Because They Are ‘Easy to Manipulate,’ Cambridge Analytica Whistleblower Says
https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-targeted-incels-manipulate-cambridge-analytica-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-1468399
‘Incels’, indeed.
Got one word for you, boys: hookers.
You save up all your odd dollars and cents, then ring up the number, and the nice lady comes around and treats you kindly. Yes, even a dipshit like you.
No need to kill anyone.
sarahs mum said:
Steve Bannon Targeted ‘Incels’ Because They Are ‘Easy to Manipulate,’ Cambridge Analytica Whistleblower Sayshttps://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-targeted-incels-manipulate-cambridge-analytica-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-1468399
Incel is a word I’ll need to look up.

Tau.Neutrino said:
Aww, she was just trying to help.
And she did. Helped the Democrats.
captain_spalding said:
‘Incels’, indeed.Got one word for you, boys: hookers.
You save up all your odd dollars and cents, then ring up the number, and the nice lady comes around and treats you kindly. Yes, even a dipshit like you.
No need to kill anyone.
This.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
‘Incels’, indeed.Got one word for you, boys: hookers.
You save up all your odd dollars and cents, then ring up the number, and the nice lady comes around and treats you kindly. Yes, even a dipshit like you.
No need to kill anyone.
This.
I’m not sure they think this way. Paying for women is still valuing them.
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
‘Incels’, indeed.Got one word for you, boys: hookers.
You save up all your odd dollars and cents, then ring up the number, and the nice lady comes around and treats you kindly. Yes, even a dipshit like you.
No need to kill anyone.
This.
I’m not sure they think this way. Paying for women is still valuing them.
You’re likely correct, unfortunately.
:(
captain_spalding said:
‘Incels’, indeed.Got one word for you, boys: hookers.
You save up all your odd dollars and cents, then ring up the number, and the nice lady comes around and treats you kindly. Yes, even a dipshit like you.
No need to kill anyone.
This would be my solution too. But what would I know?
In response to the contradictory testimony by several officials, US Envoy to the EU Gordon Sondland has revised his testimony, admitting a direct quid pro quo arrangement, and implicating Vice President Mike Pence in the conspiracy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/us/politics/impeachment-trump.html https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-11-05-2019/index.html
dv said:
In response to the contradictory testimony by several officials, US Envoy to the EU Gordon Sondland has revised his testimony, admitting a direct quid pro quo arrangement, and implicating Vice President Mike Pence in the conspiracy.https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/us/politics/impeachment-trump.html https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-11-05-2019/index.html
Well that’s nice.
dv said:
In a few weeks there will be State elections in five US states which might be a useful indication of how things are going for the major parties. They’ll be important in their own right, as in the US the Federal electoral boundaries are determined by the state governments. Kentucky and Mississippi currently have Republican trifectas (ie House, Senate and Governor are held by one party), and New Jersey has a Democratic trifecta.Bold, in this table, indicates elections that will be held this year. e.g in NJ, the House election will be held, but not the Gubernatorial or Senate elections.
Results are still on their way in but at present it appears that the Kentucky governorship has been picked up by the Democrats. The Dems have also picked up several seats in Virginia and seem certain to win the House election there. Haven’t heard from Joysy yet. The Democrats have made gains in Missississississississippi but probably not enough to win control of the legislature: governor’s race will be close.
I included Louisiana in this list but that election will be nine days hence.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
In response to the contradictory testimony by several officials, US Envoy to the EU Gordon Sondland has revised his testimony, admitting a direct quid pro quo arrangement, and implicating Vice President Mike Pence in the conspiracy.https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/us/politics/impeachment-trump.html https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-11-05-2019/index.html
Well that’s nice.
Probably woke up and thought “On the other hand, maybe I won’t go to prison to defend Trump.”
dv said:
dv said:
In a few weeks there will be State elections in five US states which might be a useful indication of how things are going for the major parties. They’ll be important in their own right, as in the US the Federal electoral boundaries are determined by the state governments. Kentucky and Mississippi currently have Republican trifectas (ie House, Senate and Governor are held by one party), and New Jersey has a Democratic trifecta.Bold, in this table, indicates elections that will be held this year. e.g in NJ, the House election will be held, but not the Gubernatorial or Senate elections.
Results are still on their way in but at present it appears that the Kentucky governorship has been picked up by the Democrats. The Dems have also picked up several seats in Virginia and seem certain to win the House election there. Haven’t heard from Joysy yet. The Democrats have made gains in Missississississississippi but probably not enough to win control of the legislature: governor’s race will be close.
I included Louisiana in this list but that election will be nine days hence.
93% of the votes are in in the Mississippi governor’s race and the Republican candidate has been successful. There was a 23% swing against the Republicans.
Both of Virginia’s legislative houses have been flipped to Democrat. One result of this is that Virginia will become the 38th state to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment. Article 5 of the Constitution requires that at least three quarters of states ratify, so the result of these elections will probably be that the Equal Rights Amendment becomes part of the Constitution, unless Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell blocks it.
Washington Post head to head polls have all leading Democrat candidates way ahead of DJT, with Biden furthest in front. 
dv said:
Washington Post head to head polls have all leading Democrat candidates way ahead of DJT, with Biden furthest in front.
NYT did one a day or two ago but they did it by State. The results there look no-where near as promising for some of the candidates and has Trump winning the election under many scenarios. Like Clinton winning the ‘vote’ by 3 million – it don’t matter a fuck.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Washington Post head to head polls have all leading Democrat candidates way ahead of DJT, with Biden furthest in front.
NYT did one a day or two ago but they did it by State. The results there look no-where near as promising for some of the candidates and has Trump winning the election under many scenarios. Like Clinton winning the ‘vote’ by 3 million – it don’t matter a fuck.
It is certainly possible that Trump will win the election.
But it would have to involve improving his level of support. It’s one thing relying on the Electoral College to get over a 3 million vote gap but in this case he is 17% back. That’s about a 22 million vote gap.
We’re a year out, of course, and anything can happen in a year.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/hillary-clinton-2020-dems-electoral-college
“Hillary Clinton advises Dems to choose 2020 nominee who can win Electoral College”
Okay, so Hillary lost the fuck out of the electoral college so we need to find the candidate that is the opposite of her, someone who has been regularly at odds with Hillary. That would be Tulsi Gabbard so effectively Hillary has endorsed Gabbard for president.
Unfortunately Hillary’s endorsement would be worse than Ivan Milat so I guess that’s the end of Gabbard’s campaign.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Washington Post head to head polls have all leading Democrat candidates way ahead of DJT, with Biden furthest in front.
NYT did one a day or two ago but they did it by State. The results there look no-where near as promising for some of the candidates and has Trump winning the election under many scenarios. Like Clinton winning the ‘vote’ by 3 million – it don’t matter a fuck.
It is certainly possible that Trump will win the election.
But it would have to involve improving his level of support. It’s one thing relying on the Electoral College to get over a 3 million vote gap but in this case he is 17% back. That’s about a 22 million vote gap.
We’re a year out, of course, and anything can happen in a year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/upshot/trump-biden-warren-polls.html

sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:NYT did one a day or two ago but they did it by State. The results there look no-where near as promising for some of the candidates and has Trump winning the election under many scenarios. Like Clinton winning the ‘vote’ by 3 million – it don’t matter a fuck.
It is certainly possible that Trump will win the election.
But it would have to involve improving his level of support. It’s one thing relying on the Electoral College to get over a 3 million vote gap but in this case he is 17% back. That’s about a 22 million vote gap.
We’re a year out, of course, and anything can happen in a year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/upshot/trump-biden-warren-polls.html
yes I’ve read the article
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:NYT did one a day or two ago but they did it by State. The results there look no-where near as promising for some of the candidates and has Trump winning the election under many scenarios. Like Clinton winning the ‘vote’ by 3 million – it don’t matter a fuck.
It is certainly possible that Trump will win the election.
But it would have to involve improving his level of support. It’s one thing relying on the Electoral College to get over a 3 million vote gap but in this case he is 17% back. That’s about a 22 million vote gap.
We’re a year out, of course, and anything can happen in a year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/upshot/trump-biden-warren-polls.html
The NYT results suggest they would be stupid to go with anyone other than Biden.
I have to say that the NYT polls were way off the state polls run by other agencies around the same time.
For instance, the Emerson poll had Warren 54 Trump 46 in Michigan, whereas the NYT poll had Warren 40 Trump 45.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
dv said:It is certainly possible that Trump will win the election.
But it would have to involve improving his level of support. It’s one thing relying on the Electoral College to get over a 3 million vote gap but in this case he is 17% back. That’s about a 22 million vote gap.
We’re a year out, of course, and anything can happen in a year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/upshot/trump-biden-warren-polls.html
The NYT results suggest they would be stupid to go with anyone other than Biden.
I was on the Biden bus until the Ukraine revelations, I now suspect that Trump would rip him a new one in the debates. I’m now feeling the Bern.
Compare the Emerson results for Michigan, taken over the same weekend as the NYT poll, showing all three lead Dems way in front of Trump.
https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/michigan-2020-democrats-aim-to-take-back-the-state
Note, I don’t have any particular idea which of these polls is more reliable: they are both respected agencies.
Also, Biden is, in both polls, better placed than Warren or Sanders.
dv said:
Compare the Emerson results for Michigan, taken over the same weekend as the NYT poll, showing all three lead Dems way in front of Trump.https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/michigan-2020-democrats-aim-to-take-back-the-state
Note, I don’t have any particular idea which of these polls is more reliable: they are both respected agencies.
Also, Biden is, in both polls, better placed than Warren or Sanders.
Fivethirtyeight rates the NYT as an A+ poll and Emerson at A-, so they are both ‘credible’ polls. So we have a conundrum :)
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/upshot/trump-biden-warren-polls.html
The NYT results suggest they would be stupid to go with anyone other than Biden.
I was on the Biden bus until the Ukraine revelations, I now suspect that Trump would rip him a new one in the debates. I’m now feeling the Bern.
One thing that Sanders does have is that there is no hint of a scintilla of a whisp of corruption about him. He lives modestly, has no ambitions to be mega wealthy, no one would suspect he’s on the take or trying to cut a shady deal for his family.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/upshot/trump-biden-warren-polls.html
The NYT results suggest they would be stupid to go with anyone other than Biden.
I was on the Biden bus until the Ukraine revelations, I now suspect that Trump would rip him a new one in the debates. I’m now feeling the Bern.
OK, but when it comes to actually casting a vote, how many Republican supporters will be able to bring themselves to vote for an extreme lefty like Sanders.
I mean some even say he is a liberal.
dv said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The NYT results suggest they would be stupid to go with anyone other than Biden.
I was on the Biden bus until the Ukraine revelations, I now suspect that Trump would rip him a new one in the debates. I’m now feeling the Bern.
One thing that Sanders does have is that there is no hint of a scintilla of a whisp of corruption about him. He lives modestly, has no ambitions to be mega wealthy, no one would suspect he’s on the take or trying to cut a shady deal for his family.
I suppose that might carry some weight with those who were taken in by Trump’s drain the swamp thing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The NYT results suggest they would be stupid to go with anyone other than Biden.
I was on the Biden bus until the Ukraine revelations, I now suspect that Trump would rip him a new one in the debates. I’m now feeling the Bern.
OK, but when it comes to actually casting a vote, how many Republican supporters will be able to bring themselves to vote for an extreme lefty like Sanders.
I mean some even say he is a liberal.
dv said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The NYT results suggest they would be stupid to go with anyone other than Biden.
I was on the Biden bus until the Ukraine revelations, I now suspect that Trump would rip him a new one in the debates. I’m now feeling the Bern.
One thing that Sanders does have is that there is no hint of a scintilla of a whisp of corruption about him. He lives modestly, has no ambitions to be mega wealthy, no one would suspect he’s on the take or trying to cut a shady deal for his family.
Warren has been caught out lying a few times and I do think that stuffs her. Trump will get up on stage and call her Pocahontas all day long. The fact that he’s told a brazzillion porkies is water off his back and he’ll tell another million during the debates.
Also, Sanders has a stated policy of eliminating private health insurance which is more extreme than has happened … anywhere in the OECD. You can get private health insurance in Sweden or the UK or Australia of course.
So the way things stand now the dems are likely to put forward one of two 80 y o white guys. Aren’t there inherent risks in that?
dv said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The NYT results suggest they would be stupid to go with anyone other than Biden.
I was on the Biden bus until the Ukraine revelations, I now suspect that Trump would rip him a new one in the debates. I’m now feeling the Bern.
One thing that Sanders does have is that there is no hint of a scintilla of a whisp of corruption about him. He lives modestly, has no ambitions to be mega wealthy, no one would suspect he’s on the take or trying to cut a shady deal for his family.
Yes, he’s not unlike Trump in many ways.
Similar age although Bernie is a little older, both are US citizens, both white and both straight males and so on.
After the last Aussie election, does anyone trust polls?
Also, US polls can say what they like but it’s up to that blasted electoral college to vote for Trump. What kind of backwater arsed country doesn’t give the Presidency to the winner of the popular vote?
Divine Angel said:
After the last Aussie election, does anyone trust polls?Also, US polls can say what they like but it’s up to that blasted electoral college to vote for Trump. What kind of backwater arsed country doesn’t give the Presidency to the winner of the popular vote?
Australia?
The Republicans in the Senate might decide to cut Trump loose if the Dems come up with concrete evidence in the House, their Muller report failed, well see how their Ukraine effort pans out in the fullness of time.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
After the last Aussie election, does anyone trust polls?Also, US polls can say what they like but it’s up to that blasted electoral college to vote for Trump. What kind of backwater arsed country doesn’t give the Presidency to the winner of the popular vote?
Australia?
Hehehehe
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
After the last Aussie election, does anyone trust polls?Also, US polls can say what they like but it’s up to that blasted electoral college to vote for Trump. What kind of backwater arsed country doesn’t give the Presidency to the winner of the popular vote?
Australia?
The difference is that we vote for a government. They vote for a President at one time, and for various bits of the government at various other times.Which can lead to getting President who’s poplar at one time, and a government that’s popular at another time, and you end up with a President (who has personal power greater than our PM does) and a government (with a whole other set of powers) neither of which is popular with the other.
Divine Angel said:
After the last Aussie election, does anyone trust polls?
Australian polls were out by 2.5% at the last election. It was a huge amount, statistically unlikely, and there was a lot of soul searching in the industry related to it.
Trump is behind Biden by 17%. No kind of polling error is going to save him from that position.
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
After the last Aussie election, does anyone trust polls?Australian polls were out by 2.5% at the last election. It was a huge amount, statistically unlikely, and there was a lot of soul searching in the industry related to it.
Trump is behind Biden by 17%. No kind of polling error is going to save him from that position.
So is Biden still the Dem front runner?
Peak Warming Man said:
The Republicans in the Senate might decide to cut Trump loose if the Dems come up with concrete evidence in the House, their Muller report failed, well see how their Ukraine effort pans out in the fullness of time.
(shrugs)
The president confessed to a felony, on a televised interview, more than 2 years ago with Lester Holt.
Everything after that is just icing on the cake. Any time after that, he remained in office by the good graces of Congress.
The Mueller listed at least five felonies in the form of obstruction of justice and providing false information to federal investigators.
So it is just a matter of Republican senators deciding whether or not it is in their best political interests to ride the tiger, or leap of, take their lumps, and hopefully come back a few years later with some semblance of dignity or credibility.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
After the last Aussie election, does anyone trust polls?Australian polls were out by 2.5% at the last election. It was a huge amount, statistically unlikely, and there was a lot of soul searching in the industry related to it.
Trump is behind Biden by 17%. No kind of polling error is going to save him from that position.
So is Biden still the Dem front runner?
Nationwide, yes. He’s behind in some polls of individual states.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
After the last Aussie election, does anyone trust polls?Also, US polls can say what they like but it’s up to that blasted electoral college to vote for Trump. What kind of backwater arsed country doesn’t give the Presidency to the winner of the popular vote?
Australia?
Well we don’t even have a President … or any elected head of state…
As for Trump himself, he is going to need the good grace of the next president to pardon him for his sins. The longer he holds on the less likely the next president will respond kindly to him. Especially if it is Biden.
Peak Warming Man said:
One thing that Sanders does have is that there is no hint of a scintilla of a whisp of corruption about him. He lives modestly, has no ambitions to be mega wealthy, no one would suspect he’s on the take or trying to cut a shady deal for his family.
Yes, he’s not unlike Trump in many ways.
That’s fuckin’ hilarious. 8-D
Have you got the latest betting odds?
I tried and when I clicked on US Election 2020 I got the English Premier League odds and then it whited out.
Peak Warming Man said:
Have you got the latest betting odds?
I tried and when I clicked on US Election 2020 I got the English Premier League odds and then it whited out.
looks like the Russians have got to it first.
party_pants said:
As for Trump himself, he is going to need the good grace of the next president to pardon him for his sins. The longer he holds on the less likely the next president will respond kindly to him. Especially if it is Biden.
I’ve been trying to get a read from wiser people elsewhere on the meaning of this, Article Two of the United States Constitution (S2 Clause 1):
The President … shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment.
Specifically: does this mean he cannot be pardoned for offences for which he has been impeached (even if not convicted)?
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Have you got the latest betting odds?
I tried and when I clicked on US Election 2020 I got the English Premier League odds and then it whited out.
looks like the Russians have got to it first.
Putin would have to be the most successful politician extant.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:One thing that Sanders does have is that there is no hint of a scintilla of a whisp of corruption about him. He lives modestly, has no ambitions to be mega wealthy, no one would suspect he’s on the take or trying to cut a shady deal for his family.
Yes, he’s not unlike Trump in many ways.
That’s fuckin’ hilarious. 8-D
Yeah, sometimes I start to think that PWM’s comments are not intended to be satirical, then he comes out with something like that, just to reassure us no doubt.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
After the last Aussie election, does anyone trust polls?Also, US polls can say what they like but it’s up to that blasted electoral college to vote for Trump. What kind of backwater arsed country doesn’t give the Presidency to the winner of the popular vote?
Australia?
Well we don’t even have a President … or any elected head of state…
There’s not such a huge difference between a PM and a US style Pres in practice.
Peak Warming Man said:
Have you got the latest betting odds?
I tried and when I clicked on US Election 2020 I got the English Premier League odds and then it whited out.
bet365 is offering the following in regard to the US Presidential election
Democrat 1.75
Republican 2.05
Independent 41.00
For the Dem candidate
Warren 2.50
Biden 3.75
Buttigieg 6.50
Sanders 6.50
Clinton lol 14.00
Yang 16.00
Gabbard 26.00
Bloomberg 41.00
Harris 41.00
Klobuchar 41.00
Booker 51.00
Michelob 71.00
Castro 101.00
Oprah Winfrey 101.00
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Australia?
Well we don’t even have a President … or any elected head of state…
There’s not such a huge difference between a PM and a US style Pres in practice.
MMMmmmm… there are pretty big differences. The PM can be replaced at the drop of the hat. The President has considerable independent scope for executive action that the PM lacks.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Well we don’t even have a President … or any elected head of state…
There’s not such a huge difference between a PM and a US style Pres in practice.
MMMmmmm… there are pretty big differences. The PM can be replaced at the drop of the hat. The President has considerable independent scope for executive action that the PM lacks.
Well “pretty big” is less than “huge” :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:There’s not such a huge difference between a PM and a US style Pres in practice.
MMMmmmm… there are pretty big differences. The PM can be replaced at the drop of the hat. The President has considerable independent scope for executive action that the PM lacks.
Well “pretty big” is less than “huge” :)
Let’s compromise with “significant”
dv said:
party_pants said:
As for Trump himself, he is going to need the good grace of the next president to pardon him for his sins. The longer he holds on the less likely the next president will respond kindly to him. Especially if it is Biden.
I’ve been trying to get a read from wiser people elsewhere on the meaning of this, Article Two of the United States Constitution (S2 Clause 1):
The President … shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment.Specifically: does this mean he cannot be pardoned for offences for which he has been impeached (even if not convicted)?
I’m working on the theory that even if he gets impeached on the Ukraine things there will be plenty of other crimes left over that are not covered in the impeachment. Any number of things in Mueller for example. They probably only have to look into his affairs to find further criminal actions, the guy is a complete crook and not capable of honest dealings. He has a crowd of enemies willing to go after him once he leaves office.
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Have you got the latest betting odds?
I tried and when I clicked on US Election 2020 I got the English Premier League odds and then it whited out.
looks like the Russians have got to it first.
Putin would have to be the most successful politician extant.
Yeah, he is breaking up NATO and the EU very nicely.
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Have you got the latest betting odds?
I tried and when I clicked on US Election 2020 I got the English Premier League odds and then it whited out.
looks like the Russians have got to it first.
Putin would have to be the most successful politician extant.
I’ll give him that. He’s canny.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:looks like the Russians have got to it first.
Putin would have to be the most successful politician extant.
I’ll give him that. He’s canny.
And he’s doing it on the smell of an oily rag.
I mean he wasn’t in the KGB for the uniform
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:Putin would have to be the most successful politician extant.
I’ll give him that. He’s canny.
And he’s doing it on the smell of an oily rag.
Good pun.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Republicans in the Senate might decide to cut Trump loose if the Dems come up with concrete evidence in the House, their Muller report failed, well see how their Ukraine effort pans out in the fullness of time.
(shrugs)
The president confessed to a felony, on a televised interview, more than 2 years ago with Lester Holt.
Everything after that is just icing on the cake. Any time after that, he remained in office by the good graces of Congress.
The Mueller listed at least five felonies in the form of obstruction of justice and providing false information to federal investigators.
So it is just a matter of Republican senators deciding whether or not it is in their best political interests to ride the tiger, or leap of, take their lumps, and hopefully come back a few years later with some semblance of dignity or credibility.
This is where I have a completely different take. The dems went after Trump big time for collusion with Russia. Rachel Maddow was preaching every night that Trump was toast, toast, toast. A huge two year investigation and we get a damp squib. It would have hardened on rusted on Trump supporters and disgusted many independents. It was lame.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Republicans in the Senate might decide to cut Trump loose if the Dems come up with concrete evidence in the House, their Muller report failed, well see how their Ukraine effort pans out in the fullness of time.
(shrugs)
The president confessed to a felony, on a televised interview, more than 2 years ago with Lester Holt.
Everything after that is just icing on the cake. Any time after that, he remained in office by the good graces of Congress.
The Mueller listed at least five felonies in the form of obstruction of justice and providing false information to federal investigators.
So it is just a matter of Republican senators deciding whether or not it is in their best political interests to ride the tiger, or leap of, take their lumps, and hopefully come back a few years later with some semblance of dignity or credibility.
This is where I have a completely different take. The dems went after Trump big time for collusion with Russia. Rachel Maddow was preaching every night that Trump was toast, toast, toast. A huge two year investigation and we get a damp squib. It would have hardened on rusted on Trump supporters and disgusted many independents. It was lame.
Rachel did a fair amount of truth telling. Go on condemn her for it. She hasn’t been wrong.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
dv said:(shrugs)
The president confessed to a felony, on a televised interview, more than 2 years ago with Lester Holt.
Everything after that is just icing on the cake. Any time after that, he remained in office by the good graces of Congress.
The Mueller listed at least five felonies in the form of obstruction of justice and providing false information to federal investigators.
So it is just a matter of Republican senators deciding whether or not it is in their best political interests to ride the tiger, or leap of, take their lumps, and hopefully come back a few years later with some semblance of dignity or credibility.
This is where I have a completely different take. The dems went after Trump big time for collusion with Russia. Rachel Maddow was preaching every night that Trump was toast, toast, toast. A huge two year investigation and we get a damp squib. It would have hardened on rusted on Trump supporters and disgusted many independents. It was lame.
Rachel did a fair amount of truth telling. Go on condemn her for it. She hasn’t been wrong.
For two years she hammered that Trump was a goner over the Russian affair. He’s still there.
sibeen said:
This is where I have a completely different take. The dems went after Trump big time for collusion with Russia. Rachel Maddow was preaching every night that Trump was toast, toast, toast. A huge two year investigation and we get a damp squib. It would have hardened on rusted on Trump supporters and disgusted many independents. It was lame.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Did you read the report?
dv said:
sibeen said:This is where I have a completely different take. The dems went after Trump big time for collusion with Russia. Rachel Maddow was preaching every night that Trump was toast, toast, toast. A huge two year investigation and we get a damp squib. It would have hardened on rusted on Trump supporters and disgusted many independents. It was lame.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Did you read the report?
Where are the charges?
Here’s something from the American Bar Association>
Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice.
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/
sibeen said:
For two years she hammered that Trump was a goner over the Russian affair. He’s still there.
I’ve watched her show assiduously and she never said that or anything like it. She’s made it plain that the Congressional Republicans showed little sign of turning on him and that with their support he can’t be removed from office.
While I’ve detested Trump long before he even thought about being President I think in the long run his tenure will be good for the US and the world, he’s like a Uber disrupter, he’s questioning long held paradigms.
Whatever happens to him he has shown that you can tell the precious media to get fucked and still win, you can challenge China and talk to NK and call out Iran’s nuclear aspirations, you can tell the Fed that they’ve got it wrong and the economy doesn’t tank, you can question why the fuck they are wasting US lives in trying to sort out centuries old sectarian wars in the middle east and cop the flack for saying so.
I think that for all the egotistical chaos future Presidents and Administrations will be better for it.
He’s still an arseclown though and the disruption should end as soon as possible, but it has proved a few points.
Peak Warming Man said:
While I’ve detested Trump long before he even thought about being President I think in the long run his tenure will be good for the US and the world, he’s like a Uber disrupter, he’s questioning long held paradigms.
Whatever happens to him he has shown that you can tell the precious media to get fucked and still win, you can challenge China and talk to NK and call out Iran’s nuclear aspirations, you can tell the Fed that they’ve got it wrong and the economy doesn’t tank, you can question why the fuck they are wasting US lives in trying to sort out centuries old sectarian wars in the middle east and cop the flack for saying so.
I think that for all the egotistical chaos future Presidents and Administrations will be better for it.
He’s still an arseclown though and the disruption should end as soon as possible, but it has proved a few points.
Yeah.
sibeen said:
Where are the charges?
As Mueller noted, because of the standing OLC memo, the President cannot be charged and hence Mueller could not recommend any charges. He very pointedly said that the President can be charged for “his criminal enterprise” after he leaves office.
Remember? I mean we talked about this extensively at the time, it was a major news item.
The charges would be (and, perhaps when Trump leaves office, would be obstruction of justice and providing false information to federal investigators.
roughbarked said:
and call out Iran’s nuclear aspirations
He restarted Iran’s nuclear aspirations.
Obama negotiated a complete cessation of their program with regular inspections to ensure enforcement.
Trump renegged on that deal and Iran’s nuclear program has restarted.
Surely you read about that.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
and call out Iran’s nuclear aspirations
He restarted Iran’s nuclear aspirations.
Obama negotiated a complete cessation of their program with regular inspections to ensure enforcement.
Trump renegged on that deal and Iran’s nuclear program has restarted.
Surely you read about that.
Roughbarked didn’t say that.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:
and call out Iran’s nuclear aspirations
He restarted Iran’s nuclear aspirations.
Obama negotiated a complete cessation of their program with regular inspections to ensure enforcement.
Trump renegged on that deal and Iran’s nuclear program has restarted.
Surely you read about that.
Roughbarked didn’t say that.
Pardon me for the quote problem.
dv said:
sibeen said:Where are the charges?
As Mueller noted, because of the standing OLC memo, the President cannot be charged and hence Mueller could not recommend any charges. He very pointedly said that the President can be charged for “his criminal enterprise” after he leaves office.
Remember? I mean we talked about this extensively at the time, it was a major news item.
The charges would be (and, perhaps when Trump leaves office, would be obstruction of justice and providing false information to federal investigators.
Yes, there’s a tidbit on obstruction. Nothing, nada, zip on collusion which was what the whole thing was about in the first place.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:He restarted Iran’s nuclear aspirations.
Obama negotiated a complete cessation of their program with regular inspections to ensure enforcement.
Trump renegged on that deal and Iran’s nuclear program has restarted.
Surely you read about that.
Roughbarked didn’t say that.
Pardon me for the quote problem.
No worries, as long as you know. ;)
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:Where are the charges?
As Mueller noted, because of the standing OLC memo, the President cannot be charged and hence Mueller could not recommend any charges. He very pointedly said that the President can be charged for “his criminal enterprise” after he leaves office.
Remember? I mean we talked about this extensively at the time, it was a major news item.
The charges would be (and, perhaps when Trump leaves office, would be obstruction of justice and providing false information to federal investigators.
Yes, there’s a tidbit on obstruction. Nothing, nada, zip on collusion which was what the whole thing was about in the first place.
Again, no. There were over 100 points of contact and cooperation between the Trump team and Russian officials detailed in the report to aid Trump’s election campaign.
Why would you even say these things? Surely you know what you’re saying is not true. Please … read … the … report.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:As Mueller noted, because of the standing OLC memo, the President cannot be charged and hence Mueller could not recommend any charges. He very pointedly said that the President can be charged for “his criminal enterprise” after he leaves office.
Remember? I mean we talked about this extensively at the time, it was a major news item.
The charges would be (and, perhaps when Trump leaves office, would be obstruction of justice and providing false information to federal investigators.
Yes, there’s a tidbit on obstruction. Nothing, nada, zip on collusion which was what the whole thing was about in the first place.
Again, no. There were over 100 points of contact and cooperation between the Trump team and Russian officials detailed in the report to aid Trump’s election campaign.
Why would you even say these things? Surely you know what you’re saying is not true. Please … read … the … report.
Which report?
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:As Mueller noted, because of the standing OLC memo, the President cannot be charged and hence Mueller could not recommend any charges. He very pointedly said that the President can be charged for “his criminal enterprise” after he leaves office.
Remember? I mean we talked about this extensively at the time, it was a major news item.
The charges would be (and, perhaps when Trump leaves office, would be obstruction of justice and providing false information to federal investigators.
Yes, there’s a tidbit on obstruction. Nothing, nada, zip on collusion which was what the whole thing was about in the first place.
Again, no. There were over 100 points of contact and cooperation between the Trump team and Russian officials detailed in the report to aid Trump’s election campaign.
Why would you even say these things? Surely you know what you’re saying is not true. Please … read … the … report.
Then where are the charges. Again, “Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election…”. That’s from the ABA and I’d hope a bunch of lawyers could write a decent opening paragraph.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
sibeen said:Yes, there’s a tidbit on obstruction. Nothing, nada, zip on collusion which was what the whole thing was about in the first place.
Again, no. There were over 100 points of contact and cooperation between the Trump team and Russian officials detailed in the report to aid Trump’s election campaign.
Why would you even say these things? Surely you know what you’re saying is not true. Please … read … the … report.
Which report?
The Report on the Investigation into Russian Interference in the 2016 Presidential Election
sibeen said:
I’d hope a bunch of lawyers could write a decent opening paragraph.
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
sibeen said:
Then where are the charges.
As I mentioned before, due to an OLC memo, it is not possible for the President to be charged, so the Mueller team could not recommend charges. They could only list the offending actions.
The only foreign entity that has been found culpable of trying to influence the 2016 US election is the Australian Labor Party.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Again, no. There were over 100 points of contact and cooperation between the Trump team and Russian officials detailed in the report to aid Trump’s election campaign.
Why would you even say these things? Surely you know what you’re saying is not true. Please … read … the … report.
Which report?
The Report on the Investigation into Russian Interference in the 2016 Presidential Election
Muller’s?
dv said:
sibeen said:Then where are the charges.
As I mentioned before, due to an OLC memo, it is not possible for the President to be charged, so the Mueller team could not recommend charges. They could only list the offending actions.
Yes. That is what Muller said.
Peak Warming Man said:
The only foreign entity that has been found culpable of trying to influence the 2016 US election is the Australian Labor Party.
Again, no. The existence of a massive Russian campaign to influence the US election in Trump’s favour is not even disputed by Republicans.
Peak Warming Man said:
The only foreign entity that has been found culpable of trying to influence the 2016 US election is the Australian Labor Party.
Refs?
Srsly sibeen I don’t know what your intel source is but not even Fox News claimed the MR indicated there was no collusion or cooperation between Trump and Russia. Are you just downbeaming Russia Today now?
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:This is where I have a completely different take. The dems went after Trump big time for collusion with Russia. Rachel Maddow was preaching every night that Trump was toast, toast, toast. A huge two year investigation and we get a damp squib. It would have hardened on rusted on Trump supporters and disgusted many independents. It was lame.
Rachel did a fair amount of truth telling. Go on condemn her for it. She hasn’t been wrong.
For two years she hammered that Trump was a goner over the Russian affair. He’s still there.
I think you are biased. Yes, She has reported on everything Trump has done that was dodgy and/or impeachable. She has also explained why things have not happened.
dv said:
Srsly sibeen I don’t know what your intel source is but not even Fox News claimed the MR indicated there was no collusion or cooperation between Trump and Russia. Are you just downbeaming Russia Today now?
I’m pretty sure I quoted the American Bar Association. I even provided a link.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The only foreign entity that has been found culpable of trying to influence the 2016 US election is the Australian Labor Party.
Again, no. The existence of a massive Russian campaign to influence the US election in Trump’s favour is not even disputed by Republicans.
Well I’ll be happy to acknowledge that I’m wrong, could you name any foreign entity that has been charge and fined for interfering in the 2016 election, not individuals?
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:This is where I have a completely different take. The dems went after Trump big time for collusion with Russia. Rachel Maddow was preaching every night that Trump was toast, toast, toast. A huge two year investigation and we get a damp squib. It would have hardened on rusted on Trump supporters and disgusted many independents. It was lame.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Did you read the report?
Where are the charges?
Here’s something from the American Bar Association>
Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice.
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/
It was not Mueller’s job said he. He said to read the report.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
dv said:What the fuck are you talking about?
Did you read the report?
Where are the charges?
Here’s something from the American Bar Association>
Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice.
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/
It was not Mueller’s job said he. He said to read the report.
A lot of reading.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The only foreign entity that has been found culpable of trying to influence the 2016 US election is the Australian Labor Party.
Again, no. The existence of a massive Russian campaign to influence the US election in Trump’s favour is not even disputed by Republicans.
Well I’ll be happy to acknowledge that I’m wrong, could you name any foreign entity that has been charge and fined for interfering in the 2016 election, not individuals?
I ain’t no legal expert but could Russia, the country, even be charged under US law?
Dozens of Russian agents have been charged so that’s got to count for something.
sarahs mum said:
It was not Mueller’s job said he. He said to read the report.
I wish I’d said that.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:It was not Mueller’s job said he. He said to read the report.
I wish I’d said that.
In a way, you did.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:It was not Mueller’s job said he. He said to read the report.
I wish I’d said that.
Sorry. I was just catching up.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:Again, no. The existence of a massive Russian campaign to influence the US election in Trump’s favour is not even disputed by Republicans.
Well I’ll be happy to acknowledge that I’m wrong, could you name any foreign entity that has been charge and fined for interfering in the 2016 election, not individuals?
I ain’t no legal expert but could Russia, the country, even be charged under US law?
Dozens of Russian agents have been charged so that’s got to count for something.
Why? And I mean that as a serious question. Foreign countries are always trying to hose over their perceived enemies. I don’t think that is a shock to anyone.
Pity Trump can’t comprehend Latin, Ars longa, vita brevis
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
dv said:What the fuck are you talking about?
Did you read the report?
Where are the charges?
Here’s something from the American Bar Association>
Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice.
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/
It was not Mueller’s job said he. He said to read the report.
Nup. I’m really not going to wade through the whole thing. If I was in the shit with something like this I’d pay a lawyer to look at it for me. Here I have the whole American Bar Association to work on it. They gave a response.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:Where are the charges?
As Mueller noted, because of the standing OLC memo, the President cannot be charged and hence Mueller could not recommend any charges. He very pointedly said that the President can be charged for “his criminal enterprise” after he leaves office.
Remember? I mean we talked about this extensively at the time, it was a major news item.
The charges would be (and, perhaps when Trump leaves office, would be obstruction of justice and providing false information to federal investigators.
Yes, there’s a tidbit on obstruction. Nothing, nada, zip on collusion which was what the whole thing was about in the first place.
Collusion requires ‘intent’. In this instance ignorance of the law is enough.
The Democrats could scarcely have hoped for a more explicit document of the criminal enterprise.
It is plain insane to say “sure they got them on obstruction but that wasn’t the original cause” …
The obstruction obstructed the investigation into the original cause … that’s why OoJ is considered such a serious offence. Records were destroyed, witnesses were tampered with, false accounts were given to federal investigators.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:Again, no. The existence of a massive Russian campaign to influence the US election in Trump’s favour is not even disputed by Republicans.
Well I’ll be happy to acknowledge that I’m wrong, could you name any foreign entity that has been charge and fined for interfering in the 2016 election, not individuals?
I ain’t no legal expert but could Russia, the country, even be charged under US law?
Dozens of Russian agents have been charged so that’s got to count for something.
It still remains the fact that the only foreign entity that was charged and fined by the US Electoral Commission for trying to influence the result of the 2016 US election was the Australian Labor Party.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
dv said:As Mueller noted, because of the standing OLC memo, the President cannot be charged and hence Mueller could not recommend any charges. He very pointedly said that the President can be charged for “his criminal enterprise” after he leaves office.
Remember? I mean we talked about this extensively at the time, it was a major news item.
The charges would be (and, perhaps when Trump leaves office, would be obstruction of justice and providing false information to federal investigators.
Yes, there’s a tidbit on obstruction. Nothing, nada, zip on collusion which was what the whole thing was about in the first place.
Collusion requires ‘intent’. In this instance ignorance of the law is enough.
Sorry i should explain: the Trump people didn’t know that their involvement with Russian entities was illegal so there was no conspiracy to break the law. That is enough to get them off.
And you can’t say that it didn’t stick. Even before the Ukraine business came to light, 64% of Americans said they believed Trump had committed crimes, including 33% of Republicans.
Even before the Ukraine news, 41% of Americans believed Trump should be impeached. That’s high. It’s higher than it ever was in the Clinton case.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:Well I’ll be happy to acknowledge that I’m wrong, could you name any foreign entity that has been charge and fined for interfering in the 2016 election, not individuals?
I ain’t no legal expert but could Russia, the country, even be charged under US law?
Dozens of Russian agents have been charged so that’s got to count for something.
It still remains the fact that the only foreign entity that was charged and fined by the US Electoral Commission for trying to influence the result of the 2016 US election was the Australian Labor Party.
““We were surprised that the FEC decided to pursue it at all but it’s not worth having the fight over, so we’re just ending it,” a senior Labor source told Guardian Australia.”
Seems very sensible.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:Yes, there’s a tidbit on obstruction. Nothing, nada, zip on collusion which was what the whole thing was about in the first place.
Collusion requires ‘intent’. In this instance ignorance of the law is enough.
Sorry i should explain: the Trump people didn’t know that their involvement with Russian entities was illegal so there was no conspiracy to break the law. That is enough to get them off.
https://www.educaloi.qc.ca/en/youth/capsules/ignorance-law-no-excuse
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Collusion requires ‘intent’. In this instance ignorance of the law is enough.
Sorry i should explain: the Trump people didn’t know that their involvement with Russian entities was illegal so there was no conspiracy to break the law. That is enough to get them off.
https://www.educaloi.qc.ca/en/youth/capsules/ignorance-law-no-excuse
Look up the pertinent US statutes. In this case the above doesn’t apply.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Sorry i should explain: the Trump people didn’t know that their involvement with Russian entities was illegal so there was no conspiracy to break the law. That is enough to get them off.
https://www.educaloi.qc.ca/en/youth/capsules/ignorance-law-no-excuse
Look up the pertinent US statutes. In this case the above doesn’t apply.
I’m not a lawyer: contrary opinions by people who are lawyers to the above have been published in opinion pieces.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Rachel did a fair amount of truth telling. Go on condemn her for it. She hasn’t been wrong.
For two years she hammered that Trump was a goner over the Russian affair. He’s still there.
I think you are biased. Yes, She has reported on everything Trump has done that was dodgy and/or impeachable. She has also explained why things have not happened.
Yes I am biased. I think she’s the left’s equivalent of Sean Hannity.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:https://www.educaloi.qc.ca/en/youth/capsules/ignorance-law-no-excuse
Look up the pertinent US statutes. In this case the above doesn’t apply.
I’m not a lawyer: contrary opinions by people who are lawyers to the above have been published in opinion pieces.
Righto. At least i didn’t imagine it.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Look up the pertinent US statutes. In this case the above doesn’t apply.
I’m not a lawyer: contrary opinions by people who are lawyers to the above have been published in opinion pieces.
Righto. At least i didn’t imagine it.
I mean I don’t have a valuable opinion on it. I’m just saying that this appears to be a moot point, at the very least.
It’s not a good look when seven members of your team go to prison for offences including lying under oath to investigators. If everything were above board, that just wouldn’t be happening…
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:Yes, there’s a tidbit on obstruction. Nothing, nada, zip on collusion which was what the whole thing was about in the first place.
Collusion requires ‘intent’. In this instance ignorance of the law is enough.
Sorry i should explain: the Trump people didn’t know that their involvement with Russian entities was illegal so there was no conspiracy to break the law. That is enough to get them off.
Nah, that’s not how it works. If something (like collusion) was illegal and they did it they are in trouble. Whether they knew it was illegal or not doesn’t matter. There is a very long tradition in common law countries that ignorance of the law is never an defence. Otherwise nobody would ever get prosecuted for anything.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:I’m not a lawyer: contrary opinions by people who are lawyers to the above have been published in opinion pieces.
Righto. At least i didn’t imagine it.
I mean I don’t have a valuable opinion on it. I’m just saying that this appears to be a moot point, at the very least.
It’s not a good look when seven members of your team go to prison for offences including lying under oath to investigators. If everything were above board, that just wouldn’t be happening…
I’m not just trying to be curmudgeonly here but I find the offense of “lying to the wallopers” to be a really strange charge. I think it’s the FBI you’re not allowed to lie to but you can get away with it with a state trooper for instance.
Maybe I’m a bit too left on this but I reckon that charge is insane.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Righto. At least i didn’t imagine it.
I mean I don’t have a valuable opinion on it. I’m just saying that this appears to be a moot point, at the very least.
It’s not a good look when seven members of your team go to prison for offences including lying under oath to investigators. If everything were above board, that just wouldn’t be happening…
I’m not just trying to be curmudgeonly here but I find the offense of “lying to the wallopers” to be a really strange charge. I think it’s the FBI you’re not allowed to lie to but you can get away with it with a state trooper for instance.
Maybe I’m a bit too left on this but I reckon that charge is insane.
I think lying under oath is a little bit different from stretching the truth with the “wallopers”.
buffy said:
I think lying under oath is a little bit different from stretching the truth with the “wallopers”.
Yes, providing false information to federal investigators is considered tantamount to perjury in the USA. It’s a maximum of 5 years prison per instance.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Righto. At least i didn’t imagine it.
I mean I don’t have a valuable opinion on it. I’m just saying that this appears to be a moot point, at the very least.
It’s not a good look when seven members of your team go to prison for offences including lying under oath to investigators. If everything were above board, that just wouldn’t be happening…
I’m not just trying to be curmudgeonly here but I find the offense of “lying to the wallopers” to be a really strange charge. I think it’s the FBI you’re not allowed to lie to but you can get away with it with a state trooper for instance.
Maybe I’m a bit too left on this but I reckon that charge is insane.
It has already landed a few of Trump’s campaign organisers and advisers in the big house.
party_pants said:
It has already landed a few of Trump’s campaign organisers and advisers in the big house.
It’s probably going to go up to eight: Roger Stone is on trial now.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
dv said:I mean I don’t have a valuable opinion on it. I’m just saying that this appears to be a moot point, at the very least.
It’s not a good look when seven members of your team go to prison for offences including lying under oath to investigators. If everything were above board, that just wouldn’t be happening…
I’m not just trying to be curmudgeonly here but I find the offense of “lying to the wallopers” to be a really strange charge. I think it’s the FBI you’re not allowed to lie to but you can get away with it with a state trooper for instance.
Maybe I’m a bit too left on this but I reckon that charge is insane.
It has already landed a few of Trump’s campaign organisers and advisers in the big house.
Yep, I was aware that’s what caught a few of them out. I just think it’s a really bad law.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:I’m not a lawyer: contrary opinions by people who are lawyers to the above have been published in opinion pieces.
Righto. At least i didn’t imagine it.
I mean I don’t have a valuable opinion on it. I’m just saying that this appears to be a moot point, at the very least.
It’s not a good look when seven members of your team go to prison for offences including lying under oath to investigators. If everything were above board, that just wouldn’t be happening…
I’m not a lawyer either, but if people carry out actions with a specific intended result, and that intended result is illegal, I don’t see how that can’t be a criminal offence, even if they didn’t know it was illegal.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Righto. At least i didn’t imagine it.
I mean I don’t have a valuable opinion on it. I’m just saying that this appears to be a moot point, at the very least.
It’s not a good look when seven members of your team go to prison for offences including lying under oath to investigators. If everything were above board, that just wouldn’t be happening…
I’m not a lawyer either, but if people carry out actions with a specific intended result, and that intended result is illegal, I don’t see how that can’t be a criminal offence, even if they didn’t know it was illegal.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:I’m not just trying to be curmudgeonly here but I find the offense of “lying to the wallopers” to be a really strange charge. I think it’s the FBI you’re not allowed to lie to but you can get away with it with a state trooper for instance.
Maybe I’m a bit too left on this but I reckon that charge is insane.
It has already landed a few of Trump’s campaign organisers and advisers in the big house.
Yep, I was aware that’s what caught a few of them out. I just think it’s a really bad law.
What, forcing politicians and lawyers to be scrupulously honest is a bad law?
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:It has already landed a few of Trump’s campaign organisers and advisers in the big house.
Yep, I was aware that’s what caught a few of them out. I just think it’s a really bad law.
What, forcing politicians and lawyers to be scrupulously honest is a bad law?
No, lying to the FBI is a crime, I think that is a bad law.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Collusion requires ‘intent’. In this instance ignorance of the law is enough.
Sorry i should explain: the Trump people didn’t know that their involvement with Russian entities was illegal so there was no conspiracy to break the law. That is enough to get them off.
Nah, that’s not how it works. If something (like collusion) was illegal and they did it they are in trouble. Whether they knew it was illegal or not doesn’t matter. There is a very long tradition in common law countries that ignorance of the law is never an defence. Otherwise nobody would ever get prosecuted for anything.
It hangs on the definition of collusion/conspiracy in the law. It’s more complicated than the bog standard ‘ignorance is no excuse’ argument.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:For two years she hammered that Trump was a goner over the Russian affair. He’s still there.
I think you are biased. Yes, She has reported on everything Trump has done that was dodgy and/or impeachable. She has also explained why things have not happened.
Yes I am biased. I think she’s the left’s equivalent of Sean Hannity.
But but..it isn’t like Rachel can get him impeached. And it isn’t like impeachment can happen until a certain number of Republicans can be convinced that Trump has to go. It doesn’t matter how many Democrats or Tasmanians think he should go. But because there hasn’t been the numbers behind a reaction to bring forth the impeachment proceedings until recently (if there is) doesn’t mean that Rachel or others were wrong to be discussing Trump’s um…‘crimes’/inappropriate dealings.
Lindsey Graham has almost run out of things to say in defence of Trump.
“What I can tell you about the Trump policy toward Ukraine: It was incoherent. It depends on who you talk to; they seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo,” Graham told reporters on Wednesday.
“Fake Halloween cobwebs are being found in birds’ nests more than a week after Halloween, but it’s unclear how dangerous that can be.”
Well, it is the same as all the other pollution crafted for partygoers. Confetti may be one thing but silver paper shapes are another. Birds will also pull artificial fibres from wherever they may be and distribute them around the environment. I’m regularly finding this.roughbarked said:
“Fake Halloween cobwebs are being found in birds’ nests more than a week after Halloween, but it’s unclear how dangerous that can be.” Well, it is the same as all the other pollution crafted for partygoers. Confetti may be one thing but silver paper shapes are another. Birds will also pull artificial fibres from wherever they may be and distribute them around the environment. I’m regularly finding this.
We have a pair of Figbirds building a nest in the bamboo.
:)
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
“Fake Halloween cobwebs are being found in birds’ nests more than a week after Halloween, but it’s unclear how dangerous that can be.” Well, it is the same as all the other pollution crafted for partygoers. Confetti may be one thing but silver paper shapes are another. Birds will also pull artificial fibres from wherever they may be and distribute them around the environment. I’m regularly finding this.We have a pair of Figbirds building a nest in the bamboo.
:)
Yesterday I walked past the weeping mulberry to take a photograph of something, walking along looking at my phone. Found my first ripe tomato, walked back past the mulberry, stopped to take a photo of the tomato to send in a text. Sneezed and flap flap a bronzewing pigeon parted my hair as it flew up from right behind me, startled by the sneeze. I had walked past it twice without seeiing it. I mention this largely because it is the first time in forty years that I have recorded a bronzewing in this yard. Back in the 70’s, research proved that a ban should be made upon the practice of killing these birds for food in my area as they had become endangered of extinction.
Donald Trump to pay $2 million to settle New York Attorney General civil lawsuit against Trump Foundation and his children
Donald Trump to pay $2 million to settle New York Attorney General civil lawsuit against Trump Foundation and his children
By Erica Orden
Updated at 2109 GMT (0509 HKT) November 7, 2019
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(CNN) — A New York state judge ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million to a collection of nonprofit organizations in connection with a settlement with the New York state attorney general’s office to resolve a civil lawsuit alleging the foundation unlawfully coordinated with the 2016 Trump presidential campaign.
In her decision filed Thursday, Justice Saliann Scarpulla found that “Mr. Trump breached his fiduciary duty to the Foundation,” including by “allowing his campaign to orchestrate” a televised fundraiser ostensibly for the foundation in Des Moines, Iowa, in January 2016, and allowing the campaign to direct the distribution of the money raised from that event “to further Mr. Trump’s political campaign.”
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/trump-settlement-trump-foundation-new-york/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F
dv said:
Donald Trump to pay $2 million to settle New York Attorney General civil lawsuit against Trump Foundation and his childrenDonald Trump to pay $2 million to settle New York Attorney General civil lawsuit against Trump Foundation and his children
By Erica Orden
$4 million seems like a lot to me, but I suppose it’s nothing much to him.
Do we know what he is accused of, or does the $4 million keep it all confidential?
dv said:
Donald Trump to pay $2 million to settle New York Attorney General civil lawsuit against Trump Foundation and his childrenBy Erica Orden
Updated at 2109 GMT (0509 HKT) November 7, 2019
(CNN) — A New York state judge ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million to a collection of nonprofit organizations in connection with a settlement with the New York state attorney general’s office to resolve a civil lawsuit alleging the foundation unlawfully coordinated with the 2016 Trump presidential campaign.
In her decision filed Thursday, Justice Saliann Scarpulla found that “Mr. Trump breached his fiduciary duty to the Foundation,” including by “allowing his campaign to orchestrate” a televised fundraiser ostensibly for the foundation in Des Moines, Iowa, in January 2016, and allowing the campaign to direct the distribution of the money raised from that event “to further Mr. Trump’s political campaign.”
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/trump-settlement-trump-foundation-new-york/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F
Does that make more sense now the ads have been snipped out, Mr Rev?
From the transcript of Ambassador Taylor’s testimony:
THE CHAIRMAN: What do you deduce from that, that our alIy is fighting with the Russians, but all of these agencies that support this can’t get a meeting with the President to discuss it?”AMBASSADOR TAYLOR: It turns out, Mr. Chairman, that those principals, as we call them, were on different trips at different times. I think this was also about the time of the Greenland question about purchasing Greenland, which took up a lot of energy in the NSC.
THE CHAIRMAN: Okay, that’s disturbing for a whole different reason.
lol
Michael V said:
dv said:
Donald Trump to pay $2 million to settle New York Attorney General civil lawsuit against Trump Foundation and his childrenBy Erica Orden
Updated at 2109 GMT (0509 HKT) November 7, 2019
(CNN) — A New York state judge ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million to a collection of nonprofit organizations in connection with a settlement with the New York state attorney general’s office to resolve a civil lawsuit alleging the foundation unlawfully coordinated with the 2016 Trump presidential campaign.
In her decision filed Thursday, Justice Saliann Scarpulla found that “Mr. Trump breached his fiduciary duty to the Foundation,” including by “allowing his campaign to orchestrate” a televised fundraiser ostensibly for the foundation in Des Moines, Iowa, in January 2016, and allowing the campaign to direct the distribution of the money raised from that event “to further Mr. Trump’s political campaign.”
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/trump-settlement-trump-foundation-new-york/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F
Does that make more sense now the ads have been snipped out, Mr Rev?
Thanks.
I guess I ought to read the whole post before asking for more info :)
Bloomberg is thinking of entering the democratic race for nomination.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bloomberg is thinking of entering the democratic race for nomination.
And why?
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bloomberg is thinking of entering the democratic race for nomination.
And why?
You can’t have too many billionaires running for president; especially democrat billionaires, you know, the one’s that stick up for the average working Joe.
sibeen said:
Well I hope they don’t stand him next to Biden
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bloomberg is thinking of entering the democratic race for nomination.
And why?
You can’t have too many billionaires running for president; especially democrat billionaires, you know, the one’s that stick up for the average working Joe.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bloomberg is thinking of entering the democratic race for nomination.
And why?
The current crop of candidates is uninspiring they say. Bloomberg at least has executive experience and isn’t a moron so it’s win-win against Trump.
Lindsey Graham’s new line is that Gordon Sondland, the US ambassador to the EU who donated 1 million dollars to the Trump inaugural fund, is in “cahoots” with Democratic operatives.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lindsey-graham-claims-trump-donor-gordon-sondland-is-in-cahoots-with-democratic-operatives
dv said:
Nods.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Nods.
and me.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Nods.
He’s probably the porn star poster boy for extreme sexual deviants as well
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Nods.
and me.
and here we are.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:Nods.
and me.
and here we are.
It does make you wonder what he’d need to do to be deposed
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Nods.
and me.

ChrispenEvan said:
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:Nods.
and me.
“Noddy felt a little queer.”
There’s a banning right there.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:Nods.
and me.
and here we are.
An it’s all Rachel Maddow’s fault.
Trump peppered Kurt Volker, US envoy to the Ukraine, with negative views of Ukraine, including the idea that Ukraine was not a “real country”, that is “had always been part of Russia” and was “totally corrupt”.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/a-presidential-loathing-for-ukraine-is-at-the-heart-of-the-impeachment-inquiry/2019/11/02/8280ee60-fcc5-11e9-ac8c-8eced29ca6ef_story.html
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/trump-told-ukraine-ambassador-the-country-always-belonged-to-russia-report/
dv said:
Trump peppered Kurt Volker, US envoy to the Ukraine, with negative views of Ukraine, including the idea that Ukraine was not a “real country”, that is “had always been part of Russia” and was “totally corrupt”.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/a-presidential-loathing-for-ukraine-is-at-the-heart-of-the-impeachment-inquiry/2019/11/02/8280ee60-fcc5-11e9-ac8c-8eced29ca6ef_story.html
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/trump-told-ukraine-ambassador-the-country-always-belonged-to-russia-report/
I’d reckon that proves that Trump is influenced by Putin.
dv said:
Trump peppered Kurt Volker, US envoy to the Ukraine, with negative views of Ukraine, including the idea that Ukraine was not a “real country”, that is “had always been part of Russia” and was “totally corrupt”.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/a-presidential-loathing-for-ukraine-is-at-the-heart-of-the-impeachment-inquiry/2019/11/02/8280ee60-fcc5-11e9-ac8c-8eced29ca6ef_story.html
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/trump-told-ukraine-ambassador-the-country-always-belonged-to-russia-report/
He’d know about corruption.
party_pants said:
dv said:Trump peppered Kurt Volker, US envoy to the Ukraine, with negative views of Ukraine, including the idea that Ukraine was not a “real country”, that is “had always been part of Russia” and was “totally corrupt”.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/a-presidential-loathing-for-ukraine-is-at-the-heart-of-the-impeachment-inquiry/2019/11/02/8280ee60-fcc5-11e9-ac8c-8eced29ca6ef_story.html
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/trump-told-ukraine-ambassador-the-country-always-belonged-to-russia-report/
He’d know about corruption.
Yeah everyone other than himself is corrupt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/us/politics/trump-william-barr-ukraine-call.html
Attorney General William Barr refused an instruction from Donald Trump to hold a news conference saying that no laws were broken during the President’s call to the Ukraine.
Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon said in court on Friday that he and the Trump campaign viewed Roger Stone, a longtime Donald Trump associate, as an access point to WikiLeaks, the organization that leaked stolen emails that were damaging to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/08/politics/bannon-stone-wikileaks-court/index.html
In late 2017, Stone turned his attention to convincing Credico not to cooperate with the House Intelligence Committee, or with other investigations, including special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe. Stone encouraged Credico to “do a Frank Pentangeli” imitation. That’s a reference to a character in the movie Godfather Part II who reverses his plan to testify against organized crime boss Michael Corleone and lies to Congress after Corleone arranges to have Pentangeli’s brother brought from Sicily to the hearing. In 2018, as Credico began contradicting Stone in appearances on television and in interviews with Mother Jones, Stone bombarded Credico with insults and what prosecutors say were threats aimed at discouraging Credico from cooperating with Mueller or other investigators. “Prepare to die cock sucker,” Stone messaged Credico on April 9, 2018.
Washington (CNN)Former United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley divulged in her forthcoming memoir that former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and former White House chief of staff John Kelly attempted to recruit her to undermine President Donald Trump in an effort to “save the country,” according to The Washington Post.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/10/politics/nikki-haley-tillerson-kelly-save-the-country-recruit-white-house/index.html
President Trump Says He Is Weighing Putin’s Invitation to Russia Victory Day Parade
President Donald Trump says he’s weighing an invitation from Russian President Vladimir Putin to attend the May 9 Victory Day parade in Moscow.Trump tells reporters he appreciates the invitation from Putin, but the parade falls “right in the middle of political season,” so he’s not sure he can make it.
He adds: “I would love to go if I could.”
https://time.com/5723222/trump-putin-russian-parade/
I wonder what he’s been up to today?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14A1zxaHpD8
Here’s some radical looser advocating medicare for all in the USA.
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14A1zxaHpD8Here’s some radical looser advocating medicare for all in the USA.
He was probably high on pain-killers at the time.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14A1zxaHpD8Here’s some radical looser advocating medicare for all in the USA.
He was probably high on pain-killers at the time.
no good will come of it.
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14A1zxaHpD8Here’s some radical looser advocating medicare for all in the USA.
Imagine that.
There’s a dozen or so states where the personal bankruptcy rate is higher than the divorce rate, and a few where it’s lower, but for the most part it’s the same. And the most common reason given? Medical debt.
Good system, guys.
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14A1zxaHpD8Here’s some radical looser advocating medicare for all in the USA.
Imagine that.
There’s a dozen or so states where the personal bankruptcy rate is higher than the divorce rate, and a few where it’s lower, but for the most part it’s the same. And the most common reason given? Medical debt.
Good system, guys.
Also, they spend around 18% of GDP on health care. Most countries with universal health care spend 10-12%.
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14A1zxaHpD8Here’s some radical looser advocating medicare for all in the USA.
Imagine that.
There’s a dozen or so states where the personal bankruptcy rate is higher than the divorce rate, and a few where it’s lower, but for the most part it’s the same. And the most common reason given? Medical debt.
Good system, guys.
Also, they spend around 18% of GDP on health care. Most countries with universal health care spend 10-12%.
All Americans are stupid.
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:Imagine that.
There’s a dozen or so states where the personal bankruptcy rate is higher than the divorce rate, and a few where it’s lower, but for the most part it’s the same. And the most common reason given? Medical debt.
Good system, guys.
Also, they spend around 18% of GDP on health care. Most countries with universal health care spend 10-12%.
All Americans are stupid.
except the Mythbusters.
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14A1zxaHpD8Here’s some radical looser advocating medicare for all in the USA.
Imagine that.
There’s a dozen or so states where the personal bankruptcy rate is higher than the divorce rate, and a few where it’s lower, but for the most part it’s the same. And the most common reason given? Medical debt.
Good system, guys.
Also, they spend around 18% of GDP on health care. Most countries with universal health care spend 10-12%.
It’s not about the cost at all. It’s about Government controlling everyone’s healthcare, and then they control you.
“What? You need two weeks of antibiotics for that cut you got while gardening or you’ll die from an infection? Lessee here… oh… my… it says here that three weeks ago, you were critical of how we were running things, according to your 3rd grade daughter. Can’t have that now, can we? Sorry, but we can’t give you antibiotics at this time. NEXT!”
That was the response I got in a thread on a USA site. Some of them really are completely brain dead.
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:Also, they spend around 18% of GDP on health care. Most countries with universal health care spend 10-12%.
All Americans are stupid.
except the Mythbusters.
They’re Canadian.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:Imagine that.
There’s a dozen or so states where the personal bankruptcy rate is higher than the divorce rate, and a few where it’s lower, but for the most part it’s the same. And the most common reason given? Medical debt.
Good system, guys.
Also, they spend around 18% of GDP on health care. Most countries with universal health care spend 10-12%.
It’s not about the cost at all. It’s about Government controlling everyone’s healthcare, and then they control you.
“What? You need two weeks of antibiotics for that cut you got while gardening or you’ll die from an infection? Lessee here… oh… my… it says here that three weeks ago, you were critical of how we were running things, according to your 3rd grade daughter. Can’t have that now, can we? Sorry, but we can’t give you antibiotics at this time. NEXT!”
That was the response I got in a thread on a USA site. Some of them really are completely brain dead.
Well, it does mean having a massive government department spending about 10% of their national GDP. I can understand that scares them. Or maybe it is immigrant doctors making decisions on their health care.
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:All Americans are stupid.
except the Mythbusters.
They’re Canadian.
I don’t know aboot that. I’ve never heard them speak Canadian.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:Imagine that.
There’s a dozen or so states where the personal bankruptcy rate is higher than the divorce rate, and a few where it’s lower, but for the most part it’s the same. And the most common reason given? Medical debt.
Good system, guys.
Also, they spend around 18% of GDP on health care. Most countries with universal health care spend 10-12%.
It’s not about the cost at all. It’s about Government controlling everyone’s healthcare, and then they control you.
“What? You need two weeks of antibiotics for that cut you got while gardening or you’ll die from an infection? Lessee here… oh… my… it says here that three weeks ago, you were critical of how we were running things, according to your 3rd grade daughter. Can’t have that now, can we? Sorry, but we can’t give you antibiotics at this time. NEXT!”
That was the response I got in a thread on a USA site. Some of them really are completely brain dead.
I know people who wont get help (mental health treatment for obvious problems, Naltrexone for alcoholism) because they believe it will damage their availability of care later. They don’t wont it on their ‘permanent record’.
Not going to matter much if their permanent record ends because of the f’n problem they’re not getting treatment for….
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Also, they spend around 18% of GDP on health care. Most countries with universal health care spend 10-12%.
It’s not about the cost at all. It’s about Government controlling everyone’s healthcare, and then they control you.
“What? You need two weeks of antibiotics for that cut you got while gardening or you’ll die from an infection? Lessee here… oh… my… it says here that three weeks ago, you were critical of how we were running things, according to your 3rd grade daughter. Can’t have that now, can we? Sorry, but we can’t give you antibiotics at this time. NEXT!”
That was the response I got in a thread on a USA site. Some of them really are completely brain dead.
Well, it does mean having a massive government department spending about 10% of their national GDP. I can understand that scares them. Or maybe it is immigrant doctors making decisions on their health care.
The US government programs ‘Medicare’ (for those over 65) and Medicaid (for the poorest) already exceed 10% of their GDP with still over 10% of the population uninsured. Arguments against ‘big government’ are basically crap.
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:except the Mythbusters.
They’re Canadian.
I don’t know aboot that. I’ve never heard them speak Canadian.
Actually, just looked that up – Might have been crap.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:It’s not about the cost at all. It’s about Government controlling everyone’s healthcare, and then they control you.
“What? You need two weeks of antibiotics for that cut you got while gardening or you’ll die from an infection? Lessee here… oh… my… it says here that three weeks ago, you were critical of how we were running things, according to your 3rd grade daughter. Can’t have that now, can we? Sorry, but we can’t give you antibiotics at this time. NEXT!”
That was the response I got in a thread on a USA site. Some of them really are completely brain dead.
Well, it does mean having a massive government department spending about 10% of their national GDP. I can understand that scares them. Or maybe it is immigrant doctors making decisions on their health care.
The US government programs ‘Medicare’ (for those over 65) and Medicaid (for the poorest) already exceed 10% of their GDP with still over 10% of the population uninsured. Arguments against ‘big government’ are basically crap.
It is going to be a massive task to set up a proper health care system, without it turning into a clusterfuck.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:Well, it does mean having a massive government department spending about 10% of their national GDP. I can understand that scares them. Or maybe it is immigrant doctors making decisions on their health care.
The US government programs ‘Medicare’ (for those over 65) and Medicaid (for the poorest) already exceed 10% of their GDP with still over 10% of the population uninsured. Arguments against ‘big government’ are basically crap.
It is going to be a massive task to set up a proper health care system, without it turning into a clusterfuck.
I don’t think they should bother even trying. Like what’s the worst that can happen.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The US government programs ‘Medicare’ (for those over 65) and Medicaid (for the poorest) already exceed 10% of their GDP with still over 10% of the population uninsured. Arguments against ‘big government’ are basically crap.
It is going to be a massive task to set up a proper health care system, without it turning into a clusterfuck.
I don’t think they should bother even trying. Like what’s the worst that can happen.
I might cross them off my personal list of civilised countries.
Now they wouldn’t want that.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:It is going to be a massive task to set up a proper health care system, without it turning into a clusterfuck.
I don’t think they should bother even trying. Like what’s the worst that can happen.
I might cross them off my personal list of civilised countries.
Now they wouldn’t want that.
Reminds me of the time Ghandi was asked what he thought of Western civilisation: “I think it would be a very good idea.”
btm said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:I don’t think they should bother even trying. Like what’s the worst that can happen.
I might cross them off my personal list of civilised countries.
Now they wouldn’t want that.
Reminds me of the time Ghandi was asked what he thought of Western civilisation: “I think it would be a very good idea.”
The Anglo countries seem to be abandoning western civilisation, the Europeans are still at the forefront of it.
party_pants said:
btm said:
party_pants said:I might cross them off my personal list of civilised countries.
Now they wouldn’t want that.
Reminds me of the time Ghandi was asked what he thought of Western civilisation: “I think it would be a very good idea.”
The Anglo countries seem to be abandoning western civilisation, the Europeans are still at the forefront of it.
Bloody Kiwis.
But seriously, which countries are you talking about, and in what sense are they abandoning western civilisation?
NYT’s Nate Cohn and Nate Silver and friends discuss Trump’s 2020 advantage in the Electoral College. It would seem that they would expect a 3% advantage, would be unsurprised by a 5% advantage and beyond that would be unlikely.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/politics-podcast-could-trump-lose-the-popular-vote-and-win-again/
That is to say, if the Democrat won the popular vote by 2%, you’d expect them to lose the Electoral College.
If the Democrat won the popular vote by 5%, the Democrat would probably win the Electoral College but there’s certainly a chance Trump would win.
If the Democrat won the popular vote by 7%, we would expect the Democrat to win the Electoral College.
He discovered that all these men shared the understanding that no dictator can rule through fear and violence alone.
They knew they had to create the illusion of almost universal popular support, in the form of things like carefully choreographed parades, and the illusion of a ‘shroud of mystery’ around the leader.
The dictators would then encouraged the population at large to glorify them further them to ensure their own survival, while herding the people down the road to serfdom, and often death.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/conversations/frank-dikotter/11675242
wonder where we’v’ seen that recently
Interesting tactic.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-13/gun-manufacturer-sandy-hook-shooting-remington-arms-co/11699178
They say that in every joke there’s a kernel of truth. But in the Trump administration, you might not even find a kernel in some top officials’ résumés.
Schiff ahead of public hearings: Trump tried to scheme with Ukraine – as it happened
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On Tuesday it emerged that a top official in the Trump administration added more than a little embellishment to her CV: according to an NBC News investigation, Mina Chang flaunted a Harvard education that in fact amounted to a seven-week course in 2016; she invented herself a role on a UN panel; and even created a fake Time magazine cover with her face on it.
Maybe she was just following in her boss’s footsteps – after all, Trump has shown himself to be partial to fake covers. In 2017, he was asked to remove his own phoney framed Time covers from several of his golf clubs.
But for Chang, the deputy assistant secretary in the state department’s Bureau of Conflict and Stability Operations, who started her job in April, the Time cover seemingly wasn’t enough.
Chang’s exaggerated claims about being a Harvard alumna are betrayed by her own Linkedin page (which has since been taken down), which shows she undertook an Advanced Management Program at Harvard Business School – a seven-week course that costs $82,000.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/12/trump-official-mina-chang-fake-time-magazine-nbc
Well folks this week, impeachment hearings go public. We’re finally gonna get to watch. We’re going to get to see the testimonies. Everything’s going to be awesome. Donald Trump is going to look horrible. We’re going to learn more about his crimes and yes, it’s obvious he did commit some crimes and Democrats are going to be patting themselves on the back all along the way. Now here’s the problem I have with impeachment. I fully support it. Absolutely, but what I think is a mistake is for those Democrats out there and you see them all the time on social media saying that this impeachment proceeding is going to cost Donald Trump the 2020 election. We saw in polls last week that 62% of his followers will not under any circumstances, stop supporting him. No matter what he does. That’s not good and that is just one indicator that impeachment alone is not going to cost him 2020 because yeah, the house is going to impeach him. That’s obvious. They’ve got the votes already. Everything from this point forward is kind of just for show. Since it’s not going to convict and remove him, it’s just not going to happen. Mitch McConnell could actually decide to not even bring the trial forward. Impeachment could die in the house even if the house passes it. so what do we do? Well, for one, these public hearings happening this week are a good thing because it will let the public see maybe some of those folks on the fence that, yeah, it’s pretty obvious. President committed some crimes with his extortion threats. That’s going to help sway a few people. Other people won’t be paying that much attention, believe it or not. I know we do this every day, folks watching this everyday you’re involved. Most people actually aren’t. They simply aren’t. They don’t know. They don’t pay attention. They really don’t care. They go about their daily lives. They’re too busy worrying about how they’re going to pay their bills to spend too much time worrying about what’s happening far off in Washington DC and there’s nothing wrong with that either. So how do you reach those people if they’re not paying a pinch, uh, attention to impeachment or maybe they’re on the fence, but they watch Fox news so they think it’s all BS. You beat them with policy. Impeachment alone won’t beat Donald Trump in 2020 but what we’ll defeat him coupled with impeachment or even on its own is policy. The people out there, the two candidates out there pushing the most aggressive policies, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, they are the ones who have a very real shot at beating Donald Trump. I know sometimes in the head to head ups, it doesn’t look like they can, I know it shows Biden polls better against Trump. Those will change. Trust me, Biden can’t beat Donald Trump. That’s a sad reality. We have to live with Bernie can. Elizabeth Warren definitely has the possibility to do it too. I can’t necessarily say at the moment that she can. I feel that she can. Polls have been a little iffy on her compared to Bernie Sanders who mostly beats him. I still think Elizabeth would win just like I think Bernie would win and that’s why I think the two of them teaming up for a ticket is the best thing that could ever possibly happen to the democratic party. They are the two candidates with the most aggressive policies. Bernie’s a little bit more aggressive than Elizabeth Warren’s. Obviously Bernie is more trusted on the issues. Bernie knows how to stick to issues and not get involved in personal attacks.
Impeachment Alone Won’t Defeat Donald Trump In 2020- Ring of fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5izrmB56F8
“ a seven-week course that costs $82,000.”
Damn, that better be some good course…
“President Trump claimed Tuesday that his daughter Ivanka Trump—who is also a White House senior adviser—has created 14 million jobs, according to Mediaite. “My daughter Ivanka, that’s all she wants to talk about… she wants to make these people have great lives. And when she started this, two and half years ago, her goal was 500,000 jobs,” the president said at the Economic Club of New York while discussing the administration’s “Pledge to America’s Workers.” “She has now created 14 million jobs and they are being trained by these great companies, the greatest companies in the world, because the government cannot train them. It’s a great thing.” Trump offered no evidence or explanation at how he’d arrived at the stunning figure.”*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTq_eMhX8Rs
—-
but perhaps they were created in another country?
sarahs mum said:
“President Trump claimed Tuesday that his daughter Ivanka Trump—who is also a White House senior adviser—has created 14 million jobs, according to Mediaite. “My daughter Ivanka, that’s all she wants to talk about… she wants to make these people have great lives. And when she started this, two and half years ago, her goal was 500,000 jobs,” the president said at the Economic Club of New York while discussing the administration’s “Pledge to America’s Workers.” “She has now created 14 million jobs and they are being trained by these great companies, the greatest companies in the world, because the government cannot train them. It’s a great thing.” Trump offered no evidence or explanation at how he’d arrived at the stunning figure.”*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTq_eMhX8Rs
—-but perhaps they were created in another country?
This is possible and most likely, Chinese workers making Make America Great caps
sarahs mum said:
“President Trump claimed Tuesday that his daughter Ivanka Trump—who is also a White House senior adviser—has created 14 million jobs, according to Mediaite. “My daughter Ivanka, that’s all she wants to talk about… she wants to make these people have great lives. And when she started this, two and half years ago, her goal was 500,000 jobs,” the president said at the Economic Club of New York while discussing the administration’s “Pledge to America’s Workers.” “She has now created 14 million jobs and they are being trained by these great companies, the greatest companies in the world, because the government cannot train them. It’s a great thing.” Trump offered no evidence or explanation at how he’d arrived at the stunning figure.”*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTq_eMhX8Rs
—-but perhaps they were created in another country?
Are we allowed to declare this fake news?
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
“President Trump claimed Tuesday that his daughter Ivanka Trump—who is also a White House senior adviser—has created 14 million jobs, according to Mediaite. “My daughter Ivanka, that’s all she wants to talk about… she wants to make these people have great lives. And when she started this, two and half years ago, her goal was 500,000 jobs,” the president said at the Economic Club of New York while discussing the administration’s “Pledge to America’s Workers.” “She has now created 14 million jobs and they are being trained by these great companies, the greatest companies in the world, because the government cannot train them. It’s a great thing.” Trump offered no evidence or explanation at how he’d arrived at the stunning figure.”*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTq_eMhX8Rs
—-but perhaps they were created in another country?
This is possible and most likely, Chinese workers making Make America Great caps
So it is a board that Ivanka is a member on that has overseen a project that has given training opportunities to 6 million workers.
Trump took this to 14 million new jobs. As you would.
It will be hard to get used to a POTUS who isn’t both an inveterate liar and astonishing blowhard. Heck a greater than 80 IQ will be a shock.
Witty Rejoinder said:
It will be hard to get used to a POTUS who isn’t both an inveterate liar and astonishing blowhard. Heck a greater than 80 IQ will be a shock.
How we laughed when GW Bush won an election.
Witty Rejoinder said:
It will be hard to get used to a POTUS who isn’t both an inveterate liar and astonishing blowhard. Heck a greater than 80 IQ will be a shock.
To be fair there are politicians across the board that have the odd problem with lies and exaggerations.
sarahs mum said:
“President Trump claimed Tuesday that his daughter Ivanka Trump—who is also a White House senior adviser—has created 14 million jobs, according to Mediaite. “My daughter Ivanka, that’s all she wants to talk about… she wants to make these people have great lives. And when she started this, two and half years ago, her goal was 500,000 jobs,” the president said at the Economic Club of New York while discussing the administration’s “Pledge to America’s Workers.” “She has now created 14 million jobs and they are being trained by these great companies, the greatest companies in the world, because the government cannot train them. It’s a great thing.” Trump offered no evidence or explanation at how he’d arrived at the stunning figure.”*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTq_eMhX8Rs
—-but perhaps they were created in another country?
fact checkers
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
It will be hard to get used to a POTUS who isn’t both an inveterate liar and astonishing blowhard. Heck a greater than 80 IQ will be a shock.
How we laughed when GW Bush won an election.
Ah well at least we know that they absolutely positively can’t elect a worse president than this, ever
dv said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
It will be hard to get used to a POTUS who isn’t both an inveterate liar and astonishing blowhard. Heck a greater than 80 IQ will be a shock.
How we laughed when GW Bush won an election.
Ah well at least we know that they absolutely positively can’t elect a worse president than this, ever
Kayne West reckons he’ll have a go….
dv said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
It will be hard to get used to a POTUS who isn’t both an inveterate liar and astonishing blowhard. Heck a greater than 80 IQ will be a shock.
How we laughed when GW Bush won an election.
Ah well at least we know that they absolutely positively can’t elect a worse president than this, ever
American Electorate
“Hold my beer…”
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
It will be hard to get used to a POTUS who isn’t both an inveterate liar and astonishing blowhard. Heck a greater than 80 IQ will be a shock.
To be fair there are politicians across the board that have the odd problem with lies and exaggerations.
Trump is the first one to really embrace using social media for transmission of his lies and exaggerations, though… but sure, maybe this is just the dawning of a new era of POTUS communication (not really using the official POTUS accounts) and Trump is the pioneer..
Over the past three years 150 Trump-nominated federal judges have been approved by the Senate, many of them hopelessly unqualfied with no federal court experience at all, and disapproved by the American Bar Association. In the 8 years of his presidency, Obama did not put forward a single federal judge nominee not approved by the ABA. Trump has been able to fill so many positions because in the last year and a half of the Obama admin, the Republican controlled senate refused to conduct interviews of any federal judges Obama nominated.
dv said:
Over the past three years 150 Trump-nominated federal judges have been approved by the Senate, many of them hopelessly unqualfied with no federal court experience at all, and disapproved by the American Bar Association. In the 8 years of his presidency, Obama did not put forward a single federal judge nominee not approved by the ABA. Trump has been able to fill so many positions because in the last year and a half of the Obama admin, the Republican controlled senate refused to conduct interviews of any federal judges Obama nominated.
It is going to take them a decade or more to recover from Trump.
I welcome our new German and Japanese overlords. Strange how the Axis powers are now regarded as more sensible, responsible and stable.
dv said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
It will be hard to get used to a POTUS who isn’t both an inveterate liar and astonishing blowhard. Heck a greater than 80 IQ will be a shock.
How we laughed when GW Bush won an election.
Ah well at least we know that they absolutely positively can’t elect a worse president than this, ever
Are there any good Trump jokes?
At least Dubya had a good joke to his name:
Punch line:
American plastic surgeon describing his greatest achievement.
…
All I had to work with was a cowboy’s hat and a horses arse hole, but I put that young man back together.
And 10 years later he was president of the USA.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
party_pants said:How we laughed when GW Bush won an election.
Ah well at least we know that they absolutely positively can’t elect a worse president than this, ever
Are there any good Trump jokes?
At least Dubya had a good joke to his name:
Punch line:
American plastic surgeon describing his greatest achievement.
…
All I had to work with was a cowboy’s hat and a horses arse hole, but I put that young man back together.
And 10 years later he was president of the USA.
All I had to deal with was a dead skunk from the middle of the road which I had to dye orange, the mouth of a guppie and the hands of an underage crotch grabber. He is now using those tools to make a big stink.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Are there any good Trump jokes?
“Considering we’ve produced things like Donal Trump and the Kardashians, I’m a little surprised other countries haven’t built a wall around us already.”
How does Donald Trump change a lightbulb?
He holds the bulb and waits for the world to revolve around him.
Trump is like a diaper Self absorbed and full of shit
“I’m voting for Trump because he speaks his mind.”
Well, so does my two year old. It doesn’t mean she’s right for office
Trump can run for president with no political experience but I need a masters and 5 years experience for an entry level job
What does Melania Trump see in Donald Trump?
“Two billion dollars and high cholesterol!”
Donald Trump is what happens when you tell a child all his ideas are special.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Are there any good Trump jokes?
Donald Trump is what happens when you tell a child all his ideas are special.
and allow all of his tantrums to be rewarded.
captain_spalding said:
“I’m voting for Trump because he speaks his mind.”
Well, so does my two year old. It doesn’t mean she’s right for office
I dunno. Mini Me would tell Kim Jong-un he farted, that the Saudis aren’t her best friends anymore and ScoMo is a silly cakeface bum-smell.
What else does a world leader need to do?
Divine Angel said:
captain_spalding said:“I’m voting for Trump because he speaks his mind.”
Well, so does my two year old. It doesn’t mean she’s right for officeI dunno. Mini Me would tell Kim Jong-un he farted, that the Saudis aren’t her best friends anymore and ScoMo is a silly cakeface bum-smell.
What else does a world leader need to do?
shirtfronting.
Oh she can’t shirtfront. She prefers to be naked.
Divine Angel said:
Oh she can’t shirtfront. She prefers to be naked.
:)
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
party_pants said:How we laughed when GW Bush won an election.
Ah well at least we know that they absolutely positively can’t elect a worse president than this, ever
Are there any good Trump jokes?
At least Dubya had a good joke to his name:
Punch line:
American plastic surgeon describing his greatest achievement.
…
All I had to work with was a cowboy’s hat and a horses arse hole, but I put that young man back together.
And 10 years later he was president of the USA.
The thing about Trump is that you don’t need to make up jokes. Some of the shit he says and does is straight hilarious.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Ah well at least we know that they absolutely positively can’t elect a worse president than this, ever
Are there any good Trump jokes?
At least Dubya had a good joke to his name:
Punch line:
American plastic surgeon describing his greatest achievement.
…
All I had to work with was a cowboy’s hat and a horses arse hole, but I put that young man back together.
And 10 years later he was president of the USA.The thing about Trump is that you don’t need to make up jokes. Some of the shit he says and does is
straightterrifically hilarious.
fixed.
Divine Angel said:
captain_spalding said:“I’m voting for Trump because he speaks his mind.”
Well, so does my two year old. It doesn’t mean she’s right for officeI dunno. Mini Me would tell Kim Jong-un he farted, that the Saudis aren’t her best friends anymore and ScoMo is a silly cakeface bum-smell.
What else does a world leader need to do?
QED
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Are there any good Trump jokes?
“Considering we’ve produced things like Donal Trump and the Kardashians, I’m a little surprised other countries haven’t built a wall around us already.”
How does Donald Trump change a lightbulb?
He holds the bulb and waits for the world to revolve around him.Trump is like a diaper Self absorbed and full of shit
“I’m voting for Trump because he speaks his mind.”
Well, so does my two year old. It doesn’t mean she’s right for officeTrump can run for president with no political experience but I need a masters and 5 years experience for an entry level job
What does Melania Trump see in Donald Trump?
“Two billion dollars and high cholesterol!”Donald Trump is what happens when you tell a child all his ideas are special.
Good ones.
I like this song too:
Fergus Laing
https://youtu.be/kU-wG4017EY
Fox News’s Judge Napolitano urges Republicans to impeach Trump
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Are there any good Trump jokes?
“Considering we’ve produced things like Donal Trump and the Kardashians, I’m a little surprised other countries haven’t built a wall around us already.”
How does Donald Trump change a lightbulb?
He holds the bulb and waits for the world to revolve around him.Trump is like a diaper Self absorbed and full of shit
“I’m voting for Trump because he speaks his mind.”
Well, so does my two year old. It doesn’t mean she’s right for officeTrump can run for president with no political experience but I need a masters and 5 years experience for an entry level job
What does Melania Trump see in Donald Trump?
“Two billion dollars and high cholesterol!”Donald Trump is what happens when you tell a child all his ideas are special.
How long would Trump last here as PM?
The Donald Trump impeachment hearings have begun, so will Republicans continue to support him?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-14/the-trump-impeachment-hearings-have-begun/11703412
I reckon Trump will go like Nixon did.
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Donald Trump impeachment hearings have begun, so will Republicans continue to support him?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-14/the-trump-impeachment-hearings-have-begun/11703412
yes. probably.
Tau.Neutrino said:
I reckon Trump will go like Nixon did.
I reckon…that the house will find a huge long list of grounds for impeachment. And I reckon…the upper house might never hear them. And if they do they will ignore what they hear.
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I reckon Trump will go like Nixon did.I reckon…that the house will find a huge long list of grounds for impeachment. And I reckon…the upper house might never hear them. And if they do they will ignore what they hear.
They don’t really need to. it is less than a year now till the election. If they can make a convincing enough case to sway the voters then that would harm Trump’s re-election prospects. After he loses office they can go after him with actual criminal proceedings and send him to jail.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I reckon Trump will go like Nixon did.I reckon…that the house will find a huge long list of grounds for impeachment. And I reckon…the upper house might never hear them. And if they do they will ignore what they hear.
They don’t really need to. it is less than a year now till the election. If they can make a convincing enough case to sway the voters then that would harm Trump’s re-election prospects. After he loses office they can go after him with actual criminal proceedings and send him to jail.
I have a few on Facebook. I don’t comment any more. Not many of them are swayed. Most of them are stuck like glue.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I reckon Trump will go like Nixon did.I reckon…that the house will find a huge long list of grounds for impeachment. And I reckon…the upper house might never hear them. And if they do they will ignore what they hear.
They don’t really need to. it is less than a year now till the election. If they can make a convincing enough case to sway the voters then that would harm Trump’s re-election prospects. After he loses office they can go after him with actual criminal proceedings and send him to jail.
That’d be a terrible result. Not Trump losing the election, but sending him to gaol, I suspect that would be going to far and making bipartisan government a thing of the past.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:I reckon…that the house will find a huge long list of grounds for impeachment. And I reckon…the upper house might never hear them. And if they do they will ignore what they hear.
They don’t really need to. it is less than a year now till the election. If they can make a convincing enough case to sway the voters then that would harm Trump’s re-election prospects. After he loses office they can go after him with actual criminal proceedings and send him to jail.
That’d be a terrible result. Not Trump losing the election, but sending him to gaol, I suspect that would be going to far and making bipartisan government a thing of the past.
What about tax evasion?
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:They don’t really need to. it is less than a year now till the election. If they can make a convincing enough case to sway the voters then that would harm Trump’s re-election prospects. After he loses office they can go after him with actual criminal proceedings and send him to jail.
That’d be a terrible result. Not Trump losing the election, but sending him to gaol, I suspect that would be going to far and making bipartisan government a thing of the past.
What about tax evasion?
What about it?
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:I reckon…that the house will find a huge long list of grounds for impeachment. And I reckon…the upper house might never hear them. And if they do they will ignore what they hear.
They don’t really need to. it is less than a year now till the election. If they can make a convincing enough case to sway the voters then that would harm Trump’s re-election prospects. After he loses office they can go after him with actual criminal proceedings and send him to jail.
That’d be a terrible result. Not Trump losing the election, but sending him to gaol, I suspect that would be going to far and making bipartisan government a thing of the past.
Bipartisan government has already been trashed. If anything there will be a purge and everyone will be falling over themselves to disassociate themselves from Trump.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:That’d be a terrible result. Not Trump losing the election, but sending him to gaol, I suspect that would be going to far and making bipartisan government a thing of the past.
What about tax evasion?
What about it?
Would that be okay to go to jail for? just asking…
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:They don’t really need to. it is less than a year now till the election. If they can make a convincing enough case to sway the voters then that would harm Trump’s re-election prospects. After he loses office they can go after him with actual criminal proceedings and send him to jail.
That’d be a terrible result. Not Trump losing the election, but sending him to gaol, I suspect that would be going to far and making bipartisan government a thing of the past.
Bipartisan government has already been trashed. If anything there will be a purge and everyone will be falling over themselves to disassociate themselves from Trump.
And the minute a Democrat President farts in the presence of another head of state, or has a meeting behind closed doors with an attractive person of the opposite sex, or a multitude of other minor sins, misdemeanors, or sheer human foibles then the Republicans will be out for blood. I really think impeaching Trump would be a phyric victory, gaoling him definitely would be.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:What about tax evasion?
What about it?
Would that be okay to go to jail for? just asking…
Yes, but I suspect that ship has passed. If you got him on tax avoidance now it would only be seen as vindictive and be a phyric victory. The backlash would be severe.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:That’d be a terrible result. Not Trump losing the election, but sending him to gaol, I suspect that would be going to far and making bipartisan government a thing of the past.
Bipartisan government has already been trashed. If anything there will be a purge and everyone will be falling over themselves to disassociate themselves from Trump.
And the minute a Democrat President farts in the presence of another head of state, or has a meeting behind closed doors with an attractive person of the opposite sex, or a multitude of other minor sins, misdemeanors, or sheer human foibles then the Republicans will be out for blood. I really think impeaching Trump would be a phyric victory, gaoling him definitely would be.
I reckon the opposite. Impeachment is necessarily a political process. After he leaves office he is open to any of the FBO, Department of Justice, tax office etc to go after him for actual crimes. The new administration can just wash their hands of it and say that they respect the professional process and the courts etc and they must be hands off and let matters take their own course. The only pressure will be on the next president to pardon him.
Well, that is the full majesty of my uniformed and ignorant reckoning.
You are free to disagree of course.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/13/trump-impeachment-hearings-panel-verdict
Roger Stone: Trump adviser found guilty on all counts in WikiLeaks hacking case
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/15/politics/roger-stone-trial-verdict/index.html
It’s when you see what the black spaces spell out that you get the point. Quite clever.
party_pants said:
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It’s when you see what the black spaces spell out that you get the point. Quite clever.
Ta.
Trump ignores Pentagon advice and intervenes in military war crimes cases
President Donald Trump ignored Pentagon advice Friday and pardoned two service members, while also restoring the rank of a third after all faced war crimes allegations.
Trump granted full pardons to Army 1st Lt. Clint Lorance and Army Major Mathew Golsteyn, and restored the rank of Navy SEAL Eddie R. Gallagher, who had been demoted.
Defense Secretary Mark Esper and other senior military leaders had told the President that a presidential pardon could potentially damage the integrity of the military judicial system, the ability of military leaders to ensure good order and discipline, and the confidence of US allies and partners who host US troops.
A US Defense official told CNN that the leadership of the Defense Department made every effort to ensure that the President had all the necessary information at his disposal prior to making this decision.
dv said:
Trump ignores Pentagon advice and intervenes in military war crimes casesPresident Donald Trump ignored Pentagon advice Friday and pardoned two service members, while also restoring the rank of a third after all faced war crimes allegations.
Trump granted full pardons to Army 1st Lt. Clint Lorance and Army Major Mathew Golsteyn, and restored the rank of Navy SEAL Eddie R. Gallagher, who had been demoted.
Defense Secretary Mark Esper and other senior military leaders had told the President that a presidential pardon could potentially damage the integrity of the military judicial system, the ability of military leaders to ensure good order and discipline, and the confidence of US allies and partners who host US troops.
A US Defense official told CNN that the leadership of the Defense Department made every effort to ensure that the President had all the necessary information at his disposal prior to making this decision.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/15/politics/trump-war-crimes-intervenes/index.html
Meanwhile Ohio is sharing this.

dv said:
dv said:
Trump ignores Pentagon advice and intervenes in military war crimes casesPresident Donald Trump ignored Pentagon advice Friday and pardoned two service members, while also restoring the rank of a third after all faced war crimes allegations.
Trump granted full pardons to Army 1st Lt. Clint Lorance and Army Major Mathew Golsteyn, and restored the rank of Navy SEAL Eddie R. Gallagher, who had been demoted.
Defense Secretary Mark Esper and other senior military leaders had told the President that a presidential pardon could potentially damage the integrity of the military judicial system, the ability of military leaders to ensure good order and discipline, and the confidence of US allies and partners who host US troops.
A US Defense official told CNN that the leadership of the Defense Department made every effort to ensure that the President had all the necessary information at his disposal prior to making this decision.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/15/politics/trump-war-crimes-intervenes/index.html
remember how dam Sad just opened up the prisons when the United American Estates hawks came knocking, remember those WMDs
dv said:
dv said:
In a few weeks there will be State elections in five US states which might be a useful indication of how things are going for the major parties. They’ll be important in their own right, as in the US the Federal electoral boundaries are determined by the state governments. Kentucky and Mississippi currently have Republican trifectas (ie House, Senate and Governor are held by one party), and New Jersey has a Democratic trifecta.Bold, in this table, indicates elections that will be held this year. e.g in NJ, the House election will be held, but not the Gubernatorial or Senate elections.
Results are still on their way in but at present it appears that the Kentucky governorship has been picked up by the Democrats. The Dems have also picked up several seats in Virginia and seem certain to win the House election there. Haven’t heard from Joysy yet. The Democrats have made gains in Missississississississippi but probably not enough to win control of the legislature: governor’s race will be close.
I included Louisiana in this list but that election will be nine days hence.
The Democrats’ John Bel Edwards has won the Louisiana governor election. With 96% counted he is 2% up.
https://voterportal.sos.la.gov/graphical
To review:
All up it was a successful election cycle for Democrats.
They picked up both houses of the Virginia state legislature. They already held the governorship in Virginia, so this clears the way for ending the state and federal gerrymander there. It also means that 38% states will soon have ratified the Equal Rights Amendment, which should see it added to the Constitution.
They also picked up the Kentucky governorship.
There were status Quo results in Louisiana, Mississippi, and New Jersey.
Meanwhile in Ohio…

Got to hand it to Nancy Pelosi in a press conference after the 2nd day of testimony:
“It’s called an inquiry. And if the president has something that is exculpatory … Mr. President, that means you have anything that shows your innocence … then he should make that known and that’s part of the inquiry. And so far, we haven’t seen that, but we welcome it. And that’s what an inquiry’s about.”
dv said:
Got to hand it to Nancy Pelosi in a press conference after the 2nd day of testimony:“It’s called an inquiry. And if the president has something that is exculpatory … Mr. President, that means you have anything that shows your innocence … then he should make that known and that’s part of the inquiry. And so far, we haven’t seen that, but we welcome it. And that’s what an inquiry’s about.”
LOL
Michael V said:
dv said:
Got to hand it to Nancy Pelosi in a press conference after the 2nd day of testimony:“It’s called an inquiry. And if the president has something that is exculpatory … Mr. President, that means you have anything that shows your innocence … then he should make that known and that’s part of the inquiry. And so far, we haven’t seen that, but we welcome it. And that’s what an inquiry’s about.”
LOL
And it’s a LOL from me too.
ruby said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Got to hand it to Nancy Pelosi in a press conference after the 2nd day of testimony:“It’s called an inquiry. And if the president has something that is exculpatory … Mr. President, that means you have anything that shows your innocence … then he should make that known and that’s part of the inquiry. And so far, we haven’t seen that, but we welcome it. And that’s what an inquiry’s about.”
LOL
And it’s a LOL from me too.
and myself. :)
dv said:
Got to hand it to Nancy Pelosi in a press conference after the 2nd day of testimony:“It’s called an inquiry. And if the president has something that is exculpatory … Mr. President, that means you have anything that shows your innocence … then he should make that known and that’s part of the inquiry. And so far, we haven’t seen that, but we welcome it. And that’s what an inquiry’s about.”
That’s my learning for today, exculpatory.
And I think it’s good that when an old person finds a new word that she should share it with other old people.
Republican congressman calls new details about Trump revealed in impeachment testimony ‘alarming’
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/17/politics/mike-turner-donald-trump-impeachment-inquiry-cnntv/index.html
A Republican member of one of the House committees involved in the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump said Sunday that information provided about Trump during a closed-door deposition of a former National Security Council official “is alarming” and “not OK.”
“Well, of course, all of that is alarming. As I’ve said from the beginning, I think this is not OK. The President of the United States shouldn’t even in the original phone call be on the phone with the president of another country and raise his political opponent,” Rep. Mike Turner, an Ohio Republican, told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union.”
“So, no, this is not OK,” he added on Sunday.
On Saturday, Morrison testified that US ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland was acting at Trump’s instruction in his dealings with Ukraine. According to Morrison’s deposition, Sondland said the President told him that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky “must announce the opening of the investigations” into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. Morrison also testified that US aid to Ukraine was conditioned on the country announcing an investigation into the Bidens. There is no evidence of wrongdoing by either Biden in Ukraine.

sarahs mum said:
Whenever I suspect we have reached peak crazy something comes along and wrecks my theory.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Whenever I suspect we have reached peak crazy something comes along and wrecks my theory.
There you go.
meanwhile in Ohio

sarahs mum said:
meanwhile in Ohio
wasn’t it Ohio who just said that you don’t have to get science right to pass science?
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
meanwhile in Ohio
wasn’t it Ohio who just said that you don’t have to get science right to pass science?
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
meanwhile in Ohio
wasn’t it Ohio who just said that you don’t have to get science right to pass science?
yes.
But there is an Ohio couple on my facebook list who have gone nutty over the last few years for Trump. I have stepped back and I don’t talk to them anymore but I haven’t blocked them because I want to see the end of the story.
Some news
The House of Representatives is now investigating whether President Donald Trump lied to special counsel Robert Mueller in written answers he provided in the Russia investigation, the House’s general counsel said in federal court Monday. Lying to Federal Investigators is a felony that carries a maximum five year sentence.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/18/politics/house-investigating-trump-lying-to-mueller/index.html
President Donald Trump’s financial documents are unlikely to be released to the House on Wednesday, after the House told the Supreme Court that it would endorse a 10-day delay to give the justices more time to consider legal arguments.
House General Counsel Douglas Letter suggested in a letter Monday he could file briefs on Friday outlining why a subpoena to Trump’s accounting firm for financial information should be allowed to go into effect.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/18/politics/trump-tax-documents-supreme-court/index.html
The US Ambassador to the European Union kept several Trump administration officials briefed on his attempts to get Ukraine to launch investigations later discussed in Trump’s July call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, emails reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/17/politics/sondand-trump-ukraine-impeachment/index.html
‘US President Donald Trump takes a swipe at Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi while also supporting her suggestion that he testify at impeachment hearings about his dealings with aid money for Ukraine.’ – ABC News
We can be sure of two things:
1. If Trump appeared at the hearings, it would be hilarious.
2. It’ll never happen, because everyone (including him) knows that, in his arrogance, he would put his foot in it up to the knee.
(CNN)US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Monday announced a major reversal of the US’ 41-year long policy on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank, rejecting a 1978 State Department legal opinion that deemed the settlements “inconsistent with international law.” The announcement, which with international law and consensus.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/18/politics/pompeo-west-bank-settlements-announcement/index.html
Fox News characterizes Trump’s witness-intimidation Tweets as a new article of impeachment
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-hearing-11-15-19/h_efc3ed228f2159443c2d7c2d77464b18
11:24 a.m. ET, November 15, 2019Fox News anchors say Trump’s tweet raises the possibility of witness tampering
From CNN’s Oliver Darcy
Two of the top anchors at Fox News said that President Trump’s Friday tweets attacking ex-ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch raised the possibility of an additional article of impeachment being added against Trump for witness tampering.
Bret Baier, Fox’s chief political anchor, said Trump’s tweets “enabled” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, who is leading the impeachment inquiry, to “characterize that tweet as intimidating the witness or tampering with the witness, which is a crime.”
“Adding, essentially, an article of impeachment real time as this hearing is going on,” Baier said.
Chris Wallace, the anchor of Fox’s flagship Sunday show, agreed with Baier, noting the attack “played out in real time.”
“It does raise the possibility of witness intimidation and witness tampering as a new charge here,” Wallace said.
dv said:
Fox News characterizes Trump’s witness-intimidation Tweets as a new article of impeachment
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-hearing-11-15-19/h_efc3ed228f2159443c2d7c2d77464b18
11:24 a.m. ET, November 15, 2019Fox News anchors say Trump’s tweet raises the possibility of witness tampering
From CNN’s Oliver Darcy
Two of the top anchors at Fox News said that President Trump’s Friday tweets attacking ex-ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch raised the possibility of an additional article of impeachment being added against Trump for witness tampering.
Bret Baier, Fox’s chief political anchor, said Trump’s tweets “enabled” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, who is leading the impeachment inquiry, to “characterize that tweet as intimidating the witness or tampering with the witness, which is a crime.”
“Adding, essentially, an article of impeachment real time as this hearing is going on,” Baier said.
Chris Wallace, the anchor of Fox’s flagship Sunday show, agreed with Baier, noting the attack “played out in real time.”
“It does raise the possibility of witness intimidation and witness tampering as a new charge here,” Wallace said.
I think that would hold up. In a normal world.
Trump Fined $2 Million For Diverting Money From Vets Fundraiser to His Campaign
A judge ordered President Trump to pay $2 million to a group of charities on Thursday, ruling that the president had broken the law by directing the proceeds from an event advertised as benefiting veterans to his presidential campaign instead.
“Mr. Trump’s fiduciary duty breaches included allowing his campaign to orchestrate the Fundraiser, allowing his campaign, instead of the Foundation, to direct distribution of the Funds, and using the Fundraiser and distribution of the Funds to further Mr. Trump’s political campaign.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-fined-dollar2-million-for-diverting-money-from-vets-fundraiser-to-his-campaign/ar-BBWqP3w?ocid=sf&backRedirect=true&fbclid=IwAR0Ky8wMGrqUtAGhPwo4QighXQkohLzncBYzCB1ce-YXhLGFL6wURqc3xgU
dv said:
Trump Fined $2 Million For Diverting Money From Vets Fundraiser to His CampaignA judge ordered President Trump to pay $2 million to a group of charities on Thursday, ruling that the president had broken the law by directing the proceeds from an event advertised as benefiting veterans to his presidential campaign instead.
“Mr. Trump’s fiduciary duty breaches included allowing his campaign to orchestrate the Fundraiser, allowing his campaign, instead of the Foundation, to direct distribution of the Funds, and using the Fundraiser and distribution of the Funds to further Mr. Trump’s political campaign.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-fined-dollar2-million-for-diverting-money-from-vets-fundraiser-to-his-campaign/ar-BBWqP3w?ocid=sf&backRedirect=true&fbclid=IwAR0Ky8wMGrqUtAGhPwo4QighXQkohLzncBYzCB1ce-YXhLGFL6wURqc3xgU
In any other time and place this would be the end of a politician. Their career ruined, their reputation forever in tatters.
Now we just shrug and say :yeah, typical”.
dv said:
Trump Fined $2 Million For Diverting Money From Vets Fundraiser to His CampaignA judge ordered President Trump to pay $2 million to a group of charities on Thursday, ruling that the president had broken the law by directing the proceeds from an event advertised as benefiting veterans to his presidential campaign instead.
“Mr. Trump’s fiduciary duty breaches included allowing his campaign to orchestrate the Fundraiser, allowing his campaign, instead of the Foundation, to direct distribution of the Funds, and using the Fundraiser and distribution of the Funds to further Mr. Trump’s political campaign.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-fined-dollar2-million-for-diverting-money-from-vets-fundraiser-to-his-campaign/ar-BBWqP3w?ocid=sf&backRedirect=true&fbclid=IwAR0Ky8wMGrqUtAGhPwo4QighXQkohLzncBYzCB1ce-YXhLGFL6wURqc3xgU
How is that not fraud and a sackable offense, he’s well protected isn’t he
party_pants said:
dv said:
Trump Fined $2 Million For Diverting Money From Vets Fundraiser to His CampaignA judge ordered President Trump to pay $2 million to a group of charities on Thursday, ruling that the president had broken the law by directing the proceeds from an event advertised as benefiting veterans to his presidential campaign instead.
“Mr. Trump’s fiduciary duty breaches included allowing his campaign to orchestrate the Fundraiser, allowing his campaign, instead of the Foundation, to direct distribution of the Funds, and using the Fundraiser and distribution of the Funds to further Mr. Trump’s political campaign.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-fined-dollar2-million-for-diverting-money-from-vets-fundraiser-to-his-campaign/ar-BBWqP3w?ocid=sf&backRedirect=true&fbclid=IwAR0Ky8wMGrqUtAGhPwo4QighXQkohLzncBYzCB1ce-YXhLGFL6wURqc3xgU
In any other time and place this would be the end of a politician. Their career ruined, their reputation forever in tatters.
Now we just shrug and say :yeah, typical”.
It has come to pass.
dv said:
Trump Fined $2 Million For Diverting Money From Vets Fundraiser to His CampaignA judge ordered President Trump to pay $2 million to a group of charities on Thursday, ruling that the president had broken the law by directing the proceeds from an event advertised as benefiting veterans to his presidential campaign instead.
“Mr. Trump’s fiduciary duty breaches included allowing his campaign to orchestrate the Fundraiser, allowing his campaign, instead of the Foundation, to direct distribution of the Funds, and using the Fundraiser and distribution of the Funds to further Mr. Trump’s political campaign.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-fined-dollar2-million-for-diverting-money-from-vets-fundraiser-to-his-campaign/ar-BBWqP3w?ocid=sf&backRedirect=true&fbclid=IwAR0Ky8wMGrqUtAGhPwo4QighXQkohLzncBYzCB1ce-YXhLGFL6wURqc3xgU
How much did he divert?
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Trump Fined $2 Million For Diverting Money From Vets Fundraiser to His CampaignA judge ordered President Trump to pay $2 million to a group of charities on Thursday, ruling that the president had broken the law by directing the proceeds from an event advertised as benefiting veterans to his presidential campaign instead.
“Mr. Trump’s fiduciary duty breaches included allowing his campaign to orchestrate the Fundraiser, allowing his campaign, instead of the Foundation, to direct distribution of the Funds, and using the Fundraiser and distribution of the Funds to further Mr. Trump’s political campaign.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-fined-dollar2-million-for-diverting-money-from-vets-fundraiser-to-his-campaign/ar-BBWqP3w?ocid=sf&backRedirect=true&fbclid=IwAR0Ky8wMGrqUtAGhPwo4QighXQkohLzncBYzCB1ce-YXhLGFL6wURqc3xgU
In any other time and place this would be the end of a politician. Their career ruined, their reputation forever in tatters.
Now we just shrug and say :yeah, typical”.
It has come to pass.
Yeah, typical. Makes you wonder what’s next. A fundraiser for deer conservation where they shoot Bambi to feed all the guests…?
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:In any other time and place this would be the end of a politician. Their career ruined, their reputation forever in tatters.
Now we just shrug and say :yeah, typical”.
It has come to pass.
Yeah, typical. Makes you wonder what’s next. A fundraiser for deer conservation where they shoot Bambi to feed all the guests…?
I mean, it should have ended when he said of John McCain, “I like people who weren’t captured”. I would have figured that no one, of any political stripe, would want to be associated with a draft-dodger attacking a POW on the basis of his service. Or when he ran that hilarious impersonation of the reporter with arthrogryposis. Why would you want someone a despicable person as President? There were dozens of events during, and indeed before, his campaign that should have been considered disqualifying.
I’m looking forward to the part where this is all in the past and people are doing the post-mortem.
dv said:
I’m looking forward to the part where this is all in the past and people are doing the post-mortem.
after his assassination????
dv said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:It has come to pass.
Yeah, typical. Makes you wonder what’s next. A fundraiser for deer conservation where they shoot Bambi to feed all the guests…?
I mean, it should have ended when he said of John McCain, “I like people who weren’t captured”. I would have figured that no one, of any political stripe, would want to be associated with a draft-dodger attacking a POW on the basis of his service. Or when he ran that hilarious impersonation of the reporter with arthrogryposis. Why would you want someone a despicable person as President? There were dozens of events during, and indeed before, his campaign that should have been considered disqualifying.
I’m looking forward to the part where this is all in the past and people are doing the post-mortem.
He’ll probably have to be carried out of the oval office because he’d araldited himself to the chair of office.
Boris said:
dv said:I’m looking forward to the part where this is all in the past and people are doing the post-mortem.
after his assassination????
That won’t happen because apart from the people who vote for him carry the guns but also because he causes erosion on his own golf courses with the fleets of golf buggies that carry his security detail.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Yeah, typical. Makes you wonder what’s next. A fundraiser for deer conservation where they shoot Bambi to feed all the guests…?
I mean, it should have ended when he said of John McCain, “I like people who weren’t captured”. I would have figured that no one, of any political stripe, would want to be associated with a draft-dodger attacking a POW on the basis of his service. Or when he ran that hilarious impersonation of the reporter with arthrogryposis. Why would you want someone a despicable person as President? There were dozens of events during, and indeed before, his campaign that should have been considered disqualifying.
I’m looking forward to the part where this is all in the past and people are doing the post-mortem.He’ll probably have to be carried out of the oval office because he’d araldited himself to the chair of office.
The next president might need to move into another building while they demolish the White House entirely and build a whole new one, just to get rid of the stains.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Yeah, typical. Makes you wonder what’s next. A fundraiser for deer conservation where they shoot Bambi to feed all the guests…?
I mean, it should have ended when he said of John McCain, “I like people who weren’t captured”. I would have figured that no one, of any political stripe, would want to be associated with a draft-dodger attacking a POW on the basis of his service. Or when he ran that hilarious impersonation of the reporter with arthrogryposis. Why would you want someone a despicable person as President? There were dozens of events during, and indeed before, his campaign that should have been considered disqualifying.
I’m looking forward to the part where this is all in the past and people are doing the post-mortem.He’ll probably have to be carried out of the oval office because he’d araldited himself to the chair of office.

Boris said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:I mean, it should have ended when he said of John McCain, “I like people who weren’t captured”. I would have figured that no one, of any political stripe, would want to be associated with a draft-dodger attacking a POW on the basis of his service. Or when he ran that hilarious impersonation of the reporter with arthrogryposis. Why would you want someone a despicable person as President? There were dozens of events during, and indeed before, his campaign that should have been considered disqualifying.
I’m looking forward to the part where this is all in the past and people are doing the post-mortem.He’ll probably have to be carried out of the oval office because he’d araldited himself to the chair of office.
Great likeness. :)
dv said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:It has come to pass.
Yeah, typical. Makes you wonder what’s next. A fundraiser for deer conservation where they shoot Bambi to feed all the guests…?
I mean, it should have ended when he said of John McCain, “I like people who weren’t captured”. I would have figured that no one, of any political stripe, would want to be associated with a draft-dodger attacking a POW on the basis of his service. Or when he ran that hilarious impersonation of the reporter with arthrogryposis. Why would you want someone a despicable person as President? There were dozens of events during, and indeed before, his campaign that should have been considered disqualifying.
I’m looking forward to the part where this is all in the past and people are doing the post-mortem.
but Hillary’s emails…..
party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Yeah, typical. Makes you wonder what’s next. A fundraiser for deer conservation where they shoot Bambi to feed all the guests…?
I mean, it should have ended when he said of John McCain, “I like people who weren’t captured”. I would have figured that no one, of any political stripe, would want to be associated with a draft-dodger attacking a POW on the basis of his service. Or when he ran that hilarious impersonation of the reporter with arthrogryposis. Why would you want someone a despicable person as President? There were dozens of events during, and indeed before, his campaign that should have been considered disqualifying.
I’m looking forward to the part where this is all in the past and people are doing the post-mortem.but Hillary’s emails…..
It also does show what a shit candidate she was.
Trump’s hospital trip DV. Whatchareckon?
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s hospital trip DV. Whatchareckon?
I don’t think it’s very important news. Possibly some minor medical matter.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s hospital trip DV. Whatchareckon?I don’t think it’s very important news. Possibly some minor medical matter.
I thought he was fit as a bull(y)
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s hospital trip DV. Whatchareckon?I don’t think it’s very important news. Possibly some minor medical matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HGf7r2F5OU
If the fat prick dies of natural causes the conspiracy theorists are going to go nuts.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s hospital trip DV. Whatchareckon?I don’t think it’s very important news. Possibly some minor medical matter.
bone spurs playing up.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s hospital trip DV. Whatchareckon?I don’t think it’s very important news. Possibly some minor medical matter.
bone spurs playing up.
He earnt those spurs.
What others are saying…
Panic attacks.
Real heart problems.
Fabrication of something wrong so as to exit presidency on health reasons.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s hospital trip DV. Whatchareckon?I don’t think it’s very important news. Possibly some minor medical matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HGf7r2F5OU
That’s beautiful maan
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-americans-think-trump-committed-an-impeachable-offense/
56% of Americans believe Trump committed an impeachable offence.
dv said:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-americans-think-trump-committed-an-impeachable-offense/56% of Americans believe Trump committed an impeachable offence.
but but, it’s a scam. A witch hunt.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-americans-think-trump-committed-an-impeachable-offense/56% of Americans believe Trump committed an impeachable offence.
but but, it’s a scam. A witch hunt.
Is it also a hoax ?
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-americans-think-trump-committed-an-impeachable-offense/56% of Americans believe Trump committed an impeachable offence.
but but, it’s a scam. A witch hunt.
Is it also a hoax ?
Apparently and the Republicans are doing a great job of believing it.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:but but, it’s a scam. A witch hunt.
Is it also a hoax ?
Apparently and the Republicans are doing a great job of believing it.
Will Donald Trump be impeached in his first term?
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3537/Will-Donald-Trump-be-impeached-in-his-first-term
Trump Pupils REALLY DILATED During “Downer” Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOG1EIipbdg
This has been a torrid couple of days for the President in his impeachment hearings. First US Envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker, who was expected to be a friendly witness for the Republicans, extensively revised his testimony to acknowledge that the Ukraine aid had been made conditional on investigation of the Bidens. And today, US ambassador to the EU, Gordon Sondland, states that the instructions to carry out the quid pro quo were made by Trump explicitly. He also seemed ready to drag everyone down with him: “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret”.
Sondland’s testimony might be considered particularly damning because: a) he was directly involved in carrying out the racket, b) he had direct contact with Trump on the matter and c) he can’t be framed as some disgruntled “Never Trumper” because he was one of Trump’s major donors, having given a million dollars towards Trump’s inauguration bash.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/sondland-testimony-everyone-knew-about-quid-pro-quo/602320/
Ambassador Gordon Sondland delivered a bombshell this morning.
“Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.”Those are the two most important sentences in today’s opening statement by Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union. Sondland’s public testimony was the most hotly anticipated of the impeachment inquiry, and even before Sondland uttered a word this morning, he’d lived up to his billing.
In a blistering statement, Sondland testified that the president had personally directed American efforts to extort Ukraine’s president into announcing two investigations that would aid Donald Trump in his 2020 reelection effort.
“I know that members of this committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a quid pro quo?” Sondland said. “The answer is yes.”
As it has become clear that there was a quid pro quo, Trump’s defenders have insisted that the president didn’t direct the effort. Sondland, who reportedly was in direct touch with Trump, destroyed that too, tracing the pressure to Trump via his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani.
“Mr. Giuliani demanded that Ukraine make a public statement announcing investigations of the 2016 election/DNC server and Burisma. Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the president of the United States, and we knew that these investigations were important to the president.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/kurt-volker-throws-rudy-giuliani-under-the-bus
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/19/kurt-volker-public-impeachment-hearing-071566
‘I have learned many things’: Kurt Volker revises Ukraine testimonyBut after a cascade of witnesses told lawmakers a far more troubling version of events — that Trump indeed seemed to be orchestrating a quid pro quo for the White House meeting and perhaps for military aid — Volker says he has a new perspective.
Story Continued Below“I have learned many things that I did not know at the time of the events in question,” Volker told the House Intelligence Committee in his prepared remarks on Tuesday.
Volker insists he was forthright and honest in his first deposition based on his understanding at the time, but Democrats — and perhaps some Republicans — are likely to zero in on his inconsistencies.
He also said: “We all understood that these prerequisites for the White House call and White House meeting reflected President Trump’s desires and requirements.”
And today, US ambassador to the EU, Gordon Sondland, states that the instructions to carry out the quid pro quo were made by Trump explicitly. He also seemed ready to drag everyone down with him: “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret”.
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Sounds like game over. But no doubt the republicans and fox will spin extra fast.
Getting interesting.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-21/gordon-sondland-testimony-donald-trump-impeachment-hearing/11723790
I notice something with that piece. Perhaps they just left it out. But where is the Trump tweet about Sondland while he gives testimony?
Holy shit. Not satire.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/20/donald-trump-handwritten-note-impeachment-defense-i-want-nothing?CMP=soc_567
I want nothing. I want nothing’: Trump clutches handwritten impeachment defense at briefing
The president relied on a note, written with a black marker in all caps, in the wake of Gordon Sondland’s bombshell testimony
The thing is, it isn’t in all caps. And that might actually be worse…
Andrew should have taken one of those notes.
SHOW HINT OF REMORSE
PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT VICTIMS
Oh yes, he’s losing the plot.. not that he wasn’t already…
dv said:
Holy shit. Not satire.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/20/donald-trump-handwritten-note-impeachment-defense-i-want-nothing?CMP=soc_567
I want nothing. I want nothing’: Trump clutches handwritten impeachment defense at briefing
The president relied on a note, written with a black marker in all caps, in the wake of Gordon Sondland’s bombshell testimony
That’s him alright, you can tell by the size of his hand.

Sondland has said that Vice President Mike Pence and Sec of State Mike Pompeo were in on the scam, and national security advisor John Bolton was aware of it.
John Bolton might have an incentive to testify now.
Ken Starr, whose report led to Bill Clinton’s impeachment, has been.a regular Fox News contributor during these impeachment proceedings. After Sondland’s testimony today, he changed his position somewhat, wondering aloud whether Republican Senators might push the President to resign. The real issue is the senators are watching. “Are senators going to now say in light of what we hear today, it’s going to be a long day even with the ambassador alone, in light of what we have heard, ‘We need to make a trip down to the White House’? That historic example set during the Nixon presidency.”
He also made mention of the fact that the White House has stymied Sondland’s access to his own records and notes to prepare for the hearing, which, in Ken Starr’s view, adds another article of impeachment, Contempt Of Congress.
dv said:
Sondland has said that Vice President Mike Pence and Sec of State Mike Pompeo were in on the scam, and national security advisor John Bolton was aware of it.
John Bolton might have an incentive to testify now.Ken Starr, whose report led to Bill Clinton’s impeachment, has been.a regular Fox News contributor during these impeachment proceedings. After Sondland’s testimony today, he changed his position somewhat, wondering aloud whether Republican Senators might push the President to resign. The real issue is the senators are watching. “Are senators going to now say in light of what we hear today, it’s going to be a long day even with the ambassador alone, in light of what we have heard, ‘We need to make a trip down to the White House’? That historic example set during the Nixon presidency.”
He also made mention of the fact that the White House has stymied Sondland’s access to his own records and notes to prepare for the hearing, which, in Ken Starr’s view, adds another article of impeachment, Contempt Of Congress.
Say the Dunny Trumpet resigns and Pence takes over as President. If Pence was in the loop on the whole Ukraine thing, can he be impeached too?
party_pants said:
dv said:
Sondland has said that Vice President Mike Pence and Sec of State Mike Pompeo were in on the scam, and national security advisor John Bolton was aware of it.
John Bolton might have an incentive to testify now.Ken Starr, whose report led to Bill Clinton’s impeachment, has been.a regular Fox News contributor during these impeachment proceedings. After Sondland’s testimony today, he changed his position somewhat, wondering aloud whether Republican Senators might push the President to resign. The real issue is the senators are watching. “Are senators going to now say in light of what we hear today, it’s going to be a long day even with the ambassador alone, in light of what we have heard, ‘We need to make a trip down to the White House’? That historic example set during the Nixon presidency.”
He also made mention of the fact that the White House has stymied Sondland’s access to his own records and notes to prepare for the hearing, which, in Ken Starr’s view, adds another article of impeachment, Contempt Of Congress.
Say the Dunny Trumpet resigns and Pence takes over as President. If Pence was in the loop on the whole Ukraine thing, can he be impeached too?
Dunno. Can you impeach a President for just being an accessory to dickheadedness?
If it doesn’t fit you must acquit.
I have to admit, it does appear that DJT has been slightly canny in that he has told people “talk to Rudi”, and then Rudi has explained the conditions of the scam. Puts him one step removed, so the possibility of blaming it all on Rudi freelancing remains.
I wasn’t expecting mumble-rapper A$AP Rocky to come up quite so often in the impeachment hearings but okay.
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Why Did ASAP Rocky Keep Coming Up at the Impeachment Hearing?
During the Wednesday’s impeachment hearing on Capitol Hill, U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland name-checked rapper ASAP Rocky several times during his testimony. In his opening statement, Sondland recounted a July 26 call he had with Trump and notes, “I think we primarily discussed ASAP Rocky.” Around 30 minutes later, when Democratic counsel Daniel Goldman pointed out that Sondland had not mentioned the July call in his initial deposition, the ambassador explained, “What triggered my memory was someone’s reference to ASAP Rocky.” Goldman responded, “That’s one way memory works.” Sondland made the same point again when Republican counsel Steve Castor brought up the call.
So why does ASAP Rocky, also known as Lord Pretty Flacko, keep coming up during the impeachment hearings? Here’s a quick refresher on the strange journey that led the rapper to cross paths with the Trump administration.
Who is ASAP Rocky?
ASAP Rocky, real name Rakim Athelaston Mayers, is a 31-year-old rapper known for his woozy, psychedelic hip-hop. He often raps about acid, swag, Harlem, materialism, and death. In 2007, ASAP Rocky joined the New York hip-hop collective A$AP Mob. He first enjoyed mainstream success with the mixtape Live. Love. A$AP. His subsequent album, Long. Live. A$AP, topped the Billboard 200 and would later receive double platinum recognition. Some of his most well-known songs include “Purple Swag,” “Fuckin’ Problems,” and “Everyday.”
Why would Sondland and Trump be discussing ASAP Rocky?
It’s safe to say Sondland and Trump weren’t talking about how much they stan the ASAP Mob. Rather, they were likely discussing a legal quandary that ASAP Rocky faced at the time. In late June, while on tour in Europe, ASAP Rocky and his entourage were involved in a brawl in Stockholm. The fight led to the hospitalization of a man named Mustafa Jafari. Swedish police arrested the rapper and his associates on July 3 on assault charges. ASAP Rocky was then detained for nearly a month. He maintained that he was acting in self-defense.
After Kanye West and Kim Kardashian West lobbied Trump to help secure ASAP Rocky’s release, the president brought up the issue in a phone call with Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven and later dispatched a hostage affairs envoy to watch over the trial in Stockholm. A court found the rapper guilty of assault in August but was not sentenced to the six-month prison sentence prosecutors had requested. The judge instead ordered him to pay Jafari $1,300. ASAP Rocky has pledged to never return to Sweden.
What does ASAP Rocky have to do with impeachment?
Not that much. In October, Sondland spoke to Congress in a closed-door deposition concerning his role in the Ukraine affair. The ambassador later sent Congress a four-page sworn statement modifying his original testimony, bringing it more in line with the accounts of other witnesses.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/what-asap-rocky-has-to-do-with-impeachment.html
‘The public impeachment hearings just ended. Things don’t look good for Donald Trump
By Washington bureau chief Zoe Daniel
Posted 7 minutes ago | Updated 5 minutes ago
The 12 witnesses have corroborated each other’s evidence and a cohesive narrative is now clear. The US President is firmly at the centre, writes Zoe Daniel.’ – ABC News

Good grief…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-23/donald-trump-unloads-about-impeachment-on-fox-news/11731920
He’s Just a GURL Who’ll QUID PRO QUO! – Randy Rainbow Song Parody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mWTDI4aQZY
Bolton re-emerges after public hiatus charging White House froze his Twitter account
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/22/politics/john-bolton-reemerges-twitter/index.html

Exclusive: Giuliani associate willing to tell Congress Nunes met with ex-Ukrainian official to get dirt on Biden
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/22/politics/nunes-vienna-trip-ukrainian-prosecutor-biden/index.html
That is going to be a crazy day in Congress.
Trump’s Favorite Things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm1eO_915fE
dv said:
Conservative intellectual Rick Wiles discusses the origins of the efforts to impeach Trump
No such beast as a “conservative intellectual”.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual Rick Wiles discusses the origins of the efforts to impeach Trump
No such beast as a “conservative intellectual”.
I’m thinking about becoming an intellectual.
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual Rick Wiles discusses the origins of the efforts to impeach Trump
No such beast as a “conservative intellectual”.
I’m thinking about becoming an intellectual.
Welcome to the dark side.
Sometimes it gets cold out here.
dv said:
Conservative intellectual Rick Wiles discusses the origins of the efforts to impeach Trump
Do other Conservatives really consider him to be an intellectual?
Apart from that, isn’t incitement to violence illegal in the USA?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual Rick Wiles discusses the origins of the efforts to impeach Trump
Do other Conservatives really consider him to be an intellectual?
Apart from that, isn’t incitement to violence illegal in the USA?
Only if it is “imminent” apparently: https://freespeechdebate.com/case/the-brandenburg-test-for-incitement-to-violence/
TATE on Wiles:
“Rick Wiles (born 1954 or 1955) is an American non-denominational senior pastor at Flowing Streams Church in Vero Beach, FL, radio host and pundit. He is the founder of TruNews, a website known for promoting racist and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.”
The Rev Dodgson said:
TATE on Wiles:“Rick Wiles (born 1954 or 1955) is an American non-denominational senior pastor at Flowing Streams Church in Vero Beach, FL, radio host and pundit. He is the founder of TruNews, a website known for promoting racist and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.”
Being an anti-semite Christian is really weird, Jesus was a Jew, even if you are annoyed they killed him or allowed him to be killed the entire event was destiny anyway
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual Rick Wiles discusses the origins of the efforts to impeach Trump
Do other Conservatives really consider him to be an intellectual?
Apart from that, isn’t incitement to violence illegal in the USA?
Trump wasn’t jailed during the campaign so I guess not
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual Rick Wiles discusses the origins of the efforts to impeach Trump
Do other Conservatives really consider him to be an intellectual?
Apart from that, isn’t incitement to violence illegal in the USA?
Trump wasn’t jailed during the campaign so I guess not
Q&A gets away with it so it’s probably not illegal here either.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Do other Conservatives really consider him to be an intellectual?
Apart from that, isn’t incitement to violence illegal in the USA?
Trump wasn’t jailed during the campaign so I guess not
Q&A gets away with it so it’s probably not illegal here either.
pity you don’t understand what Mona Eltahawy was on about. far easier to denigrate a woman’s view than to understand.
Trump issued direct order to halt disciplining of Navy Seal Edward Gallagher
US defence secretary said president gave him instruction for officer accused of war crimes to retain his right to wear Trident pin
Donald Trump issued a direct order to halt disciplinary measures against a Navy Seal officer accused of war crimes in Iraq, the US defence secretary has revealed.
Mark Esper said the president gave him an instruction on Sunday for Navy Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher to retain his right to wear the Trident pin, the insignia of the elite Navy Seal unit, reversing a demotion by a navy disciplinary board.
“The president is the commander-in-chief. He has every right, authority and privilege to do what he wants to do,” Esper told journalists on Monday. “If folks want to criticize anyone at this point for reaching down into administrative processes, simply blame me. I’m responsible at this point. It’s not where I prefer to be but I’ll own it.”
Esper also defended his decision to fire the navy secretary, Richard Spencer, on Sunday, after Spencer had resisted pressure from Trump to intervene in the Gallagher case.
Conservative commentators on Fox TV, one of Trump’s main sources of information, have portrayed Gallagher as a victim of injustice. One of the Navy Seal’s lawyers, Marc Mukasey, also works for the Trump Organization, the president’s business empire, CNN reported.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/25/trump-navy-seal-edward-gallagher-direct-order-mark-esper
A federal judge has ruled that White House staff can be made to testify before Congress, rejecting the Trump administration’s claims of immunity.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50554162
Would the Founding Fathers Impeach Trump?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY10nWdhGaw
sarahs mum said:
Would the Founding Fathers Impeach Trump?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY10nWdhGaw
Would probably have burned him at the stake.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Would the Founding Fathers Impeach Trump?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY10nWdhGaw
Would probably have burned him at the stake.
Twas Ben Franklin who wanted the impeachment clause put in because he said that the alternative to impeachment was assassination.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Would the Founding Fathers Impeach Trump?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY10nWdhGaw
Would probably have burned him at the stake.
Twas Ben Franklin who wanted the impeachment clause put in because he said that the alternative to impeachment was assassination.
Trump would have been a slave owner back in that time
sarahs mum said:
…he said that the alternative to impeachment was assassination.
Still is.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
…he said that the alternative to impeachment was assassination.
Still is.
His Russian masters could use some exotic poison if he displeases them
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
…he said that the alternative to impeachment was assassination.
Still is.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
…he said that the alternative to impeachment was assassination.
Still is.
His Russian masters could use some exotic poison if he displeases them
Its quite astonishing with his various actions and accusations against him he’s can’t be stood down as unfit for duty
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Would the Founding Fathers Impeach Trump?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY10nWdhGaw
Would probably have burned him at the stake.
Twas Ben Franklin who wanted the impeachment clause put in because he said that the alternative to impeachment was assassination.
damn you Ben Franklin!!!
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
…he said that the alternative to impeachment was assassination.
Still is.
Cheaper too. Specially if the assassin is also shot & killed.
By a terminally ill man.
Latest opinion poll averages on impeachment
Support impeachment 52.4%
Do not support impeachment 42.3%
Don’t know 5.3%
Support impeachment and removal from office 47.7%
Do not support impeachment and removal from office 44.2%
Don’t know 8.1%
There was quite a bounce after Sondland’s testimony
dv said:
Latest opinion poll averages on impeachmentSupport impeachment 52.4%
Do not support impeachment 42.3%
Don’t know 5.3%Support impeachment and removal from office 47.7%
Do not support impeachment and removal from office 44.2%
Don’t know 8.1%There was quite a bounce after Sondland’s testimony
We Cannot Guarantee That Whatever Hits The Fan Will Be Evenly Distributed
dv said:
Latest opinion poll averages on impeachmentSupport impeachment 52.4%
Do not support impeachment 42.3%
Don’t know 5.3%Support impeachment and removal from office 47.7%
Do not support impeachment and removal from office 44.2%
Don’t know 8.1%There was quite a bounce after Sondland’s testimony
He’ll be gone before Christmas.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Latest opinion poll averages on impeachmentSupport impeachment 52.4%
Do not support impeachment 42.3%
Don’t know 5.3%Support impeachment and removal from office 47.7%
Do not support impeachment and removal from office 44.2%
Don’t know 8.1%There was quite a bounce after Sondland’s testimony
He’ll be gone before Christmas.
No chance.
Unless you know something about the assassination.
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Latest opinion poll averages on impeachmentSupport impeachment 52.4%
Do not support impeachment 42.3%
Don’t know 5.3%Support impeachment and removal from office 47.7%
Do not support impeachment and removal from office 44.2%
Don’t know 8.1%There was quite a bounce after Sondland’s testimony
He’ll be gone before Christmas.
No chance.
Unless you know something about the assassination.
I imagine he means that Sondland will be gone…
furious said:
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:He’ll be gone before Christmas.
No chance.
Unless you know something about the assassination.
I imagine he means that Sondland will be gone…
Aah.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tells-allies-he-wants-absolved-war-criminals-to-campaign-for-him
If Donald Trump gets his wish, he’ll soon take the three convicted or accused war criminals he spared from consequence on the road as special guests in his re-election campaign, according to two sources who have heard Trump discuss their potential roles for the 2020 effort.
Despite military and international backlash to Trump’s Nov. 15 clemency—fallout from which cost Navy Secretary Richard Spencer his job on Sunday—Trump believes he has rectified major injustices. Two people tell The Daily Beast they’ve heard Trump talk about how he’d like to have the now-cleared Clint Lorance, Matthew Golsteyn, or Edward Gallagher show up at his 2020 rallies, or even have a moment on stage at his renomination convention in Charlotte next year. Right-wing media have portrayed all three as martyrs brought down by “political correctness” within the military.
Former Army Lt. Lorance was sentenced to 19 years in prison in 2013 for murder after ordering his soldiers in 2010 to fire on three unarmed Afghan men riding a motorcycle, killing two of them.
Next month, former Green Beret Maj. Golsteyn was supposed to stand trial for the murder of an unarmed Afghan man whom he told the CIA he killed in the belief the man was a Taliban bombmaker.
Trump pardoned Lorance and Golsteyn and reversed Gallagher’s demotion in rank.
In irreconcilable contrast to that account, Spencer said in a scorching resignation letter that Trump had jeopardized the rule of law within the military and he could not “in good conscience” carry out Trump’s order to the Navy on Gallagher.
“The Constitution, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, are the shields that set us apart, and the beacons that protect us all,” Spencer wrote. “Unfortunately it has become apparent in this respect that I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline.”
“It is a dark day when the president stands with those accused of committing war crimes over a man like Secretary Spencer,” Brown said in a statement.While the war crimes pardons were not Trump’s first—in May, he granted clemency to convicted murderer Michael Behenna, an Army lieutenant who in 2008 killed an unarmed, naked Iraqi man during an unauthorized interrogation—Trump had fought the Pentagon for more than half a year for the pardons. Promoting them was Pete Hegseth, an Iraq War veteran and a Fox & Friends co-host who had aggressively and personally lobbied Trumpsince at least March to take such action.
Yet even Trump allies believe that absolving convicted or accused war criminals of their actions’ consequences has done substantial damage to the military.
It’s shameful and this is truly a black mark on the Trump administration’s national security record.”
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I’ve been out of the loop with one thing and another (well one thing) and I assume dv has been all over it.
But it seems like bizarre behavior even by Trump’s standards. It’s hard to see any advantage for him in this.
Ian said:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tells-allies-he-wants-absolved-war-criminals-to-campaign-for-himIf Donald Trump gets his wish, he’ll soon take the three convicted or accused war criminals he spared from consequence on the road as special guests in his re-election campaign, according to two sources who have heard Trump discuss their potential roles for the 2020 effort.
Despite military and international backlash to Trump’s Nov. 15 clemency—fallout from which cost Navy Secretary Richard Spencer his job on Sunday—Trump believes he has rectified major injustices. Two people tell The Daily Beast they’ve heard Trump talk about how he’d like to have the now-cleared Clint Lorance, Matthew Golsteyn, or Edward Gallagher show up at his 2020 rallies, or even have a moment on stage at his renomination convention in Charlotte next year. Right-wing media have portrayed all three as martyrs brought down by “political correctness” within the military.
Former Army Lt. Lorance was sentenced to 19 years in prison in 2013 for murder after ordering his soldiers in 2010 to fire on three unarmed Afghan men riding a motorcycle, killing two of them.
Next month, former Green Beret Maj. Golsteyn was supposed to stand trial for the murder of an unarmed Afghan man whom he told the CIA he killed in the belief the man was a Taliban bombmaker.
Trump pardoned Lorance and Golsteyn and reversed Gallagher’s demotion in rank.
In irreconcilable contrast to that account, Spencer said in a scorching resignation letter that Trump had jeopardized the rule of law within the military and he could not “in good conscience” carry out Trump’s order to the Navy on Gallagher.
“The Constitution, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, are the shields that set us apart, and the beacons that protect us all,” Spencer wrote. “Unfortunately it has become apparent in this respect that I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline.”
“It is a dark day when the president stands with those accused of committing war crimes over a man like Secretary Spencer,” Brown said in a statement.While the war crimes pardons were not Trump’s first—in May, he granted clemency to convicted murderer Michael Behenna, an Army lieutenant who in 2008 killed an unarmed, naked Iraqi man during an unauthorized interrogation—Trump had fought the Pentagon for more than half a year for the pardons. Promoting them was Pete Hegseth, an Iraq War veteran and a Fox & Friends co-host who had aggressively and personally lobbied Trumpsince at least March to take such action.
Yet even Trump allies believe that absolving convicted or accused war criminals of their actions’ consequences has done substantial damage to the military.
It’s shameful and this is truly a black mark on the Trump administration’s national security record.”
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I’ve been out of the loop with one thing and another (well one thing) and I assume dv has been all over it.
But it seems like bizarre behavior even by Trump’s standards. It’s hard to see any advantage for him in this.
You’re kidding, right?
A lot of Trump’s base will be lapping this up. It’s manna to their souls.
sibeen said:
Ian said:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tells-allies-he-wants-absolved-war-criminals-to-campaign-for-himIf Donald Trump gets his wish, he’ll soon take the three convicted or accused war criminals he spared from consequence on the road as special guests in his re-election campaign, according to two sources who have heard Trump discuss their potential roles for the 2020 effort.
Despite military and international backlash to Trump’s Nov. 15 clemency—fallout from which cost Navy Secretary Richard Spencer his job on Sunday—Trump believes he has rectified major injustices. Two people tell The Daily Beast they’ve heard Trump talk about how he’d like to have the now-cleared Clint Lorance, Matthew Golsteyn, or Edward Gallagher show up at his 2020 rallies, or even have a moment on stage at his renomination convention in Charlotte next year. Right-wing media have portrayed all three as martyrs brought down by “political correctness” within the military.
Former Army Lt. Lorance was sentenced to 19 years in prison in 2013 for murder after ordering his soldiers in 2010 to fire on three unarmed Afghan men riding a motorcycle, killing two of them.
Next month, former Green Beret Maj. Golsteyn was supposed to stand trial for the murder of an unarmed Afghan man whom he told the CIA he killed in the belief the man was a Taliban bombmaker.
Trump pardoned Lorance and Golsteyn and reversed Gallagher’s demotion in rank.
In irreconcilable contrast to that account, Spencer said in a scorching resignation letter that Trump had jeopardized the rule of law within the military and he could not “in good conscience” carry out Trump’s order to the Navy on Gallagher.
“The Constitution, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, are the shields that set us apart, and the beacons that protect us all,” Spencer wrote. “Unfortunately it has become apparent in this respect that I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline.”
“It is a dark day when the president stands with those accused of committing war crimes over a man like Secretary Spencer,” Brown said in a statement.While the war crimes pardons were not Trump’s first—in May, he granted clemency to convicted murderer Michael Behenna, an Army lieutenant who in 2008 killed an unarmed, naked Iraqi man during an unauthorized interrogation—Trump had fought the Pentagon for more than half a year for the pardons. Promoting them was Pete Hegseth, an Iraq War veteran and a Fox & Friends co-host who had aggressively and personally lobbied Trumpsince at least March to take such action.
Yet even Trump allies believe that absolving convicted or accused war criminals of their actions’ consequences has done substantial damage to the military.
It’s shameful and this is truly a black mark on the Trump administration’s national security record.”
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I’ve been out of the loop with one thing and another (well one thing) and I assume dv has been all over it.
But it seems like bizarre behavior even by Trump’s standards. It’s hard to see any advantage for him in this.You’re kidding, right?
A lot of Trump’s base will be lapping this up. It’s manna to their souls.
Mmm. Base is the word.
Ian said:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tells-allies-he-wants-absolved-war-criminals-to-campaign-for-himIf Donald Trump gets his wish, he’ll soon take the three convicted or accused war criminals he spared from consequence on the road as special guests in his re-election campaign, according to two sources who have heard Trump discuss their potential roles for the 2020 effort.
Despite military and international backlash to Trump’s Nov. 15 clemency—fallout from which cost Navy Secretary Richard Spencer his job on Sunday—Trump believes he has rectified major injustices. Two people tell The Daily Beast they’ve heard Trump talk about how he’d like to have the now-cleared Clint Lorance, Matthew Golsteyn, or Edward Gallagher show up at his 2020 rallies, or even have a moment on stage at his renomination convention in Charlotte next year. Right-wing media have portrayed all three as martyrs brought down by “political correctness” within the military.
Former Army Lt. Lorance was sentenced to 19 years in prison in 2013 for murder after ordering his soldiers in 2010 to fire on three unarmed Afghan men riding a motorcycle, killing two of them.
Next month, former Green Beret Maj. Golsteyn was supposed to stand trial for the murder of an unarmed Afghan man whom he told the CIA he killed in the belief the man was a Taliban bombmaker.
Trump pardoned Lorance and Golsteyn and reversed Gallagher’s demotion in rank.
In irreconcilable contrast to that account, Spencer said in a scorching resignation letter that Trump had jeopardized the rule of law within the military and he could not “in good conscience” carry out Trump’s order to the Navy on Gallagher.
“The Constitution, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, are the shields that set us apart, and the beacons that protect us all,” Spencer wrote. “Unfortunately it has become apparent in this respect that I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline.”
“It is a dark day when the president stands with those accused of committing war crimes over a man like Secretary Spencer,” Brown said in a statement.While the war crimes pardons were not Trump’s first—in May, he granted clemency to convicted murderer Michael Behenna, an Army lieutenant who in 2008 killed an unarmed, naked Iraqi man during an unauthorized interrogation—Trump had fought the Pentagon for more than half a year for the pardons. Promoting them was Pete Hegseth, an Iraq War veteran and a Fox & Friends co-host who had aggressively and personally lobbied Trumpsince at least March to take such action.
Yet even Trump allies believe that absolving convicted or accused war criminals of their actions’ consequences has done substantial damage to the military.
It’s shameful and this is truly a black mark on the Trump administration’s national security record.”
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I’ve been out of the loop with one thing and another (well one thing) and I assume dv has been all over it.
But it seems like bizarre behavior even by Trump’s standards. It’s hard to see any advantage for him in this.
“Political correctness put these good US patriots (who were just doing their jobs under difficult and dangerous circumstances in a war zone) in jail. I got them released and pardoned.”
Trump is not playing golf, is travelling everywhere with the doctor, including limo trips and is using the short stairs on the plane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewkTIyVmhRI
President Donald Trump signed the Women’s Suffrage Centennial Commemorative Coin Act on Monday. The bill, which has the bipartisan support of all 25 female senators, directs the Treasury Department to issue $1 coins honoring the history of the women’s suffrage movement. This is in preparation for next year, which will mark 100 years since the 19th Amendment was ratified, giving women the right to vote.
During the signing ceremony for the bill, Trump claimed credit for the bill’s passage, saying “they’ve been working on this for years and years. And I’m curious, why wasn’t it done a long time ago, and also — well, I guess the answer to that is because now I’m President, and we get things done.”
Facts First: Trump is taking credit for something timed to a specific date — the 100th anniversary of the 19th amendment. There were no failed efforts to pass similar legislation under previous presidents because the anniversary isn’t until next year.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/donald-trump-womens-suffrage-centennial-coin-fact-check/index.html
Not satire
dv said:
President Donald Trump signed the Women’s Suffrage Centennial Commemorative Coin Act on Monday. The bill, which has the bipartisan support of all 25 female senators, directs the Treasury Department to issue $1 coins honoring the history of the women’s suffrage movement. This is in preparation for next year, which will mark 100 years since the 19th Amendment was ratified, giving women the right to vote.During the signing ceremony for the bill, Trump claimed credit for the bill’s passage, saying “they’ve been working on this for years and years. And I’m curious, why wasn’t it done a long time ago, and also — well, I guess the answer to that is because now I’m President, and we get things done.”
Facts First: Trump is taking credit for something timed to a specific date — the 100th anniversary of the 19th amendment. There were no failed efforts to pass similar legislation under previous presidents because the anniversary isn’t until next year.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/donald-trump-womens-suffrage-centennial-coin-fact-check/index.html
Not satire
Do the US use $1 coins now?
party_pants said:
dv said:
President Donald Trump signed the Women’s Suffrage Centennial Commemorative Coin Act on Monday. The bill, which has the bipartisan support of all 25 female senators, directs the Treasury Department to issue $1 coins honoring the history of the women’s suffrage movement. This is in preparation for next year, which will mark 100 years since the 19th Amendment was ratified, giving women the right to vote.During the signing ceremony for the bill, Trump claimed credit for the bill’s passage, saying “they’ve been working on this for years and years. And I’m curious, why wasn’t it done a long time ago, and also — well, I guess the answer to that is because now I’m President, and we get things done.”
Facts First: Trump is taking credit for something timed to a specific date — the 100th anniversary of the 19th amendment. There were no failed efforts to pass similar legislation under previous presidents because the anniversary isn’t until next year.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/donald-trump-womens-suffrage-centennial-coin-fact-check/index.html
Not satire
Do the US use $1 coins now?
Occasionally the Australian Mint releases commemorative $5 coins.
dv said:
President Donald Trump signed the Women’s Suffrage Centennial Commemorative Coin Act on Monday. The bill, which has the bipartisan support of all 25 female senators, directs the Treasury Department to issue $1 coins honoring the history of the women’s suffrage movement. This is in preparation for next year, which will mark 100 years since the 19th Amendment was ratified, giving women the right to vote.During the signing ceremony for the bill, Trump claimed credit for the bill’s passage, saying “they’ve been working on this for years and years. And I’m curious, why wasn’t it done a long time ago, and also — well, I guess the answer to that is because now I’m President, and we get things done.”
Facts First: Trump is taking credit for something timed to a specific date — the 100th anniversary of the 19th amendment. There were no failed efforts to pass similar legislation under previous presidents because the anniversary isn’t until next year.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/donald-trump-womens-suffrage-centennial-coin-fact-check/index.html
Not satire
There is a large chunk of the American population who either don’t know or don’t care, and are now blaming Osama Obama for making them poor by not gettin’ it done earlier. Not satire. They don’t know what ‘satire’ means.
party_pants said:
Do the US use $1 coins now?
They’ve tried and failed a few times to make $1 coins popular.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/11/22/the-conservative-establishments-nightmare-is-only-just-beginning/
Trump contradicts testimony — and himself — by claiming he never directed Giuliani on Ukraine
President Donald Trump has now denied that he directed his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to go to Ukraine and seek out investigations on his behalf, contradicting his own words to the Ukrainian President in the White House-released transcript of the July 25 call.
Trump also contradicted sworn testimony from members of his administration and claims from his own White House acting chief of staff.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/27/politics/donald-trump-rudy-giuliani-ukraine/index.html
Tucker Carlson, conservative intellectual and Fox News pundit, admits that he is rooting for Russia in the conflict against Ukraine
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/26/tucker-carlson-rooting-for-russia-fox-news
Tucker Carlson is rooting for Russia in its conflict with Ukraine – or at least he said he was on his Fox News primetime show.
“Why do I care … what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia?” the host said. “And I’m serious. Why do I care? Why shouldn’t I root for Russia, which I am?”
Carlson later said he was joking, despite having said he was serious, possibly because of the social media backlash he inevitably provoked.
Spiny Norman said:
FFS …
What an odd fellow.
He claimed yesterday at a rally in Florida that in 2016 he “beat Barack Hussein Obama and whatever dynasty that is”.
Crowd went nuts.
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
FFS …
What an odd fellow.
He claimed yesterday at a rally in Florida that in 2016 he “beat Barack Hussein Obama and whatever dynasty that is”.
Crowd went nuts.
Obama got a lot of hassle about producing a birth certificate why has Trump not been asked to produce his orangutan lineage from the zoo
Mr Ohio says…

Not that anything that passes in the lower house passes through to the senate.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-04/trump-administration-moves-to-end-food-stamps-for-750-000
The Trump administration announced a plan Wednesday to end food-stamp benefits for about 700,000 Americans, issuing a new regulation that makes it harder for states to grant exceptions.
dv said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-04/trump-administration-moves-to-end-food-stamps-for-750-000The Trump administration announced a plan Wednesday to end food-stamp benefits for about 700,000 Americans, issuing a new regulation that makes it harder for states to grant exceptions.
Merry Christmas.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-04/trump-administration-moves-to-end-food-stamps-for-750-000The Trump administration announced a plan Wednesday to end food-stamp benefits for about 700,000 Americans, issuing a new regulation that makes it harder for states to grant exceptions.
Merry Christmas.
Sticking it to the elites
dv said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-04/trump-administration-moves-to-end-food-stamps-for-750-000The Trump administration announced a plan Wednesday to end food-stamp benefits for about 700,000 Americans, issuing a new regulation that makes it harder for states to grant exceptions.
What a turnout to the soup kitchens!
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-04/trump-administration-moves-to-end-food-stamps-for-750-000The Trump administration announced a plan Wednesday to end food-stamp benefits for about 700,000 Americans, issuing a new regulation that makes it harder for states to grant exceptions.
Merry Christmas.
Sticking it to the elites
Draining the swamp/
dv said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-04/trump-administration-moves-to-end-food-stamps-for-750-000The Trump administration announced a plan Wednesday to end food-stamp benefits for about 700,000 Americans, issuing a new regulation that makes it harder for states to grant exceptions.
Hopefully once this is implemented there can be another tax cut for those on the highest earning bracket. That’d be good.
Sorry, I meant for that to go in Woodie’s thread, not the weird thread.
Further state head-to-head polling has supported the view that Biden is doing better than Sanders and Warren in the northern swing states (Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania), Sanders doing not quite so well, and Warren doing worst.
Biden is also doing well in the head-to-heads in Florida and North Carolina. All three lead candidates appear to be ahead in Arizona. These are considered important swing states.
Some surprising news in the deep South. Biden is consistent polling well ahead of Trump in Georgia. Georgia last went for a Democratic Presidential candidate in 1992. Sanders and Warren are also a point or two ahead in Georgia, but basically “tied” within the margin or error.
Biden’s even in touch in Texas, with a polling average about 2% behind Trump. Not quite there yet, but if he did win Texas he’d be the first Democrat to do so since Jimmy Carter in 1976.
Some states don’t have much (or any) recent polling, but based on what we have, if a Trump/Biden election had the results given by averages of head to head polls, it would be a 372 – 166 victory for Biden in the Electoral College.
This would represent pickups of Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Florida, Georgia and West Virginia compared to the 2016 results.
It’s pretty close in Texas and Iowa. They would have to be considered in scope as well.
Haven’t seen any polling for Louisiana, Tennessee, Indiana, Arkansas so I’ve just assumed they have remained Republican but given the shifts in Texas, Georgia, West Virginia and the mid-west it would be interesting to see.
There is other legislation on the Floor. I hope that you observe it – one of it, to address the insider trading. That is coming up this week, as well.And then, just to say, we have 275 bills – and, as I said to you: legislate, investigate, litigate. In our legislation, we have 275 bills that are bipartisan on Mitch McConnell’s desk. The ‘Grim Reaper’ says all we’re doing is impeachment. No, we have 275 bipartisan bills on your desk. Among them are background checks.
House Speaker Pelosi responding to Senate Majority Leader McConnell’s jibe.
dv said:
There is other legislation on the Floor. I hope that you observe it – one of it, to address the insider trading. That is coming up this week, as well.And then, just to say, we have 275 bills – and, as I said to you: legislate, investigate, litigate. In our legislation, we have 275 bills that are bipartisan on Mitch McConnell’s desk. The ‘Grim Reaper’ says all we’re doing is impeachment. No, we have 275 bipartisan bills on your desk. Among them are background checks.
House Speaker Pelosi responding to Senate Majority Leader McConnell’s jibe.
It would be hard to imagine the same thing happening in Aus. Bills going to the Senate and just never getting read…
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/06/politics/legal-scholars-letter-trump-impeachment/index.html
More than 500 legal scholars signed on to a letter published Friday accusing President Donald Trump of having “engaged in impeachable conduct” in his dealings in Ukraine.
“There is overwhelming evidence that President Trump betrayed his oath of office by seeking to use presidential power to pressure a foreign government to help him distort an American election, for his personal and political benefit, at the direct expense of national security interests as determined by Congress,” they wrote. “His conduct is precisely the type of threat to our democracy that the Founders feared when they included the remedy of impeachment in the Constitution.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3BTOwwqTs
He puts this far better than I ever could.
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3BTOwwqTsHe puts this far better than I ever could.
Note that Turley supported the blowjob impeachment 20 years ago.
dv said:
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3BTOwwqTsHe puts this far better than I ever could.
Note that Turley supported the blowjob impeachment 20 years ago.
shrug
Clinton lied to congress.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3BTOwwqTsHe puts this far better than I ever could.
Note that Turley supported the blowjob impeachment 20 years ago.
shrug
Clinton lied to congress.
Trump of course also provided false written statements to Congress, per the MR, but that’s like the 20th most significant transgression he’s committed. There’s near unanimity that Trump’s actions are more eminently impeachable than even Nixon’s.
But (shrugs) people get that. Most Americans agree with impeachment already, whereas support for Clinton’s impeachment never cracked 30%, so I guess the case has successfully been made
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3BTOwwqTsHe puts this far better than I ever could.
Note that Turley supported the blowjob impeachment 20 years ago.
shrug
Clinton lied to congress.
Is a blowjob intercourse?
Some of Turley’s comments are kind of headscratching.
He claimed that the Democrats should wait until the courts force WH staff to comply with subpoenas.
The very fact that WH staff have been instructed not to comply is, itself, obstruction of justice and contempt of congress. Those are impeachable, right there.
sibeen, I think you need to read a bit more widely and get more of a sense of how completely unprecedented all of this is.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
dv said:Note that Turley supported the blowjob impeachment 20 years ago.
shrug
Clinton lied to congress.
Is a blowjob intercourse?
of course its discourse
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
dv said:Note that Turley supported the blowjob impeachment 20 years ago.
shrug
Clinton lied to congress.
Is a blowjob intercourse?
He said ‘sexual relations’ a category I would include a blow job in.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:shrug
Clinton lied to congress.
Is a blowjob intercourse?
of course its discourse
It’s coarse
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:shrug
Clinton lied to congress.
Is a blowjob intercourse?
He said ‘sexual relations’ a category I would include a blow job in.
Depends what question they asked though. If they used the term ‘sexual relations’ then he has no excuse. If he volunteered that description himself it’s a grey area IMO.
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:shrug
Clinton lied to congress.
Is a blowjob intercourse?
He said ‘sexual relations’ a category I would include a blow job in.
But he said it in such a way that it sounded convincing.
So this is what we’ve got:
Clinton
__
Lied to Congress x 1
Trump
__
Bribery
Extortion
Contrempt of Congress by withholding aid that Congress had approved, for personal gain
Contempt of Congress by instructing staff not to comply with subpoenas
Obstruction of Congress x 6
Obstruction of Justice x ~10
Lied to Federal Investigators x ~5
Lied to Congress x ~5
I’ll say this for the House Republicans. They’ve been smart enough to ignore Trump’s advice, and have been pretty upfront about how bad DJT’s actions have been.
dv said:
So this is what we’ve got:Clinton
__Lied to Congress x 1
Trump
__
BriberyExtortion
Contrempt of Congress by withholding aid that Congress had approved, for personal gain
Contempt of Congress by instructing staff not to comply with subpoenas
Obstruction of Congress x 6
Obstruction of Justice x ~10
Lied to Federal Investigators x ~5
Lied to Congress x ~5
emoluments.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
So this is what we’ve got:Clinton
__Lied to Congress x 1
Trump
__
BriberyExtortion
Contrempt of Congress by withholding aid that Congress had approved, for personal gain
Contempt of Congress by instructing staff not to comply with subpoenas
Obstruction of Congress x 6
Obstruction of Justice x ~10
Lied to Federal Investigators x ~5
Lied to Congress x ~5
emoluments.
I’m too easy on him
Remarks by Donald Trump at the recent Small Business Roundtable
We’ll provide greater financial freedom and flexibility for U.S. truckers. The trucking industry has gotten — right, Elaine? — out of control. You might want to say a few words about that in a minute. But it’s gotten out of control. And we’re doing other things. The lightbulb. They got rid of the lightbulb that people got used to. The new bulb is many times more expensive. And I hate to say it, it doesn’t make you look as good. Of course, being a vain person, that’s very important to me. It’s like a — it gives you an orange look. I don’t want an orange look. Has anyone noticed that? So we’ll have to change those bulbs in at least a couple of rooms where I am in the White House.But we’re going back to the — it’s a double standard. We have a standard of the new bulbs, and we have the old bulbs. And they’re already making the old bulbs. Many people were complaining that the new bulbs were much, much more expensive. Many times, in some cases, more expensive. And the other thing, they’re considered a hazardous waste that, because it’s largely a gas technology, when the bulb is disposed of, you’re supposed to bring it to a hazardous waste site. I said, “How many people do that?” “No- — nobody does it.” And, you know, that’s a bad thing.
So you probably heard about it. You probably read about it. And you’ll be able to buy lightbulbs that actually are better lighting, in the opinion of many — and, I tell you, in my opinion — and for a lot less money. And so we’re doing that. But you’ll also be able — if you want, you can buy the other bulbs also. And I’ll tell you, even the bulb companies are very happy about that.
But together, we’re defending the American workers. We’re using common sense. We have a situation where we’re looking very strongly at sinks and showers and other elements of bathrooms where you turn the faucet on — in areas where there’s tremendous amounts of water, where the water rushes out to sea because you could never handle it — and you don’t get any water. You turn on the faucet; you don’t get any water. They take a shower and water comes dripping out. It’s dripping out — very quietly dripping out. People are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times, as opposed to once. They end up using more water. So, EPA is looking at that very strongly, at my suggestion.
You go into a new building or a new house or a new home, and they have standards, “Oh, you don’t get water.” You can’t wash your hands, practically, there’s so little water comes out of the faucet. And the end result is you leave the faucet on and it takes you much longer to wash your hands. You end up using the same amount of water.
So we’re looking at, very seriously, at opening up the standard. And there may be some areas where we’ll go the other route — desert areas. But for the most part, you have many states where they have so much water that it comes down — it’s called rain — that they don’t know — they don’t know what to do with it.
So we’re going to be opening up that, I believe. And we’re looking at changing the standards very soon. And that’s a little bit like the lightbulb, where you get a bulb that’s better for much less money. We go back — but you have the other alternative. And you’ll keep the other alternative with sinks and showers, et cetera, too. But that’s been a big problem.
Okay … what the fuck?
dv said:
Remarks by Donald Trump at the recent Small Business RoundtableWe’ll provide greater financial freedom and flexibility for U.S. truckers. The trucking industry has gotten — right, Elaine? — out of control. You might want to say a few words about that in a minute. But it’s gotten out of control. And we’re doing other things. The lightbulb. They got rid of the lightbulb that people got used to. The new bulb is many times more expensive. And I hate to say it, it doesn’t make you look as good. Of course, being a vain person, that’s very important to me. It’s like a — it gives you an orange look. I don’t want an orange look. Has anyone noticed that? So we’ll have to change those bulbs in at least a couple of rooms where I am in the White House.But we’re going back to the — it’s a double standard. We have a standard of the new bulbs, and we have the old bulbs. And they’re already making the old bulbs. Many people were complaining that the new bulbs were much, much more expensive. Many times, in some cases, more expensive. And the other thing, they’re considered a hazardous waste that, because it’s largely a gas technology, when the bulb is disposed of, you’re supposed to bring it to a hazardous waste site. I said, “How many people do that?” “No- — nobody does it.” And, you know, that’s a bad thing.
So you probably heard about it. You probably read about it. And you’ll be able to buy lightbulbs that actually are better lighting, in the opinion of many — and, I tell you, in my opinion — and for a lot less money. And so we’re doing that. But you’ll also be able — if you want, you can buy the other bulbs also. And I’ll tell you, even the bulb companies are very happy about that.
But together, we’re defending the American workers. We’re using common sense. We have a situation where we’re looking very strongly at sinks and showers and other elements of bathrooms where you turn the faucet on — in areas where there’s tremendous amounts of water, where the water rushes out to sea because you could never handle it — and you don’t get any water. You turn on the faucet; you don’t get any water. They take a shower and water comes dripping out. It’s dripping out — very quietly dripping out. People are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times, as opposed to once. They end up using more water. So, EPA is looking at that very strongly, at my suggestion.
You go into a new building or a new house or a new home, and they have standards, “Oh, you don’t get water.” You can’t wash your hands, practically, there’s so little water comes out of the faucet. And the end result is you leave the faucet on and it takes you much longer to wash your hands. You end up using the same amount of water.
So we’re looking at, very seriously, at opening up the standard. And there may be some areas where we’ll go the other route — desert areas. But for the most part, you have many states where they have so much water that it comes down — it’s called rain — that they don’t know — they don’t know what to do with it.
So we’re going to be opening up that, I believe. And we’re looking at changing the standards very soon. And that’s a little bit like the lightbulb, where you get a bulb that’s better for much less money. We go back — but you have the other alternative. And you’ll keep the other alternative with sinks and showers, et cetera, too. But that’s been a big problem.
Okay … what the fuck?
Dd you see that bit of FoxNews talking about how funny he was? When he demonstrates having completely lost the plot it is perceived as a comedy routine.
Except by the people who are genuinely concerned that there is a mad man running the show. Those who notice that there are minders to stop him walking off in the wrong direction and such.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Remarks by Donald Trump at the recent Small Business RoundtableWe’ll provide greater financial freedom and flexibility for U.S. truckers. The trucking industry has gotten — right, Elaine? — out of control. You might want to say a few words about that in a minute. But it’s gotten out of control. And we’re doing other things. The lightbulb. They got rid of the lightbulb that people got used to. The new bulb is many times more expensive. And I hate to say it, it doesn’t make you look as good. Of course, being a vain person, that’s very important to me. It’s like a — it gives you an orange look. I don’t want an orange look. Has anyone noticed that? So we’ll have to change those bulbs in at least a couple of rooms where I am in the White House.But we’re going back to the — it’s a double standard. We have a standard of the new bulbs, and we have the old bulbs. And they’re already making the old bulbs. Many people were complaining that the new bulbs were much, much more expensive. Many times, in some cases, more expensive. And the other thing, they’re considered a hazardous waste that, because it’s largely a gas technology, when the bulb is disposed of, you’re supposed to bring it to a hazardous waste site. I said, “How many people do that?” “No- — nobody does it.” And, you know, that’s a bad thing.
So you probably heard about it. You probably read about it. And you’ll be able to buy lightbulbs that actually are better lighting, in the opinion of many — and, I tell you, in my opinion — and for a lot less money. And so we’re doing that. But you’ll also be able — if you want, you can buy the other bulbs also. And I’ll tell you, even the bulb companies are very happy about that.
But together, we’re defending the American workers. We’re using common sense. We have a situation where we’re looking very strongly at sinks and showers and other elements of bathrooms where you turn the faucet on — in areas where there’s tremendous amounts of water, where the water rushes out to sea because you could never handle it — and you don’t get any water. You turn on the faucet; you don’t get any water. They take a shower and water comes dripping out. It’s dripping out — very quietly dripping out. People are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times, as opposed to once. They end up using more water. So, EPA is looking at that very strongly, at my suggestion.
You go into a new building or a new house or a new home, and they have standards, “Oh, you don’t get water.” You can’t wash your hands, practically, there’s so little water comes out of the faucet. And the end result is you leave the faucet on and it takes you much longer to wash your hands. You end up using the same amount of water.
So we’re looking at, very seriously, at opening up the standard. And there may be some areas where we’ll go the other route — desert areas. But for the most part, you have many states where they have so much water that it comes down — it’s called rain — that they don’t know — they don’t know what to do with it.
So we’re going to be opening up that, I believe. And we’re looking at changing the standards very soon. And that’s a little bit like the lightbulb, where you get a bulb that’s better for much less money. We go back — but you have the other alternative. And you’ll keep the other alternative with sinks and showers, et cetera, too. But that’s been a big problem.
Okay … what the fuck?
Dd you see that bit of FoxNews talking about how funny he was? When he demonstrates having completely lost the plot it is perceived as a comedy routine.
Except by the people who are genuinely concerned that there is a mad man running the show. Those who notice that there are minders to stop him walking off in the wrong direction and such.
He’s funny, alright.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Remarks by Donald Trump at the recent Small Business RoundtableWe’ll provide greater financial freedom and flexibility for U.S. truckers. The trucking industry has gotten — right, Elaine? — out of control. You might want to say a few words about that in a minute. But it’s gotten out of control. And we’re doing other things. The lightbulb. They got rid of the lightbulb that people got used to. The new bulb is many times more expensive. And I hate to say it, it doesn’t make you look as good. Of course, being a vain person, that’s very important to me. It’s like a — it gives you an orange look. I don’t want an orange look. Has anyone noticed that? So we’ll have to change those bulbs in at least a couple of rooms where I am in the White House.But we’re going back to the — it’s a double standard. We have a standard of the new bulbs, and we have the old bulbs. And they’re already making the old bulbs. Many people were complaining that the new bulbs were much, much more expensive. Many times, in some cases, more expensive. And the other thing, they’re considered a hazardous waste that, because it’s largely a gas technology, when the bulb is disposed of, you’re supposed to bring it to a hazardous waste site. I said, “How many people do that?” “No- — nobody does it.” And, you know, that’s a bad thing.
So you probably heard about it. You probably read about it. And you’ll be able to buy lightbulbs that actually are better lighting, in the opinion of many — and, I tell you, in my opinion — and for a lot less money. And so we’re doing that. But you’ll also be able — if you want, you can buy the other bulbs also. And I’ll tell you, even the bulb companies are very happy about that.
But together, we’re defending the American workers. We’re using common sense. We have a situation where we’re looking very strongly at sinks and showers and other elements of bathrooms where you turn the faucet on — in areas where there’s tremendous amounts of water, where the water rushes out to sea because you could never handle it — and you don’t get any water. You turn on the faucet; you don’t get any water. They take a shower and water comes dripping out. It’s dripping out — very quietly dripping out. People are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times, as opposed to once. They end up using more water. So, EPA is looking at that very strongly, at my suggestion.
You go into a new building or a new house or a new home, and they have standards, “Oh, you don’t get water.” You can’t wash your hands, practically, there’s so little water comes out of the faucet. And the end result is you leave the faucet on and it takes you much longer to wash your hands. You end up using the same amount of water.
So we’re looking at, very seriously, at opening up the standard. And there may be some areas where we’ll go the other route — desert areas. But for the most part, you have many states where they have so much water that it comes down — it’s called rain — that they don’t know — they don’t know what to do with it.
So we’re going to be opening up that, I believe. And we’re looking at changing the standards very soon. And that’s a little bit like the lightbulb, where you get a bulb that’s better for much less money. We go back — but you have the other alternative. And you’ll keep the other alternative with sinks and showers, et cetera, too. But that’s been a big problem.
Okay … what the fuck?
Dd you see that bit of FoxNews talking about how funny he was? When he demonstrates having completely lost the plot it is perceived as a comedy routine.
Except by the people who are genuinely concerned that there is a mad man running the show. Those who notice that there are minders to stop him walking off in the wrong direction and such.
He’s funny, alright.
we thought like those monkeys named william if you say enough shifty stuff then at least some of it will stick in the head as poetry
dv said:
Remarks by Donald Trump at the recent Small Business RoundtableWe’ll provide greater financial freedom and flexibility for U.S. truckers. The trucking industry has gotten — right, Elaine? — out of control. You might want to say a few words about that in a minute. But it’s gotten out of control. And we’re doing other things. The lightbulb. They got rid of the lightbulb that people got used to. The new bulb is many times more expensive. And I hate to say it, it doesn’t make you look as good. Of course, being a vain person, that’s very important to me. It’s like a — it gives you an orange look. I don’t want an orange look. Has anyone noticed that? So we’ll have to change those bulbs in at least a couple of rooms where I am in the White House.But we’re going back to the — it’s a double standard. We have a standard of the new bulbs, and we have the old bulbs. And they’re already making the old bulbs. Many people were complaining that the new bulbs were much, much more expensive. Many times, in some cases, more expensive. And the other thing, they’re considered a hazardous waste that, because it’s largely a gas technology, when the bulb is disposed of, you’re supposed to bring it to a hazardous waste site. I said, “How many people do that?” “No- — nobody does it.” And, you know, that’s a bad thing.
So you probably heard about it. You probably read about it. And you’ll be able to buy lightbulbs that actually are better lighting, in the opinion of many — and, I tell you, in my opinion — and for a lot less money. And so we’re doing that. But you’ll also be able — if you want, you can buy the other bulbs also. And I’ll tell you, even the bulb companies are very happy about that.
But together, we’re defending the American workers. We’re using common sense. We have a situation where we’re looking very strongly at sinks and showers and other elements of bathrooms where you turn the faucet on — in areas where there’s tremendous amounts of water, where the water rushes out to sea because you could never handle it — and you don’t get any water. You turn on the faucet; you don’t get any water. They take a shower and water comes dripping out. It’s dripping out — very quietly dripping out. People are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times, as opposed to once. They end up using more water. So, EPA is looking at that very strongly, at my suggestion.
You go into a new building or a new house or a new home, and they have standards, “Oh, you don’t get water.” You can’t wash your hands, practically, there’s so little water comes out of the faucet. And the end result is you leave the faucet on and it takes you much longer to wash your hands. You end up using the same amount of water.
So we’re looking at, very seriously, at opening up the standard. And there may be some areas where we’ll go the other route — desert areas. But for the most part, you have many states where they have so much water that it comes down — it’s called rain — that they don’t know — they don’t know what to do with it.
So we’re going to be opening up that, I believe. And we’re looking at changing the standards very soon. And that’s a little bit like the lightbulb, where you get a bulb that’s better for much less money. We go back — but you have the other alternative. And you’ll keep the other alternative with sinks and showers, et cetera, too. But that’s been a big problem.
Okay … what the fuck?
Drivel, pure and simple.
Divine Angel said:
It’s tempting to dismiss him as a self-centred moron, but presumably this is aimed at the people who might vote for him, rather than the people he knows won’t for him.
Are any of the Dems actually proposing a wealth tax?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
It’s tempting to dismiss him as a self-centred moron, but presumably this is aimed at the people who might vote for him, rather than the people he knows won’t for him.
Are any of the Dems actually proposing a wealth tax?
Yes. Warren is hence the pocahontas gibe.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
It’s tempting to dismiss him as a self-centred moron, but presumably this is aimed at the people who might vote for him, rather than the people he knows won’t for him.
Are any of the Dems actually proposing a wealth tax?
Yes. Warren is hence the pocahontas gibe.
OK, although he doesn’t really need an actual reason to bring out the pocahontas gibe.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
It’s tempting to dismiss him as a self-centred moron, but presumably this is aimed at the people who might vote for him, rather than the people he knows won’t for him.
Are any of the Dems actually proposing a wealth tax?
yes.. Warren is.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
It’s tempting to dismiss him as a self-centred moron, but presumably this is aimed at the people who might vote for him, rather than the people he knows won’t for him.
Are any of the Dems actually proposing a wealth tax?
yes.. Warren is.
A two-cent tax on the great fortunes of more than $50 million can bring in nearly $3 trillion to rebuild America’s middle class. Add your name if you agree: It’s time for the rich to pay their fair share.
https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/ultra-millionaire-tax
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:It’s tempting to dismiss him as a self-centred moron, but presumably this is aimed at the people who might vote for him, rather than the people he knows won’t for him.
Are any of the Dems actually proposing a wealth tax?
yes.. Warren is.
A two-cent tax on the great fortunes of more than $50 million can bring in nearly $3 trillion to rebuild America’s middle class. Add your name if you agree: It’s time for the rich to pay their fair share.
https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/ultra-millionaire-tax
I found this one:
https://www.fool.com/taxes/2019/01/28/elizabeth-warrens-wealth-tax-heres-what-you-need-t.aspx
Sort of interesting that politicians can successfully present a tax on a small number of very rich people, that would allow lower taxes on everybody else, as a terrible thing for everybody.
And in Australia not even those commies in the Labor Party dare suggest it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
And in Australia not even those commies in the Labor Party dare suggest it.
Frankly I’m surprised.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:And in Australia not even those commies in the Labor Party dare suggest it.
Frankly I’m surprised.
Well they had their go at pretending that Murdoch doesn’t matter anymore, and we know how that worked out.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:yes.. Warren is.
A two-cent tax on the great fortunes of more than $50 million can bring in nearly $3 trillion to rebuild America’s middle class. Add your name if you agree: It’s time for the rich to pay their fair share.
https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/ultra-millionaire-tax
I found this one:
https://www.fool.com/taxes/2019/01/28/elizabeth-warrens-wealth-tax-heres-what-you-need-t.aspx
Sort of interesting that politicians can successfully present a tax on a small number of very rich people, that would allow lower taxes on everybody else, as a terrible thing for everybody.
And in Australia not even those commies in the Labor Party dare suggest it.
I think it’s a function of ‘aspiration’ – that is, “if I were a multi-millionaire, I wouldn’t want to give up my money to a wealth tax either” – that’s essentially the attitude that torpedoed the Labs economic reform agenda in the election
Couple of developments:
The Department of Justice’s Inspector General has found that the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election was free of political bias and was adequately predicated, nullifying one of the President’s favourite talking points.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/09/russia-conspiracy-theories-inspector-general-report-079474
Additionally, the Republican dominated Senate panel found no evidence of interference by Ukraine in that election, killing another of the President’s talking points.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/02/senate-panel-ukraine-election-interference-074796
So I guess he’ll never bring those up again lol
Chris Wallace on Fox seems to have nearly had enough of the conservative doublethink regarding impeachment:
Wallace also dressed down Starr, who served as the independent counsel in the Clinton impeachment, for saying that there is no prospect of Trump being removed from office by a conviction in the Senate.“As if that should somehow affect the ways the House proceeds,” Wallace said. “There was certainly never any prospect that Clinton was going to be removed, and in fact, you talked about the political buy-in. Bill Clinton in 1998 at the height of the whole impeachment thing, scored a victory. Democrats actually picked up seats.”
“I’m simply saying there’s a very different standard in how the Clinton impeachment went and how this impeachment is being judged. This seems to be about a much bigger issue,” Wallace concluded. “But it seems to be an issue about foreign policy, national security, the security of our elections. It’s a much bigger issue than whether Bill Clinton lied about sex.”
dv said:
Couple of developments:The Department of Justice’s Inspector General has found that the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election was free of political bias and was adequately predicated, nullifying one of the President’s favourite talking points.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/09/russia-conspiracy-theories-inspector-general-report-079474
Additionally, the Republican dominated Senate panel found no evidence of interference by Ukraine in that election, killing another of the President’s talking points.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/02/senate-panel-ukraine-election-interference-074796
So I guess he’ll never bring those up again lol
Chris Wallace on Fox seems to have nearly had enough of the conservative doublethink regarding impeachment:
Wallace also dressed down Starr, who served as the independent counsel in the Clinton impeachment, for saying that there is no prospect of Trump being removed from office by a conviction in the Senate.“As if that should somehow affect the ways the House proceeds,” Wallace said. “There was certainly never any prospect that Clinton was going to be removed, and in fact, you talked about the political buy-in. Bill Clinton in 1998 at the height of the whole impeachment thing, scored a victory. Democrats actually picked up seats.”
“I’m simply saying there’s a very different standard in how the Clinton impeachment went and how this impeachment is being judged. This seems to be about a much bigger issue,” Wallace concluded. “But it seems to be an issue about foreign policy, national security, the security of our elections. It’s a much bigger issue than whether Bill Clinton lied about sex.”
I watched last night for a while. It was similar to Aus parliament. Lots of lying. No one cared. Bit of gavel thumping tho.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Couple of developments:The Department of Justice’s Inspector General has found that the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election was free of political bias and was adequately predicated, nullifying one of the President’s favourite talking points.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/09/russia-conspiracy-theories-inspector-general-report-079474
Additionally, the Republican dominated Senate panel found no evidence of interference by Ukraine in that election, killing another of the President’s talking points.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/02/senate-panel-ukraine-election-interference-074796
So I guess he’ll never bring those up again lol
Chris Wallace on Fox seems to have nearly had enough of the conservative doublethink regarding impeachment:
Wallace also dressed down Starr, who served as the independent counsel in the Clinton impeachment, for saying that there is no prospect of Trump being removed from office by a conviction in the Senate.“As if that should somehow affect the ways the House proceeds,” Wallace said. “There was certainly never any prospect that Clinton was going to be removed, and in fact, you talked about the political buy-in. Bill Clinton in 1998 at the height of the whole impeachment thing, scored a victory. Democrats actually picked up seats.”
“I’m simply saying there’s a very different standard in how the Clinton impeachment went and how this impeachment is being judged. This seems to be about a much bigger issue,” Wallace concluded. “But it seems to be an issue about foreign policy, national security, the security of our elections. It’s a much bigger issue than whether Bill Clinton lied about sex.”
I watched last night for a while. It was similar to Aus parliament. Lots of lying. No one cared. Bit of gavel thumping tho.
Just politics, but why should we put up with it.
Donald Trump’s articles of impeachment, explained
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-11/donald-trump-articles-of-impeachment-explained/11769894
Donald Trump explained would be a good article.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trump is Definitely Getting Impeached
If he does I wonder if his evil toupee will rip itself off his head killing him in the process and find another host
Tau.Neutrino said:
PROOF: The World is Laughing at Donald Trump
I bet all those military people you see must piss themselves laughing, the urge to laugh, some must get in trouble.
Rule 303 said:
Tau.Neutrino said:PROOF: The World is Laughing at Donald TrumpWas there some doubt?
I remember saying that Trump was damaging America during his election campaign before he became President.
https://politicaltribune.org/fox-news-judge-claims-he-would-certainly-vote-to-impeach-trump/
Fox News Judge Claims He Would “Certainly” Vote To Impeach Trump
Fox News Judge Andrew Napolitano made an appearance on the Fox News segment America’s Newsroom, where he made it crystal clear that he believes “the Democrats have credibly argued that committed impeachable offenses” in regard to the Ukraine scandal.
“So — by directing his subordinates to refuse to comply with lawfully issued subpoenas, whether it’s for testimony or for documents — that’s an impeachable offense.”
“We know that from history, every time the House of Representatives has looked at that with respect to a president,” Napolitano went on, “it has found it to be impeachable. On that, reasonable minds cannot disagree without rejecting history and without rejecting constitutional norms.”
Fox News host Bill Hemmer went on to ask the judge during the segment, “If you were in the House, would you vote for impeachment?”
“I certainly would. I’m never going to be in the House,” Napolitano responded with a laugh. “I would on that count.”
He then proceeded to explain that “reasonable minds” could argue over why Trump ultimately held up the aid to Ukraine.
“What was the president’s intent when he held up this aid?” the judge questioned. “Was it truly to eradicate corruption in Ukraine? Was he truly concerned that American taxpayer dollars would go into the hands of crooks? Or was he looking to use the instruments of a foreign government to help his political campaign?”
Napolitano gave his opinion on the latest rounds of public hearings, explaining that he doubted it would sway the public mind, but not without warning that “letting Trump be Trump is not good enough under the Constitution.”
“We don’t lower the bar because the president has unorthodox ways,” he added. “The bar is intentionally broad and even ambiguous as to what high crimes and misdemeanors are.”
Rule 303 said:
Tau.Neutrino said:PROOF: The World is Laughing at Donald TrumpWas there some doubt?
Should put together a montage of people on stage with DJT, looking at him like he’s insane. Buzz Aldrin is a fave.
dv said:
Rule 303 said:
Tau.Neutrino said:PROOF: The World is Laughing at Donald TrumpWas there some doubt?
Should put together a montage of people on stage with DJT, looking at him like he’s insane. Buzz Aldrin is a fave.
Do an over-dub of the ‘Biggus Dikkus’ scene from ‘The Life of Bwian’.
:-)
dv said:
Rule 303 said:
Tau.Neutrino said:PROOF: The World is Laughing at Donald TrumpWas there some doubt?
Should put together a montage of people on stage with DJT, looking at him like he’s insane. Buzz Aldrin is a fave.
The UN general assembly laughing openly is a goodun.
Witty Rejoinder said:
World leaders appear to laugh at Trump at UN
dv said:
Rule 303 said:Was there some doubt?
Should put together a montage of people on stage with DJT, looking at him like he’s insane. Buzz Aldrin is a fave.
The UN general assembly laughing openly is a goodun.
Trump Unhinged in Preposterously Manic Rally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qREeZ3VIXYg



Impeachment Raises Questions About Secret Stash Of Trump Records
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Nu2_8u3×0
The phone call record where Trump asks Putin how he should move forward with North Korea…is missing on a game of secret servers…
And more.
House Judiciary Committee votes to impeach Trump, capping damaging testimony
The measures, charging abuse of power and obstruction of Congress by the president, now go to the full House for passage.
more…
meanwhile in Ohio…

*peers over glasses.
say what?
sarahs mum said:
meanwhile in Ohio…
*peers over glasses.
say what?
I can’t explain any of this stuff. Maybe it’s end of times.
Maybe that’s why the happy-clappy Hillsong Scummo won’t talk about the elephant in the room, because it’s Dog’s Will, and he must carry out Dog’s Will to be saved now the Apocalypse is started.
Some fresh meat from Fox News Polling
Donald Trump threatens to skip Presidential debates
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-debates-2020-election-democrats-twitter-today-mic-hillary-clinton-a9249356.html
The first presidential general election debate is 288 days away, but Donald Trump says he may skip them, claiming the organising committee is biased and resurrecting a minor technical issue from a debate three years ago
Included among the torrent of tweets the president posted on Monday morning was a declaration that “as President, the debates are up to ,” and he would like to avoid the “very biased” Commission on Presidential Debates, the non-partisan organisation which has organised presidential debates since then-President Ronald Reagan faced off against former Vice President Walter Mondale during the 1988 general election.
Mr Trump wrote that he was looking forward to debating the eventual Democratic nominee next year, but claimed the commission – which was founded by former Republican National Committee chairman Frank Fahrenkopf – “is stacked with Trump Haters and Never Trumpers.” He offered no evidence to support this claim.
In addition to Mr Fahrenkopf – who still serves as the commission’s co-chairman – the organisation’s board of directors includes a veritable who’s who of American politics and media, including former Republican Senators John Danforth and Olympia Snowe, University of Notre Dame president Reverend John Jenkins,
Moreover, the commission’s executive director, Janet Brown, is a Republican who served on the Senate staff of Mr Danforth and was an aide to Elliot Richardson, the Nixon-era Attorney General, when he worked at the State Department.
In a statement to The Independent, a spokesperson for the commission called the debates “an important part of our democratic process” and defended the organisations’ track record for evenhandedness.
“Since 1988, the Commission on Presidential Debates has conducted 30 general election presidential and vice presidential debates. Our record is one of fairness, balance and non-partisanship.”
Trump Says He Turned Down Time’s Person of the Year Honor
Time, however, disputed the president’s claim, claiming in its own tweet that Trump’s story was “incorrect,” and that it does not comment on the choice of Person of the Year, publicly or privately, until December 6, when the cover is published. Time’s chief content officer, Alan Murray, added in his own tweets that there was “not a speck of truth” to the president’s claim.
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He’s an odd fellow
dv said:
Trump Says He Turned Down Time’s Person of the Year Honor
Time, however, disputed the president’s claim, claiming in its own tweet that Trump’s story was “incorrect,” and that it does not comment on the choice of Person of the Year, publicly or privately, until December 6, when the cover is published. Time’s chief content officer, Alan Murray, added in his own tweets that there was “not a speck of truth” to the president’s claim.
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He’s an odd fellow
His major photo shoot involves over ten million dollars of catering services, mirrors gold and bling.
dv said:
Trump Says He Turned Down Time’s Person of the Year Honor
Time, however, disputed the president’s claim, claiming in its own tweet that Trump’s story was “incorrect,” and that it does not comment on the choice of Person of the Year, publicly or privately, until December 6, when the cover is published. Time’s chief content officer, Alan Murray, added in his own tweets that there was “not a speck of truth” to the president’s claim.
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He’s an odd fellow
Yeah, I don’t think Alan gets satire.
dv said:
Trump Says He Turned Down Time’s Person of the Year Honor
Time, however, disputed the president’s claim, claiming in its own tweet that Trump’s story was “incorrect,” and that it does not comment on the choice of Person of the Year, publicly or privately, until December 6, when the cover is published. Time’s chief content officer, Alan Murray, added in his own tweets that there was “not a speck of truth” to the president’s claim.
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He’s an odd fellow
Trump thought he was going to be Man of the year got beaten by a 16 year old Girl.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Trump Says He Turned Down Time’s Person of the Year Honor
Time, however, disputed the president’s claim, claiming in its own tweet that Trump’s story was “incorrect,” and that it does not comment on the choice of Person of the Year, publicly or privately, until December 6, when the cover is published. Time’s chief content officer, Alan Murray, added in his own tweets that there was “not a speck of truth” to the president’s claim.
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He’s an odd fellow
Yeah, I don’t think Alan gets satire.
Not many people are sophisticated enough to grasp Trump’s sly self-deprecating wit. He’s like a straight Noel Coward.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Trump Says He Turned Down Time’s Person of the Year Honor
Time, however, disputed the president’s claim, claiming in its own tweet that Trump’s story was “incorrect,” and that it does not comment on the choice of Person of the Year, publicly or privately, until December 6, when the cover is published. Time’s chief content officer, Alan Murray, added in his own tweets that there was “not a speck of truth” to the president’s claim.
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He’s an odd fellow
Yeah, I don’t think Alan gets satire.
Me neither.
Could you explain who is being satirical about what here?
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Trump Says He Turned Down Time’s Person of the Year Honor
Time, however, disputed the president’s claim, claiming in its own tweet that Trump’s story was “incorrect,” and that it does not comment on the choice of Person of the Year, publicly or privately, until December 6, when the cover is published. Time’s chief content officer, Alan Murray, added in his own tweets that there was “not a speck of truth” to the president’s claim.
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He’s an odd fellow
Yeah, I don’t think Alan gets satire.
Not many people are sophisticated enough to grasp Trump’s sly self-deprecating wit. He’s like a straight Noel Coward.
All is not lost.
My satire detector is now showing signs of life.
Thanks dv.
Trump has agreed to sign a bill that gives 12 weeks of parental leave to Federal employees, so I’ll give him a thunbs up for that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:Yeah, I don’t think Alan gets satire.
Not many people are sophisticated enough to grasp Trump’s sly self-deprecating wit. He’s like a straight Noel Coward.
All is not lost.
My satire detector is now showing signs of life.
Thanks dv.
I mean if the entire Trump presidency turned out to be a piece of satirical performance art then it would all make sense
dv said:
I mean if the entire Trump presidency turned out to be a piece of satirical performance art then it would all make sense
Well, it is.
The problem is that the people involved in the Trump Presidency don’t realise that it is.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:I mean if the entire Trump presidency turned out to be a piece of satirical performance art then it would all make sense
Well, it is.
The problem is that the people involved in the Trump Presidency don’t realise that it is.
When Trump ends his presidency he gets to say “You’re all fired”.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:I mean if the entire Trump presidency turned out to be a piece of satirical performance art then it would all make sense
Well, it is.
The problem is that the people involved in the Trump Presidency don’t realise that it is.
When Trump ends his presidency he gets to say “You’re all fired”.
It would be amusing if the impeachment ends up with the someone saying,‘You’re fired’ to Trump.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:I mean if the entire Trump presidency turned out to be a piece of satirical performance art then it would all make sense
Well, it is.
The problem is that the people involved in the Trump Presidency don’t realise that it is.
When Trump ends his presidency he gets to say “You’re all fired”.
Or vice versa
I see from the latest polls that approval for the President has collapsed since the articles of impeachment have been approved…wait…hold on a second…what do you mean his approval is the highest it has been since very shortly after his inauguration, that can’t be right. No, no, no
puts fingers in ears and chants
I’ve just broken my sprogs hearts. The youngest just messaged that Trump has been impeached. The oldest chimed in with lots of woohooing.
I just told them that it doesn’t change a thing. Mass disappointment.
sibeen said:
I’ve just broken my sprogs hearts. The youngest just messaged that Trump has been impeached. The oldest chimed in with lots of woohooing.I just told them that it doesn’t change a thing. Mass disappointment.
Of more interest is the notion that your family’s internal communication is primarily through electronic messaging.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
I’ve just broken my sprogs hearts. The youngest just messaged that Trump has been impeached. The oldest chimed in with lots of woohooing.I just told them that it doesn’t change a thing. Mass disappointment.
Of more interest is the notion that your family’s internal communication is primarily through electronic messaging.
It’s the way of the future.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
I’ve just broken my sprogs hearts. The youngest just messaged that Trump has been impeached. The oldest chimed in with lots of woohooing.I just told them that it doesn’t change a thing. Mass disappointment.
Of more interest is the notion that your family’s internal communication is primarily through electronic messaging.
It’s the way of the future.
I do it myself with my family
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Of more interest is the notion that your family’s internal communication is primarily through electronic messaging.
It’s the way of the future.
I do it myself with my family
Pretty much have to if they live on the other side of the planet.
Ohio has been going off on my Facebook feed. He keeps on going on about how angry his is. All of his memes are about Trump being hard done by, Trump for 2020, and how great is the US armed services. A few years ago it was all about football.

sarahs mum said:
Ohio has been going off on my Facebook feed. He keeps on going on about how angry his is. All of his memes are about Trump being hard done by, Trump for 2020, and how great is the US armed services. A few years ago it was all about football.
death throes.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Ohio has been going off on my Facebook feed. He keeps on going on about how angry his is. All of his memes are about Trump being hard done by, Trump for 2020, and how great is the US armed services. A few years ago it was all about football.
death throes.
I have ceased to engage with him. I could block him. But at least I get to see what is going on outside my bubble of reasonable well thought thought.
It is sad. Ohio and family work hard for stuff all and are always borderline. They would benefit from a Sanders.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Ohio has been going off on my Facebook feed. He keeps on going on about how angry his is. All of his memes are about Trump being hard done by, Trump for 2020, and how great is the US armed services. A few years ago it was all about football.
death throes.
I have ceased to engage with him. I could block him. But at least I get to see what is going on outside my bubble of reasonable well thought thought.
It is sad. Ohio and family work hard for stuff all and are always borderline. They would benefit from a Sanders.
Ohio lives in a town that has two employment streams. Weapon and ammunition manufacturing and fast food.
Mrs Ohio posts..

sarahs mum said:
Mrs Ohio posts..
That’s not true.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Mrs Ohio posts..
That’s not true.
Doesn’t surprise me. Seemed suss as.
Thanks for the fact checking.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Mrs Ohio posts..
That’s not true.
Doesn’t surprise me. Seemed suss as.
Thanks for the fact checking.
Did Clinton get a third term?
:)
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Mrs Ohio posts..
That’s not true.
Doesn’t surprise me. Seemed suss as.
Thanks for the fact checking.
Well, if it was true then Clinton would have gone for a third…
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Mrs Ohio posts..
That’s not true.
How can you be so sure?
It seems entirely possible that Mrs Ohio posted that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Mrs Ohio posts..
That’s not true.
How can you be so sure?
It seems entirely possible that Mrs Ohio posted that.
True, true.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:That’s not true.
Doesn’t surprise me. Seemed suss as.
Thanks for the fact checking.
Did Clinton get a third term?
:)
It’s not meant to be true, it’s about how to trigger Trump haters.
Hillary is getting trolled on Twitter. Everything from she killed Jeffrey Epstein to corruption to Trump’s gonna throw her in jail.
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Doesn’t surprise me. Seemed suss as.
Thanks for the fact checking.
Did Clinton get a third term?
:)
It’s not meant to be true, it’s about how to trigger Trump haters.
Correct. ;)
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Doesn’t surprise me. Seemed suss as.
Thanks for the fact checking.
Did Clinton get a third term?
:)
It’s not meant to be true, it’s about how to trigger Trump haters.
I thought it was to give trumpsters false hope.
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:Did Clinton get a third term?
:)
It’s not meant to be true, it’s about how to trigger Trump haters.
I thought it was to give trumpsters false hope.
I don’t think they need false hope at the moment.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s not meant to be true, it’s about how to trigger Trump haters.
I thought it was to give trumpsters false hope.
I don’t think they need false hope at the moment.
In fact things seem to be going swimmingly, and party coffers being filled by sales of Impeach This With raised middle fingers T-shirts.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s not meant to be true, it’s about how to trigger Trump haters.
I thought it was to give trumpsters false hope.
I don’t think they need false hope at the moment.
I was meaning false hope that he would be around far longer than they could have hoped for. not short term stuff.
Trump “I have done nothing wrong”
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:I thought it was to give trumpsters false hope.
I don’t think they need false hope at the moment.
I was meaning false hope that he would be around far longer than they could have hoped for. not short term stuff.
There’s a fair chance Trump will win the next election.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trump “I have done nothing wrong”
Trump “ It doesn’t feel like I have been impeached”.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:I don’t think they need false hope at the moment.
I was meaning false hope that he would be around far longer than they could have hoped for. not short term stuff.
There’s a fair chance Trump will win the next election.
long term = election after next.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trump “I have done nothing wrong”Trump “ It doesn’t feel like I have been impeached”.
Trump “ Glamour. I need more glamour”.
It all depends how the election campaign pans out, I mean he could easily make a misstep, if he gets caught out saying an untruth or denigrating a minority group his whole campaign could be over.
Peak Warming Man said:
It all depends how the election campaign pans out, I mean he could easily make a misstep, if he gets caught out saying an untruth or denigrating a minority group his whole campaign could be over.
HEHEHEHEHEHE
Fuck me, in the democratic debate, Biden is complaining about people attacking his son and people applauded.
sibeen said:
Fuck me, in the democratic debate, Biden is complaining about people attacking his son and people applauded.
Last night NPR Were relating how he dropped out of the 87 bid for POTUS when he was caught plagiarising a speech by UK Labour leader Neil Kinnock, why they chose to run that very old story in a day chock full of political news and on the eve of a debate one can only guess.
Amna Nawaz is one of the moderators for the democratic debate. She’s been asking questions about the war in Afghanistan. She pronounces it as Affanistan which has confused Biden for one. Just seems really weird.
Biden wins the debate, IMHO.
sibeen said:
Biden wins the debate, IMHO.
If Trump’s supporters getting riled up over impeachment don’t get him over the line, running against Biden will…
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Mrs Ohio posts..
That’s not true.
Goes to show how stupid his supporters are.
mr Ohio.
>>I will go out and say that America will re-elect Trump and show the democratic circus how we feel. I don’t agree with everything he does but the hatred the Democratic Party has towards him in almost unhuman like. They have spent so many tax payer dollars for their own incredibly stupid witch hunt. I think the plug has come out of the swamp and it’s starting to drain. They should fear what happens next. Their unlawful acts are coming out. Their greed is real. The game is over and Trump is showing the World how corrupt Washington is. Love every minute of it. Clean the swamp. That is what you stood on and that’s why you have my vote.
Mr ohio shares..

>>We the people ask that impeachment proceedings begin against Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer for Treason against the American People. Article I, section 5 of the U.S. Constitution provides that “Each House” (that is, the Senate and the House of Representative) “may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.”
336,753 have signed
change.org
sarahs mum said:
Mr ohio shares..
>>We the people ask that impeachment proceedings begin against Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer for Treason against the American People. Article I, section 5 of the U.S. Constitution provides that “Each House” (that is, the Senate and the House of Representative) “may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.”
336,753 have signed
change.org
That leaves 329,638,617 who haven’t.
Sorry I haven’t been around to keep you all apprised but here are a couple of hot items. One of them funny, the other one… well they are both funny but in different ways.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/23/trump-bizarre-tirade-windmills
“We have an economy based on wind. I never understood wind. I’ve studied it better than anybody I know. You know, I know windmills very much. They’re noisy. They kill the birds. You want to see a bird graveyard? Go under a windmill someday. You’ll see more birds than you’ve ever seen in your life. They’re made in China and Germany mostly. But they’re manufactured tremendous if you’re into this, tremendous fumes. Gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe.”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-donald-trump-impeached-white-house-considers-arguing-no-articles-of-impeachment-not-delivered-to-senate/
The White House is considering making the case that Mr. Trump has not been impeached based on an opinion piece by Harvard Law Professor Noah Feldman on Bloomberg’s opinion page Thursday. Feldman was one of the legal experts called by Democrats to testify before the House Judiciary Committee earlier this month and has advocated for Mr. Trump’s impeachment and removal from office.“Impeachment as contemplated by the Constitution does not consist merely of the vote by the House, but of the process of sending the articles to the Senate for trial,” Feldman wrote in Bloomberg. “Both parts are necessary to make an impeachment under the Constitution: The House must actually send the articles and send managers to the Senate to prosecute the impeachment. And the Senate must actually hold a trial.”
“If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all,” Feldman wrote.
However, Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe wrote on Twitter that he disagreed with Feldman’s analysis, saying that “under Art. I, Sec. 2, Clause 5, he was impeached on Dec 18, 2019. He will forever remain impeached. Period.” That portion of the Constitution says that the House of Representatives “shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.”
It would be very hard to tell if he’s coming down with dementia, given what he’s normally like.
What do you think of your girl Tulsi failing to actually vote for impeachment DV?
Witty Rejoinder said:
What do you think of your girl Tulsi failing to actually vote for impeachment DV?
I thought it was fuckin’ stupid, and her explicatory comments were the dumbest things I’ve ever heard her say and completely out of line with her previous comments.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
What do you think of your girl Tulsi failing to actually vote for impeachment DV?
I thought it was fuckin’ stupid, and her explicatory comments were the dumbest things I’ve ever heard her say and completely out of line with her previous comments.
Goodo.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
What do you think of your girl Tulsi failing to actually vote for impeachment DV?
I thought it was fuckin’ stupid, and her explicatory comments were the dumbest things I’ve ever heard her say and completely out of line with her previous comments.
Goodo.
So I think we can rule out the idea that she is playing for the “warm bucket of piss”
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:I thought it was fuckin’ stupid, and her explicatory comments were the dumbest things I’ve ever heard her say and completely out of line with her previous comments.
Goodo.
So I think we can rule out the idea that she is playing for the “warm bucket of piss”
Heh.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
What do you think of your girl Tulsi failing to actually vote for impeachment DV?
I thought it was fuckin’ stupid, and her explicatory comments were the dumbest things I’ve ever heard her say and completely out of line with her previous comments.
so … somebody is blackmailing her with porn
party_pants said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
What do you think of your girl Tulsi failing to actually vote for impeachment DV?
I thought it was fuckin’ stupid, and her explicatory comments were the dumbest things I’ve ever heard her say and completely out of line with her previous comments.
so … somebody is blackmailing her with porn
Doesn’t sound like Vlad Putin…
There was also this:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/19/politics/christianity-today-op-ed-trump-removal-office/index.html
(CNN)A leading Christian magazine founded by late evangelist Billy Graham — father of key presidential supporter Franklin Graham — published an op-ed on Thursday calling for President Donald Trump to be removed from office and urging evangelicals not to support him.
“Whether Mr. Trump should be removed from office by the Senate or by popular vote next election—that is a matter of prudential judgment,” Christianity Today’s editor in chief, Mark Galli, wrote in the op-ed. “That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments.”
Galli, who told CNN’s John Berman on Friday he is leaving the publication, continued, “We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see.”
“None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character,” he added.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/23/politics/christianity-today-mark-galli-trump-op-ed-trnd/index.html
Christianity Today says it saw a spike in subscriptions after it called for Trump’s removal
After it published an op-ed calling for President Donald Trump’s removal for office, Christianity Today says it’s seen a boost in readership.
Mark Galli, the editor-in-chief of the leading evangelical publication, made the remarks during an interview with the Rev. Al Sharpton on MSNBC on Sunday.
The editorial, he said, divided readers — but support outweighed criticism.
“Although we’ve lost hundreds of subscribers, we’ve gained three times as many subscribers,” he told Sharpton.
dv said:
There was also this:https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/19/politics/christianity-today-op-ed-trump-removal-office/index.html
(CNN)A leading Christian magazine founded by late evangelist Billy Graham — father of key presidential supporter Franklin Graham — published an op-ed on Thursday calling for President Donald Trump to be removed from office and urging evangelicals not to support him.
“Whether Mr. Trump should be removed from office by the Senate or by popular vote next election—that is a matter of prudential judgment,” Christianity Today’s editor in chief, Mark Galli, wrote in the op-ed. “That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments.”
Galli, who told CNN’s John Berman on Friday he is leaving the publication, continued, “We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see.”“None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character,” he added.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/23/politics/christianity-today-mark-galli-trump-op-ed-trnd/index.html
Christianity Today says it saw a spike in subscriptions after it called for Trump’s removal
After it published an op-ed calling for President Donald Trump’s removal for office, Christianity Today says it’s seen a boost in readership.
Mark Galli, the editor-in-chief of the leading evangelical publication, made the remarks during an interview with the Rev. Al Sharpton on MSNBC on Sunday.The editorial, he said, divided readers — but support outweighed criticism.
“Although we’ve lost hundreds of subscribers, we’ve gained three times as many subscribers,” he told Sharpton.
They should remove the Electoral College vote and replace it completely with the popular vote.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
There was also this:https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/19/politics/christianity-today-op-ed-trump-removal-office/index.html
(CNN)A leading Christian magazine founded by late evangelist Billy Graham — father of key presidential supporter Franklin Graham — published an op-ed on Thursday calling for President Donald Trump to be removed from office and urging evangelicals not to support him.
“Whether Mr. Trump should be removed from office by the Senate or by popular vote next election—that is a matter of prudential judgment,” Christianity Today’s editor in chief, Mark Galli, wrote in the op-ed. “That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments.”
Galli, who told CNN’s John Berman on Friday he is leaving the publication, continued, “We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see.”“None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character,” he added.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/23/politics/christianity-today-mark-galli-trump-op-ed-trnd/index.html
Christianity Today says it saw a spike in subscriptions after it called for Trump’s removal
After it published an op-ed calling for President Donald Trump’s removal for office, Christianity Today says it’s seen a boost in readership.
Mark Galli, the editor-in-chief of the leading evangelical publication, made the remarks during an interview with the Rev. Al Sharpton on MSNBC on Sunday.The editorial, he said, divided readers — but support outweighed criticism.
“Although we’ve lost hundreds of subscribers, we’ve gained three times as many subscribers,” he told Sharpton.
They should remove the Electoral College vote and replace it completely with the popular vote.
Why?
Behind the Ukraine Aid Freeze: 84 Days of Conflict and Confusion
The inside story of President Trump’s demand to halt military assistance to an ally shows the price he was willing to pay to carry out his agenda.
WASHINGTON — Deep into a long flight to Japan aboard Air Force One with President Trump, Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, dashed off an email to an aide back in Washington.
“I’m just trying to tie up some loose ends,” Mr. Mulvaney wrote. “Did we ever find out about the money for Ukraine and whether we can hold it back?”
It was June 27, more than a week after Mr. Trump had first asked about putting a hold on security aid to Ukraine, an embattled American ally, and Mr. Mulvaney needed an answer.
The aide, Robert B. Blair, replied that it would be possible, but not pretty. “Expect Congress to become unhinged” if the White House tried to countermand spending passed by the House and Senate, he wrote in a previously undisclosed email. And, he wrote, it might further fuel the narrative that Mr. Trump was pro-Russia.
Mr. Blair was right, even if his prediction of a messy outcome was wildly understated. Mr. Trump’s order to hold $391 million worth of sniper rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, night vision goggles, medical aid and other equipment the Ukrainian military needed to fight a grinding war against Russian-backed separatists would help pave a path to the president’s impeachment.
The Democratic-led inquiry into Mr. Trump’s dealings with Ukraine this spring and summer established that the president was actively involved in parallel efforts — both secretive and highly unusual — to bring pressure on a country he viewed with suspicion, if not disdain.
One campaign, spearheaded by Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, aimed to force Ukraine to conduct investigations that could help Mr. Trump politically, including one focused on a potential Democratic 2020 rival, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.
The other, which unfolded nearly simultaneously but has gotten less attention, was the president’s demand to withhold the security assistance. By late summer, the two efforts merged as American diplomats used the withheld aid as leverage in the effort to win a public commitment from the new Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to carry out the investigations Mr. Trump sought into Mr. Biden and unfounded or overblown theories about Ukraine interfering in the 2016 election.
What emerges is the story of how Mr. Trump’s demands sent shock waves through the White House and the Pentagon, created deep rifts within the senior ranks of his administration, left key aides like Mr. Mulvaney under intensifying scrutiny — and ended only after Mr. Trump learned of a damning whistle-blower report and came under pressure from influential Republican lawmakers.
In many ways, the havoc Mr. Giuliani and other Trump loyalists set off in the State Department by pursuing the investigations was matched by conflicts and confusion in the White House and Pentagon stemming from Mr. Trump’s order to withhold the aid.
Opposition to the order from his top national security advisers was more intense than previously known. In late August, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper joined Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and John R. Bolton, the national security adviser at the time, for a previously undisclosed Oval Office meeting with the president where they tried but failed to convince him that releasing the aid was in interests of the United States.
By late summer, top lawyers at the Office of Management and Budget who had spoken to lawyers at the White House and the Justice Department in the weeks beforehand, were developing an argument — not previously divulged publicly — that Mr. Trump’s role as commander in chief would simply allow him to override Congress on the issue.
Sen. Susan Collins of Maine became the second Republican senator to criticize Majority Leader Mitch McConnell for saying that he was in “total coordination” with the White House on the impeachment trial. Speaking with Maine Public Radio, Collins said that senators on both sides of the aisle were espousing “inappropriate” behavior and she specifically named McConnell and Sen. Elizabeth Warren.
“It is inappropriate, in my judgment, for senators on either side of the aisle to prejudge the evidence before they have heard what is presented to us, because the each of us will take an oath, an oath that I take very seriously to render impartial justice. That’s what it says, impartial justice,” Collins said. “And I have heard Democrats like Elizabeth Warren, saying that the President should be impeached, found guilty, and removed from office. I’ve heard the Senate majority leader saying that he’s taking his cues from the White House. There are senators on both sides of the aisle, who, to me, are not giving the appearance of and the reality of judging that’s in an impartial way.”
Earlier this month, Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska said she was “disturbed” by McConnell’s comments on how he was coordinating strategy with the White House. “When I heard that, I was disturbed,” Murkowski told KTUU last week. “We have to take that step back from being hand in glove with the defense, and so I heard what leader McConnell had said, I happened to think that that has further confused the process.”
Collins also said that she is “open” to calling witnesses in the trial, although she said it would be “premature to decide who should be called” until the evidence is presented. Democrats have stepped up their call for witnesses after a New York Times reportdetailing how Trump’s order to put a hold on Ukraine aid was handled within the White House. “Simply put: In our fight to have key documents and witnesses in a Senate impeachment trial, these new revelations are a game-changer,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said at a news conference on Monday. McConnell has said the trial should not include witnesses.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/susan-collins-second-gop-senator-criticize-mcconnell-impeachment-trial.html
Tau.Neutrino said:
Stephanie Grisham: Trump’s Press Secretary Who Doesn’t Meet the Press
Stephanie Grisham: Trump’s Press Secretary Who Doesn’t Meet the Press
A presidency in crisis, a nation on the brink of war — and a White House press secretary who was largely out of sight.
It’s not every day that the White House press secretary is offered $200,000 to appear on camera and explain the president’s decisions — any of them — to the public.
But as one of the most consequential weeks in President Trump’s tenure draws to a close, the world beyond the Beltway is beginning to notice that Stephanie Grisham — unlike her predecessors, colleagues and boss — does not appear to relish the talking-to-the-public part of her job.
more…
“Flood the zone with shit”: How misinformation overwhelmed our democracy
The impeachment trial probably won’t change any minds. Here’s why.v
more…
Tau.Neutrino said:
Donald Trump’s impeachment trial continues in the US Senate, live blog
If the impeachment actually gains any traction, I’ll sell my kidney. It’s probable that the Republicans will dismiss it all.
Divine Angel said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Donald Trump’s impeachment trial continues in the US Senate, live blog
If the impeachment actually gains any traction, I’ll sell my kidney. It’s probable that the Republicans will dismiss it all.
Possible outcomes: from the link
Appeasing their base of voters, who think the President really did do something wrong and want to see him held accountable. (They’ve been pushing for this since the summer.)
Painting Trump in a bad light ahead of the primary season / election
Protecting their legacy on the “right side of history,” or so they say.
Divine Angel said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Donald Trump’s impeachment trial continues in the US Senate, live blog
If the impeachment actually gains any traction, I’ll sell my kidney. It’s probable that the Republicans will dismiss it all.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Divine Angel said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Donald Trump’s impeachment trial continues in the US Senate, live blog
If the impeachment actually gains any traction, I’ll sell my kidney. It’s probable that the Republicans will dismiss it all.
Possible outcomes: from the link
Appeasing their base of voters, who think the President really did do something wrong and want to see him held accountable. (They’ve been pushing for this since the summer.)
Painting Trump in a bad light ahead of the primary season / election
Protecting their legacy on the “right side of history,” or so they say.
The question really is: are enough Republican senators tired enough of Trump to take a course which would make it difficult for him to achieve a second term?
They’re not going to sack him now, but they could put big obstacles in his way when it comes to re-election.
sarahs mum said:
Divine Angel said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Donald Trump’s impeachment trial continues in the US Senate, live blog
If the impeachment actually gains any traction, I’ll sell my kidney. It’s probable that the Republicans will dismiss it all.

Tau.Neutrino said:
Divine Angel said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Donald Trump’s impeachment trial continues in the US Senate, live blog
If the impeachment actually gains any traction, I’ll sell my kidney. It’s probable that the Republicans will dismiss it all.
Possible outcomes: from the link
Appeasing their base of voters, who think the President really did do something wrong and want to see him held accountable. (They’ve been pushing for this since the summer.)
Painting Trump in a bad light ahead of the primary season / election
Protecting their legacy on the “right side of history,” or so they say.
Trump locked up in Turkish prison and forced to bareshirt fight to survive day to day
Tau.Neutrino said:
Divine Angel said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Donald Trump’s impeachment trial continues in the US Senate, live blog
If the impeachment actually gains any traction, I’ll sell my kidney. It’s probable that the Republicans will dismiss it all.
Possible outcomes: from the link
Appeasing their base of voters, who think the President really did do something wrong and want to see him held accountable. (They’ve been pushing for this since the summer.)
Painting Trump in a bad light ahead of the primary season / election
Protecting their legacy on the “right side of history,” or so they say.
No, that’s what the democrats are hoping for. The chances of any of that actually happening are practically nil.
Just hearing Elvis Costello’s ‘Watching the Detectives’ on BBC Radio 2.
Lyrics that are almost like rap, but way ahead of that style and as clever as anything rappers have done.
captain_spalding said:
Just hearing Elvis Costello’s ‘Watching the Detectives’ on BBC Radio 2.Lyrics that are almost like rap, but way ahead of that style and as clever as anything rappers have done.
Wrong thread. oops.
What the People want is very different to Congress
What the people want
By a Narrow Margin, Americans Say Senate Trial Should Result in Trump’s Removal
We Asked 81 Americans About Impeachment. Here’s What They Had to Say. – The New York Times
What Republicans in Congress are doing
Why are Republicans in Congress sticking by Trump on impeachment?
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Divine Angel said:If the impeachment actually gains any traction, I’ll sell my kidney. It’s probable that the Republicans will dismiss it all.
Interesting notion.
Anyone reckon Mitch will get so angry he will have a heart attack in the senate chamber?
Bombshells pressure Republicans to allow witnesses
New revelations about the Ukraine scandal from former national security adviser John Bolton dealt a significant blow to President Donald Trump’s defense strategy, contradicting key elements of the case his attorneys presented to senators in his impeachment trial.
According to a bombshell report from The New York Times, Bolton wrote in a draft for his upcoming book that Trump explicitly said he was withholding nearly $400 million in US military assistance until Ukraine helped with investigations into his Democratic rivals. A source with direct knowledge told CNN that the Times’ article accurately described the draft manuscript.
Bolton was already considered a key witness to important events in the Ukraine scandal, and Democrats have pleaded with their Republican colleagues to buck the White House and support a subpoena for Bolton. Earlier this month, Bolton even said he’d be willing to testify if he received a subpoena.
The details from Bolton’s book create an immediate problem for Trump: They contradict what he and his legal team has been saying, including in arguments on the Senate floor just two days ago when one White House lawyer said there was “no evidence anywhere” of Trump endorsing the quid pro quo.
Here are three ways Bolton’s bombshells undermine Trump’s case against impeachment.
Quid pro quo confirmed, again
According to The New York Times, Trump told Bolton directly that he didn’t want any US aid flowing to Ukraine until Zelensky helped out with the investigations. Trump also used this rationale to rebuff nearly a dozen attempts by Bolton and others to unfreeze the aid package.
That account flies in the face of repeated denials from Trump and his lawyers. Trump has tweeted the phrase “no quid pro quo” more than a dozen times since the inquiry began.
From the beginning, Trump and his allies rejected the notion that he sought a “quid pro quo” with the Ukrainian government. They denied that Trump withheld meetings or foreign aid from Ukraine, and that he didn’t pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to do anything.
No policy reason for aid freeze
Bolton’s account makes it clear that the reason for freezing US assistance to Ukraine was rooted in Trump’s desire for Ukraine to announce the investigations into his political rivals, including former Vice President Joe Biden, a top Democrat vying for his party’s nomination this year.
But Trump’s lawyers maintained that he imposed the Ukraine freeze for legitimate policy reasons. A five-page section of their trial brief was labeled: “The Administration Paused Security Assistance Based on Policy Concerns and Released It After the Concerns Were Satisfied.”
Firsthand accounts of Trump
The details of Bolton’s manuscript cemented the reality that there are still witnesses who didn’t testify to the House but have firsthand knowledge of what happened inside the White House.
The House inquiry was a speedy process, perhaps propelled by Democratic fears that public support for impeachment would slip if they slowed things down and took a more methodical approach. House Democrats invited Bolton to voluntary testify, but they didn’t do anything after his lawyer announced he wouldn’t appear without a subpoena, and a lengthy court fight loomed.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/27/politics/bolton-undercuts-trump-defense/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-impeachment-trial-01-27-20/index.html
dv said:
Bombshells pressure Republicans to allow witnessesNew revelations about the Ukraine scandal from former national security adviser John Bolton dealt a significant blow to President Donald Trump’s defense strategy, contradicting key elements of the case his attorneys presented to senators in his impeachment trial.
According to a bombshell report from The New York Times, Bolton wrote in a draft for his upcoming book that Trump explicitly said he was withholding nearly $400 million in US military assistance until Ukraine helped with investigations into his Democratic rivals. A source with direct knowledge told CNN that the Times’ article accurately described the draft manuscript.
Bolton was already considered a key witness to important events in the Ukraine scandal, and Democrats have pleaded with their Republican colleagues to buck the White House and support a subpoena for Bolton. Earlier this month, Bolton even said he’d be willing to testify if he received a subpoena.
The details from Bolton’s book create an immediate problem for Trump: They contradict what he and his legal team has been saying, including in arguments on the Senate floor just two days ago when one White House lawyer said there was “no evidence anywhere” of Trump endorsing the quid pro quo.
Here are three ways Bolton’s bombshells undermine Trump’s case against impeachment.Quid pro quo confirmed, again
According to The New York Times, Trump told Bolton directly that he didn’t want any US aid flowing to Ukraine until Zelensky helped out with the investigations. Trump also used this rationale to rebuff nearly a dozen attempts by Bolton and others to unfreeze the aid package.
That account flies in the face of repeated denials from Trump and his lawyers. Trump has tweeted the phrase “no quid pro quo” more than a dozen times since the inquiry began.
From the beginning, Trump and his allies rejected the notion that he sought a “quid pro quo” with the Ukrainian government. They denied that Trump withheld meetings or foreign aid from Ukraine, and that he didn’t pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to do anything.No policy reason for aid freeze
Bolton’s account makes it clear that the reason for freezing US assistance to Ukraine was rooted in Trump’s desire for Ukraine to announce the investigations into his political rivals, including former Vice President Joe Biden, a top Democrat vying for his party’s nomination this year.
But Trump’s lawyers maintained that he imposed the Ukraine freeze for legitimate policy reasons. A five-page section of their trial brief was labeled: “The Administration Paused Security Assistance Based on Policy Concerns and Released It After the Concerns Were Satisfied.”Firsthand accounts of Trump
The details of Bolton’s manuscript cemented the reality that there are still witnesses who didn’t testify to the House but have firsthand knowledge of what happened inside the White House.
The House inquiry was a speedy process, perhaps propelled by Democratic fears that public support for impeachment would slip if they slowed things down and took a more methodical approach. House Democrats invited Bolton to voluntary testify, but they didn’t do anything after his lawyer announced he wouldn’t appear without a subpoena, and a lengthy court fight loomed.https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/27/politics/bolton-undercuts-trump-defense/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-impeachment-trial-01-27-20/index.html
It’s been a rough couple of days for the
Trump teams, apart from the Bolton bombshells.
Trump has repeatedly denied knowing Lev Parnas or even being aware of him, but recordings have emerged of Trump instructing Parnas and others to “get rid of” anticorruption advocate Ambassador Yovanovitch.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/25/trump-yovanovitch-video/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/politics/john-bolton-trump-book-barr.html
Bolton Was Concerned That Trump Did Favors for Autocratic Leaders, Book Says
The former national security adviser shared his unease with the attorney general, who cited his own worries about the president’s conversations with the leaders of Turkey and China.
WASHINGTON — John R. Bolton, the former national security adviser, privately told Attorney General William P. Barr last year that he had concerns that President Trump was effectively granting personal favors to the autocratic leaders of Turkey and China, according to an unpublished manuscript by Mr. Bolton.
Mr. Barr responded by pointing to a pair of Justice Department investigations of companies in those countries and said he was worried that Mr. Trump had created the appearance that he had undue influence over what would typically be independent inquiries, according to the manuscript. Backing up his point, Mr. Barr mentioned conversations Mr. Trump had with the leaders, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey and President Xi Jinping of China.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pompeo-privately-admitted-giuliani-claims-about-ukraine-ambassador-were-phony-bolton-book
Pompeo privately admitted Giuliani claims about Ukraine ambassador were phony
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo doubted Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani’s claims that former United States Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch was corrupt, according to a draft of former national security adviser John Bolton’s book.
Drafts of Bolton’s unpublished book said Pompeo privately admitted to him last spring that Giuliani may have been pushing baseless accusations about Yovanovitch because she may have been cracking down on Giuliani’s clients with dealings in Ukraine as part of an anti-corruption effort, according to the New York Times.
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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo lost his temper at an NPR reporter, Mary Louise Kelly, who asked him about his failure to support US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch .
In what began as a terse but polite exchange, Pompeo stated, “I have defended every State Department official. We’ve built a great team. The team that works here is doing amazing work around the world.”
Kelly replied, “Sir, respectfully, where have you defended Marie Yovanovitch?” to which Pompeo responded, “I’ve defended every single person on this team. I’ve done what’s right for every single person on the team.”
Kelly pressed Pompeo, “Can you point me towards your remarks, where you have defended Marie Yovanovitch,” after which Pompeo concluded the interview.
Kelly said that moments later, “That same staffer who stopped the interview reappeared, asked me to come with her — just me, no recorder — though she did not say we were off the record, nor would I have agreed.”
Kelly was brought to Pompeo’s private living room, she continued, “where he was waiting and where he shouted at me for about (the) same amount of time as the interview itself had lasted.”
Pompeo was displeased about the Ukraine questioning, and asked her, “Do you think Americans care about Ukraine?” Kelly said, adding that “he used the F-word in that sentence and many others.”
Pompeo then asked Kelly if she could find Ukraine on a map, she recounted, and when she said that she could, “He called out for aides to bring us a map of the world with no writing.”
“I pointed to Ukraine. He put the map away. He said, ‘People will hear about this,’” Kelly said. “And then he turned, said he had things to do and I thanked him again for his time and left.”
How many hours have been wasted by Trumps Impeachment and his misinformation campaign?
The US is running a very inefficient government.
then the money it has cost…
dv said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/politics/john-bolton-trump-book-barr.htmlBolton Was Concerned That Trump Did Favors for Autocratic Leaders, Book Says
The former national security adviser shared his unease with the attorney general, who cited his own worries about the president’s conversations with the leaders of Turkey and China.WASHINGTON — John R. Bolton, the former national security adviser, privately told Attorney General William P. Barr last year that he had concerns that President Trump was effectively granting personal favors to the autocratic leaders of Turkey and China, according to an unpublished manuscript by Mr. Bolton.
Mr. Barr responded by pointing to a pair of Justice Department investigations of companies in those countries and said he was worried that Mr. Trump had created the appearance that he had undue influence over what would typically be independent inquiries, according to the manuscript. Backing up his point, Mr. Barr mentioned conversations Mr. Trump had with the leaders, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey and President Xi Jinping of China.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pompeo-privately-admitted-giuliani-claims-about-ukraine-ambassador-were-phony-bolton-book
Pompeo privately admitted Giuliani claims about Ukraine ambassador were phony
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo doubted Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani’s claims that former United States Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch was corrupt, according to a draft of former national security adviser John Bolton’s book.Drafts of Bolton’s unpublished book said Pompeo privately admitted to him last spring that Giuliani may have been pushing baseless accusations about Yovanovitch because she may have been cracking down on Giuliani’s clients with dealings in Ukraine as part of an anti-corruption effort, according to the New York Times.
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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo lost his temper at an NPR reporter, Mary Louise Kelly, who asked him about his failure to support US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch .
In what began as a terse but polite exchange, Pompeo stated, “I have defended every State Department official. We’ve built a great team. The team that works here is doing amazing work around the world.”
Kelly replied, “Sir, respectfully, where have you defended Marie Yovanovitch?” to which Pompeo responded, “I’ve defended every single person on this team. I’ve done what’s right for every single person on the team.”
Kelly pressed Pompeo, “Can you point me towards your remarks, where you have defended Marie Yovanovitch,” after which Pompeo concluded the interview.Kelly said that moments later, “That same staffer who stopped the interview reappeared, asked me to come with her — just me, no recorder — though she did not say we were off the record, nor would I have agreed.”
Kelly was brought to Pompeo’s private living room, she continued, “where he was waiting and where he shouted at me for about (the) same amount of time as the interview itself had lasted.”
Pompeo was displeased about the Ukraine questioning, and asked her, “Do you think Americans care about Ukraine?” Kelly said, adding that “he used the F-word in that sentence and many others.”
Pompeo then asked Kelly if she could find Ukraine on a map, she recounted, and when she said that she could, “He called out for aides to bring us a map of the world with no writing.”
“I pointed to Ukraine. He put the map away. He said, ‘People will hear about this,’” Kelly said. “And then he turned, said he had things to do and I thanked him again for his time and left.”
So one of the only people who knew where the Ukraine was. What bad luck. Was worth a roll.
Washington (CNN)The White House has issued a formal threat to former national security adviser John Bolton to keep him from publishing his book, “The Room Where It Happened: A White House Memoir,” sources familiar with the matter tell CNN.
In a letter to Bolton’s lawyer, a top official at the National Security Council wrote the unpublished manuscript of Bolton’s book“appears to contain significant amounts of classified information” and couldn’t be published as written.
The letter, which is dated January 23, said some of the information was classified at the “top secret” level, meaning it “reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave harm to the national security.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/29/politics/donald-trump-john-bolton-white-house-book/index.html
dv said:
Washington (CNN)The White House has issued a formal threat to former national security adviser John Bolton to keep him from publishing his book, “The Room Where It Happened: A White House Memoir,” sources familiar with the matter tell CNN.In a letter to Bolton’s lawyer, a top official at the National Security Council wrote the unpublished manuscript of Bolton’s book“appears to contain significant amounts of classified information” and couldn’t be published as written.
The letter, which is dated January 23, said some of the information was classified at the “top secret” level, meaning it “reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave harm to the national security.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/29/politics/donald-trump-john-bolton-white-house-book/index.html
Someone feels threatened.
buffy said:
dv said:
Washington (CNN)The White House has issued a formal threat to former national security adviser John Bolton to keep him from publishing his book, “The Room Where It Happened: A White House Memoir,” sources familiar with the matter tell CNN.In a letter to Bolton’s lawyer, a top official at the National Security Council wrote the unpublished manuscript of Bolton’s book“appears to contain significant amounts of classified information” and couldn’t be published as written.
The letter, which is dated January 23, said some of the information was classified at the “top secret” level, meaning it “reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave harm to the national security.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/29/politics/donald-trump-john-bolton-white-house-book/index.html
Someone feels threatened.
He tried something a bit similar when Robert Mueller was appointed special counsel to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 US election.
Mueller had been a member of a golf club owned by Trump, and when he moved to Washington, he tried to get some of his membership fee refunded.
In Trump’s mind, this qualified as a ‘conflict of interest’, and Trump repeatedly insisted (for a lengthy period) that his aides should work to get Mueller sacked because of that ‘conflict’.
Washington Post:
‘Trump’s impeachment team argues that anything he does to win reelection isn’t impeachable.
It’s the Trumpiest possible argument in his defense.’
The argument is that because Trump thinks he’s a great President, he believes that it’s in the national interest for him to be re-elected, so that anything he does to further his chances of re-election i in the national interest, and therefore not an impeachable offence.
Sound familiar?
Frost: So, what in a sense you’re saying is that there are certain situations…where the president can decide that it’s in the best interest of the nation or something and do something illegal.
Nixon: Well, when the president does it … that means that it is not illegal.
captain_spalding said:
Washington Post:‘Trump’s impeachment team argues that anything he does to win reelection isn’t impeachable.
It’s the Trumpiest possible argument in his defense.’
The argument is that because Trump thinks he’s a great President, he believes that it’s in the national interest for him to be re-elected, so that anything he does to further his chances of re-election i in the national interest, and therefore not an impeachable offence.
Sound familiar?
Frost: So, what in a sense you’re saying is that there are certain situations…where the president can decide that it’s in the best interest of the nation or something and do something illegal.
Nixon: Well, when the president does it … that means that it is not illegal.
I thought maybe this was a mischaracterization but yep, here’s what Trump’s lawyer Alan Dershowitz said in the Senate:
“Every public official that I know believes that his election is in the public interest, and mostly you’re right. Your election is in the public interest, and if a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment. Every president believes that. That’s why it’s so dangerous to try to psychoanalyze a president, to try to get into the intricacies of the human mind.”
Fuck me sideways…
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Washington Post:‘Trump’s impeachment team argues that anything he does to win reelection isn’t impeachable.
It’s the Trumpiest possible argument in his defense.’
The argument is that because Trump thinks he’s a great President, he believes that it’s in the national interest for him to be re-elected, so that anything he does to further his chances of re-election i in the national interest, and therefore not an impeachable offence.
Sound familiar?
Frost: So, what in a sense you’re saying is that there are certain situations…where the president can decide that it’s in the best interest of the nation or something and do something illegal.
Nixon: Well, when the president does it … that means that it is not illegal.
I thought maybe this was a mischaracterization but yep, here’s what Trump’s lawyer Alan Dershowitz said in the Senate:
“Every public official that I know believes that his election is in the public interest, and mostly you’re right. Your election is in the public interest, and if a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment. Every president believes that. That’s why it’s so dangerous to try to psychoanalyze a president, to try to get into the intricacies of the human mind.”Fuck me sideways…
Does that include military action not sanctioned by the UN
The Senate vote to allow witnesses to testify in Trump’s trial has been defeated 49-51.
Republican Senators Mitt Romney and Susan Collins voted to allow witnesses but otherwise it went strictly on party lines.
Senator Majority leader Mitch McConnell has indicated he will end the trial swiftly.
dv said:
The Senate vote to allow witnesses to testify in Trump’s trial has been defeated 49-51.Republican Senators Mitt Romney and Susan Collins voted to allow witnesses but otherwise it went strictly on party lines.
Senator Majority leader Mitch McConnell has indicated he will end the trial swiftly.
Fuckin’ bullshit that is.
dv said:
The Senate vote to allow witnesses to testify in Trump’s trial has been defeated 49-51.Republican Senators Mitt Romney and Susan Collins voted to allow witnesses but otherwise it went strictly on party lines.
Senator Majority leader Mitch McConnell has indicated he will end the trial swiftly.
Well, if the Senate votes to acquit Trump, as they almost certainly will (Trump’s squawking about it will be dreadful, but his short attention span means it will pass quickly), then he’ll go back to doing utterly stupid things, and as the election gets closer, he’ll do much more obviously stupid things out of anxiety and desperation.
It’s going to be a wild ride to the election, but the best candidate to botch Trump’s chances of re-election is Trump himself.
dv said:
The Senate vote to allow witnesses to testify in Trump’s trial has been defeated 49-51.Republican Senators Mitt Romney and Susan Collins voted to allow witnesses but otherwise it went strictly on party lines.
Senator Majority leader Mitch McConnell has indicated he will end the trial swiftly.
Well we should know if he is guilty or not fairly soon then.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
The Senate vote to allow witnesses to testify in Trump’s trial has been defeated 49-51.Republican Senators Mitt Romney and Susan Collins voted to allow witnesses but otherwise it went strictly on party lines.
Senator Majority leader Mitch McConnell has indicated he will end the trial swiftly.
Fuckin’ bullshit that is.
Did anyone, anywhere expect this to go down any differently?
captain_spalding said:
It’s going to be a wild ride to the election, but the best candidate to botch Trump’s chances of re-election is Trump himself.
Yeah, just like in the 2016 election. He was his own worst enemy.
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:It’s going to be a wild ride to the election, but the best candidate to botch Trump’s chances of re-election is Trump himself.
Yeah, just like in the 2016 election. He was his own worst enemy.
For about 1/2 a second there I thought you were suggesting that in the 2016 election he was his own worst enemy.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:It’s going to be a wild ride to the election, but the best candidate to botch Trump’s chances of re-election is Trump himself.
Yeah, just like in the 2016 election. He was his own worst enemy.
For about 1/2 a second there I thought you were suggesting that in the 2016 election he was his own worst enemy.
There may have been a hint of sarcasm in the post.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
The Senate vote to allow witnesses to testify in Trump’s trial has been defeated 49-51.Republican Senators Mitt Romney and Susan Collins voted to allow witnesses but otherwise it went strictly on party lines.
Senator Majority leader Mitch McConnell has indicated he will end the trial swiftly.
Fuckin’ bullshit that is.
Did anyone, anywhere expect this to go down any differently?
Not calling willing witnesses is a travesty IMO. I expected an aquital but the behaviour of the Republicans is deplorable. I can’t wait to see what shameful presidential conduct will become the norm from now on. Oh well. Not my country so they GAGF.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
The Senate vote to allow witnesses to testify in Trump’s trial has been defeated 49-51.Republican Senators Mitt Romney and Susan Collins voted to allow witnesses but otherwise it went strictly on party lines.
Senator Majority leader Mitch McConnell has indicated he will end the trial swiftly.
Fuckin’ bullshit that is.
Did anyone, anywhere expect this to go down any differently?
As far as I see it all the Republicans are now tarred with guilt.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Fuckin’ bullshit that is.
Did anyone, anywhere expect this to go down any differently?
Not calling willing witnesses is a travesty IMO. I expected an aquital but the behaviour of the Republicans is deplorable. I can’t wait to see what shameful presidential conduct will become the norm from now on. Oh well. Not my country so they GAGF.
It’s outrageous. I’m absolutely appalled. The Minister should resign.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Fuckin’ bullshit that is.
Did anyone, anywhere expect this to go down any differently?
As far as I see it all the Republicans are now tarred with guilt.
…. but you are not a Donald Trump supporter. Never were, and never will be.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Fuckin’ bullshit that is.
Did anyone, anywhere expect this to go down any differently?
Not calling willing witnesses is a travesty IMO. I expected an aquital but the behaviour of the Republicans is deplorable. I can’t wait to see what shameful presidential conduct will become the norm from now on. Oh well. Not my country so they GAGF.
Shitty stuff is happening here.
I watched lots of interviews with people who had escaped the fundamentalist mormons last night. I couldn’t help but feel that we are being run by some such group of old lecherous men and unprincipled manipulative women who have a completely different agenda than the one we are asked to believe.
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:Did anyone, anywhere expect this to go down any differently?
Not calling willing witnesses is a travesty IMO. I expected an aquital but the behaviour of the Republicans is deplorable. I can’t wait to see what shameful presidential conduct will become the norm from now on. Oh well. Not my country so they GAGF.
Shitty stuff is happening here.
I watched lots of interviews with people who had escaped the fundamentalist mormons last night. I couldn’t help but feel that we are being run by some such group of old lecherous men and unprincipled manipulative women who have a completely different agenda than the one we are asked to believe.
so it’s true, there is a deep state ¿
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:Did anyone, anywhere expect this to go down any differently?
Not calling willing witnesses is a travesty IMO. I expected an aquital but the behaviour of the Republicans is deplorable. I can’t wait to see what shameful presidential conduct will become the norm from now on. Oh well. Not my country so they GAGF.
Shitty stuff is happening here.
I watched lots of interviews with people who had escaped the fundamentalist mormons last night. I couldn’t help but feel that we are being run by some such group of old lecherous men and unprincipled manipulative women who have a completely different agenda than the one we are asked to believe.
There’s a word for that: politics.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The Senate vote to allow witnesses to testify in Trump’s trial has been defeated 49-51.Republican Senators Mitt Romney and Susan Collins voted to allow witnesses but otherwise it went strictly on party lines.
Senator Majority leader Mitch McConnell has indicated he will end the trial swiftly.
Well we should know if he is guilty or not fairly soon then.
Phew! The suspense has been killing me.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
The Senate vote to allow witnesses to testify in Trump’s trial has been defeated 49-51.Republican Senators Mitt Romney and Susan Collins voted to allow witnesses but otherwise it went strictly on party lines.
Senator Majority leader Mitch McConnell has indicated he will end the trial swiftly.
Fuckin’ bullshit that is.
Did anyone, anywhere expect this to go down any differently?
There was some hope that it would get to 50-50, in which case Justice Roberts would make the decision, as Senator Lisa Murkowski was asking some sharp questions of the Trump legal team, but in the end she voted nay.
dv said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Fuckin’ bullshit that is.
Did anyone, anywhere expect this to go down any differently?
There was some hope that it would get to 50-50, in which case Justice Roberts would make the decision, as Senator Lisa Murkowski was asking some sharp questions of the Trump legal team, but in the end she voted nay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7exZB1GJh8
Let’s talk about Ex-Marines and the impeachment….
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
sibeen said:Did anyone, anywhere expect this to go down any differently?
There was some hope that it would get to 50-50, in which case Justice Roberts would make the decision, as Senator Lisa Murkowski was asking some sharp questions of the Trump legal team, but in the end she voted nay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7exZB1GJh8
Let’s talk about Ex-Marines and the impeachment….
He’s on the money. When he said ‘they don’t even like you.’ Yeah. I have been saying that.
So it’s just Joe standing in the way of another 4 years of Thrump.
He’s the steady responsible one in the Dems.
But who knows what the Dems will do.
They’ve had four years to nail the worst president in US history and what have they got to show for it, nothing except severe gunshot wounds to their feet.
President Donald Trump rescinded restrictions on the US military’s ability to use landmines, weapons that have been banned by more than 160 countries due to their history of killing and wounding civilians, the White House said Friday.
“The President has canceled the Obama administration’s policy to prohibit United States military forces from employing anti-personnel landmines outside of the Korean Peninsula,” White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in a statement.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/trump-landmines-loosened/index.html
That one is just beyond comment.
dv said:
President Donald Trump rescinded restrictions on the US military’s ability to use landmines, weapons that have been banned by more than 160 countries due to their history of killing and wounding civilians, the White House said Friday.“The President has canceled the Obama administration’s policy to prohibit United States military forces from employing anti-personnel landmines outside of the Korean Peninsula,” White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in a statement.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/trump-landmines-loosened/index.html
Dear-oh-dear.
dv said:
President Donald Trump rescinded restrictions on the US military’s ability to use landmines, weapons that have been banned by more than 160 countries due to their history of killing and wounding civilians, the White House said Friday.“The President has canceled the Obama administration’s policy to prohibit United States military forces from employing anti-personnel landmines outside of the Korean Peninsula,” White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in a statement.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/trump-landmines-loosened/index.html
Yay for dragging civilisation backwards!
Michael V said:
dv said:
President Donald Trump rescinded restrictions on the US military’s ability to use landmines, weapons that have been banned by more than 160 countries due to their history of killing and wounding civilians, the White House said Friday.“The President has canceled the Obama administration’s policy to prohibit United States military forces from employing anti-personnel landmines outside of the Korean Peninsula,” White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in a statement.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/trump-landmines-loosened/index.html
Dear-oh-dear.
Meh, they were always going to use them, there is a reason they refused to join the big international ban.
AwesomeO said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
President Donald Trump rescinded restrictions on the US military’s ability to use landmines, weapons that have been banned by more than 160 countries due to their history of killing and wounding civilians, the White House said Friday.“The President has canceled the Obama administration’s policy to prohibit United States military forces from employing anti-personnel landmines outside of the Korean Peninsula,” White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in a statement.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/trump-landmines-loosened/index.html
Dear-oh-dear.
Meh, they were always going to use them, there is a reason they refused to join the big international ban.
Yep. Letting them be used on the Korean peninsula always gave them an excuse to “need” them elsewhere.
It’s been interesting to see the justifications given by moderate Republican Senators who voted against allowing witnesses to testify in the trial.
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Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee concedes that President is guilty of what he’s accused of, that he’s already heard enough evidence, but that he doesn’t think the conduct, while “inappropriate” and “wrong”, rises of the level requiring removal from office, so prolonging the trial is pointless. He also opined that removing Trump was something that country would not accept, and that it would “pour gasoline on cultural fires” in a divided nation.
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/31/801589634/sen-alexander-explains-decision-not-to-call-witnesses-in-trump-impeachment-trial
Sen. Alexander Explains Decision Not To Call Witnesses In Trump Impeachment Trial
“I don’t need to hear any more evidence to decide that the president did what he’s charged with doing,” Alexander told NPR’s Steve Inskeep on Friday. “So if you’ve got eight witnesses saying that you left the scene of an accident, you don’t need nine.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/alexander-impeachment-witnesses.html
Alexander Says Convicting Trump Would ‘Pour Gasoline on Cultural Fires’
Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee, explained why he would cast a pivotal vote against having witnesses at President Trump’s impeachment trial, ensuring a quick acquittal.
“For the Senate to tear up the ballots in this election and say President Trump couldn’t be on it, the country probably wouldn’t accept that.”
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Senator Marco Rubio’s defence was a bit more … weird.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/marco-rubio-donald-trump-senate-impeachment-trial/index.html
“Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. … I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation.”
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Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska said:
“I have come to the conclusion that there will be no fair trial in the Senate. I don’t believe the continuation of this process will change anything. It is sad for me to admit that, as an institution, the Congress has failed.”
(shrugs) She’s a juror in a trial, and chose not to hear from witnesses. To my mind it is a bit weak to say “there will be no fair trial in the Senate” as a reason to contribute to the lack of fairness.
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The accusations were quite grave, and to decide that the Senate should not remove the President from office, even though you regard him as guilty (as Lamar Alexander does), is a somewhat unprecedented argument.
But if they really are opposed to the Senate’s consitutionally mandated oversight of the Presidency, in favour of allowing justice at the ballot, then the obvious question is: will these Senators in fact be voting for this President in November? Will they campaign for him?
The only possible signal that Trump can receive from all this is that he really is above the law.
dv said:
It’s been interesting to see the justifications given by moderate Republican Senators who voted against allowing witnesses to testify in the trial.—-
Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee concedes that President is guilty of what he’s accused of, that he’s already heard enough evidence, but that he doesn’t think the conduct, while “inappropriate” and “wrong”, rises of the level requiring removal from office, so prolonging the trial is pointless. He also opined that removing Trump was something that country would not accept, and that it would “pour gasoline on cultural fires” in a divided nation.
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/31/801589634/sen-alexander-explains-decision-not-to-call-witnesses-in-trump-impeachment-trial
Sen. Alexander Explains Decision Not To Call Witnesses In Trump Impeachment Trial
“I don’t need to hear any more evidence to decide that the president did what he’s charged with doing,” Alexander told NPR’s Steve Inskeep on Friday. “So if you’ve got eight witnesses saying that you left the scene of an accident, you don’t need nine.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/alexander-impeachment-witnesses.html
Alexander Says Convicting Trump Would ‘Pour Gasoline on Cultural Fires’
Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee, explained why he would cast a pivotal vote against having witnesses at President Trump’s impeachment trial, ensuring a quick acquittal.
“For the Senate to tear up the ballots in this election and say President Trump couldn’t be on it, the country probably wouldn’t accept that.”—-
Senator Marco Rubio’s defence was a bit more … weird.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/marco-rubio-donald-trump-senate-impeachment-trial/index.html
“Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. … I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation.”—-
Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska said:
“I have come to the conclusion that there will be no fair trial in the Senate. I don’t believe the continuation of this process will change anything. It is sad for me to admit that, as an institution, the Congress has failed.”
(shrugs) She’s a juror in a trial, and chose not to hear from witnesses. To my mind it is a bit weak to say “there will be no fair trial in the Senate” as a reason to contribute to the lack of fairness.
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The accusations were quite grave, and to decide that the Senate should not remove the President from office, even though you regard him as guilty (as Lamar Alexander does), is a somewhat unprecedented argument.
But if they really are opposed to the Senate’s consitutionally mandated oversight of the Presidency, in favour of allowing justice at the ballot, then the obvious question is: will these Senators in fact be voting for this President in November? Will they campaign for him?The only possible signal that Trump can receive from all this is that he really is above the law.
Speaking of American politics, Planet America’s Fireside Chat
Sunday 2nd February at 6:15 pm (45 minutes) about to start.
Hooly McDooly!
Look at Wednesday!
Woodie said:
Hooly McDooly!Look at Wednesday!
Better clean the spiders out of your wellington boots.
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
Hooly McDooly!Look at Wednesday!
Better clean the spiders out of your wellington boots.
And make sure the dinghy hasn’t rusted out.
At the halfway mark of President Donald Trump’s first term, his administration has hired a lobbyist for every 14 political appointments made, welcoming a total of 281 lobbyists on board, a ProPublica and Columbia Journalism Investigations analysis shows.
With a combination of weakened rules and loose enforcement easing the transition to government and back to K Street, Trump’s swamp is anything but drained. The number of lobbyists who have served in government jobs is four times more than the Obama administration had six years into office. And former lobbyists serving Trump are often involved in regulating the industries they worked for.
Even government watchdogs who’ve long monitored the revolving door say that its current scale is a major shift from previous administrations. It’s a “staggering figure,” according to Virginia Canter, ethics chief counsel for the D.C.-based legal nonprofit Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. “It suggests that lobbyists see themselves as more effective in furthering their clients’ special interests from inside the government rather than from outside.”
https://www.propublica.org/article/we-found-a-staggering-281-lobbyists-whove-worked-in-the-trump-administration
Washington (CNN)The Department of Justice revealed in a court filing late Friday that it has two dozen emails related to President Donald Trump’s involvement in the withholding of millions in security assistance to Ukraine — a disclosure that came just hours after the Senate voted against subpoenaing additional documents and witnesses in Trump’s impeachment trial, paving the way for his acquittal.
The filing, released near midnight Friday, marks the first official acknowledgment from the Trump administration that emails about the President’s thinking related to the aid exist, and that he was directly involved in asking about and deciding on the aid as early as June. The administration is still blocking those emails from the public and has successfully kept them from Congress.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/01/politics/trump-ukraine-aid-emails-omb-justice-department/index.html
dv said:
Washington (CNN)The Department of Justice revealed in a court filing late Friday that it has two dozen emails related to President Donald Trump’s involvement in the withholding of millions in security assistance to Ukraine — a disclosure that came just hours after the Senate voted against subpoenaing additional documents and witnesses in Trump’s impeachment trial, paving the way for his acquittal.The filing, released near midnight Friday, marks the first official acknowledgment from the Trump administration that emails about the President’s thinking related to the aid exist, and that he was directly involved in asking about and deciding on the aid as early as June. The administration is still blocking those emails from the public and has successfully kept them from Congress.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/01/politics/trump-ukraine-aid-emails-omb-justice-department/index.html
Where’s Assange when we need him?
Oh, wait… We know that.
From the Dept of this isn’t really important in the scheme of things but fkn lol.
(The Kansas City Chiefs are based in Kansas City, which is the largest city in the State of Missouri.)
Yet another example that he does not know what he is uttering.
dv said:
From the Dept of this isn’t really important in the scheme of things but fkn lol.(The Kansas City Chiefs are based in Kansas City, which is the largest city in the State of Missouri.)
Sings:
“Everything’s up to date in Kansas City,
They’ve gone about as fur as they can go.
They’ve gone and built a skyscraper, seven stories high
And that’s about as high as a building oughta go.”
dv said:
From the Dept of this isn’t really important in the scheme of things but fkn lol.(The Kansas City Chiefs are based in Kansas City, which is the largest city in the State of Missouri.)
I mean ther is a Kansa city in Kansas too. Afaicr they border each other. But I don’t know where the chiefs actually are based.
Michael V said:
dv said:
From the Dept of this isn’t really important in the scheme of things but fkn lol.(The Kansas City Chiefs are based in Kansas City, which is the largest city in the State of Missouri.)
Sings:
“Everything’s up to date in Kansas City,
They’ve gone about as fur as they can go.
They’ve gone and built a skyscraper, seven stories high
And that’s about as high as a building oughta go.”
Somebody in Kansas City loves me
Somebody is waiting by the telephone
Somebody in Kansas City loves me
Somebody is waiting too all alone
Arts said:
dv said:
From the Dept of this isn’t really important in the scheme of things but fkn lol.(The Kansas City Chiefs are based in Kansas City, which is the largest city in the State of Missouri.)
I mean ther is a Kansa city in Kansas too. Afaicr they border each other. But I don’t know where the chiefs actually are based.
Sure you do. Just check my previous post.
Arts said:
dv said:
From the Dept of this isn’t really important in the scheme of things but fkn lol.(The Kansas City Chiefs are based in Kansas City, which is the largest city in the State of Missouri.)
I mean ther is a Kansa city in Kansas too. Afaicr they border each other. But I don’t know where the chiefs actually are based.
Google tells me that they are from KCMO and that trump has deleted his tweet.
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:
From the Dept of this isn’t really important in the scheme of things but fkn lol.(The Kansas City Chiefs are based in Kansas City, which is the largest city in the State of Missouri.)
I mean ther is a Kansa city in Kansas too. Afaicr they border each other. But I don’t know where the chiefs actually are based.
Sure you do. Just check my previous post.
Yeah I just read the tweet.
Arts said:
dv said:
From the Dept of this isn’t really important in the scheme of things but fkn lol.(The Kansas City Chiefs are based in Kansas City, which is the largest city in the State of Missouri.)
I mean ther is a Kansa city in Kansas too. Afaicr they border each other. But I don’t know where the chiefs actually are based.
Arrowhead Stadium is an American football stadium in Kansas City, Missouri, United States. It primarily serves as the home venue of the Kansas City Chiefs of the National Football League.
dv said:
From the Dept of this isn’t really important in the scheme of things but fkn lol.(The Kansas City Chiefs are based in Kansas City, which is the largest city in the State of Missouri.)
It kind of implies that San Francisco 49ers are no loger representative of the USA… because they lost a game of football.
Mitt Romney, Republican Senator for Utah, will vote to convict Donald Trump.
Romney said Trump is “guilty of an appalling abuse of public trust.”
He said what Trump did “was a flagrant assault on our electoral rights, our national security, and our fundamental values.”
Romney added: “Corrupting an election to keep oneself in office is perhaps the most abusive and destructive violation of one’s oath of office that I can imagine.”
Romney is the first senator in US history to vote to convict a President of his own party.
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Another moderate Republican senator, Susan Collins, has said she will acquit, saying that while what Trump did was inappropriate he has “learned his lesson”.
I kind of think he probably has not…
So unless there are further surprises, the final tally will be 48-52.
dv said:
Mitt Romney, Republican Senator for Utah, will vote to convict Donald Trump.Romney said Trump is “guilty of an appalling abuse of public trust.”
He said what Trump did “was a flagrant assault on our electoral rights, our national security, and our fundamental values.”
Romney added: “Corrupting an election to keep oneself in office is perhaps the most abusive and destructive violation of one’s oath of office that I can imagine.”
Romney is the first senator in US history to vote to convict a President of his own party.
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Another moderate Republican senator, Susan Collins, has said she will acquit, saying that while what Trump did was inappropriate he has “learned his lesson”.
I kind of think he probably has not…
So unless there are further surprises, the final tally will be 48-52.
That is actually closer than I thought it would be.
buffy said:
dv said:
Mitt Romney, Republican Senator for Utah, will vote to convict Donald Trump.Romney said Trump is “guilty of an appalling abuse of public trust.”
He said what Trump did “was a flagrant assault on our electoral rights, our national security, and our fundamental values.”
Romney added: “Corrupting an election to keep oneself in office is perhaps the most abusive and destructive violation of one’s oath of office that I can imagine.”
Romney is the first senator in US history to vote to convict a President of his own party.
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Another moderate Republican senator, Susan Collins, has said she will acquit, saying that while what Trump did was inappropriate he has “learned his lesson”.
I kind of think he probably has not…
So unless there are further surprises, the final tally will be 48-52.
That is actually closer than I thought it would be.
They are a long way short of the 66 they need (two thirds majority I think) to impeach.
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:
dv said:
Mitt Romney, Republican Senator for Utah, will vote to convict Donald Trump.Romney said Trump is “guilty of an appalling abuse of public trust.”
He said what Trump did “was a flagrant assault on our electoral rights, our national security, and our fundamental values.”
Romney added: “Corrupting an election to keep oneself in office is perhaps the most abusive and destructive violation of one’s oath of office that I can imagine.”
Romney is the first senator in US history to vote to convict a President of his own party.
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Another moderate Republican senator, Susan Collins, has said she will acquit, saying that while what Trump did was inappropriate he has “learned his lesson”.
I kind of think he probably has not…
So unless there are further surprises, the final tally will be 48-52.
That is actually closer than I thought it would be.
They are a long way short of the 66 they need (two thirds majority I think) to impeach.
It was always going to be thus I guess. He’s so unpredictable and has so many people scared of what he might do to them.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-06/donald-trump-senate-impeachment-trial-live-results/11934038
Acquitted.
Cue the gloating.
Divine Angel said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-06/donald-trump-senate-impeachment-trial-live-results/11934038Acquitted.
Cue the gloating.
come now, he’s too adult for that.
Mini Me is more adult than Trump.
dv said:
Mitt Romney, Republican Senator for Utah, will vote to convict Donald Trump.Romney said Trump is “guilty of an appalling abuse of public trust.”
He said what Trump did “was a flagrant assault on our electoral rights, our national security, and our fundamental values.”
Romney added: “Corrupting an election to keep oneself in office is perhaps the most abusive and destructive violation of one’s oath of office that I can imagine.”
Romney is the first senator in US history to vote to convict a President of his own party.
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Another moderate Republican senator, Susan Collins, has said she will acquit, saying that while what Trump did was inappropriate he has “learned his lesson”.
I kind of think he probably has not…
So unless there are further surprises, the final tally will be 48-52.
Learned his lesson?
I get it that voting against him is a difficult thing to do for a Republican, but surely she can do better than that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Mitt Romney, Republican Senator for Utah, will vote to convict Donald Trump.Romney said Trump is “guilty of an appalling abuse of public trust.”
He said what Trump did “was a flagrant assault on our electoral rights, our national security, and our fundamental values.”
Romney added: “Corrupting an election to keep oneself in office is perhaps the most abusive and destructive violation of one’s oath of office that I can imagine.”
Romney is the first senator in US history to vote to convict a President of his own party.
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Another moderate Republican senator, Susan Collins, has said she will acquit, saying that while what Trump did was inappropriate he has “learned his lesson”.
I kind of think he probably has not…
So unless there are further surprises, the final tally will be 48-52.
Learned his lesson?
I get it that voting against him is a difficult thing to do for a Republican, but surely she can do better than that.
He’ll just say it was a political witch-hunt and he’s been completely exonerated.
Always loved a good farce.
They still haven’t finished the counting in Iowa. At 86% now.
Rule 303 said:
Always loved a good farce.
What about bad ones?
Divine Angel said:
Rule 303 said:
Always loved a good farce.
What about bad ones?
Less so.
sibeen said:
They still haven’t finished the counting in Iowa. At 86% now.
I can’t tell you how to live your life but I would probably have put that in the other Tread.
dv said:
sibeen said:
They still haven’t finished the counting in Iowa. At 86% now.
I can’t tell you how to live your life but I would probably have put that in the other Tread.
that’s right, go away, shoo

ChrispenEvan said:
Nancy may be an angry woman but this doesn’t sound like her.
ChrispenEvan said:
I’m reluctant to ask ‘what speech?’ because I figure if I don’t already know, it can’t be that important to me…. but what speech?
Rule 303 said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I’m reluctant to ask ‘what speech?’ because I figure if I don’t already know, it can’t be that important to me…. but what speech?
Trump’s state of the onion.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Nancy may be an angry woman but this doesn’t sound like her.
Scanning headlines from a quick Binge, The USofA seems to be in two minds about Ms Pelosi’s actions.
Rule 303 said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I’m reluctant to ask ‘what speech?’ because I figure if I don’t already know, it can’t be that important to me…. but what speech?
Try a quick Binge.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Nancy may be an angry woman but this doesn’t sound like her.
Scanning headlines from a quick Binge, The USofA seems to be in two minds about Ms Pelosi’s actions.
I, for one, thought it looked ridiculous and staged.
probably not the correct thread but what the hell, it fits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iTSK1ciEno
You’ll be amazed to learn that Susan Collins’s optimism was misplaced and that DJT has been not at all chastened…
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/06/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-senate-acquitted/index.html
It should be pointed out that Mitt Romney believes that the lost tribe if Israel came to America way way before Eric the Red or Collumbus and built cities and stuff and Moroni and the Osmonds led them to the promised land that is now a desert in Utah.
Peak Warming Man said:
It should be pointed out that Mitt Romney believes that the lost tribe if Israel came to America way way before Eric the Red or Collumbus and built cities and stuff and Moroni and the Osmonds led them to the promised land that is now a desert in Utah.
But it does have a giant copper mine that produces a bit of gold. Just perfect for latter-day golden tablets
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Nancy may be an angry woman but this doesn’t sound like her.
Scanning headlines from a quick Binge, The USofA seems to be in two minds about Ms Pelosi’s actions.
I, for one, thought it looked ridiculous and staged.
of course it was staged.
and i doubt that twitter is real. goddamn has two d’s.
It’s funny when religious types attack other religious types. So much stupid, so little time…
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
It should be pointed out that Mitt Romney believes that the lost tribe if Israel came to America way way before Eric the Red or Collumbus and built cities and stuff and Moroni and the Osmonds led them to the promised land that is now a desert in Utah.
But it does have a giant copper mine that produces a bit of gold. Just perfect for latter-day golden tablets
It’s funny how the hidden racism in those claims doesn’t seem to get mentioned, the natives were the bad guys as they weren’t Christians
Peak Warming Man said:
It should be pointed out that Mitt Romney believes that the lost tribe if Israel came to America way way before Eric the Red or Collumbus and built cities and stuff and Moroni and the Osmonds led them to the promised land that is now a desert in Utah.
Just been reading TATE on openly atheist politicians in the USA. There are not that many, but more than I thought.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_politics_and_law#United_States
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
It should be pointed out that Mitt Romney believes that the lost tribe if Israel came to America way way before Eric the Red or Collumbus and built cities and stuff and Moroni and the Osmonds led them to the promised land that is now a desert in Utah.
Just been reading TATE on openly atheist politicians in the USA. There are not that many, but more than I thought.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_politics_and_law#United_States
I wonder how many politicians who claim they are religious are actually so or just pretend as it gets them votes.
Even the pretending is lip service

I wonder how the Watergate scandal would rate in todays political climate
Cymek said:
I wonder how the Watergate scandal would rate in todays political climate
as drought relief
ABC News:
‘Acquitted, angry and more powerful than ever. Get ready for Trump unleashed Analysis By Washington bureau chief David LipsonPosted 38 minutes ago
Heaping praise on those who helped him get off the impeachment charges while spitting venomous fury at anyone who defied him, Donald Trump has displayed not even a hint of contrition, writes David Lipson. ‘
His ego is stoked, his delusions are reinforced.
He’ll be like a bull in china shop now. It’ll be like the Last Days of Hitler again.
As i said before, the perso most likely to damage Trump in the coming year is Trump himself.
Cymek said:
I wonder how the Watergate scandal would rate in todays political climate
It was a pretty minor transgression in comparison
ChrispenEvan said:
LOLOL
How many people has Trump sacked now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_and_resignations
Long List and more to come too.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/11/politics/roger-stone-sentencing-justice-department/index.html
Justice Department undercuts own prosecutors on Trump ally Stone’s sentencing
Washington (CNN)Top Justice Department officials are taking the extraordinary step of disavowing and undercutting their own federal prosecutors, announcing plans to reduce the government’s sentence recommended for longtime Donald Trump confidante Roger Stone, a senior department official said Tuesday.
The stunning and politically charged decision, which is expected to be filed in Washington, DC, federal court later Tuesday, comes hours after Trump publicly criticized the recommendation. It immediately raised questions about the Justice Department’s independence from political pressure, and soon after the announcement, a prosecutor who worked on the case against Stone resigned from the DC US attorney’s office and asked to withdraw from the case.
Prosecutors from the US Attorney’s office in Washington, who are employees of the Justice Department, had said Monday that Stone should be sentenced to seven to nine years in prison after he was convicted on seven charges last year that derived from former special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, including lying to Congress and witness tampering.
all good, if enough of those jokers resign then we won’t have as many backflips in the future
Washington (CNN)In an extraordinary move, all four federal prosecutors who took the case against longtime Donald Trump confidant Roger Stone to trial withdrew Tuesday after top Justice Department officials undercut them and disavowed the government’s recommended sentence against Stone.
The mass withdrawal of the career prosecutors on the case was a stunning response to the controversial and politically charged decision by Attorney General William Barr and other top Justice Department officials to reduce prosecutors’ recommended sentence of up to nine years, which came just hours after Trump publicly criticized it on Twitter
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/11/politics/roger-stone-sentencing-justice-department/index.html
excellent, we can expect consistent unanimous judgements from a select group of experts who are all on the same page now
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/482569-senate-gop-blocks-three-election-security-bills
Senate GOP blocks three election security bills
Senate Republicans blocked an effort by Democrats to unanimously pass three election security-related bills Tuesday, marking the latest attempt to clear legislation ahead of the November electionsDemocrats tried to get consent to pass two bills that require campaigns to alert the FBI and Federal Election Commission (FEC) about foreign offers of assistance, as well as legislation to provide more election funding and ban voting machines from being connected to the internet.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/trump-says-pentagon-should-consider-punishing-impeachment-witness-vindman.html
Trump says Pentagon should consider punishing impeachment witness Vindman
President Donald Trump said that the Pentagon could look at disciplinary action against U.S. Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a key figure who testified in the Ukraine impeachment saga.“He is over with the military,” Trump said of Vindman from the Oval Office.
Last week, Vindman was escorted out of his third-floor office across from the White House.
“He is over with the military,” Trump added from the Oval Office. “We sent him on his way to a much different location and the military can handle him any way they want,” Trump said, referring to Vindman’s reassignment from the White House to the Department of the Army.
National security advisor Robert O’Brien said Tuesday that there was “no retaliation” and Trump didn’t instruct him to remove Vindman and his twin brother, Yevgeny Vindman, from their White House posts, according to reports.
dv said:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/trump-says-pentagon-should-consider-punishing-impeachment-witness-vindman.html
Trump says Pentagon should consider punishing impeachment witness Vindman
President Donald Trump said that the Pentagon could look at disciplinary action against U.S. Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a key figure who testified in the Ukraine impeachment saga.“He is over with the military,” Trump said of Vindman from the Oval Office.
Last week, Vindman was escorted out of his third-floor office across from the White House.
“He is over with the military,” Trump added from the Oval Office. “We sent him on his way to a much different location and the military can handle him any way they want,” Trump said, referring to Vindman’s reassignment from the White House to the Department of the Army.
National security advisor Robert O’Brien said Tuesday that there was “no retaliation” and Trump didn’t instruct him to remove Vindman and his twin brother, Yevgeny Vindman, from their White House posts, according to reports.
That sort of thing should really put him on the outer with his supporter base.
It won’t.
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Last month, the National Archives came under fire for altering an image of the 2017 Women’s March to blur a protest signs critical of Trump. The archive claims their act was non-partisan and they were trying to avoid offending visitors.
But the controversy raised more questions about how else the National Archives is altering historical records and how that might affect the ability of future journalists and historians to report and write about the Trump administration and its agencies.
In 2017 the Archives agreed to let Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials delete or destroy documents that detail the sexual abuse and death of undocumented immigrants, and despite received tens of thousands of comments and hearing the objections of dozens of lawmakers, they moved forward with a plan last month.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/national-archives-deleting-records-about-trumps-ice-policies
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( AP Photos )Last month, the National Archives came under fire for altering an image of the 2017 Women’s March to blur a protest signs critical of Trump. The archive claims their act was non-partisan and they were trying to avoid offending visitors.
But the controversy raised more questions about how else the National Archives is altering historical records and how that might affect the ability of future journalists and historians to report and write about the Trump administration and its agencies.
In 2017 the Archives agreed to let Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials delete or destroy documents that detail the sexual abuse and death of undocumented immigrants, and despite received tens of thousands of comments and hearing the objections of dozens of lawmakers, they moved forward with a plan last month.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/national-archives-deleting-records-about-trumps-ice-policies
It’s so bad. And It gets worse.
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/trump-says-pentagon-should-consider-punishing-impeachment-witness-vindman.html
Trump says Pentagon should consider punishing impeachment witness Vindman
President Donald Trump said that the Pentagon could look at disciplinary action against U.S. Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a key figure who testified in the Ukraine impeachment saga.“He is over with the military,” Trump said of Vindman from the Oval Office.
Last week, Vindman was escorted out of his third-floor office across from the White House.
“He is over with the military,” Trump added from the Oval Office. “We sent him on his way to a much different location and the military can handle him any way they want,” Trump said, referring to Vindman’s reassignment from the White House to the Department of the Army.
National security advisor Robert O’Brien said Tuesday that there was “no retaliation” and Trump didn’t instruct him to remove Vindman and his twin brother, Yevgeny Vindman, from their White House posts, according to reports.
That sort of thing should really put him on the outer with his supporter base.
It won’t.
Of course it won’t.
Trump’s supporters treat him as a god.
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( AP Photos )Last month, the National Archives came under fire for altering an image of the 2017 Women’s March to blur a protest signs critical of Trump. The archive claims their act was non-partisan and they were trying to avoid offending visitors.
But the controversy raised more questions about how else the National Archives is altering historical records and how that might affect the ability of future journalists and historians to report and write about the Trump administration and its agencies.
In 2017 the Archives agreed to let Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials delete or destroy documents that detail the sexual abuse and death of undocumented immigrants, and despite received tens of thousands of comments and hearing the objections of dozens of lawmakers, they moved forward with a plan last month.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/national-archives-deleting-records-about-trumps-ice-policies
If true, then growl. I growl.
Grrrrrrrrrrr.
Washington (CNN)Former White House chief of staff John Kelly said Wednesday that Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a key witness in President Donald Trump’s impeachment inquiry, was right to raise concerns about Trump’s July call to Ukraine’s president, The Atlantic reported.
Kelly also believes that Vindman, who was fired from White House last week, told the truth during testimony before House investigators last fall.
“Having seen something ‘questionable (in the call),’ Vindman properly notified his superiors,” Kelly said at an event at Drew University, according to the magazine. “When subpoenaed by Congress in the House impeachment hearings, Vindman complied and told the truth.”
“He did exactly what we teach them to do from cradle to grave,” he said, according to the magazine. “He went and told his boss what he just heard.”
Kelly said that when Vindman heard Trump tell Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that he wanted the country to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter, the ask was for the aide “tantamount to hearing ‘an illegal order,’” The Atlantic reported. Trump and his allies have repeatedly made unfounded and false claims to allege that the Bidens acted corruptly in Ukraine.
“We teach them, ‘Don’t follow an illegal order. And if you’re ever given one, you’ll raise it to whoever gives it to you that this is an illegal order, and then tell your boss,’” Kelly said, according to the magazine.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/13/politics/john-kelly-trump-criticism-vindman/index.html
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-14/hope-hicks-to-return-to-white-house-ahead-of-2020-elections/11964930
Do you know, my first thought was – which wife needs to worry? Kushner’s or Trump’s?
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-14/hope-hicks-to-return-to-white-house-ahead-of-2020-elections/11964930Do you know, my first thought was – which wife needs to worry? Kushner’s or Trump’s?
worry ¿ maybe they enjoy it
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-14/hope-hicks-to-return-to-white-house-ahead-of-2020-elections/11964930Do you know, my first thought was – which wife needs to worry? Kushner’s or Trump’s?
They are gathering again.
That comes from this Quatrain.
“In the fourth year they shall gather again
In the almost round
To extinguish the burn
So it is written”
bump
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Thanks:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-15/donald-trump-defends-right-to-interfere-in-us-criminal-cases/11968634
I got this from a friend of mine (who knows how much I detest the IMPOTUS trump)
yeah trump you can kiss my a….
Emboldened by his acquittal in the Senate, Donald Trump is announcing his current quid pro quo exercise on Twitter, linking his denial of Global Entry status to the State of New York, to NY prosecutors’ investigations of his illegal activity.
https://www.syracuse.com/state/2020/02/trump-accused-of-seeking-another-quid-pro-quo-with-cuomo-new-york-state.html
sorry wrong thread
captain_spalding said:
Back after mowing grass with my primitive device.I see that Chrispen has declared that ‘math’ is the correct abbreviation over ‘maths’.
All i can say is that ‘math’ seems to be entirely North American in use (including Canada, who must feel compelled to bend in small ways to accommodate the unfortunates from south of the border).
As for ‘math’ being correct – just remember that the US is one of only three countries not using metrics, too (the other two are Liberia and Myanmar).
found it
“Am I talking about Trump or Bloomberg?” Yes. Yes you are.
(Comment. Beau of the Fifth Column https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucnCZI3Q4ms)
More than 1,100 former prosecutors and other DOJ officials call on Attorney General Bill Barr to resign
(CNN)More than 1,110 former Justice Department officials who served in Republican as well as Democratic administrations posted a statement Sunday calling on Attorney General Bill Barr to resign.
“Mr. Barr’s actions in doing the President’s personal bidding unfortunately speak louder than his words. Those actions, and the damage they have done to the Department of Justice’s reputation for integrity and the rule of law, require Mr. Barr to resign. But because we have little expectation he will do so, it falls to the Department’s career officials to take appropriate action to uphold their oaths of office and defend nonpartisan, apolitical justice,” the officials wrote in a statement.
The rare statement from the officials — mostly former career prosecutors, but also some former political appointees — came in the wake of an extraordinary week at the Justice Department. In just one week, career prosecutors withdrew from a case after Barr overruled their sentencing recommendation, the attorney general pushed back against the President in an unusual interview and separately ordered an examination of politically charged cases involving those close to President Donald Trump.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/16/politics/prosecutors-doj-officials-barr-resign/index.html
Some bad news for Bloomberg: he has qualified for tomorrows debate in Nevada.
(CNN) A credibility crisis rocking President Donald Trump’s Justice Department significantly deepened over the long holiday weekend amid rising calls for Attorney General Bill Barr to quit over claims he has politicized of highly sensitive cases.
Latest developments suggest that the President’s destruction of the invisible wall between the White House and the department and the obliging behavior of Barr may already mean that the question of possible political interference will haunt almost every large-scale Washington case for the rest of the current administration.
The drama escalated Monday as a letter demanding Barr’s resignation by a bipartisan group of former Justice officials gathered its 2,000th signature. The officials are dismayed by the attorney general’s decisions to tone down sentencing guidelines in the case of Roger Stone — the President’s long-time confidant and political trickster. The White House however said Monday that Trump still has full confidence in Barr.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/18/politics/donald-trump-bill-barr-justice-department/index.html
Former Deputy Attorney General Donald Ayer, who worked in George H. W. Bush’s administration with current Attorney General Bill Barr, is now one of the thousands of former Justice Department employees calling for Barr to resign.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/17/donald-ayer-barr-resignation-tsr-vpx.cnn
dv said:
(CNN) A credibility crisis rocking President Donald Trump’s Justice Department significantly deepened over the long holiday weekend amid rising calls for Attorney General Bill Barr to quit over claims he has politicized of highly sensitive cases.Latest developments suggest that the President’s destruction of the invisible wall between the White House and the department and the obliging behavior of Barr may already mean that the question of possible political interference will haunt almost every large-scale Washington case for the rest of the current administration.
The drama escalated Monday as a letter demanding Barr’s resignation by a bipartisan group of former Justice officials gathered its 2,000th signature. The officials are dismayed by the attorney general’s decisions to tone down sentencing guidelines in the case of Roger Stone — the President’s long-time confidant and political trickster. The White House however said Monday that Trump still has full confidence in Barr.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/18/politics/donald-trump-bill-barr-justice-department/index.htmlFormer Deputy Attorney General Donald Ayer, who worked in George H. W. Bush’s administration with current Attorney General Bill Barr, is now one of the thousands of former Justice Department employees calling for Barr to resign.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/17/donald-ayer-barr-resignation-tsr-vpx.cnn
Is there anything about Trump’s administration that isn’t seriously messed up?
Michael V said:
dv said:
(CNN) A credibility crisis rocking President Donald Trump’s Justice Department significantly deepened over the long holiday weekend amid rising calls for Attorney General Bill Barr to quit over claims he has politicized of highly sensitive cases.Latest developments suggest that the President’s destruction of the invisible wall between the White House and the department and the obliging behavior of Barr may already mean that the question of possible political interference will haunt almost every large-scale Washington case for the rest of the current administration.
The drama escalated Monday as a letter demanding Barr’s resignation by a bipartisan group of former Justice officials gathered its 2,000th signature. The officials are dismayed by the attorney general’s decisions to tone down sentencing guidelines in the case of Roger Stone — the President’s long-time confidant and political trickster. The White House however said Monday that Trump still has full confidence in Barr.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/18/politics/donald-trump-bill-barr-justice-department/index.htmlFormer Deputy Attorney General Donald Ayer, who worked in George H. W. Bush’s administration with current Attorney General Bill Barr, is now one of the thousands of former Justice Department employees calling for Barr to resign.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/17/donald-ayer-barr-resignation-tsr-vpx.cnnIs there anything about Trump’s administration that isn’t seriously messed up?
“I’ve done nothing wrong” In the man’s words.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
(CNN) A credibility crisis rocking President Donald Trump’s Justice Department significantly deepened over the long holiday weekend amid rising calls for Attorney General Bill Barr to quit over claims he has politicized of highly sensitive cases.Latest developments suggest that the President’s destruction of the invisible wall between the White House and the department and the obliging behavior of Barr may already mean that the question of possible political interference will haunt almost every large-scale Washington case for the rest of the current administration.
The drama escalated Monday as a letter demanding Barr’s resignation by a bipartisan group of former Justice officials gathered its 2,000th signature. The officials are dismayed by the attorney general’s decisions to tone down sentencing guidelines in the case of Roger Stone — the President’s long-time confidant and political trickster. The White House however said Monday that Trump still has full confidence in Barr.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/18/politics/donald-trump-bill-barr-justice-department/index.htmlFormer Deputy Attorney General Donald Ayer, who worked in George H. W. Bush’s administration with current Attorney General Bill Barr, is now one of the thousands of former Justice Department employees calling for Barr to resign.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/17/donald-ayer-barr-resignation-tsr-vpx.cnnIs there anything about Trump’s administration that isn’t seriously messed up?
“I’ve done nothing wrong” In the man’s words.
if anything, he’s proving that in the land of the free, snake oil salesmen still exist complete with their freak shows.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:Is there anything about Trump’s administration that isn’t seriously messed up?
“I’ve done nothing wrong” In the man’s words.
if anything, he’s proving that in the land of the free, snake oil salesmen still exist complete with their freak shows.
And it’s the same her. Scotty from Marketing…
A company that heavily lobbied President Trump is part of the lucrative business of constructing the new steel wall along the border in Arizona.
An up-close look at the 30-foot-tall, rust-colored steel poles that make up the wall recently erected along the border in Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument reveals the words “Atlas Tube” on them.
Atlas Tube is the Chicago-based division of Zekelman Industries, a company run by Barry Zekelman, a Canadian billionaire who led a wide-ranging effort to urge Trump and other officials to place tariffs and import quotas on steel. That effort included a $1.75 million donation to a pro-Trump super PAC and meeting with Trump and others in April 2018.
The $891 million in contracts to build 43 miles of wall on Organ Pipe and part of the adjacent Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge were awarded in May to Southwest Valley Constructors, according to the Army Corps of Engineers.
more
https://tucson.com/news/local/steel-for-border-wall-going-up-in-arizona-made-by/article_381e40e4-cc00-5280-ac9f-f8e60ce3449c.html
sarahs mum said:
A company that heavily lobbied President Trump is part of the lucrative business of constructing the new steel wall along the border in Arizona.An up-close look at the 30-foot-tall, rust-colored steel poles that make up the wall recently erected along the border in Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument reveals the words “Atlas Tube” on them.
Atlas Tube is the Chicago-based division of Zekelman Industries, a company run by Barry Zekelman, a Canadian billionaire who led a wide-ranging effort to urge Trump and other officials to place tariffs and import quotas on steel. That effort included a $1.75 million donation to a pro-Trump super PAC and meeting with Trump and others in April 2018.
The $891 million in contracts to build 43 miles of wall on Organ Pipe and part of the adjacent Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge were awarded in May to Southwest Valley Constructors, according to the Army Corps of Engineers.
more
https://tucson.com/news/local/steel-for-border-wall-going-up-in-arizona-made-by/article_381e40e4-cc00-5280-ac9f-f8e60ce3449c.html
What do we have that they should want?
We have a wall to work upon
We have work and they have none
And our work is never done
My children, my children
And the war is never won
Concerned federal judges call an ‘unprecedented’ emergency meeting to discuss Trump’s DOJ interference
The head of the 1,100-member Federal Judges Association on Monday called an emergency meeting amid concerns over President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr’s use of the power of the Justice Department for political purposes, such as protecting a long-time friend and confidant of the president.
The emergency meeting—announced Monday by Philadelphia-based U.S. District Judge Cynthia M. Rufe, the head of the group—was described by legal analysts as an unusual and “extraordinary” step.
“This is mind-blowing. I’ve never heard of anything like it,” tweeted former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman. “We are in full-on crisis mode.”
https://www.good.is/concerned-federal-judges-call-an-unprecedented-emergency-meeting-to-discuss-trumps-doj-interference
dv said:
Concerned federal judges call an ‘unprecedented’ emergency meeting to discuss Trump’s DOJ interferenceThe head of the 1,100-member Federal Judges Association on Monday called an emergency meeting amid concerns over President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr’s use of the power of the Justice Department for political purposes, such as protecting a long-time friend and confidant of the president.
The emergency meeting—announced Monday by Philadelphia-based U.S. District Judge Cynthia M. Rufe, the head of the group—was described by legal analysts as an unusual and “extraordinary” step.
“This is mind-blowing. I’ve never heard of anything like it,” tweeted former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman. “We are in full-on crisis mode.”
https://www.good.is/concerned-federal-judges-call-an-unprecedented-emergency-meeting-to-discuss-trumps-doj-interference
Judges seem to get quite snotty when people breach the separation of government and judiciary.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-19/president-trump-goes-on-clemency-spree-cuts-blagojevich-sentence/11979250
Goodness me…
dv said:
Concerned federal judges call an ‘unprecedented’ emergency meeting to discuss Trump’s DOJ interferenceThe head of the 1,100-member Federal Judges Association on Monday called an emergency meeting amid concerns over President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr’s use of the power of the Justice Department for political purposes, such as protecting a long-time friend and confidant of the president.
The emergency meeting—announced Monday by Philadelphia-based U.S. District Judge Cynthia M. Rufe, the head of the group—was described by legal analysts as an unusual and “extraordinary” step.
“This is mind-blowing. I’ve never heard of anything like it,” tweeted former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman. “We are in full-on crisis mode.”
https://www.good.is/concerned-federal-judges-call-an-unprecedented-emergency-meeting-to-discuss-trumps-doj-interference
Interesting development.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Concerned federal judges call an ‘unprecedented’ emergency meeting to discuss Trump’s DOJ interferenceThe head of the 1,100-member Federal Judges Association on Monday called an emergency meeting amid concerns over President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr’s use of the power of the Justice Department for political purposes, such as protecting a long-time friend and confidant of the president.
The emergency meeting—announced Monday by Philadelphia-based U.S. District Judge Cynthia M. Rufe, the head of the group—was described by legal analysts as an unusual and “extraordinary” step.
“This is mind-blowing. I’ve never heard of anything like it,” tweeted former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman. “We are in full-on crisis mode.”
https://www.good.is/concerned-federal-judges-call-an-unprecedented-emergency-meeting-to-discuss-trumps-doj-interference
Interesting development.
deep state
Veterans coalition condemns Trump’s continued attacks on Army officer who testified against him
A coalition of more than 1,100 veterans on Tuesday condemned President Donald Trump for his continued attacks on an Army officer who testified against him in the impeachment inquiry, noting that military rules bar the service member from defending himself publicly.
“The president should know that, despite taking aim at one Army officer, he has targeted anyone who currently wears — or has worn — the uniform,” the group stated in an open letter. “Our service members and veterans deserve the confidence of knowing that our elected leaders will come to their defense, just as they remain vigilant for ours.”
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/02/18/veterans-coalition-condemns-trumps-continued-attacks-on-army-officer-who-testified-against-him/
dv said:
Veterans coalition condemns Trump’s continued attacks on Army officer who testified against himA coalition of more than 1,100 veterans on Tuesday condemned President Donald Trump for his continued attacks on an Army officer who testified against him in the impeachment inquiry, noting that military rules bar the service member from defending himself publicly.
“The president should know that, despite taking aim at one Army officer, he has targeted anyone who currently wears — or has worn — the uniform,” the group stated in an open letter. “Our service members and veterans deserve the confidence of knowing that our elected leaders will come to their defense, just as they remain vigilant for ours.”
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/02/18/veterans-coalition-condemns-trumps-continued-attacks-on-army-officer-who-testified-against-him/
DT’s just a tweeting cloaca.
Ian said:
It took me awhile to work out that was supposed to be the democrat candidates.
sibeen said:
Ian said:
It took me awhile to work out that was supposed to be the democrat candidates.
Did ya notice the tweet signal at DTs crotch?
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
Ian said:
It took me awhile to work out that was supposed to be the democrat candidates.
Did ya notice the tweet signal at DTs crotch?
I didn’t know that was the tweet symbol. I’ve never tweeted in my life.
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:
Ian said:
It took me awhile to work out that was supposed to be the democrat candidates.
Did ya notice the tweet signal at DTs crotch?
Ha!
I saw that but didn’t recognise it. Thought his pants were torn.
sibeen said:
AwesomeO said:
sibeen said:It took me awhile to work out that was supposed to be the democrat candidates.
Did ya notice the tweet signal at DTs crotch?
I didn’t know that was the tweet symbol. I’ve never tweeted in my life.
I tweet. I tweet because I’m cool and people want to hear my views on stuff.
Washington (CNN)The Pentagon’s top policy official who warned against withholding military aid to Ukraine last year resigned on Wednesday at the request of President Donald Trump, according to a copy of his resignation letter obtained by CNN.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/19/politics/john-rood-pentagon-official-depart/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/19/politics/trump-grennell-acting-dni/index.html
President Donald Trump announced Wednesday that he has named Richard Grenell, a staunch loyalist, as acting spy chief.
Even in an acting role, Grenell’s lack of intelligence-related experience is likely to unsettle the US intelligence community, which has endured repeated attacks from the President since his 2016 election win over the Russia investigation and later the whistleblower complaint that gave way to the Ukraine impeachment inquiry, which made Trump just the third president in American history to be impeached.
But it does not appear that Trump is looking for someone with deep intelligence experience in the role — a former senior White House official described Trump’s decision as “filling the gaps” following the impeachment acquittal, sensing disloyalty in Maguire, and filling that position with somebody he sees as sufficiently loyal. Trump is “looking for a ‘political’ who will have his back,” the former official said.
Trump jabs at Parasite’s Oscar win because film is ‘from South Korea’
President says US has trade problems with South Korea and wonders if ‘we can get Gone With the Wind back’
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Donald Trump has taken a jab at the Oscars for awarding this year’s best picture honor to Parasite, because the film is South Korean.
“How bad were the Academy Awards this year?” Trump asked a rally in Colorado Springs, Colorado. The crowd responded with loud boos.
“The winner is a movie from South Korea, what the hell was that all about?” Trump asked. “We got enough problems with South Korea with trade and on top of it, they give them the best movie of the year.”
“Was it good? I don’t know. I’m looking for, like – can we get like Gone With The Wind back, please?” Trump said, to loud cheers.
Gone With the Wind, which tells the story of the daughter of a Georgia plantation owner during and after the Civil War, has long been criticized for its depiction of relationships between black slaves and their white masters. The novel from which the film is adapted described the Ku Klux Klan as a “tragic necessity” and made such free use of derogatory slurs for black people that the NAACP got involved with the production of the movie. The producers deleted the racial epithets after the black actors in the film – Hattie McDaniel made history as the first black person to win an Oscar for her role – complained.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/feb/20/trump-parasite-oscar-south-korea?CMP=soc_567
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Trump jabs at Parasite’s Oscar win because film is ‘from South Korea’President says US has trade problems with South Korea and wonders if ‘we can get Gone With the Wind back’
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Donald Trump has taken a jab at the Oscars for awarding this year’s best picture honor to Parasite, because the film is South Korean.
“How bad were the Academy Awards this year?” Trump asked a rally in Colorado Springs, Colorado. The crowd responded with loud boos.
“The winner is a movie from South Korea, what the hell was that all about?” Trump asked. “We got enough problems with South Korea with trade and on top of it, they give them the best movie of the year.”
“Was it good? I don’t know. I’m looking for, like – can we get like Gone With The Wind back, please?” Trump said, to loud cheers.
Gone With the Wind, which tells the story of the daughter of a Georgia plantation owner during and after the Civil War, has long been criticized for its depiction of relationships between black slaves and their white masters. The novel from which the film is adapted described the Ku Klux Klan as a “tragic necessity” and made such free use of derogatory slurs for black people that the NAACP got involved with the production of the movie. The producers deleted the racial epithets after the black actors in the film – Hattie McDaniel made history as the first black person to win an Oscar for her role – complained.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/feb/20/trump-parasite-oscar-south-korea?CMP=soc_567
Frankly I don’t give a damn
Cymek said:
dv said:
Trump jabs at Parasite’s Oscar win because film is ‘from South Korea’President says US has trade problems with South Korea and wonders if ‘we can get Gone With the Wind back’
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Donald Trump has taken a jab at the Oscars for awarding this year’s best picture honor to Parasite, because the film is South Korean.
“How bad were the Academy Awards this year?” Trump asked a rally in Colorado Springs, Colorado. The crowd responded with loud boos.
“The winner is a movie from South Korea, what the hell was that all about?” Trump asked. “We got enough problems with South Korea with trade and on top of it, they give them the best movie of the year.”
“Was it good? I don’t know. I’m looking for, like – can we get like Gone With The Wind back, please?” Trump said, to loud cheers.
Gone With the Wind, which tells the story of the daughter of a Georgia plantation owner during and after the Civil War, has long been criticized for its depiction of relationships between black slaves and their white masters. The novel from which the film is adapted described the Ku Klux Klan as a “tragic necessity” and made such free use of derogatory slurs for black people that the NAACP got involved with the production of the movie. The producers deleted the racial epithets after the black actors in the film – Hattie McDaniel made history as the first black person to win an Oscar for her role – complained.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/feb/20/trump-parasite-oscar-south-korea?CMP=soc_567
Frankly I don’t give a damn
LOL
I tell you what if Trump wins a second term they’ll have to put RB Ginsburg on ice for 4 years.
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
Trump jabs at Parasite’s Oscar win because film is ‘from South Korea’President says US has trade problems with South Korea and wonders if ‘we can get Gone With the Wind back’
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Donald Trump has taken a jab at the Oscars for awarding this year’s best picture honor to Parasite, because the film is South Korean.
“How bad were the Academy Awards this year?” Trump asked a rally in Colorado Springs, Colorado. The crowd responded with loud boos.
“The winner is a movie from South Korea, what the hell was that all about?” Trump asked. “We got enough problems with South Korea with trade and on top of it, they give them the best movie of the year.”
“Was it good? I don’t know. I’m looking for, like – can we get like Gone With The Wind back, please?” Trump said, to loud cheers.
Gone With the Wind, which tells the story of the daughter of a Georgia plantation owner during and after the Civil War, has long been criticized for its depiction of relationships between black slaves and their white masters. The novel from which the film is adapted described the Ku Klux Klan as a “tragic necessity” and made such free use of derogatory slurs for black people that the NAACP got involved with the production of the movie. The producers deleted the racial epithets after the black actors in the film – Hattie McDaniel made history as the first black person to win an Oscar for her role – complained.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/feb/20/trump-parasite-oscar-south-korea?CMP=soc_567
Frankly I don’t give a damn
LOL
He’s probably annoyed the North Korean superhero movie Kim Jong-un – The Pudgy Bastard didn’t win
Witty Rejoinder said:
I tell you what if Trump wins a second term they’ll have to put RB Ginsburg on ice for 4 years.
The Canadians will have to put their military on high alert to stem the tide of Hollywood actors flooding across the border.
Witty Rejoinder said:
I tell you what if Trump wins a second term they’ll have to put RB Ginsburg on ice for 4 years.
Probably wouldn’t matter either way, he has already made the DOJ his personal law firm.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I tell you what if Trump wins a second term they’ll have to put RB Ginsburg on ice for 4 years.
The Canadians will have to put their military on high alert to stem the tide of Hollywood actors flooding across the border.
Send them all to Quebec and make them do their films in pretend French. They’ll soon enough drift back.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I tell you what if Trump wins a second term they’ll have to put RB Ginsburg on ice for 4 years.
The Canadians will have to put their military on high alert to stem the tide of Hollywood actors flooding across the border.
Send them all to Quebec and make them do their films in pretend French. They’ll soon enough drift back.
What if Canada builds a wall?
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:The Canadians will have to put their military on high alert to stem the tide of Hollywood actors flooding across the border.
Send them all to Quebec and make them do their films in pretend French. They’ll soon enough drift back.
What if Canada builds a wall?
I don’t think they’re clever enough for that.
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:Send them all to Quebec and make them do their films in pretend French. They’ll soon enough drift back.
What if Canada builds a wall?
I don’t think they’re clever enough for that.
Adam Hills did it for them.
dv said:
The novel from which the film is adapted described the Ku Klux Klan as a “tragic necessity” and made such free use of derogatory slurs for black people that the NAACP got involved with the production of the movie. The producers deleted the racial epithets after the black actors in the film – Hattie McDaniel made history as the first black person to win an Oscar for her role – complained.https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/feb/20/trump-parasite-oscar-south-korea?CMP=soc_567
I didn’t know that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The novel from which the film is adapted described the Ku Klux Klan as a “tragic necessity” and made such free use of derogatory slurs for black people that the NAACP got involved with the production of the movie. The producers deleted the racial epithets after the black actors in the film – Hattie McDaniel made history as the first black person to win an Oscar for her role – complained.https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/feb/20/trump-parasite-oscar-south-korea?CMP=soc_567
I didn’t know that.
and it’s a celebrated classic
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:The Canadians will have to put their military on high alert to stem the tide of Hollywood actors flooding across the border.
Send them all to Quebec and make them do their films in pretend French. They’ll soon enough drift back.
What if Canada builds a wall?
Then I would expect America to pay for it. After all…
Trump’s Latest Intelligence Meltdown Isn’t About the Facts. It’s About the Truth
Earlier this month, FBI Director Christopher Wray said in public testimony that Russia was meddling in the 2020 election. So how to explain President Donald Trump’s decision to fire Acting Director of National Intelligence Adm. Joseph Maguire after Maguire defended a subordinate who had briefed Congress on much the same thing?
One important difference provides the answer. Maguire’s aide, Shelby Pierson, who heads the DNI’s election security unit, told the House Intelligence Committee last week that it was the consensus assessment of the CIA, National Security Agency, and FBI that Russian hackers aren’t just meddling in this year’s U.S. elections, they’re trying to help Trump win re-election, two officials familiar with the testimony tell TIME.
In doing so, Pierson delivered on the core competence of intelligence agencies: explaining not just what foreign adversaries and allies are doing, but why they’re doing it. “The mission of the Intelligence Community is to seek to reduce the uncertainty surrounding foreign activities, capabilities, or leaders’ intentions,” as the famous Jan. 2017 U.S. Intelligence Community Assessment of Russia’s 2016 meddling declared at its start.
In other words, Trump is objecting not to the facts his top intelligence experts are presenting, but to the truth they reveal.
Trump, both officials said, was angered that Maguire had allowed Pierson to brief members of the House Intelligence Committee on what officials at the three agencies assess is an ongoing Russian effort to meddle in the 2020 presidential election in an effort to help Trump.
The Russians are also meddling in Congressional races, aiding some Republican candidates and targeting some Democratic ones, the officials say. “The Russians understand our system, and they know that the President needs the Senate to remain in friendly hands in order to carry out his agenda,” one of the officials said.
The DNI’s office did not respond to requests for comment on Maguire’s departure and congressional briefings on election security. The details of Pierson’s testimony were first reported by the New York Times.
Trump’s reaction to hard truths is not exactly new. Over three years, he has repeatedly rejected intelligence findings about Russian political hacking, instead accepting Russian President Vladimir Putin’s claim the Russia has not interfered in U.S. elections and blaming Ukraine for the hacking.
https://time.com/5788479/trump-fires-maguire/
I do find it rather incredible that the Russians can spend about 15 kopeks and influence an American election whilst Bloomberg can spend approximately $4000 million dollars and get blown off a stage in an hour or two.
sibeen said:
I do find it rather incredible that the Russians can spend about 15 kopeks and influence an American election whilst Bloomberg can spend approximately $4000 million dollars and get blown off a stage in an hour or two.
I added a zero. Take one off.
sibeen said:
I do find it rather incredible that the Russians can spend about 15 kopeks and influence an American election whilst Bloomberg can spend approximately $4000 million dollars and get blown off a stage in an hour or two.
Whereas I find it incredible that a senate made up of people who are allergic to the word communism, refuse to believe this intell and fully support Trump. And even though various world leaders take a step away from dealing with Trump, here in Aus it all the way with Donald Trump.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
I do find it rather incredible that the Russians can spend about 15 kopeks and influence an American election whilst Bloomberg can spend approximately $4000 million dollars and get blown off a stage in an hour or two.
Whereas I find it incredible that a senate made up of people who are allergic to the word communism, refuse to believe this intell and fully support Trump. And even though various world leaders take a step away from dealing with Trump, here in Aus it all the way with Donald Trump.
sm, I do hope you realise that the recent impeachment hearings had absolutely bugger all to do with Russian interference with the last USA election.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
I do find it rather incredible that the Russians can spend about 15 kopeks and influence an American election whilst Bloomberg can spend approximately $4000 million dollars and get blown off a stage in an hour or two.
I added a zero. Take one off.
Sometimes I think megabillionaires aren’t all very stable geniuses
Galen from Fivethirtyeight on Bloomberg’s debate performance: “He sounded like he hadn’t talked to a normal person in ten years. “
dv said:
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
I do find it rather incredible that the Russians can spend about 15 kopeks and influence an American election whilst Bloomberg can spend approximately $4000 million dollars and get blown off a stage in an hour or two.
I added a zero. Take one off.
Sometimes I think megabillionaires aren’t all very stable geniuses
I’m almost hoping that Bloomberg becomes pres just to see what Mr Rainbow makes of it.
Coronavirus-infected Americans flown home against CDC’s advice
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/coronavirus-diamond-princess-cruise-americans/2020/02/20/b6f54cae-5279-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html
The State Department won the argument. But unhappy CDC officials demanded to be left out of the news release that explained that infected people were being flown back to the United States — a move that would nearly double the number of known coronavirus cases in this country.
dv said:
Galen from Fivethirtyeight on Bloomberg’s debate performance: “He sounded like he hadn’t talked to a normal person in ten years. “
He’s sounding more Trumpish every day.
Trump needs to see a psychiatrist.
I think it also needs to be involuntary.
Perhaps Congress can organise it for him.
Worth a read.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-22/russia-denies-backing-trump-re-election-critics-express-alarm/11990922

Michael V said:
Worth a read.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-22/russia-denies-backing-trump-re-election-critics-express-alarm/11990922
“Mr Trump has repeatedly called the US Russia probe and the impeachment inquiry a “witch hunt”.”
The funny thing is about ‘witch hunts’ is that, once in a while, they find a ‘witch’.
ChrispenEvan said:
LOL
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
LOL
In November 2017 , Trump was on a boat on the way out to the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbour, a Presidential visit.
On the way, he asked his chief of staff, John Kelly,:
“Hey, John, what’s this all about? What’s this a tour of?”
Kelly had to explain to Trump about the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbour, and its significance in American and WW2 history. Trump seemed to have barely heard of it before.
That’s how well-inbformed he is.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
LOL
In November 2017 , Trump was on a boat on the way out to the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbour, a Presidential visit.
On the way, he asked his chief of staff, John Kelly,:
“Hey, John, what’s this all about? What’s this a tour of?”
Kelly had to explain to Trump about the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbour, and its significance in American and WW2 history. Trump seemed to have barely heard of it before.
That’s how well-inbformed he is.
Is that really true?
Even I know about Pearl Harbour.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
LOL
In November 2017 , Trump was on a boat on the way out to the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbour, a Presidential visit.
On the way, he asked his chief of staff, John Kelly,:
“Hey, John, what’s this all about? What’s this a tour of?”
Kelly had to explain to Trump about the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbour, and its significance in American and WW2 history. Trump seemed to have barely heard of it before.
That’s how well-inbformed he is.
we had some rain last night.
ChrispenEvan said:
Well said Jed.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:LOL
In November 2017 , Trump was on a boat on the way out to the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbour, a Presidential visit.
On the way, he asked his chief of staff, John Kelly,:
“Hey, John, what’s this all about? What’s this a tour of?”
Kelly had to explain to Trump about the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbour, and its significance in American and WW2 history. Trump seemed to have barely heard of it before.
That’s how well-inbformed he is.
Is that really true?
Even I know about Pearl Harbour.
So says someone in their “new book” apparently.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
LOL
In November 2017 , Trump was on a boat on the way out to the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbour, a Presidential visit.
On the way, he asked his chief of staff, John Kelly,:
“Hey, John, what’s this all about? What’s this a tour of?”
Kelly had to explain to Trump about the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbour, and its significance in American and WW2 history. Trump seemed to have barely heard of it before.
That’s how well-inbformed he is.
Someone should show him the movie, he might get a better understanding of it.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:In November 2017 , Trump was on a boat on the way out to the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbour, a Presidential visit.
On the way, he asked his chief of staff, John Kelly,:
“Hey, John, what’s this all about? What’s this a tour of?”
Kelly had to explain to Trump about the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbour, and its significance in American and WW2 history. Trump seemed to have barely heard of it before.
That’s how well-inbformed he is.
Is that really true?
Even I know about Pearl Harbour.
So says someone in their “new book” apparently.
So possibly a little be true.
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:Is that really true?
Even I know about Pearl Harbour.
So says someone in their “new book” apparently.
So possibly a little be true.

Michael V said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:Is that really true?
Even I know about Pearl Harbour.
So says someone in their “new book” apparently.
So possibly a little be true.
>hundreds of hours of interviews with over 200 sources.. Lots of opportunities for cherry picking there.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Someone should show him the movie, he might get a better understanding of it.
Not even Trump deserves that.
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
Woodie said:So says someone in their “new book” apparently.
So possibly a little bit true.
LOL
BREAKING:
Filthy Rich Democrat Nutter With Full Blown TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) Makes Gesture.
“Michael Bloomberg to release female employees from gag orders”
Bloomberg also says he’s got a bigger hand than Trump.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:LOL
In November 2017 , Trump was on a boat on the way out to the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbour, a Presidential visit.
On the way, he asked his chief of staff, John Kelly,:
“Hey, John, what’s this all about? What’s this a tour of?”
Kelly had to explain to Trump about the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbour, and its significance in American and WW2 history. Trump seemed to have barely heard of it before.
That’s how well-inbformed he is.
Someone should show him the movie, he might get a better understanding of it.
Pearl Harbor sucked just a little bit more than I miss you
dv said:
LOL
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
LOL
I can imagine a Bloomberg Deathstar wouldn’t be foiled by rebel scum.
dv said:
And the proper height comparison is commendable.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
LOL
I can imagine a Bloomberg Deathstar wouldn’t be foiled by rebel scum.
They’d put some plywood over that vent
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
And the proper height comparison is commendable.
I think all of us here will be rallying behind Trump if Bloomberg is the Democrat nomination.
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
And the proper height comparison is commendable.
I think all of us here will be rallying behind Trump if Bloomberg is the Democrat nomination.

ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:And the proper height comparison is commendable.
I think all of us here will be rallying behind Trump if Bloomberg is the Democrat nomination.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexlee/porque-no-los-dos
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
And the proper height comparison is commendable.
Bloomberg has a bigger hand in things I think.
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:And the proper height comparison is commendable.
I think all of us here will be rallying behind Trump if Bloomberg is the Democrat nomination.
They could govern on a unity ticket
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:I think all of us here will be rallying behind Trump if Bloomberg is the Democrat nomination.
They could govern on a unity ticket
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
And the proper height comparison is commendable.
Bloomberg has a bigger hand in things I think.
Bloomberg $ 65.2 billion
Trump $3.1 billion
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:And the proper height comparison is commendable.
Bloomberg has a bigger hand in things I think.
Bloomberg $ 65.2 billion
Trump $3.1 billion
Definitely a bigger hand in things.
Judge Amy Berman Jackson slaps down Donald Trump for attacking the jury in the Roger Stone trial
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/judge-amy-berman-jackson-slaps-down-donald-trump-for-attacking-the-jury-in-the-roger-stone-trial/news-story/8e1b46a1f697850e5c6d5d9c316755ed
Donald Trump has spent weeks complaining about the “tainted” trial of his longtime friend. The judge in the case is running out of patience.
A federal judge in the United States has slapped down President Donald Trump, accusing him of harassing a juror in the trial of his longtime friend Roger Stone.
Late last year, a jury unanimously convicted Stone on seven charges, which included lying to Congress, obstruction of justice and witness tampering.
And last week, Judge Amy Berman Jackson sentenced him to three years and four months in prison. That punishment was substantially lighter than one originally recommended by the prosecution.
But Stone has requested a new trial, alleging one of the jurors misled the court during the jury selection process. The first hearing to consider his request was held today.
dv said:
Judge Amy Berman Jackson slaps down Donald Trump for attacking the jury in the Roger Stone trialhttps://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/judge-amy-berman-jackson-slaps-down-donald-trump-for-attacking-the-jury-in-the-roger-stone-trial/news-story/8e1b46a1f697850e5c6d5d9c316755ed
Donald Trump has spent weeks complaining about the “tainted” trial of his longtime friend. The judge in the case is running out of patience.
A federal judge in the United States has slapped down President Donald Trump, accusing him of harassing a juror in the trial of his longtime friend Roger Stone.
Late last year, a jury unanimously convicted Stone on seven charges, which included lying to Congress, obstruction of justice and witness tampering.
And last week, Judge Amy Berman Jackson sentenced him to three years and four months in prison. That punishment was substantially lighter than one originally recommended by the prosecution.
But Stone has requested a new trial, alleging one of the jurors misled the court during the jury selection process. The first hearing to consider his request was held today.
Trump Engaged In ‘Jury Tampering On A Mass, National Scale’ | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bje6bDZ-Dj4
Donald Trump asked medical experts if coronavirus could be treated with a flu vaccine that already exists at a meeting with pharmaceutical executives on Monday.
The Trump administration called the meeting to discuss early work for developing a vaccine for the virus, which has killed more the 3,000 people and infected nearly 90,000 worldwide.
However, the president appeared to not understand basic information about how a vaccine is tested or produced and had to be repeatedly corrected by public health officials.
When Leonard Schleifer, the CEO of biotechnology company Regeneron, noted that millions of people are vaccinated for the flu, Mr Trump interrupted and asked if the same vaccine could be used for coronavirus.
“You take a solid flu vaccine, you don’t think that would have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?” he said.
“No… probably none,” Mr Schleifer replied.
There is currently no vaccine for the new strain of coronavirus, officially known as Covid-2019, which was first identified in China in December.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-coronavirus-flu-vaccine-us-pandemic-meeting-leonard-schleifer-a9371286.html
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1235411751950221312?s=21&fbclid=IwAR3QnEcLrSkuMRGBQVFDbDlMD4XHlHbn_k9OpVFLR-exqcQo5azhjQRyBf4
In this clip, Trump:
1. Denies WHO’s coronavirus death rate based on “hunch”
2. Calls coronavirus “corona flu”
3. Suggests it’s fine for people w/ Covid-19 to go to work
4. Compares coronavirus to “the regular flu,” indicating he doesn’t get the difference
A federal judge Thursday criticized Attorney General William Barr for his handling of the Mueller report when it was released last spring, saying Barr’s early description of the report didn’t match the special counsel’s actual conclusions.
Judge Reggie Walton asked if Barr’s actions were a “calculated attempt” to help President Donald Trump and opined the attorney general had a “lack of candor” with the public and Congress.
“The Court cannot reconcile certain public representations made by Attorney General Barr with the findings in the Mueller Report,” Walton wrote on Thursday. Barr’s initial publicly announced interpretation of the findings from former special counsel Robert Mueller “cause the Court to seriously question whether Attorney General Barr made a calculated attempt to influence public discourse about the Mueller Report in favor of President Trump despite certain findings in the redacted version of the Mueller Report to the contrary.”
Barr has been under fire for months for his apparent political moves to protect the President and his allies from within the Justice Department.
Walton said he will review the full Mueller report himself to make sure the Justice Department didn’t over-redact it for public release.
“The Court has grave concerns about the objectivity of the process that preceded the public release of the redacted version of the Mueller Report and its impacts on the Department’s subsequent justifications that its redactions of the Mueller Report are authorized by the (Freedom of Information Act),” Walton wrote.
Walton was nominated by President George W. Bush in 2001.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/05/politics/judge-mueller-report-barr/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/05/tech/facebook-trump-census-ads/index.html
Facebook (FB) said Thursday it will remove some ads run by President Donald Trump’s re-election campaign that it says ran afoul of its policies to “prevent confusion around the official US census.”
Facebook had come under fire for allowing the Trump campaign to run ads this week on its platform asking people to “respond now” to an “Official Congressional District Census.”
The US Census Bureau is scheduled to send out mailers about how to respond to the 2020 Census later this month.
The Trump campaign declined to comment.
Earlier on Thursday House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had slammed Facebook for allowing the Trump campaign to run the ads, arguing they violated Facebook’s misleading content policy regarding the census.
Trump Blames (LOL) Obama for Virus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBip64JEXjY
No matter how loyal or craven you are to Trump, no matter how much you abase yourself before his altar, he’ll show you zero loyalty in return.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/06/politics/trump-mulvaney-out/index.html
(CNN)President Donald Trump announced late Friday that he was replacing his acting White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, with Republican Rep. Mark Meadows of North Carolina, a shake-up in the top echelons of the West Wing just as the President confronts a growing public health crisis and girds for reelection.
Meadows, who had previously announced he was leaving Congress, will become Trump’s fourth chief of staff in a little more than three years in office. In a tweet, Trump did not denote him “acting,” a designation Mulvaney never graduated from in the turbulent 14 months he spent in the job.
“I am pleased to announce that Congressman Mark Meadows will become White House Chief of Staff. I have long known and worked with Mark, and the relationship is a very good one,” Trump tweeted Friday just after arriving at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.
Maybe I’m just letting my inner Pollyanna get the better of me but I seem to be a bit more optimistic than the betting markets, which are still favouring the Trump victory.
Republicans 1.80
Democrats 1.90
bet365
Republicans 1.74
Democrats 2.08
beteasy
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Tell you what though, if Trump loses there could be a very interesting and testing period between 3 November and 20 January.
dv said:
Maybe I’m just letting my inner Pollyanna get the better of me but I seem to be a bit more optimistic than the betting markets, which are still favouring the Trump victory.Republicans 1.80
Democrats 1.90
bet365Republicans 1.74
Democrats 2.08
beteasy—-
Tell you what though, if Trump loses there could be a very interesting and testing period between 3 November and 20 January.
Presumably a lot of Democrat voters are putting big money on Trump so they can be happy no matter who wins.
dv said:
Maybe I’m just letting my inner Pollyanna get the better of me but I seem to be a bit more optimistic than the betting markets, which are still favouring the Trump victory.Republicans 1.80
Democrats 1.90
bet365Republicans 1.74
Democrats 2.08
beteasy—-
Tell you what though, if Trump loses there could be a very interesting and testing period between 3 November and 20 January.
I wonder how big the crowd will be at Joe’s inauguration.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Maybe I’m just letting my inner Pollyanna get the better of me but I seem to be a bit more optimistic than the betting markets, which are still favouring the Trump victory.Republicans 1.80
Democrats 1.90
bet365Republicans 1.74
Democrats 2.08
beteasy—-
Tell you what though, if Trump loses there could be a very interesting and testing period between 3 November and 20 January.
I wonder how big the crowd will be at Joe’s inauguration.
More than Trump, less than Obama.
Yamiche Alcindor from PBS NewsHour: “You said that you don’t take responsibility, but you did disband the White House pandemic office. The officials that were working in that office left this administration abruptly. So what responsibility do you take to that? And the officials that worked in that office said that you — that the White House lost valuable time because that office was disbanded. What do you make of that?”
Trump: “Well, I just think it’s a nasty question, because what we’ve done is — and Tony has said numerous times that we’ve saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing. And when you say me, I didn’t do it.”
Alcindor: “It was your administration.”
Trump: “We have a group of people.”
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Fuckin’ hell. It’s a nightmare. The most powerful person alive has zero sense of responsibility.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/13/trump-rejects-blame-coronavirus-problems-he-takes-credit-low-death-toll/
dv said:
Yamiche Alcindor from PBS NewsHour: “You said that you don’t take responsibility, but you did disband the White House pandemic office. The officials that were working in that office left this administration abruptly. So what responsibility do you take to that? And the officials that worked in that office said that you — that the White House lost valuable time because that office was disbanded. What do you make of that?”Trump: “Well, I just think it’s a nasty question, because what we’ve done is — and Tony has said numerous times that we’ve saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing. And when you say me, I didn’t do it.”
Alcindor: “It was your administration.”
Trump: “We have a group of people.”
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Fuckin’ hell. It’s a nightmare. The most powerful person alive has zero sense of responsibility.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/13/trump-rejects-blame-coronavirus-problems-he-takes-credit-low-death-toll/
but people believe him, so it’s all right
Trump fires Michael Atkinson, intelligence IG who told Congress about Ukraine phone call
President Trump has reportedly fired Michael Atkinson, the inspector general for the U.S. intelligence community who alerted Congress to concerns about a Trump phone call with the president of Ukraine – a matter that led to the president’s impeachment last year.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fires-michael-atkinson-intelligence-ig-who-told-congress-about-ukraine-phone-call-report
dv said:
Trump fires Michael Atkinson, intelligence IG who told Congress about Ukraine phone callPresident Trump has reportedly fired Michael Atkinson, the inspector general for the U.S. intelligence community who alerted Congress to concerns about a Trump phone call with the president of Ukraine – a matter that led to the president’s impeachment last year.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fires-michael-atkinson-intelligence-ig-who-told-congress-about-ukraine-phone-call-report
What took him so long?
dv said:
Trump fires Michael Atkinson, intelligence IG who told Congress about Ukraine phone callPresident Trump has reportedly fired Michael Atkinson, the inspector general for the U.S. intelligence community who alerted Congress to concerns about a Trump phone call with the president of Ukraine – a matter that led to the president’s impeachment last year.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fires-michael-atkinson-intelligence-ig-who-told-congress-about-ukraine-phone-call-report
The total of his fired list looks impressive.
I wonder if he does it to feel more in control ?
I’m better than them sort of thing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Trump fires Michael Atkinson, intelligence IG who told Congress about Ukraine phone callPresident Trump has reportedly fired Michael Atkinson, the inspector general for the U.S. intelligence community who alerted Congress to concerns about a Trump phone call with the president of Ukraine – a matter that led to the president’s impeachment last year.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fires-michael-atkinson-intelligence-ig-who-told-congress-about-ukraine-phone-call-report
What took him so long?
so if you go hunting, you may find that our mentions of this have been buried in the other thread, as in
clearly something bigger is going on at the moment, which would drown out the scandal that this is
why not wait for something big to drown out the scandal, before doing something scandalous
Trump fires intelligence community watchdog who defied him on whistleblower complaint
…and….another one falls off his perch….
The White House has lashed out at broadcaster Voice of America (VOA), accusing it of amplifying “Beijing’s propaganda” by quoting China’s official coronavirus statistics in its reporting and publishing footage of celebrations marking the end of Wuhan’s lockdown.
The extraordinary attack on a government-funded news outlet came as the Trump administration and some lawmakers have intensified their criticism of how the Chinese government handled the outbreak.
“VOA too often speaks for America’s adversaries – not its citizens,” said the White House in a Thursday missive, adding that the outlet, which is funded through congressional appropriations, was “promoting propaganda” with taxpayers’ money.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/white-house-accuses-us-broadcaster-213130870.html
dv said:
The White House has lashed out at broadcaster Voice of America (VOA), accusing it of amplifying “Beijing’s propaganda” by quoting China’s official coronavirus statistics in its reporting and publishing footage of celebrations marking the end of Wuhan’s lockdown.The extraordinary attack on a government-funded news outlet came as the Trump administration and some lawmakers have intensified their criticism of how the Chinese government handled the outbreak.
“VOA too often speaks for America’s adversaries – not its citizens,” said the White House in a Thursday missive, adding that the outlet, which is funded through congressional appropriations, was “promoting propaganda” with taxpayers’ money.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/white-house-accuses-us-broadcaster-213130870.html
Are they openly saying that China is their enemy now?
The thing with Trump, I think he reminds me of someone I once met.
Let me tell you a little story.
I was once at school fair, browsing the stalls of trinkets for sale. I found some item I wanted (or felt obliged to buy because it was my old school), and looked around for someone to take my money. A young child stepped forward to take my money. I can’t remember exactly how much it was, it was only a couple dollars, I didn’t have the correct change so I gave him a $5 note. He took the money and then said: “do you want any change/”. I said yes. He went over to the coin tray and selected a few coins at random and offered them to me. I looked at it and said something like “ummm, that’s not the right change”. He says ‘Oh, do you want some more?”, and grabbed another few coins at random. At this point an older child stepped in and took over and gave me the right change. As I walked away I heard them arguing, the older child saying “you don’t get it, they have to add up”.
Sometimes I think Donald Trump is a bit like that kid. He sees grown ups doing things, and just tries to copy what they do. But he doesn’t quite get it.
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-12/trump-biden-us-presdential-election-social-media-data-ads/12070244
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/14/president-trump-made-18000-false-or-misleading-claims-1170-days/
President Trump made 18,000 false or misleading claims in 1,170 days
—-
He’s actually slowing down! There was a time when he was pegging over 20 per day.
Might be saving it for later.
dv said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/14/president-trump-made-18000-false-or-misleading-claims-1170-days/President Trump made 18,000 false or misleading claims in 1,170 days
—-
He’s actually slowing down! There was a time when he was pegging over 20 per day.
Might be saving it for later.
Think he’s stumbling now.
dv said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/14/president-trump-made-18000-false-or-misleading-claims-1170-days/President Trump made 18,000 false or misleading claims in 1,170 days
—-
He’s actually slowing down! There was a time when he was pegging over 20 per day.
Might be saving it for later.
Maybe it’s just that the WP can’t keep up.


Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:
Fergus Laing has a fine head of hair,
When the wind’s in the right direction.
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1252377748841959424?s=19
Yamiche:
“Your language and how your approached coronavirus from the beginning: I interviewed someone who’s family got sick, he said he went to a funeral in mid-March. And they said that mainly because the President wasn’t taking it seriously, he said ‘ if the President had had a mask on, if he was saying that we should stay home, then I would have stayed home for my family members’, he said his family members were sick because they were listening to you. Do you feel like or are you concerned that downplaying the virus maybe got people sick?”
President Trump:
“And a lot of people love Trump, right, a lot of people love me, you see them all the time. I guess I’m hear for a reason. You know? To the best of my knowledge, I won. I think we’re gonna win, I think we’re gonna win a landslide. “
Fucking sociopath. Can’t even pretend to care.
https://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour/watch/trump-says-he-ll-win-2020-in-a-landslide-as-u-s-death-toll-tops-42-000-82317893566
Tau.Neutrino said:
A lot of people compare him to Mussolini.
A couple of points.
1) He’s a lot taller than Mussolini and B) Mussolini had the trains sorted.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tell her about the horse, Dragonfly
Ian said:
No.
Ian said:
Fuck off, commie; I’m going to vote for him again!
sibeen said:
Ian said:
Fuck off, commie; I’m going to vote for him again!
Are you allowed to?
sibeen said:
Ian said:
Fuck off, commie; I’m going to vote for him again!
Bring back the old style womenisers like JFK (but not Clinton)
Tamb said:
sibeen said:
Ian said:
Fuck off, commie; I’m going to vote for him again!
Bring back the old style womenisers like JFK (but not Clinton)
look he might have no useful policies at all but we just didn’t like the personality of the other candidate
According to 538 the latest polls are showing that 49% of Americans disapprove of Trump’s handling of the current crisis. 45% actually approve.
Only 49% – bloody hell.
sibeen said:
According to 538 the latest polls are showing that 49% of Americans disapprove of Trump’s handling of the current crisis. 45% actually approve.Only 49% – bloody hell.
It’s one hell of a barrier test.
sibeen said:
According to 538 the latest polls are showing that 49% of Americans disapprove of Trump’s handling of the current crisis. 45% actually approve.Only 49% – bloody hell.
Makes you wonder about the shape of the bell of the IQ curve, dunnit? I mean…. It’s gunna take a lot to convince me that the 49% are not sub-70.
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
According to 538 the latest polls are showing that 49% of Americans disapprove of Trump’s handling of the current crisis. 45% actually approve.Only 49% – bloody hell.
Makes you wonder about the shape of the bell of the IQ curve, dunnit? I mean…. It’s gunna take a lot to convince me that the 49% are not sub-70.
I would have said the 45% who actually approve of his handling were sub-70; the 49% disapprove.
btm said:
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
According to 538 the latest polls are showing that 49% of Americans disapprove of Trump’s handling of the current crisis. 45% actually approve.Only 49% – bloody hell.
Makes you wonder about the shape of the bell of the IQ curve, dunnit? I mean…. It’s gunna take a lot to convince me that the 49% are not sub-70.
I would have said the 45% who actually approve of his handling were sub-70; the 49% disapprove.
I’m sorry, I clearly couldn’t be fucked reading it properly the first time.
btm said:
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
According to 538 the latest polls are showing that 49% of Americans disapprove of Trump’s handling of the current crisis. 45% actually approve.Only 49% – bloody hell.
Makes you wonder about the shape of the bell of the IQ curve, dunnit? I mean…. It’s gunna take a lot to convince me that the 49% are not sub-70.
I would have said the 45% who actually approve of his handling were sub-70; the 49% disapprove.
Hehehehe.
I’m glad to see that you also pick up others when they stuff up :)
I’m still waiting for the punch line on your bee joke.
sibeen said:
btm said:
Rule 303 said:Makes you wonder about the shape of the bell of the IQ curve, dunnit? I mean…. It’s gunna take a lot to convince me that the 49% are not sub-70.
I would have said the 45% who actually approve of his handling were sub-70; the 49% disapprove.
Hehehehe.
I’m glad to see that you also pick up others when they stuff up :)
I’m still waiting for the punch line on your bee joke.
Seems venomous.
The Trump administration quietly disseminated a memo Thursday, the last step before enacting the announced rule change removing transgender people as a health care protected class. LGBTQ Nation reported that the memo was circulated by the Health and Human Services (HHS) as Coronavirus mortality rates peaked, ravaging at-risk populations.
Snopes Fact Check: Will Health and Human Services Allow Doctors to Refuse to Treat LGBTQ Patients?Politico reported Friday that the Health and Human Services(HHS) department is close to finalizing its long-developing rewrite of Obamacare’s Section 1557 provision, which barred health care discrimination based on sex and gender identity. The administration’s final rule on Thursday was circulated at DOJ, a step toward publicly releasing the regulation in the coming days, said two people with knowledge of the pending rule. The White House on Friday morning also updated a regulatory dashboard to indicate that the rule was under review. Advocates fear that it would allow hospitals and health workers to more easily discriminate against patients based on their gender or sexual orientation.
The Williams Institute published a study this month identifying over half a million Transgender Adults out of a population of approx 1.4 million in the US as at elevated risk from COVID-19.
According to the CDC, those who are over age 65 and those with underlying medical conditions are most at risk of serious COVID-19 illness.
217,000 transgender people are 65 or older 319,000 transgender people have underlying health issues that contribute to higher mortality rates. 137,600 transgender people are uninsured. 450,400 transgender people haven’t seen a doctor last year because they couldn’t afford it. 667,000 transgender people live below 200% of the poverty line. 294,800 transgender adults live alone without family or any mutual support systems.In last year’s proposal, the health department also proposed changes that went further than simply rolling back the new Obama protections, moving to eliminate similar nondiscrimination protections for LGBTQ patients that were contained in other regulations.
“If the final rule is anything like the proposed rule, HHS is adopting changes that would be harmful in the best of times but that are especially cruel in the midst of a global pandemic that is disproportionately affecting vulnerable communities and exacerbating disparities,” said Katie Keith, a lawyer and Georgetown professor who’s tracked the rule.
https://planettransgender.com/trump-treatment-of-covid19-transgender-patients-is-optional/
I wonder whether, on some level, in his heart of hearts, he realises that he was caught bang to rights committing innumerable felonies and only got away with it because of favours by Congressional Republicans
He claimed afterwards that he was being sarcastic again.
It’s been reported that Republican party fund-raisers are having trouble persuading donors to cough up for election funds.
Presumably the donors are wondering whether a Democrat president might not be a better option that four more years of Trump.
dv said:
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I wonder whether, on some level, in his heart of hearts, he realises that he was caught bang to rights committing innumerable felonies and only got away with it because of favours by Congressional Republicans
I don’t think he has a heart of hearts.
captain_spalding said:
It’s been reported that Republican party fund-raisers are having trouble persuading donors to cough up for election funds.Presumably the donors are wondering whether a Democrat president might not be a better option that four more years of Trump.
Where did you hear that?
Last I heard, admittedly before this crisis, Trump had an election fund that outstripped anything the dems had by a very large margin.
party_pants said:
dv said:
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I wonder whether, on some level, in his heart of hearts, he realises that he was caught bang to rights committing innumerable felonies and only got away with it because of favours by Congressional Republicans
I don’t think he has a heart of hearts.
He’s a career conman and habitual liar. No doubt he’s proud of his crimes and even more proud that he gets away with them.
He lies even when it doesn’t offer him any advantage, just in case. It’s characteristic behaviour of compulsive manipulators.
“Why tell the truth if you can lie? Honesty is for losers.”
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
It’s been reported that Republican party fund-raisers are having trouble persuading donors to cough up for election funds.Presumably the donors are wondering whether a Democrat president might not be a better option that four more years of Trump.
Where did you hear that?
Last I heard, admittedly before this crisis, Trump had an election fund that outstripped anything the dems had by a very large margin.
ABC News:
Congressional Republicans are also reporting significant fundraising disadvantages compared to their Democratic opponents, while some Republicans have expressed concerns Mr Trump’s performance could put the US Senate in reach of Democrats.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-27/trumps-disinfectant-comments-coronavirus-briefing-fallout/12188160
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
It’s been reported that Republican party fund-raisers are having trouble persuading donors to cough up for election funds.Presumably the donors are wondering whether a Democrat president might not be a better option that four more years of Trump.
Where did you hear that?
Last I heard, admittedly before this crisis, Trump had an election fund that outstripped anything the dems had by a very large margin.
ABC News:
Congressional Republicans are also reporting significant fundraising disadvantages compared to their Democratic opponents, while some Republicans have expressed concerns Mr Trump’s performance could put the US Senate in reach of Democrats.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-27/trumps-disinfectant-comments-coronavirus-briefing-fallout/12188160
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/16/711812314/tracking-the-money-race-behind-the-presidential-campaign
Doesn’t look too dire for Trump, not with $100B in the bank.
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:Where did you hear that?
Last I heard, admittedly before this crisis, Trump had an election fund that outstripped anything the dems had by a very large margin.
ABC News:
Congressional Republicans are also reporting significant fundraising disadvantages compared to their Democratic opponents, while some Republicans have expressed concerns Mr Trump’s performance could put the US Senate in reach of Democrats.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-27/trumps-disinfectant-comments-coronavirus-briefing-fallout/12188160
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/16/711812314/tracking-the-money-race-behind-the-presidential-campaign
Doesn’t look too dire for Trump, not with $100B in the bank.
Err, $100M.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:ABC News:
Congressional Republicans are also reporting significant fundraising disadvantages compared to their Democratic opponents, while some Republicans have expressed concerns Mr Trump’s performance could put the US Senate in reach of Democrats.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-27/trumps-disinfectant-comments-coronavirus-briefing-fallout/12188160
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/16/711812314/tracking-the-money-race-behind-the-presidential-campaign
Doesn’t look too dire for Trump, not with $100B in the bank.
Err, $100M.
LOL, engineers…
In fairness, to this point Dem donors have spent most of their money towards th primary races of Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg etc. That money will mostly be donated to the Democratic Party.
dv said:
In fairness, to this point Dem donors have spent most of their money towards th primary races of Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg etc. That money will mostly be donated to the Democratic Party.
Warren and Butts spent most of their money and there’s about $10M left between the two of them. Bernie has a bit more to throw into the pot.
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
sibeen said:https://www.npr.org/2019/04/16/711812314/tracking-the-money-race-behind-the-presidential-campaign
Doesn’t look too dire for Trump, not with $100B in the bank.
Err, $100M.
LOL, engineers…
:)
Donald Trump orders his Mexican wall to be painted black at a cost of up to $3 billion more claiming it will make it too hot to touch in summer
The president has said he wanted the steel slats painted black in the past, but officials felt they had talked him out of the pricey endeavor
An estimate shows painting the border barrier will cost between $500 million and $3 billion, depending on the paint
Trump has said he wants it to be a ‘flat’ or ‘matte’ black, which could likely reach the upper end of the cost spectrum
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8293541/Donald-Trump-orders-Mexican-wall-painted-black-cost-3-BILLION-more.html
dv said:
Donald Trump orders his Mexican wall to be painted black at a cost of up to $3 billion more claiming it will make it too hot to touch in summerThe president has said he wanted the steel slats painted black in the past, but officials felt they had talked him out of the pricey endeavor
An estimate shows painting the border barrier will cost between $500 million and $3 billion, depending on the paint
Trump has said he wants it to be a ‘flat’ or ‘matte’ black, which could likely reach the upper end of the cost spectrum
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8293541/Donald-Trump-orders-Mexican-wall-painted-black-cost-3-BILLION-more.html
I see a Mexican wall and I want it painted black.
dv said:
Donald Trump orders his Mexican wall to be painted black at a cost of up to $3 billion more claiming it will make it too hot to touch in summerThe president has said he wanted the steel slats painted black in the past, but officials felt they had talked him out of the pricey endeavor
An estimate shows painting the border barrier will cost between $500 million and $3 billion, depending on the paint
Trump has said he wants it to be a ‘flat’ or ‘matte’ black, which could likely reach the upper end of the cost spectrum
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8293541/Donald-Trump-orders-Mexican-wall-painted-black-cost-3-BILLION-more.html
So he is going for black steel in the hour of chaos?
dv said:
Donald Trump orders his Mexican wall to be painted black at a cost of up to $3 billion more claiming it will make it too hot to touch in summerThe president has said he wanted the steel slats painted black in the past, but officials felt they had talked him out of the pricey endeavor
An estimate shows painting the border barrier will cost between $500 million and $3 billion, depending on the paint
Trump has said he wants it to be a ‘flat’ or ‘matte’ black, which could likely reach the upper end of the cost spectrum
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8293541/Donald-Trump-orders-Mexican-wall-painted-black-cost-3-BILLION-more.html
Imagine all the currently unemployed people who could be re-employed doing this with 3/4 inch (19 mm) paint brushes. The US economy would be out of danger in no time…
sibeen said:
dv said:
Donald Trump orders his Mexican wall to be painted black at a cost of up to $3 billion more claiming it will make it too hot to touch in summerThe president has said he wanted the steel slats painted black in the past, but officials felt they had talked him out of the pricey endeavor
An estimate shows painting the border barrier will cost between $500 million and $3 billion, depending on the paint
Trump has said he wants it to be a ‘flat’ or ‘matte’ black, which could likely reach the upper end of the cost spectrum
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8293541/Donald-Trump-orders-Mexican-wall-painted-black-cost-3-BILLION-more.html
I see a Mexican wall and I want it painted black.
:)
dv said:
Donald Trump orders his Mexican wall to be painted black at a cost of up to $3 billion more claiming it will make it too hot to touch in summerThe president has said he wanted the steel slats painted black in the past, but officials felt they had talked him out of the pricey endeavor
An estimate shows painting the border barrier will cost between $500 million and $3 billion, depending on the paint
Trump has said he wants it to be a ‘flat’ or ‘matte’ black, which could likely reach the upper end of the cost spectrum
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8293541/Donald-Trump-orders-Mexican-wall-painted-black-cost-3-BILLION-more.html
finger in ears lah lah lah lah
furious said:
dv said:
Donald Trump orders his Mexican wall to be painted black at a cost of up to $3 billion more claiming it will make it too hot to touch in summerThe president has said he wanted the steel slats painted black in the past, but officials felt they had talked him out of the pricey endeavor
An estimate shows painting the border barrier will cost between $500 million and $3 billion, depending on the paint
Trump has said he wants it to be a ‘flat’ or ‘matte’ black, which could likely reach the upper end of the cost spectrum
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8293541/Donald-Trump-orders-Mexican-wall-painted-black-cost-3-BILLION-more.html
So he is going for black steel in the hour of chaos?
Excellent reference
dv said:
furious said:
dv said:
Donald Trump orders his Mexican wall to be painted black at a cost of up to $3 billion more claiming it will make it too hot to touch in summerThe president has said he wanted the steel slats painted black in the past, but officials felt they had talked him out of the pricey endeavor
An estimate shows painting the border barrier will cost between $500 million and $3 billion, depending on the paint
Trump has said he wants it to be a ‘flat’ or ‘matte’ black, which could likely reach the upper end of the cost spectrum
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8293541/Donald-Trump-orders-Mexican-wall-painted-black-cost-3-BILLION-more.html
So he is going for black steel in the hour of chaos?
Excellent reference
sentimental matters aside, public works are a valid response to recession
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
furious said:So he is going for black steel in the hour of chaos?
Excellent reference
sentimental matters aside, public works are a valid response to recession
Orange Shitgibbon is the new black.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
furious said:So he is going for black steel in the hour of chaos?
Excellent reference
sentimental matters aside, public works are a valid response to recession
OTOH they should be works that will have real value.
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Excellent reference
sentimental matters aside, public works are a valid response to recession
Orange Shitgibbon is the new black.
I see an orange shitgibbon and I want to paint it black
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Excellent reference
sentimental matters aside, public works are a valid response to recession
OTOH they should be works that will have real value.
indeed, that would be the subtle indication
but it might help the Mexicans with quarantine
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:sentimental matters aside, public works are a valid response to recession
Orange Shitgibbon is the new black.
I see an orange shitgibbon and I want to paint it black
wont see a black shitgibbon standing in the shadows, baby…
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:Orange Shitgibbon is the new black.
I see an orange shitgibbon and I want to paint it black
wont see a black shitgibbon standing in the shadows, baby…
I wonder if Donald Trump can swim…
furious said:
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:I see an orange shitgibbon and I want to paint it black
wont see a black shitgibbon standing in the shadows, baby…
I wonder if Donald Trump can swim…
…someone needs to do the experiment.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:sentimental matters aside, public works are a valid response to recession
OTOH they should be works that will have real value.
indeed, that would be the subtle indication
but it might help the Mexicans with quarantine
implication, sorry, téléphone hax again
furious said:
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:I see an orange shitgibbon and I want to paint it black
wont see a black shitgibbon standing in the shadows, baby…
I wonder if Donald Trump can swim…
You’d have to figure he’s bouyant
dv said:
furious said:
ChrispenEvan said:wont see a black shitgibbon standing in the shadows, baby…
I wonder if Donald Trump can swim…
You’d have to figure he’s bouyant
vacuous
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:sentimental matters aside, public works are a valid response to recession
Orange Shitgibbon is the new black.
I see an orange shitgibbon and I want to paint it black
Jaysus, if you’re going to rip off some well known lyrics can you please try and get them correct.
Annoyed from Essendon
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:Orange Shitgibbon is the new black.
I see an orange shitgibbon and I want to paint it black
Jaysus, if you’re going to rip off some well known lyrics can you please try and get them correct.
Annoyed from Essendon
fucking philistines, sibeen.
Whenever I read about the wall Shitgibbon wants to build I’m reminded of the song from the 1980s that included the lines,
“They built a wall at the border,
Not to keep us out
But to leave no doubt
They’re out of order.”
btm said:
Whenever I read about the wall Shitgibbon wants to build I’m reminded of the song from the 1980s that included the lines,
“They built a wall at the border,
Not to keep us out
But to leave no doubt
They’re out of order.”
Farnsey era LRB
dv said:
furious said:
ChrispenEvan said:wont see a black shitgibbon standing in the shadows, baby…
I wonder if Donald Trump can swim…
You’d have to figure he’s bouyant
Probably weighs less than a duck.
btm said:
Whenever I read about the wall Shitgibbon wants to build I’m reminded of the song from the 1980s that included the lines,
“They built a wall at the border,
Not to keep us out
But to leave no doubt
They’re out of order.”
Why do we build the wall, my children, my children?
Why do we build the wall?
Why do we build the wall?
We build the wall to keep us free
That’s why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
How does the wall keep us free, my children, my children?
How does the wall keep us free?
How does the wall keep us free?
The wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That’s why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
furious said:I wonder if Donald Trump can swim…
You’d have to figure he’s bouyant
Probably weighs less than a duck.
Hard Quiz reminded us last night that Julia Gillard pointed out that you can’t drown a witch.
I don’t know if that applies to whatever sort of paranormal entity Trump is though.
just listening to I can get no, stones, and I always thought it was girlie action, but no it is girl reaction.
The Rev Dodgson said:
btm said:
Whenever I read about the wall Shitgibbon wants to build I’m reminded of the song from the 1980s that included the lines,
“They built a wall at the border,
Not to keep us out
But to leave no doubt
They’re out of order.”
Why do we build the wall, my children, my children?
Why do we build the wall?Why do we build the wall?
We build the wall to keep us free
That’s why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us freeHow does the wall keep us free, my children, my children?
How does the wall keep us free?How does the wall keep us free?
The wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That’s why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:Orange Shitgibbon is the new black.
I see an orange shitgibbon and I want to paint it black
Jaysus, if you’re going to rip off some well known lyrics can you please try and get them correct.
Annoyed from Essendon
No. I will make no effort.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:I see an orange shitgibbon and I want to paint it black
Jaysus, if you’re going to rip off some well known lyrics can you please try and get them correct.
Annoyed from Essendon
No. I will make no effort.
I thought you did that as a stir for deevs.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
btm said:
Whenever I read about the wall Shitgibbon wants to build I’m reminded of the song from the 1980s that included the lines,
“They built a wall at the border,
Not to keep us out
But to leave no doubt
They’re out of order.”
Why do we build the wall, my children, my children?
Why do we build the wall?Why do we build the wall?
We build the wall to keep us free
That’s why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us freeHow does the wall keep us free, my children, my children?
How does the wall keep us free?How does the wall keep us free?
The wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That’s why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
Translated from The East German handbook?
No, written in the USA, to celebrate the Trump presidency.
In 2008
(In case it wasn’t obvious, the words are heavily ironic; it’s a conversation between Hades and his “children”)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why do we build the wall, my children, my children?
Why do we build the wall?Why do we build the wall?
We build the wall to keep us free
That’s why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us freeHow does the wall keep us free, my children, my children?
How does the wall keep us free?How does the wall keep us free?
The wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That’s why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
Translated from The East German handbook?
No, written in the USA, to celebrate the Trump presidency.
In 2008(In case it wasn’t obvious, the words are heavily ironic; it’s a conversation between Hades and his “children”)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why do we build the wall, my children, my children?
Why do we build the wall?Why do we build the wall?
We build the wall to keep us free
That’s why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us freeHow does the wall keep us free, my children, my children?
How does the wall keep us free?How does the wall keep us free?
The wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That’s why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
Translated from The East German handbook?
No, written in the USA, to celebrate the Trump presidency.
In 2008(In case it wasn’t obvious, the words are heavily ironic; it’s a conversation between Hades and his “children”)
Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson.
has anybody read him?
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:Translated from The East German handbook?
No, written in the USA, to celebrate the Trump presidency.
In 2008(In case it wasn’t obvious, the words are heavily ironic; it’s a conversation between Hades and his “children”)
Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson.
has anybody read him?
dv said:
furious said:
ChrispenEvan said:wont see a black shitgibbon standing in the shadows, baby…
I wonder if Donald Trump can swim…
You’d have to figure he’s bouyant
everyone is buoyant eventually, that’s why you have to puncture the lungs and stomach…
Arts said:
dv said:
furious said:I wonder if Donald Trump can swim…
You’d have to figure he’s bouyant
everyone is buoyant eventually, that’s why you have to puncture the lungs and stomach…
I mean… oops
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:You’d have to figure he’s bouyant
Probably weighs less than a duck.
Hard Quiz reminded us last night that Julia Gillard pointed out that you can’t drown a witch.
I don’t know if that applies to whatever sort of paranormal entity Trump is though.
I didn’t know the answer to that one. I did know some of the others.
Arts said:
Arts said:
dv said:You’d have to figure he’s bouyant
everyone is buoyant eventually, that’s why you have to puncture the lungs and stomach…
I mean… oops
You just can’t help yourself. One day you will get caught out, you know…
:)

FTR, T. Roosevelt was a Republican.
captain_spalding said:
FTR, T. Roosevelt was a Republican.
And a great one.
So was Eisenhower.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
FTR, T. Roosevelt was a Republican.
And a great one.
So was Eisenhower.
And Bush. Both of them.
sibeen said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
FTR, T. Roosevelt was a Republican.
And a great one.
So was Eisenhower.
And Bush. Both of them.
Both Republican, both great, or both both?
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
dv said:And a great one.
So was Eisenhower.
And Bush. Both of them.
Both Republican, both great, or both both?
The latter.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:And Bush. Both of them.
Both Republican, both great, or both both?
The latter.
No…wait, the former.
sibeen said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
FTR, T. Roosevelt was a Republican.
And a great one.
So was Eisenhower.
And Bush. Both of them.
And of course Nixon.
Everyone looks like a noble statesman and intellectual giant in superb physical condition compared to El Cuntador
This is a real tweet from Donald Trump’s campaign manager
dv said:
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This is a real tweet from Donald Trump’s campaign manager
He must not have seen the end of ‘Star Wars’ I guess.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
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This is a real tweet from Donald Trump’s campaign manager
He must not have seen the end of ‘Star Wars’ I guess.
Might also not have twigged that the Empire are the baddies
dv said:
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This is a real tweet from Donald Trump’s campaign manager
Not only is the bloke a moron he forgot to activate the play button on the video. Sheesh.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
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This is a real tweet from Donald Trump’s campaign manager
He must not have seen the end of ‘Star Wars’ I guess.
Might also not have twigged that the Empire are the baddies
I think deep down inside Republicans know they are the baddies.
“To me, a racist statement is a racist statement. I don’t like what Donald Trump said. Donald Trump has shown himself to be a showman, I don’t think he is a serious candidate. I think it is a sideshow. It’s not within the mainstream of the candidates.”
“Donald Trump is number two and doesn’t deserve to be there. I appreciate his boldness and I think some of his rhetoric got the base excited, but it is not welcome rhetoric. Some of the things we heard in his speech when he said, when Mexico sends people across the border, they’re sending criminals and rapists and maybe some good people. Look, the GOP doesn’t need to be turning away voters and isolating them. We need to be bringing them into the tent. Donald Trump is the last person who’s going to do that.”
Kayleigh McEnany, Trump’s new Press Secretary, speaking in 2015
Barr intervenes to dismiss Flynn charges.
https://youtu.be/mweLf-wj2Nc
dv said:
Barr intervenes to dismiss Flynn charges.
https://youtu.be/mweLf-wj2Nc
I still believe that the crime of “lying to the FBI” is a fucking travesty.
Have we passed peak Trump yet?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Have we passed peak Trump yet?
“four more years”
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Have we passed peak Trump yet?
“four more years”
kill me now
wait that’s what they’re trying to do
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/may/12/you-know-what-the-is-trump-stumped-on-obamagate-details-video
Days after tweeting about ‘Obamagate’ and accusing his predecessor, Barack Obama, of committing crimes, US president Donald Trump was asked to specify what those exactly were. He replied: ‘Obamagate, it’s been going on for a long time, it’s being going on from even before I got elected and it’s a disgrace that it’s gone on.’ He continued: ‘some terrible things happened and it should never be allowed to happen in our country again.’ When he is again asked what the crime is, Trump says: ‘You know what the crime is.’
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Watch the video.
You’d think he’d at least have some bullshit answer prepared rather than just spouting bullshit off the top of his head.
BUMP
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/12/trump-taxes-scotus-hearing-live
Thanks Sibeen.
sibeen said:
BUMPhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/12/trump-taxes-scotus-hearing-live
Was I supposed to comment? Thanks, I did read it before.
sibeen said:
BUMPhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/12/trump-taxes-scotus-hearing-live
It’ll be another tantrum..
Ian said:
sibeen said:
BUMPhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/12/trump-taxes-scotus-hearing-live
It’ll be another tantrum..
Nice reference
I see Facebook has been interviewing for Donald Trump’s replacement.
https://www.facebook.com/cortez.mack.7/videos/10157045737936817/
British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I’ve Read
“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
A lot more:
https://coming42.livejournal.com/479179.html
“I could tell you hundreds of stories of the stupidity that I have seen. As an example, we make a fighter jet,” the President told Fox News.
“It’s a certain fighter jet, I won’t tell you which, but it happens to be the F-35.
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there’s one of the stories right there
SCIENCE said:
“I could tell you hundreds of stories of the stupidity that I have seen. As an example, we make a fighter jet,” the President told Fox News.“It’s a certain fighter jet, I won’t tell you which, but it happens to be the F-35.
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there’s one of the stories right there
We need to start a rumour about cancelleation of our F-.35s and that we are looking at Tyhoons, Raffales or Gripens as a replacement; even Su-37s or Mig-35s.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
“I could tell you hundreds of stories of the stupidity that I have seen. As an example, we make a fighter jet,” the President told Fox News.“It’s a certain fighter jet, I won’t tell you which, but it happens to be the F-35.
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there’s one of the stories right there
We need to start a rumour about cancelleation of our F-.35s and that we are looking at Tyhoons, Raffales or Gripens as a replacement; even Su-37s or Mig-35s.
The internet conspirinauts are convinced anything Russian is the better equipment especially the Su-37. I think it’s just the spirit of contraryiness.
AwesomeO said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
“I could tell you hundreds of stories of the stupidity that I have seen. As an example, we make a fighter jet,” the President told Fox News.“It’s a certain fighter jet, I won’t tell you which, but it happens to be the F-35.
—
there’s one of the stories right there
We need to start a rumour about cancelleation of our F-.35s and that we are looking at Tyhoons, Raffales or Gripens as a replacement; even Su-37s or Mig-35s.
The internet conspirinauts are convinced anything Russian is the better equipment especially the Su-37. I think it’s just the spirit of contraryiness.
Oh no, they’re probably shit in anything but a close range dogfight using cannons. Where they have thrust vectoring.
.Trump says truckers protesting industry problems are actually honking to support him
Washington (CNN)When blaring truck horns intruded on President Donald Trump’s Friday speech in the White House Rose Garden about the search for a coronavirus vaccine, Trump claimed that this was the sound of a pro-Trump protest.
“And you hear that outside, that beautiful sound — those are truckers that are with us all the way. They are protesting in favor of President Trump, as opposed to against,” Trump said. “There’s hundreds of trucks out there, and that’s the sign of love. Not the sign of your typical protest. So I want to thank our great truckers. They like me and I like them.”
At another Rose Garden speech later in the day, Trump said, “Those are friendly truckers. They’re on our side. It’s almost a celebration, in a way.”
Trump had made a similar claim about the protesters in an interview he taped Wednesdaywith Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. When Trump asked Bartiromo if she knew what the sound in the background was, she correctly said, “Trucking protesters, right?” Trump responded, “Well, they’re not protesters. They’re supporters of me.”
Facts First: All three of Trump’s claims were false. The truckers who have lined streets near the White House since May 1 are indeed protesters, not people holding any kind of celebration — and they are protesting a variety of issues affecting their jobs, not protesting in favor of Trump. In fact, one of their complaints is about what they say is lax federal enforcement of a regulation requiring more transparency from freight brokers.
The truckers’ grievances are numerous and varied. They include what they say are unfairly low freight rates during the coronavirus pandemic, price-gouging by the brokers, ill-conceived safety regulations and permissive federal attitudes toward the autonomous vehicles that threaten their occupation.
Greg Anderson, who said he has been in the trucking business for 33 years, told CNN earlier on Friday that Trump had “lied on national television” with his remark to Bartiromo about how the protesters are not protesters at all
This is a protest,” Anderson said. “Mr. Trump elaborated that we were here to support him. Our message to him would be this is a protest against bad regulation, broker transparency, truck insurance, so on and so forth. This is not here to support Trump. We’re here to get resolution and bring awareness to our problem and fix our problems.”
Recent trucker protests in other cities have raised issues similar to the ones being discussed in Washington.
It’s all about ObamaGate now!
Witty Rejoinder said:
It’s all about ObamaGate now!
Is that about how President Trump claims that Obama’s government didn’t do anything to prepare for an epidemic that President Trump claims that no-one could have foreseen?
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
It’s all about ObamaGate now!
Is that about how President Trump claims that Obama’s government didn’t do anything to prepare for an epidemic that President Trump claims that no-one could have foreseen?
No it’s far more insidious. The out-going Obama administration colluded with the security services to take down Trump and in particular his Russia friendly national security advisor Michael Flynn. It’s huge. It the greatest scandal in US history. Watch Fox and you’ll hear all about it!!!
Witty Rejoinder said:
No it’s far more insidious. The out-going Obama administration colluded with the security services to take down Trump and in particular his Russia friendly national security advisor Michael Flynn. It’s huge. It the greatest scandal in US history. Watch Fox and you’ll hear all about it!!!
That must have been the easiest scheme in history.
With the cast of of greedy, egotistical, self-serving, underhanded lackeys that made up thew Trump retinue, the whole plan would have consisted of open a beer, put the feet up, sit back, and watch.
Donald Trump’s finances
The Supreme Court will not agree on the president’s taxes
Donald Trump could yet keep his finances out of the newspapers
United States
May 14th 2020 edition
The separation of powers, the founders’ bulwark against tyranny, is not what it might seem. As James Madison explained in the Federalist Papers No. 47, the idea is not to keep the legislative, executive and judicial departments “absolutely separate and distinct”. Rather, Madison wrote, each must exercise a measure of “control” or “agency” over its fellow branches. Negotiating the overlapping portions of the Venn diagram has often fallen to the judiciary, as it did on May 12th, when the Supreme Court took up two challenges to President Donald Trump’s quest to keep his taxes and other financial records secret.
Mr Trump is the first president since Richard Nixon to refuse to share at least some tax information with the American people. But in April 2019, with the Democrats back in control of the House of Representatives, three congressional committees subpoenaed years of papers from Mr Trump’s banks and his accounting firm. A few months later Cyrus Vance, Manhattan’s district attorney, sought similar records for a grand-jury investigation into Mr Trump’s alleged hush-money payoffs to an adult film star and a Playboy model before the election in 2016. Lower courts rejected Mr Trump’s pleas to block the subpoenas, leaving the nine justices with the final say.
The first pair of cases, argued by telephone (the court is not meeting in person during the pandemic), concerned House subpoenas to Capital One and Deutsche Bank, two of Mr Trump’s lenders, and Mazars usa, his accountant. The Oversight Committee had demanded documents to help it consider revising government ethics laws. The Intelligence and Financial Services Committees said they wanted to investigate money-laundering and foreign interference in the 2016 election.
Patrick Strawbridge, Mr Trump’s lawyer, described the House efforts as a “dragnet”. He seemed to raise the eyebrows of Chief Justice John Roberts, though, when he cast doubt on all congressional oversight of presidents. “Quite frankly,” Mr Strawbridge said, “the House has limited powers to regulate the presidency itself.” Jeff Wall, supporting Mr Trump from the Department of Justice, added that the subpoenas were designed to “undermine the president” and the House had not “even come close” to explaining why it needs the documents.
The House’s lawyer, Douglas Letter, seemed to have precedent on his side. In 1927 the court observed that the “power to secure needed information…has long been treated as an attribute of the power to legislate.” And in 1974 it unanimously ordered Nixon to comply with a subpoena for his White House tapes. But when pressed to identify a limit on Congress’s subpoena power, Mr Letter faltered. Justice Samuel Alito, one of the court’s most skilful questioners, backed him into a Socratic corner. There is “really no protection”, he asked, “preventing the harassment of a president”, because subpoenas require only a “conceivable legislative purpose, and you can’t think of a single example of a subpoena that wouldn’t meet that test?”
Justice Elena Kagan sought to elicit more persuasive responses from Mr Letter and vividly depicted Mr Trump’s request as placing a “ten-ton weight on the scales between the president and Congress”. Yet even Justice Stephen Breyer, a member of the liberal wing, worried that the House subpoenas might be unduly burdensome. He was bothered, he said, by the prospect of a red-baiting “future Senator McCarthy” haranguing “a future Franklin Roosevelt”.
When rulings arrive this summer, Mr Trump may win a majority in Trump v Mazars—keeping his finances out of the newspapers, for now. But he seems likely to lose Trump v Vance, the clash over the New York subpoena (if so, only the grand jury would be privy to Mr Trump’s records while he remains in office). In Vance, Jay Sekulow, Mr Trump’s lawyer, offered a royalist vision of the presidency shielded by “absolute immunity” from criminal investigation. But he struggled to explain how, in 1997, the court could unanimously order Bill Clinton to appear for depositions in a sexual-harassment suit, whereas a grand jury probing Mr Trump’s alleged payoffs to paramours was constitutionally barred from peeking at the president’s papers.
Noel Francisco, the solicitor-general, defended Mr Trump on somewhat less outlandish grounds. Carey Dunne, ably representing Mr Vance, argued that the investigation was “well within the scope of legal process permitted by this court” since 1807. If the justices side with Mr Trump, Mr Dunne warned, presidents may wind up unchecked and “above the law”. ■
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/05/14/the-supreme-court-will-not-agree-on-the-presidents-taxes?
For anyone interested in WTF the ObamaGate conspiracy theory is about there is a good rundown on ‘Planet America’s Fireside Chat’ on ABC News 24 at 1.15pm AET.
A kakistocracy is a system of government that is run by the worst, least qualified, and/or most unscrupulous citizens.
sibeen said:
A kakistocracy is a system of government that is run by the worst, least qualified, and/or most unscrupulous citizens.
Interesting. I’ve only ever seen it spelled Kakocracy.
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
A kakistocracy is a system of government that is run by the worst, least qualified, and/or most unscrupulous citizens.
Interesting. I’ve only ever seen it spelled Kakocracy.
Both are cromulent.
sibeen said:
A kakistocracy is a system of government that is run by the worst, least qualified, and/or most unscrupulous citizens.
kaka – meaning shit in some European languages?
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
A kakistocracy is a system of government that is run by the worst, least qualified, and/or most unscrupulous citizens.
kaka – meaning shit in some European languages?
kakistos, Greek for worst
dv said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
A kakistocracy is a system of government that is run by the worst, least qualified, and/or most unscrupulous citizens.
kaka – meaning shit in some European languages?
kakistos, Greek for worst
Having said that: the Greek word kakistos may be related to the words meaning shit.
The origin is unknown, possibly connected with Proto-Indo-European root *kakka- (“to defecate”). Compare κακκάω (kakkáō). Also compare Phrygian κακον (kakon, “harm”) and Albanian keq (“bad”).
dv said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
A kakistocracy is a system of government that is run by the worst, least qualified, and/or most unscrupulous citizens.
kaka – meaning shit in some European languages?
kakistos, Greek for worst
Well there you go. It’s all Greek to me.
kack was shit when i was a kid. kacky brown was shit brown. we always thought it came from khaki.
When The U.S. President Represents A Global Health Crisis | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvgQ5LwqRr8
Law Firm Ransomware Hackers Threaten to Leak Trump Info
https://pagesix.com/2020/05/14/la-law-firm-hackers-double-ransom-demand-threaten-donald-trump/
Last week, ransomware hackers struck a law firm that has an extensive celebrity clientele list. The group known as REvil locked up the files Grubman Shire Meiselas & Sacks, claimed to have stolen 756 gigabytes of data, and demanded a $21 million ransom to restore order. The hackers further threatened to leak the files they had stolen if the firm refused to pay. Which it has. That brings us to this week, when REvil not only doubled the ransom to $42 million, but leaked what it says are 2.4 GB worth of Lady Gaga’s legal documents. Take this next part comes with a grain of salt, or even a boulder: The hackers also said they had “dirty laundry” on Donald Trump, that they would release in a week if they weren’t paid. Trump has apparently never been a GSMS client, though, making it entirely possible or even likely that REvil is bluffing. Given that GSMS has steadfastly refused to pay up, we should know for sure in a few days either way.
I’ll throw it in here, Witty
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1557140
Subject: re: May Chat
Far-left news organisation dismissing Russia-gate investigations. The shame!
https://theintercept.com/2020/05/14/new-documents-from-the-sham-prosecution-of-gen-michael-flynn-also-reveal-broad-corruption-in-the-russiagate-investigations/?
Speaking of articles, no one commented on the Gruins “Trump’s latest attack shows endless obsession with Obama“.
AwesomeO said:
Speaking of articles, no one commented on the Gruins “Trump’s latest attack shows endless obsession with Obama“.
Doesn’t seem that commentworthy, at first sight.
The Rev Dodgson said:
AwesomeO said:
Speaking of articles, no one commented on the Gruins “Trump’s latest attack shows endless obsession with Obama“.
Doesn’t seem that commentworthy, at first sight.
I mean, I’ll do it if you need it to happen.
“The Guardian makes some obvious points about Trump’s psyche. Honestly though his insecurities about his predecessor are almost charming in comparison to some of his other traits.”
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
AwesomeO said:
Speaking of articles, no one commented on the Gruins “Trump’s latest attack shows endless obsession with Obama“.
Doesn’t seem that commentworthy, at first sight.
I mean, I’ll do it if you need it to happen.
“The Guardian makes some obvious points about Trump’s psyche. Honestly though his insecurities about his predecessor are almost charming in comparison to some of his other traits.”
Its not as funny when its forced.

Trump Says He Is Thinking Of Restoring Some U.S. Funding To The World Health Organisation
Why didn’t President Stupid just leave the WHO funding alone?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trump Says He Is Thinking Of Restoring Some U.S. Funding To The World Health OrganisationWhy didn’t President Stupid just leave the WHO funding alone?
because when you Take It Away Then Give It Back you look like a Tough Guy as well as a Good Guy think about it
We apologise for all the good news but there’s also this.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-19/trump-fired-inspector-general-pompeo-asked/12261836
US President Donald Trump has confirmed he fired State Department inspector-general Steve Linick at the request of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, amid revelations Mr Pompeo’s handling of massive military sales to Saudi Arabia is under investigation.
He said he did not believe there was a conflict of interest, given Mr Linick was investigating Mr Pompeo.
Mr Pompeo told the Washington Post he had asked Mr Trump to fire Mr Linick, while declining to describe specific concerns.
He said no reason had to be given, contradicting Congress’s interpretation of the inspector-general law.
Mr Trump has replaced Mr Linick with Stephen Akard, an official in charge of the Office of Foreign Missions considered a close ally of Vice-President Mike Pence.
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Question: at what point will the corruption be so great that any future government, even if (say) there were significant change later this year, be unable to arrest it?
We accept that the answer may well be “they passed that point ages ago” but hoping someone better versed in these matters may be able to enlighten us.
SCIENCE said:
We apologise for all the good news but there’s also this.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-19/trump-fired-inspector-general-pompeo-asked/12261836
US President Donald Trump has confirmed he fired State Department inspector-general Steve Linick at the request of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, amid revelations Mr Pompeo’s handling of massive military sales to Saudi Arabia is under investigation.
He said he did not believe there was a conflict of interest, given Mr Linick was investigating Mr Pompeo.
Mr Pompeo told the Washington Post he had asked Mr Trump to fire Mr Linick, while declining to describe specific concerns.
He said no reason had to be given, contradicting Congress’s interpretation of the inspector-general law.
Mr Trump has replaced Mr Linick with Stephen Akard, an official in charge of the Office of Foreign Missions considered a close ally of Vice-President Mike Pence.
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Question: at what point will the corruption be so great that any future government, even if (say) there were significant change later this year, be unable to arrest it?
We accept that the answer may well be “they passed that point ages ago” but hoping someone better versed in these matters may be able to enlighten us.
One does wonder if it will get to the point the corruption is so blatant and open but no one cares anymore and its no use trying to doing anything as everyone is protected.
DONALD TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN to change the subject from the coronavirus pandemic took a bizarre turn on Thursday, as the president paused during a speech at a Ford Motor Company plant in Michigan to praise the “good bloodlines” of the family descended from the firm’s founder, Henry Ford, a notorious anti-Semite and favorite of Adolf Hitler.
In an apparent ad-lib, Trump looked up from his prepared remarks — which praised the firm for teaming up with General Electric to produce ventilators and face shields for medical workers — to observe that Henry Ford’s descendants, like the current chairman, Bill Ford, who had introduced the president, have “good blood.”
“The company founded by a man named Henry Ford,” Trump’s prepared text appeared to say, “teamed up with the company founded by Thomas Edison — that’s General Electric.” But when Trump came to Ford’s name, he looked up from the text and observed: “good bloodlines, good bloodlines — if you believe in that stuff, you got good blood.”
Trump has made no secret of his own belief that he inherited everything from intelligence to an ability to withstand pressure through the “great genes” passed on to him by his parents and grandparents. He has also frequently compared the importance of “good bloodlines” in humans to the breeding of champion racehorses, a view that overlaps in uncomfortable ways with those of eugenicists and racists like Ford.
“I’m proud to have that German blood,” Trump once told an interviewer. “You’ve all got such good bloodlines,” Trump reportedly told British business leaders at a dinner in 2018. “You’ve all got such amazing DNA.”
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https://theintercept.com/2020/05/22/trump-hails-good-bloodlines-henry-ford-whose-anti-semitism-inspired-hitler/
dv said:
DONALD TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN to change the subject from the coronavirus pandemic took a bizarre turn on Thursday, as the president paused during a speech at a Ford Motor Company plant in Michigan to praise the “good bloodlines” of the family descended from the firm’s founder, Henry Ford, a notorious anti-Semite and favorite of Adolf Hitler.In an apparent ad-lib, Trump looked up from his prepared remarks — which praised the firm for teaming up with General Electric to produce ventilators and face shields for medical workers — to observe that Henry Ford’s descendants, like the current chairman, Bill Ford, who had introduced the president, have “good blood.”
“The company founded by a man named Henry Ford,” Trump’s prepared text appeared to say, “teamed up with the company founded by Thomas Edison — that’s General Electric.” But when Trump came to Ford’s name, he looked up from the text and observed: “good bloodlines, good bloodlines — if you believe in that stuff, you got good blood.”
Trump has made no secret of his own belief that he inherited everything from intelligence to an ability to withstand pressure through the “great genes” passed on to him by his parents and grandparents. He has also frequently compared the importance of “good bloodlines” in humans to the breeding of champion racehorses, a view that overlaps in uncomfortable ways with those of eugenicists and racists like Ford.
“I’m proud to have that German blood,” Trump once told an interviewer. “You’ve all got such good bloodlines,” Trump reportedly told British business leaders at a dinner in 2018. “You’ve all got such amazing DNA.”
—
https://theintercept.com/2020/05/22/trump-hails-good-bloodlines-henry-ford-whose-anti-semitism-inspired-hitler/
Jeez, you just never let up on the poor, benighted President.
:)
sibeen said:
dv said:
DONALD TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN to change the subject from the coronavirus pandemic took a bizarre turn on Thursday, as the president paused during a speech at a Ford Motor Company plant in Michigan to praise the “good bloodlines” of the family descended from the firm’s founder, Henry Ford, a notorious anti-Semite and favorite of Adolf Hitler.In an apparent ad-lib, Trump looked up from his prepared remarks — which praised the firm for teaming up with General Electric to produce ventilators and face shields for medical workers — to observe that Henry Ford’s descendants, like the current chairman, Bill Ford, who had introduced the president, have “good blood.”
“The company founded by a man named Henry Ford,” Trump’s prepared text appeared to say, “teamed up with the company founded by Thomas Edison — that’s General Electric.” But when Trump came to Ford’s name, he looked up from the text and observed: “good bloodlines, good bloodlines — if you believe in that stuff, you got good blood.”
Trump has made no secret of his own belief that he inherited everything from intelligence to an ability to withstand pressure through the “great genes” passed on to him by his parents and grandparents. He has also frequently compared the importance of “good bloodlines” in humans to the breeding of champion racehorses, a view that overlaps in uncomfortable ways with those of eugenicists and racists like Ford.
“I’m proud to have that German blood,” Trump once told an interviewer. “You’ve all got such good bloodlines,” Trump reportedly told British business leaders at a dinner in 2018. “You’ve all got such amazing DNA.”
—
https://theintercept.com/2020/05/22/trump-hails-good-bloodlines-henry-ford-whose-anti-semitism-inspired-hitler/
Jeez, you just never let up on the poor, benighted President.
:)
tall poppy syndrome.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
DONALD TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN to change the subject from the coronavirus pandemic took a bizarre turn on Thursday, as the president paused during a speech at a Ford Motor Company plant in Michigan to praise the “good bloodlines” of the family descended from the firm’s founder, Henry Ford, a notorious anti-Semite and favorite of Adolf Hitler.In an apparent ad-lib, Trump looked up from his prepared remarks — which praised the firm for teaming up with General Electric to produce ventilators and face shields for medical workers — to observe that Henry Ford’s descendants, like the current chairman, Bill Ford, who had introduced the president, have “good blood.”
“The company founded by a man named Henry Ford,” Trump’s prepared text appeared to say, “teamed up with the company founded by Thomas Edison — that’s General Electric.” But when Trump came to Ford’s name, he looked up from the text and observed: “good bloodlines, good bloodlines — if you believe in that stuff, you got good blood.”
Trump has made no secret of his own belief that he inherited everything from intelligence to an ability to withstand pressure through the “great genes” passed on to him by his parents and grandparents. He has also frequently compared the importance of “good bloodlines” in humans to the breeding of champion racehorses, a view that overlaps in uncomfortable ways with those of eugenicists and racists like Ford.
“I’m proud to have that German blood,” Trump once told an interviewer. “You’ve all got such good bloodlines,” Trump reportedly told British business leaders at a dinner in 2018. “You’ve all got such amazing DNA.”
—
https://theintercept.com/2020/05/22/trump-hails-good-bloodlines-henry-ford-whose-anti-semitism-inspired-hitler/
Jeez, you just never let up on the poor, benighted President.
:)
tall poppy syndrome.
Probably it.
Sleepy woke up overnight and made a speech.
It was a terrific speech.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
DONALD TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN to change the subject from the coronavirus pandemic took a bizarre turn on Thursday, as the president paused during a speech at a Ford Motor Company plant in Michigan to praise the “good bloodlines” of the family descended from the firm’s founder, Henry Ford, a notorious anti-Semite and favorite of Adolf Hitler.In an apparent ad-lib, Trump looked up from his prepared remarks — which praised the firm for teaming up with General Electric to produce ventilators and face shields for medical workers — to observe that Henry Ford’s descendants, like the current chairman, Bill Ford, who had introduced the president, have “good blood.”
“The company founded by a man named Henry Ford,” Trump’s prepared text appeared to say, “teamed up with the company founded by Thomas Edison — that’s General Electric.” But when Trump came to Ford’s name, he looked up from the text and observed: “good bloodlines, good bloodlines — if you believe in that stuff, you got good blood.”
Trump has made no secret of his own belief that he inherited everything from intelligence to an ability to withstand pressure through the “great genes” passed on to him by his parents and grandparents. He has also frequently compared the importance of “good bloodlines” in humans to the breeding of champion racehorses, a view that overlaps in uncomfortable ways with those of eugenicists and racists like Ford.
“I’m proud to have that German blood,” Trump once told an interviewer. “You’ve all got such good bloodlines,” Trump reportedly told British business leaders at a dinner in 2018. “You’ve all got such amazing DNA.”
—
https://theintercept.com/2020/05/22/trump-hails-good-bloodlines-henry-ford-whose-anti-semitism-inspired-hitler/
Jeez, you just never let up on the poor, benighted President.
:)
tall poppy syndrome.
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:Jeez, you just never let up on the poor, benighted President.
:)
tall poppy syndrome.
he loves the attention
#davidpakmanshow #trump #obama
Petulant Child Trump Won’t Unveil Obama Portrait at White House
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au45u38QrZE
sarahs mum said:
#davidpakmanshow #trump #obama
Petulant Child Trump Won’t Unveil Obama Portrait at White Househttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au45u38QrZE
There must be millions of people who voted for him in 2016 who now recognise that they made a huge mistake – that, no matter what, Hilary would have been a far better choice.
The problem is: can they admit it, even to themselves? Will they vote for Trump this time around rather than admit, even in their own minds, that they got it wrong?
I fear that they wont.
And we talk about the desire of Asian people to ‘save face’.
Ignoring Science during a Pandemic Is Poor Leadership
The U.S. president’s hostility to expertise puts us all in danger
more…
Tau.Neutrino said:
Ignoring Science Is Poor Leadershipbroad population based hostility to expertise puts us all in danger
more…
fixed
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:#davidpakmanshow #trump #obama
Petulant Child Trump Won’t Unveil Obama Portrait at White Househttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au45u38QrZE
There must be millions of people who voted for him in 2016 who now recognise that they made a huge mistake – that, no matter what, Hilary would have been a far better choice.
The problem is: can they admit it, even to themselves? Will they vote for Trump this time around rather than admit, even in their own minds, that they got it wrong?
I fear that they wont.
And we talk about the desire of Asian people to ‘save face’.
escalation of commitment shows noble dedication
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:#davidpakmanshow #trump #obama
Petulant Child Trump Won’t Unveil Obama Portrait at White Househttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au45u38QrZE
There must be millions of people who voted for him in 2016 who now recognise that they made a huge mistake – that, no matter what, Hilary would have been a far better choice.
The problem is: can they admit it, even to themselves? Will they vote for Trump this time around rather than admit, even in their own minds, that they got it wrong?
I fear that they wont.
And we talk about the desire of Asian people to ‘save face’.
escalation of commitment shows noble dedication
That’s what they always tell cannon-fodder.
Chris Hayes: Trump Has Failed Us, But We Shouldn’t Fail Each Other | All In | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEsTWAwIBRA
Widower asks Twitter to delete Trump’s ‘horrifying’ lies about wife’s death
Twitter says it won’t delete tweets in which the president spreads lie that Joe Scarborough was involved in Lori Klausutis’s death
The husband of a woman whose 2001 death Donald Trump has repeatedly used for a political smear has demanded that Twitter take down tweets in which the president spreads the “horrifying” lie that the woman was murdered.
In a letter to the Twitter chief executive, Jack Dorsey, published on Tuesday by the New York Times, Timothy Klausutis made a heartfelt plea: “Please delete those tweets … My wife deserves better.”
Twitter said it would not delete the tweets.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/may/26/lori-klausutis-husband-asks-twitter-delete-trump-joe-scarborough-smears-death
Washington (CNN Business)For the first time, Twitter called tweets from Donald Trump “potentially misleading” — a decision that prompted the president to accuse the social media platform of election meddling.
On Tuesday, Twitter highlighted two of Trump’s tweets that falsely claimed mail-in ballots would lead to widespread voter fraud, appending a message the company has introduced to combat misinformation and disputed or unverified claims.
“Get the facts about mail-in ballots,” read the message beneath each tweet. It linked to a curated fact-check page the platform had created filled with further links and summaries of news articles debunking the assertion.
Twitter said the move was aimed at providing “context” around Trump’s remarks. But Twitter’s unprecedented decision is likely to raise further questions about its willingness to consistently apply the label to other Trump tweets that have been deemed misleading by third parties, particularly as the president has lobbed baseless allegations against former Rep. Joe Scarborough regarding the death of a congressional staffer years ago.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/26/tech/twitter-trump-fact-check/index.html
White House says Trump will sign an executive order on social media
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Wednesday she could not get ahead of the president to explain the purpose and intent of the order, but confirmed it would be coming then.
Earlier Wednesday, Trump warned social media giants that the federal government could “strongly regulate” or “close them down” if they continue to “silence conservative voices,” amid his flaring battle with Twitter after the platform fact-checked one of his tweets for the first time this week.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-trump-will-sign-executive-order-social-media?fbclid=IwAR0IPMTPlGYjAaoYkby8WWC4D6y1R31×5zTbf_XZl6-ce574BC0hTF07aw4
dv said:
White House says Trump will sign an executive order on social mediaWhite House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Wednesday she could not get ahead of the president to explain the purpose and intent of the order, but confirmed it would be coming then.
Earlier Wednesday, Trump warned social media giants that the federal government could “strongly regulate” or “close them down” if they continue to “silence conservative voices,” amid his flaring battle with Twitter after the platform fact-checked one of his tweets for the first time this week.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-trump-will-sign-executive-order-social-media?fbclid=IwAR0IPMTPlGYjAaoYkby8WWC4D6y1R31×5zTbf_XZl6-ce574BC0hTF07aw4
Excellent news. I look forward to the end of social media.
party_pants said:
dv said:
White House says Trump will sign an executive order on social mediaWhite House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Wednesday she could not get ahead of the president to explain the purpose and intent of the order, but confirmed it would be coming then.
Earlier Wednesday, Trump warned social media giants that the federal government could “strongly regulate” or “close them down” if they continue to “silence conservative voices,” amid his flaring battle with Twitter after the platform fact-checked one of his tweets for the first time this week.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-trump-will-sign-executive-order-social-media?fbclid=IwAR0IPMTPlGYjAaoYkby8WWC4D6y1R31×5zTbf_XZl6-ce574BC0hTF07aw4
Excellent news. I look forward to the end of social media.
Always a silver lining.
https://utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/today-at-utah-policy/23932-poll-donald-trump-leads-biden-by-just-3-points-in-utah
Poll: Donald Trump leads Biden by just 3 points in Utah
The last time Utah voted for a Democrat for president was Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1964. The Beehive State’s 56-year streak of voting for Republicans for president may be in real danger according to a new poll.
The UtahPolicy.com/KUTV 2 News survey conducted by Y2 Analytics finds Republican Donald Trump leading presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden by just 3 points, 44-41 percent. 8 percent of likely voters say they would support a third-party candidate. 5 percent were undecided while 1 percent picked another candidate.
dv said:
White House says Trump will sign an executive order on social mediaWhite House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Wednesday she could not get ahead of the president to explain the purpose and intent of the order, but confirmed it would be coming then.
Earlier Wednesday, Trump warned social media giants that the federal government could “strongly regulate” or “close them down” if they continue to “silence conservative voices,” amid his flaring battle with Twitter after the platform fact-checked one of his tweets for the first time this week.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-trump-will-sign-executive-order-social-media?fbclid=IwAR0IPMTPlGYjAaoYkby8WWC4D6y1R31×5zTbf_XZl6-ce574BC0hTF07aw4
Ha!

dv said:
You say it best when you say nothing at all.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-29/donald-trump-challenges-protections-for-social-media-companies/12299024
pseudolegal censorship in the United States of American Reich begins
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-29/donald-trump-challenges-protections-for-social-media-companies/12299024pseudolegal censorship in the United States of American Reich begins
The man who’s a high arsehole
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-retweet-cowboys/
Did Trump Retweet a Video Saying ‘The Only Good Democrat is a Dead Democrat?’
The original comment was made by a public official in New Mexico.
BETHANIA PALMA
PUBLISHED 28 MAY 2020

dv said:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-retweet-cowboys/Did Trump Retweet a Video Saying ‘The Only Good Democrat is a Dead Democrat?’
The original comment was made by a public official in New Mexico.BETHANIA PALMA
PUBLISHED 28 MAY 2020
Seems that there’s no end to his dreadful nonsense.
Michael V said:
dv said:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-retweet-cowboys/Did Trump Retweet a Video Saying ‘The Only Good Democrat is a Dead Democrat?’
The original comment was made by a public official in New Mexico.BETHANIA PALMA
PUBLISHED 28 MAY 2020
Seems that there’s no end to his dreadful nonsense.
Mr Trump is obviously much better at getting people to vote him president of the USA than I am. In fact there are only a handful of people in the World who can claim greater success at that particular task.
Nonetheless, that does seem a strange way of getting people who voted Dem last time to vote for him this time.
Still, not as bad as calling Republican voters “deplorables” I suppose.
Something about Nero fiddling while Rome burned.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-retweet-cowboys/Did Trump Retweet a Video Saying ‘The Only Good Democrat is a Dead Democrat?’
The original comment was made by a public official in New Mexico.BETHANIA PALMA
PUBLISHED 28 MAY 2020
Seems that there’s no end to his dreadful nonsense.
Mr Trump is obviously much better at getting people to vote him president of the USA than I am. In fact there are only a handful of people in the World who can claim greater success at that particular task.
Nonetheless, that does seem a strange way of getting people who voted Dem last time to vote for him this time.
Still, not as bad as calling Republican voters “deplorables” I suppose.
What’s difficult about getting right wing extremists to step a little more to the right ¿
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Seems that there’s no end to his dreadful nonsense.
Mr Trump is obviously much better at getting people to vote him president of the USA than I am. In fact there are only a handful of people in the World who can claim greater success at that particular task.
Nonetheless, that does seem a strange way of getting people who voted Dem last time to vote for him this time.
Still, not as bad as calling Republican voters “deplorables” I suppose.
What’s difficult about getting right wing extremists to step a little more to the right ¿
I mean surely they run out of room eventually
dv said:
https://utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/today-at-utah-policy/23932-poll-donald-trump-leads-biden-by-just-3-points-in-utahPoll: Donald Trump leads Biden by just 3 points in Utah
The last time Utah voted for a Democrat for president was Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1964. The Beehive State’s 56-year streak of voting for Republicans for president may be in real danger according to a new poll.
The UtahPolicy.com/KUTV 2 News survey conducted by Y2 Analytics finds Republican Donald Trump leading presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden by just 3 points, 44-41 percent. 8 percent of likely voters say they would support a third-party candidate. 5 percent were undecided while 1 percent picked another candidate.
http://www.weaskamerica.com/surveys/missouri-statewide-general-election-survey-results
Missouri Presidential Ballot
In the presidential race, President Donald Trump holds a narrow lead over former Vice President Joe Biden. 48% of likely voters plan to vote for Trump, while Biden is getting 44%. 3% say they would vote for somebody else and 5% remain undecided.
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To put these close polls in context: Trump won Missouri and Utah by a 18% margin in 2016.
dv said:
dv said:
https://utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/today-at-utah-policy/23932-poll-donald-trump-leads-biden-by-just-3-points-in-utahPoll: Donald Trump leads Biden by just 3 points in Utah
The last time Utah voted for a Democrat for president was Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1964. The Beehive State’s 56-year streak of voting for Republicans for president may be in real danger according to a new poll.
The UtahPolicy.com/KUTV 2 News survey conducted by Y2 Analytics finds Republican Donald Trump leading presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden by just 3 points, 44-41 percent. 8 percent of likely voters say they would support a third-party candidate. 5 percent were undecided while 1 percent picked another candidate.
http://www.weaskamerica.com/surveys/missouri-statewide-general-election-survey-results
Missouri Presidential Ballot
In the presidential race, President Donald Trump holds a narrow lead over former Vice President Joe Biden. 48% of likely voters plan to vote for Trump, while Biden is getting 44%. 3% say they would vote for somebody else and 5% remain undecided.—-
To put these close polls in context: Trump won Missouri and Utah by a 18% margin in 2016.
Good.
Takes things up a notch for sure.
I mean they are 9 years too late but hey
dv said:
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Takes things up a notch for sure.
I mean they are 9 years too late but hey
Ha. I forgot this thread existed. Snap in Chat.
Trump’s expression, when not mid-rant, is a vacant sort of RBF.
if you haven[t already watched Sarah Cooper lip sync to Trump. do yourself a favour and give that a goog.
Ian said:
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Trump’s expression, when not mid-rant, is a vacant sort of RBF.

It’s going to be a close one mark my words.
Peak Warming Man said:
Ian said:
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Trump’s expression, when not mid-rant, is a vacant sort of RBF.
It’s going to be a close one mark my words.
I understand he wore black because it was a memorial but he doesn’t pull that off at all…
Ian said:
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Trump’s expression, when not mid-rant, is a vacant sort of RBF.
eyes look bloodshot.
Peak Warming Man said:
Ian said:
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Trump’s expression, when not mid-rant, is a vacant sort of RBF.
It’s going to be a close one mark my words.
I’m betting one of the GOP slogans will be: JUST SAY NO TO COMMUNIST JOE
Peak Warming Man said:
Ian said:
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Trump’s expression, when not mid-rant, is a vacant sort of RBF.
It’s going to be a close one mark my words.
Biden looks badass with the mask.
Looks like an anime General.
dv said:
Ah fuck,
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Ah fuck,
This place is becoming so coarse. “Oh bother” would be just as good.
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Ah fuck,
This place is becoming so coarse. “Oh bother” would be just as good.
‘Oh bother’ would not be just as good.
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:Ah fuck,
This place is becoming so coarse. “Oh bother” would be just as good.
‘Oh bother’ would not be just as good.
No hope of being a weather girl then.
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:This place is becoming so coarse. “Oh bother” would be just as good.
‘Oh bother’ would not be just as good.
No hope of being a weather girl then.
*waves arms around.
This weather is oh botherish.
*points somewhere else.
This weather here is fucked.
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:‘Oh bother’ would not be just as good.
No hope of being a weather girl then.
*waves arms around.
This weather is oh botherish.
*points somewhere else.
This weather here is fucked.
Hell beckons…………….you might have to spend eternity with Sibeen.
dv said:
Maybe the White House has run out of crockery, and this is just a desperate call from Donny for donations.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Maybe the White House has run out of crockery, and this is just a desperate call from Donny for donations.
Dunny blames others.
Trump is walking back a threat to respond to rioting with deadly force after three days of violent protests in Minneapolis sparked by the police killing of an unarmed black man.
Twitter says Mr Trump broke its rules about “glorifying violence”
“When the looting starts, the shooting starts,” Mr Trump tweeted
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-30/trump-backpeddals-after-shooting-threat-to-rioters-minneapolis/12303300
makes us almost want to join Twitter now, since they’re starting to take some responsibility
CNN)Former Secretary of Defense James Mattis castigated President Donald Trump as “the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people” in a forceful rebuke of his former boss as nationwide protests have intensified over the death of George Floyd.
“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us,” Mattis said.
“We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.”
His pointed remarks follow more than a week of nationwide protests across the country calling for justice for Floyd, a black man who was killed last week by a white police officer in Minneapolis. In response, Trump earlier this week declared himself “your president of law and order” and vowed to return order to American streets using the military if widespread violence isn’t quelled.
The comments from Mattis are a significant moment for a man who has kept mostly silent since leaving the administration. The retired Marine general had been pressed many times to comment on Trump, troop policies, the Pentagon, and other current events and had always refused because he didn’t want to get involved and be a contradictory voice to the troops. Instead, Mattis always insisted he had said everything he wanted to say in his resignation letter.
And until a few days ago he had privately held to that view, but Mattis has become so distressed by the events of the last week that his views on speaking out changed.
The remarks will be a significant moment for many service members who idolize the former defense secretary, who — despite a career based on loyalty and respect for the military chain-of-command — is sending troops the message that the country can unite without the President’s lead.
The message comes after days of increased military presence in Washington. National Guardsmen and federal law enforcement have been stationed around the nation’s capital in a show of force not seen in recent memory. Federal law enforcement officers violently broke up peaceful protests in front of the White House on Monday, apparently so Trump could stage a photo-op at a church across the street from Lafayette Square, where protesters had gathered.
The former secretary, who resigned from Trump’s Cabinet, also indirectly criticized current Defense Secretary Mark Esper’s use of the word “battlespace” in reference to American cities.
“We must reject any thinking of our cities as a ‘battlespace’ that our uniformed military is called upon to ‘dominate,’” Mattis said. “At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society.”
“It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.”
His comments echo a growing discomfort from some in the Pentagon that began even before Trump announced that he is ready to deploy the military to enforce order inside the US.
“There is an intense desire for local law enforcement to be in charge,” a defense official told CNN, alluding to the laws that forbid the military from performing law enforcement roles inside the United States.
Esper on Wednesday acknowledged his use of the word “battlespace” was not meant to indicate any conflict with Americans, but claimed he used a military term of art. Esper also specifically rejected the use of active duty forces in a law enforcement role at this time — comments that put him on shaky ground with the White House.
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany would not directly answer Wednesday whether Trump still has confidence in Esper, saying instead, “as of right now Secretary Esper is still Secretary Esper.”
“With regard to whether the President has confidence, I would say if he loses confidence in Secretary Esper, I’m sure you all will be the first to know,” McEnany said during Wednesday’s press briefing.
“Should the President lose faith, we will all learn about that in the future,” she added.
But Mattis directed most of ire at Trump saying “Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.”
Trump on Wednesday evening softened his tone around sending the military into American cities, saying, “I don’t think we’ll have to,” before reiterating that he has “very strong powers to do it” in an interview with his former press secretary Sean Spicer.
Still, Mattis made clear that his blistering assessment of the President extends beyond any one issue.
“Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.”
This story has been updated with additional information Wednesday.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-statement-trump/index.html
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/twitter-donald-trump-suspendthepres-experiment-policies-suspension-glorifying-violence-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
A Twitter user was suspended for ‘glorifying violence’ after posting exactly what Trump tweets
A Twitter user recently launched an experiment to see what action the platform would take if he started posting Donald Trump’s controversial tweets word for word.
The account, @SuspendThePres, launched May 29 and started to post tweets identical to those sent on Trump’s Twitter. The premise was simple, according to Bizarre Lazar, the Twitter user behind the account: see how long it would take Twitter to take action against him for violating platform policies.
It took just three days for Twitter to flag one of the tweets from @SuspendThePres for violating its terms of service. Twitter temporarily suspended the account and forced the user to delete the offending tweet.
dv said:
It’s a bit smaller than first imagined.
dv said:
Similar to the final days of that German guy
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
It’s a bit smaller than first imagined.
That’s what Stormy said
dv said:
Perfect.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
It’s a bit smaller than first imagined.
That’s what Stormy said
LOLOLOLOL
dv said:
Do you think it’s strong enough to keep him in?
Arts said:
dv said:
Do you think it’s strong enough to keep him in?
Trump doing his best in a really bad situation and gets nothing but criticism
The-Spectator said:
Trump doing his best in a really bad situation and gets nothing but criticism
his best sucks balls.
The-Spectator said:
Trump doing his best in a really bad situation and gets nothing but criticism
China/Mexico/Obama’s fault.
The-Spectator said:
Trump doing his best
That, if true, is a damning criticism
Biden: “10 to 15 Percent” Of Americans Are “Not Very Good People”
“Do we really think that this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that. There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people. But that’s not who we are. The vast majority of people are decent. We have to appeal to that and we have to unite people,” Biden said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/biden_10_to_15_percent_of_americans_are_not_very_good_people.html
dv said:
Biden: “10 to 15 Percent” Of Americans Are “Not Very Good People”“Do we really think that this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that. There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people. But that’s not who we are. The vast majority of people are decent. We have to appeal to that and we have to unite people,” Biden said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/biden_10_to_15_percent_of_americans_are_not_very_good_people.html
bloody delorables.
dv said:
Biden: “10 to 15 Percent” Of Americans Are “Not Very Good People”“Do we really think that this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that. There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people. But that’s not who we are. The vast majority of people are decent. We have to appeal to that and we have to unite people,” Biden said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/biden_10_to_15_percent_of_americans_are_not_very_good_people.html
too low??
party_pants said:
dv said:
Biden: “10 to 15 Percent” Of Americans Are “Not Very Good People”“Do we really think that this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that. There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people. But that’s not who we are. The vast majority of people are decent. We have to appeal to that and we have to unite people,” Biden said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/biden_10_to_15_percent_of_americans_are_not_very_good_people.html
too low??
I wonder how that pans out worldwide, how many people are just not nice people
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Biden: “10 to 15 Percent” Of Americans Are “Not Very Good People”“Do we really think that this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that. There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people. But that’s not who we are. The vast majority of people are decent. We have to appeal to that and we have to unite people,” Biden said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/biden_10_to_15_percent_of_americans_are_not_very_good_people.html
bloody delorables.
Dolores
party_pants said:
dv said:
Biden: “10 to 15 Percent” Of Americans Are “Not Very Good People”“Do we really think that this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that. There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people. But that’s not who we are. The vast majority of people are decent. We have to appeal to that and we have to unite people,” Biden said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/biden_10_to_15_percent_of_americans_are_not_very_good_people.html
too low??
I think it’s about right. I would hope that 85 to 90% would have some inherent goodness that can be appealed to.
10 to 15% would laugh at that video of the homeless people being poisoned, and then throw their garbage out of a moving car.
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Biden: “10 to 15 Percent” Of Americans Are “Not Very Good People”“Do we really think that this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that. There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people. But that’s not who we are. The vast majority of people are decent. We have to appeal to that and we have to unite people,” Biden said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/biden_10_to_15_percent_of_americans_are_not_very_good_people.html
too low??
I wonder how that pans out worldwide, how many people are just not nice people
Good question. I reckon most countries would be higher than they like to admit. Even Aus.
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Biden: “10 to 15 Percent” Of Americans Are “Not Very Good People”“Do we really think that this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that. There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people. But that’s not who we are. The vast majority of people are decent. We have to appeal to that and we have to unite people,” Biden said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/biden_10_to_15_percent_of_americans_are_not_very_good_people.html
bloody delorables.
Dolores
dv said:
Biden: “10 to 15 Percent” Of Americans Are “Not Very Good People”“Do we really think that this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that. There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people. But that’s not who we are. The vast majority of people are decent. We have to appeal to that and we have to unite people,” Biden said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/biden_10_to_15_percent_of_americans_are_not_very_good_people.html
Oops. Bad move.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Biden: “10 to 15 Percent” Of Americans Are “Not Very Good People”“Do we really think that this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that. There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people. But that’s not who we are. The vast majority of people are decent. We have to appeal to that and we have to unite people,” Biden said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/biden_10_to_15_percent_of_americans_are_not_very_good_people.html
Oops. Bad move.
Someone here offered this link yesterday:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2Fgallery%2Fbw2qIXw&data=02%7C01%7C%7C04ed88b691664015297b08d80857c54c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637268520349254591&sdata=%2BIl3SDuDgDV162Jx2p%2BQ5j2pgeHrZ%2BhM3uBnN6DQGjg%3D&reserved=0
(It looks funny there – it’s the standing outside a place you would never go holding a book you would never read)
I sent the link to my sister in Houston. She went one better and looked up that book on GoodReads.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36167187-the-beautiful-poetry-of-donald-trump
She selected this bit for me to read and suggested I could waste quite a bit of time on GoodReads comments if I had nothing else to do:
Matt Hooper rated it….it’s about the 9th comment down. And worth reading.

buffy said:
Someone here offered this link yesterday:https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2Fgallery%2Fbw2qIXw&data=02%7C01%7C%7C04ed88b691664015297b08d80857c54c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637268520349254591&sdata=%2BIl3SDuDgDV162Jx2p%2BQ5j2pgeHrZ%2BhM3uBnN6DQGjg%3D&reserved=0
(It looks funny there – it’s the standing outside a place you would never go holding a book you would never read)
I sent the link to my sister in Houston. She went one better and looked up that book on GoodReads.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36167187-the-beautiful-poetry-of-donald-trump
She selected this bit for me to read and suggested I could waste quite a bit of time on GoodReads comments if I had nothing else to do:
Matt Hooper rated it….it’s about the 9th comment down. And worth reading.
yikes
Michael V said:
dv said:
Biden: “10 to 15 Percent” Of Americans Are “Not Very Good People”“Do we really think that this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that. There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people. But that’s not who we are. The vast majority of people are decent. We have to appeal to that and we have to unite people,” Biden said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/biden_10_to_15_percent_of_americans_are_not_very_good_people.html
Oops. Bad move.
Yeah. It doesn’t need to be quantified.
Four Republican Senators have now been critical of Trump’s recent activities:
Ben Sasse:
“I’m against clearing out a peaceful protest for a photo op that treats the Word of God as a political prop. While there is no right to riot or destroy property, he said, there is a “fundamental — a Constitutional — right to protest.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/02/george-floyd-protests-ben-sasse-gop-senators-criticize-trump/3123888001/
Mitt Romney:
“I respect those who have protested, who have demanded that we must address racism and brutality. From the news clips I have seen, the protesters across from the White House were orderly and nonviolent. They should not have been removed by force and without warning, particularly when the apparent purpose was to stage a photo op.”
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/06/03/sen-mitt-romney/
Susan Collins
“It was painful to watch peaceful protestors be subjected to tear gas in order for the president to go across the street to a church I believe he’s attended only once. It was painful to watch peaceful protestors be subjected to tear gas in order for the president to go across the street to a church I believe he’s attended only once,” Collins reportedly told reporters in D.C.”
https://bangordailynews.com/2020/06/02/politics/susan-collins-calls-trump-church-photo-op-unsympathetic-and-insensitive/
Lisa Murkowski
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) on Thursday praised former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis’s scathing rebuke of President Trump as “true and honest and necessary” and admitted she is “struggling” with whether to vote for the president.
“I thought General Mattis’s words were true and honest and necessary and overdue,” Murkowski, the chair of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, said on her way to a vote in the Capitol Thursday.
“When I saw Gen. Mattis’s comments yesterday I felt like perhaps we’re getting to the point where we can be more honest with the concerns we might hold internally and have the courage of our convictions and speak up,” she told The Washington Post’s Paul Kane, who pooled the remarks and sent them to other Senate reporters.
Asked if she could vote for Trump in the 2020 election, Murkowski admitted, “I am struggling with it. I have struggled with it for a long time.”
She noted that Trump is “our duly elected president” and said “I will continue to work with him” and “I will continue to work with this administration.”
But she said she doesn’t know how to fully respond to Trump’s controversial handling of social justice protests that have swept the country, in particular his order to clear a crowd of peaceful protesters in front of the White House and his threat to deploy thousands of active-duty troops to restore order.
“I think right now as we are all struggling to find ways to express the words that need to be expressed appropriately, questions about who I’m going to vote for not going to vote for I think are distracting at the moment,” she said.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/501139-murkowski-praises-mattis-statement-as-true-and-honest-says-shes-struggling
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Biden: “10 to 15 Percent” Of Americans Are “Not Very Good People”“Do we really think that this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that. There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people. But that’s not who we are. The vast majority of people are decent. We have to appeal to that and we have to unite people,” Biden said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/biden_10_to_15_percent_of_americans_are_not_very_good_people.html
Oops. Bad move.
I watched Running Man last night. It accurately portrayed the fake news machinations of the media & the justification for their lies.
It’s a reasonably decent movie
some excellent news
—
But, even in Washington DC, where anti-Trump sentiment runs thick, quite a few protesters interviewed by the ABC this week still weren’t sure if they’d vote against the President.
“Would I like to see him out of the White House? Of course! But then again I don’t know who’s going to go in next,” said Ty, a 27-year-old out on the streets way after curfew.
“It could be somebody worse than Donald Trump.”Several people didn’t know who was running in November, on either side of politics.
All the outrage in the world won’t dictate who is President for the next four years. As always, it’ll come down to who turns out to vote in the states that matter.
—
looking promising there hey, for the most powerful USSA
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Biden: “10 to 15 Percent” Of Americans Are “Not Very Good People”“Do we really think that this is as good as we can be as a nation? I don’t think the vast majority of people think that. There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the people out there that are just not very good people. But that’s not who we are. The vast majority of people are decent. We have to appeal to that and we have to unite people,” Biden said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/04/biden_10_to_15_percent_of_americans_are_not_very_good_people.html
Oops. Bad move.
Yeah. It doesn’t need to be quantified.
Yes. “Most people are good” would do.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:Oops. Bad move.
Yeah. It doesn’t need to be quantified.
Yes. “Most people are good” would do.
except it’s a theocracy remember, most people originate in sin and it has to be that way
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:Yeah. It doesn’t need to be quantified.
Yes. “Most people are good” would do.
except it’s a theocracy remember, most people originate in sin and it has to be that way
Also how else do you justify continually locking people up and keeping records on every felon so you can prevent them from accessing social benefits forever,
SCIENCE said:
some excellent news—
But, even in Washington DC, where anti-Trump sentiment runs thick, quite a few protesters interviewed by the ABC this week still weren’t sure if they’d vote against the President.
“Would I like to see him out of the White House? Of course! But then again I don’t know who’s going to go in next,” said Ty, a 27-year-old out on the streets way after curfew.
“It could be somebody worse than Donald Trump.”Several people didn’t know who was running in November, on either side of politics.
All the outrage in the world won’t dictate who is President for the next four years. As always, it’ll come down to who turns out to vote in the states that matter.
—
looking promising there hey, for the most powerful USSA
Jfc

captain_spalding said:
Well someone has to do it.
Top Republican will block Trump nominees until administration explains watchdog firings
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/grassley-block-trump-nominees/index.html
Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley said Thursday he will block two of President Donald Trump’s nominees from moving forward in the confirmation process until the administration provides “adequate reasons” for firing the inspectors general of the intelligence community and State Department.
The move marks an escalation by Grassley after White House counsel Pat Cipollone chose not to explain why Trump had removed the two inspectors general last month, instead emphasizing the President’s legal authority to do so.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/colin-powell-endorses-joe-biden-for-us-president
rubs hands together
We can expect some wonderful tweets, some of the best tweets that have ever been tweeted. Magnificent tweets.
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/colin-powell-endorses-joe-biden-for-us-presidentrubs hands together
We can expect some wonderful tweets, some of the best tweets that have ever been tweeted. Magnificent tweets.
They’ll probably all be deleted?
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/colin-powell-endorses-joe-biden-for-us-presidentrubs hands together
We can expect some wonderful tweets, some of the best tweets that have ever been tweeted. Magnificent tweets.
Well, I reluctantly endorse Biden too, but you wont see me Tweeting about it.
Trump doing a fantastic job
The-Spectator said:
Trump doing a fantastic job
Supporting his party icon. The Ass.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/colin-powell-endorses-joe-biden-for-us-presidentrubs hands together
We can expect some wonderful tweets, some of the best tweets that have ever been tweeted. Magnificent tweets.
Well, I reluctantly endorse Biden too, but you wont see me Tweeting about it.
Because you don’t have a Twitter account?
dv said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/colin-powell-endorses-joe-biden-for-us-presidentrubs hands together
We can expect some wonderful tweets, some of the best tweets that have ever been tweeted. Magnificent tweets.
Well, I reluctantly endorse Biden too, but you wont see me Tweeting about it.
Because you don’t have a Twitter account?
I may have signed up for one about 7 or 8 years ago and then never used it.
The-Spectator said:
Trump doing a fantastic job
Ref?
Michael V said:
The-Spectator said:
Trump doing a fantastic job
Ref?
Michael V said:
The-Spectator said:
Trump doing a fantastic job
Ref?
dv said:
Michael V said:
The-Spectator said:
Trump doing a fantastic job
Ref?
Well he’s finally getting the crowds he wanted. Even if they are there for a different reason than he hoped.
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
The-Spectator said:
Trump doing a fantastic job
Ref?
Trump.
As if he’d know.
Michael V said:
The-Spectator said:
Trump doing a fantastic job
Ref?
Some twit twitted it on twitter.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:Ref?
Trump.As if he’d know.
Speaking of bad apples I remember a few years ago Mark Ellis had to end his One Nation election dreams when it turned out he was an overt Nazi rather than a closet Nazi.
What I didn’t know until just now is that he was one of the Pinkenba Six, half a dozen Qld police officers who kidnapped three aboriginal boys, took their shoes and left them in swampland to walk back to town. The boys were not suspected of anything and had no previous problems: the officers said they did this as a “deterrent”. The officers were charged with deprivation of liberty but ultimately received a 12 month disciplinary probation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkenba_Six
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/26/one-nation-candidate-mark-ellis-allegedly-threatened-to-kill-employee
dv said:
Speaking of bad apples I remember a few years ago Mark Ellis had to end his One Nation election dreams when it turned out he was an overt Nazi rather than a closet Nazi.What I didn’t know until just now is that he was one of the Pinkenba Six, half a dozen Qld police officers who kidnapped three aboriginal boys, took their shoes and left them in swampland to walk back to town. The boys were not suspected of anything and had no previous problems: the officers said they did this as a “deterrent”. The officers were charged with deprivation of liberty but ultimately received a 12 month disciplinary probation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkenba_Six
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/26/one-nation-candidate-mark-ellis-allegedly-threatened-to-kill-employee
Considering that the Ausrtalian police have had people like Peter Dutton in their ranks…
dv said:
Michael V said:
The-Spectator said:
Trump doing a fantastic job
Ref?
LOLz
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Speaking of bad apples I remember a few years ago Mark Ellis had to end his One Nation election dreams when it turned out he was an overt Nazi rather than a closet Nazi.What I didn’t know until just now is that he was one of the Pinkenba Six, half a dozen Qld police officers who kidnapped three aboriginal boys, took their shoes and left them in swampland to walk back to town. The boys were not suspected of anything and had no previous problems: the officers said they did this as a “deterrent”. The officers were charged with deprivation of liberty but ultimately received a 12 month disciplinary probation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkenba_Six
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/26/one-nation-candidate-mark-ellis-allegedly-threatened-to-kill-employee
Considering that the Ausrtalian police have had people like Peter Dutton in their ranks…
just following orders
dv said:
I’m willing to bet the website Rate My Poo is more popular than Trump at the moment.
dv said:
And 4.2 don’t know?
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
I’m willing to bet the website Rate My Poo is more popular than Trump at the moment.
Yeah it’s a pretty good site
Tamb said:
dv said:
And 4.2 don’t know?
Tick
Also
Fuck anyone talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome. All of it (the corruption, the love of dictators, the racism, the misogyny, the cruelty, the dehumanisation of minorities, the nurturing of the far right, the vanity, the ignorance, the stupidity, the incitement of violence, the hypocrisy, defrauding of charities, the criminality, the subversion of the courts and justice department)is seriously terrible. No amount of your gaslighting is going to normalise any of this. Any day of the week he says or does something that would rightly end someone’s political career in normal circumstances. If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you. We don’t talk about it enough. It’s so damned terrible that if we talked about it an appropriate amount then we’d never sleep.
You motherfuckers would have been pshawing and eyerolling in 1933 talking about Hitler derangement syndrome as an autocracy slowly fell into place.
dv said:
AlsoFuck anyone talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome. All of it (the corruption, the love of dictators, the racism, the misogyny, the cruelty, the dehumanisation of minorities, the nurturing of the far right, the vanity, the ignorance, the stupidity, the incitement of violence, the hypocrisy, defrauding of charities, the criminality, the subversion of the courts and justice department)is seriously terrible. No amount of your gaslighting is going to normalise any of this. Any day of the week he says or does something that would rightly end someone’s political career in normal circumstances. If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you. We don’t talk about it enough. It’s so damned terrible that if we talked about it an appropriate amount then we’d never sleep.
You motherfuckers would have been pshawing and eyerolling in 1933 talking about Hitler derangement syndrome as an autocracy slowly fell into place.
Trump doesn’t have the crowd control capacity.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
AlsoFuck anyone talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome. All of it (the corruption, the love of dictators, the racism, the misogyny, the cruelty, the dehumanisation of minorities, the nurturing of the far right, the vanity, the ignorance, the stupidity, the incitement of violence, the hypocrisy, defrauding of charities, the criminality, the subversion of the courts and justice department)is seriously terrible. No amount of your gaslighting is going to normalise any of this. Any day of the week he says or does something that would rightly end someone’s political career in normal circumstances. If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you. We don’t talk about it enough. It’s so damned terrible that if we talked about it an appropriate amount then we’d never sleep.
You motherfuckers would have been pshawing and eyerolling in 1933 talking about Hitler derangement syndrome as an autocracy slowly fell into place.
Trump doesn’t have the crowd control capacity.
A number of state leaders, etc also call Trump out on being a dick and actively don’t follow his suggestions/commands
I have never heard of Trump Derangement Syndrome and the only derangement I can think of that is associated with Trump, apart from his own, is that of those who blindly follow ignoring how completely unsuitable he is for the job he currently holds…
dv said:
AlsoFuck anyone talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome. All of it (the corruption, the love of dictators, the racism, the misogyny, the cruelty, the dehumanisation of minorities, the nurturing of the far right, the vanity, the ignorance, the stupidity, the incitement of violence, the hypocrisy, defrauding of charities, the criminality, the subversion of the courts and justice department)is seriously terrible. No amount of your gaslighting is going to normalise any of this. Any day of the week he says or does something that would rightly end someone’s political career in normal circumstances. If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you. We don’t talk about it enough. It’s so damned terrible that if we talked about it an appropriate amount then we’d never sleep.
You motherfuckers would have been pshawing and eyerolling in 1933 talking about Hitler derangement syndrome as an autocracy slowly fell into place.
Hey, i resemble this comment!
Your criticisms are fair. Recent events have proven me wrong. Hopefully there’s a bunch of voting age Americans who thought like me who have also now changed their minds. Trump needs to go.
dv said:
AlsoFuck anyone talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome. All of it (the corruption, the love of dictators, the racism, the misogyny, the cruelty, the dehumanisation of minorities, the nurturing of the far right, the vanity, the ignorance, the stupidity, the incitement of violence, the hypocrisy, defrauding of charities, the criminality, the subversion of the courts and justice department)is seriously terrible. No amount of your gaslighting is going to normalise any of this. Any day of the week he says or does something that would rightly end someone’s political career in normal circumstances. If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you. We don’t talk about it enough. It’s so damned terrible that if we talked about it an appropriate amount then we’d never sleep.
You motherfuckers would have been pshawing and eyerolling in 1933 talking about Hitler derangement syndrome as an autocracy slowly fell into place.
He cheats at golf, and lies about his own height and weight. You just can’t trust people like that.
furious said:
- If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you.
I have never heard of Trump Derangement Syndrome and the only derangement I can think of that is associated with Trump, apart from his own, is that of those who blindly follow ignoring how completely unsuitable he is for the job he currently holds…
“Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a term for criticism of negative reactions to United States President Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational, and have little regard towards Trump’s actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration. The term has been used by Trump supporters to discredit criticism of his actions, as a way of reframing the discussion by suggesting that his opponents are incapable of accurately perceiving the world.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome
dv said:
AlsoFuck anyone talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome. All of it (the corruption, the love of dictators, the racism, the misogyny, the cruelty, the dehumanisation of minorities, the nurturing of the far right, the vanity, the ignorance, the stupidity, the incitement of violence, the hypocrisy, defrauding of charities, the criminality, the subversion of the courts and justice department)is seriously terrible. No amount of your gaslighting is going to normalise any of this. Any day of the week he says or does something that would rightly end someone’s political career in normal circumstances. If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you. We don’t talk about it enough. It’s so damned terrible that if we talked about it an appropriate amount then we’d never sleep.
You motherfuckers would have been pshawing and eyerolling in 1933 talking about Hitler derangement syndrome as an autocracy slowly fell into place.
Did someone get you nose, dv?
Michael V said:
dv said:
AlsoFuck anyone talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome. All of it (the corruption, the love of dictators, the racism, the misogyny, the cruelty, the dehumanisation of minorities, the nurturing of the far right, the vanity, the ignorance, the stupidity, the incitement of violence, the hypocrisy, defrauding of charities, the criminality, the subversion of the courts and justice department)is seriously terrible. No amount of your gaslighting is going to normalise any of this. Any day of the week he says or does something that would rightly end someone’s political career in normal circumstances. If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you. We don’t talk about it enough. It’s so damned terrible that if we talked about it an appropriate amount then we’d never sleep.
You motherfuckers would have been pshawing and eyerolling in 1933 talking about Hitler derangement syndrome as an autocracy slowly fell into place.
Did someone get you nose, dv?
C&P
Michael V said:
dv said:
AlsoFuck anyone talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome. All of it (the corruption, the love of dictators, the racism, the misogyny, the cruelty, the dehumanisation of minorities, the nurturing of the far right, the vanity, the ignorance, the stupidity, the incitement of violence, the hypocrisy, defrauding of charities, the criminality, the subversion of the courts and justice department)is seriously terrible. No amount of your gaslighting is going to normalise any of this. Any day of the week he says or does something that would rightly end someone’s political career in normal circumstances. If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you. We don’t talk about it enough. It’s so damned terrible that if we talked about it an appropriate amount then we’d never sleep.
You motherfuckers would have been pshawing and eyerolling in 1933 talking about Hitler derangement syndrome as an autocracy slowly fell into place.
Did someone get
youup your nose, dv?
party_pants said:
dv said:
AlsoFuck anyone talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome. All of it (the corruption, the love of dictators, the racism, the misogyny, the cruelty, the dehumanisation of minorities, the nurturing of the far right, the vanity, the ignorance, the stupidity, the incitement of violence, the hypocrisy, defrauding of charities, the criminality, the subversion of the courts and justice department)is seriously terrible. No amount of your gaslighting is going to normalise any of this. Any day of the week he says or does something that would rightly end someone’s political career in normal circumstances. If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you. We don’t talk about it enough. It’s so damned terrible that if we talked about it an appropriate amount then we’d never sleep.
You motherfuckers would have been pshawing and eyerolling in 1933 talking about Hitler derangement syndrome as an autocracy slowly fell into place.
He cheats at golf, and lies about his own height and weight. You just can’t trust people like that.
as quoted passage implies perhaps we should be even more concerned at the enablers that essentially violate such natural objective checks, if not Trump it could be anyone else
Michael V said:
furious said:
- If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you.
I have never heard of Trump Derangement Syndrome and the only derangement I can think of that is associated with Trump, apart from his own, is that of those who blindly follow ignoring how completely unsuitable he is for the job he currently holds…
“Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a term for criticism of negative reactions to United States President Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational, and have little regard towards Trump’s actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration. The term has been used by Trump supporters to discredit criticism of his actions, as a way of reframing the discussion by suggesting that his opponents are incapable of accurately perceiving the world.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome
so it’s one of the unsurprising endpoints of antiexpertise and cultural relativism* ¿
*: in which it thereby indicts much of the left as it does the right, we do note
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
furious said:
- If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you.
I have never heard of Trump Derangement Syndrome and the only derangement I can think of that is associated with Trump, apart from his own, is that of those who blindly follow ignoring how completely unsuitable he is for the job he currently holds…
“Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a term for criticism of negative reactions to United States President Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational, and have little regard towards Trump’s actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration. The term has been used by Trump supporters to discredit criticism of his actions, as a way of reframing the discussion by suggesting that his opponents are incapable of accurately perceiving the world.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome
so it’s one of the unsurprising endpoints of antiexpertise and cultural relativism* ¿
*: in which it thereby indicts much of the left as it does the right, we do note
Name-calling.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:“Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a term for criticism of negative reactions to United States President Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational, and have little regard towards Trump’s actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration. The term has been used by Trump supporters to discredit criticism of his actions, as a way of reframing the discussion by suggesting that his opponents are incapable of accurately perceiving the world.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome
so it’s one of the unsurprising endpoints of antiexpertise and cultural relativism* ¿
*: in which it thereby indicts much of the left as it does the right, we do note
Name-calling.
So a spoilt brat bully boy, is wasting my time?
Still doing a great job, well done sir
esselte said:
dv said:
AlsoFuck anyone talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome. All of it (the corruption, the love of dictators, the racism, the misogyny, the cruelty, the dehumanisation of minorities, the nurturing of the far right, the vanity, the ignorance, the stupidity, the incitement of violence, the hypocrisy, defrauding of charities, the criminality, the subversion of the courts and justice department)is seriously terrible. No amount of your gaslighting is going to normalise any of this. Any day of the week he says or does something that would rightly end someone’s political career in normal circumstances. If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you. We don’t talk about it enough. It’s so damned terrible that if we talked about it an appropriate amount then we’d never sleep.
You motherfuckers would have been pshawing and eyerolling in 1933 talking about Hitler derangement syndrome as an autocracy slowly fell into place.
Hey, i resemble this comment!
Your criticisms are fair. Recent events have proven me wrong. Hopefully there’s a bunch of voting age Americans who thought like me who have also now changed their minds. Trump needs to go.
What recent events?
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
dv said:
AlsoFuck anyone talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome. All of it (the corruption, the love of dictators, the racism, the misogyny, the cruelty, the dehumanisation of minorities, the nurturing of the far right, the vanity, the ignorance, the stupidity, the incitement of violence, the hypocrisy, defrauding of charities, the criminality, the subversion of the courts and justice department)is seriously terrible. No amount of your gaslighting is going to normalise any of this. Any day of the week he says or does something that would rightly end someone’s political career in normal circumstances. If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you. We don’t talk about it enough. It’s so damned terrible that if we talked about it an appropriate amount then we’d never sleep.
You motherfuckers would have been pshawing and eyerolling in 1933 talking about Hitler derangement syndrome as an autocracy slowly fell into place.
Hey, i resemble this comment!
Your criticisms are fair. Recent events have proven me wrong. Hopefully there’s a bunch of voting age Americans who thought like me who have also now changed their minds. Trump needs to go.
What recent events?
You may not have heard, witty, but in the last few months there’s been quite a bit going on mews wise.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:Hey, i resemble this comment!
Your criticisms are fair. Recent events have proven me wrong. Hopefully there’s a bunch of voting age Americans who thought like me who have also now changed their minds. Trump needs to go.
What recent events?
You may not have heard, witty, but in the last few months there’s been quite a bit going on mews wise.
I’m not part of the horsey set.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What recent events?
You may not have heard, witty, but in the last few months there’s been quite a bit going on mews wise.
I’m not part of the horsey set.
You’re sold separately?
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What recent events?
You may not have heard, witty, but in the last few months there’s been quite a bit going on mews wise.
I’m not part of the horsey set.
furious said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:You may not have heard, witty, but in the last few months there’s been quite a bit going on mews wise.
I’m not part of the horsey set.
You’re sold separately?
The reason i ask is because Esselte has been going through a political awakening of late and i’m interested to hear the latest developments.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The reason i ask is because Esselte has been going through a political awakening of late and i’m interested to hear the latest developments.
Fair enough :)
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The reason i ask is because Esselte has been going through a political awakening of late and i’m interested to hear the latest developments.
Fair enough :)
Esselte only feels the need to import knowledge on the occasion it merits mentioning.
esselte said:
dv said:
AlsoFuck anyone talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome. All of it (the corruption, the love of dictators, the racism, the misogyny, the cruelty, the dehumanisation of minorities, the nurturing of the far right, the vanity, the ignorance, the stupidity, the incitement of violence, the hypocrisy, defrauding of charities, the criminality, the subversion of the courts and justice department)is seriously terrible. No amount of your gaslighting is going to normalise any of this. Any day of the week he says or does something that would rightly end someone’s political career in normal circumstances. If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you. We don’t talk about it enough. It’s so damned terrible that if we talked about it an appropriate amount then we’d never sleep.
You motherfuckers would have been pshawing and eyerolling in 1933 talking about Hitler derangement syndrome as an autocracy slowly fell into place.
Hey, i resemble this comment!
Your criticisms are fair. Recent events have proven me wrong. Hopefully there’s a bunch of voting age Americans who thought like me who have also now changed their minds. Trump needs to go.
Esselte, thank you
furious said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:You may not have heard, witty, but in the last few months there’s been quite a bit going on mews wise.
I’m not part of the horsey set.
You’re sold separately?
rofl
ROFLMFAO
Trump campaign demands CNN apologize for poll that shows Biden leading
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump’s campaign is demanding CNN retract and apologize for a recent poll that showed him well behind presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.
The demand, coming in the form of a cease and desist letter to CNN President Jeff Zucker that contained numerous incorrect and misleading claims, was immediately rejected by the network.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/10/politics/trump-campaign-cnn-poll/index.html

Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
dv said:
AlsoFuck anyone talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome. All of it (the corruption, the love of dictators, the racism, the misogyny, the cruelty, the dehumanisation of minorities, the nurturing of the far right, the vanity, the ignorance, the stupidity, the incitement of violence, the hypocrisy, defrauding of charities, the criminality, the subversion of the courts and justice department)is seriously terrible. No amount of your gaslighting is going to normalise any of this. Any day of the week he says or does something that would rightly end someone’s political career in normal circumstances. If you’re not deeply troubled by his activities then there might be something wrong with you. We don’t talk about it enough. It’s so damned terrible that if we talked about it an appropriate amount then we’d never sleep.
You motherfuckers would have been pshawing and eyerolling in 1933 talking about Hitler derangement syndrome as an autocracy slowly fell into place.
Hey, i resemble this comment!
Your criticisms are fair. Recent events have proven me wrong. Hopefully there’s a bunch of voting age Americans who thought like me who have also now changed their minds. Trump needs to go.
What recent events?
Hi Witty,
Please know I’m not ignoring your question. I just find it difficult to explain in less than 10,000 words. I’ve been trying to come up with a cool analogy but haven’t really managed so far.
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:Hey, i resemble this comment!
Your criticisms are fair. Recent events have proven me wrong. Hopefully there’s a bunch of voting age Americans who thought like me who have also now changed their minds. Trump needs to go.
What recent events?
Hi Witty,
Please know I’m not ignoring your question. I just find it difficult to explain in less than 10,000 words. I’ve been trying to come up with a cool analogy but haven’t really managed so far.
That’s okay. IIRC you were of the opinion that it was the left that was seeding the culture wars by being too strident?
Trump lifts limits on commercial fishing at ocean sanctuary off New EnglandNortheast Canyons and Seamounts Marine National Monument is the first in the Atlantic. Trump said a prohibition against fishing hurt Maine’s commercial fishing industry.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/06/05/trump-fishing-seamounts-marine-national-monument/%3foutputType=amp
dv said:
Trump lifts limits on commercial fishing at ocean sanctuary off New EnglandNortheast Canyons and Seamounts Marine National Monument is the first in the Atlantic. Trump said a prohibition against fishing hurt Maine’s commercial fishing industry.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/06/05/trump-fishing-seamounts-marine-national-monument/%3foutputType=amp
Oh that’s bound to work out well.
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What recent events?
Hi Witty,
Please know I’m not ignoring your question. I just find it difficult to explain in less than 10,000 words. I’ve been trying to come up with a cool analogy but haven’t really managed so far.
That’s okay. IIRC you were of the opinion that it was the left that was seeding the culture wars by being too strident?
I’m generally disaffected with politics, left and right. Truthfully, I’m disaffected with people in general. My attitude is well summed up by the principal espoused in a book, “The Science of the Discworld II”, wherein the central thesis is that human beings (homo sapiens, “wise humans”) would be better classified as Pan Narrans, “storytelling chimpanzees”. I think that, as an evolved species we suck at interpreting reality in any way which could reasonably be considered as rational. Our evolutionary history did not demand rationality and has, thusly, not resulted in a rational species. All we do is make up stories which fit our pre-conceived notions and then search for ways to justify those stories.
I’m sick and tired of politics and politicians that offer simple platitudes but result in no coherent action. With Trump, a man who has eschewed the normal politcal platitudes from the moment he descended on that escalator in Trump Tower, I had hoped we might see concomitant coherent action. I appreciated those things which obviously made him different from the ordinary politician (the lack of meaningless platitudes) in the hope that he would also be different in terms of the actions he would take. “Drain the swamp”, “fix the taxation systems”… I don’t really care how coarse, vulgar or stupid he is because I think everyone is coarse, vulgar and stupid and there is just varying degrees to which people are able to cover that up… Trump apparently didn’t care about covering that up, so maybe, being different in those ways he would also be different to the type of politician that we have had over the last few hundred years (at least).
But recently, I’ve realized it’s not so much the case that he doesn’t care about covering up his failures as a human being, but rather that he is genuinely incapable of even recognizing those failures. It’s baffling to me. I kind of operate on the assumption that everyone recognizes, deep down, how absurd they are. Perhaps this is just projection on my part. I can’t take myself or others seriously… I spent too much time reading about how human psychology works to do that. It’s shocking to me that their are people in the world who do take themselves seriously, and it’s my failure that I didn’t recognize earlier that Trump is one of those people. There are situations, I believe, where ones own psychological foibles should be relegated to oblivion… times that might be described as “shit just got real”, when we have to cast out the narratives we feed ourselves and just confront reality on its own terms, for what it is. COVID-19 is one of those times. The current protests in the USA are another of those times. It’s Trumps inability to confront and deal with reality even as reality bitch-slaps him in the face which has flummoxed me of late; but not just this inability – also the fact that he seems content and motivated to actually challenge reality with his own delusional narratives – I did not anticipate or expect this from him, and it is this which has turned me against him.
I hope at least some of that makes sense.
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:Hi Witty,
Please know I’m not ignoring your question. I just find it difficult to explain in less than 10,000 words. I’ve been trying to come up with a cool analogy but haven’t really managed so far.
That’s okay. IIRC you were of the opinion that it was the left that was seeding the culture wars by being too strident?
I’m generally disaffected with politics, left and right. Truthfully, I’m disaffected with people in general. My attitude is well summed up by the principal espoused in a book, “The Science of the Discworld II”, wherein the central thesis is that human beings (homo sapiens, “wise humans”) would be better classified as Pan Narrans, “storytelling chimpanzees”. I think that, as an evolved species we suck at interpreting reality in any way which could reasonably be considered as rational. Our evolutionary history did not demand rationality and has, thusly, not resulted in a rational species. All we do is make up stories which fit our pre-conceived notions and then search for ways to justify those stories.
I’m sick and tired of politics and politicians that offer simple platitudes but result in no coherent action. With Trump, a man who has eschewed the normal politcal platitudes from the moment he descended on that escalator in Trump Tower, I had hoped we might see concomitant coherent action. I appreciated those things which obviously made him different from the ordinary politician (the lack of meaningless platitudes) in the hope that he would also be different in terms of the actions he would take. “Drain the swamp”, “fix the taxation systems”… I don’t really care how coarse, vulgar or stupid he is because I think everyone is coarse, vulgar and stupid and there is just varying degrees to which people are able to cover that up… Trump apparently didn’t care about covering that up, so maybe, being different in those ways he would also be different to the type of politician that we have had over the last few hundred years (at least).
But recently, I’ve realized it’s not so much the case that he doesn’t care about covering up his failures as a human being, but rather that he is genuinely incapable of even recognizing those failures. It’s baffling to me. I kind of operate on the assumption that everyone recognizes, deep down, how absurd they are. Perhaps this is just projection on my part. I can’t take myself or others seriously… I spent too much time reading about how human psychology works to do that. It’s shocking to me that their are people in the world who do take themselves seriously, and it’s my failure that I didn’t recognize earlier that Trump is one of those people. There are situations, I believe, where ones own psychological foibles should be relegated to oblivion… times that might be described as “shit just got real”, when we have to cast out the narratives we feed ourselves and just confront reality on its own terms, for what it is. COVID-19 is one of those times. The current protests in the USA are another of those times. It’s Trumps inability to confront and deal with reality even as reality bitch-slaps him in the face which has flummoxed me of late; but not just this inability – also the fact that he seems content and motivated to actually challenge reality with his own delusional narratives – I did not anticipate or expect this from him, and it is this which has turned me against him.
I hope at least some of that makes sense.
Yes. Thankyou.
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:Hi Witty,
Please know I’m not ignoring your question. I just find it difficult to explain in less than 10,000 words. I’ve been trying to come up with a cool analogy but haven’t really managed so far.
That’s okay. IIRC you were of the opinion that it was the left that was seeding the culture wars by being too strident?
I’m generally disaffected with politics, left and right. Truthfully, I’m disaffected with people in general. My attitude is well summed up by the principal espoused in a book, “The Science of the Discworld II”, wherein the central thesis is that human beings (homo sapiens, “wise humans”) would be better classified as Pan Narrans, “storytelling chimpanzees”. I think that, as an evolved species we suck at interpreting reality in any way which could reasonably be considered as rational. Our evolutionary history did not demand rationality and has, thusly, not resulted in a rational species. All we do is make up stories which fit our pre-conceived notions and then search for ways to justify those stories.
I’m sick and tired of politics and politicians that offer simple platitudes but result in no coherent action. With Trump, a man who has eschewed the normal politcal platitudes from the moment he descended on that escalator in Trump Tower, I had hoped we might see concomitant coherent action. I appreciated those things which obviously made him different from the ordinary politician (the lack of meaningless platitudes) in the hope that he would also be different in terms of the actions he would take. “Drain the swamp”, “fix the taxation systems”… I don’t really care how coarse, vulgar or stupid he is because I think everyone is coarse, vulgar and stupid and there is just varying degrees to which people are able to cover that up… Trump apparently didn’t care about covering that up, so maybe, being different in those ways he would also be different to the type of politician that we have had over the last few hundred years (at least).
But recently, I’ve realized it’s not so much the case that he doesn’t care about covering up his failures as a human being, but rather that he is genuinely incapable of even recognizing those failures. It’s baffling to me. I kind of operate on the assumption that everyone recognizes, deep down, how absurd they are. Perhaps this is just projection on my part. I can’t take myself or others seriously… I spent too much time reading about how human psychology works to do that. It’s shocking to me that their are people in the world who do take themselves seriously, and it’s my failure that I didn’t recognize earlier that Trump is one of those people. There are situations, I believe, where ones own psychological foibles should be relegated to oblivion… times that might be described as “shit just got real”, when we have to cast out the narratives we feed ourselves and just confront reality on its own terms, for what it is. COVID-19 is one of those times. The current protests in the USA are another of those times. It’s Trumps inability to confront and deal with reality even as reality bitch-slaps him in the face which has flummoxed me of late; but not just this inability – also the fact that he seems content and motivated to actually challenge reality with his own delusional narratives – I did not anticipate or expect this from him, and it is this which has turned me against him.
I hope at least some of that makes sense.
Yes to a degree.
But don’t despair because his rambling incoherent narcissistic presidency has caused all the values and institutional mores thrown up in the air and to fall on their feet or crumble under scrutiny, the media have been shaken to the core and people are questioning the news, whether it’s really news or just opinion dressed up as news.
I think the US will be reset by the chaos and come out the other side better for it.
Peak Warming Man said:
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That’s okay. IIRC you were of the opinion that it was the left that was seeding the culture wars by being too strident?
I’m generally disaffected with politics, left and right. Truthfully, I’m disaffected with people in general. My attitude is well summed up by the principal espoused in a book, “The Science of the Discworld II”, wherein the central thesis is that human beings (homo sapiens, “wise humans”) would be better classified as Pan Narrans, “storytelling chimpanzees”. I think that, as an evolved species we suck at interpreting reality in any way which could reasonably be considered as rational. Our evolutionary history did not demand rationality and has, thusly, not resulted in a rational species. All we do is make up stories which fit our pre-conceived notions and then search for ways to justify those stories.
I’m sick and tired of politics and politicians that offer simple platitudes but result in no coherent action. With Trump, a man who has eschewed the normal politcal platitudes from the moment he descended on that escalator in Trump Tower, I had hoped we might see concomitant coherent action. I appreciated those things which obviously made him different from the ordinary politician (the lack of meaningless platitudes) in the hope that he would also be different in terms of the actions he would take. “Drain the swamp”, “fix the taxation systems”… I don’t really care how coarse, vulgar or stupid he is because I think everyone is coarse, vulgar and stupid and there is just varying degrees to which people are able to cover that up… Trump apparently didn’t care about covering that up, so maybe, being different in those ways he would also be different to the type of politician that we have had over the last few hundred years (at least).
But recently, I’ve realized it’s not so much the case that he doesn’t care about covering up his failures as a human being, but rather that he is genuinely incapable of even recognizing those failures. It’s baffling to me. I kind of operate on the assumption that everyone recognizes, deep down, how absurd they are. Perhaps this is just projection on my part. I can’t take myself or others seriously… I spent too much time reading about how human psychology works to do that. It’s shocking to me that their are people in the world who do take themselves seriously, and it’s my failure that I didn’t recognize earlier that Trump is one of those people. There are situations, I believe, where ones own psychological foibles should be relegated to oblivion… times that might be described as “shit just got real”, when we have to cast out the narratives we feed ourselves and just confront reality on its own terms, for what it is. COVID-19 is one of those times. The current protests in the USA are another of those times. It’s Trumps inability to confront and deal with reality even as reality bitch-slaps him in the face which has flummoxed me of late; but not just this inability – also the fact that he seems content and motivated to actually challenge reality with his own delusional narratives – I did not anticipate or expect this from him, and it is this which has turned me against him.
I hope at least some of that makes sense.
Yes to a degree.
But don’t despair because his rambling incoherent narcissistic presidency has caused all the values and institutional mores thrown up in the air and to fall on their feet or crumble under scrutiny, the media have been shaken to the core and people are questioning the news, whether it’s really news or just opinion dressed up as news.
I think the US will be reset by the chaos and come out the other side better for it.
“We are not Homo sapiens, Wise Man. We are the third chimpanzee. What distinguishes us from the ordinary chimpanzee Pan troglodytes and the bonobo chimpanzee Pan paniscus, is something far more subtle than our enormous brain, three times as large as theirs in proportion to body weight. It is what that brain makes possible. And the most significant contribution that our large brain made to our approach to the universe was to endow us with the power of story. We are Pan narrans, the storytelling ape.
“…if you understand the power of story, and learn to detect abuses of it, you might actually deserve the appellation Homo sapiens.”
Science of the Discworld II: The Globe.
Terry Pratchett, Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen
Biden’s concerned Trump won’t leave White House if he loses election
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-12/biden-says-he-worries-donald-trump-will-try-to-steal-election/12347110

sibeen said:
Good!
Trump freezes assets of International Criminal Court officials, denies them entry to the US
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-imposes-sanctions-icc-officials-probing-us-and-israeli-abuses
US President Donald Trump announced sanctions against International Criminal Court (ICC) officials investigating abuses by Americans and Israelis, stressing that the Hague-based tribunal has no “jurisdiction over personnel of the United States and certain of its allies”.
An executive order signed by Trump on Thursday freezes any assets of targeted ICC investigators in the US and bans them and their immediate family members from entering the country.
dv said:
Trump freezes assets of International Criminal Court officials, denies them entry to the UShttps://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-imposes-sanctions-icc-officials-probing-us-and-israeli-abuses
US President Donald Trump announced sanctions against International Criminal Court (ICC) officials investigating abuses by Americans and Israelis, stressing that the Hague-based tribunal has no “jurisdiction over personnel of the United States and certain of its allies”.
An executive order signed by Trump on Thursday freezes any assets of targeted ICC investigators in the US and bans them and their immediate family members from entering the country.
I understand they’ve also suspended Habeas Corpus.
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
Trump freezes assets of International Criminal Court officials, denies them entry to the UShttps://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-imposes-sanctions-icc-officials-probing-us-and-israeli-abuses
US President Donald Trump announced sanctions against International Criminal Court (ICC) officials investigating abuses by Americans and Israelis, stressing that the Hague-based tribunal has no “jurisdiction over personnel of the United States and certain of its allies”.
An executive order signed by Trump on Thursday freezes any assets of targeted ICC investigators in the US and bans them and their immediate family members from entering the country.
I understand they’ve also suspended Habeas Corpus.
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
Trump freezes assets of International Criminal Court officials, denies them entry to the UShttps://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-imposes-sanctions-icc-officials-probing-us-and-israeli-abuses
US President Donald Trump announced sanctions against International Criminal Court (ICC) officials investigating abuses by Americans and Israelis, stressing that the Hague-based tribunal has no “jurisdiction over personnel of the United States and certain of its allies”.
An executive order signed by Trump on Thursday freezes any assets of targeted ICC investigators in the US and bans them and their immediate family members from entering the country.
I understand they’ve also suspended Habeas Corpus.
Ugh, might be New York state only.
I was reading a first-hand description of the conditions a friend-of-a-friend (who is earning six figures), is living under in NYC: Some aspects are worse than what most people would regard as ‘third world’. His current status is that he’s at very high risk of dying in his apartment of a heart condition he can’t get treatment for.
dv said:
Trump freezes assets of International Criminal Court officials, denies them entry to the UShttps://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-imposes-sanctions-icc-officials-probing-us-and-israeli-abuses
US President Donald Trump announced sanctions against International Criminal Court (ICC) officials investigating abuses by Americans and Israelis, stressing that the Hague-based tribunal has no “jurisdiction over personnel of the United States and certain of its allies”.
An executive order signed by Trump on Thursday freezes any assets of targeted ICC investigators in the US and bans them and their immediate family members from entering the country.
So fecking blatant.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Trump freezes assets of International Criminal Court officials, denies them entry to the UShttps://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-imposes-sanctions-icc-officials-probing-us-and-israeli-abuses
US President Donald Trump announced sanctions against International Criminal Court (ICC) officials investigating abuses by Americans and Israelis, stressing that the Hague-based tribunal has no “jurisdiction over personnel of the United States and certain of its allies”.
An executive order signed by Trump on Thursday freezes any assets of targeted ICC investigators in the US and bans them and their immediate family members from entering the country.
So fecking blatant.
I’m not sure Trump understands what “International” means.
‘Everything about this is irregular’: Ex-judge tapped to review Flynn case blasts DOJ
The retired judge, John Gleeson, said the Justice Department had improperly bowed to the president’s will.
A former judge selected to advise on a path forward in the criminal case against Michael Flynn is accusing the Justice Department of exercising a “gross abuse of prosecutorial power” to protect an ally of President Donald Trump, distorting known facts and legal principles to shield Flynn from a jail sentence.
The former federal judge, John Gleeson, skewered Attorney General Bill Barr’s handling of the case, describing it as an “irregular” effort that courts would “scoff” at were the subject anyone other than an ally of Trump. The 82-page excoriation featured a painstaking reconstruction of the Flynn case and accused DOJ of contradicting its own arguments and precedents to justify dropping the case against Flynn.
“Even recognizing that the Government is entitled to deference in assessing the strength of its case, these claims are not credible,” Gleeson wrote. “Indeed, they are preposterous.”
“The facts surrounding the filing of the Government’s motion constitute clear evidence of gross prosecutorial abuse. They reveal an unconvincing effort to disguise as legitimate a decision to dismiss that is based solely on the fact that Flynn is a political ally of President Trump,” Gleeson wrote in a filing Wednesday with Sullivan, who formally tapped Gleeson to weigh in as a friend of the court.
However, Gleeson urged Sullivan not to pursue contempt proceedings against Flynn for seemingly contradictory statements made about his actions. Though there is “ample” evidence to support such a move, Gleeson recommended factoring it into Flynn’s sentencing for his initial guilty plea rather than initiating new action related to the about-face.
The brief is a significant new flashpoint in the long-running legal saga surrounding Flynn, Trump’s national security adviser in the first few weeks of his presidency. Trump fired Flynn in February 2017, citing his dishonesty with the FBI and with Vice President Mike Pence over his contacts with Russia’s ambassador to the United States in the weeks before Trump took office.
Flynn, at the time, urged Russia’s envoy to limit its response to outgoing Obama administration measures to punish Russia for interfering in the 2016 election. The FBI interviewed Flynn about those calls days after Trump took office, part of a counterintelligence investigation into Trump campaign contacts with Russia.
Gleeson spent much of brief recounting the events that precipitated Flynn’s December 2017 guilty plea, abrupt reversal and DOJ’s decision to drop the case. He noted that Trump tweeted about the case more than 100 times in the interim.
“Everything about this is irregular,” Gleeson wrote.
“President Trump today has the unreviewable authority to issue a pardon, thus ensuring that Flynn is no longer prosecuted and never punished for his crimes because he is a friend and political ally,” Gleeson continued. “But the instant the Executive Branch filed a criminal charge against Flynn, it forfeited the right to implicate this Court in the dismissal of that charge simply because Flynn is a friend and political ally of the President.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/10/gleeson-flynn-sullivan-barr-justice-department-311018
EXCLUSIVE!
Preview of Trump’s election slogan and election platform!

captain_spalding said:
EXCLUSIVE!Preview of Trump’s election slogan and election platform!
I’m not sure why anyone would wear a t-shirt with that sentiment on it.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
EXCLUSIVE!Preview of Trump’s election slogan and election platform!
I’m not sure why anyone would wear a t-shirt with that sentiment on it.
Engrish.
In some places in Asia, it’s thought to be hip to wear garments with English words on them.
Often both the producers of the garments, and the wearers, aren’t entirely (or even slightly) aware of the import of those words/phrases.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
EXCLUSIVE!Preview of Trump’s election slogan and election platform!
I’m not sure why anyone would wear a t-shirt with that sentiment on it.
Engrish.
In some places in Asia, it’s thought to be hip to wear garments with English words on them.
Often both the producers of the garments, and the wearers, aren’t entirely (or even slightly) aware of the import of those words/phrases.
I doubt that t-shirt is an example of that. I’m guessing it’s just supposed to be humerous.
sigh
humourous…
mutters about tablet spell checker
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
EXCLUSIVE!Preview of Trump’s election slogan and election platform!
I’m not sure why anyone would wear a t-shirt with that sentiment on it.
Why shouldn’t the act of thinking less stupid be encouraged?
Witty Rejoinder said:
I doubt that t-shirt is an example of that. I’m guessing it’s just supposed to be humerous.
Gosh, i hope this one was supposed to be humorous:

The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
EXCLUSIVE!Preview of Trump’s election slogan and election platform!
I’m not sure why anyone would wear a t-shirt with that sentiment on it.
Why shouldn’t the act of thinking less stupid be encouraged?
If only it said that. The full stops preclude that being the screenprinter’s meaning.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:I’m not sure why anyone would wear a t-shirt with that sentiment on it.
Why shouldn’t the act of thinking less stupid be encouraged?
If only it said that. The full stops preclude that being the screenprinter’s meaning.
Obviously a typo.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why shouldn’t the act of thinking less stupid be encouraged?
If only it said that. The full stops preclude that being the screenprinter’s meaning.
Obviously a typo.
You have to be careful with punctuation.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I doubt that t-shirt is an example of that. I’m guessing it’s just supposed to be humerous.
Gosh, i hope this one was supposed to be humorous:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
EXCLUSIVE!Preview of Trump’s election slogan and election platform!
I’m not sure why anyone would wear a t-shirt with that sentiment on it.
Engrish.
In some places in Asia, it’s thought to be hip to wear garments with English words on them.
Often both the producers of the garments, and the wearers, aren’t entirely (or even slightly) aware of the import of those words/phrases.
Bit like people who get Japanese characters as a tattoo …
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:I’m not sure why anyone would wear a t-shirt with that sentiment on it.
Engrish.
In some places in Asia, it’s thought to be hip to wear garments with English words on them.
Often both the producers of the garments, and the wearers, aren’t entirely (or even slightly) aware of the import of those words/phrases.
Bit like people who get Japanese characters as a tattoo …
I had a pair of shoes bought in India.
Around the left hand heel strap was embroidered “J M Williams General Manager”
On the right heel strap was the same message but mirror reversed.
ps I’d like to reverse it for this post but don’t know how.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
EXCLUSIVE!Preview of Trump’s election slogan and election platform!
I’m not sure why anyone would wear a t-shirt with that sentiment on it.
Why shouldn’t the act of thinking less stupid be encouraged?
Two sentences.
Think less.
Stupid more.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sighhumourous…
mutters about tablet spell checker
turn it off
TURN IT OFF
Ian said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sighhumourous…
mutters about tablet spell checker
turn it off
TURN IT OFF
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
EXCLUSIVE!Preview of Trump’s election slogan and election platform!
I’m not sure why anyone would wear a t-shirt with that sentiment on it.
Engrish.
In some places in Asia, it’s thought to be hip to wear garments with English words on them.
Often both the producers of the garments, and the wearers, aren’t entirely (or even slightly) aware of the import of those words/phrases.
Fair enough. I hadn’t thought of that aspect…
Tamb said:
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:Engrish.
In some places in Asia, it’s thought to be hip to wear garments with English words on them.
Often both the producers of the garments, and the wearers, aren’t entirely (or even slightly) aware of the import of those words/phrases.
Bit like people who get Japanese characters as a tattoo …
I had a pair of shoes bought in India.
Around the left hand heel strap was embroidered “J M Williams General Manager”
On the right heel strap was the same message but mirror reversed.
ps I’d like to reverse it for this post but don’t know how.

Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Bogsnorkler said:Bit like people who get Japanese characters as a tattoo …
I had a pair of shoes bought in India.
Around the left hand heel strap was embroidered “J M Williams General Manager”
On the right heel strap was the same message but mirror reversed.
ps I’d like to reverse it for this post but don’t know how.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:I had a pair of shoes bought in India.
Around the left hand heel strap was embroidered “J M Williams General Manager”
On the right heel strap was the same message but mirror reversed.
ps I’d like to reverse it for this post but don’t know how.
How did you do that please?
I cheated, I used Autocad.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
How did you do that please?I cheated, I used Autocad.
Ah. Thanks. I don’t have that.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:I’m not sure why anyone would wear a t-shirt with that sentiment on it.
Why shouldn’t the act of thinking less stupid be encouraged?
Two sentences.
Think less.
Stupid more.
Well even if it isn’t a typo, maybe it’s her comment on what she sees around her, rather than her recommendations on how people should behave.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:I had a pair of shoes bought in India.
Around the left hand heel strap was embroidered “J M Williams General Manager”
On the right heel strap was the same message but mirror reversed.
ps I’d like to reverse it for this post but don’t know how.
How did you do that please?

Snip, copy, paste to Paint, flip horizontal, flip vertical, copy, paste.
Tamb said:
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:Engrish.
In some places in Asia, it’s thought to be hip to wear garments with English words on them.
Often both the producers of the garments, and the wearers, aren’t entirely (or even slightly) aware of the import of those words/phrases.
Bit like people who get Japanese characters as a tattoo …
I had a pair of shoes bought in India.
Around the left hand heel strap was embroidered “J M Williams General Manager”
On the right heel strap was the same message but mirror reversed.
ps I’d like to reverse it for this post but don’t know how.
Irfanview.
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:I’m not sure why anyone would wear a t-shirt with that sentiment on it.
Engrish.
In some places in Asia, it’s thought to be hip to wear garments with English words on them.
Often both the producers of the garments, and the wearers, aren’t entirely (or even slightly) aware of the import of those words/phrases.
Bit like people who get Japanese characters as a tattoo …
Yep.
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
Bogsnorkler said:Bit like people who get Japanese characters as a tattoo …
I had a pair of shoes bought in India.
Around the left hand heel strap was embroidered “J M Williams General Manager”
On the right heel strap was the same message but mirror reversed.
ps I’d like to reverse it for this post but don’t know how.
Irfanview.
Get’s my vote :)
Rule 303 said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
How did you do that please?
Snip, copy, paste to Paint, flip horizontal, flip vertical, copy, paste.
Just testing that it would come back to normal size when quoted, like that ^.
:-)
Rule 303 said:
Rule 303 said:
Tamb said:How did you do that please?
Snip, copy, paste to Paint, flip horizontal, flip vertical, copy, paste.
Just testing that it would come back to normal size when quoted, like that ^.
:-)
Well… That’s interesting.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why shouldn’t the act of thinking less stupid be encouraged?
Two sentences.
Think less.
Stupid more.
Well even if it isn’t a typo, maybe it’s her comment on what she sees around her, rather than her recommendations on how people should behave.
Agree, the bearer appears ASIAN, and therefore is much more likely to be a genius making a subtle ironic point about descriptivism.
The Rev Dodgson said:
very meta
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why shouldn’t the act of thinking less stupid be encouraged?
Two sentences.
Think less.
Stupid more.
Well even if it isn’t a typo, maybe it’s her comment on what she sees around her, rather than her recommendations on how people should behave.
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:Engrish.
In some places in Asia, it’s thought to be hip to wear garments with English words on them.
Often both the producers of the garments, and the wearers, aren’t entirely (or even slightly) aware of the import of those words/phrases.
Bit like people who get Japanese characters as a tattoo …
Yep.
And they’re not Japanese characters…
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:Bit like people who get Japanese characters as a tattoo …
Yep.
And they’re not Japanese characters…
わつ this then eh, who’s this character ¿
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:Bit like people who get Japanese characters as a tattoo …
Yep.
And they’re not Japanese characters…
There’s an Asian comedian (can’t think of his name, though i can picture his face) who said that he’d say to people with Asian-character tattooes, “why did you get that tattooed on you? Do you know what it means?’.
They’d say ‘yeah, means ‘family and friends’ (or something similar).
‘No’‘, he’d say, ‘it means çhild molester’.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:Bit like people who get Japanese characters as a tattoo …
Yep.
And they’re not Japanese characters…
they may be hiragana and katakana characters…
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:Yep.
And they’re not Japanese characters…
they may be hiragana and katakana characters…
Hiragana
Katakana
Three potato
Four
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:Yep.
And they’re not Japanese characters…
There’s an Asian comedian (can’t think of his name, though i can picture his face) who said that he’d say to people with Asian-character tattooes, “why did you get that tattooed on you? Do you know what it means?’.
They’d say ‘yeah, means ‘family and friends’ (or something similar).
‘No’‘, he’d say, ‘it means çhild molester’.
Ahn Do?
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:And they’re not Japanese characters…
There’s an Asian comedian (can’t think of his name, though i can picture his face) who said that he’d say to people with Asian-character tattooes, “why did you get that tattooed on you? Do you know what it means?’.
They’d say ‘yeah, means ‘family and friends’ (or something similar).
‘No’‘, he’d say, ‘it means çhild molester’.
Ahn Do?
Don’t think it was him, but might have been.
Remember that recent video of the American lady in the UK, showing people how make ‘hot tea’?
I think i know where she learnt her beverage making skills:

Bugger, i was sure i’d selected the chat thread.
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:Yep.
And they’re not Japanese characters…
they may be hiragana and katakana characters…
Ohh is thaaat what you meant… you’ll forgive me for being confused. :-p
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:And they’re not Japanese characters…
they may be hiragana and katakana characters…
Ohh is thaaat what you meant… you’ll forgive me for being confused. :-p
no worries. i was too 5 minutes before i posted that. thanks google.
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bogsnorkler said:they may be hiragana and katakana characters…
Ohh is thaaat what you meant… you’ll forgive me for being confused. :-p
no worries. i was too 5 minutes before i posted that. thanks google.
ah, the subtle but clear point that there is no metonymy in impoverished languages
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Two sentences.
Think less.
Stupid more.
Well even if it isn’t a typo, maybe it’s her comment on what she sees around her, rather than her recommendations on how people should behave.
Agree, the bearer appears ASIAN, and therefore is much more likely to be a genius making a subtle ironic point about descriptivism.
I’m not sure that her country of origin has anything to do with it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well even if it isn’t a typo, maybe it’s her comment on what she sees around her, rather than her recommendations on how people should behave.
Agree, the bearer appears ASIAN, and therefore is much more likely to be a genius making a subtle ironic point about descriptivism.
I’m not sure that her country of origin has anything to do with it.
nothing to do with origin, everything to do with appearance
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:Agree, the bearer appears ASIAN, and therefore is much more likely to be a genius making a subtle ironic point about descriptivism.
I’m not sure that her country of origin has anything to do with it.
nothing to do with origin, everything to do with appearance
I’m not sure that her appearance has anything to do with it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m not sure that her country of origin has anything to do with it.
nothing to do with origin, everything to do with appearance
I’m not sure that her appearance has anything to do with it.
? pardon, what is the purpose of wearing clothing with imprinted slogan if not for appearance id est everything to do with it ¿
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:nothing to do with origin, everything to do with appearance
I’m not sure that her appearance has anything to do with it.
? pardon, what is the purpose of wearing clothing with imprinted slogan if not for appearance id est everything to do with it ¿
You appeared to be saying that my interpretation of the possible intent of the tee-shirt wording was based on the appearance of the person wearing it.
I was just saying it wasn’t, that’s all.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:Agree, the bearer appears ASIAN, and therefore is much more likely to be a genius making a subtle ironic point about descriptivism.
I’m not sure that her country of origin has anything to do with it.
nothing to do with origin, everything to do with appearance
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m not sure that her appearance has anything to do with it.
? pardon, what is the purpose of wearing clothing with imprinted slogan if not for appearance id est everything to do with it ¿
You appeared to be saying that my interpretation of the possible intent of the tee-shirt wording was based on the appearance of the person wearing it.
I was just saying it wasn’t, that’s all.
No no we were agreeing with your contention that {even if it isn’t a typo, maybe it’s her comment on what she sees around her, rather than her recommendations on how people should behave} and adding our own interpretation, that according to popular stereotype the bearer appears ASIAN, and therefore is much more likely to be a genius making a subtle ironic point about descriptivism.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:? pardon, what is the purpose of wearing clothing with imprinted slogan if not for appearance id est everything to do with it ¿
You appeared to be saying that my interpretation of the possible intent of the tee-shirt wording was based on the appearance of the person wearing it.
I was just saying it wasn’t, that’s all.
No no we were agreeing with your contention that {even if it isn’t a typo, maybe it’s her comment on what she sees around her, rather than her recommendations on how people should behave} and adding our own interpretation, that according to popular stereotype the bearer appears ASIAN, and therefore is much more likely to be a genius making a subtle ironic point about descriptivism.
Ah, well that’s alright then.
DV this may interest you:
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/06/11/meet-our-us-2020-election-forecasting-model?
Witty Rejoinder said:
DV this may interest you:https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/06/11/meet-our-us-2020-election-forecasting-model?
Ooops. This link:
https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president/how-this-works?

captain_spalding said:
bit harsh.
Republican Voters Against Trump
(link open 1m YouTube video)
https://www.vox.com/identities/2020/4/2/21204113/mashpee-wampanoag-tribe-trump-reservation-native-land
Trump administration revokes reservation status for Mashpee Wampanoag tribe amid coronavirus crisis
The tribe’s 321 acres of land has been ordered taken out of federal trust.
While Indian Country was responding to the growing number of coronavirus cases in its communities late Friday, the Trump administration was busy revoking the reservation status of the Mashpee Wampanoag tribe in Massachusetts. By taking their 321 acres of land out of federal trust, the Interior Department’s order also removes the tribe’s ability to govern on its land. This process has been done only one other time since the Termination Policy in the 1950s.
shit eh
https://talkbusiness.net/2020/06/poll-independents-dissatisfied-with-trump-cotton-biden-competitive-in-arkansas/
President Donald Trump and U.S. Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., are struggling with independent voters in Arkansas less than five months before Election Day.
A new survey from Talk Business & Politics-Hendrix College shows that Trump and Cotton have negative job approval ratings with voters, with independents giving them low marks by a double-digit margin. The poll was conducted Tuesday, June 9 and Wednesday, June 10, of 869 statewide likely voters and has a margin of error of +/-3.3%.
Q: Do you approve or disapprove of the job that Donald Trump is doing as President?
46% Approve
50% Disapprove
4% Unsure
Q: Do you approve or disapprove of the job that Tom Cotton is doing as a United States Senator?
44% Approve
47% Disapprove
9% Unsure
While partisan voters predictably cast their strong opinions in positive and negative directions, self-identified independent voters in Arkansas disapprove of Trump by a 39-54% margin and disapprove of Cotton by a 39-51% margin. Voters in this same poll gave Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson a 62-19% positive job review, with independents supporting Hutchinson by a 64-20% margin.
In a baseline question to monitor the presidential race between now and November, Arkansas voters today only give Trump a two-point advantage over Democrat Joe Biden.
Q: If the election for President were being held today, which candidate would you support?
47% Donald J. Trump
45% Joseph R. Biden
5% Another candidate
3% Unsure
Trump won Arkansas with 60% of the vote in 2016. Again, independent voters are leaning to Biden by a 46-40% margin.
The US Supreme Court has delivered a watershed victory for LGBT rights — and a defeat for President Donald Trump’s administration — by ruling that a longstanding law barring workplace discrimination also protects gay and transgender employees.
The landmark 6-3 ruling represented the biggest moment for LGBT rights in the United States since the Supreme Court legalised same-sex marriage nationwide in 2015.
Two conservative justices joined the court’s four liberals in the decision: Neil Gorsuch, a 2017 Trump administration appointee who wrote the ruling, and Chief Justice John Roberts.
The justices decided that gay and transgender people are protected under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which bars employers from discriminating against employees on the basis of sex as well as race, colour, national origin and religion.
Workplace bias against gay and transgender employees had remained legal in much of the country, with 28 US states lacking comprehensive measures against employment discrimination.
The ruling, which involved two gay rights cases from Georgia and New York and a transgender rights case from Michigan, recognises new worker protections in federal law.
“The Supreme Court’s historic decision affirms what shouldn’t have even been a debate: LGBTQ Americans should be able to work without fear of losing jobs because of who they are,” said Sarah Kate Ellis, president of gay rights group GLAAD.
The legal fight focused on the definition of “sex” in Title VII. The plaintiffs, along with civil rights groups and many large companies, had argued that discriminating against gay and transgender workers was inherently based on their sex and consequently was illegal.
Mr Trump’s administration had backed the employers who were sued for discrimination. The administration and the employers argued that Congress did not intend for Title VII to protect gay and transgender people when it passed the law.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-16/us-supreme-court-bars-discrimination-against-lgbt-workers/12358502
good
DT has talked about the AIDS vaccine, which I’m sure is great new news to everyone… a very stable genius.
Arts said:
DT has talked about the AIDS vaccine, which I’m sure is great new news to everyone… a very stable genius.
They have cured a couple of people or least it’s not detectable by tests but its not a vaccine
Arts said:
a very stable genius.
Bit doddery going down ramps though.
Cymek said:
Arts said:
DT has talked about the AIDS vaccine, which I’m sure is great new news to everyone… a very stable genius.
They have cured a couple of people or least it’s not detectable by tests but its not a vaccine
Yes. I’m sure DT is totally with the latest breakthroughs in retrovirals.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
Arts said:
DT has talked about the AIDS vaccine, which I’m sure is great new news to everyone… a very stable genius.
They have cured a couple of people or least it’s not detectable by tests but its not a vaccine
Yes. I’m sure DT is totally with the latest breakthroughs in anti-retrovirals.
Fixed.
Cymek said:
Arts said:
DT has talked about the AIDS vaccine, which I’m sure is great new news to everyone… a very stable genius.
They have cured a couple of people or least it’s not detectable by tests but its not a vaccine
everyone knows that the virus isn’t the death sentence it once was.. but ffs.. I don’t understand why people can’t see this utter bullshit.. to the point of defending him. If he get ANY votes in November it’s too many.
Arts said:
Cymek said:
Arts said:
DT has talked about the AIDS vaccine, which I’m sure is great new news to everyone… a very stable genius.
They have cured a couple of people or least it’s not detectable by tests but its not a vaccine
everyone knows that the virus isn’t the death sentence it once was.. but ffs.. I don’t understand why people can’t see this utter bullshit.. to the point of defending him. If he get ANY votes in November it’s too many.
I wonder how he compares to other ignorant people
Cymek said:
Arts said:
Cymek said:They have cured a couple of people or least it’s not detectable by tests but its not a vaccine
everyone knows that the virus isn’t the death sentence it once was.. but ffs.. I don’t understand why people can’t see this utter bullshit.. to the point of defending him. If he get ANY votes in November it’s too many.
I wonder how he compares to other ignorant people
bigly.
JudgeMental said:
Cymek said:
Arts said:everyone knows that the virus isn’t the death sentence it once was.. but ffs.. I don’t understand why people can’t see this utter bullshit.. to the point of defending him. If he get ANY votes in November it’s too many.
I wonder how he compares to other ignorant people
bigly.
Yes I could imagine so
Would it make sense to develop an AIDS vaccine it’s spread could effectively be reduced to almost zero with protective measures.
Could it encourage behaviours that are still risky but just not for getting HIV
Cymek said:
Arts said:
Cymek said:They have cured a couple of people or least it’s not detectable by tests but its not a vaccine
everyone knows that the virus isn’t the death sentence it once was.. but ffs.. I don’t understand why people can’t see this utter bullshit.. to the point of defending him. If he get ANY votes in November it’s too many.
I wonder how he compares to other ignorant people
he is their king
Cymek said:
Arts said:
Cymek said:They have cured a couple of people or least it’s not detectable by tests but its not a vaccine
everyone knows that the virus isn’t the death sentence it once was.. but ffs.. I don’t understand why people can’t see this utter bullshit.. to the point of defending him. If he get ANY votes in November it’s too many.
I wonder how he compares to other ignorant people
Thankfully most dumbarses know they’re dumbarses…
I mean he says the words “AIDS vaccine”. and then he sort of falters.. because he must realise that what he has said is wrong.. then he covers that with vague generalisations as if to divert your attention away to what he has said. Rather than say something, apologise for getting it wrong and then move forward. Listening to him is like splashing around in washing machine waste water that has sat in a bucket in the sun for five days… and yet I can’t stop… it’s infuriating.
Cymek said:
Would it make sense to develop an AIDS vaccine it’s spread could effectively be reduced to almost zero with protective measures.
Could it encourage behaviours that are still risky but just not for getting HIV
PEP and PrEP mean most with HIV neither get sick with AIDS nor pass the virus on.
Arts said:
DT has talked about the AIDS vaccine, which I’m sure is great new news to everyone… a very stable genius.
What did he say about the AIDS vaccine? Is he prioritising research into its development?
maybe I’m more riled up because I just finished watching How to Survive a Plague… which was a brilliant documentary
dv said:
Arts said:
DT has talked about the AIDS vaccine, which I’m sure is great new news to everyone… a very stable genius.
What did he say about the AIDS vaccine? Is he prioritising research into its development?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1272933012657725441
36 seconds
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:
DT has talked about the AIDS vaccine, which I’m sure is great new news to everyone… a very stable genius.
What did he say about the AIDS vaccine? Is he prioritising research into its development?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1272933012657725441
36 seconds
Damn they really kept that one under wraps.
I don’t even like it when someone says “he does the word salad”. because salad is healthy and has positive connotations to me… he comes up with word effluent.
dv said:
Arts said:
DT has talked about the AIDS vaccine, which I’m sure is great new news to everyone… a very stable genius.
What did he say about the AIDS vaccine? Is he prioritising research into its development?
Arts beat me to it because of Facebook’s algorithms. I knew I’d seen the tweet on the FB page Refutations to Anti-Vaccine Memes, but when I went to search for it, FB gave me a list of pro-vaccine pages.
Deadly serious, hand on heart, I think he is the stupidest and most ignorant famous person.
Trump 6/16: They’ve come up with the AIDS vaccine
Trump 3/6: I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, “How do you know so much about this?” Maybe I have a natural ability…
Arts said:
Cymek said:
Arts said:everyone knows that the virus isn’t the death sentence it once was.. but ffs.. I don’t understand why people can’t see this utter bullshit.. to the point of defending him. If he get ANY votes in November it’s too many.
I wonder how he compares to other ignorant people
he is their king
I used to think GW Bush was the Magic Pudding of dumbfuckery, but this guy makes him look like a Rhodes Scholar.
Arts said:
Trump 6/16: They’ve come up with the AIDS vaccineTrump 3/6: I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, “How do you know so much about this?” Maybe I have a natural ability…
And when he doesn’t die from COVID, he’ll be telling people he has a natural immunity.
Divine Angel said:
Arts said:
Trump 6/16: They’ve come up with the AIDS vaccineTrump 3/6: I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, “How do you know so much about this?” Maybe I have a natural ability…
And when he doesn’t die from COVID, he’ll be telling people he has a natural immunity.
the best in the world.
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:What did he say about the AIDS vaccine? Is he prioritising research into its development?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1272933012657725441
36 seconds
Damn they really kept that one under wraps.
It got several rotations on the ABC news this morning, then a couple on the show after it.
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
Arts said:https://twitter.com/i/status/1272933012657725441
36 seconds
Damn they really kept that one under wraps.
It got several rotations on the ABC news this morning, then a couple on the show after it.
I’m waiting for the Sarah Cooper version.
Rule 303 said:
Arts said:
Cymek said:I wonder how he compares to other ignorant people
he is their king
I used to think GW Bush was the Magic Pudding of dumbfuckery, but this guy makes him look like a Rhodes Scholar.
Aye. Dubbya also seems caring and compassionate by comparison too.
dv said:
Deadly serious, hand on heart, I think he is the stupidest and most ignorant famous person.
Or at least the most widely publicised.
dv said:
Deadly serious, hand on heart, I think he is the stupidest and most ignorant famous person.
I think the kardashian clan takes that honour.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Deadly serious, hand on heart, I think he is the stupidest and most ignorant famous person.
I think the kardashian clan takes that honour.
Shallow and vacuous certainly but they don’t seem to be promoters of untruths as much as the moron in the White House.
Arts said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:Damn they really kept that one under wraps.
It got several rotations on the ABC news this morning, then a couple on the show after it.
I’m waiting for the Sarah Cooper version.
I mean they kept the AIDS vaccine under wraps
party_pants said:
dv said:
Deadly serious, hand on heart, I think he is the stupidest and most ignorant famous person.
I think the kardashian clan takes that honour.
No seriously. I would not expect a Kardashian to say shit as moronic as this.
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Deadly serious, hand on heart, I think he is the stupidest and most ignorant famous person.
I think the kardashian clan takes that honour.
No seriously. I would not expect a Kardashian to say shit as moronic as this.
They are more vacuous than stupid and I imagine much is scripted anyway
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Deadly serious, hand on heart, I think he is the stupidest and most ignorant famous person.
I think the kardashian clan takes that honour.
No seriously. I would not expect a Kardashian to say shit as moronic as this.
In the last few days he is starting to sound a bit senile, I’ll pay that.
Was he just being sarcastic?
Again.
captain_spalding said:
Was he just being sarcastic?Again.
PRANKED
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Deadly serious, hand on heart, I think he is the stupidest and most ignorant famous person.
I think the kardashian clan takes that honour.
No seriously. I would not expect a Kardashian to say shit as moronic as this.
Gwyneth Paltrow.
I shall say no more.
sibeen said:
dv said:
party_pants said:I think the kardashian clan takes that honour.
No seriously. I would not expect a Kardashian to say shit as moronic as this.
Gwyneth Paltrow.
I shall say no more.
the new white fruit loop?
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
dv said:No seriously. I would not expect a Kardashian to say shit as moronic as this.
Gwyneth Paltrow.
I shall say no more.
the new white fruit loop?
I suppose Pete Evans is right up there. Maybe DT is the dumbest politician.
Witty Rejoinder said:
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:Gwyneth Paltrow.
I shall say no more.
the new white fruit loop?
I suppose Pete Evans is right up there. Maybe DT is the dumbest politician.
Our Pauline has got to be on that list too.
Witty Rejoinder said:
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:Gwyneth Paltrow.
I shall say no more.
the new white fruit loop?
I suppose Pete Evans is right up there. Maybe DT is the dumbest politician.
Gwyneth is selling crap to dumb people, doesn’t necessarily make her dumb. And Pete? Well, he might be mentally unwell…
It’s kind of distressing that so many people can be brought to mind with so little effort.
buffy said:
It’s kind of distressing that so many people can be brought to mind with so little effort.
well there’s 7e9 possibilities right
Saw that Lindsay Graham ad by Republicans Voters Against Trump. It is indeed gold.
https://youtu.be/g5Xpwyd4aMM
But there are lot of 2016 clips by Republicans they could use
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
Arts said:he is their king
I used to think GW Bush was the Magic Pudding of dumbfuckery, but this guy makes him look like a Rhodes Scholar.
Aye. Dubbya also seems caring and compassionate by comparison too.
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/650658535743231/?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e
He now looks like a statesmanlike intellectual giant
These are Trump’s worst approval levels since he shut down the federal government in December 2018/Janurary 2019.
dv said:
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These are Trump’s worst approval levels since he shut down the federal government in December 2018/Janurary 2019.
Best figures yet. No-one has ever had better figures.
dv said:
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These are Trump’s worst approval levels since he shut down the federal government in December 2018/Janurary 2019.
but he just tweeted me that his approval rating in the GOP is 98%…
Arts said:
dv said:
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These are Trump’s worst approval levels since he shut down the federal government in December 2018/Janurary 2019.
but he just tweeted me that his approval rating in the GOP is 98%…
Whom to believe. It is a conundrum.
Rule 303 said:
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Good one!
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Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Good one!
:)
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Agree. :)
Washington: President Donald Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping to help him win the 2020 US election, telling Xi during a summit dinner last year that increased agricultural purchases by Beijing from American farmers would aid his electoral prospects, according to a damning new account of life inside the Trump administration by former national security adviser John Bolton.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-asked-chinas-xi-to-help-him-win-reelection-according-to-bolton-book-20200618-p553py.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
Washington: President Donald Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping to help him win the 2020 US election, telling Xi during a summit dinner last year that increased agricultural purchases by Beijing from American farmers would aid his electoral prospects, according to a damning new account of life inside the Trump administration by former national security adviser John Bolton.Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-asked-chinas-xi-to-help-him-win-reelection-according-to-bolton-book-20200618-p553py.html
‘Cmon, Pooh Bear, just do your ol’ pal Dumpster this one favour, and i promise we won’t make any noises about slave labour and stuff. I mean, it’s not like i can ask Vlad to help out again – we got out that shitstorm over the last election by the skin of our teeth.’
Witty Rejoinder said:
Washington: President Donald Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping to help him win the 2020 US election, telling Xi during a summit dinner last year that increased agricultural purchases by Beijing from American farmers would aid his electoral prospects, according to a damning new account of life inside the Trump administration by former national security adviser John Bolton.Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-asked-chinas-xi-to-help-him-win-reelection-according-to-bolton-book-20200618-p553py.html
But saying that would lead to China decreasing their purchases from American farmers, which would be bad for both American Farmers and Trump.
So it seems like a strange tactic.
He’s got more front than a labor branch stacker.
Peak Warming Man said:
He’s got more front than a labor branch stacker.
But is he dumber than a Queensland politician?
Rule 303 said:
Peak Warming Man said:
He’s got more front than a labor branch stacker.
But is he dumber than a Queensland politician?
Seems to know something about cronyism.
The Rev Dodgson said:
But saying that would lead to China decreasing their purchases from American farmers, which would be bad for both American Farmers and Trump.
Can’t grasp that.
I understood the report to be that Dumpster wanted Jing the Ping to buy more stuff from America, so that he could boast about the ‘great deal’ he’d done with China, and earn some brownie points in the US farming states.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But saying that would lead to China decreasing their purchases from American farmers, which would be bad for both American Farmers and Trump.
Can’t grasp that.
I understood the report to be that Dumpster wanted Jing the Ping to buy more stuff from America, so that he could boast about the ‘great deal’ he’d done with China, and earn some brownie points in the US farming states.
That’s the quid but the quo is kind of implied.
Bolton also charged that when Xi told Trump during a meeting at last year’s G-20 summit that China was building concentration camps for the mass detention of Uyghur Muslims, Trump said Xi should go ahead building the camps, “which he thought was exactly the right thing to do.”
At another meeting during the G-20 Summit in Osaka, Bolton writes Trump “stunningly” turned the conversation to the upcoming 2020 election. The former national security adviser said Trump “stressed the importance of farmers and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome,” adding that he “would print Trump’s exact words, but the government’s prepublication review process has decided otherwise.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/17/opinions/boltons-staggering-profile-in-cowardice-honig/index.html
(Editor’s note:Elie Honig is a CNN legal analyst and former federal and state prosecutor. The views expressed in this commentary are his own. )
(CNN)John Bolton has offered the nation a staggering profile in cowardice. He has left no doubt about his own monumental betrayal of his country.
By his own belated admission, Bolton directly witnessed not one but multiple acts that could have been cited in the impeachment of President Donald Trump. But Bolton did nothing about it while he held a powerful post in the Trump administration. And he stayed quiet and took cover when Congress and the nation pleaded with him to speak out during the impeachment process. Yet now that he has entered book promo mode, Bolton suddenly has summoned the spine that he was sorely missing back when it would have made an actual difference.
Bolton had ample opportunity to speak up throughout the monthslong impeachment of Trump over the Ukraine scandal. House investigators first asked that he appear to give voluntary testimony; Bolton was a no-show. Bolton then retained counsel, who requested a subpoena and promised to go to the courts for adjudication.
Investigators decided not to issue a subpoena and spend months bogged down in court. Bolton later claimed he would testify in the Senate, if subpoenaed. But Senate Republicans — quite likely fearful of what Bolton might say — voted not to hear any witnesses at all.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But saying that would lead to China decreasing their purchases from American farmers, which would be bad for both American Farmers and Trump.
Can’t grasp that.
I understood the report to be that Dumpster wanted Jing the Ping to buy more stuff from America, so that he could boast about the ‘great deal’ he’d done with China, and earn some brownie points in the US farming states.
Yeah, but whatever Jing’s faults, doing what Trump wants just because he asks is not one of them.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But saying that would lead to China decreasing their purchases from American farmers, which would be bad for both American Farmers and Trump.
Can’t grasp that.
I understood the report to be that Dumpster wanted Jing the Ping to buy more stuff from America, so that he could boast about the ‘great deal’ he’d done with China, and earn some brownie points in the US farming states.
Yeah, but whatever Jing’s faults, doing what Trump wants just because he asks is not one of them.
Oh, no, there’d certainly be some sort of favour in return.
Whether it’s getting the US to keep its mouth shut about uighyurs, slave labour, Hong Kong repression, not supporting some sort of coronavirus investigation, South China Sea,, or who knows what, Xi would make sure he got his money’s worth out of Trump.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But saying that would lead to China decreasing their purchases from American farmers, which would be bad for both American Farmers and Trump.
Can’t grasp that.
I understood the report to be that Dumpster wanted Jing the Ping to buy more stuff from America, so that he could boast about the ‘great deal’ he’d done with China, and earn some brownie points in the US farming states.
Yeah, but whatever Jing’s faults, doing what Trump wants just because he asks is not one of them.
Plus with Trump slinging mud regarding the “China Virus” and use threats of tariffs, and whatnot, I’m sure Xi wouldn’t be disposed to helping Trump…
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:Can’t grasp that.
I understood the report to be that Dumpster wanted Jing the Ping to buy more stuff from America, so that he could boast about the ‘great deal’ he’d done with China, and earn some brownie points in the US farming states.
Yeah, but whatever Jing’s faults, doing what Trump wants just because he asks is not one of them.
Oh, no, there’d certainly be some sort of favour in return.
Whether it’s getting the US to keep its mouth shut about uighyurs, slave labour, Hong Kong repression, not supporting some sort of coronavirus investigation, South China Sea,, or who knows what, Xi would make sure he got his money’s worth out of Trump.
Oh, the US Navy is still out there in the SCS doing FON exercises. The US have not given up and have not ceded to China over that. It has become the new hot-spot in geopolitics.
party_pants said:
Oh, the US Navy is still out there in the SCS doing FON exercises. The US have not given up and have not ceded to China over that. It has become the new hot-spot in geopolitics.
The USN is there right now, but Xi has a lever now.
Getting the USN to go home could be just one condition Xi attaches to any deal that Trump wants to do.
And we all know that there’s not likely to be much that Trump wouldn’t do to try to increase his chance of staying in the White House.
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:Can’t grasp that.
I understood the report to be that Dumpster wanted Jing the Ping to buy more stuff from America, so that he could boast about the ‘great deal’ he’d done with China, and earn some brownie points in the US farming states.
Yeah, but whatever Jing’s faults, doing what Trump wants just because he asks is not one of them.
Plus with Trump slinging mud regarding the “China Virus” and use threats of tariffs, and whatnot, I’m sure Xi wouldn’t be disposed to helping Trump…
Chaos in the White House benefits China’s interests.
Witty Rejoinder said:
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Yeah, but whatever Jing’s faults, doing what Trump wants just because he asks is not one of them.
Plus with Trump slinging mud regarding the “China Virus” and use threats of tariffs, and whatnot, I’m sure Xi wouldn’t be disposed to helping Trump…
Chaos in the White House benefits China’s interests.
Does it?
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:Oh, the US Navy is still out there in the SCS doing FON exercises. The US have not given up and have not ceded to China over that. It has become the new hot-spot in geopolitics.
The USN is there right now, but Xi has a lever now.
Getting the USN to go home could be just one condition Xi attaches to any deal that Trump wants to do.
And we all know that there’s not likely to be much that Trump wouldn’t do to try to increase his chance of staying in the White House.
he’s a mover and a shaker, that guy, a fixer, has impoverished juvenile fantasies so, washed out of essential detail between, what mostly exists between, the important stuff, hence the dumb reality, dumbing of
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
furious said:Plus with Trump slinging mud regarding the “China Virus” and use threats of tariffs, and whatnot, I’m sure Xi wouldn’t be disposed to helping Trump…
Chaos in the White House benefits China’s interests.
Does it?
Yes.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Chaos in the White House benefits China’s interests.
Does it?
Yes.
within limits. China would not benefit from a complete implosion of the US economy.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Does it?
Yes.
within limits. China would not benefit from a complete implosion of the US economy.
That is extremely unlikely no matter who is in the WH.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yes.
within limits. China would not benefit from a complete implosion of the US economy.
That is extremely unlikely no matter who is in the WH.
To be sure I think China is glad at the current level. They still have a reliable trading partner but can also point to it as a clear example of the dangers of democracy…
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Does it?
Yes.
within limits. China would not benefit from a complete implosion of the US economy.
I don’t think China benefits at all.
It may be of some benefit to the Chinese leadership, but even that is doubtful.
The Russian leadership is another matter. I’m happy to agree that Putin benefits from Trump in the White House.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yes.
within limits. China would not benefit from a complete implosion of the US economy.
I don’t think China benefits at all.
It may be of some benefit to the Chinese leadership, but even that is doubtful.
The Russian leadership is another matter. I’m happy to agree that Putin benefits from Trump in the White House.
The most consequential strategic rivalry in the 30 years will be between the US and China. It is advantageous to China’s interests to have a president in the White House who abandons international institutions, sidelines its major allies and sows discontent at home both politically and economically. It’s is all part of China’s narrative of a US in decline.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:within limits. China would not benefit from a complete implosion of the US economy.
I don’t think China benefits at all.
It may be of some benefit to the Chinese leadership, but even that is doubtful.
The Russian leadership is another matter. I’m happy to agree that Putin benefits from Trump in the White House.
The most consequential strategic rivalry in the 30 years will be between the US and China. It is advantageous to China’s interests to have a president in the White House who abandons international institutions, sidelines its major allies and sows discontent at home both politically and economically. It’s is all part of China’s narrative of a US in decline.
It depends what China’s aims are: modern and wealthy developed nation and world leader, or new superpower with political and economic clout to meddle in the affairs of other nations, or in a sense reclaiming China’s historic place as the middle kingdom and centre of the world.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:within limits. China would not benefit from a complete implosion of the US economy.
I don’t think China benefits at all.
It may be of some benefit to the Chinese leadership, but even that is doubtful.
The Russian leadership is another matter. I’m happy to agree that Putin benefits from Trump in the White House.
The most consequential strategic rivalry in the 30 years will be between the US and China. It is advantageous to China’s interests to have a president in the White House who abandons international institutions, sidelines its major allies and sows discontent at home both politically and economically. It’s is all part of China’s narrative of a US in decline.
We can imagine an alternative universe in which the president was committed to fixing China’s unfair trade practices and human rights abuses and hence used diplomacy and moral high ground to amass international and domestic allies to that end, rather than, say, weakening the Western Alliance and looking like a dodgy amoral prat.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I don’t think China benefits at all.
It may be of some benefit to the Chinese leadership, but even that is doubtful.
The Russian leadership is another matter. I’m happy to agree that Putin benefits from Trump in the White House.
The most consequential strategic rivalry in the 30 years will be between the US and China. It is advantageous to China’s interests to have a president in the White House who abandons international institutions, sidelines its major allies and sows discontent at home both politically and economically. It’s is all part of China’s narrative of a US in decline.
We can imagine an alternative universe in which the president was committed to fixing China’s unfair trade practices and human rights abuses and hence used diplomacy and moral high ground to amass international and domestic allies to that end, rather than, say, weakening the Western Alliance and looking like a dodgy amoral prat.
Looking like? DJT is a dodgy amoral prat.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The most consequential strategic rivalry in the 30 years will be between the US and China. It is advantageous to China’s interests to have a president in the White House who abandons international institutions, sidelines its major allies and sows discontent at home both politically and economically. It’s is all part of China’s narrative of a US in decline.
We can imagine an alternative universe in which the president was committed to fixing China’s unfair trade practices and human rights abuses and hence used diplomacy and moral high ground to amass international and domestic allies to that end, rather than, say, weakening the Western Alliance and looking like a dodgy amoral prat.
Looking like? DJT is a dodgy amoral prat.
Sure but some DAPs are more subtle about it
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:We can imagine an alternative universe in which the president was committed to fixing China’s unfair trade practices and human rights abuses and hence used diplomacy and moral high ground to amass international and domestic allies to that end, rather than, say, weakening the Western Alliance and looking like a dodgy amoral prat.
Looking like? DJT is a dodgy amoral prat.
Sure but some DAPs are more subtle about it
Fair call.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:within limits. China would not benefit from a complete implosion of the US economy.
I don’t think China benefits at all.
It may be of some benefit to the Chinese leadership, but even that is doubtful.
The Russian leadership is another matter. I’m happy to agree that Putin benefits from Trump in the White House.
The most consequential strategic rivalry in the 30 years will be between the US and China. It is advantageous to China’s interests to have a president in the White House who abandons international institutions, sidelines its major allies and sows discontent at home both politically and economically. It’s is all part of China’s narrative of a US in decline.
No, none of that is in China’s interests.
What is in China’s interests is:
1) to do whatever they can to ensure that as many people as possible are in a position to buy as much Chinese produce as possible.
2) the probability of external conflicts having an effect on China is minimised.
3) adverse environmental changes are minimised.
4) mistreatment of minorities by the Chinese government is minimised, so far as is possible without major harm to the rest of the Chinese population.
1) to 3) would also be in the interests of the Chinese government. Even 4) would, in the long term.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I don’t think China benefits at all.
It may be of some benefit to the Chinese leadership, but even that is doubtful.
The Russian leadership is another matter. I’m happy to agree that Putin benefits from Trump in the White House.
The most consequential strategic rivalry in the 30 years will be between the US and China. It is advantageous to China’s interests to have a president in the White House who abandons international institutions, sidelines its major allies and sows discontent at home both politically and economically. It’s is all part of China’s narrative of a US in decline.
No, none of that is in China’s interests.
What is in China’s interests is:
1) to do whatever they can to ensure that as many people as possible are in a position to buy as much Chinese produce as possible.
2) the probability of external conflicts having an effect on China is minimised.
3) adverse environmental changes are minimised.
4) mistreatment of minorities by the Chinese government is minimised, so far as is possible without major harm to the rest of the Chinese population.1) to 3) would also be in the interests of the Chinese government. Even 4) would, in the long term.
we all speculate but are any of us nominally communist police state entities
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I don’t think China benefits at all.
It may be of some benefit to the Chinese leadership, but even that is doubtful.
The Russian leadership is another matter. I’m happy to agree that Putin benefits from Trump in the White House.
The most consequential strategic rivalry in the 30 years will be between the US and China. It is advantageous to China’s interests to have a president in the White House who abandons international institutions, sidelines its major allies and sows discontent at home both politically and economically. It’s is all part of China’s narrative of a US in decline.
It depends what China’s aims are: modern and wealthy developed nation and world leader, or new superpower with political and economic clout to meddle in the affairs of other nations, or in a sense reclaiming China’s historic place as the middle kingdom and centre of the world.
IMO a totalitarian state cannot hope to do anything but co-exist with a wider community of democratic nations. China may very well develop peacefully and without interfering in the internal affairs of other nations but with the leadership convinced that a one party dictatorship is superior to democracy it will unfortunately serve as a beacon for tyrants everywhere.
Witty Rejoinder said:
IMO a totalitarian state cannot hope to do anything but co-exist with a wider community of democratic nations. China may very well develop peacefully and without interfering in the internal affairs of other nations but with the leadership convinced that a one party dictatorship is superior to democracy it will unfortunately serve as a beacon for tyrants everywhere.
Totalitarianism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. There’s probably a 50% overlap.
mollwollfumble said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
IMO a totalitarian state cannot hope to do anything but co-exist with a wider community of democratic nations. China may very well develop peacefully and without interfering in the internal affairs of other nations but with the leadership convinced that a one party dictatorship is superior to democracy it will unfortunately serve as a beacon for tyrants everywhere.
Totalitarianism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. There’s probably a 50% overlap.
As I may have mentioned occasionally in the past, I think there is way too much either/orism in the World.
Even so, I’m struggling to see how there could be a 50% overlap between democracy and totalitarianism.
(And I thought you disapproved of ism words.)
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
IMO a totalitarian state cannot hope to do anything but co-exist with a wider community of democratic nations. China may very well develop peacefully and without interfering in the internal affairs of other nations but with the leadership convinced that a one party dictatorship is superior to democracy it will unfortunately serve as a beacon for tyrants everywhere.
Totalitarianism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. There’s probably a 50% overlap.
As I may have mentioned occasionally in the past, I think there is way too much either/orism in the World.
Even so, I’m struggling to see how there could be a 50% overlap between democracy and totalitarianism.
(And I thought you disapproved of ism words.)
true, it’s closer to 100%
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:Totalitarianism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. There’s probably a 50% overlap.
As I may have mentioned occasionally in the past, I think there is way too much either/orism in the World.
Even so, I’m struggling to see how there could be a 50% overlap between democracy and totalitarianism.
(And I thought you disapproved of ism words.)
true, it’s closer to 100%
Please show working.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:As I may have mentioned occasionally in the past, I think there is way too much either/orism in the World.
Even so, I’m struggling to see how there could be a 50% overlap between democracy and totalitarianism.
(And I thought you disapproved of ism words.)
true, it’s closer to 100%
Please show working.
Well which countries are called Democratic ¿
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:true, it’s closer to 100%
Please show working.
Well which countries are called Democratic ¿
you mean seriously or joking? Like NK calls themselves democratic but i reckon they’re just having a lend.
JudgeMental said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Please show working.
Well which countries are called Democratic ¿
you mean seriously or joking? Like NK calls themselves democratic but i reckon they’re just having a lend.
So uh 100% so far then ¿
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:true, it’s closer to 100%
Please show working.
Well which countries are called Democratic ¿
OK, on that basis I suppose I’ll have to agree.
JudgeMental said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Please show working.
Well which countries are called Democratic ¿
you mean seriously or joking? Like NK calls themselves democratic but i reckon they’re just having a lend.
I think that was his point.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
SCIENCE said:Well which countries are called Democratic ¿
you mean seriously or joking? Like NK calls themselves democratic but i reckon they’re just having a lend.
I think that was his point.
Mmmmm I know.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I don’t think China benefits at all.
It may be of some benefit to the Chinese leadership, but even that is doubtful.
The Russian leadership is another matter. I’m happy to agree that Putin benefits from Trump in the White House.
The most consequential strategic rivalry in the 30 years will be between the US and China. It is advantageous to China’s interests to have a president in the White House who abandons international institutions, sidelines its major allies and sows discontent at home both politically and economically. It’s is all part of China’s narrative of a US in decline.
No, none of that is in China’s interests.
What is in China’s interests is:
1) to do whatever they can to ensure that as many people as possible are in a position to buy as much Chinese produce as possible.
2) the probability of external conflicts having an effect on China is minimised.
3) adverse environmental changes are minimised.
4) mistreatment of minorities by the Chinese government is minimised, so far as is possible without major harm to the rest of the Chinese population.1) to 3) would also be in the interests of the Chinese government. Even 4) would, in the long term.
This is all true but most commentary expects more nefarious goals to preoccupy the Chinese leadership. Two examples:
https://www.economist.com/china/2020/06/11/elites-in-beijing-see-america-in-decline-hastened-by-trump?
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-wants-trump-win-election-keep-destroying-us-alliances-bloomberg-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The most consequential strategic rivalry in the 30 years will be between the US and China. It is advantageous to China’s interests to have a president in the White House who abandons international institutions, sidelines its major allies and sows discontent at home both politically and economically. It’s is all part of China’s narrative of a US in decline.
No, none of that is in China’s interests.
What is in China’s interests is:
1) to do whatever they can to ensure that as many people as possible are in a position to buy as much Chinese produce as possible.
2) the probability of external conflicts having an effect on China is minimised.
3) adverse environmental changes are minimised.
4) mistreatment of minorities by the Chinese government is minimised, so far as is possible without major harm to the rest of the Chinese population.1) to 3) would also be in the interests of the Chinese government. Even 4) would, in the long term.
This is all true but most commentary expects more nefarious goals to preoccupy the Chinese leadership. Two examples:
https://www.economist.com/china/2020/06/11/elites-in-beijing-see-america-in-decline-hastened-by-trump?
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-wants-trump-win-election-keep-destroying-us-alliances-bloomberg-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
I suppose the people who wrote those articles may have a better idea what goes on inside the heads of Chinese leaders than I do.
But not much more.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:No, none of that is in China’s interests.
What is in China’s interests is:
1) to do whatever they can to ensure that as many people as possible are in a position to buy as much Chinese produce as possible.
2) the probability of external conflicts having an effect on China is minimised.
3) adverse environmental changes are minimised.
4) mistreatment of minorities by the Chinese government is minimised, so far as is possible without major harm to the rest of the Chinese population.1) to 3) would also be in the interests of the Chinese government. Even 4) would, in the long term.
This is all true but most commentary expects more nefarious goals to preoccupy the Chinese leadership. Two examples:
https://www.economist.com/china/2020/06/11/elites-in-beijing-see-america-in-decline-hastened-by-trump?
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-wants-trump-win-election-keep-destroying-us-alliances-bloomberg-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
I suppose the people who wrote those articles may have a better idea what goes on inside the heads of Chinese leaders than I do.
But not much more.
Most commentary from what source, possibly from an exceptional, self important source ¿
Trump does another walkabout.

captain_spalding said:
Trump does another walkabout.
Anus orangensis?
Comment from original poster:
‘How narcissistic do you have to be?
IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU, YOU DERANGED FUCKING TWAT-WAFFLE.
I just can’t, anymore, with this jackass.
Please check your voter registration, and actually VOTE. This has to stop.’
captain_spalding said:
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Comment from original poster:
‘How narcissistic do you have to be?
IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU, YOU DERANGED FUCKING TWAT-WAFFLE.I just can’t, anymore, with this jackass.
Please check your voter registration, and actually VOTE. This has to stop.’
but but it’s just the most exceptional endpoint of American exceptionalism
Facebook Removes Trump Ad That Uses Nazi Image
Trump’s official re-election campaign used an image on Facebook ads that was used by Nazis to signify political prisoners in concentration camps.
After receiving several complaints Facebook removed the posts today. A Facebook spokesperson told CNBC:
“We removed these posts and ads for violating our policy against organized hate. Our policy prohibits using a banned hate group’s symbol to identify political prisoners without the context that condemns or discusses the symbol.”
captain_spalding said:
Trump does another walkabout.
:)
It does…
dv said:
Facebook Removes Trump Ad That Uses Nazi ImageTrump’s official re-election campaign used an image on Facebook ads that was used by Nazis to signify political prisoners in concentration camps.
After receiving several complaints Facebook removed the posts today. A Facebook spokesperson told CNBC:
“We removed these posts and ads for violating our policy against organized hate. Our policy prohibits using a banned hate group’s symbol to identify political prisoners without the context that condemns or discusses the symbol.”
Tim Murtaugh, a spokesman for the Trump campaign, said, “We would note that Facebook still has an inverted red triangle emoji in use, which looks exactly the same, so it’s curious that they would target only this ad.”
I understand that some antifa protesters did adopt the red triangle, as a ‘badge of honour’ in their opposition to fascist ideas, as it was the symbol the Nazis used to identify political ‘criminals’/prisoners.
captain_spalding said:
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Comment from original poster:
‘How narcissistic do you have to be?
IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU, YOU DERANGED FUCKING TWAT-WAFFLE.I just can’t, anymore, with this jackass.
Please check your voter registration, and actually VOTE. This has to stop.’
Hope that works out.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump does another walkabout.
:)
It does…
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump does another walkabout.
:)
It does…
Are they are saying that Dunkin Donuts are shit?
Picture of the factory?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Facebook Removes Trump Ad That Uses Nazi ImageTrump’s official re-election campaign used an image on Facebook ads that was used by Nazis to signify political prisoners in concentration camps.
After receiving several complaints Facebook removed the posts today. A Facebook spokesperson told CNBC:
“We removed these posts and ads for violating our policy against organized hate. Our policy prohibits using a banned hate group’s symbol to identify political prisoners without the context that condemns or discusses the symbol.”
Tim Murtaugh, a spokesman for the Trump campaign, said, “We would note that Facebook still has an inverted red triangle emoji in use, which looks exactly the same, so it’s curious that they would target only this ad.”
I understand that some antifa protesters did adopt the red triangle, as a ‘badge of honour’ in their opposition to fascist ideas, as it was the symbol the Nazis used to identify political ‘criminals’/prisoners.
First Binge on inverted red triangle:
An inverted Red Triangle is the symbol for family planning health and contraception services, much as the red cross is a symbol for medical services.
(from Wikipedia)
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Facebook Removes Trump Ad That Uses Nazi ImageTrump’s official re-election campaign used an image on Facebook ads that was used by Nazis to signify political prisoners in concentration camps.
After receiving several complaints Facebook removed the posts today. A Facebook spokesperson told CNBC:
“We removed these posts and ads for violating our policy against organized hate. Our policy prohibits using a banned hate group’s symbol to identify political prisoners without the context that condemns or discusses the symbol.”
Tim Murtaugh, a spokesman for the Trump campaign, said, “We would note that Facebook still has an inverted red triangle emoji in use, which looks exactly the same, so it’s curious that they would target only this ad.”
I understand that some antifa protesters did adopt the red triangle, as a ‘badge of honour’ in their opposition to fascist ideas, as it was the symbol the Nazis used to identify political ‘criminals’/prisoners.
First Binge on inverted red triangle:
An inverted Red Triangle is the symbol for family planning health and contraception services, much as the red cross is a symbol for medical services.
(from Wikipedia)
what about one with black borders?
Why is it an “inverterted” triangle? This implies a triangle has a default orientation…
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Facebook Removes Trump Ad That Uses Nazi ImageTrump’s official re-election campaign used an image on Facebook ads that was used by Nazis to signify political prisoners in concentration camps.
After receiving several complaints Facebook removed the posts today. A Facebook spokesperson told CNBC:
“We removed these posts and ads for violating our policy against organized hate. Our policy prohibits using a banned hate group’s symbol to identify political prisoners without the context that condemns or discusses the symbol.”
Tim Murtaugh, a spokesman for the Trump campaign, said, “We would note that Facebook still has an inverted red triangle emoji in use, which looks exactly the same, so it’s curious that they would target only this ad.”
I understand that some antifa protesters did adopt the red triangle, as a ‘badge of honour’ in their opposition to fascist ideas, as it was the symbol the Nazis used to identify political ‘criminals’/prisoners.
First Binge on inverted red triangle:
An inverted Red Triangle is the symbol for family planning health and contraception services, much as the red cross is a symbol for medical services.
(from Wikipedia)
It’s also the symbol on the side of an aircraft that shows that an ejection seat is fitted.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/503413-trump-calls-for-new-justices-on-supreme-court-after-unfavorable
Trump calls for ‘new justices’ on Supreme Court after unfavorable rulings
President Trump on Thursday escalated his criticism of the Supreme Court after a pair of rulings this week against his administration, calling for new justices to be appointed and pledging to release a new list of potential nominees ahead of November’s presidential election.
“The recent Supreme Court decisions, not only on DACA, Sanctuary Cities, Census, and others, tell you only one thing, we need NEW JUSTICES of the Supreme Court,” Trump tweeted just hours after the court ruled against his move to rescind deportation protections for young undocumented immigrants.
Trump Can’t Immediately End DACA, Supreme Court Rules
The program, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, protects people brought to the United States as children by shielding them from deportation and letting them work.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/us/trump-daca-supreme-court.html
…
No Trump has added Chief Justice Roberts to his enemies list.
captain_spalding said:
It’s also the symbol on the side of an aircraft that shows that an ejection seat is fitted.
Well that one would at least make sense for the Trump team
furious said:
Why is it an “inverterted” triangle? This implies a triangle has a default orientation…
dv said:
captain_spalding said:It’s also the symbol on the side of an aircraft that shows that an ejection seat is fitted.
Well that one would at least make sense for the Trump team
They’ll be grabbing for that handle any moment now…
furious said:
Why is it an “inverterted” triangle? This implies a triangle has a default orientation…
It makes physical sense for it to be resting on its base.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:I understand that some antifa protesters did adopt the red triangle, as a ‘badge of honour’ in their opposition to fascist ideas, as it was the symbol the Nazis used to identify political ‘criminals’/prisoners.
First Binge on inverted red triangle:
An inverted Red Triangle is the symbol for family planning health and contraception services, much as the red cross is a symbol for medical services.
(from Wikipedia)
It’s also the symbol on the side of an aircraft that shows that an ejection seat is fitted.
it’s also a give way sign.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump Can’t Immediately End DACA, Supreme Court RulesThe program, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, protects people brought to the United States as children by shielding them from deportation and letting them work.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/us/trump-daca-supreme-court.html
…
No Trump has added Chief Justice Roberts to his enemies list.
“The majority opinion, written by Chief Justice John Roberts, made it clear that President Trump still has the power to rescind DACA later, if a solid justification is provided — the problem was that the way his administration did it was “arbitrary and capricious,” and therefore violated administrative law.”
Man, Trump would be furious, if he knew what those words meant.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump Can’t Immediately End DACA, Supreme Court RulesThe program, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, protects people brought to the United States as children by shielding them from deportation and letting them work.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/us/trump-daca-supreme-court.html
…
No Trump has added Chief Justice Roberts to his enemies list.
“The majority opinion, written by Chief Justice John Roberts, made it clear that President Trump still has the power to rescind DACA later, if a solid justification is provided — the problem was that the way his administration did it was “arbitrary and capricious,” and therefore violated administrative law.”
Man, Trump would be furious, if he knew what those words meant.
Ha!
:)
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump Can’t Immediately End DACA, Supreme Court RulesThe program, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, protects people brought to the United States as children by shielding them from deportation and letting them work.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/us/trump-daca-supreme-court.html
…
No Trump has added Chief Justice Roberts to his enemies list.
“The majority opinion, written by Chief Justice John Roberts, made it clear that President Trump still has the power to rescind DACA later, if a solid justification is provided — the problem was that the way his administration did it was “arbitrary and capricious,” and therefore violated administrative law.”
Man, Trump would be furious, if he knew what those words meant.
Don’t you just hate it when the people you appointed to jobs do the jobs they way they’re supposed to?

captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump Can’t Immediately End DACA, Supreme Court RulesThe program, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, protects people brought to the United States as children by shielding them from deportation and letting them work.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/us/trump-daca-supreme-court.html
…
No Trump has added Chief Justice Roberts to his enemies list.
“The majority opinion, written by Chief Justice John Roberts, made it clear that President Trump still has the power to rescind DACA later, if a solid justification is provided — the problem was that the way his administration did it was “arbitrary and capricious,” and therefore violated administrative law.”
Man, Trump would be furious, if he knew what those words meant.
Don’t you just hate it when the people you appointed to jobs do the jobs they way they’re supposed to?
lol
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:“The majority opinion, written by Chief Justice John Roberts, made it clear that President Trump still has the power to rescind DACA later, if a solid justification is provided — the problem was that the way his administration did it was “arbitrary and capricious,” and therefore violated administrative law.”
Man, Trump would be furious, if he knew what those words meant.
Don’t you just hate it when the people you appointed to jobs do the jobs they way they’re supposed to?
lol
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:Don’t you just hate it when the people you appointed to jobs do the jobs they way they’re supposed to?
lol
Tamb said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:lol
Gough found out about that one.
A lot of people liked Gough.
It took only a few people who didn’t like him, and one booze-addled pisspot in Yarralumla to overturn his government.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
Tamb said:
Gough found out about that one.A lot of people liked Gough.
It took only a few people who didn’t like him, and one booze-addled pisspot in Yarralumla to overturn his government.
Add to that the Queen’s displeasure at the thought of a republic buying back the farm.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
Tamb said:
Gough found out about that one.A lot of people liked Gough.
It took only a few people who didn’t like him, and one booze-addled pisspot in Yarralumla to overturn his government.
Gough was my fave.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
Tamb said:
Gough found out about that one.A lot of people liked Gough.
It took only a few people who didn’t like him, and one booze-addled pisspot in Yarralumla to overturn his government.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:Gough found out about that one.
A lot of people liked Gough.
It took only a few people who didn’t like him, and one booze-addled pisspot in Yarralumla to overturn his government.
Wasn’t Sirjonker a Gough appointee?
That’s an inconvenient truth.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:Gough found out about that one.
A lot of people liked Gough.
It took only a few people who didn’t like him, and one booze-addled pisspot in Yarralumla to overturn his government.
Gough was my fave.
Gough was tough till he hit the rough, hey…
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:Gough found out about that one.
A lot of people liked Gough.
It took only a few people who didn’t like him, and one booze-addled pisspot in Yarralumla to overturn his government.
Add to that the Queen’s displeasure at the thought of a republic buying back the farm.
Add to that the USA being upset about Australia borrowing money from the Arabs.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:A lot of people liked Gough.
It took only a few people who didn’t like him, and one booze-addled pisspot in Yarralumla to overturn his government.
Gough was my fave.
Gough was tough till he hit the rough, hey…
The Khemlani affair, was a political scandal involving the Whitlam Government in 1975, in which it was accused of attempting to unconstitutionally borrow money from Middle Eastern countries through the agency of Pakistani banker Tirath Khemlani
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:A lot of people liked Gough.
It took only a few people who didn’t like him, and one booze-addled pisspot in Yarralumla to overturn his government.
Add to that the Queen’s displeasure at the thought of a republic buying back the farm.
Add to that the USA being upset about Australia borrowing money from the Arabs.
That was one of the most egregious examples of Whitlam’s faults.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:I understand that some antifa protesters did adopt the red triangle, as a ‘badge of honour’ in their opposition to fascist ideas, as it was the symbol the Nazis used to identify political ‘criminals’/prisoners.
First Binge on inverted red triangle:
An inverted Red Triangle is the symbol for family planning health and contraception services, much as the red cross is a symbol for medical services.
(from Wikipedia)
It’s also the symbol on the side of an aircraft that shows that an ejection seat is fitted.
That is actually quite amusing from the point of view of how it is used above.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:Add to that the Queen’s displeasure at the thought of a republic buying back the farm.
Add to that the USA being upset about Australia borrowing money from the Arabs.
That was one of the most egregious examples of Whitlam’s faults.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:Add to that the Queen’s displeasure at the thought of a republic buying back the farm.
Add to that the USA being upset about Australia borrowing money from the Arabs.
That was one of the most egregious examples of Whitlam’s faults.
In fairness, it wasn’t that they borrowed money from the Arabs. It was that they sought to obtain financing for Federal projects in order to get around the Senate. I’ve a high opinion of Whitlam but that’s not how we do things. That’s Iran-Contra shit.
Tamb said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:Gough was my fave.
Gough was tough till he hit the rough, hey…
The Khemlani affair, was a political scandal involving the Whitlam Government in 1975, in which it was accused of attempting to unconstitutionally borrow money from Middle Eastern countries through the agency of Pakistani banker Tirath Khemlani
Khemlani was an urger, who was never as pivotal to the deal as the press made him out to be. He hung about on the edge of things, trying to claim credit for ‘introducing’ people to each other, and trying to parley those claims into him being entitled to some sort of finder’s fee of a few million dollars. He was a shonky little bastard, who really did nothing at all.
As for borrowing money, governments do it all the time. The Morrison govt is going to be casting around for lenders any minute now, in view of its recent expenditures, and its not likely to be fussy about who’s got the money. The Middle East will certainly be in the running.
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:Add to that the USA being upset about Australia borrowing money from the Arabs.
That was one of the most egregious examples of Whitlam’s faults.
I can never see the word egregious without thinking of Jim Hacker.
Aye.
They’re all dead now too :(
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:Add to that the USA being upset about Australia borrowing money from the Arabs.
That was one of the most egregious examples of Whitlam’s faults.
In fairness, it wasn’t that they borrowed money from the Arabs. It was that they sought to obtain financing for Federal projects in order to get around the Senate. I’ve a high opinion of Whitlam but that’s not how we do things. That’s Iran-Contra shit.
Indeed.
party_pants said:
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That was one of the most egregious examples of Whitlam’s faults.
I can never see the word egregious without thinking of Jim Hacker.Aye.
They’re all dead now too :(
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:Add to that the USA being upset about Australia borrowing money from the Arabs.
That was one of the most egregious examples of Whitlam’s faults.
In fairness, it wasn’t that they borrowed money from the Arabs. It was that they sought to obtain financing for Federal projects in order to get around the Senate. I’ve a high opinion of Whitlam but that’s not how we do things. That’s Iran-Contra shit.
Wasn’t that largely Jim Cairns though?
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:Add to that the Queen’s displeasure at the thought of a republic buying back the farm.
Add to that the USA being upset about Australia borrowing money from the Arabs.
That was one of the most egregious examples of Whitlam’s faults.
The USA had a Republican government and an intelligence establishment which was not kindly disposed to wards any government that showed any of those nasty ‘socialist’ inclinations.
It had a lot to do with Pinochet’s overthrow of the Allende govt in Chile in 1973, and was, shall we say, neither uninterested in or displeased by the manouvers of the
Liberals against Gough in 1974.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That was one of the most egregious examples of Whitlam’s faults.
In fairness, it wasn’t that they borrowed money from the Arabs. It was that they sought to obtain financing for Federal projects in order to get around the Senate. I’ve a high opinion of Whitlam but that’s not how we do things. That’s Iran-Contra shit.
Indeed.
Yeah, they could have handled that better, that’s for sure. Should have known the L/NP would seize on that.
But then, blocking supply is not how we do things, either.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:Add to that the USA being upset about Australia borrowing money from the Arabs.
That was one of the most egregious examples of Whitlam’s faults.
The USA had a Republican government and an intelligence establishment which was not kindly disposed to wards any government that showed any of those nasty ‘socialist’ inclinations.
It had a lot to do with Pinochet’s overthrow of the Allende govt in Chile in 1973, and was, shall we say, neither uninterested in or displeased by the manouvers of the
Liberals against Gough in 1974.
All because he wasn’t a real boy
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:A lot of people liked Gough.
It took only a few people who didn’t like him, and one booze-addled pisspot in Yarralumla to overturn his government.
Gough was my fave.
Gough was tough till he hit the rough, hey…
“Crash through or crash”
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:In fairness, it wasn’t that they borrowed money from the Arabs. It was that they sought to obtain financing for Federal projects in order to get around the Senate. I’ve a high opinion of Whitlam but that’s not how we do things. That’s Iran-Contra shit.
Indeed.
Yeah, they could have handled that better, that’s for sure. Should have known the L/NP would seize on that.
But then, blocking supply is not how we do things, either.
Seems it is often used as a threat.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:Add to that the USA being upset about Australia borrowing money from the Arabs.
That was one of the most egregious examples of Whitlam’s faults.
The USA had a Republican government and an intelligence establishment which was not kindly disposed to wards any government that showed any of those nasty ‘socialist’ inclinations.
It had a lot to do with Pinochet’s overthrow of the Allende govt in Chile in 1973, and was, shall we say, neither uninterested in or displeased by the manouvers of the
Liberals against Gough in 1974.
We were taught the Domino Theory in regards the communist takeover of the world in high school. Everything was seen through the lens of the Cold War at the time. It dominated thinking.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That was one of the most egregious examples of Whitlam’s faults.
The USA had a Republican government and an intelligence establishment which was not kindly disposed to wards any government that showed any of those nasty ‘socialist’ inclinations.
It had a lot to do with Pinochet’s overthrow of the Allende govt in Chile in 1973, and was, shall we say, neither uninterested in or displeased by the manouvers of the
Liberals against Gough in 1974.
We were taught the Domino Theory in regards the communist takeover of the world in high school. Everything was seen through the lens of the Cold War at the time. It dominated thinking.
Hence Vietnam.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:Gough was my fave.
Gough was tough till he hit the rough, hey…
“Crash through or crash”
I know a song about that too.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Indeed.
Yeah, they could have handled that better, that’s for sure. Should have known the L/NP would seize on that.
But then, blocking supply is not how we do things, either.
Seems it is often used as a threat.
Not by the Greens.
Let’s talk about red triangles and white roses….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2C8hUE7zVM
Beau.
He’s pretty sure it wasn’t a random mistake.
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about red triangles and white roses….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2C8hUE7zVMBeau.
He’s pretty sure it wasn’t a random mistake.
‘They don’t care what good he does for them. They care about how much he hurts those he doesn’t like. ‘
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about red triangles and white roses….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2C8hUE7zVMBeau.
He’s pretty sure it wasn’t a random mistake.
‘They don’t care what good he does for them. They care about how much he hurts those he doesn’t like. ‘
‘He’s a loser. He can’t even racist right.’
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/twitter-labels-trump-video-tweet-as-manipulated-media-20200619-p5549y.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/twitter-labels-trump-video-tweet-as-manipulated-media-20200619-p5549y.html
Manipulated to embed spelling mistake.
‘Racist todler’
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
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Comment from original poster:
‘How narcissistic do you have to be?
IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU, YOU DERANGED FUCKING TWAT-WAFFLE.I just can’t, anymore, with this jackass.
Please check your voter registration, and actually VOTE. This has to stop.’
Hope that works out.
We Remember Hong Kong ¡
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
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Comment from original poster:
‘How narcissistic do you have to be?
IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU, YOU DERANGED FUCKING TWAT-WAFFLE.I just can’t, anymore, with this jackass.
Please check your voter registration, and actually VOTE. This has to stop.’
Hope that works out.
We Remember Hong Kong ¡
I lost my travellers cheques there
Donald Trump has told an interviewer that he was informed about the Juneteenth holiday that commemorates the ending of slavery in the US by one of his own Secret Service agents, who is black.
Trump recently caused anger and raised fears of major social unrest by scheduling his first public campaign rally since the coronavirus pandemic broke out for 19 June, which is the date when Juneteenth is celebrated and how the day got its nickname.
He also chose to hold it in Tulsa, Oklahoma, the scene of one of America’s worst massacres of black Americans at a time when the nation is witnessing massive anti-racism protests.
Under pressure late last week, as protests continued coast to coast over racism and police brutality, triggered by the death of George Floyd, an African American, by a white police officer last month, Trump moved the rally to 20 June.
Juneteenth celebrates the anniversary of the day in 1865 when an army general read out Abraham Lincoln’s emancipation proclamation in Texas, freeing slaves in a portion of the last un-emancipated state.
But Trump told the Wall Street Journal that neither he nor any of his staff seemed to know the meaning of the holiday before the furor over the Tulsa rally.
“Trump said a black Secret Service agent told him the meaning of Juneteenth as the president was facing criticism for initially planning to hold his first campaign rally in three months on the day,” the paper reported in a lengthy interview with the president.
That lack of knowledge did not stop Trump claiming that his Tulsa rally had greatly helped popularize the holiday – which is already commemorated or observed by 47 states and the District of Columbia.
“I did something good: I made Juneteenth very famous,” Trump told the newspaper. “It’s actually an important event, an important time. But nobody had ever heard of it.
The Journal reported that Trump said he had asked many people around him about the holiday and none of them had heard of Juneteenth. He then “paused the interview to ask an aide if she had heard of Juneteenth, and she pointed out that the White House had issued a statement last year commemorating the day”.
Trump responded: “Oh really? We put out a statement? The Trump White House put out a statement? OK, OK. Good.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/18/trump-juneteenth-holiday-meaning
ROFL at the last part
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Hope that works out.
We Remember Hong Kong ¡
I lost my travellers cheques there
Mr Wong would know what to do.
Still doing a fantastic job sir, keep it up.
The-Spectator said:
Still doing a fantastic job sir, keep it up.
Signed, your friends, Vlad and XJP.
dv said:
To be slightly fair to Trump on this, Bolton never saw a potential for a war that he didn’t salivate over. I was quite glad when he was shown the door.
sibeen said:
dv said:
To be slightly fair to Trump on this, Bolton never saw a potential for a war that he didn’t salivate over. I was quite glad when he was shown the door.
Of course. He’s a right dingdong.
Can you spot the difference?
That’s right – the one on the left has a better idea of how government works and of how to discharge the duties of US President.
captain_spalding said:
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Can you spot the difference?
That’s right – the one on the left has a better idea of how government works and of how to discharge the duties of US President.
fk dude we were hungry just now but that’s just off colour, it’d go down just fine as a vegan ad, we’re turned off steak now you bastards
captain_spalding said:
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Can you spot the difference?
That’s right – the one on the left has a better idea of how government works and of how to discharge the duties of US President.
Looks ‘sculpted’ with meat glue.
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
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Can you spot the difference?
That’s right – the one on the left has a better idea of how government works and of how to discharge the duties of US President.
Looks ‘sculpted’ with meat glue.
The contention still holds.
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
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Can you spot the difference?
That’s right – the one on the left has a better idea of how government works and of how to discharge the duties of US President.
Looks ‘sculpted’ with meat glue.
And the steak?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
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Can you spot the difference?
That’s right – the one on the left has a better idea of how government works and of how to discharge the duties of US President.
Looks ‘sculpted’ with meat glue.
And the steak?
:)
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
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Can you spot the difference?
That’s right – the one on the left has a better idea of how government works and of how to discharge the duties of US President.
Looks ‘sculpted’ with meat glue.
He sure does
I’m intrigued by the idea of ‘meat glue’.
If i had enough of it, i could get the parts from the butcher shop, and build my own cow.
captain_spalding said:
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Can you spot the difference?
That’s right – the one on the left has a better idea of how government works and of how to discharge the duties of US President.
LOLs
:)
:)
:)
dv said:
:)
Parent of toddler in ‘manipulated’ Trump video forces Facebook and Twitter to remove it
New York (CNN Business)Facebook and Twitter on Friday removed a video posted by President Donald Trump’s account that had twisted a viral video of two toddlers after one of the children’s parents lodged a copyright claim. The video had more than 4 million views on Facebook (FB) and more than 20 million views on Twitter (TWTR)before it was taken down.
The now-removed clip is a crude and misleading edit of a video that went viral last year which shows a Black child and a White child running to hug each other. The version posted to Trump’s account made it first appear as if the Black child was running away from the White child.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/18/business/trump-video-twitter-manipulated-media/index.html
dv said:
Parent of toddler in ‘manipulated’ Trump video forces Facebook and Twitter to remove itNew York (CNN Business)Facebook and Twitter on Friday removed a video posted by President Donald Trump’s account that had twisted a viral video of two toddlers after one of the children’s parents lodged a copyright claim. The video had more than 4 million views on Facebook (FB) and more than 20 million views on Twitter (TWTR)before it was taken down.
The now-removed clip is a crude and misleading edit of a video that went viral last year which shows a Black child and a White child running to hug each other. The version posted to Trump’s account made it first appear as if the Black child was running away from the White child.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/18/business/trump-video-twitter-manipulated-media/index.html
He gets so low, he’d certainly win limbo dance competitions.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Parent of toddler in ‘manipulated’ Trump video forces Facebook and Twitter to remove itNew York (CNN Business)Facebook and Twitter on Friday removed a video posted by President Donald Trump’s account that had twisted a viral video of two toddlers after one of the children’s parents lodged a copyright claim. The video had more than 4 million views on Facebook (FB) and more than 20 million views on Twitter (TWTR)before it was taken down.
The now-removed clip is a crude and misleading edit of a video that went viral last year which shows a Black child and a White child running to hug each other. The version posted to Trump’s account made it first appear as if the Black child was running away from the White child.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/18/business/trump-video-twitter-manipulated-media/index.html
He gets so low, he’d certainly win limbo dance competitions.
so low he ended up near the Kerguelen Islands
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Parent of toddler in ‘manipulated’ Trump video forces Facebook and Twitter to remove itNew York (CNN Business)Facebook and Twitter on Friday removed a video posted by President Donald Trump’s account that had twisted a viral video of two toddlers after one of the children’s parents lodged a copyright claim. The video had more than 4 million views on Facebook (FB) and more than 20 million views on Twitter (TWTR)before it was taken down.
The now-removed clip is a crude and misleading edit of a video that went viral last year which shows a Black child and a White child running to hug each other. The version posted to Trump’s account made it first appear as if the Black child was running away from the White child.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/18/business/trump-video-twitter-manipulated-media/index.html
He gets so low, he’d certainly win limbo dance competitions.
so low he ended up near the Kerguelen Islands
There’s no escape from Him. He’s so high you can’t get over Him. He’s so low you can’t get under Him. He’s so wide you can’t get around Him. If you make your bed in Heaven He’s there. If you make your bed in Hell He’s there. He’s everywhere.
Woo! Help me somebody. Woo! Help me somebody.
So that tweet from the other day saying if he fell down the ramp and fake news would love that… I suppose it’s also fake news if he loses the election?
Divine Angel said:
So that tweet from the other day saying if he fell down the ramp and fake news would love that… I suppose it’s also fake news if he loses the election?
correct
Divine Angel said:
So that tweet from the other day saying if he fell down the ramp and fake news would love that… I suppose it’s also fake news if he loses the election?
It’s an exciting time to be alive!
Witty Rejoinder said:
Divine Angel said:
So that tweet from the other day saying if he fell down the ramp and fake news would love that… I suppose it’s also fake news if he loses the election?
It’s an exciting time to be alive!
Only In The USSA!
Divine Angel said:
So that tweet from the other day saying if he fell down the ramp and fake news would love that… I suppose it’s also fake news if he loses the election?

dv said:
Divine Angel said:
So that tweet from the other day saying if he fell down the ramp and fake news would love that… I suppose it’s also fake news if he loses the election?
FN is about all that he has left. Now he’s pissed them off too.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
So that tweet from the other day saying if he fell down the ramp and fake news would love that… I suppose it’s also fake news if he loses the election?
FN is about all that he has left. Now he’s pissed them off too.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/jun/15/oan-oann-fox-news-donald-trump
party_pants said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
So that tweet from the other day saying if he fell down the ramp and fake news would love that… I suppose it’s also fake news if he loses the election?
FN is about all that he has left. Now he’s pissed them off too.
Someone needs to take Fox News’s shoelaces, it’s pitiful to see them continue to be obsequious while getting nothing but abuse.
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
So that tweet from the other day saying if he fell down the ramp and fake news would love that… I suppose it’s also fake news if he loses the election?
Has Rupert swung to Biden?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
So that tweet from the other day saying if he fell down the ramp and fake news would love that… I suppose it’s also fake news if he loses the election?
Has Rupert swung to Biden?
Not at all. It’s a poll: regardless of all Fox News’s faults, Fox News Polling is rated as one of the most accurate in the game.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
So that tweet from the other day saying if he fell down the ramp and fake news would love that… I suppose it’s also fake news if he loses the election?
Has Rupert swung to Biden?
The conspiracy theorist in me says it’s to motivate Biden supporters to stay home comfortable in a predicted victory.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Has Rupert swung to Biden?
Not at all. It’s a poll: regardless of all Fox News’s faults, Fox News Polling is rated as one of the most accurate in the game.
You’re an enabler.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Has Rupert swung to Biden?
Not at all. It’s a poll: regardless of all Fox News’s faults, Fox News Polling is rated as one of the most accurate in the game.
You’re an enabler.
Facts don’t care about your feelings…
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:Not at all. It’s a poll: regardless of all Fox News’s faults, Fox News Polling is rated as one of the most accurate in the game.
You’re an enabler.
Facts don’t care about your feelings…
heartless scientists
Washington (CNN)In a fast-escalating crisis Friday night, Attorney General William Barr tried to oust Geoffrey Berman, the powerful US attorney for the Southern District of New York who has investigated a number of associates of President Donald Trump, but Berman defied him by refusing to step down.
In an extraordinary statement sent roughly an hour after Barr said Berman was set to leave the office, Berman said he had learned of his purported exit from a press release.
“I have not resigned, and have no intention of resigning, my position, to which I was appointed by the Judges of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. I will step down when a presidentially appointed nominee is confirmed by the Senate,” Berman said. “Until then, our investigations will move forward without delay or interruption.”
The standoff opens up a fresh crisis at the Justice Department, places the leadership of the most prominent federal prosecutors office outside Washington in a precarious position and again raises questions about Barr’s willingness to steer the department to suit Trump’s political agenda.
Berman’s rebuttal came about an hour after the Department of Justice announced Trump intends to nominate Jay Clayton, the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, who has never been a prosecutor.
A Justice Department official told CNN that Berman was offered other positions at Justice, including the head of the civil division, where assistant Attorney General Jody Hunt abruptly announced his departure this week. Berman declined.
A second source with knowledge of the matter said Berman was asked to resign and refused. Barr asked Berman to resign in an in-person meeting in New York on Friday, the source said.
Any forced ouster of Berman is likely to draw scrutiny inside the US attorney’s office and among career prosecutors. He has been the US attorney for Manhattan since 2018, and under his leadership, his office prosecuted Trump’s former attorney Michael Cohen, is investigating top Trump confidante Rudy Giuliani and indicted the former New York mayor’s associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/19/politics/southern-district-of-new-york-geoffrey-berman-jay-clayton/index.html
This shit is wild.
dv said:
This shit is wild.
Meanwhile, the citizenry are running in the streets and being shot almost at random by the police.
ABC News:
‘Judge allows John Bolton book on Donald Trump’s policy to be released.
…with more than 200,000 copies of the book already distributed to booksellers across the country, attempting to block its release would be futile he wrote.
“In taking it upon himself to publish his book without securing final approval from national intelligence authorities, Bolton may indeed have caused the country irreparable harm,” Judge Lamberth wrote.
“But in the Internet age, even a handful of copies in circulation could irrevocably destroy confidentiality.
“With hundreds of thousands of copies around the globe – many in newsrooms – the damage is done. There is no restoring the status quo.”
Sorry, Dumpster, cat’s out of the bag and it ain’t goin’ back in.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:They hold my place so I can take a snapshot of a man who despite the chill wears camouflage shorts and a T-shirt depicting Bill and Hillary—him with a handgun, her, leather-gloved, flexing a garrote—over the words CLINTONS: THEY CAN’T SUICIDE US ALL. “They say,” confides one of the women, who credits God and Trump for the success of her new catering business, “that the Clintons may have suicided my uncle.” He’d been a prominent conservative lawyer, she explains, and he’d died at a restaurant, choking on steak. Or had he? “They say it didn’t make sense,” she says, which is perhaps her truest observation. They call such killings—caused by the Clintons, for reasons you can only guess at—“Arkan-cide.”https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/06/inside-the-cult-of-trump-his-rallies-are-church-and-he-is-the-gospel
Every tweet, every misspelling, every typo, every strange capitalization—especially the capitalizations, says Dave—has meaning. “The truth is right there in what the media think are his mistakes. He doesn’t make mistakes.” The message of the shirt to Dave is: Study the layers. “Trump is known as a five-dimension chess player,” Dave says later. And he’s sending us clues. About the Democrats and Ukraine and his plans. “There are major operations going on,” Dave tells me months later, suggesting that Trump is using COVID-19 field hospitals as “a cover” to rescue children from sex trafficking.
… and how does 5D chess work?
Perhaps explained here:
https://eraoflight.com/2020/01/08/trumps-5d-chess-strategy/

ah, of course, 5D means the normal board, plus vertical layers *5, why didn’t we think of that
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:They hold my place so I can take a snapshot of a man who despite the chill wears camouflage shorts and a T-shirt depicting Bill and Hillary—him with a handgun, her, leather-gloved, flexing a garrote—over the words CLINTONS: THEY CAN’T SUICIDE US ALL. “They say,” confides one of the women, who credits God and Trump for the success of her new catering business, “that the Clintons may have suicided my uncle.” He’d been a prominent conservative lawyer, she explains, and he’d died at a restaurant, choking on steak. Or had he? “They say it didn’t make sense,” she says, which is perhaps her truest observation. They call such killings—caused by the Clintons, for reasons you can only guess at—“Arkan-cide.”https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/06/inside-the-cult-of-trump-his-rallies-are-church-and-he-is-the-gospel
Every tweet, every misspelling, every typo, every strange capitalization—especially the capitalizations, says Dave—has meaning. “The truth is right there in what the media think are his mistakes. He doesn’t make mistakes.” The message of the shirt to Dave is: Study the layers. “Trump is known as a five-dimension chess player,” Dave says later. And he’s sending us clues. About the Democrats and Ukraine and his plans. “There are major operations going on,” Dave tells me months later, suggesting that Trump is using COVID-19 field hospitals as “a cover” to rescue children from sex trafficking.
… and how does 5D chess work?
Perhaps explained here:
https://eraoflight.com/2020/01/08/trumps-5d-chess-strategy/
ah, of course, 5D means the normal board, plus vertical layers *5, why didn’t we think of that
Didn’t Spock and Kirk used to ‘play’ that in the old Star Trek series?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:… and how does 5D chess work?
Perhaps explained here:
https://eraoflight.com/2020/01/08/trumps-5d-chess-strategy/
ah, of course, 5D means the normal board, plus vertical layers *5, why didn’t we think of that
Didn’t Spock and Kirk used to ‘play’ that in the old Star Trek series?
It was just 3D chess.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
ah, of course, 5D means the normal board, plus vertical layers *5, why didn’t we think of that
Didn’t Spock and Kirk used to ‘play’ that in the old Star Trek series?
It was just 3D chess.
Huh. Amateurs.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:Didn’t Spock and Kirk used to ‘play’ that in the old Star Trek series?
It was just 3D chess.
Huh. Amateurs.
Surely 8D chess would be the ultimate goal of any true tactician though.
Maybe he’s still working on it.
You want a tough game?
The old SSI ‘Eastern Front’ boardgame. About 5,000 little cardboard counters representing German and Russian units in WW2.
Even with three or four people on each side to manage them, it got confusing, trying to remember what was in each stack of counters: ‘Bugger it, i know we had a Guards armoured division around there somewhere’.
A group of us played it from go-to-whoa. It took us three days, with people playing and sleeping in shifts.
civilization-vi was out free recently
US President Donald Trump says he ordered authorities to slow down the rate of coronavirus testing because it was adding to the number of COVID-19 infections being recorded.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-21/donald-trump-says-ordered-slowdown-coronavirus-testing/12377556
This guy’s dumbfuckery is extraordinary.
Divine Angel said:
US President Donald Trump says he ordered authorities to slow down the rate of coronavirus testing because it was adding to the number of COVID-19 infections being recorded.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-21/donald-trump-says-ordered-slowdown-coronavirus-testing/12377556
This guy’s dumbfuckery is extraordinary.
On that note, I’m off to the temple of Baal to offer sacrifices in thanks that I was not born in the USA. (I may also visit the shed and do some woodworking).
Divine Angel said:
US President Donald Trump says he ordered authorities to slow down the rate of coronavirus testing because it was adding to the number of COVID-19 infections being recorded.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-21/donald-trump-says-ordered-slowdown-coronavirus-testing/12377556
This guy’s dumbfuckery is extraordinary.
I had to chuckle, don’t mind me, the alternate was despair
the chap has serious limitations acknowledging reality beyond (outside) the work of his couple neurons, add that he comes from private enterprise, commercial world, has enjoyed the freedoms and such of responsibilities operating from that perspective, then takes it into public office
total disaster in my opinion
Divine Angel said:
Yeeeeaaaahhh.
dv said:
o…k…
dv said:
Um…
Trump Tulsa Rally:

Not a happy camper…
https://twitter.com/i/status/1274585675845828611
Neophyte said:
Not a happy camper…https://twitter.com/i/status/1274585675845828611
Well bugger me, I just got a page saying Twitter No Longer Supports This Browser.
Put’s twitter on the list of things that can get fucked.
Peak Warming Man said:
Neophyte said:
Not a happy camper…https://twitter.com/i/status/1274585675845828611
Well bugger me, I just got a page saying Twitter No Longer Supports This Browser.
Put’s twitter on the list of things that can get fucked.
Wtf browser are u using? Netscape navigator?
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Neophyte said:
Not a happy camper…https://twitter.com/i/status/1274585675845828611
Well bugger me, I just got a page saying Twitter No Longer Supports This Browser.
Put’s twitter on the list of things that can get fucked.
Wtf browser are u using? Netscape navigator?
Don’t you be dissing the Nav!
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Neophyte said:
Not a happy camper…https://twitter.com/i/status/1274585675845828611
Well bugger me, I just got a page saying Twitter No Longer Supports This Browser.
Put’s twitter on the list of things that can get fucked.
Wtf browser are u using? Netscape navigator?
Yeah, you been freeze-dried? Doin’ hard time?
sibeen said:
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:Well bugger me, I just got a page saying Twitter No Longer Supports This Browser.
Put’s twitter on the list of things that can get fucked.
Wtf browser are u using? Netscape navigator?
Don’t you be dissing the Nav!
It had its place….in 1997.
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Neophyte said:
Not a happy camper…https://twitter.com/i/status/1274585675845828611
Well bugger me, I just got a page saying Twitter No Longer Supports This Browser.
Put’s twitter on the list of things that can get fucked.
Wtf browser are u using? Netscape navigator?
Shouldn’t you be out running.
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Neophyte said:
Not a happy camper…https://twitter.com/i/status/1274585675845828611
Well bugger me, I just got a page saying Twitter No Longer Supports This Browser.
Put’s twitter on the list of things that can get fucked.
Wtf browser are u using? Netscape navigator?
PWM likes waiting hours for pages to load. Builds character he thinks.
Not petty:

dv said:
What?
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
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What?
He doesn’t deserve Tom Petty’s music.
dv said:
IDGI
party_pants said:
dv said:
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IDGI
Trump is the 45th President. Aside from that it is whatever you want it to be word salad.
esselte said:
The text in this image looks faked to me. Doesn’t sit in the topography of the cloth properly.
Rule 303 said:
esselte said:
The text in this image looks faked to me. Doesn’t sit in the topography of the cloth properly.
The original unaltered version of this photograph captured a man at MOAR (the mother of all rallies) in Washington, D.C., on 16 September 2017. The slogan on this person’s shirt actually read: “If you don’t like Trump then you probably won’t like me … and I’m OK with that”
Although this particular image was doctored, the “Make 45 Becomes 46 Again” shirt is a genuine product available for purchase online. In fact, it seems that this faux image was created with the specific intent of selling such t-shirts.
On 28 March 2018, Twitter user Tammy Nixan posted this same image, along with a link to a purchase page for the shirt on TeeSpring.com. Nixan also posted doctored images of Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson and Jason Statham wearing identical shirts.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/make-45-becomes-46-again-shirt/
Rule 303 said:
Not petty:
Watching a newsclip. They also played that choir version of ‘You can’t always get what you want.’
sarahs mum said:
Rule 303 said:
Not petty:
Watching a newsclip. They also played that choir version of ‘You can’t always get what you want.’
Strange choice.
Rule 303 said:
esselte said:
The text in this image looks faked to me. Doesn’t sit in the topography of the cloth properly.
OK, but you have to admire the way they got everyone in the background to stand in exactly the same position as in the other picture.
sarahs mum said:
Rule 303 said:
Not petty:
Watching a newsclip. They also played that choir version of ‘You can’t always get what you want.’
They probably weren’t going to use ‘Born in the USA’ after what the boss did to GWB.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Rule 303 said:
esselte said:
The text in this image looks faked to me. Doesn’t sit in the topography of the cloth properly.
OK, but you have to admire the way they got everyone in the background to stand in exactly the same position as in the other picture.
they might be shopped in.
Rule 303 said:
sarahs mum said:
Rule 303 said:
Not petty:
Watching a newsclip. They also played that choir version of ‘You can’t always get what you want.’
They probably weren’t going to use ‘Born in the USA’ after what the boss did to GWB.
(also, Springsteen just told Trump to “Wear a fucking mask” in his live-from-home thing today)
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
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IDGI
Trump is the 45th President. Aside from that it is whatever you want it to be word salad.
In that case it is a rather silly shirt. If a president gets elected to 2 consecutive terms he or she gets the same number for each term. The only way ti get 2 numbers is to serve two terms non-consecutively with an interlude by somebody else in between.
I think there has been only one president to have served non-consecutive terms. So while Donald Trum is counted as the 45th president, he is only the 44th person to hold the office.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:IDGI
Trump is the 45th President. Aside from that it is whatever you want it to be word salad.
In that case it is a rather silly shirt. If a president gets elected to 2 consecutive terms he or she gets the same number for each term. The only way ti get 2 numbers is to serve two terms non-consecutively with an interlude by somebody else in between.
I think there has been only one president to have served non-consecutive terms. So while Donald Trum is counted as the 45th president, he is only the 44th person to hold the office.
I suspect the shirt was printed as an anti-Trump stunt. The ‘becomes’ is just a step too far.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:Trump is the 45th President. Aside from that it is whatever you want it to be word salad.
In that case it is a rather silly shirt. If a president gets elected to 2 consecutive terms he or she gets the same number for each term. The only way ti get 2 numbers is to serve two terms non-consecutively with an interlude by somebody else in between.
I think there has been only one president to have served non-consecutive terms. So while Donald Trum is counted as the 45th president, he is only the 44th person to hold the office.
I suspect the shirt was printed as an anti-Trump stunt. The ‘becomes’ is just a step too far.
I’m too cynical. I took it as a sign of being a genuine article.
shrug
the whole bit is a photoshop anyway.
party_pants said:
dv said:
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IDGI
I think this fellow believes that if Trump wins, he’ll become the 46th president
“Although this particular image was doctored, the “Make 45 Becomes 46 Again” shirt is a genuine product available for purchase online. In fact, it seems that this faux image was created with the specific intent of selling such t-shirt”
Who would buy a shirt on the basis of that image?
dv said:
“Although this particular image was doctored, the “Make 45 Becomes 46 Again” shirt is a genuine product available for purchase online. In fact, it seems that this faux image was created with the specific intent of selling such t-shirt”Who would buy a shirt on the basis of that image?
But surely the shirt is a complete pisstake and anti-Trump.
dv said:
“Although this particular image was doctored, the “Make 45 Becomes 46 Again” shirt is a genuine product available for purchase online. In fact, it seems that this faux image was created with the specific intent of selling such t-shirt”Who would buy a shirt on the basis of that image?
It’s a bug report for software that turns “Makes 45” into “46 again” when it shouldn’t.
sibeen said:
dv said:
“Although this particular image was doctored, the “Make 45 Becomes 46 Again” shirt is a genuine product available for purchase online. In fact, it seems that this faux image was created with the specific intent of selling such t-shirt”Who would buy a shirt on the basis of that image?
But surely the shirt is a complete pisstake and anti-Trump.
Maybe?
But there’s video of his fans chanting “46” at his rallies
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jr-greeted-chants-forty-six-new-hampshire-campaign-rally-1486728
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:Trump is the 45th President. Aside from that it is whatever you want it to be word salad.
In that case it is a rather silly shirt. If a president gets elected to 2 consecutive terms he or she gets the same number for each term. The only way ti get 2 numbers is to serve two terms non-consecutively with an interlude by somebody else in between.
I think there has been only one president to have served non-consecutive terms. So while Donald Trum is counted as the 45th president, he is only the 44th person to hold the office.
I suspect the shirt was printed as an anti-Trump stunt. The ‘becomes’ is just a step too far.
I’m worried about sibeen .
He seems to have early stages of the trump derangement derangement syndrome.
I hope he’s not been infected with the covid19.
nuff said I think.
I was gonna crop this, but nah.
Divine Angel said:
I was gonna crop this, but nah.
He’s done. It’s all over bar the shooting.
Skeptic Pete is real-life friends with an original Wiggle.
Divine Angel said:
Skeptic Pete is real-life friends with an original Wiggle.
And people paid to see them. They didn’t get in for free.
:)
Divine Angel said:
Skeptic Pete is real-life friends with an original Wiggle.
What is the target audience for the wiggles? Chances are most of that audience still can’t vote this eleven years later…
furious said:
Divine Angel said:
Skeptic Pete is real-life friends with an original Wiggle.
What is the target audience for the wiggles? Chances are most of that audience still can’t vote this eleven years later…
The kids had their parents with them?
Divine Angel said:
Skeptic Pete is real-life friends with an original Wiggle.
:)
dv said:
IGTO :)
dv said:
PMSL
:)
Of course he was joking again.
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Pres. Trump’s comments at his Tulsa rally about slowing down the rate of COVID-19 testing were made “in jest,” telling @bgittleson, “Any suggestion that testing has been curtailed is not rooted in fact.” abcn.ws/3fSeQDV
I usually support my sisters but She’s a fucking idiot
Arts said:
Of course he was joking again.White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Pres. Trump’s comments at his Tulsa rally about slowing down the rate of COVID-19 testing were made “in jest,” telling @bgittleson, “Any suggestion that testing has been curtailed is not rooted in fact.” abcn.ws/3fSeQDV
I usually support my sisters but She’s a fucking idiot
She reminds me of Squealer in “Animal Farm”
The Trump administration has yet to distribute nearly one-third of the funds provided by Congress for coronavirus testing and contact tracing, leading Senate Democrats say.
The Department of Health and Human Services has neither spent nor detailed how it plans to spend $8 billion out of a $25 billion pot to be used for stemming the virus’s spread through diagnostic and antibody testing and contact tracing, Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) charge. The funds were provided as part of the fourth pandemic relief bill passed by Congress at the end of April.
“While it has been months since these funds were first appropriated, the administration has failed to disburse significant amounts of this funding, leaving communities without the resources they need to address the significant challenges presented by the virus,” according to a letter the pair wrote to HHS Secretary Alex Azar, obtained by The Washington Post.
In a response, HHS said it has distributed $14 billion of the $25 billion pot of money — most of that total to states and localities, as directed in the legislative text.
An agency spokeswoman noted that Congress largely didn’t provide specific directions for where the rest of the money should go. Michael Caputo, assistant secretary for public affairs, said Congress “failed to give the agency clear direction in law for how to spend the money.”
“Now members are contacting HHS with their individual priorities and complaining the dollars are not spent to their wishes,” Caputo said. “Regardless, HHS is committed to working with Congress to ensure the healthcare delivery system gets the support needed at this time.”
The United States has now conducted more than 26 million coronavirus tests, equivalent to about eight percent of the nation’s population. The Trump administration has largely met testing goals Azar laid out in May, after an initial slow response that won it heavy criticism.
—-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-senators-say-trump-administration-has-been-slow-to-use-coronavirus-testing-funds/2020/06/21/d9868c66-b3f3-11ea-a510-55bf26485c93_story.html
dv said:
The Trump administration has yet to distribute nearly one-third of the funds provided by Congress for coronavirus testing and contact tracing, leading Senate Democrats say.
The Department of Health and Human Services has neither spent nor detailed how it plans to spend $8 billion out of a $25 billion pot to be used for stemming the virus’s spread through diagnostic and antibody testing and contact tracing, Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) charge. The funds were provided as part of the fourth pandemic relief bill passed by Congress at the end of April.
“While it has been months since these funds were first appropriated, the administration has failed to disburse significant amounts of this funding, leaving communities without the resources they need to address the significant challenges presented by the virus,” according to a letter the pair wrote to HHS Secretary Alex Azar, obtained by The Washington Post.In a response, HHS said it has distributed $14 billion of the $25 billion pot of money — most of that total to states and localities, as directed in the legislative text.
An agency spokeswoman noted that Congress largely didn’t provide specific directions for where the rest of the money should go. Michael Caputo, assistant secretary for public affairs, said Congress “failed to give the agency clear direction in law for how to spend the money.”
“Now members are contacting HHS with their individual priorities and complaining the dollars are not spent to their wishes,” Caputo said. “Regardless, HHS is committed to working with Congress to ensure the healthcare delivery system gets the support needed at this time.”
The United States has now conducted more than 26 million coronavirus tests, equivalent to about eight percent of the nation’s population. The Trump administration has largely met testing goals Azar laid out in May, after an initial slow response that won it heavy criticism.—-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-senators-say-trump-administration-has-been-slow-to-use-coronavirus-testing-funds/2020/06/21/d9868c66-b3f3-11ea-a510-55bf26485c93_story.html
well all right but are they 2/3 of the way through their little outbreak ¿
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
The Trump administration has yet to distribute nearly one-third of the funds provided by Congress for coronavirus testing and contact tracing, leading Senate Democrats say.
The Department of Health and Human Services has neither spent nor detailed how it plans to spend $8 billion out of a $25 billion pot to be used for stemming the virus’s spread through diagnostic and antibody testing and contact tracing, Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) charge. The funds were provided as part of the fourth pandemic relief bill passed by Congress at the end of April.
“While it has been months since these funds were first appropriated, the administration has failed to disburse significant amounts of this funding, leaving communities without the resources they need to address the significant challenges presented by the virus,” according to a letter the pair wrote to HHS Secretary Alex Azar, obtained by The Washington Post.In a response, HHS said it has distributed $14 billion of the $25 billion pot of money — most of that total to states and localities, as directed in the legislative text.
An agency spokeswoman noted that Congress largely didn’t provide specific directions for where the rest of the money should go. Michael Caputo, assistant secretary for public affairs, said Congress “failed to give the agency clear direction in law for how to spend the money.”
“Now members are contacting HHS with their individual priorities and complaining the dollars are not spent to their wishes,” Caputo said. “Regardless, HHS is committed to working with Congress to ensure the healthcare delivery system gets the support needed at this time.”
The United States has now conducted more than 26 million coronavirus tests, equivalent to about eight percent of the nation’s population. The Trump administration has largely met testing goals Azar laid out in May, after an initial slow response that won it heavy criticism.—-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-senators-say-trump-administration-has-been-slow-to-use-coronavirus-testing-funds/2020/06/21/d9868c66-b3f3-11ea-a510-55bf26485c93_story.html
well all right but are they 2/3 of the way through their little outbreak ¿
Still doing a great job sir, the world is better off with you in charge
The-Spectator said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
The Trump administration has yet to distribute nearly one-third of the funds provided by Congress for coronavirus testing and contact tracing, leading Senate Democrats say.
The Department of Health and Human Services has neither spent nor detailed how it plans to spend $8 billion out of a $25 billion pot to be used for stemming the virus’s spread through diagnostic and antibody testing and contact tracing, Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) charge. The funds were provided as part of the fourth pandemic relief bill passed by Congress at the end of April.
“While it has been months since these funds were first appropriated, the administration has failed to disburse significant amounts of this funding, leaving communities without the resources they need to address the significant challenges presented by the virus,” according to a letter the pair wrote to HHS Secretary Alex Azar, obtained by The Washington Post.In a response, HHS said it has distributed $14 billion of the $25 billion pot of money — most of that total to states and localities, as directed in the legislative text.
An agency spokeswoman noted that Congress largely didn’t provide specific directions for where the rest of the money should go. Michael Caputo, assistant secretary for public affairs, said Congress “failed to give the agency clear direction in law for how to spend the money.”
“Now members are contacting HHS with their individual priorities and complaining the dollars are not spent to their wishes,” Caputo said. “Regardless, HHS is committed to working with Congress to ensure the healthcare delivery system gets the support needed at this time.”
The United States has now conducted more than 26 million coronavirus tests, equivalent to about eight percent of the nation’s population. The Trump administration has largely met testing goals Azar laid out in May, after an initial slow response that won it heavy criticism.—-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-senators-say-trump-administration-has-been-slow-to-use-coronavirus-testing-funds/2020/06/21/d9868c66-b3f3-11ea-a510-55bf26485c93_story.html
well all right but are they 2/3 of the way through their little outbreak ¿
Still doing a great job sir, the world is better off with you in charge
Please esplain better.
roughbarked said:
The-Spectator said:
SCIENCE said:well all right but are they 2/3 of the way through their little outbreak ¿
Still doing a great job sir, the world is better off with you in charge
Please esplain better.
What needs explaining the man does what needs to be done to make American great again, deal with the riff raff and supports the movers and shakers
He’s my second favourite American, after Oliver North
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/steve-schmidt-donald-trump/index.html
Steve Schmidt is a prominent Republican who ran Arnold Schwarzenegger’s gubernatorial election campaign, John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, and was the head of the Republican House of Representatives election campaign team.
“Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don’t say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
“When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don’t use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We’ve never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
“It’s just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he’s the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he’s brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let’s be clear. This isn’t happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease. We’re the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.”
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/steve-schmidt-donald-trump/index.htmlSteve Schmidt is a prominent Republican who ran Arnold Schwarzenegger’s gubernatorial election campaign, John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, and was the head of the Republican House of Representatives election campaign team.
“Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don’t say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
“When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don’t use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We’ve never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
“It’s just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he’s the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he’s brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let’s be clear. This isn’t happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease. We’re the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.”
Trump does seem to have taken everything bad, broken or wrong about the USA as its areas of greatness and expanded them
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/steve-schmidt-donald-trump/index.htmlSteve Schmidt is a prominent Republican who ran Arnold Schwarzenegger’s gubernatorial election campaign, John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, and was the head of the Republican House of Representatives election campaign team.
“Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don’t say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
“When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don’t use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We’ve never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
“It’s just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he’s the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he’s brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let’s be clear. This isn’t happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease. We’re the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.”
Yeah, but we still got our guns.
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/steve-schmidt-donald-trump/index.htmlSteve Schmidt is a prominent Republican who ran Arnold Schwarzenegger’s gubernatorial election campaign, John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, and was the head of the Republican House of Representatives election campaign team.
“Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don’t say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
“When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don’t use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We’ve never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
“It’s just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he’s the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he’s brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let’s be clear. This isn’t happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease. We’re the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.”
Well that’s pretty straight speaking.
For a Republican.
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/steve-schmidt-donald-trump/index.htmlSteve Schmidt is a prominent Republican who ran Arnold Schwarzenegger’s gubernatorial election campaign, John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, and was the head of the Republican House of Representatives election campaign team.
“Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don’t say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
“When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don’t use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We’ve never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
“It’s just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he’s the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he’s brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let’s be clear. This isn’t happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease. We’re the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.”
I agree with most of that but the “We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease” I don’t think that’s true, so why spout it. Tell teh truth and don’t embellish. You don’t need to embellish.
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/steve-schmidt-donald-trump/index.htmlSteve Schmidt is a prominent Republican who ran Arnold Schwarzenegger’s gubernatorial election campaign, John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, and was the head of the Republican House of Representatives election campaign team.
“Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don’t say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
“When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don’t use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We’ve never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
“It’s just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he’s the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he’s brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let’s be clear. This isn’t happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease. We’re the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.”
Dealing with a proper idiot is not as easy as it used to be.
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/steve-schmidt-donald-trump/index.htmlSteve Schmidt is a prominent Republican who ran Arnold Schwarzenegger’s gubernatorial election campaign, John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, and was the head of the Republican House of Representatives election campaign team.
“Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don’t say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
“When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don’t use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We’ve never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
“It’s just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he’s the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he’s brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let’s be clear. This isn’t happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease. We’re the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.”
Dealing with a proper idiot is not as easy as it used to be.
How sweet to be an Idiot,
As harmless as a cloud,
Too small to hide the sun,
Almost poking fun
At the warm but insecure, untidy crowd.
How sweet to be an idiot,
And dip my brain in joy,
Children laughing at my back,
With no fear of attack,
As much retaliation as a toy.
How sweet to be an idiot. How sweet.
Rule 303 said:
Dealing with a proper idiot is not as easy as it used to be.
Those people need to get around more.
Most of us here have coped with working for idiots.
captain_spalding said:
Rule 303 said:Dealing with a proper idiot is not as easy as it used to be.
Those people need to get around more.
Most of us here have coped with working for idiots.
need the book, idiots for dummies.
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:
Rule 303 said:Dealing with a proper idiot is not as easy as it used to be.
Those people need to get around more.
Most of us here have coped with working for idiots.
need the book, idiots for dummies.
LOL.
Idiots would ban it.
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/steve-schmidt-donald-trump/index.htmlSteve Schmidt is a prominent Republican who ran Arnold Schwarzenegger’s gubernatorial election campaign, John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, and was the head of the Republican House of Representatives election campaign team.
“Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don’t say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
“When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don’t use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We’ve never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
“It’s just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he’s the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he’s brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let’s be clear. This isn’t happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease. We’re the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.”
I agree with most of that but the “We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease” I don’t think that’s true, so why spout it. Tell teh truth and don’t embellish. You don’t need to embellish.
Well to be pedantic, he could have said “We are the place with a population greater than 35 million where you’re the most likely to die from this disease”, but I think that’s being a bit specific.
The point is that countries that have very large populations will inevitably have lower deaths/head of pop than those small countries with a very high death rate, because they have a mix of regions, which brings the average down.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/steve-schmidt-donald-trump/index.htmlSteve Schmidt is a prominent Republican who ran Arnold Schwarzenegger’s gubernatorial election campaign, John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, and was the head of the Republican House of Representatives election campaign team.
“Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don’t say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
“When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don’t use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We’ve never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
“It’s just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he’s the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he’s brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let’s be clear. This isn’t happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease. We’re the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.”
I agree with most of that but the “We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease” I don’t think that’s true, so why spout it. Tell teh truth and don’t embellish. You don’t need to embellish.
Well to be pedantic, he could have said “We are the place with a population greater than 35 million where you’re the most likely to die from this disease”, but I think that’s being a bit specific.
The point is that countries that have very large populations will inevitably have lower deaths/head of pop than those small countries with a very high death rate, because they have a mix of regions, which brings the average down.
But Italy, UK, France and Spain, all countries with a population greater than 35 million, have a higher deaths/million than the USA. At least according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:I agree with most of that but the “We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease” I don’t think that’s true, so why spout it. Tell teh truth and don’t embellish. You don’t need to embellish.
Well to be pedantic, he could have said “We are the place with a population greater than 35 million where you’re the most likely to die from this disease”, but I think that’s being a bit specific.
The point is that countries that have very large populations will inevitably have lower deaths/head of pop than those small countries with a very high death rate, because they have a mix of regions, which brings the average down.
But Italy, UK, France and Spain, all countries with a population greater than 35 million, have a higher deaths/million than the USA. At least according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.
Apologies, I sorted by cases rather than deaths. Make that:
We are the place with a population greater than 67,879,245 where you’re the most likely to die from this disease.
but the same argument still stands.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well to be pedantic, he could have said “We are the place with a population greater than 35 million where you’re the most likely to die from this disease”, but I think that’s being a bit specific.
The point is that countries that have very large populations will inevitably have lower deaths/head of pop than those small countries with a very high death rate, because they have a mix of regions, which brings the average down.
But Italy, UK, France and Spain, all countries with a population greater than 35 million, have a higher deaths/million than the USA. At least according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.
Apologies, I sorted by cases rather than deaths. Make that:
We are the place with a population greater than 67,879,245 where you’re the most likely to die from this disease.
but the same argument still stands.
As does my point. Don’t lie. You don’t need to and your statements that can be easily debunked will be used to “show” that the rest of your argument is also rubbish. You end up making a rod for your own back. It’s stupid.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:But Italy, UK, France and Spain, all countries with a population greater than 35 million, have a higher deaths/million than the USA. At least according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.
Apologies, I sorted by cases rather than deaths. Make that:
We are the place with a population greater than 67,879,245 where you’re the most likely to die from this disease.
but the same argument still stands.
As does my point. Don’t lie. You don’t need to and your statements that can be easily debunked will be used to “show” that the rest of your argument is also rubbish. You end up making a rod for your own back. It’s stupid.
but but but but but but you know, AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, if we can’t be the best at something
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Apologies, I sorted by cases rather than deaths. Make that:
We are the place with a population greater than 67,879,245 where you’re the most likely to die from this disease.
but the same argument still stands.
As does my point. Don’t lie. You don’t need to and your statements that can be easily debunked will be used to “show” that the rest of your argument is also rubbish. You end up making a rod for your own back. It’s stupid.
but but but but but but you know, AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, if we can’t be the best at something
hy•per•bo•le hī-pûr′bə-lē►
n. A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton.
n. In rhetoric, an obvious exaggeration; an extravagant statement or assertion not intended to be understood literally.
furious said:
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:As does my point. Don’t lie. You don’t need to and your statements that can be easily debunked will be used to “show” that the rest of your argument is also rubbish. You end up making a rod for your own back. It’s stupid.
but but but but but but you know, AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, if we can’t be the best at something
hy•per•bo•le hī-pûr′bə-lē►
n. A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton.
n. In rhetoric, an obvious exaggeration; an extravagant statement or assertion not intended to be understood literally.
no no no that’s only when Team Trump do it, if anyone else does it’s lies Lies LIES
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:But Italy, UK, France and Spain, all countries with a population greater than 35 million, have a higher deaths/million than the USA. At least according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.
Apologies, I sorted by cases rather than deaths. Make that:
We are the place with a population greater than 67,879,245 where you’re the most likely to die from this disease.
but the same argument still stands.
As does my point. Don’t lie. You don’t need to and your statements that can be easily debunked will be used to “show” that the rest of your argument is also rubbish. You end up making a rod for your own back. It’s stupid.
Well I agree that it’s not a good idea to say such things if the point is debatable, but I wouldn’t call it lying. For instance, if we are comparing USA with European countries, it makes more sense to compare the numbers for the whole of Europe, which are 252 for EU and 373 for USA.
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/steve-schmidt-donald-trump/index.htmlSteve Schmidt is a prominent Republican who ran Arnold Schwarzenegger’s gubernatorial election campaign, John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, and was the head of the Republican House of Representatives election campaign team.
“Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don’t say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
“When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don’t use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We’ve never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
“It’s just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he’s the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he’s brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let’s be clear. This isn’t happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease. We’re the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.”
Wow.
buffy said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/steve-schmidt-donald-trump/index.htmlSteve Schmidt is a prominent Republican who ran Arnold Schwarzenegger’s gubernatorial election campaign, John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, and was the head of the Republican House of Representatives election campaign team.
“Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don’t say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
“When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don’t use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We’ve never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
“It’s just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he’s the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he’s brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let’s be clear. This isn’t happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease. We’re the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.”
Wow.
Blasphemy is what I call it
>>and economic collapse on truly an epic scale
The Nasdaq hit an all time high last night.
Peak Warming Man said:
>>and economic collapse on truly an epic scaleThe Nasdaq hit an all time high last night.
The Nasdaq is obviously not a valid measure of economic prosperity then…
Peak Warming Man said:
>>and economic collapse on truly an epic scaleThe Nasdaq hit an all time high last night.
Then perhaps Mr Nasdaq should run for President, then.
The-Spectator said:
Blasphemy is what I call it
Yeah. That vague yellow mist around his head isn’t his hair, it’s his halo.
The steps of Air Force One seem to be rigged for comedy relief.
Ford, Obama, Trump, and now Pence….
+ Hillary.
Next post is pretty gross.

This portrait is made entirely from pig entrails and the pig’s anus just
happened to be the perfect fit for his mouth.
JudgeMental said:
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This portrait is made entirely from pig entrails and the pig’s anus just
happened to be the perfect fit for his mouth.
giggle
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-25/novak-djokovic-parents-blame-grigor-dimitrov-coronavirus-covid19/12390308
Thousands attended Novak Djokovic’s exhibition tournaments, with no social distancing observed
The world number one’s parents have blamed Grigor Dimitrov for spreading coronavirus at the tournaments
Djokovic’s mother said both her son and his wife Jelena are feeling fine, but are suffering because of the widespread criticism.
“It is horrible what is being written, but we are used to it,” Dijana Djokovic told the Belgrade Blic daily newspaper.
I have to commend the WH staff for faithfully rendering Trump’s speeches in the official transcripts, no matter how garbled or inane.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-turning-point-action-address-young-americans/
We put a chunk — California — off the record, California was saying, “Please, can we have the wall?” This is California. You know, they didn’t want the wall. They didn’t want the wall. But they wanted the wall, right? Because right next to San Diego is a wonderful town in Mexico. You know the town; I won’t mention the name. (Laughter.) But they’re heavily infected with COVID.Do you ever notice? I said, the other night — did anybody see my speech the other night, on Saturday night? (Applause.) But I said the other night, “There’s never been anything where they have so many names.” I could give you 19 or 20 names for that, right? It’s got all different names. “Wuhan.” “Wuhan” was catching on. “Coronavirus,” right?
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Kung flu!
THE PRESIDENT: “Kung flu,” yeah. (Applause.) Kung flu. “COVID.” “COVID-19.” “COVID.” I said, “What’s the ‘19’?” “COVID-19.” Some people can’t explain what the 19 — give me the — “COVID-19.” I said, “That’s an odd name.” I could give you many, many names.
But here’s the story: We are going to be stronger than ever before, and it’s going to be soon. (Applause.)
dv said:
I have to commend the WH staff for faithfully rendering Trump’s speeches in the official transcripts, no matter how garbled or inane.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-turning-point-action-address-young-americans/
We put a chunk — California — off the record, California was saying, “Please, can we have the wall?” This is California. You know, they didn’t want the wall. They didn’t want the wall. But they wanted the wall, right? Because right next to San Diego is a wonderful town in Mexico. You know the town; I won’t mention the name. (Laughter.) But they’re heavily infected with COVID.Do you ever notice? I said, the other night — did anybody see my speech the other night, on Saturday night? (Applause.) But I said the other night, “There’s never been anything where they have so many names.” I could give you 19 or 20 names for that, right? It’s got all different names. “Wuhan.” “Wuhan” was catching on. “Coronavirus,” right?
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Kung flu!
THE PRESIDENT: “Kung flu,” yeah. (Applause.) Kung flu. “COVID.” “COVID-19.” “COVID.” I said, “What’s the ‘19’?” “COVID-19.” Some people can’t explain what the 19 — give me the — “COVID-19.” I said, “That’s an odd name.” I could give you many, many names.
But here’s the story: We are going to be stronger than ever before, and it’s going to be soon. (Applause.)
I heard that on the radio…it is no more comprehensible in written form than it was spoken.
buffy said:
dv said:I have to commend the WH staff for faithfully rendering Trump’s speeches in the official transcripts, no matter how garbled or inane.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-turning-point-action-address-young-americans/
We put a chunk — California — off the record, California was saying, “Please, can we have the wall?” This is California. You know, they didn’t want the wall. They didn’t want the wall. But they wanted the wall, right? Because right next to San Diego is a wonderful town in Mexico. You know the town; I won’t mention the name. (Laughter.) But they’re heavily infected with COVID.Do you ever notice? I said, the other night — did anybody see my speech the other night, on Saturday night? (Applause.) But I said the other night, “There’s never been anything where they have so many names.” I could give you 19 or 20 names for that, right? It’s got all different names. “Wuhan.” “Wuhan” was catching on. “Coronavirus,” right?
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Kung flu!
THE PRESIDENT: “Kung flu,” yeah. (Applause.) Kung flu. “COVID.” “COVID-19.” “COVID.” I said, “What’s the ‘19’?” “COVID-19.” Some people can’t explain what the 19 — give me the — “COVID-19.” I said, “That’s an odd name.” I could give you many, many names.
But here’s the story: We are going to be stronger than ever before, and it’s going to be soon. (Applause.)
I heard that on the radio…it is no more comprehensible in written form than it was spoken.
There is nothing related to comprehension involved.
buffy said:
dv said:I have to commend the WH staff for faithfully rendering Trump’s speeches in the official transcripts, no matter how garbled or inane.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-turning-point-action-address-young-americans/
We put a chunk — California — off the record, California was saying, “Please, can we have the wall?” This is California. You know, they didn’t want the wall. They didn’t want the wall. But they wanted the wall, right? Because right next to San Diego is a wonderful town in Mexico. You know the town; I won’t mention the name. (Laughter.) But they’re heavily infected with COVID.Do you ever notice? I said, the other night — did anybody see my speech the other night, on Saturday night? (Applause.) But I said the other night, “There’s never been anything where they have so many names.” I could give you 19 or 20 names for that, right? It’s got all different names. “Wuhan.” “Wuhan” was catching on. “Coronavirus,” right?
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Kung flu!
THE PRESIDENT: “Kung flu,” yeah. (Applause.) Kung flu. “COVID.” “COVID-19.” “COVID.” I said, “What’s the ‘19’?” “COVID-19.” Some people can’t explain what the 19 — give me the — “COVID-19.” I said, “That’s an odd name.” I could give you many, many names.
But here’s the story: We are going to be stronger than ever before, and it’s going to be soon. (Applause.)
I heard that on the radio…it is no more comprehensible in written form than it was spoken.
I mean… does he really not know why it’s called 19?
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:I have to commend the WH staff for faithfully rendering Trump’s speeches in the official transcripts, no matter how garbled or inane.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-turning-point-action-address-young-americans/
We put a chunk — California — off the record, California was saying, “Please, can we have the wall?” This is California. You know, they didn’t want the wall. They didn’t want the wall. But they wanted the wall, right? Because right next to San Diego is a wonderful town in Mexico. You know the town; I won’t mention the name. (Laughter.) But they’re heavily infected with COVID.Do you ever notice? I said, the other night — did anybody see my speech the other night, on Saturday night? (Applause.) But I said the other night, “There’s never been anything where they have so many names.” I could give you 19 or 20 names for that, right? It’s got all different names. “Wuhan.” “Wuhan” was catching on. “Coronavirus,” right?
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Kung flu!
THE PRESIDENT: “Kung flu,” yeah. (Applause.) Kung flu. “COVID.” “COVID-19.” “COVID.” I said, “What’s the ‘19’?” “COVID-19.” Some people can’t explain what the 19 — give me the — “COVID-19.” I said, “That’s an odd name.” I could give you many, many names.
But here’s the story: We are going to be stronger than ever before, and it’s going to be soon. (Applause.)
I heard that on the radio…it is no more comprehensible in written form than it was spoken.
I mean… does he really not know why it’s called 19?
He told us so and he’s the supreme commander.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:I have to commend the WH staff for faithfully rendering Trump’s speeches in the official transcripts, no matter how garbled or inane.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-turning-point-action-address-young-americans/
We put a chunk — California — off the record, California was saying, “Please, can we have the wall?” This is California. You know, they didn’t want the wall. They didn’t want the wall. But they wanted the wall, right? Because right next to San Diego is a wonderful town in Mexico. You know the town; I won’t mention the name. (Laughter.) But they’re heavily infected with COVID.Do you ever notice? I said, the other night — did anybody see my speech the other night, on Saturday night? (Applause.) But I said the other night, “There’s never been anything where they have so many names.” I could give you 19 or 20 names for that, right? It’s got all different names. “Wuhan.” “Wuhan” was catching on. “Coronavirus,” right?
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Kung flu!
THE PRESIDENT: “Kung flu,” yeah. (Applause.) Kung flu. “COVID.” “COVID-19.” “COVID.” I said, “What’s the ‘19’?” “COVID-19.” Some people can’t explain what the 19 — give me the — “COVID-19.” I said, “That’s an odd name.” I could give you many, many names.
But here’s the story: We are going to be stronger than ever before, and it’s going to be soon. (Applause.)
I heard that on the radio…it is no more comprehensible in written form than it was spoken.
I mean… does he really not know why it’s called 19?
Well, with “advisors” like this…
“This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people charged with the World Health Organisation facts and figures would be on top of that.”
Drilling down into that NYT poll, it appears that Trump can no longer count on a majority of the white vote, or a majority of the male vote.

It’s not quite true, though, that no presidential candidate has come back from such a large polling deficit 4 months out from the election. Round about this time in 1948, incumbent president Harry Truman had about 40% approval, and in head to head polls was trailing his opponent (Dewey) by over 10%. The Democrats had been split three ways (with the Southern “Dixiecrats” led by Strom Thurmond expected to sweep the south, and a new Progressive Party chewing at the Democrats’ support from the left), and although Truman made up some ground in the polls by the election as undecided voters chose him, he had basically been written off already. Even as the votes came and showed Truman had a big lead, most commentators still were saying it was impossible for him to win.
Chicago Daily Tribune went ahead and printed their paper with the headline “Dewey Defeats Truman”. Truman is shown in this photo, holding a copy.
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Truman ended up winning by 5%. Crucially, he held on to California, Illinois and Ohio, ending with a comfortable Electoral College victory.

Still doing a good fantastic job
Donald Trump Jr.
✔
@DonaldJTrumpJr
Want to save our monuments?
Let’s get a movement going to replace any statue torn down during these riots with a new and more sturdy statue of @realDonaldTrump.
The nonsense would stop instantly.
https://god.dailydot.com/donald-trump-jr-confederate-monuments/
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump Jr.
✔
@DonaldJTrumpJrWant to save our monuments?
Let’s get a movement going to replace any statue torn down during these riots with a new and more sturdy statue of @realDonaldTrump.
The nonsense would stop instantly.
https://god.dailydot.com/donald-trump-jr-confederate-monuments/
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:Donald Trump Jr.
✔
@DonaldJTrumpJrWant to save our monuments?
Let’s get a movement going to replace any statue torn down during these riots with a new and more sturdy statue of @realDonaldTrump.
The nonsense would stop instantly.
https://god.dailydot.com/donald-trump-jr-confederate-monuments/
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
dv said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:Donald Trump Jr.
✔
@DonaldJTrumpJrWant to save our monuments?
Let’s get a movement going to replace any statue torn down during these riots with a new and more sturdy statue of @realDonaldTrump.
The nonsense would stop instantly.
https://god.dailydot.com/donald-trump-jr-confederate-monuments/
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Trump “I’m just happy they didn’t make fun of my genitals”
Cymek said:
dv said:
Michael V said:LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Trump “I’m just happy they didn’t make fun of my genitals”
They were too small to be of any significance?
dv said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:Donald Trump Jr.
✔
@DonaldJTrumpJrWant to save our monuments?
Let’s get a movement going to replace any statue torn down during these riots with a new and more sturdy statue of @realDonaldTrump.
The nonsense would stop instantly.
https://god.dailydot.com/donald-trump-jr-confederate-monuments/
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
More LOLs.
(Trump Interview on Sean Hannity last night)
Hannity: “What are your top priority items for a second term?”
Trump: “Well one of the things that will be really great, you know, the word experience is still good, I always say talent is more important than experience, I’ve always said that, but the word experience is a very important word, it’s a very important meaning. I never did this before, I never slept over in Washington, I was in Washington I think seventeen times, all of a sudden I’m the president of the United States, you know the story, I’m riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our First Lady and I say, “This is great!” But I didn’t know very many people in Washington, it wasn’t my thing, I was from Manhattan, from New York. Now I know everybody. And I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes, like, you know, an idiot like Bolton, all he wanted to do is drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to kill people.”
So, anyway, those are Trump’s top priorities. That’s what you can look forward to in Trump’s second term.
dv said:
(Trump Interview on Sean Hannity last night)Hannity: “What are your top priority items for a second term?”
Trump: “Well one of the things that will be really great, you know, the word experience is still good, I always say talent is more important than experience, I’ve always said that, but the word experience is a very important word, it’s a very important meaning. I never did this before, I never slept over in Washington, I was in Washington I think seventeen times, all of a sudden I’m the president of the United States, you know the story, I’m riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our First Lady and I say, “This is great!” But I didn’t know very many people in Washington, it wasn’t my thing, I was from Manhattan, from New York. Now I know everybody. And I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes, like, you know, an idiot like Bolton, all he wanted to do is drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to kill people.”
So, anyway, those are Trump’s top priorities. That’s what you can look forward to in Trump’s second term.
So… not killing people. Better than his first term.
This is his highest disapproval level since 2017.
dv said:
(Trump Interview on Sean Hannity last night)Hannity: “What are your top priority items for a second term?”
Trump: “Well one of the things that will be really great, you know, the word experience is still good, I always say talent is more important than experience, I’ve always said that, but the word experience is a very important word, it’s a very important meaning. I never did this before, I never slept over in Washington, I was in Washington I think seventeen times, all of a sudden I’m the president of the United States, you know the story, I’m riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our First Lady and I say, “This is great!” But I didn’t know very many people in Washington, it wasn’t my thing, I was from Manhattan, from New York. Now I know everybody. And I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes, like, you know, an idiot like Bolton, all he wanted to do is drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to kill people.”
So, anyway, those are Trump’s top priorities. That’s what you can look forward to in Trump’s second term.
Just read that. Looks like a full diary of to do items.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
(Trump Interview on Sean Hannity last night)Hannity: “What are your top priority items for a second term?”
Trump: “Well one of the things that will be really great, you know, the word experience is still good, I always say talent is more important than experience, I’ve always said that, but the word experience is a very important word, it’s a very important meaning. I never did this before, I never slept over in Washington, I was in Washington I think seventeen times, all of a sudden I’m the president of the United States, you know the story, I’m riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our First Lady and I say, “This is great!” But I didn’t know very many people in Washington, it wasn’t my thing, I was from Manhattan, from New York. Now I know everybody. And I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes, like, you know, an idiot like Bolton, all he wanted to do is drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to kill people.”
So, anyway, those are Trump’s top priorities. That’s what you can look forward to in Trump’s second term.
Just read that. Looks like a full diary of to do items.
‘Now i know everybody’, he says.
And now, everybody knows you, DT.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
(Trump Interview on Sean Hannity last night)Hannity: “What are your top priority items for a second term?”
Trump: “Well one of the things that will be really great, you know, the word experience is still good, I always say talent is more important than experience, I’ve always said that, but the word experience is a very important word, it’s a very important meaning. I never did this before, I never slept over in Washington, I was in Washington I think seventeen times, all of a sudden I’m the president of the United States, you know the story, I’m riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our First Lady and I say, “This is great!” But I didn’t know very many people in Washington, it wasn’t my thing, I was from Manhattan, from New York. Now I know everybody. And I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes, like, you know, an idiot like Bolton, all he wanted to do is drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to kill people.”
So, anyway, those are Trump’s top priorities. That’s what you can look forward to in Trump’s second term.
Just read that. Looks like a full diary of to do items.
If you don’t have to kill people, why is it do what I say not what I do?
roughbarked said:
If you don’t have to kill people, why is it do what I say not what I do?
He said that you don’t have to kill people.
Didn’t say that it wasn’t still on the list of options.

captain_spalding said:
Nice :)
captain_spalding said:
ha!
captain_spalding said:
Excellent!
captain_spalding said:
Perfect
(CNN)Law professors and faculty from George Washington University Law School, Attorney General William Barr’s alma mater, said in a letter Tuesday he has “failed to fulfill his oath of office to ‘support and defend the Constitution of the United States.’ “
The rebuke comes after continued fallout over the departure of Geoffrey Berman, the federal prosecutor ousted over the weekend by the Trump administration, and adds to a chorus of criticism over Barr’s actions as attorney general. Barr received his Juris Doctor degree from the law school in 1977, and while serving as attorney general under then-President George H.W. Bush he received an honorary degree from the university in 1992.
In a statement signed by 65 faculty and professors from the law school, the group wrote that Barr’s actions as attorney general “have undermined the rule of law, breached constitutional norms, and damaged the integrity and traditional independence of his office and of the Department of Justice.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/george-washington-law-william-barr/index.html
dv said:
“Although this particular image was doctored, the “Make 45 Becomes 46 Again” shirt is a genuine product available for purchase online. In fact, it seems that this faux image was created with the specific intent of selling such t-shirt”Who would buy a shirt on the basis of that image?
The idea with viral marketing like this is to get the image as widely distributed as possible without having to pay the costs of more traditional types of advertising – a small number of sales from a massive distribution of the image is profitable if the cost of getting that image seen by a large number of people is zero.
The people selling this t-shirt could have gone a more traditional route, hiring a blandly handsome model to wear the shirt standing in front of a beige background, well lit and photographed by a professional photographer, But then when someone sees that photo they think “That’s a dumb shirt” and move on. They are more likely to retweet the photo or post it to the holiday forum if they are able to build a narrative from the picture which they think others will find amusing or agree with them on; that narrative in this case being “haha look at this dumb idiot.. he thinks Trump would be 46 if he wins in 2020…. haha what an idiot. Also he’s kind of fat and dumb looking. A fat dumb Trump supporter haha, and he can’t even grammar real-proper-good, “becomes” haha. He’s such a fat dumb uneducated asshole Trump supporter. But hey, that’s all Trump supporters, am I right?”
That is a much more compelling narrative than “look at the silly shirt this model is being paid to wear In a photograph” and so, much more likely to “go viral”. Whilst the market for a shirt like this is probably very small, limited to those who think it’s funny because of its stupidity and those who genuinely don’t understand why it’s stupid, by having good folks such as yourself spread the image around it casts a much wider net than more traditional advertising could have achieved thereby making even limited sales a profitable endeavour.
Speaking of insane images of Trump, here’s one from Facepalm.
Spiny Norman said:
Speaking of insane images of Trump, here’s one from Facepalm.
Siri, show me a picture of an empire in decline.
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
Speaking of insane images of Trump, here’s one from Facepalm.
Siri, show me a picture of an empire in decline.
LOL
Outrage mounts over report Russia offered bounties to Afghanistan militants for killing US soldiers
Outrage has greeted media reports that American officials believe a Russian intelligence unit offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing foreign soldiers in Afghanistan, including targeting Americans.
The reports said that the US had come to the conclusion about the operation several months ago and that Russia had offered rewards for successful attacks last year.
The Times wrote: “The intelligence finding was briefed to Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March.” White House officials apparently drew up several possible options to retaliate against the Kremlin, ranging from a diplomatic reprimand right through to fresh sanctions. However, the White House has so far not taken any action.
It is not clear if bounties were ever paid out for successfully killing American soldiers. The White House denied that either Trump or the vice-president, Mike Pence, were briefed on such a matter.
As the news broke it triggered a fierce response from top Democrats, especially those who have long pointed to what they say is Trump’s overly close relationship to Russia’s autocratic leader, Vladimir Putin.
Virginia senator Tim Kaine, who was Hillary Clinton’s running mate in 2016, said: “Trump was cozying up to Putin and inviting him to the G7 all while his administration reportedly knew Russia was trying to kill US troops in Afghanistan and derail peace talks with the Taliban.”
Michael McFaul, a former ambassador to Russia and a professor of political science at Stanford University, said: “I hope the American people will be as outraged as I am over Trump’s complacency. After he knew about these Putin-ordered contracts to kill US soldiers, Trump invited Putin to the G7.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/27/russia-offered-bounties-afghanistan-militants-killing-us-soldiers-report-outrage
dv said:
Outrage mounts over report Russia offered bounties to Afghanistan militants for killing US soldiersOutrage has greeted media reports that American officials believe a Russian intelligence unit offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing foreign soldiers in Afghanistan, including targeting Americans.
The reports said that the US had come to the conclusion about the operation several months ago and that Russia had offered rewards for successful attacks last year.
The Times wrote: “The intelligence finding was briefed to Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March.” White House officials apparently drew up several possible options to retaliate against the Kremlin, ranging from a diplomatic reprimand right through to fresh sanctions. However, the White House has so far not taken any action.
It is not clear if bounties were ever paid out for successfully killing American soldiers. The White House denied that either Trump or the vice-president, Mike Pence, were briefed on such a matter.
As the news broke it triggered a fierce response from top Democrats, especially those who have long pointed to what they say is Trump’s overly close relationship to Russia’s autocratic leader, Vladimir Putin.
Virginia senator Tim Kaine, who was Hillary Clinton’s running mate in 2016, said: “Trump was cozying up to Putin and inviting him to the G7 all while his administration reportedly knew Russia was trying to kill US troops in Afghanistan and derail peace talks with the Taliban.”
Michael McFaul, a former ambassador to Russia and a professor of political science at Stanford University, said: “I hope the American people will be as outraged as I am over Trump’s complacency. After he knew about these Putin-ordered contracts to kill US soldiers, Trump invited Putin to the G7.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/27/russia-offered-bounties-afghanistan-militants-killing-us-soldiers-report-outrage
Well that’s a bit of a scandal isn’t it? Putin offering money to the Taliban to kill Americans. Tht’s worthy of another round of embargoes and trade sanctions all on its own I’da reckon.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Outrage mounts over report Russia offered bounties to Afghanistan militants for killing US soldiersOutrage has greeted media reports that American officials believe a Russian intelligence unit offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing foreign soldiers in Afghanistan, including targeting Americans.
The reports said that the US had come to the conclusion about the operation several months ago and that Russia had offered rewards for successful attacks last year.
The Times wrote: “The intelligence finding was briefed to Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March.” White House officials apparently drew up several possible options to retaliate against the Kremlin, ranging from a diplomatic reprimand right through to fresh sanctions. However, the White House has so far not taken any action.
It is not clear if bounties were ever paid out for successfully killing American soldiers. The White House denied that either Trump or the vice-president, Mike Pence, were briefed on such a matter.
As the news broke it triggered a fierce response from top Democrats, especially those who have long pointed to what they say is Trump’s overly close relationship to Russia’s autocratic leader, Vladimir Putin.
Virginia senator Tim Kaine, who was Hillary Clinton’s running mate in 2016, said: “Trump was cozying up to Putin and inviting him to the G7 all while his administration reportedly knew Russia was trying to kill US troops in Afghanistan and derail peace talks with the Taliban.”
Michael McFaul, a former ambassador to Russia and a professor of political science at Stanford University, said: “I hope the American people will be as outraged as I am over Trump’s complacency. After he knew about these Putin-ordered contracts to kill US soldiers, Trump invited Putin to the G7.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/27/russia-offered-bounties-afghanistan-militants-killing-us-soldiers-report-outrage
Well that’s a bit of a scandal isn’t it? Putin offering money to the Taliban to kill Americans. Tht’s worthy of another round of embargoes and trade sanctions all on its own I’da reckon.
You’d think so.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Outrage mounts over report Russia offered bounties to Afghanistan militants for killing US soldiersOutrage has greeted media reports that American officials believe a Russian intelligence unit offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing foreign soldiers in Afghanistan, including targeting Americans.
The reports said that the US had come to the conclusion about the operation several months ago and that Russia had offered rewards for successful attacks last year.
The Times wrote: “The intelligence finding was briefed to Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March.” White House officials apparently drew up several possible options to retaliate against the Kremlin, ranging from a diplomatic reprimand right through to fresh sanctions. However, the White House has so far not taken any action.
It is not clear if bounties were ever paid out for successfully killing American soldiers. The White House denied that either Trump or the vice-president, Mike Pence, were briefed on such a matter.
As the news broke it triggered a fierce response from top Democrats, especially those who have long pointed to what they say is Trump’s overly close relationship to Russia’s autocratic leader, Vladimir Putin.
Virginia senator Tim Kaine, who was Hillary Clinton’s running mate in 2016, said: “Trump was cozying up to Putin and inviting him to the G7 all while his administration reportedly knew Russia was trying to kill US troops in Afghanistan and derail peace talks with the Taliban.”
Michael McFaul, a former ambassador to Russia and a professor of political science at Stanford University, said: “I hope the American people will be as outraged as I am over Trump’s complacency. After he knew about these Putin-ordered contracts to kill US soldiers, Trump invited Putin to the G7.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/27/russia-offered-bounties-afghanistan-militants-killing-us-soldiers-report-outrage
Well that’s a bit of a scandal isn’t it? Putin offering money to the Taliban to kill Americans. That’s worthy of another round of embargoes and trade sanctions all on its own I’d reckon.
+1
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Outrage mounts over report Russia offered bounties to Afghanistan militants for killing US soldiersOutrage has greeted media reports that American officials believe a Russian intelligence unit offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing foreign soldiers in Afghanistan, including targeting Americans.
The reports said that the US had come to the conclusion about the operation several months ago and that Russia had offered rewards for successful attacks last year.
The Times wrote: “The intelligence finding was briefed to Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March.” White House officials apparently drew up several possible options to retaliate against the Kremlin, ranging from a diplomatic reprimand right through to fresh sanctions. However, the White House has so far not taken any action.
It is not clear if bounties were ever paid out for successfully killing American soldiers. The White House denied that either Trump or the vice-president, Mike Pence, were briefed on such a matter.
As the news broke it triggered a fierce response from top Democrats, especially those who have long pointed to what they say is Trump’s overly close relationship to Russia’s autocratic leader, Vladimir Putin.
Virginia senator Tim Kaine, who was Hillary Clinton’s running mate in 2016, said: “Trump was cozying up to Putin and inviting him to the G7 all while his administration reportedly knew Russia was trying to kill US troops in Afghanistan and derail peace talks with the Taliban.”
Michael McFaul, a former ambassador to Russia and a professor of political science at Stanford University, said: “I hope the American people will be as outraged as I am over Trump’s complacency. After he knew about these Putin-ordered contracts to kill US soldiers, Trump invited Putin to the G7.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/27/russia-offered-bounties-afghanistan-militants-killing-us-soldiers-report-outrage
Well that’s a bit of a scandal isn’t it? Putin offering money to the Taliban to kill Americans. That’s worthy of another round of embargoes and trade sanctions all on its own I’d reckon.
+1
That would make the Taliban mercenaries. Something no good religious fanatic could abide.
Lawmakers on both sides the aisle in Washington want answers on new explosive reporting that a Russian spy unit paid the Taliban to attack U.S. troops stationed in Afghanistan.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said it’s “imperative” to get answers and urged the Trump administration to tell Congress what it knows about Russia’s efforts to pay bounties to kill American soldiers.
“I expect the Trump Administration to take such allegations seriously and inform Congress immediately as to the reliability of these news reports,” Graham, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, tweeted.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawmakers-want-answers-on-russia-paying-taliban-to-attack-us-troops
Even Lindsay Graham had words
dv said:
Outrage mounts over report Russia offered bounties to Afghanistan militants for killing US soldiersOutrage has greeted media reports that American officials believe a Russian intelligence unit offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing foreign soldiers in Afghanistan, including targeting Americans.
The reports said that the US had come to the conclusion about the operation several months ago and that Russia had offered rewards for successful attacks last year.
The Times wrote: “The intelligence finding was briefed to Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March.” White House officials apparently drew up several possible options to retaliate against the Kremlin, ranging from a diplomatic reprimand right through to fresh sanctions. However, the White House has so far not taken any action.
It is not clear if bounties were ever paid out for successfully killing American soldiers. The White House denied that either Trump or the vice-president, Mike Pence, were briefed on such a matter.
As the news broke it triggered a fierce response from top Democrats, especially those who have long pointed to what they say is Trump’s overly close relationship to Russia’s autocratic leader, Vladimir Putin.
Virginia senator Tim Kaine, who was Hillary Clinton’s running mate in 2016, said: “Trump was cozying up to Putin and inviting him to the G7 all while his administration reportedly knew Russia was trying to kill US troops in Afghanistan and derail peace talks with the Taliban.”
Michael McFaul, a former ambassador to Russia and a professor of political science at Stanford University, said: “I hope the American people will be as outraged as I am over Trump’s complacency. After he knew about these Putin-ordered contracts to kill US soldiers, Trump invited Putin to the G7.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/27/russia-offered-bounties-afghanistan-militants-killing-us-soldiers-report-outrage
That’ll be a great trivia question in years to come.
Who was Hilary’s Vice President running mate in 2016. Until I saw his name in the above I wouldn’t have got it if someone had asked me.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Outrage mounts over report Russia offered bounties to Afghanistan militants for killing US soldiersOutrage has greeted media reports that American officials believe a Russian intelligence unit offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing foreign soldiers in Afghanistan, including targeting Americans.
The reports said that the US had come to the conclusion about the operation several months ago and that Russia had offered rewards for successful attacks last year.
The Times wrote: “The intelligence finding was briefed to Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March.” White House officials apparently drew up several possible options to retaliate against the Kremlin, ranging from a diplomatic reprimand right through to fresh sanctions. However, the White House has so far not taken any action.
It is not clear if bounties were ever paid out for successfully killing American soldiers. The White House denied that either Trump or the vice-president, Mike Pence, were briefed on such a matter.
As the news broke it triggered a fierce response from top Democrats, especially those who have long pointed to what they say is Trump’s overly close relationship to Russia’s autocratic leader, Vladimir Putin.
Virginia senator Tim Kaine, who was Hillary Clinton’s running mate in 2016, said: “Trump was cozying up to Putin and inviting him to the G7 all while his administration reportedly knew Russia was trying to kill US troops in Afghanistan and derail peace talks with the Taliban.”
Michael McFaul, a former ambassador to Russia and a professor of political science at Stanford University, said: “I hope the American people will be as outraged as I am over Trump’s complacency. After he knew about these Putin-ordered contracts to kill US soldiers, Trump invited Putin to the G7.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/27/russia-offered-bounties-afghanistan-militants-killing-us-soldiers-report-outrage
That’ll be a great trivia question in years to come.
Who was Hilary’s Vice President running mate in 2016. Until I saw his name in the above I wouldn’t have got it if someone had asked me.
How dare you! He’s every bit as famous as Estes Kefauver.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Outrage mounts over report Russia offered bounties to Afghanistan militants for killing US soldiersOutrage has greeted media reports that American officials believe a Russian intelligence unit offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing foreign soldiers in Afghanistan, including targeting Americans.
The reports said that the US had come to the conclusion about the operation several months ago and that Russia had offered rewards for successful attacks last year.
The Times wrote: “The intelligence finding was briefed to Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March.” White House officials apparently drew up several possible options to retaliate against the Kremlin, ranging from a diplomatic reprimand right through to fresh sanctions. However, the White House has so far not taken any action.
It is not clear if bounties were ever paid out for successfully killing American soldiers. The White House denied that either Trump or the vice-president, Mike Pence, were briefed on such a matter.
As the news broke it triggered a fierce response from top Democrats, especially those who have long pointed to what they say is Trump’s overly close relationship to Russia’s autocratic leader, Vladimir Putin.
Virginia senator Tim Kaine, who was Hillary Clinton’s running mate in 2016, said: “Trump was cozying up to Putin and inviting him to the G7 all while his administration reportedly knew Russia was trying to kill US troops in Afghanistan and derail peace talks with the Taliban.”
Michael McFaul, a former ambassador to Russia and a professor of political science at Stanford University, said: “I hope the American people will be as outraged as I am over Trump’s complacency. After he knew about these Putin-ordered contracts to kill US soldiers, Trump invited Putin to the G7.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/27/russia-offered-bounties-afghanistan-militants-killing-us-soldiers-report-outrage
That’ll be a great trivia question in years to come.
Who was Hilary’s Vice President running mate in 2016. Until I saw his name in the above I wouldn’t have got it if someone had asked me.
How dare you! He’s every bit as famous as Estes Kefauver.
You did make me go and look Estes up :)
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:That’ll be a great trivia question in years to come.
Who was Hilary’s Vice President running mate in 2016. Until I saw his name in the above I wouldn’t have got it if someone had asked me.
How dare you! He’s every bit as famous as Estes Kefauver.
You did make me go and look Estes up :)
Excellent
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:That’ll be a great trivia question in years to come.
Who was Hilary’s Vice President running mate in 2016. Until I saw his name in the above I wouldn’t have got it if someone had asked me.
How dare you! He’s every bit as famous as Estes Kefauver.
You did make me go and look Estes up :)
you’ll rock it.
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
dv said:How dare you! He’s every bit as famous as Estes Kefauver.
You did make me go and look Estes up :)
you’ll rock it.
Two current Department of Justice prosecutors have testified that the Department of Justice has been politicised, and that Barr has not treated Trump’s allies as he has treated general defendants.
Ex-Stone prosecutor says Stone treated differently ‘because of his relationship to the President’
(CNN)A deputy to former special counsel Robert Mueller plans to tell a congressional panel Wednesday that the “highest levels” of the Justice Department politicized the sentencing of President Donald Trump’s longtime friend and adviser Roger Stone by pressuring the acting US attorney for the District of Columbia to ease up on his sentencing, according to written testimony the committee released Tuesday.
Aaron Zelinsky, a member of Mueller’s team who prosecuted the Stone case, submitted written testimony charging that Stone was “being treated differently from any other defendant because of his relationship to the President.”
“What I saw was the Department of Justice exerting significant pressure on the line prosecutors in the case to obscure the correct Sentencing Guidelines calculation to which Roger Stone was subject — and to water down and in some cases outright distort the events that transpired in his trial and the criminal conduct that gave rise to his conviction,” Zelinsky said in his written statement.
Zelinsky, currently a prosecutor in the Maryland US Attorney’s Office, is testifying before the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday at a hearing on the politicization of the Justice Department under Attorney General William Barr. Zelinsky is appearing alongside John Elias, a career staffer in DOJ’s Antitrust Division who is accusing Barr of ordering investigations into 10 mergers of cannabis companies because he did not like the industry.
The allegations leveled against Barr from two current employees in the Justice Department are one sign of how politicized Barr’s decision-making has become within the ranks of career officials. The hearing comes as the DOJ and Trump are facing criticism for the firing of Geoffrey Berman, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, which has pursued Trump and his allies. Berman initially refused to resign before agreeing to step aside after he was fired by Trump and Barr over the weekend.
House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, a Democrat from New York, is planning to issue a subpoena for Barr’s testimony next week, though it’s unclear that Barr would testify. The committee has also invited Berman to testify.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/23/politics/aaron-zelinsky-roger-stone/index.html
“US President Donald Trump has retweeted a video showing one of his supporters shouting “white power” at people protesting against his administration, drawing an immediate rebuke from the only black Republican in the Senate.
After a protester calls a Trump supporter a racist, the man responds by raising his fist and shouting “white power”.
Key points:
sigh
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/donald-trump-retweets-video-of-supporter-shouting-white-power/12401628
I bet those White House spokespeople are tired of coming up with excuses.
Washington, DC (CNN)President Donald Trump’s campaign directed the removal of thousands of “Do Not Sit Here, Please!” stickers from seats in the Bank of Oklahoma Center in the hours before the President’s much anticipated Tulsa rally, the Washington Postreported on Saturday.
As part of the BOK Center’s safety plan for the June 20 rally, arena management had purchased 12,000 do-not-sit stickers with the intention of keeping people apart by leaving open seats between attendees, according to the Post.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/27/politics/social-distancing-stickers-trump-campaign-tulsa-rally/index.html
Remember like 18 hours ago when even Fox news was starting to ask questions about why the President has not responded to Russia paying the Taliban to kill US soldiers? Well that’s all gone now because he tweeted a White Power video. yay.
Iran issues arrest warrant for Trump over drone strike that killed Qasem Soleimani
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/29/middleeast/iran-arrest-warrant-donald-trump-intl/index.html
Yeah well, get in line
dv said:
Iran issues arrest warrant for Trump over drone strike that killed Qasem Soleimanihttps://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/29/middleeast/iran-arrest-warrant-donald-trump-intl/index.html
Yeah well, get in line
It is a bit funny.
https://youtu.be/kiDkTOKI7Ro
More gold from anti-Trump Republicans
“Bounty”
dv said:
https://youtu.be/kiDkTOKI7RoMore gold from anti-Trump Republicans
“Bounty”
Must be interesting around the dinner table in the Conway household.
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/kiDkTOKI7RoMore gold from anti-Trump Republicans
“Bounty”
Must be interesting around the dinner table in the Conway household.
Don’y be stealing my material. I said this exact thing two weeks ago.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/kiDkTOKI7RoMore gold from anti-Trump Republicans
“Bounty”
Must be interesting around the dinner table in the Conway household.
Don’y be stealing my material. I said this exact thing two weeks ago.
Mea culpa, I must have either missed it or it has slipped my beer soaked mind. Probably the latter.
Senior U.S. officials, including former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, former Chief of Staff John Kelly and former National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster, reportedly felt that Trump “posed a danger to the national security of the United States” in his phone calls with world leaders and concluded that he was often “delusional.”
“The sources said there was little evidence that the President became more skillful or competent in his telephone conversations with most heads of state over time,” Bernstein writes. “Rather, he continued to believe that he could either charm, jawbone or bully almost any foreign leader into capitulating to his will, and often pursued goals more attuned to his own agenda than what many of his senior advisers considered the national interest.”
Trump would reportedly bash his predecessors, George W. Bush and Barack Obama, in phone calls with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Erdoğan, who consistently “outplay” Trump, with one source “comparing the Russian leader to a chess grandmaster and Trump to an occasional player of checkers.”
Calls with allies fared no better, particularly with female heads of state like former British Prime Minister Theresa May and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who Trump frequently labelled “stupid” and accused of being in the pocket of the Russians in calls so egregious the German government took “special measures” to keep them secret, Bernstein writes.
“ gives away the advantage that was hard won in the Cold War,” by “giving Putin and Russia a legitimacy they never had,” one high-level administration official told Bernstein, citing Trump’s decision to pull U.S. troops out of Syria as an example of “giving away the store” to both Russia and Turkey.
The report runs parallel to allegations recently made by Trump’s former National Security Advisor John Bolton in his new tell-all book, The Room Where It Happened. Bolton alleges that Trump habitually used the White House’s foreign policy portfolio to pursue his own personal and political interests, sometimes at the expense of national security. Bolton also details instances in which Trump was willing to intervene in U.S. law enforcement investigations on behalf of Erdogan, who Bernstein says has the “ability to get his way with Trump on the phone calls.”
Bernstein’s sources describe the calls as so damning that they would damage Trump’s reputation with both the public and senior Republican lawmakers. One source told Bernstein the calls are “an abomination,” that would cause GOP members of Congress to lose confidence in Trump if full transcripts were released. Bernstein also wrote that sources said that transcriptions and other documents about the calls, prepared by former NSC staffer Fiona Hill, could be “devastating to the President’s standing with members of the Congress of both parties — and the public — if revealed in great detail.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/29/stunning-report-alleges-trump-regularly-bullies-us-allies-gets-outplayed-by-enemies-in-phone-calls/#58696210d391
dv said:
Senior U.S. officials, including former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, former Chief of Staff John Kelly and former National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster, reportedly felt that Trump “posed a danger to the national security of the United States” in his phone calls with world leaders and concluded that he was often “delusional.”
“The sources said there was little evidence that the President became more skillful or competent in his telephone conversations with most heads of state over time,” Bernstein writes. “Rather, he continued to believe that he could either charm, jawbone or bully almost any foreign leader into capitulating to his will, and often pursued goals more attuned to his own agenda than what many of his senior advisers considered the national interest.”
Trump would reportedly bash his predecessors, George W. Bush and Barack Obama, in phone calls with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Erdoğan, who consistently “outplay” Trump, with one source “comparing the Russian leader to a chess grandmaster and Trump to an occasional player of checkers.”
Calls with allies fared no better, particularly with female heads of state like former British Prime Minister Theresa May and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who Trump frequently labelled “stupid” and accused of being in the pocket of the Russians in calls so egregious the German government took “special measures” to keep them secret, Bernstein writes.
“ gives away the advantage that was hard won in the Cold War,” by “giving Putin and Russia a legitimacy they never had,” one high-level administration official told Bernstein, citing Trump’s decision to pull U.S. troops out of Syria as an example of “giving away the store” to both Russia and Turkey.
The report runs parallel to allegations recently made by Trump’s former National Security Advisor John Bolton in his new tell-all book, The Room Where It Happened. Bolton alleges that Trump habitually used the White House’s foreign policy portfolio to pursue his own personal and political interests, sometimes at the expense of national security. Bolton also details instances in which Trump was willing to intervene in U.S. law enforcement investigations on behalf of Erdogan, who Bernstein says has the “ability to get his way with Trump on the phone calls.”
Bernstein’s sources describe the calls as so damning that they would damage Trump’s reputation with both the public and senior Republican lawmakers. One source told Bernstein the calls are “an abomination,” that would cause GOP members of Congress to lose confidence in Trump if full transcripts were released. Bernstein also wrote that sources said that transcriptions and other documents about the calls, prepared by former NSC staffer Fiona Hill, could be “devastating to the President’s standing with members of the Congress of both parties — and the public — if revealed in great detail.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/29/stunning-report-alleges-trump-regularly-bullies-us-allies-gets-outplayed-by-enemies-in-phone-calls/#58696210d391
I’m glad someone is saying it.
White House aware of Russian bounties in 2019
Top officials in the White House were aware in early 2019 of classified intelligence indicating Russia was secretly offering bounties to the Taliban for the deaths of Americans, a full year earlier than has been previously reported, according to U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the intelligence.
The assessment was included in at least one of President Donald Trump’s written daily intelligence briefings at the time, according to the officials. Then-national security adviser John Bolton also told colleagues he briefed Trump on the intelligence assessment in March 2019.
The White House did not respond to questions about Trump or other officials’ awareness of Russia’s provocations in 2019. The White House has said Trump was not — and still has not been — briefed on the intelligence assessments because they have not been fully verified. However, it is rare for intelligence to be confirmed without a shadow of a doubt before it is presented to top officials.
https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1
Kellyanne Conway’s 15-year-old daughter is defiantly posting anti-Trump and pro-Black Lives Matter TikToks ‘to inform people and spread love’
https://www.insider.com/claudia-conway-posting-anti-trump-tiktoks-2020-6
dv said:
Kellyanne Conway’s 15-year-old daughter is defiantly posting anti-Trump and pro-Black Lives Matter TikToks ‘to inform people and spread love’https://www.insider.com/claudia-conway-posting-anti-trump-tiktoks-2020-6
What a household!

Still, sobering to thing that it was very close indeed only three months ago. Still plenty of time for a reversal.
dv said:
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Still, sobering to thing that it was very close indeed only three months ago. Still plenty of time for a reversal.
So what do you reckon the chances are of the Republicans choosing to go with someone other than Trump?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
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Still, sobering to thing that it was very close indeed only three months ago. Still plenty of time for a reversal.
So what do you reckon the chances are of the Republicans choosing to go with someone other than Trump?
Low.
Don’t despair Mr Trump sir you can do it
dv said:
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Still, sobering to thing that it was very close indeed only three months ago. Still plenty of time for a reversal.
The Republicans could discover that Biden’s housekeeper’s brother-in-law’s neighbour’s nephew’s best friend’s cousin once kicked a dog, and use that to destroy his electoral credibility.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
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Still, sobering to thing that it was very close indeed only three months ago. Still plenty of time for a reversal.
So what do you reckon the chances are of the Republicans choosing to go with someone other than Trump?
Low.
Unless they can arrange for him to visit Dallas…
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
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Still, sobering to thing that it was very close indeed only three months ago. Still plenty of time for a reversal.
The Republicans could discover that Biden’s housekeeper’s brother-in-law’s neighbour’s nephew’s best friend’s cousin once kicked a dog, and use that to destroy his electoral credibility.
LOLs.
:)
The-Spectator said:
Don’t despair Mr Trump sir you can do it
but can he get back UP the ramp?
dv said:
The-Spectator said:
Don’t despair Mr Trump sir you can do it
but can he get back UP the ramp?
For dimensional correctness he’ll need to add a ‘g’ to the mass and the co-efficient of friction.
dv said:
The-Spectator said:
Don’t despair Mr Trump sir you can do it
but can he get back UP the ramp?
actually that gives me an idea for a meme
dv said:
dv said:
The-Spectator said:
Don’t despair Mr Trump sir you can do it
but can he get back UP the ramp?
actually that gives me an idea for a meme
There we go
dv said:
dv said:
dv said:but can he get back UP the ramp?
actually that gives me an idea for a meme
There we go
Nice :)
sibeen said:
dv said:
The-Spectator said:
Don’t despair Mr Trump sir you can do it
but can he get back UP the ramp?
For dimensional correctness he’ll need to add a ‘g’ to the mass and the co-efficient of friction.
You want to multiply mass by g^2 now?
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
dv said:but can he get back UP the ramp?
For dimensional correctness he’ll need to add a ‘g’ to the mass and the co-efficient of friction.
You want to multiply mass by g^2 now?
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
dv said:but can he get back UP the ramp?
For dimensional correctness he’ll need to add a ‘g’ to the mass and the co-efficient of friction.
You want to multiply mass by g^2 now?
dv left a ‘g’ out of an equation last night and in his defence he quickly corrected himself. I’d had a crack at him about dimensional analysis just prior and it should have been more closely heeded.
dv said:
dv said:
dv said:but can he get back UP the ramp?
actually that gives me an idea for a meme
There we go
Approved.
dv said:
dv said:
dv said:but can he get back UP the ramp?
actually that gives me an idea for a meme
There we go
:)
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:For dimensional correctness he’ll need to add a ‘g’ to the mass and the co-efficient of friction.
You want to multiply mass by g^2 now?
dv left a ‘g’ out of an equation last night and in his defence he quickly corrected himself. I’d had a crack at him about dimensional analysis just prior and it should have been more closely heeded.
Yeah, saw all that, but you seem to be applying g beyond the bounds of dimensional correctness now.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
dv said:actually that gives me an idea for a meme
There we go
Approved.
Oh. The comments.
Civil War at Retirement Community Over Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBMnxCtgZpg
https://www.facebook.com/656374441154316/posts/2316342668490810/?d=null&vh=e
Veterans For Responsible Leadership
dv said:
https://www.facebook.com/656374441154316/posts/2316342668490810/?d=null&vh=eVeterans For Responsible Leadership
bit savage.
Trump seems to have steadily worked on alienating one small portion his his supporter bases at a time.
QAnon-linked Lauren Boebert wins her Colorado primary
It will be Lauren Boebert who goes into the election in Colorado in November after her surprise primary victory last night.
The owner of a gun-themed restaurant where staff carry their weapons as they serve customers, Boebert won after a campaign in which she accused five-term Rep. Scott Tipton of not being sufficiently pro-Donald Trump, even though the president had endorsed Tipton.
Boebert wrote in a recent Aspen Times column that “A sober look at the Tipton record shows a back-burner representative that has failed to live up to his conservative chops that he touted on his Tea Party-inspired campaign trail. If his record lived up to his campaign rhetoric, I wouldn’t feel so compelled to run.”
She made made a name for herself after loudly protesting Democratic Gov. Jared Polis’ orders to close businesses to fight the coronavirus pandemic. She opened her Shooters Grill restaurant in defiance of closure orders – county officials ended up having to to obtain a cease-and-desist letter from a district judge to shut her restaurant down.
She’s also spoken approvingly of the QAnon far-right conspiracy theory saying during an appearance on QAnon-aligned web show Steel Truth: “Everything that I’ve heard of Q, I hope that this is real because it only means that America is getting stronger and better, and people are returning to conservative values.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jul/01/us-politics-donald-trump-coronavirus-fauci-lauren-boebert-live-updates
She sounds like a keeper.
sibeen said:
QAnon-linked Lauren Boebert wins her Colorado primary
It will be Lauren Boebert who goes into the election in Colorado in November after her surprise primary victory last night.The owner of a gun-themed restaurant where staff carry their weapons as they serve customers, Boebert won after a campaign in which she accused five-term Rep. Scott Tipton of not being sufficiently pro-Donald Trump, even though the president had endorsed Tipton.
Boebert wrote in a recent Aspen Times column that “A sober look at the Tipton record shows a back-burner representative that has failed to live up to his conservative chops that he touted on his Tea Party-inspired campaign trail. If his record lived up to his campaign rhetoric, I wouldn’t feel so compelled to run.”
She made made a name for herself after loudly protesting Democratic Gov. Jared Polis’ orders to close businesses to fight the coronavirus pandemic. She opened her Shooters Grill restaurant in defiance of closure orders – county officials ended up having to to obtain a cease-and-desist letter from a district judge to shut her restaurant down.
She’s also spoken approvingly of the QAnon far-right conspiracy theory saying during an appearance on QAnon-aligned web show Steel Truth: “Everything that I’ve heard of Q, I hope that this is real because it only means that America is getting stronger and better, and people are returning to conservative values.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jul/01/us-politics-donald-trump-coronavirus-fauci-lauren-boebert-live-updates
She sounds like a keeper.
Still, it gives the Democrat a clear slogan.
“I am not insane”
US officials reportedly intercepted electronic data exhibiting massive financial transfers from Russia’s military intelligence agency (the GRU) to a Taliban-linked account. The financial transfer data bolstered intelligence gathered from interrogations pointing to a Russian plot to pay Taliban-linked militants to kill US soldiers in Afghanistan.
House GOP lawmakers briefed on this intelligence at the White House on Monday were not told about the intercepted data on the financial transfers, according to the New York Times.
The Trump administration has downplayed reports on the suspected Russian plot, while claiming President Donald Trump was never briefed on the matter.
Multiple reports suggest the intelligence was included more than once in Trump’s written daily briefing, including in late February and possibly as early as last year.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-officials-discovered-russian-payments-taliban-to-kill-us-troops-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
dv said:
US officials reportedly intercepted electronic data exhibiting massive financial transfers from Russia’s military intelligence agency (the GRU) to a Taliban-linked account. The financial transfer data bolstered intelligence gathered from interrogations pointing to a Russian plot to pay Taliban-linked militants to kill US soldiers in Afghanistan.House GOP lawmakers briefed on this intelligence at the White House on Monday were not told about the intercepted data on the financial transfers, according to the New York Times.
The Trump administration has downplayed reports on the suspected Russian plot, while claiming President Donald Trump was never briefed on the matter.
Multiple reports suggest the intelligence was included more than once in Trump’s written daily briefing, including in late February and possibly as early as last year.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-officials-discovered-russian-payments-taliban-to-kill-us-troops-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
CIA did not verbally brief Trump on Russia report, says official
Just as the USA is trying to get the hell out of Afghanistan something pops up out of the woodwork . Surprise, surprise, surprise.
sibeen said:
dv said:
US officials reportedly intercepted electronic data exhibiting massive financial transfers from Russia’s military intelligence agency (the GRU) to a Taliban-linked account. The financial transfer data bolstered intelligence gathered from interrogations pointing to a Russian plot to pay Taliban-linked militants to kill US soldiers in Afghanistan.House GOP lawmakers briefed on this intelligence at the White House on Monday were not told about the intercepted data on the financial transfers, according to the New York Times.
The Trump administration has downplayed reports on the suspected Russian plot, while claiming President Donald Trump was never briefed on the matter.
Multiple reports suggest the intelligence was included more than once in Trump’s written daily briefing, including in late February and possibly as early as last year.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-officials-discovered-russian-payments-taliban-to-kill-us-troops-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
CIA did not verbally brief Trump on Russia report, says official
Just as the USA is trying to get the hell out of Afghanistan something pops up out of the woodwork . Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Popped out of the wordwork in April 2019. That was when they alerted the British authorities about the threat.
Obv Q: why was the presidented not verbally briefed on this?
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
US officials reportedly intercepted electronic data exhibiting massive financial transfers from Russia’s military intelligence agency (the GRU) to a Taliban-linked account. The financial transfer data bolstered intelligence gathered from interrogations pointing to a Russian plot to pay Taliban-linked militants to kill US soldiers in Afghanistan.House GOP lawmakers briefed on this intelligence at the White House on Monday were not told about the intercepted data on the financial transfers, according to the New York Times.
The Trump administration has downplayed reports on the suspected Russian plot, while claiming President Donald Trump was never briefed on the matter.
Multiple reports suggest the intelligence was included more than once in Trump’s written daily briefing, including in late February and possibly as early as last year.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-officials-discovered-russian-payments-taliban-to-kill-us-troops-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
CIA did not verbally brief Trump on Russia report, says official
Just as the USA is trying to get the hell out of Afghanistan something pops up out of the woodwork . Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Popped out of the wordwork in April 2019. That was when they alerted the British authorities about the threat.
Obv Q: why was the presidented not verbally briefed on this?
Trump had been trying to get peace talks off the ground and troops out well before April last year.
It’s the one decent thing I think he’s attempted to do. The USA has been in Afghanistan 19 bloody years. That’s insane. But hey, it is good for business for many people.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:CIA did not verbally brief Trump on Russia report, says official
Just as the USA is trying to get the hell out of Afghanistan something pops up out of the woodwork . Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Popped out of the wordwork in April 2019. That was when they alerted the British authorities about the threat.
Obv Q: why was the presidented not verbally briefed on this?
Trump had been trying to get peace talks off the ground and troops out well before April last year.
It’s the one decent thing I think he’s attempted to do. The USA has been in Afghanistan 19 bloody years. That’s insane. But hey, it is good for business for many people.
I wonder if the Afghan people benefited at all, Taliban is still active
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
dv said:Popped out of the wordwork in April 2019. That was when they alerted the British authorities about the threat.
Obv Q: why was the presidented not verbally briefed on this?
Trump had been trying to get peace talks off the ground and troops out well before April last year.
It’s the one decent thing I think he’s attempted to do. The USA has been in Afghanistan 19 bloody years. That’s insane. But hey, it is good for business for many people.
I wonder if the Afghan people benefited at all, Taliban is still active
Many senior people in the Afghan government certainly have. It’s been very bloody lucrative. Last thing they want is for the USA to withdraw, all that feelthy lucre no longer flowing into the country waiting to be siphoned off. That’d stop…heaven forfend.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:Trump had been trying to get peace talks off the ground and troops out well before April last year.
It’s the one decent thing I think he’s attempted to do. The USA has been in Afghanistan 19 bloody years. That’s insane. But hey, it is good for business for many people.
I wonder if the Afghan people benefited at all, Taliban is still active
Many senior people in the Afghan government certainly have. It’s been very bloody lucrative. Last thing they want is for the USA to withdraw, all that feelthy lucre no longer flowing into the country waiting to be siphoned off. That’d stop…heaven forfend.
So not really then, lots of dead on all sides, money making for a few and SNAFU
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
dv said:Popped out of the wordwork in April 2019. That was when they alerted the British authorities about the threat.
Obv Q: why was the presidented not verbally briefed on this?
Trump had been trying to get peace talks off the ground and troops out well before April last year.
It’s the one decent thing I think he’s attempted to do. The USA has been in Afghanistan 19 bloody years. That’s insane. But hey, it is good for business for many people.
I wonder if the Afghan people benefited at all, Taliban is still active
Women in Kabul and other areas controlled by the Afghan government have benefit in that they can receive an education, hold jobs, go outside without a family guardian, show their faces in public.
dv said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:Trump had been trying to get peace talks off the ground and troops out well before April last year.
It’s the one decent thing I think he’s attempted to do. The USA has been in Afghanistan 19 bloody years. That’s insane. But hey, it is good for business for many people.
I wonder if the Afghan people benefited at all, Taliban is still active
Women in Kabul and other areas controlled by the Afghan government have benefit in that they can receive an education, hold jobs, go outside without a family guardian, show their faces in public.
For how long I wonder, can the Afghan government hold their own once help is gone.
Cymek said:
dv said:
Cymek said:I wonder if the Afghan people benefited at all, Taliban is still active
Women in Kabul and other areas controlled by the Afghan government have benefit in that they can receive an education, hold jobs, go outside without a family guardian, show their faces in public.
For how long I wonder, can the Afghan government hold their own once help is gone.
It’s a fair question. Afghanistan has been at war since the 18th century: it’s the Yugoslavia of Asia, an intersection of competing empires.

Wasn’t me and anyway you can’t prove it.
dv said:
Cymek said:
dv said:Women in Kabul and other areas controlled by the Afghan government have benefit in that they can receive an education, hold jobs, go outside without a family guardian, show their faces in public.
For how long I wonder, can the Afghan government hold their own once help is gone.
It’s a fair question. Afghanistan has been at war since the 18th century: it’s the Yugoslavia of Asia, an intersection of competing empires.
Bad luck for anyone just wanting to live a life and be left alone
dv said:
Cymek said:
dv said:Women in Kabul and other areas controlled by the Afghan government have benefit in that they can receive an education, hold jobs, go outside without a family guardian, show their faces in public.
For how long I wonder, can the Afghan government hold their own once help is gone.
It’s a fair question. Afghanistan has been at war since the 18th century: it’s the Yugoslavia of Asia, an intersection of competing empires.
Longer than that, surely?
Peak Warming Man said:
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Wasn’t me and anyway you can’t prove it.
Rarely have words and an image been so well matched :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Cymek said:For how long I wonder, can the Afghan government hold their own once help is gone.
It’s a fair question. Afghanistan has been at war since the 18th century: it’s the Yugoslavia of Asia, an intersection of competing empires.
Longer than that, surely?
They had a bit of a break in the early 18th century.
dv said:
sibeen said:dv said:Divine Angel said:party_pants said:I notice the USA have set an new PB. Donald Trump is still hoping that it will just go away over their summer.
Normally I’m all for optimism, but I think “hoping it will suddenly disappear” is quite unrealistic.
I mean that’s what I’m hoping to happen to the Don
CIA did not verbally brief Trump on Russia report, says official
Just as the USA is trying to get the hell out of Afghanistan something pops up out of the woodwork . Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Popped out of the wordwork in April 2019. That was when they alerted the British authorities about the threat.
Obv Q: why was the presidented not verbally briefed on this?
“This president, I’ll tell you, is the most informed person on planet earth when it comes to the threats that we face…”
well you know what they say about fixing, and ignorance, and stupidity, and learning… clearly we don’t have an ignorance problem
https://youtu.be/UJ5eeqQ0sAs
Former FBI director describes the process of providing security briefings to President Trump
dv said:
https://youtu.be/UJ5eeqQ0sAsFormer FBI director describes the process of providing security briefings to President Trump
Flash cards and puppets
Cymek said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/UJ5eeqQ0sAsFormer FBI director describes the process of providing security briefings to President Trump
Flash cards and puppets
And a test afterwards
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/hundreds-of-republican-officials-launch-fundraiser-backing-biden-20200702-p558f2.html
I think they want Trump on Mount Rushmore
Those wacky Lincoln Project people are at it again.
sibeen said:
I think they want Trump on Mount RushmoreThose wacky Lincoln Project people are at it again.
Hmm, you’ll need to right click and open in a new tab for that one.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
I think they want Trump on Mount RushmoreThose wacky Lincoln Project people are at it again.
Hmm, you’ll need to right click and open in a new tab for that one.
they’ll need a big tarp.
In the interest of fairness I thought I’d better look up what dirt lies under the Lincoln Project’s rug and lo and behold That extreme right wing rag (it’s not) The Atlantic just did a bit of a hit piece on it:
Lincoln Project like lining certain pockets – mainly their own
Apparently TLP are buying ad time on Fox News almost exclusively in DC just so they know that the Prez sees them. Cruel bastards.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Apparently TLP are buying ad time on Fox News almost exclusively in DC just so they know that the Prez sees them. Cruel bastards.
Just because they may be a little bit corrupt doesn’t mean that I can’t like them :)
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Apparently TLP are buying ad time on Fox News almost exclusively in DC just so they know that the Prez sees them. Cruel bastards.
Just because they may be a little bit corrupt doesn’t mean that I can’t like them :)
Nice ref
sibeen said:
I think they want Trump on Mount RushmoreThose wacky Lincoln Project people are at it again.
As the worse American President. What a title, but what more could he expect.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/donald-trumps-reelection-campaign-selling-tshirts-with-nazilike-symbol/news-story/91d970752c05b06247b7657fd7034a51
JudgeMental said:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/donald-trumps-reelection-campaign-selling-tshirts-with-nazilike-symbol/news-story/91d970752c05b06247b7657fd7034a51
That’s pretty clear in this image…

sibeen said:
In the interest of fairness I thought I’d better look up what dirt lies under the Lincoln Project’s rug and lo and behold That extreme right wing rag (it’s not) The Atlantic just did a bit of a hit piece on it:Lincoln Project like lining certain pockets – mainly their own
“the enemy of my enemy is friend.” Spock.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/24/1955651/-The-Unfathomable-Stupidity-of-Rich-White-Men
sibeen said:
In the interest of fairness I thought I’d better look up what dirt lies under the Lincoln Project’s rug and lo and behold That extreme right wing rag (it’s not) The Atlantic just did a bit of a hit piece on it:Lincoln Project like lining certain pockets – mainly their own
I have no idea where The Atlantic sits on the political spectrum, or what the aims or activities of the Lincoln Project are, but having given that article a very quick skim, I have no interest in reading it any further, since its sole purpose appears to be to defend Trump by picking holes in those who criticise him.
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/donald-trumps-reelection-campaign-selling-tshirts-with-nazilike-symbol/news-story/91d970752c05b06247b7657fd7034a51
That’s pretty clear in this image…
coincidence
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/donald-trumps-reelection-campaign-selling-tshirts-with-nazilike-symbol/news-story/91d970752c05b06247b7657fd7034a51
That’s pretty clear in this image…
coincidence
yep, we just don’t notice all the times they aren’t like nazis.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/donald-trumps-reelection-campaign-selling-tshirts-with-nazilike-symbol/news-story/91d970752c05b06247b7657fd7034a51
That’s pretty clear in this image…
coincidence
Sure.
Michael V said:
That’s pretty clear in this image…
Oh, what a giveaway.
Also, the term “America First” was first used by the America First Committee.. it was the foremost United States non-interventionist pressure group against the American entry into World War II. Launched on September 4, 1940, it put out mixed messaging from the start. It principally supported isolationism for its own sake, but many communists made use of it, as well as antisemitic and pro-fascist speakers who became its leaders, and it was dissolved on December 10, 1941, three days after the attack on Pearl Harbor had brought the war to the United States.
It was also used by Warren Harding, regarded as one of America’s worst presidents.. “a rambling, high-sounding mixture of platitudes, patriotism, and pure nonsense”.
Sounds familiar.Ian said:
Michael V said:That’s pretty clear in this image…
Oh, what a giveaway.
Also, the term “America First” was first used by the America First Committee.. it was the foremost United States non-interventionist pressure group against the American entry into World War II. Launched on September 4, 1940, it put out mixed messaging from the start. It principally supported isolationism for its own sake, but many communists made use of it, as well as antisemitic and pro-fascist speakers who became its leaders, and it was dissolved on December 10, 1941, three days after the attack on Pearl Harbor had brought the war to the United States.
It was also used by Warren Harding, regarded as one of America’s worst presidents.. “a rambling, high-sounding mixture of platitudes, patriotism, and pure nonsense”.
Sounds familiar.
I wonder if one day the world will realise everyone is part of the world its one big connected society and everyone needs looking after not just your nation
Cymek said:
Ian said:
Michael V said:That’s pretty clear in this image…
Oh, what a giveaway.
Also, the term “America First” was first used by the America First Committee.. it was the foremost United States non-interventionist pressure group against the American entry into World War II. Launched on September 4, 1940, it put out mixed messaging from the start. It principally supported isolationism for its own sake, but many communists made use of it, as well as antisemitic and pro-fascist speakers who became its leaders, and it was dissolved on December 10, 1941, three days after the attack on Pearl Harbor had brought the war to the United States.
It was also used by Warren Harding, regarded as one of America’s worst presidents.. “a rambling, high-sounding mixture of platitudes, patriotism, and pure nonsense”.
Sounds familiar.I wonder if one day the world will realise everyone is part of the world its one big connected society and everyone needs looking after not just your nation
No.
Cymek said:
Ian said:
Michael V said:That’s pretty clear in this image…
Oh, what a giveaway.
Also, the term “America First” was first used by the America First Committee.. it was the foremost United States non-interventionist pressure group against the American entry into World War II. Launched on September 4, 1940, it put out mixed messaging from the start. It principally supported isolationism for its own sake, but many communists made use of it, as well as antisemitic and pro-fascist speakers who became its leaders, and it was dissolved on December 10, 1941, three days after the attack on Pearl Harbor had brought the war to the United States.
It was also used by Warren Harding, regarded as one of America’s worst presidents.. “a rambling, high-sounding mixture of platitudes, patriotism, and pure nonsense”.
Sounds familiar.I wonder if one day the world will realise everyone is part of the world its one big connected society and everyone needs looking after not just your nation
Unlikely.

Donald Trump does not know this woman.
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.
Nobody wants to know this woman now. Nobody.
“He tends not to absorb written material.”
That is polite. :)
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.
It seems like he’s capable of telling people almost anything – and nearly half of them will believe him.
I’d be surprised if his advisors and aids and writers aren’t running a book on who can get him to say the most obviously imbecilic thing.
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.
Shouldn’t be playing that game as they have basically the same pictures taken with the Clintons.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.Shouldn’t be playing that game as they have basically the same pictures taken with the Clintons.
I think Donald Trump jnr shared the Clinton photo on twitter and then took it down?
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.Shouldn’t be playing that game as they have basically the same pictures taken with the Clintons.
I think Donald Trump jnr shared the Clinton photo on twitter and then took it down?
It’s mutually assured destruction (MAD).
Rule 303 said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.It seems like he’s capable of telling people almost anything – and nearly half of them will believe him.
I’d be surprised if his advisors and aids and writers aren’t running a book on who can get him to say the most obviously imbecilic thing.
I don’t know who that woman was that was just interviewed on Planet America but she was angry with anyone that leaked on Trump, Worse than Trump to dump on Trump. It would be an impossible position.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:Shouldn’t be playing that game as they have basically the same pictures taken with the Clintons.
I think Donald Trump jnr shared the Clinton photo on twitter and then took it down?
It’s mutually assured destruction (MAD).
I’ve even got some photos of Trump with Clinton
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.
That woman is in a lot of trouble
I wouldn’t want to be that woman.
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.
He does not want to know this woman now, that’s for sure.
dv said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:I think Donald Trump jnr shared the Clinton photo on twitter and then took it down?
It’s mutually assured destruction (MAD).
I’ve even got some photos of Trump with Clinton
She’s a British socialite. There will be pictures of her with lots of people.
buffy said:
dv said:
sibeen said:It’s mutually assured destruction (MAD).
I’ve even got some photos of Trump with Clinton
She’s a British socialite. There will be pictures of her with lots of people.
Pretty sure Clinton is American
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.Shouldn’t be playing that game as they have basically the same pictures taken with the Clintons.
So far nobody is accusing Chelsea Clinton of participation.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.Shouldn’t be playing that game as they have basically the same pictures taken with the Clintons.
So far nobody is accusing Chelsea Clinton of participation.
I wasn’t thinking about the daughter.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.Shouldn’t be playing that game as they have basically the same pictures taken with the Clintons.

sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:Shouldn’t be playing that game as they have basically the same pictures taken with the Clintons.
So far nobody is accusing Chelsea Clinton of participation.
I wasn’t thinking about the daughter.
I don’t anyone is accusing Hillary either :/
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.Shouldn’t be playing that game as they have basically the same pictures taken with the Clintons.
So far nobody is accusing Chelsea Clinton of participation.
Who gives a heck about the Clintons anyway, they can all go to chokey for all I care.
Any pictures of Bernie Sanders with elite child traffickers? No? Shocking.
Arts said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.Shouldn’t be playing that game as they have basically the same pictures taken with the Clintons.
There are names on there that even I recognize.
Arts said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump does not know this woman.Shouldn’t be playing that game as they have basically the same pictures taken with the Clintons.
Lots of conspiracy theories to had there. I suppose some of them are innocent too. That makes it hard.
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
sibeen said:Shouldn’t be playing that game as they have basically the same pictures taken with the Clintons.
Lots of conspiracy theories to had there. I suppose some of them are innocent too. That makes it hard.
Never heard of Kelly Spamm but the name sounds suss.
I suppose some broader context is required. Like if someone has already been the subject of a lawsuit about specific child sex crimes, you’d be more curious of their association with child sex traffickers than you would, say, about Tom Hanks or Oprah Winfrey.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
Lots of conspiracy theories to had there. I suppose some of them are innocent too. That makes it hard.
Never heard of Kelly Spamm but the name sounds suss.
I think you’d have to give the benefit of the doubt to most of these people, that they did not realise the true nature or extent of the goings-on.
dv said:
I suppose some broader context is required. Like if someone has already been the subject of a lawsuit about specific child sex crimes, you’d be more curious of their association with child sex traffickers than you would, say, about Tom Hanks or Oprah Winfrey.
or Obama…
I mean we say in criminal psychology that criminals don’t crime all the time.. they also associate with people who are not criminals to some extent.. which is clear here…
sibeen said:
Kayne West is going to run for President
Elon Musk reckons it’s a damn fine idea and Kayne has his vote.
ROFL
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
Kayne West is going to run for President
Elon Musk reckons it’s a damn fine idea and Kayne has his vote.
ROFL
Wow, blatantly sucking up for the vice presidency gig
sibeen said:
Kayne West is going to run for President
Honestly, nothing about 2020 will surprise me anymore.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Kayne West is going to run for President
With Elon’s endorsement what could go wrong?
It might alienate the sibeen type voters.
Arts said:
dv said:
I suppose some broader context is required. Like if someone has already been the subject of a lawsuit about specific child sex crimes, you’d be more curious of their association with child sex traffickers than you would, say, about Tom Hanks or Oprah Winfrey.
or Obama…
I mean we say in criminal psychology that criminals don’t crime all the time.. they also associate with people who are not criminals to some extent.. which is clear here…
There’s still a conspiracy theory that Heather O’Rourke, the child actress from Poltergeist, really died from Stephen Spielberg raping her anally.
hopefully Maxwell will live long enough to testify
https://www.facebook.com/peter.rowney.77/videos/10158162505233381/?sk=h_chr
JudgeMental said:
https://www.facebook.com/peter.rowney.77/videos/10158162505233381/?sk=h_chr
I think he was just changing the topic suddenly. No one would think the victory in Vietnam was schwifty or scheepy
Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man
In this revelatory, authoritative portrait of Donald J. Trump and the toxic family that made him, Mary L. Trump, a trained clinical psychologist and Donald’s only niece, shines a bright light on the dark history of their family in order to explain how her uncle became the man who now threatens the world’s health, economic security, and social fabric.
https://www.amazon.com/Too-Much-Never-Enough-Dangerous/dp/1982141468
Pentagon chief confirms he was briefed on intelligence about Russian payments to the Taliban
(CNN)Secretary of Defense Mark Esper confirmed Thursday that he had been briefed on information regarding Russian payments to the Taliban, seemingly acknowledging that Russia’s support for the militant group in Afghanistan is not a “hoax,” as President Donald Trump has claimed. However, Esper also made clear that he has not seen intelligence that corroborates claims that American troops were killed as a result of the “bounty” payments, walking a delicate line between acknowledging a well-known threat and potentially clashing with the President.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/09/politics/esper-briefed-russian-payments-to-taliban/index.html
(CNN)President Donald Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen has been taken into custody for violating terms of his early release from prison, his attorney Jeffrey Levine told reporters Thursday afternoon.
Levine said Cohen had been ordered to appear at the federal court in downtown Manhattan to convert his furlough to home confinement but was detained after failing to agree to the terms of the federal location monitoring for the Southern District of New York. He was put in custody in a lower Manhattan correctional facility.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/09/politics/michael-cohen-in-custody/index.html
dv said:
Pentagon chief confirms he was briefed on intelligence about Russian payments to the Taliban(CNN)Secretary of Defense Mark Esper confirmed Thursday that he had been briefed on information regarding Russian payments to the Taliban, seemingly acknowledging that Russia’s support for the militant group in Afghanistan is not a “hoax,” as President Donald Trump has claimed. However, Esper also made clear that he has not seen intelligence that corroborates claims that American troops were killed as a result of the “bounty” payments, walking a delicate line between acknowledging a well-known threat and potentially clashing with the President.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/09/politics/esper-briefed-russian-payments-to-taliban/index.html
The Taliban got both guns and money from both the Russians and the disunited states.
You can do it Mr Donald Trump sir, great job so far can only get better
The-Spectator said:
You can do it Mr Donald Trump sir, great job so far can only get better
I take it that you buy popcorn in bulk?
roughbarked said:
The-Spectator said:
You can do it Mr Donald Trump sir, great job so far can only get better
I take it that you buy popcorn in bulk?
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
The-Spectator said:
You can do it Mr Donald Trump sir, great job so far can only get better
I take it that you buy popcorn in bulk?
corn palace bits up for sale
Commonly advertised as The World’s Only Corn Palace.
Pleasing news that Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch joined the others on the Supreme Court in deciding that “no citizen, not even the President, is above the common duty to produce evidence in a criminal proceeding”. This is contrary to the central plank of Trump’s legal team’s case. I ain’t no law-talking dude but commentators of various political stripes appear to be of the opinion that this sets a huge precedent on a matter that had previously been untested.
Pleasing news that Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch joined the others on the Supreme Court in deciding that “no citizen, not even the President, is above the common duty to produce evidence in a criminal proceeding”. This is contrary to the central plank of Trump’s legal team’s case. I ain’t no law-talking dude but commentators of various political stripes appear to be of the opinion that this sets a huge precedent on a matter that had previously been untested.
dv said:
Pleasing news that Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch joined the others on the Supreme Court in deciding that “no citizen, not even the President, is above the common duty to produce evidence in a criminal proceeding”. This is contrary to the central plank of Trump’s legal team’s case. I ain’t no law-talking dude but commentators of various political stripes appear to be of the opinion that this sets a huge precedent on a matter that had previously been untested.
According to a journo on News Radio, the matter will not be heard before the election.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Pleasing news that Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch joined the others on the Supreme Court in deciding that “no citizen, not even the President, is above the common duty to produce evidence in a criminal proceeding”. This is contrary to the central plank of Trump’s legal team’s case. I ain’t no law-talking dude but commentators of various political stripes appear to be of the opinion that this sets a huge precedent on a matter that had previously been untested.
According to a journo on News Radio, the matter will not be heard before the election.
This particular matter has been heard and ruled on by the Supreme court already.
Perhaps what the journo meant was that the adjacent case that the subpoenas applied to has been sent back to a lower court: their ruling will probably be appealed and come back up to the SC.
But the general decision about whether Presidents are required to provide subpoenaed evidence is locked in.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Pleasing news that Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch joined the others on the Supreme Court in deciding that “no citizen, not even the President, is above the common duty to produce evidence in a criminal proceeding”. This is contrary to the central plank of Trump’s legal team’s case. I ain’t no law-talking dude but commentators of various political stripes appear to be of the opinion that this sets a huge precedent on a matter that had previously been untested.
According to a journo on News Radio, the matter will not be heard before the election.
This particular matter has been heard and ruled on by the Supreme court already.
Perhaps what the journo meant was that the adjacent case that the subpoenas applied to has been sent back to a lower court: their ruling will probably be appealed and come back up to the SC.
But the general decision about whether Presidents are required to provide subpoenaed evidence is locked in.
And he went on to say the documents will not be in the public domain, only viewed by the judges.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:According to a journo on News Radio, the matter will not be heard before the election.
This particular matter has been heard and ruled on by the Supreme court already.
Perhaps what the journo meant was that the adjacent case that the subpoenas applied to has been sent back to a lower court: their ruling will probably be appealed and come back up to the SC.
But the general decision about whether Presidents are required to provide subpoenaed evidence is locked in.
And he went on to say the documents will not be in the public domain, only viewed by the judges.
Yep!
Rule 303 said:
This assault on Tronald Dump is claimed to be the work of Tommy Lee, drummer for Mötley Crüe:“An Open Letter to the president”
From the Drummer of Mötley Crüe, Tommy LeeDear Fucking Lunatic,
At your recent press conference – more a word salad that had a stroke and fell down stairs, you were CLEARLY so out of your depth you needed scuba gear. Within minutes of going off air your minions were backpedaling faster than Cirque De Soliel acrobats… In India a week ago, i couldn’t get past the bit about your being the most popular visitor in the history of fucking india — a country of a BILLION human souls that’s only 3000 years old, give or take.!!! Trust me – Gandhi pulled CROWDS.. You pulled a cricket stadium and half WALKED out…
Do you know how fucking insane you sound, you off-brand butt plug? That’s like the geopolitical equivalent of “that stripper really likes me” — only 10,000 times crazier and less self aware.
You are fucking exhausting. Every day is a natural experiment in determining how long 300 million people can resist coring out their own assholes with an ice auger. Every time I hear a snippet of your Queens-tinged banshee larynx farts, I want to scream!
We are fucking tired. As bad as we all thought your presidency would be when Putin got you elected, it’s been inestimably worse.
You called a hostile, nuclear-armed head of state “short and fat.” How the fuck does that help?You accused a woman — a former friend, no less — of showing up at your resort bleeding from the face and begging to get in. You, you, YOU — the guy who looks like a Christmas haggis inexplicably brought to life by Frosty’s magic hat — yes, you of all people said that.
You attempted — with evident fucking glee — to get 24 million people thrown off their health insurance.You gave billions away to corporations and the already wealthy while simultaneously telling struggling poor people that you were doing exactly the opposite.
You endorsed a pedophile, praised brutal dictators, and defended LITERAL FUCKING NAZIS!Ninety-nine percent of everything you say is either false, crazy, incoherent, just plain cruel, or a rancid paella of all four.
Oh, by the way, Puerto Rico is still FUBAR. You got yourself and your family billions in tax breaks for Christmas. What do they get? More paper towels?Enough, enough, enough, enough! For the love of God and all that is holy, good, and pure, would you please, finally and forever, shut your feculent KFC-hole until you have something valuable — or even marginally civil — to say?
You are a fried dick sandwich with a side of schlongs. If chlamydia and gonorrhea had a son, you’d appoint him HHS secretary. You are a disgraceful, pustulant hot stew full of casuistry, godawful ideas, unintelligible non sequiturs, and malignant rage.You are the perfect circus orangutan diaper from Plato’s World of Forms.
So fuck you Mr. President. And fuck you forever.Oh, and Pence, you oleaginous house ferret. Fuck you, too. You’ll be as useful as a chocolate teapot against a medical crisis you Bible thumping cock socket.”
ROFLMAO
(Snipped from the COVID-19 thread.)
In a phone interview with Fox News Sean Hannity, Trump has criticised the IRS, suggesting that they reneged on a deal made prior to the 2016 election: “I’m under tax audit, I have been for a long time, we made the deal a long time ago, and once I ran for politics, that deal was like a, we didn’t make it, it’s a dishrace what happened, we had the deal done! In fact it was I guess it was signed even, and once I ran or once I won, or somewhere back a long time ago, everything was like well let’s start all over again.”
He also slammed yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, saying, “You know what’s going on in New York. Everyone’s leaving. It’s turned out to be a hellhole, and they better do something about it because people are leaving New York. But this is a political witch hunt that just continues.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/506632-trump-calls-new-york-city-hellhole-after-court-upholds-subpoena-from
https://youtu.be/1df-skor3UQ
dv said:
In a phone interview with Fox News Sean Hannity, Trump has criticised the IRS, suggesting that they reneged on a deal made prior to the 2016 election: “I’m under tax audit, I have been for a long time, we made the deal a long time ago, and once I ran for politics, that deal was like a, we didn’t make it, it’s a dishrace what happened, we had the deal done! In fact it was I guess it was signed even, and once I ran or once I won, or somewhere back a long time ago, everything was like well let’s start all over again.”He also slammed yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, saying, “You know what’s going on in New York. Everyone’s leaving. It’s turned out to be a hellhole, and they better do something about it because people are leaving New York. But this is a political witch hunt that just continues.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/506632-trump-calls-new-york-city-hellhole-after-court-upholds-subpoena-from
https://youtu.be/1df-skor3UQ
It’s like Grandpa Simpson in ‘ramble’ mode, but less coherent.
dv said:
In a phone interview with Fox News Sean Hannity, Trump has criticised the IRS, suggesting that they reneged on a deal made prior to the 2016 election: “I’m under tax audit, I have been for a long time, we made the deal a long time ago, and once I ran for politics, that deal was like a, we didn’t make it, it’s a dishrace what happened, we had the deal done! In fact it was I guess it was signed even, and once I ran or once I won, or somewhere back a long time ago, everything was like well let’s start all over again.”He also slammed yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling, saying, “You know what’s going on in New York. Everyone’s leaving. It’s turned out to be a hellhole, and they better do something about it because people are leaving New York. But this is a political witch hunt that just continues.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/506632-trump-calls-new-york-city-hellhole-after-court-upholds-subpoena-from
https://youtu.be/1df-skor3UQ
Should we offer extended visas to any New Yorkers looking for a new home?

captain_spalding said:
Daftness abounds under Trump hats?
Donald Trump commutes prison sentence of long-time adviser Roger Stone
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/donald-trump-commutes-long-time-adviser-roger-stone-sentence/12445732
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Most Dangerous Phase of Trump’s RuleHis threat to democracy is nothing to laugh at.
more…
Yes.
I’ve come to the conclusion recently that democracy, human rights and the rule of law matter more than capitalism and free markets. That the cold war is not over just because some nations have abandoned centralised economic planning and turned to the market instead. The market is a side-show issue.
US President Donald Trump has commuted the prison sentence for long-time friend and adviser Roger Stone, who was jailed for lying to Congress during the Russia probe, the White House says.
Key points:
“Roger Stone has already suffered greatly,” the White House said in a statement.
“He was treated very unfairly, as were many others in this case. Roger Stone is now a free man.”
Stone, 67, was scheduled to report by Tuesday to a federal prison in Jesup, Georgia, to begin serving a sentence of three years and four months for lying under oath to US politicians investigating Russian interference in the 2016 US election.
The veteran Republican political operative’s friendship with Mr Trump dates back decades.
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany called Stone a “victim of the Russia hoax” she said was perpetrated by “the left and its allies in the media”.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/donald-trump-commutes-long-time-adviser-roger-stone-sentence/12445732
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/07/08/famous-presidential-pardons-in-history-orig-jk.cnn
A run down of some of the most scandalous Presidential pardons
Michael V said:
US President Donald Trump has commuted the prison sentence for long-time friend and adviser Roger Stone, who was jailed for lying to Congress during the Russia probe, the White House says.Key points:
- Roger Stone had been due to report to prison next week for lying to Congress
- A commutation does not erase a criminal conviction, but it does save him from serving prison time
- Democrats have accused Donald Trump of undermining rule of law by publicly complaining about cases against his associates
“Roger Stone has already suffered greatly,” the White House said in a statement.
“He was treated very unfairly, as were many others in this case. Roger Stone is now a free man.”
Stone, 67, was scheduled to report by Tuesday to a federal prison in Jesup, Georgia, to begin serving a sentence of three years and four months for lying under oath to US politicians investigating Russian interference in the 2016 US election.
The veteran Republican political operative’s friendship with Mr Trump dates back decades.
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany called Stone a “victim of the Russia hoax” she said was perpetrated by “the left and its allies in the media”.
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/donald-trump-commutes-long-time-adviser-roger-stone-sentence/12445732
Just read that. I think the people at JustIn chose the most smug photo they could find of the man.
Michael V said:
US President Donald Trump has commuted the prison sentence for long-time friend and adviser Roger Stone, who was jailed for lying to Congress during the Russia probe, the White House says.Key points:
- Roger Stone had been due to report to prison next week for lying to Congress
- A commutation does not erase a criminal conviction, but it does save him from serving prison time
- Democrats have accused Donald Trump of undermining rule of law by publicly complaining about cases against his associates
“Roger Stone has already suffered greatly,” the White House said in a statement.
“He was treated very unfairly, as were many others in this case. Roger Stone is now a free man.”
Stone, 67, was scheduled to report by Tuesday to a federal prison in Jesup, Georgia, to begin serving a sentence of three years and four months for lying under oath to US politicians investigating Russian interference in the 2016 US election.
The veteran Republican political operative’s friendship with Mr Trump dates back decades.
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany called Stone a “victim of the Russia hoax” she said was perpetrated by “the left and its allies in the media”.
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/donald-trump-commutes-long-time-adviser-roger-stone-sentence/12445732
Roger that
Ian said:
Michael V said:
US President Donald Trump has commuted the prison sentence for long-time friend and adviser Roger Stone, who was jailed for lying to Congress during the Russia probe, the White House says.Key points:
- Roger Stone had been due to report to prison next week for lying to Congress
- A commutation does not erase a criminal conviction, but it does save him from serving prison time
- Democrats have accused Donald Trump of undermining rule of law by publicly complaining about cases against his associates
“Roger Stone has already suffered greatly,” the White House said in a statement.
“He was treated very unfairly, as were many others in this case. Roger Stone is now a free man.”
Stone, 67, was scheduled to report by Tuesday to a federal prison in Jesup, Georgia, to begin serving a sentence of three years and four months for lying under oath to US politicians investigating Russian interference in the 2016 US election.
The veteran Republican political operative’s friendship with Mr Trump dates back decades.
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany called Stone a “victim of the Russia hoax” she said was perpetrated by “the left and its allies in the media”.
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/donald-trump-commutes-long-time-adviser-roger-stone-sentence/12445732
Roger that
LOL
buffy said:
Michael V said:
US President Donald Trump has commuted the prison sentence for long-time friend and adviser Roger Stone, who was jailed for lying to Congress during the Russia probe, the White House says.Key points:
- Roger Stone had been due to report to prison next week for lying to Congress
- A commutation does not erase a criminal conviction, but it does save him from serving prison time
- Democrats have accused Donald Trump of undermining rule of law by publicly complaining about cases against his associates
“Roger Stone has already suffered greatly,” the White House said in a statement.
“He was treated very unfairly, as were many others in this case. Roger Stone is now a free man.”
Stone, 67, was scheduled to report by Tuesday to a federal prison in Jesup, Georgia, to begin serving a sentence of three years and four months for lying under oath to US politicians investigating Russian interference in the 2016 US election.
The veteran Republican political operative’s friendship with Mr Trump dates back decades.
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany called Stone a “victim of the Russia hoax” she said was perpetrated by “the left and its allies in the media”.
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/donald-trump-commutes-long-time-adviser-roger-stone-sentence/12445732
Just read that. I think the people at JustIn chose the most smug photo they could find of the man.
There are smugger photos of Stone.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
US President Donald Trump has commuted the prison sentence for long-time friend and adviser Roger Stone, who was jailed for lying to Congress during the Russia probe, the White House says.Key points:
- Roger Stone had been due to report to prison next week for lying to Congress
- A commutation does not erase a criminal conviction, but it does save him from serving prison time
- Democrats have accused Donald Trump of undermining rule of law by publicly complaining about cases against his associates
“Roger Stone has already suffered greatly,” the White House said in a statement.
“He was treated very unfairly, as were many others in this case. Roger Stone is now a free man.”
Stone, 67, was scheduled to report by Tuesday to a federal prison in Jesup, Georgia, to begin serving a sentence of three years and four months for lying under oath to US politicians investigating Russian interference in the 2016 US election.
The veteran Republican political operative’s friendship with Mr Trump dates back decades.
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany called Stone a “victim of the Russia hoax” she said was perpetrated by “the left and its allies in the media”.
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/donald-trump-commutes-long-time-adviser-roger-stone-sentence/12445732
Just read that. I think the people at JustIn chose the most smug photo they could find of the man.
I reckon it would be hard to find a pic of any of Trump’s cronies where they didn’t look smug.
This young Turks about Trump and Dr Fauci is worth the listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqzT_ib4xXk
Mueller defends Stone prosecution and says ‘his conviction stands’ in Washington Post op-ed
(CNN)Former special counsel Robert Mueller, in a very rare move, has written an op-ed for The Washington Post defending his office’s prosecution of Roger Stone and saying he is still a convicted felon and “rightly so” in light of President Donald Trump’s commutation of Stone.
“The jury ultimately convicted Stone of obstruction of a congressional investigation, five counts of making false statements to Congress and tampering with a witness. Because his sentence has been commuted, he will not go to prison. But his conviction stands.”
Trump on Friday commuted the prison sentence of his longtime friend, who was convicted of crimes that included lying to Congress in part, prosecutors said, to protect the President. The announcement came just days before Stone was set to report to a federal prison in Georgia.
Stone was convicted in November of seven charges — including lying to Congress, witness tampering and obstructing a congressional committee proceeding — as part of Mueller’s Russia investigation. Among the things he misled Congress about were his communications with Trump campaign officials — communications that prosecutors said Stone hid out of his desire to protect Trump.
“Russian efforts to interfere in our political system, and the essential question of whether those efforts involved the Trump campaign, required investigation. In that investigation, it was critical for us (and, before us, the FBI) to obtain full and accurate information. Likewise, it was critical for Congress to obtain accurate information from its witnesses. When a subject lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of the government’s efforts to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable. It may ultimately impede those efforts,” Mueller said in the op-ed
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/robert-mueller-defends-roger-stone-prosecution/index.html
I think Roger is Patsy’s brother, they’re a terrible family.
Too Much and Never Enough review: Mary Trump thumps Donald
The president’s niece follows John Bolton’s right hook with a sharp left to the ribs. Revenge Trump-style is grimly engrossing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/12/too-much-and-never-enough-review-mary-trump-donald
Bubblecar said:
Too Much and Never Enough review: Mary Trump thumps DonaldThe president’s niece follows John Bolton’s right hook with a sharp left to the ribs. Revenge Trump-style is grimly engrossing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/12/too-much-and-never-enough-review-mary-trump-donald
Goodness me.
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
Too Much and Never Enough review: Mary Trump thumps DonaldThe president’s niece follows John Bolton’s right hook with a sharp left to the ribs. Revenge Trump-style is grimly engrossing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/12/too-much-and-never-enough-review-mary-trump-donald
Goodness me.
I’ll admit I’m completely meh about this. How much does anyone really know about their uncle?
sibeen said:
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
Too Much and Never Enough review: Mary Trump thumps DonaldThe president’s niece follows John Bolton’s right hook with a sharp left to the ribs. Revenge Trump-style is grimly engrossing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/12/too-much-and-never-enough-review-mary-trump-donald
Goodness me.
I’ll admit I’m completely meh about this. How much does anyone really know about their uncle?
I recall wicked uncle Ernie.
Down with the bedclothes
Up with your nightshirt
Fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about
sibeen said:
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
Too Much and Never Enough review: Mary Trump thumps DonaldThe president’s niece follows John Bolton’s right hook with a sharp left to the ribs. Revenge Trump-style is grimly engrossing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/12/too-much-and-never-enough-review-mary-trump-donald
Goodness me.
I’ll admit I’m completely meh about this. How much does anyone really know about their uncle?
It varies a good deal, I’d say.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
Too Much and Never Enough review: Mary Trump thumps DonaldThe president’s niece follows John Bolton’s right hook with a sharp left to the ribs. Revenge Trump-style is grimly engrossing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/12/too-much-and-never-enough-review-mary-trump-donald
Goodness me.
I’ll admit I’m completely meh about this. How much does anyone really know about their uncle?
I guess it depends how much your family gossip.
Like for example, I know that my “aunt and uncle” (mum’s parents’ friends) went to the US every year because the uncle was crippled with arthritis and couldn’t um, perform. The aunt liked black men so…
Aunt was a raging alcoholic, uncle was a perv (he said some viciously inappropriate things to mum’s sister). Apparently it wasn’t a secret that the aunt liked black cock 🤷♀️
But they’re both dead now, so I can say anything I want about them. Kinda different when the person is still alive and POTUS…
Reading the summaries there’s nothing much that would shock anyone. Trump engaged in massive tax fraud? Fetch my smelling salts, Jeeves. He hired someone to take his SATs? Yeah sounds about right.
The fact that Mary Trump is a clinical psychologist I suppose does add a bit of technical detail to what we already knew.
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump considered the idea of selling Puerto Rico in 2017 after the island was devastated by Hurricane Maria, the former acting Homeland Security secretary told The New York Times in an interview published Friday.
“The President’s initial ideas were more of as a businessman, you know,” Elaine Duke, who was serving as DHS’ acting secretary when the hurricane hit the island in September 2017, told the Times.
“‘Can we outsource the electricity? Can we can we sell the island? You know, or divest of that asset?’” Trump reportedly said, according to Duke in the newspaper interview. “
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/12/politics/trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria/index.html
dv said:
“‘Can we outsource the electricity? Can we can we sell the island? You know, or divest of that asset?’” Trump reportedly said, according to Duke in the newspaper interview. “
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/12/politics/trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria/index.html
I imagine that, by ‘divest of’ he means ‘abandon’.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:“‘Can we outsource the electricity? Can we can we sell the island? You know, or divest of that asset?’” Trump reportedly said, according to Duke in the newspaper interview. “
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/12/politics/trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria/index.html
I imagine that, by ‘divest of’ he means ‘abandon’.
Interesting thought is who would want to buy PR? China, Russia…?
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:“‘Can we outsource the electricity? Can we can we sell the island? You know, or divest of that asset?’” Trump reportedly said, according to Duke in the newspaper interview. “
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/12/politics/trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria/index.html
I imagine that, by ‘divest of’ he means ‘abandon’.
Interesting thought is who would want to buy PR? China, Russia…?
If the price is right.
Maybe Cuba could use another flank.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:“‘Can we outsource the electricity? Can we can we sell the island? You know, or divest of that asset?’” Trump reportedly said, according to Duke in the newspaper interview. “
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/12/politics/trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria/index.html
I imagine that, by ‘divest of’ he means ‘abandon’.
yeah he sees large part of what government does to be a liability, so’s quite ‘liberal’ that way, meaning tortures government, the institutions, the job, tortures democracy
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:“‘Can we outsource the electricity? Can we can we sell the island? You know, or divest of that asset?’” Trump reportedly said, according to Duke in the newspaper interview. “
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/12/politics/trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria/index.html
I imagine that, by ‘divest of’ he means ‘abandon’.
Interesting thought is who would want to buy PR? China, Russia…?
If Russia bought it, and it became part of Russia, then we could go right back to the early Sixties – but, i don’t think the US could stop the missiles being installed this time around.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:I imagine that, by ‘divest of’ he means ‘abandon’.
Interesting thought is who would want to buy PR? China, Russia…?
If Russia bought it, and it became part of Russia, then we could go right back to the early Sixties – but, i don’t think the US could stop the missiles being installed this time around.
Yeah, that’s what I mean. It would be so much better to just look after the place and help them rebuild. Economics doesn’t take into account security. This is why I don’t think businessmen make good governors.
party_pants said:
Yeah, that’s what I mean. It would be so much better to just look after the place and help them rebuild. Economics doesn’t take into account security. This is why I don’t think businessmen make good governors.
A lot of businessmen don’t even make good businessmen.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:Yeah, that’s what I mean. It would be so much better to just look after the place and help them rebuild. Economics doesn’t take into account security. This is why I don’t think businessmen make good governors.
A lot of businessmen don’t even make good businessmen.
true :)
captain_spalding said:
dv said:“‘Can we outsource the electricity? Can we can we sell the island? You know, or divest of that asset?’” Trump reportedly said, according to Duke in the newspaper interview. “
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/12/politics/trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria/index.html
I imagine that, by ‘divest of’ he means ‘abandon’.
Which he did…
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:“‘Can we outsource the electricity? Can we can we sell the island? You know, or divest of that asset?’” Trump reportedly said, according to Duke in the newspaper interview. “
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/12/politics/trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria/index.html
I imagine that, by ‘divest of’ he means ‘abandon’.
Which he did…
*throws toilet paper…
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:Interesting thought is who would want to buy PR? China, Russia…?
If Russia bought it, and it became part of Russia, then we could go right back to the early Sixties – but, i don’t think the US could stop the missiles being installed this time around.
Yeah, that’s what I mean. It would be so much better to just look after the place and help them rebuild. Economics doesn’t take into account security. This is why I don’t think businessmen make good governors.
I think he’s been just as successful as President as he was as a businessman…
Still doing a fantastic job sir, ignore these “people”
I mean if they want to divest of the biggest net recipients of Federal funds…
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2019/03/20/how-much-federal-funding-each-state-receives-government/39202299/
The release date hasn’t been confirmed but I’d get ready to pre-order.
sibeen said:
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The release date hasn’t been confirmed but I’d get ready to pre-order.
I wonder which particular Democrat is the problem? And yes it was ‘The Guardian’ who tipped me off about the errant apostrophe. I suppose when you self publish you get any old fool to do the proof-reading.
sibeen said:
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The release date hasn’t been confirmed but I’d get ready to pre-order.
Never mind the ‘
Donald Trump Jr, is the #1 NYT best selling author?
Really?
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
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The release date hasn’t been confirmed but I’d get ready to pre-order.
Never mind the ‘
Donald Trump Jr, is the #1 NYT best selling author?
Really?
TBH it’s not hard to be NYT “bestselling” author. The numbers are usually the product of “creative accounting”. Being a Trump though, I’m not putting it past him to buy thousands of copies himself…
*Books that appear on the list are usually ordered in bulk, which can be translated as sales. And books that don’t appear on the list can and have outsold books at the top of the list. Ever heard of a song/album that goes platinum? It’s not actual sales, rather the number of copies shipped to distributors. Books are the same deal, although the NYT says their exact method is a trade secret so people can’t rig the system. Incidentally, if I top a category on Amazon from selling copies of my ebook on global Amazon platforms, I can call myself an International Bestselling Author 😛
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times_Best_Seller_list
Divine Angel said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
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The release date hasn’t been confirmed but I’d get ready to pre-order.
Never mind the ‘
Donald Trump Jr, is the #1 NYT best selling author?
Really?
TBH it’s not hard to be NYT “bestselling” author. The numbers are usually the product of “creative accounting”. Being a Trump though, I’m not putting it past him to buy thousands of copies himself…
*Books that appear on the list are usually ordered in bulk, which can be translated as sales. And books that don’t appear on the list can and have outsold books at the top of the list. Ever heard of a song/album that goes platinum? It’s not actual sales, rather the number of copies shipped to distributors. Books are the same deal, although the NYT says their exact method is a trade secret so people can’t rig the system. Incidentally, if I top a category on Amazon from selling copies of my ebook on global Amazon platforms, I can call myself an International Bestselling Author 😛
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times_Best_Seller_list
Have you got an ebook out there?
In Kentucky, Trump’s polling figures have actually gotten better since mid May. Up by 0.6% over Biden.
sibeen said:
In Kentucky, Trump’s polling figures have actually gotten better since mid May. Up by 0.6% over Biden.
Ooops, to be clear Trump is actually up by 17.2%, the increase was 0.6%.
escalation of commitment, a beautiful thing
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
In Kentucky, Trump’s polling figures have actually gotten better since mid May. Up by 0.6% over Biden.Ooops, to be clear Trump is actually up by 17.2%, the increase was 0.6%.
So going up b 17.2% is an increase of 0.6%?
….. OK.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
In Kentucky, Trump’s polling figures have actually gotten better since mid May. Up by 0.6% over Biden.Ooops, to be clear Trump is actually up by 17.2%, the increase was 0.6%.
So going up b 17.2% is an increase of 0.6%?
….. OK.
No, no, no, no.
stamps foot
In mid May he was up by 16.6%. He is now up by 17.2%.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:Ooops, to be clear Trump is actually up by 17.2%, the increase was 0.6%.
So going up b 17.2% is an increase of 0.6%?
….. OK.
No, no, no, no.
stamps foot
In mid May he was up by 16.6%. He is now up by 17.2%.
Go Mr President you can do it
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:Ooops, to be clear Trump is actually up by 17.2%, the increase was 0.6%.
So going up b 17.2% is an increase of 0.6%?
….. OK.
No, no, no, no.
stamps foot
In mid May he was up by 16.6%. He is now up by 17.2%.
Ah, OK, so he’s up by 3.5%.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:Ooops, to be clear Trump is actually up by 17.2%, the increase was 0.6%.
So going up b 17.2% is an increase of 0.6%?
….. OK.
No, no, no, no.
stamps foot
In mid May he was up by 16.6%. He is now up by 17.2%.
So like 33.8% altogether?
33.8%…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/trump-and-fauci-at-odds-over-coronavirus-covid-19-response/12451962
furious said:
- So like 33.8% altogether?
33.8%…
Thanks for the correction.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So going up b 17.2% is an increase of 0.6%?
….. OK.
No, no, no, no.
stamps foot
In mid May he was up by 16.6%. He is now up by 17.2%.
Ah, OK, so he’s up by 3.5%.
Yes, yes, that’s it.
wanders off
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:No, no, no, no.
stamps foot
In mid May he was up by 16.6%. He is now up by 17.2%.
Ah, OK, so he’s up by 3.5%.
Yes, yes, that’s it.
wanders off
I’m glad we sorted that out.
In fairness though a 0.6% increase would be within the uncertainty of the polls.

dv said:
furious said:
- So like 33.8% altogether?
33.8%…
Thanks for the correction.
It wasnt a correction. Nederland, it doesn’t quite have the same effect in a text based forum…
ChrispenEvan said:
Crusade…
Well chosen word.
furious said:
Nederland? Nevermind…
dv said:
furious said:
- So like 33.8% altogether?
33.8%…
Thanks for the correction.
It wasnt a correction. Nederland, it doesn’t quite have the same effect in a text based forum…
furious said:
dv said:
furious said:
- So like 33.8% altogether?
33.8%…
Thanks for the correction.
It wasnt a correction. Nederland, it doesn’t quite have the same effect in a text based forum…
The good news is I have no idea what you’re on about.
dv said:
furious said:
dv said:Thanks for the correction.
It wasnt a correction. Nederland, it doesn’t quite have the same effect in a text based forum…
The good news is I have no idea what you’re on about.
Excellent…
furious said:
dv said:
furious said:It wasnt a correction. Nederland, it doesn’t quite have the same effect in a text based forum…
The good news is I have no idea what you’re on about.
Excellent…

dv said:
In fairness though a 0.6% increase would be within the uncertainty of the polls.
Granted, but by all that is holy surely you’d expect at least a 5 point fall.
sibeen said:
dv said:
In fairness though a 0.6% increase would be within the uncertainty of the polls.Granted, but by all that is holy surely you’d expect at least a 5 point fall.
I guess.
In 50 states it is not surprising that there’s one that is bucking the trend.

captain_spalding said:
Also, remember what the NSW Police said when DJT applied for a casino licence:
“Briefly stated, the Police Board considers that HKMS, Federal/Resorts/Sabemo, Kern/Trump, are unacceptable. Atlantic City would be a dubious model for Sydney and in our judgment, the Trump mafia connections should exclude the Kern/Trump consortium.”
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Also, remember what the NSW Police said when DJT applied for a casino licence:
“Briefly stated, the Police Board considers that HKMS, Federal/Resorts/Sabemo, Kern/Trump, are unacceptable. Atlantic City would be a dubious model for Sydney and in our judgment, the Trump mafia connections should exclude the Kern/Trump consortium.”
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Also, remember what the NSW Police said when DJT applied for a casino licence:
“Briefly stated, the Police Board considers that HKMS, Federal/Resorts/Sabemo, Kern/Trump, are unacceptable. Atlantic City would be a dubious model for Sydney and in our judgment, the Trump mafia connections should exclude the Kern/Trump consortium.”
I wonder why the Federal group were unacceptable.
https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cabinet-minutes-trump-casino-bid.pdf

dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:Also, remember what the NSW Police said when DJT applied for a casino licence:
“Briefly stated, the Police Board considers that HKMS, Federal/Resorts/Sabemo, Kern/Trump, are unacceptable. Atlantic City would be a dubious model for Sydney and in our judgment, the Trump mafia connections should exclude the Kern/Trump consortium.”
I wonder why the Federal group were unacceptable.
https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cabinet-minutes-trump-casino-bid.pdf
hmm. ta.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:Also, remember what the NSW Police said when DJT applied for a casino licence:
“Briefly stated, the Police Board considers that HKMS, Federal/Resorts/Sabemo, Kern/Trump, are unacceptable. Atlantic City would be a dubious model for Sydney and in our judgment, the Trump mafia connections should exclude the Kern/Trump consortium.”
I wonder why the Federal group were unacceptable.
https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cabinet-minutes-trump-casino-bid.pdf
Somebody paid them to write that.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:I wonder why the Federal group were unacceptable.
https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cabinet-minutes-trump-casino-bid.pdf
Somebody paid them to write that.
Well yes I’m sure the officers involved received their due remuneration while assigned to those duties.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cabinet-minutes-trump-casino-bid.pdf
Somebody paid them to write that.
Well yes I’m sure the officers involved received their due remuneration while assigned to those duties.
As they should as diligent public servants.
I suppose I have to hand it to News Corp for digging that, rabid leftwing anti-Trumpers that they are.
dv said:
I suppose I have to hand it to News Corp for digging that, rabid leftwing anti-Trumpers that they are.
Surprised that Rupert didn’t terminate them.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:Also, remember what the NSW Police said when DJT applied for a casino licence:
“Briefly stated, the Police Board considers that HKMS, Federal/Resorts/Sabemo, Kern/Trump, are unacceptable. Atlantic City would be a dubious model for Sydney and in our judgment, the Trump mafia connections should exclude the Kern/Trump consortium.”
I wonder why the Federal group were unacceptable.
https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cabinet-minutes-trump-casino-bid.pdf
Why does the copy look like it was written on the 1950s typewriter?
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:I wonder why the Federal group were unacceptable.
https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cabinet-minutes-trump-casino-bid.pdf
Why does the copy look like it was written on the 1950s typewriter?
So do Kerr’s 1970s “palace letters”.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:I wonder why the Federal group were unacceptable.
https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cabinet-minutes-trump-casino-bid.pdf
Why does the copy look like it was written on the 1950s typewriter?
It might have been. Written in the mid 1980s it is conceivable that they still had a typing pool where 20 or 30 year old machines were still in service.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cabinet-minutes-trump-casino-bid.pdf
Why does the copy look like it was written on the 1950s typewriter?
It might have been. Written in the mid 1980s it is conceivable that they still had a typing pool where 20 or 30 year old machines were still in service.
I was thinking it was from the 1990s.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Why does the copy look like it was written on the 1950s typewriter?
It might have been. Written in the mid 1980s it is conceivable that they still had a typing pool where 20 or 30 year old machines were still in service.
I was thinking it was from the 1990s.
When I joined the bank in 1998, they had only switched to electronic printing in about 1995. Before that they used typewriters. Some people my age that I worked with started at the bank as typists.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:I wonder why the Federal group were unacceptable.
https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cabinet-minutes-trump-casino-bid.pdf
Why does the copy look like it was written on the 1950s typewriter?
Maybe it was
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cabinet-minutes-trump-casino-bid.pdf
Why does the copy look like it was written on the 1950s typewriter?
It might have been. Written in the mid 1980s it is conceivable that they still had a typing pool where 20 or 30 year old machines were still in service.
Golf ball typewriters increasingly common from mid 70s and still hanging around in the mid 80s
It must be pretty hard to find a non-corrupt entity to run a casino.
The Darling Harbour Hotel/Casino (now called Star City) was ultimately awarded to Leighton.
“In October 2013 Fairfax Media alleged that Leighton Holdings had made corrupt payments to Hussain al-Shahristani, Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq, to secure an oil pipeline contract in Iraq and other contracts. Basil Al Jarah, the Iraq country manager for Unaoil, a Monaco-based company allegedly acting for Leighton Holdings, subsequently pleaded guilty to corruption.”
dv said:
It must be pretty hard to find a non-corrupt entity to run a casino.The Darling Harbour Hotel/Casino (now called Star City) was ultimately awarded to Leighton.
“In October 2013 Fairfax Media alleged that Leighton Holdings had made corrupt payments to Hussain al-Shahristani, Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq, to secure an oil pipeline contract in Iraq and other contracts. Basil Al Jarah, the Iraq country manager for Unaoil, a Monaco-based company allegedly acting for Leighton Holdings, subsequently pleaded guilty to corruption.”
My current working hypothesis is that casinos are primarily a means for money laundering. Fleecing ordinary punters of their hard-earned is a lucrative but secondary purpose.
party_pants said:
dv said:
It must be pretty hard to find a non-corrupt entity to run a casino.The Darling Harbour Hotel/Casino (now called Star City) was ultimately awarded to Leighton.
“In October 2013 Fairfax Media alleged that Leighton Holdings had made corrupt payments to Hussain al-Shahristani, Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq, to secure an oil pipeline contract in Iraq and other contracts. Basil Al Jarah, the Iraq country manager for Unaoil, a Monaco-based company allegedly acting for Leighton Holdings, subsequently pleaded guilty to corruption.”
My current working hypothesis is that casinos are primarily a means for money laundering. Fleecing ordinary punters of their hard-earned is a lucrative but secondary purpose.
Seems weird but you’re probably right. “We’re making tens of millions of dollars for providing nothing … surely we can make more money than that.”
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
It must be pretty hard to find a non-corrupt entity to run a casino.The Darling Harbour Hotel/Casino (now called Star City) was ultimately awarded to Leighton.
“In October 2013 Fairfax Media alleged that Leighton Holdings had made corrupt payments to Hussain al-Shahristani, Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq, to secure an oil pipeline contract in Iraq and other contracts. Basil Al Jarah, the Iraq country manager for Unaoil, a Monaco-based company allegedly acting for Leighton Holdings, subsequently pleaded guilty to corruption.”
My current working hypothesis is that casinos are primarily a means for money laundering. Fleecing ordinary punters of their hard-earned is a lucrative but secondary purpose.
Seems weird but you’re probably right. “We’re making tens of millions of dollars for providing nothing … surely we can make more money than that.”
I’ve been hanging around this forum too long and gotten too cynical :\
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party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:My current working hypothesis is that casinos are primarily a means for money laundering. Fleecing ordinary punters of their hard-earned is a lucrative but secondary purpose.
Seems weird but you’re probably right. “We’re making tens of millions of dollars for providing nothing … surely we can make more money than that.”
I’ve been hanging around this forum too long and gotten too cynical :\
don’t worry our AFP are being used for many important investigations in corruption for our politicians these days
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cabinet-minutes-trump-casino-bid.pdf
Why does the copy look like it was written on the 1950s typewriter?
It might have been. Written in the mid 1980s it is conceivable that they still had a typing pool where 20 or 30 year old machines were still in service.
When I finished with the NSW Police Department in 1986, I still had a manual typewriter The only electric typewriters in the Department were on the upper floors of Head Office in Sydney, where the “higher echelons” were stationed.
Buckle up … there’s a bit of news this morning.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-louis-prosecutor-investigating-couple-who-pointed-guns-says-trump-governor-came-after-her/
St. Louis prosecutor investigating couple who pointed guns at protesters says Trump, governor “came after” her
St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner said late Tuesday that Missouri’s governor and President Donald Trump “came after” her for investigating a couple who displayed guns as they defended their home during a racial injustice protest. Gardner made the comment after Missouri Gov. Mike Parson said the president told him he was concerned about the possibility that the couple could face criminal charges.
Parson told reporters Tuesday that he had just been on the phone with Mr. Trump and U.S. Attorney General William Barr. The phone call came amid reports that Gardner, a Democrat, may file charges against Mark and Patricia McCloskey, both of them lawyers in their 60s. The couple wielded guns on June 28 as protesters marched by their Renaissance palazzo-style mansion on the way to the home of St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson.
Parson said he told Mr. Trump that it’s difficult to remove an elected official from office in Missouri, though he didn’t say if Mr. Trump had asked if Gardner could be removed.
“I think the president didn’t like what he was seeing, and the way people are being treated,” Parson said. “I think you’ll see some sort of actions.”
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html
Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data
Hospitals have been ordered to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all patient information to a central database in Washington, raising questions about transparency.
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all Covid-19 patient information to a central database in Washington beginning on Wednesday. The move has alarmed health experts who fear the data will be politicized or withheld from the public.
The new instructions were posted recently in a little-noticed document on the Department of Health and Human Services website. From now on, the department — not the C.D.C. — will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, the number of available beds and ventilators, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.
Officials say the change will streamline data gathering and assist the White House coronavirus task force in allocating scarce supplies like personal protective gear and remdesivir, the first drug shown to be effective against the virus. But the Health and Human Services database that will receive new information is not open to the public, which could affect the work of scores of researchers, modelers and health officials who rely on C.D.C. data to make projections and crucial decisions.
“Historically, C.D.C. has been the place where public health data has been sent, and this raises questions about not just access for researchers but access for reporters, access for the public to try to better understand what is happening with the outbreak,” said Jen Kates, the director of global health and H.I.V. policy with the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/14/coronavirus-four-former-cdc-directors-oped-trump-administration/5434110002/
Four ex-CDC directors decry Trump administration effort to ‘cast public doubt’ on reopening guidelines
Four former directors of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sharply criticized the Trump administrationon Tuesday for undermining the federal health agency and casting doubt on its scientific guidelines in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.
“As America begins the formidable task of getting our kids back to school and all of us back to work safely amid a pandemic that is only getting worse, public health experts face two opponents: covid-19, but also political leaders and others attempting to undermine the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,” wrote former CDC Directors Tom Frieden, Jeffrey Koplan, David Satcher and Richard Besser in an op-ed published Tuesday by The Washington Post.
“As the debate last week around reopening schools more safely showed, these repeated efforts to subvert sound public health guidelines introduce chaos and uncertainty while unnecessarily putting lives at risk.”
“The four of us led the CDC over a period of more than 15 years, spanning Republican and Democratic administrations alike,” they said. “We cannot recall over our collective tenure a single time when political pressure led to a change in the interpretation of scientific evidence.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/ivanka-trump-picture-with-goya-beans-possible-ethics-violation/12460212
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also Trump spruiks beans.
dv said:
Buckle up … there’s a bit of news this morning.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-louis-prosecutor-investigating-couple-who-pointed-guns-says-trump-governor-came-after-her/
St. Louis prosecutor investigating couple who pointed guns at protesters says Trump, governor “came after” her
St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner said late Tuesday that Missouri’s governor and President Donald Trump “came after” her for investigating a couple who displayed guns as they defended their home during a racial injustice protest. Gardner made the comment after Missouri Gov. Mike Parson said the president told him he was concerned about the possibility that the couple could face criminal charges.
Parson told reporters Tuesday that he had just been on the phone with Mr. Trump and U.S. Attorney General William Barr. The phone call came amid reports that Gardner, a Democrat, may file charges against Mark and Patricia McCloskey, both of them lawyers in their 60s. The couple wielded guns on June 28 as protesters marched by their Renaissance palazzo-style mansion on the way to the home of St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson.
Parson said he told Mr. Trump that it’s difficult to remove an elected official from office in Missouri, though he didn’t say if Mr. Trump had asked if Gardner could be removed.
“I think the president didn’t like what he was seeing, and the way people are being treated,” Parson said. “I think you’ll see some sort of actions.”
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html
Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data
Hospitals have been ordered to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all patient information to a central database in Washington, raising questions about transparency.
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all Covid-19 patient information to a central database in Washington beginning on Wednesday. The move has alarmed health experts who fear the data will be politicized or withheld from the public.
The new instructions were posted recently in a little-noticed document on the Department of Health and Human Services website. From now on, the department — not the C.D.C. — will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, the number of available beds and ventilators, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.
Officials say the change will streamline data gathering and assist the White House coronavirus task force in allocating scarce supplies like personal protective gear and remdesivir, the first drug shown to be effective against the virus. But the Health and Human Services database that will receive new information is not open to the public, which could affect the work of scores of researchers, modelers and health officials who rely on C.D.C. data to make projections and crucial decisions.
“Historically, C.D.C. has been the place where public health data has been sent, and this raises questions about not just access for researchers but access for reporters, access for the public to try to better understand what is happening with the outbreak,” said Jen Kates, the director of global health and H.I.V. policy with the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/14/coronavirus-four-former-cdc-directors-oped-trump-administration/5434110002/
Four ex-CDC directors decry Trump administration effort to ‘cast public doubt’ on reopening guidelines
Four former directors of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sharply criticized the Trump administrationon Tuesday for undermining the federal health agency and casting doubt on its scientific guidelines in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.
“As America begins the formidable task of getting our kids back to school and all of us back to work safely amid a pandemic that is only getting worse, public health experts face two opponents: covid-19, but also political leaders and others attempting to undermine the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,” wrote former CDC Directors Tom Frieden, Jeffrey Koplan, David Satcher and Richard Besser in an op-ed published Tuesday by The Washington Post.
“As the debate last week around reopening schools more safely showed, these repeated efforts to subvert sound public health guidelines introduce chaos and uncertainty while unnecessarily putting lives at risk.”
“The four of us led the CDC over a period of more than 15 years, spanning Republican and Democratic administrations alike,” they said. “We cannot recall over our collective tenure a single time when political pressure led to a change in the interpretation of scientific evidence.”
The anti-CDC stance is concerning, although to be fair the CDC did not seem to be on their A-game early in the COVID-19 infections cycle.
Michael V said:
The anti-CDC stance is concerning, although to be fair the CDC did not seem to be on their A-game early in the COVID-19 infections cycle.
I disagree. Response to the CDC was pretty shitty.
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:The anti-CDC stance is concerning, although to be fair the CDC did not seem to be on their A-game early in the COVID-19 infections cycle.
I disagree. Response to the CDC was pretty shitty.
We don’t really know how much of their advice was taken or ignored by the White House.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:The anti-CDC stance is concerning, although to be fair the CDC did not seem to be on their A-game early in the COVID-19 infections cycle.
I disagree. Response to the CDC was pretty shitty.
We don’t really know how much of their advice was taken or ignored by the White House.
One problem was slow initial response. Another was tests that didn’t work. Another was not allowing other labs to do the testing – they kept the monopoly.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:I disagree. Response to the CDC was pretty shitty.
We don’t really know how much of their advice was taken or ignored by the White House.
One problem was slow initial response. Another was tests that didn’t work. Another was not allowing other labs to do the testing – they kept the monopoly.
Doesn’t more of that come down to the Whitehouse fighting WHO? Who offered testing stuffs to the USA. The USA said they had better tests.
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:We don’t really know how much of their advice was taken or ignored by the White House.
One problem was slow initial response. Another was tests that didn’t work. Another was not allowing other labs to do the testing – they kept the monopoly.
Doesn’t more of that come down to the Whitehouse fighting WHO? Who offered testing stuffs to the USA. The USA said they had better tests.
I’m talking about when stuff was happening in Washington State in January-February. The DJT-WHO pick-a-fight started later. IIRC.
dv said:
Buckle up … there’s a bit of news this morning.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-louis-prosecutor-investigating-couple-who-pointed-guns-says-trump-governor-came-after-her/
St. Louis prosecutor investigating couple who pointed guns at protesters says Trump, governor “came after” her
St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner said late Tuesday that Missouri’s governor and President Donald Trump “came after” her for investigating a couple who displayed guns as they defended their home during a racial injustice protest. Gardner made the comment after Missouri Gov. Mike Parson said the president told him he was concerned about the possibility that the couple could face criminal charges.
Parson told reporters Tuesday that he had just been on the phone with Mr. Trump and U.S. Attorney General William Barr. The phone call came amid reports that Gardner, a Democrat, may file charges against Mark and Patricia McCloskey, both of them lawyers in their 60s. The couple wielded guns on June 28 as protesters marched by their Renaissance palazzo-style mansion on the way to the home of St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson.
Parson said he told Mr. Trump that it’s difficult to remove an elected official from office in Missouri, though he didn’t say if Mr. Trump had asked if Gardner could be removed.
“I think the president didn’t like what he was seeing, and the way people are being treated,” Parson said. “I think you’ll see some sort of actions.”
—-
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html
Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data
Hospitals have been ordered to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all patient information to a central database in Washington, raising questions about transparency.
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all Covid-19 patient information to a central database in Washington beginning on Wednesday. The move has alarmed health experts who fear the data will be politicized or withheld from the public.
The new instructions were posted recently in a little-noticed document on the Department of Health and Human Services website. From now on, the department — not the C.D.C. — will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, the number of available beds and ventilators, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.
Officials say the change will streamline data gathering and assist the White House coronavirus task force in allocating scarce supplies like personal protective gear and remdesivir, the first drug shown to be effective against the virus. But the Health and Human Services database that will receive new information is not open to the public, which could affect the work of scores of researchers, modelers and health officials who rely on C.D.C. data to make projections and crucial decisions.
“Historically, C.D.C. has been the place where public health data has been sent, and this raises questions about not just access for researchers but access for reporters, access for the public to try to better understand what is happening with the outbreak,” said Jen Kates, the director of global health and H.I.V. policy with the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
—-
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/14/coronavirus-four-former-cdc-directors-oped-trump-administration/5434110002/
Four ex-CDC directors decry Trump administration effort to ‘cast public doubt’ on reopening guidelines
Four former directors of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sharply criticized the Trump administrationon Tuesday for undermining the federal health agency and casting doubt on its scientific guidelines in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.
“As America begins the formidable task of getting our kids back to school and all of us back to work safely amid a pandemic that is only getting worse, public health experts face two opponents: covid-19, but also political leaders and others attempting to undermine the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,” wrote former CDC Directors Tom Frieden, Jeffrey Koplan, David Satcher and Richard Besser in an op-ed published Tuesday by The Washington Post.
“As the debate last week around reopening schools more safely showed, these repeated efforts to subvert sound public health guidelines introduce chaos and uncertainty while unnecessarily putting lives at risk.”
“The four of us led the CDC over a period of more than 15 years, spanning Republican and Democratic administrations alike,” they said. “We cannot recall over our collective tenure a single time when political pressure led to a change in the interpretation of scientific evidence.”
On that second one, it should be easy enough for the hospitals to send the data to both places. If that is what it takes.
Bye bye Parscale.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-replaces-campaign-manager-amid-sinking-poll-numbers-20200716-p55cli.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bye bye Parscale.https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-replaces-campaign-manager-amid-sinking-poll-numbers-20200716-p55cli.html
Christ knows who will board this sinking vessel at this stage
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bye bye Parscale.https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-replaces-campaign-manager-amid-sinking-poll-numbers-20200716-p55cli.html
Christ knows who will board this sinking vessel at this stage
Bill Stepien
“Donald Trump replaces campaign manager Brad Parscale with Republican veteran Bill Stepien”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/donald-trump-changes-campaign-manager-bill-stepien-brad-parscale/12461226
Michael V said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bye bye Parscale.https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-replaces-campaign-manager-amid-sinking-poll-numbers-20200716-p55cli.html
Christ knows who will board this sinking vessel at this stage
Bill Stepien
“Donald Trump replaces campaign manager Brad Parscale with Republican veteran Bill Stepien”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/donald-trump-changes-campaign-manager-bill-stepien-brad-parscale/12461226
If he loses he can always retire to a hacienda in a little Mexican village
Michael V said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bye bye Parscale.https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-replaces-campaign-manager-amid-sinking-poll-numbers-20200716-p55cli.html
Christ knows who will board this sinking vessel at this stage
Bill Stepien
“Donald Trump replaces campaign manager Brad Parscale with Republican veteran Bill Stepien”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/donald-trump-changes-campaign-manager-bill-stepien-brad-parscale/12461226
“veteran”
He’s a boy!
On January 9, two days after nominating Stepien for the chairmanship of the New Jersey Republican Party, Christie announced that he had “lost my confidence in Bill’s judgment,” and he asked Stepien to withdraw his name from consideration. The turnaround was a result of Stepien’s work on Christie’s re-election campaign, where he became embroiled in the criminal closure of access lanes to the George Washington Bridge.
He’ll fit right in at the Trump Whitehouse.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bye bye Parscale.https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-replaces-campaign-manager-amid-sinking-poll-numbers-20200716-p55cli.html
Christ knows who will board this sinking vessel at this stage
Bill Stepien
“Donald Trump replaces campaign manager Brad Parscale with Republican veteran Bill Stepien”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/donald-trump-changes-campaign-manager-bill-stepien-brad-parscale/12461226
two of every kind
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/15/trump-latino-support-goya-2020-364856

President Donald Trump appeared to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk after posting a photo posing with Goya food products on Wednesday
On Wednesday, Trump fueled the controversy, posting an Instagram image of his trademarked thumbs up sign of approval as he sat in the Oval Office with an array of Goya products in front of him — appearing to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk.
“@GoyaFoods is doing GREAT. The Radical Left smear machine backfired, people are buying like crazy!” Trump claimed earlier on Twitter.
“Not even croquetas would be safe in Joe Biden’s America. Pass it on,” the Trump campaign’s Latino Twitter account, Equipo Trumpo, said Monday in reaction to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich calling for a boycott of the company.
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That’s a weird picture.
dv said:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/15/trump-latino-support-goya-2020-364856
President Donald Trump appeared to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk after posting a photo posing with Goya food products on WednesdayOn Wednesday, Trump fueled the controversy, posting an Instagram image of his trademarked thumbs up sign of approval as he sat in the Oval Office with an array of Goya products in front of him — appearing to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk.
“@GoyaFoods is doing GREAT. The Radical Left smear machine backfired, people are buying like crazy!” Trump claimed earlier on Twitter.
“Not even croquetas would be safe in Joe Biden’s America. Pass it on,” the Trump campaign’s Latino Twitter account, Equipo Trumpo, said Monday in reaction to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich calling for a boycott of the company.
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That’s a weird picture.
It’s a weird idea. But is endorsement of a food product really any different from endorsement of one’s favorite sport team?
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/15/trump-latino-support-goya-2020-364856
President Donald Trump appeared to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk after posting a photo posing with Goya food products on WednesdayOn Wednesday, Trump fueled the controversy, posting an Instagram image of his trademarked thumbs up sign of approval as he sat in the Oval Office with an array of Goya products in front of him — appearing to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk.
“@GoyaFoods is doing GREAT. The Radical Left smear machine backfired, people are buying like crazy!” Trump claimed earlier on Twitter.
“Not even croquetas would be safe in Joe Biden’s America. Pass it on,” the Trump campaign’s Latino Twitter account, Equipo Trumpo, said Monday in reaction to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich calling for a boycott of the company.
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That’s a weird picture.
It’s a weird idea. But is endorsement of a food product really any different from endorsement of one’s favorite sport team?
Have previous presidents sat in the Oval Office doing product placements with a bunch of Denver Broncos merch?
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/15/trump-latino-support-goya-2020-364856
President Donald Trump appeared to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk after posting a photo posing with Goya food products on WednesdayOn Wednesday, Trump fueled the controversy, posting an Instagram image of his trademarked thumbs up sign of approval as he sat in the Oval Office with an array of Goya products in front of him — appearing to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk.
“@GoyaFoods is doing GREAT. The Radical Left smear machine backfired, people are buying like crazy!” Trump claimed earlier on Twitter.
“Not even croquetas would be safe in Joe Biden’s America. Pass it on,” the Trump campaign’s Latino Twitter account, Equipo Trumpo, said Monday in reaction to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich calling for a boycott of the company.
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That’s a weird picture.
It’s a weird idea. But is endorsement of a food product really any different from endorsement of one’s favorite sport team?
Yes. It is very different.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/15/trump-latino-support-goya-2020-364856
President Donald Trump appeared to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk after posting a photo posing with Goya food products on WednesdayOn Wednesday, Trump fueled the controversy, posting an Instagram image of his trademarked thumbs up sign of approval as he sat in the Oval Office with an array of Goya products in front of him — appearing to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk.
“@GoyaFoods is doing GREAT. The Radical Left smear machine backfired, people are buying like crazy!” Trump claimed earlier on Twitter.
“Not even croquetas would be safe in Joe Biden’s America. Pass it on,” the Trump campaign’s Latino Twitter account, Equipo Trumpo, said Monday in reaction to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich calling for a boycott of the company.
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That’s a weird picture.
It’s a weird idea. But is endorsement of a food product really any different from endorsement of one’s favorite sport team?
Yes. It is very different.
He even looks like one of those late night spruikers? “But wait there’s more!”
dv said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:It’s a weird idea. But is endorsement of a food product really any different from endorsement of one’s favorite sport team?
Yes. It is very different.
He even looks like one of those late night spruikers? “But wait there’s more!”
Trump predates the steak knife.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/15/trump-latino-support-goya-2020-364856
President Donald Trump appeared to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk after posting a photo posing with Goya food products on WednesdayOn Wednesday, Trump fueled the controversy, posting an Instagram image of his trademarked thumbs up sign of approval as he sat in the Oval Office with an array of Goya products in front of him — appearing to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk.
“@GoyaFoods is doing GREAT. The Radical Left smear machine backfired, people are buying like crazy!” Trump claimed earlier on Twitter.
“Not even croquetas would be safe in Joe Biden’s America. Pass it on,” the Trump campaign’s Latino Twitter account, Equipo Trumpo, said Monday in reaction to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich calling for a boycott of the company.
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That’s a weird picture.
It’s a weird idea. But is endorsement of a food product really any different from endorsement of one’s favorite sport team?
Have previous presidents sat in the Oval Office doing product placements with a bunch of Denver Broncos merch?
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
buffy said:It’s a weird idea. But is endorsement of a food product really any different from endorsement of one’s favorite sport team?
Have previous presidents sat in the Oval Office doing product placements with a bunch of Denver Broncos merch?
That explains this
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At least she’s pretty.
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
dv said:Have previous presidents sat in the Oval Office doing product placements with a bunch of Denver Broncos merch?
That explains this
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At least she’s pretty.
And bathing in the blood of virgins every night keeps her looking that way.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Yes. It is very different.
He even looks like one of those late night spruikers? “But wait there’s more!”
Trump predates the steak knife.
He’s the predater
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/15/trump-latino-support-goya-2020-364856
President Donald Trump appeared to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk after posting a photo posing with Goya food products on WednesdayOn Wednesday, Trump fueled the controversy, posting an Instagram image of his trademarked thumbs up sign of approval as he sat in the Oval Office with an array of Goya products in front of him — appearing to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk.
“@GoyaFoods is doing GREAT. The Radical Left smear machine backfired, people are buying like crazy!” Trump claimed earlier on Twitter.
“Not even croquetas would be safe in Joe Biden’s America. Pass it on,” the Trump campaign’s Latino Twitter account, Equipo Trumpo, said Monday in reaction to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich calling for a boycott of the company.
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That’s a weird picture.
It’s a weird idea. But is endorsement of a food product really any different from endorsement of one’s favorite sport team?
Have previous presidents sat in the Oval Office doing product placements with a bunch of Denver Broncos merch?
Dunno. Has this one worn a team cap?
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
dv said:Have previous presidents sat in the Oval Office doing product placements with a bunch of Denver Broncos merch?
That explains this
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At least she’s pretty.
Jesus fucking Christ.
I thought there was some clause that said presidents can’t promote brands or something something. Maybe it’s about profiting but hmmm.
Trump the best president ever and that includes Bush and Nixon
party_pants said:
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/15/trump-latino-support-goya-2020-364856
President Donald Trump appeared to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk after posting a photo posing with Goya food products on WednesdayOn Wednesday, Trump fueled the controversy, posting an Instagram image of his trademarked thumbs up sign of approval as he sat in the Oval Office with an array of Goya products in front of him — appearing to provide an endorsement to a private company from the historic Resolute Desk.
“@GoyaFoods is doing GREAT. The Radical Left smear machine backfired, people are buying like crazy!” Trump claimed earlier on Twitter.
“Not even croquetas would be safe in Joe Biden’s America. Pass it on,” the Trump campaign’s Latino Twitter account, Equipo Trumpo, said Monday in reaction to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich calling for a boycott of the company.
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That’s a weird picture.
It’s a weird idea. But is endorsement of a food product really any different from endorsement of one’s favorite sport team?
Yes. It is very different.
In what way different. Both are endorsements of a commercial product.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:He even looks like one of those late night spruikers? “But wait there’s more!”
Trump predates the steak knife.
He’s the predater
LOL.
:)
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:It’s a weird idea. But is endorsement of a food product really any different from endorsement of one’s favorite sport team?
Yes. It is very different.
In what way different. Both are endorsements of a commercial product.
Sporting events are cultural events. There’s a whole lot of civic pride in your town or state or region or country tied up in expressing support for a particular team. Not all sporting teams are purely commercial, in the USA the major leagues are, but a lot of the college system is not.
Michael V said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:Trump predates the steak knife.
He’s the predater
LOL.
:)
^
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:It’s a weird idea. But is endorsement of a food product really any different from endorsement of one’s favorite sport team?
Yes. It is very different.
In what way different. Both are endorsements of a commercial product.
it’s like casinos get a free ride compared to other scams
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Yes. It is very different.
In what way different. Both are endorsements of a commercial product.
Sporting events are cultural events. There’s a whole lot of civic pride in your town or state or region or country tied up in expressing support for a particular team. Not all sporting teams are purely commercial, in the USA the major leagues are, but a lot of the college system is not.
Maybe a synchronised swimming program at a college somewhere.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:In what way different. Both are endorsements of a commercial product.
Sporting events are cultural events. There’s a whole lot of civic pride in your town or state or region or country tied up in expressing support for a particular team. Not all sporting teams are purely commercial, in the USA the major leagues are, but a lot of the college system is not.
Maybe a synchronised swimming program at a college somewhere.
the cultural event is the product.
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
dv said:Have previous presidents sat in the Oval Office doing product placements with a bunch of Denver Broncos merch?
That explains this
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At least she’s pretty.
Even Donald says she’s fuckable.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:That explains this
At least she’s pretty.
Even Donald says she’s fuckable.
I wouldn’t go that far. Just that it is standard advertising practice to feature a pretty female face in an advert. She at least makes it look convincing.
sarahs mum said:
Even Donald says she’s fuckable.
Donald thinks that of the entire United States.
And, by golly, he’s showing us he’s the man to do it.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:Even Donald says she’s fuckable.
Donald thinks that of the entire United States.
And, by golly, he’s showing us he’s the man to do it.
PMSL.
Oh dear, bit droopy
dv said:
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Oh dear, bit droopy
Looks that way.
‘It’s OK to change your mind’: Trump voters join ‘Never Trump’ ranks
By Ashley Parker and Robert Costa
July 16, 2020 — 6.30pm
Washington: The grainy first-person testimonial arrived at 2am in late June. A 40-year-old man with a thick southern accent — shirtless, the red ember of his cigarette glowing in the green twilight between drags — looked into his smartphone and began talking.
“Hi, my name is Josh and I live in North Carolina and I voted for Donald Trump — my bad, fam,” he begins, before explaining that this November will mark the first time “ever, ever” that he will vote for a Democrat.
“If Joe Biden drops out and the DNC runs a tomato can, I will vote for the tomato can, because I believe the tomato can will do less harm than our current President.”
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/it-s-ok-to-change-your-mind-trump-voters-join-never-trump-ranks-20200715-p55cfa.html
Nothing limits intelligence more than ignorance; nothing fosters ignorance more than one’s own opinions; nothing strengthens opinions more than refusing to look at reality
Witty Rejoinder said:
‘It’s OK to change your mind’: Trump voters join ‘Never Trump’ ranks
By Ashley Parker and Robert Costa
July 16, 2020 — 6.30pmWashington: The grainy first-person testimonial arrived at 2am in late June. A 40-year-old man with a thick southern accent — shirtless, the red ember of his cigarette glowing in the green twilight between drags — looked into his smartphone and began talking.
“Hi, my name is Josh and I live in North Carolina and I voted for Donald Trump — my bad, fam,” he begins, before explaining that this November will mark the first time “ever, ever” that he will vote for a Democrat.
“If Joe Biden drops out and the DNC runs a tomato can, I will vote for the tomato can, because I believe the tomato can will do less harm than our current President.”
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/it-s-ok-to-change-your-mind-trump-voters-join-never-trump-ranks-20200715-p55cfa.html

Witty Rejoinder said:
‘It’s OK to change your mind’: Trump voters join ‘Never Trump’ ranks
By Ashley Parker and Robert Costa
July 16, 2020 — 6.30pmWashington: The grainy first-person testimonial arrived at 2am in late June. A 40-year-old man with a thick southern accent — shirtless, the red ember of his cigarette glowing in the green twilight between drags — looked into his smartphone and began talking.
“Hi, my name is Josh and I live in North Carolina and I voted for Donald Trump — my bad, fam,” he begins, before explaining that this November will mark the first time “ever, ever” that he will vote for a Democrat.
“If Joe Biden drops out and the DNC runs a tomato can, I will vote for the tomato can, because I believe the tomato can will do less harm than our current President.”
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/it-s-ok-to-change-your-mind-trump-voters-join-never-trump-ranks-20200715-p55cfa.html
Thanks Witty. I’ve sent that link to my sister in Houston. She probably needs some cheering up, to know some people are actually thinking.
The US government on Thursday carried out its second federal execution this week, killing by lethal injection a Kansas man whose lawyers contended he had dementia and was unfit to be executed.
Wesley Ira Purkey was put to death this morning at 8:19 a.m. EDT at the Federal Correctional Complex in Terre Haute, Indiana.
The year just gets better and better.
sibeen said:
The US government on Thursday carried out its second federal execution this week, killing by lethal injection a Kansas man whose lawyers contended he had dementia and was unfit to be executed.Wesley Ira Purkey was put to death this morning at 8:19 a.m. EDT at the Federal Correctional Complex in Terre Haute, Indiana.
The year just gets better and better.
I wonder if Trump realises that after this virus, this could be the positiion he is in?
How to immigration policy
Sarah Cooper
177K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkvYZbbSNk8
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/white-house-binder-of-notes-press-briefing-2020-7?r=US&IR=T
A White House photographer snapped a photo of the press secretary’s helpful notes — here’s what we think they mean
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Not satire
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/trump-scale-back-environmental-reviews-projects-71797757
Trump reins in major environmental law to speed big projectsPresident Donald Trump is rolling back an influential environmental law from the Nixon era that he says delays infrastructure projects
ATLANTA — President Donald Trump announced Wednesday that he is rolling back a foundational Nixon-era environmental law that he says stifles infrastructure projects, but that is credited with keeping big construction projects from fouling up the environment and ensuring there is public input on major projects.
“Together we’re reclaiming America’s proud heritage as a nation of builders and a nation that can get things done,” Trump said.
Trump was in Atlanta to announce changes to National Environmental Policy Act regulations for how and when authorities must conduct environmental reviews, making it easier to build highways, pipelines, chemical and solar plants and other projects.
The 1970 law changed environmental oversight in the United States by requiring federal agencies to consider whether a project would harm the air, land, water or wildlife, and giving the public the right of review and input.
Last Thursday the Trump administration issued the latest in a long line of administrative rules that unlawfully ban and punish asylum seekers and others pursuing related humanitarian protections in the United States. The proposed rule, titled “Security Bars and Processing” (and separate from another harmful asylum-related rule from early June), marries two of the president’s favored pretexts: national security and public health. But it has nothing to do with either. Rather, this is the president leaning hard into his anti-immigrant agenda as November approaches and his political prospects wane.
Promulgated by the Departments of Homeland Security and Justice, the proposed rule purports to “mitigate the risk of a deadly communicable disease being brought to the United States, or being further spread within the country,” through four dangerous changes to the asylum system:
First, the proposed rule would add public health emergencies to the national security grounds on which people seeking asylum or withholding of removal (a lesser form of relief for those who don’t qualify for asylum for particular reasons) could be denied. Specifically, asylum seekers for whom DHS determines that “entry would pose a risk of further spreading infectious or highly contagious illnesses or diseases, because of declared public health emergencies in the United States or because of conditions in their country of origin or point of embarkation to the United States” would be banned for “pos a significant danger to the security of the United States.”
https://www.justsecurity.org/71422/trumps-latest-assault-on-asylum-has-nothing-to-do-with-national-security-or-public-health/
dv said:
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/trump-scale-back-environmental-reviews-projects-71797757Trump reins in major environmental law to speed big projectsPresident Donald Trump is rolling back an influential environmental law from the Nixon era that he says delays infrastructure projects
ATLANTA — President Donald Trump announced Wednesday that he is rolling back a foundational Nixon-era environmental law that he says stifles infrastructure projects, but that is credited with keeping big construction projects from fouling up the environment and ensuring there is public input on major projects.
“Together we’re reclaiming America’s proud heritage as a nation of builders and a nation that can get things done,” Trump said.
Trump was in Atlanta to announce changes to National Environmental Policy Act regulations for how and when authorities must conduct environmental reviews, making it easier to build highways, pipelines, chemical and solar plants and other projects.
The 1970 law changed environmental oversight in the United States by requiring federal agencies to consider whether a project would harm the air, land, water or wildlife, and giving the public the right of review and input.
It’s happening here too. In NSW, many large developments have by-passed the usual environmental constraints and have been approved without criteria being met. They are calling it fast-tracking of shovel-ready projects, and in the case of the Cumberland State Forest/former IBM site/Mirvac housing development, it was a development that was previously rejected due to environmental concerns, including impacts on threatened species.
sibeen said:
The US government on Thursday carried out its second federal execution this week, killing by lethal injection a Kansas man whose lawyers contended he had dementia and was unfit to be executed.Wesley Ira Purkey was put to death this morning at 8:19 a.m. EDT at the Federal Correctional Complex in Terre Haute, Indiana.
The year just gets better and better.
Donald Rump is the most successful President that America has ever had.
Because he’s generated the most memes.
Rule 303 said:
Aha after decades of fraud and 3 years of egregious corruption maybe this will be the thing that finally wakes them all up and cleans the shit up!
SCIENCE said:
Rule 303 said:
Aha after decades of fraud and 3 years of egregious corruption maybe this will be the thing that finally wakes them all up and cleans the shit up!
Lol
New material for Sarah Cooper.
Trump:(Biden would)’Mandate no carbon emissions for homes, offices, and all new buildings by 2030.’ ‘That basically means no windows. No nothing. It’s very hard to do. I tell people when they want to go into some of these buildings, ‘how are your eyes?’ They won’t be good in five years. And I hope you don’t mind cold office space in the winter and warm office space in the summer…cause your air conditioning is not the same as in the good old days.’
sarahs mum said:
New material for Sarah Cooper.Trump:(Biden would)’Mandate no carbon emissions for homes, offices, and all new buildings by 2030.’ ‘That basically means no windows. No nothing. It’s very hard to do. I tell people when they want to go into some of these buildings, ‘how are your eyes?’ They won’t be good in five years. And I hope you don’t mind cold office space in the winter and warm office space in the summer…cause your air conditioning is not the same as in the good old days.’
in an interview she said that it took about five hours to just learn one speech of his, because she has to learn it so well since he doesn’t talk coherently like the rest of us might, there is no flow to his words, so It’s like learning a different language.

https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/1283966247751700480
I hope, desperately hope, that this story is not what it appears to be. That there is some mistake. We need to know more, fast. But there is a chill up my spine with the recognition that this is plausible in our current America.
Quote Tweet
David Burbach
@dburbach
· Jul 17
Oregon Public Broadcasting confirms tweets today that federal officers in camouflage but no agency identification or badges, driving unmarked non-government rental cars, are grabbing protestors off streets in Portland and not talking w local authorities
ChrispenEvan said:
https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/1283966247751700480I hope, desperately hope, that this story is not what it appears to be. That there is some mistake. We need to know more, fast. But there is a chill up my spine with the recognition that this is plausible in our current America.
Quote TweetDavid Burbach
@dburbach · Jul 17
Oregon Public Broadcasting confirms tweets today that federal officers in camouflage but no agency identification or badges, driving unmarked non-government rental cars, are grabbing protestors off streets in Portland and not talking w local authorities
Watched this just a little while ago…
‘Terrifying For Citizens’: Oregon Gov. Reacts To Trump’s ‘Invasion’ Of Portland 6mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUjiQj18HRo
ChrispenEvan said:
https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/1283966247751700480I hope, desperately hope, that this story is not what it appears to be. That there is some mistake. We need to know more, fast. But there is a chill up my spine with the recognition that this is plausible in our current America.
Quote TweetDavid Burbach
@dburbach · Jul 17
Oregon Public Broadcasting confirms tweets today that federal officers in camouflage but no agency identification or badges, driving unmarked non-government rental cars, are grabbing protestors off streets in Portland and not talking w local authorities
sarahs mum said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/1283966247751700480I hope, desperately hope, that this story is not what it appears to be. That there is some mistake. We need to know more, fast. But there is a chill up my spine with the recognition that this is plausible in our current America.
Quote TweetDavid Burbach
@dburbach · Jul 17
Oregon Public Broadcasting confirms tweets today that federal officers in camouflage but no agency identification or badges, driving unmarked non-government rental cars, are grabbing protestors off streets in Portland and not talking w local authorities
Watched this just a little while ago…
‘Terrifying For Citizens’: Oregon Gov. Reacts To Trump’s ‘Invasion’ Of Portland 6mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUjiQj18HRo
watching that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDEv3Ey-Tfg
Let’s talk about Portland and Trump’s move….
apparently a similar thing happened in Ireland a few years ago…around easter.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDEv3Ey-TfgLet’s talk about Portland and Trump’s move….
apparently a similar thing happened in Ireland a few years ago…around easter.
Civil War II: The Oregon Chapter.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDEv3Ey-TfgLet’s talk about Portland and Trump’s move….
apparently a similar thing happened in Ireland a few years ago…around easter.
I watched that too.
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDEv3Ey-TfgLet’s talk about Portland and Trump’s move….
apparently a similar thing happened in Ireland a few years ago…around easter.
Civil War II: The Oregon Chapter.
Also Oregon was an early leader in the covid race. But they have slowed down and they are way back in the field now.
Typical ultraleft Fox News

captain_spalding said:
I saw a similar one a few days ago, the last frame he says “I was the first one to call it a fire”.
captain_spalding said:
Quite
captain_spalding said:
“Next up is Mary Trump, a seldom-seen niece who knows little about me, says untruthful things about my wonderful parents (who couldn’t stand her!) and me, and violated her NDA,” he wrote.
“She also broke the Law by giving out my tax returns. She’s a mess!”
https://youtu.be/kerLPXaC85c
Rev Al Sharpton: Memo to Trump, you have opposed voting reform at every stage
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/transcript-fox-news-sunday-interview-with-president-trump
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/transcript-fox-news-sunday-interview-with-president-trump
In crayon ?
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/transcript-fox-news-sunday-interview-with-president-trump
what a buffoon.
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/transcript-fox-news-sunday-interview-with-president-trump
what a buffoon.
Totally self-deluded.
captain_spalding said:
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/transcript-fox-news-sunday-interview-with-president-trump
what a buffoon.
Totally self-deluded.
Got to hand it to Biggie for not letting up on the stats. In some cases I think Trump was surprised to learn the truth. One imagines he is surrounded by people who tell him what he wants to hear.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Arts said:what a buffoon.
Totally self-deluded.
Got to hand it to Biggie for not letting up on the stats. In some cases I think Trump was surprised to learn the truth. One imagines he is surrounded by people who tell him what he wants to hear.
…or he just sacks them.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Arts said:what a buffoon.
Totally self-deluded.
Got to hand it to Biggie for not letting up on the stats. In some cases I think Trump was surprised to learn the truth. One imagines he is surrounded by people who tell him what he wants to hear.
we say “self” but given the liars have 100000000 convinced as well you can hardly blame them
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Arts said:what a buffoon.
Totally self-deluded.
Got to hand it to Biggie for not letting up on the stats. In some cases I think Trump was surprised to learn the truth. One imagines he is surrounded by people who tell him what he wants to hear.
DV’s onto him.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:Totally self-deluded.
Got to hand it to Biggie for not letting up on the stats. In some cases I think Trump was surprised to learn the truth. One imagines he is surrounded by people who tell him what he wants to hear.
DV’s onto him.
chuckle
sort of the Everest-of-stupid somehow gets into everybody’s backyard, and everyone wants to climb it
holy shit
https://scoop.upworthy.com/fox-news-cut-from-trumps-speech-fact-check-claims-defend-obama-maga-not-happy
Fox News cut from Trump’s speech to fact check his claims and defend Obama.
Fox News host Neil Cavuto cut away from the live feed of Trump’s Thursday press event to fact check the President’s claims about the former administration and almost apologetically tried to set the record straight.
President Donald Trump held another campaign-style press event at the White House Thursday, where he harkened back to his old conspiracy theories about Democrats wanting to destroy American suburbs. Standing between two pickup trucks—a blue one weighed down with mock weights to supposedly represent regulations and a red one with a large crane bearing a “Trump Administration” banner, Trump didn’t surprise anyone when he used the opportunity to once again criticize his predecessor and the former administration. What did come as a surprise, however, was Fox News host Neil Cavuto cutting away from the live feed to fact check the President’s claims and almost apologetically trying to set the record straight.
As the 74-year-old credited himself with a low pre-pandemic unemployment rate and accused the economic and banking regulations instituted by President Barack Obama of having had catastrophic effects, Cavuto cut into the speech with a surprising fact check session for the network’s viewers. “I do want to clarify a couple of things. He said that no president in history has cut regulations as he much as he has – that is true. But I think he might have mischaracterized the regulations that were added under Barack Obama. They were largely financial related,” he said.
“You might recall we had this little financial meltdown and much of those regulations were geared to preventing banks from ever investing in things like risky mortgage securities, pooling them and selling them off… so more than half the regulations the Obama administration added were of that bent post the meltdown,” the host continued. “Another quick point, when the President referred to the ‘horrible results’ or the ‘disappointing results’ of the prior administration for adding those regulations… the unemployment rate did, under Barack Obama, go down from a high 10% to around a 4.7%. Trump, of course, set that even lower, eventually getting us down to 3.5% unemployment rate.”
“But I didn’t want to leave you with the impression that during those eight years, when Obama first came to office and we were bleeding about a million jobs a month, that that was a standard fair and that characterized the whole eight years. The recovery itself might’ve been weak but we were coming off a meltdown,” said Cavuto. “Again, both presidents can crow about the growth that they saw, but it was not a disaster under Barack Obama. Not only did the Dow essentially triple during his tenure… most companies did very very well, but Americans did very very, well.”
“So I just want to put that in some context here. was not disastrous—those prior eight years—just like it certainly hasn’t been disastrous prior to the virus with this President,” Cavuto concluded.
dv said:
holy shithttps://scoop.upworthy.com/fox-news-cut-from-trumps-speech-fact-check-claims-defend-obama-maga-not-happy
Fox News cut from Trump’s speech to fact check his claims and defend Obama.
Fox News host Neil Cavuto cut away from the live feed of Trump’s Thursday press event to fact check the President’s claims about the former administration and almost apologetically tried to set the record straight.
President Donald Trump held another campaign-style press event at the White House Thursday, where he harkened back to his old conspiracy theories about Democrats wanting to destroy American suburbs. Standing between two pickup trucks—a blue one weighed down with mock weights to supposedly represent regulations and a red one with a large crane bearing a “Trump Administration” banner, Trump didn’t surprise anyone when he used the opportunity to once again criticize his predecessor and the former administration. What did come as a surprise, however, was Fox News host Neil Cavuto cutting away from the live feed to fact check the President’s claims and almost apologetically trying to set the record straight.
As the 74-year-old credited himself with a low pre-pandemic unemployment rate and accused the economic and banking regulations instituted by President Barack Obama of having had catastrophic effects, Cavuto cut into the speech with a surprising fact check session for the network’s viewers. “I do want to clarify a couple of things. He said that no president in history has cut regulations as he much as he has – that is true. But I think he might have mischaracterized the regulations that were added under Barack Obama. They were largely financial related,” he said.
“You might recall we had this little financial meltdown and much of those regulations were geared to preventing banks from ever investing in things like risky mortgage securities, pooling them and selling them off… so more than half the regulations the Obama administration added were of that bent post the meltdown,” the host continued. “Another quick point, when the President referred to the ‘horrible results’ or the ‘disappointing results’ of the prior administration for adding those regulations… the unemployment rate did, under Barack Obama, go down from a high 10% to around a 4.7%. Trump, of course, set that even lower, eventually getting us down to 3.5% unemployment rate.”
“But I didn’t want to leave you with the impression that during those eight years, when Obama first came to office and we were bleeding about a million jobs a month, that that was a standard fair and that characterized the whole eight years. The recovery itself might’ve been weak but we were coming off a meltdown,” said Cavuto. “Again, both presidents can crow about the growth that they saw, but it was not a disaster under Barack Obama. Not only did the Dow essentially triple during his tenure… most companies did very very well, but Americans did very very, well.”
“So I just want to put that in some context here. was not disastrous—those prior eight years—just like it certainly hasn’t been disastrous prior to the virus with this President,” Cavuto concluded.
If you compare the work done during the Obama administration period with the work done ro prevent him from doing anything at all by the republicans during his tenure. It is quite amazing that Obama managed to get anything done at all.
I have a friend in the US who is pretty sure Trump is putting on an act. He asks searching questions about whether it’s possible to be that stupid and still walk and breath and so on. Who stops him drinking bleach every day? How do they stop the President of the USA, a man with access to the codes to launch nuclear war, from looking at an eclipse?
I don’t have any answers.
Rule 303 said:
I have a friend in the US who is pretty sure Trump is putting on an act. He asks searching questions about whether it’s possible to be that stupid and still walk and breath and so on. Who stops him drinking bleach every day? How do they stop the President of the USA, a man with access to the codes to launch nuclear war, from looking at an eclipse?I don’t have any answers.
The USA has a way of homogenising presidents. They are all wildly different when they come into the job and all leave having done absolutely nothing except distract the media from real issues.
Yes, Rump is acting.
He’s a whole lot smarter than Reagan ever was, more moral than Nixon, and less disastrous than Hoover.
IMHO, Rump’s biggest failure has been sacking only the wrong people. The only three he needed to sack are Pence, the head of the Secret Service, and the head of the FDA. He sacked everyone else.
mollwollfumble said:
Rule 303 said:
I have a friend in the US who is pretty sure Trump is putting on an act. He asks searching questions about whether it’s possible to be that stupid and still walk and breath and so on. Who stops him drinking bleach every day? How do they stop the President of the USA, a man with access to the codes to launch nuclear war, from looking at an eclipse?I don’t have any answers.
The USA has a way of homogenising presidents. They are all wildly different when they come into the job and all leave having done absolutely nothing except distract the media from real issues.
Yes, Rump is acting.
He’s a whole lot smarter than Reagan ever was, more moral than Nixon, and less disastrous than Hoover.
IMHO, Rump’s biggest failure has been sacking only the wrong people. The only three he needed to sack are Pence, the head of the Secret Service, and the head of the FDA. He sacked everyone else.
mollwollfumble said:
Yes, Rump is acting.
He’s a whole lot smarter than Reagan ever was, more moral than Nixon, and less disastrous than Hoover.
Acting dumber than he really is? I don’t think so.
A whole lot smarter than Reagan? What is the evidence for that? They both have/had the smarts to get to be president, and Reagan did it twice.
Before the dementia set it I’d say Reagan was a whole lot more intelligent that Trump.
More moral than Nixon? What is the evidence for that?
As for Hoover, I know next to nothing of his history, but a great big dam is more useful than a great big wall.
It’s good that the Trump gave a press conference today in which he advised people to wear masks and social distance. BLTN.
OTOH
At a press conference ostensibly to discuss the coronavirus crisis gripping the US on Tuesday, Trump took questions from reporters, one of whom asked him about Maxwell’s recent arrest and whether she might implicate some of the “powerful men” who formed part of Epstein’s jet set social circle.“I don’t know – I haven’t really been following it too much. I just wish her well, frankly,” Trump responded. “I have met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is.”
dv said:
It’s good that the Trump gave a press conference today in which he advised people to wear masks and social distance. BLTN.OTOH
At a press conference ostensibly to discuss the coronavirus crisis gripping the US on Tuesday, Trump took questions from reporters, one of whom asked him about Maxwell’s recent arrest and whether she might implicate some of the “powerful men” who formed part of Epstein’s jet set social circle.“I don’t know – I haven’t really been following it too much. I just wish her well, frankly,” Trump responded. “I have met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is.”
I watched it. He seemed surprisingly coherent, but it was clear he was reading the vast majority of it.
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
It’s good that the Trump gave a press conference today in which he advised people to wear masks and social distance. BLTN.OTOH
At a press conference ostensibly to discuss the coronavirus crisis gripping the US on Tuesday, Trump took questions from reporters, one of whom asked him about Maxwell’s recent arrest and whether she might implicate some of the “powerful men” who formed part of Epstein’s jet set social circle.“I don’t know – I haven’t really been following it too much. I just wish her well, frankly,” Trump responded. “I have met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is.”
I watched it. He seemed surprisingly coherent, but it was clear he was reading the vast majority of it.
I doubt his advisors said, “make sure you squeeze in well-wishes for s child sex trafficker”.
dv said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
It’s good that the Trump gave a press conference today in which he advised people to wear masks and social distance. BLTN.OTOH
At a press conference ostensibly to discuss the coronavirus crisis gripping the US on Tuesday, Trump took questions from reporters, one of whom asked him about Maxwell’s recent arrest and whether she might implicate some of the “powerful men” who formed part of Epstein’s jet set social circle.“I don’t know – I haven’t really been following it too much. I just wish her well, frankly,” Trump responded. “I have met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is.”
I watched it. He seemed surprisingly coherent, but it was clear he was reading the vast majority of it.
I doubt his advisors said, “make sure you squeeze in well-wishes for s child sex trafficker”.
He’s simply trying to avoid any talk of him using the girls she supplied for crotch groping.
“Gis a kiss”. 
dv said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
It’s good that the Trump gave a press conference today in which he advised people to wear masks and social distance. BLTN.OTOH
At a press conference ostensibly to discuss the coronavirus crisis gripping the US on Tuesday, Trump took questions from reporters, one of whom asked him about Maxwell’s recent arrest and whether she might implicate some of the “powerful men” who formed part of Epstein’s jet set social circle.“I don’t know – I haven’t really been following it too much. I just wish her well, frankly,” Trump responded. “I have met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is.”
I watched it. He seemed surprisingly coherent, but it was clear he was reading the vast majority of it.
I doubt his advisors said, “make sure you squeeze in well-wishes for s child sex trafficker”.
I think his advisors would spend a lot of their time begging him to STFU.
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
Rule 303 said:I watched it. He seemed surprisingly coherent, but it was clear he was reading the vast majority of it.
I doubt his advisors said, “make sure you squeeze in well-wishes for s child sex trafficker”.
I think his advisors would spend a lot of their time begging him to STFU.
I think we can shitcan the idea that he’s just pretending to be stupid…
dv said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:I doubt his advisors said, “make sure you squeeze in well-wishes for s child sex trafficker”.
I think his advisors would spend a lot of their time begging him to STFU.
I think we can shitcan the idea that he’s just pretending to be stupid…
yep, he ain’t that clever.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Rule 303 said:I think his advisors would spend a lot of their time begging him to STFU.
I think we can shitcan the idea that he’s just pretending to be stupid…
yep, he ain’t that clever.
enablers
dv said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:I doubt his advisors said, “make sure you squeeze in well-wishes for s child sex trafficker”.
I think his advisors would spend a lot of their time begging him to STFU.
I think we can shitcan the idea that he’s just pretending to be stupid…
That or he’s such a stable genius that his pretence of being stupid is utterly convincing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Rule 303 said:I think his advisors would spend a lot of their time begging him to STFU.
I think we can shitcan the idea that he’s just pretending to be stupid…
That or he’s such a stable genius that his pretence of being stupid is utterly convincing.
Straight from the horses mouth?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Rule 303 said:I think his advisors would spend a lot of their time begging him to STFU.
I think we can shitcan the idea that he’s just pretending to be stupid…
That or he’s such a stable genius that his pretence of being stupid is utterly convincing.
dv said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:I doubt his advisors said, “make sure you squeeze in well-wishes for s child sex trafficker”.
I think his advisors would spend a lot of their time begging him to STFU.
I think we can shitcan the idea that he’s just pretending to be stupid…
wait, that was a thing? if he is pretending to be stupid he is the greatest method actor of all time.
dv said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:I doubt his advisors said, “make sure you squeeze in well-wishes for s child sex trafficker”.
I think his advisors would spend a lot of their time begging him to STFU.
I think we can shitcan the idea that he’s just pretending to be stupid…
Yeah, I don’t find it convincing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Rule 303 said:I think his advisors would spend a lot of their time begging him to STFU.
I think we can shitcan the idea that he’s just pretending to be stupid…
That or he’s such a stable genius that his pretence of being stupid is utterly convincing.
He’s not even smart enough to be guarded when he’s off script.
From the best president money can buy.
Interesting case has arisen with regard to Republican Senator Ron Johnson who is a member of the Foreign Relations committee. The FBI warned him previously that the theories he is pushing are Russian propaganda not based on reliable evidence. He responded in October 2019 by telling Fox news that he “doesn’t trust” FBI or CIA intel on Russia and Ukraine.
Senior Democrats have now requested that the FBI brief the whole of Congress on current Russian efforts to undermine the 2020 election. There may be a connection to Johnson’s activity, per this analysis.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2020-election-interference-pelosi-schumer-fbi-briefing-congress/
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Washington — Democratic congressional leaders on Monday released a joint letter to FBI Director Chris Wray requesting a “defensive counterintelligence briefing” on election security for all members of Congress prior to August recess, in a sign concerns about potential foreign interference are mounting as the November election nears.
The letter, sent last week by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Intelligence Committee Ranking Member Mark Warner, and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, says the leaders “believe it is imperative that the FBI provide a classified defensive briefing to all Members of Congress.”
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“We are gravely concerned, in particular, that Congress appears to be the target of a concerted foreign interference campaign, which seeks to launder and amplify disinformation in order to influence congressional activity, public debate, and the presidential election in November,” the Democrats wrote. The letter was dated July 13 and asked Wray to respond by Monday. The FBI acknowledged receipt of the letter but declined further comment when asked by CBS News.
Speaking of Russian interference, the UK report into Russian interference in the Brexit referendum and the 2017 election is due for release today or tomorrow. Reports are that BoJo was trying to suppress it. It is up to a parliamentary committee to approve publication. He tried to stack the numbers on the committee so they would vote not to publish, but one conservative MP rebelled and sided with Labour and the SNP, who promptly voted him in as chair of the committee. The Tories booted him out of the party in retaliation, so now they have an independent committee, who have decided as first order of business to publish.
It is probably going to be a bit of a damp squib anyway, I doubt the Russians had to do much to influence what was going to happen already.
party_pants said:
Speaking of Russian interference, the UK report into Russian interference in the Brexit referendum and the 2017 election is due for release today or tomorrow. Reports are that BoJo was trying to suppress it. It is up to a parliamentary committee to approve publication. He tried to stack the numbers on the committee so they would vote not to publish, but one conservative MP rebelled and sided with Labour and the SNP, who promptly voted him in as chair of the committee. The Tories booted him out of the party in retaliation, so now they have an independent committee, who have decided as first order of business to publish.It is probably going to be a bit of a damp squib anyway, I doubt the Russians had to do much to influence what was going to happen already.
OTOH I think it is sensible to take it seriously to be prepared for the future.
party_pants said:
.It is probably going to be a bit of a damp squib anyway, I doubt the Russians had to do much to influence what was going to happen already.
A bit of a sad indictment of Labour’s Corbyn if the Russians were acking BoJo to win last time arond.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
.It is probably going to be a bit of a damp squib anyway, I doubt the Russians had to do much to influence what was going to happen already.
A bit of a sad indictment of Labour’s Corbyn if the Russians were acking BoJo to win last time arond.
backing, that is
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
.It is probably going to be a bit of a damp squib anyway, I doubt the Russians had to do much to influence what was going to happen already.
A bit of a sad indictment of Labour’s Corbyn if the Russians were acking BoJo to win last time arond.
Their goal was to destabilise Europe, regardless of who is in power in the UK…
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
.It is probably going to be a bit of a damp squib anyway, I doubt the Russians had to do much to influence what was going to happen already.
A bit of a sad indictment of Labour’s Corbyn if the Russians were acking BoJo to win last time arond.
I think the Russians are more interested in breaking up the EU and/or NATO than in exporting revolution.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
.It is probably going to be a bit of a damp squib anyway, I doubt the Russians had to do much to influence what was going to happen already.
A bit of a sad indictment of Labour’s Corbyn if the Russians were acking BoJo to win last time arond.
Is it though?
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
.It is probably going to be a bit of a damp squib anyway, I doubt the Russians had to do much to influence what was going to happen already.
A bit of a sad indictment of Labour’s Corbyn if the Russians were acking BoJo to win last time arond.
Is it?
Is the same true for Clinton?
Surely being backed by the Russians is a sadder indictment than not being backed by the Russians?
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
.It is probably going to be a bit of a damp squib anyway, I doubt the Russians had to do much to influence what was going to happen already.
A bit of a sad indictment of Labour’s Corbyn if the Russians were acking BoJo to win last time arond.
I think the Russians are more interested in breaking up the EU and/or NATO than in exporting revolution.
I mean I know y’all aren’t familiar with Terminator so perhaps you didn’t get the news that Russia has not been Communist for more than 30 years…
dv said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:A bit of a sad indictment of Labour’s Corbyn if the Russians were acking BoJo to win last time arond.
I think the Russians are more interested in breaking up the EU and/or NATO than in exporting revolution.
I mean I know y’all aren’t familiar with Terminator so perhaps you didn’t get the news that Russia has not been Communist for more than 30 years…
Yes, they are not communists now, but they are not exactly free and democratic either. The cold war continues to some extent. Putin’s aim is to Make Russia Great Again.
dv said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:A bit of a sad indictment of Labour’s Corbyn if the Russians were acking BoJo to win last time arond.
I think the Russians are more interested in breaking up the EU and/or NATO than in exporting revolution.
I mean I know y’all aren’t familiar with Terminator so perhaps you didn’t get the news that Russia has not been Communist for more than 30 years…
A lot of the population are still communists in their minds.
party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:I think the Russians are more interested in breaking up the EU and/or NATO than in exporting revolution.
I mean I know y’all aren’t familiar with Terminator so perhaps you didn’t get the news that Russia has not been Communist for more than 30 years…
Yes, they are not communists now, but they are not exactly free and democratic either. The cold war continues to some extent. Putin’s aim is to Make Russia Great Again.
party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:I think the Russians are more interested in breaking up the EU and/or NATO than in exporting revolution.
I mean I know y’all aren’t familiar with Terminator so perhaps you didn’t get the news that Russia has not been Communist for more than 30 years…
Yes, they are not communists now, but they are not exactly free and democratic either. The cold war continues to some extent. Putin’s aim is to Make Russia Great Again.
anyone might come to think that planning and centralisation of economy is a different matter to policing and personal freedom
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
dv said:I mean I know y’all aren’t familiar with Terminator so perhaps you didn’t get the news that Russia has not been Communist for more than 30 years…
Yes, they are not communists now, but they are not exactly free and democratic either. The cold war continues to some extent. Putin’s aim is to Make Russia Great Again.
anyone might come to think that planning and centralisation of economy is a different matter to policing and personal freedom
Well, my radical new political philosophy is that democratic freedoms are more important than the economic system you chose to implement.
party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:I think the Russians are more interested in breaking up the EU and/or NATO than in exporting revolution.
I mean I know y’all aren’t familiar with Terminator so perhaps you didn’t get the news that Russia has not been Communist for more than 30 years…
Yes, they are not communists now, but they are not exactly free and democratic either. The cold war continues to some extent. Putin’s aim is to Make Russia Great Again.
Right but it should be obvious that part of the way to do that would be to ensure that the EU and the UK are weakened by having the latter adopt a distasterous Brexit policy while having an idiotic Bojo as PM.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/21/donald-trump-cognitive-test-closer-look
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/21/donald-trump-cognitive-test-closer-look
face, velvet, church, daisy, red
A federal prosecutor has raised concerns about Trump’s comments on Ghislaine Maxwell.
“The president has nothing to say about a gun-toting madman who just murdered the son of a federal judge. But he takes time out of his press conference to send well wishes to a woman accused of trafficking teenager girls for sex. That’s gross on its face, and in the aftermath of the Stone pardon, it reeks of the president indicating to her that he might reward her if she’ll stay silent about whatever she knows about him.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/21/trump-ghislaine-maxwell-376820
dv said:
A federal prosecutor has raised concerns about Trump’s comments on Ghislaine Maxwell.
“The president has nothing to say about a gun-toting madman who just murdered the son of a federal judge. But he takes time out of his press conference to send well wishes to a woman accused of trafficking teenager girls for sex. That’s gross on its face, and in the aftermath of the Stone pardon, it reeks of the president indicating to her that he might reward her if she’ll stay silent about whatever she knows about him.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/21/trump-ghislaine-maxwell-376820
.. and people say Trump’s not smart.
dv said:
A federal prosecutor has raised concerns about Trump’s comments on Ghislaine Maxwell.
“The president has nothing to say about a gun-toting madman who just murdered the son of a federal judge. But he takes time out of his press conference to send well wishes to a woman accused of trafficking teenager girls for sex. That’s gross on its face, and in the aftermath of the Stone pardon, it reeks of the president indicating to her that he might reward her if she’ll stay silent about whatever she knows about him.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/21/trump-ghislaine-maxwell-376820
That’s very blunt.
party_pants said:
dv said:A federal prosecutor has raised concerns about Trump’s comments on Ghislaine Maxwell.
“The president has nothing to say about a gun-toting madman who just murdered the son of a federal judge. But he takes time out of his press conference to send well wishes to a woman accused of trafficking teenager girls for sex. That’s gross on its face, and in the aftermath of the Stone pardon, it reeks of the president indicating to her that he might reward her if she’ll stay silent about whatever she knows about him.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/21/trump-ghislaine-maxwell-376820
That’s very blunt.
does it get covered by double jeopardy
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
dv said:A federal prosecutor has raised concerns about Trump’s comments on Ghislaine Maxwell.
“The president has nothing to say about a gun-toting madman who just murdered the son of a federal judge. But he takes time out of his press conference to send well wishes to a woman accused of trafficking teenager girls for sex. That’s gross on its face, and in the aftermath of the Stone pardon, it reeks of the president indicating to her that he might reward her if she’ll stay silent about whatever she knows about him.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/21/trump-ghislaine-maxwell-376820
That’s very blunt.
does it get covered by double jeopardy
The Price Is Right
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:That’s very blunt.
does it get covered by double jeopardy
The Price Is Right
what we mean is, on the presumption that it won’t be Trump2020, would there be benefit in forcing this to wait until February
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:does it get covered by double jeopardy
The Price Is Right
what we mean is, on the presumption that it won’t be Trump2020, would there be benefit in forcing this to wait until February
So you’re saying that prosecutors should keep something in the tank until late January
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:The Price Is Right
what we mean is, on the presumption that it won’t be Trump2020, would there be benefit in forcing this to wait until February
So you’re saying that prosecutors should keep something in the tank until late January
Not only that, but they should keep it secret that they have something, until then.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:The Price Is Right
what we mean is, on the presumption that it won’t be Trump2020, would there be benefit in forcing this to wait until February
So you’re saying that prosecutors should keep something in the tank until late January
Sort of, more like a question whether they should, might that be wise.
Well…Beau was bleak today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jWW-JfInpc
sarahs mum said:
Well…Beau was bleak today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jWW-JfInpc
Crossroads
Republican former governor Tom Ridge, who was during the Bush era the first Secretary of Homeland Security has ripped Donald Trump for treating the department as his own personal militia.
“The department was established to protect America from the ever-present threat of global terrorism. It was not established to be the president’s personal militia,” Ridge said, alluding to the department’s creation after the 9/11 attacks. Ridge did say he would “welcome the opportunity to work with any federal agency to reduce crime or lawlessness in the cities” if he were governor. But “it would be a cold day in hell before I would consent to an uninvited, unilateral intervention into one of my cities,” he added, specifically calling out how the federal authorities were unwelcome in Portland.https://theweek.com/speedreads/926773/former-bush-dhs-secretary-rips-trump-treating-department-like-presidents-personal-militia
https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-napolitano-federal-agents-portland-constitution
Federal agents in Portland, Ore., must confine their law enforcement duties to the protection of federal assets and wear uniforms that identify them, Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano told “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday.
“The federal government can use federal assets to protect federal property,” Napolitano said.
“Stated differently, the Department of Homeland Security can send police into Oregon to protect a federal courthouse in Oregon, use that as an example.”
He went on to say that the federal government cannot, however, enforce the general criminal law.
“They can’t supplement or replace the police,” Napolitano explained. “They can’t go throughout the streets and say, ‘Hey, you’re committing a crime. We’re going to arrest you.’”
“They certainly can’t do what they have been doing in Oregon, which is arresting people without a warrant and without probable cause, holding them for a few hours and then letting them go,” he went on to explain. “So they have to be restrained and they have to confine their activity to the federal property.”
Napolitano offered the legal perspective the morning after Portland moms and dads marched in droves, joining downtown protesters on the 54th night of demonstrations that later swelled overnight amid escalating tensions with feds in the city, according to multiple reports.
Portland has experienced weeks of unrest following the May 25 death of George Floyd and the city’s mayor repeatedly called on President Trump to remove federal agents sent there to disperse crowds and protect federal property.
Trump has insisted that federal troops are needed to protect government assets in the city. The city’s Democrat leadership has been criticized in its response. Daryl Turner, the head of the Portland Police Association, said Sunday, “The elected officials have condoned the destruction and chaos” in the city.
State Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum claimed in court papers that masked federal officers have arrested people on the street, far from the courthouse, with no probable cause and whisked them away in unmarked cars.
MAYORS OF PORTLAND, CHICAGO, ATLANTA, OTHER BIG CITIES DEMAND ‘FEDERAL FORCES’ WITHDRAW
“Their law enforcement duties must absolutely be confined to the protection of federal assets, so says the Constitution, which leaves the general police power in the hands of the cities and states and not the federal government,” Napolitano said on Tuesday.
He also noted that federal agents “have to wear uniforms that identify them.”
“They can’t wear fatigues with a piece of tape that says ‘police.’ Why not? Because if you have an encounter with one of them, you are entitled to know the name of the human being with whom you are having an encounter,” Napolitano explained.
He added, “They can’t get in the slippery slope of gradually enforcing local law and gradually replacing police.”
dv said:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-napolitano-federal-agents-portland-constitution
Federal agents in Portland, Ore., must confine their law enforcement duties to the protection of federal assets and wear uniforms that identify them, Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano told “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday.
“The federal government can use federal assets to protect federal property,” Napolitano said.
“Stated differently, the Department of Homeland Security can send police into Oregon to protect a federal courthouse in Oregon, use that as an example.”
He went on to say that the federal government cannot, however, enforce the general criminal law.
“They can’t supplement or replace the police,” Napolitano explained. “They can’t go throughout the streets and say, ‘Hey, you’re committing a crime. We’re going to arrest you.’”
“They certainly can’t do what they have been doing in Oregon, which is arresting people without a warrant and without probable cause, holding them for a few hours and then letting them go,” he went on to explain. “So they have to be restrained and they have to confine their activity to the federal property.”
Napolitano offered the legal perspective the morning after Portland moms and dads marched in droves, joining downtown protesters on the 54th night of demonstrations that later swelled overnight amid escalating tensions with feds in the city, according to multiple reports.
Portland has experienced weeks of unrest following the May 25 death of George Floyd and the city’s mayor repeatedly called on President Trump to remove federal agents sent there to disperse crowds and protect federal property.
Trump has insisted that federal troops are needed to protect government assets in the city. The city’s Democrat leadership has been criticized in its response. Daryl Turner, the head of the Portland Police Association, said Sunday, “The elected officials have condoned the destruction and chaos” in the city.
State Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum claimed in court papers that masked federal officers have arrested people on the street, far from the courthouse, with no probable cause and whisked them away in unmarked cars.
MAYORS OF PORTLAND, CHICAGO, ATLANTA, OTHER BIG CITIES DEMAND ‘FEDERAL FORCES’ WITHDRAW
“Their law enforcement duties must absolutely be confined to the protection of federal assets, so says the Constitution, which leaves the general police power in the hands of the cities and states and not the federal government,” Napolitano said on Tuesday.
He also noted that federal agents “have to wear uniforms that identify them.”
“They can’t wear fatigues with a piece of tape that says ‘police.’ Why not? Because if you have an encounter with one of them, you are entitled to know the name of the human being with whom you are having an encounter,” Napolitano explained.
He added, “They can’t get in the slippery slope of gradually enforcing local law and gradually replacing police.”
SOmebody should be getting charged for this.
party_pants said:
dv said:https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-napolitano-federal-agents-portland-constitution
Federal agents in Portland, Ore., must confine their law enforcement duties to the protection of federal assets and wear uniforms that identify them, Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano told “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday.
“The federal government can use federal assets to protect federal property,” Napolitano said.
“Stated differently, the Department of Homeland Security can send police into Oregon to protect a federal courthouse in Oregon, use that as an example.”
He went on to say that the federal government cannot, however, enforce the general criminal law.
“They can’t supplement or replace the police,” Napolitano explained. “They can’t go throughout the streets and say, ‘Hey, you’re committing a crime. We’re going to arrest you.’”
“They certainly can’t do what they have been doing in Oregon, which is arresting people without a warrant and without probable cause, holding them for a few hours and then letting them go,” he went on to explain. “So they have to be restrained and they have to confine their activity to the federal property.”
Napolitano offered the legal perspective the morning after Portland moms and dads marched in droves, joining downtown protesters on the 54th night of demonstrations that later swelled overnight amid escalating tensions with feds in the city, according to multiple reports.
Portland has experienced weeks of unrest following the May 25 death of George Floyd and the city’s mayor repeatedly called on President Trump to remove federal agents sent there to disperse crowds and protect federal property.
Trump has insisted that federal troops are needed to protect government assets in the city. The city’s Democrat leadership has been criticized in its response. Daryl Turner, the head of the Portland Police Association, said Sunday, “The elected officials have condoned the destruction and chaos” in the city.
State Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum claimed in court papers that masked federal officers have arrested people on the street, far from the courthouse, with no probable cause and whisked them away in unmarked cars.
MAYORS OF PORTLAND, CHICAGO, ATLANTA, OTHER BIG CITIES DEMAND ‘FEDERAL FORCES’ WITHDRAW
“Their law enforcement duties must absolutely be confined to the protection of federal assets, so says the Constitution, which leaves the general police power in the hands of the cities and states and not the federal government,” Napolitano said on Tuesday.
He also noted that federal agents “have to wear uniforms that identify them.”
“They can’t wear fatigues with a piece of tape that says ‘police.’ Why not? Because if you have an encounter with one of them, you are entitled to know the name of the human being with whom you are having an encounter,” Napolitano explained.
He added, “They can’t get in the slippery slope of gradually enforcing local law and gradually replacing police.”
SOmebody should be getting charged for this.
If the states start trying to counter federal agents, Trump might decide to bring in Russian troops.

party_pants said:
dv said:https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-napolitano-federal-agents-portland-constitution
Federal agents in Portland, Ore., must confine their law enforcement duties to the protection of federal assets and wear uniforms that identify them, Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano told “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday.
SOmebody should be getting charged for this.
Of course! Mexico, we’ll make them pay!
ChrispenEvan said:
^
sarahs mum said:
ChrispenEvan said:
^
Well yeah

Russel L. Honoré is a retired lieutenant general who served as the 33rd commanding general of the U.S. First Army at Fort Gillem, Georgia. He is best known for serving as commander of Joint Task Force Katrina responsible for coordinating military relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina–affected areas across the Gulf Coast and as the 2nd Infantry Division’s commander while stationed in South Korea.
Regarding the use of federal agents in unmarked vehicles to apprehend protesters: “What kind of bullshit is this?”
https://youtu.be/6t7AMbbQUHw
Can you believe that Trump’s approval / disapproval figures were actually worse at the end of 2017.
sibeen said:
Can you believe that Trump’s approval / disapproval figures were actually worse at the end of 2017.
no.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Can you believe that Trump’s approval / disapproval figures were actually worse at the end of 2017.
no.
I mean I can’t believe it isn’t like 3 – 97 but that’s me
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Can you believe that Trump’s approval / disapproval figures were actually worse at the end of 2017.
no.
It’s actually true. Fewer people approved of him, and more disapproved, back in those halcyon days.
One thing though the reign of a US president is limited to the maximum of two terms regardless of popularity.
monkey skipper said:
One thing though the reign of a US president is limited to the maximum of two terms regardless of popularity.
Was i foolish to buy all those Hawaiian shirts then?
Witty Rejoinder said:
monkey skipper said:
One thing though the reign of a US president is limited to the maximum of two terms regardless of popularity.
Was i foolish to buy all those Hawaiian shirts then?
I don’t understand
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
monkey skipper said:
One thing though the reign of a US president is limited to the maximum of two terms regardless of popularity.
Was i foolish to buy all those Hawaiian shirts then?
I don’t understand
They are often identified by their attire of Hawaiian shirts and military fatigues, and are heavily armed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement
Washington (CNN)The billionaire NFL owner who serves as President Donald Trump’s ambassador to the United Kingdom was investigated by the State Department watchdog after allegations that he made racist and sexist comments to staff and sought to use his government position to benefit the President’s personal business in the UK, multiple sources told CNN.
Robert Wood “Woody” Johnson, the top envoy since August 2017 to one of the United States’ most important allies, made racist generalizations about Black men and questioned why the Black community celebrates Black History Month, according to exclusive new information shared with CNN by three sources and a diplomat familiar with the complaints to the State Department inspector general.
His comments about women’s looks have been “cringeworthy,” a source with knowledge of the situation said, and two sources said it was a struggle to get him on board for an event for International Women’s Day.
“He’s said some pretty sexist, racist,” things, the diplomat with knowledge of the complaints made to the IG said of Johnson, an heir to the Johnson & Johnson fortune and one of the owners of the New York Jets.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/22/politics/woody-johnson-oig-report/index.html
Donald Trump, the president of the United States, has insisted that a cognitive test he took recently was “difficult”, using the example of a question in which the patient is asked to remember and repeat five words.
“Person, woman, man, camera, TV,” Trump explained, saying that listing the words in order was worth “extra points”, and that he found the task easy.
“They said nobody gets it in order, it’s actually not that easy. But for me it was easy. And that’s not an easy question,” he told Fox news medical analyst and New York University professor of medicine Marc K Siegel.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/23/person-woman-man-camera-tv-trump-insists-cognition-test-was-difficult?CMP=soc_567
dv said:
Donald Trump, the president of the United States, has insisted that a cognitive test he took recently was “difficult”, using the example of a question in which the patient is asked to remember and repeat five words.“Person, woman, man, camera, TV,” Trump explained, saying that listing the words in order was worth “extra points”, and that he found the task easy.
“They said nobody gets it in order, it’s actually not that easy. But for me it was easy. And that’s not an easy question,” he told Fox news medical analyst and New York University professor of medicine Marc K Siegel.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/23/person-woman-man-camera-tv-trump-insists-cognition-test-was-difficult?CMP=soc_567
FWIW here’s the exam paper. Not exactly rocket surgery
Got a question:
Suncorp Insurance runs an ad which shows a claims team of three ladies who helped out when Townsville flooded.
At the end, they show the actual three ladies who were in Townsville. The three in the flood centre scenes were actors.
Why could the three actual ladies not play themselves in the ad?
I mean, maybe they just didn’t want to, thanks anyway.
But, could it be something like e.g. they’re not in Actors Equity. Or something?
>They said nobody gets it in order
No they didn’t. Reciting five simple words in the order presented a moment ago ought to be very easy, which is why it’s in a test for serious cognitive impairment.
Sorry about the wrong thread thing.
Bubblecar said:
>They said nobody gets it in orderNo they didn’t. Reciting five simple words in the order presented a moment ago ought to be very easy, which is why it’s in a test for serious cognitive impairment.
Well, if he did get it right, that’s the first good news i’ve heard about him.
the sad thing is that he passed the test and was not immediately removed from office due to incapacity.
party_pants said:
the sad thing is that he passed the test and was not immediately removed from office due to incapacity.
Could that have happened?
party_pants said:
the sad thing is that he passed the test and was not immediately removed from office due to incapacity.
Well, he says he passed it. He might not even have done it.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
the sad thing is that he passed the test and was not immediately removed from office due to incapacity.
Well, he says he passed it. He might not even have done it.
Bone spurs acting up again?
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
the sad thing is that he passed the test and was not immediately removed from office due to incapacity.
Could that have happened?
The cabinet can remove a president if they think he is unable to perform the duties of the office. Majority decision I think.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
the sad thing is that he passed the test and was not immediately removed from office due to incapacity.
Could that have happened?
Yes. There is an amendment for it. It is voted on by the Vice President and the cabinet, so no need to go before Congress.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
the sad thing is that he passed the test and was not immediately removed from office due to incapacity.
Could that have happened?
The cabinet can remove a president if they think he is unable to perform the duties of the office. Majority decision I think.
Well, that would have been an interesting meeting.
My woodworking skills will never approach this.
captain_spalding said:
My woodworking skills will never approach this.
Bum! i did it again!
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:Could that have happened?
The cabinet can remove a president if they think he is unable to perform the duties of the office. Majority decision I think.
Well, that would have been an interesting meeting.
It’s a bit of a … interesting thing that he did the test in the first place. Are all other presidents routinely made to do a dementia test I wonder??

Classified Status Hides Fired IG Report On Trump Golf Club Scheme | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxSbVIUioaI
‘Ask Prince Andrew’ about Epstein’s ‘cesspool’ isle, Trump said in 2015
US President Donald Trump told reporters to “ask Prince Andrew” when questioned about what went on at Jeffrey Epstein’s “cesspool” private island, in a newly unearthed interview.
The US president was asked back in 2015 about Epstein and the alleged sexual abuse that took place on Little St James, the Caribbean island owned by the disgraced financier who died in a prison cell in August last year.
“That island was really a cesspool, there’s no question about it, just ask Prince Andrew – he’ll tell you about it,” Trump told journalists shortly before he entered the presidential race. “The island was an absolute cesspool.”
However, Trump claimed in a press briefing on Tuesday: “I don’t know the situation with Prince Andrew. Just don’t know, not aware of it,” he said as he wished Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s longtime associate and former girlfriend, well.
The president was asked whether he thought Maxwell, who was arrested earlier this month on sex-trafficking charges, was “going to turn-in powerful men”.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300064166/ask-prince-andrew-about-epsteins-cesspool-isle-trump-said-in-2015
dv said:
‘Ask Prince Andrew’ about Epstein’s ‘cesspool’ isle, Trump said in 2015US President Donald Trump told reporters to “ask Prince Andrew” when questioned about what went on at Jeffrey Epstein’s “cesspool” private island, in a newly unearthed interview.
The US president was asked back in 2015 about Epstein and the alleged sexual abuse that took place on Little St James, the Caribbean island owned by the disgraced financier who died in a prison cell in August last year.
“That island was really a cesspool, there’s no question about it, just ask Prince Andrew – he’ll tell you about it,” Trump told journalists shortly before he entered the presidential race. “The island was an absolute cesspool.”
However, Trump claimed in a press briefing on Tuesday: “I don’t know the situation with Prince Andrew. Just don’t know, not aware of it,” he said as he wished Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s longtime associate and former girlfriend, well.
The president was asked whether he thought Maxwell, who was arrested earlier this month on sex-trafficking charges, was “going to turn-in powerful men”.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300064166/ask-prince-andrew-about-epsteins-cesspool-isle-trump-said-in-2015
but isn’t that a marker of goodness, even Trump has a grain of integrity, even Trump considers Epstein Island a cesspool, maybe it was the swamp he wanted to drain
dv said:
‘Ask Prince Andrew’ about Epstein’s ‘cesspool’ isle, Trump said in 2015US President Donald Trump told reporters to “ask Prince Andrew” when questioned about what went on at Jeffrey Epstein’s “cesspool” private island, in a newly unearthed interview.
The US president was asked back in 2015 about Epstein and the alleged sexual abuse that took place on Little St James, the Caribbean island owned by the disgraced financier who died in a prison cell in August last year.
“That island was really a cesspool, there’s no question about it, just ask Prince Andrew – he’ll tell you about it,” Trump told journalists shortly before he entered the presidential race. “The island was an absolute cesspool.”
However, Trump claimed in a press briefing on Tuesday: “I don’t know the situation with Prince Andrew. Just don’t know, not aware of it,” he said as he wished Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s longtime associate and former girlfriend, well.
The president was asked whether he thought Maxwell, who was arrested earlier this month on sex-trafficking charges, was “going to turn-in powerful men”.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300064166/ask-prince-andrew-about-epsteins-cesspool-isle-trump-said-in-2015
I kind of hope she sings like a canary
dv said:
I’ve no idea what that’s all about, but I won’t say anything.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’ve no idea what that’s all about, but I won’t say anything.
I regret to inform you that you’ve said something.

I got a lobster that says Rev won’t get this ref either.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’ve no idea what that’s all about, but I won’t say anything.
I regret to inform you that you’ve said something.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’ve no idea what that’s all about, but I won’t say anything.
It’s nearly over, it’s been a rough four years for DV and he’s badly scarred and a little unbalanced.
I reckon with rest and understanding he’ll come good once it’s all over.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’ve no idea what that’s all about, but I won’t say anything.
I regret to inform you that you’ve said something.
Good old Planxty
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:I regret to inform you that you’ve said something.
Good old Planxty
Did you listen to 0:42?
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’ve no idea what that’s all about, but I won’t say anything.
It’s nearly over, it’s been a rough four years for DV and he’s badly scarred and a little unbalanced.
I reckon with rest and understanding he’ll come good once it’s all over.
Hopefully. We haven’t yet seen what it will take to wrench him and his family from the whitehouse.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Good old Planxty
Did you listen to 0:42?
Yes I did.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Good old Planxty
Did you listen to 0:42?
Yes I did.
Well I knew you would :)
Peak Warming Man said:
It’s nearly over, it’s been a rough four years for DV and he’s badly scarred and a little unbalanced.
I reckon with rest and understanding he’ll come good once it’s all over.
Thank you for your kind and optimistic words
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’ve no idea what that’s all about, but I won’t say anything.
It’s nearly over, it’s been a rough four years for DV and he’s badly scarred and a little unbalanced.
I reckon with rest and understanding he’ll come good once it’s all over.
Hopefully. We haven’t yet seen what it will take to wrench him and his family from the whitehouse.
A fire hose
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s nearly over, it’s been a rough four years for DV and he’s badly scarred and a little unbalanced.
I reckon with rest and understanding he’ll come good once it’s all over.
Hopefully. We haven’t yet seen what it will take to wrench him and his family from the whitehouse.
A fire hose
Clear the swamp. ;)
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Good old Planxty
Did you listen to 0:42?
Yeah yeah
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:Hopefully. We haven’t yet seen what it will take to wrench him and his family from the whitehouse.
A fire hose
Clear the swamp. ;)
White house staff “As you can see Mr president they left quite a mess, never quite seen anything like it, the inhumanity”
Biden “Burn it all, we’ll start again”
I have mixed feelings about this.
But nonetheless it is an interesting ruling.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/judge-finds-michael-cohen-s-return-prison-retaliatory-orders-his-n1234712
A federal judge on Thursday ordered the release of Michael Cohen to home confinement, agreeing with his lawyers that he was wrongly sent back to prison after making public statements critical of President Donald Trump.
Cohen should be released by 2 p.m. Friday, the judge said.
Cohen’s lawyers said during a telephone hearing that prison officials violated his constitutional right of free expression on July 9 by ending his home confinement and returning him to the federal penitentiary in Otisville, New York, after the longtime Trump fixer and confidant said a book about his experiences working closely with the president would be published in the fall.
In a statement, Cohen’s lawyer Danya Perry called the order “a victory for the First Amendment,” adding, “We appreciate the Judge’s ruling confirming that the government cannot block Mr. Cohen from publishing a book critical of the president as a condition of his release to home confinement.”
“This principle transcends politics and we are gratified that the rule of law prevails,” Perry said.

captain_spalding said:
against which group
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
against which group
Yeah, 4 & 6 seem a bit hows your father.
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
against which group
Yeah, 4 & 6 seem a bit hows your father.
True.
The relevance may, unfortunately, only become obvious in retrospect.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
against which group
Well we’ll start off with blacks but we’re really after the global elites; principally rich financiers, media owners etc. Okay Jews. It’s all about the Jews
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
against which group
Well we’ll start off with blacks but we’re really after the global elites; principally rich financiers, media owners etc. Okay Jews. It’s all about the Jews
Dues. It’s all about the dues.
The Lincoln Project
397K subscribers
Maxwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo1lDJrZKx8
sarahs mum said:
The Lincoln Project
397K subscribersMaxwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo1lDJrZKx8
I posted this earlier in the election thread, sm. Not having a go at you in any way.
I posted in that thread that I think this is a ‘stupid ad’.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:The Lincoln Project
397K subscribersMaxwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo1lDJrZKx8
I posted this earlier in the election thread, sm. Not having a go at you in any way.
I posted in that thread that I think this is a ‘stupid ad’.
I’m sorry. I have not caught up on tonight.
I don’t find it outrageous.
captain_spalding said:
I’m not going to agree with that. That’s specifically Nazi and bears no relation to, for example, genocide in Rwanda or Lambing flat.
There are four steps in active genocide. eg. Hutu persecution of Tutsi.
In Rwanda, active genocide was followed by reactive genocide. Tutsi persecution of Hutu. There are four steps.

sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:The Lincoln Project
397K subscribersMaxwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo1lDJrZKx8
I posted this earlier in the election thread, sm. Not having a go at you in any way.
I posted in that thread that I think this is a ‘stupid ad’.
I think it’s fine
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-25/the-lincoln-project-is-trying-to-troll-donald-trump/12488902
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-25/the-lincoln-project-is-trying-to-troll-donald-trump/12488902
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-25/the-lincoln-project-is-trying-to-troll-donald-trump/12488902
Flogging a dead horse. Hasn’t anyone told them Lincoln’s dead?
A good source of renewable energy would be to attached a turbine to Lincoln in his grave.
dv said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-25/the-lincoln-project-is-trying-to-troll-donald-trump/12488902
Flogging a dead horse. Hasn’t anyone told them Lincoln’s dead?A good source of renewable energy would be to attached a turbine to Lincoln in his grave.

dv said:
Looks more like Person, boobs, man, camera, TV.
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-25/the-lincoln-project-is-trying-to-troll-donald-trump/12488902
Flogging a dead horse. Hasn’t anyone told them Lincoln’s dead?
Ha!
dv said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-25/the-lincoln-project-is-trying-to-troll-donald-trump/12488902
Flogging a dead horse. Hasn’t anyone told them Lincoln’s dead?A good source of renewable energy would be to attached a turbine to Lincoln in his grave.
LOL


captain_spalding said:
Looks like some drifting fairy floss has been caught by his head and is held there against its will.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
That line again.

captain_spalding said:
Didn’t we do this one yesterday?
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Didn’t we do this one yesterday?
Yes but he’s spotted another elephant.



captain_spalding said:
That’s a bit of an old photo with Ryan in the background. Isn’t there something more up to date.
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
That’s a bit of an old photo with Ryan in the background. Isn’t there something more up to date.
Yes. But i like it.
A hit. A very palpable hit.

(sorry if it’s been seen before)
captain_spalding said:
A hit. A very palpable hit.
(sorry if it’s been seen before)
Brutal.
captain_spalding said:
A hit. A very palpable hit.
(sorry if it’s been seen before)
Should be
I like standing here holding up signs
We were on a cruise ship (yeah, that’s right, bitch, a cruse ship, we tough, yeah) and one of the bands was rehearsing, talking in their breaks to some teens who were watching on.
The band were from Canada. The guitarist asked the kids what they knew about Canadian music.
One said ‘uummm…Nickelback’.
‘Ah, yes, Nickelback’, said the guitarist, ‘everything that’s wrong about Canadian music today.’
Sooner or later, liking Nickleback is going to be the new cool.
party_pants said:
Sooner or later, liking Nickleback is going to be the new cool.
I’ll put my money on ‘later’.
Mary Trump, niece and author of the latest expose on Donald Trump is interviewed on ’60 Minutes’ tonight on Channel 9
Trump seems the correct maturity demographic to watch Paw Patrol, it’s a huge hit with toddlers and preschoolers.
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/07/president-trump-paw-patrol-canceled-not-cancelled-1234576206/
Divine Angel said:
Trump seems the correct maturity demographic to watch Paw Patrol, it’s a huge hit with toddlers and preschoolers.https://www.indiewire.com/2020/07/president-trump-paw-patrol-canceled-not-cancelled-1234576206/
Is mini-me still a fan or does she now think it’s too babyish?
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:
Trump seems the correct maturity demographic to watch Paw Patrol, it’s a huge hit with toddlers and preschoolers.https://www.indiewire.com/2020/07/president-trump-paw-patrol-canceled-not-cancelled-1234576206/
Is mini-me still a fan or does she now think it’s too babyish?
She still watches it.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Mary Trump, niece and author of the latest expose on Donald Trump is interviewed on ’60 Minutes’ tonight on Channel 9
Got that on my Kindle. Should start it.
New Lincoln Project ad – it’s shit
“Most counties stopped it. Trump refused, it’s Trump’s virus now…”
The above is pretty stupid. There’s lots of countries that didn’t stop it, or haven’t stopped it.
sibeen said:
New Lincoln Project ad – it’s shit“Most counties stopped it. Trump refused, it’s Trump’s virus now…”
The above is pretty stupid. There’s lots of countries that didn’t stop it, or haven’t stopped it.
Truth in political advertising is very rare. Besides, many in the US wouldn’t have a clue what goes on outside their own country.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
New Lincoln Project ad – it’s shit“Most counties stopped it. Trump refused, it’s Trump’s virus now…”
The above is pretty stupid. There’s lots of countries that didn’t stop it, or haven’t stopped it.
Truth in political advertising is very rare. Besides, many in the US wouldn’t have a clue what goes on outside their own country.
Quite a few of them may have an inkling about what is in their constitution and be well aware that Trump could have ordered a nationwide lockdown and the governors could have told him to go piss up a rope.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
New Lincoln Project ad – it’s shit“Most counties stopped it. Trump refused, it’s Trump’s virus now…”
The above is pretty stupid. There’s lots of countries that didn’t stop it, or haven’t stopped it.
Truth in political advertising is very rare. Besides, many in the US wouldn’t have a clue what goes on outside their own country.
Quite a few of them may have an inkling about what is in their constitution and be well aware that Trump could have ordered a nationwide lockdown and the governors could have told him to go piss up a rope.
Nah. It’s like the Bible: they all claim to believe in it but very few are really aware of what it actually says.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
New Lincoln Project ad – it’s shit“Most counties stopped it. Trump refused, it’s Trump’s virus now…”
The above is pretty stupid. There’s lots of countries that didn’t stop it, or haven’t stopped it.
Truth in political advertising is very rare. Besides, many in the US wouldn’t have a clue what goes on outside their own country.
Quite a few of them may have an inkling about what is in their constitution and be well aware that Trump could have ordered a nationwide lockdown and the governors could have told him to go piss up a rope.
My big gripe is that you don’t need to tell lies about Trump. Tell the complete truth. That’s all that is required. Don’t give his side the slightest bit of ammunition. Just tell the truth.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
New Lincoln Project ad – it’s shit“Most counties stopped it. Trump refused, it’s Trump’s virus now…”
The above is pretty stupid. There’s lots of countries that didn’t stop it, or haven’t stopped it.
Truth in political advertising is very rare. Besides, many in the US wouldn’t have a clue what goes on outside their own country.
Quite a few of them may have an inkling about what is in their constitution and be well aware that Trump could have ordered a nationwide lockdown and the governors could have told him to go piss up a rope.
My big gripe is that you don’t need to tell lies about Trump. Tell the complete truth. That’s all that is required. Don’t give his side the slightest bit of ammunition. Just tell the truth.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Truth in political advertising is very rare. Besides, many in the US wouldn’t have a clue what goes on outside their own country.
Quite a few of them may have an inkling about what is in their constitution and be well aware that Trump could have ordered a nationwide lockdown and the governors could have told him to go piss up a rope.
My big gripe is that you don’t need to tell lies about Trump. Tell the complete truth. That’s all that is required. Don’t give his side the slightest bit of ammunition. Just tell the truth.
fair
“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak. As being spit on by the rest of the world.”
dv said:
“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak. As being spit on by the rest of the world.”
There seems to be a warped perception somewhere in there.
dv said:
“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak. As being spit on by the rest of the world.”
Jaysus, who said that?
sibeen said:
dv said:
“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak. As being spit on by the rest of the world.”Jaysus, who said that?
sibeen said:
dv said:
“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak. As being spit on by the rest of the world.”Jaysus, who said that?
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-praised-china-tiananmen-foreshadowing-response-to-george-floyd-protests-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
fsm said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak. As being spit on by the rest of the world.”Jaysus, who said that?
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-praised-china-tiananmen-foreshadowing-response-to-george-floyd-protests-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
Ta
fsm said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak. As being spit on by the rest of the world.”Jaysus, who said that?
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-praised-china-tiananmen-foreshadowing-response-to-george-floyd-protests-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
Well, that’s a tricky situation now. China have officially declared it a non-incident. They will be insulted, even if someone praises them for doing it.
party_pants said:
Well, that’s a tricky situation now. China have officially declared it a non-incident. They will be insulted, even if someone praises them for doing it.
Yeah, it’s hard to accept praise for something that you say never happened.
sibeen said:
dv said:
“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak. As being spit on by the rest of the world.”Jaysus, who said that?
LMBTFY
Allegedly Donald Trump said it in 1990.
party_pants said:
fsm said:
sibeen said:Jaysus, who said that?
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-praised-china-tiananmen-foreshadowing-response-to-george-floyd-protests-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
Well, that’s a tricky situation now. China have officially declared it a non-incident. They will be insulted, even if someone praises them for doing it.
That would be the best… Xi and Trunt doing a presser together and the latter heaping praise on their Tiananmen square response.
fsm said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak. As being spit on by the rest of the world.”Jaysus, who said that?
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-praised-china-tiananmen-foreshadowing-response-to-george-floyd-protests-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
Just in case you thought DJT only recently turned into an ammoral deranged sociopathic ghoul
dv said:
party_pants said:
fsm said:https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-praised-china-tiananmen-foreshadowing-response-to-george-floyd-protests-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
Well, that’s a tricky situation now. China have officially declared it a non-incident. They will be insulted, even if someone praises them for doing it.
That would be the best… Xi and Trunt doing a presser together and the latter heaping praise on their Tiananmen square response.
Hopefully after both of them have left office.
BTW – have you noticed that the US have stopped refer to Xi as the President of China, and now refer to him as “General Secretary”? It was pointed out to me a few days ago that Pompeo has started doing this in his statements on China. I had not noticed, but I am alert for it now, let’s see if it is true.
party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Well, that’s a tricky situation now. China have officially declared it a non-incident. They will be insulted, even if someone praises them for doing it.
That would be the best… Xi and Trunt doing a presser together and the latter heaping praise on their Tiananmen square response.
Hopefully after both of them have left office.
BTW – have you noticed that the US have stopped refer to Xi as the President of China, and now refer to him as “General Secretary”? It was pointed out to me a few days ago that Pompeo has started doing this in his statements on China. I had not noticed, but I am alert for it now, let’s see if it is true.
I had not noticed but he does hold both titles
How to elements of bathrooms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGHzK7PQqCs
I’d missed this gem
First Lady Melania Trump // “I can do all things through Christ”
615,541 views
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Z8D-IwZWo
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While I was watching that I thought she would cast well for Natasha in a Rocky and Bullwinkle remake.
https://youtu.be/wd0VU1ebTUM
Axios’s Jonathon Swan interviews Trump regarding Russia.
Kind of amazing even by DJT’s standards.
(CNN)With six months left on his first term in office, President Donald Trump has said more than 20,000 things that aren’t true, according to the Washington Post’s Fact Checker team.
Which is stunning — a mountain of exaggerations, half-truths and outright falsehoods constructed by the President as he seeks to invalidate the very notion of facts and truth.
But, the breadth of Trump’s commitment to mistruth isn’t even the most incredible — or scary — part of the Post’s new report. That honor goes to this:
“The notion that Trump would exceed 20,000 claims before he finished his term appeared ludicrous when The Fact Checker started this project during the president’s first 100 days in office. In that time, Trump averaged fewer than five claims a day, which would have added up to about 7,000 claims in a four-year presidential term. But the tsunami of untruths just keeps looming larger and larger.”
As the Post notes, it took Trump 827 days to get to 10,000 “false and misleading claims.” He got to 20,000 in just 440 days, meaning that between over that 14-month period, the President of the United States said 23 things a day that weren’t factually accurate.
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Planet America made the point that even when Trump had favourable news to report, like on the economy pre Covid 19, he exaggerated biggly.
President Trump tweeted out a suggestion that the 2020 election should be delayed as he claims to have concerns over mail-in voter fraud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss3njbUNkkU
sarahs mum said:
President Trump tweeted out a suggestion that the 2020 election should be delayed as he claims to have concerns over mail-in voter fraud.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss3njbUNkkU
Yeah. I wouldn’t be at all concerned. Their constitution has survived, and it will survive this.
With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote??? — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 30, 2020
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
President Trump tweeted out a suggestion that the 2020 election should be delayed as he claims to have concerns over mail-in voter fraud.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss3njbUNkkU
Yeah. I wouldn’t be at all concerned. Their constitution has survived, and it will survive this.
I do hope so.
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1598392
Subject: re: July Chat
The New York Times
2 mins ·
Breaking News: Herman Cain has died at 74. A businessman and former presidential candidate, he had been hospitalized with the coronavirus.
Just moved this across to another thread, sm.
This may be the nail in the coffin for Trump. Cain was very well known and respected within the Republicans.
https://politicaltribune.org/in-the-midst-of-a-recession-trump-is-reportedly-asking-for-377-million-to-renovate-the-west-wing-of-the-white-house/
sibeen said:
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1598392
Subject: re: July Chat
The New York Times2 mins ·
Breaking News: Herman Cain has died at 74. A businessman and former presidential candidate, he had been hospitalized with the coronavirus.Just moved this across to another thread, sm.
This may be the nail in the coffin for Trump. Cain was very well known and respected within the Republicans.
He’s the turkey that danced around at the Tulsa Oklahoma rally, claimed that 16,000 people were there, and that Covid-19 was a hoax.
sarahs mum said:
President Trump tweeted out a suggestion that the 2020 election should be delayed as he claims to have concerns over mail-in voter fraud.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss3njbUNkkU
Doesn’t he realise that no voting booths can be open unless the voters turn up in masks?
sarahs mum said:
With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote??? — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 30, 2020https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975
He’s worried because voting by mail is not something that the Russians can rig so easily for him.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote??? — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 30, 2020https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975
He’s worried because voting by mail is not something that the Russians can rig so easily for him.
By the time of the election, masks will be mandatory at polling booths.
America’s voting system to facing its reckoning in November
Matthew Knott
By Matthew Knott
July 31, 2020 — 11.08am
Washington: No, Donald Trump can’t delay the November 3 presidential election – despite his tweet floating the idea.
Like his demands for state governors to re-open their economies and his threats to strip funding from schools that refuse to re-open for in-person learning, Trump doesn’t have the authority to change the election date.
Only the US Congress – currently jointly controlled by Democrats and Republicans – can do that.
As remarkable as Trump’s suggestion was, the date of the election is one of the last things people should be concerned about.
Far more disturbing was the rest of Trump’s tweet, in which he said that the expected surge in popularity of voting-by-mail will make it the most “INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT” election in US history.
He later stood at the White House podium and said he believed the election would be “fraudulent”, fixed” and “rigged”.
With less than three months to go until election day, the warning signs are flashing red that America risks an electoral meltdown that could eclipse the Gore-Bush fiasco of 2000.
That year the big problems – defective punch-card ballots, a controversial recount and a Supreme Court battle – were limited to one state. And the loser, Gore, accepted the legitimacy of the result.
Neither of those factors can be guaranteed this time around. Real and perceived electoral malfunctions could cast doubt on the accuracy of the results in a bunch of competitive states.
Trump has already said that he may not accept the outcome if it’s one he doesn’t like.
One of the most demoralising aspects of American democracy is that the voting process itself – not just the competing policy ideas of the rival parties – is so partisan and contested.
A United State Postal Service carrier picks up a package in one of the neighborhoods in
Voting rules differ wildly from state to state, and elections are run by politicians with blatant conflicts of interest. As a general rule, Democrats favour relaxed rules, believing they benefit from big voter turnout. Republicans are more likely to enact strict voter ID laws, the theory being they will deter young and minority voters from showing up.
Huge purges of the electoral rolls and lengthy waiting times are common each election cycle.
The coronavirus pandemic – coupled with Trump’s willingness to shatter democratic norms – threaten to turbocharge the existing flaws in America’s electoral system.
“If Congress and states don’t act immediately, our country could face an electoral Chernobyl this fall,” Democratic congressman Ron Wyden warned in June.
Four Republican election officials wrote in Politico this week: “Without necessary additional funding from Congress, we run the risk of delayed or contested election results, long lines and crowding that threaten the safety of voters and poll workers, and limited voting access to rural voters, seniors and veterans.”
These worries are not just theoretical.
We’ve already seen stark evidence of the chaos that could be coming in November.
In the April primaries in Wisconsin, there was a huge drop in the number of poll workers willing to show up to administer the elections because of COVID-19 concerns. This led to a massive reduction in the number of polling places and, in turn, longer than usual lines.
In Milwaukee, the state’s biggest city, the number of polling places dropped from 180 to just five.
Election officials in New York this week released the final results for their state’s primary – five weeks after election day. The huge delay was caused by a surge in mail-in ballots, a trend that is expected to be replicated in November as people opt to stay away from crowded places.
There is no evidence to support Trump’s claim that mail-in voting is susceptible to widespread fraud. There’s not even compelling evidence suggesting it benefits Democrats over Republicans.
Voting by mail has been commonplace and uncontroversial for years in many US states.
Yet the issue has become polarised: 50 per cent of Democrats say they intend to vote by mail in November compared to just 20 per cent of Republicans, a stark divide that could have dramatic consequences.
Election analyst Dave Wasserman has pointed out that absentee ballots are rejected at higher rates than those cast in person. Studies show that younger voters and voters of colour, usually reliable Democrats, are much more likely to cast mail ballots that are rejected. This could be a big problem in states where voters and election officials are unaccustomed to postal voting.
Mail ballots also take longer to count, meaning the result may not be known until well after polling day.
This would allow Trump, if he thinks he is losing, to discredit the results and challenge them in the courts – a tactic he previewed on Thursday (Friday AEST). “I don’t want to have to wait for three months and then find out the ballots are all missing and the election doesn’t mean anything,” Trump said.
If the ballots of Democratic voters are rejected en masse they could launch their own legal challenge.
It’s a certainty that the election will take place on November 3. Whether the legitimacy of the results is accepted by Americans across the political spectrum is far less assured.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/america-s-voting-system-to-facing-its-reckoning-in-november-20200731-p55h6h.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
America’s voting system to facing its reckoning in November
Matthew Knott
By Matthew Knott
July 31, 2020 — 11.08amWashington: No, Donald Trump can’t delay the November 3 presidential election – despite his tweet floating the idea.
Like his demands for state governors to re-open their economies and his threats to strip funding from schools that refuse to re-open for in-person learning, Trump doesn’t have the authority to change the election date.
Only the US Congress – currently jointly controlled by Democrats and Republicans – can do that.
As remarkable as Trump’s suggestion was, the date of the election is one of the last things people should be concerned about.
Far more disturbing was the rest of Trump’s tweet, in which he said that the expected surge in popularity of voting-by-mail will make it the most “INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT” election in US history.
He later stood at the White House podium and said he believed the election would be “fraudulent”, fixed” and “rigged”.
With less than three months to go until election day, the warning signs are flashing red that America risks an electoral meltdown that could eclipse the Gore-Bush fiasco of 2000.
That year the big problems – defective punch-card ballots, a controversial recount and a Supreme Court battle – were limited to one state. And the loser, Gore, accepted the legitimacy of the result.
Neither of those factors can be guaranteed this time around. Real and perceived electoral malfunctions could cast doubt on the accuracy of the results in a bunch of competitive states.
Trump has already said that he may not accept the outcome if it’s one he doesn’t like.
One of the most demoralising aspects of American democracy is that the voting process itself – not just the competing policy ideas of the rival parties – is so partisan and contested.
A United State Postal Service carrier picks up a package in one of the neighborhoods in
Voting rules differ wildly from state to state, and elections are run by politicians with blatant conflicts of interest. As a general rule, Democrats favour relaxed rules, believing they benefit from big voter turnout. Republicans are more likely to enact strict voter ID laws, the theory being they will deter young and minority voters from showing up.
Huge purges of the electoral rolls and lengthy waiting times are common each election cycle.
The coronavirus pandemic – coupled with Trump’s willingness to shatter democratic norms – threaten to turbocharge the existing flaws in America’s electoral system.
“If Congress and states don’t act immediately, our country could face an electoral Chernobyl this fall,” Democratic congressman Ron Wyden warned in June.
Four Republican election officials wrote in Politico this week: “Without necessary additional funding from Congress, we run the risk of delayed or contested election results, long lines and crowding that threaten the safety of voters and poll workers, and limited voting access to rural voters, seniors and veterans.”
These worries are not just theoretical.
We’ve already seen stark evidence of the chaos that could be coming in November.
In the April primaries in Wisconsin, there was a huge drop in the number of poll workers willing to show up to administer the elections because of COVID-19 concerns. This led to a massive reduction in the number of polling places and, in turn, longer than usual lines.
In Milwaukee, the state’s biggest city, the number of polling places dropped from 180 to just five.
Election officials in New York this week released the final results for their state’s primary – five weeks after election day. The huge delay was caused by a surge in mail-in ballots, a trend that is expected to be replicated in November as people opt to stay away from crowded places.
There is no evidence to support Trump’s claim that mail-in voting is susceptible to widespread fraud. There’s not even compelling evidence suggesting it benefits Democrats over Republicans.
Voting by mail has been commonplace and uncontroversial for years in many US states.
Yet the issue has become polarised: 50 per cent of Democrats say they intend to vote by mail in November compared to just 20 per cent of Republicans, a stark divide that could have dramatic consequences.
Election analyst Dave Wasserman has pointed out that absentee ballots are rejected at higher rates than those cast in person. Studies show that younger voters and voters of colour, usually reliable Democrats, are much more likely to cast mail ballots that are rejected. This could be a big problem in states where voters and election officials are unaccustomed to postal voting.
Mail ballots also take longer to count, meaning the result may not be known until well after polling day.
This would allow Trump, if he thinks he is losing, to discredit the results and challenge them in the courts – a tactic he previewed on Thursday (Friday AEST). “I don’t want to have to wait for three months and then find out the ballots are all missing and the election doesn’t mean anything,” Trump said.
If the ballots of Democratic voters are rejected en masse they could launch their own legal challenge.
It’s a certainty that the election will take place on November 3. Whether the legitimacy of the results is accepted by Americans across the political spectrum is far less assured.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/america-s-voting-system-to-facing-its-reckoning-in-november-20200731-p55h6h.html
and his supporters have their guns out.
It’s kind of ridic that the president gets 2.5 months in office after leaving the election. A lot of damage can be done in that time. Maybe they should look at that…
dv said:
It’s kind of ridic that the president gets 2.5 months in office after leaving the election. A lot of damage can be done in that time. Maybe they should look at that…
Maybe they should.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
It’s kind of ridic that the president gets 2.5 months in office after leaving the election. A lot of damage can be done in that time. Maybe they should look at that…
Maybe they should.
Yeah. There are many well overdue “shoulds” for US electoral reform. Like moving it to a fucking Saturday for starters.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
It’s kind of ridic that the president gets 2.5 months in office after leaving the election. A lot of damage can be done in that time. Maybe they should look at that…
Maybe they should.
Yeah. There are many well overdue “shoulds” for US electoral reform. Like moving it to a fucking Saturday for starters.
Tamb said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Maybe they should.
Yeah. There are many well overdue “shoulds” for US electoral reform. Like moving it to a fucking Saturday for starters.
And compulsory voting.
Australians have compulsory voting and mostly elect right-wing conservative governments, federally.
I’d imagine with compulsory voting in the US, Trump-types would be in permanent control.
Bubblecar said:
Tamb said:
party_pants said:Yeah. There are many well overdue “shoulds” for US electoral reform. Like moving it to a fucking Saturday for starters.
And compulsory voting.
Australians have compulsory voting and mostly elect right-wing conservative governments, federally.
I’d imagine with compulsory voting in the US, Trump-types would be in permanent control.
Federally you could perhaps make that case but less so at the state level. Also Labor’s debacle when last in power federally should probably best be seen as an outlier.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Tamb said:And compulsory voting.
Australians have compulsory voting and mostly elect right-wing conservative governments, federally.
I’d imagine with compulsory voting in the US, Trump-types would be in permanent control.
Federally you could perhaps make that case but less so at the state level. Also Labor’s debacle when last in power federally should probably best be seen as an outlier.
That paragraph is about Australian politics.
In countries where voting is voluntary, most of those who don’t vote tend to be politically ignorant types who don’t care about politics anyway.
In Oz, those people feel they have to vote, but they remain just as ignorant and apathetic.
“S’pose I have to vote fer one o’the mongrels, they’re all the same. Not votin’ for Shorten though, I dun’ like his face.”
Bubblecar said:
In countries where voting is voluntary, most of those who don’t vote tend to be politically ignorant types who don’t care about politics anyway.In Oz, those people feel they have to vote, but they remain just as ignorant and apathetic.
“S’pose I have to vote fer one o’the mongrels, they’re all the same. Not votin’ for Shorten though, I dun’ like his face.”
Apathy is best countered with education within the confines of compulsory voting IMO.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
In countries where voting is voluntary, most of those who don’t vote tend to be politically ignorant types who don’t care about politics anyway.In Oz, those people feel they have to vote, but they remain just as ignorant and apathetic.
“S’pose I have to vote fer one o’the mongrels, they’re all the same. Not votin’ for Shorten though, I dun’ like his face.”
Apathy is best countered with education within the confines of compulsory voting IMO.
Hasn’t worked here, why on Earth would it work in ‘Murica?
Bubblecar said:
In countries where voting is voluntary, most of those who don’t vote tend to be politically ignorant types who don’t care about politics anyway.In Oz, those people feel they have to vote, but they remain just as ignorant and apathetic.
“S’pose I have to vote fer one o’the mongrels, they’re all the same. Not votin’ for Shorten though, I dun’ like his face.”
Nah, most of them just vote for the same team each time around. It is like the “Christians” whi have never been inside a church since they were infants but still dutifully put themselves down as Catholic or Anglican because they were christened in such a church.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
In countries where voting is voluntary, most of those who don’t vote tend to be politically ignorant types who don’t care about politics anyway.In Oz, those people feel they have to vote, but they remain just as ignorant and apathetic.
“S’pose I have to vote fer one o’the mongrels, they’re all the same. Not votin’ for Shorten though, I dun’ like his face.”
Apathy is best countered with education within the confines of compulsory voting IMO.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
In countries where voting is voluntary, most of those who don’t vote tend to be politically ignorant types who don’t care about politics anyway.In Oz, those people feel they have to vote, but they remain just as ignorant and apathetic.
“S’pose I have to vote fer one o’the mongrels, they’re all the same. Not votin’ for Shorten though, I dun’ like his face.”
Apathy is best countered with education within the confines of compulsory voting IMO.
It seems to work so far.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
In countries where voting is voluntary, most of those who don’t vote tend to be politically ignorant types who don’t care about politics anyway.In Oz, those people feel they have to vote, but they remain just as ignorant and apathetic.
“S’pose I have to vote fer one o’the mongrels, they’re all the same. Not votin’ for Shorten though, I dun’ like his face.”
Nah, most of them just vote for the same team each time around. It is like the “Christians” whi have never been inside a church since they were infants but still dutifully put themselves down as Catholic or Anglican because they were christened in such a church.
Not actually true. The most ignorant voters tend to be the biggest swingers, because they don’t really grasp the basic differences between the parties.
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
In countries where voting is voluntary, most of those who don’t vote tend to be politically ignorant types who don’t care about politics anyway.In Oz, those people feel they have to vote, but they remain just as ignorant and apathetic.
“S’pose I have to vote fer one o’the mongrels, they’re all the same. Not votin’ for Shorten though, I dun’ like his face.”
Apathy is best countered with education within the confines of compulsory voting IMO.
Hasn’t worked here, why on Earth would it work in ‘Murica?
There’d be a lot more here without it.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
In countries where voting is voluntary, most of those who don’t vote tend to be politically ignorant types who don’t care about politics anyway.In Oz, those people feel they have to vote, but they remain just as ignorant and apathetic.
“S’pose I have to vote fer one o’the mongrels, they’re all the same. Not votin’ for Shorten though, I dun’ like his face.”
Apathy is best countered with education within the confines of compulsory voting IMO.
It seems to work so far.
So you’re happy with eleven years of Howard, then a brief Labor peep-in, followed by Abbott, Turnbull, Scomo?
Doesn’t look like the work of an informed electorate to me.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
In countries where voting is voluntary, most of those who don’t vote tend to be politically ignorant types who don’t care about politics anyway.In Oz, those people feel they have to vote, but they remain just as ignorant and apathetic.
“S’pose I have to vote fer one o’the mongrels, they’re all the same. Not votin’ for Shorten though, I dun’ like his face.”
Nah, most of them just vote for the same team each time around. It is like the “Christians” whi have never been inside a church since they were infants but still dutifully put themselves down as Catholic or Anglican because they were christened in such a church.
Not actually true. The most ignorant voters tend to be the biggest swingers, because they don’t really grasp the basic differences between the parties.
Doan know much about politiks but hey I’m with this facebook party.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Apathy is best countered with education within the confines of compulsory voting IMO.
It seems to work so far.
So you’re happy with eleven years of Howard, then a brief Labor peep-in, followed by Abbott, Turnbull, Scomo?
Doesn’t look like the work of an informed electorate to me.
As I said in my next post after that. Could have been worse.
Not saying it would have like. I’d have preferred to let Gough finish what he started myself. Can’t be arsed with a lot of what has happened since.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Apathy is best countered with education within the confines of compulsory voting IMO.
It seems to work so far.
So you’re happy with eleven years of Howard, then a brief Labor peep-in, followed by Abbott, Turnbull, Scomo?
Doesn’t look like the work of an informed electorate to me.
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
In countries where voting is voluntary, most of those who don’t vote tend to be politically ignorant types who don’t care about politics anyway.In Oz, those people feel they have to vote, but they remain just as ignorant and apathetic.
“S’pose I have to vote fer one o’the mongrels, they’re all the same. Not votin’ for Shorten though, I dun’ like his face.”
Apathy is best countered with education within the confines of compulsory voting IMO.
Hasn’t worked here, why on Earth would it work in ‘Murica?
In Australia at least electing conservative governments doesn’t necessary imply an uneducated electorate. More a surfeit of arseholes with no empathy for the poor and downtrodden.
The US is such a clusterfuck they should probably work on ensuring all those entitled to vote actually are unrestricted from doing so before attempting something as radical as compulsory voting.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
In countries where voting is voluntary, most of those who don’t vote tend to be politically ignorant types who don’t care about politics anyway.In Oz, those people feel they have to vote, but they remain just as ignorant and apathetic.
“S’pose I have to vote fer one o’the mongrels, they’re all the same. Not votin’ for Shorten though, I dun’ like his face.”
Nah, most of them just vote for the same team each time around. It is like the “Christians” whi have never been inside a church since they were infants but still dutifully put themselves down as Catholic or Anglican because they were christened in such a church.
Not actually true. The most ignorant voters tend to be the biggest swingers, because they don’t really grasp the basic differences between the parties.
…having said that, they often reliably “swing” in response to emotive knee-jerk issues which is why so much effort is put into scare campaigns and the like in marginal seats, often appealing to xenophobia and other prejudices.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Apathy is best countered with education within the confines of compulsory voting IMO.
Hasn’t worked here, why on Earth would it work in ‘Murica?
In Australia at least electing conservative governments doesn’t necessary imply an uneducated electorate. More a surfeit of arseholes with no empathy for the poor and downtrodden.
The US is such a clusterfuck they should probably work on ensuring all those entitled to vote actually are unrestricted from doing so before attempting something as radical as compulsory voting.
Well with covid, they now are more aware of some of the dimensionality of a clusterfuck.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:Nah, most of them just vote for the same team each time around. It is like the “Christians” whi have never been inside a church since they were infants but still dutifully put themselves down as Catholic or Anglican because they were christened in such a church.
Not actually true. The most ignorant voters tend to be the biggest swingers, because they don’t really grasp the basic differences between the parties.
…having said that, they often reliably “swing” in response to emotive knee-jerk issues which is why so much effort is put into scare campaigns and the like in marginal seats, often appealing to xenophobia and other prejudices.
Pushed by media?
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:Not actually true. The most ignorant voters tend to be the biggest swingers, because they don’t really grasp the basic differences between the parties.
…having said that, they often reliably “swing” in response to emotive knee-jerk issues which is why so much effort is put into scare campaigns and the like in marginal seats, often appealing to xenophobia and other prejudices.
Pushed by media?
Amply aided by Murdoch and his teams, yes.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:Nah, most of them just vote for the same team each time around. It is like the “Christians” whi have never been inside a church since they were infants but still dutifully put themselves down as Catholic or Anglican because they were christened in such a church.
Not actually true. The most ignorant voters tend to be the biggest swingers, because they don’t really grasp the basic differences between the parties.
…having said that, they often reliably “swing” in response to emotive knee-jerk issues which is why so much effort is put into scare campaigns and the like in marginal seats, often appealing to xenophobia and other prejudices.
Compulsory voting ensures a more centrist and less devisive orientated parliament exactly because extremism is not a requirement to ‘get out the vote’
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:Not actually true. The most ignorant voters tend to be the biggest swingers, because they don’t really grasp the basic differences between the parties.
…having said that, they often reliably “swing” in response to emotive knee-jerk issues which is why so much effort is put into scare campaigns and the like in marginal seats, often appealing to xenophobia and other prejudices.
Compulsory voting ensures a more centrist and less devisive orientated parliament exactly because extremism is not a requirement to ‘get out the vote’
That is quite a fair point.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:Not actually true. The most ignorant voters tend to be the biggest swingers, because they don’t really grasp the basic differences between the parties.
…having said that, they often reliably “swing” in response to emotive knee-jerk issues which is why so much effort is put into scare campaigns and the like in marginal seats, often appealing to xenophobia and other prejudices.
Compulsory voting ensures a more centrist and less devisive orientated parliament exactly because extremism is not a requirement to ‘get out the vote’
The opposite of ignorance and apathy is not necessarily “extremism”.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:…having said that, they often reliably “swing” in response to emotive knee-jerk issues which is why so much effort is put into scare campaigns and the like in marginal seats, often appealing to xenophobia and other prejudices.
Pushed by media?
Amply aided by Murdoch and his teams, yes.
I wasn’t naming names like. They all publish the same news eventually. Even if they do fact check it.
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:…having said that, they often reliably “swing” in response to emotive knee-jerk issues which is why so much effort is put into scare campaigns and the like in marginal seats, often appealing to xenophobia and other prejudices.
Compulsory voting ensures a more centrist and less devisive orientated parliament exactly because extremism is not a requirement to ‘get out the vote’
The opposite of ignorance and apathy is not necessarily “extremism”.
Why would it need to be opposite?
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:Nah, most of them just vote for the same team each time around. It is like the “Christians” whi have never been inside a church since they were infants but still dutifully put themselves down as Catholic or Anglican because they were christened in such a church.
Not actually true. The most ignorant voters tend to be the biggest swingers, because they don’t really grasp the basic differences between the parties.
…having said that, they often reliably “swing” in response to emotive knee-jerk issues which is why so much effort is put into scare campaigns and the like in marginal seats, often appealing to xenophobia and other prejudices.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:Not actually true. The most ignorant voters tend to be the biggest swingers, because they don’t really grasp the basic differences between the parties.
…having said that, they often reliably “swing” in response to emotive knee-jerk issues which is why so much effort is put into scare campaigns and the like in marginal seats, often appealing to xenophobia and other prejudices.
Compulsory voting ensures a more centrist and less devisive orientated parliament exactly because extremism is not a requirement to ‘get out the vote’
Compulsory voting combined with preferential voting delivers this.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Compulsory voting ensures a more centrist and less devisive orientated parliament exactly because extremism is not a requirement to ‘get out the vote’
The opposite of ignorance and apathy is not necessarily “extremism”.
Why would it need to be opposite?
Witty is implying that unless voting is compulsory, only extremists will vote, which is clearly not the case.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:…having said that, they often reliably “swing” in response to emotive knee-jerk issues which is why so much effort is put into scare campaigns and the like in marginal seats, often appealing to xenophobia and other prejudices.
Compulsory voting ensures a more centrist and less devisive orientated parliament exactly because extremism is not a requirement to ‘get out the vote’
Compulsory voting combined with preferential voting delivers this.
For an example, the recent narrow win by Labor with the assistance of preferences from the shooters fishers and farmers mob.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:The opposite of ignorance and apathy is not necessarily “extremism”.
Why would it need to be opposite?
Witty is implying that unless voting is compulsory, only extremists will vote, which is clearly not the case.
I hope he wasn’t implying that.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:The opposite of ignorance and apathy is not necessarily “extremism”.
Why would it need to be opposite?
Witty is implying that unless voting is compulsory, only extremists will vote, which is clearly not the case.
Not ‘only’ but certainly more generally as is the case in hopelessly partisan America.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:Why would it need to be opposite?
Witty is implying that unless voting is compulsory, only extremists will vote, which is clearly not the case.
Not ‘only’ but certainly more generally as is the case in hopelessly partisan America.
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:Witty is implying that unless voting is compulsory, only extremists will vote, which is clearly not the case.
Not ‘only’ but certainly more generally as is the case in hopelessly partisan America.
I agree.
I wouldn’t put Australia out of the reach of these influences.
Tamb said:
The polls have been quite wrong in recent elections so the voters aren’t voting as they should. Maybe they are becoming less ignorant.
Maybe more people have decided that pollsters can go and get rooted, and to tell them lies.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:The polls have been quite wrong in recent elections so the voters aren’t voting as they should. Maybe they are becoming less ignorant.
Maybe more people have decided that pollsters can go and get rooted, and to tell them lies.
Did you see Shaun Micalef the morning after he fell off the wagon?
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Not ‘only’ but certainly more generally as is the case in hopelessly partisan America.
I agree.I wouldn’t put Australia out of the reach of these influences.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:I agree.
I wouldn’t put Australia out of the reach of these influences.
Far less so. Aussies tend to vote from the bottom up. Their thinking is this
1) All pollies are bad.
2) Reject the wankers, in-it-for-themselves & ratbags.
3) Vote for who’s left.
You forget, they were resading Mudrochs before and after he rescinded his citizenship.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:The polls have been quite wrong in recent elections so the voters aren’t voting as they should. Maybe they are becoming less ignorant.
Maybe more people have decided that pollsters can go and get rooted, and to tell them lies.
Did you see Shaun Micalef the morning after he fell off the wagon?
Yes.
I was thinking, ‘his mouth feels like the inside of an old potato sack…’.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:I wouldn’t put Australia out of the reach of these influences.
Far less so. Aussies tend to vote from the bottom up. Their thinking is this
1) All pollies are bad.
2) Reject the wankers, in-it-for-themselves & ratbags.
3) Vote for who’s left.
You forget, they were resading Mudrochs before and after he rescinded his citizenship.
Bugger, I farked it up. reading Mudrochs.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Maybe more people have decided that pollsters can go and get rooted, and to tell them lies.
Did you see Shaun Micalef the morning after he fell off the wagon?
Yes.
I was thinking, ‘his mouth feels like the inside of an old potato sack…’.
He thought he’d been smoking all night.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Did you see Shaun Micalef the morning after he fell off the wagon?
Yes.
I was thinking, ‘his mouth feels like the inside of an old potato sack…’.
He thought he’d been smoking all night.
But hey! how to get a hangover without getting pissed eh.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Yes.
I was thinking, ‘his mouth feels like the inside of an old potato sack…’.
He thought he’d been smoking all night.
But hey! how to get a hangover without getting pissed eh.
The bit they left out there was that your senses are more acute and that’s why it hurts so much.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:Far less so. Aussies tend to vote from the bottom up. Their thinking is this
1) All pollies are bad.
2) Reject the wankers, in-it-for-themselves & ratbags.
3) Vote for who’s left.
You forget, they were resading Mudrochs before and after he rescinded his citizenship.
Bugger, I farked it up. reading Mudrochs.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:You forget, they were resading Mudrochs before and after he rescinded his citizenship.
Bugger, I farked it up. reading Mudrochs.
That’s what happens when you’re a Murdoch fanboi,
I don’t actually read his stuff other than when I’m listening to people and see what newspapers they read. If that constitutes fanboi, then they musy be fully indoctrinated.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:Bugger, I farked it up. reading Mudrochs.
That’s what happens when you’re a Murdoch fanboi,I don’t actually read his stuff other than when I’m listening to people and see what newspapers they read. If that constitutes fanboi, then they musy be fully indoctrinated.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Did you see Shaun Micalef the morning after he fell off the wagon?
Yes.
I was thinking, ‘his mouth feels like the inside of an old potato sack…’.
He thought he’d been smoking all night.
After a rather destructive night up at the Cross, my mate took me to a chemist somewhere, and said ‘this joker needs a draught’.
The pharmacist proceeded to mix substances from various bottles into a beaker, and gave me the resulting dark liquid to drink.
It tasted like nothing i’ve had before or since, but, by crikey, i felt better almost immediately.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:That’s what happens when you’re a Murdoch fanboi,
I don’t actually read his stuff other than when I’m listening to people and see what newspapers they read. If that constitutes fanboi, then they musy be fully indoctrinated.
I was just being silly.
I knew that but I was pretending not to be.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:I don’t actually read his stuff other than when I’m listening to people and see what newspapers they read. If that constitutes fanboi, then they musy be fully indoctrinated.
I was just being silly.I knew that but I was pretending not to be.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Maybe more people have decided that pollsters can go and get rooted, and to tell them lies.
Did you see Shaun Micalef the morning after he fell off the wagon?
Yes.
I was thinking, ‘his mouth feels like the inside of an old potato sack…’.
I flatted with a couple of journos in Sydney many years ago, one went to England and made a name for himself in Fleet Street, I caught up with him over there. He was telling me that he knew Murdock very well and he had proposed something or did something that save Murdock when he was in serious financial trouble.
When he got back to Aus he was rewarded by being made the Editor of the Courier Mail, it didn’t last long and I don’t know what became of him.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Did you see Shaun Micalef the morning after he fell off the wagon?
Yes.
I was thinking, ‘his mouth feels like the inside of an old potato sack…’.
I flatted with a couple of journos in Sydney many years ago, one went to England and made a name for himself in Fleet Street, I caught up with him over there. He was telling me that he knew Murdock very well and he had proposed something or did something that save Murdock when he was in serious financial trouble.
When he got back to Aus he was rewarded by being made the Editor of the Courier Mail, it didn’t last long and I don’t know what became of him.
He probably found out that he actually had principles.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:Yes.
I was thinking, ‘his mouth feels like the inside of an old potato sack…’.
I flatted with a couple of journos in Sydney many years ago, one went to England and made a name for himself in Fleet Street, I caught up with him over there. He was telling me that he knew Murdock very well and he had proposed something or did something that save Murdock when he was in serious financial trouble.
When he got back to Aus he was rewarded by being made the Editor of the Courier Mail, it didn’t last long and I don’t know what became of him.
He probably found out that he actually had principles.
Some people do have them https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-18/drug-driving-laws-cannabis-nsw-unfair-magistrate-david-heilpern/12361312
My sister has this on her Facebook. I think we can reliably predict where her vote will be going.
https://www.facebook.com/ridinwithbiden2020/photos/a.112171630445846/162979168698425/?type=3&theater
buffy said:
My sister has this on her Facebook. I think we can reliably predict where her vote will be going.https://www.facebook.com/ridinwithbiden2020/photos/a.112171630445846/162979168698425/?type=3&theater
She’s just biden her time.
buffy said:
My sister has this on her Facebook. I think we can reliably predict where her vote will be going.https://www.facebook.com/ridinwithbiden2020/photos/a.112171630445846/162979168698425/?type=3&theater
Riden with Biden, Jaysus, who came up with that.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
My sister has this on her Facebook. I think we can reliably predict where her vote will be going.https://www.facebook.com/ridinwithbiden2020/photos/a.112171630445846/162979168698425/?type=3&theater
Riden with Biden, Jaysus, who came up with that.
Riddle Biddle?
sibeen said:
buffy said:
My sister has this on her Facebook. I think we can reliably predict where her vote will be going.https://www.facebook.com/ridinwithbiden2020/photos/a.112171630445846/162979168698425/?type=3&theater
Riden with Biden, Jaysus, who came up with that.
It’s better than Dump with Trump.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:
My sister has this on her Facebook. I think we can reliably predict where her vote will be going.https://www.facebook.com/ridinwithbiden2020/photos/a.112171630445846/162979168698425/?type=3&theater
Riden with Biden, Jaysus, who came up with that.
It’s better than Dump with Trump.
WGAS? He’s dumping on us.
Let’s talk about Trump’s call to suspend the elections…. Beau of the Fifth Column
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKBoQZfYPaI
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Trump’s call to suspend the elections…. Beau of the Fifth Columnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKBoQZfYPaI
He’s got the great southern militia. The confederates are gonna bring the swamp north.
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Trump’s call to suspend the elections…. Beau of the Fifth Columnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKBoQZfYPaI
Again with the lies. He hasn’t asked to suspend the elections, he proposed that it be postponed due to the virus. That’s still fucking dumb so why the need to embellish. Tell the truth and nothing but the truth, that’s all you need.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Trump’s call to suspend the elections…. Beau of the Fifth Columnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKBoQZfYPaI
Again with the lies. He hasn’t asked to suspend the elections, he proposed that it be postponed due to the virus. That’s still fucking dumb so why the need to embellish. Tell the truth and nothing but the truth, that’s all you need.
If truth was at all a factor in Trump’s presidency, he’d have been kicked out halfway through 2017.
buffy said:
My sister has this on her Facebook. I think we can reliably predict where her vote will be going.https://www.facebook.com/ridinwithbiden2020/photos/a.112171630445846/162979168698425/?type=3&theater
yep.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Trump’s call to suspend the elections…. Beau of the Fifth Columnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKBoQZfYPaI
Again with the lies. He hasn’t asked to suspend the elections, he proposed that it be postponed due to the virus. That’s still fucking dumb so why the need to embellish. Tell the truth and nothing but the truth, that’s all you need.
*wonders. Do I tell Sibeen to fuck off or do I just fuck off coz it is easier? It isn’t like he distinguished whether it was me or Beau who was the liar. But I presume he means Beau. And I don’t think Beau is lying.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Trump’s call to suspend the elections…. Beau of the Fifth Columnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKBoQZfYPaI
Again with the lies. He hasn’t asked to suspend the elections, he proposed that it be postponed due to the virus. That’s still fucking dumb so why the need to embellish. Tell the truth and nothing but the truth, that’s all you need.
*wonders. Do I tell Sibeen to fuck off or do I just fuck off coz it is easier? It isn’t like he distinguished whether it was me or Beau who was the liar. But I presume he means Beau. And I don’t think Beau is lying.
I’m not having a go at you, sm, but at all the pundits post bullshit.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:Again with the lies. He hasn’t asked to suspend the elections, he proposed that it be postponed due to the virus. That’s still fucking dumb so why the need to embellish. Tell the truth and nothing but the truth, that’s all you need.
*wonders. Do I tell Sibeen to fuck off or do I just fuck off coz it is easier? It isn’t like he distinguished whether it was me or Beau who was the liar. But I presume he means Beau. And I don’t think Beau is lying.
I’m not having a go at you, sm, but at all the pundits post bullshit.
Insert a who ^.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:*wonders. Do I tell Sibeen to fuck off or do I just fuck off coz it is easier? It isn’t like he distinguished whether it was me or Beau who was the liar. But I presume he means Beau. And I don’t think Beau is lying.
I’m not having a go at you, sm, but at all the pundits post bullshit.
Insert a who ^.
So you listened to it but the tag annoyed you.
By the way, here is what Trump tweeted:
With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???
He asked for a delay, not a suspension which is something completely different. That is all that needs to be reported, not some embellishment of the facts that can easily be checked. That’s what I call stupid. Just report the truth, explain that Trump is a moron and move on.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sibeen said:I’m not having a go at you, sm, but at all the pundits post bullshit.
Insert a who ^.
So you listened to it but the tag annoyed you.
I didn’t listen to it because the tag was lying.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Trump’s call to suspend the elections…. Beau of the Fifth Columnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKBoQZfYPaI
Again with the lies. He hasn’t asked to suspend the elections, he proposed that it be postponed due to the virus. That’s still fucking dumb so why the need to embellish. Tell the truth and nothing but the truth, that’s all you need.
You have to admit though, that always being completely honest in a political campaign against an opponent who habitually lies does put you at a bit of a disadvantage. When your opponent shifts to outright lies it makes it harder to compete if nobody calls out the lies and they treat his position as equally valid as yours for the sake of balanced or non-partisan. It is a bit of a philosophical quandary and you’d like to think that a strictly principled approach is always going to win out, but it might not always be so.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Trump’s call to suspend the elections…. Beau of the Fifth Columnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKBoQZfYPaI
Again with the lies. He hasn’t asked to suspend the elections, he proposed that it be postponed due to the virus. That’s still fucking dumb so why the need to embellish. Tell the truth and nothing but the truth, that’s all you need.
You have to admit though, that always being completely honest in a political campaign against an opponent who habitually lies does put you at a bit of a disadvantage. When your opponent shifts to outright lies it makes it harder to compete if nobody calls out the lies and they treat his position as equally valid as yours for the sake of balanced or non-partisan. It is a bit of a philosophical quandary and you’d like to think that a strictly principled approach is always going to win out, but it might not always be so.
In a way my point is that Trump is such a terrible president that you can be as principled as the most honest person who ever lived because the truth is so damning. There’s about 30% of the US population who are so rusted on they are never going to vote against him and another 30 or 40% who wouldn’t vote for him if he cured cancer. It’s the middle ground that you really have to appeal to and you don’t want to give anyone to scream out “fake news” every time someone wants to embellish on what Trump said.
they took ar JRBs
I partly agree with sibeen. There’s no need to gild the lily, or add extra stank to the shitpile.
dv said:
I partly agree with sibeen. There’s no need to gild the lily, or add extra stank to the shitpile.
falls off chair
Suspend can carry much the same meaning as postpone: “temporarily prevent from continuing or being in force or effect.”
Bubblecar said:
Suspend can carry much the same meaning as postpone: “temporarily prevent from continuing or being in force or effect.”
…and given that the virus is going to be around for a loooong time, and Trump wants to be the one to decide “when it’s safe to vote”, it’s a very sinister tweet (which will no doubt be cheered by his supporters who are threatening civil war if the rest of country vote for Biden).
Bubblecar said:
Suspend can carry much the same meaning as postpone: “temporarily prevent from continuing or being in force or effect.”
I was just going to say much the same thing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Suspend can carry much the same meaning as postpone: “temporarily prevent from continuing or being in force or effect.”
I was just going to say much the same thing.
Yeah, but that was my poor wording. Trump actually said ‘delay’.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Suspend can carry much the same meaning as postpone: “temporarily prevent from continuing or being in force or effect.”
I was just going to say much the same thing.
Yeah, but that was my poor wording. Trump actually said ‘delay’.
*shakes head slowly.
dv said:
I partly agree with sibeen. There’s no need to gild the lily, or add extra stank to the shitpile.
Just give him enough rope. He will do the job himself.
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Trump’s call to suspend the elections…. Beau of the Fifth Columnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKBoQZfYPaI
I think it^ a fair concern given the personality in power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56DlPjCmJxI
just watched this one^ too
buffy said:
dv said:
I partly agree with sibeen. There’s no need to gild the lily, or add extra stank to the shitpile.
Just give him enough rope. He will do the job himself.
No way I’m going to help mussolinise that great Cnut. I’ll throw me back out.
The defence is willing to stipulate that delay, postpone and suspend all have roughly the same meaning in this context.
dv said:
The defence is willing to stipulate that delay, postpone and suspend all have roughly the same meaning in this context.
but we were talking about rope
sibeen said:
30 or 40% who wouldn’t vote for him if he cured cancer.
well he has, and done a good preventative job too, 200000 good honest God loving Americans won’t even get the chance
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Trump’s call to suspend the elections…. Beau of the Fifth Columnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKBoQZfYPaI
He’s got the great southern militia. The confederates are gonna bring the swamp north.
Drain The Swamp Into Congress
there’s been mechanisms (ideas related more egalitarian ways) at work in social groups (and individuals making those groups) likely going back hundreds of thousands of years, mechanisms of social leveling, including cutting down bigheads and braggarts, and more generally toward people that seek to monopolize power (enjoy privileges of undeserved power), or overly influence others and consequently impose on others, modern formalized democracy of course is one way of doing that, limiting power
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Trump’s call to suspend the elections…. Beau of the Fifth Columnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKBoQZfYPaI
Again with the lies. He hasn’t asked to suspend the elections, he proposed that it be postponed due to the virus. That’s still fucking dumb so why the need to embellish. Tell the truth and nothing but the truth, that’s all you need.
If truth was at all a factor in Trump’s presidency, he’d have been kicked out halfway through 2017.
He wouldn’t have got there if truth prevailed.
Will Hurd, the only Black Republican in the House of Reps, says he is still weighing up whether to vote for Trump.
https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1288958764532609024?s=20
GOP Should Be Fired For Feeding Workers To Wolves
Here’s a 10 minute video that I think is worth watching. It’s rather chilling what is about to go down in the USA.
sibeen said:
GOP Should Be Fired For Feeding Workers To WolvesHere’s a 10 minute video that I think is worth watching. It’s rather chilling what is about to go down in the USA.
fuck you.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
GOP Should Be Fired For Feeding Workers To WolvesHere’s a 10 minute video that I think is worth watching. It’s rather chilling what is about to go down in the USA.
fuck you.
Sorry for having an opinion that is different from yours. I’ll try to do better in future.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
GOP Should Be Fired For Feeding Workers To WolvesHere’s a 10 minute video that I think is worth watching. It’s rather chilling what is about to go down in the USA.
fuck you.
Sorry for having an opinion that is different from yours. I’ll try to do better in future.
This really annoys me, sm. You take my not agreeing with video you posted as a personal attack. That’s just silly.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
GOP Should Be Fired For Feeding Workers To WolvesHere’s a 10 minute video that I think is worth watching. It’s rather chilling what is about to go down in the USA.
fuck you.
Sorry for having an opinion that is different from yours. I’ll try to do better in future.
I posted a link.
You disliked the wording of the link.
Your post sounded like it took a swipe at me.
You didn’t look at the link because you didn’t like the title.
You objected to a word that was closed to a word you might have selected.
The word had an appropriate accepted meaning.
You post a link that you think ‘is worth watching.’
it isn’t about us having different opinions. It is about you shutting down my comments and you using pontificating language.
So fuck you.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:fuck you.
Sorry for having an opinion that is different from yours. I’ll try to do better in future.
I posted a link.
You disliked the wording of the link.
Your post sounded like it took a swipe at me.
You didn’t look at the link because you didn’t like the title.
You objected to a word that was closed to a word you might have selected.
The word had an appropriate accepted meaning.You post a link that you think ‘is worth watching.’
it isn’t about us having different opinions. It is about you shutting down my comments and you using pontificating language.
So fuck you.
How the hell did I shut down your comments? I explained why I dislike that sort of video as I believe it is self defeating. You don’t agree, fair enough. I don’t take you disagreeing with me as a personal slight
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:Sorry for having an opinion that is different from yours. I’ll try to do better in future.
I posted a link.
You disliked the wording of the link.
Your post sounded like it took a swipe at me.
You didn’t look at the link because you didn’t like the title.
You objected to a word that was closed to a word you might have selected.
The word had an appropriate accepted meaning.You post a link that you think ‘is worth watching.’
it isn’t about us having different opinions. It is about you shutting down my comments and you using pontificating language.
So fuck you.
How the hell did I shut down your comments? I explained why I dislike that sort of video as I believe it is self defeating. You don’t agree, fair enough. I don’t take you disagreeing with me as a personal slight
I think I dislike this conversation. I feel like I just got shut down again. Is it okay with you if I post ‘THAT SORT’ of video again or should I refrain?
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:I posted a link.
You disliked the wording of the link.
Your post sounded like it took a swipe at me.
You didn’t look at the link because you didn’t like the title.
You objected to a word that was closed to a word you might have selected.
The word had an appropriate accepted meaning.You post a link that you think ‘is worth watching.’
it isn’t about us having different opinions. It is about you shutting down my comments and you using pontificating language.
So fuck you.
How the hell did I shut down your comments? I explained why I dislike that sort of video as I believe it is self defeating. You don’t agree, fair enough. I don’t take you disagreeing with me as a personal slight
I think I dislike this conversation. I feel like I just got shut down again. Is it okay with you if I post ‘THAT SORT’ of video again or should I refrain?
I would have said exactly what I said if mv or dv or Buffy or Arts or Boris or whoever posted the video. Post any video you want but if I think it’s silly I’ll probably say so. Again, that’s not a go at you but it is a go at what I believe is crap being spouted by many on the left in the USA which may harm their chances in the coming election.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/31/politics/senate-mcconnell-trump-firewall/index.html
Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell signals to vulnerable GOP Senators to distance themselves from Trump if they need to
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/31/politics/senate-mcconnell-trump-firewall/index.htmlSenate majority leader Mitch McConnell signals to vulnerable GOP Senators to distance themselves from Trump if they need to
Electorally vulnerable? COVID vulnerable? Both?
Stuff he’s been saying lately is garbled rubbish.
How anybody believes he’s still going to save America, is simply incredulous.
According to rumours on the dark web some GOP senators were so exacerbated that they were actually plotting to expose him to Convid-19 but then realised he was taking hydroxychloroquine and their plan wouldn’t work.
I don’t know how true it is.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/31/politics/senate-mcconnell-trump-firewall/index.htmlSenate majority leader Mitch McConnell signals to vulnerable GOP Senators to distance themselves from Trump if they need to
Electorally vulnerable? COVID vulnerable? Both?
In this case, electorally vulnerable, but I see what you did there.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/31/politics/senate-mcconnell-trump-firewall/index.htmlSenate majority leader Mitch McConnell signals to vulnerable GOP Senators to distance themselves from Trump if they need to
Electorally vulnerable? COVID vulnerable? Both?
In this case, electorally vulnerable, but I see what you did there.
Trump’s own intelligence officials contradict his repeated claims of mail-in voting fraud
By Alex Marquardt, Pamela Brown and Manu Raju, CNN
Updated 2348 GMT (0748 HKT) July 31, 2020
Trump continues assault on mail-in voting at WH briefing 02:29
Washington (CNN)US intelligence officials on Friday discounted the possibility of foreign countries mass producing fake ballots to interfere in the November elections, contradicting President Donald Trump’s continued insistence that mail-in voting poses a significant threat to election security.
The closed-door House briefing was led by the US intelligence community’s top election official, Bill Evanina, and senior intelligence officials who specialize in election security. Officials dismissed the possibility of foreign powers being able to interfere on a mass scale to produce and send fake ballots to voters and election authorities, a source said.
The issue of forged ballots only came up when a lawmaker asked about it, a source in attendance told CNN. Evanina didn’t raise any alarms about that possibility, the source said.
The briefing highlighted the regular clash of views on election security between Trump and the administration’s top officials charged with keeping the November vote secure, both in public and in classified briefings.
For months, those officials have routinely warned that the most serious foreign threats are hacking of election and campaign infrastructure, along with disinformation campaigns, largely from China, Russia and Iran. The issue of fake ballots is one that they don’t raise, according to multiple sources familiar with the ongoing briefings.
That’s night and day from the President’s almost singular focus on mail-in ballots, which he alleges will lead to a “rigged” election this fall. So great is the threat, the President said Thursday, he raised the possibility of delaying the vote.
On Friday at the White House, Trump specifically claimed that foreign countries will be able to forge ballots.
“This is going to be the greatest election disaster in history,” Trump said.
“And by the way you guys like to talk about Russia and China and other places, they’ll be able to forge ballots, they’ll forge up, they’ll do whatever they have to do,” he said.
Laying groundwork for foreign disinformation
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The President is so vocal in his distrust of voting by mail that there are concerns among intelligence and law enforcement officials that he is laying the groundwork for the exact sort of foreign disinformation campaigns they warn about.
“They can’t physically do anything about (mail-in ballots) but (they can) create social media narratives to create levels of doubt and play into the debate,” a law enforcement official said. “We are alert for the fact they may take doubts about mail-in ballots and exploit that online.”
The Department of Homeland Security’s cyber arm, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, released a new assessment on mail-in voting Friday afternoon — just hours after Trump had alleged that Russia and China would “forge ballots” — noting that as the debate over mail-in voting heats up, threat actors can take advantage and sow confusion.
“Mail-in voting has already become an issue among partisan political voices, which makes it a target for threat actors to exploit,” the assessment read. “These threat actors may mislead and confuse the public about the mechanics of mail-in voting, and leverage limited understanding regarding mail-in voting processes, in order to cause chaos and provoke distrust in the election administration and electoral results.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/31/politics/trump-intelligence-officials-contradict-mail-in-voting-sow-doubt-foreign/index.html
FMD… If Elizabeth Warren were to become the Democratic VP candidate her senate seat replacement will be decided upon by the Republican governor of Massachusetts who will appoint a fellow Republican. How the sweet holy fuck is that allowed?
Witty Rejoinder said:
FMD… If Elizabeth Warren were to become the Democratic VP candidate her senate seat replacement will be decided upon by the Republican governor of Massachusetts who will appoint a fellow Republican. How the sweet holy fuck is that allowed?
Used to be allowed here too with Senate replacements. (Maybe it still is. I recall a huge ruckus in the 1960’s about a Senator from Queensland being replaced by a person from another party. I don’t recall any constitutional change. I recall that there was a tacit agreement that it won’t happen again.)
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
FMD… If Elizabeth Warren were to become the Democratic VP candidate her senate seat replacement will be decided upon by the Republican governor of Massachusetts who will appoint a fellow Republican. How the sweet holy fuck is that allowed?
Used to be allowed here too with Senate replacements. (Maybe it still is. I recall a huge ruckus in the 1960’s about a Senator from Queensland being replaced by a person from another party. I don’t recall any constitutional change. I recall that there was a tacit agreement that it won’t happen again.)
Happened with Whitlam before the dismissal IIRC.The law has since been changed. It was considered an outrage though since it parted with the precedent if not outright illegal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitlam_Government#1974
Whitlam appointed Senator Murphy to the High Court, even though Murphy’s Senate seat would not be up for election if a half-Senate election were held. Labor then held three of the five short-term New South Wales Senate seats. Under proportional representation, Labor could hold its three short term seats in the next half-Senate election, but if Murphy’s seat were also contested, Labor was unlikely to win four out of six. Thus, a Murphy appointment meant the almost certain loss of a seat in the closely divided Senate at the next election. Whitlam appointed Murphy anyway. By convention, senators appointed by the state legislature to fill casual vacancies were from the same political party as the former senator. The New South Wales premier, Tom Lewis felt that this convention only applied to vacancies caused by deaths or ill-health, and arranged for the legislature to elect Cleaver Bunton, former mayor of Albury and an independent.
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
FMD… If Elizabeth Warren were to become the Democratic VP candidate her senate seat replacement will be decided upon by the Republican governor of Massachusetts who will appoint a fellow Republican. How the sweet holy fuck is that allowed?
Used to be allowed here too with Senate replacements. (Maybe it still is. I recall a huge ruckus in the 1960’s about a Senator from Queensland being replaced by a person from another party. I don’t recall any constitutional change. I recall that there was a tacit agreement that it won’t happen again.)
Changed in 1977 by referendum, after the debacles of 1975. (I have no memory of the referendum.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_vacancies_in_the_Australian_Parliament#Senate
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
FMD… If Elizabeth Warren were to become the Democratic VP candidate her senate seat replacement will be decided upon by the Republican governor of Massachusetts who will appoint a fellow Republican. How the sweet holy fuck is that allowed?
Used to be allowed here too with Senate replacements. (Maybe it still is. I recall a huge ruckus in the 1960’s about a Senator from Queensland being replaced by a person from another party. I don’t recall any constitutional change. I recall that there was a tacit agreement that it won’t happen again.)
Changed in 1977 by referendum, after the debacles of 1975. (I have no memory of the referendum.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_vacancies_in_the_Australian_Parliament#Senate
Was that when we changed from God Save the Queen to Advance Australia Fair? I vaguely recall that being a referendum or plebiscite.
Rule 303 said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:Used to be allowed here too with Senate replacements. (Maybe it still is. I recall a huge ruckus in the 1960’s about a Senator from Queensland being replaced by a person from another party. I don’t recall any constitutional change. I recall that there was a tacit agreement that it won’t happen again.)
Changed in 1977 by referendum, after the debacles of 1975. (I have no memory of the referendum.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_vacancies_in_the_Australian_Parliament#Senate
Was that when we changed from God Save the Queen to Advance Australia Fair? I vaguely recall that being a referendum or plebiscite.
Ugh, nope. Plebiscite in 77.
Rule 303 said:
Rule 303 said:
Michael V said:Changed in 1977 by referendum, after the debacles of 1975. (I have no memory of the referendum.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_vacancies_in_the_Australian_Parliament#Senate
Was that when we changed from God Save the Queen to Advance Australia Fair? I vaguely recall that being a referendum or plebiscite.
Ugh, nope. Plebiscite in 77.
I have no memory of that plebiscite, either.
Richard Wolffe on the Lincoln Project:
Could this anti-Trump Republican group take down the president?
Savage attack ads from a well-funded group of dissident Republicans are aiming to sway a key sliver of opinion in swing states
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/01/lincoln-project-donald-trump-republicans-campaign-ads
Donald Trump has claimed that until he became US president “nobody ever heard” that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.
The US president’s improbable claim came during a roundtable discussion on Venezuela at his Doral golf resort in Florida, in which he largely ignored the issue of the South American country and instead praised his administration’s handling of a coronavirus pandemic that has killed more than 135,000 Americans.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abraham-lincoln-president-doral-golf-resort-venezuela-a9613666.html
NY prosecutors say Trump investigation extends beyond hush money payments
(CNN)Manhattan prosecutors on Monday asked a federal judge to dismiss President Donald Trump’s lawsuit challenging a subpoena for his financial records, emphasizing that their investigation extends beyond hush-money payments and pointing to public reports of “extensive and protracted criminal conduct” at the Trump Organization.
Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance’s lawyers have previously said the probe is expansive, and on Monday they pointed out that when the subpoena was issued, “there were public allegations of possible criminal activity at Plaintiff’s New York County-based Trump Organization dating back over a decade.”
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/03/politics/trump-new-york-vance-investigation/index.html
dv said:
NY prosecutors say Trump investigation extends beyond hush money payments(CNN)Manhattan prosecutors on Monday asked a federal judge to dismiss President Donald Trump’s lawsuit challenging a subpoena for his financial records, emphasizing that their investigation extends beyond hush-money payments and pointing to public reports of “extensive and protracted criminal conduct” at the Trump Organization.
Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance’s lawyers have previously said the probe is expansive, and on Monday they pointed out that when the subpoena was issued, “there were public allegations of possible criminal activity at Plaintiff’s New York County-based Trump Organization dating back over a decade.”
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/03/politics/trump-new-york-vance-investigation/index.html
I reckon they’ve got him this time for sure.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-is-blocking-tax-returns-subpoena-to-secure-immunity-court-filings-20200804-p55i7t.html
Deutsche Bank launches investigation into longtime banker of Trump, Kushner
Deutsche Bank launched an internal investigation into the longtime personal banker for President Trump and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, a bank spokesman confirmed to The Hill on Sunday.
The New York Times first reported Sunday that the bank was looking into Rosemary Vrablic to determine if she had acted improperly when she and two colleagues bought an apartment for about $1.5 million in 2013 from Bergel 715 Associates.
In a financial disclosure report filed Friday, Kushner and his wife, Ivanka Trump, said they had received $1 million to $5 million from Bergel 715 in 2019. The couple had not previously reported having an ownership stake in the company.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/510209-deutsche-bank-launches-investigation-into-longtime-banker-of-trump
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/can-you-trust-the-us-election-polls-20200728-p55g6g.html
Fair.
In happier times this would be the biggest news story of the year.
dv said:
Norman Swan’s son. Well done him.
:)
Michael V said:
dv said:
Norman Swan’s son. Well done him.
:)
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/aug/05/who-is-jonathan-swan-the-reporter-who-grilled-trump-and-what-do-kangaroos-have-to-do-with-it
Quick one:
How to tick tock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YtxfJyTSR0
Bubblecar said:
Quick one:How to tick tock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YtxfJyTSR0
Watch the long version it’s lolable.
Facebook says Trump talks shit:
ABC News:
‘Facebook removes Trump post falsely claiming children are ‘almost immune’ from coronavirus
A claim by US President Donald Trump that children were “almost immune” to COVID-19 has fallen foul of Facebook’s new policies over misinformation in the lead-up to November’s US elections.’
captain_spalding said:
Facebook says Trump talks shit:ABC News:
‘Facebook removes Trump post falsely claiming children are ‘almost immune’ from coronavirus
A claim by US President Donald Trump that children were “almost immune” to COVID-19 has fallen foul of Facebook’s new policies over misinformation in the lead-up to November’s US elections.’
Good.
Trump is full of misinformation.
He needs a few slaps in the face like this
I’m in favour of all media outlets removing his misinformation.
It should cut down the rubbish quite a bit.
captain_spalding said:
Facebook says Trump talks shit:ABC News:
‘Facebook removes Trump post falsely claiming children are ‘almost immune’ from coronavirus
A claim by US President Donald Trump that children were “almost immune” to COVID-19 has fallen foul of Facebook’s new policies over misinformation in the lead-up to November’s US elections.’
ah well that’s a change
Tau.Neutrino said:
He needs a few slaps in the face like this
Was watching the Jonathan Swan-Trump interview and wondering how Swan restrained himself from slapping Trump’s face.
Divine Angel said:
Tau.Neutrino said:He needs a few slaps in the face like this
Was watching the Jonathan Swan-Trump interview and wondering how Swan restrained himself from slapping Trump’s face.
Haven’t watched it, but someone on the Internet says he’s a brash Aussie.
Was he brash?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
Tau.Neutrino said:He needs a few slaps in the face like this
Was watching the Jonathan Swan-Trump interview and wondering how Swan restrained himself from slapping Trump’s face.
Haven’t watched it, but someone on the Internet says he’s a brash Aussie.
Was he brash?
Brash sounding to the Americans ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:Was watching the Jonathan Swan-Trump interview and wondering how Swan restrained himself from slapping Trump’s face.
Haven’t watched it, but someone on the Internet says he’s a brash Aussie.
Was he brash?
Brash sounding to the Americans ?
How would Trump fair with Leigh Sales ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Haven’t watched it, but someone on the Internet says he’s a brash Aussie.
Was he brash?
Brash sounding to the Americans ?
How would Trump fair with Leigh Sales ?
I suspect that her failure to bat her eyes and wag her tail would make him uncomfortable and confused.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Haven’t watched it, but someone on the Internet says he’s a brash Aussie.
Was he brash?
Brash sounding to the Americans ?
How would Trump fair with Leigh Sales ?

captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Brash sounding to the Americans ?
How would Trump fair with Leigh Sales ?
How would Trump go with Andrew Bolt? Could be another $130000 hush payment.
Divine Angel said:
Tau.Neutrino said:He needs a few slaps in the face like this
Was watching the Jonathan Swan-Trump interview and wondering how Swan restrained himself from slapping Trump’s face.
A dozen or so secret agents with guns, and probably black belts too.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
Tau.Neutrino said:He needs a few slaps in the face like this
Was watching the Jonathan Swan-Trump interview and wondering how Swan restrained himself from slapping Trump’s face.
Haven’t watched it, but someone on the Internet says he’s a brash Aussie.
Was he brash?
No, he just stood up against el Trumpo instead of smiling and nodding the way most interviewers seem to do.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/donald-trump-axios-interview-jonathan-swan/12524552
This is the clip that came up first on YouTube. (Jimmy Fallon’s sure looking a bit haggard…)
https://youtu.be/jyTfCPjVlRY
Divine Angel said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:Was watching the Jonathan Swan-Trump interview and wondering how Swan restrained himself from slapping Trump’s face.
Haven’t watched it, but someone on the Internet says he’s a brash Aussie.
Was he brash?
No, he just stood up against el Trumpo instead of smiling and nodding the way most interviewers seem to do.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/donald-trump-axios-interview-jonathan-swan/12524552This is the clip that came up first on YouTube. (Jimmy Fallon’s sure looking a bit haggard…)
https://youtu.be/jyTfCPjVlRY
I wish more American journalists and reporters had a more analytical approach like this.
A lot of them seem more cautious not wanting to offend or upset.
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
Tau.Neutrino said:He needs a few slaps in the face like this
Was watching the Jonathan Swan-Trump interview and wondering how Swan restrained himself from slapping Trump’s face.
A dozen or so secret agents with guns, and probably black belts too.
Who would have been like
dv said:
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:Was watching the Jonathan Swan-Trump interview and wondering how Swan restrained himself from slapping Trump’s face.
A dozen or so secret agents with guns, and probably black belts too.
Who would have been like
is that Maxwell in the background there
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
party_pants said:A dozen or so secret agents with guns, and probably black belts too.
Who would have been like
is that Maxwell in the background there
No, Maxwell would be walking back to the pavilion looking stupid.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
party_pants said:A dozen or so secret agents with guns, and probably black belts too.
Who would have been like
is that Maxwell in the background there
rofl
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
party_pants said:A dozen or so secret agents with guns, and probably black belts too.
Who would have been like
is that Maxwell in the background there
lol
Hey dawg I heard you like endangering kids
Stuart Stevens has been a Republican strategist since the 1990s, having worked on the teams of Bob Dole, George W Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney, as well as dozens of Republican governors and senators.
He has joined The Lincoln Project and has released a book entitled “It was all a lie: How the Republican Party became Donald Trump”. In it, he details the Republican reliance on racial politics and hypocritical family values slogans, as the Eisenhauer traditional withered and the McCarthyist wing bloomed.
In this PBS interview, he says that he will work with Democrats to end the Trump presidency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tavb-xJTj_8
https://www.amazon.com.au/Was-All-Lie-Republican-Became/dp/0525658459
Deutsche Bank complies with subpoena for Trump’s financial records
Andrew Weissmann tells Ali Velshi the revelation from the New York Times that Deutsche Bank complied with a subpoena for Trump’s financial records indicates the investigation by the Manhattan D.A. is “not just about hush money payments.” Tim O’Brien says prosecutors scrutinizing Trump’s documents for possible crimes of bank and insurance fraud or money laundering “is the stuff that could really worry Trump.”
https://news.yahoo.com/nyt-deutsche-bank-complies-subpoena-033430924.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/04/trump-mispronounces-yosemite-white-house-event/3289122001/

sarahs mum said:
like :)
dv said:
Deutsche Bank complies with subpoena for Trump’s financial recordsAndrew Weissmann tells Ali Velshi the revelation from the New York Times that Deutsche Bank complied with a subpoena for Trump’s financial records indicates the investigation by the Manhattan D.A. is “not just about hush money payments.” Tim O’Brien says prosecutors scrutinizing Trump’s documents for possible crimes of bank and insurance fraud or money laundering “is the stuff that could really worry Trump.”
https://news.yahoo.com/nyt-deutsche-bank-complies-subpoena-033430924.html
Finally!
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/facebook-removes-troll-farm-posing-african-american-support-donald-trump-n1236056?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma
Facebook removes troll farm posing as African-American support for Donald Trump
Facebook also removed hundreds of fake accounts linked to conservative media outlet The Epoch Times.
Facebook removed hundreds of accounts on Thursday from a foreign troll farm posing as African-Americans in support of Donald Trump and QAnon supporters. It also removed hundreds of fake accounts linked to conservative media outlet The Epoch Times that pushed pro-Trump conspiracy theories about coronavirus and protests in the U.S.
Facebook took down the accounts as part of its enforcement against coordinated inauthentic behavior, which is the use of fake accounts to inflate the reach of content or products on social media.
The foreign pro-Trump troll farm was based in Romania and pushed content on Instagram under names like “BlackPeopleVoteForTrump” and on Facebook under “We Love Our President.”
Troll farms — groups of people that work together to manipulate internet discourse with fake accounts — are often outsourced and purchased by foreign governments or businesses to push specific political talking points. Nathaniel Gleicher, Facebook’s head of security policy, said the troll farm’s motivations were unclear, but they didn’t see “clear evidence of financial motivation” or “clear links to known commercial actors in this space.”
I found it outrageous that Facebook has removed Trumps post in which he said children are almost immune from the virus.
It has a basis in fact and Brendan Murphy and other state health officials have said virtually the same thing.
This Trump phobia over the top stuff in the media is the only thing that might get him re-elected.
Peak Warming Man said:
I found it outrageous that Facebook has removed Trumps post in which he said children are almost immune from the virus.
It has a basis in fact and Brendan Murphy and other state health officials have said virtually the same thing.
This Trump phobia over the top stuff in the media is the only thing that might get him re-elected.
I find it astonishing that anything he said might have some basis in fact.
Rule 303 said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I found it outrageous that Facebook has removed Trumps post in which he said children are almost immune from the virus.
It has a basis in fact and Brendan Murphy and other state health officials have said virtually the same thing.
This Trump phobia over the top stuff in the media is the only thing that might get him re-elected.
I find it astonishing that anything he said might have some basis in fact.
Unfortunately, Trump himself is a basic fact.
Peak Warming Man said:
I found it outrageous that Facebook has removed Trumps post in which he said children are almost immune from the virus.
It has a basis in fact and Brendan Murphy and other state health officials have said virtually the same thing.
This Trump phobia over the top stuff in the media is the only thing that might get him re-elected.
Yes, journalists should stop reporting what experts say.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I found it outrageous that Facebook has removed Trumps post in which he said children are almost immune from the virus.
It has a basis in fact and Brendan Murphy and other state health officials have said virtually the same thing.
This Trump phobia over the top stuff in the media is the only thing that might get him re-elected.
Yes, journalists should stop reporting what experts say.
Tamb said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I found it outrageous that Facebook has removed Trumps post in which he said children are almost immune from the virus.
It has a basis in fact and Brendan Murphy and other state health officials have said virtually the same thing.
This Trump phobia over the top stuff in the media is the only thing that might get him re-elected.
Yes, journalists should stop reporting what experts say.
Journalists should lie all the time so we’d know never to trust them.
And then experts could lie too and we’d have lots of fun ¡
Peak Warming Man said:
I found it outrageous that Facebook has removed Trumps post in which he said children are almost immune from the virus.
It has a basis in fact and Brendan Murphy and other state health officials have said virtually the same thing.
This Trump phobia over the top stuff in the media is the only thing that might get him re-elected.
Uh-oh
This Trump Derangement Syndrome Derangement Syndrome is really contagious.
Be sure to wear your masks and lean back in your chair when reading PWM posts.
dv said:
What’s the connection?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
What’s the connection?
^
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
What’s the connection?
^
Paying for sex with young girls?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
What’s the connection?
The US heads of DB participated in Epstein’s fun and games ???
Here’s what DJT had to say about Biden in Ohio yesterday.
“He’s following the radical left agenda. Take away your guns, destroy your Second Amendment. No religion, no anything, hurt the Bible, hurt God. He’s against God, he’s against guns, he’s against energy, our kind of energy.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53688009
dv said:
Here’s what DJT had to say about Biden in Ohio yesterday.
“He’s following the radical left agenda. Take away your guns, destroy your Second Amendment. No religion, no anything, hurt the Bible, hurt God. He’s against God, he’s against guns, he’s against energy, our kind of energy.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53688009
The cognitive gulf widens. I suppose we should be thankful that the dumdums have such an obviously appropriate champion.
dv said:
Here’s what DJT had to say about Biden in Ohio yesterday.
“He’s following the radical left agenda. Take away your guns, destroy your Second Amendment. No religion, no anything, hurt the Bible, hurt God. He’s against God, he’s against guns, he’s against energy, our kind of energy.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53688009

ABC News:
‘‘The most significant estate auction we’ve done’: Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s goods go under the hammer
ABC Wide Bay
/ By Kallee Buchanan
A 1982 Jaguar saloon and a famous scone recipe engraved on a ceramic spoon are among the items up for sale from the estate of Sir Joh and Lady Florence Bjelke-Petersen.’
I wonder if there’s a corkscrew among those effects.
I’d bid seriously for that.
To be able to say ‘this is Joh’s corkscrew – and it’s nowhere near as bent as he was’.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Here’s what DJT had to say about Biden in Ohio yesterday.
“He’s following the radical left agenda. Take away your guns, destroy your Second Amendment. No religion, no anything, hurt the Bible, hurt God. He’s against God, he’s against guns, he’s against energy, our kind of energy.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53688009
and the mass shootings !
I blame Trump for that.
He signed the bill allowing people with mental illness to buy guns again.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘‘The most significant estate auction we’ve done’: Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s goods go under the hammer
ABC Wide Bay
/ By Kallee Buchanan
A 1982 Jaguar saloon and a famous scone recipe engraved on a ceramic spoon are among the items up for sale from the estate of Sir Joh and Lady Florence Bjelke-Petersen.’I wonder if there’s a corkscrew among those effects.
I’d bid seriously for that.
To be able to say ‘this is Joh’s corkscrew – and it’s nowhere near as bent as he was’.
(sigh) wrong thread
apologies
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Here’s what DJT had to say about Biden in Ohio yesterday.
“He’s following the radical left agenda. Take away your guns, destroy your Second Amendment. No religion, no anything, hurt the Bible, hurt God. He’s against God, he’s against guns, he’s against energy, our kind of energy.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53688009
and the mass shootings !
I blame Trump for that.
He signed the bill allowing people with mental illness to buy guns again.
What do you mean?
Americans have always been able to buy guns.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘‘The most significant estate auction we’ve done’: Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s goods go under the hammer
ABC Wide Bay
/ By Kallee Buchanan
A 1982 Jaguar saloon and a famous scone recipe engraved on a ceramic spoon are among the items up for sale from the estate of Sir Joh and Lady Florence Bjelke-Petersen.’I wonder if there’s a corkscrew among those effects.
I’d bid seriously for that.
To be able to say ‘this is Joh’s corkscrew – and it’s nowhere near as bent as he was’.
Don’t you worry about that.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
and the mass shootings !
I blame Trump for that.
He signed the bill allowing people with mental illness to buy guns again.
What do you mean?
Americans have always been able to buy guns.
Oh, I see
Sorry
All Americans
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘‘The most significant estate auction we’ve done’: Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s goods go under the hammer
ABC Wide Bay
/ By Kallee Buchanan
A 1982 Jaguar saloon and a famous scone recipe engraved on a ceramic spoon are among the items up for sale from the estate of Sir Joh and Lady Florence Bjelke-Petersen.’I wonder if there’s a corkscrew among those effects.
I’d bid seriously for that.
To be able to say ‘this is Joh’s corkscrew – and it’s nowhere near as bent as he was’.
LOLs
Twitter has locked the Trump campaign’s account over a clip containing misinformation about the novel coronavirus, saying the account will be able to resume tweeting only if it deletes the tweet in question.
—-
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/510804-twitter-bans-trump-campaign-until-it-deletes-tweet-with-covid-19
This steps it up a notch
dv said:
Twitter has locked the Trump campaign’s account over a clip containing misinformation about the novel coronavirus, saying the account will be able to resume tweeting only if it deletes the tweet in question.—-
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/510804-twitter-bans-trump-campaign-until-it-deletes-tweet-with-covid-19
This steps it up a notch
This isn’t Trump’s main account so it’s not that big a deal IMO.
Can’t see Twitter abandoning Trump.
How deep in the tank do you have to be to humiliate yourself like this for Trump?
dv said:
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How deep in the tank do you have to be to humiliate yourself like this for Trump?
So the thai people are really the thigh people? I know they grow some opium there but…
“Tai-land is the crude lingo of people who have never been to “Thigh-land”.”
I’ve been to Thailand.
Thais say ‘tai’.
\ฉันเป็นคนไทย /chán bpen kon tai/ – I am Thai.
captain_spalding said:
“Tai-land is the crude lingo of people who have never been to “Thigh-land”.”I’ve been to Thailand.
Thais say ‘tai’.
\ฉันเป็นคนไทย /chán bpen kon tai/ – I am Thai.
Now your aitches they used to say but hey I wasn’t aware Trump could read.
Lets see how Trump pronounces:
Connecticut, Boise (Idaho) , Fontainebleau (that’s in his ‘teacher’s pet’ state of Florida), Iaeger (West Virginia), or Poughkeepsie (New York).
John Bolton is on Planet America’s Fireside Chat’ today at 1.15pm on the ABC News 24 channel.
captain_spalding said:
“Tai-land is the crude lingo of people who have never been to “Thigh-land”.”I’ve been to Thailand.
Thais say ‘tai’.
\ฉันเป็นคนไทย /chán bpen kon tai/ – I am Thai.
Bo one, anywhere, says thighland, except complete ignorami.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
“Tai-land is the crude lingo of people who have never been to “Thigh-land”.”I’ve been to Thailand.
Thais say ‘tai’.
\ฉันเป็นคนไทย /chán bpen kon tai/ – I am Thai.
Bo one, anywhere, says thighland, except complete ignorami.
Defo tai not thai
Tamb said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
“Tai-land is the crude lingo of people who have never been to “Thigh-land”.”I’ve been to Thailand.
Thais say ‘tai’.
\ฉันเป็นคนไทย /chán bpen kon tai/ – I am Thai.
Bo one, anywhere, says thighland, except complete ignorami.
Defo tai not thai
That’s Chinese.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
dv said:Bo one, anywhere, says thighland, except complete ignorami.
Defo tai not thai
That’s Chinese.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:Defo tai not thai
That’s Chinese.
Yes. It was a poor attempt at humour.
That your bottle?
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:That’s Chinese.
Yes. It was a poor attempt at humour.That your bottle?
The Trump campaign is fielding some heavy criticism after they played Paul McCartney’s “Live and Let Die” just before Trump gave a speech to a small audience in Ohio. At the very least, the song choice is being called “inappropriate” in the middle of a pandemic of a deadly illness that just hit a death toll of 160,000 in the U.S.
Reporter Robert Mackey also pointed out that Republican Governor Mike DeWine could not attend this event because he had tested positive for COVID-19.
https://god.dailydot.com/live-let-die-trump-speech/
Not satire
dv said:
The Trump campaign is fielding some heavy criticism after they played Paul McCartney’s “Live and Let Die” just before Trump gave a speech to a small audience in Ohio. At the very least, the song choice is being called “inappropriate” in the middle of a pandemic of a deadly illness that just hit a death toll of 160,000 in the U.S.Reporter Robert Mackey also pointed out that Republican Governor Mike DeWine could not attend this event because he had tested positive for COVID-19.
https://god.dailydot.com/live-let-die-trump-speech/
Not satire
I don’t think McCartney would be pleased either.
Sarah recommends..
TRUMP VS RAMP LYRIC VIDEO – THERE’S NO WAY – GREGORY BROTHERS SONGIFY 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDBVYO_8p0U
sarahs mum said:
Sarah recommends..TRUMP VS RAMP LYRIC VIDEO – THERE’S NO WAY – GREGORY BROTHERS SONGIFY 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDBVYO_8p0U
:)
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Sarah recommends..TRUMP VS RAMP LYRIC VIDEO – THERE’S NO WAY – GREGORY BROTHERS SONGIFY 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDBVYO_8p0U
:)
It is well done, but it must have taken a great amount of effort that could have been directed at something else.
party_pants said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Sarah recommends..TRUMP VS RAMP LYRIC VIDEO – THERE’S NO WAY – GREGORY BROTHERS SONGIFY 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDBVYO_8p0U
:)
It is well done, but it must have taken a great amount of effort that could have been directed at something else.
You could say that about so many things in 2020.
party_pants said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Sarah recommends..TRUMP VS RAMP LYRIC VIDEO – THERE’S NO WAY – GREGORY BROTHERS SONGIFY 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDBVYO_8p0U
:)
It is well done, but it must have taken a great amount of effort that could have been directed at something else.
such as?
That’s literally what the Gregory Brothers do for a living.
Judge rules E. Jean Carroll can continue to seek Trump’s DNA in defamation suit
A New York state Supreme Court judge on Thursday denied President Donald Trump’s effort to delay the proceedings in a defamation lawsuit filed against him by longtime magazine columnist E. Jean Carroll, a move that allows her to pursue his DNA sample in an effort to prove claims he sexually assaulted her in the 1990s.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/07/politics/e-jean-carroll-trump-dna/index.html
Trump’s latest interview vs monty python parrot sketch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYafgN9edy4&fbclid=IwAR2Xr0YKErYT2BKEyYbwHmJTtftNzAlRY-G03Swah4QO0Ch7PvHaxzPltwA
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s latest interview vs monty python parrot sketchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYafgN9edy4&fbclid=IwAR2Xr0YKErYT2BKEyYbwHmJTtftNzAlRY-G03Swah4QO0Ch7PvHaxzPltwA
Very nicely done :)
and the first time I’ve seen the famous interview.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s latest interview vs monty python parrot sketchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYafgN9edy4&fbclid=IwAR2Xr0YKErYT2BKEyYbwHmJTtftNzAlRY-G03Swah4QO0Ch7PvHaxzPltwA
Very nicely done :)
and the first time I’ve seen the famous interview.
It’s a good bit of comedy.
President Trump. Full Interview – AXIOS on HBO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR-e2NHiFTU
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s latest interview vs monty python parrot sketchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYafgN9edy4&fbclid=IwAR2Xr0YKErYT2BKEyYbwHmJTtftNzAlRY-G03Swah4QO0Ch7PvHaxzPltwA
:)
House can subpoena former White House counsel Don McGahn to testify, appeals court rules
(CNN)The House of Representatives can sue to force former White House counsel Don McGahn to testify, a federal appeals court ruled Friday, but McGahn can continue to challenge the House’s subpoena and likely will not have to appear anytime soon.
A divided US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit said McGahn’s refusal to testify is grounds for the House to sue.
The ruling is a win for Congress as a whole, emphasizing that it can sue to take an administration to court when there’s a standoff between the branches, and a loss for President Donald Trump and the administration’s attempt to expand executive powers.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/07/politics/don-mcgahn-subpoena/index.html
sarahs mum said:
President Trump. Full Interview – AXIOS on HBO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR-e2NHiFTU
“…saved millions of people.”
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
President Trump. Full Interview – AXIOS on HBO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR-e2NHiFTU
“…saved millions of people.”
It’s so painful. It is so thick that you can only take so much of it. And then you need a rest from it.
It would be a three minute interview if he just answered a fucking question.
Washington (CNN)
President Donald Trump abruptly ended a Saturday news conference after a reporter challenged him on a lie about veterans health care he has told more than 150 times.
Trump, speaking at his Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club, had claimed again that he is the one who got the Veterans Choice program passed — adding, “They’ve been trying to get that passed for decades and decades and decades and no president’s ever been able to do it, and we got it done.”
In fact, former President Barack Obama signed the Choice program into law in 2014. The law, which allowed eligible veterans to be covered by the government for care provided by doctors outside the VA system, was a bipartisan initiative spearheaded by two senators Trump has repeatedly criticized, Bernie Sanders of Vermont and the late John McCain of Arizona.
What Trump signed was a 2018 law, the VA MISSION Act, that modified and expanded the eligibility criteria from the Choice program. Rather than tout that bill, Trump has claimed over and over that he created Veterans Choice itself — after others had failed for “50 years.”
“Why do you keep saying that you passed Veterans Choice?” CBS News White House correspondent Paula Reid asked Trump at the Saturday news conference, during which Trump announced executive actions on coronavirus relief.
As Trump tried to call on another reporter instead, Reid continued, “You said that you passed Veterans Choice. It was passed in 2014…it was a false statement, sir.”
—-
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/08/politics/trump-veterans-choice-paula-reid/index.html
dv said:
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump abruptly ended a Saturday news conference after a reporter challenged him on a lie about veterans health care he has told more than 150 times.
Trump, speaking at his Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club, had claimed again that he is the one who got the Veterans Choice program passed — adding, “They’ve been trying to get that passed for decades and decades and decades and no president’s ever been able to do it, and we got it done.”
In fact, former President Barack Obama signed the Choice program into law in 2014. The law, which allowed eligible veterans to be covered by the government for care provided by doctors outside the VA system, was a bipartisan initiative spearheaded by two senators Trump has repeatedly criticized, Bernie Sanders of Vermont and the late John McCain of Arizona.
What Trump signed was a 2018 law, the VA MISSION Act, that modified and expanded the eligibility criteria from the Choice program. Rather than tout that bill, Trump has claimed over and over that he created Veterans Choice itself — after others had failed for “50 years.”
“Why do you keep saying that you passed Veterans Choice?” CBS News White House correspondent Paula Reid asked Trump at the Saturday news conference, during which Trump announced executive actions on coronavirus relief.
As Trump tried to call on another reporter instead, Reid continued, “You said that you passed Veterans Choice. It was passed in 2014…it was a false statement, sir.”
—-https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/08/politics/trump-veterans-choice-paula-reid/index.html
The absolute chutzpa is quite fucking amazing.
dv said:
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump abruptly ended a Saturday news conference after a reporter challenged him on a lie about veterans health care he has told more than 150 times.
Trump, speaking at his Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club, had claimed again that he is the one who got the Veterans Choice program passed — adding, “They’ve been trying to get that passed for decades and decades and decades and no president’s ever been able to do it, and we got it done.”
In fact, former President Barack Obama signed the Choice program into law in 2014. The law, which allowed eligible veterans to be covered by the government for care provided by doctors outside the VA system, was a bipartisan initiative spearheaded by two senators Trump has repeatedly criticized, Bernie Sanders of Vermont and the late John McCain of Arizona.
What Trump signed was a 2018 law, the VA MISSION Act, that modified and expanded the eligibility criteria from the Choice program. Rather than tout that bill, Trump has claimed over and over that he created Veterans Choice itself — after others had failed for “50 years.”
“Why do you keep saying that you passed Veterans Choice?” CBS News White House correspondent Paula Reid asked Trump at the Saturday news conference, during which Trump announced executive actions on coronavirus relief.
As Trump tried to call on another reporter instead, Reid continued, “You said that you passed Veterans Choice. It was passed in 2014…it was a false statement, sir.”
—-https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/08/politics/trump-veterans-choice-paula-reid/index.html
Don’t call him “sir”, call him “shitto”.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump abruptly ended a Saturday news conference after a reporter challenged him on a lie about veterans health care he has told more than 150 times.
Trump, speaking at his Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club, had claimed again that he is the one who got the Veterans Choice program passed — adding, “They’ve been trying to get that passed for decades and decades and decades and no president’s ever been able to do it, and we got it done.”
In fact, former President Barack Obama signed the Choice program into law in 2014. The law, which allowed eligible veterans to be covered by the government for care provided by doctors outside the VA system, was a bipartisan initiative spearheaded by two senators Trump has repeatedly criticized, Bernie Sanders of Vermont and the late John McCain of Arizona.
What Trump signed was a 2018 law, the VA MISSION Act, that modified and expanded the eligibility criteria from the Choice program. Rather than tout that bill, Trump has claimed over and over that he created Veterans Choice itself — after others had failed for “50 years.”
“Why do you keep saying that you passed Veterans Choice?” CBS News White House correspondent Paula Reid asked Trump at the Saturday news conference, during which Trump announced executive actions on coronavirus relief.
As Trump tried to call on another reporter instead, Reid continued, “You said that you passed Veterans Choice. It was passed in 2014…it was a false statement, sir.”
—-https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/08/politics/trump-veterans-choice-paula-reid/index.html
The absolute chutzpa is quite fucking amazing.
It is about time reporters started challenging his rehearsed lines at press conferences.
“It was a false statement shitto, and you know it. You’re just a guy in a rubber suit, you’re just a lie, not a grain of troot.”
sibeen said:
The absolute chutzpa is quite fucking amazing.
Trump:
a) can’t retain complex ideas or sequences of events in his head. Even he can’t tell what’s true in what he says, and what’s lies, half the time.
b) has told the same lies so many times that he believes them to be true
c) believes in the premise that if you tell the same lie to other people enough times, then they’ll begin to believe it’s the truth, too.
captain_spalding said:
c) believes in the premise that if you tell the same lie to other people enough times, then they’ll begin to believe it’s the truth, too.
Trump has actually proven that to be true.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:c) believes in the premise that if you tell the same lie to other people enough times, then they’ll begin to believe it’s the truth, too.
Trump has actually proven that to be true.
But it was a known truth long before trump.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:c) believes in the premise that if you tell the same lie to other people enough times, then they’ll begin to believe it’s the truth, too.
Trump has actually proven that to be true.
But it was a known truth long before trump.
Trump has simply been exploiting it from the bassinet on.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:c) believes in the premise that if you tell the same lie to other people enough times, then they’ll begin to believe it’s the truth, too.
Trump has actually proven that to be true.
But it was a known truth long before trump.
But surely this socialist medicine is inherently bad anyway.
I dreamed Trump was going against Arnold Schwarzenegger in the election and I was wondering why he was allowed to run when you need to be US-born to be POTUS.
Divine Angel said:
I dreamed Trump was going against Arnold Schwarzenegger in the election and I was wondering why he was allowed to run when you need to be US-born to be POTUS.
I have never yet dreamed of Trump and if did so I’d probably be looking for a hangover cure.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dark Orange said:Trump has actually proven that to be true.
But it was a known truth long before trump.
Trump has simply been exploiting it from the bassinet on.
Dr Goebbels was a great proponent of this strategy.
Hey Tamb, you still in the big smoke?
Dark Orange said:
Hey Tamb, you still in the big smoke?
The ODNI (Office of the Director of National Intelligence) today released information to the public that had previously been reserved for Congressional Committee briefings, indicating that Russia is actively attempting to interfere with the 2020 election in order to favour Donald Trump. Russia, the assessment said, “is using a range of measures to primarily denigrate” Biden. “For example, pro-Russia Ukrainian parliamentarian Andriy Derkach is spreading claims about corruption – including through publicizing leaked phone calls – to undermine former Vice President Biden’s candidacy and the Democratic Party.” Misinformation delivered by Derkach has been repeatedly referred to by Republican Senator Chuck Grassley, who is the chair of the Senate Finance Committee, and Republican Senator Ron Johnson, who is Chair of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. The report also mentioned that “China prefers that President Trump – whom Beijing sees as unpredictable – does not win reelection”, but that there was no intel suggesting they had taken actions to advance this cause. They also note that Iran wants to “seek to undermine U.S. democratic institutions”.
Today when asked about the Director of National Intelligence’s report,
Trump – “The last person Russia wants to see in office is Donald Trump because nobody’s been tougher on Russian than I have, ever. “
Journalist – “That’s not what the intelligence says.”
Trump – I don’t care what anybody says.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/07/us-intel-russia-trying-to-hurt-biden-but-china-iran-dont-want-trump.html
Trump Invites Golf Club Members To News Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUkgNrZGl44
Stable Genius claims the Spanish Flu “probably ended the Second World War”
https://twitter.com/FrankAtHPP/status/1292956731073585154?s=09
dv said:
Stable Genius claims the Spanish Flu “probably ended the Second World War”
https://twitter.com/FrankAtHPP/status/1292956731073585154?s=09
Rule 303 said:
“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50-100 million people. Probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick,” Mr Trump said.
Rule posted the above earlier in the Rona thread. I just assumed it was a pisstake; I mean, surely, no-one, not a soul, could possibly be that fucking clueless.
Apparently I was mistaken.
sibeen said:
dv said:Stable Genius claims the Spanish Flu “probably ended the Second World War”
https://twitter.com/FrankAtHPP/status/1292956731073585154?s=09
Rule 303 said:
“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50-100 million people. Probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick,” Mr Trump said.
Rule posted the above earlier in the Rona thread. I just assumed it was a pisstake; I mean, surely, no-one, not a soul, could possibly be that fucking clueless.
Apparently I was mistaken.
It’s amazing how even after all this time he still exceeds expectations.
sibeen said:
dv said:Stable Genius claims the Spanish Flu “probably ended the Second World War”
https://twitter.com/FrankAtHPP/status/1292956731073585154?s=09
Rule 303 said:
“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50-100 million people. Probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick,” Mr Trump said.
Rule posted the above earlier in the Rona thread. I just assumed it was a pisstake; I mean, surely, no-one, not a soul, could possibly be that fucking clueless.
Apparently I was mistaken.
It’s been four years.
Just sayin’.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:Stable Genius claims the Spanish Flu “probably ended the Second World War”
https://twitter.com/FrankAtHPP/status/1292956731073585154?s=09
Rule 303 said:
“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50-100 million people. Probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick,” Mr Trump said.
Rule posted the above earlier in the Rona thread. I just assumed it was a pisstake; I mean, surely, no-one, not a soul, could possibly be that fucking clueless.
Apparently I was mistaken.
It’s amazing how even after all this time he still exceeds expectations.
I mean, look, he is advocating the opening of schools up and I think in this case it might be a great thing, because if he is a product of the finest education then they need as much school as they can get.
Arts said:
dv said:
sibeen said:Rule 303 said:
“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50-100 million people. Probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick,” Mr Trump said.
Rule posted the above earlier in the Rona thread. I just assumed it was a pisstake; I mean, surely, no-one, not a soul, could possibly be that fucking clueless.
Apparently I was mistaken.
It’s amazing how even after all this time he still exceeds expectations.
I mean, look, he is advocating the opening of schools up and I think in this case it might be a great thing, because if he is a product of the finest education then they need as much school as they can get.
This is why I get annoyed when people try and embellish things to make him look bad and can be picked up on the fact.
Tell the truth and nothing but the truth. It’s damming enough.
sibeen said:
Arts said:
dv said:It’s amazing how even after all this time he still exceeds expectations.
I mean, look, he is advocating the opening of schools up and I think in this case it might be a great thing, because if he is a product of the finest education then they need as much school as they can get.
This is why I get annoyed when people try and embellish things to make him look bad and can be picked up on the fact.
Tell the truth and nothing but the truth. It’s damming enough.
Well obviously he was joking.
And anyway, it was just a slip of the tongue, could happen to anybody.
And Germany hadn’t really recovered from all those soldiers dying in WW1, so it was why they lost WW2 as well.
So it’s all just the liberal socialist commies and their Trump Derangement Systems.
The Rev Dodgson said:
So it’s all just the liberal socialist commies and their Trump Derangement Systems.
Or syndromes, as they are sometimes known.
President Trump was asked this question in today’s briefing
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-august-12
Speaker 8: (54:15)
Thank you, Mr. President. You have warned several times that Joe Biden is elected president, that there will be an invasion in suburban neighborhoods. It’s a sentiment that you expressed in a Tweet again this morning. What exactly do you mean by invasion?
President Donald Trump: (54:31)
What I mean is people are going to become … they’re going to be opening up areas of your neighborhood, which they’re doing and now they’re going to do … they wanted to expand it and they will expand it, if for any reason they’re going to … In my opinion, destroy suburbia. And just so you understand, 30% plus of the people living in suburbia are minorities, African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American, they’re minorities, 30%. The number’s even higher it’s, they say 35, but I like to cut it a little bit lower. You know why? That way I can never get myself in too much trouble with the fake news, but 30% plus are minorities living in suburbia. And when they go in and they want to change zoning, so that you have lots of problems where they want to build low-income housing. You want something where people can aspire to be there, not something where it gets hurt badly. And that’s what happens.
President Donald Trump: (55:32)
So, with suburban women, suburban men, I think they feel very strongly about what I’m doing. I mean, it’s a very fair question, it’s a very important question, but they fought all their lives to be there. And then all of a sudden, they have something happened that changes their life and changes what they fought for for so many years. John please?
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Is there more than one way to interpret this?
dv said:
President Trump was asked this question in today’s briefinghttps://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-august-12
Speaker 8: (54:15)
Thank you, Mr. President. You have warned several times that Joe Biden is elected president, that there will be an invasion in suburban neighborhoods. It’s a sentiment that you expressed in a Tweet again this morning. What exactly do you mean by invasion?President Donald Trump: (54:31)
What I mean is people are going to become … they’re going to be opening up areas of your neighborhood, which they’re doing and now they’re going to do … they wanted to expand it and they will expand it, if for any reason they’re going to … In my opinion, destroy suburbia. And just so you understand, 30% plus of the people living in suburbia are minorities, African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American, they’re minorities, 30%. The number’s even higher it’s, they say 35, but I like to cut it a little bit lower. You know why? That way I can never get myself in too much trouble with the fake news, but 30% plus are minorities living in suburbia. And when they go in and they want to change zoning, so that you have lots of problems where they want to build low-income housing. You want something where people can aspire to be there, not something where it gets hurt badly. And that’s what happens.President Donald Trump: (55:32)
So, with suburban women, suburban men, I think they feel very strongly about what I’m doing. I mean, it’s a very fair question, it’s a very important question, but they fought all their lives to be there. And then all of a sudden, they have something happened that changes their life and changes what they fought for for so many years. John please?—-
Is there more than one way to interpret this?
No I’d say that looks about right, 30% is close enough or 30% plus going on to 35%…….36% there abouts, yeah.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
President Trump was asked this question in today’s briefinghttps://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-august-12
Speaker 8: (54:15)
Thank you, Mr. President. You have warned several times that Joe Biden is elected president, that there will be an invasion in suburban neighborhoods. It’s a sentiment that you expressed in a Tweet again this morning. What exactly do you mean by invasion?President Donald Trump: (54:31)
What I mean is people are going to become … they’re going to be opening up areas of your neighborhood, which they’re doing and now they’re going to do … they wanted to expand it and they will expand it, if for any reason they’re going to … In my opinion, destroy suburbia. And just so you understand, 30% plus of the people living in suburbia are minorities, African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American, they’re minorities, 30%. The number’s even higher it’s, they say 35, but I like to cut it a little bit lower. You know why? That way I can never get myself in too much trouble with the fake news, but 30% plus are minorities living in suburbia. And when they go in and they want to change zoning, so that you have lots of problems where they want to build low-income housing. You want something where people can aspire to be there, not something where it gets hurt badly. And that’s what happens.President Donald Trump: (55:32)
So, with suburban women, suburban men, I think they feel very strongly about what I’m doing. I mean, it’s a very fair question, it’s a very important question, but they fought all their lives to be there. And then all of a sudden, they have something happened that changes their life and changes what they fought for for so many years. John please?—-
Is there more than one way to interpret this?
No I’d say that looks about right, 30% is close enough or 30% plus going on to 35%…….36% there abouts, yeah.
Oh. And there I was viewing the question as being about racism and housing and homelessness and the Trump families historical interest in real estate. I forgot to interpret the percentages.
dv said:
President Trump was asked this question in today’s briefinghttps://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-august-12
Speaker 8: (54:15)
Thank you, Mr. President. You have warned several times that Joe Biden is elected president, that there will be an invasion in suburban neighborhoods. It’s a sentiment that you expressed in a Tweet again this morning. What exactly do you mean by invasion?President Donald Trump: (54:31)
What I mean is people are going to become … they’re going to be opening up areas of your neighborhood, which they’re doing and now they’re going to do … they wanted to expand it and they will expand it, if for any reason they’re going to … In my opinion, destroy suburbia. And just so you understand, 30% plus of the people living in suburbia are minorities, African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American, they’re minorities, 30%. The number’s even higher it’s, they say 35, but I like to cut it a little bit lower. You know why? That way I can never get myself in too much trouble with the fake news, but 30% plus are minorities living in suburbia. And when they go in and they want to change zoning, so that you have lots of problems where they want to build low-income housing. You want something where people can aspire to be there, not something where it gets hurt badly. And that’s what happens.President Donald Trump: (55:32)
So, with suburban women, suburban men, I think they feel very strongly about what I’m doing. I mean, it’s a very fair question, it’s a very important question, but they fought all their lives to be there. And then all of a sudden, they have something happened that changes their life and changes what they fought for for so many years. John please?—-
Is there more than one way to interpret this?
Other than poorly-worded, dog-whistling racism?
Well, yeah, just add another 15 to 20% and we won’t have that minority problem any more will we, hey hey ¿
dv said:
President Trump was asked this question in today’s briefinghttps://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-august-12
Speaker 8: (54:15)
Thank you, Mr. President. You have warned several times that Joe Biden is elected president, that there will be an invasion in suburban neighborhoods. It’s a sentiment that you expressed in a Tweet again this morning. What exactly do you mean by invasion?President Donald Trump: (54:31)
What I mean is people are going to become … they’re going to be opening up areas of your neighborhood, which they’re doing and now they’re going to do … they wanted to expand it and they will expand it, if for any reason they’re going to … In my opinion, destroy suburbia. And just so you understand, 30% plus of the people living in suburbia are minorities, African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American, they’re minorities, 30%. The number’s even higher it’s, they say 35, but I like to cut it a little bit lower. You know why? That way I can never get myself in too much trouble with the fake news, but 30% plus are minorities living in suburbia. And when they go in and they want to change zoning, so that you have lots of problems where they want to build low-income housing. You want something where people can aspire to be there, not something where it gets hurt badly. And that’s what happens.President Donald Trump: (55:32)
So, with suburban women, suburban men, I think they feel very strongly about what I’m doing. I mean, it’s a very fair question, it’s a very important question, but they fought all their lives to be there. And then all of a sudden, they have something happened that changes their life and changes what they fought for for so many years. John please?—-
Is there more than one way to interpret this?
I’d suggest there’d be thousands of ways to interpret it. I, for one, have no idea what it means, it appears to be some form of incoherent ramble.
SCIENCE said:
Well, yeah, just add another 15 to 20% and we won’t have that minority problem any more will we, hey hey ¿
SCIENCE!
Sorry, should have posted spoiler alert. Please carry on all, we shall entertain you with some rocks and flowers.
sibeen said:
dv said:
President Trump was asked this question in today’s briefinghttps://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-august-12
Speaker 8: (54:15)
Thank you, Mr. President. You have warned several times that Joe Biden is elected president, that there will be an invasion in suburban neighborhoods. It’s a sentiment that you expressed in a Tweet again this morning. What exactly do you mean by invasion?President Donald Trump: (54:31)
What I mean is people are going to become … they’re going to be opening up areas of your neighborhood, which they’re doing and now they’re going to do … they wanted to expand it and they will expand it, if for any reason they’re going to … In my opinion, destroy suburbia. And just so you understand, 30% plus of the people living in suburbia are minorities, African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American, they’re minorities, 30%. The number’s even higher it’s, they say 35, but I like to cut it a little bit lower. You know why? That way I can never get myself in too much trouble with the fake news, but 30% plus are minorities living in suburbia. And when they go in and they want to change zoning, so that you have lots of problems where they want to build low-income housing. You want something where people can aspire to be there, not something where it gets hurt badly. And that’s what happens.President Donald Trump: (55:32)
So, with suburban women, suburban men, I think they feel very strongly about what I’m doing. I mean, it’s a very fair question, it’s a very important question, but they fought all their lives to be there. And then all of a sudden, they have something happened that changes their life and changes what they fought for for so many years. John please?—-
Is there more than one way to interpret this?
I’d suggest there’d be thousands of ways to interpret it. I, for one, have no idea what it means, it appears to be some form of incoherent ramble.
Oh good, it isn’t just me that has no idea at all what is being talked about.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
President Trump was asked this question in today’s briefinghttps://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-august-12
Speaker 8: (54:15)
Thank you, Mr. President. You have warned several times that Joe Biden is elected president, that there will be an invasion in suburban neighborhoods. It’s a sentiment that you expressed in a Tweet again this morning. What exactly do you mean by invasion?President Donald Trump: (54:31)
What I mean is people are going to become … they’re going to be opening up areas of your neighborhood, which they’re doing and now they’re going to do … they wanted to expand it and they will expand it, if for any reason they’re going to … In my opinion, destroy suburbia. And just so you understand, 30% plus of the people living in suburbia are minorities, African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American, they’re minorities, 30%. The number’s even higher it’s, they say 35, but I like to cut it a little bit lower. You know why? That way I can never get myself in too much trouble with the fake news, but 30% plus are minorities living in suburbia. And when they go in and they want to change zoning, so that you have lots of problems where they want to build low-income housing. You want something where people can aspire to be there, not something where it gets hurt badly. And that’s what happens.President Donald Trump: (55:32)
So, with suburban women, suburban men, I think they feel very strongly about what I’m doing. I mean, it’s a very fair question, it’s a very important question, but they fought all their lives to be there. And then all of a sudden, they have something happened that changes their life and changes what they fought for for so many years. John please?—-
Is there more than one way to interpret this?
I’d suggest there’d be thousands of ways to interpret it. I, for one, have no idea what it means, it appears to be some form of incoherent ramble.
Oh good, it isn’t just me that has no idea at all what is being talked about.
in some years to come his rambles will be a quiz question…
which president said the following, “..it was a great effort, a tremendous effort, no one else could have made an effort like that, but I managed it, because I’m a smart guy, cofeffe, man, woman, camera TV.”
buffy said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
President Trump was asked this question in today’s briefinghttps://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-august-12
Speaker 8: (54:15)
Thank you, Mr. President. You have warned several times that Joe Biden is elected president, that there will be an invasion in suburban neighborhoods. It’s a sentiment that you expressed in a Tweet again this morning. What exactly do you mean by invasion?President Donald Trump: (54:31)
What I mean is people are going to become … they’re going to be opening up areas of your neighborhood, which they’re doing and now they’re going to do … they wanted to expand it and they will expand it, if for any reason they’re going to … In my opinion, destroy suburbia. And just so you understand, 30% plus of the people living in suburbia are minorities, African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American, they’re minorities, 30%. The number’s even higher it’s, they say 35, but I like to cut it a little bit lower. You know why? That way I can never get myself in too much trouble with the fake news, but 30% plus are minorities living in suburbia. And when they go in and they want to change zoning, so that you have lots of problems where they want to build low-income housing. You want something where people can aspire to be there, not something where it gets hurt badly. And that’s what happens.President Donald Trump: (55:32)
So, with suburban women, suburban men, I think they feel very strongly about what I’m doing. I mean, it’s a very fair question, it’s a very important question, but they fought all their lives to be there. And then all of a sudden, they have something happened that changes their life and changes what they fought for for so many years. John please?—-
Is there more than one way to interpret this?
I’d suggest there’d be thousands of ways to interpret it. I, for one, have no idea what it means, it appears to be some form of incoherent ramble.
Oh good, it isn’t just me that has no idea at all what is being talked about.
I gave up trying to work Trump out. He’s been going downhill or somewhere too far away, for some time now.
Who’s John?
Sounds like someone on Trump’s staff who tries to find something to make sense with.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:I’d suggest there’d be thousands of ways to interpret it. I, for one, have no idea what it means, it appears to be some form of incoherent ramble.
Oh good, it isn’t just me that has no idea at all what is being talked about.
I gave up trying to work Trump out. He’s been going downhill or somewhere too far away, for some time now.
Who’s John?
Sounds like someone on Trump’s staff who tries to find something to make sense with.
John is another reporter, this was spoken in todays briefing, where many reporters attend, Trump was simply calling John for the next question.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:Oh good, it isn’t just me that has no idea at all what is being talked about.
I gave up trying to work Trump out. He’s been going downhill or somewhere too far away, for some time now.
Who’s John?
Sounds like someone on Trump’s staff who tries to find something to make sense with.
John is another reporter, this was spoken in todays briefing, where many reporters attend, Trump was simply calling John for the next question.
OK.
He changes the subject whenever he realises he doesn’t know the answer.
sibeen said:
dv said:
President Trump was asked this question in today’s briefinghttps://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-august-12
Speaker 8: (54:15)
Thank you, Mr. President. You have warned several times that Joe Biden is elected president, that there will be an invasion in suburban neighborhoods. It’s a sentiment that you expressed in a Tweet again this morning. What exactly do you mean by invasion?President Donald Trump: (54:31)
What I mean is people are going to become … they’re going to be opening up areas of your neighborhood, which they’re doing and now they’re going to do … they wanted to expand it and they will expand it, if for any reason they’re going to … In my opinion, destroy suburbia. And just so you understand, 30% plus of the people living in suburbia are minorities, African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American, they’re minorities, 30%. The number’s even higher it’s, they say 35, but I like to cut it a little bit lower. You know why? That way I can never get myself in too much trouble with the fake news, but 30% plus are minorities living in suburbia. And when they go in and they want to change zoning, so that you have lots of problems where they want to build low-income housing. You want something where people can aspire to be there, not something where it gets hurt badly. And that’s what happens.President Donald Trump: (55:32)
So, with suburban women, suburban men, I think they feel very strongly about what I’m doing. I mean, it’s a very fair question, it’s a very important question, but they fought all their lives to be there. And then all of a sudden, they have something happened that changes their life and changes what they fought for for so many years. John please?—-
Is there more than one way to interpret this?
I’d suggest there’d be thousands of ways to interpret it. I, for one, have no idea what it means, it appears to be some form of incoherent ramble.
I interpret it as expressing strongly held beliefs about the undesirability of African-American, Asian-American, or Hispanic-American people moving it into your neighbourhood.
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
President Trump was asked this question in today’s briefinghttps://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-august-12
Speaker 8: (54:15)
Thank you, Mr. President. You have warned several times that Joe Biden is elected president, that there will be an invasion in suburban neighborhoods. It’s a sentiment that you expressed in a Tweet again this morning. What exactly do you mean by invasion?President Donald Trump: (54:31)
What I mean is people are going to become … they’re going to be opening up areas of your neighborhood, which they’re doing and now they’re going to do … they wanted to expand it and they will expand it, if for any reason they’re going to … In my opinion, destroy suburbia. And just so you understand, 30% plus of the people living in suburbia are minorities, African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American, they’re minorities, 30%. The number’s even higher it’s, they say 35, but I like to cut it a little bit lower. You know why? That way I can never get myself in too much trouble with the fake news, but 30% plus are minorities living in suburbia. And when they go in and they want to change zoning, so that you have lots of problems where they want to build low-income housing. You want something where people can aspire to be there, not something where it gets hurt badly. And that’s what happens.President Donald Trump: (55:32)
So, with suburban women, suburban men, I think they feel very strongly about what I’m doing. I mean, it’s a very fair question, it’s a very important question, but they fought all their lives to be there. And then all of a sudden, they have something happened that changes their life and changes what they fought for for so many years. John please?—-
Is there more than one way to interpret this?
I’d suggest there’d be thousands of ways to interpret it. I, for one, have no idea what it means, it appears to be some form of incoherent ramble.
I interpret it as expressing strongly held beliefs about the undesirability of African-American, Asian-American, or Hispanic-American people moving it into your neighbourhood.
Well he hasn’t started dropping bombs on them yet. Others of his ilk have done in the past.
roughbarked said:
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:I’d suggest there’d be thousands of ways to interpret it. I, for one, have no idea what it means, it appears to be some form of incoherent ramble.
I interpret it as expressing strongly held beliefs about the undesirability of African-American, Asian-American, or Hispanic-American people moving it into your neighbourhood.
Well he hasn’t started dropping bombs on them yet. Others of his ilk have done in the past.
I think you would need to ask the people in the minorities he mentions whether they consider that a ‘bomb’ or not.
Rule 303 said:
roughbarked said:
Rule 303 said:I interpret it as expressing strongly held beliefs about the undesirability of African-American, Asian-American, or Hispanic-American people moving it into your neighbourhood.
Well he hasn’t started dropping bombs on them yet. Others of his ilk have done in the past.
I think you would need to ask the people in the minorities he mentions whether they consider that a ‘bomb’ or not.
Well yeah. I did mean the ones that actually flatten the houses and kill the occupants.
roughbarked said:
Rule 303 said:
roughbarked said:Well he hasn’t started dropping bombs on them yet. Others of his ilk have done in the past.
I think you would need to ask the people in the minorities he mentions whether they consider that a ‘bomb’ or not.
Well yeah. I did mean the ones that actually flatten the houses and kill the occupants.
Yeah, I know what you mean: Selling off public housing and denying health care.
Rule 303 said:
roughbarked said:
Rule 303 said:I think you would need to ask the people in the minorities he mentions whether they consider that a ‘bomb’ or not.
Well yeah. I did mean the ones that actually flatten the houses and kill the occupants.
Yeah, I know what you mean: Selling off public housing and denying health care.
That’s just a little slower than 500lbs of HE.
Rule 303 said:
roughbarked said:
Rule 303 said:I interpret it as expressing strongly held beliefs about the undesirability of African-American, Asian-American, or Hispanic-American people moving it into your neighbourhood.
Well he hasn’t started dropping bombs on them yet. Others of his ilk have done in the past.
I think you would need to ask the people in the minorities he mentions whether they consider that a ‘bomb’ or not.
Like this one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
dv said:
Rule 303 said:
roughbarked said:Well he hasn’t started dropping bombs on them yet. Others of his ilk have done in the past.
I think you would need to ask the people in the minorities he mentions whether they consider that a ‘bomb’ or not.
Like this one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
Yes that was the one.
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
President Trump was asked this question in today’s briefinghttps://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-august-12
Speaker 8: (54:15)
Thank you, Mr. President. You have warned several times that Joe Biden is elected president, that there will be an invasion in suburban neighborhoods. It’s a sentiment that you expressed in a Tweet again this morning. What exactly do you mean by invasion?President Donald Trump: (54:31)
What I mean is people are going to become … they’re going to be opening up areas of your neighborhood, which they’re doing and now they’re going to do … they wanted to expand it and they will expand it, if for any reason they’re going to … In my opinion, destroy suburbia. And just so you understand, 30% plus of the people living in suburbia are minorities, African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American, they’re minorities, 30%. The number’s even higher it’s, they say 35, but I like to cut it a little bit lower. You know why? That way I can never get myself in too much trouble with the fake news, but 30% plus are minorities living in suburbia. And when they go in and they want to change zoning, so that you have lots of problems where they want to build low-income housing. You want something where people can aspire to be there, not something where it gets hurt badly. And that’s what happens.President Donald Trump: (55:32)
So, with suburban women, suburban men, I think they feel very strongly about what I’m doing. I mean, it’s a very fair question, it’s a very important question, but they fought all their lives to be there. And then all of a sudden, they have something happened that changes their life and changes what they fought for for so many years. John please?—-
Is there more than one way to interpret this?
I’d suggest there’d be thousands of ways to interpret it. I, for one, have no idea what it means, it appears to be some form of incoherent ramble.
I interpret it as expressing strongly held beliefs about the undesirability of African-American, Asian-American, or Hispanic-American people moving it into your neighbourhood.
I can’t see there is any other reasonable interpretation, never mind thousands of them.
This TDSDS* seems to be highly contagious. First sibeen picks it up from PWM, and now roughbarked looks like he has the symptoms.
A federal judge in Pennsylvania told the Trump campaign and the Republican Party that they must produce evidence they have of vote-by-mail fraud in the state by Friday.
The judge’s order, in a high-profile case about vote-by-mail in the battleground state, essentially forces the Trump campaign to try to back up President Donald Trump’s false claims about massive voter fraud in postal voting.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/trump-campaign-voter-fraud-lawsuit-pennsylvania/index.html
dv said:
Surely only a matter of time until someone goes postal on the Tangerine Tyrant
Shock
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/08/13/us/biden-vs-trump
Trump Encourages Racist Conspiracy Theory on Kamala Harris’s Eligibility to Be Vice President
President Trump falsely suggested that Kamala Harris, who was born in California, does not meet citizenship requirements. Earlier, he indicated he was opposed to giving the post office more money, which he acknowledged it needed for mail-in voting, but then later walked back that statement.
“I just heard that. I heard it today, that she doesn’t meet the requirements,” he said. “And by the way, the lawyer that wrote that piece is a very highly qualified, talented lawyer. I have no idea if that’s right.”
In 2011, Mr. Trump began appearing on television to question whether Mr. Obama was born in the United States — spreading a lie that he has never fully apologized for.
“Maybe I’m going to do the tax returns when Obama does his birth certificate,” he said in an interview with ABC in April 2011. “I’d love to give my tax returns. I may tie my tax returns into Obama’s birth certificate.”
Mr. Obama eventually released his birth certificate. Mr. Trump never released his tax returns.
‘Do you regret all your lying?’ White House reporter’s question startles Trump
S.V. Dáte takes the president to task for repeated untruths but is quickly cut off
S.V. Dáte had waited five long years to ask Donald Trump one question: “Mr President, after three and a half years , do you regret at all, all the lying you’ve done to the American people?”
Confronted with Dáte’s question at Thursday’s White House briefing, Trump responded with a question of his own. “All the what?,” he said.
Dáte: “All the lying, all the dishonesties.”
Trump: “That who has done?”
“You have done,” said Dáte, who is the Huffington Post’s White House correspondent. “Tens of thousan–”, he began to say, before Trump cut him off and called on another journalist, who asked a question about payroll tax.
In July, the Washington Post reported that Trump had told more than 20,000 “false or misleading claims” over the course of his presidency.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/14/do-you-regret-all-your-lying-white-house-reporters-question-startles-trump
dv said:
‘Do you regret all your lying?’ White House reporter’s question startles TrumpS.V. Dáte takes the president to task for repeated untruths but is quickly cut off
S.V. Dáte had waited five long years to ask Donald Trump one question: “Mr President, after three and a half years , do you regret at all, all the lying you’ve done to the American people?”
Confronted with Dáte’s question at Thursday’s White House briefing, Trump responded with a question of his own. “All the what?,” he said.
Dáte: “All the lying, all the dishonesties.”
Trump: “That who has done?”
“You have done,” said Dáte, who is the Huffington Post’s White House correspondent. “Tens of thousan–”, he began to say, before Trump cut him off and called on another journalist, who asked a question about payroll tax.
In July, the Washington Post reported that Trump had told more than 20,000 “false or misleading claims” over the course of his presidency.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/14/do-you-regret-all-your-lying-white-house-reporters-question-startles-trump
I guess that’s a “no” then.
Still doing a great job sir
A Trump Speech Written By Artificial Intelligence | The New Yorker
Better with just Audio.
>>Dáte had waited five long years to ask Donald Trump one question: “Mr President…………………..
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Tau.Neutrino said:
A Trump Speech Written By Artificial Intelligence | The New YorkerBetter with just Audio.
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From the sublime to the ridiculous:
https://imgur.com/gallery/e7GJV6Q
captain_spalding said:
From the sublime to the ridiculous:https://imgur.com/gallery/e7GJV6Q
He is fucking annoying to listen to, old mate Trump.
The only thing more excruciating than listening to him is a comedian trying to imitate him.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
From the sublime to the ridiculous:https://imgur.com/gallery/e7GJV6Q
He is fucking annoying to listen to, old mate Trump.
The only thing more excruciating than listening to him is a comedian trying to imitate him.
Yep.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
From the sublime to the ridiculous:https://imgur.com/gallery/e7GJV6Q
He is fucking annoying to listen to, old mate Trump.
The only thing more excruciating than listening to him is a comedian trying to imitate him.
Imagine how frustrating it is for the comedians.
How can you possibly mock someone who pulls the most ridiculous nonsense out of his arse and presents it as Presidential behaviour? You’ll always be lagging behind the real thing when it comes to satirising the real thing.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
From the sublime to the ridiculous:https://imgur.com/gallery/e7GJV6Q
He is fucking annoying to listen to, old mate Trump.
The only thing more excruciating than listening to him is a comedian trying to imitate him.
Imagine how frustrating it is for the comedians.
How can you possibly mock someone who pulls the most ridiculous nonsense out of his arse and presents it as Presidential behaviour? You’ll always be lagging behind the real thing when it comes to satirising the real thing.
There is the full gamut. ScoMO is laughable. But with Trump humour around ScoMO humour is flat. And so forth.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:He is fucking annoying to listen to, old mate Trump.
The only thing more excruciating than listening to him is a comedian trying to imitate him.
Imagine how frustrating it is for the comedians.
How can you possibly mock someone who pulls the most ridiculous nonsense out of his arse and presents it as Presidential behaviour? You’ll always be lagging behind the real thing when it comes to satirising the real thing.
There is the full gamut. ScoMO is laughable. But with Trump humour around ScoMO humour is flat. And so forth.
Boris Johnson…

sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:Imagine how frustrating it is for the comedians.
How can you possibly mock someone who pulls the most ridiculous nonsense out of his arse and presents it as Presidential behaviour? You’ll always be lagging behind the real thing when it comes to satirising the real thing.
There is the full gamut. ScoMO is laughable. But with Trump humour around ScoMO humour is flat. And so forth.
Boris Johnson…
He’s not great either, but nowhere near Trump bad. His talking up Tim Tam biscuits trying to talk up a possible trade deal with Australia was completely cringeworthy however, This was a few weeks back now.
fk we love a good race to the bottom
News
*Pascrell Makes Criminal Referral of Trump, DeJoy for Election Subversion
Letter to New Jersey AG seeks grand jury for postal service sabotage in violation of state election laws*
https://pascrell.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=4428
“I call upon you to open a wide-ranging investigation of Trump’s actions to interfere in our elections and to empanel a grand jury for the purpose of considering criminal indictments for Donald Trump, U.S. Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, members of the United States Postal Service (USPS) Board of Governors, and any other officials in the Trump government that are participating in or have participated in the subversion of New Jersey state elections,” Rep. Pascrell writes New Jersey’s chief law enforcement office
——
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/postal-service-inspector-general-reviewing-dejoy/index.html
Exclusive: Postal service inspector general reviewing DeJoy’s policy changes and potential ethics conflicts*
Washington(CNN)The internal watchdog at the United States Postal Service is reviewing controversial policy changes recently imposed under Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, and is also examining DeJoy’s compliance with federal ethics rules, according to a spokeswoman for the USPS inspector general and an aide to Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who requested the review.
Lawmakers from both parties and postal union leaders have sounded alarms over disruptive changes instituted by DeJoy this summer, including eliminating overtime and slowing some mail delivery. Democrats claim he is intentionally undermining postal service operations to sabotage mail-in voting in the November election — a charge he denies.
Agapi Doulaveris, a spokeswoman for the USPS watchdog, told CNN in an email, “We have initiated a body of work to address the concerns raised, but cannot comment on the details.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-15/watchdog-to-probe-postal-service-as-election-worries-rise/12561874

BUMP
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-16/donald-trump-brother-robert-trump-dies/12563488
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/08/16/rel8a.-.2020.pdf
CNN poll.
Biden 50%
Trump 46%
(CNN)New York federal prosecutors on Thursday charged President Donald Trump’s former adviser Steve Bannon and three others with defrauding donors of hundreds of thousands of dollars as part of a fundraising campaign purportedly aimed at supporting Trump’s border wall.
Bannon, 66, was arrested on a boat Thursday off the Eastern coast of Connecticut by federal agents along with officials from the United States Postal Inspection Service, according to the agency and a law enforcement official. He will make his initial court appearance in New York later Thursday, according to the US attorney’s office. Bill Burck, an attorney for Bannon, declined to comment.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/bannon-build-the-wall-indictment/index.html
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/blind-spots-trump-missed-the-chance-to-make-the-economy-truly-great-20200821-p55nuu.html
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-21/former-trump-adviser-steve-bannon-arrested-fraud-conspiracy/12580952
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-21/former-trump-adviser-steve-bannon-arrested-fraud-conspiracy/12580952
Moving up his ladder. Trump’s that is.
https://www.salon.com/2020/08/21/usps-agents-arrest-former-trump-strategist-steve-bannon-amid-administrations-shakedown-of-agency/
USPS agents arrest former Trump strategist Steve Bannon amid administration’s shakedown of agencyBannon helps elect Trump. Trump fires Bannon. Trump opposes funds for USPS ahead of election. USPS arrests Bannon.
dv said:
https://www.salon.com/2020/08/21/usps-agents-arrest-former-trump-strategist-steve-bannon-amid-administrations-shakedown-of-agency/USPS agents arrest former Trump strategist Steve Bannon amid administration’s shakedown of agencyBannon helps elect Trump. Trump fires Bannon. Trump opposes funds for USPS ahead of election. USPS arrests Bannon.
Isn’t this Bannon guy also behind the Leave campaign in 2016 Brexit referendum?
party_pants said:
dv said:
https://www.salon.com/2020/08/21/usps-agents-arrest-former-trump-strategist-steve-bannon-amid-administrations-shakedown-of-agency/USPS agents arrest former Trump strategist Steve Bannon amid administration’s shakedown of agencyBannon helps elect Trump. Trump fires Bannon. Trump opposes funds for USPS ahead of election. USPS arrests Bannon.
Isn’t this Bannon guy also behind the Leave campaign in 2016 Brexit referendum?
He played a behind the scenes role, yes
It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
Well her husband has changed everything else?
What’s a piqued spouse left to do after wearing every dress in the wardrobe?
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
She has to live there for eight years. People will often renovate in that time.
sibeen said:
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
She has to live there for eight years. People will often renovate in that time.
She only moved there in 2018 so she has to live there about two and a half years.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
She has to live there for eight years. People will often renovate in that time.
She only moved there in 2018 so she has to live there about two and a half years.
C’mon, I expected more of a bite than that :)
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
Something something WAP?
I’m ordering one so I may as well order some for the forum while I am at it.. who’s in? you can direct deposit the money to me.

Arts said:
I’m ordering one so I may as well order some for the forum while I am at it.. who’s in? you can direct deposit the money to me.
Can I get two, or is it limited to one per customer?
Arts said:
I’m ordering one so I may as well order some for the forum while I am at it.. who’s in? you can direct deposit the money to me.
I already have one.
sibeen said:
Arts said:
I’m ordering one so I may as well order some for the forum while I am at it.. who’s in? you can direct deposit the money to me.
Can I get two, or is it limited to one per customer?
sibeen said:
Arts said:
I’m ordering one so I may as well order some for the forum while I am at it.. who’s in? you can direct deposit the money to me.
Can I get two, or is it limited to one per customer?
it’s such a bargain, eh?
sibeen said:
Arts said:
I’m ordering one so I may as well order some for the forum while I am at it.. who’s in? you can direct deposit the money to me.
Can I get two, or is it limited to one per customer?
The connection to Trump here is not obvious to me.
dv said:
sibeen said:
Arts said:
I’m ordering one so I may as well order some for the forum while I am at it.. who’s in? you can direct deposit the money to me.
Can I get two, or is it limited to one per customer?
The connection to Trump here is not obvious to me.
Misthreaded most likely.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
sibeen said:Can I get two, or is it limited to one per customer?
The connection to Trump here is not obvious to me.
Misthreaded most likely.
dv said:
sibeen said:
Arts said:
I’m ordering one so I may as well order some for the forum while I am at it.. who’s in? you can direct deposit the money to me.
Can I get two, or is it limited to one per customer?
The connection to Trump here is not obvious to me.
ridiculous wealth allowing for the purchase of the preposterous by the unhinged?
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:The connection to Trump here is not obvious to me.
Misthreaded most likely.
That would account for all the holes.
Polite golf clap
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
I would have expected the rose garden to be controlled by someone other than the current incumbent. Wouldn’t it have been some sort of historical place belonging to the nation?
Arts said:
I’m ordering one so I may as well order some for the forum while I am at it.. who’s in? you can direct deposit the money to me.
What were you looking for?
Rule 303 said:
Arts said:
I’m ordering one so I may as well order some for the forum while I am at it.. who’s in? you can direct deposit the money to me.
What were you looking for?
a top with holes in it under $3000
buffy said:
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
I would have expected the rose garden to be controlled by someone other than the current incumbent. Wouldn’t it have been some sort of historical place belonging to the nation?
I believe there’s some gold buried in the grounds of the White House…
buffy said:
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
I would have expected the rose garden to be controlled by someone other than the current incumbent. Wouldn’t it have been some sort of historical place belonging to the nation?
I don’t want to be contrarian just for being contrarian’s sake; but surely if Jackie K was allowed to remodel then subsequent first ladies have the same right?
sibeen said:
buffy said:
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
I would have expected the rose garden to be controlled by someone other than the current incumbent. Wouldn’t it have been some sort of historical place belonging to the nation?
I don’t want to be contrarian just for being contrarian’s sake; but surely if Jackie K was allowed to remodel then subsequent first ladies have the same right?
Regardless of who did what, and when, my opinion is that it is just a bunch of plants. Move along, nothing to see here…
buffy said:
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
I would have expected the rose garden to be controlled by someone other than the current incumbent. Wouldn’t it have been some sort of historical place belonging to the nation?
It’s probably just a garden tended by the First Lady, with most of the previous FLs having respect for tradition.
…or it could just be a beat-up.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
I would have expected the rose garden to be controlled by someone other than the current incumbent. Wouldn’t it have been some sort of historical place belonging to the nation?
I don’t want to be contrarian just for being contrarian’s sake; but surely if Jackie K was allowed to remodel then subsequent first ladies have the same right?
sibeen said:
buffy said:
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
I would have expected the rose garden to be controlled by someone other than the current incumbent. Wouldn’t it have been some sort of historical place belonging to the nation?
I don’t want to be contrarian just for being contrarian’s sake; but surely if Jackie K was allowed to remodel then subsequent first ladies have the same right?
Yet she managed to do it without chainsawing the bushes planted a hundred years ago, funny.
furious said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:I would have expected the rose garden to be controlled by someone other than the current incumbent. Wouldn’t it have been some sort of historical place belonging to the nation?
I don’t want to be contrarian just for being contrarian’s sake; but surely if Jackie K was allowed to remodel then subsequent first ladies have the same right?
Regardless of who did what, and when, my opinion is that it is just a bunch of plants. Move along, nothing to see here…
So you agree with me that it’s not very important in the scheme of things
sibeen said:
buffy said:
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
I would have expected the rose garden to be controlled by someone other than the current incumbent. Wouldn’t it have been some sort of historical place belonging to the nation?
I don’t want to be contrarian just for being contrarian’s sake; but surely if Jackie K was allowed to remodel then subsequent first ladies have the same right?
Truth is that you do want to be contrarian.
dv said:
furious said:
sibeen said:I don’t want to be contrarian just for being contrarian’s sake; but surely if Jackie K was allowed to remodel then subsequent first ladies have the same right?
Regardless of who did what, and when, my opinion is that it is just a bunch of plants. Move along, nothing to see here…
So you agree with me that it’s not very important in the scheme of things
I always1 agree with you…
1May not be true…
buffy said:
dv said:
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It’s not very important, in the scheme of things, but Melania has torn up the historic White House Rose Garden for some reason.
I would have expected the rose garden to be controlled by someone other than the current incumbent. Wouldn’t it have been some sort of historical place belonging to the nation?
According to Wiki,
The property is a National Heritage Site owned by the National Park Service and is part of the President’s Park.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House
The rose garden carries meaning. I might, as a bit of xanthaphobe, rip out all the yellow roses. The ones that were planted to convey friendship.
dv said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:I would have expected the rose garden to be controlled by someone other than the current incumbent. Wouldn’t it have been some sort of historical place belonging to the nation?
I don’t want to be contrarian just for being contrarian’s sake; but surely if Jackie K was allowed to remodel then subsequent first ladies have the same right?
Yet she managed to do it without chainsawing the bushes planted a hundred years ago, funny.
It appears that the trees were re-located.
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/08/22/us/politics/ap-us-white-house-rose-garden-renovation.html
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:I would have expected the rose garden to be controlled by someone other than the current incumbent. Wouldn’t it have been some sort of historical place belonging to the nation?
I don’t want to be contrarian just for being contrarian’s sake; but surely if Jackie K was allowed to remodel then subsequent first ladies have the same right?
Truth is that you do want to be contrarian.
Nup, I just don’t believe everything that is said about the Trumps. I believe the actual truth is all you need to bring him down and embellishing the truth is counter productive. An argument that I’ve stuck with for quite a while.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:I don’t want to be contrarian just for being contrarian’s sake; but surely if Jackie K was allowed to remodel then subsequent first ladies have the same right?
Truth is that you do want to be contrarian.
Nup, I just don’t believe everything that is said about the Trumps. I believe the actual truth is all you need to bring him down and embellishing the truth is counter productive. An argument that I’ve stuck with for quite a while.
Tamb said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Truth is that you do want to be contrarian.
Nup, I just don’t believe everything that is said about the Trumps. I believe the actual truth is all you need to bring him down and embellishing the truth is counter productive. An argument that I’ve stuck with for quite a while.
In the real world, yes. In US politics maybe not. They are not subtle people.
Nup, I also don’t believe the trope that people from the USA are generally thick or unsubtle. Sure, some certainly are but that’s the case for every country.
mr ohio says…

sarahs mum said:
mr ohio says…
Mr Ohio is a prize dumbo.
furious said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:I would have expected the rose garden to be controlled by someone other than the current incumbent. Wouldn’t it have been some sort of historical place belonging to the nation?
I don’t want to be contrarian just for being contrarian’s sake; but surely if Jackie K was allowed to remodel then subsequent first ladies have the same right?
Regardless of who did what, and when, my opinion is that it is just a bunch of plants. Move along, nothing to see here…
So you agree with me that it’s not very important in the scheme of things
(CNN)Twitter on Sunday slapped a label on a tweet from President Donald Trump for “making misleading health claims that could potentially dissuade people from participation in voting.”
Trump claimed in posts on Twitter and Facebook early Sunday morning that mail drop boxes for voting “are not Covid sanitized,” as well as a “voter security disaster.”
Hours after Trump sent the tweet, Twitter took action, saying, “We placed a public interest notice on this Tweet for violating our Civic Integrity Policy for making misleading health claims that could potentially dissuade people from participation in voting.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/23/politics/trump-twitter-health-voting-claims-flagged/index.html
dv said:
(CNN)Twitter on Sunday slapped a label on a tweet from President Donald Trump for “making misleading health claims that could potentially dissuade people from participation in voting.”Trump claimed in posts on Twitter and Facebook early Sunday morning that mail drop boxes for voting “are not Covid sanitized,” as well as a “voter security disaster.”
Hours after Trump sent the tweet, Twitter took action, saying, “We placed a public interest notice on this Tweet for violating our Civic Integrity Policy for making misleading health claims that could potentially dissuade people from participation in voting.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/23/politics/trump-twitter-health-voting-claims-flagged/index.html
What about Facepalm?
dv said:
furious said:
sibeen said:I don’t want to be contrarian just for being contrarian’s sake; but surely if Jackie K was allowed to remodel then subsequent first ladies have the same right?
Regardless of who did what, and when, my opinion is that it is just a bunch of plants. Move along, nothing to see here…
So you agree with me that it’s not very important in the scheme of things
?
Asked and answered…
Climate change is largely to blame for these fires, which are growing in number and intensity every year. It’s also to blame for the increasing number and virulence of hurricanes hitting the Gulf and south-east, flash floods along the eastern seaboard, and fierce winds across middle America.
Two tropical storms are developing in the Gulf of Mexico. The Gulf has never before had two hurricanes at the same time. Both are moving toward Louisiana.
In early August, Illinois and Iowa were hit with winds of up to 110mph. Homes were leveled. At least 10 million acres of crops were destroyed. Many are still without power.
Trump isn’t singularly responsible for climate change, of course. But he’s done nothing to stop it. In fact, he’s done everything he can to accelerate it.
This coming week, he’ll be nominated for a second term. I doubt he or anyone else at the Republican convention will mention his abandonment of the Paris agreement, his rollback of environmental regulations or his boundless generosity to the fossil fuel industry.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/23/donald-trump-wildfires-coronavirus-flood-hurricanes
Ian said:
Climate change is largely to blame for these fires, which are growing in number and intensity every year. It’s also to blame for the increasing number and virulence of hurricanes hitting the Gulf and south-east, flash floods along the eastern seaboard, and fierce winds across middle America.Two tropical storms are developing in the Gulf of Mexico. The Gulf has never before had two hurricanes at the same time. Both are moving toward Louisiana.
In early August, Illinois and Iowa were hit with winds of up to 110mph. Homes were leveled. At least 10 million acres of crops were destroyed. Many are still without power.
Trump isn’t singularly responsible for climate change, of course. But he’s done nothing to stop it. In fact, he’s done everything he can to accelerate it.
This coming week, he’ll be nominated for a second term. I doubt he or anyone else at the Republican convention will mention his abandonment of the Paris agreement, his rollback of environmental regulations or his boundless generosity to the fossil fuel industry.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/23/donald-trump-wildfires-coronavirus-flood-hurricanes
No fo course not. They have long ago decided that climate change was a matter of politics not science.
party_pants said:
Ian said:
Climate change is largely to blame for these fires, which are growing in number and intensity every year. It’s also to blame for the increasing number and virulence of hurricanes hitting the Gulf and south-east, flash floods along the eastern seaboard, and fierce winds across middle America.Two tropical storms are developing in the Gulf of Mexico. The Gulf has never before had two hurricanes at the same time. Both are moving toward Louisiana.
In early August, Illinois and Iowa were hit with winds of up to 110mph. Homes were leveled. At least 10 million acres of crops were destroyed. Many are still without power.
Trump isn’t singularly responsible for climate change, of course. But he’s done nothing to stop it. In fact, he’s done everything he can to accelerate it.
This coming week, he’ll be nominated for a second term. I doubt he or anyone else at the Republican convention will mention his abandonment of the Paris agreement, his rollback of environmental regulations or his boundless generosity to the fossil fuel industry.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/23/donald-trump-wildfires-coronavirus-flood-hurricanes
No fo course not. They have long ago decided that climate change was a matter of politics not science.
It’s not like they all take a piece of coal to work.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/donald-trump-adviser-kellyanne-conway-resigns/12589290
Probably make her dinner conversations less stressful.
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/donald-trump-adviser-kellyanne-conway-resigns/12589290Probably make her dinner conversations less stressful.
Ms Conway said she wanted to spend more time with her family, including her four children.
She added that she needed to help her children’s remote learning during the coronavirus pandemic as a main reason for stepping away from her position.
—-
it’s not funny Roslyn.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/donald-trump-adviser-kellyanne-conway-resigns/12589290Probably make her dinner conversations less stressful.
Ms Conway said she wanted to spend more time with her family, including her four children.
She added that she needed to help her children’s remote learning during the coronavirus pandemic as a main reason for stepping away from her position.
—-it’s not funny Roslyn.
Turns out that one of her children has been very vocal against her and her husband and wanted out of the family via emancipation…
furious said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/donald-trump-adviser-kellyanne-conway-resigns/12589290Probably make her dinner conversations less stressful.
Ms Conway said she wanted to spend more time with her family, including her four children.
She added that she needed to help her children’s remote learning during the coronavirus pandemic as a main reason for stepping away from her position.
—-it’s not funny Roslyn.
Turns out that one of her children has been very vocal against her and her husband and wanted out of the family via emancipation…
I suspect you’re having a mash-up moment and also thinking about the press secretary Kayleigh McEnany.
sibeen said:
furious said:
sarahs mum said:Ms Conway said she wanted to spend more time with her family, including her four children.
She added that she needed to help her children’s remote learning during the coronavirus pandemic as a main reason for stepping away from her position.
—-it’s not funny Roslyn.
Turns out that one of her children has been very vocal against her and her husband and wanted out of the family via emancipation…
I suspect you’re having a mash-up moment and also thinking about the press secretary Kayleigh McEnany.
Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway’s daughter ‘pushing for emancipation’
“Kellyanne Conway’s 15-year-old daughter has announced plans to emancipate herself from her parents after weeks of bitter, public attacks against them.”
furious said:
sibeen said:
furious said:Turns out that one of her children has been very vocal against her and her husband and wanted out of the family via emancipation…
I suspect you’re having a mash-up moment and also thinking about the press secretary Kayleigh McEnany.
Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway’s daughter ‘pushing for emancipation’
“Kellyanne Conway’s 15-year-old daughter has announced plans to emancipate herself from her parents after weeks of bitter, public attacks against them.”
Ahh, I am incorrect.
furious said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/donald-trump-adviser-kellyanne-conway-resigns/12589290Probably make her dinner conversations less stressful.
Ms Conway said she wanted to spend more time with her family, including her four children.
She added that she needed to help her children’s remote learning during the coronavirus pandemic as a main reason for stepping away from her position.
—-it’s not funny Roslyn.
Turns out that one of her children has been very vocal against her and her husband and wanted out of the family via emancipation…
so the kid is neutral? The dichotomy is you either support trump or you don’t. these two did both. so being vocal against both of them means what?
Arts said:
furious said:
sarahs mum said:Ms Conway said she wanted to spend more time with her family, including her four children.
She added that she needed to help her children’s remote learning during the coronavirus pandemic as a main reason for stepping away from her position.
—-it’s not funny Roslyn.
Turns out that one of her children has been very vocal against her and her husband and wanted out of the family via emancipation…
so the kid is neutral? The dichotomy is you either support trump or you don’t. these two did both. so being vocal against both of them means what?
Her dad doesn’t like Trump but he is still on that side of the aisle…
Must be a bit of an awkward household to live in.
Arts said:
furious said:
sarahs mum said:Ms Conway said she wanted to spend more time with her family, including her four children.
She added that she needed to help her children’s remote learning during the coronavirus pandemic as a main reason for stepping away from her position.
—-it’s not funny Roslyn.
Turns out that one of her children has been very vocal against her and her husband and wanted out of the family via emancipation…
so the kid is neutral? The dichotomy is you either support trump or you don’t. these two did both. so being vocal against both of them means what?
While one parent is pro and one anti Trump, they are both staunch Republicans.
Presumably the daughter has no time for Republicans of any hue.
Bubblecar said:
Arts said:
furious said:Turns out that one of her children has been very vocal against her and her husband and wanted out of the family via emancipation…
so the kid is neutral? The dichotomy is you either support trump or you don’t. these two did both. so being vocal against both of them means what?
While one parent is pro and one anti Trump, they are both staunch Republicans.
Presumably the daughter has no time for Republicans of any hue.
Maybe she’s just normal.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/how-to-watch-the-republican-national-convention/12588106
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/how-to-watch-the-republican-national-convention/12588106
Oooo, oooo, ooo, I know the answer to this one.
Heavily drunk.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/how-to-watch-the-republican-national-convention/12588106
Oooo, oooo, ooo, I know the answer to this one.
Heavily drunk.
LOL
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/how-to-watch-the-republican-national-convention/12588106
pass
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/how-to-watch-the-republican-national-convention/12588106
pass
ditto
and in case you weren’t watching
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/how-to-watch-the-republican-national-convention/12588106
pass
I’d rather have injections in my eyes.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/how-to-watch-the-republican-national-convention/12588106
pass
I’d rather have injections in my eyes.
You can do both, but I wouldn’t recommend it.
Looking forward to the debates when Trump will be asked a question and he’ll ramble on for 20 minutes about how he aced the cognitive test.
Divine Angel said:
Looking forward to the debates when Trump will be asked a question and he’ll ramble on for 20 minutes about how he aced the cognitive test.
Purple. Monkey. Dishwasher.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/how-to-watch-the-republican-national-convention/12588106
pass
I’d rather have injections in my eyes.
No you wouldn’t.
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/how-to-watch-the-republican-national-convention/12588106
Oooo, oooo, ooo, I know the answer to this one.
Heavily drunk.
LOL
roger
or even stoned
Early promotional materials for Aberdeenshire carried what purported to be the Trump clan’s baronial crest—three lions under an armored fist brandishing a spear and surrounded by a flourish of red and white feathers.
It was, no surprise, a fake. Trump had cribbed the coat of arms from Joseph Edward Davies, whose wife had built Mar-a-Lago and who had legitimately been granted the crest in the 1930s. He had made only one minor change, erasing the Davies family motto of “integritas” (integrity) and replacing it with “Trump.” He had used the doctored crest for years to peddle all sorts of products—from ties to beach towels—and it was plastered across his US properties.
But that didn’t fly in Scotland.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/the-biggest-trump-financial-mystery-where-he-came-up-with-the-cash-for-his-scottish-resorts/
sarahs mum said:
Early promotional materials for Aberdeenshire carried what purported to be the Trump clan’s baronial crest—three lions under an armored fist brandishing a spear and surrounded by a flourish of red and white feathers.It was, no surprise, a fake. Trump had cribbed the coat of arms from Joseph Edward Davies, whose wife had built Mar-a-Lago and who had legitimately been granted the crest in the 1930s. He had made only one minor change, erasing the Davies family motto of “integritas” (integrity) and replacing it with “Trump.” He had used the doctored crest for years to peddle all sorts of products—from ties to beach towels—and it was plastered across his US properties.
But that didn’t fly in Scotland.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/the-biggest-trump-financial-mystery-where-he-came-up-with-the-cash-for-his-scottish-resorts/
He stitches up and fleeces
He wants to manicure the World
And sell it off in pieces.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Early promotional materials for Aberdeenshire carried what purported to be the Trump clan’s baronial crest—three lions under an armored fist brandishing a spear and surrounded by a flourish of red and white feathers.It was, no surprise, a fake. Trump had cribbed the coat of arms from Joseph Edward Davies, whose wife had built Mar-a-Lago and who had legitimately been granted the crest in the 1930s. He had made only one minor change, erasing the Davies family motto of “integritas” (integrity) and replacing it with “Trump.” He had used the doctored crest for years to peddle all sorts of products—from ties to beach towels—and it was plastered across his US properties.
But that didn’t fly in Scotland.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/the-biggest-trump-financial-mystery-where-he-came-up-with-the-cash-for-his-scottish-resorts/
He stitches up and fleeces
He wants to manicure the World
And sell it off in pieces.
he works so hard
As busy as a bee is
sarahs mum said:
He had made only one minor change, erasing the Davies family motto of “integritas” (integrity) and replacing it with “Trump.” He had used the doctored crest for years to peddle all sorts of products—from ties to beach towels—and it was plastered across his US properties.
That story sounds quite believable. The symbology is so apt.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Early promotional materials for Aberdeenshire carried what purported to be the Trump clan’s baronial crest—three lions under an armored fist brandishing a spear and surrounded by a flourish of red and white feathers.It was, no surprise, a fake. Trump had cribbed the coat of arms from Joseph Edward Davies, whose wife had built Mar-a-Lago and who had legitimately been granted the crest in the 1930s. He had made only one minor change, erasing the Davies family motto of “integritas” (integrity) and replacing it with “Trump.” He had used the doctored crest for years to peddle all sorts of products—from ties to beach towels—and it was plastered across his US properties.
But that didn’t fly in Scotland.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/the-biggest-trump-financial-mystery-where-he-came-up-with-the-cash-for-his-scottish-resorts/
He stitches up and fleeces
He wants to manicure the World
And sell it off in pieces.
Actually first time I’ve heard that. Love it. The lyrics are so apt.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Early promotional materials for Aberdeenshire carried what purported to be the Trump clan’s baronial crest—three lions under an armored fist brandishing a spear and surrounded by a flourish of red and white feathers.It was, no surprise, a fake. Trump had cribbed the coat of arms from Joseph Edward Davies, whose wife had built Mar-a-Lago and who had legitimately been granted the crest in the 1930s. He had made only one minor change, erasing the Davies family motto of “integritas” (integrity) and replacing it with “Trump.” He had used the doctored crest for years to peddle all sorts of products—from ties to beach towels—and it was plastered across his US properties.
But that didn’t fly in Scotland.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/the-biggest-trump-financial-mystery-where-he-came-up-with-the-cash-for-his-scottish-resorts/
He stitches up and fleeces
He wants to manicure the World
And sell it off in pieces.Actually first time I’ve heard that. Love it. The lyrics are so apt.
I think I’ve mentioned it here before, but for anyone else who doesn’t read my every word, and click my every link, here is:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:He stitches up and fleeces
He wants to manicure the World
And sell it off in pieces.Actually first time I’ve heard that. Love it. The lyrics are so apt.
I think I’ve mentioned it here before, but for anyone else who doesn’t read my every word, and click my every link, here is:
I liked Laing well enough.
Honest US Postal Service Ad | Mail-in Voting
thejuicemedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klUweWE-u6A
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Early promotional materials for Aberdeenshire carried what purported to be the Trump clan’s baronial crest—three lions under an armored fist brandishing a spear and surrounded by a flourish of red and white feathers.It was, no surprise, a fake. Trump had cribbed the coat of arms from Joseph Edward Davies, whose wife had built Mar-a-Lago and who had legitimately been granted the crest in the 1930s. He had made only one minor change, erasing the Davies family motto of “integritas” (integrity) and replacing it with “Trump.” He had used the doctored crest for years to peddle all sorts of products—from ties to beach towels—and it was plastered across his US properties.
But that didn’t fly in Scotland.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/the-biggest-trump-financial-mystery-where-he-came-up-with-the-cash-for-his-scottish-resorts/
He stitches up and fleeces
He wants to manicure the World
And sell it off in pieces.Actually first time I’ve heard that. Love it. The lyrics are so apt.
Apt indeed.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:He stitches up and fleeces
He wants to manicure the World
And sell it off in pieces.Actually first time I’ve heard that. Love it. The lyrics are so apt.
I think I’ve mentioned it here before, but for anyone else who doesn’t read my every word, and click my every link, here is:
Nice guitar work. :) Something he’s always been good at.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:He stitches up and fleeces
He wants to manicure the World
And sell it off in pieces.Actually first time I’ve heard that. Love it. The lyrics are so apt.
I think I’ve mentioned it here before, but for anyone else who doesn’t read my every word, and click my every link, here is:
Nice guitar work. :) Something he’s always been good at.
sarahs mum said:
Honest US Postal Service Ad | Mail-in Votingthejuicemedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klUweWE-u6A
Liked this.
Anyway, I hope all Trump’s chooks turn to emoo’s and kick his shithouse down.
What’s so bad about Trump’s choice of place to have acceptance speech?
Because it might be prohibited by an 81-year-old law called the Hatch Act.
That law bans public servants from participating in activities contributing towards the success or failure of a particular political party — in this case, the Republican Party.
The reasoning is that if you work for a federal agency, you can’t use your taxpayer-funded office to advocate for your political beliefs or influence the result of an election.
It’s supposed to protect federal public servants from risking their job if they’re directed to take part in a partisan political activity and they don’t want to.
roughbarked said:
What’s so bad about Trump’s choice of place to have acceptance speech?Because it might be prohibited by an 81-year-old law called the Hatch Act.
That law bans public servants from participating in activities contributing towards the success or failure of a particular political party — in this case, the Republican Party.
The reasoning is that if you work for a federal agency, you can’t use your taxpayer-funded office to advocate for your political beliefs or influence the result of an election.
It’s supposed to protect federal public servants from risking their job if they’re directed to take part in a partisan political activity and they don’t want to.
Not unlike using your Federal electoral office and staff for party matters.
roughbarked said:
Anyway, I hope all Trump’s chooks turn to emoo’s and kick his shithouse down.
~and kick his shithouse bathroom down.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Anyway, I hope all Trump’s chooks turn to emoo’s and kick his shithouse down.
~and kick his
shithousebathroom down.
:)
roughbarked said:
What’s so bad about Trump’s choice of place to have acceptance speech?Because it might be prohibited by an 81-year-old law called the Hatch Act.
That law bans public servants from participating in activities contributing towards the success or failure of a particular political party — in this case, the Republican Party.
The reasoning is that if you work for a federal agency, you can’t use your taxpayer-funded office to advocate for your political beliefs or influence the result of an election.
It’s supposed to protect federal public servants from risking their job if they’re directed to take part in a partisan political activity and they don’t want to.
The ABC article says that it’s been broken before and basically nothing happened.
Divine Angel said:
roughbarked said:
What’s so bad about Trump’s choice of place to have acceptance speech?Because it might be prohibited by an 81-year-old law called the Hatch Act.
That law bans public servants from participating in activities contributing towards the success or failure of a particular political party — in this case, the Republican Party.
The reasoning is that if you work for a federal agency, you can’t use your taxpayer-funded office to advocate for your political beliefs or influence the result of an election.
It’s supposed to protect federal public servants from risking their job if they’re directed to take part in a partisan political activity and they don’t want to.
The ABC article says that it’s been broken before and basically nothing happened.
Yeah and I think Trump is using anything like that to his advantage.
William Barr told Murdoch to ‘muzzle’ Fox News Trump critic
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/22/william-barr-rupert-murdoch-muzzle-andrew-napolitano-fox-news-trump-critic-book?CMP=soc_567
In early 2019 it was reported that Napolitano, a New Jersey superior court judge who joined Fox News in 1998, told friends he had been on Trump’s shortlist for the supreme court. But he broke ranks later in the year, labeling Trump’s approaches to Ukraine, seeking political dirt on rivals, “both criminal and impeachable behavior”.
“The criminal behavior to which Trump has admitted,” Napolitano wrote, in a column dated 3 October, “is much more grave than anything alleged or unearthed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and much of what Mueller revealed was impeachable”.
Citing an unnamed source, Stelter writes that Trump “was so incensed by the judge’s TV broadcasts that he had implored Barr to send Rupert a message in person … about ‘muzzling the judge’. wanted the nation’s top law enforcement official to convey just how atrocious Napolitano’s legal analysis had been.”
Barr has been widely accused of riding roughshod over the rule of law, in service of Trump and his own authoritarian view of the presidency.
Though Barr’s words to Murdoch “carried a lot of weight”, Stelter writes, “no one was explicitly told to take Napolitano off the air”. Instead, Stelter reports, Napolitano found digital resources allocated elsewhere, saw a slot on a daytime show disappear and was not included in coverage of the impeachment process.
In Stelter’s telling, Napolitano thought he was being kept off air by “25-year-old producers” who didn’t think viewers could handle his analysis. Stelter, however, says an unnamed “twentysomething staffer” confirmed that one host, Maria Bartiromo, would only book Napolitano to discuss non-Trump topics, because he would upset Bartiromo too much if he criticised the president.
dv said:
William Barr told Murdoch to ‘muzzle’ Fox News Trump critichttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/22/william-barr-rupert-murdoch-muzzle-andrew-napolitano-fox-news-trump-critic-book?CMP=soc_567
In early 2019 it was reported that Napolitano, a New Jersey superior court judge who joined Fox News in 1998, told friends he had been on Trump’s shortlist for the supreme court. But he broke ranks later in the year, labeling Trump’s approaches to Ukraine, seeking political dirt on rivals, “both criminal and impeachable behavior”.
“The criminal behavior to which Trump has admitted,” Napolitano wrote, in a column dated 3 October, “is much more grave than anything alleged or unearthed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and much of what Mueller revealed was impeachable”.
Citing an unnamed source, Stelter writes that Trump “was so incensed by the judge’s TV broadcasts that he had implored Barr to send Rupert a message in person … about ‘muzzling the judge’. wanted the nation’s top law enforcement official to convey just how atrocious Napolitano’s legal analysis had been.”
Barr has been widely accused of riding roughshod over the rule of law, in service of Trump and his own authoritarian view of the presidency.
Though Barr’s words to Murdoch “carried a lot of weight”, Stelter writes, “no one was explicitly told to take Napolitano off the air”. Instead, Stelter reports, Napolitano found digital resources allocated elsewhere, saw a slot on a daytime show disappear and was not included in coverage of the impeachment process.
In Stelter’s telling, Napolitano thought he was being kept off air by “25-year-old producers” who didn’t think viewers could handle his analysis. Stelter, however, says an unnamed “twentysomething staffer” confirmed that one host, Maria Bartiromo, would only book Napolitano to discuss non-Trump topics, because he would upset Bartiromo too much if he criticised the president.
This Murdoch chap has a lot to answer for :(
I do hope that everyone is keeping up on the Republican National Convention. Riveting viewing.
sibeen said:
I do hope that everyone is keeping up on the Republican National Convention. Riveting viewing.
Rather watch penguins tbh
sibeen said:
I do hope that everyone is keeping up on the Republican National Convention. Riveting viewing.
Not I. Nor am I about to start watching the penguins.
Am I a bad person?
Find out what the Republicans really thought about Trump before he got the top job – In their own words.
Move On they all knew, they’re all complicit.
(link opens Facebook Video)
Rule 303 said:
Find out what the Republicans really thought about Trump before he got the top job – In their own words.Move On they all knew, they’re all complicit.
(link opens Facebook Video)
so the current advice is that trump will win -yeah?
Shanghai, China: A technician works on a wax figure of Donald Trump in a workshop.

Ok so Trump is crowing about twelve more years. I thought there was a two term limit? Or can’t he count?
Divine Angel said:
Ok so Trump is crowing about twelve more years. I thought there was a two term limit? Or can’t he count?
He thinks he should get another one “because Obama spied on me”
Neophyte said:
Divine Angel said:
Ok so Trump is crowing about twelve more years. I thought there was a two term limit? Or can’t he count?
He thinks he should get another one “because Obama spied on me”
Wait what
Divine Angel said:
Neophyte said:
Divine Angel said:
Ok so Trump is crowing about twelve more years. I thought there was a two term limit? Or can’t he count?
He thinks he should get another one “because Obama spied on me”
Wait what
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzhoPioYhSo
Neophyte said:
Divine Angel said:
Neophyte said:He thinks he should get another one “because Obama spied on me”
Wait what
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzhoPioYhSo
What a baby.
Don Jr’s girlfriend HUMILIATES herself with off-the-rails speech at GOP convention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qTONsPBN6U&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Fpbfrc7ZIjIl7IYytD9Z6y85L9vw4JiYW4gdEqT7H7dk3WN3qcYtieg8
sarahs mum said:
Don Jr’s girlfriend HUMILIATES herself with off-the-rails speech at GOP convention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qTONsPBN6U&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Fpbfrc7ZIjIl7IYytD9Z6y85L9vw4JiYW4gdEqT7H7dk3WN3qcYtieg8
Surely they can only be considered humiliated if they have any sense of shame by which they can feel or be made to feel so….and if there’s one thing Trump’s cabal lack, it’s shame.
Neophyte said:
sarahs mum said:
Don Jr’s girlfriend HUMILIATES herself with off-the-rails speech at GOP convention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qTONsPBN6U&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Fpbfrc7ZIjIl7IYytD9Z6y85L9vw4JiYW4gdEqT7H7dk3WN3qcYtieg8
Surely they can only be considered humiliated if they have any sense of shame by which they can feel or be made to feel so….and if there’s one thing Trump’s cabal lack, it’s shame.
Yep.
DV shared today that GW Bush, Mitt Romney and Bob Dole, and GH Bush and John McCain were they alive would not have been at this Republican Convention. It remains to be seen if the Republican hierarchy, who have been happy to ride on Trump’s coat-tails will see reason come the evening of November 3 and persuade Trump (given a decisive win by Biden) that his time is up and disavow him if he tries even more to trash the constitution for his own egotistical, moronic ends.
As they say may you live in exciting times.
sarahs mum said:
Don Jr’s girlfriend HUMILIATES herself with off-the-rails speech at GOP convention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qTONsPBN6U&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Fpbfrc7ZIjIl7IYytD9Z6y85L9vw4JiYW4gdEqT7H7dk3WN3qcYtieg8
That was entertaining :)
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Don Jr’s girlfriend HUMILIATES herself with off-the-rails speech at GOP convention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qTONsPBN6U&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Fpbfrc7ZIjIl7IYytD9Z6y85L9vw4JiYW4gdEqT7H7dk3WN3qcYtieg8
That was entertaining :)
:) Like a car crash.
I haven’t watched Don Jnrs rant yet but I have read about the condition of his eyes.
In 2015, after white supremacist Dylann Roof shot churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina. His stated motivation was to start a race war, and he festooned his home, vehicle and social media pages with the Confederate battle flag.
In the aftermath, Republican governor of SC, Nikki Haley, saw to it that the Confederate flag would no longer be flown at the Capitol or other official State buildings.
Fast forward five years, and protection of the Confederate Flag is one of the President’s pet projects. He has spoken and tweeted at length at the importance of the flag to America’s heritage and has decried it’s removal from military bases, the banning of the flag by Nascar, has called it “the proud symbol of the South”.
You’d think this might put Haley and Trump at odds, or at least that it would be a topic to avoid at a conference in order to emphasise points of unity.
In her RNC speech, she said:
It doesn’t have to be like this. It wasn’t like this in South Carolina five years ago. Our state came face-to-face with evil. A white supremacist walked into Mother Emanuel Church during Bible Study. Twelve African Americans pulled up a chair and prayed with him for an hour. Then he began to shoot.After that horrific tragedy, we didn’t turn against each other. We came together — black and white, Democrat and Republican. Together, we made the hard choices needed to heal — and removed a divisive symbol, peacefully and respectfully.
What happened then should give us hope now. America isn’t perfect. But the principles we hold dear are perfect. If there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s that even on our worst day, we are blessed to live in America.
It’s time to keep that blessing alive for the next generation. This President, and this Party, are committed to that noble task.
It’s just … mad. The audience surely can’t be unaware of Trump’s views on the topic.
The whole thing has been like that. They are talking about some fictional, fantasy President as though the audience are a bunch of morons.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Don Jr’s girlfriend HUMILIATES herself with off-the-rails speech at GOP convention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qTONsPBN6U&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Fpbfrc7ZIjIl7IYytD9Z6y85L9vw4JiYW4gdEqT7H7dk3WN3qcYtieg8
That was entertaining :)
Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbTPujtlidk
Don Jnr.
Can string words together.
If he is coked up he has the right amount going.
dv said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Don Jr’s girlfriend HUMILIATES herself with off-the-rails speech at GOP convention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qTONsPBN6U&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Fpbfrc7ZIjIl7IYytD9Z6y85L9vw4JiYW4gdEqT7H7dk3WN3qcYtieg8
That was entertaining :)
Jesus
Well it was. I couldn’t stop laughing all the way through. Comedy gold.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:That was entertaining :)
Jesus
Well it was. I couldn’t stop laughing all the way through. Comedy gold.
It’s an uneasy laughter, knowing that there are probably millions of people nodding along sagely
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:Jesus
Well it was. I couldn’t stop laughing all the way through. Comedy gold.
It’s an uneasy laughter, knowing that there are probably millions of people nodding along sagely
Yes, but we’re well aware that Trump could bite the head off a chicken live on stage and 35% of potential voters would take it as a grand gesture. You’re not going to turn them. I just hope that a real lot of independents tuned in tonight or catch up with it on youtube or some other platform.
dv said:
They are talking about some fictional, fantasy President as though the audience are a bunch of morons.
I sense you’re starting to see this from my PoV, DV..
:-)
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:Jesus
Well it was. I couldn’t stop laughing all the way through. Comedy gold.
It’s an uneasy laughter, knowing that there are probably millions of people nodding along sagely
Yes, yes… Let the hate flow through you…
Rule 303 said:
dv said:They are talking about some fictional, fantasy President as though the audience are a bunch of morons.
I sense you’re starting to see this from my PoV, DV..
:-)
What’s your POV…
Car okay?
Escusi
dv said:
Car okay?
In this thread it is a limo.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Car okay?
In this thread it is a limo.
He’d prefer to be Daimler.
Are people who know Trump cursed?
sarahs mum said:
Are people who know Trump cursed?
In this Trump seems to attract people who are susceptible to hand waving. “look at these hands and you’ll believe everything I say”.
Divine Angel said:
He’s tippy top at everything, all right.
Neophyte said:
Divine Angel said:
He’s tippy top at everything, all right.
It’s a talent.

Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
sarahs mum said:
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Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
oh I want to hear her speak… where can I find that?
sarahs mum said:
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Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
Was she talking about getting people up against a wall?
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
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Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
oh I want to hear her speak… where can I find that?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/melania-trump-speech-on-coronavirus-rnc-day-two/12596590
sarahs mum said:
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Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
Might have been a gift from Putin.
sarahs mum said:
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Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
Needs some fake medals.
Probably some army boots to go with it too.
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
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Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
oh I want to hear her speak… where can I find that?
I suspect it went something like this:
So ya
Thought ya
Might like to go to the show
To feel the warm thrill of confusion
That space cadet glow
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
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Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
oh I want to hear her speak… where can I find that?
I’ll look for the whole thing but I just watched this..https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/melania-trump-speech-on-coronavirus-rnc-day-two/12596590
45 seconds of robot culture… Jesus that was even trying to be genuine.
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:oh I want to hear her speak… where can I find that?
I’ll look for the whole thing but I just watched this..https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/melania-trump-speech-on-coronavirus-rnc-day-two/12596590
45 seconds of robot culture… Jesus that was even trying to be genuine.
Nick Sandmann, the teen in a Make America Great Again hat…in front of the Lincoln memorial.
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
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Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
oh I want to hear her speak… where can I find that?
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/08/26/melania-trump-rnc-2020-speech-full-vpx.rnc
sarahs mum said:
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Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
Looks like a Bond villain.
:)
sarahs mum said:
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Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
Looks like a Bond villain.
:)
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:I’ll look for the whole thing but I just watched this..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/melania-trump-speech-on-coronavirus-rnc-day-two/12596590
45 seconds of robot culture… Jesus that was even trying to be genuine.
Nick Sandmann, the teen in a Make America Great Again hat…in front of the Lincoln memorial.
How long was his speech?
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
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Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
Needs some fake medals.
Probably some army boots to go with it too.
Somezing like zis:

Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:oh I want to hear her speak… where can I find that?
I’ll look for the whole thing but I just watched this..https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/melania-trump-speech-on-coronavirus-rnc-day-two/12596590
45 seconds of robot culture… Jesus that was even trying to be genuine.
She sounded like she was saying things with a gun in her back. Or maybe it’s one of those deep fake videos.
sarahs mum said:
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Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
Apparently it sold out within minutes of her speech starting. About $1600usd I think I read.
Divine Angel said:
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:I’ll look for the whole thing but I just watched this..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/melania-trump-speech-on-coronavirus-rnc-day-two/12596590
45 seconds of robot culture… Jesus that was even trying to be genuine.
She sounded like she was saying things with a gun in her back. Or maybe it’s one of those deep fake videos.
Maybe there was.
Divine Angel said:
sarahs mum said:
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Is that the most appropriate thing she could find to wear?
Apparently it sold out within minutes of her speech starting. About $1600usd I think I read.
could have got it cheaper at a disposal store,
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:45 seconds of robot culture… Jesus that was even trying to be genuine.
Nick Sandmann, the teen in a Make America Great Again hat…in front of the Lincoln memorial.
How long was his speech?
For those interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RERNDjwv7DU
Divine Angel said:
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:I’ll look for the whole thing but I just watched this..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/melania-trump-speech-on-coronavirus-rnc-day-two/12596590
45 seconds of robot culture… Jesus that was even trying to be genuine.
She sounded like she was saying things with a gun in her back. Or maybe it’s one of those deep fake videos.
Of course i meant wasn’t.
Trump’s former top Threat Prevention official in the Department of Homeland Security, Elizabeth Neumann, has joined other former Trump DHS officials in endorsing Joe Biden for president.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-homeland-security-official-endorse-biden-blame-trump-covid-1050281/
Elizabeth Neumann, Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary of Threat Prevention and Security Policy, testifies during a House Oversight and Reform Civil Rights and Civil Liberties subcommittee hearing on confronting white supremacy and the adequacy of the federal response, Tuesday June 4, 2019, on Capitol Hill in Washington.
Elizabeth Neumann voted for Donald Trump in 2016, and she recently served as Assistant Secretary for Threat Prevention and Security Policy at the Department of Homeland Security. Neumann is now speaking out against Trump as a “racist” and a danger to America. In a new video, she implicates Trump’s rhetoric in the rise of white nationalist terrorism. Separately, Neumann blasts Trump for blocking implementation of plans that could have blunted the impact of the coronavirus pandemic in America in January, “because he didn’t want the economy to tank and he didn’t want a distraction from his campaign.”
The video, the latest in a series of administration figures speaking out against the president, was posted Wednesday by Republican Voters Against Trump, founded by neoconservative and Trump antagonist Bill Kristol. Neumann describes herself as a devout Christian who decided to back Trump in 2016 because of “the pro-life issue.” But she now says that Trump has “absolutely failed” and views him as a danger to American lives: “We are less safe today because of his leadership. We will continue to be less safe as long as he is in control,” she says, adding: “I’ll be voting for Joe Biden.”
Here is her interview:
https://youtu.be/dVsEz7rNka4
https://youtu.be/rKoEsJfH-l8
Fox News journalist Chris Wallace blasts Trump for inappropriate use of the White House during RNC, and the politicisation of the office of Secretary of State position.
dv said:
“the pro-life issue.” — Hard when so many people are dead on their watch.
Trump’s former top Threat Prevention official in the Department of Homeland Security, Elizabeth Neumann, has joined other former Trump DHS officials in endorsing Joe Biden for president.https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-homeland-security-official-endorse-biden-blame-trump-covid-1050281/
Elizabeth Neumann, Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary of Threat Prevention and Security Policy, testifies during a House Oversight and Reform Civil Rights and Civil Liberties subcommittee hearing on confronting white supremacy and the adequacy of the federal response, Tuesday June 4, 2019, on Capitol Hill in Washington.
Elizabeth Neumann voted for Donald Trump in 2016, and she recently served as Assistant Secretary for Threat Prevention and Security Policy at the Department of Homeland Security. Neumann is now speaking out against Trump as a “racist” and a danger to America. In a new video, she implicates Trump’s rhetoric in the rise of white nationalist terrorism. Separately, Neumann blasts Trump for blocking implementation of plans that could have blunted the impact of the coronavirus pandemic in America in January, “because he didn’t want the economy to tank and he didn’t want a distraction from his campaign.”
The video, the latest in a series of administration figures speaking out against the president, was posted Wednesday by Republican Voters Against Trump, founded by neoconservative and Trump antagonist Bill Kristol. Neumann describes herself as a devout Christian who decided to back Trump in 2016 because of “the pro-life issue.” But she now says that Trump has “absolutely failed” and views him as a danger to American lives: “We are less safe today because of his leadership. We will continue to be less safe as long as he is in control,” she says, adding: “I’ll be voting for Joe Biden.”
Here is her interview:
https://youtu.be/dVsEz7rNka4
Still doing a fantastic job, Trump for the win
The-Spectator said:
Still doing a fantastic job, Trump for the win
It would surprise me, as the Democrats are using logic to influence opinion, whereas the Republicans are using emotion and like selling cars or anything else, emotions win hands down.
PermeateFree said:
The-Spectator said:
Still doing a fantastic job, Trump for the win
It would surprise me, as the Democrats are using logic to influence opinion, whereas the Republicans are using emotion and like selling cars or anything else, emotions win hands down.
It would NOT surprise me,…………….
PermeateFree said:
PermeateFree said:
The-Spectator said:
Still doing a fantastic job, Trump for the win
It would surprise me, as the Democrats are using logic to influence opinion, whereas the Republicans are using emotion and like selling cars or anything else, emotions win hands down.
It would NOT surprise me,…………….
The Democrats relied on logic and the ‘common sense’ of the electorate last time, and look where that got us.

Arts said:
The Programme is progressing nicely…
The-Spectator said:
Still doing a fantastic job, Trump for the win
If only Trump’s cronies hadn’t forced this guy to back away, Who knows? America could have been great by now and the world may have been a different place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXH5agV7skw&feature=emb_logo

captain_spalding said:
and people believe this drivel.
captain_spalding said:
Such inspire. Much no-ledge.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
Divine Angel said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
Ah. that makes today’s Beau make more sense.
Divine Angel said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

captain_spalding said:
Divine Angel said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
“I don’t get it. What was in it for (him)?”
If he only had bone spurs.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
Divine Angel said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
“I don’t get it. What was in it for (him)?”
My guess is that his legs worked once upon a time. Where as the child did not have such a memory to reflect upon.
Scott Atlas, Trump’s pick for pandemic advisor is…a radiologist.
It could be worse.
sarahs mum said:
Scott Atlas, Trump’s pick for pandemic advisor is…a radiologist.It could be worse.
And…FOX news pandemic expert.
captain_spalding said:
Divine Angel said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
“I don’t get it. What was in it for (him)?”
I’m relieved to discover that is a Trump quote.
Remember when Trump was playing down the Steele dossier, saying it can’t be true because he’s a germaphobe?
Wouldn’t a germaphobe be masky mcmaskface during a pandemic?
dv said:
Remember when Trump was playing down the Steele dossier, saying it can’t be true because he’s a germaphobe?Wouldn’t a germaphobe be masky mcmaskface during a pandemic?
A germaphobe would starve to death.
dv said:
Remember when Trump was playing down the Steele dossier, saying it can’t be true because he’s a germaphobe?Wouldn’t a germaphobe be masky mcmaskface during a pandemic?
But he is a liar.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Remember when Trump was playing down the Steele dossier, saying it can’t be true because he’s a germaphobe?Wouldn’t a germaphobe be masky mcmaskface during a pandemic?
But he is a liar.
He probably thinks that it means that he doesn’t like Germans.
President Donald Trump said the United States must look “very seriously” into the poisoning of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny, but that his administration had not yet seen any proof.
“I think we have to look at it very seriously, if it’s the case,” he said, before talking at length about his diplomatic efforts in North Korea and nuclear non-proliferation in Russia. “I don’t know exactly what happened. It’s tragic. It’s terrible, it shouldn’t happen. We haven’t had any proof yet, but I will take a look.
“It is interesting that everybody’s always mentioning Russia … but I think probably China at this point is a nation that you should be talking about much more so than Russia.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/donald-trump-casts-doubt-on-navalny-poisoning-saying-us-hasnt-had-any-proof
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Idk man, I think China probably didn’t do it
dv said:
President Donald Trump said the United States must look “very seriously” into the poisoning of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny, but that his administration had not yet seen any proof.“I think we have to look at it very seriously, if it’s the case,” he said, before talking at length about his diplomatic efforts in North Korea and nuclear non-proliferation in Russia. “I don’t know exactly what happened. It’s tragic. It’s terrible, it shouldn’t happen. We haven’t had any proof yet, but I will take a look.
“It is interesting that everybody’s always mentioning Russia … but I think probably China at this point is a nation that you should be talking about much more so than Russia.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/donald-trump-casts-doubt-on-navalny-poisoning-saying-us-hasnt-had-any-proof
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Idk man, I think China probably didn’t do it
but they didn’t stop Russia from doing it…
dv said:
President Donald Trump said the United States must look “very seriously” into the poisoning of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny, but that his administration had not yet seen any proof.“I think we have to look at it very seriously, if it’s the case,” he said, before talking at length about his diplomatic efforts in North Korea and nuclear non-proliferation in Russia. “I don’t know exactly what happened. It’s tragic. It’s terrible, it shouldn’t happen. We haven’t had any proof yet, but I will take a look.
“It is interesting that everybody’s always mentioning Russia … but I think probably China at this point is a nation that you should be talking about much more so than Russia.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/donald-trump-casts-doubt-on-navalny-poisoning-saying-us-hasnt-had-any-proof
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Idk man, I think China probably didn’t do it
What a silly bunt.
Germany have done the looking into it, nobody needs to start their own investigation.
Both Russia and China should be treated with suspicion by the free world. It is not a one or the other potential bogeyman thing.
Apparently Trump hired a “Faux-bama” just to belittle and fire him.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/michael-cohen-book-trump-white-house/index.html
Divine Angel said:
Apparently Trump hired a “Faux-bama” just to belittle and fire him.https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/michael-cohen-book-trump-white-house/index.html
Perhaps he does eat children.
sarahs mum said:
Divine Angel said:
Apparently Trump hired a “Faux-bama” just to belittle and fire him.https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/michael-cohen-book-trump-white-house/index.html
Perhaps he does eat children.
Oh. It’s Hilary who eats children isn’t it?
Divine Angel said:
Apparently Trump hired a “Faux-bama” just to belittle and fire him.https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/michael-cohen-book-trump-white-house/index.html
Gosh…
Divine Angel said:
Apparently Trump hired a “Faux-bama” just to belittle and fire him.https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/michael-cohen-book-trump-white-house/index.html
We already know he’s scum but yeah, scum +.
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:
Apparently Trump hired a “Faux-bama” just to belittle and fire him.https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/michael-cohen-book-trump-white-house/index.html
We already know he’s scum but yeah, scum +.
I feel bad for the actor. What spewed forth from Trump’s mouth would have been quite awful.
At this point, he’ll be hiring someone he can shoot on Fifth Avenue.
Neophyte said:
At this point, he’ll be hiring someone he can shoot on Fifth Avenue.
While grabbing them by the pussy in full view of the world press.
Many millions will still vote for him.
Bubblecar said:
Neophyte said:
At this point, he’ll be hiring someone he can shoot on Fifth Avenue.
While grabbing them by the pussy in full view of the world press.
Many millions will still vote for him.
Perhaps they too want to be able to grab women by the pussy?
There is no end to the darkness of which the human mind is capable.
Trumpite: Sure I know he’s a piece of shit, but I’m still voting for him, to piss off the libtards, who I hate.
Interviewer: Why do you hate them?
Trumpite: I don’t even know. Maybe it’s genetic.
Rule 303 said:
There is no end to the darkness of which the human mind is capable.
quite so.
Trump demands Fox News fire reporter who says she confirmed part of Atlantic story
The president called for Fox News to fire Jennifer Griffin over “this kind of reporting” on Friday night, hours after she said she confirmed parts of the Atlantic’s story that Trump denigrated fallen or wounded soldiers while overseas in 2018. Trump also claimed that Griffin “never even called us for comment,” and said that Fox News “is gone.”
Griffin, citing two former senior Trump administration officials, confirmed that Goldberg’s report was true in regard to disparaging veterans and not wanting to visit the cemetery. While Griffin’s reporting did not specifically confirm the “losers” and “suckers” comments, she reported that Trump said that anyone who fought in the Vietnam War was a “sucker,” citing a former senior U.S. official. The “suckers” comment alleged in the Atlantic’s report was in regard to U.S. Marines in World War I.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/05/media/the-atlantic-trump-military-fox-news/index.html
(CNN)The US Justice Department, in an extraordinary move on Tuesday, asked to take over the defense of President Donald Trump in a defamation lawsuit filed against him by E. Jean Carroll, a woman who has accused Trump of sexual assault.
While the alleged sexual assault occurred long before Trump became President, the Justice Department argued that it must take over because Trump’s comments spurring the defamation lawsuit came while he was in office. The move — defending Trump at taxpayer expense — comes amid ongoing criticism that the Justice Department has acted in the President’s personal interests.
The request and possible change of lawyers could further delay the lawsuit, or even kill it entirely. Should the Justice Department be allowed to take over, it could mean the end of Carroll’s lawsuit as the federal government can’t be sued for defamation, noted CNN legal analyst and University of Texas law school professor Steve Vladeck.
Trump’s denials came while he was acting in his official duties as President, the Justice Department said in court papers Tuesday.
“The Westfall Act accordingly requires the substitution of the United States as defendant in this action,” the department added.
“Even in today’s world, that argument is shocking,” said Roberta Kaplan, Carroll’s attorney, of the Justice Department’s logic.
CNN legal analyst Elie Honig called the move “a wild stretch by DOJ.”
“I can’t remotely conceive how DOJ can argue with a straight face that it is somehow within the official duties of the President to deny a claim that he committed sexual assault years before he took office,” Honig said.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/08/politics/e-jean-carroll-trump-lawsuit/index.html
dv said:
(CNN)The US Justice Department, in an extraordinary move on Tuesday, asked to take over the defense of President Donald Trump in a defamation lawsuit filed against him by E. Jean Carroll, a woman who has accused Trump of sexual assault.
While the alleged sexual assault occurred long before Trump became President, the Justice Department argued that it must take over because Trump’s comments spurring the defamation lawsuit came while he was in office. The move — defending Trump at taxpayer expense — comes amid ongoing criticism that the Justice Department has acted in the President’s personal interests.
The request and possible change of lawyers could further delay the lawsuit, or even kill it entirely. Should the Justice Department be allowed to take over, it could mean the end of Carroll’s lawsuit as the federal government can’t be sued for defamation, noted CNN legal analyst and University of Texas law school professor Steve Vladeck.
Trump’s denials came while he was acting in his official duties as President, the Justice Department said in court papers Tuesday.
“The Westfall Act accordingly requires the substitution of the United States as defendant in this action,” the department added.
“Even in today’s world, that argument is shocking,” said Roberta Kaplan, Carroll’s attorney, of the Justice Department’s logic.
CNN legal analyst Elie Honig called the move “a wild stretch by DOJ.”
“I can’t remotely conceive how DOJ can argue with a straight face that it is somehow within the official duties of the President to deny a claim that he committed sexual assault years before he took office,” Honig said.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/08/politics/e-jean-carroll-trump-lawsuit/index.html
That’s awful that these matters have to be delayed, particularly for Don who wont have a chance to clear his name before the election
Law And Order
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:(CNN)The US Justice Department, in an extraordinary move on Tuesday, asked to take over the defense of President Donald Trump in a defamation lawsuit filed against him by E. Jean Carroll, a woman who has accused Trump of sexual assault.
While the alleged sexual assault occurred long before Trump became President, the Justice Department argued that it must take over because Trump’s comments spurring the defamation lawsuit came while he was in office. The move — defending Trump at taxpayer expense — comes amid ongoing criticism that the Justice Department has acted in the President’s personal interests.
The request and possible change of lawyers could further delay the lawsuit, or even kill it entirely. Should the Justice Department be allowed to take over, it could mean the end of Carroll’s lawsuit as the federal government can’t be sued for defamation, noted CNN legal analyst and University of Texas law school professor Steve Vladeck.
Trump’s denials came while he was acting in his official duties as President, the Justice Department said in court papers Tuesday.
“The Westfall Act accordingly requires the substitution of the United States as defendant in this action,” the department added.
“Even in today’s world, that argument is shocking,” said Roberta Kaplan, Carroll’s attorney, of the Justice Department’s logic.
CNN legal analyst Elie Honig called the move “a wild stretch by DOJ.”
“I can’t remotely conceive how DOJ can argue with a straight face that it is somehow within the official duties of the President to deny a claim that he committed sexual assault years before he took office,” Honig said.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/08/politics/e-jean-carroll-trump-lawsuit/index.html
That’s awful that these matters have to be delayed, particularly for Don who wont have a chance to clear his name before the election
Pray that other women come forward.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:(CNN)The US Justice Department, in an extraordinary move on Tuesday, asked to take over the defense of President Donald Trump in a defamation lawsuit filed against him by E. Jean Carroll, a woman who has accused Trump of sexual assault.
While the alleged sexual assault occurred long before Trump became President, the Justice Department argued that it must take over because Trump’s comments spurring the defamation lawsuit came while he was in office. The move — defending Trump at taxpayer expense — comes amid ongoing criticism that the Justice Department has acted in the President’s personal interests.
The request and possible change of lawyers could further delay the lawsuit, or even kill it entirely. Should the Justice Department be allowed to take over, it could mean the end of Carroll’s lawsuit as the federal government can’t be sued for defamation, noted CNN legal analyst and University of Texas law school professor Steve Vladeck.
Trump’s denials came while he was acting in his official duties as President, the Justice Department said in court papers Tuesday.
“The Westfall Act accordingly requires the substitution of the United States as defendant in this action,” the department added.
“Even in today’s world, that argument is shocking,” said Roberta Kaplan, Carroll’s attorney, of the Justice Department’s logic.
CNN legal analyst Elie Honig called the move “a wild stretch by DOJ.”
“I can’t remotely conceive how DOJ can argue with a straight face that it is somehow within the official duties of the President to deny a claim that he committed sexual assault years before he took office,” Honig said.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/08/politics/e-jean-carroll-trump-lawsuit/index.html
That’s awful that these matters have to be delayed, particularly for Don who wont have a chance to clear his name before the election
Pray that other women come forward.
Are his taxes still being audited?
Neophyte said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:That’s awful that these matters have to be delayed, particularly for Don who wont have a chance to clear his name before the election
Pray that other women come forward.
Are his taxes still being audited?
By the Russians…
Witty Rejoinder said:
Neophyte said:
roughbarked said:Pray that other women come forward.
Are his taxes still being audited?
By the Russians…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-10/donald-trumps-tax-records-can-be-examined-court/12441276
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-08/trumps-challenge-to-revealing-tax-returns-rejected-by-judge/11580758
“Trump’s effort to wield the power of the US Government to evade responsibility for his private misconduct is without precedent, and shows even more starkly how far he is willing to go to prevent the truth from coming out,” her lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, said in a statement.
Tau.Neutrino said:
US President Donald Trump is being sued over rape allegations. The Justice Department is intervening to defend him
This is not new. You’ll find it mentioned quite a few times in this thread since yesterday.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
US President Donald Trump is being sued over rape allegations. The Justice Department is intervening to defend him
This is not new. You’ll find it mentioned quite a few times in this thread since yesterday.
ok.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Eric looks like he could actually be as bright as his father.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Eric looks like he could actually be as bright as his father.
Just goes to show how well you can do without looks and (probably) brains, as long as your father (reputedly) has a lot of money.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Who slapped me? LMAO!!
Wish someone would.
Having 12+ sexual allegations against him.
Doesn’t look good for a sitting President.
Doesn’t look good for America either.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Who slapped me? LMAO!!
Wish someone would.
Having 12+ sexual allegations against him.
Doesn’t look good for a sitting President.
Doesn’t look good for America either.
They will brush away those crimes.
and then it doesn’t look good for women’s rights.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Who slapped me? LMAO!!
Wish someone would.
Having 12+ sexual allegations against him.
Doesn’t look good for a sitting President.
Doesn’t look good for America either.
Doesn’t matter, it has all been for Trump. Nobody else.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:Wish someone would.
Having 12+ sexual allegations against him.
Doesn’t look good for a sitting President.
Doesn’t look good for America either.
They will brush away those crimes.
and then it doesn’t look good for women’s rights.
He won’t get away with it. Back at the beginning, Al Gore said on BBC TV; “Don’t confuse Trump with America. Because America is greater than Trump”.
‘I wanted to always play it down’: Trump admitted.
Well, what is different about a virus when everything else was played up?
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Having 12+ sexual allegations against him.
Doesn’t look good for a sitting President.
Doesn’t look good for America either.
They will brush away those crimes.
and then it doesn’t look good for women’s rights.
He won’t get away with it. Back at the beginning, Al Gore said on BBC TV; “Don’t confuse Trump with America. Because America is greater than Trump”.
Its like America is saying, This is acceptable behaviour when it isn’t. its really horrible male behaviour. We will try to do something about it later.
Well I hope it does catch up with him, the far right over there needs a slap in the face.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/trump-woodward-fallout-coronavirus/index.html
White House and Trump campaign scramble to respond to Woodward revelations
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Unfortunately for them it’s all on tape.
They might be close to the point where they just have to refute the existence of a shared external reality.
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/trump-woodward-fallout-coronavirus/index.htmlWhite House and Trump campaign scramble to respond to Woodward revelations
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Unfortunately for them it’s all on tape.
They might be close to the point where they just have to refute the existence of a shared external reality.
LOL
Former Department of Justice official from the Bush and Obama eras, William Brangham, comments on the unprecedented DOJ move to take on Trump’s representation in a case related to defamation and sexual assault.
https://youtu.be/c5gZRs3wykw
Watching this Rachel Maddow youtube. Cohen is saying that Trump started the am going to be President to impress the Russians into letting him have hotel developments and such and then Trump got nominated and won which wasn’t really the plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TtkXXokDIg
Sucked in.
Bizarre.
Possibly makes sense.

captain_spalding said:
:)
Trump’s need to gossip about nukes provokes anxiety
Washington (CNN)For President Donald Trump, it seems like another a perk of the job: a just-between-us hint at a secret only he can reveal.
Boasting of his “great intel,” Trump once told Russian officials visiting the Oval Office in 2017 about an ISIS plot so classified the disclosure risked exposing the source.
In a telephone call with the President of the Philippines, also in 2017, Trump revealed the US had positioned submarines near North Korea, information previously so closely held that even some inside the White House were caught by surprise.
And in newly revealed conversation with legendary journalist Bob Woodward, Trump disclosed a nuclear weapons system he claimed “you haven’t even seen or heard about.”
“I have built a nuclear — a weapons system that nobody’s ever had in this country before,” Trump said, according to a recording of their December 5, 2019, conversation, before going on to say: “We have stuff that Putin and Xi have never heard about before. There’s nobody. What we have is incredible.”
In the ranks of information Trump has revealed that has provoked anxiety throughout the national security apparatus, it wasn’t necessarily the most shocking revelation. While some Democrats said the disclosure could harm national security, inside the administration few appeared worried by what amounted to another boast from a President known for divulging state secrets.
Woodward writes he later confirmed with several anonymous US officials that a new weapons system had been developed and they were “surprised” that Trump revealed it.
But the remark was revealing nonetheless because it demonstrated Trump’s penchant for using sometimes secret government information to impress his interlocutors and convey his stature.
Woodward, one of the famous newspaper journalists in America, spoke with Trump 18 times for the book in conversations Trump’s most senior aides were often unaware of. The President, convinced he could generate a positive portrayal, gave Woodward his personal cell phone number and often called him at night from the White House residence.
Trump seemed to believe that the more access he offered Woodward, the better the book would make him look. Yet many of his conversations also seemed designed to impress the veteran journalist with his insider knowledge and access to top-secret information — including detailing his encounters with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
Asked about the nuclear weapons system after excerpts of the book emerged on Wednesday, administration officials said they weren’t sure specifically what Trump was referring to but did not express great concern that his disclosure would jeopardize American security.
‘Super duper’ missile drama
In May, Trump boasted the US military was developing a new “super duper” missile that he claimed could travel 17 times faster than anything in the current arsenal. The disclosure set off a small drama at the Pentagon, where officials refused to provide any details of the weapon Trump himself unveiled.
Hours after Trump spoke, a Pentagon spokesman tweeted the Defense Department “is working on developing a range of hypersonic missiles to counter our adversaries.”
Another spokesman said, “we will not discuss capabilities of any systems we may or may not have under development.”
In March, the Pentagon said it successfully tested “a hypersonic glide body,” a key component of a hypersonic missile in a flight experiment in March, saying that weapons provide “an ability to strike targets hundreds and even thousands of miles away, in a matter of minutes.”
The Trump administration also began discussing a nuclear weapons system in 2018 that amounts to a low-yield variant of more traditional nuclear warheads.
Trump has previously boasted about modernizing the US nuclear arsenal and included a major increase in funding for that effort in his latest budget proposal.
The President, Vice President and some agency heads designated by the President have broad authority over classifying or declassifying information.
But Trump’s revelations of secret information run the risk of further damaging his already fraught relationship with US intelligence agencies. He has openly questioned the competency of intelligence officials, challenging their high-confidence assessment that Russia meddled in the 2016 presidential election.
Disclosures of this kind also risk harming Trump’s credibility with partners around the world who share sensitive information with the US on the understanding that it remains confidential.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/10/politics/trump-disclosures-anxiety/index.html
When Trump first announced the “Super Duper Missile” it made me laugh. Then I looked it up on Wikipedia and found it was a real thing. Then I read the Wikipedia article and clicked some hyperlinks -
Go to wikipedia page for Super-Duper Missile “the HTV-2 is reported capable… Mach 17.53. That’s where Trump got the “…17 x faster than what we have right now” from.
Don’t believe me? Click on the first hyperlink, “hypersonic missile” and it will take you to that page. “A hypersonic …. missile would travel at least five times the speed of sound (Mach 5). That’s where he got the “…you heard Russia has five times…” and then 5 lines under that “…this missile was developed to cruise from Mach 4 to Mach 6” is where he gets the “China’s working on 5 or 6 times…” It really looks like everything Trump said in this announcement literally came from him surfing wikidpedia a few nights before and either misunderstanding or misremembering the information he read in two wiki articles. Also notable that all of this info is contained in the first paragraph of each article. He didn’t even scroll down to read the whole of the articles!
so we’ve discovered that Trump trolls can edit Wikipedia right
esselte said:
When Trump first announced the “Super Duper Missile” it made me laugh. Then I looked it up on Wikipedia and found it was a real thing. Then I read the Wikipedia article and clicked some hyperlinks -Go to wikipedia page for Super-Duper Missile “the HTV-2 is reported capable… Mach 17.53. That’s where Trump got the “…17 x faster than what we have right now” from.
Don’t believe me? Click on the first hyperlink, “hypersonic missile” and it will take you to that page. “A hypersonic …. missile would travel at least five times the speed of sound (Mach 5). That’s where he got the “…you heard Russia has five times…” and then 5 lines under that “…this missile was developed to cruise from Mach 4 to Mach 6” is where he gets the “China’s working on 5 or 6 times…” It really looks like everything Trump said in this announcement literally came from him surfing wikidpedia a few nights before and either misunderstanding or misremembering the information he read in two wiki articles. Also notable that all of this info is contained in the first paragraph of each article. He didn’t even scroll down to read the whole of the articles!
I suppose one advantage of having a President who is a complete numbnuts and also an inveterate liar is that when he does divulge national secrets, there’s a good chance no one believes it.
Trump campaign misspells ‘Nobel’ Peace Prize in ad to fundraise off his nomination
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-campaign-misspells-nobel-peace-prize-in-fundraising-ad-2020-9?r=US&IR=T
dv said:
Trump campaign misspells ‘Nobel’ Peace Prize in ad to fundraise off his nominationhttps://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-campaign-misspells-nobel-peace-prize-in-fundraising-ad-2020-9?r=US&IR=T
There’s a hypothesis that it’s a ‘deliberate mistake’ so the dodgy nomination can’t be called fraudulent.
Attacking Joe Biden and seeking to exploit reports that his rival is struggling with Latino voters, Donald Trump boasted on Sunday of receiving “the highly honoured Bay of Pigs award” from Cuban Americans in the battleground state of Florida.
Perhaps inevitably, and to the glee of the internet, no such award exists.
The Bay of Pigs invasion, in April 1961, saw a CIA-sponsored force of Cuban exiles attempt to overthrow Fidel Castro and his communist regime. The failure of the mission continues to haunt US-Cuban relations, even after Barack Obama sought to bring the nations closer together.
Trump, whose company reportedly broke the Cuba trade embargo in 1998, has sought to reverse Obama’s policies.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/trump-bay-of-pigs-award-florida-cuba-biden?CMP=soc_567
dv said:
Attacking Joe Biden and seeking to exploit reports that his rival is struggling with Latino voters, Donald Trump boasted on Sunday of receiving “the highly honoured Bay of Pigs award” from Cuban Americans in the battleground state of Florida.Perhaps inevitably, and to the glee of the internet, no such award exists.
The Bay of Pigs invasion, in April 1961, saw a CIA-sponsored force of Cuban exiles attempt to overthrow Fidel Castro and his communist regime. The failure of the mission continues to haunt US-Cuban relations, even after Barack Obama sought to bring the nations closer together.
Trump, whose company reportedly broke the Cuba trade embargo in 1998, has sought to reverse Obama’s policies.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/trump-bay-of-pigs-award-florida-cuba-biden?CMP=soc_567
One could have some fun with imaginary awards…
Trump is an incompetent, conspiracy theory-pushing liar who puts Americans’ lives at risk
We all know Trump is a compulsive liar and gullible audience for baseless conspiracy theories.
But we don’t always get confirmation like Bob Woodward’s taped interviews showing the president blatantly lied to the American people about the transmissibility and deadliness of the coronavirus.
Trump and the GOP’s flirtations with the far-right, anti-Semitic conspiracy theory movement QAnon have emboldened its adherents, who are now causing chaos in the response to the West Coast wildfires.
He’s a bully, a liar, and a gullible dunce. And he makes Americans unsafe.
more….

captain_spalding said:
But what was he a professor of?
I don’t think that was ever adequately explained.
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
But what was he a professor of?
I don’t think that was ever adequately explained.
Hey, he could build a fully functioning TV studio out of bamboo, palm leaves, and coconut shells.
You don’t look that kind of gift horse in the mouth.
captain_spalding said:
LOLz
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
I was asked to suggest an electable alternative to Trump/Biden. I have no idea. Suggestions would be welcome.
Any salamander with four limbs?
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
I was asked to suggest an electable alternative to Trump/Biden. I have no idea. Suggestions would be welcome.Any salamander with four limbs?
Trump: Covid-19 Deaths Are Lower If You Ignore The ‘Blue States’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7FdzdZblY
sarahs mum said:
Trump: Covid-19 Deaths Are Lower If You Ignore The ‘Blue States’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7FdzdZblY
What a cheap grab that is.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump: Covid-19 Deaths Are Lower If You Ignore The ‘Blue States’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7FdzdZblY
What a cheap grab that is.
He said he had contacted the CDC about their statement and he said that they said that they had got it wrong.
Fuck I would be angry if I had my words removed like that. I’m sure there was no phone call at all.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump: Covid-19 Deaths Are Lower If You Ignore The ‘Blue States’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7FdzdZblY
What a cheap grab that is.
But with regard to the forest: When trees fall down, after a short period of time — about 18 months — they become very dry. They become, really, like a matchstick. And they get up — you know, there’s no more water pouring through, and they become very, very — well, they just explode. They can explode.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-air-force-one-arrival-mcclellan-park-ca/
dv said:
But with regard to the forest: When trees fall down, after a short period of time — about 18 months — they become very dry. They become, really, like a matchstick. And they get up — you know, there’s no more water pouring through, and they become very, very — well, they just explode. They can explode.https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-air-force-one-arrival-mcclellan-park-ca/
I saw that LOL
dv said:
But with regard to the forest: When trees fall down, after a short period of time — about 18 months — they become very dry. They become, really, like a matchstick. And they get up — you know, there’s no more water pouring through, and they become very, very — well, they just explode. They can explode.https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-air-force-one-arrival-mcclellan-park-ca/
My forest is always exploding.
No wonder Sci American is disendorsing him. (I can’t believe they are enthralled by Biden.)
Must be a heck of a job managing the WH website now. They have to put accurate transcripts of his comments no matter how batshit.
dv said:
Must be a heck of a job managing the WH website now. They have to put accurate transcripts of his comments no matter how batshit.
That’s a crap job.
dv said:
Must be a heck of a job managing the WH website now. They have to put accurate transcripts of his comments no matter how batshit.
probably get a laugh as they do it so not all bad.
dv said:
But with regard to the forest: When trees fall down, after a short period of time — about 18 months — they become very dry. They become, really, like a matchstick. And they get up — you know, there’s no more water pouring through, and they become very, very — well, they just explode. They can explode.https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-air-force-one-arrival-mcclellan-park-ca/
He’s far beyond the ken of us normal folks. All we can do is gape in stupefied awe.
Has he said this yet?
“OK over 200,000 Americans died on my watch but let’s remember, it was Joe’s watch too. I kept the numbers down as far as was possible but what did Joe do? Nothing except complain.”
Bubblecar said:
Has he said this yet?“OK over 200,000 Americans died on my watch but let’s remember, it was Joe’s watch too. I kept the numbers down as far as was possible but what did Joe do? Nothing except complain.”
It’s always somebody else’s fault.

Bubblecar said:
Has he said this yet?“OK over 200,000 Americans died on my watch but let’s remember, it was Joe’s watch too. I kept the numbers down as far as was possible but what did Joe do? Nothing except complain.”
Donald is trying to pass on the blame to Joe
except Joe isn’t President Donald
Joe doesn’t give himself fictitious awards either.
Joe doesnt lie as much either
Where as Ttrumps lies are now off scale
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
Has he said this yet?“OK over 200,000 Americans died on my watch but let’s remember, it was Joe’s watch too. I kept the numbers down as far as was possible but what did Joe do? Nothing except complain.”
Donald is trying to pass on the blame to Joe
except Joe isn’t President Donald
Joe doesn’t give himself fictitious awards either.
Joe doesnt lie as much either
Where as Ttrumps lies are now off scale
I’m glad you didn’t say that Joe doesn’t lie, because that would have been untruthful :)
Ladies and gentlemen…
I give you…
the President of the United States!
(2004)
https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a0NErgL_460svav1.mp4
captain_spalding said:
I give you…
the President of the United States!
I hope you kept the receipt
dv said:
captain_spalding said:I give you…
the President of the United States!
I hope you kept the receipt
I kept the bones as well.
US sending armored vehicles into Syria as Trump says ‘we are out’
By Ryan Browne and Barbara Starr, CNN
Updated 2142 GMT (0542 HKT) September 18, 2020
Bradley Fighting Vehicles are shown arriving in northeast Syria. Posted on the International Coalition for Operation Inherent Resolve’s Twitter account.
Washington (CNN)The US military announced Friday that it is deploying armored vehicles and other military assets to Syria to protect US troops fighting ISIS amid tensions with Russia as President Donald Trump told a White House news conference that “we are out of Syria,” saying the remaining US forces are there exclusively “guarding the oil.”
The US-led coalition fighting ISIS “plans to position mechanized infantry units, including Bradley Fighting Vehicles, to Syria to ensure the protection of Coalition forces and preserve their freedom of movement so they may continue Defeat Daesh operations safely,” Col. Wayne Marotto, a spokesman for the coalition, said in a statement, using an Arabic name for the terror group.
This is not the first time the US has deployed Bradley Fighting Vehicles to Syria. They were last sent in October 2019 but have been absent from the country for nearly a year.
On Friday, Trump seemed to send a different message about US priorities in Syria when he told reporters at the White House, “We are out of Syria other than we kept the oil. I kept the oil. We have troops guarding the oil. Other than that we are out of Syria.”
Despite what Trump says, US military leaders say American troops are in the country to work with the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces to help combat the remnants of ISIS and deny the terror group from profiting off of Syria’s oil reserves.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/us-armored-vehicles-syria/index.html
dv said:
US sending armored vehicles into Syria as Trump says ‘we are out’By Ryan Browne and Barbara Starr, CNN
Updated 2142 GMT (0542 HKT) September 18, 2020
Bradley Fighting Vehicles are shown arriving in northeast Syria. Posted on the International Coalition for Operation Inherent Resolve’s Twitter account.
Washington (CNN)The US military announced Friday that it is deploying armored vehicles and other military assets to Syria to protect US troops fighting ISIS amid tensions with Russia as President Donald Trump told a White House news conference that “we are out of Syria,” saying the remaining US forces are there exclusively “guarding the oil.”
The US-led coalition fighting ISIS “plans to position mechanized infantry units, including Bradley Fighting Vehicles, to Syria to ensure the protection of Coalition forces and preserve their freedom of movement so they may continue Defeat Daesh operations safely,” Col. Wayne Marotto, a spokesman for the coalition, said in a statement, using an Arabic name for the terror group.
This is not the first time the US has deployed Bradley Fighting Vehicles to Syria. They were last sent in October 2019 but have been absent from the country for nearly a year.
On Friday, Trump seemed to send a different message about US priorities in Syria when he told reporters at the White House, “We are out of Syria other than we kept the oil. I kept the oil. We have troops guarding the oil. Other than that we are out of Syria.”
Despite what Trump says, US military leaders say American troops are in the country to work with the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces to help combat the remnants of ISIS and deny the terror group from profiting off of Syria’s oil reserves.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/us-armored-vehicles-syria/index.html
Guarding the oil.
Very important!

All she saw to her right was a blank, empty space.
captain_spalding said:
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All she saw to her right was a blank, empty space.
She won’t be on his xmas card list.
captain_spalding said:
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All she saw to her right was a blank, empty space.
Who is it?
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
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All she saw to her right was a blank, empty space.
She won’t be on his xmas card list.
Obviously that won’t cause her any concern at all.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
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All she saw to her right was a blank, empty space.
Who is it?
Dunno.
The look on Trump’s face is priceless.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
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All she saw to her right was a blank, empty space.
Who is it?
Dunno, but she’s everbody’s hero.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
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All she saw to her right was a blank, empty space.
Who is it?
Dunno, but she’s everbody’s hero.
It’s Melania’s Polish counterpart, Agata Kornhauser-Duda.
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Who is it?
Dunno, but she’s everbody’s hero.
It’s Melania’s Polish counterpart, Agata Kornhauser-Duda.
Ta.
It seems to be from 2017.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uw6VKpbqp0&list=LLeaAcjLBJLjpEvIL0mq7fdA&index=219
The lost child in spiderman pyjamas found. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-20/police-tell-of-mothers-joy-after-three-year-old-boy-found/12682448
buffy said:
It seems to be from 2017.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uw6VKpbqp0&list=LLeaAcjLBJLjpEvIL0mq7fdA&index=219
Didn’t know that.
I’m sure she’d do the same today.
“You look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries. They live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities. So many of them. And they don’t have fires like this. And they have more explosive trees.”
Donald Trump during a phone call to Fox News
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/internet/op-ed-trump-austrians-live-in-forest-cities-with-explosive-trees/article/578167#ixzz6YXYsWTWk
dv said:
“You look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries. They live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities. So many of them. And they don’t have fires like this. And they have more explosive trees.”Donald Trump during a phone call to Fox News
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/internet/op-ed-trump-austrians-live-in-forest-cities-with-explosive-trees/article/578167#ixzz6YXYsWTWk
He’s so stupid.
I know what explosive trees is all about. But he doesn’t.
dv said:
“You look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries. They live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities. So many of them. And they don’t have fires like this. And they have more explosive trees.”Donald Trump during a phone call to Fox News
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/internet/op-ed-trump-austrians-live-in-forest-cities-with-explosive-trees/article/578167#ixzz6YXYsWTWk
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
“You look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries. They live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities. So many of them. And they don’t have fires like this. And they have more explosive trees.”Donald Trump during a phone call to Fox News
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/internet/op-ed-trump-austrians-live-in-forest-cities-with-explosive-trees/article/578167#ixzz6YXYsWTWk
He’s so stupid.
I know what explosive trees is all about. But he doesn’t.
No idea is what he has.
dv said:
“You look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries. They live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities. So many of them. And they don’t have fires like this. And they have more explosive trees.”Donald Trump during a phone call to Fox News
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/internet/op-ed-trump-austrians-live-in-forest-cities-with-explosive-trees/article/578167#ixzz6YXYsWTWk
He’s right.
It’s a little known fact that, during WW2, the Luftwaffe would send logging parties into the Austrian forest, and they’d haul out logs which the cut to size and then loaded them straight into the bomb cells on Heinkels.
Next thing you know, those logs are descending over London, Portsmouth, Coventry, etc.with devastating results.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
“You look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries. They live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities. So many of them. And they don’t have fires like this. And they have more explosive trees.”Donald Trump during a phone call to Fox News
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/internet/op-ed-trump-austrians-live-in-forest-cities-with-explosive-trees/article/578167#ixzz6YXYsWTWk
He’s so stupid.
I know what explosive trees is all about. But he doesn’t.
No idea is what he has.
still.. no one watching/ listening to FOX news will notice.
Tamb said:
dv said:
“You look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries. They live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities. So many of them. And they don’t have fires like this. And they have more explosive trees.”Donald Trump during a phone call to Fox News
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/internet/op-ed-trump-austrians-live-in-forest-cities-with-explosive-trees/article/578167#ixzz6YXYsWTWk
Prolly confused it with Australia…………………. Again.
Everyone has joined the #RakeAmericaGreatAgain movement
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:He’s so stupid.
I know what explosive trees is all about. But he doesn’t.
No idea is what he has.
still.. no one watching/ listening to FOX news will notice.
I’m more than a little disturbed about how much of that FOX influence we have here in Australia.
roughbarked said:
I’m more than a little disturbed about how much of that FOX influence we have here in Australia.
It should become part of the language.
When someone is talking utter twaddle, bullshit, and codswallop, the response should be ‘no, mate, that’s totally FOXed’.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:No idea is what he has.
still.. no one watching/ listening to FOX news will notice.
I’m more than a little disturbed about how much of that FOX influence we have here in Australia.
Oh. So am I.
And this.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2020/09/18/queensland-police-service-responds-officer-wearing-right-wing-extremist-patch-blm
I’ll put that link in chat too.
dv said:
“You look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries. They live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities. So many of them. And they don’t have fires like this. And they have more explosive trees.”Donald Trump during a phone call to Fox News
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/internet/op-ed-trump-austrians-live-in-forest-cities-with-explosive-trees/article/578167#ixzz6YXYsWTWk
Well there’s his appeal right there, he’s not interested in fawning to the self appointed so called intellectual elites.
He speaks of pussy, he speaks of explosions, he speaks to the punters.
His speeches are a fanfare to the common man.
Tamb said:
dv said:
“You look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries. They live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities. So many of them. And they don’t have fires like this. And they have more explosive trees.”Donald Trump during a phone call to Fox News
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/internet/op-ed-trump-austrians-live-in-forest-cities-with-explosive-trees/article/578167#ixzz6YXYsWTWk
Prolly confused it with Australia…………………. Again.
But we have similar problems with wild fires and explosive trees. You don’t want to be taking bushfire management tips from us.
party_pants said:
Tamb said:
dv said:
“You look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries. They live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities. So many of them. And they don’t have fires like this. And they have more explosive trees.”Donald Trump during a phone call to Fox News
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/internet/op-ed-trump-austrians-live-in-forest-cities-with-explosive-trees/article/578167#ixzz6YXYsWTWk
Prolly confused it with Australia…………………. Again.But we have similar problems with wild fires and explosive trees. You don’t want to be taking bushfire management tips from us.
I was amazed at how many eucalypts are everywhere in California. And it is weird because gum trees sometimes grow together that never grow together in Aus.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Tamb said:Prolly confused it with Australia…………………. Again.
But we have similar problems with wild fires and explosive trees. You don’t want to be taking bushfire management tips from us.
I was amazed at how many eucalypts are everywhere in California. And it is weird because gum trees sometimes grow together that never grow together in Aus.
It’s like our invasive species pest that we exported to the rest of the world.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:But we have similar problems with wild fires and explosive trees. You don’t want to be taking bushfire management tips from us.
I was amazed at how many eucalypts are everywhere in California. And it is weird because gum trees sometimes grow together that never grow together in Aus.
It’s like our invasive species pest that we exported to the rest of the world.
I get that they need shade but they also need water in aquifers.
It’s the wrong group of trees.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Tamb said:Prolly confused it with Australia…………………. Again.
But we have similar problems with wild fires and explosive trees. You don’t want to be taking bushfire management tips from us.
I was amazed at how many eucalypts are everywhere in California. And it is weird because gum trees sometimes grow together that never grow together in Aus.
The difference is, they evolved here. Over there they went wild because Eucalypt seed responds to little other than a flood.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
“You look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries. They live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities. So many of them. And they don’t have fires like this. And they have more explosive trees.”Donald Trump during a phone call to Fox News
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/internet/op-ed-trump-austrians-live-in-forest-cities-with-explosive-trees/article/578167#ixzz6YXYsWTWk
He’s so stupid.
I know what explosive trees is all about. But he doesn’t.
Also… is it just possible he meant Australia?
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:But we have similar problems with wild fires and explosive trees. You don’t want to be taking bushfire management tips from us.
I was amazed at how many eucalypts are everywhere in California. And it is weird because gum trees sometimes grow together that never grow together in Aus.
It’s like our invasive species pest that we exported to the rest of the world.
and more than one. Melaleuca and Casuarina in Florida.
but there were good sides like our ladybirds for their citrus.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:I was amazed at how many eucalypts are everywhere in California. And it is weird because gum trees sometimes grow together that never grow together in Aus.
It’s like our invasive species pest that we exported to the rest of the world.
I get that they need shade but they also need water in aquifers.
It’s the wrong group of trees.
They grow fast and sappy over there. No good for timber at all.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
“You look at countries, Austria, you look at so many countries. They live in the forest, they’re considered forest cities. So many of them. And they don’t have fires like this. And they have more explosive trees.”Donald Trump during a phone call to Fox News
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/internet/op-ed-trump-austrians-live-in-forest-cities-with-explosive-trees/article/578167#ixzz6YXYsWTWk
He’s so stupid.
I know what explosive trees is all about. But he doesn’t.
Also… is it just possible he meant Australia?
Highly likely. He probably has seen images of people raking up as well.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:I was amazed at how many eucalypts are everywhere in California. And it is weird because gum trees sometimes grow together that never grow together in Aus.
It’s like our invasive species pest that we exported to the rest of the world.
and more than one. Melaleuca and Casuarina in Florida.
but there were good sides like our ladybirds for their citrus.
Macadamia, Hawaii.

captain_spalding said:
PMSL
Just had noodles for lunch.
Mi Goring, German I think but with instructions in English/French and made in Indonesis.
Anyway it had a bazillion satchels in it which you had to mix separately, some of the satchels were liquid, possibly novochoc. They said to mix the satchels to taste but I just mixed them all together.
It was nice but a bit ummm……..a bit hot.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:He’s so stupid.
I know what explosive trees is all about. But he doesn’t.
Also… is it just possible he meant Australia?
Highly likely. He probably has seen images of people raking up as well.
Do we have any forest cities?
Neophyte said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Also… is it just possible he meant Australia?
Highly likely. He probably has seen images of people raking up as well.
Do we have any forest cities?
Compared with the typical city with 5 million+ population, both Sydney and Melbourne have a lot of forest within the city boundaries.
Especially Sydney.
Neophyte said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Also… is it just possible he meant Australia?
Highly likely. He probably has seen images of people raking up as well.
Do we have any forest cities?
Canberra is called the bush capital…
Neophyte said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Also… is it just possible he meant Australia?
Highly likely. He probably has seen images of people raking up as well.
Do we have any forest cities?
Kambalda?
Genoa?
captain_spalding said:
LOL
“Samantha Cohen, the daughter of former Trump fixer Michael Cohen, talked with CNN’s Alisyn Camerota about “creepy” comments President Donald Trump made about her when she was just 15 years old.
During a CNN interview, Camerota read an excerpt from a recent Vanity Fair profile of Michael Cohen in which he described Trump whistling at his then-15-year-old daughter and calling her a “piece of ass.””
The Damage Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxwzHNaLFvw
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-protest-lafayette-square/2020/09/16/ca0174e4-f788-11ea-89e3-4b9efa36dc64_story.html
Federal officials stockpiled munitions, sought ‘heat ray’ device before clearing Lafayette Square
Hours before law enforcement forcibly cleared protesters from Lafayette Square in early June amid protests over the police killing of George Floyd, federal officials began to stockpile ammunition and seek devices that could emit deafening sounds and make anyone within range feel as if their skin was on fire, according to an Army National Guard major who was there.
D.C. National Guard Maj. Adam D. DeMarco told lawmakers that defense officials were searching for crowd-control technology deemed too unpredictable to use in war zones and had authorized the transfer of about 7,000 rounds of ammunition to the D.C. Armory as protests against police use of force and racial injustice roiled Washington.
In sworn testimony, shared this week with The Washington Post, DeMarco provided his account as part of an ongoing investigation into law enforcement and military officers’ use of force against D.C. protesters.
dv said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-protest-lafayette-square/2020/09/16/ca0174e4-f788-11ea-89e3-4b9efa36dc64_story.htmlFederal officials stockpiled munitions, sought ‘heat ray’ device before clearing Lafayette Square
Hours before law enforcement forcibly cleared protesters from Lafayette Square in early June amid protests over the police killing of George Floyd, federal officials began to stockpile ammunition and seek devices that could emit deafening sounds and make anyone within range feel as if their skin was on fire, according to an Army National Guard major who was there.
D.C. National Guard Maj. Adam D. DeMarco told lawmakers that defense officials were searching for crowd-control technology deemed too unpredictable to use in war zones and had authorized the transfer of about 7,000 rounds of ammunition to the D.C. Armory as protests against police use of force and racial injustice roiled Washington.
In sworn testimony, shared this week with The Washington Post, DeMarco provided his account as part of an ongoing investigation into law enforcement and military officers’ use of force against D.C. protesters.
should we commend them on their perceived shift to less-lethal methods
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-protest-lafayette-square/2020/09/16/ca0174e4-f788-11ea-89e3-4b9efa36dc64_story.htmlFederal officials stockpiled munitions, sought ‘heat ray’ device before clearing Lafayette Square
Hours before law enforcement forcibly cleared protesters from Lafayette Square in early June amid protests over the police killing of George Floyd, federal officials began to stockpile ammunition and seek devices that could emit deafening sounds and make anyone within range feel as if their skin was on fire, according to an Army National Guard major who was there.
D.C. National Guard Maj. Adam D. DeMarco told lawmakers that defense officials were searching for crowd-control technology deemed too unpredictable to use in war zones and had authorized the transfer of about 7,000 rounds of ammunition to the D.C. Armory as protests against police use of force and racial injustice roiled Washington.
In sworn testimony, shared this week with The Washington Post, DeMarco provided his account as part of an ongoing investigation into law enforcement and military officers’ use of force against D.C. protesters.
should we commend them on their perceived shift to less-lethal methods
“I heard this unbearable sound coming from the front of the church. It was like my brain was melting.”
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-protest-lafayette-square/2020/09/16/ca0174e4-f788-11ea-89e3-4b9efa36dc64_story.htmlFederal officials stockpiled munitions, sought ‘heat ray’ device before clearing Lafayette Square
Hours before law enforcement forcibly cleared protesters from Lafayette Square in early June amid protests over the police killing of George Floyd, federal officials began to stockpile ammunition and seek devices that could emit deafening sounds and make anyone within range feel as if their skin was on fire, according to an Army National Guard major who was there.
D.C. National Guard Maj. Adam D. DeMarco told lawmakers that defense officials were searching for crowd-control technology deemed too unpredictable to use in war zones and had authorized the transfer of about 7,000 rounds of ammunition to the D.C. Armory as protests against police use of force and racial injustice roiled Washington.
In sworn testimony, shared this week with The Washington Post, DeMarco provided his account as part of an ongoing investigation into law enforcement and military officers’ use of force against D.C. protesters.
should we commend them on their perceived shift to less-lethal methods
“I heard this unbearable sound coming from the front of the church. It was like my brain was melting.”
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-protest-lafayette-square/2020/09/16/ca0174e4-f788-11ea-89e3-4b9efa36dc64_story.htmlFederal officials stockpiled munitions, sought ‘heat ray’ device before clearing Lafayette Square
Hours before law enforcement forcibly cleared protesters from Lafayette Square in early June amid protests over the police killing of George Floyd, federal officials began to stockpile ammunition and seek devices that could emit deafening sounds and make anyone within range feel as if their skin was on fire, according to an Army National Guard major who was there.
D.C. National Guard Maj. Adam D. DeMarco told lawmakers that defense officials were searching for crowd-control technology deemed too unpredictable to use in war zones and had authorized the transfer of about 7,000 rounds of ammunition to the D.C. Armory as protests against police use of force and racial injustice roiled Washington.
In sworn testimony, shared this week with The Washington Post, DeMarco provided his account as part of an ongoing investigation into law enforcement and military officers’ use of force against D.C. protesters.
should we commend them on their perceived shift to less-lethal methods
“I heard this unbearable sound coming from the front of the church. It was like my brain was melting.”
:(

Zing!

captain_spalding said:
Might need a sniper.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, having a very hard time avoiding laughing out loud at the Very Stable Genius:
https://i.imgur.com/MLtfu0K.mp4

“You have good genes, you know that right?” Trump said to the nearly all-white crowd. “A lot of it is about the genes, isn’t it? Don’t you believe? The racehorse theory,” Trump said. “You think we’re so different? You have good genes in Minnesota.”
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-white-supremacy-racehorse-theory-1064928/
>>Despite reporting hundreds of millions of dollars in income, US President Donald Trump effectively erased his tax bill by reporting heavy losses<<
I don’t think much of his business acumen then.
From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-28/trump-paid-just-24750-in-us-income-taxes-in-20162c-2017/12709418
Brad Parscale, former Trump campaign manager, hospitalised after self-harm threats
Police called to Fort Lauderdale home said Parscale, who had access to firearms, accompanied officers willingly
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/28/former-trump-campaign-manager-brad-parscale-hospitalised-after-threats-to-harm-himself
The Times reports that within the next four years, more than $300 million in loans — for which Trump is personally responsible — will come due. That opens the extraordinary possibility that the lenders could be called upon to decide whether to foreclose on businesses owned by the US President while he is in office if he is unable to pay the money back. Trump is therefore in danger of becoming deeply compromised.
His personal debts also underscore a long-time fear about his administration — that he is managing US diplomacy in order to prioritize his own personal and financial goals rather than the wider national interests. Trump, for instance, derives millions of dollars in income from countries like Turkey and the Philippines that are led by autocrats whom he has praised but who infringe traditional US values like human rights. And while he has paid little federal tax to the Treasury, the President or his companies have paid more in taxes to foreign powers, including $145,400 to India and $156,824 to the Philippines in 2017.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/28/politics/donald-trump-taxes-election-2020-joe-biden-debate/index.html
BUMP
The original and the best…and I like spreading confusion.
sibeen said:
BUMPThe original and the best…and I like spreading confusion.
Surely you should have said Brump to rhyme with..
During his first general election debate against Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016, Ms Clinton said perhaps Mr Trump was not releasing his tax returns because he had paid nothing in federal taxes.
Mr Trump interrupted her and said: “That makes me smart.”
roughbarked said:
During his first general election debate against Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016, Ms Clinton said perhaps Mr Trump was not releasing his tax returns because he had paid nothing in federal taxes.Mr Trump interrupted her and said: “That makes me smart.”
Trump’s tax situation means that he either (a) lied to the IRS, overstating his losses to avoid paying taxes, or (b) really is such an inept businessman that he did lose all that money, and can’t run an organisation.
Either way, should he really be President?
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
During his first general election debate against Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016, Ms Clinton said perhaps Mr Trump was not releasing his tax returns because he had paid nothing in federal taxes.Mr Trump interrupted her and said: “That makes me smart.”
Trump’s tax situation means that he either (a) lied to the IRS, overstating his losses to avoid paying taxes, or (b) really is such an inept businessman that he did lose all that money, and can’t run an organisation.
Either way, should he really be President?
Answer is clearly, No.

captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
During his first general election debate against Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016, Ms Clinton said perhaps Mr Trump was not releasing his tax returns because he had paid nothing in federal taxes.Mr Trump interrupted her and said: “That makes me smart.”
Trump’s tax situation means that he either (a) lied to the IRS, overstating his losses to avoid paying taxes, or (b) really is such an inept businessman that he did lose all that money, and can’t run an organisation.
Either way, should he really be President?
To be fair, it seems he just ships his profits to some country where the business tax rates are lower, just like most other big companies.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
During his first general election debate against Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016, Ms Clinton said perhaps Mr Trump was not releasing his tax returns because he had paid nothing in federal taxes.Mr Trump interrupted her and said: “That makes me smart.”
Trump’s tax situation means that he either (a) lied to the IRS, overstating his losses to avoid paying taxes, or (b) really is such an inept businessman that he did lose all that money, and can’t run an organisation.
Either way, should he really be President?
I’d be content for an inept businessman to be a political leader if they showed skills in that area.
captain_spalding said:
Cute. But is it evasion (illegal), avoidance (legal) or avoision (borderline)? I bet it’s avoision.
Whatever you say about Rump, and who doesn’t, one thing he’s never been called is Tinpot.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
During his first general election debate against Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016, Ms Clinton said perhaps Mr Trump was not releasing his tax returns because he had paid nothing in federal taxes.Mr Trump interrupted her and said: “That makes me smart.”
Trump’s tax situation means that he either (a) lied to the IRS, overstating his losses to avoid paying taxes, or (b) really is such an inept businessman that he did lose all that money, and can’t run an organisation.
Either way, should he really be President?
I’d be content for an inept businessman to be a political leader if they showed skills in that area.
In role like the US President, where he wields a great deal of discretionary executive power, i’d like to see someone who can demonstrate that they’re capable of making decisions with good outcomes.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:Trump’s tax situation means that he either (a) lied to the IRS, overstating his losses to avoid paying taxes, or (b) really is such an inept businessman that he did lose all that money, and can’t run an organisation.
Either way, should he really be President?
I’d be content for an inept businessman to be a political leader if they showed skills in that area.
In role like the US President, where he wields a great deal of discretionary executive power, i’d like to see someone who can demonstrate that they’re capable of making decisions with good outcomes.
Tim Anderson is the managing director of New York-based TJM Investments.
He agrees there’s an enormous amount riding on the outcome of the election because Republicans and Democrats are promising to take the world’s biggest economy in opposite directions.
“It’s a monumental risk event,” he says.
captain_spalding said:
:)

mollwollfumble said:
captain_spalding said:
Cute. But is it evasion (illegal), avoidance (legal) or avoision (borderline)? I bet it’s avoision.
Whatever you say about Rump, and who doesn’t, one thing he’s never been called is Tinpot.
Because tin is actually of some value.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:Trump’s tax situation means that he either (a) lied to the IRS, overstating his losses to avoid paying taxes, or (b) really is such an inept businessman that he did lose all that money, and can’t run an organisation.
Either way, should he really be President?
I’d be content for an inept businessman to be a political leader if they showed skills in that area.
In role like the US President, where he wields a great deal of discretionary executive power, i’d like to see someone who can demonstrate that they’re capable of making decisions with good outcomes.
what we’re sayin’ is, we don’t care if the government can be accused of “not as good at managing the economy as we are and delivering surplus no matter the cost” if they actually do some good in the process
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:I’d be content for an inept businessman to be a political leader if they showed skills in that area.
In role like the US President, where he wields a great deal of discretionary executive power, i’d like to see someone who can demonstrate that they’re capable of making decisions with good outcomes.
what we’re sayin’ is, we don’t care if the government can be accused of “not as good at managing the economy as we are and delivering surplus no matter the cost” if they actually do some good in the process
OK, go along with that, no problem.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:I’d be content for an inept businessman to be a political leader if they showed skills in that area.
In role like the US President, where he wields a great deal of discretionary executive power, i’d like to see someone who can demonstrate that they’re capable of making decisions with good outcomes.
what we’re sayin’ is, we don’t care if the government can be accused of “not as good at managing the economy as we are and delivering surplus no matter the cost” if they actually do some good in the process
I mean you do have to be a bit of a fuckup to blow through a 400 million dollar inheritance.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:In role like the US President, where he wields a great deal of discretionary executive power, i’d like to see someone who can demonstrate that they’re capable of making decisions with good outcomes.
what we’re sayin’ is, we don’t care if the government can be accused of “not as good at managing the economy as we are and delivering surplus no matter the cost” if they actually do some good in the process
I mean you do have to be a bit of a fuckup to blow through a 400 million dollar inheritance.
we thought they sent that one to the Great Barrier Reef Foundation
but yes
whatcha think is going on here DV?
Police Tackle Trump Campaign’s Brad Parscale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PglYbeSVhic
It might be just too much drugs and booze.
sarahs mum said:
whatcha think is going on here DV?Police Tackle Trump Campaign’s Brad Parscale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PglYbeSVhicIt might be just too much drugs and booze.
Well all we know for a fact is that he is a substance-abuser who mistreats his wife so he’s certainly on-brand for a Trump campaign manager.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
whatcha think is going on here DV?Police Tackle Trump Campaign’s Brad Parscale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PglYbeSVhicIt might be just too much drugs and booze.
Well all we know for a fact is that he is a substance-abuser who mistreats his wife so he’s certainly on-brand for a Trump campaign manager.
But there is a chance that he needs an out for being thrown in front of the bus.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/07/politics/trump-tax-returns-subpoena-ruling/index.html
New York (CNN)The Manhattan district attorney can obtain President Donald Trump’s tax returns a federal appeals court ruled, dealing the president another setback in his effort to shield his tax returns from prosecutors but the case is heading to the Supreme Court in a further delay of the investigation.
In a 35-page opinion, the US Second Circuit Court of Appeals broadly rejected the President’s arguments that the state grand jury subpoena to his long-time accounting firm for his financial and tax records was overly broad and issued in bad faith.
“There is nothing to suggest that these are anything but run-of-the-mill documents typically relevant to a grand jury investigation into possible financial or corporate misconduct,” the judges ruled.
“We have considered all of the President’s remaining contentions on appeal and have found in them no basis for reversal,” the ruling said. The panel of three judges dismissed the president’s lawsuit with prejudice, which means he cannot revive it on these grounds.
Trump’s lawyers argued the district attorney’s investigation was limited to hush-money payments Michael Cohen made to cover up Trump’s alleged affairs and that the subpoena, which seeks personal and business records dating back to January 2011, was too broad. Trump’s attorneys argued the district attorney’s investigation was limited based on an earlier subpoena it sent to the Trump Organization that only referenced the hush money payments.
The appeals court rejected Trump’s argument saying it was “nothing more than implausible speculation.”
“It is far from reasonable to infer that a single subpoena would define the entire scope of a grand jury’s investigation, particularly in complex financial investigations,” the judges wrote.
In court filings, the district attorney’s office said the investigation was much broader than those payments and suggested it could encompass tax fraud, bank fraud and insurance fraud.
In anticipation that the appeals court would reject the President’s legal arguments, lawyers for both sides agreed to hold off on enforcing the subpoena to allow the President’s lawyers to ask the Supreme Court to “stay” the ruling.
Under the agreement, which the appeals court endorsed, the President’s lawyers have five calendar days to file a motion with the Supreme Court seeking a stay of subpoena. The district attorney would have five days to file a reply brief and the President’s lawyers would have two days to respond.
Just discovered the “djvu” file, that needs it’s own special viewer.
How long have they been around?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just discovered the “djvu” file, that needs it’s own special viewer.How long have they been around?
I had to look it up. I’d never heard of it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just discovered the “djvu” file, that needs it’s own special viewer.How long have they been around?
I think you can convert them to PDF.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just discovered the “djvu” file, that needs it’s own special viewer.How long have they been around?
I think you can convert them to PDF.
Yep

https://god.dailydot.com/trump-regeneron-tissue/
sarahs mum said:
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https://god.dailydot.com/trump-regeneron-tissue/
Do those people know what fetal tissue is?
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
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https://god.dailydot.com/trump-regeneron-tissue/
Do those people know what fetal tissue is?
if only it was fatal tissue
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/10/18/politics/food-stamps-trump-administration-work-requirements/index.html
A federal judge Sunday struck down a Trump administration rule that could have stripped food stamps from nearly 700,000 people, saying the US Department of Agriculture has been “icily silent” about how many Americans would have been denied benefits had the changes been in effect during the pandemic.
“The final rule at issue in this litigation radically and abruptly alters decades of regulatory practice, leaving states scrambling and exponentially increasing food insecurity for tens of thousands of Americans,” Chief Judge Beryl Howell of the US District Court in Washington, DC, wrote in a 67-page ruling, saying the agency has not adequately explained how the rule comports with federal statutes nor how it “makes sense.”
Some people think they’ve Richard Hurndalled Melania Trump
I don’t get the Richard Hurndall ref but fake Melania is one of my favourite conspiracies.
Divine Angel said:
I don’t get the Richard Hurndall ref but fake Melania is one of my favourite conspiracies.
played william hartnell
“We’re not going to be a socialist nation. We’re not going to have a socialist president, especially a female socialist president,” Trump said. “We’re not going to have it. We’re not going to put up with it.”
—-
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/522563-trump-knocks-idea-of-a-female-socialist-president
Playing the hits
Divine Angel said:
I don’t get the Richard Hurndall ref but fake Melania is one of my favourite conspiracies.

Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:
I don’t get the Richard Hurndall ref but fake Melania is one of my favourite conspiracies.
Have all the gold makeup removed and lets see.
https://youtu.be/FkGK7bitav0
ERBOH: Trump v Biden

captain_spalding said:
Shuddup Sacha. Don’t jinx it!
Before our internet and phones went down, I watched a talk from Gary Bakker, a clinical psychologist. It was his take on Donald Trump.
Here is what I noted down.
He doesn’t use DSM. He was applying “The Dark Triad”:
Narcissism – Trump has this (blabs)
Psycopathy – Trump has this (antisocial)
Macchiavelianism – Trump does not have this.
He is not insane.
He has no insight (Theory of Mind) so has no brake or filter
He is not smart – he is Dunning Kruger – he thinks he is brilliant.
“The Test” that Trump talks about was not an IQ test, as he seems to believe, but was the Montreal Cognitive Assessment Pre-Test, which is used to assess if further testing is required for dementia or brain damage. If I got the numbers right, about 10% of people who do have brain injury or dementia get 100% on this pre-test anyway.
Gary Bakker assesses Trump’s vocabulary at about that of a 14 year old and a guess on his IQ at 105. He guesses Obama at 145.
You can tell when Trump stops reading the teleprompter because his vocab drops suddenly.
He does not have enough abstract and conceptual ability to be racist. He only sees power and money.
buffy said:
Before our internet and phones went down, I watched a talk from Gary Bakker, a clinical psychologist. It was his take on Donald Trump.Here is what I noted down.
He doesn’t use DSM. He was applying “The Dark Triad”:
Narcissism – Trump has this (blabs)
Psycopathy – Trump has this (antisocial)
Macchiavelianism – Trump does not have this.He is not insane.
He has no insight (Theory of Mind) so has no brake or filter
He is not smart – he is Dunning Kruger – he thinks he is brilliant.
“The Test” that Trump talks about was not an IQ test, as he seems to believe, but was the Montreal Cognitive Assessment Pre-Test, which is used to assess if further testing is required for dementia or brain damage. If I got the numbers right, about 10% of people who do have brain injury or dementia get 100% on this pre-test anyway.Gary Bakker assesses Trump’s vocabulary at about that of a 14 year old and a guess on his IQ at 105. He guesses Obama at 145.
You can tell when Trump stops reading the teleprompter because his vocab drops suddenly.
He does not have enough abstract and conceptual ability to be racist. He only sees power and money.
That’s not a very complimentary assessment.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
Before our internet and phones went down, I watched a talk from Gary Bakker, a clinical psychologist. It was his take on Donald Trump.Here is what I noted down.
He doesn’t use DSM. He was applying “The Dark Triad”:
Narcissism – Trump has this (blabs)
Psycopathy – Trump has this (antisocial)
Macchiavelianism – Trump does not have this.He is not insane.
He has no insight (Theory of Mind) so has no brake or filter
He is not smart – he is Dunning Kruger – he thinks he is brilliant.
“The Test” that Trump talks about was not an IQ test, as he seems to believe, but was the Montreal Cognitive Assessment Pre-Test, which is used to assess if further testing is required for dementia or brain damage. If I got the numbers right, about 10% of people who do have brain injury or dementia get 100% on this pre-test anyway.Gary Bakker assesses Trump’s vocabulary at about that of a 14 year old and a guess on his IQ at 105. He guesses Obama at 145.
You can tell when Trump stops reading the teleprompter because his vocab drops suddenly.
He does not have enough abstract and conceptual ability to be racist. He only sees power and money.
That’s not a very complimentary assessment.
Trust me, he was being kind…
:)
party_pants said:
buffy said:
Before our internet and phones went down, I watched a talk from Gary Bakker, a clinical psychologist. It was his take on Donald Trump.Here is what I noted down.
He doesn’t use DSM. He was applying “The Dark Triad”:
Narcissism – Trump has this (blabs)
Psycopathy – Trump has this (antisocial)
Macchiavelianism – Trump does not have this.He is not insane.
He has no insight (Theory of Mind) so has no brake or filter
He is not smart – he is Dunning Kruger – he thinks he is brilliant.
“The Test” that Trump talks about was not an IQ test, as he seems to believe, but was the Montreal Cognitive Assessment Pre-Test, which is used to assess if further testing is required for dementia or brain damage. If I got the numbers right, about 10% of people who do have brain injury or dementia get 100% on this pre-test anyway.Gary Bakker assesses Trump’s vocabulary at about that of a 14 year old and a guess on his IQ at 105. He guesses Obama at 145.
You can tell when Trump stops reading the teleprompter because his vocab drops suddenly.
He does not have enough abstract and conceptual ability to be racist. He only sees power and money.
That’s not a very complimentary assessment.
Sounds reasonably accurate though.
dv said:
Some people think they’ve Richard Hurndalled Melania Trump
Assuming Trump does lose, I wonder if he’ll apply for asylum in Russia. It may be his only way to stay out of jail.
Bubblecar said:
Assuming Trump does lose, I wonder if he’ll apply for asylum in Russia. It may be his only way to stay out of jail.
Chuck a Skase?
Divine Angel said:
Bubblecar said:
Assuming Trump does lose, I wonder if he’ll apply for asylum in Russia. It may be his only way to stay out of jail.
Chuck a Skase?
He could find some excuse for a last minute state visit to some shithole country with no extradition treaty, and not come back.
it’s a big ass’
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:
Bubblecar said:
Assuming Trump does lose, I wonder if he’ll apply for asylum in Russia. It may be his only way to stay out of jail.
Chuck a Skase?
He could find some excuse for a last minute state visit to some shithole country with no extradition treaty, and not come back.
Thing is, as Prez, he gets the full Secret Service guard – would they stand back and let him attempt to flee the country?
Maybe Melania is still feeling ill because of the Covids, and they had to get a stunt double.
Neophyte said:
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:Chuck a Skase?
He could find some excuse for a last minute state visit to some shithole country with no extradition treaty, and not come back.
Thing is, as Prez, he gets the full Secret Service guard – would they stand back and let him attempt to flee the country?
Presumably they’re expected to follow his orders.
party_pants said:
Maybe Melania is still feeling ill because of the Covids, and they had to get a stunt double.
Maybe she has to spend time in her birth country to avoid paying US taxes.
The fake Melania conspiracy has been going on long before covids.
Bubblecar said:
Neophyte said:
Bubblecar said:He could find some excuse for a last minute state visit to some shithole country with no extradition treaty, and not come back.
Thing is, as Prez, he gets the full Secret Service guard – would they stand back and let him attempt to flee the country?
Presumably they’re expected to follow his orders.
The Secret Service guys would probably be ‘eliminated’, using pistols with the kind of ‘silencers’ that exist only in the movies, just like happens in that kind of movie.
The trouble with fleeing to a half-arsed and corruption-ridden country that’s willing to sell you ‘asylum’ is that it’s a half-arsed and corruption-ridden country.
If they’re willing to ‘protect’ you for a given price, then they’re just as likely to be willing to hand your arse over for a rather better offer.
Pocket your money for the ‘protection’ deal, pocket their money for the sell-out. Win/win, HA&CR country viewpoint.
captain_spalding said:
The trouble with fleeing to a half-arsed and corruption-ridden country that’s willing to sell you ‘asylum’ is that it’s a half-arsed and corruption-ridden country.If they’re willing to ‘protect’ you for a given price, then they’re just as likely to be willing to hand your arse over for a rather better offer.
Pocket your money for the ‘protection’ deal, pocket their money for the sell-out. Win/win, HA&CR country viewpoint.
isn’t that what all their green card recipients are finding out the hard way now
“The trouble with fleeing to a half-arsed and corruption-ridden country…”
Someone who’s described them as shithole countries may find them less than happy to take him in.
Neophyte said:
“The trouble with fleeing to a half-arsed and corruption-ridden country…”Someone who’s described them as shithole countries may find them less than happy to take him in.
There’s always a ‘government’ somewhere that will sell you a passport, if you’ve got the money.

Here’s a photo someone sent in to give you some idea of the size of their tape measure.
Peak Warming Man said:
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Here’s a photo someone sent in to give you some idea of the size of their tape measure.
If one of them fell on Trump’s head, his hair would absorb the impact.
Divine Angel said:
Peak Warming Man said:
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Here’s a photo someone sent in to give you some idea of the size of their tape measure.
If one of them fell on Trump’s head, his hair would absorb the impact.
and the contents would still be indistinguishable
Peak Warming Man said:
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Here’s a photo someone sent in to give you some idea of the size of their tape measure.
Far canal!
buffy said:
Before our internet and phones went down, I watched a talk from Gary Bakker, a clinical psychologist. It was his take on Donald Trump.Here is what I noted down.
He doesn’t use DSM. He was applying “The Dark Triad”:
Narcissism – Trump has this (blabs)
Psycopathy – Trump has this (antisocial)
Macchiavelianism – Trump does not have this.He is not insane.
He has no insight (Theory of Mind) so has no brake or filter
He is not smart – he is Dunning Kruger – he thinks he is brilliant.
“The Test” that Trump talks about was not an IQ test, as he seems to believe, but was the Montreal Cognitive Assessment Pre-Test, which is used to assess if further testing is required for dementia or brain damage. If I got the numbers right, about 10% of people who do have brain injury or dementia get 100% on this pre-test anyway.Gary Bakker assesses Trump’s vocabulary at about that of a 14 year old and a guess on his IQ at 105. He guesses Obama at 145.
You can tell when Trump stops reading the teleprompter because his vocab drops suddenly.
He does not have enough abstract and conceptual ability to be racist. He only sees power and money.
bump
buffy said:
buffy said:
Before our internet and phones went down, I watched a talk from Gary Bakker, a clinical psychologist. It was his take on Donald Trump.Here is what I noted down.
He doesn’t use DSM. He was applying “The Dark Triad”:
Narcissism – Trump has this (blabs)
Psycopathy – Trump has this (antisocial)
Macchiavelianism – Trump does not have this.He is not insane.
He has no insight (Theory of Mind) so has no brake or filter
He is not smart – he is Dunning Kruger – he thinks he is brilliant.
“The Test” that Trump talks about was not an IQ test, as he seems to believe, but was the Montreal Cognitive Assessment Pre-Test, which is used to assess if further testing is required for dementia or brain damage. If I got the numbers right, about 10% of people who do have brain injury or dementia get 100% on this pre-test anyway.Gary Bakker assesses Trump’s vocabulary at about that of a 14 year old and a guess on his IQ at 105. He guesses Obama at 145.
You can tell when Trump stops reading the teleprompter because his vocab drops suddenly.
He does not have enough abstract and conceptual ability to be racist. He only sees power and money.
bump
Thanks for that.
https://trumpcovidplan.com/
SCIENCE said:
https://trumpcovidplan.com/
I thought the plan was ‘do nothing, let the peasantry die in their hundreds of thousands, while assuring them that all is well’.
And the plan appeared to have been going very well.
Trump is leading..in Ohio.
sarahs mum said:
Trump is leading..in Ohio.
Which reminds me… what were the betting agencies saying in the lead up to the 2016 election WRT who was likely to win?
sarahs mum said:
Trump is leading..in Ohio.
It’s close
sarahs mum said:
Trump is leading..in Ohio.
What do Mr and Mrs Ohio think about that?
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump is leading..in Ohio.
What do Mr and Mrs Ohio think about that?
I think things are looking okay from their bubble.
A federal judge on Tuesday denied the Justice Department’s effort to effectively end a defamation lawsuit against President Donald Trump brought by a longtime magazine columnist who has alleged he raped her in a luxury department store dressing room, paving the way for the case to proceed.
The DOJ had sought to intervene in the case and substitute itself as defendant in the lawsuit filed by E. Jean Carroll, a move that likely would have curbed the proceedings, since the federal government can’t be sued for defamation.
Writing in her 2019 book, Carroll claimed Trump raped her in a dressing room at a luxury Manhattan department store in the 1990s.
Shortly after Carroll’s allegations became public, Trump denied them, telling reporters, “She’s not my type,” and accusing Carroll of lying to boost her book sales.
In a 61-page opinion, US District Judge Lewis Kaplan ruled that Trump “is not an ‘employee of the Government,’ as Congress defined that term,” and therefore the lawsuit isn’t, as the Justice Department argued, against the United States.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/27/politics/e-jean-carroll-defamation-lawsuit-trump/index.html
dv said:
A federal judge on Tuesday denied the Justice Department’s effort to effectively end a defamation lawsuit against President Donald Trump brought by a longtime magazine columnist who has alleged he raped her in a luxury department store dressing room, paving the way for the case to proceed.The DOJ had sought to intervene in the case and substitute itself as defendant in the lawsuit filed by E. Jean Carroll, a move that likely would have curbed the proceedings, since the federal government can’t be sued for defamation.
Writing in her 2019 book, Carroll claimed Trump raped her in a dressing room at a luxury Manhattan department store in the 1990s.
Shortly after Carroll’s allegations became public, Trump denied them, telling reporters, “She’s not my type,” and accusing Carroll of lying to boost her book sales.In a 61-page opinion, US District Judge Lewis Kaplan ruled that Trump “is not an ‘employee of the Government,’ as Congress defined that term,” and therefore the lawsuit isn’t, as the Justice Department argued, against the United States.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/27/politics/e-jean-carroll-defamation-lawsuit-trump/index.html
SIXTY ONE PAGES?!? Yikes.
I hope Ms Carroll can be ok.
Donald Trump don’t wanna go!!!
ROFLOFL
https://www.facebook.com/warren.bell.714/videos/10155512531395870/
Woodie said:
Donald Trump don’t wanna go!!!ROFLOFL
https://www.facebook.com/warren.bell.714/videos/10155512531395870/
Heh.
Tau.Neutrino said:
This is Paula White, Trump’s spiritual adviser.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
This is Paula White, Trump’s spiritual adviser.
yet some people will tell you men can’t multitask
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
This is Paula White, Trump’s spiritual adviser.
yet some people will tell you men can’t multitask
This is a bizarre story… Meet the team who tape Trump’s documents.
TLDR: under the Presidential Records Act, every document the Pres touches needs to be preserved as historical records. But Trump likes to rip up everything he’s finished with, leaving his senior records management analyst (who earns over $USD65,000/yr) to sticky tape them back together.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164
Donald Trump hints at return ‘sooner than you think’ ahead of comeback speech
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/donald-trump-hints-at-return-sooner-than-you-think-ahead-of-comeback-speech/news-story/36d219d89a00bcb527e1a972e65fe230
No, please stay away.
Donald Trump sued by police officers who say he conspired with extremists to incite Capitol riots
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-27/seven-us-capitol-police-sue-donald-trump-say-he-incited-attack/100411808
Former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell is being sued for billions over election fraud claims. She sat down with Four Corners
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/fox-news-trump-lawyers-lawsuits-election-lies-four-corners/100419234
Tau.Neutrino said:
Former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell is being sued for billions over election fraud claims. She sat down with Four Corners
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/fox-news-trump-lawyers-lawsuits-election-lies-four-corners/100419234
The only reasons i can think of for her to be so obdurate are
she’s so utterly stupid that she really believes Trump’s lies
she’s got some sort of overwhelming investment in Trump and dare not abandon him
she’s so afraid of ‘losing face’ that she’s determined to go down with the ship, to mix some metaphors.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell is being sued for billions over election fraud claims. She sat down with Four Corners
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/fox-news-trump-lawyers-lawsuits-election-lies-four-corners/100419234
The only reasons i can think of for her to be so obdurate are
she’s so utterly stupid that she really believes Trump’s lies
she’s got some sort of overwhelming investment in Trump and dare not abandon him
she’s so afraid of ‘losing face’ that she’s determined to go down with the ship, to mix some metaphors.
Yes, it has to be something like that or Trump has something on her?
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell is being sued for billions over election fraud claims. She sat down with Four Corners
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/fox-news-trump-lawyers-lawsuits-election-lies-four-corners/100419234
The only reasons i can think of for her to be so obdurate are
she’s so utterly stupid that she really believes Trump’s lies
she’s got some sort of overwhelming investment in Trump and dare not abandon him
she’s so afraid of ‘losing face’ that she’s determined to go down with the ship, to mix some metaphors.
She like so many others actually believes that Trump is still president, because Trump said they stole the election.
So the utterly stupid bit is quite clear even though not what she thinks.
Donald Trump could be charged with multiple crimes over his attempts to overturn his loss in the state of Georgia, report says
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-committed-crimes-over-georgia-election-interference-report-2021-9
criminal solicitation to commit election fraud
intentional interference with performance of election duties
conspiracy to commit election fraud
criminal solicitation
and state RICO violations
Fake property evaluations and pressuring officials to ‘find’ votes: All the evidence piling up in the criminal probes of Trump
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/donald-trump-criminal-investigations-evidence-before-prosecutors-2021-5
Tau.Neutrino said:
Donald Trump could be charged with multiple crimes over his attempts to overturn his loss in the state of Georgia, report says
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-committed-crimes-over-georgia-election-interference-report-2021-9criminal solicitation to commit election fraud
intentional interference with performance of election duties
conspiracy to commit election fraud
criminal solicitation
and state RICO violationsFake property evaluations and pressuring officials to ‘find’ votes: All the evidence piling up in the criminal probes of Trump
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/donald-trump-criminal-investigations-evidence-before-prosecutors-2021-5
Inevitability.
N.Y. prosecutors set sights on new Trump target: Widely different valuations on the same properties
By David A. Fahrenthold, Jonathan O’Connell, Josh Dawsey and Shayna Jacobs
November 22, 2021 at 6:00 a.m. EST
The Trump Organization owns an office building at 40 Wall Street in Manhattan. In 2012, when the company was listing its assets for potential lenders, it said the building was worth $527 million — which would make it among the most valuable in New York.
But just a few months later, the Trump Organization told property tax officials that the entire 70-story building was worth less than a high-end Manhattan condo: just $16.7 million, according to newly released city records.
That was less than one-thirtieth the amount it had claimed the year before.
That property is now under scrutiny from the Manhattan district attorney and New York attorney general, along with several others like it for which the Trump Organization gave vastly different value estimates, according to public records and people familiar with their investigations who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss ongoing inquiries.
What are the charges against the Trump Organization and its CFO?
After the indictment of the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer this summer for income tax fraud, prosecutors now appear to be examining whether the company broke the law by providing low values to property tax officers, while using high ones to garner tax breaks or impress lenders.
New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) has said she is considering a lawsuit, and prosecutors in the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office have also convened a new grand jury, which could vote on criminal charges, according to the people familiar with the investigations.
Among the other properties under scrutiny: former president Donald Trump’s California golf club, for which he valued the same parcel of land at $900,000 and $25 million depending on the intended audience, and an estate in suburban New York, for which Trump’s valuations ranged from $56 million up to $291 million. The valuations were all given in the five years before Trump won the presidency.
Prosecutors appear to have dug deeply into these properties, according to court papers and people familiar with the investigation. They have compiled reams of emails, planning documents and financial data, even seeking the initiation fees Trump charged golf club members as far back as a decade ago. In Los Angeles, they have asked for geology reports on the rock layers under Trump’s course — where the value was affected by a history of landslides.
They have also sought detailed records from two outside companies that worked with the Trump Organization to formulate these valuations: appraisal firm Cushman & Wakefield and law firm Morgan Lewis. In court filings, prosecutors have referred to emails in which they said Trump executives or a Morgan Lewis lawyer pushed appraisers to change their findings. Neither Morgan Lewis nor Cushman & Wakefield responded to questions.
Real estate appraisers said it was highly unusual for any property owner to give such widely different values for the same property during the same time period.
“This is way, way beyond anything that’s believable,” said Norm Miller, a professor of real estate finance at the University of San Diego who has appraised properties for 50 years. “I’ve never seen anything with a gap that extreme.”
But extreme is not the same as illegal. Legal experts said that if prosecutors wish to prove a crime, they will need to do more than simply prove Trump’s valuations were wrong.
“Is it an overly optimistic? Is it an enthusiastic perception?” said Robert Masters, a former top aide to the district attorney in Queens. “Does that make it a lie?”
Masters said prosecutors would probably need to show that the figures were wrong on purpose — falsified deliberately, with an intent to deceive a lender or the government. Masters said that may require a witness on the inside, who could explain the decision-making behind the numbers.
“Is there somebody there who can translate the books?” he said.
The Trump Organization said in a statement on Monday that prosecutors should focus on other problems in New York. Eric Trump, the former president’s son and a top Trump Organization executive, also called the investigations an example of the “weaponization of political prosecutors.” “It is eroding Americans’ confidence in the legal system and it has to stop,” Eric Trump wrote in a statement.
This summer, Trump’s longtime CFO Allen Weisselberg and two Trump companies were indicted on charges of felony tax fraud. Prosecutors allege Weisselberg deceived income tax authorities by hiding some of the pay and benefits that he and other company executives received.
Trump himself was not accused of wrongdoing in that case. Weisselberg and the two companies have pleaded not guilty, and a trial is not expected until late next year.
Now, the investigations into Trump’s company appear to be undergoing a shift — both in leadership and in focus.
Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr. (D), who led the criminal side of the investigation for three years, declined to run for reelection. He will be replaced at year’s end by Democrat Alvin Bragg.
James, who is running a civil investigation of Trump’s company and assisting with Vance’s criminal probe, is staying. For now. She already has entered the governor’s race for 2022.
Vance, Bragg and James all declined to comment for this article.
In recent months, investigators have looked beyond the income tax issues that were the focus of Weisselberg’s indictment, according to public records and people familiar with the investigation.
They have appeared to focus on allegations about the values of Trump’s properties that were first raised publicly by former Trump lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen in his testimony to Congress in 2019. Cohen said Trump used these values to deceive, inflating or deflating the same asset to get advantages he didn’t deserve. “Mr. Trump is a cheat,” Cohen said then. Trump responded by noting that Cohen had pleaded guilty to providing false testimony to Congress in the past.
James’s office has even commissioned its own appraisals of some Trump properties, to provide a standard to which they could compare Trump’s valuations, according to two people familiar with the investigation.
Investigators seem focused on the valuations of at least four Trump properties, according to court filings and people familiar with the investigation.
One is the office building at 40 Wall Street. Another is in California, where Trump owns a golf course atop oceanfront cliffs in the Los Angeles suburb of Rancho Palos Verdes.
The cliffs have a history of landslides: In 1999, when somebody else owned the course, a 2,000-foot slide pulled the 18th hole into the ocean. After Trump bought the land in 2002, he sought to make extra money by building homes along the course — but city officials blocked those plans in one section of the course, saying a layer of slippery ash inside the cliffs made it vulnerable to slide again.
After that, records show, Trump’s company seemed to tell two divergent stories about the same land.
In filings with property tax authorities — when it was advantageous for the land to be worth less — Trump seemed to bow to the difficulty of developing the land. In 2013, he told the county tax assessor that the entire 17-acre parcel was worth just $900,000, less than a single home in that neighborhood.
But when it was advantageous for the land to be worth more, Trump’s company said it was. Twenty-seven times more.
That valuation came in 2014, as Trump’s company sought to get a “conservation easement” on that same parcel, formally giving up the right to build homes there.
For tax purposes, an easement works like a charitable donation: Instead of donating money, Trump was donating value — the money that the land would have brought him, if he’d built homes on it.
The bigger that value was, the bigger the tax deduction could be. In that case, Trump’s company, relying on an appraisal from Cushman & Wakefield, said the plot was worth at least $25 million.
In 2012, Trump’s “Statement of Financial Condition”— a document that is typically used to demonstrate value to potential lenders — said the course had “52 home sites available for sale,” indicating a potential source of future cash flow.
At the time, however, the club had only received approvals for 36 home sites and six of them had already been sold, according to public records.
In May — after Reuters published an article on the club’s fluctuating valuations — investigators from James’s office contacted the city of Rancho Palos Verdes. They asked for hundreds of thousands of pages of documents, covering the history of the club’s efforts to get home lots approved, according to an email exchange released by the city’s lawyers.
They also wanted reports on the geology under the course — the factor that had limited Trump’s ability to develop it. “We will take any reports you were able to find issued from the year 2000 and forward,” a staffer for James wrote, according to an email that the city’s attorneys provided The Washington Post.
James’s office has said it has jurisdiction to investigate this California course because its owner, Trump, was a resident of New York at the time.
Investigators have also probed two different Trump properties in Westchester County, N.Y., just north of Manhattan.
One of them is a 212-acre estate called Seven Springs. As in California, Trump spent years trying to get approval to build new homes on this land. Then he gave up those rights, again using a conservation easement to “donate” the value he hadn’t yet been able to create.
To get that easement, Trump’s company got another appraisal from Cushman & Wakefield, which valued the lost development rights at $21 million, according to copy of the appraisal obtained by The Post. In court filings last year, James’s office alleged that Eric Trump, the former president’s son, had pushed his attorneys and the appraisers to increase their original estimate.
Also in Westchester County, investigators have examined Trump’s golf club in the town of Briarcliff Manor.
In 2015, his company sued the local property tax authorities to lower that club’s valuation, saying the property was worth just $1.4 million. If the town had agreed, that would have reduced the club’s tax bill by 90 percent.
But in the same year, when Trump filed his financial disclosures as a candidate for president, he listed the club’s value as being more than 35 times higher: “Over $50 million.”
Jeffrey Dugas, who later appraised that club on behalf of Trump’s company, said neither number was accurate in his opinion. But, Dugas said, the huge gap between the two numbers was not — to him — evidence of a crime.
He said the two numbers were probably prepared for different audiences, with different methodologies.
The $1.4 million figure, he said, may have been a lowball estimate from Trump’s lawyer, a kind of opening offer to start a negotiation with local tax authorities. And the $50 million figure may have been Trump’s own guess as to what the course would be worth, if he ever got approvals to build homes on it.
“Neither of them go together,” Dugas said, calling them “apples and oranges.” Trump’s lawyer in that property tax case did not respond to a request for comment.
The New York Times reported last month that Westchester County District Attorney Miriam “Mimi” Rocah (D), is also investigating that course, but Rocah’s office has not commented.
The full scope of the investigations into the Trump Organization’s valuations is unclear, hidden by the secrecy of a grand jury.
New York law makes it a felony to falsify business records, to file false documents with the government or to make false statements on a sworn document.
But in every case, those laws require proof of intent: Prosecutors have to show that someone made the false statements knowingly, in an effort to deceive or to cover up a crime.
Legal experts said prosecutors could face an especially high burden when applying these laws to the real estate industry — where the value of any property is always somewhat subjective, and where some amount of self-serving puffery is the norm.
That opens the door to an everybody-does-it defense.
“I’m doing what was expected. I’m not fooling anybody. I’m working within a system where this is the norm,” said Rebecca Roiphe, a former prosecutor and a professor at New York Law School, playing out a hypothetical argument.
Another possible defense: Trump’s company could say he didn’t set these valuations himself but relied on outside experts such as appraisers, accountants or lawyers. In this case, prosecutors have seemed to focus on what Trump or his executives told those experts, and when they pushed them to change their original opinion.
Samuel W. Buell, a law professor at Duke University, said prosecutors often look for evidence that their targets misled their own experts. That negates the “gatekeeper” defense, he said, and may show evidence of an intent to mislead.
“You lied to the gatekeeper, and that’s the only reason they let you through,” Buell said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-organization-investigation-property-values-vance-james/2021/11/19/78c15850-4706-11ec-95dc-5f2a96e00fa3_story.html?
Witty Rejoinder said:
N.Y. prosecutors set sights on new Trump target: Widely different valuations on the same properties…..“You lied to the gatekeeper, and that’s the only reason they let you through,” Buell said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-organization-investigation-property-values-vance-james/2021/11/19/78c15850-4706-11ec-95dc-5f2a96e00fa3_story.html?
Lies, deceit, all Hallmarks of Trump.
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sibeen said:
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I remember this guy, used to be a regular on that reality TV show where he’d pretend to be a billionaire and fire people and stuff, wacky character and a bit risque at times but all in all a loveable goofball. What was that show called again? Neophyte? Acolyte?
I was just making sure the thread was in good working order. Keeping the powder dry and such.
deevs, can you please bump the US politics thread, there’s a good chap.
Days before Joe Biden’s presidential inauguration, Republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene appeared in a text to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to press for Donald Trump to overturn his 2020 election defeat by invoking martial law, new messages show.
The message – one of more than 2,000 texts turned over by Meadows to the House select committee investigating January 6 and first reported by CNN – shows that some of Trump’s most ardent allies on Capitol Hill were pressing for Trump to return himself to office even after the Capitol attack.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/26/marjorie-taylor-greene-texts-mark-meadows-martial-law-2020-election
And Trump is still the front runner to run for the Republicans…FMD.
sibeen said:
Days before Joe Biden’s presidential inauguration, Republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene appeared in a text to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to press for Donald Trump to overturn his 2020 election defeat by invoking martial law, new messages show.The message – one of more than 2,000 texts turned over by Meadows to the House select committee investigating January 6 and first reported by CNN – shows that some of Trump’s most ardent allies on Capitol Hill were pressing for Trump to return himself to office even after the Capitol attack.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/26/marjorie-taylor-greene-texts-mark-meadows-martial-law-2020-election
And Trump is still the front runner to run for the Republicans…FMD.
He’s popular with GOP voters.. it’s hardly rocket science.