Date: 16/08/2019 14:28:52
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1423651
Subject: Political party created by photoshopped images

Back in the old days before photoshop, the now familiar image manipulation techniques of dodge, burn, blur etc, were “traditional darkroom techniques”. Such techniques were used to create mist, shadows, enhance colours etc.

Now cast your mind back to the mid 1970s. A photographer called Dombroskis was producing spectacularly beautiful images of the wilderness. Being unfamiliar with darkroom image manipulation techniques, I, and many other people, accepted these images as genuine representations of reality. Except for one image, this one.

This photograph, although undoubtedly beautiful, made me nervous. I felt back in the mid 1970s, without knowing why, that no combination of atmospheric phenomena and lighting could produce such an image.

Listening to an offhand comment a week ago that the Franklin River was worth saving because it is beautiful, made me wonder. Is it intrinsically beautiful, or does it have average beauty that was enhanced by an exceptional photographer? The poster image for the famous “no dams” campaign was produced by Dombroskis, and that caused me to dig up the image above again.

The foreground in shadow and the background in light is unusual, but is not in itself cause for concern. The brightness range has been artificially compressed to allow shadow and sunlight to show details in the same photograph. Again unusual but not a cause for concern.

What is cause for concern is that the sunlight in the background is shining from three different directions. In the foreground, the sky’s light is also shining from multiple directions. The sunlight is also incompatible with the fog, because the colours in fog would be more muted. All told, the natural lighting is shining from six different directions.

It’s been shopped.

So Dombroskis shopped at least some of his images. And that fits with my observation that every Dombroskis image is beautiful, he imposed beauty in his darkroom on scenes that were not intrinsically beautiful. You can find photographers doing the same thing today.

So now we turn to the Franklin River and the “No Dams” poster image, this one by Dombroskis. Ten out of ten for beauty.

Now let’s compare that with a more recent real photo of the same scene. Not beautiful, almost on the point of being downright ugly.

Differences between the two can’t easily be explained by different river height, different camera viewpoint, or different atmospheric and lighting conditions.

Fog doesn’t pour down mountainsides that way in the early morning, and this was supposed to be taken in the morning. It’s suspiciously like what could be obtained by adding fog using a “dodge” in the darkroom. The work is very finely and beautifully done, but it’s done to hide the fact that it’s not an intrinsically beautiful scene.

And the political party, the Australian Greens.

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:32:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1423652
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

to be honest i find the latter to be more aesthetically appealing but maybe i’m just a child of the 23stndrdth century

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:33:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1423653
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

mollwollfumble said:


Back in the old days before photoshop, the now familiar image manipulation techniques of dodge, burn, blur etc, were “traditional darkroom techniques”. Such techniques were used to create mist, shadows, enhance colours etc.

Now cast your mind back to the mid 1970s. A photographer called Dombroskis was producing spectacularly beautiful images of the wilderness. Being unfamiliar with darkroom image manipulation techniques, I, and many other people, accepted these images as genuine representations of reality. Except for one image, this one.

This photograph, although undoubtedly beautiful, made me nervous. I felt back in the mid 1970s, without knowing why, that no combination of atmospheric phenomena and lighting could produce such an image.

Listening to an offhand comment a week ago that the Franklin River was worth saving because it is beautiful, made me wonder. Is it intrinsically beautiful, or does it have average beauty that was enhanced by an exceptional photographer? The poster image for the famous “no dams” campaign was produced by Dombroskis, and that caused me to dig up the image above again.

The foreground in shadow and the background in light is unusual, but is not in itself cause for concern. The brightness range has been artificially compressed to allow shadow and sunlight to show details in the same photograph. Again unusual but not a cause for concern.

What is cause for concern is that the sunlight in the background is shining from three different directions. In the foreground, the sky’s light is also shining from multiple directions. The sunlight is also incompatible with the fog, because the colours in fog would be more muted. All told, the natural lighting is shining from six different directions.

It’s been shopped.

So Dombroskis shopped at least some of his images. And that fits with my observation that every Dombroskis image is beautiful, he imposed beauty in his darkroom on scenes that were not intrinsically beautiful. You can find photographers doing the same thing today.

So now we turn to the Franklin River and the “No Dams” poster image, this one by Dombroskis. Ten out of ten for beauty.

Now let’s compare that with a more recent real photo of the same scene. Not beautiful, almost on the point of being downright ugly.

Differences between the two can’t easily be explained by different river height, different camera viewpoint, or different atmospheric and lighting conditions.

Fog doesn’t pour down mountainsides that way in the early morning, and this was supposed to be taken in the morning. It’s suspiciously like what could be obtained by adding fog using a “dodge” in the darkroom. The work is very finely and beautifully done, but it’s done to hide the fact that it’s not an intrinsically beautiful scene.

And the political party, the Australian Greens.

I have a boring Tasmanian landscape outside my window. Sometimes the weather makes it magic.

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:34:16
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1423654
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

And Dombrovski did go out for ages to get a photo. He was good at waiting.

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:42:47
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1423659
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

It’s just different lighting and weather conditions. You’re being silly.

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:43:34
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1423660
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

mollwollfumble said:


And the political party, the Australian Greens.

Are you working up your credentials to replace Alan Jones?

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:44:02
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1423662
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

Bubblecar said:


It’s just different lighting and weather conditions. You’re being silly.

That is more polite than what I was thinking.

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:44:02
From: Michael V
ID: 1423663
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

>>>Fog doesn’t pour down mountainsides that way in the early morning, and this was supposed to be taken in the morning.

Well actually, yes it does.

Clearly, you haven’t stood on top of a mountain in the Upper Hunter Valley on a cold-but-clear winter’s morning, and watched the various cascading falls of fog pouring off the top of the New England Tableland into the lower country. Spectacular. I have a 35 mm slide of that somewhere.

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:45:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1423664
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

Michael V said:


>>>Fog doesn’t pour down mountainsides that way in the early morning, and this was supposed to be taken in the morning.

Well actually, yes it does.

Clearly, you haven’t stood on top of a mountain in the Upper Hunter Valley on a cold-but-clear winter’s morning, and watched the various cascading falls of fog pouring off the top of the New England Tableland into the lower country. Spectacular. I have a 35 mm slide of that somewhere.

also light does bounce around in those conditions..specially when you keep the lens open for longer exposures.

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:46:12
From: Tamb
ID: 1423665
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

Michael V said:


>>>Fog doesn’t pour down mountainsides that way in the early morning, and this was supposed to be taken in the morning.

Well actually, yes it does.

Clearly, you haven’t stood on top of a mountain in the Upper Hunter Valley on a cold-but-clear winter’s morning, and watched the various cascading falls of fog pouring off the top of the New England Tableland into the lower country. Spectacular. I have a 35 mm slide of that somewhere.


It was on SBS last night about catching water from the fog.

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:46:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1423666
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

now look at that beautiful jungle of concrete right there

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:46:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1423667
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

Tamb said:


Michael V said:

>>>Fog doesn’t pour down mountainsides that way in the early morning, and this was supposed to be taken in the morning.

Well actually, yes it does.

Clearly, you haven’t stood on top of a mountain in the Upper Hunter Valley on a cold-but-clear winter’s morning, and watched the various cascading falls of fog pouring off the top of the New England Tableland into the lower country. Spectacular. I have a 35 mm slide of that somewhere.


It was on SBS last night about catching water from the fog.

sounds like staR warS

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:48:43
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1423670
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

Like other fine photographers of his day (and today), Peter Dombrovskis took absolute shitloads of photos, then chose the best.

I can assure you that taking loads of snaps of Tasmanian wilderness regions will produce very many spectacular images, unless you’re a hopeless snapper.

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:52:29
From: dv
ID: 1423672
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

I can’t see anything impossible, or even unlikely, in these photos.

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Date: 16/08/2019 14:58:47
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1423679
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

My nephew is currently doing the Overland Track (Cradle Mountain to Lake St Clair) and will doubtless take lots of great snaps.

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Date: 16/08/2019 15:00:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1423681
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

we should postem here and start apolitical parties

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Date: 16/08/2019 15:03:11
From: Michael V
ID: 1423687
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

https://www.sciencealert.com/climate-deniers-got-far-more-media-attention-than-scientists-this-century?perpetual=yes&limitstart=1

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Date: 16/08/2019 15:05:16
From: Michael V
ID: 1423690
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

Michael V said:


https://www.sciencealert.com/climate-deniers-got-far-more-media-attention-than-scientists-this-century?perpetual=yes&limitstart=1

Hangs head in shame. Sorry, wrong thread.

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Date: 16/08/2019 15:06:08
From: dv
ID: 1423693
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

Michael V said:


Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/climate-deniers-got-far-more-media-attention-than-scientists-this-century?perpetual=yes&limitstart=1

Hangs head in shame. Sorry, wrong thread.

you broke all our hearts

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Date: 16/08/2019 15:06:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1423694
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

Michael V said:


Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/climate-deniers-got-far-more-media-attention-than-scientists-this-century?perpetual=yes&limitstart=1

Hangs head in shame. Sorry, wrong thread.

Not sure about that.

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Date: 16/08/2019 18:07:34
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1423745
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

Bubblecar said:


Like other fine photographers of his day (and today), Peter Dombrovskis took absolute shitloads of photos, then chose the best.

I can assure you that taking loads of snaps of Tasmanian wilderness regions will produce very many spectacular images, unless you’re a hopeless snapper.

He did? Well, that’s good news then. Shitloads of time exposures at the same location, even better.

I’d like to see at least one of the ones he took that is not 10/10 beautiful. I’d like even more to see a direct print off one of his negatives, but I don’t suppose I’ll ever get to see that.

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Date: 16/08/2019 20:29:19
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1423813
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

OK, so the general consensus is that the beauty of Dombroskis images is due to the combination of Dombroskis’ skill as a photographer and happy dircumstance. That the beauty has not been enhanced by darkroom techniques.

I can live with that.

You know that i rely on you guys to keep me sane, right?

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Date: 16/08/2019 20:36:28
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1423816
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

I have one set of photos taken up here long ago when the mist came in. Visibility of 50 or 60 feet or so. Thick mist. I had a black and white film in Scott’s father’s really good German camera. I took photos of the horse and calves and Sarah. Processed them in a colour processor so they came out sepia. Magic photos. You just gotta be there at the right time. And as the car said any idiot with a camera can get a good shot when the world is magic.

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Date: 16/08/2019 20:57:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1423820
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

I met Dombrovski. He had an open garden at his place on the Mt welly foothills. Lots of rhodos underplanted under natives. I had a long chat to peter and his wife. They were lovely people.

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Date: 16/08/2019 21:43:27
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1423828
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

sarahs mum said:


I met Dombrovski. He had an open garden at his place on the Mt welly foothills. Lots of rhodos underplanted under natives. I had a long chat to peter and his wife. They were lovely people.

I’d not heard of him before.

I’ll look him up.

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Date: 16/08/2019 21:44:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1423830
Subject: re: Political party created by photoshopped images

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:

I met Dombrovski. He had an open garden at his place on the Mt welly foothills. Lots of rhodos underplanted under natives. I had a long chat to peter and his wife. They were lovely people.

I’d not heard of him before.

I’ll look him up.

Do an image search too.

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