This discussion looks interesting. What’s it about? How did it start?

Bubblecar said:

Arts said:

surely they have a very different concept of time than we do.. if they have a concept of time at all…
if we lived for 200 years, our concept of time and what we think about would also be different.

When we lived for average shorter lifespans our concept of what time is was different. (eg younger giving birth, working, our commitment to education etc)
The would certainly have a cyclic sense of time. When to swim here for this and there for that. They spend all their lives in the Arctic and sub-Arctic but do migrate from region to region therein at different times of year.

Arts said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:
The would certainly have a cyclic sense of time. When to swim here for this and there for that. They spend all their lives in the Arctic and sub-Arctic but do migrate from region to region therein at different times of year.
+ y

certainly? my first sentence said ‘very different concept of time’

it’s an interesting Q, you know like would the basics of the human concept of time be the same if humans lived 3 x as long. Assuming same brain, childhood development the same length, (slowed ageing though thereafter, just to make the proposition marginally conceptualizable) i’d expect it would be fairly much the same, or substantially similar.

i’d expect the experience of time, the feel, for a mature human, for a conscious human (to generalize for a moment), is greatly different to all other animal species

the reason I say that is humans have a very active sense of displacement, regard the work of their minds (thoughts about thinking, if you like). Simplified – thought A displaced B, C, D, sort of thing. Feeling A displaced B, C, D. Action A displaced B, C,D. Awarenesses from, sort of a flipside psychological shadow world.

what is, contrasted with else, the latter’s the foundations of possibility space and accompanies what is, which strongly influences the feeling or sense of time passing, a sort of thermodynamic wonder power. Magic

Humans spend much of their lives anticipating death. I’d suggest that the more intelligent and imaginative you are, the more that death comes to dominate your life from middle age onwards.

Upon contemplating the phenomenon of time seeming to go faster as we age,
I came to view the individual’s concept time as a pie chart:

A year seems to drag on forever when you’re 5 yo. since it’s 1/5th of your life.
(I’m sure you already see where this is going)
By the time you’re 64, 1/64th of your life whizzes by in a virtual blink of an eye.

btw
You prolly wouldn’t find 1/64th of any pie, no matter how rich, very satisfying.
odds are you’d be wanting more…even so with time…

by the time you’re 100, you’d be afraid to close your eyes at night to sleep…
like the old chestnut about “being so old you don’t even buy green bananas!”

.: rim-shot :.

I came to the same conclusion about 45 years ago, Ogmog. And it still seems to be true.

Michael V said:

I came to the same conclusion about 45 years ago, Ogmog. And it still seems to be true.

45 years ago?

Seems like yesterday.

Michael V said:

I came to the same conclusion about 45 years ago, Ogmog. And it still seems to be true.

Time passing has, for me, two different speeds. When home waiting to go to Cairns for treatment time passes quickly. When in Cairns being treated time drags slowly by.
As for death. I have a reason for thinking about it. Every month it is possible for my haematologist to tell me that the treatment is no longer effective and that I have only a short time to live. The treatment is fairly new and there is very little long term data as yet.

Morning punters and correctors.
Cool but fine, no rain.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

I came to the same conclusion about 45 years ago, Ogmog. And it still seems to be true.

45 years ago?

Seems like yesterday.

LOL

Time keeps on slippin’, slippin’, slippin’ into the future…

JudgeMental said:

Time keeps on slippin’, slippin’, slippin’ into the future…

See what’s become of me.

I quite like these ideas.

“There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances. Policy changes could help.

We recommend a higher tax on super bequests paid to non-dependents to better capture the value of the super tax breaks that are passed on rather than used for retirement. The cap on post-tax super contributions should also be lowered, to limit the re-contribution strategies.

The age pension assets test should include part of the value of the family home, perhaps the part above $500,000. Seniors with higher value properties should be allowed to borrow against their home using the Pension Loans Scheme.

This would give them the ability to stay in their home but would mean that some of the wealth that would otherwise be passed to heirs (most likely in their 50s) would instead be used to fund them, taking pressure off the pension.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/inheritances-as-we-know-them-are-broken/11429540

> The would certainly have a cyclic sense of time. When to swim here for this and there for that. They spend all their lives in the Arctic and sub-Arctic but do migrate from region to region therein at different times of year.

Whales?

“Thread from chat” is not a suitable Subject line for a thread about Animals’ experience of time.

Poor foruming, 1.5 stars.

Michael V said:

I quite like these ideas.

“There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances. Policy changes could help.

We recommend a higher tax on super bequests paid to non-dependents to better capture the value of the super tax breaks that are passed on rather than used for retirement. The cap on post-tax super contributions should also be lowered, to limit the re-contribution strategies.

The age pension assets test should include part of the value of the family home, perhaps the part above $500,000. Seniors with higher value properties should be allowed to borrow against their home using the Pension Loans Scheme.

This would give them the ability to stay in their home but would mean that some of the wealth that would otherwise be passed to heirs (most likely in their 50s) would instead be used to fund them, taking pressure off the pension.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/inheritances-as-we-know-them-are-broken/11429540

fair

dv said:

Michael V said:

I quite like these ideas.

“There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances. Policy changes could help.

We recommend a higher tax on super bequests paid to non-dependents to better capture the value of the super tax breaks that are passed on rather than used for retirement. The cap on post-tax super contributions should also be lowered, to limit the re-contribution strategies.

The age pension assets test should include part of the value of the family home, perhaps the part above $500,000. Seniors with higher value properties should be allowed to borrow against their home using the Pension Loans Scheme.

This would give them the ability to stay in their home but would mean that some of the wealth that would otherwise be passed to heirs (most likely in their 50s) would instead be used to fund them, taking pressure off the pension.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/inheritances-as-we-know-them-are-broken/11429540

fair

Or instead of convoluted schemes that will inevitably have unintended consequences why not just tax inherited wealth?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

I quite like these ideas.

“There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances. Policy changes could help.

We recommend a higher tax on super bequests paid to non-dependents to better capture the value of the super tax breaks that are passed on rather than used for retirement. The cap on post-tax super contributions should also be lowered, to limit the re-contribution strategies.

The age pension assets test should include part of the value of the family home, perhaps the part above $500,000. Seniors with higher value properties should be allowed to borrow against their home using the Pension Loans Scheme.

This would give them the ability to stay in their home but would mean that some of the wealth that would otherwise be passed to heirs (most likely in their 50s) would instead be used to fund them, taking pressure off the pension.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/inheritances-as-we-know-them-are-broken/11429540

fair

Or instead of convoluted schemes that will inevitably have unintended consequences why not just tax inherited wealth?

Is it sorry we don’t have the money anymore to fund pensions, we policy makers and politicians will be sweet, but stuff the rest of you

The working class can kiss my arse.

dv said:

Michael V said:

I quite like these ideas.

“There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances. Policy changes could help.

We recommend a higher tax on super bequests paid to non-dependents to better capture the value of the super tax breaks that are passed on rather than used for retirement. The cap on post-tax super contributions should also be lowered, to limit the re-contribution strategies.

The age pension assets test should include part of the value of the family home, perhaps the part above $500,000. Seniors with higher value properties should be allowed to borrow against their home using the Pension Loans Scheme.

This would give them the ability to stay in their home but would mean that some of the wealth that would otherwise be passed to heirs (most likely in their 50s) would instead be used to fund them, taking pressure off the pension.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/inheritances-as-we-know-them-are-broken/11429540

fair

Not sure about the $500,000 part.
That money in Sydney gets toy a hovel. In the bush it gets you a palace & 500 acres.

>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.

excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.

mollwollfumble said:

> The would certainly have a cyclic sense of time. When to swim here for this and there for that. They spend all their lives in the Arctic and sub-Arctic but do migrate from region to region therein at different times of year.

Whales?

Bowhead whales.

transition said:

>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.

excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.

you inherited the ABC, for example, courtesy taxes

transition said:

>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.

excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.

Some cultures preserve destructive religious memes including paedophile priests.

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.

excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.

Some cultures preserve destructive religious memes including paedophile priests.

Culture is adaptive or should be and many traditions are outdated or stupid or both and should be gotten rid of

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.

excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.

Some cultures preserve destructive religious memes including paedophile priests.

you just dropped your pants and did a dirty big turd in the thread, save furthering the wandering, loose, wayward associations, i’ll ignore it, and go do some jobs

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

That seems to have been prompted by Boris tho.

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

That’s quite amusing :)

(in a disturbing sort of way)

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.

excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.

Some cultures preserve destructive religious memes including paedophile priests.

Culture is adaptive or should be and many traditions are outdated or stupid or both and should be gotten rid of

Culture can be adaptive.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

That seems to have been prompted by Boris tho.

I’ll make sure he is duly credited

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

That seems to have been prompted by Boris tho.

I’ll make sure he is duly credited

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_it_Like_to_Be_a_Bat%3F

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.

No-one reads your posts.

dv said:

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.

dowsing with a bat????

dv said:

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.

Ha! A bent-wing bat.

sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.

No-one reads your posts.

good. i’d hate all the attention and adoration my intelligent posts would elicit.

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

JudgeMental said:

I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.

dowsing with a bat????

:-)

sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.

No-one reads your posts.

I do.

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.

excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.

Some cultures preserve destructive religious memes including paedophile priests.

you just dropped your pants and did a dirty big turd in the thread, save furthering the wandering, loose, wayward associations, i’ll ignore it, and go do some jobs

I keep my pants on while I read the news. I’m just having a coffee and reflecting on the past.

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.

Bats also have emotions as shown by them hanging off your arm & purring.

dv said:

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.

Plastic handle ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

JudgeMental said:

I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.

Plastic handle ?

It’s in pommie land. Far too easy to find water there.

Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?

dv said:

Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?

I do, cant remember it’s name though.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?

I do, cant remember it’s name though.

You can call it Al.

dv said:

Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?

It was banned wasn’t it? Sounded horrible when he hit a ball with it.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?

I do, cant remember it’s name though.

Titanium handles might be better than plastic ones.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?

I do, cant remember it’s name though.

Lucille

Tau.Neutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?

I do, cant remember it’s name though.

Titanium handles might be better than plastic ones.

I think he was promoting it so kids could afford a much cheaper bat.

According to WP it was called the ComBat and there were complaints about it damaging the ball

China’s ‘participatory authoritarianism’ plans to boot out bad personal behaviour in a few clicks
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/beijing-given-vote-to-decide-on-uncivilised-behaviour/11427054

Tau.Neutrino said:

China’s ‘participatory authoritarianism’ plans to boot out bad personal behaviour in a few clicks
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/beijing-given-vote-to-decide-on-uncivilised-behaviour/11427054

Discouraged ‘uncivilised behaviour’

Spitting, not using toilets, or throwing litter
Not classifying waste
Walking dogs without a leash, not picking up their faeces, or rearing large or strong dogs illegally
Burning paper money on the street or roadside
Storing personal items in communal corridors
Smoking in public places where smoking is prohibited
Disobeying traffic rules as a pedestrian or in vehicles other than cars
Cutting lines, stealing someone’s seat, or shouting loudly on public transport
Being loud while watching sports or arts performances, or littering at performance venues
Square dancing that disturb others
Throwing things from the upper floors of a building
Parking share bikes messily after using them
Graffiti, or scrawling over small advertisements
Trampling over flowers and plants, destroying greenery, and damaging public property
Exposing your upper body, damaging the appearance of a city
Using rude or coarse language, spreading bad taste, and feudal superstition online
Wasting food in restaurants
Using fireworks or firecrackers in violation of bans

Tau.Neutrino said:

China’s ‘participatory authoritarianism’ plans to boot out bad personal behaviour in a few clicks
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/beijing-given-vote-to-decide-on-uncivilised-behaviour/11427054

I wonder if it includes running people over in tanks

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

China’s ‘participatory authoritarianism’ plans to boot out bad personal behaviour in a few clicks
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/beijing-given-vote-to-decide-on-uncivilised-behaviour/11427054

I wonder if it includes running people over in tanks

That’s bad behaviour, it should be added to the list.

Religious insults is bad behaviour that can be added too.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

China’s ‘participatory authoritarianism’ plans to boot out bad personal behaviour in a few clicks
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/beijing-given-vote-to-decide-on-uncivilised-behaviour/11427054

I wonder if it includes running people over in tanks

That’s bad behaviour, it should be added to the list.

Religious insults is bad behaviour that can be added too.

Alan Jones insult can be added to the list.

Tau.Neutrino said:

China’s ‘participatory authoritarianism’ plans to boot out bad personal behaviour in a few clicks
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/beijing-given-vote-to-decide-on-uncivilised-behaviour/11427054

quite a good read that, highlights the/ir methods of behavior controls, outside an egalitarian ethic, while pretending to be egalitarian, which is instructive regard our own (free ways) informal behavior controls

when discretion fades in Australia, and it rains expiation notices, or the threat of, you’ll be able to look back on the lesson of China, at the discretion that became litter, and joy at how tidy everything is, even your thoughts

Foreign Agents and Terrorists: How China Is Framing Hong Kong’s Protests
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000006660097/foreign-agents-and-terrorists-how-china-is-framing-hong-kongs-protests.html

Tau.Neutrino said:

Foreign Agents and Terrorists: How China Is Framing Hong Kong’s Protests
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000006660097/foreign-agents-and-terrorists-how-china-is-framing-hong-kongs-protests.html

Retraining the protestors?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Foreign Agents and Terrorists: How China Is Framing Hong Kong’s Protests
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000006660097/foreign-agents-and-terrorists-how-china-is-framing-hong-kongs-protests.html

Retraining the protestors?

I mean

Will they retrain the protestors ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Foreign Agents and Terrorists: How China Is Framing Hong Kong’s Protests
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000006660097/foreign-agents-and-terrorists-how-china-is-framing-hong-kongs-protests.html

Retraining the protestors?

I mean

Will they retrain the protestors ?

Harvest organs and then bury them somewhere

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Foreign Agents and Terrorists: How China Is Framing Hong Kong’s Protests
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000006660097/foreign-agents-and-terrorists-how-china-is-framing-hong-kongs-protests.html

Retraining the protestors?

I mean

Will they retrain the protestors ?

Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.

fairly sure thinking about thinking (unique to consciousness) influences sense of time, the feel of it

it comes with tricks, like you can merge (parts, or aspects of) two structures (say information, for starters) that previously through time were isolated, often by space, of cognitive tools (faculties) it’d be more domains maybe

so you sort of get additive or composite products (+ potentials), and understanding that comes with awareness of displacement

other animals probably ‘think’ more like people do in an emergency, there’s less (or no) deliberation, no mediation, indicated by an inner voice. Same or similar when you’re half asleep and wander into the kitchen, into the fridge, you can eat and apparently not think at all

drugs effect sense of time, probably in great part their attraction, reduce inhibitory mediation also

or sex, going to more the work of instincts, the conclusional highlights of sex aren’t greatly mediated

a sense of time (the displacement aspects) for humans is burdensome

i’d expect one of the accidental (happened upon) outcomes/features of the evolved mind is ways to make being around for a long time more tolerable, even enjoyable if you can manage it, a demanding, perhaps continuous task requiring some creativity for a conscious creature

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Retraining the protestors?

I mean

Will they retrain the protestors ?

Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.

The Chinese are clever

They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.

School imposes time on children fairly abruptly.

Before the school years, time is something for the grownups to worry about. The child might be shepherded about but can enjoy the unfolding world without having to take responsibility for the passage of time.

School changes that. Conforming to time constraints increasingly becomes your own responsibility.

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I mean

Will they retrain the protestors ?

Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.

The Chinese are clever

They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.

I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.

The Chinese are clever

They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.

I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.

More likely they congratulate themselves on how much more efficient they are at crushing any notions of individual freedom.

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Chinese are clever

They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.

I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.

More likely they congratulate themselves on how much more efficient they are at crushing any notions of individual freedom.

Yeah exactly became worse than what they set out to get rid of

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.

The Chinese are clever

They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.

I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.

Yes, but I think its something deeper, like some sort of genetic generational inception.

Like a movie about one person controlling billions then someone else does the same thing.

And they keep doing that.

Sometimes it’s hard to distinguish who those people really are; some genuinely believe that their system is better and needs to be imposed on everyone. Others are simply in it for the power / wealth & don’t care who they smash to achieve their goals.

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.

More likely they congratulate themselves on how much more efficient they are at crushing any notions of individual freedom.

Yeah exactly became worse than what they set out to get rid of

The Chinese are becoming Borg without even realising it.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Chinese are clever

They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.

I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.

Yes, but I think its something deeper, like some sort of genetic generational inception.

Like a movie about one person controlling billions then someone else does the same thing.

And they keep doing that.

Like that old joke: Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it is the other way around.

Obviousman said:

Sometimes it’s hard to distinguish who those people really are; some genuinely believe that their system is better and needs to be imposed on everyone. Others are simply in it for the power / wealth & don’t care who they smash to achieve their goals.

I suppose if you crave power you are the wrong person for the job, even some power corrupts or attracts the corruptible

Obviousman said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.

Yes, but I think its something deeper, like some sort of genetic generational inception.

Like a movie about one person controlling billions then someone else does the same thing.

And they keep doing that.

Like that old joke: Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it is the other way around.

Capitalism you have more freedom so authorities find sneakier ways to exploit you, communists don’t care so are perhaps much more obvious about it.

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I mean

Will they retrain the protestors ?

Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.

The Chinese are clever

They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.

If there were right wing nutters and Nazis running around the Chinese would get rid of them as well.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.

The Chinese are clever

They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.

If there were right wing nutters and Nazis running around the Chinese would get rid of them as well.

The Chinese government are right wing nutters.

dv said:

“Thread from chat” is not a suitable Subject line for a thread about Animals’ experience of time.

Poor foruming, 1.5 stars.

No option. Computer freezing so i coudn’t scroll back to find the start of the discussion.

Obviousman said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.

Yes, but I think its something deeper, like some sort of genetic generational inception.

Like a movie about one person controlling billions then someone else does the same thing.

And they keep doing that.

Like that old joke: Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it is the other way around.

:)

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I mean

Will they retrain the protestors ?

Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.

The Chinese are clever

They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.

‘Real Bodies: The Exhibition’, controversy about ‘disturbing’ origins of corpses

Ogmog said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.

The Chinese are clever

They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.

‘Real Bodies: The Exhibition’, controversy about ‘disturbing’ origins of corpses

that was pretty interesting news last year

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

Ah, bowhead whales, at last we find out.

If you read the Animorph books (based on the tv series) they give a remarkably good rendition of what it’s like mentally to think like all those animals they change into – shrew, red-tailed hawk, dolphin, gorilla etc.

Tamb said:

dv said:

Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?

It was banned wasn’t it? Sounded horrible when he hit a ball with it.

They tried using Aluminium bats in pro baseball for a while
because fans were in danger of being injured by bits of bats
due to wooden bats shattering upon contact with the ball, but
not only did the fans object to the PING of the bat instead of
the familiar (and beloved) CRACK associated with “A Homer”
but the resultant “BUZZ” & STING was also proving injurious to
the Batsman’s hand and forearms to the point that the batsmen
almost DREADED the Bat coming in full contact with the Ball! D-x

side note: Aluminium bats are still used in school athletic venues to
prevent the possibility of becoming impaled by bits of shattered bat.

Ogmog said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?

It was banned wasn’t it? Sounded horrible when he hit a ball with it.

They tried using Aluminium bats in pro baseball for a while
because fans were in danger of being injured by bits of bats
due to wooden bats shattering upon contact with the ball, but
not only did the fans object to the PING of the bat instead of
the familiar (and beloved) CRACK associated with “A Homer”
but the resultant “BUZZ” & STING was also proving injurious to
the Batsman’s hand and forearms to the point that the batsmen
almost DREADED the Bat coming in full contact with the Ball! D-x

side note: Aluminium bats are still used in school athletic venues to
prevent the possibility of becoming impaled by bits of shattered bat.

And cost. AL bats don’t break.

mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about

Ah, bowhead whales, at last we find out.

If you read the Animorph books (based on the tv series) they give a remarkably good rendition of what it’s like mentally to think like all those animals they change into – shrew, red-tailed hawk, dolphin, gorilla etc.

A bowhead whale would have an excellent sense of smell. So most of it’s thoughts would be smell related, such as “someone’s set up an illegal tannery in that river that i’ve just passed 20 km off the coast” or “dang these lower pollution levels, now i can’t tell one river from the next” or “oh oh, orca pack feeding ahead”.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19211-how-does-a-bowhead-whale-smell-quite-well-actually/

>Before the school years, time is something for the grownups to worry about. The child might be shepherded about but can enjoy the unfolding world without having to take responsibility for the passage of time.

imagines school setting

looks at clock …..ten minutes to lunch

looks a clock…….half our to hometime

hears bell

you very much learn you’ve got to do this to get that, the territory of instrumental desires, well that’s the idea, amongst it all are the tools of The Lie, the fact teach knows more about how minds ought work than do work, and the masters of ought conspire.