Date: 19/08/2019 21:39:59
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1424996
Subject: Thread from chat
This discussion looks interesting. What’s it about? How did it start?
Bubblecar said:
Arts said:
surely they have a very different concept of time than we do.. if they have a concept of time at all…
if we lived for 200 years, our concept of time and what we think about would also be different.
When we lived for average shorter lifespans our concept of what time is was different. (eg younger giving birth, working, our commitment to education etc)
The would certainly have a cyclic sense of time. When to swim here for this and there for that. They spend all their lives in the Arctic and sub-Arctic but do migrate from region to region therein at different times of year.
Arts said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
The would certainly have a cyclic sense of time. When to swim here for this and there for that. They spend all their lives in the Arctic and sub-Arctic but do migrate from region to region therein at different times of year.
+ y
certainly? my first sentence said ‘very different concept of time’
it’s an interesting Q, you know like would the basics of the human concept of time be the same if humans lived 3 x as long. Assuming same brain, childhood development the same length, (slowed ageing though thereafter, just to make the proposition marginally conceptualizable) i’d expect it would be fairly much the same, or substantially similar.
i’d expect the experience of time, the feel, for a mature human, for a conscious human (to generalize for a moment), is greatly different to all other animal species
the reason I say that is humans have a very active sense of displacement, regard the work of their minds (thoughts about thinking, if you like). Simplified – thought A displaced B, C, D, sort of thing. Feeling A displaced B, C, D. Action A displaced B, C,D. Awarenesses from, sort of a flipside psychological shadow world.
what is, contrasted with else, the latter’s the foundations of possibility space and accompanies what is, which strongly influences the feeling or sense of time passing, a sort of thermodynamic wonder power. Magic
Date: 19/08/2019 21:50:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1425003
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Humans spend much of their lives anticipating death. I’d suggest that the more intelligent and imaginative you are, the more that death comes to dominate your life from middle age onwards.
Date: 20/08/2019 07:57:41
From: Ogmog
ID: 1425077
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Upon contemplating the phenomenon of time seeming to go faster as we age,
I came to view the individual’s concept time as a pie chart:
A year seems to drag on forever when you’re 5 yo. since it’s 1/5th of your life.
(I’m sure you already see where this is going)
By the time you’re 64, 1/64th of your life whizzes by in a virtual blink of an eye.
btw
You prolly wouldn’t find 1/64th of any pie, no matter how rich, very satisfying.
odds are you’d be wanting more…even so with time…
by the time you’re 100, you’d be afraid to close your eyes at night to sleep…
like the old chestnut about “being so old you don’t even buy green bananas!”
.: rim-shot :.
Date: 20/08/2019 08:11:01
From: Michael V
ID: 1425080
Subject: re: Thread from chat
I came to the same conclusion about 45 years ago, Ogmog. And it still seems to be true.
Date: 20/08/2019 08:31:06
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1425081
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Michael V said:
I came to the same conclusion about 45 years ago, Ogmog. And it still seems to be true.
45 years ago?
Seems like yesterday.
Date: 20/08/2019 08:33:53
From: Tamb
ID: 1425082
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Michael V said:
I came to the same conclusion about 45 years ago, Ogmog. And it still seems to be true.
Time passing has, for me, two different speeds. When home waiting to go to Cairns for treatment time passes quickly. When in Cairns being treated time drags slowly by.
As for death. I have a reason for thinking about it. Every month it is possible for my haematologist to tell me that the treatment is no longer effective and that I have only a short time to live. The treatment is fairly new and there is very little long term data as yet.
Date: 20/08/2019 08:56:33
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1425083
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Morning punters and correctors.
Cool but fine, no rain.
Date: 20/08/2019 08:56:50
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1425084
Subject: re: Thread from chat
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
I came to the same conclusion about 45 years ago, Ogmog. And it still seems to be true.
45 years ago?
Seems like yesterday.
LOL
Date: 20/08/2019 09:28:31
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1425085
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Time keeps on slippin’, slippin’, slippin’ into the future…
Date: 20/08/2019 09:33:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1425087
Subject: re: Thread from chat
JudgeMental said:
Time keeps on slippin’, slippin’, slippin’ into the future…
See what’s become of me.
Date: 20/08/2019 09:44:56
From: Michael V
ID: 1425089
Subject: re: Thread from chat
I quite like these ideas.
“There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances. Policy changes could help.
We recommend a higher tax on super bequests paid to non-dependents to better capture the value of the super tax breaks that are passed on rather than used for retirement. The cap on post-tax super contributions should also be lowered, to limit the re-contribution strategies.
The age pension assets test should include part of the value of the family home, perhaps the part above $500,000. Seniors with higher value properties should be allowed to borrow against their home using the Pension Loans Scheme.
This would give them the ability to stay in their home but would mean that some of the wealth that would otherwise be passed to heirs (most likely in their 50s) would instead be used to fund them, taking pressure off the pension.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/inheritances-as-we-know-them-are-broken/11429540
Date: 20/08/2019 09:56:20
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1425093
Subject: re: Thread from chat
> The would certainly have a cyclic sense of time. When to swim here for this and there for that. They spend all their lives in the Arctic and sub-Arctic but do migrate from region to region therein at different times of year.
Whales?
Date: 20/08/2019 10:01:48
From: dv
ID: 1425096
Subject: re: Thread from chat
“Thread from chat” is not a suitable Subject line for a thread about Animals’ experience of time.
Poor foruming, 1.5 stars.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:02:56
From: dv
ID: 1425097
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Michael V said:
I quite like these ideas.
“There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances. Policy changes could help.
We recommend a higher tax on super bequests paid to non-dependents to better capture the value of the super tax breaks that are passed on rather than used for retirement. The cap on post-tax super contributions should also be lowered, to limit the re-contribution strategies.
The age pension assets test should include part of the value of the family home, perhaps the part above $500,000. Seniors with higher value properties should be allowed to borrow against their home using the Pension Loans Scheme.
This would give them the ability to stay in their home but would mean that some of the wealth that would otherwise be passed to heirs (most likely in their 50s) would instead be used to fund them, taking pressure off the pension.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/inheritances-as-we-know-them-are-broken/11429540
fair
Date: 20/08/2019 10:15:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1425100
Subject: re: Thread from chat
dv said:
Michael V said:
I quite like these ideas.
“There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances. Policy changes could help.
We recommend a higher tax on super bequests paid to non-dependents to better capture the value of the super tax breaks that are passed on rather than used for retirement. The cap on post-tax super contributions should also be lowered, to limit the re-contribution strategies.
The age pension assets test should include part of the value of the family home, perhaps the part above $500,000. Seniors with higher value properties should be allowed to borrow against their home using the Pension Loans Scheme.
This would give them the ability to stay in their home but would mean that some of the wealth that would otherwise be passed to heirs (most likely in their 50s) would instead be used to fund them, taking pressure off the pension.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/inheritances-as-we-know-them-are-broken/11429540
fair
Or instead of convoluted schemes that will inevitably have unintended consequences why not just tax inherited wealth?
Date: 20/08/2019 10:19:42
From: Cymek
ID: 1425102
Subject: re: Thread from chat
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Michael V said:
I quite like these ideas.
“There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances. Policy changes could help.
We recommend a higher tax on super bequests paid to non-dependents to better capture the value of the super tax breaks that are passed on rather than used for retirement. The cap on post-tax super contributions should also be lowered, to limit the re-contribution strategies.
The age pension assets test should include part of the value of the family home, perhaps the part above $500,000. Seniors with higher value properties should be allowed to borrow against their home using the Pension Loans Scheme.
This would give them the ability to stay in their home but would mean that some of the wealth that would otherwise be passed to heirs (most likely in their 50s) would instead be used to fund them, taking pressure off the pension.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/inheritances-as-we-know-them-are-broken/11429540
fair
Or instead of convoluted schemes that will inevitably have unintended consequences why not just tax inherited wealth?
Is it sorry we don’t have the money anymore to fund pensions, we policy makers and politicians will be sweet, but stuff the rest of you
Date: 20/08/2019 10:21:43
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1425103
Subject: re: Thread from chat
The working class can kiss my arse.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:22:19
From: Tamb
ID: 1425105
Subject: re: Thread from chat
dv said:
Michael V said:
I quite like these ideas.
“There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances. Policy changes could help.
We recommend a higher tax on super bequests paid to non-dependents to better capture the value of the super tax breaks that are passed on rather than used for retirement. The cap on post-tax super contributions should also be lowered, to limit the re-contribution strategies.
The age pension assets test should include part of the value of the family home, perhaps the part above $500,000. Seniors with higher value properties should be allowed to borrow against their home using the Pension Loans Scheme.
This would give them the ability to stay in their home but would mean that some of the wealth that would otherwise be passed to heirs (most likely in their 50s) would instead be used to fund them, taking pressure off the pension.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/inheritances-as-we-know-them-are-broken/11429540
fair
Not sure about the $500,000 part.
That money in Sydney gets toy a hovel. In the bush it gets you a palace & 500 acres.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:22:22
From: transition
ID: 1425107
Subject: re: Thread from chat
>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.
excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:25:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1425110
Subject: re: Thread from chat
mollwollfumble said:
> The would certainly have a cyclic sense of time. When to swim here for this and there for that. They spend all their lives in the Arctic and sub-Arctic but do migrate from region to region therein at different times of year.
Whales?
Bowhead whales.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:27:03
From: transition
ID: 1425112
Subject: re: Thread from chat
transition said:
>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.
excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.
you inherited the ABC, for example, courtesy taxes
Date: 20/08/2019 10:32:28
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425121
Subject: re: Thread from chat
transition said:
>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.
excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.
Some cultures preserve destructive religious memes including paedophile priests.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:34:56
From: Cymek
ID: 1425126
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.
excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.
Some cultures preserve destructive religious memes including paedophile priests.
Culture is adaptive or should be and many traditions are outdated or stupid or both and should be gotten rid of
Date: 20/08/2019 10:35:13
From: dv
ID: 1425128
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
Date: 20/08/2019 10:36:29
From: transition
ID: 1425129
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.
excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.
Some cultures preserve destructive religious memes including paedophile priests.
you just dropped your pants and did a dirty big turd in the thread, save furthering the wandering, loose, wayward associations, i’ll ignore it, and go do some jobs
Date: 20/08/2019 10:37:04
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1425131
Subject: re: Thread from chat
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
That seems to have been prompted by Boris tho.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:37:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1425133
Subject: re: Thread from chat
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
That’s quite amusing :)
(in a disturbing sort of way)
Date: 20/08/2019 10:38:13
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425136
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.
excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.
Some cultures preserve destructive religious memes including paedophile priests.
Culture is adaptive or should be and many traditions are outdated or stupid or both and should be gotten rid of
Culture can be adaptive.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:39:22
From: dv
ID: 1425138
Subject: re: Thread from chat
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
That seems to have been prompted by Boris tho.
I’ll make sure he is duly credited
Date: 20/08/2019 10:40:32
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1425141
Subject: re: Thread from chat
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:41:55
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1425143
Subject: re: Thread from chat
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
That seems to have been prompted by Boris tho.
I’ll make sure he is duly credited
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_it_Like_to_Be_a_Bat%3F
Date: 20/08/2019 10:42:18
From: dv
ID: 1425144
Subject: re: Thread from chat
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:42:40
From: sibeen
ID: 1425145
Subject: re: Thread from chat
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.
No-one reads your posts.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:43:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1425146
Subject: re: Thread from chat
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.
dowsing with a bat????
Date: 20/08/2019 10:43:45
From: Michael V
ID: 1425148
Subject: re: Thread from chat
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.
Ha! A bent-wing bat.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:44:44
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1425150
Subject: re: Thread from chat
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.
No-one reads your posts.
good. i’d hate all the attention and adoration my intelligent posts would elicit.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:45:03
From: dv
ID: 1425151
Subject: re: Thread from chat
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.
dowsing with a bat????
:-)
Date: 20/08/2019 10:45:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1425152
Subject: re: Thread from chat
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.
No-one reads your posts.
I do.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:45:15
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425153
Subject: re: Thread from chat
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>There is little justification for taxpayers subsidising inheritances.
excepting the marginalized fact there, that it is almost by definition the purpose of culture, culture is what you inherit, its purpose is to outlive individuals, it preserves inheritances, including wealth.
Some cultures preserve destructive religious memes including paedophile priests.
you just dropped your pants and did a dirty big turd in the thread, save furthering the wandering, loose, wayward associations, i’ll ignore it, and go do some jobs
I keep my pants on while I read the news. I’m just having a coffee and reflecting on the past.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:45:55
From: Tamb
ID: 1425154
Subject: re: Thread from chat
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.
Bats also have emotions as shown by them hanging off your arm & purring.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:47:02
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425155
Subject: re: Thread from chat
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.
Plastic handle ?
Date: 20/08/2019 10:48:18
From: Tamb
ID: 1425159
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
I actually posted that response, what is it like to be a bat. it is a philosophical question. wiki it.
Plastic handle ?
It’s in pommie land. Far too easy to find water there.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:50:28
From: dv
ID: 1425165
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?
Date: 20/08/2019 10:51:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1425169
Subject: re: Thread from chat
dv said:
Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?
I do, cant remember it’s name though.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:52:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1425171
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?
I do, cant remember it’s name though.
You can call it Al.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:52:10
From: Tamb
ID: 1425172
Subject: re: Thread from chat
dv said:
Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?
It was banned wasn’t it? Sounded horrible when he hit a ball with it.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:52:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425174
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?
I do, cant remember it’s name though.
Titanium handles might be better than plastic ones.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:54:20
From: Cymek
ID: 1425179
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?
I do, cant remember it’s name though.
Lucille
Date: 20/08/2019 10:54:52
From: Tamb
ID: 1425180
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?
I do, cant remember it’s name though.
Titanium handles might be better than plastic ones.
I think he was promoting it so kids could afford a much cheaper bat.
Date: 20/08/2019 10:56:21
From: dv
ID: 1425184
Subject: re: Thread from chat
According to WP it was called the ComBat and there were complaints about it damaging the ball
Date: 20/08/2019 11:49:23
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425228
Subject: re: Thread from chat
China’s ‘participatory authoritarianism’ plans to boot out bad personal behaviour in a few clicks
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/beijing-given-vote-to-decide-on-uncivilised-behaviour/11427054
Date: 20/08/2019 11:52:32
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425229
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
China’s ‘participatory authoritarianism’ plans to boot out bad personal behaviour in a few clicks
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/beijing-given-vote-to-decide-on-uncivilised-behaviour/11427054
Discouraged ‘uncivilised behaviour’
Spitting, not using toilets, or throwing litter
Not classifying waste
Walking dogs without a leash, not picking up their faeces, or rearing large or strong dogs illegally
Burning paper money on the street or roadside
Storing personal items in communal corridors
Smoking in public places where smoking is prohibited
Disobeying traffic rules as a pedestrian or in vehicles other than cars
Cutting lines, stealing someone’s seat, or shouting loudly on public transport
Being loud while watching sports or arts performances, or littering at performance venues
Square dancing that disturb others
Throwing things from the upper floors of a building
Parking share bikes messily after using them
Graffiti, or scrawling over small advertisements
Trampling over flowers and plants, destroying greenery, and damaging public property
Exposing your upper body, damaging the appearance of a city
Using rude or coarse language, spreading bad taste, and feudal superstition online
Wasting food in restaurants
Using fireworks or firecrackers in violation of bans
Date: 20/08/2019 11:53:03
From: Cymek
ID: 1425230
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
China’s ‘participatory authoritarianism’ plans to boot out bad personal behaviour in a few clicks
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/beijing-given-vote-to-decide-on-uncivilised-behaviour/11427054
I wonder if it includes running people over in tanks
Date: 20/08/2019 11:56:02
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425232
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
China’s ‘participatory authoritarianism’ plans to boot out bad personal behaviour in a few clicks
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/beijing-given-vote-to-decide-on-uncivilised-behaviour/11427054
I wonder if it includes running people over in tanks
That’s bad behaviour, it should be added to the list.
Religious insults is bad behaviour that can be added too.
Date: 20/08/2019 11:57:12
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425233
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
China’s ‘participatory authoritarianism’ plans to boot out bad personal behaviour in a few clicks
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/beijing-given-vote-to-decide-on-uncivilised-behaviour/11427054
I wonder if it includes running people over in tanks
That’s bad behaviour, it should be added to the list.
Religious insults is bad behaviour that can be added too.
Alan Jones insult can be added to the list.
Date: 20/08/2019 12:12:45
From: transition
ID: 1425236
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
China’s ‘participatory authoritarianism’ plans to boot out bad personal behaviour in a few clicks
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/beijing-given-vote-to-decide-on-uncivilised-behaviour/11427054
quite a good read that, highlights the/ir methods of behavior controls, outside an egalitarian ethic, while pretending to be egalitarian, which is instructive regard our own (free ways) informal behavior controls
when discretion fades in Australia, and it rains expiation notices, or the threat of, you’ll be able to look back on the lesson of China, at the discretion that became litter, and joy at how tidy everything is, even your thoughts
Date: 20/08/2019 12:45:15
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425260
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Foreign Agents and Terrorists: How China Is Framing Hong Kong’s Protests
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000006660097/foreign-agents-and-terrorists-how-china-is-framing-hong-kongs-protests.html
Date: 20/08/2019 12:49:21
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425262
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
Foreign Agents and Terrorists: How China Is Framing Hong Kong’s Protests
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000006660097/foreign-agents-and-terrorists-how-china-is-framing-hong-kongs-protests.html
Retraining the protestors?
Date: 20/08/2019 12:50:13
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425263
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Foreign Agents and Terrorists: How China Is Framing Hong Kong’s Protests
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000006660097/foreign-agents-and-terrorists-how-china-is-framing-hong-kongs-protests.html
Retraining the protestors?
I mean
Will they retrain the protestors ?
Date: 20/08/2019 13:05:10
From: Cymek
ID: 1425269
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Foreign Agents and Terrorists: How China Is Framing Hong Kong’s Protests
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000006660097/foreign-agents-and-terrorists-how-china-is-framing-hong-kongs-protests.html
Retraining the protestors?
I mean
Will they retrain the protestors ?
Harvest organs and then bury them somewhere
Date: 20/08/2019 13:07:09
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1425273
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Foreign Agents and Terrorists: How China Is Framing Hong Kong’s Protests
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000006660097/foreign-agents-and-terrorists-how-china-is-framing-hong-kongs-protests.html
Retraining the protestors?
I mean
Will they retrain the protestors ?
Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.
Date: 20/08/2019 13:12:44
From: transition
ID: 1425274
Subject: re: Thread from chat
fairly sure thinking about thinking (unique to consciousness) influences sense of time, the feel of it
it comes with tricks, like you can merge (parts, or aspects of) two structures (say information, for starters) that previously through time were isolated, often by space, of cognitive tools (faculties) it’d be more domains maybe
so you sort of get additive or composite products (+ potentials), and understanding that comes with awareness of displacement
other animals probably ‘think’ more like people do in an emergency, there’s less (or no) deliberation, no mediation, indicated by an inner voice. Same or similar when you’re half asleep and wander into the kitchen, into the fridge, you can eat and apparently not think at all
drugs effect sense of time, probably in great part their attraction, reduce inhibitory mediation also
or sex, going to more the work of instincts, the conclusional highlights of sex aren’t greatly mediated
a sense of time (the displacement aspects) for humans is burdensome
i’d expect one of the accidental (happened upon) outcomes/features of the evolved mind is ways to make being around for a long time more tolerable, even enjoyable if you can manage it, a demanding, perhaps continuous task requiring some creativity for a conscious creature
Date: 20/08/2019 13:20:29
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425278
Subject: re: Thread from chat
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Retraining the protestors?
I mean
Will they retrain the protestors ?
Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.
The Chinese are clever
They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.
Date: 20/08/2019 13:21:44
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1425280
Subject: re: Thread from chat
School imposes time on children fairly abruptly.
Before the school years, time is something for the grownups to worry about. The child might be shepherded about but can enjoy the unfolding world without having to take responsibility for the passage of time.
School changes that. Conforming to time constraints increasingly becomes your own responsibility.
Date: 20/08/2019 13:23:09
From: Cymek
ID: 1425282
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I mean
Will they retrain the protestors ?
Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.
The Chinese are clever
They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.
I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.
Date: 20/08/2019 13:26:20
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1425286
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.
The Chinese are clever
They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.
I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.
More likely they congratulate themselves on how much more efficient they are at crushing any notions of individual freedom.
Date: 20/08/2019 13:28:01
From: Cymek
ID: 1425287
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Chinese are clever
They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.
I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.
More likely they congratulate themselves on how much more efficient they are at crushing any notions of individual freedom.
Yeah exactly became worse than what they set out to get rid of
Date: 20/08/2019 13:28:47
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425288
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.
The Chinese are clever
They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.
I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.
Yes, but I think its something deeper, like some sort of genetic generational inception.
Like a movie about one person controlling billions then someone else does the same thing.
And they keep doing that.
Date: 20/08/2019 13:30:24
From: Obviousman
ID: 1425290
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Sometimes it’s hard to distinguish who those people really are; some genuinely believe that their system is better and needs to be imposed on everyone. Others are simply in it for the power / wealth & don’t care who they smash to achieve their goals.
Date: 20/08/2019 13:30:30
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425291
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.
More likely they congratulate themselves on how much more efficient they are at crushing any notions of individual freedom.
Yeah exactly became worse than what they set out to get rid of
The Chinese are becoming Borg without even realising it.
Date: 20/08/2019 13:31:31
From: Obviousman
ID: 1425292
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Chinese are clever
They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.
I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.
Yes, but I think its something deeper, like some sort of genetic generational inception.
Like a movie about one person controlling billions then someone else does the same thing.
And they keep doing that.
Like that old joke: Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it is the other way around.
Date: 20/08/2019 13:34:16
From: Cymek
ID: 1425295
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Obviousman said:
Sometimes it’s hard to distinguish who those people really are; some genuinely believe that their system is better and needs to be imposed on everyone. Others are simply in it for the power / wealth & don’t care who they smash to achieve their goals.
I suppose if you crave power you are the wrong person for the job, even some power corrupts or attracts the corruptible
Date: 20/08/2019 13:35:48
From: Cymek
ID: 1425296
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Obviousman said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.
Yes, but I think its something deeper, like some sort of genetic generational inception.
Like a movie about one person controlling billions then someone else does the same thing.
And they keep doing that.
Like that old joke: Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it is the other way around.
Capitalism you have more freedom so authorities find sneakier ways to exploit you, communists don’t care so are perhaps much more obvious about it.
Date: 20/08/2019 13:39:01
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1425298
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I mean
Will they retrain the protestors ?
Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.
The Chinese are clever
They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.
If there were right wing nutters and Nazis running around the Chinese would get rid of them as well.
Date: 20/08/2019 13:45:40
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1425300
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.
The Chinese are clever
They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.
If there were right wing nutters and Nazis running around the Chinese would get rid of them as well.
The Chinese government are right wing nutters.
Date: 20/08/2019 15:11:03
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1425321
Subject: re: Thread from chat
dv said:
“Thread from chat” is not a suitable Subject line for a thread about Animals’ experience of time.
Poor foruming, 1.5 stars.
No option. Computer freezing so i coudn’t scroll back to find the start of the discussion.
Date: 20/08/2019 15:23:38
From: Michael V
ID: 1425332
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Obviousman said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
I wonder if the various communist nations look at their nation and think yes we achieved what we wanted and got rid of those despots who ruled with an iron fist and used the people as fodder.
Yes, but I think its something deeper, like some sort of genetic generational inception.
Like a movie about one person controlling billions then someone else does the same thing.
And they keep doing that.
Like that old joke: Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it is the other way around.
:)
Date: 21/08/2019 17:49:16
From: Ogmog
ID: 1425679
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I mean
Will they retrain the protestors ?
Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.
The Chinese are clever
They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.
‘Real Bodies: The Exhibition’, controversy about ‘disturbing’ origins of corpses
Date: 21/08/2019 17:54:22
From: Arts
ID: 1425680
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Ogmog said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Yes. They’ll be retrained as landfill.
The Chinese are clever
They get rid of protestors, criminals, religious people and troublemakers.
‘Real Bodies: The Exhibition’, controversy about ‘disturbing’ origins of corpses
that was pretty interesting news last year
Date: 21/08/2019 18:08:03
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1425682
Subject: re: Thread from chat
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
Ah, bowhead whales, at last we find out.
If you read the Animorph books (based on the tv series) they give a remarkably good rendition of what it’s like mentally to think like all those animals they change into – shrew, red-tailed hawk, dolphin, gorilla etc.
Date: 21/08/2019 18:16:34
From: Ogmog
ID: 1425684
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Tamb said:
dv said:
Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?
It was banned wasn’t it? Sounded horrible when he hit a ball with it.
They tried using Aluminium bats in pro baseball for a while
because fans were in danger of being injured by bits of bats
due to wooden bats shattering upon contact with the ball, but
not only did the fans object to the PING of the bat instead of
the familiar (and beloved) CRACK associated with “A Homer”
but the resultant “BUZZ” & STING was also proving injurious to
the Batsman’s hand and forearms to the point that the batsmen
almost DREADED the Bat coming in full contact with the Ball! D-x
side note: Aluminium bats are still used in school athletic venues to
prevent the possibility of becoming impaled by bits of shattered bat.
Date: 21/08/2019 18:43:50
From: sibeen
ID: 1425696
Subject: re: Thread from chat
Ogmog said:
Tamb said:
dv said:
Remember that aluminium bat that Lillee was using?
It was banned wasn’t it? Sounded horrible when he hit a ball with it.
They tried using Aluminium bats in pro baseball for a while
because fans were in danger of being injured by bits of bats
due to wooden bats shattering upon contact with the ball, but
not only did the fans object to the PING of the bat instead of
the familiar (and beloved) CRACK associated with “A Homer”
but the resultant “BUZZ” & STING was also proving injurious to
the Batsman’s hand and forearms to the point that the batsmen
almost DREADED the Bat coming in full contact with the Ball! D-x
side note: Aluminium bats are still used in school athletic venues to
prevent the possibility of becoming impaled by bits of shattered bat.
And cost. AL bats don’t break.
Date: 21/08/2019 19:42:25
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1425746
Subject: re: Thread from chat
mollwollfumble said:
dv said:
Heh, smbc have published a cartoon that appears to be a response to my question on what bowhead whales think about
Ah, bowhead whales, at last we find out.
If you read the Animorph books (based on the tv series) they give a remarkably good rendition of what it’s like mentally to think like all those animals they change into – shrew, red-tailed hawk, dolphin, gorilla etc.
A bowhead whale would have an excellent sense of smell. So most of it’s thoughts would be smell related, such as “someone’s set up an illegal tannery in that river that i’ve just passed 20 km off the coast” or “dang these lower pollution levels, now i can’t tell one river from the next” or “oh oh, orca pack feeding ahead”.
Date: 21/08/2019 19:48:01
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1425750
Subject: re: Thread from chat
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19211-how-does-a-bowhead-whale-smell-quite-well-actually/
Date: 24/08/2019 05:34:23
From: transition
ID: 1426841
Subject: re: Thread from chat
>Before the school years, time is something for the grownups to worry about. The child might be shepherded about but can enjoy the unfolding world without having to take responsibility for the passage of time.
imagines school setting
looks at clock …..ten minutes to lunch
looks a clock…….half our to hometime
hears bell
you very much learn you’ve got to do this to get that, the territory of instrumental desires, well that’s the idea, amongst it all are the tools of The Lie, the fact teach knows more about how minds ought work than do work, and the masters of ought conspire.