Date: 23/08/2019 02:01:38
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1426347
Subject: Modal time theory:...

Modal time theory: Understanding human existence through time travel and music

Time is a fundamental dimension of human existence and comes in many forms. Using a comparative approach, philosopher and physicist Norman Sieroka looks at what distinguishes them, using time travel and music.

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Date: 23/08/2019 09:32:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1426373
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Tau.Neutrino said:


Modal time theory: Understanding human existence through time travel and music

Time is a fundamental dimension of human existence and comes in many forms. Using a comparative approach, philosopher and physicist Norman Sieroka looks at what distinguishes them, using time travel and music.

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I don’t get why the time travel so called paradox thing is seen as a real problem.

Either time travel is possible or it isn’t.
If it isn’t there is no possible paradox.
If it is, either the past is fixed or it isn’t.
If it is fixed, you can’t prevent your parents from conceiving you, because that is what happened, and it is fixed. So no paradox.
If it isn’t fixed then there must be multiple timelines, in some of which your parents did not conceive you. So no paradox.

Seems pretty straightforward and non-paradoxical to me.

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Date: 23/08/2019 13:09:43
From: transition
ID: 1426433
Subject: re: Modal time theory:...

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Modal time theory: Understanding human existence through time travel and music

Time is a fundamental dimension of human existence and comes in many forms. Using a comparative approach, philosopher and physicist Norman Sieroka looks at what distinguishes them, using time travel and music.

more…

I don’t get why the time travel so called paradox thing is seen as a real problem.

Either time travel is possible or it isn’t.
If it isn’t there is no possible paradox.
If it is, either the past is fixed or it isn’t.
If it is fixed, you can’t prevent your parents from conceiving you, because that is what happened, and it is fixed. So no paradox.
If it isn’t fixed then there must be multiple timelines, in some of which your parents did not conceive you. So no paradox.

Seems pretty straightforward and non-paradoxical to me.

rest easy, for you and me that is what time does, thermodynamics in fact, so you can go back, meddling, interfering

(some) people get bored, they’d like time (the past) to yield to the work of their minds, but fortunately it becomes largely invisible, subject to the forgetory, the obliviator

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Date: 23/08/2019 13:10:36
From: transition
ID: 1426434
Subject: re: Modal time theory:...

transition said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Modal time theory: Understanding human existence through time travel and music

Time is a fundamental dimension of human existence and comes in many forms. Using a comparative approach, philosopher and physicist Norman Sieroka looks at what distinguishes them, using time travel and music.

more…

I don’t get why the time travel so called paradox thing is seen as a real problem.

Either time travel is possible or it isn’t.
If it isn’t there is no possible paradox.
If it is, either the past is fixed or it isn’t.
If it is fixed, you can’t prevent your parents from conceiving you, because that is what happened, and it is fixed. So no paradox.
If it isn’t fixed then there must be multiple timelines, in some of which your parents did not conceive you. So no paradox.

Seems pretty straightforward and non-paradoxical to me.

rest easy, for you and me that is what time does, thermodynamics in fact, so you can go back, meddling, interfering

(some) people get bored, they’d like time (the past) to yield to the work of their minds, but fortunately it becomes largely invisible, subject to the forgetory, the obliviator

make that can’t go back

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Date: 23/08/2019 13:27:34
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1426443
Subject: re: Modal time theory:...

transition said:


transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I don’t get why the time travel so called paradox thing is seen as a real problem.

Either time travel is possible or it isn’t.
If it isn’t there is no possible paradox.
If it is, either the past is fixed or it isn’t.
If it is fixed, you can’t prevent your parents from conceiving you, because that is what happened, and it is fixed. So no paradox.
If it isn’t fixed then there must be multiple timelines, in some of which your parents did not conceive you. So no paradox.

Seems pretty straightforward and non-paradoxical to me.

rest easy, for you and me that is what time does, thermodynamics in fact, so you can go back, meddling, interfering

(some) people get bored, they’d like time (the past) to yield to the work of their minds, but fortunately it becomes largely invisible, subject to the forgetory, the obliviator

make that can’t go back

Well we don’t actually know that it is impossible.

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Date: 23/08/2019 14:24:40
From: transition
ID: 1426462
Subject: re: Modal time theory:...

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

transition said:

rest easy, for you and me that is what time does, thermodynamics in fact, so you can go back, meddling, interfering

(some) people get bored, they’d like time (the past) to yield to the work of their minds, but fortunately it becomes largely invisible, subject to the forgetory, the obliviator

make that can’t go back

Well we don’t actually know that it is impossible.

I haven’t seen any evidence, that it’s been done, or’s likely possible

not sure what a we might do, or could do, powers multiplied

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Date: 23/08/2019 15:01:12
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1426483
Subject: re: Modal time theory:...

Some thoughts.

Doesn’t time slow down around a black hole?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole

To a distant observer, clocks near a black hole would appear to tick more slowly than those further away from the black hole. Due to this effect, known as gravitational time dilation, an object falling into a black hole appears to slow as it approaches the event horizon, taking an infinite time to reach it.

Im not quite sure of gravitational time dilation but I think time behaves differently at different scales, Mollwollfumble would know.

Time behaviour around the whole universe.

Time behaviour around a large BH.

Time behaviour at the atomic level.

Time behaviour at the quantum level.

The quantum level is different to the atomic level, our level (BHs ,stars & planets) is different to the atomic level, the next level up is the large scale structure of the universe, the next level up again is the whole universe.

The spooky interaction of things at a distance is a property of the quantum world.

see

Einstein’s ‘spooky action at a distance spotted in objects almost big enough to see
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/04/einstein-s-spooky-action-distance-spotted-objects-almost-big-enough-see

One of the strangest aspects of quantum physics is entanglement: If you observe a particle in one place, another particle—even one light-years away—will instantly change its properties, as if the two are connected by a mysterious communication channel. Scientists have observed this phenomenon in tiny objects such as atoms and electrons. But in two new studies, researchers report seeing entanglement in devices nearly visible to the naked eye.

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Date: 23/08/2019 15:07:26
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1426491
Subject: re: Modal time theory:...

Time is effected by Gravity at each level or realm. (scale)

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Date: 23/08/2019 15:22:34
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1426508
Subject: re: Modal time theory:...

>>>Im not quite sure of gravitational time dilation but I think time behaves differently at different scales, Mollwollfumble would know.

I stuffed that up

Im not quite sure of how time behaves at different scales or if its gravitational time dilation at different scales, Mollwollfumble would know.

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Date: 23/08/2019 15:27:10
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1426513
Subject: re: Modal time theory:...

> Mollwollfumble would know.

Ze would?

OK. I’ll think about it. A lot to think about there.

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Date: 23/08/2019 19:15:05
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1426660
Subject: re: Modal time theory:...

mollwollfumble said:


> Mollwollfumble would know.

Ze would?

OK. I’ll think about it. A lot to think about there.

OK. I’ve thought about it.

> False Metaphors

The title of the paper “False Metaphors” neatly sums up its content.

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Date: 24/08/2019 08:56:15
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1426853
Subject: re: Modal time theory:...

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Modal time theory: Understanding human existence through time travel and music

Time is a fundamental dimension of human existence and comes in many forms. Using a comparative approach, philosopher and physicist Norman Sieroka looks at what distinguishes them, using time travel and music.

more…

I don’t get why the time travel so called paradox thing is seen as a real problem.

Either time travel is possible or it isn’t.
If it isn’t there is no possible paradox.
If it is, either the past is fixed or it isn’t.
If it is fixed, you can’t prevent your parents from conceiving you, because that is what happened, and it is fixed. So no paradox.
If it isn’t fixed then there must be multiple timelines, in some of which your parents did not conceive you. So no paradox.

Seems pretty straightforward and non-paradoxical to me.

A good summary.

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