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Brexit: Bill designed to stop no-deal ‘will clear Lords’

The government has said a bill to stop a no-deal Brexit will complete its passage through the Lords on Friday.
The proposed legislation was passed by MPs on Wednesday, inflicting a defeat on Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
There were fears pro-Brexit peers could deliberately hold up the bill so it could not get royal assent before Parliament is prorogued next week.
But the Conservative chief whip in the Lords announced a breakthrough in the early hours after talks with Labour.
The peers sat until 01:30 BST, holding a series of amendment votes which appeared to support predictions that a marathon filibuster session – designed to derail the bill – was under way.

But then Lord Ashton of Hyde made his announcement that all stages of the bill would be completed in the Lords by 17:00 BST on Friday.
He added that the Commons chief whip had also given a commitment that MPs will consider any Lords amendments on Monday and that the government intends that the “bill will be ready to be present for Royal Assent”.
The gaining of Royal Assent for the bill was a requirement that Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said his party would need before it considered backing Mr Johnson’s call for a general election.
Baroness Smith, Labour leader in the House of Lords, confirmed the opposition supported the move in the Lords overnight, and said she hoped there would be “no further frustrations” of the bill as it goes through all its stages on Friday.
“It has been quite a night. It has been a long debate – and I am grateful to the noble Lords who have stayed the course – it shows the importance of the work we do and the issue we are debating,” she said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49588186

So if Labour now agree it is off to the polls we go?

sibeen said:

So if Labour now agree it is off to the polls we go?

I’m not making predictions. Another outcome is that BJ loses a confidence vote

There has been precisely one UK Prime Minister who went to a Comprehensive high school, which was Gordon Brown.

In fairness, though, some of the early 20th century ones went to fairly humble parish schools, including MacDonald and George.

dv said:

There has been precisely one UK Prime Minister who went to a Comprehensive high school, which was Gordon Brown.

In fairness, though, some of the early 20th century ones went to fairly humble parish schools, including MacDonald and George.

… and he is the only one to complete a PhD.

dv said:

Jolly good.

In fairness there’s been a good spell since Heath where most PMs have not been to elite boarding schools.

dv said:

lol

+1

sibeen said:

So if Labour now agree it is off to the polls we go?

No. This new bill gives BoJo up to the 18th of October to conclude a deal with Europe. If no deal is reached in that time, he must ask the EU for an extension. Only when the the no deal by default on 31 October cliff edge gets kicked along by the EU for another few months will they agree to an election.

Jo Johnson is Boris’s brother

200000 people have registered to vote in the last 72 hours in the UK, mostly under 35 years of age
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49592410

dv said:

200000 people have registered to vote in the last 72 hours in the UK, mostly under 35 years of age
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49592410

:)

200,000.

When numbers get serious.

Boris Johnson claims he would ‘rather be dead in a ditch’ than negotiate Brexit extension
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-dead-ditch-extension-election-police-yorkshire-a9093501.html

By 2020 the EU will bring in a law instructing anyone with off shore accounts and investments to disclose them to enable full scrutiny so they can no longer get away with tax avoidance and evasion.

Question: What does Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, Brexit financier Arron Banks and right-wing media owners Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay have in common?

You might think the answer is simple; they’re all hugely influential pro-Leave backers. But the reality is far more sinister.

All of the aforementioned personalities were caught up in the Paradise Papers leak in 2017.

Rees-Mogg, who took up the position of Leader of the House of Commons under Boris Johnson’s administration, was found to have pocketed $680,000 while working for an offshore investment firm.

While Aaron Banks, who donated £8.5 million to Nigel Farage and his campaign to leave Europe, is part owner of a bank on the Isle of Man which turns over millions of pounds a year.

The Barclay brothers, owners of the Daily Telegraph, were found to have interests in Bermuda-based Reid Finance Ltd, and both Andrea Leadsom’s husband and brother-in-law were caught up in the scandal.

Although there’s nothing new in finding high-profile political personalities with dubious financial pasts, it does raise a question over their motivations for leaving the European Union.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/a-reminder-of-all-the-brexiteers-who-appeared-in-the-paradise-papers-as-eu-tax-avoidance-legislation-looms/03/09/?fbclid=IwAR3xuuluV9kws_Mx9uy41KCEwDruEGWFHeBXlls05B8cDfR3pzJPgMqKxWA

dv said:

By 2020 the EU will bring in a law instructing anyone with off shore accounts and investments to disclose them to enable full scrutiny so they can no longer get away with tax avoidance and evasion.

Question: What does Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, Brexit financier Arron Banks and right-wing media owners Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay have in common?

You might think the answer is simple; they’re all hugely influential pro-Leave backers. But the reality is far more sinister.

All of the aforementioned personalities were caught up in the Paradise Papers leak in 2017.

Rees-Mogg, who took up the position of Leader of the House of Commons under Boris Johnson’s administration, was found to have pocketed $680,000 while working for an offshore investment firm.

While Aaron Banks, who donated £8.5 million to Nigel Farage and his campaign to leave Europe, is part owner of a bank on the Isle of Man which turns over millions of pounds a year.

The Barclay brothers, owners of the Daily Telegraph, were found to have interests in Bermuda-based Reid Finance Ltd, and both Andrea Leadsom’s husband and brother-in-law were caught up in the scandal.

Although there’s nothing new in finding high-profile political personalities with dubious financial pasts, it does raise a question over their motivations for leaving the European Union.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/a-reminder-of-all-the-brexiteers-who-appeared-in-the-paradise-papers-as-eu-tax-avoidance-legislation-looms/03/09/?fbclid=IwAR3xuuluV9kws_Mx9uy41KCEwDruEGWFHeBXlls05B8cDfR3pzJPgMqKxWA

Yes.

dv said:

By 2020 the EU will bring in a law instructing anyone with off shore accounts and investments to disclose them to enable full scrutiny so they can no longer get away with tax avoidance and evasion.

Question: What does Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, Brexit financier Arron Banks and right-wing media owners Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay have in common?

You might think the answer is simple; they’re all hugely influential pro-Leave backers. But the reality is far more sinister.

All of the aforementioned personalities were caught up in the Paradise Papers leak in 2017.

Rees-Mogg, who took up the position of Leader of the House of Commons under Boris Johnson’s administration, was found to have pocketed $680,000 while working for an offshore investment firm.

While Aaron Banks, who donated £8.5 million to Nigel Farage and his campaign to leave Europe, is part owner of a bank on the Isle of Man which turns over millions of pounds a year.

The Barclay brothers, owners of the Daily Telegraph, were found to have interests in Bermuda-based Reid Finance Ltd, and both Andrea Leadsom’s husband and brother-in-law were caught up in the scandal.

Although there’s nothing new in finding high-profile political personalities with dubious financial pasts, it does raise a question over their motivations for leaving the European Union.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/a-reminder-of-all-the-brexiteers-who-appeared-in-the-paradise-papers-as-eu-tax-avoidance-legislation-looms/03/09/?fbclid=IwAR3xuuluV9kws_Mx9uy41KCEwDruEGWFHeBXlls05B8cDfR3pzJPgMqKxWA

interesting angle

dv said:

By 2020 the EU will bring in a law instructing anyone with off shore accounts and investments to disclose them to enable full scrutiny so they can no longer get away with tax avoidance and evasion.

Question: What does Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, Brexit financier Arron Banks and right-wing media owners Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay have in common?

You might think the answer is simple; they’re all hugely influential pro-Leave backers. But the reality is far more sinister.

All of the aforementioned personalities were caught up in the Paradise Papers leak in 2017.

Rees-Mogg, who took up the position of Leader of the House of Commons under Boris Johnson’s administration, was found to have pocketed $680,000 while working for an offshore investment firm.

While Aaron Banks, who donated £8.5 million to Nigel Farage and his campaign to leave Europe, is part owner of a bank on the Isle of Man which turns over millions of pounds a year.

The Barclay brothers, owners of the Daily Telegraph, were found to have interests in Bermuda-based Reid Finance Ltd, and both Andrea Leadsom’s husband and brother-in-law were caught up in the scandal.

Although there’s nothing new in finding high-profile political personalities with dubious financial pasts, it does raise a question over their motivations for leaving the European Union.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/a-reminder-of-all-the-brexiteers-who-appeared-in-the-paradise-papers-as-eu-tax-avoidance-legislation-looms/03/09/?fbclid=IwAR3xuuluV9kws_Mx9uy41KCEwDruEGWFHeBXlls05B8cDfR3pzJPgMqKxWA

When you say R-M “pocketed” that money, do you mean he stole it, or was that his salary for services provided?

transition said:

dv said:

By 2020 the EU will bring in a law instructing anyone with off shore accounts and investments to disclose them to enable full scrutiny so they can no longer get away with tax avoidance and evasion.

Question: What does Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, Brexit financier Arron Banks and right-wing media owners Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay have in common?

You might think the answer is simple; they’re all hugely influential pro-Leave backers. But the reality is far more sinister.

All of the aforementioned personalities were caught up in the Paradise Papers leak in 2017.

Rees-Mogg, who took up the position of Leader of the House of Commons under Boris Johnson’s administration, was found to have pocketed $680,000 while working for an offshore investment firm.

While Aaron Banks, who donated £8.5 million to Nigel Farage and his campaign to leave Europe, is part owner of a bank on the Isle of Man which turns over millions of pounds a year.

The Barclay brothers, owners of the Daily Telegraph, were found to have interests in Bermuda-based Reid Finance Ltd, and both Andrea Leadsom’s husband and brother-in-law were caught up in the scandal.

Although there’s nothing new in finding high-profile political personalities with dubious financial pasts, it does raise a question over their motivations for leaving the European Union.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/a-reminder-of-all-the-brexiteers-who-appeared-in-the-paradise-papers-as-eu-tax-avoidance-legislation-looms/03/09/?fbclid=IwAR3xuuluV9kws_Mx9uy41KCEwDruEGWFHeBXlls05B8cDfR3pzJPgMqKxWA

interesting angle

it is more than likely the real story.

And Rupert’s reason for headlines.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

By 2020 the EU will bring in a law instructing anyone with off shore accounts and investments to disclose them to enable full scrutiny so they can no longer get away with tax avoidance and evasion.

Question: What does Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, Brexit financier Arron Banks and right-wing media owners Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay have in common?

You might think the answer is simple; they’re all hugely influential pro-Leave backers. But the reality is far more sinister.

All of the aforementioned personalities were caught up in the Paradise Papers leak in 2017.

Rees-Mogg, who took up the position of Leader of the House of Commons under Boris Johnson’s administration, was found to have pocketed $680,000 while working for an offshore investment firm.

While Aaron Banks, who donated £8.5 million to Nigel Farage and his campaign to leave Europe, is part owner of a bank on the Isle of Man which turns over millions of pounds a year.

The Barclay brothers, owners of the Daily Telegraph, were found to have interests in Bermuda-based Reid Finance Ltd, and both Andrea Leadsom’s husband and brother-in-law were caught up in the scandal.

Although there’s nothing new in finding high-profile political personalities with dubious financial pasts, it does raise a question over their motivations for leaving the European Union.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/a-reminder-of-all-the-brexiteers-who-appeared-in-the-paradise-papers-as-eu-tax-avoidance-legislation-looms/03/09/?fbclid=IwAR3xuuluV9kws_Mx9uy41KCEwDruEGWFHeBXlls05B8cDfR3pzJPgMqKxWA

When you say R-M “pocketed” that money, do you mean he stole it, or was that his salary for services provided?

I shall forward your questions on to the London Economic sub-editor

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

dv said:

By 2020 the EU will bring in a law instructing anyone with off shore accounts and investments to disclose them to enable full scrutiny so they can no longer get away with tax avoidance and evasion.

Question: What does Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, Brexit financier Arron Banks and right-wing media owners Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay have in common?

You might think the answer is simple; they’re all hugely influential pro-Leave backers. But the reality is far more sinister.

All of the aforementioned personalities were caught up in the Paradise Papers leak in 2017.

Rees-Mogg, who took up the position of Leader of the House of Commons under Boris Johnson’s administration, was found to have pocketed $680,000 while working for an offshore investment firm.

While Aaron Banks, who donated £8.5 million to Nigel Farage and his campaign to leave Europe, is part owner of a bank on the Isle of Man which turns over millions of pounds a year.

The Barclay brothers, owners of the Daily Telegraph, were found to have interests in Bermuda-based Reid Finance Ltd, and both Andrea Leadsom’s husband and brother-in-law were caught up in the scandal.

Although there’s nothing new in finding high-profile political personalities with dubious financial pasts, it does raise a question over their motivations for leaving the European Union.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/a-reminder-of-all-the-brexiteers-who-appeared-in-the-paradise-papers-as-eu-tax-avoidance-legislation-looms/03/09/?fbclid=IwAR3xuuluV9kws_Mx9uy41KCEwDruEGWFHeBXlls05B8cDfR3pzJPgMqKxWA

interesting angle

it is more than likely the real story.

And Rupert’s reason for headlines.

yeah I can see the tax men going global eventually, too, you know the world getting smaller, too small for some, so breaking it up I guess has (may have) the opposite effect

Sinn Fein has said it is willing to co-operate with pro-Remain parties to challenge DUP in the next election.

Party vice-president Michelle O’Neill said they would be open to working with “progressive” parties to maximise the chances of taking seats in Northern Ireland.

She said the party wants to ensure their voice is heard strongly and that the Good Friday Agreement is protected.

She added that Northern Ireland “voted to remain and there is nothing good to come from Brexit”.

Asked whether the party would be prepared to stand aside in certain constituencies to give another pro-Remain candidate a better chance of taking a seat from the DUP, she replied:

“The party will clearly have to discuss all of those things, but what I have said is we have clearly stood on a progressive agenda of working with other parties, where we can send out a very clear message that we say no to Brexit, that we want to protect the Good Friday Agreement and that people here voted to remain – that will guide us through the conversations and discussions that may occur.”

O’Neill was at Stormont to chair an election planning meeting with party colleagues.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/sinn-fein-willing-to-co-operate-with-pro-remain-parties-to-challenge-dup/05/09/

This is significant news. Normally Sinn Fein won’t play ball.

Of course if they really wanted to help, they’d show up in the Commons

dv said:

Sinn Fein has said it is willing to co-operate with pro-Remain parties to challenge DUP in the next election.

Party vice-president Michelle O’Neill said they would be open to working with “progressive” parties to maximise the chances of taking seats in Northern Ireland.

She said the party wants to ensure their voice is heard strongly and that the Good Friday Agreement is protected.

She added that Northern Ireland “voted to remain and there is nothing good to come from Brexit”.

Asked whether the party would be prepared to stand aside in certain constituencies to give another pro-Remain candidate a better chance of taking a seat from the DUP, she replied:

“The party will clearly have to discuss all of those things, but what I have said is we have clearly stood on a progressive agenda of working with other parties, where we can send out a very clear message that we say no to Brexit, that we want to protect the Good Friday Agreement and that people here voted to remain – that will guide us through the conversations and discussions that may occur.”

O’Neill was at Stormont to chair an election planning meeting with party colleagues.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/sinn-fein-willing-to-co-operate-with-pro-remain-parties-to-challenge-dup/05/09/

This is significant news. Normally Sinn Fein won’t play ball.

Of course if they really wanted to help, they’d show up in the Commons

Yeah, that ain’t gunna happen.

sarahs mum said:

The smaller sub headline is the important bit. The shouty words of the main part of the headline are meaningless.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

The smaller sub headline is the important bit. The shouty words of the main part of the headline are meaningless.

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/09/05/sun-front-page-england-scotland/

sarahs mum said:

LOL

Peak Warming Man said:

Mogg Is Legend.

esselte said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Mogg Is Legend.

Oh dear.

ruby said:

esselte said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Mogg Is Legend.

Oh dear.

A very “upper-class” sentiment you have expressed!

esselte said:

ruby said:

esselte said:

Mogg Is Legend.

Oh dear.

A very “upper-class” sentiment you have expressed!

‘‘Class’‘ you say.
Poor Moggy’s hands tell a story of their own there.

ruby said:

esselte said:

ruby said:

Oh dear.

A very “upper-class” sentiment you have expressed!

‘‘Class’‘ you say.
Poor Moggy’s hands tell a story of their own there.

I was commenting on the irony of your post.

JRM is quintessentially “British”, in terms of being an upper-class mogg….

Social stratifaction in the UK is a “thing”’. Someone from the upper classes would likely make a comment of “Oh dear” in regards to such a GIF, whilst the lower classes are more likely to say something like “WTF….look at this wanker”.

Tory grandee Sir Nicholas Soames has launched a searing attack on Boris Johnson’s leadership and Jacob Rees-Mogg, whom he called a “fraud”, adding the Conservative party is lurching towards a divisive, potentially catastrophic form of “hard-right” conservatism.

In an interview with the Times, Soames – who is the grandson of Sir Winston Churchill – said the Conservatives were starting to resemble a “Brexit sect”, after he had the whip removed for rebelling against the Johnson government along with 20 other MPs.

“I am worried about the Tory party because give or take the odd spasm we have always been seen as pragmatic, sensible, good at our job, sane, reasonable and having the interests of the whole country,” he said. “Now it is beginning to look like a Brexit sect.”

Soames rejected comparisons between his grandfather and Johnson, saying the prime minister has never been regarded as “a diplomat or statesman” and his life experience amounts to “telling a lot of porkies about the European Union in Brussels and then becoming prime minister”.

He singled out Jacob Rees-Mogg, calling his recent actions in the Commons “repulsive” and beneath the leader of the house. Rees-Mogg was criticised by Caroline Lucas for lounging on the benches of the Commons during a debate. “The leader of the house has been spread across three seats, lying out as if that was something very boring for him to listen to tonight,” she said.

Soames called Rees-Mogg an “absolute fraud” who is “a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice and a bit of ginger stuck up his arse”.

He also spoke about his concerns for the future of his party, saying that he feared a schism, with many liberal Conservatives turning their backs on the “very hard-right Tory” version of the party that is taking shape under Johnson.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/sir-nicholas-soames-says-tories-started-resembling-brexit-sect-boris-johnson-jacob-rees-mogg

dv said:

“I am worried about the Tory party because give or take the odd spasm we have always been seen as pragmatic, sensible, good at our job, sane, reasonable and having the interests of the whole country,” he said.

I don’t know about that one.

dv said:

Soames called Rees-Mogg an “absolute fraud” who is “a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice and a bit of ginger stuck up his arse”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/sir-nicholas-soames-says-tories-started-resembling-brexit-sect-boris-johnson-jacob-rees-mogg

Can’t argue with that though.

shit eh

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49623737

Amber Rudd has quit the cabinet and surrendered the Conservative whip saying she cannot “stand by” while “moderate Conservatives are expelled”.

The Work and Pensions Secretary said she no longer believed leaving the EU with a deal was the government’s “main objective”.

Ms Rudd described the sacking of 21 Tory MPs on Tuesday as an “assault on decency and democracy”.

No 10 said it was “disappointed” by the resignation of a “talented” minister.

But a spokesperson added that “all ministers who joined the Cabinet signed up to leaving the EU on 31 October come what may”.

A senior government source said “resignations to chase headlines won’t change the fact that people want Brexit done so that government can deliver on domestic priorities”.

Labour said Ms Rudd’s resignation showed the government was “falling apart”.

The MP for Hastings and Rye, who supported Remain in the 2016 referendum, said her resignation had been “a difficult decision”.

“I will be considering my position – whether I will stand as an independent Conservative should there be an election coming up,” she told the Sunday Times.

shit eh

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/boris-johnson-could-trigger-constitutional-crisis-over-brexit-law

If PM fails to comply with anti-no deal act, he could face jail, legal experts warn

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

“I am worried about the Tory party because give or take the odd spasm we have always been seen as pragmatic, sensible, good at our job, sane, reasonable and having the interests of the whole country,” he said.

I don’t know about that one.

dv said:

Soames called Rees-Mogg an “absolute fraud” who is “a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice and a bit of ginger stuck up his arse”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/sir-nicholas-soames-says-tories-started-resembling-brexit-sect-boris-johnson-jacob-rees-mogg

Can’t argue with that though.

Although I was surprised.

The other thing to watch out for is for the EU to simply unilaterally extend the deadline beyond 31 October. They can do this by arguing that they are not yet in a position to fully cope with it and need more time to make the necessary arrangements.

If this happens, and parliament once again seize control of the House agenda to approve and accept the extension then Boris is sunk.

It’s like watching a very slow train crash.

party_pants said:

The other thing to watch out for is for the EU to simply unilaterally extend the deadline beyond 31 October. They can do this by arguing that they are not yet in a position to fully cope with it and need more time to make the necessary arrangements.

If this happens, and parliament once again seize control of the House agenda to approve and accept the extension then Boris is sunk.

It’s hard to see any kind of good ending here for BoJo.

dv said:

party_pants said:

The other thing to watch out for is for the EU to simply unilaterally extend the deadline beyond 31 October. They can do this by arguing that they are not yet in a position to fully cope with it and need more time to make the necessary arrangements.

If this happens, and parliament once again seize control of the House agenda to approve and accept the extension then Boris is sunk.

It’s hard to see any kind of good ending here for BoJo.

My prediction back in Feb was that Brexit will never happen. I’m still happy to stick with that.

If it destroys the political career of BoJo and a few of his ilk, and tarnishes the far right too… then so much the better.

I know I’m a bit slow, and don’t keep up with international politics as well as some here do, but I seem to recall the Conservatives had a majority of 1 when BoJo took control; he’s sacked 21, and several others have resigned. Doesn’t that mean they no longer have a majority and can therefore no longer claim to be in power?

btm said:

I know I’m a bit slow, and don’t keep up with international politics as well as some here do, but I seem to recall the Conservatives had a majority of 1 when BoJo took control; he’s sacked 21, and several others have resigned. Doesn’t that mean they no longer have a majority and can therefore no longer claim to be in power?

This is correct, and there could be a confidence vote at any time, theoretically

btm said:

I know I’m a bit slow, and don’t keep up with international politics as well as some here do, but I seem to recall the Conservatives had a majority of 1 when BoJo took control; he’s sacked 21, and several others have resigned. Doesn’t that mean they no longer have a majority and can therefore no longer claim to be in power?

Yes. It is a minority government.

Parliament can act to vote BoJo out as PM. Trick is they have to find a replacement they can all agree on within 14 days. Otherwise it goes to a general election. They don’t want to crash out of the EU by default while the election campaign is going on. The aim of everyone else in the House is to extend the deadline beyond 31 October, then have an election.

I have things to ask/say to Curve, Arts and MV.

Yo, any of y’all around?

Divine Angel said:

I have things to ask/say to Curve, Arts and MV.

Yo, any of y’all around?

Sorry.

Divine Angel said:

Divine Angel said:

I have things to ask/say to Curve, Arts and MV.

Yo, any of y’all around?

Sorry.

Makes drinky drinky motion.

Divine Angel said:

I have things to ask/say to Curve, Arts and MV.

Yo, any of y’all around?

Present for a few moments.

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

I have things to ask/say to Curve, Arts and MV.

Yo, any of y’all around?

Present for a few moments.

Back & exhausted.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9884955/boris-johnson-popularity-falls-brexit/

Boris Johnson’s popularity dented by turbulent week as Tory lead over Labour shrinks, exclusive poll reveals

BORIS Johnson’s popularity has been dented by the most turbulent week in modern politics, an exclusive poll reveals.

The PM’s personal rating has collapsed and his party’s lead over Labour has shrunk to just three points.

Ed Shackle writes: I’m A Tory Member, And Right Now Our Party Is A Laughing Stock.

BREXIT! A few tiny things stand between Remainaggedon and the UK bravely leaving the EU
First Dog on the Moon

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/09/brexit-a-few-tiny-things-stand-between-remainaggedon-and-the-uk-bravely-leaving-the-eu

dv said:

Scotland should take this opportunity to sneak away.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Scotland should take this opportunity to sneak away.

Wouldn’t that be self-defeating? If Brexit goes ahead then Scottish independence would mean hard borders. I suspect that would really clag up the Scottish economy.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Scotland should take this opportunity to sneak away.

Wouldn’t that be self-defeating? If Brexit goes ahead then Scottish independence would mean hard borders. I suspect that would really clag up the Scottish economy.

they’ve always got the Auld Alliance she says with her tongue almost engaged in cheek.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Scotland should take this opportunity to sneak away.

Wouldn’t that be self-defeating? If Brexit goes ahead then Scottish independence would mean hard borders. I suspect that would really clag up the Scottish economy.

they’ve always got the Auld Alliance she says with her tongue almost engaged in cheek.

And Bonnie Prince Charlie :)

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Wouldn’t that be self-defeating? If Brexit goes ahead then Scottish independence would mean hard borders. I suspect that would really clag up the Scottish economy.

they’ve always got the Auld Alliance she says with her tongue almost engaged in cheek.

And Bonnie Prince Charlie :)

There should be more porogation of.. anything really.

I like to say porogue.. po ro gue.. pO rrO gg

sibeen said:

Wouldn’t that be self-defeating? If Brexit goes ahead then Scottish independence would mean hard borders. I suspect that would really clag up the Scottish economy.

They have to choose between hard borders with England or hard borders with the EU. One of those is a much bigger market.

Ian said:

There should be more porogation of.. anything really.

I like to say porogue.. po ro gue.. pO rrO gg

It’s prorogue

dv said:

sibeen said:

Wouldn’t that be self-defeating? If Brexit goes ahead then Scottish independence would mean hard borders. I suspect that would really clag up the Scottish economy.

They have to choose between hard borders with England or hard borders with the EU. One of those is a much bigger market.

And the other is a hard border on their actual land. That’s a bit harder to handle. Keeping all those sassenachs out will be a bugger.

sibeen said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

Wouldn’t that be self-defeating? If Brexit goes ahead then Scottish independence would mean hard borders. I suspect that would really clag up the Scottish economy.

They have to choose between hard borders with England or hard borders with the EU. One of those is a much bigger market.

And the other is a hard border on their actual land. That’s a bit harder to handle. Keeping all those sassenachs out will be a bugger.

Probably depends on how far down the gurgler the UK goes…

sibeen said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

Wouldn’t that be self-defeating? If Brexit goes ahead then Scottish independence would mean hard borders. I suspect that would really clag up the Scottish economy.

They have to choose between hard borders with England or hard borders with the EU. One of those is a much bigger market.

And the other is a hard border on their actual land. That’s a bit harder to handle. Keeping all those sassenachs out will be a bugger.

There is so much of Scotland that is owned by people who live in London and have their holidays in a stately home with equestrian facilities.So many farmers pay rent.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

They have to choose between hard borders with England or hard borders with the EU. One of those is a much bigger market.

And the other is a hard border on their actual land. That’s a bit harder to handle. Keeping all those sassenachs out will be a bugger.

There is so much of Scotland that is owned by people who live in London and have their holidays in a stately home with equestrian facilities.So many farmers pay rent.

Land reform!

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

They have to choose between hard borders with England or hard borders with the EU. One of those is a much bigger market.

And the other is a hard border on their actual land. That’s a bit harder to handle. Keeping all those sassenachs out will be a bugger.

There is so much of Scotland that is owned by people who live in London and have their holidays in a stately home with equestrian facilities.So many farmers pay rent.

They reckon it’s the grouse.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

They have to choose between hard borders with England or hard borders with the EU. One of those is a much bigger market.

And the other is a hard border on their actual land. That’s a bit harder to handle. Keeping all those sassenachs out will be a bugger.

There is so much of Scotland that is owned by people who live in London and have their holidays in a stately home with equestrian facilities.So many farmers pay rent.

Scotland’s biggest trading partner continues to be rest of UK. The Scottish Government’s annual trade statistics (‘Export Statistics Scotland’) show that in 2016 Scotland exported more than £45 billion in goods and services to England, Wales and Northern Ireland – while exports to the EU total £12.7 billion.Jan 24, 2018

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

They have to choose between hard borders with England or hard borders with the EU. One of those is a much bigger market.

And the other is a hard border on their actual land. That’s a bit harder to handle. Keeping all those sassenachs out will be a bugger.

There is so much of Scotland that is owned by people who live in London and have their holidays in a stately home with equestrian facilities.So many farmers pay rent.

Will they kick that German broad out of Balmoral when the time comes?

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

And the other is a hard border on their actual land. That’s a bit harder to handle. Keeping all those sassenachs out will be a bugger.

There is so much of Scotland that is owned by people who live in London and have their holidays in a stately home with equestrian facilities.So many farmers pay rent.

Scotland’s biggest trading partner continues to be rest of UK. The Scottish Government’s annual trade statistics (‘Export Statistics Scotland’) show that in 2016 Scotland exported more than £45 billion in goods and services to England, Wales and Northern Ireland – while exports to the EU total £12.7 billion.Jan 24, 2018

Trade with other UK nations makes up a majority of Scottish trade, and when services are included in the statistics, Scotland is shown to have an overall net trade deficit.Mar 20, 2018

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

There is so much of Scotland that is owned by people who live in London and have their holidays in a stately home with equestrian facilities.So many farmers pay rent.

Scotland’s biggest trading partner continues to be rest of UK. The Scottish Government’s annual trade statistics (‘Export Statistics Scotland’) show that in 2016 Scotland exported more than £45 billion in goods and services to England, Wales and Northern Ireland – while exports to the EU total £12.7 billion.Jan 24, 2018

Trade with other UK nations makes up a majority of Scottish trade, and when services are included in the statistics, Scotland is shown to have an overall net trade deficit.Mar 20, 2018

A substantial amount of North sea crude bypasses Scotland and is not included in the sums.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

And the other is a hard border on their actual land. That’s a bit harder to handle. Keeping all those sassenachs out will be a bugger.

There is so much of Scotland that is owned by people who live in London and have their holidays in a stately home with equestrian facilities.So many farmers pay rent.

Will they kick that German broad out of Balmoral when the time comes?

Maybe she’ll pack it all in and retire up there rather than read BJ’s speech

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

There is so much of Scotland that is owned by people who live in London and have their holidays in a stately home with equestrian facilities.So many farmers pay rent.

Scotland’s biggest trading partner continues to be rest of UK. The Scottish Government’s annual trade statistics (‘Export Statistics Scotland’) show that in 2016 Scotland exported more than £45 billion in goods and services to England, Wales and Northern Ireland – while exports to the EU total £12.7 billion.Jan 24, 2018

Trade with other UK nations makes up a majority of Scottish trade, and when services are included in the statistics, Scotland is shown to have an overall net trade deficit.Mar 20, 2018

The money that central government has to spend, collectively called the Scottish Consolidated Fund, comes from the following sources: block grant from the UK Government. EU funds. Scottish income tax (collected by HMRC)

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

Scotland’s biggest trading partner continues to be rest of UK. The Scottish Government’s annual trade statistics (‘Export Statistics Scotland’) show that in 2016 Scotland exported more than £45 billion in goods and services to England, Wales and Northern Ireland – while exports to the EU total £12.7 billion.Jan 24, 2018

Trade with other UK nations makes up a majority of Scottish trade, and when services are included in the statistics, Scotland is shown to have an overall net trade deficit.Mar 20, 2018

A substantial amount of North sea crude bypasses Scotland and is not included in the sums.

In 2017-18, the approximate sales value of oil and gas produced in Scotland is estimated to be £20.0 billion.Sep 12, 2018

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

Trade with other UK nations makes up a majority of Scottish trade, and when services are included in the statistics, Scotland is shown to have an overall net trade deficit.Mar 20, 2018

A substantial amount of North sea crude bypasses Scotland and is not included in the sums.

In 2017-18, the approximate sales value of oil and gas produced in Scotland is estimated to be £20.0 billion.Sep 12, 2018

But only the crude that lands in Scotland is counted there. If it doesn’t land in Scotland it isn’t in the figures.

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

A substantial amount of North sea crude bypasses Scotland and is not included in the sums.

In 2017-18, the approximate sales value of oil and gas produced in Scotland is estimated to be £20.0 billion.Sep 12, 2018

But only the crude that lands in Scotland is counted there. If it doesn’t land in Scotland it isn’t in the figures.

I have provided you with the exports and income and there is a deficiency that is paid for by the rest of the UK. Might be an idea for Scotland to think with its head, rather than all the blue sky promoted by the Scottish Government.

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

In 2017-18, the approximate sales value of oil and gas produced in Scotland is estimated to be £20.0 billion.Sep 12, 2018

But only the crude that lands in Scotland is counted there. If it doesn’t land in Scotland it isn’t in the figures.

I have provided you with the exports and income and there is a deficiency that is paid for by the rest of the UK. Might be an idea for Scotland to think with its head, rather than all the blue sky promoted by the Scottish Government.

And I have said that if all the north sea oil was processed in Scotland the figures would look substantially different.

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

But only the crude that lands in Scotland is counted there. If it doesn’t land in Scotland it isn’t in the figures.

I have provided you with the exports and income and there is a deficiency that is paid for by the rest of the UK. Might be an idea for Scotland to think with its head, rather than all the blue sky promoted by the Scottish Government.

And I have said that if all the north sea oil was processed in Scotland the figures would look substantially different.

>>In 2017-18, the approximate sales value of oil and gas produced in Scotland is estimated to be £20.0 billion.Sep 12, 2018<<

That is their income from oil and gas.

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

I have provided you with the exports and income and there is a deficiency that is paid for by the rest of the UK. Might be an idea for Scotland to think with its head, rather than all the blue sky promoted by the Scottish Government.

And I have said that if all the north sea oil was processed in Scotland the figures would look substantially different.

>>In 2017-18, the approximate sales value of oil and gas produced in Scotland is estimated to be £20.0 billion.Sep 12, 2018<<

That is their income from oil and gas.

And I am saying that if ALL the north sea oil money went to Scotland the figures would be different because the above is the money achieved from what is landed in Scotland at this time.

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

And I have said that if all the north sea oil was processed in Scotland the figures would look substantially different.

>>In 2017-18, the approximate sales value of oil and gas produced in Scotland is estimated to be £20.0 billion.Sep 12, 2018<<

That is their income from oil and gas.

And I am saying that if ALL the north sea oil money went to Scotland the figures would be different because the above is the money achieved from what is landed in Scotland at this time.

How much oil does Scotland have in comparison to Norway? … It is estimated that the Norwegian section alone contains 54% of the sea’s oil reserves and 45% of its gas reserves. More than half of the North Sea oil reserves have been extracted, according to official sources in both Norway and the UK.Dec 17, 2016

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

>>In 2017-18, the approximate sales value of oil and gas produced in Scotland is estimated to be £20.0 billion.Sep 12, 2018<<

That is their income from oil and gas.

And I am saying that if ALL the north sea oil money went to Scotland the figures would be different because the above is the money achieved from what is landed in Scotland at this time.

How much oil does Scotland have in comparison to Norway? … It is estimated that the Norwegian section alone contains 54% of the sea’s oil reserves and 45% of its gas reserves. More than half of the North Sea oil reserves have been extracted, according to official sources in both Norway and the UK.Dec 17, 2016

The price of crude oil is steadily declining, and in Scotland as in many other countries, this means the abandonment of oil rigs. … These rusting rigs are a symbol of what many say is the end of Scotland’s oil industry, a looming harbinger of unemployment in communities that have depended on the oil industry for decades.

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

And I am saying that if ALL the north sea oil money went to Scotland the figures would be different because the above is the money achieved from what is landed in Scotland at this time.

How much oil does Scotland have in comparison to Norway? … It is estimated that the Norwegian section alone contains 54% of the sea’s oil reserves and 45% of its gas reserves. More than half of the North Sea oil reserves have been extracted, according to official sources in both Norway and the UK.Dec 17, 2016

The price of crude oil is steadily declining, and in Scotland as in many other countries, this means the abandonment of oil rigs. … These rusting rigs are a symbol of what many say is the end of Scotland’s oil industry, a looming harbinger of unemployment in communities that have depended on the oil industry for decades.

Are there oil rigs in the North Sea?
That figure is now down to 1.5 million barrels, and the industry is turning to the task of decommissioning the estimated 600 production platforms in the North Sea. The British sector alone contains 470 of them, along with roughly as many other offshore installations, plus 10,000 kilometers of pipelines and 5,000 wells.Jun 26, 2018

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

>>In 2017-18, the approximate sales value of oil and gas produced in Scotland is estimated to be £20.0 billion.Sep 12, 2018<<

That is their income from oil and gas.

And I am saying that if ALL the north sea oil money went to Scotland the figures would be different because the above is the money achieved from what is landed in Scotland at this time.

How much oil does Scotland have in comparison to Norway? … It is estimated that the Norwegian section alone contains 54% of the sea’s oil reserves and 45% of its gas reserves. More than half of the North Sea oil reserves have been extracted, according to official sources in both Norway and the UK.Dec 17, 2016

I don’t know. New fields were mentioned after the Indyref. So there is some untouched new fields available.

This conversation is all about oil and it comes at a time when the world needs to think about not doing more oil.

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

And I am saying that if ALL the north sea oil money went to Scotland the figures would be different because the above is the money achieved from what is landed in Scotland at this time.

How much oil does Scotland have in comparison to Norway? … It is estimated that the Norwegian section alone contains 54% of the sea’s oil reserves and 45% of its gas reserves. More than half of the North Sea oil reserves have been extracted, according to official sources in both Norway and the UK.Dec 17, 2016

I don’t know. New fields were mentioned after the Indyref. So there is some untouched new fields available.

This conversation is all about oil and it comes at a time when the world needs to think about not doing more oil.

It means the North Sea Oil bonanza has well and truly passed its peak. It will still be producing oil for many years to come, but at a slowly decreasing rate, therefore it cannot be relied upon as a major income source.

I’m happy to leave the question of independence to the people of Scotland. You can rest assured a lot of brainpower is going into the economic questions.

https://www2.gov.scot/resource/0042/00422987.pdf

Bubblecar said:

I’m happy to leave the question of independence to the people of Scotland. You can rest assured a lot of brainpower is going into the economic questions.

https://www2.gov.scot/resource/0042/00422987.pdf

There is a hell of a lot of this blue sky stuff being produced by the Scottish Government, which indicates to me that the politicians are promoting what they want the public to follow, however things are not as simple as they pretend it is. It was only in 2014 that Scotland was pronounced as an independent country and this independent feeling is currently being promoted by some regardless of outcome.

dv said:

Ian said:

There should be more porogation of.. anything really.

I like to say porogue.. po ro gue.. pO rrO gg

It’s prorogue

Oh yes. I’m all for him. The reprobate.

Both extremely woody.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49639828
Tory speaker of the Commons will step down at the end of October or the next election, whichever comes furst

New legislation, which was granted royal assent on Monday, changes that, and will force the PM to seek a delay to 31 January 2020 unless a deal – or a no-deal exit – is approved by MPs by 19 October.

MPs backed calls, by 311 votes to 302, for the publication of government communications relating to the suspension of Parliament and the release of all documents relating to Operation Yellowhammer, the government’s no-deal contingency plan, shared with ministers since 23 July.

Former Conservative Dominic Grieve, the newly independent MP who tabled the motion, told MPs it was “entirely reasonable” to ask for the disclosure “so the House can understand the risks involved and this can be communicated more widely to the public”.

dv said:

New legislation, which was granted royal assent on Monday, changes that, and will force the PM to seek a delay to 31 January 2020 unless a deal – or a no-deal exit – is approved by MPs by 19 October.

MPs backed calls, by 311 votes to 302, for the publication of government communications relating to the suspension of Parliament and the release of all documents relating to Operation Yellowhammer, the government’s no-deal contingency plan, shared with ministers since 23 July.

Former Conservative Dominic Grieve, the newly independent MP who tabled the motion, told MPs it was “entirely reasonable” to ask for the disclosure “so the House can understand the risks involved and this can be communicated more widely to the public”.

An extension..but not to the point where offshore earnings need to be declared.

It’s interesting to see so many Conservatives come out so Bolshy..

Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson’s powerful de facto chief of staff, was doorstepped by Sky News as he left home this morning. Asked what his next move would be, Cummings replied:

You guys should get out of London. Go and talk to people who are not rich remainers.

This seems to be a reference to the idea that London-based journalists do not realise how much support there is for Boris Johnson’s Brexit strategy outside middle-class remain circles in the capital.

But Lord Heseltine, the pro-European former Conservative deputy prime minister, said it was a mistake for Cummings to claim it was the remain side who represented the views of the wealthy elite. He told Sky’s All Out Politics:

If you start talking about who are the richest influential people in this campaign – who owns the Telegraph? Who owns the Sun? Who owns the Daily Mail? People with riches, wealth, of untold millions. They are the ones who appoint the editors of newspapers that are frankly propaganda sheets for leave. And for Dominic Cummings to try to shove the blame on to individuals who want to remain because they are rich is a major slip of the tongue.

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28% of the UK population want Johnson to break the law rather than ask EU for an extension. 50% want him to obey the law and ask for an extension. 22% don’t know.

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William Hague, the former Conservative leader and former foreign secretary, has used his Telegraph column today (paywall) to deliver a damning verdict on Boris Johnson’s decision to remove the whip from the 21 rebels who voted against the government on Brexit last week.

All of us who have been Tory leader have made mistakes, but this one is the most egregious and counter-productive act of self-harm committed by the party leadership that I can recall in my lifetime. If we do not speak out about it, there is little prospect that lessons will be learned …

It is not possible to be aware of record and characters without thinking that their expulsion from the parliamentary ranks of the Conservative party, partly at the behest of people who have spent years rebelling, is a disgusting act of hypocrisy.

Space does not allow me to go through the work of each of these 21. But when I recall Nicholas Soames sitting assiduously on the backbenches and loyally supporting Tory leaders when I arrived in the Commons in 1989, and that he was still in the same spot, still supporting them, when I left in 2015, I cannot accept that he can be tossed out of the party after one rebellion on the whim of advisers who have only just turned up …

The final problem with this whole episode is that it appears to send a signal – that if you are a “moderate” Tory, a socially liberal, fiscally responsible, internationalist Conservative who believes in the necessity of compromise and balance in our national affairs – you have to start to think about joining a new party.

Meanwhile, Corbyn is addressing the TUC:

Congress, the coming general election will be a chance for a real change of direction.

In the next few weeks the establishment will come after us with all they’ve got, because they know we’re not afraid to take them on.

We’re going after the tax avoiders.

We’re going after the bad bosses.

We’re going after the dodgy landlords.

We’re going after the big polluters destroying our climate.

Because we know whose side we’re on.

We’re creating a society of hope and inclusion – not poverty – and division.

dv said:

Meanwhile, Corbyn is addressing the TUC:

Congress, the coming general election will be a chance for a real change of direction.

In the next few weeks the establishment will come after us with all they’ve got, because they know we’re not afraid to take them on.

We’re going after the tax avoiders.

We’re going after the bad bosses.

We’re going after the dodgy landlords.

We’re going after the big polluters destroying our climate.

Because we know whose side we’re on.

We’re creating a society of hope and inclusion – not poverty – and division.

Hope AND inclusion.

I’ll have ten bucks worth please.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Meanwhile, Corbyn is addressing the TUC:

Congress, the coming general election will be a chance for a real change of direction.

In the next few weeks the establishment will come after us with all they’ve got, because they know we’re not afraid to take them on.

We’re going after the tax avoiders.

We’re going after the bad bosses.

We’re going after the dodgy landlords.

We’re going after the big polluters destroying our climate.

Because we know whose side we’re on.

We’re creating a society of hope and inclusion – not poverty – and division.

Hope AND inclusion.

I’ll have ten bucks worth please.

Also

I want to say this to everybody who is watching beyond this hall.

If you’re feeling powerless about your work situation – take action now – today.

Join a trade union.

But there’s a big role for government too in extending workers’ legal rights.

Labour will deliver a real living wage of at least £10 per hour for all workers, from the age of 16 action on the gender pay gap, equal rights for all workers from day one and the end of zero-hour contracts.

And Labour won’t tell people they have to work until they are 75 before getting their pension.

But rights only mean anything if they’re enforced.

Too many employers are getting away with flouting laws. Nearly half a million people are still being paid less than the minimum wage.

We’ll put a stop to that. We’ll create a Workers Protection Agency with real teeth, including the power to enter workplaces and bring prosecutions on workers’ behalf.

If you’re a worker with a boss who makes you work extra hours for no pay or forces you into dangerous situations, you deserve a government that’s on your side and ready to step in to support you.

Oooh, grass roots Labour Party stuff. Like my Grandfather V.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Meanwhile, Corbyn is addressing the TUC:

Congress, the coming general election will be a chance for a real change of direction.

In the next few weeks the establishment will come after us with all they’ve got, because they know we’re not afraid to take them on.

We’re going after the tax avoiders.

We’re going after the bad bosses.

We’re going after the dodgy landlords.

We’re going after the big polluters destroying our climate.

Because we know whose side we’re on.

We’re creating a society of hope and inclusion – not poverty – and division.

Hope AND inclusion.

I’ll have ten bucks worth please.

Also

I want to say this to everybody who is watching beyond this hall.

If you’re feeling powerless about your work situation – take action now – today.

Join a trade union.

But there’s a big role for government too in extending workers’ legal rights.

Labour will deliver a real living wage of at least £10 per hour for all workers, from the age of 16 action on the gender pay gap, equal rights for all workers from day one and the end of zero-hour contracts.

And Labour won’t tell people they have to work until they are 75 before getting their pension.

But rights only mean anything if they’re enforced.

Too many employers are getting away with flouting laws. Nearly half a million people are still being paid less than the minimum wage.

We’ll put a stop to that. We’ll create a Workers Protection Agency with real teeth, including the power to enter workplaces and bring prosecutions on workers’ behalf.

If you’re a worker with a boss who makes you work extra hours for no pay or forces you into dangerous situations, you deserve a government that’s on your side and ready to step in to support you.

That is hopeful.

Michael V said:

Oooh, grass roots Labour Party stuff. Like my Grandfather V.

Like my dad.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Oooh, grass roots Labour Party stuff. Like my Grandfather V.

Like my dad.

Grandpa V was president of the Manly branch before the seat became Collaroy, and continued on through the ’50s and ’60s. Askin held that seat. Pittwater House school (a bourgeois right wing private school at Collaroy) named one of it’s houses “Askin House”. It later named another after Little Grandpa. Little Grandma was excited “Oooh, they’ll be fighting each other in perpetuity. He’d‘ve loved that”.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Oooh, grass roots Labour Party stuff. Like my Grandfather V.

Like my dad.

Grandpa V was president of the Manly branch before the seat became Collaroy, and continued on through the ’50s and ’60s. Askin held that seat. Pittwater House school (a bourgeois right wing private school at Collaroy) named one of it’s houses “Askin House”. It later named another after Little Grandpa. Little Grandma was excited “Oooh, they’ll be fighting each other in perpetuity. He’d‘ve loved that”.

Oh right. No my dad was union leader type. IT wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t know each other. Dad seemed to know everyone.

It’s good to hear a politician openly expressing good old fashioned community values like Corbyn.

dv said:

It’s good to hear a politician openly expressing good old fashioned community values like Corbyn.

especially after what has been coming out of Canberra.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Like my dad.

Grandpa V was president of the Manly branch before the seat became Collaroy, and continued on through the ’50s and ’60s. Askin held that seat. Pittwater House school (a bourgeois right wing private school at Collaroy) named one of it’s houses “Askin House”. It later named another after Little Grandpa. Little Grandma was excited “Oooh, they’ll be fighting each other in perpetuity. He’d‘ve loved that”.

Oh right. No my dad was union leader type. IT wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t know each other. Dad seemed to know everyone.

I should have said Manly Labor Party President.

Little Grandpa was a staunch unionist, as was dad. I was a unionist, too, for a while. Branch Delegate from Armidale of the public Service Association.

dv said:

It’s good to hear a politician openly expressing good old fashioned community values like Corbyn.

:)

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Like my dad.

Grandpa V was president of the Manly branch before the seat became Collaroy, and continued on through the ’50s and ’60s. Askin held that seat. Pittwater House school (a bourgeois right wing private school at Collaroy) named one of it’s houses “Askin House”. It later named another after Little Grandpa. Little Grandma was excited “Oooh, they’ll be fighting each other in perpetuity. He’d‘ve loved that”.

Oh right. No my dad was union leader type. IT wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t know each other. Dad seemed to know everyone.

Which union SM?

dv said:

It’s good to hear a politician openly expressing good old fashioned community values like Corbyn.

You been drinking again?

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Meanwhile, Corbyn is addressing the TUC:

Congress, the coming general election will be a chance for a real change of direction.

In the next few weeks the establishment will come after us with all they’ve got, because they know we’re not afraid to take them on.

We’re going after the tax avoiders.

We’re going after the bad bosses.

We’re going after the dodgy landlords.

We’re going after the big polluters destroying our climate.

Because we know whose side we’re on.

We’re creating a society of hope and inclusion – not poverty – and division.

Hope AND inclusion.

I’ll have ten bucks worth please.

Also

I want to say this to everybody who is watching beyond this hall.

If you’re feeling powerless about your work situation – take action now – today.

Join a trade union.

But there’s a big role for government too in extending workers’ legal rights.

Labour will deliver a real living wage of at least £10 per hour for all workers, from the age of 16 action on the gender pay gap, equal rights for all workers from day one and the end of zero-hour contracts.

And Labour won’t tell people they have to work until they are 75 before getting their pension.

But rights only mean anything if they’re enforced.

Too many employers are getting away with flouting laws. Nearly half a million people are still being paid less than the minimum wage.

We’ll put a stop to that. We’ll create a Workers Protection Agency with real teeth, including the power to enter workplaces and bring prosecutions on workers’ behalf.

If you’re a worker with a boss who makes you work extra hours for no pay or forces you into dangerous situations, you deserve a government that’s on your side and ready to step in to support you.

All sounds a bit bolshie.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Grandpa V was president of the Manly branch before the seat became Collaroy, and continued on through the ’50s and ’60s. Askin held that seat. Pittwater House school (a bourgeois right wing private school at Collaroy) named one of it’s houses “Askin House”. It later named another after Little Grandpa. Little Grandma was excited “Oooh, they’ll be fighting each other in perpetuity. He’d‘ve loved that”.

Oh right. No my dad was union leader type. IT wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t know each other. Dad seemed to know everyone.

Which union SM?

Work supervisors federation.(Is that a white collarish blue collarish union?) I was naive. I didn’t know it was union meetings he was going to. He went to lots of meetings. He was foundation secretary of Wests and involved in the debenture holder stuff.. And he was Lodge Master. And he ran the Scots club for years.

sibeen said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Also

I want to say this to everybody who is watching beyond this hall.

If you’re feeling powerless about your work situation – take action now – today.

Join a trade union.

But there’s a big role for government too in extending workers’ legal rights.

Labour will deliver a real living wage of at least £10 per hour for all workers, from the age of 16 action on the gender pay gap, equal rights for all workers from day one and the end of zero-hour contracts.

And Labour won’t tell people they have to work until they are 75 before getting their pension.

But rights only mean anything if they’re enforced.

Too many employers are getting away with flouting laws. Nearly half a million people are still being paid less than the minimum wage.

We’ll put a stop to that. We’ll create a Workers Protection Agency with real teeth, including the power to enter workplaces and bring prosecutions on workers’ behalf.

If you’re a worker with a boss who makes you work extra hours for no pay or forces you into dangerous situations, you deserve a government that’s on your side and ready to step in to support you.

All sounds a bit bolshie.

Well, no. Not particularly. A little socialist, perhaps. And a little Socialism is a good thing, I reckon.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Oh right. No my dad was union leader type. IT wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t know each other. Dad seemed to know everyone.

Which union SM?

Work supervisors federation.(Is that a white collarish blue collarish union?) I was naive. I didn’t know it was union meetings he was going to. He went to lots of meetings. He was foundation secretary of Wests and involved in the debenture holder stuff.. And he was Lodge Master. And he ran the Scots club for years.

Ta.

Some rumblings that the 27 other EU member states are wanting to offer an extension well beyond 31 January 2020, maybe up to two years, rather than have to deal with the question every few months while the UK lurches from one political crisis to the next.

delay until a deal is made, is an obvious first step.

Or just boot the UK out and leave them to sort out their own mess.

Scotland will become independent and rejoin the EU. England will rename itself Anglaska and become the 51st state of the USA, with Blowjob replaced by a Republican governor.

The Queen will stay on as a figurehead but Ivanka Trump will be appointed the new heir to the throne.

party_pants said:

Some rumblings that the 27 other EU member states are wanting to offer an extension well beyond 31 January 2020, maybe up to two years, rather than have to deal with the question every few months while the UK lurches from one political crisis to the next.

That’d be good, if it comes to pass…

Bubblecar said:

Or just boot the UK out and leave them to sort out their own mess.

Scotland will become independent and rejoin the EU. England will rename itself Anglaska and become the 51st state of the USA, with Blowjob replaced by a Republican governor.

The Queen will stay on as a figurehead but Ivanka Trump will be appointed the new heir to the throne.

LOL at your last projected outcome.

What I reckon they should do is turn the deadline into a wall, not a cliff. When they reach the deadline the Brexit process lapses and remain becomes the default option rather than the other way around, unless thew parliament decides to extend it. This way they can also phase in the required changes over a period of a couple of years rather than having a big mess all at once.

You know it makes sense.

I can see why the EU don’t want to negotiate, that would just pile problems on top of problems with all the other members, but they are also reluctant to wave a cheery sayanara which tells me they have a certain interest in keeping it in.

they’ve enacted article 50.. you can’t just pretend that never happened without some kind of “oops” legislation

AwesomeO said:

I can see why the EU don’t want to negotiate, that would just pile problems on top of problems with all the other members, but they are also reluctant to wave a cheery sayanara which tells me they have a certain interest in keeping it in.

By “negotiate” you mean “give in”. They negotiated a deal with Theresa May that all 27 other member states agreed to, just that May couldn’t get her own party to vote for it in the Commons. It is not really their fault.

To say that I don’t understand Brexit is an understatement.

Why don’t they all just start again with a referendum?

party_pants said:

AwesomeO said:

I can see why the EU don’t want to negotiate, that would just pile problems on top of problems with all the other members, but they are also reluctant to wave a cheery sayanara which tells me they have a certain interest in keeping it in.

By “negotiate” you mean “give in”. They negotiated a deal with Theresa May that all 27 other member states agreed to, just that May couldn’t get her own party to vote for it in the Commons. It is not really their fault.

good old poms, being a pain in the arse since the year dot.

AwesomeO said:

I can see why the EU don’t want to negotiate, that would just pile problems on top of problems with all the other members, but they are also reluctant to wave a cheery sayanara which tells me they have a certain interest in keeping it in.

They don’t want an extra 273.54 billion pounds to go to the NHS.

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

I can see why the EU don’t want to negotiate, that would just pile problems on top of problems with all the other members, but they are also reluctant to wave a cheery sayanara which tells me they have a certain interest in keeping it in.

They don’t want an extra 273.54 billion pounds to go to the NHS.

rofl

Obviousman said:

To say that I don’t understand Brexit is an understatement.

Why don’t they all just start again with a referendum?

I doubt they’d get a different result.. tbh

Obviousman said:

To say that I don’t understand Brexit is an understatement.

Why don’t they all just start again with a referendum?

The whole problem is that the original referendum question was too vague. They need to define a model first, and then ask the people to vote for Leave on that specific model. Right now the mess is over which model of leaving should be adopted.

Northern Ireland is about to go to hell in a hand basket… That’s going to be the first real cost of this fuckup.

I mean it was, after all, a non-binding advisory referendum with no legal weight. They really do have the option of just saying “nah”.

Dropbear said:

Northern Ireland is about to go to hell in a hand basket… That’s going to be the first real cost of this fuckup.

Expect splosions.

Bubblecar said:

Dropbear said:

Northern Ireland is about to go to hell in a hand basket… That’s going to be the first real cost of this fuckup.

Expect splosions.

they had them last night

Just read the Daily Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph etc to understand why at least half the UK population are terminally clueless.

dv said:

I mean it was, after all, a non-binding advisory referendum with no legal weight. They really do have the option of just saying “nah”.

If only they would.

Michael V said:

dv said:

I mean it was, after all, a non-binding advisory referendum with no legal weight. They really do have the option of just saying “nah”.

If only they would.

If they say ‘nah’, how is the US going to be able to screw over….um…I mean….do really great deals with one of their best allies?

ruby said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

I mean it was, after all, a non-binding advisory referendum with no legal weight. They really do have the option of just saying “nah”.

If only they would.

If they say ‘nah’, how is the US going to be able to screw over….um…I mean….do really great deals with one of their best allies?

Abolishing the NHS and dropping food safety standards are already top of the Trump administration list. The former is in order to give US insurance companies “access to new markets”. BoJo is really driving the irony bus on this one if Brexit means abolishing the NHS rather than redirecting more money into it.

Scottish judges rule Parliament suspension is unlawful

10 minutes ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49661855

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49661855

Scottish Court declares that prorogation of Parliament was unlawful.

party_pants said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49661855

Scottish Court declares that prorogation of Parliament was unlawful.

See below.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49661855

Scottish Court declares that prorogation of Parliament was unlawful.

See below.

above?

party_pants said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49661855

Scottish Court declares that prorogation of Parliament was unlawful.

Lol

The Queen is likely to be “brassed off” after allowing Parliament to be prorogued on the “unlawful” advice from Government ministers, it has been claimed.

The Monarch has been placed in a “difficult position” after today’s Court of Session ruling that the five-week suspension of Parliament had been done to “stymie” scrutiny of the Government, according to QC Jolyon Maugham who was second petitioner in the appeal.

“You’ve got think that she’s sitting on her throne feeling rather brassed off about the advice that was given to her by Jacob Rees Mogg that it was a perfectly proper thing for her to do, to suspend Parliament,” he told Sky News.

“It certainly has put her in a difficult situation because she acted on the advice of her privy councillors, constitutionally that’s what she’s obliged to do, and it turns out that that advice that was given to her was unlawful.”

The QC also pointed to an article earlier this year by Mr Rees Mogg, the current leader of the House of Commons, which endorsed prorogation.

“He said proroguing Parliament to stop it interfering with the plans of the hard right of the Conservative party for Brexit would be a sensible course for the Prime Minister to take.

“When you’re thinking about the real motives for the suspension of Parliament I think it’s sensible to look at what the Government has said in the recent past and particularly what leading Privy Council has said about the wisdom and the motives for a suspension of Parliament.

“The dogs in the street know that this unprecedented length of suspension at critical moment in the United Kingdom’s relations with teh EU was done to stop Parliament interfering with the Prime Minister’s plans for Brexit.

“That is not Parliamentary democracy”

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/queen-likely-to-be-brassed-off-with-jacob-rees-mogg-over-prorogation-move-1-5002117

Social media is on fire tonight.

This, too, is real and not satire.

dv said:

Social media is on fire tonight.

This, too, is real and not satire.

And they know what happened to Icarus?

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Social media is on fire tonight.

This, too, is real and not satire.

And they know what happened to Icarus?

I do think that may have been a bit of a story :)

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Social media is on fire tonight.

This, too, is real and not satire.

And they know what happened to Icarus?

I do think that may have been a bit of a story :)

Right but (shrugs) I think they should have stuck with the story to see how it ended up

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49670123

Brexit: Operation Yellowhammer no-deal document published

Riots on the streets, food price rises and reduced medical supplies are real risks of the UK leaving the EU without a deal, a government document has said.
Ministers have published details of their Yellowhammer contingency plan, after MPs voted to force its release.
It outlines a series of “reasonable worst case assumptions” for the impact of a no-deal Brexit on 31 October.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the paper confirmed the PM “is prepared to punish those who can least afford it”.

Here’s the document:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

Item 15 has been redacted but since leaked:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/11/uk/boris-johnson-might-have-misled-the-queen-intl/index.html

If Boris Johnson misled the Queen, it would be a bad look. Even for him.

dv said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49670123

Brexit: Operation Yellowhammer no-deal document published

Riots on the streets, food price rises and reduced medical supplies are real risks of the UK leaving the EU without a deal, a government document has said.
Ministers have published details of their Yellowhammer contingency plan, after MPs voted to force its release.
It outlines a series of “reasonable worst case assumptions” for the impact of a no-deal Brexit on 31 October.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the paper confirmed the PM “is prepared to punish those who can least afford it”.

Here’s the document:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

Item 15 has been redacted but since leaked:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/11/uk/boris-johnson-might-have-misled-the-queen-intl/index.html

If Boris Johnson misled the Queen, it would be a bad look. Even for him.

Johnson and Gove have tried to paint Yellowhammer as the worst case scenario, but actually it is just “expected outcome”. The real disaster scenario is in a separate document, Black Swan. A third document details the Kingfisher plan, which involves massive debt-driven support for business to ride out Brexit.

• Johnson and Gove have tried to paint Yellowhammer as the worst case scenario, but actually it is just “expected outcome”. The real disaster scenario is in a separate document, Black Swan. A third document details the Kingfisher plan, which involves massive debt-driven support for business to ride out Brexit.

Do they have one where they just invade Ireland to solve the whole back stop issue?

furious said:

• Johnson and Gove have tried to paint Yellowhammer as the worst case scenario, but actually it is just “expected outcome”. The real disaster scenario is in a separate document, Black Swan. A third document details the Kingfisher plan, which involves massive debt-driven support for business to ride out Brexit.

Do they have one where they just invade Ireland to solve the whole back stop issue?

the tanks would run out of fuel.

party_pants said:

furious said:

• Johnson and Gove have tried to paint Yellowhammer as the worst case scenario, but actually it is just “expected outcome”. The real disaster scenario is in a separate document, Black Swan. A third document details the Kingfisher plan, which involves massive debt-driven support for business to ride out Brexit.

Do they have one where they just invade Ireland to solve the whole back stop issue?

the tanks would run out of fuel.

and don’t even try running those solar powered tanks in Ireland

If the Supreme Court doesn’t force lawmakers to return to work early, then the UK is back on track for two weeks of absolute chaos when Parliament reopens under the current schedule on October 14.

—
That’ll be a nice change.

party_pants said:

furious said:

• Johnson and Gove have tried to paint Yellowhammer as the worst case scenario, but actually it is just “expected outcome”. The real disaster scenario is in a separate document, Black Swan. A third document details the Kingfisher plan, which involves massive debt-driven support for business to ride out Brexit.

Do they have one where they just invade Ireland to solve the whole back stop issue?

the tanks would run out of fuel.

Why didn’t Great Britain stay out out of the EU in the first place?

Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

furious said:

• Johnson and Gove have tried to paint Yellowhammer as the worst case scenario, but actually it is just “expected outcome”. The real disaster scenario is in a separate document, Black Swan. A third document details the Kingfisher plan, which involves massive debt-driven support for business to ride out Brexit.

Do they have one where they just invade Ireland to solve the whole back stop issue?

the tanks would run out of fuel.

Why didn’t Great Britain stay out out of the EU in the first place?

Because of the huge benefits of being part of a major trading block.

Ian said:

If the Supreme Court doesn’t force lawmakers to return to work early, then the UK is back on track for two weeks of absolute chaos when Parliament reopens under the current schedule on October 14.

—
That’ll be a nice change.

When parliaments are too small to hold everyone they USUALLY build bigger ones.

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

the tanks would run out of fuel.

Why didn’t Great Britain stay out out of the EU in the first place?

Because of the huge benefits of being part of a major trading block.

And now they don’t want the huge benefits ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why didn’t Great Britain stay out out of the EU in the first place?

Because of the huge benefits of being part of a major trading block.

And now they don’t want the huge benefits ?

Correct.

The popular support may be tied to nostalgia or nationalism but the driving funds are from disaster capitalists.

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brexit-disaster-capitalism-8-billion-bet-on-no-deal-crash-out-by-boris-johnsons-leave-backers/

People stand to make billions of dollars out of the collapse of the British economy.

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why didn’t Great Britain stay out out of the EU in the first place?

Because of the huge benefits of being part of a major trading block.

And now they don’t want the huge benefits ?

Mostly they want the benefits but not the responsibilities.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

Because of the huge benefits of being part of a major trading block.

And now they don’t want the huge benefits ?

Mostly they want the benefits but not the responsibilities.

They were never fully in the EU. Kept the Pound not the Euro. Kept Imperial measures not metric.

I notice the Lib-Dems have positioned themselves now as the party for Remain. Their new election policy is to withdraw Article 50 and cancel Brexit outright, without going to a second referendum. If they win a majority at the next election they will arguably have a mandate to do so. If, of course and all that.

• They were never fully in the EU. Kept the Pound not the Euro. Kept Imperial measures not metric.

They aren’t in the schengen either, strange name that, but arguably none of those things are necessary for the purpose of trading…

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

And now they don’t want the huge benefits ?

Mostly they want the benefits but not the responsibilities.

They were never fully in the EU. Kept the Pound not the Euro. Kept Imperial measures not metric.

Yeah, this is the thing. They were in but with a few special exceptions like you said.

Iy they leave and ever want to get back in, they will have no chance of getting these special exemtions a second time. They would have to go full EU including the Euro.

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

And now they don’t want the huge benefits ?

Mostly they want the benefits but not the responsibilities.

They were never fully in the EU. Kept the Pound not the Euro. Kept Imperial measures not metric.

Where do people get this idea about the UK keeping Imperial measures?

They kept road signs in miles; that’s about it. University engineering was entirely metric from 1969, and commercial practice changed shortly afterwards.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

Mostly they want the benefits but not the responsibilities.

They were never fully in the EU. Kept the Pound not the Euro. Kept Imperial measures not metric.

Where do people get this idea about the UK keeping Imperial measures?

They kept road signs in miles; that’s about it. University engineering was entirely metric from 1969, and commercial practice changed shortly afterwards.

Probably mostly from the road signs. There’s rather a lot of them.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

Mostly they want the benefits but not the responsibilities.

They were never fully in the EU. Kept the Pound not the Euro. Kept Imperial measures not metric.

Where do people get this idea about the UK keeping Imperial measures?

They kept road signs in miles; that’s about it. University engineering was entirely metric from 1969, and commercial practice changed shortly afterwards.

Gallons for fuel, Bridge clearances. Common people measurements Imperial, scientific metric. Even US scientists use metric.

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

They were never fully in the EU. Kept the Pound not the Euro. Kept Imperial measures not metric.

Where do people get this idea about the UK keeping Imperial measures?

They kept road signs in miles; that’s about it. University engineering was entirely metric from 1969, and commercial practice changed shortly afterwards.

Gallons for fuel, Bridge clearances. Common people measurements Imperial, scientific metric. Even US scientists use metric.

They use litres for fuel now. Bridge clearances are dual scheme.

Of course they still use pints for beer, as do we…

dv said:

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Where do people get this idea about the UK keeping Imperial measures?

They kept road signs in miles; that’s about it. University engineering was entirely metric from 1969, and commercial practice changed shortly afterwards.

Gallons for fuel, Bridge clearances. Common people measurements Imperial, scientific metric. Even US scientists use metric.

They use litres for fuel now. Bridge clearances are dual scheme.

Of course they still use pints for beer, as do we…

Pints here, well not really. Mainly schooners & middies.

Tamb said:

dv said:

Tamb said:

Gallons for fuel, Bridge clearances. Common people measurements Imperial, scientific metric. Even US scientists use metric.

They use litres for fuel now. Bridge clearances are dual scheme.

Of course they still use pints for beer, as do we…

Pints here, well not really. Mainly schooners & middies.

Don’t tell me FNQ has gone over to the NSW measuring system.
In most of Queensland we deal in pots for beer.

I’ll have a seven of coke with no ice.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

They use litres for fuel now. Bridge clearances are dual scheme.

Of course they still use pints for beer, as do we…

Pints here, well not really. Mainly schooners & middies.

Don’t tell me FNQ has gone over to the NSW measuring system.
In most of Queensland we deal in pots for beer.

As a non-beer drinker, I found this quite interesting:

http://www.ournakedaustralia.com.au/drink-australian-beer-sizes/

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

They use litres for fuel now. Bridge clearances are dual scheme.

Of course they still use pints for beer, as do we…

Pints here, well not really. Mainly schooners & middies.

Don’t tell me FNQ has gone over to the NSW measuring system.
In most of Queensland we deal in pots for beer.

I didn’t want to confuse them with pots.

sarahs mum said:

I’ll have a seven of coke with no ice.

A pony.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Pints here, well not really. Mainly schooners & middies.

Don’t tell me FNQ has gone over to the NSW measuring system.
In most of Queensland we deal in pots for beer.

I didn’t want to confuse them with pots.

Good point well made, southerners hey.

Obviousman said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Pints here, well not really. Mainly schooners & middies.

Don’t tell me FNQ has gone over to the NSW measuring system.
In most of Queensland we deal in pots for beer.

As a non-beer drinker, I found this quite interesting:

http://www.ournakedaustralia.com.au/drink-australian-beer-sizes/

Good resource, should be used in schools.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Don’t tell me FNQ has gone over to the NSW measuring system.
In most of Queensland we deal in pots for beer.

I didn’t want to confuse them with pots.

Good point well made, southerners hey.

Beer glass sizes in Cairns are very inclusive they cater for Poms, SA, Vic, NSW & Qld.

I of course am always proud to order “five point seven times ten to the negative four cubic metres of ale”.

dv said:

I of course am always proud to order “five point seven times ten to the negative four cubic metres of ale”.

Ale? Bloody hipster!

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

I of course am always proud to order “five point seven times ten to the negative four cubic metres of ale”.

Ale? Bloody hipster!

Ales are mainstream over here, not really hipster at all.

dv said:

I of course am always proud to order “five point seven times ten to the negative four cubic metres of ale”.

Drunkard.

Peak Warming Man said:

Obviousman said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Don’t tell me FNQ has gone over to the NSW measuring system.
In most of Queensland we deal in pots for beer.

As a non-beer drinker, I found this quite interesting:

http://www.ournakedaustralia.com.au/drink-australian-beer-sizes/

Good resource, should be used in schools.

LOL

:)

dv said:

I of course am always proud to order “five point seven times ten to the negative four cubic metres of ale”.

LOL

dv said:

I of course am always proud to order “five point seven times ten to the negative four cubic metres of ale”.

When at the Union Mills Pub on the Isle of Man, I asked the bar-tender for a pint of the best dark beer they had. He replied that he didn’t know, because he only drank Lager I asked him which one and he said X X X X (not Fourex) and pointed to a bottle of Fourex Super.

I wasn’t going to drink the bottled beer from home (although I do at home), so I tried several local dark beers, all of which were better than Fourex Super.

Michael V said:

dv said:

I of course am always proud to order “five point seven times ten to the negative four cubic metres of ale”.

When at the Union Mills Pub on the Isle of Man, I asked the bar-tender for a pint of the best dark beer they had. He replied that he didn’t know, because he only drank Lager I asked him which one and he said X X X X (not Fourex) and pointed to a bottle of Fourex Super.

I wasn’t going to drink the bottled beer from home (although I do at home), so I tried several local dark beers, all of which were better than Fourex Super.

Jesus

dv said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

I of course am always proud to order “five point seven times ten to the negative four cubic metres of ale”.

When at the Union Mills Pub on the Isle of Man, I asked the bar-tender for a pint of the best dark beer they had. He replied that he didn’t know, because he only drank Lager I asked him which one and he said X X X X (not Fourex) and pointed to a bottle of Fourex Super.

I wasn’t going to drink the bottled beer from home (although I do at home), so I tried several local dark beers, all of which were better than Fourex Super.

Jesus

What a person drinks in the privacy of their own home should not be anybody else’s business.

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

They were never fully in the EU. Kept the Pound not the Euro. Kept Imperial measures not metric.

Where do people get this idea about the UK keeping Imperial measures?

They kept road signs in miles; that’s about it. University engineering was entirely metric from 1969, and commercial practice changed shortly afterwards.

Gallons for fuel, Bridge clearances. Common people measurements Imperial, scientific metric. Even US scientists use metric.

I don’t know about US scientists, but US engineers are still resolutely Imperial (or customary units, as they like to call them).

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Where do people get this idea about the UK keeping Imperial measures?

They kept road signs in miles; that’s about it. University engineering was entirely metric from 1969, and commercial practice changed shortly afterwards.

Gallons for fuel, Bridge clearances. Common people measurements Imperial, scientific metric. Even US scientists use metric.

I don’t know about US scientists, but US engineers are still resolutely Imperial (or customary units, as they like to call them).

My favourite recently spun out unit is for the energy contained in an arc flash. Something that has really only come to the fore in the last 15 years or so.

It’s measured in cal/cm²

bangs head on desk

• It’s measured in cal/cm2

Sounds like some fancy brand of fortified milk…

furious said:

• It’s measured in cal/cm2

Sounds like some fancy brand of fortified milk…

LOL

furious said:

• It’s measured in cal/cm2

Sounds like some fancy brand of fortified milk…

humorous

Wonder if Blowjob will be pressuring the Queen to issue a Royal Pardon for Tommy Mair.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/12/boris-johnson-pin-up-far-right-thugs-violence

Two cases will be heard by the UK’s Supreme Court:

The first is the case heard in Scotland on whether Johnson’s proroguing was illegal.

The second is a case heard in Northern Ireland over whether a no-deal Brexit breaks the Good Friday Agreement. The Northern Irish court found that it was not proven to be so: an appeal would be heard by the Supreme Court.

dv said:

The first is the case heard in Scotland on whether Johnson’s proroguing was illegal.

Most people in the know think that the Scottish court has overreached and made a political judgement, not a legal one …

Dropbear said:

dv said:

The first is the case heard in Scotland on whether Johnson’s proroguing was illegal.

Most people in the know think that the Scottish court has overreached and made a political judgement, not a legal one …

It really depends on what evidence they’ve seen. If they have emails among the Johnson team that confirm that the motivation was to forestall scrutiny, then it might be something.

Of course, I’m not a lawyer.

Occupy London
· 12 September ·

Today’s Guardian cryptic crossword. Not satire.

dv said:

lol

Martin Ison
18 hrs

Nigel Farage walks into a pub and says, I’ll have a pint of beer please. The barman pours a pint, then throws it all over Farage.

‘What did you do that for?’ says Farage, drenched to the skin.

‘Because you’re in a metaphor which illustrates the stupidity of asking for something but not stipulating how you fecking wanted it delivered, you frog-faced sniveling cant!’

‘But I’m still thirsty, so I want a pint — this time in a glass!’ says Farage.

‘You can’t ask again!’ said the barman.

‘Why not?’ sniveled Farage.

‘Democracy.’ says the barman.

ChrispenEvan said:

Gold

The prorogation case is being heard at the Supreme Court

dv said:

The prorogation case is being heard at the Supreme Court

Yes Haddington
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This is what is at stake in the Supreme Court case. Will the judges rule for democracy falling the lead of the Scottish Court and judges or will they wash their hands as the High Court in England chose to do. If they do then any Prime Minister could prorogue Parliament when ever they want for as long as want.

Clearly the precedents in Scottish Law are more restricted on powers of the Exceuitve branch of Government than in English law.

This is excellent news for when Scotland is independent and we decide on what sort of checks and balances there will be on a Scottish Government and Parliament.

Our Courts and Laws will limit the power of any Scottish Government.

“The opening session of the epic Supreme Court hearing into whether Boris Johnson misled the queen and broke the law when proroguing parliament did not disappoint.
Because Lord Pannick, for one of the plaintiffs Gina Miller, captured with the clinical precision of a brain surgeon quite what is at stake.
Summing up, he asked the law ladies and lords to consider that if they were to conclude there is no case for the PM to answer, a future PM might well feel licensed to suspend parliament for six months or a year, as and when MPs become bothersome, rather than “just” the five weeks Johnson has chosen to shut down parliament?
What is at stake, Pannick implied, is the role and power of the courts to prevent a PM choosing to become an elected dictator.”

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

The prorogation case is being heard at the Supreme Court

Yes Haddington
1 hr ·

This is what is at stake in the Supreme Court case. Will the judges rule for democracy falling the lead of the Scottish Court and judges or will they wash their hands as the High Court in England chose to do. If they do then any Prime Minister could prorogue Parliament when ever they want for as long as want.

Clearly the precedents in Scottish Law are more restricted on powers of the Exceuitve branch of Government than in English law.

This is excellent news for when Scotland is independent and we decide on what sort of checks and balances there will be on a Scottish Government and Parliament.

Our Courts and Laws will limit the power of any Scottish Government.

“The opening session of the epic Supreme Court hearing into whether Boris Johnson misled the queen and broke the law when proroguing parliament did not disappoint.
Because Lord Pannick, for one of the plaintiffs Gina Miller, captured with the clinical precision of a brain surgeon quite what is at stake.
Summing up, he asked the law ladies and lords to consider that if they were to conclude there is no case for the PM to answer, a future PM might well feel licensed to suspend parliament for six months or a year, as and when MPs become bothersome, rather than “just” the five weeks Johnson has chosen to shut down parliament?
What is at stake, Pannick implied, is the role and power of the courts to prevent a PM choosing to become an elected dictator.”

Och Aye and tickle me haggis.

Supreme Court: Suspending Parliament was unlawful, judges rule

Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend Parliament was unlawful, the Supreme Court has ruled.

Mr Johnson suspended – or prorogued – Parliament for five weeks earlier this month, but the court said it was wrong to stop MPs carrying out duties in the run-up to Brexit on 31 October.

Commons Speaker John Bercow confirmed MPs would now return on Wednesday.

Supreme Court president Lady Hale said “the effect on the fundamentals of democracy was extreme.”

A raft of MPs have now called for the prime minister to resign – Downing Street said it was “currently processing the verdict”.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49810261#

Shit eh

dv said:

Supreme Court: Suspending Parliament was unlawful, judges rule

Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend Parliament was unlawful, the Supreme Court has ruled.

Mr Johnson suspended – or prorogued – Parliament for five weeks earlier this month, but the court said it was wrong to stop MPs carrying out duties in the run-up to Brexit on 31 October.

Commons Speaker John Bercow confirmed MPs would now return on Wednesday.

Supreme Court president Lady Hale said “the effect on the fundamentals of democracy was extreme.”

A raft of MPs have now called for the prime minister to resign – Downing Street said it was “currently processing the verdict”.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49810261#

Shit eh

see chat thread.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Supreme Court: Suspending Parliament was unlawful, judges rule

Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend Parliament was unlawful, the Supreme Court has ruled.

Mr Johnson suspended – or prorogued – Parliament for five weeks earlier this month, but the court said it was wrong to stop MPs carrying out duties in the run-up to Brexit on 31 October.

Commons Speaker John Bercow confirmed MPs would now return on Wednesday.

Supreme Court president Lady Hale said “the effect on the fundamentals of democracy was extreme.”

A raft of MPs have now called for the prime minister to resign – Downing Street said it was “currently processing the verdict”.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49810261#

Shit eh

see chat thread.

In that you can learn that I have a heel spur.

:)

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Supreme Court: Suspending Parliament was unlawful, judges rule

Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend Parliament was unlawful, the Supreme Court has ruled.

Mr Johnson suspended – or prorogued – Parliament for five weeks earlier this month, but the court said it was wrong to stop MPs carrying out duties in the run-up to Brexit on 31 October.

Commons Speaker John Bercow confirmed MPs would now return on Wednesday.

Supreme Court president Lady Hale said “the effect on the fundamentals of democracy was extreme.”

A raft of MPs have now called for the prime minister to resign – Downing Street said it was “currently processing the verdict”.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49810261#

Shit eh

see chat thread.

In that you can learn that I have a heel spur.

:)

Fascinating! Probably that will push this whole “PM broke the law” business off the front pages.

It’s always tease, tease, tease
You’re happy when I’m on my knees
One day it’s fine and next it’s black
So if you want me off your back
Well, come on and let me know
Should I stay or should I go?

Anyway, as things stand it seems likely there will be a confirmatory referendum on any particular model so that will be as clear an answer as you could hope for.

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

esselte said:

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I don’t care about promises plastered on the side of double decker buses or whatever. I only care that the government of the United Kingdom has not given it’s best effort to “Leaving the European Union”, as they were told to do.

How do you figure that? Maybe this really was their best effort. Maybe this was as good as the Conservatives can be these days.

The political heart and will isn’t really in it. The vote was unambiguous. One of the resentments is the people can see the politicians dragging their feet.

(Shrugs) Brexit McBrexitface is PM: his fuckups are the fuckups of the Brexit movement.

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

How do you figure that? Maybe this really was their best effort. Maybe this was as good as the Conservatives can be these days.

The political heart and will isn’t really in it. The vote was unambiguous. One of the resentments is the people can see the politicians dragging their feet.

(Shrugs) Brexit McBrexitface is PM: his fuckups are the fuckups of the Brexit movement.

Shrugs back, he was a remainer as well. The genesis of all this was political games, no one expected the people to vote exit, now the pollies are playing catch up and stop Brexit.

They could have been out in March, they had the numbers then. But Boris and his cronies crossed the floor 3 times to defeat Therese May. Now Boris does not have the numbers to make it happen.

party_pants said:

They could have been out in March, they had the numbers then. But Boris and his cronies crossed the floor 3 times to defeat Therese May. Now Boris does not have the numbers to make it happen.

It’s almost as though Brexiters are stupid and incompetent and it would be good if their ideas don’t come to fruition.

dv said:

party_pants said:

They could have been out in March, they had the numbers then. But Boris and his cronies crossed the floor 3 times to defeat Therese May. Now Boris does not have the numbers to make it happen.

It’s almost as though Brexiters are stupid and incompetent and it would be good if their ideas don’t come to fruition.

You’ve been reading too many of my posts and my views have corrupted you.

dv said:

party_pants said:

They could have been out in March, they had the numbers then. But Boris and his cronies crossed the floor 3 times to defeat Therese May. Now Boris does not have the numbers to make it happen.

It’s almost as though Brexiters are stupid and incompetent and it would be good if their ideas don’t come to fruition.

Therese May was a terrible negotiator who took only what was given, but lacked the skills to get a better deal.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

They could have been out in March, they had the numbers then. But Boris and his cronies crossed the floor 3 times to defeat Therese May. Now Boris does not have the numbers to make it happen.

It’s almost as though Brexiters are stupid and incompetent and it would be good if their ideas don’t come to fruition.

Therese May was a terrible negotiator who took only what was given, but lacked the skills to get a better deal.

What was the deal TM put? I’ve never read it.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

They could have been out in March, they had the numbers then. But Boris and his cronies crossed the floor 3 times to defeat Therese May. Now Boris does not have the numbers to make it happen.

It’s almost as though Brexiters are stupid and incompetent and it would be good if their ideas don’t come to fruition.

Therese May was a terrible negotiator who took only what was given, but lacked the skills to get a better deal.

Still, if nuances don’t count. A deal was there on the table and they had the numbers to vote it through. Now they have neither.

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

It’s almost as though Brexiters are stupid and incompetent and it would be good if their ideas don’t come to fruition.

Therese May was a terrible negotiator who took only what was given, but lacked the skills to get a better deal.

What was the deal TM put? I’ve never read it.

Basic details
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chequers_agreement

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

It’s almost as though Brexiters are stupid and incompetent and it would be good if their ideas don’t come to fruition.

Therese May was a terrible negotiator who took only what was given, but lacked the skills to get a better deal.

What was the deal TM put? I’ve never read it.

It didn’t matter what the deal was or was not. The Conservatives (or some significant factions of them) simply wanted to get TM out of No. 10 no matter what, and so would have said ‘no’ even if the rest of the EU had agreed to become tribute states to Britain.

Once they got her out, they had to find some substitute, and they thought it’d be a jolly good lark to give the mop-headed buffoon a go at it (nobody else wanted the poisoned chalice, really). What japes, eh?!

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

It’s almost as though Brexiters are stupid and incompetent and it would be good if their ideas don’t come to fruition.

Therese May was a terrible negotiator who took only what was given, but lacked the skills to get a better deal.

Still, if nuances don’t count. A deal was there on the table and they had the numbers to vote it through. Now they have neither.

Why should they vote for a disastrous deal that puts the UK at a distinct disadvantage.

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

It’s almost as though Brexiters are stupid and incompetent and it would be good if their ideas don’t come to fruition.

Therese May was a terrible negotiator who took only what was given, but lacked the skills to get a better deal.

What was the deal TM put? I’ve never read it.

• a soft border with Ireland to accommodate the GFA

• pretty easy going complementary rights of EU citizens in the UK and vice versa

• but no customs union, no Norway-style place in the common market

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Therese May was a terrible negotiator who took only what was given, but lacked the skills to get a better deal.

Still, if nuances don’t count. A deal was there on the table and they had the numbers to vote it through. Now they have neither.

Why should they vote for a disastrous deal that puts the UK at a distinct disadvantage.

They were never going to get a deal to their advantage.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

Still, if nuances don’t count. A deal was there on the table and they had the numbers to vote it through. Now they have neither.

Why should they vote for a disastrous deal that puts the UK at a distinct disadvantage.

They were never going to get a deal to their advantage.

Yeah, why should the EU have let the UK dictate the terms? It’s not like they were trying to get rid of the UK, the UK said ‘we want to leave’.

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

Therese May was a terrible negotiator who took only what was given, but lacked the skills to get a better deal.

What was the deal TM put? I’ve never read it.

Basic details
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chequers_agreement

Thanks. Actually seems somewhat reasonable.

dv said:

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

Therese May was a terrible negotiator who took only what was given, but lacked the skills to get a better deal.

What was the deal TM put? I’ve never read it.

• a soft border with Ireland to accommodate the GFA

• pretty easy going complementary rights of EU citizens in the UK and vice versa

• but no customs union, no Norway-style place in the common market
  

Ta.

:)

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

Still, if nuances don’t count. A deal was there on the table and they had the numbers to vote it through. Now they have neither.

Why should they vote for a disastrous deal that puts the UK at a distinct disadvantage.

They were never going to get a deal to their advantage.

It would be a good idea if the far lefties here read and/or listened more from people with a less biased view. This is not an Alt Right opinion, as anyone who disagrees with the commonly held left views here, just a quest for balance.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

Still, if nuances don’t count. A deal was there on the table and they had the numbers to vote it through. Now they have neither.

Why should they vote for a disastrous deal that puts the UK at a distinct disadvantage.

They were never going to get a deal to their advantage.

Fifth biggest world economy vs young union already in trouble and about to lose it’s second biggest member state. The UK was not at a disadvantage. Only Germany is more important to the survival of the EU than the UK, and Germany is tied to supporting all the other states… UK made the decision they were not going to be so burdened.

Member or not, the UK is important to the survival of the EU. Hell yeah they could have got a deal to their advantage.

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Why should they vote for a disastrous deal that puts the UK at a distinct disadvantage.

They were never going to get a deal to their advantage.

It would be a good idea if the far lefties here read and/or listened more from people with a less biased view. This is not an Alt Right opinion, as anyone who disagrees with the commonly held left views here, just a quest for balance.

Remain is not the leftist view, it is classic economics textbook stuff. The left as represented by Corbyn and his cronies are leavers too, but want a different sort of deal to what Johsnon and his cronies are after.

Nicola Sturgeon declares ‘shameful’ Boris Johnson ‘must now resign’ over Brexit fiasco

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-declares-shameful-boris-johnson-must-now-resign-over-brexit-fiasco-1-5010396

Nicola Sturgeon has delivered a scathing assessment of Boris Johnson’s Government, declaring the Prime Minister must resign in the wake of today’s UK Supreme Court verdict.

The UK’s highest court had earlier upheld the judgement of the Court of Session that prorogation of the House of Commons was unlawful.

Speaking in Holyrood, the First Minister said the ruling was of enormous significance to the Scottish Parliament and to Scotland.

She said the Supreme Court judgement called into question the UK Government’s commitment to “basic democratic values” and declared the “abnormal” should not be allowed to become “acceptable”.

In a statement at the Scottish Parliament, the First Minister said there must be a clear recognition the Prime Minister should be held responsible for the “fiasco” that has been created.

-more.

Speaker John Bercow talks about Supreme Court ruling
https://www.facebook.com/RTUKnews/videos/438935953648127/?t=109

Parliament to be back tomorrow morning.

The shameful are, paradoxically, often shameless

esselte said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Why should they vote for a disastrous deal that puts the UK at a distinct disadvantage.

They were never going to get a deal to their advantage.

Fifth biggest world economy vs young union already in trouble and about to lose it’s second biggest member state. The UK was not at a disadvantage. Only Germany is more important to the survival of the EU than the UK, and Germany is tied to supporting all the other states… UK made the decision they were not going to be so burdened.

Member or not, the UK is important to the survival of the EU. Hell yeah they could have got a deal to their advantage.

Show working:

Today’s Telegraph/Comres snap poll, taken after the news that the prorogation was considered unlawful and hence nullified, shows Labour level with the Conservatives. It should be noted that there has been a wide scatter in polls lately and I wouldn’t put too much stock in this one poll: we’d need to see a few more polls to determine whether there has been a shift in the polling average.

Labour 27%
Conservatives 27%
Lib Dems 20%
Brexit 17%
SNP 4%
Plaid Cym 1%
Other 4%

https://www.comresglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/The-Telegraph-Tables-Snap-Poll-Sept-2019.pdf
Table 7

Meanwhlie on the other side of the Atlantic.

The sister of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has condemned his rhetoric as “tasteless” and “reprehensible” as he faced a storm about his language in the UK Parliament.

“My brother is using words like ‘surrender’ and ‘capitulation’ as if the people standing in the way of the blessed will of the people, as defined by the 17.4 million votes in 2016, should be hung, drawn, quartered, tarred, and feathered,” Rachel Johnson told Sky News. “I think that is highly reprehensible.”
“I think it was particularly tasteless for those who are grieving a mother, MP and friend to say the best way to honor her memory is to deliver the thing she and her family campaigned against — Brexit,” she added.

“It could be Cummings advising the PM to be extremely aggressive. It also could be from, who knows, people who have invested billions in shorting the pound or shorting the country in the expectation of a no-deal Brexit. We don’t know.”

Daily Mail/Survation poll

Nice of them to put it in an Excel spreadsheet.

Conservative 24%
Labour 22%
Libdem 19%
Brexit 14%
SNP 3%
Green 3%
Other 4%
Dunno 11%

dv said:

Daily Mail/Survation poll

Nice of them to put it in an Excel spreadsheet.

Conservative 24%
Labour 22%
Libdem 19%
Brexit 14%
SNP 3%
Green 3%
Other 4%
Dunno 11%

Yet the Gran had the Tories up by 12 or 13% in an article this morning. The polling is all over the place.

The Queen ‘sought advice on sacking PM’

THE Queen is said to have sought counsel from her aides on the 
circumstances under which she could sack a Prime Minister for the first time in her 67-year reign.

dv said:

The Queen ‘sought advice on sacking PM’

THE Queen is said to have sought counsel from her aides on the 
circumstances under which she could sack a Prime Minister for the first time in her 67-year reign.

When he’s a complete and utter shitgoblin?

dv said:

The Queen ‘sought advice on sacking PM’

THE Queen is said to have sought counsel from her aides on the 
circumstances under which she could sack a Prime Minister for the first time in her 67-year reign.

Wow.

dv said:

The Queen ‘sought advice on sacking PM’

THE Queen is said to have sought counsel from her aides on the 
circumstances under which she could sack a Prime Minister for the first time in her 67-year reign.

I wonder if she’s ever heard of a bloke called Whitlam?

sibeen said:

dv said:

The Queen ‘sought advice on sacking PM’

THE Queen is said to have sought counsel from her aides on the 
circumstances under which she could sack a Prime Minister for the first time in her 67-year reign.

I wonder if she’s ever heard of a bloke called Whitlam?

probably not.

dv said:

The Queen ‘sought advice on sacking PM’

THE Queen is said to have sought counsel from her aides on the 
circumstances under which she could sack a Prime Minister for the first time in her 67-year reign.

At least the second, surely?

dv said:

The Queen ‘sought advice on sacking PM’

THE Queen is said to have sought counsel from her aides on the 
circumstances under which she could sack a Prime Minister for the first time in her 67-year reign.

Grrr. A perfectly good Tower and guards standing around bored….come on Queenie, you know you want to.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

The Queen ‘sought advice on sacking PM’

THE Queen is said to have sought counsel from her aides on the 
circumstances under which she could sack a Prime Minister for the first time in her 67-year reign.

I wonder if she’s ever heard of a bloke called Whitlam?

probably not.

FMD she doesn’t have dementia and the dismissal wasn’t that long ago.

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

I wonder if she’s ever heard of a bloke called Whitlam?

probably not.

FMD she doesn’t have dementia and the dismissal wasn’t that long ago.

She didn’t dismiss Gough, it was that Kerr who was G-G at the time what did it. The Queen is irrelevant to Australia and what goes on down here.

The Palace has said that they don’t comment on rumours.

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

probably not.

FMD she doesn’t have dementia and the dismissal wasn’t that long ago.

She didn’t dismiss Gough, it was that Kerr who was G-G at the time what did it. The Queen is irrelevant to Australia and what goes on down here.

Kerr corresponded with the Queen in the days preceding the dismissal.

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

FMD she doesn’t have dementia and the dismissal wasn’t that long ago.

She didn’t dismiss Gough, it was that Kerr who was G-G at the time what did it. The Queen is irrelevant to Australia and what goes on down here.

Kerr corresponded with the Queen in the days preceding the dismissal.

Probably telling her to STFU and that he was going to do as he saw fit.

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

She didn’t dismiss Gough, it was that Kerr who was G-G at the time what did it. The Queen is irrelevant to Australia and what goes on down here.

Kerr corresponded with the Queen in the days preceding the dismissal.

Probably telling her to STFU and that he was going to do as he saw fit.

Probably wrote:

Dear Your Highness Majesty,

Hope you are well etc etc.

Anyway I, John Adolf Kerr, governor-general of the Province of Orstralia, humbly beg leave to boot out the elected government and install one of my own choosing.

Your fat drunk Servant,

John Kerr
xxxx + white power symbol

Conservative Cotswolds MP Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown has been arrested following an altercation at the Conservative Party Conference.

dv said:

Conservative Cotswolds MP Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown has been arrested following an altercation at the Conservative Party Conference.

We live in unsettled times.

dv said:

Conservative Cotswolds MP Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown has been arrested following an altercation at the Conservative Party Conference.

Bing has yet to report any arrests.

It does say there was a small misunderstanding resulting in a 20 minute lockdown, and him being either asked or told to leave, or being kicked out.

All sounds very strange.

dv said:

Conservative Cotswolds MP Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown has been arrested following an altercation at the Conservative Party Conference.

why do so many of the gentry have hyphenated names?

Dropbear said:

dv said:

Conservative Cotswolds MP Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown has been arrested following an altercation at the Conservative Party Conference.

why do so many of the gentry have hyphenated names?

Give them class perhaps or they are quite inbreed and it’s an amalgam of close cousins names

dv said:

Conservative Cotswolds MP Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown has been arrested following an altercation at the Conservative Party Conference.

That just wont do, going public like that.
In my day if the chaps found out one of the chaps was doing the wrong thing, getting Brahms and Liszt and rogering the wrong filly so to speak we wouldn’t muck around, we’d have the chap straight out to lunch.

Dropbear said:

dv said:

Conservative Cotswolds MP Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown has been arrested following an altercation at the Conservative Party Conference.

why do so many of the gentry have hyphenated names?

When families are distinguished they like to keep the family name after marriage so the lineage is somewhat preserved. Especially when the wife’s family is more prestigious.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Dropbear said:

dv said:

Conservative Cotswolds MP Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown has been arrested following an altercation at the Conservative Party Conference.

why do so many of the gentry have hyphenated names?

When families are distinguished they like to keep the family name after marriage so the lineage is somewhat preserved. Especially when the wife’s family is more prestigious.

cheers ! that makes a lot of sense..

Dropbear said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Dropbear said:

why do so many of the gentry have hyphenated names?

When families are distinguished they like to keep the family name after marriage so the lineage is somewhat preserved. Especially when the wife’s family is more prestigious.

cheers ! that makes a lot of sense..

Audrey Forbes-Hamilton for example

Cymek said:

Dropbear said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

When families are distinguished they like to keep the family name after marriage so the lineage is somewhat preserved. Especially when the wife’s family is more prestigious.

cheers ! that makes a lot of sense..

Audrey Forbes-Hamilton for example

LOL

I wonder how many three or four name hyphenations there are then.. or do even the english think that’s all a bit silly.

Dropbear said:

I wonder how many three or four name hyphenations there are then.. or do even the english think that’s all a bit silly.

Also is the – silent or pronounced

Dropbear said:

I wonder how many three or four name hyphenations there are then.. or do even the english think that’s all a bit silly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roualeyn_Hovell-Thurlow-Cumming-Bruce,_9th_Baron_Thurlow

Roualeyn Robert Hovell-Thurlow-Cumming-Bruce, 9th Baron Thurlow (born 13 April 1952), is a British hereditary peer and chartered surveyor who sits as a crossbench member of the House of Lords.

dv said:

Dropbear said:

I wonder how many three or four name hyphenations there are then.. or do even the english think that’s all a bit silly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roualeyn_Hovell-Thurlow-Cumming-Bruce,_9th_Baron_Thurlow

Roualeyn Robert Hovell-Thurlow-Cumming-Bruce, 9th Baron Thurlow (born 13 April 1952), is a British hereditary peer and chartered surveyor who sits as a crossbench member of the House of Lords.

if you don’t pronounce each and every hyphen in that name, then you’re not the kind of person I want to party with.

Dropbear said:

I wonder how many three or four name hyphenations there are then.. or do even the english think that’s all a bit silly.

Some royal surnames are really long. The Danish royals are the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburgs.

In other news, the BoJo is claiming some kind of victory in achieving a deal with the EU that solves the NI backstop, by effectively breaking up his own country and conceding to reunification after 4 years.

Now he needs parliament to approve it. The DUP are said to be furious and think it is an act of betrayal. Labour have said they will not support the break-up of the union, even though some MPs in some constituencies that heavily voted leave might break ranks and vote for any leave deal. So Boris needs the support of the conservative rebels he’s just kicked out of the party, plus enough Labour rebels to get this over the line. The SNP seem to be the only party in favour, not because they think it is good for the UK, but they see it as the first step to breaking up the UK and getting Scottish independence along similar lines.

So there you have it. Brexit is really about England only, and primarily the richer south of England. But the irony is that they mostly voted remain and the poorer northern parts of England voted leave.

Can’t even blame Boomers for half the stuff these days. Scomo and Bojo are Gen-Xers

dv said:

Can’t even blame Boomers for half the stuff these days. Scomo and Bojo are Gen-Xers

Phew. I’m off the hook!

dv said:

Can’t even blame Boomers for half the stuff these days. Scomo and Bojo are Gen-Xers

Careful. TRD will mount his favourite horse.

Ian said:

dv said:

Can’t even blame Boomers for half the stuff these days. Scomo and Bojo are Gen-Xers

Careful. TRD will mount his favourite horse.

We might get away with it if we can distract him with the biomass and carbon neutral argument.

party_pants said:

Ian said:

dv said:

Can’t even blame Boomers for half the stuff these days. Scomo and Bojo are Gen-Xers

Careful. TRD will mount his favourite horse.

We might get away with it if we can distract him with the biomass and carbon neutral argument.

It’s hard to push a barrow while on a high horse

Ian said:

dv said:

Can’t even blame Boomers for half the stuff these days. Scomo and Bojo are Gen-Xers

Careful. TRD will mount his favourite horse.

No, I’ll let this one pass.

I’m quite happy to blame Gen Xers for everything.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Ian said:

dv said:

Can’t even blame Boomers for half the stuff these days. Scomo and Bojo are Gen-Xers

Careful. TRD will mount his favourite horse.

No, I’ll let this one pass.

I’m quite happy to blame Gen Xers for everything.

Hang on a minute, my daughters are Gen Xers, and it’s not their fault.

It’s the male Gen Xers that are to blame.

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Ian said:

Careful. TRD will mount his favourite horse.

No, I’ll let this one pass.

I’m quite happy to blame Gen Xers for everything.

Hang on a minute, my daughters are Gen Xers, and it’s not their fault.

It’s the male Gen Xers that are to blame.

Those and Generation Alpha

Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

No, I’ll let this one pass.

I’m quite happy to blame Gen Xers for everything.

Hang on a minute, my daughters are Gen Xers, and it’s not their fault.

It’s the male Gen Xers that are to blame.

Those and Generation Alpha

Never heard of Gen Alpha. I had to look it up. I don’t really “get” this gen thing. I “get” the label baby boomers. Post war, when the men came back, there was a baby boom. But all the others are just labels for the sake of labels. It’s a continuum, folks.

buffy said:

Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Hang on a minute, my daughters are Gen Xers, and it’s not their fault.

It’s the male Gen Xers that are to blame.

Those and Generation Alpha

Never heard of Gen Alpha. I had to look it up. I don’t really “get” this gen thing. I “get” the label baby boomers. Post war, when the men came back, there was a baby boom. But all the others are just labels for the sake of labels. It’s a continuum, folks.

What is the name for the group of people who have an irresistible urge to lump people into named and labelled groups?

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Ian said:

Those and Generation Alpha

Never heard of Gen Alpha. I had to look it up. I don’t really “get” this gen thing. I “get” the label baby boomers. Post war, when the men came back, there was a baby boom. But all the others are just labels for the sake of labels. It’s a continuum, folks.

What is the name for the group of people who have an irresistible urge to lump people into named and labelled groups?

Statisticians.

Or arseholes.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Ian said:

Those and Generation Alpha

Never heard of Gen Alpha. I had to look it up. I don’t really “get” this gen thing. I “get” the label baby boomers. Post war, when the men came back, there was a baby boom. But all the others are just labels for the sake of labels. It’s a continuum, folks.

What is the name for the group of people who have an irresistible urge to lump people into named and labelled groups?

politician
journalist

??

Alpha is what comes after Z. I wish they’d gone Sanskrit… eka, dvi

sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Never heard of Gen Alpha. I had to look it up. I don’t really “get” this gen thing. I “get” the label baby boomers. Post war, when the men came back, there was a baby boom. But all the others are just labels for the sake of labels. It’s a continuum, folks.

What is the name for the group of people who have an irresistible urge to lump people into named and labelled groups?

Statisticians.

Or arseholes.

:)

I couldn’t possibly comment.

party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Never heard of Gen Alpha. I had to look it up. I don’t really “get” this gen thing. I “get” the label baby boomers. Post war, when the men came back, there was a baby boom. But all the others are just labels for the sake of labels. It’s a continuum, folks.

What is the name for the group of people who have an irresistible urge to lump people into named and labelled groups?

politician
journalist

??

Economist
Social researcher
Meja in general

Ian said:

party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What is the name for the group of people who have an irresistible urge to lump people into named and labelled groups?

politician
journalist

??

Economist
Social researcher
Meja in general

Marketer

Neophyte said:

Ian said:

party_pants said:

politician
journalist

??

Economist
Social researcher
Meja in general

Marketer

Probably this one. Unfortunately.

What I think will happen.

Bojo-: I move that the new deal be agreed to.
Spreaker-: The Nos have it, the motion is defeated.
Corbyn-: I move than a new referendum be agreed to.
Speaker-: The Nos have it, the motion is defeated.
Bojo-: I move that the House be dissolved and a general election be held on xx/xx/xx.
Speaker-: The Nos have it, the motion is defeated.

Then I don’t know if this is possible.

The Queen-: Due to the impass in the House I herby dissolve Parliament and call for a general election on xx/xx/xx.

Peak Warming Man said:

What I think will happen.

Bojo-: I move that the new deal be agreed to.
Spreaker-: The Nos have it, the motion is defeated.
Corbyn-: I move than a new referendum be agreed to.
Speaker-: The Nos have it, the motion is defeated.
Bojo-: I move that the House be dissolved and a general election be held on xx/xx/xx.
Speaker-: The Nos have it, the motion is defeated.

Then I don’t know if this is possible.

The Queen-: Due to the impass in the House I herby dissolve Parliament and call for a general election on xx/xx/xx.

I don’t think the Queen would do that. if anything she can sack the PM and appoint another member of parliament to be the new PM. It would be up to the house to decide if the new kid has the confidence of the house or not. If the PM is ousted by a confidence vote they have 14 days to vote a new PM, otherwise a general election is automatically triggered. So I think the Queen would just try for a new PM and if the house don’t like her or him they can trigger an election themselves.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Ian said:

Those and Generation Alpha

Never heard of Gen Alpha. I had to look it up. I don’t really “get” this gen thing. I “get” the label baby boomers. Post war, when the men came back, there was a baby boom. But all the others are just labels for the sake of labels. It’s a continuum, folks.

What is the name for the group of people who have an irresistible urge to lump people into named and labelled groups?

ask Transition.

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Never heard of Gen Alpha. I had to look it up. I don’t really “get” this gen thing. I “get” the label baby boomers. Post war, when the men came back, there was a baby boom. But all the others are just labels for the sake of labels. It’s a continuum, folks.

What is the name for the group of people who have an irresistible urge to lump people into named and labelled groups?

ask Transition.

Lumpists?

The knee challenged cripple will be along shortly with some more insight, hopefully.

Peak Warming Man said:

The knee challenged cripple will be along shortly with some more insight, hopefully.

Ooh err. PWM said cripple.

What a palooka

Brexit news latest: Boris Johnson sends ‘unsigned’ letter to EU requesting extension to Brexit deadline

Boris Johnson has sent an unsigned photocopy of a request to delay Brexit from MPs, stressing it is “Parliament’s letter” and not his.

In a move to distance himself from the legally required request, Mr Johnson got a senior diplomat to send a letter asking to extend the October 31 deadline, but without his signature

Commons Speaker John Bercow has ruled out an attempt by the government to hold another ‘meaningful vote’ on Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal this afternoon.

Mr Bercow said a vote on the agreement would be “repetitive and disorderly” because a motion to approve the deal was put before MPs on Saturday.

The Speaker told MPs that it was “clear that the motions are in substance” even though a vote didn’t take place on Saturday after the government lost a vote on an amendment from Sir Oliver Letwin, which withholds approval for the Brexit deal until the Withdrawal Agreement Implementation Bill (WAIB) is passed.

The WAIB will be published later today, and is expected to be voted on at second reading tomorrow.

Downing Street has warned that if MPs attach amendments to the legislation seeking to keep the UK in the EU customs union and put the Brexit deal to a referendum, the government may be forced to withdraw the agreement altogether.

Mr Bercow said: “Today’s motion is in substance the same as Saturday’s motion, and the House has decided the matter.

“Today’s circumstances are in substance the same as Saturday’s circumstances.

“My ruling is therefore that the motion will not be debated today as it would be repetitive and disorderly to do so.”

Mr Bercow said the “same question convention” is “a necessary rule to ensure the sensible use of the House’s time, and proper respect for the decisions that it takes”.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/john-bercow-blocks-vote-on-boris-johnson-s-brexit-deal-1-5030253

British journalists have become part of Johnson’s fake news machine

“Number 10 probes Remain MPs’ ‘foreign collusion’.” This huge banner headline dominated the front page of The Mail on Sunday on 29 September.

Turn to page 2 and “a senior No 10 source” was quoted in bold type: “The government is working on extensive investigations into Dominic Grieve, Oliver Letwin and Hilary Benn and their involvement with foreign powers and the funding of their activities. Governments have proper rules for drafting legislation, but nobody knows what organisations are pulling these strings.”

This story was granted huge prominence and followed up the next day by the Daily Express, Sun, Times and the alt-right news site Breitbart.

On the BBC’s ‘Today’ programme the following Tuesday, presenter Nick Robinson asked Prime Minister Boris Johnson about the investigation. Johnson gave credibility to the story when he declared there were “legitimate questions” to be asked of the MPs.

But Robinson didn’t ask the obvious question. Was there an investigation at all?

I rang Dominic Grieve. He told me he had not sought the help of any foreign government “in drafting and tabling a British statute”.

He added that he was “not in receipt of any sources of foreign funding”. Nor, he said, had he been contacted by Downing Street or anyone else about any investigation.

I then rang the Downing Street press office, and asked an official whether there was an investigation as stated in The Mail on Sunday.

He told me categorically: “No investigation.”

Yesterday a Cabinet Office spokesperson told openDemocracy: “There was never such an investigation.”

In other words, the Mail on Sunday splash that Downing Street was investigating Grieve, Letwin and Benn was fabrication. Fake News.

There has, however, been no retraction from The Mail on Sunday. As far as the newspaper’s readers are concerned, the story remains true and the senior British politicians behind the Benn Act continue to be investigated for suspicious involvement with foreign powers.

—-

There’s been a lot of this sort of thing over the past two months. Dodgy stories and commentary linked to Downing Street or government sources started to appear in the press and media after Johnson installed his own media team, which was largely drawn from the Vote Leave campaign that won the 2016 Brexit referendum.

With the prime minister’s evident encouragement these Downing Street or government sources have been spreading lies, misrepresentations, smears and falsehoods around Fleet Street and across the major TV channels. Political editors lap it all up.

Glen Owen, the political editor behind the Mail on Sunday banner headline, is a senior and respected journalist. Though he correctly wouldn’t comment on his sources when I approached him, I am sure he didn’t invent his “senior No 10 source”. He will certainly have been briefed by powerful people who worked inside Downing Street.

Nevertheless, his story was a fabrication. Not Glen Owen’s fabrication. One made up by his Downing Street source.

Well it took a while but well done Bojo.
There’ll still be a lot of minutiae to fight over, things like subsidies for the Welsh leek but the package has been approved by the EU and the UK so onward to s sunli……………to a partially cloudy with intermittent rain upland.

Peak Warming Man said:

Well it took a while but well done Bojo.
There’ll still be a lot of minutiae to fight over, things like subsidies for the Welsh leek but the package has been approved by the EU and the UK so onward to s sunli……………to a partially cloudy with intermittent rain upland.

The border in Ireland is going to be a big hurdle.

• The border in Ireland is going to be a big hurdle.

With razor wire on it? Hurdles don’t make a good barrier because if they are too big to get over, you can just go under them…

furious said:

• The border in Ireland is going to be a big hurdle.

With razor wire on it? Hurdles don’t make a good barrier because if they are too big to get over, you can just go under them…

It’s the Irish we’re talking about.

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/10/22/uk/boris-johnson-still-has-a-mountain-to-climb-intl-gbr/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F

Johnson wants to get Brexit done by Halloween. It’s going to be a nightmare

On Tuesday night, the UK Prime Minister could take heart from the fact that he achieved something that eluded his predecessor Theresa May, when, for the first time in this tortuous process, Parliament finally declared itself in favor of something related to Brexit.

It was not quite the “meaningful vote” on the substance of his deal that Johnson craved — that fell by the wayside on Saturday — but it was a positive result nonetheless.

Technically, Members of Parliament (MPs) agreed to advance Johnson’s Withdrawal Agreement Bill through the House of Commons. The Prime Minister won by a pretty comfortable margin of 30 — no small thing for a government with a majority of minus 40.

But the celebrations were short lived. Just a few minutes later, lawmakers defied Johnson in a second vote when they rejected his plans for an accelerated legislative timetable, throwing a big pile of rocks into his road.

• throwing a big pile of rocks into his road.

A pile of rocks works much better as a barrier than a hurdle…

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well it took a while but well done Bojo.
There’ll still be a lot of minutiae to fight over, things like subsidies for the Welsh leek but the package has been approved by the EU and the UK so onward to s sunli……………to a partially cloudy with intermittent rain upland.

The border in Ireland is going to be a big hurdle.

I think they’ve got around that by basically declaring Ireland one land and the border with the EU is now in the Irish sea, or something like that.

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well it took a while but well done Bojo.
There’ll still be a lot of minutiae to fight over, things like subsidies for the Welsh leek but the package has been approved by the EU and the UK so onward to s sunli……………to a partially cloudy with intermittent rain upland.

The border in Ireland is going to be a big hurdle.

I think they’ve got around that by basically declaring Ireland one land and the border with the EU is now in the Irish sea, or something like that.

The Northern Irish won’t like giving up the £.

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

The border in Ireland is going to be a big hurdle.

I think they’ve got around that by basically declaring Ireland one land and the border with the EU is now in the Irish sea, or something like that.

The Northern Irish won’t like giving up the £.

They’re not.

First doggo.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/23/boris-johnson-is-trying-to-will-brexit-into-existence-with-every-strand-of-his-deliberately-unfeasible-hair

Bogsnorkler said:

bump

are we out yet?

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

bump

are we out yet?

sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

bump

are we out yet?

PMSL.

Bloody good one.

The EU have decided to kick the can along to 31 January.

Enough time for general election in December.

dv said:

Phoaw!!!

dv said:

is that the 31st oct this year?

U.K. to Destroy Commemorative 50p Coins in Brexit Meltdown
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Thousands of 50-pence coins minted to commemorate Brexit on Oct. 31 will be melted down after Prime Minister Boris Johnson accepted an extension from the European Union

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-28/u-k-to-destroy-commemorative-50p-coins-in-brexit-meltdown

Boris Johnson Fails To Win Backing From MPs For December 12 General ElectionThird time unlucky: polling day bid defeated after Corbyn refuses to give support. But a slightly earlier date still an option.

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-election-vote-commons-defeat-latest_uk_5db716eee4b079eb95a7a19a?ncid=fcbklnkukhpmg00000001&guccounter=1

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

is that the 31st oct this year?

Hollow een

So they’ve got an extension, but no general election. Corbyn has so utterly failed at leadership on this issue that labour now trail badly in the polls and he can’t afford to go to an election.

The Lib-Dems and SNP are talking about putting forward a bill to hold a general election, but it will probably be on the basis on extending the vote the 16 & 17 year olds or proportional representation or something like that, which both the Tories and Labour will oppose.

So they’ll linger on for another 3 months without an election and the numbers still deadlocked in parliament to get anything done. Labour need to dump Corbyn now and go for a strongly remain leader.

The only thing they can do without an election is have parliament go through Bojo’s withdrawal agreement clause by clause and amend it as necessary to make it workable, and actually pass some kind of Brexit legislation, even if it ends up a bit different to what the Brexiteers want. It will be a watered down half arsed brexit that achieves the worst of both worlds and Labour will get the blame for everything that goes wrong with it. Fucking Corbyn is such a dumb arse.

Labour is backing an early election, so it seems likely that it will be held in December.

Last time round, on this forum, I predicted correctly the outcome using regional polls but also using the matrix of “whom did you vote for last time/ whom will you vote for this time”? My prediction of the number of Tory seats was out by 1, and I wish I’d published on a bigger platform because I was just about the only one who correctly predicted that the Conservatives would lose a swag of seats to Labour.

I’ll start running my analysis again once the election is called, but on the face of it the most likely outcome is that the Conservatives will lose more seats and no longer be able to govern with just the aid of DUP: a Con/LD coalition would get them over the line and I wouldn’t fall off my chair if that is what actually happens.

The real fucker is going to be the Brexit party: how much of the Conservatives grass are they going to cut?

How is a Conservstive /Lib-Dem coalition going to work if one are pro hard Brexit and the other are the party for Remain?

I predict the out come will be a three way split between Conservative, Labour and Lib-Dem with neither able to form a majority in their own right, but any combination of two with defeat the third.

A general election should never be a single issue thing, but this one is going to be Brexit front and centre.

party_pants said:

How is a Conservstive /Lib-Dem coalition going to work if one are pro hard Brexit and the other are the party for Remain?

The LD’s are not highly principled.

dv said:

party_pants said:

How is a Conservstive /Lib-Dem coalition going to work if one are pro hard Brexit and the other are the party for Remain?

The LD’s are not highly principled.

At this juncture, I’m thinking Labour will leak more votes to the LibDems than the Tories will lose to the BP.

dv said:

party_pants said:

How is a Conservstive /Lib-Dem coalition going to work if one are pro hard Brexit and the other are the party for Remain?

The LD’s are not highly principled.

Not on this.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/30/tactical-voting-could-deliver-remain-victory-in-election-study?fbclid=IwAR1Lxafwr5ypNXGJqiJDbXIj0iyyvqotnsBrrLDXnP2vExOJj3qi4y5JUTI

A new tactical voting website has been criticised for advising pro-remain voters to back the Liberal Democrats in some seats where the party is way behind Labour, including key knife-edge marginals against the Conservatives.

The website, launched by the pro-remain Best for Britain organisation, suggested that voters should back the Lib Dems in Kensington, where the Labour MP Emma Dent Coad has a majority of just 20 against her Tory opponent.

The Lib Dems received just 4,724 votes there in 2017 compared with 16,313 for the Tories and 16,333 for Labour.

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/30/tactical-voting-could-deliver-remain-victory-in-election-study?fbclid=IwAR1Lxafwr5ypNXGJqiJDbXIj0iyyvqotnsBrrLDXnP2vExOJj3qi4y5JUTI

A new tactical voting website has been criticised for advising pro-remain voters to back the Liberal Democrats in some seats where the party is way behind Labour, including key knife-edge marginals against the Conservatives.

The website, launched by the pro-remain Best for Britain organisation, suggested that voters should back the Lib Dems in Kensington, where the Labour MP Emma Dent Coad has a majority of just 20 against her Tory opponent.

The Lib Dems received just 4,724 votes there in 2017 compared with 16,313 for the Tories and 16,333 for Labour.

How strongly or weakly did they vote Remain in the referendum though, that is the question.

But of course a Pro-remain mob are going to recommend voting Lib Dem, because they are so far the only outwardly Remain party.

party_pants said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/30/tactical-voting-could-deliver-remain-victory-in-election-study?fbclid=IwAR1Lxafwr5ypNXGJqiJDbXIj0iyyvqotnsBrrLDXnP2vExOJj3qi4y5JUTI

A new tactical voting website has been criticised for advising pro-remain voters to back the Liberal Democrats in some seats where the party is way behind Labour, including key knife-edge marginals against the Conservatives.

The website, launched by the pro-remain Best for Britain organisation, suggested that voters should back the Lib Dems in Kensington, where the Labour MP Emma Dent Coad has a majority of just 20 against her Tory opponent.

The Lib Dems received just 4,724 votes there in 2017 compared with 16,313 for the Tories and 16,333 for Labour.

How strongly or weakly did they vote Remain in the referendum though, that is the question.

But of course a Pro-remain mob are going to recommend voting Lib Dem, because they are so far the only outwardly Remain party.

Encouraging people to vote LD in that constituency will basically hand it to the Conservatives, so it is poor strategy if what they want is Remain. Perhaps it is a front for a Conservative group. In Labour consituencies they need to advocate for Labour, so that they’ll get their second referendum.

The UK has crossed the Rubicon, there is no going back now.
The regressive remainers trying to hold onto an old paradigm will be swept away by the new young progressive leavers.

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/30/tactical-voting-could-deliver-remain-victory-in-election-study?fbclid=IwAR1Lxafwr5ypNXGJqiJDbXIj0iyyvqotnsBrrLDXnP2vExOJj3qi4y5JUTI

A new tactical voting website has been criticised for advising pro-remain voters to back the Liberal Democrats in some seats where the party is way behind Labour, including key knife-edge marginals against the Conservatives.

The website, launched by the pro-remain Best for Britain organisation, suggested that voters should back the Lib Dems in Kensington, where the Labour MP Emma Dent Coad has a majority of just 20 against her Tory opponent.

The Lib Dems received just 4,724 votes there in 2017 compared with 16,313 for the Tories and 16,333 for Labour.

How strongly or weakly did they vote Remain in the referendum though, that is the question.

But of course a Pro-remain mob are going to recommend voting Lib Dem, because they are so far the only outwardly Remain party.

Encouraging people to vote LD in that constituency will basically hand it to the Conservatives, so it is poor strategy if what they want is Remain. Perhaps it is a front for a Conservative group. In Labour consituencies they need to advocate for Labour, so that they’ll get their second referendum.

A second referendum looks unlikely now, given the extension is only till Jan 31. There will not be time to carry it out or implement the result before the deadline comes up. It might be all done by then. I guess they were banking on the EU offering a longer extension like one or two years giving time for a GE followed by a referendum in the middle of the year, but now that would be hoping the EU extends for a third time. I reckon they’re discounting the referendum option now and going straight for outright cancellation.