On September 20 an estimated 300,000 people in Australia and 4 million worldwide took part in the protests -
Lismore
Byron Bay
Sydney
The Guardian did an excellent job covering events around the globe.
Grafton
Well done.
Rebel without a cause.
mollwollfumble said:
Rebel without a cause.
Maybe you should switch your contrarian focus elsewhere.
Yes yes, i know, i can’t throw stones. In my innocent youth i did join a protest against uranium mining.
A protest against coal mining is no different.
Except that, well, you can’t make a nuclear bomb from a ton of coal.
The protest pissed me off so much that i never went again.
There apparently some places who are holding their demos next week.
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We have 3 demands:
1. No new coal, oil and gas projects, including the Adani mine.
2. 100% renewable energy generation, and exports by 2030
3. Fund a just transition and job creation for all fossil-fuel workers and communities.
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Jonathan Watts, the Guardian’s global environment editor, has written about young activists calling for north-south solidarity to the tackle climate emergency. He writes:
While previous generations failed to notice the slowly shifting baselines, today’s young will watch the sixth great wave of extinction accelerate before their eyes. Due to warming seas and acid bleaching, coral reef systems will flicker out one by one. Species that existed for millions of years will tip into the abyss. Among those closest to the edge are the black rhino, the Chinese giant salamander, the Siberian crane, the Western gorilla, the Ganges dolphin, Bactrian camels, Pygmi sloths and Attenborough’s long-beaked echidna. Thousands of species of insects, plants and amphibians may go extinct before they are discovered. For many young people today, their only chance of seeing unspoiled beaches, savannahs, reefs and forests will be on old documentaries, 3D interactives or their grandparents’ holiday videos. Picturesque landscapes that defined communities and nations will be transformed.
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Cleaning up greenhouse gases has myriad beneficial side effects, including cleaner air as diesel and petrol cars are taken off the roads in favour of electric vehicles, public transport and walking or cycling. Our knowledge of the harms of air pollution has expanded dramatically in the past few years: we now know air pollutants can be found in all human organs, and it is linked not only to respiratory problems and heart disease but also dementia, developmental problems and miscarriage.
In some ways, the cleaning up of air pollution is easier to explain than climate chaos because people can see and feel air pollution more clearly than the link between invisible carbon dioxide and extreme weather, and increasingly air pollution campaigners are making the link with climate benefits from moving away from coal and diesel in particular.
Molly will be heartened by the words of Craig Kelly:
I understand how persuasive that peer group pressure can be for teenagers and their desire to conform and fit in with the crowd.
However, I would say to any student considering joining the so-called climate protest, don’t be a sheep and think for yourself because you are being used and manipulated and everything you are told is a lie.
The facts are, there is no link between climate change and drought. Polar bears are increasing in number. Today’s generation is safer from extreme weather at any time in human history.
There is no 97% consensus. Such claims are a fraud. Crop yields have increased remarkably, wildfires have declined 25% over the past two decades, we are seeing less cyclones, not more.
Cold weather kills many times more than hot weather, including here in Australia. The sea ice is not melting away.
In fact, where the ill-fated Franklin expedition sailed in 1845, this year is blocked by thick sea ice.
Renewables ain’t renewable and they certainly don’t make electricity cheaper. And if you are worried about sea level rise, I suggest that you get some old photos of Fort Denison, get the tide gauge data and go and have a look for yourself.
Don’t take my word. I encourage all students in my electorate to study the science and learn for themselves.
.
(He used to play first grade rugby union.)
Ian said:
Molly will be heartened by the words of Craig Kelly:I understand how persuasive that peer group pressure can be for teenagers and their desire to conform and fit in with the crowd.
However, I would say to any student considering joining the so-called climate protest, don’t be a sheep and think for yourself because you are being used and manipulated and everything you are told is a lie.
The facts are, there is no link between climate change and drought. Polar bears are increasing in number. Today’s generation is safer from extreme weather at any time in human history.
There is no 97% consensus. Such claims are a fraud. Crop yields have increased remarkably, wildfires have declined 25% over the past two decades, we are seeing less cyclones, not more.
Cold weather kills many times more than hot weather, including here in Australia. The sea ice is not melting away.
In fact, where the ill-fated Franklin expedition sailed in 1845, this year is blocked by thick sea ice.
Renewables ain’t renewable and they certainly don’t make electricity cheaper. And if you are worried about sea level rise, I suggest that you get some old photos of Fort Denison, get the tide gauge data and go and have a look for yourself.
Don’t take my word. I encourage all students in my electorate to study the science and learn for themselves.
.
(He used to play first grade rugby union.)
The only way to make these people see sense is to put a bullet in their brain.
PermeateFree said:
Ian said:
Molly will be heartened by the words of Craig Kelly:I understand how persuasive that peer group pressure can be for teenagers and their desire to conform and fit in with the crowd.
However, I would say to any student considering joining the so-called climate protest, don’t be a sheep and think for yourself because you are being used and manipulated and everything you are told is a lie.
The facts are, there is no link between climate change and drought. Polar bears are increasing in number. Today’s generation is safer from extreme weather at any time in human history.
There is no 97% consensus. Such claims are a fraud. Crop yields have increased remarkably, wildfires have declined 25% over the past two decades, we are seeing less cyclones, not more.
Cold weather kills many times more than hot weather, including here in Australia. The sea ice is not melting away.
In fact, where the ill-fated Franklin expedition sailed in 1845, this year is blocked by thick sea ice.
Renewables ain’t renewable and they certainly don’t make electricity cheaper. And if you are worried about sea level rise, I suggest that you get some old photos of Fort Denison, get the tide gauge data and go and have a look for yourself.
Don’t take my word. I encourage all students in my electorate to study the science and learn for themselves.
.
(He used to play first grade rugby union.)
The only way to make these people see sense is to put a bullet in their brain.
They’ll come around when their coastal mansions are knee-deep. Well at least you’d hope they will.
PermeateFree said:
Ian said:
Molly will be heartened by the words of Craig Kelly:I understand how persuasive that peer group pressure can be for teenagers and their desire to conform and fit in with the crowd.
However, I would say to any student considering joining the so-called climate protest, don’t be a sheep and think for yourself because you are being used and manipulated and everything you are told is a lie.
The facts are, there is no link between climate change and drought. Polar bears are increasing in number. Today’s generation is safer from extreme weather at any time in human history.
There is no 97% consensus. Such claims are a fraud. Crop yields have increased remarkably, wildfires have declined 25% over the past two decades, we are seeing less cyclones, not more.
Cold weather kills many times more than hot weather, including here in Australia. The sea ice is not melting away.
In fact, where the ill-fated Franklin expedition sailed in 1845, this year is blocked by thick sea ice.
Renewables ain’t renewable and they certainly don’t make electricity cheaper. And if you are worried about sea level rise, I suggest that you get some old photos of Fort Denison, get the tide gauge data and go and have a look for yourself.
Don’t take my word. I encourage all students in my electorate to study the science and learn for themselves.
.
(He used to play first grade rugby union.)
The only way to make these people see sense is to put a bullet in their brain.
Spoken like a true socialist.
Ian said:
Molly will be heartened by the words of Craig Kelly:I understand how persuasive that peer group pressure can be for teenagers and their desire to conform and fit in with the crowd.
However, I would say to any student considering joining the so-called climate protest, don’t be a sheep and think for yourself because you are being used and manipulated and everything you are told is a lie.
The facts are, there is no link between climate change and drought. Polar bears are increasing in number. Today’s generation is safer from extreme weather at any time in human history.
There is no 97% consensus. Such claims are a fraud. Crop yields have increased remarkably, wildfires have declined 25% over the past two decades, we are seeing less cyclones, not more.
Cold weather kills many times more than hot weather, including here in Australia. The sea ice is not melting away.
In fact, where the ill-fated Franklin expedition sailed in 1845, this year is blocked by thick sea ice.
Renewables ain’t renewable and they certainly don’t make electricity cheaper. And if you are worried about sea level rise, I suggest that you get some old photos of Fort Denison, get the tide gauge data and go and have a look for yourself.
Don’t take my word. I encourage all students in my electorate to study the science and learn for themselves.
.
(He used to play first grade rugby union.)
That’s a crock.
Peak Warming Man said:
PermeateFree said:
Ian said:
Molly will be heartened by the words of Craig Kelly:I understand how persuasive that peer group pressure can be for teenagers and their desire to conform and fit in with the crowd.
However, I would say to any student considering joining the so-called climate protest, don’t be a sheep and think for yourself because you are being used and manipulated and everything you are told is a lie.
The facts are, there is no link between climate change and drought. Polar bears are increasing in number. Today’s generation is safer from extreme weather at any time in human history.
There is no 97% consensus. Such claims are a fraud. Crop yields have increased remarkably, wildfires have declined 25% over the past two decades, we are seeing less cyclones, not more.
Cold weather kills many times more than hot weather, including here in Australia. The sea ice is not melting away.
In fact, where the ill-fated Franklin expedition sailed in 1845, this year is blocked by thick sea ice.
Renewables ain’t renewable and they certainly don’t make electricity cheaper. And if you are worried about sea level rise, I suggest that you get some old photos of Fort Denison, get the tide gauge data and go and have a look for yourself.
Don’t take my word. I encourage all students in my electorate to study the science and learn for themselves.
.
(He used to play first grade rugby union.)
The only way to make these people see sense is to put a bullet in their brain.
Spoken like a true socialist.
PF hates socialists.
We true socialists don’t put bullets in people’s brains. We try to educate them, and failing that, we try to counter their influence as best we can, with rational argument.
Ian said:
Molly will be heartened by the words of Craig Kelly:I understand how persuasive that peer group pressure can be for teenagers and their desire to conform and fit in with the crowd.
However, I would say to any student considering joining the so-called climate protest, don’t be a sheep and think for yourself because you are being used and manipulated and everything you are told is a lie.
The facts are, there is no link between climate change and drought. Polar bears are increasing in number. Today’s generation is safer from extreme weather at any time in human history.
There is no 97% consensus. Such claims are a fraud. Crop yields have increased remarkably, wildfires have declined 25% over the past two decades, we are seeing less cyclones, not more.
Cold weather kills many times more than hot weather, including here in Australia. The sea ice is not melting away.
In fact, where the ill-fated Franklin expedition sailed in 1845, this year is blocked by thick sea ice.
Renewables ain’t renewable and they certainly don’t make electricity cheaper. And if you are worried about sea level rise, I suggest that you get some old photos of Fort Denison, get the tide gauge data and go and have a look for yourself.
Don’t take my word. I encourage all students in my electorate to study the science and learn for themselves.
.
(He used to play first grade rugby union.)
Ostrich!
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
PermeateFree said:The only way to make these people see sense is to put a bullet in their brain.
Spoken like a true socialist.
PF hates socialists.
We true socialists don’t put bullets in people’s brains. We try to educate them, and failing that, we try to counter their influence as best we can, with rational argument.
All of the above have been tried, so if not the gun, what else?
I’m sorry, but all and any protests regarding climate change are pointless bullshit; actions of a bored and privileged global elite who don’t have to worry about where their next meal comes from or how many of their children will die before reaching five years of age.
The dangers posed by Anthropogenic Global Warming are too abstract and too remote to elicit any meaningful or timely unified reaction from the global community.
Modern western nations have ridden to abundance on the wagon of environmental degradation and there is no reason to expect that second and third world nations will sacrifice their own near-term potential prosperity to mitigate an abstruse climate catastrophe. We can ask them to, we can shove all the science we like down their throats in a continued-though-modified version of historical Imperialism, but they won’t listen. They can’t afford to listen; and frankly, why should they?
The average man and woman on the ground doesn’t care about AGW. They have more immediate concerns. And this will always translate to political will. Most of the people living in the world today don’t have the benefit of our (yours and mine) standard of living which allows them to priorities stuff like AGW. This has been borne out by recent history… we’ve understood this problem for decades now and still no meaningful mitigation has taken place.
It’s time to stop talking about fighting climate change and start talking about how we are going to adapt to the inevitable.
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:Spoken like a true socialist.
PF hates socialists.
We true socialists don’t put bullets in people’s brains. We try to educate them, and failing that, we try to counter their influence as best we can, with rational argument.
All of the above have been tried, so if not the gun, what else?
You’re going to have ASIO on your tail at this rate.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/what-if-we-stopped-pretending
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/what-if-we-stopped-pretending
I agree that it’s too late to do much, and always has been. We’ve never had the mechanisms for global control and co-operation that are required by this crisis.
Nonetheless facing the challenges is going to require admitting that they’re real.
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:PF hates socialists.
We true socialists don’t put bullets in people’s brains. We try to educate them, and failing that, we try to counter their influence as best we can, with rational argument.
All of the above have been tried, so if not the gun, what else?
You’re going to have ASIO on your tail at this rate.
Look lets stop this namby pamby left wing crap. Global Warming is very, very serious. It is a matter of life or death for the kids of today, so what is the matter with you? It is not like having an argument about picking up litter, but more like being in a Nazi Concentration Camp where the people in charge can’t see anything wrong. This is serious man, for Christ’s treat it so!
Bubblecar said:
We true socialists don’t put bullets in people’s brains. We try to educate them, and failing that, we try to counter their influence as best we can, with rational argument.
You don’t understand true socialists…
esselte said:
I’m sorry, but all and any protests regarding climate change are pointless bullshit; actions of a bored and privileged global elite who don’t have to worry about where their next meal comes from or how many of their children will die before reaching five years of age.
The dangers posed by Anthropogenic Global Warming are too abstract and too remote to elicit any meaningful or timely unified reaction from the global community.
Modern western nations have ridden to abundance on the wagon of environmental degradation and there is no reason to expect that second and third world nations will sacrifice their own near-term potential prosperity to mitigate an abstruse climate catastrophe. We can ask them to, we can shove all the science we like down their throats in a continued-though-modified version of historical Imperialism, but they won’t listen. They can’t afford to listen; and frankly, why should they?
The average man and woman on the ground doesn’t care about AGW. They have more immediate concerns. And this will always translate to political will. Most of the people living in the world today don’t have the benefit of our (yours and mine) standard of living which allows them to priorities stuff like AGW. This has been borne out by recent history… we’ve understood this problem for decades now and still no meaningful mitigation has taken place.
It’s time to stop talking about fighting climate change and start talking about how we are going to adapt to the inevitable.
Sorry but you seem to have fallen for the fourth stanza of the climate change war-cry. It goes:
Climate change isn’t real; rah rah ra
If it’s real it’s natural; rah rah ra
If it’s not natural it’s beneficial; rah rah ra
If it not it’s too late anyway rah rah ra…
Older folk like esselte can pontificate all they like…..youngsters are looking to their future, and are acting.
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:I’m sorry, but all and any protests regarding climate change are pointless bullshit; actions of a bored and privileged global elite who don’t have to worry about where their next meal comes from or how many of their children will die before reaching five years of age.
The dangers posed by Anthropogenic Global Warming are too abstract and too remote to elicit any meaningful or timely unified reaction from the global community.
Modern western nations have ridden to abundance on the wagon of environmental degradation and there is no reason to expect that second and third world nations will sacrifice their own near-term potential prosperity to mitigate an abstruse climate catastrophe. We can ask them to, we can shove all the science we like down their throats in a continued-though-modified version of historical Imperialism, but they won’t listen. They can’t afford to listen; and frankly, why should they?
The average man and woman on the ground doesn’t care about AGW. They have more immediate concerns. And this will always translate to political will. Most of the people living in the world today don’t have the benefit of our (yours and mine) standard of living which allows them to priorities stuff like AGW. This has been borne out by recent history… we’ve understood this problem for decades now and still no meaningful mitigation has taken place.
It’s time to stop talking about fighting climate change and start talking about how we are going to adapt to the inevitable.
Sorry but you seem to have fallen for the fourth stanza of the climate change war-cry. It goes:
Climate change isn’t real; rah rah ra
If it’s real it’s natural; rah rah ra
If it’s not natural it’s beneficial; rah rah ra
If it not it’s too late anyway rah rah ra…
It’s real.
It’s anthropogenic.
It’s not beneficial.
It is too late.
I meet your “rah, rah, rah” with an “I’m not listening, I’m not listening…”
You are not representative of the mass of humanity.
ruby said:
Older folk like esselte can pontificate all they like…..youngsters are looking to their future, and are acting.
Ruby, globally most of these “younger folk” live in countries like Nigeria, not countries like Australia.
You are blinded by your own privilege. You are cluelessly elitist.
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:I’m sorry, but all and any protests regarding climate change are pointless bullshit; actions of a bored and privileged global elite who don’t have to worry about where their next meal comes from or how many of their children will die before reaching five years of age.
The dangers posed by Anthropogenic Global Warming are too abstract and too remote to elicit any meaningful or timely unified reaction from the global community.
Modern western nations have ridden to abundance on the wagon of environmental degradation and there is no reason to expect that second and third world nations will sacrifice their own near-term potential prosperity to mitigate an abstruse climate catastrophe. We can ask them to, we can shove all the science we like down their throats in a continued-though-modified version of historical Imperialism, but they won’t listen. They can’t afford to listen; and frankly, why should they?
The average man and woman on the ground doesn’t care about AGW. They have more immediate concerns. And this will always translate to political will. Most of the people living in the world today don’t have the benefit of our (yours and mine) standard of living which allows them to priorities stuff like AGW. This has been borne out by recent history… we’ve understood this problem for decades now and still no meaningful mitigation has taken place.
It’s time to stop talking about fighting climate change and start talking about how we are going to adapt to the inevitable.
Sorry but you seem to have fallen for the fourth stanza of the climate change war-cry. It goes:
Climate change isn’t real; rah rah ra
If it’s real it’s natural; rah rah ra
If it’s not natural it’s beneficial; rah rah ra
If it not it’s too late anyway rah rah ra…
It’s real.
It’s anthropogenic.
It’s not beneficial.
It is too late.I meet your “rah, rah, rah” with an “I’m not listening, I’m not listening…”
You are not representative of the mass of humanity.
Science graduates are over-represented in the CCP leadership so, as seems to be the case I expect them to at least take it seriously.
“Follow the leaders,” Berlin, Germany, April 2011. Credit: Isaac Cordal
esselte said:
ruby said:
Older folk like esselte can pontificate all they like…..youngsters are looking to their future, and are acting.
Ruby, globally most of these “younger folk” live in countries like Nigeria, not countries like Australia.
You are blinded by your own privilege. You are cluelessly elitist.
Younger folk are everywhere, and poverty is everywhere. One in 6 kids live in poverty here, in this rich country, and rely on food banks.
Poverty is due to politics.
And I am well aware of my privilege, and try to live a life of comparitive austerity. I would very much like to see a more just world, and a smarter world. And I do believe we are seeing the beginnings of something different.
First picture was one year ago.
ruby said:
esselte said:
ruby said:
Older folk like esselte can pontificate all they like…..youngsters are looking to their future, and are acting.
Ruby, globally most of these “younger folk” live in countries like Nigeria, not countries like Australia.
You are blinded by your own privilege. You are cluelessly elitist.
Younger folk are everywhere, and poverty is everywhere. One in 6 kids live in poverty here, in this rich country, and rely on food banks.
Poverty is due to politics.
And I am well aware of my privilege, and try to live a life of comparitive austerity. I would very much like to see a more just world, and a smarter world. And I do believe we are seeing the beginnings of something different.
“Food banks” don’t help the 3.1 million children that die of malnutrition every year. Think globally, not locally.
I agree that most poverty is mostly due to politics.
As for your life of “comparitive austerity”, you can swap out all the light globes you like, buy local “organic” food as much as you like, turn off your computer between making posts to the Holiday Forum as much as you like, catch public transport rather than driving your own car as much as you like…. none of it makes any difference, you are not saving the planet. You are not the problem. The problem is far more complex and difficult to solve than anything you or protesting millennials can address.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/what-if-we-stopped-pretending
This is, to say the least, a tall order. It also assumes that you trust the I.P.C.C.’s calculations. New research, described last month in Scientific American, demonstrates that climate scientists, far from exaggerating the threat of climate change, have underestimated its pace and severity. To project the rise in the global mean temperature, scientists rely on complicated atmospheric modelling. They take a host of variables and run them through supercomputers to generate, say, ten thousand different simulations for the coming century, in order to make a “best” prediction of the rise in temperature. When a scientist predicts a rise of two degrees Celsius, she’s merely naming a number about which she’s very confident: the rise will be at leasttwo degrees. The rise might, in fact, be far higher.
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Yes
ruby said:
esselte said:
ruby said:
Older folk like esselte can pontificate all they like…..youngsters are looking to their future, and are acting.
Ruby, globally most of these “younger folk” live in countries like Nigeria, not countries like Australia.
You are blinded by your own privilege. You are cluelessly elitist.
Younger folk are everywhere, and poverty is everywhere. One in 6 kids live in poverty here, in this rich country, and rely on food banks.
Poverty is due to politics.
And I am well aware of my privilege, and try to live a life of comparitive austerity. I would very much like to see a more just world, and a smarter world. And I do believe we are seeing the beginnings of something different.
It is interesting that on the radio today they were congratulating themselves that infant death in Africa due to international aid, has been reduced considerably, which with current attitudes is very good. However, to look at it from the view of Nature, it just more mouths to feed that will exacerbate humanities problems even more. This situation is the position we find ourselves, nature does not recognise or care about our morality or ethics.
Whether we like it or not the Law of Nature will prevail and it simply does not care whether humans live or die or how badly we do so. We need to view the current situation in a realistic manner. which will not be pleasant. Just consider yourself lucky that you live in this wealthy country and not in a place like Africa.
Michael V said:
Ian said:
Molly will be heartened by the words of Craig Kelly:I understand how persuasive that peer group pressure can be for teenagers and their desire to conform and fit in with the crowd.
However, I would say to any student considering joining the so-called climate protest, don’t be a sheep and think for yourself because you are being used and manipulated and everything you are told is a lie.
The facts are, there is no link between climate change and drought. Polar bears are increasing in number. Today’s generation is safer from extreme weather at any time in human history.
There is no 97% consensus. Such claims are a fraud. Crop yields have increased remarkably, wildfires have declined 25% over the past two decades, we are seeing less cyclones, not more.
Cold weather kills many times more than hot weather, including here in Australia. The sea ice is not melting away.
In fact, where the ill-fated Franklin expedition sailed in 1845, this year is blocked by thick sea ice.
Renewables ain’t renewable and they certainly don’t make electricity cheaper. And if you are worried about sea level rise, I suggest that you get some old photos of Fort Denison, get the tide gauge data and go and have a look for yourself.
Don’t take my word. I encourage all students in my electorate to study the science and learn for themselves.
.
(He used to play first grade rugby union.)
Ostrich!
Mean Sea Levels at Fort Denison.
https://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/65.php
rumpole said:
Michael V said:
Ian said:
Molly will be heartened by the words of Craig Kelly:I understand how persuasive that peer group pressure can be for teenagers and their desire to conform and fit in with the crowd.
However, I would say to any student considering joining the so-called climate protest, don’t be a sheep and think for yourself because you are being used and manipulated and everything you are told is a lie.
The facts are, there is no link between climate change and drought. Polar bears are increasing in number. Today’s generation is safer from extreme weather at any time in human history.
There is no 97% consensus. Such claims are a fraud. Crop yields have increased remarkably, wildfires have declined 25% over the past two decades, we are seeing less cyclones, not more.
Cold weather kills many times more than hot weather, including here in Australia. The sea ice is not melting away.
In fact, where the ill-fated Franklin expedition sailed in 1845, this year is blocked by thick sea ice.
Renewables ain’t renewable and they certainly don’t make electricity cheaper. And if you are worried about sea level rise, I suggest that you get some old photos of Fort Denison, get the tide gauge data and go and have a look for yourself.
Don’t take my word. I encourage all students in my electorate to study the science and learn for themselves.
.
(He used to play first grade rugby union.)
Ostrich!
Mean Sea Levels at Fort Denison.
https://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/65.php
Data for Botany Bay
http://www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO70000/IDO70000_60390_SLI.shtml
PermeateFree said:
It is interesting that on the radio today they were congratulating themselves that infant death in Africa due to international aid, has been reduced considerably, which with current attitudes is very good.
This is why I specifically mentioned Nigeria to Ruby. Nigeria is the poster-boy for this issue. Declining – but still massive birth rates coupled with hugely improved child mortality rates will see Nigeria and other similar African countries populations exploding over the next 30 years. These people will need jobs, they will need industry…. Countries like Nigeria literally can not afford to worry about things like global warming; they have more pressing concerns.
esselte said:
you can swap out all the light globes you like, buy local “organic” food as much as you like, turn off your computer between making posts to the Holiday Forum as much as you like, catch public transport rather than driving your own car as much as you like…. none of it makes any difference, you are not saving the planet. You are not the problem. The problem is far more complex and difficult to solve than anything you or protesting millennials can address.
Oh, the old ‘it’s all too hard, let’s just give up’ argument. Sorry, you might be too old and staid and unwilling to give up your privilege, so leave it to those who do care about a shared future…
esselte said:
ruby said:
esselte said:Ruby, globally most of these “younger folk” live in countries like Nigeria, not countries like Australia.
You are blinded by your own privilege. You are cluelessly elitist.
Younger folk are everywhere, and poverty is everywhere. One in 6 kids live in poverty here, in this rich country, and rely on food banks.
Poverty is due to politics.
And I am well aware of my privilege, and try to live a life of comparitive austerity. I would very much like to see a more just world, and a smarter world. And I do believe we are seeing the beginnings of something different.
“Food banks” don’t help the 3.1 million children that die of malnutrition every year. Think globally, not locally.
I agree that most poverty is mostly due to politics.
As for your life of “comparitive austerity”, you can swap out all the light globes you like, buy local “organic” food as much as you like, turn off your computer between making posts to the Holiday Forum as much as you like, catch public transport rather than driving your own car as much as you like…. none of it makes any difference, you are not saving the planet. You are not the problem. The problem is far more complex and difficult to solve than anything you or protesting millennials can address.
Yes a holistic diagram on climate change would be a complex one. Ive never seen one that combines everything: Politics, industry, environment.
I think that is what’s needed, a complete holistic diagram so that people can see the extent of related climate change problems
https://www.google.com/search?&q=diagram+on+climate+change&tbm=isch
for example most just focus on one aspect of it
This combined one on health leaves industry and politics out
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
It is interesting that on the radio today they were congratulating themselves that infant death in Africa due to international aid, has been reduced considerably, which with current attitudes is very good.
This is why I specifically mentioned Nigeria to Ruby. Nigeria is the poster-boy for this issue. Declining – but still massive birth rates coupled with hugely improved child mortality rates will see Nigeria and other similar African countries populations exploding over the next 30 years. These people will need jobs, they will need industry…. Countries like Nigeria literally can not afford to worry about things like global warming; they have more pressing concerns.
No country is an island. If western consumers choose to only buy environmentally responsible products they will simply choose to not buy Nigerians exports. There are plenty of other countries willing to toe the line.
ruby said:
esselte said:you can swap out all the light globes you like, buy local “organic” food as much as you like, turn off your computer between making posts to the Holiday Forum as much as you like, catch public transport rather than driving your own car as much as you like…. none of it makes any difference, you are not saving the planet. You are not the problem. The problem is far more complex and difficult to solve than anything you or protesting millennials can address.
Oh, the old ‘it’s all too hard, let’s just give up’ argument. Sorry, you might be too old and staid and unwilling to give up your privilege, so leave it to those who do care about a shared future…
I’m 44 years old, Ruby. How old are you? What the fuck does my age have to do with anything? It’s your privilege that is blinding you… I very well might have biases based on the fact I live in a prosperous country but what does that have to do with the arguments I am making? I do care about the future of humanity… as I understand the situation protests by Western Democractic citizens are pointless distractions from the important questions that need to be asked and answered concerning the future prosperity and well-being of all human beings. Stop trying to demonize me and engage with the arguments.
esselte said:
ruby said:
esselte said:you can swap out all the light globes you like, buy local “organic” food as much as you like, turn off your computer between making posts to the Holiday Forum as much as you like, catch public transport rather than driving your own car as much as you like…. none of it makes any difference, you are not saving the planet. You are not the problem. The problem is far more complex and difficult to solve than anything you or protesting millennials can address.
Oh, the old ‘it’s all too hard, let’s just give up’ argument. Sorry, you might be too old and staid and unwilling to give up your privilege, so leave it to those who do care about a shared future…
I’m 44 years old, Ruby. How old are you? What the fuck does my age have to do with anything? It’s your privilege that is blinding you… I very well might have biases based on the fact I live in a prosperous country but what does that have to do with the arguments I am making? I do care about the future of humanity… as I understand the situation protests by Western Democractic citizens are pointless distractions from the important questions that need to be asked and answered concerning the future prosperity and well-being of all human beings. Stop trying to demonize me and engage with the arguments.
Totally agree that I come from a position of privilege and bias. As do you. But surely that should not preclude protesting about climate change and the need to do something? People are protesting because they are concerned about future well being for all, and they are protesting because they see our political leaders going in quite the wrong direction to ensure our shared future well being.
And don’t forget, this was a world wide strike. I’ll see if I can find the one from Afghanistan.
ruby said:
Totally agree that I come from a position of privilege and bias. As do you. But surely that should not preclude protesting about climate change and the need to do something? People are protesting because they are concerned about future well being for all, and they are protesting because they see our political leaders going in quite the wrong direction to ensure our shared future well being.
And don’t forget, this was a world wide strike. I’ll see if I can find the one from Afghanistan.
We both want the best outcomes. We’ve spent the last few posts trading pointless banter with each other rather than addressing the problem. You started it, so if you would like to move past that it is up to you to make that clear.
My position is that the geopolitical climate that exists renders protests such as those highlighted in this thread are distractions from discussion and action which will lead to the best outcomes for all of humanity and that these distractions are contrary and detrimental to achieving the best outcome. You have replied that you disagree and that I am old. This is where we stand right now.
esselte said:
ruby said:Totally agree that I come from a position of privilege and bias. As do you. But surely that should not preclude protesting about climate change and the need to do something? People are protesting because they are concerned about future well being for all, and they are protesting because they see our political leaders going in quite the wrong direction to ensure our shared future well being.
And don’t forget, this was a world wide strike. I’ll see if I can find the one from Afghanistan.
We both want the best outcomes. We’ve spent the last few posts trading pointless banter with each other rather than addressing the problem. You started it, so if you would like to move past that it is up to you to make that clear.
My position is that the geopolitical climate that exists renders protests such as those highlighted in this thread are distractions from discussion and action which will lead to the best outcomes for all of humanity and that these distractions are contrary and detrimental to achieving the best outcome. You have replied that you disagree and that I am old. This is where we stand right now.
You said at the outset ‘I’m sorry, but all and any protests regarding climate change are pointless bullshit’…..I disagreed.
If we could eliminate greed and political maneuvering that would be a start, but I can’t really see that working. So where to from here?
esselte said:
This is why I specifically mentioned Nigeria to Ruby. Nigeria is the poster-boy for this issue. Declining – but still massive birth rates coupled with hugely improved child mortality rates will see Nigeria and other similar African countries populations exploding over the next 30 years. These people will need jobs, they will need industry…. Countries like Nigeria literally can not afford to worry about things like global warming; they have more pressing concerns.
Yet, at the same time, Nigeria has a higher proportion of energy from renewable sources than Australia.
Ian said:
esselte said:This is why I specifically mentioned Nigeria to Ruby. Nigeria is the poster-boy for this issue. Declining – but still massive birth rates coupled with hugely improved child mortality rates will see Nigeria and other similar African countries populations exploding over the next 30 years. These people will need jobs, they will need industry…. Countries like Nigeria literally can not afford to worry about things like global warming; they have more pressing concerns.
Yet, at the same time, Nigeria has a higher proportion of energy from renewable sources than Australia.
I did not know this. Refs, please.
Ian said:
esselte said:This is why I specifically mentioned Nigeria to Ruby. Nigeria is the poster-boy for this issue. Declining – but still massive birth rates coupled with hugely improved child mortality rates will see Nigeria and other similar African countries populations exploding over the next 30 years. These people will need jobs, they will need industry…. Countries like Nigeria literally can not afford to worry about things like global warming; they have more pressing concerns.
Yet, at the same time, Nigeria has a higher proportion of energy from renewable sources than Australia.
Must be good to beat Australia.
Have a read of this.
http://re100.eng.anu.edu.au/publications/assets/100renewables.pdf
ruby said:
esselte said:
ruby said:Oh, the old ‘it’s all too hard, let’s just give up’ argument. Sorry, you might be too old and staid and unwilling to give up your privilege, so leave it to those who do care about a shared future…
I’m 44 years old, Ruby. How old are you? What the fuck does my age have to do with anything? It’s your privilege that is blinding you… I very well might have biases based on the fact I live in a prosperous country but what does that have to do with the arguments I am making? I do care about the future of humanity… as I understand the situation protests by Western Democractic citizens are pointless distractions from the important questions that need to be asked and answered concerning the future prosperity and well-being of all human beings. Stop trying to demonize me and engage with the arguments.
Totally agree that I come from a position of privilege and bias. As do you. But surely that should not preclude protesting about climate change and the need to do something? People are protesting because they are concerned about future well being for all, and they are protesting because they see our political leaders going in quite the wrong direction to ensure our shared future well being.
And don’t forget, this was a world wide strike. I’ll see if I can find the one from Afghanistan.
I think this strike is inspiring, but on its own will change few views and many, many more actions by the young will be required. Sure Global Warming is upon us now and is slipping into a tipping point beyond our control. Remember when you think of all those broken temperature records and extreme weather we have had in recent years, and this is due to ONLY 1C temperature rise. The IPCC were saying we must keep the temperature to under 1.5C, but now it has been reassessed to under 2C, but even this is thought impossible and likely to rise well above that.
The question now is how high will the average global temperature reach before it stabilises? But with ice and the permafrost melting with a mind of their own releasing even more CO2, we must stop feeding the problem with our own emissions and the sooner we do this the better for a survival outcome chance, otherwise an annual temperature of around 7C is not unreasonable. So kids, go kick some heads HARD.
Related links
Politics of global warming
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_global_warming
Political economy of climate change
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_economy_of_climate_change
The politics and science of climate change
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BriefingBook43p/polsciclimatechange
The science of climate change questions and answers
https://www.science.org.au/files/userfiles/learning/documents/climate-change-r.pdf
Summary of above article
https://www.science.org.au/learning/general-audience/science-booklets/science-climate-change/summary
Individual and political action on climate change
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_and_political_action_on_climate_change
UN Climate Change
https://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/climate-change/
https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/climate-change/
Wiki articles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change
PermeateFree said:
I think this strike is inspiring, but on its own will change few views and many, many more actions by the young will be required.
ruby said:
You said at the outset ‘I’m sorry, but all and any protests regarding climate change are pointless bullshit’…..I disagreed.
If we could eliminate greed and political maneuvering that would be a start, but I can’t really see that working. So where to from here?
That’s what makes our banter so stupid and pointless.
I totally agree with the statement “If we could eliminate greed and political maneuvering that would be a start, but I can’t really see that working.”.
You can’t see it working so you get all morally righteous and start accusing me of being “old”, presumably “out of touch” and just not with how things are these days.
I can’t see it working and I look for solutions which will circumvent the failures of the system.
I’m interested in solutions. You are interested in moral prevarications about how fucked up the system is. And you use those prevarications to accuse me of being morally corrupt.
I take back what I said earlier…. It’s people like you who are the problem.
I’m trying to be direct here… there’s a lack of empathy for your position intrinsic to my posts. But I do empathize. I don’t want to argue with you for the sake of arguing. I want you to justify your positions in the face of my criticisms of those positions. This is why I keep saying you are addressing these issues from a privileged position… not because you are richer than the average Nigerian, not because I am richer than the average Nigerian… rather because you are thinking about the consequences of AGW from a position wherein mitigating those consequences won’t actually cost you anything. Mr Nigeria is not in the same situation as you or I. Mitigating climate change has far more drastic consequences on their quality of life than it will on your quality of life or my quality of life.
Do you understand?
ruby said:
PermeateFree said:I think this strike is inspiring, but on its own will change few views and many, many more actions by the young will be required.
I’m not content to leave all the actions to the young. Even old bats like me can step up a bit. Even if it does mean no flying cars.
Well make sure year wear your boots for kicking. Good luck!
esselte said:
ruby said:
You said at the outset ‘I’m sorry, but all and any protests regarding climate change are pointless bullshit’…..I disagreed.
If we could eliminate greed and political maneuvering that would be a start, but I can’t really see that working. So where to from here?
That’s what makes our banter so stupid and pointless.
I totally agree with the statement “If we could eliminate greed and political maneuvering that would be a start, but I can’t really see that working.”.
You can’t see it working so you get all morally righteous and start accusing me of being “old”, presumably “out of touch” and just not with how things are these days.
I can’t see it working and I look for solutions which will circumvent the failures of the system.
I’m interested in solutions. You are interested in moral prevarications about how fucked up the system is. And you use those prevarications to accuse me of being morally corrupt.
I take back what I said earlier…. It’s people like you who are the problem.
I’m trying to be direct here… there’s a lack of empathy for your position intrinsic to my posts. But I do empathize. I don’t want to argue with you for the sake of arguing. I want you to justify your positions in the face of my criticisms of those positions. This is why I keep saying you are addressing these issues from a privileged position… not because you are richer than the average Nigerian, not because I am richer than the average Nigerian… rather because you are thinking about the consequences of AGW from a position wherein mitigating those consequences won’t actually cost you anything. Mr Nigeria is not in the same situation as you or I. Mitigating climate change has far more drastic consequences on their quality of life than it will on your quality of life or my quality of life.
Do you understand?
When electricity is practically free because of renewables the Nigerians will have it better off than even we have it today.
If skeptics aren’t going to listen to climate scientists, why would they listen to school children when it’s just too easy to argue that they are brainwashed by left wing teachers and that they should be out of sight and out of mind learning instead of publicly pricking consciences ?
All Greta was saying as I understood was “listen to the scientists”, and it beats me why some of our elected representatives like Craig Kelly haven’t got the brains to do just that. It’s also disappointing that the electorate voted back in the ignorant rabble , going basically for a comfortable life (they think) as opposed to some real action.
It doesn’t give me a lot of hope for the future I’m afraid, but I’m just one of the “oldies” who won’t see it anyway.
esselte said:
Ian said:
esselte said:This is why I specifically mentioned Nigeria to Ruby. Nigeria is the poster-boy for this issue. Declining – but still massive birth rates coupled with hugely improved child mortality rates will see Nigeria and other similar African countries populations exploding over the next 30 years. These people will need jobs, they will need industry…. Countries like Nigeria literally can not afford to worry about things like global warming; they have more pressing concerns.
Yet, at the same time, Nigeria has a higher proportion of energy from renewable sources than Australia.
Really?I did not know this. Refs, please.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production_from_renewable_sources
rumpole said:
If skeptics aren’t going to listen to climate scientists, why would they listen to school children when it’s just too easy to argue that they are brainwashed by left wing teachers and that they should be out of sight and out of mind learning instead of publicly pricking consciences ?All Greta was saying as I understood was “listen to the scientists”, and it beats me why some of our elected representatives like Craig Kelly haven’t got the brains to do just that. It’s also disappointing that the electorate voted back in the ignorant rabble , going basically for a comfortable life (they think) as opposed to some real action.
It doesn’t give me a lot of hope for the future I’m afraid, but I’m just one of the “oldies” who won’t see it anyway.
It doesn’t give me a lot of hope either
Politicians’ reluctance on climate change is bizarre – action would not only be right but popular https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/23/politicians-reluctance-on-climate-change-is-bizarre-action-would-not-only-be-right-but-popularTau.Neutrino said:
rumpole said:
If skeptics aren’t going to listen to climate scientists, why would they listen to school children when it’s just too easy to argue that they are brainwashed by left wing teachers and that they should be out of sight and out of mind learning instead of publicly pricking consciences ?All Greta was saying as I understood was “listen to the scientists”, and it beats me why some of our elected representatives like Craig Kelly haven’t got the brains to do just that. It’s also disappointing that the electorate voted back in the ignorant rabble , going basically for a comfortable life (they think) as opposed to some real action.
It doesn’t give me a lot of hope for the future I’m afraid, but I’m just one of the “oldies” who won’t see it anyway.
It doesn’t give me a lot of hope either
Politicians’ reluctance on climate change is bizarre – action would not only be right but popular
Ill try againhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/23/politicians-reluctance-on-climate-change-is-bizarre-action-would-not-only-be-right-but-popular
Politicians’ reluctance on climate change is bizarre – action would not only be right but popular
Ian said:
esselte said:
Ian said:Yet, at the same time, Nigeria has a higher proportion of energy from renewable sources than Australia.
Really?I did not know this. Refs, please.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production_from_renewable_sources
I see China and India are well ahead of Australia and USA as well.
Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, study says
https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change
Tau.Neutrino said:
Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, study says
https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change
A bit simplistic.
Blaming the companies that provide the fuel, rather than their customers, is easy, but it doesn’t get us very far.
ruby said:
esselte said:you can swap out all the light globes you like, buy local “organic” food as much as you like, turn off your computer between making posts to the Holiday Forum as much as you like, catch public transport rather than driving your own car as much as you like…. none of it makes any difference, you are not saving the planet. You are not the problem. The problem is far more complex and difficult to solve than anything you or protesting millennials can address.
Oh, the old ‘it’s all too hard, let’s just give up’ argument. Sorry, you might be too old and staid and unwilling to give up your privilege, so leave it to those who do care about a shared future…
And one of the most difficult decisions is going to be whether it is a right or a privilege to create more humans. I’ve seen no discussion around population control.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, study says
https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-changeA bit simplistic.
Blaming the companies that provide the fuel, rather than their customers, is easy, but it doesn’t get us very far.
some examples of companies being environmentally criminal
Cheap clothing companies that sell clothing that rub easily so people have to buy more, socks that fall apart etc.
Cheap anything companies where products have a very short life span
buffy said:
ruby said:
esselte said:you can swap out all the light globes you like, buy local “organic” food as much as you like, turn off your computer between making posts to the Holiday Forum as much as you like, catch public transport rather than driving your own car as much as you like…. none of it makes any difference, you are not saving the planet. You are not the problem. The problem is far more complex and difficult to solve than anything you or protesting millennials can address.
Oh, the old ‘it’s all too hard, let’s just give up’ argument. Sorry, you might be too old and staid and unwilling to give up your privilege, so leave it to those who do care about a shared future…
And one of the most difficult decisions is going to be whether it is a right or a privilege to create more humans. I’ve seen no discussion around population control.
Good point.
Population control needs to be included in a holistic climate change diagram
Ill put together a list of things over the next week or so
buffy said:
ruby said:
esselte said:you can swap out all the light globes you like, buy local “organic” food as much as you like, turn off your computer between making posts to the Holiday Forum as much as you like, catch public transport rather than driving your own car as much as you like…. none of it makes any difference, you are not saving the planet. You are not the problem. The problem is far more complex and difficult to solve than anything you or protesting millennials can address.
Oh, the old ‘it’s all too hard, let’s just give up’ argument. Sorry, you might be too old and staid and unwilling to give up your privilege, so leave it to those who do care about a shared future…
And one of the most difficult decisions is going to be whether it is a right or a privilege to create more humans. I’ve seen no discussion around population control.
fertility levels on a worldwide basis are dropping. of course the world’s population will continue to rise until deaths outnumber births. maybe ~80 years or so.
buffy said:
ruby said:
esselte said:you can swap out all the light globes you like, buy local “organic” food as much as you like, turn off your computer between making posts to the Holiday Forum as much as you like, catch public transport rather than driving your own car as much as you like…. none of it makes any difference, you are not saving the planet. You are not the problem. The problem is far more complex and difficult to solve than anything you or protesting millennials can address.
Oh, the old ‘it’s all too hard, let’s just give up’ argument. Sorry, you might be too old and staid and unwilling to give up your privilege, so leave it to those who do care about a shared future…
And one of the most difficult decisions is going to be whether it is a right or a privilege to create more humans. I’ve seen no discussion around population control.
You haven’t been listening to Tony?
We need more Australians.
White ones anyway.
But I agree, population control is something we should be talking about.
Ian said:
esselte said:
Ian said:Yet, at the same time, Nigeria has a higher proportion of energy from renewable sources than Australia.
Really?I did not know this. Refs, please.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production_from_renewable_sources
Das ist gut. Well, it appears so….
Albania 100%
Brazil 74%
Costa Rica 97%
Ethiopia 94%
….
OK, I’m a little skeptical of what these numbers represent.
I mean, Albania 100% and Costa Rica 97.7% are leading the way on environmentally sustainable renewable energy generation?…. Ethiopia 94% Namibia 93%….? Kenya 91% What are these numbers actually reflective of? What are these numbers measuring that is reflective of anything good for the future of humanity and the health of the planet?
Questions arise, such as how much energy do Albania and Costa Rica consume per capita, how much energy does Ethiopia consume per capati…. Like, it’s cool that Ethiopia is at 93% but if that figure is derived from 5 rich dudes using 99% of the energy living on solar panels and 20 million poor dudes using 1% of the energy living on burnt cow dung….
I will look in to this more when I get a chance.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Ill put together a list of things over the next week or so
Well that’s that sorted then.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
ruby said:Oh, the old ‘it’s all too hard, let’s just give up’ argument. Sorry, you might be too old and staid and unwilling to give up your privilege, so leave it to those who do care about a shared future…
And one of the most difficult decisions is going to be whether it is a right or a privilege to create more humans. I’ve seen no discussion around population control.
You haven’t been listening to Tony?
We need more Australians.
White ones anyway.
But I agree, population control is something we should be talking about.
PermeateFree said:
We don’t need to worry about African elephants; they’ll all be gone soon.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Ill put together a list of things over the next week or so
Well that’s that sorted then.
Lists can be helpful to get an overview the problem.
esselte said:
Ian said:
esselte said:Really?
I did not know this. Refs, please.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production_from_renewable_sources
Das ist gut. Well, it appears so….
Albania 100%
Brazil 74%
Costa Rica 97%
Ethiopia 94%
….OK, I’m a little skeptical of what these numbers represent.
I mean, Albania 100% and Costa Rica 97.7% are leading the way on environmentally sustainable renewable energy generation?…. Ethiopia 94% Namibia 93%….? Kenya 91% What are these numbers actually reflective of? What are these numbers measuring that is reflective of anything good for the future of humanity and the health of the planet?
Questions arise, such as how much energy do Albania and Costa Rica consume per capita, how much energy does Ethiopia consume per capati…. Like, it’s cool that Ethiopia is at 93% but if that figure is derived from 5 rich dudes using 99% of the energy living on solar panels and 20 million poor dudes using 1% of the energy living on burnt cow dung….
I will look in to this more when I get a chance.
It means the people are so poor that they cannot afford electricity.
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:And one of the most difficult decisions is going to be whether it is a right or a privilege to create more humans. I’ve seen no discussion around population control.
You haven’t been listening to Tony?
We need more Australians.
White ones anyway.
But I agree, population control is something we should be talking about.
It’s very light grey.
Almost white.
A list of climate change effects
1 Increased temperatures bringing heatwaves and drought in local areas
2 Changing rain patterns that can see rain decreasing in some areas and increasing in other areas.
3 Increased lightning and thunderstorm activity
4 Increased bush fire activity
5 Increased cyclones and storms
6 Increased volcanism in some areas
7 Increased Polar Vortex activity.
8 Increased intense winters
9 Increased damage to fragile ecosystems
10 Effects of climate change on crop pollination
11 Warmer oceans global average increase of 0.1°C
12 Increased ocean acidity due to more dissolved CO2
13 Rising sea levels
14 Reduction of polar ice
15 Reduction of sea ice
16 Reduction of glaciers, causing trapped methane to be released.
17 Reduction of snow packs
18 Thawing permafrost
19 Extra carbon dioxide and other gases in the atmosphere
20 Warmer atmosphere Global average increase of 1.4 °C
21 Increased wave activity
22 Reduction of insects across the globe
23 Increased tidal levels in some areas
24 Plant and animal ranges are changing
25 Trees flowering sooner in some areas
26 Increased flooding and erosion is some areas
27 Declining water supplies in other areas
28 Declining biodiversity related to global warming
29 Extinctions related to global warming
30 Increase in human deaths related to global warming
31 Migration of people as rain patterns change local drought
32 Changes in crop locations with changing precipitation patterns
33 Increases in diseases related to floods and sewage
34 Changes in house prices due to various reasons flooding, rising sea levels.
35 Increase in malnutrition and food shortages
36 Increases in air conditioning cooling and heating use as temperatures soar or plummet
37 Extreme Weather Is Preventing Plants From Processing Carbon
38 Global warming is linked to agriculture
39 global warming is linked to deforestation
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:And one of the most difficult decisions is going to be whether it is a right or a privilege to create more humans. I’ve seen no discussion around population control.
You haven’t been listening to Tony?
We need more Australians.
White ones anyway.
But I agree, population control is something we should be talking about.
That’s the one.
forget one
A list of climate change effects
1 Increased temperatures bringing heatwaves and drought in local areas
2 Changing rain patterns that can see rain decreasing in some areas and increasing in other areas.
3 Increased lightning and thunderstorm activity
4 Increased bush fire activity
5 Increased cyclones and storms
6 Increased volcanism in some areas
7 Increased Polar Vortex activity.
8 Increased intense winters
9 Increased damage to fragile ecosystems
10 Effects of climate change on crop pollination
11 Warmer oceans global average increase of 0.1°C
12 Increased ocean acidity due to more dissolved CO2
13 Rising sea levels
14 Reduction of polar ice
15 Reduction of sea ice
16 Reduction of glaciers, causing trapped methane to be released.
17 Reduction of snow packs
18 Thawing permafrost
19 Extra carbon dioxide and other gases in the atmosphere
20 Warmer atmosphere Global average increase of 1.4 °C
21 Increased wave activity
22 Reduction of insects across the globe
23 Increased tidal levels in some areas
24 Plant and animal ranges are changing
25 Trees flowering sooner in some areas
26 Increased flooding and erosion is some areas
27 Declining water supplies in other areas
28 Declining biodiversity related to global warming
29 Extinctions related to global warming
30 Increase in human deaths related to global warming
31 Migration of people as rain patterns change local drought
32 Changes in crop locations with changing precipitation patterns
33 Increases in diseases related to floods and sewage
34 Changes in house prices due to various reasons flooding, rising sea levels.
35 Increase in malnutrition and food shortages
36 Increases in air conditioning cooling and heating use as temperatures soar or plummet
37 Extreme Weather Is Preventing Plants From Processing Carbon
38 Global warming is linked to agriculture
39 global warming is linked to deforestation
40
A list of climate change effects
1 Increased temperatures bringing heatwaves and drought in local areas
2 Changing rain patterns that can see rain decreasing in some areas and increasing in other areas.
3 Increased lightning and thunderstorm activity
4 Increased bush fire activity
5 Increased cyclones and storms
6 Increased volcanism in some areas
7 Increased Polar Vortex activity.
8 Increased intense winters
9 Increased damage to fragile ecosystems
10 Effects of climate change on crop pollination
11 Warmer oceans global average increase of 0.1°C
12 Increased ocean acidity due to more dissolved CO2
13 Rising sea levels
14 Reduction of polar ice
15 Reduction of sea ice
16 Reduction of glaciers, causing trapped methane to be released.
17 Reduction of snow packs
18 Thawing permafrost
19 Extra carbon dioxide and other gases in the atmosphere
20 Warmer atmosphere Global average increase of 1.4 °C
21 Increased wave activity
22 Reduction of insects across the globe
23 Increased tidal levels in some areas
24 Plant and animal ranges are changing
25 Trees flowering sooner in some areas
26 Increased flooding and erosion is some areas
27 Declining water supplies in other areas
28 Declining biodiversity related to global warming
29 Extinctions related to global warming
30 Increase in human deaths related to global warming
31 Migration of people as rain patterns change local drought
32 Changes in crop locations with changing precipitation patterns
33 Increases in diseases related to floods and sewage
34 Changes in house prices due to various reasons flooding, rising sea levels.
35 Increase in malnutrition and food shortages
36 Increases in air conditioning cooling and heating use as temperatures soar or plummet
37 Extreme Weather Is Preventing Plants From Processing Carbon
38 Global warming is linked to agriculture
39 global warming is linked to deforestation
40
A list of climate change effects
1 Increased temperatures bringing heatwaves and drought in local areas
2 Changing rain patterns that can see rain decreasing in some areas and increasing in other areas.
3 Increased lightning and thunderstorm activity
4 Increased bush fire activity
5 Increased cyclones and storms
6 Increased volcanism in some areas
7 Increased Polar Vortex activity.
8 Increased intense winters
9 Increased damage to fragile ecosystems
10 Effects of climate change on crop pollination
11 Warmer oceans global average increase of 0.1°C
12 Increased ocean acidity due to more dissolved CO2
13 Rising sea levels
14 Reduction of polar ice
15 Reduction of sea ice
16 Reduction of glaciers, causing trapped methane to be released.
17 Reduction of snow packs
18 Thawing permafrost
19 Extra carbon dioxide and other gases in the atmosphere
20 Warmer atmosphere Global average increase of 1.4 °C
21 Increased wave activity
22 Reduction of insects across the globe
23 Increased tidal levels in some areas
24 Plant and animal ranges are changing
25 Trees flowering sooner in some areas
26 Increased flooding and erosion is some areas
27 Declining water supplies in other areas
28 Declining biodiversity related to global warming
29 Extinctions related to global warming
30 Increase in human deaths related to global warming
31 Migration of people as rain patterns change local drought
32 Changes in crop locations with changing precipitation patterns
33 Increases in diseases related to floods and sewage
34 Changes in house prices due to various reasons flooding, rising sea levels.
35 Increase in malnutrition and food shortages
36 Increases in air conditioning cooling and heating use as temperatures soar or plummet
37 Extreme Weather Is Preventing Plants From Processing Carbon
38 Global warming is linked to agriculture
39 global warming is linked to deforestation
40 Political reluctance to do anything on climate change
Sorry about that
A list of climate change effects
1 Increased temperatures bringing heatwaves and drought in local areas
2 Changing rain patterns that can see rain decreasing in some areas and increasing in other areas.
3 Increased lightning and thunderstorm activity
4 Increased bush fire activity
5 Increased cyclones and storms
6 Increased volcanism in some areas
7 Increased Polar Vortex activity.
8 Increased intense winters
9 Increased damage to fragile ecosystems
10 Effects of climate change on crop pollination
11 Warmer oceans global average increase of 0.1°C
12 Increased ocean acidity due to more dissolved CO2
13 Rising sea levels
14 Reduction of polar ice
15 Reduction of sea ice
16 Reduction of glaciers, causing trapped methane to be released.
17 Reduction of snow packs
18 Thawing permafrost
19 Extra carbon dioxide and other gases in the atmosphere
20 Warmer atmosphere Global average increase of 1.4 °C
21 Increased wave activity
22 Reduction of insects across the globe
23 Increased tidal levels in some areas
24 Plant and animal ranges are changing
25 Trees flowering sooner in some areas
26 Increased flooding and erosion is some areas
27 Declining water supplies in other areas
28 Declining biodiversity related to global warming
29 Extinctions related to global warming
30 Increase in human deaths related to global warming
31 Migration of people as rain patterns change local drought
32 Changes in crop locations with changing precipitation patterns
33 Increases in diseases related to floods and sewage
34 Changes in house prices due to various reasons flooding, rising sea levels.
35 Increase in malnutrition and food shortages
36 Increases in air conditioning cooling and heating use as temperatures soar or plummet
37 Extreme Weather Is Preventing Plants From Processing Carbon
38 Global warming is linked to agriculture
39 global warming is linked to deforestation
40 Political reluctance to do anything on climate change
Tau.Neutrino said:
Sorry about that
No worries.
buffy said:
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:You haven’t been listening to Tony?
We need more Australians.
White ones anyway.
But I agree, population control is something we should be talking about.
That’s the one.
I wonder how the average pampered pet compares to the environmental impact of the average African?
Climate change is a complex problem. It involves a lot of related information. Information can be structured in such a way to give people knowledge and an overview of a system.
sarahs mum said:
Yeah, look at all those over sized protester signs.
Way to big, they need to much smaller to fit in with the times.
Some of the climate fundamentalist have become so wound up in the rapture that they have lost sight of probity.
“A senior lecturer at Melbourne’s RMIT University offered his students full marks on an assessment if they attended Friday’s climate strike.
In an email to students, seen by 10 daily, Dr Hormoz Marzbani said his students could skip his lecture to attend the strike, and receive full marks for that day in return — worth about 5 percent of a project mark.”
Carbon Majors Report pdf
The Carbon Majors DatabaseCDP Carbon Majors Report 2017100 fossil fuel producers and nearly 1 trillion tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions
https://b8f65cb373b1b7b15feb-c70d8ead6ced550b4d987d7c03fcdd1d.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com/cms/reports/documents/000/002/327/original/Carbon-Majors-Report-2017.pdf
Peak Warming Man said:
Some of the climate fundamentalist have become so wound up in the rapture that they have lost sight of probity.“A senior lecturer at Melbourne’s RMIT University offered his students full marks on an assessment if they attended Friday’s climate strike.
In an email to students, seen by 10 daily, Dr Hormoz Marzbani said his students could skip his lecture to attend the strike, and receive full marks for that day in return — worth about 5 percent of a project mark.”
https://10daily.com.au/news/australia/a190920jauoc/rmit-university-lecturer-offered-students-full-marks-for-attending-the-climate-strike-20190920
PermeateFree said:
It means the people are so poor that they cannot afford electricity.
Yeah, I suspect it’s something like that.
Won’t commit though until I’ve done the research.
Ian said:
esselte said:
Ian said:Yet, at the same time, Nigeria has a higher proportion of energy from renewable sources than Australia.
Really?I did not know this. Refs, please.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production_from_renewable_sources
Interesting reading.
China and India seem to be doing a bit.
And agree with the elephant in the room.
Peak Warming Man said:
Some of the climate fundamentalist have become so wound up in the rapture that they have lost sight of probity.“A senior lecturer at Melbourne’s RMIT University offered his students full marks on an assessment if they attended Friday’s climate strike.
In an email to students, seen by 10 daily, Dr Hormoz Marzbani said his students could skip his lecture to attend the strike, and receive full marks for that day in return — worth about 5 percent of a project mark.”
What was the subject?
Tau.Neutrino said:
A list of climate change effects
1 Increased temperatures bringing heatwaves and drought in local areas
2 Changing rain patterns that can see rain decreasing in some areas and increasing in other areas.
3 Increased lightning and thunderstorm activity
4 Increased bush fire activity
5 Increased cyclones and storms
6 Increased volcanism in some areas
7 Increased Polar Vortex activity.
8 Increased intense winters
9 Increased damage to fragile ecosystems
10 Effects of climate change on crop pollination
11 Warmer oceans global average increase of 0.1°C
12 Increased ocean acidity due to more dissolved CO2
13 Rising sea levels
14 Reduction of polar ice
15 Reduction of sea ice
16 Reduction of glaciers, causing trapped methane to be released.
17 Reduction of snow packs
18 Thawing permafrost
19 Extra carbon dioxide and other gases in the atmosphere
20 Warmer atmosphere Global average increase of 1.4 °C
21 Increased wave activity
22 Reduction of insects across the globe
23 Increased tidal levels in some areas
24 Plant and animal ranges are changing
25 Trees flowering sooner in some areas
26 Increased flooding and erosion is some areas
27 Declining water supplies in other areas
28 Declining biodiversity related to global warming
29 Extinctions related to global warming
30 Increase in human deaths related to global warming
31 Migration of people as rain patterns change local drought
32 Changes in crop locations with changing precipitation patterns
33 Increases in diseases related to floods and sewage
34 Changes in house prices due to various reasons flooding, rising sea levels.
35 Increase in malnutrition and food shortages
36 Increases in air conditioning cooling and heating use as temperatures soar or plummet
37 Extreme Weather Is Preventing Plants From Processing Carbon
38 Global warming is linked to agriculture
39 global warming is linked to deforestation
40A list of climate change effects
1 Increased temperatures bringing heatwaves and drought in local areas
2 Changing rain patterns that can see rain decreasing in some areas and increasing in other areas.
3 Increased lightning and thunderstorm activity
4 Increased bush fire activity
5 Increased cyclones and storms
6 Increased volcanism in some areas
7 Increased Polar Vortex activity.
8 Increased intense winters
9 Increased damage to fragile ecosystems
10 Effects of climate change on crop pollination
11 Warmer oceans global average increase of 0.1°C
12 Increased ocean acidity due to more dissolved CO2
13 Rising sea levels
14 Reduction of polar ice
15 Reduction of sea ice
16 Reduction of glaciers, causing trapped methane to be released.
17 Reduction of snow packs
18 Thawing permafrost
19 Extra carbon dioxide and other gases in the atmosphere
20 Warmer atmosphere Global average increase of 1.4 °C
21 Increased wave activity
22 Reduction of insects across the globe
23 Increased tidal levels in some areas
24 Plant and animal ranges are changing
25 Trees flowering sooner in some areas
26 Increased flooding and erosion is some areas
27 Declining water supplies in other areas
28 Declining biodiversity related to global warming
29 Extinctions related to global warming
30 Increase in human deaths related to global warming
31 Migration of people as rain patterns change local drought
32 Changes in crop locations with changing precipitation patterns
33 Increases in diseases related to floods and sewage
34 Changes in house prices due to various reasons flooding, rising sea levels.
35 Increase in malnutrition and food shortages
36 Increases in air conditioning cooling and heating use as temperatures soar or plummet
37 Extreme Weather Is Preventing Plants From Processing Carbon
38 Global warming is linked to agriculture
39 global warming is linked to deforestation
40A list of climate change effects
1 Increased temperatures bringing heatwaves and drought in local areas
2 Changing rain patterns that can see rain decreasing in some areas and increasing in other areas.
3 Increased lightning and thunderstorm activity
4 Increased bush fire activity
5 Increased cyclones and storms
6 Increased volcanism in some areas
7 Increased Polar Vortex activity.
8 Increased intense winters
9 Increased damage to fragile ecosystems
10 Effects of climate change on crop pollination
11 Warmer oceans global average increase of 0.1°C
12 Increased ocean acidity due to more dissolved CO2
13 Rising sea levels
14 Reduction of polar ice
15 Reduction of sea ice
16 Reduction of glaciers, causing trapped methane to be released.
17 Reduction of snow packs
18 Thawing permafrost
19 Extra carbon dioxide and other gases in the atmosphere
20 Warmer atmosphere Global average increase of 1.4 °C
21 Increased wave activity
22 Reduction of insects across the globe
23 Increased tidal levels in some areas
24 Plant and animal ranges are changing
25 Trees flowering sooner in some areas
26 Increased flooding and erosion is some areas
27 Declining water supplies in other areas
28 Declining biodiversity related to global warming
29 Extinctions related to global warming
30 Increase in human deaths related to global warming
31 Migration of people as rain patterns change local drought
32 Changes in crop locations with changing precipitation patterns
33 Increases in diseases related to floods and sewage
34 Changes in house prices due to various reasons flooding, rising sea levels.
35 Increase in malnutrition and food shortages
36 Increases in air conditioning cooling and heating use as temperatures soar or plummet
37 Extreme Weather Is Preventing Plants From Processing Carbon
38 Global warming is linked to agriculture
39 global warming is linked to deforestation
40 Political reluctance to do anything on climate change
It’s awful, heh? But what does this list mean in terms of practical solutions?
esselte said:
Tau.Neutrino said:A list of climate change effects
1 Increased temperatures bringing heatwaves and drought in local areas
2 Changing rain patterns that can see rain decreasing in some areas and increasing in other areas.
3 Increased lightning and thunderstorm activity
4 Increased bush fire activity
5 Increased cyclones and storms
6 Increased volcanism in some areas
7 Increased Polar Vortex activity.
8 Increased intense winters
9 Increased damage to fragile ecosystems
10 Effects of climate change on crop pollination
11 Warmer oceans global average increase of 0.1°C
12 Increased ocean acidity due to more dissolved CO2
13 Rising sea levels
14 Reduction of polar ice
15 Reduction of sea ice
16 Reduction of glaciers, causing trapped methane to be released.
17 Reduction of snow packs
18 Thawing permafrost
19 Extra carbon dioxide and other gases in the atmosphere
20 Warmer atmosphere Global average increase of 1.4 °C
21 Increased wave activity
22 Reduction of insects across the globe
23 Increased tidal levels in some areas
24 Plant and animal ranges are changing
25 Trees flowering sooner in some areas
26 Increased flooding and erosion is some areas
27 Declining water supplies in other areas
28 Declining biodiversity related to global warming
29 Extinctions related to global warming
30 Increase in human deaths related to global warming
31 Migration of people as rain patterns change local drought
32 Changes in crop locations with changing precipitation patterns
33 Increases in diseases related to floods and sewage
34 Changes in house prices due to various reasons flooding, rising sea levels.
35 Increase in malnutrition and food shortages
36 Increases in air conditioning cooling and heating use as temperatures soar or plummet
37 Extreme Weather Is Preventing Plants From Processing Carbon
38 Global warming is linked to agriculture
39 global warming is linked to deforestation
40 Political reluctance to do anything on climate changeIt’s awful, heh? But what does this list mean in terms of practical solutions?
That we better get on with it.
The Green New Deal. Regenerative agriculture. End subsidies to fossil fuel companies. End political lobbyists and donations to political parties. Encourage smaller population growth. Put 10% of the money that goes to war towards renewable energy research.
esselte said:
Tau.Neutrino said:A list of climate change effects
1 Increased temperatures bringing heatwaves and drought in local areas
2 Changing rain patterns that can see rain decreasing in some areas and increasing in other areas.
3 Increased lightning and thunderstorm activity
4 Increased bush fire activity
5 Increased cyclones and storms
6 Increased volcanism in some areas
7 Increased Polar Vortex activity.
8 Increased intense winters
9 Increased damage to fragile ecosystems
10 Effects of climate change on crop pollination
11 Warmer oceans global average increase of 0.1°C
12 Increased ocean acidity due to more dissolved CO2
13 Rising sea levels
14 Reduction of polar ice
15 Reduction of sea ice
16 Reduction of glaciers, causing trapped methane to be released.
17 Reduction of snow packs
18 Thawing permafrost
19 Extra carbon dioxide and other gases in the atmosphere
20 Warmer atmosphere Global average increase of 1.4 °C
21 Increased wave activity
22 Reduction of insects across the globe
23 Increased tidal levels in some areas
24 Plant and animal ranges are changing
25 Trees flowering sooner in some areas
26 Increased flooding and erosion is some areas
27 Declining water supplies in other areas
28 Declining biodiversity related to global warming
29 Extinctions related to global warming
30 Increase in human deaths related to global warming
31 Migration of people as rain patterns change local drought
32 Changes in crop locations with changing precipitation patterns
33 Increases in diseases related to floods and sewage
34 Changes in house prices due to various reasons flooding, rising sea levels.
35 Increase in malnutrition and food shortages
36 Increases in air conditioning cooling and heating use as temperatures soar or plummet
37 Extreme Weather Is Preventing Plants From Processing Carbon
38 Global warming is linked to agriculture
39 global warming is linked to deforestation
40 Political reluctance to do anything on climate changeIt’s awful, heh? But what does this list mean in terms of practical solutions?
Here are some ideas
To understand the problem it helps to break down its parts and see how things effect each other to find solutions
We will need multiple solutions, new laws, new attitudes, cultural changes, political changes, behavioural changes.
We need to:
Reduce world population, voluntary euthanasia, one child policy in each country, then as numbers become more sustainable two child policy
Planting more trees
Bring industrial waste to close to zero as possible
Planting more underwater / ocean plants
Making companies more aware and responsible for the environment
Creating environment company Laws concerning emissions, manufacturing energy levels recycling.
Reduce creek, river and seawater pollution
Cleaning up plastics in the environment
Breeding more fish, create more fish farms worldwide
Accepting that humanity has an effect on the environment
Accepting that humanity is reducing other lifeforms and contributing to their extinction
We need to stop species becoming extinct
We need to reduce our energy consumption by using smarter energy saving techniques
Building houses to a better energy saving standard
Building smaller homes
Taxing larger homes
Building smaller cars
Taxing larger cars and domestic vehicles
Bring manufacturing energy levels down
Focusing on more efficient engines and technologies for transport
Reducing domestic waste towards zero
Recycling 100 percent waste
Reducing emissions and pollution in the atmosphere
Eliminating non non-renewable as much as possible
Stop coal mining
Reduce other mining operations.
We need to electrify out cars more and make transport more efficient, reducing time at traffic lights using smarter technologies.
Create more environment jobs worldwide
Build more solar power stations worldwide
Fund the transfer of coal workers to the renewable energy sector
Reduce micro plastics in the food chain and in the environment…
Work out accurate sustainable population levels.
Creating more efficient heating and cooling systems
Fix starvation
Stop people from using heating and cooling systems completely using passive cooling and heating buildings
Ban non-rechargeable batteries.
Create better batteries.
Work towards 100% reuse and no recycling
Ill try again
My lists are not copy write protected
Anyone has my permission to use them, change them, use them in school projects, ideas for journalism etc
Copy and paste as you please.
Why they are protesting.
https://youtu.be/op1V6aXYQAM
Some updates -
New Zealand
On 27 September, an estimated 170,000 people including school students participated in 40 events in urban centres across New Zealand—roughly 3.5% of the country’s population. An open letter signed by 11,000 New Zealanders was delivered to parliament on 27 September, urging the government to declare a national climate emergency.
Italy
On 27 September, more than one million people protested throughout 180 cities, mostly students. In Rome, more than 200,000 youth joined the protest. While almost 150,000 students gathered at the street of Milan for the third time after similar climate protests in the months of March and May. The student climate strike first meet in Largo Cairoli, a short walk from Sforza Castle before departing through the city. More than 50,000 people joined the protest both in Turin and Naples, while 20,000 students took part in Bologna’s march.
Protests were praised by Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte, who tweeted: “The images of the squares of the Fridays for Future are extraordinary, with so many young people participating with such passion. From the government there is the utmost commitment to translate this request for change into concrete solutions. We all have a great responsibility.”
Canada
Strikes began on 20 September, with “die-in” demonstrations staged in Vancouver and many other cities across the country. A “die-in” is a protest in which people lie on the floor, closing their eyes or staring blankly at the ceiling, as if they were dead. Further climate action demonstrations are scheduled across 80 locations on 27 September, when Greta Thunberg arrives in Montreal, Quebec. The city’s largest school board, Commission scolaire de Montréal, cancelled classes for their 114,000 pupils to allow them to attend.
On September 27, at least 85 Canadian cities and towns participated in climate strike actions. Over 100,000 people turned up to a demonstration in Vancouver. Montreal Mayor Valérie Plante declared public transit in her city was free on the date of the protest and gave Greta Thunberg the keys to the city.While organisers claimed that half a million people joined the march in Montreal, city officials estimated that number to be around 315,000.
USA
The event is one of the largest climate mobilisations in US history. Over 1,000 strike events were planned in all 50 states, Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia. The New York City school system, with more than one million students, gave permission for youth to skip school for the day to participate in the strike; the Boston school district followed suit, with Chicago’s Department of Education announcing they would not mark students absent if they returned after the strike.
UK
Organisers said that roughly 300,000 people participated in strikes across the country, with 100,000 attendees of a London rally, where politician Jeremy Corbyn gave a speech in which he told the young people in attendance: “you and a whole generation have brought the issue centre stage and I am absolutely delighted about that”. Protests in Edinburgh and Brighton reached 20,000 and 10,000 participants, respectively.On 21 September, Extinction Rebellion activists blocked streets at Dover in a protest which led to the arrest of 10 people.
Poland
Thousands of school children joined adults in protests in Warsaw, while protests also took place in other cities. Poland produces 80 percent of its electricity from coal. For years the country has been careful about climate targets. Coal mining is responsible for tens of thousands of jobs in the south of the country. Poland presently plans to phase out coal power plants by 2050. Many middle schools gave students the day off to participate. President Andrzej Duda picked up trash with students in a forest.
Australia
The Global Climate Strike started in Australia. On 20 September, organisers estimated that over 300,000 people attended 100 rallies across the country. Over 2,500 businesses allowed employees to take part in the strikes, or closed entirely for the day. In Melbourne, one protest gathered an estimated 100,000 participants. Organisers claim that 80,000 people took part in a protest at The Domain in Sydney. A strike in Brisbane gathered a reported 20,000 protesters,whilst organisers reported figures of 22,000 in Hobart, 15,000 in Canberra, 10,000 in Perth, and 8,000 in Adelaide.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2019_climate_strikes
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See also
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_strike_for_the_climate
