Nazism, socialism and the falsification of history
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302

It does seem that the people calling the left Nazis are…at the very east toying with Neo-Nazism.

The number of people who will unblushingly say that up is down these days is of great concern.

sarahs mum said:

Nazism, socialism and the falsification of history
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302

It does seem that the people calling the left Nazis are…at the very east toying with Neo-Nazism.

read that quickly, need read it again properly later

A question I sometimes ponder, if I was a youth in Germany in 1939, would I have fallen under the thrall of Nazism, I’m not sure.
Would I have joined the Wehrmacht and fought for my country, most definatly.
The same questions for being a lad in Russia in 1917, would I have fallen under the thrall of communism, I’m not sure, would I have fought for mother Russia, most definatly.

Would I have signed up to fight in WW1? I don’t know.
In WW2? Most assuredly.

I would have been a draft dodger in Vietnam times. I would have run from the government and run from my father.

Peak Warming Man said:

A question I sometimes ponder, if I was a youth in Germany in 1939, would I have fallen under the thrall of Nazism, I’m not sure.
Would I have joined the Wehrmacht and fought for my country, most definatly.
The same questions for being a lad in Russia in 1917, would I have fallen under the thrall of communism, I’m not sure, would I have fought for mother Russia, most definatly.

So I guess the point is that these days we have to call out the far right at every opportunity to avoid the situation where fascism becomes hegemonic in some country.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

A question I sometimes ponder, if I was a youth in Germany in 1939, would I have fallen under the thrall of Nazism, I’m not sure.
Would I have joined the Wehrmacht and fought for my country, most definatly.
The same questions for being a lad in Russia in 1917, would I have fallen under the thrall of communism, I’m not sure, would I have fought for mother Russia, most definatly.

So I guess the point is that these days we have to call out the far right at every opportunity to avoid the situation where fascism becomes hegemonic in some country.

As long as you don’t get the right of politics confused with the far right and the left of politics confused with the far left.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

A question I sometimes ponder, if I was a youth in Germany in 1939, would I have fallen under the thrall of Nazism, I’m not sure.
Would I have joined the Wehrmacht and fought for my country, most definatly.
The same questions for being a lad in Russia in 1917, would I have fallen under the thrall of communism, I’m not sure, would I have fought for mother Russia, most definatly.

So I guess the point is that these days we have to call out the far right at every opportunity to avoid the situation where fascism becomes hegemonic in some country.

As long as you don’t get the right of politics confused with the far right and the left of politics confused with the far left.

Absolutely. Clarity is important and finding shared central values is important.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

So I guess the point is that these days we have to call out the far right at every opportunity to avoid the situation where fascism becomes hegemonic in some country.

As long as you don’t get the right of politics confused with the far right and the left of politics confused with the far left.

Absolutely. Clarity is important and finding shared central values is important.

Yes, the far right is more of a problem these days as the far left has virtually disappeared even in one party communist states like China.

I’m happy enough to praise the Morrison government when they do what I think are good things. I think that making Ken Wyatt Minister for Indigenous Affairs was a good move: I also acknowledge that they’ve kept the refugee program strong, some 19000 refugees to be taken in next year. Indeed Australia will be taking in more refugees than the USA next year.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

As long as you don’t get the right of politics confused with the far right and the left of politics confused with the far left.

Absolutely. Clarity is important and finding shared central values is important.

Yes, the far right is more of a problem these days as the far left has virtually disappeared even in one party communist states like China.

Some the Chinese leftists have “disappeared”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_New_Left
Someone needs to do a royal commission into how a communist country got so good at capitalism.

sarahs mum said:

Would I have signed up to fight in WW1? I don’t know.
In WW2? Most assuredly.

I would have been a draft dodger in Vietnam times. I would have run from the government and run from my father.

My father didn’t sign up to anything in WW2. He was a very young man whose consent wasn’t required by either the Soviets or the Nazis. From late 1939 he was conscripted into the Soviet forestry labour force, then after Barbarossa in 1941 he was conscripted as Nazi slave labour and sent to Bavaria to work on farms.

Might seem a relatively cushy fate but the work was extremely debilitating with inadequate food, and he never recovered from being wrenched from his family, with no hope of return after the war (Stalin treated the slave labourers as traitors).

He told me that at the end of the war he was sitting on the shore of a lake, knowing he couldn’t go home, and decided to just wade in and drown himself. But he didn’t have enough physical energy to do it.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Would I have signed up to fight in WW1? I don’t know.
In WW2? Most assuredly.

I would have been a draft dodger in Vietnam times. I would have run from the government and run from my father.

My father didn’t sign up to anything in WW2. He was a very young man whose consent wasn’t required by either the Soviets or the Nazis. From late 1939 he was conscripted into the Soviet forestry labour force, then after Barbarossa in 1941 he was conscripted as Nazi slave labour and sent to Bavaria to work on farms.

Might seem a relatively cushy fate but the work was extremely debilitating with inadequate food, and he never recovered from being wrenched from his family, with no hope of return after the war (Stalin treated the slave labourers as traitors).

He told me that at the end of the war he was sitting on the shore of a lake, knowing he couldn’t go home, and decided to just wade in and drown himself. But he didn’t have enough physical energy to do it.

:(

the real meaning of nostalgia.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Would I have signed up to fight in WW1? I don’t know.
In WW2? Most assuredly.

I would have been a draft dodger in Vietnam times. I would have run from the government and run from my father.

My father didn’t sign up to anything in WW2. He was a very young man whose consent wasn’t required by either the Soviets or the Nazis. From late 1939 he was conscripted into the Soviet forestry labour force, then after Barbarossa in 1941 he was conscripted as Nazi slave labour and sent to Bavaria to work on farms.

Might seem a relatively cushy fate but the work was extremely debilitating with inadequate food, and he never recovered from being wrenched from his family, with no hope of return after the war (Stalin treated the slave labourers as traitors).

He told me that at the end of the war he was sitting on the shore of a lake, knowing he couldn’t go home, and decided to just wade in and drown himself. But he didn’t have enough physical energy to do it.

Well we’re glad he didn’t have the energy.

Peak Warming Man said:

A question I sometimes ponder, if I was a youth in Germany in 1939, would I have fallen under the thrall of Nazism, I’m not sure.
Would I have joined the Wehrmacht and fought for my country, most definatly.
The same questions for being a lad in Russia in 1917, would I have fallen under the thrall of communism, I’m not sure, would I have fought for mother Russia, most definatly.

It is my understanding from a friend who was in Hitler Youth that there was not much choice about it. Given he ended up as a political prisoner in the East after the war, I think it might be safe to believe him.

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

A question I sometimes ponder, if I was a youth in Germany in 1939, would I have fallen under the thrall of Nazism, I’m not sure.
Would I have joined the Wehrmacht and fought for my country, most definatly.
The same questions for being a lad in Russia in 1917, would I have fallen under the thrall of communism, I’m not sure, would I have fought for mother Russia, most definatly.

It is my understanding from a friend who was in Hitler Youth that there was not much choice about it. Given he ended up as a political prisoner in the East after the war, I think it might be safe to believe him.

Jojo Rabbit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL4McUzXfFI

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

A question I sometimes ponder, if I was a youth in Germany in 1939, would I have fallen under the thrall of Nazism, I’m not sure.
Would I have joined the Wehrmacht and fought for my country, most definatly.
The same questions for being a lad in Russia in 1917, would I have fallen under the thrall of communism, I’m not sure, would I have fought for mother Russia, most definatly.

It is my understanding from a friend who was in Hitler Youth that there was not much choice about it. Given he ended up as a political prisoner in the East after the war, I think it might be safe to believe him.

Jojo Rabbit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL4McUzXfFI

Looking forward to that one.

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

It is my understanding from a friend who was in Hitler Youth that there was not much choice about it. Given he ended up as a political prisoner in the East after the war, I think it might be safe to believe him.

Jojo Rabbit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL4McUzXfFI

Looking forward to that one.