…is this what we’re witnessing, as the optimists would have us believe?

Certainly seems that the long term trends are on the side of the angels, judging by majority youth attitudes to most things.

I tend to side with the optimists. We’re on the brink of sweeping aside the worst aspects of Western right-wing reactionary bullshit and its promoters. Who oblige our cause by not even attempting to disguise their ugliness – look at the Trumps and Pences, the Duttons and Hansons, the Blojos and Reese-Fucking-Moggs.

As for Putin and even the CCP, their days also look numbered.

Will it all turn out nice in the end?

Bubblecar said:

Will it all turn out nice in the end?

I am also optimistic.

The way things are going Trump will get four more years in the USA and is there even an effective opposition in Oz at the moment?

Bubblecar said:

…is this what we’re witnessing, as the optimists would have us believe?

Certainly seems that the long term trends are on the side of the angels, judging by majority youth attitudes to most things.

I tend to side with the optimists. We’re on the brink of sweeping aside the worst aspects of Western right-wing reactionary bullshit and its promoters. Who oblige our cause by not even attempting to disguise their ugliness – look at the Trumps and Pences, the Duttons and Hansons, the Blojos and Reese-Fucking-Moggs.

As for Putin and even the CCP, their days also look numbered.

Will it all turn out nice in the end?

In the very longest frame, I remain optimistic.

In the short term, I really don’t know. Government’s don’t seem to get punished for being nakedly in favour of the extremely wealthy at the expense of others. Things seem finely balanced in the UK and the US. There’s a good chance of a no-deal Brexit and more conservative government, grinding austerity and casualisation of the workforce, demoralisation.
There’s also about an ‘alf chance that DJT will be returned as President, and if that happens it will mean the USA is on its way to being a very different kind of country: anti-NATO, pro-authoritarian, cult-of-personality style.

More broadly, politicians aren’t punished at all for outright dishonesty, no matter how ridiculous or off-base the claims are. Right seems to make great use of social media as a tools of misinformation. The Death Tax rumour caned the ALP in the recent election. The Right’s control of “old media” is also an ongoing issue but damn near everyone is on Facebook whereas not many people under 50 read the newspaper or listen to talkback radio.

Over the next say 20 years, there will be a generational shift. Hopefully most of these politicised young people will remember to enroll to vote.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

…is this what we’re witnessing, as the optimists would have us believe?

Certainly seems that the long term trends are on the side of the angels, judging by majority youth attitudes to most things.

I tend to side with the optimists. We’re on the brink of sweeping aside the worst aspects of Western right-wing reactionary bullshit and its promoters. Who oblige our cause by not even attempting to disguise their ugliness – look at the Trumps and Pences, the Duttons and Hansons, the Blojos and Reese-Fucking-Moggs.

As for Putin and even the CCP, their days also look numbered.

Will it all turn out nice in the end?

In the very longest frame, I remain optimistic.

In the short term, I really don’t know. Government’s don’t seem to get punished for being nakedly in favour of the extremely wealthy at the expense of others. Things seem finely balanced in the UK and the US. There’s a good chance of a no-deal Brexit and more conservative government, grinding austerity and casualisation of the workforce, demoralisation.
There’s also about an ‘alf chance that DJT will be returned as President, and if that happens it will mean the USA is on its way to being a very different kind of country: anti-NATO, pro-authoritarian, cult-of-personality style.

More broadly, politicians aren’t punished at all for outright dishonesty, no matter how ridiculous or off-base the claims are. Right seems to make great use of social media as a tools of misinformation. The Death Tax rumour caned the ALP in the recent election. The Right’s control of “old media” is also an ongoing issue but damn near everyone is on Facebook whereas not many people under 50 read the newspaper or listen to talkback radio.

Over the next say 20 years, there will be a generational shift. Hopefully most of these politicised young people will remember to enroll to vote.

Those at the cutting edge of IT and its potentials have perhaps always been a bit blind to the extent that this stuff could be exploited by powerful regressive mindsets.

I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.

Divine Angel said:

I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.

Keep the faith.

Nothing wrong with right wing governments, they have served many countries very well over long periods of time. The left are their own worst enemy, trying to depict Mrs Morrison as a fascist white supremacist for example.
Voters aren’t mugs.

Peak Warming Man said:

Nothing wrong with right wing governments, they have served many countries very well over long periods of time. The left are their own worst enemy, trying to depict Mrs Morrison as a fascist white supremacist for example.
Voters aren’t mugs.

mind you chin with that knee jerk.

sibeen said:

The way things are going Trump will get four more years in the USA and is there even an effective opposition in Oz at the moment?

You Lefties are so cynical.

I think we should give Albo a go.

Maybe a low profile till the next election is the way to go.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

The way things are going Trump will get four more years in the USA and is there even an effective opposition in Oz at the moment?

You Lefties are so cynical.

I think we should give Albo a go.

Maybe a low profile till the next election is the way to go.

Albo, that’s him. Forgot who he was there for a minute.

Peak Warming Man said:

Nothing wrong with right wing governments, they have served many countries very well over long periods of time. The left are their own worst enemy, trying to depict Mrs Morrison as a fascist white supremacist for example.
Voters aren’t mugs.

What were the numbers on the proportion of lefties who depict Mrs Morrison as a fascist white supremacist again?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Nothing wrong with right wing governments, they have served many countries very well over long periods of time. The left are their own worst enemy, trying to depict Mrs Morrison as a fascist white supremacist for example.
Voters aren’t mugs.

What were the numbers on the proportion of lefties who depict Mrs Morrison as a fascist white supremacist again?

I’ve literally never seen any examples of that, and most of my personal contacts are lefties.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Nothing wrong with right wing governments, they have served many countries very well over long periods of time. The left are their own worst enemy, trying to depict Mrs Morrison as a fascist white supremacist for example.
Voters aren’t mugs.

What were the numbers on the proportion of lefties who depict Mrs Morrison as a fascist white supremacist again?

I’ve literally never seen any examples of that, and most of my personal contacts are lefties.

From: Chat – Sept 19

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

The way things are going Trump will get four more years in the USA and is there even an effective opposition in Oz at the moment?

You Lefties are so cynical.

I think we should give Albo a go.

Maybe a low profile till the next election is the way to go.

Who even knows.

Bubblecar said:

…is this what we’re witnessing, as the optimists would have us believe?

Certainly seems that the long term trends are on the side of the angels, judging by majority youth attitudes to most things.

I tend to side with the optimists. We’re on the brink of sweeping aside the worst aspects of Western right-wing reactionary bullshit and its promoters. Who oblige our cause by not even attempting to disguise their ugliness – look at the Trumps and Pences, the Duttons and Hansons, the Blojos and Reese-Fucking-Moggs.

As for Putin and even the CCP, their days also look numbered.

Will it all turn out nice in the end?

nope, they’re doing everything they can to kill off opposition

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-03/us-presidential-hopeful-bernie-sanders-has-heart-procedure/11569576

The sheer contrariness one encounters these days is disorienting. People will just boldly state something that can easily disproven, without any concern that their base will bother to check. Accusing your opponents of your own crimes is par for the course.
And the hypocrisy. People who’ve never given a shit about the homeless will say, “Why are we giving millions of dollars to other countries instead of taking care of our homeless?” People who’ve never given a shit about the third world will say, “How can Greta say we’ve destroyed her dreams while there are worse off kids in Africa?”
People don’t even have to be cunning or crafty about it any more.

dv said:

The sheer contrariness one encounters these days is disorienting. People will just boldly state something that can easily disproven, without any concern that their base will bother to check. Accusing your opponents of your own crimes is par for the course.
And the hypocrisy. People who’ve never given a shit about the homeless will say, “Why are we giving millions of dollars to other countries instead of taking care of our homeless?” People who’ve never given a shit about the third world will say, “How can Greta say we’ve destroyed her dreams while there are worse off kids in Africa?”
People don’t even have to be cunning or crafty about it any more.

then there’s media studies (i mean generically, not “Media Studies”) where the great literary critics tell us “all media are biased / distorting / untrustworthy / untruthful … therefore it’s impossible to know what is true any more (or ever)”, thereby shutting out the legitimacy of certain other forms of philosophical enquiry

Bubblecar said:

…is this what we’re witnessing, as the optimists would have us believe?

Certainly seems that the long term trends are on the side of the angels, judging by majority youth attitudes to most things.

I tend to side with the optimists. We’re on the brink of sweeping aside the worst aspects of Western right-wing reactionary bullshit and its promoters. Who oblige our cause by not even attempting to disguise their ugliness – look at the Trumps and Pences, the Duttons and Hansons, the Blojos and Reese-Fucking-Moggs.

As for Putin and even the CCP, their days also look numbered.

Will it all turn out nice in the end?

Ever read Gibbons “Decline and fall of the Roman Empire”?

Did everything all turn out nice in the end there?

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

The sheer contrariness one encounters these days is disorienting. People will just boldly state something that can easily disproven, without any concern that their base will bother to check. Accusing your opponents of your own crimes is par for the course.
And the hypocrisy. People who’ve never given a shit about the homeless will say, “Why are we giving millions of dollars to other countries instead of taking care of our homeless?” People who’ve never given a shit about the third world will say, “How can Greta say we’ve destroyed her dreams while there are worse off kids in Africa?”
People don’t even have to be cunning or crafty about it any more.

then there’s media studies (i mean generically, not “Media Studies”) where the great literary critics tell us “all media are biased / distorting / untrustworthy / untruthful … therefore it’s impossible to know what is true any more (or ever)”, thereby shutting out the legitimacy of certain other forms of philosophical enquiry

since the machines went global with associations, associationism almost become a motivational theory, or perhaps has similarly on an industrial scale, an applied way, part of theory of mind, emulating the glorified machines, your new mummy and daddy

but, you’ll indulge and enter the world of microcomparisons, with no retreat, the heart of envy and jealousy, left and right politically it wont matter

no physics of the world, even the inanimate will no longer be separate from the social workings of your mind, inseparable

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/02/chilling-singapores-fake-news-law-comes-into-effect

there’s so much ‘information’ out there these days (things trying to influence), many people fail to completely make things up, to go to the effort of completely making it up again moment-to-moment, which some reality requires, a constant effort

it’s not that whoever’s wrongheadedness is half made up, it’s the failure of imaginative effort to make it up again over and over, to verify even the most simple things to still be valid

so while some people look for big, or easy answers, there’s a failure to go back to basics, and my view is even the dumbest things require a re-effort, a constancy that way

it’s an illusion (delusion) that all the (many) influences of culture automatically confer competencies. Fact is all that noise overshoots many peoples abilities. There quite simply isn’t the power of abstraction, the computational power in the wetware, given the scale and volume of the forces.

mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

…is this what we’re witnessing, as the optimists would have us believe?

Certainly seems that the long term trends are on the side of the angels, judging by majority youth attitudes to most things.

I tend to side with the optimists. We’re on the brink of sweeping aside the worst aspects of Western right-wing reactionary bullshit and its promoters. Who oblige our cause by not even attempting to disguise their ugliness – look at the Trumps and Pences, the Duttons and Hansons, the Blojos and Reese-Fucking-Moggs.

As for Putin and even the CCP, their days also look numbered.

Will it all turn out nice in the end?

Ever read Gibbons “Decline and fall of the Roman Empire”?

Did everything all turn out nice in the end there?

I need to explain. Rome rotted inside for a long while before it was defeated from outside.

The most obvious sign of decay was the reducing tenure of politicians. That is happening now.

There are extremely strong parallels between Imperial Rome in its heyday and presidential USA now.

One parallel is between Pax Romana and the current Pax Americana – a time of worldwide (relative) peace that accompanied and was forced by the empire.

A second less obvious but more important parallel is between the Roman Praetorian Guard and the US Secret Service. In both, the ostensible purpose of this incredibly over-bloated organisation is the protection of the Emporer – President. It’s real purpose is to control the Emporer-President.

This control acts to turn a good president like Obama into a bad president (started the war in Syria) and a bad president like Rump into a good president by keeping him so busy with unimportant rasks that he doesn’t notice that nothing he wants done (such as destroying NASA) is actually happening.

In addition, political society polarises into two factions. The humanitarian faction spends all its copious spare time trying to destroy corrupt presidents. And the corrupt faction spends all its copious spare time trying to destroy humanitarian presidents.

In Rome, it got to the stage that who became Emporer had no effect, because the opposite faction would get rid of him so fast that he couldn’t actually accomplish anything.

I see the exact same thing happening in the USA, Britain and in Australia.

Well, is there anything to be optimistic about at all?

Yes, i suppose, two things.

One is the timescale. The collapse of Pax Americana, if it runs to the same timescale as Pax Romana, still has about 200 years until the world collapses.

A second is the powerless constitutional monarchies of Britain and Japan. When parliament collapses totally, the monarchy will have the ability to kick it out and start again from scratch.

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

The way things are going Trump will get four more years in the USA and is there even an effective opposition in Oz at the moment?

You Lefties are so cynical.

I think we should give Albo a go.

Maybe a low profile till the next election is the way to go.

Albo, that’s him. Forgot who he was there for a minute.

He isn’t saying anything to make me think he is representing me.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

You Lefties are so cynical.

I think we should give Albo a go.

Maybe a low profile till the next election is the way to go.

Albo, that’s him. Forgot who he was there for a minute.

He isn’t saying anything to make me think he is representing me.

He’s awaiting offers from those who would like him to represent them, and who are in positions to make it worth his while.

dv said:

The sheer contrariness one encounters these days is disorienting. People will just boldly state something that can easily disproven, without any concern that their base will bother to check. Accusing your opponents of your own crimes is par for the course.
And the hypocrisy. People who’ve never given a shit about the homeless will say, “Why are we giving millions of dollars to other countries instead of taking care of our homeless?” People who’ve never given a shit about the third world will say, “How can Greta say we’ve destroyed her dreams while there are worse off kids in Africa?”
People don’t even have to be cunning or crafty about it any more.

The lefties more than make up for it in the cunning or crafty side of things.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

The sheer contrariness one encounters these days is disorienting. People will just boldly state something that can easily disproven, without any concern that their base will bother to check. Accusing your opponents of your own crimes is par for the course.
And the hypocrisy. People who’ve never given a shit about the homeless will say, “Why are we giving millions of dollars to other countries instead of taking care of our homeless?” People who’ve never given a shit about the third world will say, “How can Greta say we’ve destroyed her dreams while there are worse off kids in Africa?”
People don’t even have to be cunning or crafty about it any more.

The lefties more than make up for it in the cunning or crafty side of things.

Please expand on this point.

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

The sheer contrariness one encounters these days is disorienting. People will just boldly state something that can easily disproven, without any concern that their base will bother to check. Accusing your opponents of your own crimes is par for the course.
And the hypocrisy. People who’ve never given a shit about the homeless will say, “Why are we giving millions of dollars to other countries instead of taking care of our homeless?” People who’ve never given a shit about the third world will say, “How can Greta say we’ve destroyed her dreams while there are worse off kids in Africa?”
People don’t even have to be cunning or crafty about it any more.

The lefties more than make up for it in the cunning or crafty side of things.

Please expand on this point.

Haven’t been any lefties since Hawke privitised Telstra.

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

The sheer contrariness one encounters these days is disorienting. People will just boldly state something that can easily disproven, without any concern that their base will bother to check. Accusing your opponents of your own crimes is par for the course.
And the hypocrisy. People who’ve never given a shit about the homeless will say, “Why are we giving millions of dollars to other countries instead of taking care of our homeless?” People who’ve never given a shit about the third world will say, “How can Greta say we’ve destroyed her dreams while there are worse off kids in Africa?”
People don’t even have to be cunning or crafty about it any more.

The lefties more than make up for it in the cunning or crafty side of things.

Please expand on this point.

Just look in the mirror, they dig and dig and dig, going back decades to find ANY semblance of dirt, then make mountains out of molehills from it. They mislead, misrepresent and will do anything to discredit the person they perceive as the enemy/opposition. I used to be quite left leaning, but after viewing their behavior and the blatant pigeon shitting done in this forum, I no longer consider the left to be as upstanding as I once did. That is not to say the far right is any better, just you are both a lot of crap.

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

The lefties more than make up for it in the cunning or crafty side of things.

Please expand on this point.

Just look in the mirror, they dig and dig and dig, going back decades to find ANY semblance of dirt, then make mountains out of molehills from it. They mislead, misrepresent and will do anything to discredit the person they perceive as the enemy/opposition. I used to be quite left leaning, but after viewing their behavior and the blatant pigeon shitting done in this forum, I no longer consider the left to be as upstanding as I once did. That is not to say the far right is any better, just you are both a lot of crap.

Not good enough. Just more schmearing.

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

The lefties more than make up for it in the cunning or crafty side of things.

Please expand on this point.

Just look in the mirror, they dig and dig and dig, going back decades to find ANY semblance of dirt, then make mountains out of molehills from it. They mislead, misrepresent and will do anything to discredit the person they perceive as the enemy/opposition. I used to be quite left leaning, but after viewing their behavior and the blatant pigeon shitting done in this forum, I no longer consider the left to be as upstanding as I once did. That is not to say the far right is any better, just you are both a lot of crap.

Totally agree.

I no longer base my voting habits on left-right.

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

Please expand on this point.

Just look in the mirror, they dig and dig and dig, going back decades to find ANY semblance of dirt, then make mountains out of molehills from it. They mislead, misrepresent and will do anything to discredit the person they perceive as the enemy/opposition. I used to be quite left leaning, but after viewing their behavior and the blatant pigeon shitting done in this forum, I no longer consider the left to be as upstanding as I once did. That is not to say the far right is any better, just you are both a lot of crap.

Not good enough. Just more schmearing.

LOL

It is the self-righteous attitude of the left, that their ignorant outlook is the only way.

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

Just look in the mirror, they dig and dig and dig, going back decades to find ANY semblance of dirt, then make mountains out of molehills from it. They mislead, misrepresent and will do anything to discredit the person they perceive as the enemy/opposition. I used to be quite left leaning, but after viewing their behavior and the blatant pigeon shitting done in this forum, I no longer consider the left to be as upstanding as I once did. That is not to say the far right is any better, just you are both a lot of crap.

Not good enough. Just more schmearing.

LOL

It is the self-righteous attitude of the left, that their ignorant outlook is the only way.

Perhaps I am at fault in that I do not see the labor party as being leftist anymore.

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

Not good enough. Just more schmearing.

LOL

It is the self-righteous attitude of the left, that their ignorant outlook is the only way.

Perhaps I am at fault in that I do not see the labor party as being leftist anymore.

That’s all right, no one does.

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

Not good enough. Just more schmearing.

LOL

It is the self-righteous attitude of the left, that their ignorant outlook is the only way.

Perhaps I am at fault in that I do not see the labor party as being leftist anymore.

Permeate doesn’t seem to have a rational perspective to offer so I wouldn’t be distracted by him.

He projects himself as an environmentalist but just can’t quite let go of the of the right-wing populists. It’s an odd mixture.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

LOL

It is the self-righteous attitude of the left, that their ignorant outlook is the only way.

Perhaps I am at fault in that I do not see the labor party as being leftist anymore.

Permeate doesn’t seem to have a rational perspective to offer so I wouldn’t be distracted by him.

He projects himself as an environmentalist but just can’t quite let go of the of the right-wing populists. It’s an odd mixture.

Subtract one “of the” :)

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

LOL

It is the self-righteous attitude of the left, that their ignorant outlook is the only way.

Perhaps I am at fault in that I do not see the labor party as being leftist anymore.

Permeate doesn’t seem to have a rational perspective to offer so I wouldn’t be distracted by him.

He projects himself as an environmentalist but just can’t quite let go of the of the right-wing populists. It’s an odd mixture.

See what I mean by a self-righteous attitude and their ignorant outlook is the only way.

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Perhaps I am at fault in that I do not see the labor party as being leftist anymore.

Permeate doesn’t seem to have a rational perspective to offer so I wouldn’t be distracted by him.

He projects himself as an environmentalist but just can’t quite let go of the of the right-wing populists. It’s an odd mixture.

See what I mean by a self-righteous attitude and their ignorant outlook is the only way.

No. I see how you slurred car and by doing so slurred me.

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

Permeate doesn’t seem to have a rational perspective to offer so I wouldn’t be distracted by him.

He projects himself as an environmentalist but just can’t quite let go of the of the right-wing populists. It’s an odd mixture.

See what I mean by a self-righteous attitude and their ignorant outlook is the only way.

No. I see how you slurred car and by doing so slurred me.

You two slur yourselves, you don’t need me. Think you both should get out more!

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

He projects himself as an environmentalist but just can’t quite let go of the of the right-wing populists. It’s an odd mixture.

See what I mean by a self-righteous attitude and their ignorant outlook is the only way.

No. I see how you slurred car and by doing so slurred me.

Mollwollfumble turns back on discussion and walks away.

Alt righties and religious extremists should all be gathered up and thrown in jail.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Alt righties and religious extremists should all be gathered up and thrown in jail.

Utah.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Alt righties and religious extremists should all be gathered up and thrown in jail.

That would be a pretty rightie religious extremist sort of thing to do.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Alt righties and religious extremists should all be gathered up and thrown in jail.

That would be a pretty rightie religious extremist sort of thing to do.

rightie hate groups like Assemblies of God and al the other nutter groups.

A lot of these religious hate groups are no better than Nazis

Tau.Neutrino said:

A lot of these religious hate groups are no better than Nazis

Corrected.

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

A lot of these religious hate groups are no better than Nazis

Corrected.

Yes, I’ll go along with that.

I have no problem with moderate religions .

Just the extremist ones, who don’t care what effect they have on other people.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I have no problem with moderate religions .

Just the extremist ones, who don’t care what effect they have on other people.

Israel Folau’s church is a hate group.

And his hate comes from that.

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Alt righties and religious extremists should all be gathered up and thrown in jail.

That would be a pretty rightie religious extremist sort of thing to do.

rightie hate groups like Assemblies of God and al the other nutter groups.

unnecessary, neutrino

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

That would be a pretty rightie religious extremist sort of thing to do.

rightie hate groups like Assemblies of God and al the other nutter groups.

unnecessary, neutrino

unnecessary?

I think its necessary to identify all these hate groups and publicly list them as such on a National database

Israel Folau’s Church is a hate group.

Part of a wider group of hate.

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

rightie hate groups like Assemblies of God and al the other nutter groups.

unnecessary, neutrino

unnecessary?

I think its necessary to identify all these hate groups and publicly list them as such on a National database

Israel Folau’s Church is a hate group.

Part of a wider group of hate.

you must have a hobby

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

unnecessary, neutrino

unnecessary?

I think its necessary to identify all these hate groups and publicly list them as such on a National database

Israel Folau’s Church is a hate group.

Part of a wider group of hate.

you must have a hobby

Astronomy, cosmology, science, art and reading among others.

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

unnecessary?

I think its necessary to identify all these hate groups and publicly list them as such on a National database

Israel Folau’s Church is a hate group.

Part of a wider group of hate.

you must have a hobby

Astronomy, cosmology, science, art and reading among others.

excellent, don’t neglect them

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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/03/centrelink-accused-of-issuing-14500-robodebt-to-pensioner-with-intellectual-impairment

In one submission, the Australian Association of Social Workers said that its members working in oncology wards had reported instances of people “going without medication and refusing treatment because they cannot afford transport to the clinic”.

The Consumers Health Forum, meanwhile, said Newstart recipients had reported choosing between tampons and food and saving money by avoiding taking medication, particularly for mental health conditions.
Another submission from the charity Uniting Communities said that clients in communities where bulk billing clinics were not available would avoid going to the doctors to get their scripts filled.

Noting that people over 55 were now the largest cohort of people on Newstart, Good Shepherd also said its financial counsellors had seen an “an alarming increase in older people who are seeking help”.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/01/newstart-crisis-calls-for-independent-commission-to-set-rate-of-welfare-payments

Peter Dutton accused of sounding ‘like a dictator’ after urging welfare cuts for protesters

Home affairs minister also recommended mandatory jail sentences and public shaming of climate change activists
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/03/peter-dutton-accused-dictator-urging-welfare-cuts-protesters

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/03/peter-dutton-accused-dictator-urging-welfare-cuts-protesters

no question their type of capitalism requires a full-employment mafia, equivalent of

sue me if i’m not substantially right

transition said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/03/peter-dutton-accused-dictator-urging-welfare-cuts-protesters

no question their type of capitalism requires a full-employment mafia, equivalent of

sue me if i’m not substantially right

Am I allowed to just express a different opinion?

“Capitalism” does not require a full-employment mafia at all.

It is possible to support a liberal, or even a Liberal, approach to economics without supporting Dutton’s latest outrages.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/03/peter-dutton-accused-dictator-urging-welfare-cuts-protesters

no question their type of capitalism requires a full-employment mafia, equivalent of

sue me if i’m not substantially right

Am I allowed to just express a different opinion?

“Capitalism” does not require a full-employment mafia at all.

It is possible to support a liberal, or even a Liberal, approach to economics without supporting Dutton’s latest outrages.

I said their capitalism, for good reason

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