Thread prompted by ideas from “The ABC Wants to Put you in a Box” and “your first vowels”.

Is there too little respect in the world, or too much?

Or is the concept of “respect” such a multifaceted thing that it should never have been summarised in a single word?

I find the word “respect” to have a heavy emotional burden. Although ostensibly positive, it has undertones of fear, which is negative.

A few brainstorming thoughts about “respect”.

• “Man of respect” = Mafia boss.
• Respect has undertones of awe, awesome and awful.
• Respect plays a large role in the formulation of political correctness.
• Respect is the enemy of humour.
• “Respec’”, Ali G.

From Peanuts cartoon:
Linus: “I understand you Charlie Brown. You don’t want pity you want respect”.
Charlie Brown: “On the contrary, I’ll take all the pity I can get”.

So in a sense, a person (or animal) you respect is one who could turn on you and nail your balls to a fencepost.

I respect mrs m.

As a general rule, I respect everybody i meet, until i learn to relax in their presence.

mollwollfumble said:

Thread prompted by ideas from “The ABC Wants to Put you in a Box” and “your first vowels”.

Is there too little respect in the world, or too much?

Or is the concept of “respect” such a multifaceted thing that it should never have been summarised in a single word?

I find the word “respect” to have a heavy emotional burden. Although ostensibly positive, it has undertones of fear, which is negative.

A few brainstorming thoughts about “respect”.

• “Man of respect” = Mafia boss.
• Respect has undertones of awe, awesome and awful.
• Respect plays a large role in the formulation of political correctness.
• Respect is the enemy of humour.
• “Respec’”, Ali G.

From Peanuts cartoon:
Linus: “I understand you Charlie Brown. You don’t want pity you want respect”.
Charlie Brown: “On the contrary, I’ll take all the pity I can get”.

So in a sense, a person (or animal) you respect is one who could turn on you and nail your balls to a fencepost.

I respect mrs m.

As a general rule, I respect everybody i meet, until i learn to relax in their presence.

Seems to me you are adding all sorts of specific overtones to the word “respect” that in general have no place there, and are no included in the general usage.

You are doing the same for “political correctness”, but unfortunately in that case they very are included in general usage.

mollwollfumble said:

Thread prompted by ideas from “The ABC Wants to Put you in a Box” and “your first vowels”.

Is there too little respect in the world, or too much?

Or is the concept of “respect” such a multifaceted thing that it should never have been summarised in a single word?

I find the word “respect” to have a heavy emotional burden. Although ostensibly positive, it has undertones of fear, which is negative.

A few brainstorming thoughts about “respect”.

• “Man of respect” = Mafia boss.
• Respect has undertones of awe, awesome and awful.
• Respect plays a large role in the formulation of political correctness.
• Respect is the enemy of humour.
• “Respec’”, Ali G.

From Peanuts cartoon:
Linus: “I understand you Charlie Brown. You don’t want pity you want respect”.
Charlie Brown: “On the contrary, I’ll take all the pity I can get”.

So in a sense, a person (or animal) you respect is one who could turn on you and nail your balls to a fencepost.

I respect mrs m.

As a general rule, I respect everybody i meet, until i learn to relax in their presence.

Some respect is a given for the position but not necessarily earned, Magistrates/Judges and MP’s, they are the right honourable and in the cases of MP could be complete dicks undeserving of the respect.
Respect does get misused like you said by the fear aspect, but that’s good when its not related to people, healthy respect say for a powerful machine that you need to handle carefully as it could kill you.

I think the usage of “respect” is changing. People demand respect these days. Actually, respect in my opinion is an earned thing.

You can get pity with misfortune but you have to earn respect.

buffy said:

I think the usage of “respect” is changing. People demand respect these days. Actually, respect in my opinion is an earned thing.

I’d say it has many meanings, and always has had.

For instance, you should respect (i.e. accept) peoples’ right to have religious beliefs, even if you think the beliefs make no sense.

Peak Warming Man said:

You can get pity with misfortune but you have to earn respect.

My boss told me not long ago that ‘we have to respect’ the senior manager.

I told him that i might be obliged to salute the rank, but only i know whether i salute the man.

a lot of respect is probably inclined by not so much the need for immediate reciprocity (helping/cooperation) but you may need it later, at some indeterminable point in the future, call in a favor is probably the most obvious one, but extends to bigger scales and people you don’t know at all, even social capital

so it’s goodwill really, a readiness that way

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

Thread prompted by ideas from “The ABC Wants to Put you in a Box” and “your first vowels”.

Is there too little respect in the world, or too much?

Or is the concept of “respect” such a multifaceted thing that it should never have been summarised in a single word?

I find the word “respect” to have a heavy emotional burden. Although ostensibly positive, it has undertones of fear, which is negative.

A few brainstorming thoughts about “respect”.

• “Man of respect” = Mafia boss.
• Respect has undertones of awe, awesome and awful.
• Respect plays a large role in the formulation of political correctness.
• Respect is the enemy of humour.
• “Respec’”, Ali G.

From Peanuts cartoon:
Linus: “I understand you Charlie Brown. You don’t want pity you want respect”.
Charlie Brown: “On the contrary, I’ll take all the pity I can get”.

So in a sense, a person (or animal) you respect is one who could turn on you and nail your balls to a fencepost.

I respect mrs m.

As a general rule, I respect everybody i meet, until i learn to relax in their presence.

Some respect is a given for the position but not necessarily earned, Magistrates/Judges and MP’s, they are the right honourable and in the cases of MP could be complete dicks undeserving of the respect.
Respect does get misused like you said by the fear aspect, but that’s good when its not related to people, healthy respect say for a powerful machine that you need to handle carefully as it could kill you.

I have respect for my doctor & when I see him in his official capacity I call him doctor . If I see him on the street I call him by his given name.

transition said:

a lot of respect is probably inclined by not so much the need for immediate reciprocity (helping/cooperation) but you may need it later, at some indeterminable point in the future, call in a favor is probably the most obvious one, but extends to bigger scales and people you don’t know at all, even social capital

so it’s goodwill really, a readiness that way

insert an only

….by not so much only the need for immediate reciprocity….

transition said:

transition said:

a lot of respect is probably inclined by not so much the need for immediate reciprocity (helping/cooperation) but you may need it later, at some indeterminable point in the future, call in a favor is probably the most obvious one, but extends to bigger scales and people you don’t know at all, even social capital

so it’s goodwill really, a readiness that way

insert an only

….by not so much only the need for immediate reciprocity….

with it in mind people manage immediate reciprocity, need to for practical reasons, manage the immediacy too

Everyone is deserving of respect when you first meet them I suppose and that can be a sliding scale once you get to know them.

Cymek said:

Everyone is deserving of respect when you first meet them I suppose and that can be a sliding scale once you get to know them.

I’d go more with everyone is deserving of courtesy when you first meet them. Respect may, or may not, come later.

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Everyone is deserving of respect when you first meet them I suppose and that can be a sliding scale once you get to know them.

I’d go more with everyone is deserving of courtesy when you first meet them. Respect may, or may not, come later.

Good point, yes courtesy.

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Everyone is deserving of respect when you first meet them I suppose and that can be a sliding scale once you get to know them.

I’d go more with everyone is deserving of courtesy when you first meet them. Respect may, or may not, come later.

I agree.

With respect to this discussion, and with all due respect to those taking part, I respect the rights of others to have a differing opinion, but I’d say that insufficient respect has been paid to the differing meanings of the word “respect” in different contexts.

The Rev Dodgson said:

With respect to this discussion, and with all due respect to those taking part, I respect the rights of others to have a differing opinion, but I’d say that insufficient respect has been paid to the differing meanings of the word “respect” in different contexts.

Cymek said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

With respect to this discussion, and with all due respect to those taking part, I respect the rights of others to have a differing opinion, but I’d say that insufficient respect has been paid to the differing meanings of the word “respect” in different contexts.

Cats demand respect and thus receive none.

The Rev Dodgson said:

With respect to this discussion, and with all due respect to those taking part, I respect the rights of others to have a differing opinion, but I’d say that insufficient respect has been paid to the differing meanings of the word “respect” in different contexts.

In respect to your latest missive, I think the meaning of the word under discussion is quite narrow and that aspect of the discussion has been touched on although lightly.

Yours Respectfully
Peak Warming Man (DSO KGB PMT with bar)

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

With respect to this discussion, and with all due respect to those taking part, I respect the rights of others to have a differing opinion, but I’d say that insufficient respect has been paid to the differing meanings of the word “respect” in different contexts.

In respect to your latest missive, I think the meaning of the word under discussion is quite narrow and that aspect of the discussion has been touched on although lightly.

Yours Respectfully
Peak Warming Man (DSO KGB PMT with bar)

furious said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

With respect to this discussion, and with all due respect to those taking part, I respect the rights of others to have a differing opinion, but I’d say that insufficient respect has been paid to the differing meanings of the word “respect” in different contexts.

In respect to your latest missive, I think the meaning of the word under discussion is quite narrow and that aspect of the discussion has been touched on although lightly.

Yours Respectfully
Peak Warming Man (DSO KGB PMT with bar)

It’s like the newspeakers trying to tell us that our suppliers were our customers when the opposite was true. We were their customers, they were our suppliers. Any drug dealer knows that.

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Everyone is deserving of respect when you first meet them I suppose and that can be a sliding scale once you get to know them.

I’d go more with everyone is deserving of courtesy when you first meet them. Respect may, or may not, come later.

> Respect plays a large role in the formulation of political correctness.

So should it be said that political correctness is based on courtesy rather than respect?

How does one “earn” respect?

mollwollfumble said:

How does one “earn” respect?

By being a great soul.

mollwollfumble said:

How does one “earn” respect?

demonstrated strongly positive correlation between words and deeds.

I think there is a difference between respect and deference too. Automatic deference to an office is bullshit IMAO.

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Everyone is deserving of respect when you first meet them I suppose and that can be a sliding scale once you get to know them.

I’d go more with everyone is deserving of courtesy when you first meet them. Respect may, or may not, come later.

> Respect plays a large role in the formulation of political correctness.

So should it be said that political correctness is based on courtesy rather than respect?

Yes. Politeness and courtesy.

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Everyone is deserving of respect when you first meet them I suppose and that can be a sliding scale once you get to know them.

I’d go more with everyone is deserving of courtesy when you first meet them. Respect may, or may not, come later.

> Respect plays a large role in the formulation of political correctness.

So should it be said that political correctness is based on courtesy rather than respect?

related Right Thinking, and psychological correctness, most people feel repressed to some extent, sure as there are pervasive inhibitory mechanisms in the mind telling you not to do some things, restraining forces. Was watching Jim Carey other day joking about them. Jesters have always been about relief from them, their job

lots of people have been blazing a trail of liberation, probably since the sixties it became hip, though plenty was happening before that i’m sure. There were chemical enhancements to help with the job, legal, and not so legal. Rock’n roll. Even a neuro chemical model of the mind to assist, but that’s more neutrino’s specialist territory, I ought not encroach

on the subject encroachments, you know it’s bad manners not to afford individuals operating space, in fact if you do this enough (provide space) half the problems of the modern world dissolve, but I guess there is always territory to be maintained, or carved out, and if you value your own opinions a lot then you’ve got to, to be fair, (appear as if you) value other peoples equally as much. I’m not a genius, but I see problems straight off the bat with that.

anyway, amongst all the chemicals, views related, it sort of emerged that a mental state wasn’t just a reference to a problem or illness, you have them too when you fall asleep, the bliss. It was revolutionary, not for larry though, the chook or pet sheep, or the wild animals.

turns out too you can have pleasing mental states with little thought at all, they didn’t need be tied to the structure of ideas held, weren’t necessarily determined so, to the correctness of your thoughts. Again revolutionary, not for wild animals though, or my pet dog

Like cake in a crisis (in a crisis) We’re bleeding out (bleeding out) While you deliberate. Bodies accumulate. Sit and talk like jesus. Try walkin’ like jesus

Cymek said:

Like cake in a crisis (in a crisis) We’re bleeding out (bleeding out) While you deliberate. Bodies accumulate. Sit and talk like jesus. Try walkin’ like jesus

Can’t. We’ve got a drought. No water.

I imagine people that demand respect most likely don’t deserve it and those that have earnt it don’t care as they are too busy getting on with things.

Demanding it comes across as very self important especially say if those you demand it from don’t know you.

Certain positions may deserve respect (but in todays climate even that’s not certain) and the person in that position has a responsibility to act respectful themselves and if they don’t then they can’t expect it in return. I’m thinking various world leaders who are the worst kind of scum and villainy and have bought disrespect to that position by the very uncouth way they act and what they say.

Cymek said:

I imagine people that demand respect most likely don’t deserve it and those that have earnt it don’t care as they are too busy getting on with things.

Demanding it comes across as very self important especially say if those you demand it from don’t know you.

Certain positions may deserve respect (but in todays climate even that’s not certain) and the person in that position has a responsibility to act respectful themselves and if they don’t then they can’t expect it in return. I’m thinking various world leaders who are the worst kind of scum and villainy and have bought disrespect to that position by the very uncouth way they act and what they say.

Ticks this.

I think actions deserve respect, not people so much.

Arts said:

I think actions deserve respect, not people so much.

Pretty much
Lots of people from history who fly under the radar but whose actions are extremely brave and selfless and deserving of respect.
Like this guy never heard of him until I read a random article on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki

Cymek said:

Arts said:

I think actions deserve respect, not people so much.

Pretty much
Lots of people from history who fly under the radar but whose actions are extremely brave and selfless and deserving of respect.
Like this guy never heard of him until I read a random article on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki

i’m not sure respect is such an active thing necessarily, requiring judgement

you can do nothing, absolutely nothing, mind your own business and it qualifies as respectful, in fact it may be that most respectful behavior involves doing not much at all

if you got very busy with judgements about respect, it could become a never ending work of comparison

I mean where would it end

transition said:

Cymek said:

Arts said:

I think actions deserve respect, not people so much.

Pretty much
Lots of people from history who fly under the radar but whose actions are extremely brave and selfless and deserving of respect.
Like this guy never heard of him until I read a random article on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki

i’m not sure respect is such an active thing necessarily, requiring judgement

you can do nothing, absolutely nothing, mind your own business and it qualifies as respectful, in fact it may be that most respectful behavior involves doing not much at all

if you got very busy with judgements about respect, it could become a never ending work of comparison

I mean where would it end

surely that is an action still.. it’s a passive action sure, but still action.

Arts said:

transition said:

Cymek said:

Pretty much
Lots of people from history who fly under the radar but whose actions are extremely brave and selfless and deserving of respect.
Like this guy never heard of him until I read a random article on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki

i’m not sure respect is such an active thing necessarily, requiring judgement

you can do nothing, absolutely nothing, mind your own business and it qualifies as respectful, in fact it may be that most respectful behavior involves doing not much at all

if you got very busy with judgements about respect, it could become a never ending work of comparison

I mean where would it end

surely that is an action still.. it’s a passive action sure, but still action.

yeah yeah I agree, passive is still action, but some aspects of that are dependent on details of intentions

I was just highlighting the contradiction of being too busy, applying the idea of respect, in more general terms

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

How does one “earn” respect?

demonstrated strongly positive correlation between words and deeds.

I like that one. But if deeds are good then are words needed?

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

How does one “earn” respect?

By being a great soul.

I’m struggling with that one. Soul as in sense of humour, as in kindness?

Is there meant to be a difference here between the mask one presents to the world and any innate value?

Arts said:

I think actions deserve respect, not people so much.

I like that.

I mean respect is a difficult one because there isn’t really one meaning except from a first person point of view.

I respect different elements than you
We respect different actions than them
Australia respects different organisations than Iran

it morphs in cultures, in genders, in socioeconomics, in ages.

In Jamaica, “respek” (respect) is used in the sense of “thank you”. I don’t think I heard “thank you” once, when I was working there.

I am mad for all the jail docos and respect is a currency in jail, and if you end up disrespected it’s a bad road and you end up in segregation.

transition said:

Cymek said:

Arts said:

I think actions deserve respect, not people so much.

Pretty much
Lots of people from history who fly under the radar but whose actions are extremely brave and selfless and deserving of respect.
Like this guy never heard of him until I read a random article on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki

i’m not sure respect is such an active thing necessarily, requiring judgement

you can do nothing, absolutely nothing, mind your own business and it qualifies as respectful, in fact it may be that most respectful behavior involves doing not much at all

if you got very busy with judgements about respect, it could become a never ending work of comparison

I mean where would it end

I agree with all of that.