Date: 17/10/2019 09:17:30
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1449889
Subject: This isn't true

I read in New Scientist this morning that a psychological study had found that reviewing psychological studies by a group of untrained people applying “common sense” was a reliable way to detect papers that contained conclusions that had not been replicated by later studies.

My common sense tells me that this procedure will come up with a significant number of false positives, and it is these papers, which contain conclusions that are counter-intuitive but have been replicated by later studies, that are the most important.

My common sense therefore tells me that if this paper is true, it is probably false, but if it is false, it may well be true.

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Date: 17/10/2019 09:22:59
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1449891
Subject: re: This isn't true

lights pipe

Do you remember if you were breast fed?

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Date: 17/10/2019 09:37:53
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1449892
Subject: re: This isn't true

Is common sense more reliable than gut feeling?

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Date: 17/10/2019 09:39:25
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1449893
Subject: re: This isn't true

Divine Angel said:


Is common sense more reliable than gut feeling?

My common sense says no, but my gut feeling says yes.

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Date: 17/10/2019 10:40:55
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1449897
Subject: re: This isn't true

This paper may be the exception that proves the rule.

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Date: 17/10/2019 10:55:31
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1449901
Subject: re: This isn't true

Bubblecar said:


This paper may be the exception that proves the rule.

It may indeed.

For at least one meaning of the word “prove”.

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Date: 17/10/2019 10:57:12
From: Ian
ID: 1449902
Subject: re: This isn't true

Maybe it’s the reviewers’ BS detectors.. too many buzz words, semi-colons etc ;

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Date: 17/10/2019 11:01:30
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1449903
Subject: re: This isn't true

Ian said:


Maybe it’s the reviewers’ BS detectors.. too many buzz words, semi-colons etc ;

Or even full colons.

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Date: 17/10/2019 11:01:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1449904
Subject: re: This isn't true

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

This paper may be the exception that proves the rule.

It may indeed.

For at least one meaning of the word “prove”.

From TATE:

“The alternative origin given is that the word “prove” is used in the archaic sense of “test”. In this sense, the phrase does not mean that an exception demonstrates a rule to be true or to exist, but that it tests the rule, thereby proving its value. There is little evidence of the phrase being used in this second way.[”

So there is little evidence of the phrase being used in the only way that makes sense?

I suppose that could well be true.

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Date: 17/10/2019 11:02:39
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1449905
Subject: re: This isn't true

Peak Warming Man said:


Ian said:

Maybe it’s the reviewers’ BS detectors.. too many buzz words, semi-colons etc ;

Or even full colons.

Yes, these tricky questions are always best considered on a full stomach.

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Date: 17/10/2019 12:45:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1449956
Subject: re: This isn't true

#define common sense

Error: invalid declaration.

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Date: 17/10/2019 12:57:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1449961
Subject: re: This isn't true

SCIENCE said:

#define common sense

Error: invalid declaration.

ok, THAT MAKES SENSE.

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Date: 17/10/2019 13:19:38
From: transition
ID: 1449976
Subject: re: This isn't true

sometimes the term commonsense is used in the pejorative, contrasted with good sense

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Date: 17/10/2019 13:26:08
From: transition
ID: 1449983
Subject: re: This isn't true

transition said:


sometimes the term commonsense is used in the pejorative, contrasted with good sense

also, Gramsci and others might make reference to commonsense to do with familiar notions internalized, that seem natural with no thought at all, in reference to theory about ideology, or the workings of ideology

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Date: 17/10/2019 13:42:21
From: transition
ID: 1450008
Subject: re: This isn't true

>I read in New Scientist this morning that a psychological study had found that reviewing psychological studies by a group of untrained people applying “common sense” was a reliable way to detect papers that contained conclusions that had not been replicated by later studies.

it sort of makes sense, that whatever asserted in that specialist field would be understandable by lay persons, if that’s what it means

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Date: 17/10/2019 16:01:09
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1450087
Subject: re: This isn't true

The Rev Dodgson said:


I read in New Scientist this morning that a psychological study had found that reviewing psychological studies by a group of untrained people applying “common sense” was a reliable way to detect papers that contained conclusions that had not been replicated by later studies.

Good. Finally something worthwhile to come out of a psychological study.

Far too often, all a psychological study does is to confirm the bleedin’ obvious. You don’t need training to spot the BS, because everyone is an expert in normal psychology.

When it comes to abnormal psychology, on the other hand, it takes one to know one.

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Date: 18/10/2019 17:45:40
From: Ogmog
ID: 1450508
Subject: re: This isn't true

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Ian said:

Maybe it’s the reviewers’ BS detectors.. too many buzz words, semi-colons etc ;

Or even full colons.

Yes, these tricky questions are always best considered on a full stomach.


a full colon
(unlike a full stomach)
is fulla shit

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Date: 18/10/2019 17:47:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1450510
Subject: re: This isn't true

Ogmog said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Or even full colons.

Yes, these tricky questions are always best considered on a full stomach.


a full colon
(unlike a full stomach)
is fulla shit

OK, good point.

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