sometimes i’ll use the word when announcing i’m possibly going to do something, usually it’s a reference to summoning the motivation, and fluid priorities

often around here we joke about ought, could, and should, how useless they are

the other day I saw the word used to do with something that should be illegal, as in ….ought be illegal….

amongst the assertion was an idea or ideas about how people ought behave

personally I prefer the word oughta, spoke ocker-like, a least there’s a hint of something else in it, the possibility. There’s liberty just in torturing English

anyway, it got me to considering peoples views about how others ought behave, and by extension ideas about how others ought think

clearly you can have an idea about how another (or others) ought think, that doesn’t really represent how others really do think

political correctness overlaps psychological correctness

of course everyone is in some way subject to behavior controls, most of which are informal, require and involve some level of agreement, and in our culture rely largely on education. Agreement tends not to be imposed, which is not an entirely irrelevant aspect of the freedoms of our culture.

getting to it…

the question of how minds work do work contrasted with ideas about how they ought work

what of our culture, expressed in culture, goes most directly to the contradictions involved in that above, not so much what good intentioned sorts might apply their wandering bloated moral faculties to, but more protecting the operating space of an egalitarian culture

transition said:

sometimes i’ll use the word when announcing i’m possibly going to do something, usually it’s a reference to summoning the motivation, and fluid priorities

often around here we joke about ought, could, and should, how useless they are

the other day I saw the word used to do with something that should be illegal, as in ….ought be illegal….

amongst the assertion was an idea or ideas about how people ought behave

personally I prefer the word oughta, spoke ocker-like, a least there’s a hint of something else in it, the possibility. There’s liberty just in torturing English

anyway, it got me to considering peoples views about how others ought behave, and by extension ideas about how others ought think

clearly you can have an idea about how another (or others) ought think, that doesn’t really represent how others really do think

political correctness overlaps psychological correctness

of course everyone is in some way subject to behavior controls, most of which are informal, require and involve some level of agreement, and in our culture rely largely on education. Agreement tends not to be imposed, which is not an entirely irrelevant aspect of the freedoms of our culture.

getting to it…

the question of how minds work do work contrasted with ideas about how they ought work

what of our culture, expressed in culture, goes most directly to the contradictions involved in that above, not so much what good intentioned sorts might apply their wandering bloated moral faculties to, but more protecting the operating space of an egalitarian culture

You should put the word “ to “ after most uses of ought.

…the question of how minds work do work contrasted with ideas about how they ought work

or, rather, writ proper

the question of how minds do work contrasted with ideas about how they ought work

transition said:

…the question of how minds work do work contrasted with ideas about how they ought work

or, rather, writ proper

the question of how minds do work contrasted with ideas about how they ought work

>how they ought to work Fixed.

Tamb said:

transition said:

…the question of how minds work do work contrasted with ideas about how they ought work

or, rather, writ proper

the question of how minds do work contrasted with ideas about how they ought work

>how they ought to work Fixed.

looks a bit superfluous, or seems superfluous

I remember from the book ‘Let Stalk Strine’ that the Australian language renders the word ‘aorta’.

As in: ‘aorto do summin bough tit’.

captain_spalding said:

I remember from the book ‘Let Stalk Strine’ that the Australian language renders the word ‘aorta’.

As in: ‘aorto do summin bough tit’.

Here, you’ll need one of these:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

I remember from the book ‘Let Stalk Strine’ that the Australian language renders the word ‘aorta’.

As in: ‘aorto do summin bough tit’.

Here, you’ll need one of these:

Now it’s a Plimsol line

transition said:

the question of how minds work do work contrasted with ideas about how they ought work

I think our minds ought to treat all other humans as being part of our tribe, rather than just those humans who live down the road, on our side of the street.

Is that the sort of thing you had in mind?

captain_spalding said:

I remember from the book ‘Let Stalk Strine’ that the Australian language renders the word ‘aorta’.

As in: ‘aorto do summin bough tit’.

Yes. It added something like “the word aorta is the lifeblood of Australian language”

The word “should” is a motivation killer. If ever i say to myself “i should … “, I need to change the wording immediatey to “i want to …” or the task will never get done.

transition said:

sometimes i’ll use the word when announcing i’m possibly going to do something, usually it’s a reference to summoning the motivation, and fluid priorities

often around here we joke about ought, could, and should, how useless they are

the other day I saw the word used to do with something that should be illegal, as in ….ought be illegal….

amongst the assertion was an idea or ideas about how people ought behave

personally I prefer the word oughta, spoke ocker-like, a least there’s a hint of something else in it, the possibility. There’s liberty just in torturing English

anyway, it got me to considering peoples views about how others ought behave, and by extension ideas about how others ought think

clearly you can have an idea about how another (or others) ought think, that doesn’t really represent how others really do think

political correctness overlaps psychological correctness

of course everyone is in some way subject to behavior controls, most of which are informal, require and involve some level of agreement, and in our culture rely largely on education. Agreement tends not to be imposed, which is not an entirely irrelevant aspect of the freedoms of our culture.

getting to it…

the question of how minds work do work contrasted with ideas about how they ought work

what of our culture, expressed in culture, goes most directly to the contradictions involved in that above, not so much what good intentioned sorts might apply their wandering bloated moral faculties to, but more protecting the operating space of an egalitarian culture

> what of our culture, expressed in culture, goes most directly to the contradictions involved in that above, not so much what good intentioned sorts might apply their wandering bloated moral faculties to, but more protecting the operating space of an egalitarian culture.

You want contradictions, consider the contradictions inherent between the two post-modernist moralities:

• Do no harm
• Do whatever you can get away with

They’re both really bad moralities, because “do no harm” is only consistent with “do nothing” because every action has both good and bad consequences. So the contradicion here is between do nothing and do everything.

But that illustration is more about “wandering bloated moral faculties” as you put it.

“protecting the operating space of an egalitarian culture” is a tougher ask. The law plays a big role in this. But law alone doesn’t suffice. It’s necessary to steer a middle course, accepting faults where situations are not high risk but severely restricting faults where consequences of error would be disasterous. That implies an accurate statistical and mechanistic assessment of risks.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

the question of how minds do work contrasted with ideas about how they ought work

I think our minds ought to treat all other humans as being part of our tribe, rather than just those humans who live down the road, on our side of the street.

Is that the sort of thing you had in mind?

not really

people have a lot in common, among that is difference (divergence), and even of that eventuated that stays or turns out substantially the same, each of us might arrive at it differently, so there’s got to be space to get wherever, operating space.

i’m trying to think of a really dumb example of my point, and there may be one right under my fingers

if you’re typing with a qwerty keyboard you may have a notion all keyboards ought be arranged so, that the nature of typing is derived of the familiarity with that arrangement. The keys ought be configured in that arrangement. You like to find your alphabet pieces like I do, and make words, it’s sort of fun isn’t it

obviously the agreement and familiarity adds to efficiency, there are many benefits, all sorts, but imagine something like it happening with ideas, in peoples heads. Dear God the horror, it terrifies me, and I have two keys missing and still can’t get b and h right reliably, they are just patches of circuit board.

don’t go pulling your keys off though to get what I mean, that won’t be necessary

Yesterday i had trouble with the “before” problem.

I ought to do the washing up
Before i do the washing up i ought to do my exercises
Before i do my exercises i ought to put my watch on
Before i put my watch on i ought to get dressed
Before i get dressed i ought to have a shower
Before i have a shower i ought to reattach the towel rail
Before i reattach the towel rail i ought to get an allen key out of the garage
But i can’t go outside to the garage in my pyjamas

I never did get the washing up done, i made the bed instead.

Do other animals have this sort of problem?

mollwollfumble said:

Yesterday i had trouble with the “before” problem.

I ought to do the washing up
Before i do the washing up i ought to do my exercises
Before i do my exercises i ought to put my watch on
Before i put my watch on i ought to get dressed
Before i get dressed i ought to have a shower
Before i have a shower i ought to reattach the towel rail
Before i reattach the towel rail i ought to get an allen key out of the garage
But i can’t go outside to the garage in my pyjamas

I never did get the washing up done, i made the bed instead.

Do other animals have this sort of problem?

Dere’s a hole in de bucket dear Liza.

>Do other animals have this sort of problem?

I autopilot some, revert to habit, experience and instinct, minus the mediation, or not so much, to get shit done. Fortunately something of necessity knocks on my door, gets an uncompromising tone, force of will emerges