The climate is apparently not getting ‘worse’ because some places, like Canada, will benefit

That’s the view inside Australia’s Department of Environment, which insists it provides “frank and fearless” advice to Federal Government ministers.

Jo Evans, deputy secretary of the department, told a Senate hearing on Monday that whether you used “worse” or “better” to describe climate trends depends on where you were on the globe.

“Some parts of the world — they will find some of those changes working to their advantage, some of them not so much,” she said.

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“Developing countries may offer investment opportunities in new construction and infrastructure projects that are built to hold up under extreme weather events,” it stated.

“Investments can include companies that help refit existing buildings and reinforce energy infrastructure for more resilience.”

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“The Arctic is at the forefront of opportunity and abundance,” he said.

“It houses 13 per cent of the world’s undiscovered oil, 30 per cent of its undiscovered gas, an abundance of uranium, rare earth minerals, gold, diamonds, and millions of square miles of untapped resources, fisheries galore.”

Although sea level rises caused by melting ice caps threaten coastal communities around the world, less ice in the Arctic means more access.

“This could potentially slash the time it takes to travel between Asia and the West by as much as 20 days,” Mr Pompeo said.

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A freedom of information disclosure from the Department of Defence last year stated the increased potential for conflict could lead to “an increase in the demand for a wide spectrum of Defence and Government responses”.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-21/department-of-environment-says-some-benefit-climate-change/11622230

Phew

sarahs mum said:

The climate is apparently not getting ‘worse’ because some places, like Canada, will benefit

That’s the view inside Australia’s Department of Environment, which insists it provides “frank and fearless” advice to Federal Government ministers.

Jo Evans, deputy secretary of the department, told a Senate hearing on Monday that whether you used “worse” or “better” to describe climate trends depends on where you were on the globe.

“Some parts of the world — they will find some of those changes working to their advantage, some of them not so much,” she said.

——

“Developing countries may offer investment opportunities in new construction and infrastructure projects that are built to hold up under extreme weather events,” it stated.

“Investments can include companies that help refit existing buildings and reinforce energy infrastructure for more resilience.”

——

“The Arctic is at the forefront of opportunity and abundance,” he said.

“It houses 13 per cent of the world’s undiscovered oil, 30 per cent of its undiscovered gas, an abundance of uranium, rare earth minerals, gold, diamonds, and millions of square miles of untapped resources, fisheries galore.”

Although sea level rises caused by melting ice caps threaten coastal communities around the world, less ice in the Arctic means more access.

“This could potentially slash the time it takes to travel between Asia and the West by as much as 20 days,” Mr Pompeo said.

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A freedom of information disclosure from the Department of Defence last year stated the increased potential for conflict could lead to “an increase in the demand for a wide spectrum of Defence and Government responses”.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-21/department-of-environment-says-some-benefit-climate-change/11622230

Keep the people calm and content and what ever you do, don’t alarm them.

OK. Only supposedly “frank and fearless” then.

sigh

sarahs mum said:

The climate is apparently not getting ‘worse’ because some places, like Canada, will benefit

That’s the view inside Australia’s Department of Environment, which insists it provides “frank and fearless” advice to Federal Government ministers.

Jo Evans, deputy secretary of the department, told a Senate hearing on Monday that whether you used “worse” or “better” to describe climate trends depends on where you were on the globe.

“Some parts of the world — they will find some of those changes working to their advantage, some of them not so much,” she said.

——

“Developing countries may offer investment opportunities in new construction and infrastructure projects that are built to hold up under extreme weather events,” it stated.

“Investments can include companies that help refit existing buildings and reinforce energy infrastructure for more resilience.”

——

“The Arctic is at the forefront of opportunity and abundance,” he said.

“It houses 13 per cent of the world’s undiscovered oil, 30 per cent of its undiscovered gas, an abundance of uranium, rare earth minerals, gold, diamonds, and millions of square miles of untapped resources, fisheries galore.”

Although sea level rises caused by melting ice caps threaten coastal communities around the world, less ice in the Arctic means more access.

“This could potentially slash the time it takes to travel between Asia and the West by as much as 20 days,” Mr Pompeo said.

—-

A freedom of information disclosure from the Department of Defence last year stated the increased potential for conflict could lead to “an increase in the demand for a wide spectrum of Defence and Government responses”.

——

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-21/department-of-environment-says-some-benefit-climate-change/11622230

Thank goodness. Someone has brains.

There is some benefit to climate change, as you will see if you read the IPCC reports 1, 2 and 3. A benefit that was ruthlesslessly expunged from later IPCC reports (different lead author).

mollwollfumble said:

Thank goodness. Someone has brains.

Yes, I’m grateful to sarahs mum for having the brains to find good articles, for sharing them, and making insightful comments.

A more unstable climate is going to lead to a more unstable world in so many ways. Access to more stuff to dig up will be of benefit to a few, and will be vastly overshadowed by the ramifications of food insecurity from shifting weather patterns and the cost of damage to property and the environment caused by storms, drought etc.

ruby said:

mollwollfumble said:

Thank goodness. Someone has brains.

Yes, I’m grateful to sarahs mum for having the brains to find good articles, for sharing them, and making insightful comments.

A more unstable climate is going to lead to a more unstable world in so many ways. Access to more stuff to dig up will be of benefit to a few, and will be vastly overshadowed by the ramifications of food insecurity from shifting weather patterns and the cost of damage to property and the environment caused by storms, drought etc.

But even if we lose half the world’s population it will be economically good for those who survive. Like the middle class that rose after the plague. And even if we all succumb… we will be in the loving hands of the almighty. All good. Carry on.

I guess there’s the weather (related climate)

and there’s the other weather, the climate of individual and group sentiments, in-large-part requiring optimism, that transforms the forecast catastrophes of some into vicissitudes

transition said:

I guess there’s the weather (related climate)

and there’s the other weather, the climate of individual and group sentiments, in-large-part requiring optimism, that transforms the forecast catastrophes of some into vicissitudes

traditionally people talk about the weather, for, among other reasons, so as not to bother others with their worries (if they have any), so it (the subject of climate change) bangs into that badly

climate change is a gift to those that deny overpopulation, the overpopulation denialists

transition said:

transition said:

I guess there’s the weather (related climate)

and there’s the other weather, the climate of individual and group sentiments, in-large-part requiring optimism, that transforms the forecast catastrophes of some into vicissitudes

traditionally people talk about the weather, for, among other reasons, so as not to bother others with their worries (if they have any), so it (the subject of climate change) bangs into that badly

climate change is a gift to those that deny overpopulation, the overpopulation denialists

I bet that for every one hard climate change denialist there are more than ten million soft overpopulation denialists

ruby said:

mollwollfumble said:

Thank goodness. Someone has brains.

Yes, I’m grateful to sarahs mum for having the brains to find good articles, for sharing them, and making insightful comments.

A more unstable climate is going to lead to a more unstable world in so many ways. Access to more stuff to dig up will be of benefit to a few, and will be vastly overshadowed by the ramifications of food insecurity from shifting weather patterns and the cost of damage to property and the environment caused by storms, drought etc.

Nobody says the climate will be more unstable.

Without reading the entire article

does it mention that Russia will also benefit from the warming
and the opening up of the Arctic for their shipping lanes?

In case you hadn’t looked into it; they’re actively ENCOURAGING
the warming trend without regard to the consequences elsewhere
(and ((no surprise)) they’re not nearly as benign about it as Canada)

anyway, they’re both overlooking soil depth and composition..so THERE :-p

mollwollfumble said:

ruby said:

mollwollfumble said:

Thank goodness. Someone has brains.

Yes, I’m grateful to sarahs mum for having the brains to find good articles, for sharing them, and making insightful comments.

A more unstable climate is going to lead to a more unstable world in so many ways. Access to more stuff to dig up will be of benefit to a few, and will be vastly overshadowed by the ramifications of food insecurity from shifting weather patterns and the cost of damage to property and the environment caused by storms, drought etc.

Nobody says the climate will be more unstable.

could be wobblier, though

Ogmog said:

Without reading the entire article

does it mention that Russia will also benefit from the warming
and the opening up of the Arctic for their shipping lanes?

In case you hadn’t looked into it; they’re actively ENCOURAGING
the warming trend without regard to the consequences elsewhere
(and ((no surprise)) they’re not nearly as benign about it as Canada)

anyway, they’re both overlooking soil depth and composition..so THERE :-p

What if some ancient deadly disease defrosts in Siberia and kills many of them.

mollwollfumble said:

ruby said:

mollwollfumble said:

Thank goodness. Someone has brains.

Yes, I’m grateful to sarahs mum for having the brains to find good articles, for sharing them, and making insightful comments.

A more unstable climate is going to lead to a more unstable world in so many ways. Access to more stuff to dig up will be of benefit to a few, and will be vastly overshadowed by the ramifications of food insecurity from shifting weather patterns and the cost of damage to property and the environment caused by storms, drought etc.

Nobody says the climate will be more unstable.

What then do you call temperature extremes, coupled with severe drought, flood, intense storms, etc., etc. making a climate unstable? We are talking about GLOBAL WARMING, not just around the equator. You need to produce food amongst other survival things and an unstable climate will make that much more difficult, so sorry there will be no long term refuge and every environment will have its extremes. Currently the North Pole has the greatest temperature increase than any other place on Earth.

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

ruby said:

Yes, I’m grateful to sarahs mum for having the brains to find good articles, for sharing them, and making insightful comments.

A more unstable climate is going to lead to a more unstable world in so many ways. Access to more stuff to dig up will be of benefit to a few, and will be vastly overshadowed by the ramifications of food insecurity from shifting weather patterns and the cost of damage to property and the environment caused by storms, drought etc.

Nobody says the climate will be more unstable.

What then do you call temperature extremes, coupled with severe drought, flood, intense storms, etc., etc. making a climate unstable? We are talking about GLOBAL WARMING, not just around the equator. You need to produce food amongst other survival things and an unstable climate will make that much more difficult, so sorry there will be no long term refuge and every environment will have its extremes. Currently the North Pole has the greatest temperature increase than any other place on Earth.

All at the time in our history where we have the greatest number of mouths to feed.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

Nobody says the climate will be more unstable.

What then do you call temperature extremes, coupled with severe drought, flood, intense storms, etc., etc. making a climate unstable? We are talking about GLOBAL WARMING, not just around the equator. You need to produce food amongst other survival things and an unstable climate will make that much more difficult, so sorry there will be no long term refuge and every environment will have its extremes. Currently the North Pole has the greatest temperature increase than any other place on Earth.

All at the time in our history where we have the greatest number of mouths to feed.

Many of whom want the lifestyles we enjoy

mollwollfumble said:

Nobody says the climate will be more unstable.

That’s false. The recent IPCC reports indicate multiple potential causes of future climate instability, including the “clathrate bomb”, the “compost bomb”, and amplification of the El Nino/La Nina cycle.

dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

Nobody says the climate will be more unstable.

That’s false. The recent IPCC reports indicate multiple potential causes of future climate instability, including the “clathrate bomb”, the “compost bomb”, and amplification of the El Nino/La Nina cycle.

Indian Ocean Dipole reading hits new high
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/the-culprit-behind-east-australia-s-big-dry-20191018-p53208.html

who cares, we won’t starve

SCIENCE said:

who cares, we won’t starve

Yar, there’s always Soylant Green

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

Nobody says the climate will be more unstable.

What then do you call temperature extremes, coupled with severe drought, flood, intense storms, etc., etc. making a climate unstable? We are talking about GLOBAL WARMING, not just around the equator. You need to produce food amongst other survival things and an unstable climate will make that much more difficult, so sorry there will be no long term refuge and every environment will have its extremes. Currently the North Pole has the greatest temperature increase than any other place on Earth.

All at the time in our history where we have the greatest number of mouths to feed.

As far as the Arctic temperature changing at a greater rate than anywhere else;
you have to take into account that the Arctic “PERMAFROST” parenthesis
indicating that up-until recently, it was assumed to be PERMANENT
is a billion year cache of slowly decomposing tundra moss & grass
SEQUESTERED Methane Hydrate now being released into
the atmosphere.

We’re already getting indications of what the result of warming on
oceanic acidification on coral/plankton/krill = fish population
Insects are far more sensitive/effected by temperature
so there go not only the pollinators and beneficially
but also (again) the base of the food web
Farmers already understand the 1 or 2 degrees difference
in Degree Days (chill-hours) that prevent bud/fruit set…

so yeah, roughie, we’re basically fukkt

SCIENCE said:

who cares, we won’t starve

That’s where you are wrong mate.