I haven’t ever tried to key it and haven’t met anyone who knew a name for it but it has had claim to a large part of my yard for about forty years. I’m sure it came on the roots of a tree I planted. It seems to have roots more than a metre down which can’t be dug because they break easily and simply spread. I’ve sifted soil a metre and a half deep yet the bloody thing is still there. I mostly manage it by using other plants to compete.

Is it presently in flower, ie Spring flowering?

Have you a close up on the flower, including an aged flower (turning to seed)?

First guess… a sea kale of some sort? Crambe?

(I’m just looking at pictures for something similar)

I take it that it’s a perennial?

Next guess – Cardaria/Lepidium draba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidium_draba

buffy said:

First guess… a sea kale of some sort? Crambe?

(I’m just looking at pictures for something similar)

my go to lady on perennials thought ..maybe Crambe cordifolia.

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

First guess… a sea kale of some sort? Crambe?

(I’m just looking at pictures for something similar)

my go to lady on perennials thought ..maybe Crambe cordifolia.

leaf looks wrong.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

First guess… a sea kale of some sort? Crambe?

(I’m just looking at pictures for something similar)

my go to lady on perennials thought ..maybe Crambe cordifolia.

leaf looks wrong.

Yes, that’s why I kept looking.

:)

buffy said:

Is it presently in flower, ie Spring flowering?

Yes. Flowering now.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Is it presently in flower, ie Spring flowering?

Yes. Flowering now.

Need a close up rb.

PermeateFree said:

Have you a close up on the flower, including an aged flower (turning to seed)?

Not the best day for that as it is very windy and getting late in the day for light. I can try again in the morning but here.
They are carpet beetles in there the flowers can’t be more than 4 or 5mm across fully open.
Yes it is perennial.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Have you a close up on the flower, including an aged flower (turning to seed)?

Not the best day for that as it is very windy and getting late in the day for light. I can try again in the morning but here.
They are carpet beetles in there the flowers can’t be more than 4 or 5mm across fully open.
Yes it is perennial.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Have you a close up on the flower, including an aged flower (turning to seed)?

Not the best day for that as it is very windy and getting late in the day for light. I can try again in the morning but here.
They are carpet beetles in there the flowers can’t be more than 4 or 5mm across fully open.
Yes it is perennial.

I’m pretty sure it is a Platysace. P. lanceolata which is highly variable regarding leaf-shape.

>>Leaf size varies greatly, and leaf shape also to a lesser extent over most of the distribution of this species. The inflorescence may be compact or open also. This taxon warrants further investigation. Hybridizes with P. stephensonii. <<

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Platysace~lanceolata

Do you think it is a native? I went straight for the weed book when roughbarked described the likely provenance as being in a pot with a tree he planted.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Not the best day for that as it is very windy and getting late in the day for light. I can try again in the morning but here.
They are carpet beetles in there the flowers can’t be more than 4 or 5mm across fully open.
Yes it is perennial.

I’m pretty sure it is a Platysace. P. lanceolata which is highly variable regarding leaf-shape.

>>Leaf size varies greatly, and leaf shape also to a lesser extent over most of the distribution of this species. The inflorescence may be compact or open also. This taxon warrants further investigation. Hybridizes with P. stephensonii. <<

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Platysace~lanceolata

It may be a perennial but it is not woody.

buffy said:

Do you think it is a native? I went straight for the weed book when roughbarked described the likely provenance as being in a pot with a tree he planted.

I doubt it is native. It came as a few strands of root on a bare rooted tree.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

I’m pretty sure it is a Platysace. P. lanceolata which is highly variable regarding leaf-shape.

>>Leaf size varies greatly, and leaf shape also to a lesser extent over most of the distribution of this species. The inflorescence may be compact or open also. This taxon warrants further investigation. Hybridizes with P. stephensonii. <<

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Platysace~lanceolata

It may be a perennial but it is not woody.

Looks like an orchid.

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

I’m pretty sure it is a Platysace. P. lanceolata which is highly variable regarding leaf-shape.

>>Leaf size varies greatly, and leaf shape also to a lesser extent over most of the distribution of this species. The inflorescence may be compact or open also. This taxon warrants further investigation. Hybridizes with P. stephensonii. <<

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Platysace~lanceolata

It may be a perennial but it is not woody.

Looks like an orchid.

No it doesn’t.

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

It may be a perennial but it is not woody.

Looks like an orchid.

No it doesn’t.

Yeah. From the matchbox size comparison the flower arrangement is far too small.

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

It may be a perennial but it is not woody.

Looks like an orchid.

No it doesn’t.

C’mon…if you squint your eyes till they are nearly closed it does….

Buffy’s ID of Lepidium draba might be good, the flowers look a bit brassica-ish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidium_draba

ruby said:

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Looks like an orchid.

No it doesn’t.

C’mon…if you squint your eyes till they are nearly closed it does….

Nup, not even then.

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Michael V said:

No it doesn’t.

C’mon…if you squint your eyes till they are nearly closed it does….

Nup, not even then.

Tough crowd… :-)

roughbarked said:

Definitely Apiace, of which Platysace is the only shrubby group of plants. Any woodiness will be at the base of the plant. Anyway you have the family now to investigate further.

Looked up Apiaceae flowers, they have bracteoles, 5 petals…..some of the flowers look like they have 4 or 5 petals, but no bracteoles. Still going with brassicaceae of some sort.

ruby said:

Looked up Apiaceae flowers, they have bracteoles, 5 petals…..some of the flowers look like they have 4 or 5 petals, but no bracteoles. Still going with brassicaceae of some sort.

If you check the photo with the Redheads Box of Matches, in the centre and near the top a spent flower can be seen with a developing fruit.

roughbarked said:

I haven’t ever tried to key it and haven’t met anyone who knew a name for it but it has had claim to a large part of my yard for about forty years. I’m sure it came on the roots of a tree I planted. It seems to have roots more than a metre down which can’t be dug because they break easily and simply spread. I’ve sifted soil a metre and a half deep yet the bloody thing is still there. I mostly manage it by using other plants to compete.

Ruby was right.

Lepidium draba, the whitetop or hoary cress, or Thanet cress is a rhizomatous perennial flowering plant in the cabbage family Brassicaceae. It is native to western Asia and southeastern Europe and widely introduced elsewhere.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

I haven’t ever tried to key it and haven’t met anyone who knew a name for it but it has had claim to a large part of my yard for about forty years. I’m sure it came on the roots of a tree I planted. It seems to have roots more than a metre down which can’t be dug because they break easily and simply spread. I’ve sifted soil a metre and a half deep yet the bloody thing is still there. I mostly manage it by using other plants to compete.

Ruby was right.

Lepidium draba, the whitetop or hoary cress, or Thanet cress is a rhizomatous perennial flowering plant in the cabbage family Brassicaceae. It is native to western Asia and southeastern Europe and widely introduced elsewhere.

don’t have milky sap?

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

I haven’t ever tried to key it and haven’t met anyone who knew a name for it but it has had claim to a large part of my yard for about forty years. I’m sure it came on the roots of a tree I planted. It seems to have roots more than a metre down which can’t be dug because they break easily and simply spread. I’ve sifted soil a metre and a half deep yet the bloody thing is still there. I mostly manage it by using other plants to compete.

Ruby was right.

Lepidium draba, the whitetop or hoary cress, or Thanet cress is a rhizomatous perennial flowering plant in the cabbage family Brassicaceae. It is native to western Asia and southeastern Europe and widely introduced elsewhere.

don’t have milky sap?

No milky sap.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

I haven’t ever tried to key it and haven’t met anyone who knew a name for it but it has had claim to a large part of my yard for about forty years. I’m sure it came on the roots of a tree I planted. It seems to have roots more than a metre down which can’t be dug because they break easily and simply spread. I’ve sifted soil a metre and a half deep yet the bloody thing is still there. I mostly manage it by using other plants to compete.

Ruby was right.

Lepidium draba, the whitetop or hoary cress, or Thanet cress is a rhizomatous perennial flowering plant in the cabbage family Brassicaceae. It is native to western Asia and southeastern Europe and widely introduced elsewhere.

Buffy was right. I had a look and agreed. Your suggestion of Apiaceae caused me to learn a bit more about them too. Aren’t plants fun!

ruby said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

I haven’t ever tried to key it and haven’t met anyone who knew a name for it but it has had claim to a large part of my yard for about forty years. I’m sure it came on the roots of a tree I planted. It seems to have roots more than a metre down which can’t be dug because they break easily and simply spread. I’ve sifted soil a metre and a half deep yet the bloody thing is still there. I mostly manage it by using other plants to compete.

Ruby was right.

Lepidium draba, the whitetop or hoary cress, or Thanet cress is a rhizomatous perennial flowering plant in the cabbage family Brassicaceae. It is native to western Asia and southeastern Europe and widely introduced elsewhere.

Buffy was right. I had a look and agreed. Your suggestion of Apiaceae caused me to learn a bit more about them too. Aren’t plants fun!

Experience tells me to always check the weeds book first (well, if the plant is in a cultivated area, anyway). I love my copy of Auld and Medd “Weeds. An illustrated botanical guide to the weeds of Australia”

And yet again I forgot to log Mr buffy out and me in. He did tell me he’d been logged in last night after I went to bed…

kryten said:

ruby said:

PermeateFree said:

Ruby was right.

Lepidium draba, the whitetop or hoary cress, or Thanet cress is a rhizomatous perennial flowering plant in the cabbage family Brassicaceae. It is native to western Asia and southeastern Europe and widely introduced elsewhere.

Buffy was right. I had a look and agreed. Your suggestion of Apiaceae caused me to learn a bit more about them too. Aren’t plants fun!

Experience tells me to always check the weeds book first (well, if the plant is in a cultivated area, anyway). I love my copy of Auld and Medd “Weeds. An illustrated botanical guide to the weeds of Australia”

I’ll have to look for a copy of that book. Thanks Buffy and to all. Yes. Like Ruby, I learned a little bit more about Apiaceae.

I suppose the next question is that being called cress, is it edible?
From the .pdf available on the wiki page, the word edible occurs once only:
Guil J L, Torija M E, Giménez J J, Rodríguez-Garcia I, Giménez A (1996). Oxalic acid and calcium determination in wild edible plants. Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry 44 (7), 1821-1823.

roughbarked said:

I suppose the next question is that being called cress, is it edible?
From the .pdf available on the wiki page, the word edible occurs once only:
Guil J L, Torija M E, Giménez J J, Rodríguez-Garcia I, Giménez A (1996). Oxalic acid and calcium determination in wild edible plants. Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry 44 (7), 1821-1823.

Also from text within the .pdf;
“Sheep are reported to graze it, especially when plants are young (Scurfield, 1962). When eaten by cattle it can taint dairy products. Analysis has shown that it contains moderate levels of calcium and no oxalic acid (Guil et al., 1996)”.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

I suppose the next question is that being called cress, is it edible?
From the .pdf available on the wiki page, the word edible occurs once only:
Guil J L, Torija M E, Giménez J J, Rodríguez-Garcia I, Giménez A (1996). Oxalic acid and calcium determination in wild edible plants. Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry 44 (7), 1821-1823.

Also from text within the .pdf;
“Sheep are reported to graze it, especially when plants are young (Scurfield, 1962). When eaten by cattle it can taint dairy products. Analysis has shown that it contains moderate levels of calcium and no oxalic acid (Guil et al., 1996)”.

It’s like wild mustard & chooks. They love it but the eggs are inedible.

Any of youse recognise this plant?

Because this dog loves it. Rolling around on it and biting it and such.

dv said:

Any of youse recognise this plant?

Because this dog loves it. Rolling around on it and biting it and such.

Does it have a smell?

buffy said:

dv said:

Any of youse recognise this plant?

Because this dog loves it. Rolling around on it and biting it and such.

Does it have a smell?

Probably dog now.

buffy said:

dv said:

Any of youse recognise this plant?

Because this dog loves it. Rolling around on it and biting it and such.

Does it have a smell?

Yeah, pungent

dv said:

Any of youse recognise this plant?

Because this dog loves it. Rolling around on it and biting it and such.

Poison ivy. Got the vet’s phone number on speed dial?

dv said:

Any of youse recognise this plant?

Because this dog loves it. Rolling around on it and biting it and such.

might be belladonna.

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

Any of youse recognise this plant?

Because this dog loves it. Rolling around on it and biting it and such.

might be belladonna.

though that’d make the dog a druggie I guess…

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

Any of youse recognise this plant?

Because this dog loves it. Rolling around on it and biting it and such.

might be belladonna.

though that’d make the dog a druggie I guess…

could be the aussie version solanum nigrum.

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

might be belladonna.

though that’d make the dog a druggie I guess…

could be the aussie version solanum nigrum.

It does look a bit like black nightshade (S. nigrum). But it’s a bit difficult to tell when it’s all squashed up.

buffy said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

though that’d make the dog a druggie I guess…

could be the aussie version solanum nigrum.

It does look a bit like black nightshade (S. nigrum). But it’s a bit difficult to tell when it’s all squashed up.

That’s what I would put my money on.

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

Bogsnorkler said:

could be the aussie version solanum nigrum.

It does look a bit like black nightshade (S. nigrum). But it’s a bit difficult to tell when it’s all squashed up.

That’s what I would put my money on.

i only recognise it cos it is a common weed in my yard.

kii said:

dv said:

Any of youse recognise this plant?

Because this dog loves it. Rolling around on it and biting it and such.

Poison ivy. Got the vet’s phone number on speed dial?

I think if dogs were as fragile as you mfs seem to think they’d be extinct.

buffy said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

though that’d make the dog a druggie I guess…

could be the aussie version solanum nigrum.

It does look a bit like black nightshade (S. nigrum). But it’s a bit difficult to tell when it’s all squashed up.

Yeah sorry, he chewed it up

dv said:

kii said:

dv said:

Any of youse recognise this plant?

Because this dog loves it. Rolling around on it and biting it and such.

Poison ivy. Got the vet’s phone number on speed dial?

I think if dogs were as fragile as you mfs seem to think they’d be extinct.

Dogs are about the same level of intelligence as a 2 year old child.

Bogsnorkler said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

It does look a bit like black nightshade (S. nigrum). But it’s a bit difficult to tell when it’s all squashed up.

That’s what I would put my money on.

i only recognise it cos it is a common weed in my yard.

Common everywhere.

dv said:

Any of youse recognise this plant?

Because this dog loves it. Rolling around on it and biting it and such.

Well that’s interesting.

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

PermeateFree said:

That’s what I would put my money on.

i only recognise it cos it is a common weed in my yard.

Common everywhere.

never saw it in the middle of the tanami!!!!

dv said:

kii said:

dv said:

Any of youse recognise this plant?

Because this dog loves it. Rolling around on it and biting it and such.

Poison ivy. Got the vet’s phone number on speed dial?

I think if dogs were as fragile as you mfs seem to think they’d be extinct.

That be true howeer, when the berries are full black and ripe, they are edible. It is only before they reach that point that they are toxic.

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

i only recognise it cos it is a common weed in my yard.

Common everywhere.

never saw it in the middle of the tanami!!!!

Everywhere theere is enough water for it. Common in gardens and farmland.

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Common everywhere.

never saw it in the middle of the tanami!!!!

Everywhere theere is enough water for it. Common in gardens and farmland.

It isn’t actually a native.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

never saw it in the middle of the tanami!!!!

Everywhere theere is enough water for it. Common in gardens and farmland.

It isn’t actually a native.

Distribution and occurrence: Widespread, especially near habitations or in horticultural crops; cosmopolitan weed. Native of Eur.
NSW subdivisions: *NC, *CC, *SC, *NT, *CT, *ST, *NWS, *CWS, *SWS, *NWP, *SWP, *NFWP, *SFWP, *LHI
Other Australian states: *Qld *Vic. *Tas. *W.A. *S.A. *N.T.
AVH map***

Text by B. J. Conn
Taxon concept: Flora of NSW 3 (1992)

kii said:

dv said:

kii said:

Poison ivy. Got the vet’s phone number on speed dial?

I think if dogs were as fragile as you mfs seem to think they’d be extinct.

Dogs are about the same level of intelligence as a 2 year old child.

I didn’t see a 2 yr old child find the drugs in the airport.

Arts said:

kii said:

dv said:

I think if dogs were as fragile as you mfs seem to think they’d be extinct.

Dogs are about the same level of intelligence as a 2 year old child.

I didn’t see a 2 yr old child find the drugs in the airport.

well, the do gooders won’t allow child labour.

Arts said:

kii said:

dv said:

I think if dogs were as fragile as you mfs seem to think they’d be extinct.

Dogs are about the same level of intelligence as a 2 year old child.

I didn’t see a 2 yr old child find the drugs in the airport.

I always take my stash of devil’s breath through the airport to see what it does to the sniffer dogs

Arts said:

kii said:

dv said:

I think if dogs were as fragile as you mfs seem to think they’d be extinct.

Dogs are about the same level of intelligence as a 2 year old child.

I didn’t see a 2 yr old child find the drugs in the airport.

They can be trained to do that. The little rugrats can even open child-proof caps.

kii said:

Arts said:

kii said:

Dogs are about the same level of intelligence as a 2 year old child.

I didn’t see a 2 yr old child find the drugs in the airport.

They can be trained to do that. The little rugrats can even open child-proof caps.

Yes but they don’t have a dog’s sense of smell.