Ding dong!
Hoping palliative care people were on holidays for his last hours.
apparently they took him back to the prison for his last hours/days.
Every death is a funeral.
Not that I think he understood that.
gaghalfrunt said:
Ding dong!
Hoping palliative care people were on holidays for his last hours.
We’re a better society than that.
Peak Warming Man said:
gaghalfrunt said:
Ding dong!
Hoping palliative care people were on holidays for his last hours.
We’re a better society than that.
I thought so too, but have discovered all of a sudden that I’m prepared to make exceptions.
What a particularly nasty piece of work he was, with his taunting grinning during his trial. Mr Speedy and I happened to be at Hyde Park on the day he was in court, and actually saw the media and the commotion outside.
I am glad he is gone already, and surprised he survived in gaol as long as he did, especially with the comment the NSW Corrections Minister made today about him rotting in hell.
Speedy said:
What a particularly nasty piece of work he was, with his taunting grinning during his trial. Mr Speedy and I happened to be at Hyde Park on the day he was in court, and actually saw the media and the commotion outside.I am glad he is gone already, and surprised he survived in gaol as long as he did, especially with the comment the NSW Corrections Minister made today about him rotting in hell.
Why is he hated so much more than other serial killers?
Tamb said:
Speedy said:
What a particularly nasty piece of work he was, with his taunting grinning during his trial. Mr Speedy and I happened to be at Hyde Park on the day he was in court, and actually saw the media and the commotion outside.I am glad he is gone already, and surprised he survived in gaol as long as he did, especially with the comment the NSW Corrections Minister made today about him rotting in hell.
Why is he hated so much more than other serial killers?
Probably because his crimes were so heinous and the fact that he had never shown any remorse or revealed the whereabouts of other victims remains thus torturing their families forever. (And he is a home grown aussie product)
gaghalfrunt said:
Tamb said:
Speedy said:
What a particularly nasty piece of work he was, with his taunting grinning during his trial. Mr Speedy and I happened to be at Hyde Park on the day he was in court, and actually saw the media and the commotion outside.I am glad he is gone already, and surprised he survived in gaol as long as he did, especially with the comment the NSW Corrections Minister made today about him rotting in hell.
Why is he hated so much more than other serial killers?
Probably because his crimes were so heinous and the fact that he had never shown any remorse or revealed the whereabouts of other victims remains thus torturing their families forever. (And he is a home grown aussie product)
Tamb said:
gaghalfrunt said:
Tamb said:Why is he hated so much more than other serial killers?
Probably because his crimes were so heinous and the fact that he had never shown any remorse or revealed the whereabouts of other victims remains thus torturing their families forever. (And he is a home grown aussie product)
Yes, the remorse thing is probably it.
It is.
Also, when I was younger I used to go with my family to Belanglo regularly. The place has a stigma now which it never deserved.
Speedy said:
Tamb said:
gaghalfrunt said:Probably because his crimes were so heinous and the fact that he had never shown any remorse or revealed the whereabouts of other victims remains thus torturing their families forever. (And he is a home grown aussie product)
Yes, the remorse thing is probably it.It is.
Also, when I was younger I used to go with my family to Belanglo regularly. The place has a stigma now which it never deserved.
This bloke was mz Tamb’s next door neighbour.
ON THIS DAY – December 17, 1965
Keith Ryrie was charged in the Melbourne City Court with having murdered Maureen Patricia Ferrari, 18, at Holmesglen. Ryrie was charged in the City Court also for having murdered Rhonda Margaret Irwin, 5, at Burnley the week before.
His papers were marked “Never to be released”
Speedy said:
Tamb said:
gaghalfrunt said:Probably because his crimes were so heinous and the fact that he had never shown any remorse or revealed the whereabouts of other victims remains thus torturing their families forever. (And he is a home grown aussie product)
Yes, the remorse thing is probably it.It is.
Also, when I was younger I used to go with my family to Belanglo regularly. The place has a stigma now which it never deserved.
People forget which is why Port Arthur is still a good tourist place.
My niece decided to get married there (I had reservations) but I went down for the wedding, it turned out great and the massacre was never mentioned.
Peak Warming Man said:
Speedy said:
Tamb said:Yes, the remorse thing is probably it.
It is.
Also, when I was younger I used to go with my family to Belanglo regularly. The place has a stigma now which it never deserved.
People forget which is why Port Arthur is still a good tourist place.
My niece decided to get married there (I had reservations) but I went down for the wedding, it turned out great and the massacre was never mentioned.
I don’t want to go there again.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/24/teenage-girl-among-20-extinction-rebellion-activists-strip-searched-by-brisbane-police
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/24/teenage-girl-among-20-extinction-rebellion-activists-strip-searched-by-brisbane-police
I know the wallopers are evil, but Ivan Milat evil?
I am indifferent to the passing of Ivan Milat.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/24/teenage-girl-among-20-extinction-rebellion-activists-strip-searched-by-brisbane-police
:(
It’s getting worse.
dv said:
It ain’t ‘arf ‘ot Mum.
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Speedy said:It is.
Also, when I was younger I used to go with my family to Belanglo regularly. The place has a stigma now which it never deserved.
People forget which is why Port Arthur is still a good tourist place.
My niece decided to get married there (I had reservations) but I went down for the wedding, it turned out great and the massacre was never mentioned.
I don’t want to go there again.
I think the memorial is beautiful and tastefully done.. and out of the way enough to be avoidable if you wanted to
I read this morning that his body will be taken to the Coroner, because the Coroner investigates all deaths in custody. Everyone knows Milat died from cancer, why waste resources on using Coronial services?
Divine Angel said:
I read this morning that his body will be taken to the Coroner, because the Coroner investigates all deaths in custody. Everyone knows Milat died from cancer, why waste resources on using Coronial services?
How do we know he died from cancer rather than being poisoned while in care?
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
I read this morning that his body will be taken to the Coroner, because the Coroner investigates all deaths in custody. Everyone knows Milat died from cancer, why waste resources on using Coronial services?
How do we know he died from cancer rather than being poisoned while in care?
Tough shit if he was. No sympathy, and it should have happened sooner.
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
I read this morning that his body will be taken to the Coroner, because the Coroner investigates all deaths in custody. Everyone knows Milat died from cancer, why waste resources on using Coronial services?
How do we know he died from cancer rather than being poisoned while in care?
Tough shit if he was. No sympathy, and it should have happened sooner.
I don’t think coronial investigations are primarily about sympathy
I meant, no sympathy from me.
gaghalfrunt said:
Ding dong!
Hoping palliative care people were on holidays for his last hours.
You know shit is real when palliative care introduce themselves.
And yeah, Ivan should have had treatment, it’s a slippery slope, you start condoning denial of medical treatment soon you are condoning denial of food…
AwesomeO said:
And yeah, Ivan should have had treatment, it’s a slippery slope, you start condoning denial of medical treatment soon you are condoning denial of food…
I don’t think there is any suggestion that he didn’t have or wasn’t offered treatment.
buffy said:
AwesomeO said:
And yeah, Ivan should have had treatment, it’s a slippery slope, you start condoning denial of medical treatment soon you are condoning denial of food…
I don’t think there is any suggestion that he didn’t have or wasn’t offered treatment.
I was talking about some of the sentiments above. I agree he would have had decent care.
Divine Angel said:
I read this morning that his body will be taken to the Coroner, because the Coroner investigates all deaths in custody. Everyone knows Milat died from cancer, why waste resources on using Coronial services?
Hopefully they can garner some knowledge from his brain… I’d like to see it.
Arts said:
Divine Angel said:
I read this morning that his body will be taken to the Coroner, because the Coroner investigates all deaths in custody. Everyone knows Milat died from cancer, why waste resources on using Coronial services?
Hopefully they can garner some knowledge from his brain… I’d like to see it.
Call in the phrenologists!
;)
Tamb said:
Speedy said:
What a particularly nasty piece of work he was, with his taunting grinning during his trial. Mr Speedy and I happened to be at Hyde Park on the day he was in court, and actually saw the media and the commotion outside.I am glad he is gone already, and surprised he survived in gaol as long as he did, especially with the comment the NSW Corrections Minister made today about him rotting in hell.
Why is he hated so much more than other serial killers?
Oh, that Ivan. As you were.
Speedy said:
Tamb said:
gaghalfrunt said:Probably because his crimes were so heinous and the fact that he had never shown any remorse or revealed the whereabouts of other victims remains thus torturing their families forever. (And he is a home grown aussie product)
Yes, the remorse thing is probably it.It is.
Also, when I was younger I used to go with my family to Belanglo regularly. The place has a stigma now which it never deserved.
Belangalo. For four days the cops thought me son and I were needed to help them with their inquiries about that. We had stopped at the place where my grandparents had a farm just south of Tallong. The place was for sale so I figured no one would mind if I showed my son where his great grandparents lived. Some crazy in a P76 ute came flying up from down the paddock with a shotgun bouncing on the back window shelf. Screaming aabbuse at us. I realised that it was because we had stepped over a klow electric fence because as we stepped back over it, he changd direction and went down to take the number of our car. All the while saying that he had contacts in Asio or summat. The next day the police visited mrs rb at work and asked her if these two disreputable characters should be using her car. Four days they asked her to reveal our location because they desperately wanted to interview us about our proximity to Belangalo. It was only after I told mrs rb to tell them to ask the Mayor of Tallong who was my mothers cousin about the incident because I’d reported it to him straight after it had happened.
The cop laughed and said, this will be a good tale at the pub after work and dropped the whole thing.
If we had mind reading technology, I would have had no objections to using to it on him to find the other victims.
Tau.Neutrino said:
If we had mind reading technology, I would have had no objections to using to it on him to find the other victims.
What has gone is gone.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
If we had mind reading technology, I would have had no objections to using to it on him to find the other victims.What has gone is gone.
Its good he is gone.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
If we had mind reading technology, I would have had no objections to using to it on him to find the other victims.What has gone is gone.
Its good he is gone.
What was good, was that he was stopped before he did more of the same.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:What has gone is gone.
Its good he is gone.
What was good, was that he was stopped before he did more of the same.
Yes. I wonder what other negative behaviours he might have been showing before the murders, troll behaviours?, his level of cruelty was extreme.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Its good he is gone.
What was good, was that he was stopped before he did more of the same.
Yes. I wonder what other negative behaviours he might have been showing before the murders, troll behaviours?, his level of cruelty was extreme.
The internet probably came too late to show him up as a troll beforehand.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:What was good, was that he was stopped before he did more of the same.
Yes. I wonder what other negative behaviours he might have been showing before the murders, troll behaviours?, his level of cruelty was extreme.
The internet probably came too late to show him up as a troll beforehand.
I wonder how trolls interact with people off line, how their negative behaviours present themselves.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Yes. I wonder what other negative behaviours he might have been showing before the murders, troll behaviours?, his level of cruelty was extreme.
The internet probably came too late to show him up as a troll beforehand.
I wonder how trolls interact with people off line, how their negative behaviours present themselves.
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:The internet probably came too late to show him up as a troll beforehand.
I wonder how trolls interact with people off line, how their negative behaviours present themselves.
Morning all.
I wonder if trolls actually realise they are trolls.
Mostly (I suspect), they don’t.
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I wonder how trolls interact with people off line, how their negative behaviours present themselves.
Morning all.
I wonder if trolls actually realise they are trolls.Mostly (I suspect), they don’t.
A certain lack of self-consciousness?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-28/ivan-milat-fascination-should-end-here/11644750
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I wonder how trolls interact with people off line, how their negative behaviours present themselves.
Morning all.
I wonder if trolls actually realise they are trolls.Mostly (I suspect), they don’t.
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-28/ivan-milat-fascination-should-end-here/11644750
I agree wholeheartedly. The fact that he didn’t make further statements (either confirming or denying other murders) indicates that he wanted people to continue talking about him, even after his death. I really do not want to be manipulated into talking about him.
For that reason, the only other comment I’ve made in this thread is not about him. Having said this, I won’t contribute further to his quest.
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-28/ivan-milat-fascination-should-end-here/11644750
+1
the amount of publicity and celebrity status being given to this dropkick is depressing.
Dropbear said:
the amount of publicity and celebrity status being given to this dropkick is depressing.
Yes, it should be denied.
No way the cruel pig should get famous as one of his egotistical wishes.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Dropbear said:
the amount of publicity and celebrity status being given to this dropkick is depressing.Yes, it should be denied.
No way the cruel pig should get famous as one of his egotistical wishes.
not denied, just forgotten and marked as unimportant
Dropbear said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Dropbear said:
the amount of publicity and celebrity status being given to this dropkick is depressing.Yes, it should be denied.
No way the cruel pig should get famous as one of his egotistical wishes.
not denied, just forgotten and marked as unimportant
Yes.
He was terrible.
Dropbear said:
the amount of publicity and celebrity status being given to this dropkick is depressing.
Same goes for Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gary, Ed Gein et al.
the only way we can study crime is to study and discuss the criminals and their actions. Look into their motivations and histories and try to find indicators that align with other criminal behaviour. You might want to see it as giving someone attention, but it’s vitally important to be aware of certain actions so we can introduce protective behaviours rather than just say “bad dude, lets ignore him’ and stick our head in the sand waiting to be victimised again.
it’s salacious and wins eyeballs. .that’s the only reason it’s so popularised..
it’s not about understanding it.. and the family of the victims are suffering all over again while the media salivates.
Dropbear said:
it’s salacious and wins eyeballs. .that’s the only reason it’s so popularised..it’s not about understanding it.. and the family of the victims are suffering all over again while the media salivates.
shouldn’t confuse media with the scholarly.
Arts said:
the only way we can study crime is to study and discuss the criminals and their actions. Look into their motivations and histories and try to find indicators that align with other criminal behaviour. You might want to see it as giving someone attention, but it’s vitally important to be aware of certain actions so we can introduce protective behaviours rather than just say “bad dude, lets ignore him’ and stick our head in the sand waiting to be victimised again.
True.
These people present abnormal behaviours so prevention before they act would be a good direction to purse.
Bogsnorkler said:
Dropbear said:
it’s salacious and wins eyeballs. .that’s the only reason it’s so popularised..it’s not about understanding it.. and the family of the victims are suffering all over again while the media salivates.
shouldn’t confuse media with the scholarly.
i was talking about the media.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Arts said:
the only way we can study crime is to study and discuss the criminals and their actions. Look into their motivations and histories and try to find indicators that align with other criminal behaviour. You might want to see it as giving someone attention, but it’s vitally important to be aware of certain actions so we can introduce protective behaviours rather than just say “bad dude, lets ignore him’ and stick our head in the sand waiting to be victimised again.
True.
These people present abnormal behaviours so prevention before they act would be a good direction to purse.
purse = pursue
I need to proofread more before I post.
Bogsnorkler said:
Dropbear said:
it’s salacious and wins eyeballs. .that’s the only reason it’s so popularised..it’s not about understanding it.. and the family of the victims are suffering all over again while the media salivates.
shouldn’t confuse media with the scholarly.
+1 Brazillions
Finding these people is a challenge, if they can be found at a younger age, then there is better hope of rehabilitation of some kind.
Primary school level.
In primary schools, perhaps one way to spot them is monitor troublesome students who are always being put in timeout, maybe trolls behave in certain ways within a group?
This involves child psychology and behaviours.
I’m not a child psychologist.
My thinking is Ivan would have been showing some negative behaviours at a younger age. ?
Maybe even showing cruelty to animals?
The WashPost piss takes have been hilarious this morning …
Dropbear said:
The WashPost piss takes have been hilarious this morning …
Did you see the one about Annie Wilkes? “Literature lover and nurse, dead at 45.”
Divine Angel said:
Dropbear said:
The WashPost piss takes have been hilarious this morning …Did you see the one about Annie Wilkes? “Literature lover and nurse, dead at 45.”
Adolf Hitler, aspiring artist and socialist, dead at 56.
The funniest one was
“Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, austere religious scholar at helm of Islamic State, dies at 48”
wait what
Jeffrey Epstein, financier who provided many opportunities to young people, dies peacefully at 66.
Mohamed Atta, skilled aviator and leader of men, dies at 33
so dark
Mussolini, community service volunteer renown for getting the trains to run on time, dies at 61
Jim Jones, passionate community organizer and religious leader, dead at 47
Dropbear said:
Adolf Hitler, aspiring artist, opera lover, and socialist, dead at 56.
Someone on Twitter wrote “dog lover” buuuuuuut he sacrificed poor Blondi so I can’t add that. He did like opera though, and young ladies with unusual names eg Unity Valkyrie Mitford. I’d never even heard of her til I read a novel called The Beast’s Garden by Kate Forsyth.
Divine Angel said:
Someone on Twitter wrote “dog lover”
well he was a veteran Aryan
Divine Angel said:
Dropbear said:Adolf Hitler, aspiring artist, opera lover, and socialist, dead at 56.
Someone on Twitter wrote “dog lover” buuuuuuut he sacrificed poor Blondi so I can’t add that. He did like opera though, and young ladies with unusual names eg Unity Valkyrie Mitford. I’d never even heard of her til I read a novel called The Beast’s Garden by Kate Forsyth.
Unity Valkyrie Freeman-Mitford is a very cool name …
Catching Milat is trending on Stan.
I dont see the fuss about discussing him and “Giving him the attention he craves”
Th arshole no longer exists so cant enjoy the attention in question.
gaghalfrunt said:
I dont see the fuss about discussing him and “Giving him the attention he craves”
Th arshole no longer exists so cant enjoy the attention in question.
Then reframe it as not wanting to give others the incentive by providing such a path to notoriety
gaghalfrunt said:
I dont see the fuss about discussing him and “Giving him the attention he craves”
Th arshole no longer exists so cant enjoy the attention in question.
That’s a good point.
