Date: 5/11/2019 22:34:35
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1458341
Subject: Obtaining images of spacecraft in space.

I found this intriguing. Excerpt from chapter three, “The Foam Strike”, Bringing Columbia Home by Michael Leinbach and Jonathon Ward.

Would the methods used to procure those images be subject to weaponisation and that’s why they’re classified? Why keep the details of what the images show classified, even after the shuttle has been destroyed and the program abolished? (Earlier in the book, the author states that Columbia was the first shuttle built, so contains bits and pieces not used on the other shuttles.)

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Date: 5/11/2019 22:38:25
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1458342
Subject: re: Obtaining images of spacecraft in space.

Divine Angel said:


I found this intriguing. Excerpt from chapter three, “The Foam Strike”, Bringing Columbia Home by Michael Leinbach and Jonathon Ward.

Would the methods used to procure those images be subject to weaponisation and that’s why they’re classified? Why keep the details of what the images show classified, even after the shuttle has been destroyed and the program abolished? (Earlier in the book, the author states that Columbia was the first shuttle built, so contains bits and pieces not used on the other shuttles.)


I would image it might have something to do with the resolution x the distance. How fine a detail these spy cameras are capable of would be classified.

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Date: 5/11/2019 22:39:35
From: dv
ID: 1458343
Subject: re: Obtaining images of spacecraft in space.

Divine Angel said:


I found this intriguing. Excerpt from chapter three, “The Foam Strike”, Bringing Columbia Home by Michael Leinbach and Jonathon Ward.

Would the methods used to procure those images be subject to weaponisation and that’s why they’re classified? Why keep the details of what the images show classified, even after the shuttle has been destroyed and the program abolished? (Earlier in the book, the author states that Columbia was the first shuttle built, so contains bits and pieces not used on the other shuttles.)


The US, and other countries, keep the capacities of their spy satellites secret for obvious reasons.

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Date: 5/11/2019 22:40:04
From: sibeen
ID: 1458344
Subject: re: Obtaining images of spacecraft in space.

ChrispenEvan said:


Divine Angel said:

I found this intriguing. Excerpt from chapter three, “The Foam Strike”, Bringing Columbia Home by Michael Leinbach and Jonathon Ward.

Would the methods used to procure those images be subject to weaponisation and that’s why they’re classified? Why keep the details of what the images show classified, even after the shuttle has been destroyed and the program abolished? (Earlier in the book, the author states that Columbia was the first shuttle built, so contains bits and pieces not used on the other shuttles.)


I would image it might have something to do with the resolution x the distance. How fine a detail these spy cameras are capable of would be classified.

And the fact that once a piece of information is classified it’s a pain in the arse to have it declassified even if the information is in no way harmful or revealing.

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Date: 5/11/2019 22:42:18
From: party_pants
ID: 1458347
Subject: re: Obtaining images of spacecraft in space.

Yeah but,

whatever they had in 1981 must be just about possibly on the verge of obsolescence by now.

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Date: 5/11/2019 22:42:48
From: dv
ID: 1458348
Subject: re: Obtaining images of spacecraft in space.

Of course that kind of secrecy isn’t worth much when some numbnuts takes a cellphone picture of a slide in a top level security briefing, and then tweets it

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Date: 5/11/2019 22:48:03
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1458350
Subject: re: Obtaining images of spacecraft in space.

party_pants said:


Yeah but,

whatever they had in 1981 must be just about possibly on the verge of obsolescence by now.

Which is why I thought it would be more about weaponisation than showing how good their spy cameras were.

(As an aside, the intelligence community denied NASA’s request for images for the 2003 foam strike, saying there wasn’t enough data to warrant use of their technology, which is why NASA wanted pics in the first place. No one knew what, if any, damage the foam strike caused.)

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Date: 5/11/2019 23:28:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1458357
Subject: re: Obtaining images of spacecraft in space.

dv said:


Divine Angel said:

I found this intriguing. Excerpt from chapter three, “The Foam Strike”, Bringing Columbia Home by Michael Leinbach and Jonathon Ward.

Would the methods used to procure those images be subject to weaponisation and that’s why they’re classified? Why keep the details of what the images show classified, even after the shuttle has been destroyed and the program abolished? (Earlier in the book, the author states that Columbia was the first shuttle built, so contains bits and pieces not used on the other shuttles.)


The US, and other countries, keep the capacities of their spy satellites secret for obvious reasons.

¡indeed, one reason would be to ensure it is not obvious!

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Date: 6/11/2019 05:36:24
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1458365
Subject: re: Obtaining images of spacecraft in space.

ChrispenEvan said:


Divine Angel said:

I found this intriguing. Excerpt from chapter three, “The Foam Strike”, Bringing Columbia Home by Michael Leinbach and Jonathon Ward.

Would the methods used to procure those images be subject to weaponisation and that’s why they’re classified? Why keep the details of what the images show classified, even after the shuttle has been destroyed and the program abolished? (Earlier in the book, the author states that Columbia was the first shuttle built, so contains bits and pieces not used on the other shuttles.)


I would image it might have something to do with the resolution x the distance. How fine a detail these spy cameras are capable of would be classified.

The USA used to have a whole suite of space telescopes for spying purposes prior to 1990, every one of which was equivalent to Hubble in capability. It’s only recently that I’ve become aware of these.

Look at https://science.howstuffworks.com/question529.htm

“What is a keyhole satellite and what can it really spy on? The code named Kennan “Keyhole-class” (KH) reconnaissance satellites have been orbiting the Earth for more than 30 years. They are typically used to take overhead photos for military missions. The big question for a lot of people is: “What can they see?” A KH-12 is a $1 billion satellite that resembles the Hubble Space Telescope, except it is looking at our planet. For security reasons, there are no published orbit schedules for the imagery spacecraft. They are supplemented by the 15-ton Lacrosse-class radar-imaging satellites.”

“Many of the details about this class of satellites remain classified, but it is known that there are several of these overhead at any given time. They have an imaging resolution of 5-6 inches, which means they can see something 5 inches or larger on the ground. These satellites probably can’t read your house number, but they can tell whether there is a bike parked in your driveway.”

From wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KH-11_Kennen

“KH-11s are believed to resemble the Hubble Space Telescope in size and shape, as the satellites were shipped in similar containers. Their length is believed to be 19.5 meters, with a diameter of up to 3 meters.” At 3 metres, the main mirror was larger than Hubble’s 2.4 metres. These were first launched in December 1976. “five were launched between 19 December 1976 and 17 November 1982”. Resolution is “… up to a couple inches. Not quite good enough to recognize a face”.

> Photograph Columbia on her maiden orbit in 1981.

Back in 1981, these spy satellites would still have been very hush hush.

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Date: 6/11/2019 23:00:10
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1458618
Subject: re: Obtaining images of spacecraft in space.

I doubt Trump’s first question would be about the crew’s families. He’d probably ask if it was the (insert enemy of the week) and tweet images of the disintegration as proof of enemy attacks.
(T plus thirty minutes after Columbia was lost.)

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Date: 6/11/2019 23:06:13
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1458620
Subject: re: Obtaining images of spacecraft in space.

If a piece of shuttle breaks my roof, does insurance cover that? Or can I bill NASA?

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