NSW now… 2 fires at Emergency level.. down from 17 yesterday

Qld now

SE Qld

1 fire at Emergency level

.

2 people confirmed dead on tablelands in NSW. More missing.

NSW fires destroy 100 homes, Sunshine Coast and Gold Coast communities under bushfire threat in Qld

Advice

If you are in the area of Old Bar and Wallabi Point, seek shelter as the fire approaches. Protect yourself from the heat of the fire by sheltering in a solid structure.

If you are in the area of Tinonee, Taree South, Purfleet, Hillville, Rainbow Flat, Diamond Beach, Possum Brush, Tallwoods Village, Hallidays Point, continue to monitor conditions. If the fire reaches your location, seek shelter.

A Neighbourhood Safer Place is located at Old Bar Bowling Club, Waterman Street, Old Bar.

Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Town of Bobin in NSW devastated by fire

This from the Pacific Palms Rural Fire Brigade:

It’s 3:20 Am Saturday 9 th we are making our way off the fire ground from Bobin. Pacific Palms Pumper and Cat 1 trucks were tasked into Bobin around 4pm. Upon arrival we came to a town destroyed, the local primary school wiped out and house after house burnt to the ground. Devastation. A furious fire had ripped through the town like none of us has seen, and continued to make its way through properties in front of Us. Unfortunately we seen things we’ll never forget today and never want to see again. Our thoughts go out to Bobin, and all the other affected areas.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-09/emergency-level-fires-burn-through-nsw-qld-live-blog/11688594

And the footage of driving through Nymboida doesn’t look good. That village appears to have burnt to the ground, too. I hope Ian has kept safe. The Nymboida fire is not far from him, and going his way.

I’m ok. Thanks for the thoughts.

The closest approach of fire was 5 or 6 km at about 2 am. I got all my hoses ready and watched the glow in the distance. We got showered with blackened leaves. It was a wild old night.. smoke, gusting hot winds.. the temp didn’t drop below 30 till about 1 am, and about 2.30 a cool change came through turning the winds to easterly.

Should I be furious at local councils for not carrying out sufficient backburning during the winter?

If so, who should be shot?

mollwollfumble said:

Should I be furious at local councils for not carrying out sufficient backburning during the winter?

If so, who should be shot?

It is a bigger problem than that.

mollwollfumble said:

Should I be furious at local councils for not carrying out sufficient backburning during the winter?

If so, who should be shot?

No, not imo. There’s about 200,000 ha burnt out in the fires to the west of me.
There’s a major drought exacerbated by climate change.

mollwollfumble said:

Should I be furious at local councils for not carrying out sufficient backburning during the winter?

If so, who should be shot?

Moll. I’m being pedantic but the word backburning should only be used when describing a fire which is lit from a containment line at such a time as to be drawn into the main, approaching fire. It widens the containment line and reduces the chances of ember attack.
The Councils should have done fuel reduction burns.

This thread

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Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Town of Bobin in NSW devastated by fire

This from the Pacific Palms Rural Fire Brigade:

It’s 3:20 Am Saturday 9 th we are making our way off the fire ground from Bobin. Pacific Palms Pumper and Cat 1 trucks were tasked into Bobin around 4pm. Upon arrival we came to a town destroyed, the local primary school wiped out and house after house burnt to the ground. Devastation. A furious fire had ripped through the town like none of us has seen, and continued to make its way through properties in front of Us. Unfortunately we seen things we’ll never forget today and never want to see again. Our thoughts go out to Bobin, and all the other affected areas.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-09/emergency-level-fires-burn-through-nsw-qld-live-blog/11688594

And the footage of driving through Nymboida doesn’t look good. That village appears to have burnt to the ground, too. I hope Ian has kept safe. The Nymboida fire is not far from him, and going his way.

I’m ok. Thanks for the thoughts.

The closest approach of fire was 5 or 6 km at about 2 am. I got all my hoses ready and watched the glow in the distance. We got showered with blackened leaves. It was a wild old night.. smoke, gusting hot winds.. the temp didn’t drop below 30 till about 1 am, and about 2.30 a cool change came through turning the winds to easterly.

https://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherpulse/player/Weatherpulse-Fire-danger/6101772292001

https://www.smh.com.au/national/queensland/thousands-evacuated-from-noosa-bushfire-20191109-p538zr.html

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https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/three-missing-100-homes-destroyed-amid-unprecedented-nsw-bushfire-emergency-20191109-p538yl.html

The RFS said seven people remained unaccounted for and more than 30 people had been injured in the bushfires, four of which were still burning at emergency warning level.

The RFS said firefighters were in “uncharted territory” at the peak of the crisis, when a record 17 blazes burned simultaneously at emergency level on Friday night.

Mr Fitzsimmons acknowledged on Friday night that the state had “never had this many fires at emergency level”.

“We are in uncharted territory … we’ve never seen this many fires concurrently at emergency warning level,” he said.

It doesn’t help immediately, but I did go looking for background because I know about our fire season down South, but I don’t know about the more Northerner bits.

https://theconversation.com/its-only-october-so-whats-with-all-these-bushfires-new-research-explains-it-124091

You need The Wet. Now.

buffy said:

It doesn’t help immediately, but I did go looking for background because I know about our fire season down South, but I don’t know about the more Northerner bits.

https://theconversation.com/its-only-october-so-whats-with-all-these-bushfires-new-research-explains-it-124091

You need The Wet. Now.

Listening to a weather girl on the wireless, she said we need the monsoon trough to form soon and the Indian ocean dipole to change.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

It doesn’t help immediately, but I did go looking for background because I know about our fire season down South, but I don’t know about the more Northerner bits.

https://theconversation.com/its-only-october-so-whats-with-all-these-bushfires-new-research-explains-it-124091

You need The Wet. Now.

Listening to a weather girl on the wireless, she said we need the monsoon trough to form soon and the Indian ocean dipole to change.

Would a motion in Parliament calling for a dipole swing be enough?

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

It doesn’t help immediately, but I did go looking for background because I know about our fire season down South, but I don’t know about the more Northerner bits.

https://theconversation.com/its-only-october-so-whats-with-all-these-bushfires-new-research-explains-it-124091

You need The Wet. Now.

Listening to a weather girl on the wireless, she said we need the monsoon trough to form soon and the Indian ocean dipole to change.

Would a motion in Parliament calling for a dipole swing be enough?

>>In Australia, the year-to-year changes in climatic conditions are largely driven by three factors: the El Niño Southern Oscillation, the Indian Ocean Dipole, and the Southern Annular Mode.<<

From that link I gave. It’s a dance.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

It doesn’t help immediately, but I did go looking for background because I know about our fire season down South, but I don’t know about the more Northerner bits.

https://theconversation.com/its-only-october-so-whats-with-all-these-bushfires-new-research-explains-it-124091

You need The Wet. Now.

Listening to a weather girl on the wireless, she said we need the monsoon trough to form soon and the Indian ocean dipole to change.

Would a motion in Parliament calling for a dipole swing be enough?

I don’t see why not. In 1989 the Australian Parliament declared that deuterium is a radioactive element. It’s not, but if the Australian Government can change physics to suit itself, why not meteorology too?

btm said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Listening to a weather girl on the wireless, she said we need the monsoon trough to form soon and the Indian ocean dipole to change.

Would a motion in Parliament calling for a dipole swing be enough?

I don’t see why not. In 1989 the Australian Parliament declared that deuterium is a radioactive element. It’s not, but if the Australian Government can change physics to suit itself, why not meteorology too?

It did what?

btm said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Listening to a weather girl on the wireless, she said we need the monsoon trough to form soon and the Indian ocean dipole to change.

Would a motion in Parliament calling for a dipole swing be enough?

I don’t see why not. In 1989 the Australian Parliament declared that deuterium is a radioactive element. It’s not, but if the Australian Government can change physics to suit itself, why not meteorology too?

Three and a half minute BOM video explaining the Indian Ocean Dipole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6hOVatamYs

sibeen said:

btm said:

party_pants said:

Would a motion in Parliament calling for a dipole swing be enough?

I don’t see why not. In 1989 the Australian Parliament declared that deuterium is a radioactive element. It’s not, but if the Australian Government can change physics to suit itself, why not meteorology too?

It did what?

Couldn’t find anything on that, but I did discover:

Lasers could create clean nuclear energy – ABC News …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-06/lasers-could-create-clean-nuclear-energy/2584528

An Australian-led team of scientists may have found a way of creating a cheap and abundant source of clean energy through nuclear fusion.

btm said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Listening to a weather girl on the wireless, she said we need the monsoon trough to form soon and the Indian ocean dipole to change.

Would a motion in Parliament calling for a dipole swing be enough?

I don’t see why not. In 1989 the Australian Parliament declared that deuterium is a radioactive element. It’s not, but if the Australian Government can change physics to suit itself, why not meteorology too?

Really? Do you have a link?

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

btm said:

I don’t see why not. In 1989 the Australian Parliament declared that deuterium is a radioactive element. It’s not, but if the Australian Government can change physics to suit itself, why not meteorology too?

It did what?

Couldn’t find anything on that, but I did discover:

Lasers could create clean nuclear energy – ABC News …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-06/lasers-could-create-clean-nuclear-energy/2584528

An Australian-led team of scientists may have found a way of creating a cheap and abundant source of clean energy through nuclear fusion.

So if it’s 25 years ahead from 2010: that’s about 2035. I should be alive then.

party_pants said:

Three and a half minute BOM video explaining the Indian Ocean Dipole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6hOVatamYs

Excellent.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

btm said:

I don’t see why not. In 1989 the Australian Parliament declared that deuterium is a radioactive element. It’s not, but if the Australian Government can change physics to suit itself, why not meteorology too?

It did what?

Couldn’t find anything on that, but I did discover:

Lasers could create clean nuclear energy – ABC News …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-06/lasers-could-create-clean-nuclear-energy/2584528

An Australian-led team of scientists may have found a way of creating a cheap and abundant source of clean energy through nuclear fusion.

If they had (and I think it’s unlikely) how would you use nuclear fusion to extinguish bushfires?

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Three and a half minute BOM video explaining the Indian Ocean Dipole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6hOVatamYs

Excellent.

I think the SAM’s all out of kilter as well.

Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

It did what?

Couldn’t find anything on that, but I did discover:

Lasers could create clean nuclear energy – ABC News …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-06/lasers-could-create-clean-nuclear-energy/2584528

An Australian-led team of scientists may have found a way of creating a cheap and abundant source of clean energy through nuclear fusion.

If they had (and I think it’s unlikely) how would you use nuclear fusion to extinguish bushfires?

Nuke them from orbit.

sibeen said:

Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Couldn’t find anything on that, but I did discover:

Lasers could create clean nuclear energy – ABC News …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-06/lasers-could-create-clean-nuclear-energy/2584528

An Australian-led team of scientists may have found a way of creating a cheap and abundant source of clean energy through nuclear fusion.

If they had (and I think it’s unlikely) how would you use nuclear fusion to extinguish bushfires?

Nuke them from orbit.

A movie you have seen?

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Ian said:

If they had (and I think it’s unlikely) how would you use nuclear fusion to extinguish bushfires?

Nuke them from orbit.

A movie you have seen?

Referencing Donald Trump on how to stop hurricanes.

Michael V said:

btm said:

party_pants said:

Would a motion in Parliament calling for a dipole swing be enough?

I don’t see why not. In 1989 the Australian Parliament declared that deuterium is a radioactive element. It’s not, but if the Australian Government can change physics to suit itself, why not meteorology too?

Really? Do you have a link?

Not offhand, sorry. One of my uni chemistry lecturers told me about it. The goverment of the day wanted to include deuterium on a list of restricted materials, so declared it radioactive.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Nuke them from orbit.

A movie you have seen?

Referencing Donald Trump on how to stop hurricanes.

The movie that Sibeen may be quoting is from the 1980s.

btm said:

Michael V said:

btm said:

I don’t see why not. In 1989 the Australian Parliament declared that deuterium is a radioactive element. It’s not, but if the Australian Government can change physics to suit itself, why not meteorology too?

Really? Do you have a link?

Not offhand, sorry. One of my uni chemistry lecturers told me about it. The goverment of the day wanted to include deuterium on a list of restricted materials, so declared it radioactive.

peers over glasses

Chemistry, really? No self respecting electronics engineer should be sullying themselves with chemistry.

looks over shoulder at volume of Barrow’s “Physical Chemistry” which is propped on my bookshelf

Emergency warning in Gnangara WA.

btm said:

Michael V said:

btm said:

I don’t see why not. In 1989 the Australian Parliament declared that deuterium is a radioactive element. It’s not, but if the Australian Government can change physics to suit itself, why not meteorology too?

Really? Do you have a link?

Not offhand, sorry. One of my uni chemistry lecturers told me about it. The goverment of the day wanted to include deuterium on a list of restricted materials, so declared it radioactive.

Seems odd. They could just have easily declared it a restricted material without going through that hoop.

party_pants said:

btm said:

Michael V said:

Really? Do you have a link?

Not offhand, sorry. One of my uni chemistry lecturers told me about it. The goverment of the day wanted to include deuterium on a list of restricted materials, so declared it radioactive.

Seems odd. They could just have easily declared it a restricted material without going through that hoop.

Which side of the Australian Government? Do you remember that much?

party_pants said:

btm said:

Michael V said:

Really? Do you have a link?

Not offhand, sorry. One of my uni chemistry lecturers told me about it. The goverment of the day wanted to include deuterium on a list of restricted materials, so declared it radioactive.

Seems odd. They could just have easily declared it a restricted material without going through that hoop.

Probably misremembered as a defined substance under our nuclear non-proliferation agreement which also included non radioactive stuff and bits of engineering like light triggers.

sibeen said:

btm said:

Michael V said:

Really? Do you have a link?

Not offhand, sorry. One of my uni chemistry lecturers told me about it. The goverment of the day wanted to include deuterium on a list of restricted materials, so declared it radioactive.

peers over glasses

Chemistry, really? No self respecting electronics engineer should be sullying themselves with chemistry.

looks over shoulder at volume of Barrow’s “Physical Chemistry” which is propped on my bookshelf

Self respecting? I’m as self-respecting as you are, sibeen.

sibeen said:

Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Couldn’t find anything on that, but I did discover:

Lasers could create clean nuclear energy – ABC News …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-06/lasers-could-create-clean-nuclear-energy/2584528

An Australian-led team of scientists may have found a way of creating a cheap and abundant source of clean energy through nuclear fusion.

If they had (and I think it’s unlikely) how would you use nuclear fusion to extinguish bushfires?

Nuke them from orbit.

Australia doesn’t have a space program so that is going to be a problem.

btm said:

sibeen said:

btm said:

Not offhand, sorry. One of my uni chemistry lecturers told me about it. The goverment of the day wanted to include deuterium on a list of restricted materials, so declared it radioactive.

peers over glasses

Chemistry, really? No self respecting electronics engineer should be sullying themselves with chemistry.

looks over shoulder at volume of Barrow’s “Physical Chemistry” which is propped on my bookshelf

Self respecting? I’m as self-respecting as you are, sibeen.

you two should get a room together.

btm said:

sibeen said:

btm said:

Not offhand, sorry. One of my uni chemistry lecturers told me about it. The goverment of the day wanted to include deuterium on a list of restricted materials, so declared it radioactive.

peers over glasses

Chemistry, really? No self respecting electronics engineer should be sullying themselves with chemistry.

looks over shoulder at volume of Barrow’s “Physical Chemistry” which is propped on my bookshelf

Self respecting? I’m as self-respecting as you are, sibeen.

Probably did biology too!!!

Witty Rejoinder said:

btm said:

sibeen said:

peers over glasses

Chemistry, really? No self respecting electronics engineer should be sullying themselves with chemistry.

looks over shoulder at volume of Barrow’s “Physical Chemistry” which is propped on my bookshelf

Self respecting? I’m as self-respecting as you are, sibeen.

Probably did biology too!!!

Nah. Started it in year 12, but transferred to physics instead.

sibeen said:

btm said:

Michael V said:

Really? Do you have a link?

Not offhand, sorry. One of my uni chemistry lecturers told me about it. The goverment of the day wanted to include deuterium on a list of restricted materials, so declared it radioactive.

peers over glasses

Chemistry, really? No self respecting electronics engineer should be sullying themselves with chemistry.

looks over shoulder at volume of Barrow’s “Physical Chemistry” which is propped on my bookshelf

I’ve got “Principles of Physical Chemistry” by Coller, McKinnon and Wilson. But I have no idea why I’ve got a copy of that, or where it came from. I don’t remember using it as a textbook…

buffy said:

sibeen said:

btm said:

Not offhand, sorry. One of my uni chemistry lecturers told me about it. The goverment of the day wanted to include deuterium on a list of restricted materials, so declared it radioactive.

peers over glasses

Chemistry, really? No self respecting electronics engineer should be sullying themselves with chemistry.

looks over shoulder at volume of Barrow’s “Physical Chemistry” which is propped on my bookshelf

I’ve got “Principles of Physical Chemistry” by Coller, McKinnon and Wilson. But I have no idea why I’ve got a copy of that, or where it came from. I don’t remember using it as a textbook…

I used Barrow but I doubt anything past about page 2 would now be comprehensible, and yet the book still gets its space on the shelf in the technical section after every move – just in case :)

buffy said:

sibeen said:

btm said:

Not offhand, sorry. One of my uni chemistry lecturers told me about it. The goverment of the day wanted to include deuterium on a list of restricted materials, so declared it radioactive.

peers over glasses

Chemistry, really? No self respecting electronics engineer should be sullying themselves with chemistry.

looks over shoulder at volume of Barrow’s “Physical Chemistry” which is propped on my bookshelf

I’ve got “Principles of Physical Chemistry” by Coller, McKinnon and Wilson. But I have no idea why I’ve got a copy of that, or where it came from. I don’t remember using it as a textbook…

You probably nicked it off some poor chemistry student boyfriend you’ve long forgotten. Kryten knows to stay on your good side.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

peers over glasses

Chemistry, really? No self respecting electronics engineer should be sullying themselves with chemistry.

looks over shoulder at volume of Barrow’s “Physical Chemistry” which is propped on my bookshelf

I’ve got “Principles of Physical Chemistry” by Coller, McKinnon and Wilson. But I have no idea why I’ve got a copy of that, or where it came from. I don’t remember using it as a textbook…

I used Barrow but I doubt anything past about page 2 would now be comprehensible, and yet the book still gets its space on the shelf in the technical section after every move – just in case :)

I’ve got quite a lot of books like that. “Anatomy of the Chordates” is a beautiful book. I haven’t read any of it since 1978, but it’s a beautiful book.

:)

Returning this thread to its proper purpose now.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

peers over glasses

Chemistry, really? No self respecting electronics engineer should be sullying themselves with chemistry.

looks over shoulder at volume of Barrow’s “Physical Chemistry” which is propped on my bookshelf

I’ve got “Principles of Physical Chemistry” by Coller, McKinnon and Wilson. But I have no idea why I’ve got a copy of that, or where it came from. I don’t remember using it as a textbook…

You probably nicked it off some poor chemistry student boyfriend you’ve long forgotten. Kryten knows to stay on your good side.

I know who my boyfriend at that stage was, and he was doing Medicine. He’s a physician these days.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

I’ve got “Principles of Physical Chemistry” by Coller, McKinnon and Wilson. But I have no idea why I’ve got a copy of that, or where it came from. I don’t remember using it as a textbook…

You probably nicked it off some poor chemistry student boyfriend you’ve long forgotten. Kryten knows to stay on your good side.

I know who my boyfriend at that stage was, and he was doing Medicine. He’s a physician these days.

Hard to imagine a young, but already decidedly odd, Buffy in the prime of her youth… did you still get around to your parent’s place for some mowing time?

Three confirmed deaths so far.

:(

Weather forecast says generally easterly winds in SE Qld tomorrow, after SW winds today.

Hope it pushes fires back on to burnt ground, gives the firefighters some help.

captain_spalding said:

Weather forecast says generally easterly winds in SE Qld tomorrow, after SW winds today.

Hope it pushes fires back on to burnt ground, gives the firefighters some help.

Yeah, every little bit helps.

Paul S Allen – Singer Songwriter @paulusthebrit

The sun over Dunedin NZ a few minutes ago
Smoke from the devastating Australian fires.

My council area has been declared a State of Fire Emergency. AFAIK there aren’t any fires in my area.

Divine Angel said:

My council area has been declared a State of Fire Emergency. AFAIK there aren’t any fires in my area.

I reckon most of your fireys are busy elsewhere.

Divine Angel said:

My council area has been declared a State of Fire Emergency. AFAIK there aren’t any fires in my area.

maybe they are just doing their bit in solidarity.

SitRep 10/2019

June 21, 2019

BUDGET – Cuts, cuts and more cuts. Water On! Seven years on… Member Survey – Out this week

BUDGET – Cuts, cuts and more cuts.

The Liberal and National Government has cut the capital budget of Fire and Rescue NSW by 35.4 per cent. In addition, there are $12.9 million dollars of cuts in expenses. On top of this the Government have not budgeted an additional cent to cover the costs of our new Cancer Legislation supporting firefighters who have cancer from exposure at work. In addition, the Liberal Government included in the budget significant cuts to Long Service Leave entitlements for all new public sector workers.

The demand on us as workers and our services, such as fire, rescue, hazardous materials, urban search and rescue increases as the population grows and as our towns and cities develop. There are many growing communities, particularly in regional NSW, who do not have enough professional firefighters. There are some towns with no professional firefighters.

We have fewer firefighters now than we did eight years ago. Our trucks are old. We need more specialist equipment, not less. Some of our existing stations desperately need updating. We need safe protective uniforms and safe equipment. We need training. We need support after traumatic events. There is no fat to cut.

We have asked to meet with the Minister three times since the State Election he ignored us until the day before the Budget came down. We don’t need to wonder why… We are meeting with the Minster next week and we look forward to him explaining to us where he expects these cuts to come from.

What does the budget mean for us? We are already stretched thin. These budget cuts will be bad for us as workers and bad for our communities. Members should report any moves to make savings – big or small- to delegates and SCOM reps.

https://fbeu.net/2019/06/21/sitrep-10-2019/

sarahs mum said:

SitRep 10/2019

June 21, 2019

BUDGET – Cuts, cuts and more cuts. Water On! Seven years on… Member Survey – Out this week

BUDGET – Cuts, cuts and more cuts.

The Liberal and National Government has cut the capital budget of Fire and Rescue NSW by 35.4 per cent. In addition, there are $12.9 million dollars of cuts in expenses. On top of this the Government have not budgeted an additional cent to cover the costs of our new Cancer Legislation supporting firefighters who have cancer from exposure at work. In addition, the Liberal Government included in the budget significant cuts to Long Service Leave entitlements for all new public sector workers.

The demand on us as workers and our services, such as fire, rescue, hazardous materials, urban search and rescue increases as the population grows and as our towns and cities develop. There are many growing communities, particularly in regional NSW, who do not have enough professional firefighters. There are some towns with no professional firefighters.

We have fewer firefighters now than we did eight years ago. Our trucks are old. We need more specialist equipment, not less. Some of our existing stations desperately need updating. We need safe protective uniforms and safe equipment. We need training. We need support after traumatic events. There is no fat to cut.

We have asked to meet with the Minister three times since the State Election he ignored us until the day before the Budget came down. We don’t need to wonder why… We are meeting with the Minster next week and we look forward to him explaining to us where he expects these cuts to come from.

What does the budget mean for us? We are already stretched thin. These budget cuts will be bad for us as workers and bad for our communities. Members should report any moves to make savings – big or small- to delegates and SCOM reps.

https://fbeu.net/2019/06/21/sitrep-10-2019/

Unionists.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

SitRep 10/2019

June 21, 2019

BUDGET – Cuts, cuts and more cuts. Water On! Seven years on… Member Survey – Out this week

BUDGET – Cuts, cuts and more cuts.

The Liberal and National Government has cut the capital budget of Fire and Rescue NSW by 35.4 per cent. In addition, there are $12.9 million dollars of cuts in expenses. On top of this the Government have not budgeted an additional cent to cover the costs of our new Cancer Legislation supporting firefighters who have cancer from exposure at work. In addition, the Liberal Government included in the budget significant cuts to Long Service Leave entitlements for all new public sector workers.

The demand on us as workers and our services, such as fire, rescue, hazardous materials, urban search and rescue increases as the population grows and as our towns and cities develop. There are many growing communities, particularly in regional NSW, who do not have enough professional firefighters. There are some towns with no professional firefighters.

We have fewer firefighters now than we did eight years ago. Our trucks are old. We need more specialist equipment, not less. Some of our existing stations desperately need updating. We need safe protective uniforms and safe equipment. We need training. We need support after traumatic events. There is no fat to cut.

We have asked to meet with the Minister three times since the State Election he ignored us until the day before the Budget came down. We don’t need to wonder why… We are meeting with the Minster next week and we look forward to him explaining to us where he expects these cuts to come from.

What does the budget mean for us? We are already stretched thin. These budget cuts will be bad for us as workers and bad for our communities. Members should report any moves to make savings – big or small- to delegates and SCOM reps.

https://fbeu.net/2019/06/21/sitrep-10-2019/

Unionists.

Glenn Todd
Yesterday at 18:01

We need to start talking about the fact that our state and federal governments are externalising the costs of global warming by relying on volunteers with the RFS and SES to respond to natural disasters that are becoming increasingly severe and deadly.

It’s completely irresponsible and unethical to expect people to volunteer in these roles whilst actively denying climate science and making the situation worse.

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facebook seems be turning on ScoMo for this. It could be his worst summer. I can almost imagine calls to lock him up at the cricket.

facebook seems be turning on ScoMo for this. It could be his worst summer. I can almost imagine calls to lock him up at the cricket.

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We should all give him a lump of coal for Xmas.

Ian said:

facebook seems be turning on ScoMo for this. It could be his worst summer. I can almost imagine calls to lock him up at the cricket.

—

We should all give him a lump of coal for Xmas.

been there, done that….

party_pants said:

Ian said:

facebook seems be turning on ScoMo for this. It could be his worst summer. I can almost imagine calls to lock him up at the cricket.

—

We should all give him a lump of coal for Xmas.

been there, done that….

But the poor fellow only has the one.

party_pants said:

Ian said:

facebook seems be turning on ScoMo for this. It could be his worst summer. I can almost imagine calls to lock him up at the cricket.

—

We should all give him a lump of coal for Xmas.

been there, done that….

Pulled that out of his arse. I hope he did the free government bowel cancer test.

Ian said:

party_pants said:

Ian said:

facebook seems be turning on ScoMo for this. It could be his worst summer. I can almost imagine calls to lock him up at the cricket.

—

We should all give him a lump of coal for Xmas.

been there, done that….

But the poor fellow only has the one.

And he’ll need two if he wants to breed them.

party_pants said:

Ian said:

facebook seems be turning on ScoMo for this. It could be his worst summer. I can almost imagine calls to lock him up at the cricket.

—

We should all give him a lump of coal for Xmas.

been there, done that….

That coal’s not fresh.

Ian said:

facebook seems be turning on ScoMo for this. It could be his worst summer. I can almost imagine calls to lock him up at the cricket.

—

We should all give him a lump of coal for Xmas.

I’m glad about this. Let’s hope he acts.

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Ian said:

facebook seems be turning on ScoMo for this. It could be his worst summer. I can almost imagine calls to lock him up at the cricket.

—

We should all give him a lump of coal for Xmas.

been there, done that….

That coal’s not fresh.

No, it is all a bit shriveled up and black after 80 million years.

party_pants said:

Ian said:

facebook seems be turning on ScoMo for this. It could be his worst summer. I can almost imagine calls to lock him up at the cricket.

—

We should all give him a lump of coal for Xmas.

been there, done that….

The Labor Party got a sound thrashing for pointing and laughing at coal, looks like they’ve learnt nothing.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Ian said:

facebook seems be turning on ScoMo for this. It could be his worst summer. I can almost imagine calls to lock him up at the cricket.

—

We should all give him a lump of coal for Xmas.

been there, done that….

The Labor Party got a sound thrashing for pointing and laughing at coal, looks like they’ve learnt nothing.

So you think think Labor should follow the Tory example and discard any and all defensible principles?

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Ian said:

facebook seems be turning on ScoMo for this. It could be his worst summer. I can almost imagine calls to lock him up at the cricket.

—

We should all give him a lump of coal for Xmas.

been there, done that….

The Labor Party got a sound thrashing for pointing and laughing at coal, looks like they’ve learnt nothing.

the laws of physics will win in the end, they always do.

Here’s a nice blue one.

Bubblecar said:

Here’s a nice blue one.

That was for chat, obviously

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

been there, done that….

The Labor Party got a sound thrashing for pointing and laughing at coal, looks like they’ve learnt nothing.

So you think think Labor should follow the Tory example and discard any and all defensible principles?

Labor got it’s arse kicked in Queensland because it didn’t have any principles at all on mining, it tried to walk both sides of a barbed wire fence and got it’s nuts badly lacerated.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Labor Party got a sound thrashing for pointing and laughing at coal, looks like they’ve learnt nothing.

So you think think Labor should follow the Tory example and discard any and all defensible principles?

Labor got it’s arse kicked in Queensland because it didn’t have any principles at all on mining, it tried to walk both sides of a barbed wire fence and got it’s nuts badly lacerated.

Or just because…..Queenslanders.

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Ian said:

facebook seems be turning on ScoMo for this. It could be his worst summer. I can almost imagine calls to lock him up at the cricket.

—

We should all give him a lump of coal for Xmas.

been there, done that….

That coal’s not fresh.

I read that that piece of coal was covered with shellac. It would make the coal shinier and less likely to leave blackness on hands and surfaces. Fake clean coal if you ask me.

But don’t worry about the fires. Scotty’s praying for rain 👍

Divine Angel said:

But don’t worry about the fires. Scotty’s praying for rain 👍

Perfect!

Just what we need.

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

But don’t worry about the fires. Scotty’s praying for rain 👍

Perfect!

Just what we need.

Hope his prayers have more power than mine.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

But don’t worry about the fires. Scotty’s praying for rain 👍

Perfect!

Just what we need.

Hope his prayers have more power than mine.

I seriously doubt that.

Sister-in-law in Old Bar saved by water bombing. Fire got to one street away. Her other half’s parents were forced to stay in their house but managed to save it.

The Kangawalla fire east of Glen Innes has claimed at least two lives and destroyed much of Wytaliba, including the school.

Police have begun an investigation on behalf of the Coroner after a body was found in a burnt-out vehicle on Saturday, near Wytaliba, about 50km east of Glen Innes.

Meanwhile, a woman who was found unconscious on Friday night with burns to 40 to 50 per cent of her body at a propery on Old Grafton Road, died in Concord Hospital on Saturday morning.

“It was “f****** scary shit” he said; two people have died and another seven were injured, including two he helped evacuate. More than 60 homes were destroyed.

Stinking of smoke, hours after losing his Wytaliba home of 30 years to a deadly out-of-control blaze, Louis Stoker’s first thought was political.

“Anyone who tells you that there’s no such thing as climate change has got rocks in their head,” he said.

A group of Wytablia residents had earlier found shelter at the town oval as the blaze passed them by. From there, Mr Stoker watched in horror as the fire burned through the town in minutes.

His was just one of dozens of stories of horror among the residents who fled the deadly blaze.

https://www.gleninnesexaminer.com.au

Catastrophic fire danger is now forecast for the Greater Sydney and Greater Hunter areas on Tuesday 12 November 2019, due to worsening weather conditions.

High temperatures, strong winds and low humidity are forecast, making conditions dangerous.

Catastrophic is the highest level of bush fire danger. Homes are not designed to withstand a fire under these conditions.

If a fire starts and takes hold during Catastrophic fire danger conditions, lives and homes will be at risk.

Advice for people in areas of Catastrophic fire danger include:

Avoid bush fire prone areas. A safer area may be a large town or city, shopping centres or facilities well away from bushland areas.Schools in identified high risk areas will be closed. Schools will notify affected students. Start making arrangements now.If you are unable to leave, identify a safe location which may be nearby. This may include a Neighbourhood Safer Place.

Large areas of the state are also forecast to experience Severe and Extreme fire danger. This includes in the north coast and northern NSW areas, where there is a large number of fires already burning. These fires will not be contained in time and will threaten lives and properties.

Based on latest forecasts from the Bureau of Meteorology, the following fire danger ratings are expected on Tuesday. These are subject to change as forecasts are updated:

Catastrophic – Greater Sydney and Greater Hunter (including the Blue Mountains and Central Coast areas)Extreme – North Coast, Illawarra/Shoalhaven, Central Ranges, Northern Slopes and North WesternSevere – Far North Coast, New England, Far South Coast, Southern Ranges, Lower Central West Plains

This is the first time since new Fire Danger Ratings were introduced in 2009 that Catastrophic fire danger has been forecast for Sydney.

A statewide total fire ban has been declared for all areas of NSW for all of Monday and Tuesday.

RFS

roughbarked said:

Sister-in-law in Old Bar saved by water bombing. Fire got to one street away. Her other half’s parents were forced to stay in their house but managed to save it.

Good. Good news. We need good news.

Take care everyone.

We’re going to have to get used to this being the norm.

Ian said:

Catastrophic fire danger is now forecast for the Greater Sydney and Greater Hunter areas on Tuesday 12 November 2019, due to worsening weather conditions.

High temperatures, strong winds and low humidity are forecast, making conditions dangerous.

Catastrophic is the highest level of bush fire danger. Homes are not designed to withstand a fire under these conditions.

If a fire starts and takes hold during Catastrophic fire danger conditions, lives and homes will be at risk.

Advice for people in areas of Catastrophic fire danger include:

Avoid bush fire prone areas. A safer area may be a large town or city, shopping centres or facilities well away from bushland areas.Schools in identified high risk areas will be closed. Schools will notify affected students. Start making arrangements now.If you are unable to leave, identify a safe location which may be nearby. This may include a Neighbourhood Safer Place.

Large areas of the state are also forecast to experience Severe and Extreme fire danger. This includes in the north coast and northern NSW areas, where there is a large number of fires already burning. These fires will not be contained in time and will threaten lives and properties.

Based on latest forecasts from the Bureau of Meteorology, the following fire danger ratings are expected on Tuesday. These are subject to change as forecasts are updated:

Catastrophic – Greater Sydney and Greater Hunter (including the Blue Mountains and Central Coast areas)Extreme – North Coast, Illawarra/Shoalhaven, Central Ranges, Northern Slopes and North WesternSevere – Far North Coast, New England, Far South Coast, Southern Ranges, Lower Central West Plains

This is the first time since new Fire Danger Ratings were introduced in 2009 that Catastrophic fire danger has been forecast for Sydney.

A statewide total fire ban has been declared for all areas of NSW for all of Monday and Tuesday.

RFS

damn.

The local village of Coutts Crossing was painted with pink fire retardant today in order to pull the fire up.

RFS crew are limiting access to the whole area.

From: roughbarked
ID: 1460242
Subject: re: NSW and Qld Bushfires

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said: But don’t worry about the fires. Scotty’s praying for rain 👍 Perfect! Just what we need.

Hope his prayers have more power than mine.
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My late father maintained h=that his prayers were always answered. And the answer was no.

roughbarked said:

Sister-in-law in Old Bar saved by water bombing. Fire got to one street away. Her other half’s parents were forced to stay in their house but managed to save it.

Excellent news.

Ian said:

The Kangawalla fire east of Glen Innes has claimed at least two lives and destroyed much of Wytaliba, including the school.

Police have begun an investigation on behalf of the Coroner after a body was found in a burnt-out vehicle on Saturday, near Wytaliba, about 50km east of Glen Innes.

Meanwhile, a woman who was found unconscious on Friday night with burns to 40 to 50 per cent of her body at a propery on Old Grafton Road, died in Concord Hospital on Saturday morning.

“It was “f****** scary shit” he said; two people have died and another seven were injured, including two he helped evacuate. More than 60 homes were destroyed.

Stinking of smoke, hours after losing his Wytaliba home of 30 years to a deadly out-of-control blaze, Louis Stoker’s first thought was political.

“Anyone who tells you that there’s no such thing as climate change has got rocks in their head,” he said.

A group of Wytablia residents had earlier found shelter at the town oval as the blaze passed them by. From there, Mr Stoker watched in horror as the fire burned through the town in minutes.

His was just one of dozens of stories of horror among the residents who fled the deadly blaze.

https://www.gleninnesexaminer.com.au

That would’ve been scary horrid at Wytaliba.

Ian said:

The local village of Coutts Crossing was painted with pink fire retardant today in order to pull the fire up.

RFS crew are limiting access to the whole area.

Wow.

How are you travelling, Ian?
Any close to you?

bucolic3401 said:

From: roughbarked
ID: 1460242
Subject: re: NSW and Qld Bushfires

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said: But don’t worry about the fires. Scotty’s praying for rain 👍 Perfect! Just what we need.

Hope his prayers have more power than mine.
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My late father maintained h=that his prayers were always answered. And the answer was no.

LOL

Michael V said:

bucolic3401 said:

From: roughbarked
ID: 1460242
Subject: re: NSW and Qld Bushfires

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said: But don’t worry about the fires. Scotty’s praying for rain 👍 Perfect! Just what we need.

Hope his prayers have more power than mine.
Reply Quote

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My late father maintained h=that his prayers were always answered. And the answer was no.

LOL

There’s probably a lot of pious souls praying for rain, probably been at it for ages.

TRY SOME NEW PRAYERS, DIMWITS, THE ONES YOU’VE BEEN USING ARE NO F***ING GOOD!

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

bucolic3401 said:

From: roughbarked
ID: 1460242
Subject: re: NSW and Qld Bushfires

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said: But don’t worry about the fires. Scotty’s praying for rain 👍 Perfect! Just what we need.

Hope his prayers have more power than mine.
Reply Quote

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My late father maintained h=that his prayers were always answered. And the answer was no.

LOL

There’s probably a lot of pious souls praying for rain, probably been at it for ages.

TRY SOME NEW PRAYERS, DIMWITS, THE ONES YOU’VE BEEN USING ARE NO F***ING GOOD!

LOL

(again)

NSW Rural Fire Service
1 hr ·

Catastrophic fire danger is now forecast for the Greater Sydney and Greater Hunter areas on Tuesday 12 November 2019, due to worsening weather conditions.

High temperatures, strong winds and low humidity are forecast, making conditions dangerous.

Catastrophic is the highest level of bush fire danger. Homes are not designed to withstand a fire under these conditions.

If a fire starts and takes hold during Catastrophic fire danger conditions, lives and homes will be at risk.

Advice for people in areas of Catastrophic fire danger include:
› Avoid bush fire prone areas. A safer area may be a large town or city, shopping centres or facilities well away from bushland areas.
› Schools in identified high risk areas will be closed. Schools will notify affected students. Start making arrangements now.
› If you are unable to leave, identify a safe location which may be nearby. This may include a Neighbourhood Safer Place.

Large areas of the state are also forecast to experience Severe and Extreme fire danger. This includes in the north coast and northern NSW areas, where there is a large number of fires already burning. These fires will not be contained in time and will threaten lives and properties.

Based on latest forecasts from the Bureau of Meteorology, the following fire danger ratings are expected on Tuesday. These are subject to change as forecasts are updated:
› Catastrophic – Greater Sydney and Greater Hunter (including the Blue Mountains and Central Coast areas)
› Extreme – North Coast, Illawarra/Shoalhaven, Central Ranges, Northern Slopes and North Western
› Severe – Far North Coast, New England, Far South Coast, Southern Ranges, Lower Central West Plains

This is the first time since new Fire Danger Ratings were introduced in 2009 that Catastrophic fire danger has been forecast for Sydney.

A statewide total fire ban has been declared for all areas of NSW for all of Monday and Tuesday.

sarahs mum said:

A statewide total fire ban has been declared for all areas of NSW for all of Monday and Tuesday.

Does this mean no mowing?

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

A statewide total fire ban has been declared for all areas of NSW for all of Monday and Tuesday.

Does this mean no mowing?

definitely

Peak Warming Man said:

How are you travelling, Ian?
Any close to you?

I’m fkn sore from gutter cleaning, raking leaves and stuff, mowing etc. There’s more to do.. tomorrow ..

I’m 3 or 4 km from fires. It’s relatively cool and calm today and the firies are hard at it. There’s not much on the ground to burn here and only a couple of large trees anywhere near the house. There was a very large fire back in August that ran along the mountain to the south. That may mean fire doesn’t come in from that direction. But it’s going to be dicey.

Ian said:

Peak Warming Man said:

How are you travelling, Ian?
Any close to you?

I’m fkn sore from gutter cleaning, raking leaves and stuff, mowing etc. There’s more to do.. tomorrow ..

I’m 3 or 4 km from fires. It’s relatively cool and calm today and the firies are hard at it. There’s not much on the ground to burn here and only a couple of large trees anywhere near the house. There was a very large fire back in August that ran along the mountain to the south. That may mean fire doesn’t come in from that direction. But it’s going to be dicey.

Keep safe mate. And run away if you need to.

Have you moved your horses etc just in case?

Michael V said:

Ian said:

Peak Warming Man said:

How are you travelling, Ian?
Any close to you?

I’m fkn sore from gutter cleaning, raking leaves and stuff, mowing etc. There’s more to do.. tomorrow ..

I’m 3 or 4 km from fires. It’s relatively cool and calm today and the firies are hard at it. There’s not much on the ground to burn here and only a couple of large trees anywhere near the house. There was a very large fire back in August that ran along the mountain to the south. That may mean fire doesn’t come in from that direction. But it’s going to be dicey.

Keep safe mate. And run away if you need to.

Have you moved your horses etc just in case?

Yeah thanks mate.
No horses on the place atm.

There’s nowhere more defensible than here close by. The plan is to stay and fight :)

This is an interesting site. Real time satellite monitoring of hotspots.

https://sentinel.ga.gov.au/#/

The Incident Alert map has a lot of red around the coastline.

http://incidentalert.com.au/iav4/map.php

Ian said:

This is an interesting site. Real time satellite monitoring of hotspots.

https://sentinel.ga.gov.au/#/

Ta.

Ian said:

This is an interesting site. Real time satellite monitoring of hotspots.

https://sentinel.ga.gov.au/#/

Far Canal!

Not so far from you, and very red!

buffy said:

The Incident Alert map has a lot of red around the coastline.

http://incidentalert.com.au/iav4/map.php

Thanks. That blob I worry about.

Nice to see a site that covers the country. The various state fire authorities should really put their heads together and standardize their sites.. colour codes..

Boris said:

Excellent comment.

Michael V said:

Ian said:

This is an interesting site. Real time satellite monitoring of hotspots.

https://sentinel.ga.gov.au/#/

Far Canal!

Not so far from you, and very red!

Fires not to scale :)
But it does give a good indication of where the front is at.

Boris said:

Nails it

Ian said:

Michael V said:

Ian said:

This is an interesting site. Real time satellite monitoring of hotspots.

https://sentinel.ga.gov.au/#/

Far Canal!

Not so far from you, and very red!

Fires not to scale :)
But it does give a good indication of where the front is at.

How close now?

Continuing the conversation that this is the most political disaster I can remember…
My sister (who votes Liberal more than she probably should) doesn’t like Morrison’s smirk. The smirk is starting to make her angry.

Michael V said:

Ian said:

Michael V said:

Far Canal!

Not so far from you, and very red!

Fires not to scale :)
But it does give a good indication of where the front is at.

How close now?

Same.. about 4 Km. It’s eerily calm. Chared leaves falling from a great height. A yellow near full moon.

Ian said:

Michael V said:

Ian said:

Fires not to scale :)
But it does give a good indication of where the front is at.

How close now?

Same.. about 4 Km. It’s eerily calm. Charred leaves falling from a great height. A yellow near full moon.

That’s the sun at midday isn’t it?…

Our local council has cancelled all upcoming fireworks displays. There’s a few events leading up to Christmas that use fireworks.

Divine Angel said:

Our local council has cancelled all upcoming fireworks displays. There’s a few events leading up to Christmas that use fireworks.

That’s probably a Good Thing in very many ways.

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Our local council has cancelled all upcoming fireworks displays. There’s a few events leading up to Christmas that use fireworks.

That’s probably a Good Thing in very many ways.

I think it’s a knee jerk reaction to a problem that doesn’t exist.

If it is a total fir ban then you don’t have fireworks. Otherwise go for your life.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Our local council has cancelled all upcoming fireworks displays. There’s a few events leading up to Christmas that use fireworks.

That’s probably a Good Thing in very many ways.

I think it’s a knee jerk reaction to a problem that doesn’t exist.

If it is a total fir ban then you don’t have fireworks. Otherwise go for your life.

But it’s a great way of saving very very substantial money at events. And fireworks are single-use only, and quite effectively waste resources etc.

As a society we seem to be in a competitive spiral about who can spend the most on fireworks. Stopping this would be Great.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

That’s probably a Good Thing in very many ways.

I think it’s a knee jerk reaction to a problem that doesn’t exist.

If it is a total fir ban then you don’t have fireworks. Otherwise go for your life.

But it’s a great way of saving very very substantial money at events. And fireworks are single-use only, and quite effectively waste resources etc.

As a society we seem to be in a competitive spiral about who can spend the most on fireworks. Stopping this would be Great.

Yeah, fuck the kiddies.We should give them a sausage in a stale bit of bread and they should be thankful. Sack cloth and ashes, that’s the way of the future.

Berejiklian has declared a state of emergency for the next seven days as NSW prepares to face “catastrophic” fire conditions for the first time on Tuesday.

‘Catastrophic’ is an estimation of fire behaviour, not weather conditions.

Just sayin’.

Also, good luck, all you strange northerners.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

I think it’s a knee jerk reaction to a problem that doesn’t exist.

If it is a total fir ban then you don’t have fireworks. Otherwise go for your life.

But it’s a great way of saving very very substantial money at events. And fireworks are single-use only, and quite effectively waste resources etc.

As a society we seem to be in a competitive spiral about who can spend the most on fireworks. Stopping this would be Great.

Yeah, fuck the kiddies.We should give them a sausage in a stale bit of bread and they should be thankful. Sack cloth and ashes, that’s the way of the future.

It probably will be if we keep wasting stuff.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Our local council has cancelled all upcoming fireworks displays. There’s a few events leading up to Christmas that use fireworks.

That’s probably a Good Thing in very many ways.

I think it’s a knee jerk reaction to a problem that doesn’t exist.

If it is a total fir ban then you don’t have fireworks. Otherwise go for your life.

fireworks are only fun when you are the one that lights the blue touch paper.

Boris said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

That’s probably a Good Thing in very many ways.

I think it’s a knee jerk reaction to a problem that doesn’t exist.

If it is a total fir ban then you don’t have fireworks. Otherwise go for your life.

fireworks are only fun when you are the one that lights the blue touch paper.

I suspect the hundreds of thousands who turn up to view these events may just disagree with you.

sibeen said:

Boris said:

sibeen said:

I think it’s a knee jerk reaction to a problem that doesn’t exist.

If it is a total fir ban then you don’t have fireworks. Otherwise go for your life.

fireworks are only fun when you are the one that lights the blue touch paper.

I suspect the hundreds of thousands who turn up to view these events may just disagree with you.

I walk my own road.

sibeen said:

Boris said:

sibeen said:

I think it’s a knee jerk reaction to a problem that doesn’t exist.

If it is a total fir ban then you don’t have fireworks. Otherwise go for your life.

fireworks are only fun when you are the one that lights the blue touch paper.

I suspect the hundreds of thousands who turn up to view these events may just disagree with you.

They may well do, but it’s still wasteful and polluting.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Boris said:

fireworks are only fun when you are the one that lights the blue touch paper.

I suspect the hundreds of thousands who turn up to view these events may just disagree with you.

They may well do, but it’s still wasteful and polluting.

How wasteful? It’s fireworks, a few chemicals in some tubes.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

I suspect the hundreds of thousands who turn up to view these events may just disagree with you.

They may well do, but it’s still wasteful and polluting.

How wasteful? It’s fireworks, a few chemicals in some tubes.

Sydney fireworks cost in 2019- $5.8 million.
The only time I have enjoyed a public fireworks event was in Artemis’s backyard overlooking the harbour. I was in a crush of people at a Melbourne NYE one at the end of the display, errkkkkkk and eeeekkk.
Wasteful, polluting, and bad for the wild creatures and the pets who hate bangs and crashes. I used to keep my daughters’ ponies near a school that did fireworks and that was stressful on this human, wondering if they would go through fences.

ruby said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

They may well do, but it’s still wasteful and polluting.

How wasteful? It’s fireworks, a few chemicals in some tubes.

Sydney fireworks cost in 2019- $5.8 million.
The only time I have enjoyed a public fireworks event was in Artemis’s backyard overlooking the harbour. I was in a crush of people at a Melbourne NYE one at the end of the display, errkkkkkk and eeeekkk.
Wasteful, polluting, and bad for the wild creatures and the pets who hate bangs and crashes. I used to keep my daughters’ ponies near a school that did fireworks and that was stressful on this human, wondering if they would go through fences.

That’s a cost, has nothing to do with how wasteful it actually is. Come on, if it is so wasteful then you should be able to put some limits on actually how wasteful it is. How many tonnes of unreplaceable elements does it use. What is its energy usage? How does this compare with the manufacture of a single vehicle?

sibeen said:

ruby said:

sibeen said:

How wasteful? It’s fireworks, a few chemicals in some tubes.

Sydney fireworks cost in 2019- $5.8 million.
The only time I have enjoyed a public fireworks event was in Artemis’s backyard overlooking the harbour. I was in a crush of people at a Melbourne NYE one at the end of the display, errkkkkkk and eeeekkk.
Wasteful, polluting, and bad for the wild creatures and the pets who hate bangs and crashes. I used to keep my daughters’ ponies near a school that did fireworks and that was stressful on this human, wondering if they would go through fences.

That’s a cost, has nothing to do with how wasteful it actually is. Come on, if it is so wasteful then you should be able to put some limits on actually how wasteful it is. How many tonnes of unreplaceable elements does it use. What is its energy usage? How does this compare with the manufacture of a single vehicle?

The problem with the Sydney fireworks is that they’re always bigger, better and more than the previous year’s. Yes, they are spectacular, especially when compared to what they were long ago, but they run for so long that they actually become boring to watch for the duration. It’s not necessary to continue this trend. Less is more.

All National Parks and some reserves in my area are now closed due to the catastrophic conditions tomorrow. I’m opposite 150 hectares of reserve that has not burnt in the 35 years I’ve lived here, so I’m off to finish clearing the grass from the hydrant on my verge and mow up the dead silky oak leaves and clean the gutters. Schools will be closed in the Blue Mountains.

ruby said:

All National Parks and some reserves in my area are now closed due to the catastrophic conditions tomorrow. I’m opposite 150 hectares of reserve that has not burnt in the 35 years I’ve lived here, so I’m off to finish clearing the grass from the hydrant on my verge and mow up the dead silky oak leaves and clean the gutters. Schools will be closed in the Blue Mountains.

Fark.

Make sure your mower doesn’t hit any pebbles! The spark can ignite a fire, as the good forumers informed me the other day. Our council has asked people not to mow. Not a ban, exactly, but a “please don’t”.

Divine Angel said:

ruby said:

All National Parks and some reserves in my area are now closed due to the catastrophic conditions tomorrow. I’m opposite 150 hectares of reserve that has not burnt in the 35 years I’ve lived here, so I’m off to finish clearing the grass from the hydrant on my verge and mow up the dead silky oak leaves and clean the gutters. Schools will be closed in the Blue Mountains.

Fark.

Make sure your mower doesn’t hit any pebbles! The spark can ignite a fire, as the good forumers informed me the other day. Our council has asked people not to mow. Not a ban, exactly, but a “please don’t”.

Hmmm. Maybe I will just rake. Thanks.

I was just talking to a school friend, whose daughter now goes to the same high school we did. The school backs onto bushland. I was saying I can’t ever remember having a fire drill, never mind the school closing. She replied that the school isn’t closing as yet but they’re on high alert… Teenagers you know.

Meanwhile, Mini Me’s school for next year also backs onto bushland and they have lockdown procedures, drills and will even keep kids inside if there’s a severe storm at pick up time.

Times change, eh.

Divine Angel said:

I was just talking to a school friend, whose daughter now goes to the same high school we did. The school backs onto bushland. I was saying I can’t ever remember having a fire drill, never mind the school closing. She replied that the school isn’t closing as yet but they’re on high alert… Teenagers you know.

Meanwhile, Mini Me’s school for next year also backs onto bushland and they have lockdown procedures, drills and will even keep kids inside if there’s a severe storm at pick up time.

Times change, eh.

when I was at school if the temperatures reached 40 we were allowed to go home from school. So in the hottest part of the day you had a bunch of primary school kids walking home to (likely – certainly in my case) empty homes.. it was great when grown ups taught resilience.

We had rumours that we would be sent home if the temp hit (insert arbitrary number here), but it never happened.

One particularly hot day, we did PE. My face was red when mum picked me up; she stormed into the teachers’ room and told them it was completely unacceptable for us to be outside playing sport in this heat. Then again, on a hot day, my face will turn red if I walk to the letterbox, so it’s no great indication of heat distress.

Divine Angel said:

We had rumours that we would be sent home if the temp hit (insert arbitrary number here), but it never happened.

One particularly hot day, we did PE. My face was red when mum picked me up; she stormed into the teachers’ room and told them it was completely unacceptable for us to be outside playing sport in this heat. Then again, on a hot day, my face will turn red if I walk to the letterbox, so it’s no great indication of heat distress.

I remember it happening exactly once.

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

I was just talking to a school friend, whose daughter now goes to the same high school we did. The school backs onto bushland. I was saying I can’t ever remember having a fire drill, never mind the school closing. She replied that the school isn’t closing as yet but they’re on high alert… Teenagers you know.

Meanwhile, Mini Me’s school for next year also backs onto bushland and they have lockdown procedures, drills and will even keep kids inside if there’s a severe storm at pick up time.

Times change, eh.

when I was at school if the temperatures reached 40 we were allowed to go home from school. So in the hottest part of the day you had a bunch of primary school kids walking home to (likely – certainly in my case) empty homes.. it was great when grown ups taught resilience.

opposite when I went to school in England. battle your way through snowdrifts and school cancelled due to the roads being either closed or too dangerous.

Boris said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

I was just talking to a school friend, whose daughter now goes to the same high school we did. The school backs onto bushland. I was saying I can’t ever remember having a fire drill, never mind the school closing. She replied that the school isn’t closing as yet but they’re on high alert… Teenagers you know.

Meanwhile, Mini Me’s school for next year also backs onto bushland and they have lockdown procedures, drills and will even keep kids inside if there’s a severe storm at pick up time.

Times change, eh.

when I was at school if the temperatures reached 40 we were allowed to go home from school. So in the hottest part of the day you had a bunch of primary school kids walking home to (likely – certainly in my case) empty homes.. it was great when grown ups taught resilience.

opposite when I went to school in England. battle your way through snowdrifts and school cancelled due to the roads being either closed or too dangerous.

The Russians send the kids home at -50°

Tamb said:

Boris said:

Arts said:

when I was at school if the temperatures reached 40 we were allowed to go home from school. So in the hottest part of the day you had a bunch of primary school kids walking home to (likely – certainly in my case) empty homes.. it was great when grown ups taught resilience.

opposite when I went to school in England. battle your way through snowdrifts and school cancelled due to the roads being either closed or too dangerous.

The Russians send the kids home at -50°

with just a small quart of vodka

Tamb said:

Boris said:

Arts said:

when I was at school if the temperatures reached 40 we were allowed to go home from school. So in the hottest part of the day you had a bunch of primary school kids walking home to (likely – certainly in my case) empty homes.. it was great when grown ups taught resilience.

opposite when I went to school in England. battle your way through snowdrifts and school cancelled due to the roads being either closed or too dangerous.

The Russians send the kids home at -50°

soft.

Arts said:

Tamb said:

Boris said:

opposite when I went to school in England. battle your way through snowdrifts and school cancelled due to the roads being either closed or too dangerous.

The Russians send the kids home at -50°

with just a small quart of vodka

A small quart would be a litre.

Tamb said:

Arts said:

Tamb said:

The Russians send the kids home at -50°

with just a small quart of vodka

A small quart would be a litre.

hardly enough for a growing Russian child.

Everyone needs to heed the fire service warnings to prepare, to have a plan, and to leave early if you’re not properly prepared. Know that the best firefighters in the world – volunteer and paid – will be out in force from NSW agencies and interstate to do battle with the worst that an angry Mother Nature can throw at us. But as we saw on Friday, the sheer scale and ferocity of mega fires can defy even the best efforts.

In the past I’ve have heard some federal politicians dodge the question of the influence of climate change on extreme weather and fires by saying, “It’s terrible that this matter is being raised while the fires are still burning.” But if not now, then when?

“Unprecedented” is a word that we are hearing a lot: from fire chiefs, politicians, and the weather bureau. I have just returned from California where I spoke to fire chiefs still battling unseasonal fires. The same word, “unprecedented”, came up.

Unprecedented dryness; reductions in long-term rainfall; low humidity; high temperatures; wind velocities; fire danger indices; fire spread and ferocity; instances of pyro-convective fires (fire storms – making their own weather); early starts and late finishes to bushfire seasons. An established long-term trend driven by a warming, drying climate. The numbers don’t lie, and the science is clear.

If anyone tells you, “This is part of a normal cycle” or “We’ve had fires like this before”, smile politely and walk away, because they don’t know what they’re talking about.

In NSW, our worst fire years were almost always during an El Nino event, and major property losses generally occurred from late November to February. Based on more than a century of weather observations our official fire danger season is legislated from October 1 to March 31. During the 2000s though, major fires have regularly started in August and September, and sometimes go through to April.

The October 2013 fires that destroyed more than 200 homes were the earliest large-loss fires in NSW history – again, not during an El Nino.

This year, by the beginning of November, we had already lost about as many homes as during the disastrous 2001-2002 bushfire season. We’ve now eclipsed 1994 fire losses.

Fires are burning in places and at intensities never before experienced – rainforests in northern NSW, tropical Queensland, and the formerly wet old-growth forests in Tasmania.

On Friday, the NSW Rural Fire Service sent out an alert that fires were creating thunderstorms – pyro-convective events. In my 47 years of fighting fires I don’t remember this happening much. Now it happens quite regularly. On Friday, the atmosphere was relatively stable and therefore shouldn’t have been conducive to these wildly unpredictable and dangerous events. Yet it happened. Unprecedented.

The drought we are facing is more intense than the Millennium Drought, with higher levels of evaporation due to higher temperatures. This has dried out the bush and made it easier for fires to start, easier for them to spread quickly, and as we saw on Friday, enabling spot fires to start twice as far ahead of the main fires as we would normally expect.

Warmer, drier conditions with higher fire danger are preventing agencies from conducting as much hazard reduction burning – it is often either too wet, or too dry and windy to burn safely. Blaming “greenies” for stopping these important measures is a familiar, populist, but basically untrue claim.

Together with 22 other retired fire and emergency service chiefs, I spoke out earlier this year. We felt we had a duty to tell people how climate change is super-charging our natural disaster risks. I wish we were wrong, but we’re not.

I’m confident that our national government, when the smoke and dust settles, will finally see the obvious and understand the word “unprecedented”. I’m sure it will then start to take decisive action to tackle the base cause – greenhouse emissions – then use the high moral ground to lean on other countries to also do the right thing.

In the meantime, please, please play it safe, and act on the vital fire service warnings.

Greg Mullins is a former Fire and Rescue NSW commissioner and a councillor on the Climate Council.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/this-is-not-normal-what-s-different-about-the-nsw-mega-fires-20191110-p5395e.html

Arts said:

Tamb said:

Arts said:

with just a small quart of vodka

A small quart would be a litre.

hardly enough for a growing Russian child.

Why wouldn’t it be a pint?

sarahs mum said:

Everyone needs to heed the fire service warnings to prepare, to have a plan, and to leave early if you’re not properly prepared. Know that the best firefighters in the world – volunteer and paid – will be out in force from NSW agencies and interstate to do battle with the worst that an angry Mother Nature can throw at us. But as we saw on Friday, the sheer scale and ferocity of mega fires can defy even the best efforts.

In the past I’ve have heard some federal politicians dodge the question of the influence of climate change on extreme weather and fires by saying, “It’s terrible that this matter is being raised while the fires are still burning.” But if not now, then when?

“Unprecedented” is a word that we are hearing a lot: from fire chiefs, politicians, and the weather bureau. I have just returned from California where I spoke to fire chiefs still battling unseasonal fires. The same word, “unprecedented”, came up.

Unprecedented dryness; reductions in long-term rainfall; low humidity; high temperatures; wind velocities; fire danger indices; fire spread and ferocity; instances of pyro-convective fires (fire storms – making their own weather); early starts and late finishes to bushfire seasons. An established long-term trend driven by a warming, drying climate. The numbers don’t lie, and the science is clear.

If anyone tells you, “This is part of a normal cycle” or “We’ve had fires like this before”, smile politely and walk away, because they don’t know what they’re talking about.

In NSW, our worst fire years were almost always during an El Nino event, and major property losses generally occurred from late November to February. Based on more than a century of weather observations our official fire danger season is legislated from October 1 to March 31. During the 2000s though, major fires have regularly started in August and September, and sometimes go through to April.

The October 2013 fires that destroyed more than 200 homes were the earliest large-loss fires in NSW history – again, not during an El Nino.

This year, by the beginning of November, we had already lost about as many homes as during the disastrous 2001-2002 bushfire season. We’ve now eclipsed 1994 fire losses.

Fires are burning in places and at intensities never before experienced – rainforests in northern NSW, tropical Queensland, and the formerly wet old-growth forests in Tasmania.

On Friday, the NSW Rural Fire Service sent out an alert that fires were creating thunderstorms – pyro-convective events. In my 47 years of fighting fires I don’t remember this happening much. Now it happens quite regularly. On Friday, the atmosphere was relatively stable and therefore shouldn’t have been conducive to these wildly unpredictable and dangerous events. Yet it happened. Unprecedented.

The drought we are facing is more intense than the Millennium Drought, with higher levels of evaporation due to higher temperatures. This has dried out the bush and made it easier for fires to start, easier for them to spread quickly, and as we saw on Friday, enabling spot fires to start twice as far ahead of the main fires as we would normally expect.

Warmer, drier conditions with higher fire danger are preventing agencies from conducting as much hazard reduction burning – it is often either too wet, or too dry and windy to burn safely. Blaming “greenies” for stopping these important measures is a familiar, populist, but basically untrue claim.

Together with 22 other retired fire and emergency service chiefs, I spoke out earlier this year. We felt we had a duty to tell people how climate change is super-charging our natural disaster risks. I wish we were wrong, but we’re not.

I’m confident that our national government, when the smoke and dust settles, will finally see the obvious and understand the word “unprecedented”. I’m sure it will then start to take decisive action to tackle the base cause – greenhouse emissions – then use the high moral ground to lean on other countries to also do the right thing.

In the meantime, please, please play it safe, and act on the vital fire service warnings.

Greg Mullins is a former Fire and Rescue NSW commissioner and a councillor on the Climate Council.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/this-is-not-normal-what-s-different-about-the-nsw-mega-fires-20191110-p5395e.html

Well put.

I’m not sure if you had the pleasure of hearing our deputy prime minister, Michael McCormack, on the wireless before 8am on Monday decrying the ravings of people he categorised as “pure, enlightened and woke capital-city greenies”. These would be the people daring to link catastrophic bushfires and climate change.

In case you missed this sequence, our Michael rose, ate the sensible man’s breakfast presumably, and then fell into a passion in an ABC radio studio. The leader of the Nationals noted that sure, the onset of the fire season this year was “a tad early”, but we’d had fires in Australia “since time began”. He felt people battling a state of emergency needed help and shelter, not “ravings” or political point-scoring from Richard Di Natale and Adam Bandt.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/11/dear-michael-mccormack-the-only-raving-lunatics-are-those-not-worrying-about-climate-change
—-

In a country where the bush and the city meet at many locations and where tomorrow there is a catastrophic warning for all of the Sydney and Hunter basins. What is that? Like 30% of the nations population?

sarahs mum said:

I’m not sure if you had the pleasure of hearing our deputy prime minister, Michael McCormack, on the wireless before 8am on Monday decrying the ravings of people he categorised as “pure, enlightened and woke capital-city greenies”. These would be the people daring to link catastrophic bushfires and climate change.

In case you missed this sequence, our Michael rose, ate the sensible man’s breakfast presumably, and then fell into a passion in an ABC radio studio. The leader of the Nationals noted that sure, the onset of the fire season this year was “a tad early”, but we’d had fires in Australia “since time began”. He felt people battling a state of emergency needed help and shelter, not “ravings” or political point-scoring from Richard Di Natale and Adam Bandt.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/11/dear-michael-mccormack-the-only-raving-lunatics-are-those-not-worrying-about-climate-change
—-

In a country where the bush and the city meet at many locations and where tomorrow there is a catastrophic warning for all of the Sydney and Hunter basins. What is that? Like 30% of the nations population?

I think Ross Garnaut makes a very valid argument here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/australia-could-fall-apart-climate-change-theres-a-way-to-avoid/11673836

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m not sure if you had the pleasure of hearing our deputy prime minister, Michael McCormack, on the wireless before 8am on Monday decrying the ravings of people he categorised as “pure, enlightened and woke capital-city greenies”. These would be the people daring to link catastrophic bushfires and climate change.

In case you missed this sequence, our Michael rose, ate the sensible man’s breakfast presumably, and then fell into a passion in an ABC radio studio. The leader of the Nationals noted that sure, the onset of the fire season this year was “a tad early”, but we’d had fires in Australia “since time began”. He felt people battling a state of emergency needed help and shelter, not “ravings” or political point-scoring from Richard Di Natale and Adam Bandt.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/11/dear-michael-mccormack-the-only-raving-lunatics-are-those-not-worrying-about-climate-change
—-

In a country where the bush and the city meet at many locations and where tomorrow there is a catastrophic warning for all of the Sydney and Hunter basins. What is that? Like 30% of the nations population?

I think Ross Garnaut makes a very valid argument here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/australia-could-fall-apart-climate-change-theres-a-way-to-avoid/11673836

“We must get with the Paris program”

But we are getting with the US who are getting out.

https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/6484754/leave-the-mountains-says-rfs-chief/

My grandkids school will be closed tomorrow too, they just announced. That is on the other side of the reserve opposite me. I have a beach to evacuate to, so all good.There has been a firebug at Pearl Beach in the last couple of weeks, so I think precautions are good.

Boris said:

https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/6484754/leave-the-mountains-says-rfs-chief/

Oh..:(

Can i just mention again..shutting down Leura fire station? Whose right mind?

Boris said:

https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/6484754/leave-the-mountains-says-rfs-chief/

During the 2003 fires, I was living in Bowral. Mum came down for a weekend stay, didn’t leave for over a week before it was too dangerous and uncertain to return to her house.

As I said earlier in the thread, in all my years of schooling, the school was never closed due to bushfire threat.

Divine Angel said:

Boris said:

https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/6484754/leave-the-mountains-says-rfs-chief/

During the 2003 fires, I was living in Bowral. Mum came down for a weekend stay, didn’t leave for over a week before it was too dangerous and uncertain to return to her house.

As I said earlier in the thread, in all my years of schooling, the school was never closed due to bushfire threat.

These are the most widespread fires I can recall.

I’m gonna have to avoid media coverage tomorrow. Just reading that and thinking of my friends still living in the Mts has heightened my anxiety.

The RFS said “catastrophic” conditions were expected in Greater Sydney and the Greater Hunter on Tuesday, before extending the warning to the Illawarra and Shoalhaven.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-11/nsw-bushfires-850000-hectares-destroyed-worst-to-come/11691038

Divine Angel said:

I’m gonna have to avoid media coverage tomorrow. Just reading that and thinking of my friends still living in the Mts has heightened my anxiety.

DA This is the Qld map. I’m sure there is a NSW one. It isn’t media driven so you just get facts.

so who shall we blame for not fuel reduction burning this time

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

I’m gonna have to avoid media coverage tomorrow. Just reading that and thinking of my friends still living in the Mts has heightened my anxiety.

DA This is the Qld map. I’m sure there is a NSW one. It isn’t media driven so you just get facts.

Thanks Tamb. I’m following fact-only QFES on facebook. If I don’t recognise the town mentioned, I know I’m all good!

SCIENCE said:

so who shall we blame for not fuel reduction burning this time

That’s the thing. If we have big fires now, we won’t have another bad season for a few years!

SCIENCE said:

so who shall we blame for not fuel reduction burning this time

No one in FNQ. We did ours a couple of months ago.

Divine Angel said:

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

I’m gonna have to avoid media coverage tomorrow. Just reading that and thinking of my friends still living in the Mts has heightened my anxiety.

DA This is the Qld map. I’m sure there is a NSW one. It isn’t media driven so you just get facts.

Thanks Tamb. I’m following fact-only QFES on facebook. If I don’t recognise the town mentioned, I know I’m all good!

QFES is a good source too.

SCIENCE said:

so who shall we blame for not fuel reduction burning this time

Not the Greens. It doesn’t matter how many times this idea is shared by bitter people it remains untrue.

(The Tasmanian Greens have been very pro plantation. Dunalley is a good reason to be very wary about plantations close to townships. But we shall let that slip. Everyone has.)

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

so who shall we blame for not fuel reduction burning this time

Not the Greens. It doesn’t matter how many times this idea is shared by bitter people it remains untrue.

(The Tasmanian Greens have been very pro plantation. Dunalley is a good reason to be very wary about plantations close to townships. But we shall let that slip. Everyone has.)

Are they pro or against hazard/fuel reduction?

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

so who shall we blame for not fuel reduction burning this time

Not the Greens. It doesn’t matter how many times this idea is shared by bitter people it remains untrue.

(The Tasmanian Greens have been very pro plantation. Dunalley is a good reason to be very wary about plantations close to townships. But we shall let that slip. Everyone has.)

Are they pro or against hazard/fuel reduction?

Pro.
And it seems they are forced to say that over and over and over again.

sarahs mum said:

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

Not the Greens. It doesn’t matter how many times this idea is shared by bitter people it remains untrue.

(The Tasmanian Greens have been very pro plantation. Dunalley is a good reason to be very wary about plantations close to townships. But we shall let that slip. Everyone has.)

Are they pro or against hazard/fuel reduction?

Pro.
And it seems they are forced to say that over and over and over again.

I asked because I haven’t seen them say it. Thank you for the info.

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/local-raving-inner-city-lunatic-asks-an-invisible-sky-man-to-stop-the-bush-fires/?fbclid=IwAR3V7so24VLSs_MmFGfMIcrD-kIkb3Zs5LrfAz-IR5tMuVrF_xWYVGaHONg

https://www.facebook.com/larissawaters/videos/2462324517355224/

Larissa Waters
19 mins ·

Thoughts and prayers are not enough to protect the Australian community from future megafires. We need science and we need urgent action from government that will reduce carbon pollution, create tens of thousands of jobs and stop climate breakdown.

A heartfelt thanks to everyone putting their lives on the line to contain these unprecedented fires, and all the people supporting them right now. We cannot let catastrophe become the new normal!

—-

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/11/weve-been-in-bushfire-hell-in-glen-innes-and-the-scientists-knew-it-was-coming

Heeding the advice of fire controllers and decades of scientific reports, Glen Innes Severn council last month declared a climate emergency. As the New South Wales government itself has now declared, those emergency conditions extend far beyond our shire borders and touch every community across the state.

Within our borders we have seen a magnificent, humane and unstinting response from the Rural Fire Service, State Emergency Service, Red Cross, Salvation Army, NSW Police, Glen Innes Severn council employees, fellow councillors, the deputy mayor Dianne Newman and hundreds of community volunteers who for months now have done everything from sweep gutters to pitch tents to butter bread for sandwiches.
Throughout this time, every effort has been made to prepare and defend both private and public properties in my community of Wytaliba NSW, which last week succumbed to merciless physics that pay no heed to opinion, nor folklore, nor politics.

Members of my family are in hospital. Two community members, my neighbours for decades, are lost to us. We have lost dozens of homes beloved by hundreds of people. An entire community has been all but wiped off the map.

In the face of this tragedy already I have received a personal message of support from the NSW governor, Margaret Beazley, for whose humane and wise words I am most humbly grateful, and for whose leadership of the state of NSW we are together all indebted.

Alongside everyone in this community, I also welcome the commitment of our state member for Northern Tablelands, Adam Marshall, to the re-building of Wytaliba public school, a much-loved public school which burned to the ground on the same day that the federal government announced that only private schools will share in $10m of drought support funding.

While all this is a personal tragedy for my family and myself, it is but one story within an unfolding statewide and global disaster, about which our community deserves nothing less than the honest and unvarnished truth.

There are already those who, following such statements, will aim to shoot the messenger. To those people I say this: take your best shot, for I have already been through hell and there is nothing you can say or do that can touch me now.

But for the sake of the future, for the sake of our community and the rising generation who will inherit this scorched Earth, one can only hope there will be enough people remaining who retain the common decency to listen, to heed the cries of those in harm’s way, who will now together take decisive and collective action to save our ecosystem and our civilisation from collapse.

Already there are armchair experts ready with free advice about meeting with disaster. Let it be made perfectly clear that all the area that burned has already been a fire-ground for two months. There were hazard reduction and backburns under state authority last month and last year. The properties were all well-prepared and extensively defended. People who have lived with fire risk for decades knew exactly what to do, and they did it. The full expertise and advice of fire controllers has been heeded at every turn.

I’ll put my 20 year Rural Fire Service medal up against your free advice any day of the week.

The anger is real. The anger is justified. Because this disaster was all foreseen and predicted. For decades the link between a hotter, drier climate, land-clearing, excessive irrigation and increased fire risk have all been attested in scientific papers.

Equally for decades there have been those who insist they know better. Their ignorance and arrogance have delivered us only ashes – let these now be swept away.

Instead, we will turn towards the sober and sensible measures recommended by fire controllers, and by scientists. We will insist that governments at all levels take heed of that advice, for we have seen now up-close the result when they do not.

We turn to those governments now to seek what support is needed and available to assist these devastated communities to get back on their feet. To protect these communities from future harm by curbing climate change. To commit to a saner, safer world where we measure our progress in terms of sustainability, and our wealth in terms of community.

In the face of disaster, everyone learns something about themselves and the people around them. What, I wonder, will be the lesson learnt from this disaster? That remains to be seen. But for now it is the words attributed to Winston Churchill that are salutary: “if you’re going through hell, keep going.”

• Carol Sparks is the mayor of Glen Innes Severn council

ruby said:

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/local-raving-inner-city-lunatic-asks-an-invisible-sky-man-to-stop-the-bush-fires/?fbclid=IwAR3V7so24VLSs_MmFGfMIcrD-kIkb3Zs5LrfAz-IR5tMuVrF_xWYVGaHONg

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/headlines/shorten-feeling-kind-of-relieved-that-he-didnt-catch-this-hospital-pass/

figured it might

ruby said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/11/weve-been-in-bushfire-hell-in-glen-innes-and-the-scientists-knew-it-was-coming

Heeding the advice of fire controllers and decades of scientific reports, Glen Innes Severn council last month declared a climate emergency. As the New South Wales government itself has now declared, those emergency conditions extend far beyond our shire borders and touch every community across the state.

Within our borders we have seen a magnificent, humane and unstinting response from the Rural Fire Service, State Emergency Service, Red Cross, Salvation Army, NSW Police, Glen Innes Severn council employees, fellow councillors, the deputy mayor Dianne Newman and hundreds of community volunteers who for months now have done everything from sweep gutters to pitch tents to butter bread for sandwiches.
Throughout this time, every effort has been made to prepare and defend both private and public properties in my community of Wytaliba NSW, which last week succumbed to merciless physics that pay no heed to opinion, nor folklore, nor politics.

Members of my family are in hospital. Two community members, my neighbours for decades, are lost to us. We have lost dozens of homes beloved by hundreds of people. An entire community has been all but wiped off the map.

In the face of this tragedy already I have received a personal message of support from the NSW governor, Margaret Beazley, for whose humane and wise words I am most humbly grateful, and for whose leadership of the state of NSW we are together all indebted.

Alongside everyone in this community, I also welcome the commitment of our state member for Northern Tablelands, Adam Marshall, to the re-building of Wytaliba public school, a much-loved public school which burned to the ground on the same day that the federal government announced that only private schools will share in $10m of drought support funding.

While all this is a personal tragedy for my family and myself, it is but one story within an unfolding statewide and global disaster, about which our community deserves nothing less than the honest and unvarnished truth.

There are already those who, following such statements, will aim to shoot the messenger. To those people I say this: take your best shot, for I have already been through hell and there is nothing you can say or do that can touch me now.

But for the sake of the future, for the sake of our community and the rising generation who will inherit this scorched Earth, one can only hope there will be enough people remaining who retain the common decency to listen, to heed the cries of those in harm’s way, who will now together take decisive and collective action to save our ecosystem and our civilisation from collapse.

Already there are armchair experts ready with free advice about meeting with disaster. Let it be made perfectly clear that all the area that burned has already been a fire-ground for two months. There were hazard reduction and backburns under state authority last month and last year. The properties were all well-prepared and extensively defended. People who have lived with fire risk for decades knew exactly what to do, and they did it. The full expertise and advice of fire controllers has been heeded at every turn.

I’ll put my 20 year Rural Fire Service medal up against your free advice any day of the week.

The anger is real. The anger is justified. Because this disaster was all foreseen and predicted. For decades the link between a hotter, drier climate, land-clearing, excessive irrigation and increased fire risk have all been attested in scientific papers.

Equally for decades there have been those who insist they know better. Their ignorance and arrogance have delivered us only ashes – let these now be swept away.

Instead, we will turn towards the sober and sensible measures recommended by fire controllers, and by scientists. We will insist that governments at all levels take heed of that advice, for we have seen now up-close the result when they do not.

We turn to those governments now to seek what support is needed and available to assist these devastated communities to get back on their feet. To protect these communities from future harm by curbing climate change. To commit to a saner, safer world where we measure our progress in terms of sustainability, and our wealth in terms of community.

In the face of disaster, everyone learns something about themselves and the people around them. What, I wonder, will be the lesson learnt from this disaster? That remains to be seen. But for now it is the words attributed to Winston Churchill that are salutary: “if you’re going through hell, keep going.”

• Carol Sparks is the mayor of Glen Innes Severn council

Such beautiful words. *insert heart emoticon here.

sarahs mum said:

ruby said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/11/weve-been-in-bushfire-hell-in-glen-innes-and-the-scientists-knew-it-was-coming

Heeding the advice of fire controllers and decades of scientific reports, Glen Innes Severn council last month declared a climate emergency. As the New South Wales government itself has now declared, those emergency conditions extend far beyond our shire borders and touch every community across the state.

Within our borders we have seen a magnificent, humane and unstinting response from the Rural Fire Service, State Emergency Service, Red Cross, Salvation Army, NSW Police, Glen Innes Severn council employees, fellow councillors, the deputy mayor Dianne Newman and hundreds of community volunteers who for months now have done everything from sweep gutters to pitch tents to butter bread for sandwiches.
Throughout this time, every effort has been made to prepare and defend both private and public properties in my community of Wytaliba NSW, which last week succumbed to merciless physics that pay no heed to opinion, nor folklore, nor politics.

Members of my family are in hospital. Two community members, my neighbours for decades, are lost to us. We have lost dozens of homes beloved by hundreds of people. An entire community has been all but wiped off the map.

In the face of this tragedy already I have received a personal message of support from the NSW governor, Margaret Beazley, for whose humane and wise words I am most humbly grateful, and for whose leadership of the state of NSW we are together all indebted.

Alongside everyone in this community, I also welcome the commitment of our state member for Northern Tablelands, Adam Marshall, to the re-building of Wytaliba public school, a much-loved public school which burned to the ground on the same day that the federal government announced that only private schools will share in $10m of drought support funding.

While all this is a personal tragedy for my family and myself, it is but one story within an unfolding statewide and global disaster, about which our community deserves nothing less than the honest and unvarnished truth.

There are already those who, following such statements, will aim to shoot the messenger. To those people I say this: take your best shot, for I have already been through hell and there is nothing you can say or do that can touch me now.

But for the sake of the future, for the sake of our community and the rising generation who will inherit this scorched Earth, one can only hope there will be enough people remaining who retain the common decency to listen, to heed the cries of those in harm’s way, who will now together take decisive and collective action to save our ecosystem and our civilisation from collapse.

Already there are armchair experts ready with free advice about meeting with disaster. Let it be made perfectly clear that all the area that burned has already been a fire-ground for two months. There were hazard reduction and backburns under state authority last month and last year. The properties were all well-prepared and extensively defended. People who have lived with fire risk for decades knew exactly what to do, and they did it. The full expertise and advice of fire controllers has been heeded at every turn.

I’ll put my 20 year Rural Fire Service medal up against your free advice any day of the week.

The anger is real. The anger is justified. Because this disaster was all foreseen and predicted. For decades the link between a hotter, drier climate, land-clearing, excessive irrigation and increased fire risk have all been attested in scientific papers.

Equally for decades there have been those who insist they know better. Their ignorance and arrogance have delivered us only ashes – let these now be swept away.

Instead, we will turn towards the sober and sensible measures recommended by fire controllers, and by scientists. We will insist that governments at all levels take heed of that advice, for we have seen now up-close the result when they do not.

We turn to those governments now to seek what support is needed and available to assist these devastated communities to get back on their feet. To protect these communities from future harm by curbing climate change. To commit to a saner, safer world where we measure our progress in terms of sustainability, and our wealth in terms of community.

In the face of disaster, everyone learns something about themselves and the people around them. What, I wonder, will be the lesson learnt from this disaster? That remains to be seen. But for now it is the words attributed to Winston Churchill that are salutary: “if you’re going through hell, keep going.”

• Carol Sparks is the mayor of Glen Innes Severn council

Such beautiful words. *insert heart emoticon here.

Thanks Ruby. Stolen for social media.

sarahs mum said:

ruby said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/11/weve-been-in-bushfire-hell-in-glen-innes-and-the-scientists-knew-it-was-coming

Heeding the advice of fire controllers and decades of scientific reports, Glen Innes Severn council last month declared a climate emergency. As the New South Wales government itself has now declared, those emergency conditions extend far beyond our shire borders and touch every community across the state.

Within our borders we have seen a magnificent, humane and unstinting response from the Rural Fire Service, State Emergency Service, Red Cross, Salvation Army, NSW Police, Glen Innes Severn council employees, fellow councillors, the deputy mayor Dianne Newman and hundreds of community volunteers who for months now have done everything from sweep gutters to pitch tents to butter bread for sandwiches.
Throughout this time, every effort has been made to prepare and defend both private and public properties in my community of Wytaliba NSW, which last week succumbed to merciless physics that pay no heed to opinion, nor folklore, nor politics.

Members of my family are in hospital. Two community members, my neighbours for decades, are lost to us. We have lost dozens of homes beloved by hundreds of people. An entire community has been all but wiped off the map.

In the face of this tragedy already I have received a personal message of support from the NSW governor, Margaret Beazley, for whose humane and wise words I am most humbly grateful, and for whose leadership of the state of NSW we are together all indebted.

Alongside everyone in this community, I also welcome the commitment of our state member for Northern Tablelands, Adam Marshall, to the re-building of Wytaliba public school, a much-loved public school which burned to the ground on the same day that the federal government announced that only private schools will share in $10m of drought support funding.

While all this is a personal tragedy for my family and myself, it is but one story within an unfolding statewide and global disaster, about which our community deserves nothing less than the honest and unvarnished truth.

There are already those who, following such statements, will aim to shoot the messenger. To those people I say this: take your best shot, for I have already been through hell and there is nothing you can say or do that can touch me now.

But for the sake of the future, for the sake of our community and the rising generation who will inherit this scorched Earth, one can only hope there will be enough people remaining who retain the common decency to listen, to heed the cries of those in harm’s way, who will now together take decisive and collective action to save our ecosystem and our civilisation from collapse.

Already there are armchair experts ready with free advice about meeting with disaster. Let it be made perfectly clear that all the area that burned has already been a fire-ground for two months. There were hazard reduction and backburns under state authority last month and last year. The properties were all well-prepared and extensively defended. People who have lived with fire risk for decades knew exactly what to do, and they did it. The full expertise and advice of fire controllers has been heeded at every turn.

I’ll put my 20 year Rural Fire Service medal up against your free advice any day of the week.

The anger is real. The anger is justified. Because this disaster was all foreseen and predicted. For decades the link between a hotter, drier climate, land-clearing, excessive irrigation and increased fire risk have all been attested in scientific papers.

Equally for decades there have been those who insist they know better. Their ignorance and arrogance have delivered us only ashes – let these now be swept away.

Instead, we will turn towards the sober and sensible measures recommended by fire controllers, and by scientists. We will insist that governments at all levels take heed of that advice, for we have seen now up-close the result when they do not.

We turn to those governments now to seek what support is needed and available to assist these devastated communities to get back on their feet. To protect these communities from future harm by curbing climate change. To commit to a saner, safer world where we measure our progress in terms of sustainability, and our wealth in terms of community.

In the face of disaster, everyone learns something about themselves and the people around them. What, I wonder, will be the lesson learnt from this disaster? That remains to be seen. But for now it is the words attributed to Winston Churchill that are salutary: “if you’re going through hell, keep going.”

• Carol Sparks is the mayor of Glen Innes Severn council

Such beautiful words. ❤

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

ruby said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/11/weve-been-in-bushfire-hell-in-glen-innes-and-the-scientists-knew-it-was-coming

In the face of this tragedy already I have received a personal message of support from the NSW governor, Margaret Beazley, for whose humane and wise words I am most humbly grateful, and for whose leadership of the state of NSW we are together all indebted.

Such beautiful words. *insert heart emoticon here.

Thanks Ruby. Stolen for social media.

Good words, huh. Plenty of thought went into that, but no prayers I expect.
Fun fact of the day, our MissCarol went to school with the above mentioned Margaret Beazley!

thanks Boris

Saying things like “our thought’s and prayers are with you at this time” is and has been a normal thing to say to people in distress.
If the far left have a problem with it I don’t give a shit, they need to get over themselves.
If they don’t want to say that then that’s fine but stop trying to browbeat people who are genuinely trying to convey their empathy for the plight of others in their own way.
I think the populous will judge anyone harshly when the try and use sympathy as a vehicle to foster their ideology agenda.

Peak Warming Man said:

Saying things like “our thought’s and prayers are with you at this time” is and has been a normal thing to say to people in distress.
If the far left have a problem with it I don’t give a shit, they need to get over themselves.
If they don’t want to say that then that’s fine but stop trying to browbeat people who are genuinely trying to convey their empathy for the plight of others in their own way.
I think the populous will judge anyone harshly when the try and use sympathy as a vehicle to foster their ideology agenda.

bullshit. if it clouds their judgement of governing for all australia then they can fuck off with their t&p.

Thoughts and prayers is ripe for piss taking, I’ll have to remember to do more of it. Does it matter who says it?

Peak Warming Man said:

Saying things like “our thought’s and prayers are with you at this time” is and has been a normal thing to say to people in distress.
If the far left have a problem with it I don’t give a shit, they need to get over themselves.
If they don’t want to say that then that’s fine but stop trying to browbeat people who are genuinely trying to convey their empathy for the plight of others in their own way.
I think the populous will judge anyone harshly when the try and use sympathy as a vehicle to foster their ideology agenda.

There are ways of framing the idea of offering compassion without going the ‘thoughts and prayers’ route. The phrase is so overused by Americans that the meaning has almost twisted into ‘Shrug. Suck it up.’

Peak Warming Man said:

Saying things like “our thought’s and prayers are with you at this time” is and has been a normal thing to say to people in distress.
If the far left have a problem with it I don’t give a shit, they need to get over themselves.
If they don’t want to say that then that’s fine but stop trying to browbeat people who are genuinely trying to convey their empathy for the plight of others in their own way.
I think the populous will judge anyone harshly when the try and use sympathy as a vehicle to foster their ideology agenda.

it is not a ‘far left” thing. it is a gun control thing. It is politicians saying “but we are not going to do anything to fix this”.

Any political adviser worth there salt would know this by now and advise some different wording. Politicians who insist on using it risk making a parody of themselves.

Words and phrases change meaning over time.

AwesomeO said:

Thoughts and prayers is ripe for piss taking, I’ll have to remember to do more of it. Does it matter who says it?

it has become a meaningless platitude and an excuse to do nothing. see gun massacres in the US for examle.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Saying things like “our thought’s and prayers are with you at this time” is and has been a normal thing to say to people in distress.
If the far left have a problem with it I don’t give a shit, they need to get over themselves.
If they don’t want to say that then that’s fine but stop trying to browbeat people who are genuinely trying to convey their empathy for the plight of others in their own way.
I think the populous will judge anyone harshly when the try and use sympathy as a vehicle to foster their ideology agenda.

it is not a ‘far left” thing. it is a gun control thing. It is politicians saying “but we are not going to do anything to fix this”.

Any political adviser worth there salt would know this by now and advise some different wording. Politicians who insist on using it risk making a parody of themselves.

Words and phrases change meaning over time.

I guess all us lefties have read from the same hymn book.

:-)

Boris said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Saying things like “our thought’s and prayers are with you at this time” is and has been a normal thing to say to people in distress.
If the far left have a problem with it I don’t give a shit, they need to get over themselves.
If they don’t want to say that then that’s fine but stop trying to browbeat people who are genuinely trying to convey their empathy for the plight of others in their own way.
I think the populous will judge anyone harshly when the try and use sympathy as a vehicle to foster their ideology agenda.

it is not a ‘far left” thing. it is a gun control thing. It is politicians saying “but we are not going to do anything to fix this”.

Any political adviser worth there salt would know this by now and advise some different wording. Politicians who insist on using it risk making a parody of themselves.

Words and phrases change meaning over time.

I guess all us lefties have read from the same hymn book.

:-)

I am not a lefty.

party_pants said:

Boris said:

party_pants said:

it is not a ‘far left” thing. it is a gun control thing. It is politicians saying “but we are not going to do anything to fix this”.

Any political adviser worth there salt would know this by now and advise some different wording. Politicians who insist on using it risk making a parody of themselves.

Words and phrases change meaning over time.

I guess all us lefties have read from the same hymn book.

:-)

I am not a lefty.

resistance is futile!

It’s just a means of conveying sympathy and has been for yonks.
It’s been used by politicians of all persuasions , general punters and dogs boddies for yonks.
And what’s more you can express your sympathy in those terms and also do everything in your power to help those in distress.
And as a Christian I’ll continue to use it and other sayings like “God bless you” and “Peace be with you”
And if you don’t like it I’ll pray for you.

Boris said:

party_pants said:

Boris said:

I guess all us lefties have read from the same hymn book.

:-)

I am not a lefty.

resistance is futile!

I am a lefty. But It is more than that. Statesmanship is about digging deeply, representing, using words in an appropriate manner.

Also Twitter does not seem to be an appropriate tool for statesmanship. But we Australians do pay for staff who should be smart enough to check some of this stuff.

sarahs mum said:

Boris said:

party_pants said:

I am not a lefty.

resistance is futile!

I am a lefty. But It is more than that. Statesmanship is about digging deeply, representing, using words in an appropriate manner.

Also Twitter does not seem to be an appropriate tool for statesmanship. But we Australians do pay for staff who should be smart enough to check some of this stuff.

Yep, knowing to say the right thing at the right time.

Did Barak Obama ever say “our thoughts and prayers etc”
Probably not because I never heard any outrage about it, or maybe he did and the vocal outraged left are just being politically selective and deep down they are really not that outraged at all, they are only feigning it for their covert political agenda.

Peak Warming Man said:

Did Barak Obama ever say “our thoughts and prayers etc”
Probably not because I never heard any outrage about it, or maybe he did and the vocal outraged left are just being politically selective and deep down they are really not that outraged at all, they are only feigning it for their covert political agenda.

3/10

Peak Warming Man said:

Did Barak Obama ever say “our thoughts and prayers etc”
Probably not because I never heard any outrage about it, or maybe he did and the vocal outraged left are just being politically selective and deep down they are really not that outraged at all, they are only feigning it for their covert political agenda.

he isn’t PM of australia.

Boris said:

sarahs mum said:

Boris said:

resistance is futile!

I am a lefty. But It is more than that. Statesmanship is about digging deeply, representing, using words in an appropriate manner.

Also Twitter does not seem to be an appropriate tool for statesmanship. But we Australians do pay for staff who should be smart enough to check some of this stuff.

Yep, knowing to say the right thing at the right time.

Also leadership is not about attacking the populace. McCormack today attacking all the city folk in one fell swoop is bad. Especially when there is a catastrophic for the Sydney, Hunter and Illawarra tomorrow. This is not leadership. I should be feeling like I am agreeing with what he says. Making war on the population is not leadership. He is not only supposed to representing his electorate. He is supposed to be representing Australians.

Peak Warming Man said:

Did Barak Obama ever say “our thoughts and prayers etc”
Probably not because I never heard any outrage about it, or maybe he did and the vocal outraged left are just being politically selective and deep down they are really not that outraged at all, they are only feigning it for their covert political agenda.

This is just getting silly.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/20/us/thoughts-and-prayers-florida-school-shooting-trnd/index.html

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Did Barak Obama ever say “our thoughts and prayers etc”
Probably not because I never heard any outrage about it, or maybe he did and the vocal outraged left are just being politically selective and deep down they are really not that outraged at all, they are only feigning it for their covert political agenda.

This is just getting silly.

It sure is.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/10/thoughts-and-prayers-vs-policy/542076/

sarahs mum said:

Boris said:

sarahs mum said:

I am a lefty. But It is more than that. Statesmanship is about digging deeply, representing, using words in an appropriate manner.

Also Twitter does not seem to be an appropriate tool for statesmanship. But we Australians do pay for staff who should be smart enough to check some of this stuff.

Yep, knowing to say the right thing at the right time.

Also leadership is not about attacking the populace. McCormack today attacking all the city folk in one fell swoop is bad. Especially when there is a catastrophic for the Sydney, Hunter and Illawarra tomorrow. This is not leadership. I should be feeling like I am agreeing with what he says. Making war on the population is not leadership. He is not only supposed to representing his electorate. He is supposed to be representing Australians.

Divide and conquer. Not only military strategy, but political strategy too.

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Did Barak Obama ever say “our thoughts and prayers etc”
Probably not because I never heard any outrage about it, or maybe he did and the vocal outraged left are just being politically selective and deep down they are really not that outraged at all, they are only feigning it for their covert political agenda.

This is just getting silly.

It sure is.

Morrison is going to cop crap no matter what he does…or doesn’t do. Lot of angry punters having an unexpected winter in the wilderness.

buffy said:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/10/thoughts-and-prayers-vs-policy/542076/

it is like ‘have a nice day”.

buffy said:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/10/thoughts-and-prayers-vs-policy/542076/

thanks Buffy

AwesomeO said:

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

This is just getting silly.

It sure is.

Morrison is going to cop crap no matter what he does…or doesn’t do. Lot of angry punters having an unexpected winter in the wilderness.

he is PM. Gillard copped heaps of crap, cant remember if you were outraged at that, and did more in her short term than the six years of the LNP.

I can’t remember hearing ‘thoughts and prayers’ before the American evangelist churches got into politics.

Boris said:

AwesomeO said:

Peak Warming Man said:

It sure is.

Morrison is going to cop crap no matter what he does…or doesn’t do. Lot of angry punters having an unexpected winter in the wilderness.

he is PM. Gillard copped heaps of crap, cant remember if you were outraged at that, and did more in her short term than the six years of the LNP.

Hehehe hardly said boo. No need. Plus this is a hostile environment.

buffy said:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/10/thoughts-and-prayers-vs-policy/542076/

Good article….
Echoing the sentiment expressed by President Barack Obama in 2015 that “thoughts and prayers not enough” after a mass shooting in Oregon—a claim which itself echoed the appeals of many after the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting and, in turn, those of still others after the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre, ad infinitum—Murphy tweeted, “To my colleagues: Your cowardice to act cannot be whitewashed by thoughts and prayers. None of this ends unless we do something to stop it.”

ruby said:

I can’t remember hearing ‘thoughts and prayers’ before the American evangelist churches got into politics.

+1

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?

AwesomeO said:

Boris said:

AwesomeO said:

Morrison is going to cop crap no matter what he does…or doesn’t do. Lot of angry punters having an unexpected winter in the wilderness.

he is PM. Gillard copped heaps of crap, cant remember if you were outraged at that, and did more in her short term than the six years of the LNP.

Hehehe hardly said boo. No need. Plus this is a hostile environment.

Scary lefties using sarcasm and logical argument….someone needs a hug.

Boris said:

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?

Good, let’s have a bible quote, to show them where they have missed the mark.

AwesomeO said:

Morrison is going to cop crap no matter what he does…or doesn’t do.

I bet he would not cop flak if he said, “I’m reversing the Federal cuts we’ve made to support for State fire services, and also making grants to replace the cuts made by Liberal state governments, and we’re also changing our reporting and planning to account for climate change as we were advised by all of the state fire commissioners. “

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/11/a-letter-to-my-home-town-bobin-burned-down-in-the-nsw-fires-but-unvanquished

ruby said:

AwesomeO said:

Boris said:

he is PM. Gillard copped heaps of crap, cant remember if you were outraged at that, and did more in her short term than the six years of the LNP.

Hehehe hardly said boo. No need. Plus this is a hostile environment.

Scary lefties using sarcasm and logical argument….someone needs a hug.

LOL.

:-)

Michael V said:

Boris said:

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?

Good, let’s have a bible quote, to show them where they have missed the mark.

I thought it apt.

:-)

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

Morrison is going to cop crap no matter what he does…or doesn’t do.

I bet he would not cop flak if he said, “I’m reversing the Federal cuts we’ve made to support for State fire services, and also making grants to replace the cuts made by Liberal state governments, and we’re also changing our reporting and planning to account for climate change as we were advised by all of the state fire commissioners. “

I bet you drink bespoke beer!

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

Morrison is going to cop crap no matter what he does…or doesn’t do.

I bet he would not cop flak if he said, “I’m reversing the Federal cuts we’ve made to support for State fire services, and also making grants to replace the cuts made by Liberal state governments, and we’re also changing our reporting and planning to account for climate change as we were advised by all of the state fire commissioners. “

I reckon that assessment is spot on.

ruby said:

AwesomeO said:

Boris said:

he is PM. Gillard copped heaps of crap, cant remember if you were outraged at that, and did more in her short term than the six years of the LNP.

Hehehe hardly said boo. No need. Plus this is a hostile environment.

Scary lefties using sarcasm and logical argument….someone needs a hug.

I actually agreed that thoughts and prayers was piss worthy, but that doesn’t mean outrage is not hypocritical and targeted.

Boris said:

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

Morrison is going to cop crap no matter what he does…or doesn’t do.

I bet he would not cop flak if he said, “I’m reversing the Federal cuts we’ve made to support for State fire services, and also making grants to replace the cuts made by Liberal state governments, and we’re also changing our reporting and planning to account for climate change as we were advised by all of the state fire commissioners. “

I bet you drink bespoke beer!

That’s the drink talking

Tomorrow is shaping up to be a disaster.

Many schools in my local area will be closed as they are close to bushland. These schools are not at risk like Blue Mountains schools, but just happen to be close to bushland. Could there be anything worse than having thousands of bored, unsupervised kids running around on a catastrophic rating fire danger day? Not only is the temptation too much for some, it’s much more difficult to evacuate / protect countless houses at risk that potentially have children in them than to evacuate the schools they could not attend.

Council has also closed all bushland reserves in the area, ensuring that the only people who access these areas will be away from prying eyes.

This frightening combination will surely exacerbate what we were already having to contend with.

AwesomeO said:

ruby said:

AwesomeO said:

Hehehe hardly said boo. No need. Plus this is a hostile environment.

Scary lefties using sarcasm and logical argument….someone needs a hug.

I actually agreed that thoughts and prayers was piss worthy, but that doesn’t mean outrage is not hypocritical and targeted.

Geez, I thought the outrage from the Glen Innes mayor was pretty spot on, well thought out and expressed, unlike ‘thoughts and prayers’ and ‘inner city lunatics playing politics’ which really do seem much more hypocritical and targeted.

ruby said:

AwesomeO said:

ruby said:

Scary lefties using sarcasm and logical argument….someone needs a hug.

I actually agreed that thoughts and prayers was piss worthy, but that doesn’t mean outrage is not hypocritical and targeted.

Geez, I thought the outrage from the Glen Innes mayor was pretty spot on, well thought out and expressed, unlike ‘thoughts and prayers’ and ‘inner city lunatics playing politics’ which really do seem much more hypocritical and targeted.

I was just commenting on thoughts and prayers, no idea what the mayo said.

Michael V said:

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

Morrison is going to cop crap no matter what he does…or doesn’t do.

I bet he would not cop flak if he said, “I’m reversing the Federal cuts we’ve made to support for State fire services, and also making grants to replace the cuts made by Liberal state governments, and we’re also changing our reporting and planning to account for climate change as we were advised by all of the state fire commissioners. “

I reckon that assessment is spot on.

hear hear.

AwesomeO said:

ruby said:

AwesomeO said:

I actually agreed that thoughts and prayers was piss worthy, but that doesn’t mean outrage is not hypocritical and targeted.

Geez, I thought the outrage from the Glen Innes mayor was pretty spot on, well thought out and expressed, unlike ‘thoughts and prayers’ and ‘inner city lunatics playing politics’ which really do seem much more hypocritical and targeted.

I was just commenting on thoughts and prayers, no idea what the mayo said.

Whose outrage were you commenting on?

ruby said:

AwesomeO said:

ruby said:

Scary lefties using sarcasm and logical argument….someone needs a hug.

I actually agreed that thoughts and prayers was piss worthy, but that doesn’t mean outrage is not hypocritical and targeted.

Geez, I thought the outrage from the Glen Innes mayor was pretty spot on, well thought out and expressed, unlike ‘thoughts and prayers’ and ‘inner city lunatics playing politics’ which really do seem much more hypocritical and targeted.

And yet everything from the left is focused on “thoughts and prayers” because it has religious overtones.
I don’t know about the prayers bit but your thoughts are very scrambled.

ruby said:

AwesomeO said:

ruby said:

Geez, I thought the outrage from the Glen Innes mayor was pretty spot on, well thought out and expressed, unlike ‘thoughts and prayers’ and ‘inner city lunatics playing politics’ which really do seem much more hypocritical and targeted.

I was just commenting on thoughts and prayers, no idea what the mayo said.

Whose outrage were you commenting on?

No ones and everyone’s, none specific.

AwesomeO said:

ruby said:

AwesomeO said:

I was just commenting on thoughts and prayers, no idea what the mayo said.

Whose outrage were you commenting on?

No ones and everyone’s, none specific.

What’s your thinking on Michael McCormack’s comments about the people who want action on climate change?

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

ruby said:

Whose outrage were you commenting on?

No ones and everyone’s, none specific.

What’s your thinking on Michael McCormack’s comments about the people who want action on climate change?

What were the comments?

Peak Warming Man said:

ruby said:

AwesomeO said:

I actually agreed that thoughts and prayers was piss worthy, but that doesn’t mean outrage is not hypocritical and targeted.

Geez, I thought the outrage from the Glen Innes mayor was pretty spot on, well thought out and expressed, unlike ‘thoughts and prayers’ and ‘inner city lunatics playing politics’ which really do seem much more hypocritical and targeted.

And yet everything from the left is focused on “thoughts and prayers” because it has religious overtones.
I don’t know about the prayers bit but your thoughts are very scrambled.

And you read Buffy’s links?

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

No ones and everyone’s, none specific.

What’s your thinking on Michael McCormack’s comments about the people who want action on climate change?

What were the comments?

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/raving-inner-city-lunatics-michael-mccormack-dismisses-link-between-climate-change-and-bushfires-20191111-p539ap.html

Boris said:

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?

That’s very catholic of you, Boris.

Boris said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Did Barak Obama ever say “our thoughts and prayers etc”
Probably not because I never heard any outrage about it, or maybe he did and the vocal outraged left are just being politically selective and deep down they are really not that outraged at all, they are only feigning it for their covert political agenda.

he isn’t PM of australia.

wait, what? now what am I going to do with all these t-shirts and ashtrays?

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

What’s your thinking on Michael McCormack’s comments about the people who want action on climate change?

What were the comments?

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/raving-inner-city-lunatics-michael-mccormack-dismisses-link-between-climate-change-and-bushfires-20191111-p539ap.html

Reads to me both sides taking advantage of fires to score political points.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

What were the comments?

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/raving-inner-city-lunatics-michael-mccormack-dismisses-link-between-climate-change-and-bushfires-20191111-p539ap.html

Reads to me both sides taking advantage of fires to score political points.

Then whomever does that can only be a fool.

sibeen said:

Boris said:

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?

That’s very catholic of you, Boris.

i try to embrace all.

Boris said:

sibeen said:

Boris said:

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?

That’s very catholic of you, Boris.

i try to embrace all.

Thems big arms.

Boris said:

sibeen said:

Boris said:

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?

That’s very catholic of you, Boris.

i try to embrace all.

I think polygamy is banned.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

What’s your thinking on Michael McCormack’s comments about the people who want action on climate change?

What were the comments?

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/raving-inner-city-lunatics-michael-mccormack-dismisses-link-between-climate-change-and-bushfires-20191111-p539ap.html

they are just copying the answer the yank pollies say after ever shooting, it isn’t the time to talk gun control. same kick the can down the road bullshit.

party_pants said:

Boris said:

sibeen said:

That’s very catholic of you, Boris.

i try to embrace all.

I think polygamy is banned.

i don’t marry them all!

Boris said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

What were the comments?

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/raving-inner-city-lunatics-michael-mccormack-dismisses-link-between-climate-change-and-bushfires-20191111-p539ap.html

they are just copying the answer the yank pollies say after ever shooting, it isn’t the time to talk gun control. same kick the can down the road bullshit.

Correct.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

What were the comments?

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/raving-inner-city-lunatics-michael-mccormack-dismisses-link-between-climate-change-and-bushfires-20191111-p539ap.html

Reads to me both sides taking advantage of fires to score political points.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/11/dear-michael-mccormack-the-only-raving-lunatics-are-those-not-worrying-about-climate-change
?

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s just a means of conveying sympathy and has been for yonks.
It’s been used by politicians of all persuasions , general punters and dogs boddies for yonks.
And what’s more you can express your sympathy in those terms and also do everything in your power to help those in distress.
And as a Christian I’ll continue to use it and other sayings like “God bless you” and “Peace be with you”
And if you don’t like it I’ll pray for you.

Heidi just messaged me and said ‘Also, I’m f ing sick of Thoughts and Prayers.
Just had to get that off my chest. FFFFFFFing sick.’

I said I have been fighting thoughts and prayers for the last hour or so.

She said ‘ What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?’

sibeen said:

Boris said:

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?

That’s very catholic of you, Boris.

Ah. Is that where Heidi got it from.

Sort of said it all.

There are few votes to be gained here.

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s just a means of conveying sympathy and has been for yonks.
It’s been used by politicians of all persuasions , general punters and dogs boddies for yonks.
And what’s more you can express your sympathy in those terms and also do everything in your power to help those in distress.
And as a Christian I’ll continue to use it and other sayings like “God bless you” and “Peace be with you”
And if you don’t like it I’ll pray for you.

Heidi just messaged me and said ‘Also, I’m f ing sick of Thoughts and Prayers.
Just had to get that off my chest. FFFFFFFing sick.’

I said I have been fighting thoughts and prayers for the last hour or so.

She said ‘ What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?’

LOL, she said the same as I posted?

:-)

Boris said:

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s just a means of conveying sympathy and has been for yonks.
It’s been used by politicians of all persuasions , general punters and dogs boddies for yonks.
And what’s more you can express your sympathy in those terms and also do everything in your power to help those in distress.
And as a Christian I’ll continue to use it and other sayings like “God bless you” and “Peace be with you”
And if you don’t like it I’ll pray for you.

Heidi just messaged me and said ‘Also, I’m f ing sick of Thoughts and Prayers.
Just had to get that off my chest. FFFFFFFing sick.’

I said I have been fighting thoughts and prayers for the last hour or so.

She said ‘ What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?’

LOL, she said the same as I posted?

:-)

C&P’d

Boris said:

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s just a means of conveying sympathy and has been for yonks.
It’s been used by politicians of all persuasions , general punters and dogs boddies for yonks.
And what’s more you can express your sympathy in those terms and also do everything in your power to help those in distress.
And as a Christian I’ll continue to use it and other sayings like “God bless you” and “Peace be with you”
And if you don’t like it I’ll pray for you.

Heidi just messaged me and said ‘Also, I’m f ing sick of Thoughts and Prayers.
Just had to get that off my chest. FFFFFFFing sick.’

I said I have been fighting thoughts and prayers for the last hour or so.

She said ‘ What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?’

LOL, she said the same as I posted?

:-)

Yes. But she has been lurking as I said there were thoughts and prayers wars here.

sarahs mum said:

Boris said:

sarahs mum said:

Heidi just messaged me and said ‘Also, I’m f ing sick of Thoughts and Prayers.
Just had to get that off my chest. FFFFFFFing sick.’

I said I have been fighting thoughts and prayers for the last hour or so.

She said ‘ What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?’

LOL, she said the same as I posted?

:-)

Yes. But she has been lurking as I said there were thoughts and prayers wars here.

damn. I was thinking two great minds. oh well, back to being ordinary.

sarahs mum said:

Boris said:

sarahs mum said:

Heidi just messaged me and said ‘Also, I’m f ing sick of Thoughts and Prayers.
Just had to get that off my chest. FFFFFFFing sick.’

I said I have been fighting thoughts and prayers for the last hour or so.

She said ‘ What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?’

LOL, she said the same as I posted?

:-)

Yes. But she has been lurking as I said there were thoughts and prayers wars here.

We have lurkers here?

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Boris said:

LOL, she said the same as I posted?

:-)

Yes. But she has been lurking as I said there were thoughts and prayers wars here.

We have lurkers here?

obviously.

Boris said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Yes. But she has been lurking as I said there were thoughts and prayers wars here.

We have lurkers here?

obviously.

Wed best all lift our game then. And by all I mainly mean Boris.

sibeen said:

Boris said:

sibeen said:

We have lurkers here?

obviously.

Wed best all lift our game then. And by all I mainly mean Boris.

Might mean more with an apostrophe?

sibeen said:

Boris said:

sibeen said:

We have lurkers here?

obviously.

Wed best all lift our game then. And by all I mainly mean Boris.

i peaked years ago. got my feet off the pedals now and freewheeling to my fate. the same fate that awaits us all.

Boris said:

sibeen said:

Boris said:

obviously.

Wed best all lift our game then. And by all I mainly mean Boris.

i peaked years ago. got my feet off the pedals now and freewheeling to my fate. the same fate that awaits us all.

Goes faster downhill eh?

roughbarked said:

Boris said:

sibeen said:

Wed best all lift our game then. And by all I mainly mean Boris.

i peaked years ago. got my feet off the pedals now and freewheeling to my fate. the same fate that awaits us all.

Goes faster downhill eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Iz7ZMALaCY

The climate activists have a good opportunity to make their case in the light of these out of season events once the dust has settled.
But nup, they’ve shot themselves in the foot again by poor timing and raving on about their anti-religious views ie going off reservation with “thoughts and prayers.”
In the upcoming election in the UK climate change will not be an issue, it was championed by the Conservatives there long before it became an issue elsewhere and is now bipartisan.
In Australia the last federal and NSW elections were billed by the ALP/Greens as the great climate change elections and you lost both of them.
One of the reasons you lost is because you couldn’t focus, you had to bring in all this peripheral garbage and people don’t like ideological fundamentalism.

Any way I’m going to try and get a picture of the fires on the hills around me, it’s a bit scary.
Trouble is I don’t know how to turn off the the flash, I just want to take a real life photo.
I’ll see if I can find the manual.

Peak Warming Man said:

The climate activists have a good opportunity to make their case in the light of these out of season events once the dust has settled.
But nup, they’ve shot themselves in the foot again by poor timing and raving on about their anti-religious views ie going off reservation with “thoughts and prayers.”
In the upcoming election in the UK climate change will not be an issue, it was championed by the Conservatives there long before it became an issue elsewhere and is now bipartisan.
In Australia the last federal and NSW elections were billed by the ALP/Greens as the great climate change elections and you lost both of them.
One of the reasons you lost is because you couldn’t focus, you had to bring in all this peripheral garbage and people don’t like ideological fundamentalism.

Any way I’m going to try and get a picture of the fires on the hills around me, it’s a bit scary.
Trouble is I don’t know how to turn off the the flash, I just want to take a real life photo.
I’ll see if I can find the manual.

and now nsw is burning. how good is that?

Boris said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The climate activists have a good opportunity to make their case in the light of these out of season events once the dust has settled.
But nup, they’ve shot themselves in the foot again by poor timing and raving on about their anti-religious views ie going off reservation with “thoughts and prayers.”
In the upcoming election in the UK climate change will not be an issue, it was championed by the Conservatives there long before it became an issue elsewhere and is now bipartisan.
In Australia the last federal and NSW elections were billed by the ALP/Greens as the great climate change elections and you lost both of them.
One of the reasons you lost is because you couldn’t focus, you had to bring in all this peripheral garbage and people don’t like ideological fundamentalism.

Any way I’m going to try and get a picture of the fires on the hills around me, it’s a bit scary.
Trouble is I don’t know how to turn off the the flash, I just want to take a real life photo.
I’ll see if I can find the manual.

and now nsw is burning. how good is that?

If only Bob Browns caravan had stopped in NSW, but nup it went straight through to Queensland where it spread the word.

Peak Warming Man said:

Boris said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The climate activists have a good opportunity to make their case in the light of these out of season events once the dust has settled.
But nup, they’ve shot themselves in the foot again by poor timing and raving on about their anti-religious views ie going off reservation with “thoughts and prayers.”
In the upcoming election in the UK climate change will not be an issue, it was championed by the Conservatives there long before it became an issue elsewhere and is now bipartisan.
In Australia the last federal and NSW elections were billed by the ALP/Greens as the great climate change elections and you lost both of them.
One of the reasons you lost is because you couldn’t focus, you had to bring in all this peripheral garbage and people don’t like ideological fundamentalism.

Any way I’m going to try and get a picture of the fires on the hills around me, it’s a bit scary.
Trouble is I don’t know how to turn off the the flash, I just want to take a real life photo.
I’ll see if I can find the manual.

and now nsw is burning. how good is that?

If only Bob Browns caravan had stopped in NSW, but nup it went straight through to Queensland where it spread the word.

Everyone’s out having BBQ’s and spraying water on the gardens.

Peak Warming Man said:

Boris said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The climate activists have a good opportunity to make their case in the light of these out of season events once the dust has settled.
But nup, they’ve shot themselves in the foot again by poor timing and raving on about their anti-religious views ie going off reservation with “thoughts and prayers.”
In the upcoming election in the UK climate change will not be an issue, it was championed by the Conservatives there long before it became an issue elsewhere and is now bipartisan.
In Australia the last federal and NSW elections were billed by the ALP/Greens as the great climate change elections and you lost both of them.
One of the reasons you lost is because you couldn’t focus, you had to bring in all this peripheral garbage and people don’t like ideological fundamentalism.

Any way I’m going to try and get a picture of the fires on the hills around me, it’s a bit scary.
Trouble is I don’t know how to turn off the the flash, I just want to take a real life photo.
I’ll see if I can find the manual.

and now nsw is burning. how good is that?

If only Bob Browns caravan had stopped in NSW, but nup it went straight through to Queensland where it spread the word.

he isn’t a pollie though.

Peak Warming Man said:

The climate activists have a good opportunity to make their case in the light of these out of season events once the dust has settled.
But nup, they’ve shot themselves in the foot again by poor timing and raving on about their anti-religious views ie going off reservation with “thoughts and prayers.”
In the upcoming election in the UK climate change will not be an issue, it was championed by the Conservatives there long before it became an issue elsewhere and is now bipartisan.
In Australia the last federal and NSW elections were billed by the ALP/Greens as the great climate change elections and you lost both of them.
One of the reasons you lost is because you couldn’t focus, you had to bring in all this peripheral garbage and people don’t like ideological fundamentalism.

Any way I’m going to try and get a picture of the fires on the hills around me, it’s a bit scary.
Trouble is I don’t know how to turn off the the flash, I just want to take a real life photo.
I’ll see if I can find the manual.

As far as I know the Greens and Conservationists just want to stop certain people from killing us all off. Strange how one side of politics cannot understand that and retreat into their ideological fundamentalism.

I just talked to my sister on the phone and mentioned a couple of dozen things she had not thought of. I think I scared her. Good.

Boris said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

What were the comments?

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/raving-inner-city-lunatics-michael-mccormack-dismisses-link-between-climate-change-and-bushfires-20191111-p539ap.html

they are just copying the answer the yank pollies say after ever shooting, it isn’t the time to talk gun control. same kick the can down the road bullshit.

you know they are actually trained to say that for exactly the reasons

Arts said:

Boris said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Did Barak Obama ever say “our thoughts and prayers etc”
Probably not because I never heard any outrage about it, or maybe he did and the vocal outraged left are just being politically selective and deep down they are really not that outraged at all, they are only feigning it for their covert political agenda.

he isn’t PM of australia.

wait, what? now what am I going to do with all these t-shirts and ashtrays?

Wait? Ashtrays?

I have thoroughly cleaned up all fallen leaves and crap around the buildings but given the predictions for fire movement for tomorrow we are going to evacuate to Grafton…

North Coast Fires – Coutts Crossing, Coramba, Nana Glen and Glenreagh Areas 11/11/2019 21:46

This message applies to the area of Coramba, Nana Glen, Glenreagh and surrounding areas.

There is a number of large bush fires burning in the Coutts Crossing, Coramba, Nana Glen and Glenreagh areas.Under forecast weather conditions on Tuesday, these fires will spread quickly towards the coast.The fire may impact on the areas of Woolgoolga, outskirts of Coffs Harbour, Sawtell and surrounding areas.

Hope everyone else stays safe.

.

Ian said:

I have thoroughly cleaned up all fallen leaves and crap around the buildings but given the predictions for fire movement for tomorrow we are going to evacuate to Grafton…

North Coast Fires – Coutts Crossing, Coramba, Nana Glen and Glenreagh Areas 11/11/2019 21:46

This message applies to the area of Coramba, Nana Glen, Glenreagh and surrounding areas.

There is a number of large bush fires burning in the Coutts Crossing, Coramba, Nana Glen and Glenreagh areas.Under forecast weather conditions on Tuesday, these fires will spread quickly towards the coast.The fire may impact on the areas of Woolgoolga, outskirts of Coffs Harbour, Sawtell and surrounding areas.

Hope everyone else stays safe.

.

You stay safe too Ian. I hope the day isn’t as catastrophic as forecast.
xxxx

sarahs mum said:

Ian said:

I have thoroughly cleaned up all fallen leaves and crap around the buildings but given the predictions for fire movement for tomorrow we are going to evacuate to Grafton…

North Coast Fires – Coutts Crossing, Coramba, Nana Glen and Glenreagh Areas 11/11/2019 21:46

This message applies to the area of Coramba, Nana Glen, Glenreagh and surrounding areas.

There is a number of large bush fires burning in the Coutts Crossing, Coramba, Nana Glen and Glenreagh areas.Under forecast weather conditions on Tuesday, these fires will spread quickly towards the coast.The fire may impact on the areas of Woolgoolga, outskirts of Coffs Harbour, Sawtell and surrounding areas.

Hope everyone else stays safe.

.

You stay safe too Ian. I hope the day isn’t as catastrophic as forecast.
xxxx

+1

Good move, Ian. Best of luck mate.

sarahs mum said:

Ian said:

I have thoroughly cleaned up all fallen leaves and crap around the buildings but given the predictions for fire movement for tomorrow we are going to evacuate to Grafton…

North Coast Fires – Coutts Crossing, Coramba, Nana Glen and Glenreagh Areas 11/11/2019 21:46

This message applies to the area of Coramba, Nana Glen, Glenreagh and surrounding areas.

There is a number of large bush fires burning in the Coutts Crossing, Coramba, Nana Glen and Glenreagh areas.Under forecast weather conditions on Tuesday, these fires will spread quickly towards the coast.The fire may impact on the areas of Woolgoolga, outskirts of Coffs Harbour, Sawtell and surrounding areas.

Hope everyone else stays safe.

.

You stay safe too Ian. I hope the day isn’t as catastrophic as forecast.
xxxx

+1

Boris said:

sarahs mum said:

Ian said:

I have thoroughly cleaned up all fallen leaves and crap around the buildings but given the predictions for fire movement for tomorrow we are going to evacuate to Grafton…

North Coast Fires – Coutts Crossing, Coramba, Nana Glen and Glenreagh Areas 11/11/2019 21:46

This message applies to the area of Coramba, Nana Glen, Glenreagh and surrounding areas.

There is a number of large bush fires burning in the Coutts Crossing, Coramba, Nana Glen and Glenreagh areas.Under forecast weather conditions on Tuesday, these fires will spread quickly towards the coast.The fire may impact on the areas of Woolgoolga, outskirts of Coffs Harbour, Sawtell and surrounding areas.

Hope everyone else stays safe.

.

You stay safe too Ian. I hope the day isn’t as catastrophic as forecast.
xxxx

+1

)

Thanks guys.

..painkillers> bed

(Copied from chat): PWM:

Just listening to the firieries on the UHF, thay are grading some fire breaks, they’ve just called in a chopper.

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Just listening to the firieries on the UHF, thay are grading some fire breaks, they’ve just called in a chopper.

You’ve got a few there. Take care. Can you get away up to Stanthorpe yet?

Again, copied from chat.

Also, I wonder how Ian is faring. This is the fire that is threatening him, with the latest hot spots. He’s decided to stay and defend, last I read.

From:

https://hotspots.dea.ga.gov.au/

Thanks MV, that’s a good site. Interesting to see how big the fire is in Wollemi National Park on there.
I am on the NSW RFS site Fires Near Me and I pop in every now and then to check. A couple of hours ago it said there was a grassfire about 10kms from here, out of control. I checked back fifteen minutes later and it had gone from the list, so yay fireys. The wind has been subdued this morning, but is now ramping up, so things will get a bit more active.
https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me

It’s just the other side of the road now. It’s got a hot westerly up it’s arse.
If it crosses the road I could be in a spot of bother, we’ll not me but the shack could be, I can still get out.

PWM as a weather girl:

Yeah there’s some fires around, a hot westerly up their arses. Nothin to worry about yet but there’s a southerly buster blowin through this arvo which could see some of those fires become hazardous. Move ya cows and wheelbarrows so you don’t trip over them in your hurry to leave.

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s just the other side of the road now. It’s got a hot westerly up it’s arse.
If it crosses the road I could be in a spot of bother, we’ll not me but the shack could be, I can still get out.

Doesn’t look like there is much to burn in that paddock.

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s just the other side of the road now. It’s got a hot westerly up it’s arse.
If it crosses the road I could be in a spot of bother, we’ll not me but the shack could be, I can still get out.

please don’t leave it too late

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s just the other side of the road now. It’s got a hot westerly up it’s arse.
If it crosses the road I could be in a spot of bother, we’ll not me but the shack could be, I can still get out.

paddock looks nice a eaten out in foreground there

country’s dry there

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s just the other side of the road now. It’s got a hot westerly up it’s arse.
If it crosses the road I could be in a spot of bother, we’ll not me but the shack could be, I can still get out.

Bugger.

transition said:

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s just the other side of the road now. It’s got a hot westerly up it’s arse.
If it crosses the road I could be in a spot of bother, we’ll not me but the shack could be, I can still get out.

paddock looks nice a eaten out in foreground there

country’s dry there

That’s really defensible. Keep your eyes open for ember attack.

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s just the other side of the road now. It’s got a hot westerly up it’s arse.
If it crosses the road I could be in a spot of bother, we’ll not me but the shack could be, I can still get out.

Bugger.

Does PWM have a boat?

4m ago 15:01

Barnaby Joyce has explained his comments to Sam Maiden at the New Daily:

Earlier on Tuesday, Mr Joyce told told Sky News the local community needed more resources for hazard reduction burns and said: “And that’s the crazy thing there, and I acknowledge that the two people who died were most likely people who voted for the Green party, so I am not going to start attacking them. That’s the last thing I want to do.”

But he accused critics of “wantonly misrepresenting” his remarks about two NSW bushfire victims – Vivian Chaplain and George Nole.

Mr Joyce said he was actually trying to urge politicians to be more respectful of the alternative community where the victims lived, where the majority of residents did vote for the Greens.

“…My point is I was saying ‘just be careful, you don’t understand’. If you came into my community and talked to them – I am not having a go at the Greens, I think that’s completely wrong,” Mr Joyce told The New Daily.

“The people who live there are in a commune basically. Wytaliba is an alternative community. They don’t vote for me, they vote for Greens, and I’ve got no problem with it. They agree there should have been more burn reduction, fuel reduction.”

can someone explain this to us

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-12/nsw-fires-catastrophic-day-arrives/11694264?pfmredir=sm

Emotions boiled over in the state’s north this morning, where Federal Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese and NSW MP Janelle Saffin were heckled at a press conference.

The Labor leader promised local fire crews that he would lobby Parliament to provide all possible assistance to impacted communities.

“My house is burning down,” a woman yelled.

“All my friends are out there, my whole life is out there, everything!”

Angry residents unleash on Nimbin’s local Labor member Janelle Saffin.

********

Didn’t they elect National? Why is Labor playing there, and what will shouting at them do ¿

4 mins · Edited ·

Mt Lindsay from Dairy Flat

One of my girlfriend’s posted these a few minutes ago..

sarahs mum said:

4m ago 15:01

Barnaby Joyce has explained his comments to Sam Maiden at the New Daily:

Earlier on Tuesday, Mr Joyce told told Sky News the local community needed more resources for hazard reduction burns and said: “And that’s the crazy thing there, and I acknowledge that the two people who died were most likely people who voted for the Green party, so I am not going to start attacking them. That’s the last thing I want to do.”

But he accused critics of “wantonly misrepresenting” his remarks about two NSW bushfire victims – Vivian Chaplain and George Nole.

Mr Joyce said he was actually trying to urge politicians to be more respectful of the alternative community where the victims lived, where the majority of residents did vote for the Greens.

“…My point is I was saying ‘just be careful, you don’t understand’. If you came into my community and talked to them – I am not having a go at the Greens, I think that’s completely wrong,” Mr Joyce told The New Daily.

“The people who live there are in a commune basically. Wytaliba is an alternative community. They don’t vote for me, they vote for Greens, and I’ve got no problem with it. They agree there should have been more burn reduction, fuel reduction.”

His PR team need a pay rise.

SCIENCE said:

can someone explain this to us

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-12/nsw-fires-catastrophic-day-arrives/11694264?pfmredir=sm

Emotions boiled over in the state’s north this morning, where Federal Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese and NSW MP Janelle Saffin were heckled at a press conference.

The Labor leader promised local fire crews that he would lobby Parliament to provide all possible assistance to impacted communities.

“My house is burning down,” a woman yelled.

“All my friends are out there, my whole life is out there, everything!”

Angry residents unleash on Nimbin’s local Labor member Janelle Saffin.

********

Didn’t they elect National? Why is Labor playing there, and what will shouting at them do ¿

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-12/anthony-albanese-met-with-anger-during-fire-press-conference/11697056?pfmredir=sm

we don’t understand

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-12/nsw-bushfires-burn-amid-catastrophic-conditions-live-blog/11694646

And holy, haven’t some of those fires grown today!

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

can someone explain this to us

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-12/nsw-fires-catastrophic-day-arrives/11694264?pfmredir=sm

Emotions boiled over in the state’s north this morning, where Federal Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese and NSW MP Janelle Saffin were heckled at a press conference.

The Labor leader promised local fire crews that he would lobby Parliament to provide all possible assistance to impacted communities.

“My house is burning down,” a woman yelled.

“All my friends are out there, my whole life is out there, everything!”

Angry residents unleash on Nimbin’s local Labor member Janelle Saffin.

********

Didn’t they elect National? Why is Labor playing there, and what will shouting at them do ¿

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-12/anthony-albanese-met-with-anger-during-fire-press-conference/11697056?pfmredir=sm

we don’t understand

Maybe they blame him for starting all this climate change malarky as a political stunt, and now climate change has got out of hand and burnt their houses down.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

can someone explain this to us

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-12/nsw-fires-catastrophic-day-arrives/11694264?pfmredir=sm

Emotions boiled over in the state’s north this morning, where Federal Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese and NSW MP Janelle Saffin were heckled at a press conference.

The Labor leader promised local fire crews that he would lobby Parliament to provide all possible assistance to impacted communities.

“My house is burning down,” a woman yelled.

“All my friends are out there, my whole life is out there, everything!”

Angry residents unleash on Nimbin’s local Labor member Janelle Saffin.

********

Didn’t they elect National? Why is Labor playing there, and what will shouting at them do ¿

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-12/anthony-albanese-met-with-anger-during-fire-press-conference/11697056?pfmredir=sm

we don’t understand

Maybe they blame him for starting all this climate change malarky as a political stunt, and now climate change has got out of hand and burnt their houses down.

Larissa Waters
20 mins ·

The Liberal/Nationals say now is not the time to talk about climate-fuelled bushfires – but if not now, when?

They warn now is not the time to ‘play politics’ – but it’s ok for Barnaby Joyce to say people who died in NSW fires most likely “voted for the Green Party”.

They won’t meet with former fire chiefs to discuss the climate crisis – but they will send out an invite for end of year drinks with the fossil industry on one of the worst days of the bushfire crisis.

The #ClimateEmergency is real and demands urgent action. If the Government can’t lead on climate action, it should get out of the way for leaders who will.

The wind has died right out, the fireys and water bombers seem to have the Rivertree fire under control.
I can put my fire pump and hoses away and head home I think.
I’m glad I turned on my UHF and listened to their chatter, the coms between ground crews and a fixed wing water bomber was very interesting.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-12/anthony-albanese-met-with-anger-during-fire-press-conference/11697056?pfmredir=sm

we don’t understand

Maybe they blame him for starting all this climate change malarky as a political stunt, and now climate change has got out of hand and burnt their houses down.

Larissa Waters
20 mins ·

The Liberal/Nationals say now is not the time to talk about climate-fuelled bushfires – but if not now, when?

They warn now is not the time to ‘play politics’ – but it’s ok for Barnaby Joyce to say people who died in NSW fires most likely “voted for the Green Party”.

They won’t meet with former fire chiefs to discuss the climate crisis – but they will send out an invite for end of year drinks with the fossil industry on one of the worst days of the bushfire crisis.

The #ClimateEmergency is real and demands urgent action. If the Government can’t lead on climate action, it should get out of the way for leaders who will.

……………………………………They won’t meet with former fire chiefs to discuss the climate crisis – but they will send out an invite for end of year drinks with the fossil industry on one of the worst days of the bushfire crisis.

‘ken idiots.

Peak Warming Man said:

The wind has died right out, the fireys and water bombers seem to have the Rivertree fire under control.
I can put my fire pump and hoses away and head home I think.
I’m glad I turned on my UHF and listened to their chatter, the coms between ground crews and a fixed wing water bomber was very interesting.

Good!

Peak Warming Man said:

The wind has died right out, the fireys and water bombers seem to have the Rivertree fire under control.
I can put my fire pump and hoses away and head home I think.
I’m glad I turned on my UHF and listened to their chatter, the coms between ground crews and a fixed wing water bomber was very interesting.

that is good news. Hope it stays that way.

Peak Warming Man said:

The wind has died right out, the fireys and water bombers seem to have the Rivertree fire under control.
I can put my fire pump and hoses away and head home I think.
I’m glad I turned on my UHF and listened to their chatter, the coms between ground crews and a fixed wing water bomber was very interesting.

Listening to coms has always been better. Last year we found an online way of doing it during our local fire. Previously we’ve used a fire radio scanner. Did you hear anything like we did…“What! No! We are NOT going down that road!”

Divine Angel said:

I’ll pay that!

I’m still here and safe. Kernuckin’ ‘ot but. 39C still. Little bit breezy and still quite smokey. However, the fires are the furtherest from me than they have been for a couple of months. The Rappville/Coraki and Ewingar fires are both back at red “GTFOOT” status.

I have a friend fighting the Ewingar Fire. The stuff she’s been posting… whoa.

Woodie said:

I’m still here and safe

well that’s good

Divine Angel said:

I have a friend fighting the Ewingar Fire. The stuff she’s been posting… whoa.

Ewingar and surrounds has been burning for more than 2 months now, after getting burnt bits in March as well.

Woodie said:

I’m still here and safe. Kernuckin’ ‘ot but. 39C still. Little bit breezy and still quite smokey. However, the fires are the furtherest from me than they have been for a couple of months. The Rappville/Coraki and Ewingar fires are both back at red “GTFOOT” status.

:)

Fire looks close to Ian at Coutts Crossing. It was 6 km from him, last I heard. He had prepared and was intending to stay and defend. Seems PWM was able to get out. He’d been hemmed in by a fire quite close by that had straddled his escape road at one stage.

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

I’m still here and safe. Kernuckin’ ‘ot but. 39C still. Little bit breezy and still quite smokey. However, the fires are the furtherest from me than they have been for a couple of months. The Rappville/Coraki and Ewingar fires are both back at red “GTFOOT” status.

:)

Fire looks close to Ian at Coutts Crossing. It was 6 km from him, last I heard. He had prepared and was intending to stay and defend. Seems PWM was able to get out. He’d been hemmed in by a fire quite close by that had straddled his escape road at one stage.

Flared up again at Old Bar as well.

I don’t know the names of all these NSW places. I have to keep looking at maps. But then, I’ve never lived there and probably only travelled through two or maybe three times in my life.

buffy said:

I don’t know the names of all these NSW places. I have to keep looking at maps. But then, I’ve never lived there and probably only travelled through two or maybe three times in my life.

To give you an idea of the expanse that is in trouble, Ms Buffy ,the area on the map (Byron Bay to Taree, at the bottom) is a 6hr 475km drive.

buffy said:

I don’t know the names of all these NSW places. I have to keep looking at maps. But then, I’ve never lived there and probably only travelled through two or maybe three times in my life.

The Turramurra fires today were both close to where I grew up. I holidayed a lot as a kid in the stretch from Forster to Coffs. I do get confused up on the far north Coast even though I have been up quite a few times. Recent times even. I’ve been to Kyogle a half dozen times and that country confuses me.

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

I don’t know the names of all these NSW places. I have to keep looking at maps. But then, I’ve never lived there and probably only travelled through two or maybe three times in my life.

The Turramurra fires today were both close to where I grew up. I holidayed a lot as a kid in the stretch from Forster to Coffs. I do get confused up on the far north Coast even though I have been up quite a few times. Recent times even. I’ve been to Kyogle a half dozen times and that country confuses me.

wait isn’t Turramurra metropolitan

how does a bushfire start in a city

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

I don’t know the names of all these NSW places. I have to keep looking at maps. But then, I’ve never lived there and probably only travelled through two or maybe three times in my life.

The Turramurra fires today were both close to where I grew up. I holidayed a lot as a kid in the stretch from Forster to Coffs. I do get confused up on the far north Coast even though I have been up quite a few times. Recent times even. I’ve been to Kyogle a half dozen times and that country confuses me.

wait isn’t Turramurra metropolitan

how does a bushfire start in a city

In the middle of a National Park.