A history question.

When did the catchphrase “global warming” become “climate change”?

mollwollfumble said:

A history question.

When did the catchphrase “global warming” become “climate change”?

afaik when record low temps also became apparent.

mollwollfumble said:

A history question.

When did the catchphrase “global warming” become “climate change”?

Over time.

I remember having a discussion on the topic on the old SSSF, probably about 10 years ago,

When it was realised that some of the effects of global warming, like the movement south of the gulf stream, were understood to lead to colder Northern Europe in a a generally warmer world.

Note that “global warming” is still a very common term. The Earth as a whole continues to warm at an accelerating rate.

Per TFOAW:

Global warming is the long-term rise in the average temperature of the Earth’s climate system. It is a major aspect of climate change, and has been demonstrated by direct temperature measurements and by measurements of various effects of the warming.

mollwollfumble said:

A history question.

When did the catchphrase “global warming” become “climate change”?

When scientists got sick of people saying ‘but we have snow today, so much for global warming, those scientists know nothing’….

dv said:

Note that “global warming” is still a very common term. The Earth as a whole continues to warm at an accelerating rate.

I think that is more linguistic laziness than scientific terminology.
Like people talking about backburns when they mean fuel/hazard reduction burns.

dv said:

Per TFOAW:

Global warming is the long-term rise in the average temperature of the Earth’s climate system. It is a major aspect of climate change, and has been demonstrated by direct temperature measurements and by measurements of various effects of the warming.

hth

mollwollfumble said:

A history question.

When did the catchphrase “global warming” become “climate change”?

The day after PRESIDENT Al Gore published “An Inconvenient Truth”.

Thanks everyone, that helps

> About 10 years ago

> Record low temperatures

> When it was realised that some of the effects of global warming, like the movement south of the gulf stream, were understood to lead to colder Northern Europe in a a generally warmer world.

Thanks, I missed those.

Am I right in thinking that the gulf stream hasn’t moved? Well, not since it has been measured, it has certainly moved some time since the last peak glaciation 11,700 years ago.

mollwollfumble said:

Thanks everyone, that helps

> About 10 years ago

> Record low temperatures

> When it was realised that some of the effects of global warming, like the movement south of the gulf stream, were understood to lead to colder Northern Europe in a a generally warmer world.

Thanks, I missed those.

Am I right in thinking that the gulf stream hasn’t moved? Well, not since it has been measured, it has certainly moved some time since the last peak glaciation 11,700 years ago.

AFAIK it’s considered a possibility, rather than a definite prediction of something that will happen in the near future.

First Binge result for gulf stream records:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/13/avoid-at-all-costs-gulf-streams-record-weakening-prompts-warnings-global-warming

mollwollfumble said:

Thanks everyone, that helps

> About 10 years ago
>snip<

Am I right in thinking that the gulf stream hasn’t moved? Well, not since it has been measured, it has certainly moved some time since the last peak glaciation 11,700 years ago.

doano about the Gulf Stream
but the Jet Stream sure has moved!

since the Arctic melted (NorthWest Passage)
the Jet Stream snakes all over the place on a daily basis
currently, the temperature in the USofA dropped 50F within a WEEK.

I remember discussions in sssf about how climate change was a more appropriate description than global warming.

sarahs mum said:

I remember discussions in sssf about how climate change was a more appropriate description than global warming.

Climate change is the broad category. Global warming is one aspect of climate change. Each of these terms is useful but they don’t mean the same thing.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

I remember discussions in sssf about how climate change was a more appropriate description than global warming.

Climate change is the broad category. Global warming is one aspect of climate change. Each of these terms is useful but they don’t mean the same thing.

works for me.

This is how I understand it atm.

Earth has natural climate change which can be slow of fast, movement of glaziers can happen over millions of years, movement of rain patterns can change more quickly.

Global warming is an aspect of climate change. Global warming is the average temperature of the Earth’s climate system.

Humans are accelerating global warming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_(general_concept)

Climate change occurs when changes in Earth’s climate system result in new weather patterns that remain in place for an extended period of time. This length of time can be as short as a few decades to as long as millions of years. Scientists have identified many episodes of climate change during Earth’s geological history; more recently since the industrial revolution the climate has increasingly been affected by human activities driving global warming, and the terms are commonly used interchangeably in that context.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

Global warming is the long-term rise in the average temperature of the Earth’s climate system. It is a major aspect of climate change, and has been demonstrated by direct temperature measurements and by measurements of various effects of the warming. The terms global warming and climate change are often used interchangeably. However, speaking more accurately, global warming denotes the mainly human-caused increase in global surface temperatures and its projected continuation, but climate change includes both global warming and its effects, such as changes in precipitation. While there have been prehistoric periods of global warming, many observed changes since the mid-20th century have been unprecedented over decades to millennia.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

I remember discussions in sssf about how climate change was a more appropriate description than global warming.

Climate change is the broad category. Global warming is one aspect of climate change. Each of these terms is useful but they don’t mean the same thing.

I agree, but the discussion was towards the end of the last flatish period, when Roy Spencer’s graphs looked like this:

I think the argument was that switching from “warming” to “change” was a cop out.

Now that Spencer’s graphs look like this:

and the black cyclical line has mysteriously disappeared, I guess that is less of an issue.

NASA: Climate Change and Global Warming

https://climate.nasa.gov/

I really don’t know why Mollwoll or anyone else cannot envisage what the two phrases refer to.

roughbarked said:

I really don’t know why Mollwoll or anyone else cannot envisage what the two phrases refer to.

global warming is the big thing, and climate change the effect/s

transition said:

roughbarked said:

I really don’t know why Mollwoll or anyone else cannot envisage what the two phrases refer to.

global warming is the big thing, and climate change the effect/s

Yay.

roughbarked said:

transition said:

roughbarked said:

I really don’t know why Mollwoll or anyone else cannot envisage what the two phrases refer to.

global warming is the big thing, and climate change the effect/s

Yay.

who would have expected humans would be so good at it, excelled

The Rev Dodgson said:

I think the argument was that switching from “warming” to “change” was a cop out.

Ah well I’m sure they understood once we explained it to them. I dare say they thanked us.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I think the argument was that switching from “warming” to “change” was a cop out.

Ah well I’m sure they understood once we explained it to them. I dare say they thanked us.

it’s hopeful term, that man might be able to recover a stable set-point on the global thermostat

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I think the argument was that switching from “warming” to “change” was a cop out.

Ah well I’m sure they understood once we explained it to them. I dare say they thanked us.

I don’t remember that, but it was quite some time ago, so I’m sure they did.

transition said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I think the argument was that switching from “warming” to “change” was a cop out.

Ah well I’m sure they understood once we explained it to them. I dare say they thanked us.

it’s hopeful term, that man might be able to recover a stable set-point on the global thermostat

of course there are problems with 7.7billion people attending to the thermostat problem, helped none by that increasing to 10billion by 2050, but you’ve got to stay positive, pray or whatever

Because as I alluded to the other day, contrary weather was dismissed as that is weather silly person, unintended or not, for the onlookers it gave an impression of cherry picking weather events as confirmation and ignoring others.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I think the argument was that switching from “warming” to “change” was a cop out.

Ah well I’m sure they understood once we explained it to them. I dare say they thanked us.

I don’t remember that, but it was quite some time ago, so I’m sure they did.

SCIENCE has the archives, we can get him to post the thread. I’m sure it’s be a short one.

I recall a global warming denier using the term climate change, presumably it having a smaller impact on peoples mental well-being than global warming. The climate change term was quickly picked up by other deniers, the fossil fuel industry and particularly politicians wanting to make global warming less important and hence less urgent.

ruby said:

mollwollfumble said:

A history question.

When did the catchphrase “global warming” become “climate change”?

When scientists got sick of people saying ‘but we have snow today, so much for global warming, those scientists know nothing’….

Thanks. If I was being cynical, my response might be.

Even blind Freddie could see that “global warming” was too slow to be a risk,
so it was changed,
because even climate scientists haven’t a clue which “climate change” is anthropogenic.

mollwollfumble said:

ruby said:

mollwollfumble said:

A history question.

When did the catchphrase “global warming” become “climate change”?

When scientists got sick of people saying ‘but we have snow today, so much for global warming, those scientists know nothing’….

Thanks. If I was being cynical, my response might be.

Even blind Freddie could see that “global warming” was too slow to be a risk,
so it was changed,
because even climate scientists haven’t a clue which “climate change” is anthropogenic.

Being blindly contrarian is neither sceptical nor cynical.

mollwollfumble said:

ruby said:

mollwollfumble said:

A history question.

When did the catchphrase “global warming” become “climate change”?

When scientists got sick of people saying ‘but we have snow today, so much for global warming, those scientists know nothing’….

Thanks. If I was being cynical, my response might be.

Even blind Freddie could see that “global warming” was too slow to be a risk,
so it was changed,
because even climate scientists haven’t a clue which “climate change” is anthropogenic.

Since they all are driven by global temperatures, all of them.

mollwollfumble said:

because even climate scientists haven’t a clue which “climate change” is anthropogenic.

Ah yes, the ‘need a bigger microscope’ response. That always works.

May as well stick this here.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/sweden-dumps-aussie-bonds-as-country-not-known-for-good-climate-work-20191114-p53agw.html

Ogmog said:

mollwollfumble said:

A history question.

When did the catchphrase “global warming” become “climate change”?

The day after PRESIDENT Al Gore published “An Inconvenient Truth”.

AFAIC
The difference between “Global Warming” & “Climate Change” is Verbal Slight of Hand

Global warming implies that the GLOBE is Warming (“OMG!”) O-8=
iow it implies an Single (possibly catastrophic) Upward Trend

Climate Change implies a cyclical Cooling & Warming (“ho-hum”) /-:
Don’t be alarmed, it’ll get cooler again AS USUAL (eventually)

thus CLIMATE CHANGE became the new denialists’ buzzword
giving cover to deplorable industrial practices putting us at risk
and to mollify the masses who might otherwise demand action.

The day after PRESIDENT Al Gore published “An Inconvenient Truth”.

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

mollwollfumble said:

A history question.

When did the catchphrase “global warming” become “climate change”?

The day after PRESIDENT Al Gore published “An Inconvenient Truth”.

AFAIC
The difference between “Global Warming” & “Climate Change” is Verbal Slight of Hand

Global warming implies that the GLOBE is Warming (“OMG!”) O-8=
iow it implies an Single (possibly catastrophic) Upward Trend

Climate Change implies a cyclical Cooling & Warming (“ho-hum”) /-:
Don’t be alarmed, it’ll get cooler again AS USUAL (eventually)

thus CLIMATE CHANGE became the new buzzword
giving cover to deplorable industrial practices putting us at risk
and to mollify the masses who might otherwise demand action.

The day after PRESIDENT Al Gore published “An Inconvenient Truth”.

Given the difference between “global warming” and “climate change”, is there a generally accepted definition of “climate change”?

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

The day after PRESIDENT Al Gore published “An Inconvenient Truth”.

AFAIC
The difference between “Global Warming” & “Climate Change” is Verbal Slight of Hand

Global warming implies that the GLOBE is Warming (“OMG!”) O-8=
iow it implies an Single (possibly catastrophic) Upward Trend

Climate Change implies a cyclical Cooling & Warming (“ho-hum”) /-:
Don’t be alarmed, it’ll get cooler again AS USUAL (eventually)

thus CLIMATE CHANGE became the new buzzword
giving cover to deplorable industrial practices putting us at risk
and to mollify the masses who might otherwise demand action.

The day after PRESIDENT Al Gore published “An Inconvenient Truth”.

Given the difference between “global warming” and “climate change”, is there a generally accepted definition of “climate change”?

There is no implication of the word “cyclical” in the words “climate change”.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

AFAIC
The difference between “Global Warming” & “Climate Change” is Verbal Slight of Hand

Global warming implies that the GLOBE is Warming (“OMG!”) O-8=
iow it implies an Single (possibly catastrophic) Upward Trend

Climate Change implies a cyclical Cooling & Warming (“ho-hum”) /-:
Don’t be alarmed, it’ll get cooler again AS USUAL (eventually)

thus CLIMATE CHANGE became the new buzzword
giving cover to deplorable industrial practices putting us at risk
and to mollify the masses who might otherwise demand action.

The day after PRESIDENT Al Gore published “An Inconvenient Truth”.

Given the difference between “global warming” and “climate change”, is there a generally accepted definition of “climate change”?

There is no implication of the word “cyclical” in the words “climate change”.

Yep. That’s it.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

AFAIC
The difference between “Global Warming” & “Climate Change” is Verbal Slight of Hand

Global warming implies that the GLOBE is Warming (“OMG!”) O-8=
iow it implies an Single (possibly catastrophic) Upward Trend

Climate Change implies a cyclical Cooling & Warming (“ho-hum”) /-:
Don’t be alarmed, it’ll get cooler again AS USUAL (eventually)

thus CLIMATE CHANGE became the new buzzword
giving cover to deplorable industrial practices putting us at risk
and to mollify the masses who might otherwise demand action.

The day after PRESIDENT Al Gore published “An Inconvenient Truth”.

Given the difference between “global warming” and “climate change”, is there a generally accepted definition of “climate change”?

There is no implication of the word “cyclical” in the words “climate change”.

https://pmm.nasa.gov/education/articles/whats-name-global-warming-vs-climate-change

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Given the difference between “global warming” and “climate change”, is there a generally accepted definition of “climate change”?

There is no implication of the word “cyclical” in the words “climate change”.

https://pmm.nasa.gov/education/articles/whats-name-global-warming-vs-climate-change

read that^

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Given the difference between “global warming” and “climate change”, is there a generally accepted definition of “climate change”?

There is no implication of the word “cyclical” in the words “climate change”.

https://pmm.nasa.gov/education/articles/whats-name-global-warming-vs-climate-change

It’s Climate Emergency now

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Climate emergency as a term was used in protests against climate change before 2010.

A climate emergency declaration or climate emergency plan, declaring a state of climate emergency, has been issued since 2016 by certain countries and other jurisdictions to set priorities to mitigate climate change.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_emergency_declaration