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The ABC’s Australia Talks project aims to stimulate a conversation on a broad sweep of topics — from job security and sexual habits to national pride and personal finances.

The project is based on the results of a representative survey of more than 50,000 Australians.

One question the ABC’s promotional material focused on was “Are you lonely?” And when ABC chair Ita Buttrose was asked what she thought was the most surprising and disturbing feature of the whole exercise, she singled out the data on loneliness.

So, does loneliness deserve this billing? Is it really as important an issue as climate change, the economy, or education? We believe it is, and importantly, results from the Australia Talks survey help explain why.

Read more: 1 in 3 young adults is lonely – and it affects their mental health
Loneliness kills

First, loneliness is a killer. An influential meta-analysis, which collated and analysed the results of nearly 150 studies, underlines the impact on health of loneliness, or more specifically, lack of social integration and social support.

It found loneliness increases the risk of death more than such things as poor diet, obesity, alcohol consumption, and lack of exercise, and that it is as harmful as heavy smoking.

More..

https://theconversation.com/loneliness-is-a-social-cancer-every-bit-as-alarming-as-cancer-itself-126741

sarahs mum said:

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The ABC’s Australia Talks project aims to stimulate a conversation on a broad sweep of topics — from job security and sexual habits to national pride and personal finances.

The project is based on the results of a representative survey of more than 50,000 Australians.

One question the ABC’s promotional material focused on was “Are you lonely?” And when ABC chair Ita Buttrose was asked what she thought was the most surprising and disturbing feature of the whole exercise, she singled out the data on loneliness.

So, does loneliness deserve this billing? Is it really as important an issue as climate change, the economy, or education? We believe it is, and importantly, results from the Australia Talks survey help explain why.

Read more: 1 in 3 young adults is lonely – and it affects their mental health
Loneliness kills

First, loneliness is a killer. An influential meta-analysis, which collated and analysed the results of nearly 150 studies, underlines the impact on health of loneliness, or more specifically, lack of social integration and social support.

It found loneliness increases the risk of death more than such things as poor diet, obesity, alcohol consumption, and lack of exercise, and that it is as harmful as heavy smoking.

More..

https://theconversation.com/loneliness-is-a-social-cancer-every-bit-as-alarming-as-cancer-itself-126741

Sad but yet we come into this life alone and are destined to leave in the same way.

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

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The ABC’s Australia Talks project aims to stimulate a conversation on a broad sweep of topics — from job security and sexual habits to national pride and personal finances.

The project is based on the results of a representative survey of more than 50,000 Australians.

One question the ABC’s promotional material focused on was “Are you lonely?” And when ABC chair Ita Buttrose was asked what she thought was the most surprising and disturbing feature of the whole exercise, she singled out the data on loneliness.

So, does loneliness deserve this billing? Is it really as important an issue as climate change, the economy, or education? We believe it is, and importantly, results from the Australia Talks survey help explain why.

Read more: 1 in 3 young adults is lonely – and it affects their mental health
Loneliness kills

First, loneliness is a killer. An influential meta-analysis, which collated and analysed the results of nearly 150 studies, underlines the impact on health of loneliness, or more specifically, lack of social integration and social support.

It found loneliness increases the risk of death more than such things as poor diet, obesity, alcohol consumption, and lack of exercise, and that it is as harmful as heavy smoking.

More..

https://theconversation.com/loneliness-is-a-social-cancer-every-bit-as-alarming-as-cancer-itself-126741

Sad but yet we come into this life alone and are destined to leave in the same way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SacU_M1seD4

At least I don’t have this affliction.

>>> One Nation voters

Interestingly, a third group that reports disproportionately high levels of loneliness is One Nation voters. Nearly one in ten (9%) of Pauline Hanson’s followers report being lonely “always” compared to around 2% for followers of each of the other parties.

We believe feeling disconnected from the world and its institutions often drives people to find solace in marginal political movements. This indeed, is the developmental trajectory of multiple forms of extremism.

imagine that, twenty TV channels, all that friendliness and still feeling alone, the internet too, alphabet at your finger tips, all that love out there to be had, what went wrong. Apparently a person can even feel lonely while watching the ABC

looking back I reckon the first five years of school were the loneliest, horrendous, got more reliable company from the family dog at home, that’d be literally true

so really my early years of school sort of proximately murdered my canine friend, by way of elevated expectations. Socialization they call it. Fail, anyway turns out I am really a dog

I still miss that dog, ~45 years later

transition said:

imagine that, twenty TV channels, all that friendliness and still feeling alone, the internet too, alphabet at your finger tips, all that love out there to be had, what went wrong. Apparently a person can even feel lonely while watching the ABC

looking back I reckon the first five years of school were the loneliest, horrendous, got more reliable company from the family dog at home, that’d be literally true

so really my early years of school sort of proximately murdered my canine friend, by way of elevated expectations. Socialization they call it. Fail, anyway turns out I am really a dog

I still miss that dog, ~45 years later

I buried my dog 46 years ago.

this was a bit of a crude shot, in my opinion, terrible really

“Interestingly, a third group that reports disproportionately high levels of loneliness is One Nation voters. Nearly one in ten (9%) of Pauline Hanson’s followers report being lonely “always” compared to around 2% for followers of each of the other parties.

We believe feeling disconnected from the world and its institutions often drives people to find solace in marginal political movements. This indeed, is the developmental trajectory of multiple forms of extremism.”

transition said:

this was a bit of a crude shot, in my opinion, terrible really

“Interestingly, a third group that reports disproportionately high levels of loneliness is One Nation voters. Nearly one in ten (9%) of Pauline Hanson’s followers report being lonely “always” compared to around 2% for followers of each of the other parties.

We believe feeling disconnected from the world and its institutions often drives people to find solace in marginal political movements. This indeed, is the developmental trajectory of multiple forms of extremism.”

How would you have phrased it?

dv said:

transition said:

this was a bit of a crude shot, in my opinion, terrible really

“Interestingly, a third group that reports disproportionately high levels of loneliness is One Nation voters. Nearly one in ten (9%) of Pauline Hanson’s followers report being lonely “always” compared to around 2% for followers of each of the other parties.

We believe feeling disconnected from the world and its institutions often drives people to find solace in marginal political movements. This indeed, is the developmental trajectory of multiple forms of extremism.”

How would you have phrased it?

it’s not the phrasing, something much worse

dv said:

transition said:

this was a bit of a crude shot, in my opinion, terrible really

“Interestingly, a third group that reports disproportionately high levels of loneliness is One Nation voters. Nearly one in ten (9%) of Pauline Hanson’s followers report being lonely “always” compared to around 2% for followers of each of the other parties.

We believe feeling disconnected from the world and its institutions often drives people to find solace in marginal political movements. This indeed, is the developmental trajectory of multiple forms of extremism.”

How would you have phrased it?

“There’s a fine line between ‘lonely’ and ‘looney’”?

transition said:

dv said:

transition said:

this was a bit of a crude shot, in my opinion, terrible really

“Interestingly, a third group that reports disproportionately high levels of loneliness is One Nation voters. Nearly one in ten (9%) of Pauline Hanson’s followers report being lonely “always” compared to around 2% for followers of each of the other parties.

We believe feeling disconnected from the world and its institutions often drives people to find solace in marginal political movements. This indeed, is the developmental trajectory of multiple forms of extremism.”

How would you have phrased it?

it’s not the phrasing, something much worse

Be more specific. The fact that loneliness is high among ONP seems interesting, newsworthy, and indicative.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

transition said:

this was a bit of a crude shot, in my opinion, terrible really

“Interestingly, a third group that reports disproportionately high levels of loneliness is One Nation voters. Nearly one in ten (9%) of Pauline Hanson’s followers report being lonely “always” compared to around 2% for followers of each of the other parties.

We believe feeling disconnected from the world and its institutions often drives people to find solace in marginal political movements. This indeed, is the developmental trajectory of multiple forms of extremism.”

How would you have phrased it?

“There’s a fine line between ‘lonely’ and ‘looney’”?

chuckle

but yeah there’s serious alternate things involved, explanations

dv said:

transition said:

dv said:

How would you have phrased it?

it’s not the phrasing, something much worse

Be more specific. The fact that loneliness is high among ONP seems interesting, newsworthy, and indicative.

self-reported loneliness, to be clear

I spent the first half of my life very lonely.

But then had a paradigm shift at age 35, realised that with people I can either seek company or avoid it. I chose to avoid it, and have never been lonely since.

Or to put it another way, loneliness is just a state of mind that can be cured, it has nothing to do with how alone you are.

>https://theconversation.com/loneliness-is-a-social-cancer-every-bit-as-alarming-as-cancer-itself-126741

I did go read that above, it’s been well known for a long time, a contradiction or paradox if you will of the modern world

of course everyone is being sold things all the time, call it marketing bullshit, and tell me consumerism isn’t helped along by increasing the feelings you need something, that you’re impoverished in some way without this or that

i’m reminded that kids were probably less of a pain in the arse before Dickens gave them the word boredom

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/19/labour-programme-utilities-rail-full-fibre-capitalism

In the turbulence of British politics of recent years, the old rules appear to have been shattered. They were, it turns out, mere articles of faith whose origins were mystic rather than objective, reflecting the biases of their proponents more than the reality of politics. From the Brexit referendum to the popularity of public ownership to the 2017 general election result, the public confounded the pundits.

Under such circumstances, a degree of reflectiveness might have been called for. Yet humility remains in short supply. Many commentators continue to scoff at any signs of progressive ambition. Programmes of privatisation are common sense whereas any attempt to nationalise monopolies is dismissed as pie-in-the-sky utopianism. The economic and social lunacy of austerity was presented as a sober necessity, while increasing public investment has been framed as unaffordable.

But the left is in part to blame for this outcome. For decades, the right has presented the radical as reasonable, while the left claims that the reasonable is radical. Over the past four decades, the Conservative party has been reinvented as a project of the radical right, reanimated two decades after Thatcher first by austerity and then by Brexit. Meanwhile, Labour in government pursued such frivolous policy goals as teaching children to read, treating sick people in a timely fashion and making sure workers were paid a minimum wage.

The confusion stems from a real problem: the UK is already an outlier among advanced economies, so even a shift back to the mainstream is a radical break with the status quo. During the Thatcher years, the UK accounted for 40% of receipts from privatisations across the entire OECD (the Paris-based club of developed countries). Britain went further and faster than almost any other state.

That’s because successive British governments embraced the neoliberal revolution to a greater degree than any other advanced economy, including the United States. For all its rhetorical attachment to free markets, the US federal government plays a huge role in shaping markets. Tax rates for those at the top are higher in New York City than in London.

According to a recent poll by the Institute for Public Policy Research thinktank, about a third of voters say they want to see the British economy change “radically”. But Labour struggles to simultaneously satisfy the thirst among its base to express its programme as radical while reassuring other voters that what it proposes is mainstream and achievable.

In truth, Labour’s programme represents a plan to mend British capitalism rather than to end it. It is precisely because it proposes measures that are commonplace in European and other advanced economies that it can claim its programme is credible. It plans to put workers on boards like there are in Germany. It proposes the renationalisation of water, rail, mail and energy networks just as they are in public ownership across much of Europe and indeed the world. The party’s proposals for modest tax rises for those at the top of the income scale are nowhere near the levels seen in Scandinavia or much of Europe for that matter.

The plan for a “British broadband” entity is novel, though there is a compelling precedent in South Korea, where a state-owned company has achieved 99% full-fibre coverage, compared with 7% in the UK. Investment in fibre-optic broadband is the 21st-century equivalent of paving the roads, building the motorways or creating the rail network. It will be the foundations on which the new green economy will be built. In the 1990s, the internet and its attendant infrastructure was commonly referred to as the “information superhighway”. It shows real ambition for the UK going into the 2020s and all the opportunities of the fourth industrial revolution.

So in light of that, commentators should scoff less and ask why Britain can’t be Germany, Sweden or South Korea rather than making absurd comparisons to Bolivia, Cuba or Venezuela. As we enter the 2020s, the real question is why the Tories and their media cheerleaders have so little faith that the UK can follow the example of other successful economies. Britain needs to rediscover its can-do attitude and elevate its ambitions. As another progressive politician said not so long ago: yes, we can. This will be the election that determines whether we will – or whether the 2020s will be more of the same failed policies that lost us the past decade.

Do rainy days and Mondays really get people down?

Was there a question about watching train videos in YouTube?

One question the ABC’s promotional material focused on was “Are you lonely?”

—

That’s like asking “Are you happy?”

Ian said:

One question the ABC’s promotional material focused on was “Are you lonely?”

—

That’s like asking “Are you happy?”

Sometimes i’m Grumpy, sometimes i’m Sleepy, but usually i’m Dopey.

captain_spalding said:

Ian said:

One question the ABC’s promotional material focused on was “Are you lonely?”

—

That’s like asking “Are you happy?”

Sometimes i’m Grumpy, sometimes i’m Sleepy, but usually i’m Dopey.

But never Doc.

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

Ian said:

One question the ABC’s promotional material focused on was “Are you lonely?”

—

That’s like asking “Are you happy?”

Sometimes i’m Grumpy, sometimes i’m Sleepy, but usually i’m Dopey.

But never Doc.

The AMA frowns on it.

dv said:

transition said:

dv said:

How would you have phrased it?

it’s not the phrasing, something much worse

Be more specific. The fact that loneliness is high among ONP seems interesting, newsworthy, and indicative.

I too would really like to know what was so terrible about the quoted words.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

transition said:

it’s not the phrasing, something much worse

Be more specific. The fact that loneliness is high among ONP seems interesting, newsworthy, and indicative.

I too would really like to know what was so terrible about the quoted words.

it’s the sort of view you’d need arrive at yourself, if ever did, i’m not in the business of converting people, the ABC could be though

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Be more specific. The fact that loneliness is high among ONP seems interesting, newsworthy, and indicative.

I too would really like to know what was so terrible about the quoted words.

it’s the sort of view you’d need arrive at yourself, if ever did, i’m not in the business of converting people, the ABC could be though

I may still be missing something here, but if you are looking for something in media reporting to get irate about, I’m pretty sure there are plenty of much better contenders than the ABC saying that PH supporters tend to be lonely.

So all things considered, is the Electric Internet good or bad for lonely people?

Or maybe a bit of both?

The Rev Dodgson said:

So all things considered, is the Electric Internet good or bad for lonely people?

Or maybe a bit of both?

More good than bad IMO.

The Rev Dodgson said:

So all things considered, is the Electric Internet good or bad for lonely people?

Or maybe a bit of both?

It’s a trap for the unwary?

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I too would really like to know what was so terrible about the quoted words.

it’s the sort of view you’d need arrive at yourself, if ever did, i’m not in the business of converting people, the ABC could be though

I may still be missing something here, but if you are looking for something in media reporting to get irate about, I’m pretty sure there are plenty of much better contenders than the ABC saying that PH supporters tend to be lonely.

not irate, relaxed in fact, you asked me, continued discussion of that point. At this point the higher self-reporting of loneliness amongst the sample of PH supporters is an anomaly, perhaps fodder for idiots to draw conclusions

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

it’s the sort of view you’d need arrive at yourself, if ever did, i’m not in the business of converting people, the ABC could be though

I may still be missing something here, but if you are looking for something in media reporting to get irate about, I’m pretty sure there are plenty of much better contenders than the ABC saying that PH supporters tend to be lonely.

not irate, relaxed in fact, you asked me, continued discussion of that point. At this point the higher self-reporting of loneliness amongst the sample of PH supporters is an anomaly, perhaps fodder for idiots to draw conclusions

Or possibly they are more honest and/or realistic.

Tamb said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I may still be missing something here, but if you are looking for something in media reporting to get irate about, I’m pretty sure there are plenty of much better contenders than the ABC saying that PH supporters tend to be lonely.

not irate, relaxed in fact, you asked me, continued discussion of that point. At this point the higher self-reporting of loneliness amongst the sample of PH supporters is an anomaly, perhaps fodder for idiots to draw conclusions

Or possibly they are more honest and/or realistic.

that’s one possible explanation that could be explored

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

it’s the sort of view you’d need arrive at yourself, if ever did, i’m not in the business of converting people, the ABC could be though

I may still be missing something here, but if you are looking for something in media reporting to get irate about, I’m pretty sure there are plenty of much better contenders than the ABC saying that PH supporters tend to be lonely.

not irate, relaxed in fact, you asked me, continued discussion of that point. At this point the higher self-reporting of loneliness amongst the sample of PH supporters is an anomaly, perhaps fodder for idiots to draw conclusions

OK, that sound fair enough.

It came across as less relaxed than that.

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

it’s the sort of view you’d need arrive at yourself, if ever did, i’m not in the business of converting people, the ABC could be though

I may still be missing something here, but if you are looking for something in media reporting to get irate about, I’m pretty sure there are plenty of much better contenders than the ABC saying that PH supporters tend to be lonely.

not irate, relaxed in fact, you asked me, continued discussion of that point. At this point the higher self-reporting of loneliness amongst the sample of PH supporters is an anomaly, perhaps fodder for idiots to draw conclusions

I value the ABC as an organisation that seeks to educate and inform. Which is why some hate it so much and want to shut it down.

People I know who like the stylings of ONP and Fred Nile and pollies like Dutton and Trump are very lonely people once you scratch the surface, now that I think about it. Ones with failing or failed relationships or lonely old age or scars from the past.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I too would really like to know what was so terrible about the quoted words.

it’s the sort of view you’d need arrive at yourself, if ever did, i’m not in the business of converting people, the ABC could be though

I may still be missing something here, but if you are looking for something in media reporting to get irate about, I’m pretty sure there are plenty of much better contenders than the ABC saying that PH supporters tend to be lonely.

as far as i can see the ABC just reported the findings based on how people answered. Be like reporting that a certain % of lonely people have a pet, more than non-lonely people.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I may still be missing something here, but if you are looking for something in media reporting to get irate about, I’m pretty sure there are plenty of much better contenders than the ABC saying that PH supporters tend to be lonely.

not irate, relaxed in fact, you asked me, continued discussion of that point. At this point the higher self-reporting of loneliness amongst the sample of PH supporters is an anomaly, perhaps fodder for idiots to draw conclusions

OK, that sound fair enough.

It came across as less relaxed than that.

nah my equilibrium mental states are not determined by my political views, I don’t get my reality that way, it’s contrarian perhaps in the present climate.

the conclusion volunteered in the material quoted may in fact be part true and correct, even substantially true, but to get too enthusiastic about that would be to neglect where and of who it isn’t true and correct, sort of momentum of mob think, no end to a good idea

Tamb said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I may still be missing something here, but if you are looking for something in media reporting to get irate about, I’m pretty sure there are plenty of much better contenders than the ABC saying that PH supporters tend to be lonely.

not irate, relaxed in fact, you asked me, continued discussion of that point. At this point the higher self-reporting of loneliness amongst the sample of PH supporters is an anomaly, perhaps fodder for idiots to draw conclusions

Or possibly they are more honest and/or realistic.

Groups like One Nation thrive on irrational anxieties, so I don’t think “realistic” is the right word.

It could well be that socially isolated people are more susceptible to feeling unjustified hostility towards others.

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

transition said:

not irate, relaxed in fact, you asked me, continued discussion of that point. At this point the higher self-reporting of loneliness amongst the sample of PH supporters is an anomaly, perhaps fodder for idiots to draw conclusions

Or possibly they are more honest and/or realistic.

Groups like One Nation thrive on irrational anxieties, so I don’t think “realistic” is the right word.

It could well be that socially isolated people are more susceptible to feeling unjustified hostility towards others.

I think it has more to do with a lack of education about real issues. Including blatant repression of education.
Allowing people like Cory Bernardi to say that he speaks truth.

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Or possibly they are more honest and/or realistic.

Groups like One Nation thrive on irrational anxieties, so I don’t think “realistic” is the right word.

It could well be that socially isolated people are more susceptible to feeling unjustified hostility towards others.

I think it has more to do with a lack of education about real issues. Including blatant repression of education.
Allowing people like Cory Bernardi to say that he speaks truth.

Loneliness would decrease if more inclusion of education for all people.

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

transition said:

not irate, relaxed in fact, you asked me, continued discussion of that point. At this point the higher self-reporting of loneliness amongst the sample of PH supporters is an anomaly, perhaps fodder for idiots to draw conclusions

Or possibly they are more honest and/or realistic.

Groups like One Nation thrive on irrational anxieties, so I don’t think “realistic” is the right word.

It could well be that socially isolated people are more susceptible to feeling unjustified hostility towards others.

I’m not sure where unjustified hostility comes in.
Loneliness is a cold & sad emotion not a hot & angry one.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

Groups like One Nation thrive on irrational anxieties, so I don’t think “realistic” is the right word.

It could well be that socially isolated people are more susceptible to feeling unjustified hostility towards others.

I think it has more to do with a lack of education about real issues. Including blatant repression of education.
Allowing people like Cory Bernardi to say that he speaks truth.

Loneliness would decrease if more inclusion of education for all people.

Replace if
instead use with.

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Or possibly they are more honest and/or realistic.

Groups like One Nation thrive on irrational anxieties, so I don’t think “realistic” is the right word.

It could well be that socially isolated people are more susceptible to feeling unjustified hostility towards others.

I’m not sure where unjustified hostility comes in.
Loneliness is a cold & sad emotion not a hot & angry one.

Gathered together under the auspices of lies. May be deemed to be safer than having to face the stark reality alone.

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Or possibly they are more honest and/or realistic.

Groups like One Nation thrive on irrational anxieties, so I don’t think “realistic” is the right word.

It could well be that socially isolated people are more susceptible to feeling unjustified hostility towards others.

I’m not sure where unjustified hostility comes in.
Loneliness is a cold & sad emotion not a hot & angry one.

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Or possibly they are more honest and/or realistic.

Groups like One Nation thrive on irrational anxieties, so I don’t think “realistic” is the right word.

It could well be that socially isolated people are more susceptible to feeling unjustified hostility towards others.

I’m not sure where unjustified hostility comes in.
Loneliness is a cold & sad emotion not a hot & angry one.

I’m talking about the apparent correlation between feelings of social isolation and attraction to political extremism.

Which certainly wouldn’t be universal but does seem to be there to some degree.

People who are angry a lot of the time also tend to be quite sad.

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

transition said:

not irate, relaxed in fact, you asked me, continued discussion of that point. At this point the higher self-reporting of loneliness amongst the sample of PH supporters is an anomaly, perhaps fodder for idiots to draw conclusions

Or possibly they are more honest and/or realistic.

Groups like One Nation thrive on irrational anxieties, so I don’t think “realistic” is the right word.

It could well be that socially isolated people are more susceptible to feeling unjustified hostility towards others.

that’s very accommodating of rational anxieties, car

does that mean you operate in that field, your territory

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Or possibly they are more honest and/or realistic.

Groups like One Nation thrive on irrational anxieties, so I don’t think “realistic” is the right word.

It could well be that socially isolated people are more susceptible to feeling unjustified hostility towards others.

I’m not sure where unjustified hostility comes in.
Loneliness is a cold & sad emotion not a hot & angry one.

I know examples of people who are not in places where they can admit to their loneliness and are not yet descended into cold and sad because they have people around them, just not people they have close (in the sense of emotionally close) relationships with……they are quite hot and angry people. Several do passive aggressive really well (my mum’s retirement village is a good place to observe this one)

ruby said:

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Groups like One Nation thrive on irrational anxieties, so I don’t think “realistic” is the right word.

It could well be that socially isolated people are more susceptible to feeling unjustified hostility towards others.

I’m not sure where unjustified hostility comes in.
Loneliness is a cold & sad emotion not a hot & angry one.

I know examples of people who are not in places where they can admit to their loneliness and are not yet descended into cold and sad because they have people around them, just not people they have close (in the sense of emotionally close) relationships with……they are quite hot and angry people. Several do passive aggressive really well (my mum’s retirement village is a good place to observe this one)

It is relatively easy to spout stuff from groups like One Nation or even follow people likr Alan Jones, because by doing so one is displaying ignorance rather than aggression.

ruby said:

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Groups like One Nation thrive on irrational anxieties, so I don’t think “realistic” is the right word.

It could well be that socially isolated people are more susceptible to feeling unjustified hostility towards others.

I’m not sure where unjustified hostility comes in.
Loneliness is a cold & sad emotion not a hot & angry one.

I know examples of people who are not in places where they can admit to their loneliness and are not yet descended into cold and sad because they have people around them, just not people they have close (in the sense of emotionally close) relationships with……they are quite hot and angry people. Several do passive aggressive really well (my mum’s retirement village is a good place to observe this one)

Ah yes the lonely in a crowd syndrome.
There’s a song about a lonely little petunia in an onion patch.

captain_spalding said:

Ian said:

One question the ABC’s promotional material focused on was “Are you lonely?”

—

That’s like asking “Are you happy?”

Sometimes i’m Grumpy, sometimes i’m Sleepy, but usually i’m Dopey.

I mostly Sneezy.

But I mean these questions are more likely to lead to more loneliness and unhappiness. Aunty should spend her time more usefully.

Isn’t one definition of hell an eternal loneliness as punishment.
Everyone is lonely to some extent you are stuck in your own mind regardless of the company around you, some cope better with it than others.
I imagine its one reason why people embrace all sorts of nonsense beliefs if nothing else its other people to talk to and hang out with.

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

Ian said:

One question the ABC’s promotional material focused on was “Are you lonely?”

—

That’s like asking “Are you happy?”

Sometimes i’m Grumpy, sometimes i’m Sleepy, but usually i’m Dopey.

I mostly Sneezy.

But I mean these questions are more likely to lead to more loneliness and unhappiness. Aunty should spend her time more usefully.

It’s like the do-gooders constantly telling the Aborigines that they are a defeated & downtrodden people, then wondering why there is such a high suicide rate.

Tamb said:

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

Sometimes i’m Grumpy, sometimes i’m Sleepy, but usually i’m Dopey.

I mostly Sneezy.

But I mean these questions are more likely to lead to more loneliness and unhappiness. Aunty should spend her time more usefully.

It’s like the do-gooders constantly telling the Aborigines that they are a defeated & downtrodden people, then wondering why there is such a high suicide rate.

I imagine they find it hard to find a place in the world and who they are as a people and as individual persons, hard enough for those with privilege.

Tamb said:

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

Sometimes i’m Grumpy, sometimes i’m Sleepy, but usually i’m Dopey.

I mostly Sneezy.

But I mean these questions are more likely to lead to more loneliness and unhappiness. Aunty should spend her time more usefully.

It’s like the do-gooders constantly telling the Aborigines that they are a defeated & downtrodden people, then wondering why there is such a high suicide rate.

labelling theory

it drives people, is a motivator, a mechanism probably universal of humans, attainment and maintaining of adequate company (trying for), a substantially constant attractional force

isolation from resources (including, and perhaps especially breeding opportunities) in the ancestral environment was good as death, so evolution selected for mechanisms that tended to fix that (reduce the likelihood of extinction). The need for sex could make a person feel lonely every day, even if whatever example had sex every day, but could be much worse if they didn’t have it every day. It’s an attractional force, I don’t mind, just as hungry inclines eating, and thirst inclines drinking

imagine though, you were hungry, a starving person, someone rides up to you and sees that, they reach past the food in their saddle bag to their little encyclopedia, flip through to the chapter about pathologizing desire, and there’s some suggestion you could strategically tie the hungry persons hunger into political views, and generate an enhanced experience of siege to help them conform

evolution is an instrument of love, and cultural receptivity as goes in humans, happened upon and selected for, involves mechanisms that are commonly brutal, to get the job done, to the extent isolation can fade your body map, just as extreme sensory isolation can, yeah nature happened upon mechanisms not completely unlike torture

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-24/australia-talks-loneliest-people-in-australia/11729566