is the earth climate system already in thermal runaway (humans included, population trajectory etc), part and cause an entropic decay of evolved order dissolving natural structure

Some background reading on global warming / climate change tipping points.

As Climate Change Worsens, A Cascade of Tipping Points Looms
https://e360.yale.edu/features/as-climate-changes-worsens-a-cascade-of-tipping-points-looms

Climate tipping points — too risky to bet against
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03595-0

Tipping points in the climate system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_points_in_the_climate_system

Climate change ‘tipping points’ too close for comfort
https://phys.org/news/2019-11-climate-comfort.html

Climate change is reaching a tipping point https://www.ft.com/content/56238e12-14ef-11ea-b869-0971bffac109

transition said:

is the earth climate system already in thermal runaway (humans included, population trajectory etc), part and cause an entropic decay of evolved order dissolving natural structure

We are seeing global temperature rises in both atmosphere and oceans, polar ice melting away with rising oceans, more extreme summers with fires, more extreme winters, temperature rises are bringing stronger winds which are changing rain precipitation patterns and there will be more storms and more lightning.

Humanity needs to adhere to a one child policy for some time,we need to build smaller smarter homes, build smaller cars, ban cheap clothing and products that fall apart, replacing them is unsustainable, move coal workers over to the renewable sector, educate people on global warming.

transition said:

is the earth climate system already in thermal runaway (humans included, population trajectory etc), part and cause an entropic decay of evolved order dissolving natural structure

The answer is not yet.but its getting close.

People will have to change

Less overseas holidays
Less luxury items
No more large cars or 4WDs
No more large homes
Less energy use
Less food wastage
Stop wastage
More round robin car trips (multiple stops at different shops)
Better use of food delivery services ( drones that do round robins etc)
Better manufacturing techniques that use less energy, less wastage.
and more….

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

is the earth climate system already in thermal runaway (humans included, population trajectory etc), part and cause an entropic decay of evolved order dissolving natural structure

We are seeing global temperature rises in both atmosphere and oceans, polar ice melting away with rising oceans, more extreme summers with fires, more extreme winters, temperature rises are bringing stronger winds which are changing rain precipitation patterns and there will be more storms and more lightning.

Humanity needs to adhere to a one child policy for some time,we need to build smaller smarter homes, build smaller cars, ban cheap clothing and products that fall apart, replacing them is unsustainable, move coal workers over to the renewable sector, educate people on global warming.

That should be the bare minimum plus shutting down unsustainable industries, creating millions of jobs worldwide dedicated to cleaning up pollution and even having fallow years were oceans aren’t commercially farmed to allow stocks to replenish (that would never happen though)

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

is the earth climate system already in thermal runaway (humans included, population trajectory etc), part and cause an entropic decay of evolved order dissolving natural structure

The answer is not yet.but its getting close.

i’m considering if the problem is like an (external) observer watching a cup fill, knowing the flow rate and calculating the time it will overflow. It’s quite different perhaps.

Possibly a very different sort of problem

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

is the earth climate system already in thermal runaway (humans included, population trajectory etc), part and cause an entropic decay of evolved order dissolving natural structure

We are seeing global temperature rises in both atmosphere and oceans, polar ice melting away with rising oceans, more extreme summers with fires, more extreme winters, temperature rises are bringing stronger winds which are changing rain precipitation patterns and there will be more storms and more lightning.

Humanity needs to adhere to a one child policy for some time,we need to build smaller smarter homes, build smaller cars, ban cheap clothing and products that fall apart, replacing them is unsustainable, move coal workers over to the renewable sector, educate people on global warming.

That should be the bare minimum plus shutting down unsustainable industries, creating millions of jobs worldwide dedicated to cleaning up pollution and even having fallow years were oceans aren’t commercially farmed to allow stocks to replenish (that would never happen though)

Yes, more needs to be done.

People could live closer to work

Multi use transport systems could see bike paths built on top of train lines.

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

is the earth climate system already in thermal runaway (humans included, population trajectory etc), part and cause an entropic decay of evolved order dissolving natural structure

The answer is not yet.but its getting close.

i’m considering if the problem is like an (external) observer watching a cup fill, knowing the flow rate and calculating the time it will overflow. It’s quite different perhaps.

Possibly a very different sort of problem

Its an interlocked system

We live on a chemical world which has consequences to chemical changes.

There’s an unprecedented environmental catastrophe and the Greens still can’t get votes
First Dog on the Moon
First Dog on the Moon

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/11/theres-an-unprecedented-environment-catastrophe-and-the-greens-still-cant-get-votes

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

is the earth climate system already in thermal runaway (humans included, population trajectory etc), part and cause an entropic decay of evolved order dissolving natural structure

The answer is not yet.but its getting close.

i’m considering if the problem is like an (external) observer watching a cup fill, knowing the flow rate and calculating the time it will overflow. It’s quite different perhaps.

Possibly a very different sort of problem

like an expanding population really has a decreasing observer status, cause and effect become computationally prohibitive because of entropy rate increase in the natural system, a system (structures of) man borrows from and competes with

The radidly approaching apocalypse of AG heating and burning has at least negated the slower one of the next hypothesized age.

Gotta get the big picture, maaan.

:)

i’ll get to the psychology of the apocalypse later, its secret appeal

the coal and oil buried are or were structure, if you dig it up and burn it structure from the past is lost. Pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere dissolves some of the structure in the climate system. The burn rate (of fuels, we call them) constancy, and distribution are dysregulatory, have an effect so.

Ian said:

The radidly approaching apocalypse of AG heating and burning has at least negated the slower one of the next hypothesized age.

Gotta get the big picture, maaan.

:)

Furthermore, there is an argument that rapidly flipping climate in the Rift Valley in East Africa, especially the filling and emptying of lakes, drove the adaptability and increase in IQ of our distant ancestors.

Ian said:

Ian said:

The radidly approaching apocalypse of AG heating and burning has at least negated the slower one of the next hypothesized age.

Gotta get the big picture, maaan.

:)

Furthermore, there is an argument that rapidly flipping climate in the Rift Valley in East Africa, especially the filling and emptying of lakes, drove the adaptability and increase in IQ of our distant ancestors.

they didn’t have the internet back then though.

Australia is the worst-performing country on climate change policy, according to a new international ranking of 57 countries. The report also criticises the Morrison government for being a “regressive force” internationally.

The 2020 Climate Change Performance Index, prepared by a group of thinktanks comprising the NewClimate Institute, the Climate Action Network and Germanwatch, looks at national climate action across the categories of emissions, renewable energy, energy use and policy.

Across all four categories, Australia was ranked as the sixth-worst performing of the 57 countries assessed.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/11/australia-ranked-worst-of-57-countries-on-climate-change-policy

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Not proud.

sarahs mum said:

Australia is the worst-performing country on climate change policy, according to a new international ranking of 57 countries. The report also criticises the Morrison government for being a “regressive force” internationally.

The 2020 Climate Change Performance Index, prepared by a group of thinktanks comprising the NewClimate Institute, the Climate Action Network and Germanwatch, looks at national climate action across the categories of emissions, renewable energy, energy use and policy.

Across all four categories, Australia was ranked as the sixth-worst performing of the 57 countries assessed.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/11/australia-ranked-worst-of-57-countries-on-climate-change-policy

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Not proud.

read that

transition said:

sarahs mum said:

Australia is the worst-performing country on climate change policy, according to a new international ranking of 57 countries. The report also criticises the Morrison government for being a “regressive force” internationally.

The 2020 Climate Change Performance Index, prepared by a group of thinktanks comprising the NewClimate Institute, the Climate Action Network and Germanwatch, looks at national climate action across the categories of emissions, renewable energy, energy use and policy.

Across all four categories, Australia was ranked as the sixth-worst performing of the 57 countries assessed.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/11/australia-ranked-worst-of-57-countries-on-climate-change-policy

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Not proud.

read that

Winning the cricket is important though.

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

sarahs mum said:

Australia is the worst-performing country on climate change policy, according to a new international ranking of 57 countries. The report also criticises the Morrison government for being a “regressive force” internationally.

The 2020 Climate Change Performance Index, prepared by a group of thinktanks comprising the NewClimate Institute, the Climate Action Network and Germanwatch, looks at national climate action across the categories of emissions, renewable energy, energy use and policy.

Across all four categories, Australia was ranked as the sixth-worst performing of the 57 countries assessed.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/11/australia-ranked-worst-of-57-countries-on-climate-change-policy

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Not proud.

read that

Winning the cricket is important though.

We don’t even have the ashes….

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

read that

Winning the cricket is important though.

We don’t even have the ashes….

Say what

sibeen said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Winning the cricket is important though.

We don’t even have the ashes….

Say what

fire joke

dv said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

We don’t even have the ashes….

Say what

fire joke

Oh, stands down.

probably fair to say humans are the most hostile force existing (biggest threat) in and of nature on earth, presently

it’s going to require new systems theory, incorporating man’s input on the climate thermostat

perhaps everyone will get to vote on temperature setting, domocratic-like, which raises the question whether democracy (as we know it) will still exist in the future, or could exist without the nature of past, given nature has been substantial part the space of freedom, historically outside the work of minds you could argue

nature and freedom may contract simultaneously