Date: 13/12/2019 17:47:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1473393
Subject: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

Isaac Newton is a physics icon, but he was wrong.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-12-13/time-to-stop-lying-to-our-children-about-physics/11789858

So parallel lines will always cross, because space is never flat.

Reality is governed by strange but precise statistical rules. Reality is … fuzzy.

“If you don’t like it,” he said, “go somewhere else … to another universe!”

But kids are still learning the old stuff in school. The Newtonian world view — the lies.

I believe that we owe it to our kids to stop the lies, and to teach them our best understanding of the universe.

Girls who normally start with a less positive attitude to science than boys, respond more strongly to our approach and come out equal with the boys.

Following our first trials, we have been funded for a five-year program in which we are developing an integrated school curriculum called Einstein-First.

Our goal is that university lecturers will never again have to say “forget all that stuff you learnt in school”. We want everybody to feel comfortable in the modern world where nearly everything is powered by Einstein’s physics.

Imagine a world without mobile phones, solar panels, cameras, nuclear reactors, black holes or gravitational waves. That’s the world we’re preparing our kids for. These things don’t exist in the Newtonian world we teach.

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Date: 13/12/2019 17:50:16
From: sibeen
ID: 1473394
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

I had a whinge about this this morning in chat. A few others also thought it was strange whilst the Rev just complained that Einstein was also wrong but just in different ways.

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Date: 13/12/2019 17:58:47
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1473395
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

He was apparently quite handsome as a young man: sturdy nose, strong chin, eyes full of gravity.

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Date: 13/12/2019 18:00:27
From: AwesomeO
ID: 1473396
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

Bubblecar said:


He was apparently quite handsome as a young man: sturdy nose, strong chin, eyes full of gravity.


Completely barmy though.

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Date: 13/12/2019 18:01:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1473397
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

AwesomeO said:


Bubblecar said:

He was apparently quite handsome as a young man: sturdy nose, strong chin, eyes full of gravity.


Completely barmy though.

Most of them were in those days.

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Date: 13/12/2019 18:01:30
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1473398
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

Bubblecar said:


He was apparently quite handsome as a young man: sturdy nose, strong chin, eyes full of gravity.


A calculating gaze.

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Date: 13/12/2019 18:03:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1473399
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

For continuity, as referenced above.

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-12-13/time-to-stop-lying-to-our-children-about-physics/11789858

I think that article is fairly stupid.

I saw that headline but I just kept scrolling.

I think it should have been: /time-to-start-telling-different-lies-to-our-children-about-physics

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Date: 13/12/2019 18:10:00
From: sibeen
ID: 1473401
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

Bubblecar said:


He was apparently quite handsome as a young man: sturdy nose, strong chin, eyes full of gravity.


He was the apple of his mother’s eye.

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Date: 13/12/2019 18:12:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1473402
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

someone posted this a while back

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Date: 13/12/2019 18:18:55
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1473406
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

DV do you know how the various Tory/Labour splitters did in the election?

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Date: 13/12/2019 18:27:07
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1473407
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

Witty Rejoinder said:


DV do you know how the various Tory/Labour splitters did in the election?

Opps sorry.

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Date: 13/12/2019 20:46:41
From: buffy
ID: 1473483
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

I thought Newton worked at the macro level and Einstein did the sub atomic stuff. Demarcation and all that.

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Date: 13/12/2019 21:55:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1473509
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

buffy said:


I thought Newton worked at the macro level and Einstein did the sub atomic stuff. Demarcation and all that.

No. General relativity is concerned with gravity on all scales, but has difficulty working on a quantum scale.

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Date: 13/12/2019 22:01:20
From: transition
ID: 1473511
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

albert had some interesting social philosophy too, less known for, I look forward to that showing up also, as part of the new reality/truth

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Date: 13/12/2019 22:07:14
From: transition
ID: 1473513
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

transition said:


albert had some interesting social philosophy too, less known for, I look forward to that showing up also, as part of the new reality/truth

was it something like people are incapable of forming opinions contrary to the prejudices of their social environment, something like that

he may have thought he developed very slowly too, possibly failed normal socialization, you know so something for the chrono-developmental geniuses to contemplate in that

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Date: 18/12/2019 19:27:08
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1475206
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

Teaching Einstein before Newton is a bit iffy.

mollwollfumble once claimed that the shortest book in the word is “practical applications of general relativity”.

In a few cases, special relativity has practical applications, it’s necessary when using GPS for example.

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Date: 18/12/2019 19:28:47
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1475207
Subject: re: Einstein Fankids Sling Culturally Relativistic Insults

mollwollfumble said:


Teaching Einstein before Newton is a bit iffy.

I agree.

Although more than a bit perhaps.

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