https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-19/vicforests-plan-to-log-native-ash-trees-on-public-land-maps-show/11805812

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-19/vicforests-plan-to-log-native-ash-trees-on-public-land-maps-show/11805812

This such a dirty corrupt industry They really are total bastards, not just in Australia but world wide. They have a lot of rubbishy people working for them and no doubt some very dodgy underhand arrangements taking place. The environmental damage these people do is horrendous and they don’t give a damn, claiming the forests will regrow, but completely ignore the destruction of ecosystems supporting many endangered species.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/tasmanias-flowering-giants-we-will-never-see-such-trees-again

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-19/vicforests-plan-to-log-native-ash-trees-on-public-land-maps-show/11805812

This such a dirty corrupt industry They really are total bastards, not just in Australia but world wide. They have a lot of rubbishy people working for them and no doubt some very dodgy underhand arrangements taking place. The environmental damage these people do is horrendous and they don’t give a damn, claiming the forests will regrow, but completely ignore the destruction of ecosystems supporting many endangered species.

They will regrow I suppose what’s a hundred years between friends

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-19/vicforests-plan-to-log-native-ash-trees-on-public-land-maps-show/11805812

This such a dirty corrupt industry They really are total bastards, not just in Australia but world wide. They have a lot of rubbishy people working for them and no doubt some very dodgy underhand arrangements taking place. The environmental damage these people do is horrendous and they don’t give a damn, claiming the forests will regrow, but completely ignore the destruction of ecosystems supporting many endangered species.

They will regrow I suppose what’s a hundred years between friends

The ecosystem is destroyed that currently supports endangered species, which when combined with other logging activities, fires, droughts etc., is very likely to send some species extinct. Pristine forests are becoming increasingly rare and are very fragile environments that can never be replaced.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

This such a dirty corrupt industry They really are total bastards, not just in Australia but world wide. They have a lot of rubbishy people working for them and no doubt some very dodgy underhand arrangements taking place. The environmental damage these people do is horrendous and they don’t give a damn, claiming the forests will regrow, but completely ignore the destruction of ecosystems supporting many endangered species.

They will regrow I suppose what’s a hundred years between friends

The ecosystem is destroyed that currently supports endangered species, which when combined with other logging activities, fires, droughts etc., is very likely to send some species extinct. Pristine forests are becoming increasingly rare and are very fragile environments that can never be replaced.

On the other hand, from the example of Chernobyl any environment, even completely man made, if left alone, will re wild itself.

AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

They will regrow I suppose what’s a hundred years between friends

The ecosystem is destroyed that currently supports endangered species, which when combined with other logging activities, fires, droughts etc., is very likely to send some species extinct. Pristine forests are becoming increasingly rare and are very fragile environments that can never be replaced.

On the other hand, from the example of Chernobyl any environment, even completely man made, if left alone, will re wild itself.

Won’t be the same though. The rainforest regions with their unique species destroyed in Tasmania will be replaced by ordinary forest.

Bubblecar said:

AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

The ecosystem is destroyed that currently supports endangered species, which when combined with other logging activities, fires, droughts etc., is very likely to send some species extinct. Pristine forests are becoming increasingly rare and are very fragile environments that can never be replaced.

On the other hand, from the example of Chernobyl any environment, even completely man made, if left alone, will re wild itself.

Won’t be the same though. The rainforest regions with their unique species destroyed in Tasmania will be replaced by ordinary forest.

They haven’t become extinct?

AwesomeO said:

Bubblecar said:

AwesomeO said:

On the other hand, from the example of Chernobyl any environment, even completely man made, if left alone, will re wild itself.

Won’t be the same though. The rainforest regions with their unique species destroyed in Tasmania will be replaced by ordinary forest.

They haven’t become extinct?

No but they’re becoming more susceptible to bushfire, which they haven’t evolved to cope with. They don’t regenerate quickly like the fire-hardy species, which will gradually take their place.

Bubblecar said:

AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

The ecosystem is destroyed that currently supports endangered species, which when combined with other logging activities, fires, droughts etc., is very likely to send some species extinct. Pristine forests are becoming increasingly rare and are very fragile environments that can never be replaced.

On the other hand, from the example of Chernobyl any environment, even completely man made, if left alone, will re wild itself.

Won’t be the same though. The rainforest regions with their unique species destroyed in Tasmania will be replaced by ordinary forest.

Probably, up on the scenic rim there are quite a few stands of Antarctic Beech and I think theres a few up Tambs way but they are very ancient trees, if they get burnt I don’t know what their prognosis would be.
They have ‘old mans beard’ growing on them, walking through them is very Tolkenesque.

AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

They will regrow I suppose what’s a hundred years between friends

The ecosystem is destroyed that currently supports endangered species, which when combined with other logging activities, fires, droughts etc., is very likely to send some species extinct. Pristine forests are becoming increasingly rare and are very fragile environments that can never be replaced.

On the other hand, from the example of Chernobyl any environment, even completely man made, if left alone, will re wild itself.

However when a forest is destroyed, it is not just growing more trees, but other plants, mammals, insects, birds that need to return and will only do so when the ecosystem is suitable for them, which means some species will, whilst others wont, thereby producing a new type of ecosystem, which in Australia permits weeds, feral pests and diseases to move in to reduce the integrity of any regenerating ecosystem. People have changed the natural systems so much and introduced so many new problems that things will never return to what they once were, especially when a pristine habitat defenses are destroyed. We have to protect these places as they are truly unique.

PermeateFree said:

AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

The ecosystem is destroyed that currently supports endangered species, which when combined with other logging activities, fires, droughts etc., is very likely to send some species extinct. Pristine forests are becoming increasingly rare and are very fragile environments that can never be replaced.

On the other hand, from the example of Chernobyl any environment, even completely man made, if left alone, will re wild itself.

However when a forest is destroyed, it is not just growing more trees, but other plants, mammals, insects, birds that need to return and will only do so when the ecosystem is suitable for them, which means some species will, whilst others wont, thereby producing a new type of ecosystem, which in Australia permits weeds, feral pests and diseases to move in to reduce the integrity of any regenerating ecosystem. People have changed the natural systems so much and introduced so many new problems that things will never return to what they once were, especially when a pristine habitat defenses are destroyed. We have to protect these places as they are truly unique.

Rain forest regenerates vey very quickly, you have the shoots of young trees on the floor and as soon as some of the big trees get blown over in a storm and let some sunlight in they go bananas.
When the O’rilesy decided to stop dairy farming up on the McPherson rangers and went into tourism they were astonished how quickly the rain fores took over the areas they had cleared.

Peak Warming Man said:

PermeateFree said:

AwesomeO said:

On the other hand, from the example of Chernobyl any environment, even completely man made, if left alone, will re wild itself.

However when a forest is destroyed, it is not just growing more trees, but other plants, mammals, insects, birds that need to return and will only do so when the ecosystem is suitable for them, which means some species will, whilst others wont, thereby producing a new type of ecosystem, which in Australia permits weeds, feral pests and diseases to move in to reduce the integrity of any regenerating ecosystem. People have changed the natural systems so much and introduced so many new problems that things will never return to what they once were, especially when a pristine habitat defenses are destroyed. We have to protect these places as they are truly unique.

Rain forest regenerates vey very quickly, you have the shoots of young trees on the floor and as soon as some of the big trees get blown over in a storm and let some sunlight in they go bananas.
When the O’rilesy decided to stop dairy farming up on the McPherson rangers and went into tourism they were astonished how quickly the rain fores took over the areas they had cleared.

Trees are only a very small part of an ecosystem, there are many other species required to make a regenerated system work. People look at bush and because there are no downed trees or bulldozing scars, consider it in good condition, but the undergrowth could have been destroyed by introduced grazing species, there are likely weeds that dominate and smoother small plants. Then there are the feral animals killing off native species at an alarming rate. So what you are looking at might well be a heavily degraded environment of little ecological use.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-19/vicforests-plan-to-log-native-ash-trees-on-public-land-maps-show/11805812

This such a dirty corrupt industry They really are total bastards, not just in Australia but world wide. They have a lot of rubbishy people working for them and no doubt some very dodgy underhand arrangements taking place. The environmental damage these people do is horrendous and they don’t give a damn, claiming the forests will regrow, but completely ignore the destruction of ecosystems supporting many endangered species.

They will regrow I suppose what’s a hundred years between friends

There is a lot you don’t know about forests.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

AwesomeO said:

On the other hand, from the example of Chernobyl any environment, even completely man made, if left alone, will re wild itself.

Won’t be the same though. The rainforest regions with their unique species destroyed in Tasmania will be replaced by ordinary forest.

Probably, up on the scenic rim there are quite a few stands of Antarctic Beech and I think theres a few up Tambs way but they are very ancient trees, if they get burnt I don’t know what their prognosis would be.
They have ‘old mans beard’ growing on them, walking through them is very Tolkenesque.

These small stands of Antarctic beech haven’t actually reproduced in thousands of years.

in a way I am good about people getting on the firestick bandwagon. But wet sclerrophyl rain forest in Tasmania…no. Maybe on the midlands where it happened on a traditional level. Maybe on some of the coastal banksia strip. Not here. Best just to be building fire breaks.

sarahs mum said:

in a way I am good about people getting on the firestick bandwagon. But wet sclerrophyl rain forest in Tasmania…no. Maybe on the midlands where it happened on a traditional level. Maybe on some of the coastal banksia strip. Not here. Best just to be building fire breaks.

Firestick wasn’t aunversal across Australia.