Date: 26/12/2019 22:37:27
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1477462
Subject: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

Another ridiculous idea of mine.

Smoke signals were used throughout Australia and throughout the Americas and perhaps elsewhere. These could carry quite complicated ideas such as “big doctor”. So far as I can tell, no white has ever seen a smoke signal in Australia being made.

Idriess makes reference to the importance of the colour of the smoke. Howitt makes reference to hollow trees being used for making smoke signals.

Didgeridoos take a lot of making. But weren’t used as weapons, not as quarter-staffs for example, nor as walking sticks. Boomerangs serve a second importance as musical instruments, and by the number of boomerangs being clicked together it was possible to telegraph ahead how many people were in the approaching tribe.

Didgeridoos used to be made using fire, but I believe that this is no longer done, not for tourists anyway.

What if – what if the original purpose of a didgeridoo was as a portable hollow tree for making smoke signals? And it only became adapted as a type of musical instrument later.

If so, the type of material set alight inside would allow changes in smoke colour, and moving the instrument sideways, up and down, and in a circle would add extra words to the smoke signal lexicon, such as the direction of intruders.

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Date: 26/12/2019 22:44:33
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1477464
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

mollwollfumble said:


Another ridiculous idea of mine.

Smoke signals were used throughout Australia and throughout the Americas and perhaps elsewhere. These could carry quite complicated ideas such as “big doctor”. So far as I can tell, no white has ever seen a smoke signal in Australia being made.

Idriess makes reference to the importance of the colour of the smoke. Howitt makes reference to hollow trees being used for making smoke signals.

Didgeridoos take a lot of making. But weren’t used as weapons, not as quarter-staffs for example, nor as walking sticks. Boomerangs serve a second importance as musical instruments, and by the number of boomerangs being clicked together it was possible to telegraph ahead how many people were in the approaching tribe.

Didgeridoos used to be made using fire, but I believe that this is no longer done, not for tourists anyway.

What if – what if the original purpose of a didgeridoo was as a portable hollow tree for making smoke signals? And it only became adapted as a type of musical instrument later.

If so, the type of material set alight inside would allow changes in smoke colour, and moving the instrument sideways, up and down, and in a circle would add extra words to the smoke signal lexicon, such as the direction of intruders.

I think you should brush up on your understanding of Aboriginal spoken language before you ponder questions such as these.

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Date: 26/12/2019 23:00:38
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1477469
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

My limited understanding is that didgeridoos are for men only and some of the sounds made are to mimic bush animals but not limited to. I was told that woman who use a didgeridoo will succumb to a bad spirit and will become pregnant in indigenous ancient culture and beliefs.

You mention fire but aren’t didgeridoos selected from areas where termites have hollowed out small trees? they may refine the instrument with fire to remove the inner bits etc but the termites do most of the work initially (I thought).

Being men only instrument suggest men’s business at the corroborees and therefore cultural rather than practical.

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Date: 26/12/2019 23:03:57
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1477473
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

And there were 100’s of aboriginal languages and countries before European settlement.

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Date: 26/12/2019 23:09:59
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1477474
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

Being an oral tradition the dreamtime stories were the way of communicating important things generationally (I thought). It is interesting how some of the forbidden places for hunting were also the breeding grounds for some of the major food sources of a local area for the local tribes. The stories of ancestors and spirits warning of punishments for entering some areas were also coincidentally or perhaps deliberately and thoughtfully to protect future generations for their survival.

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Date: 26/12/2019 23:16:31
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1477475
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

monkey skipper said:


My limited understanding is that didgeridoos are for men only and some of the sounds made are to mimic bush animals but not limited to. I was told that woman who use a didgeridoo will succumb to a bad spirit and will become pregnant in indigenous ancient culture and beliefs.

You mention fire but aren’t didgeridoos selected from areas where termites have hollowed out small trees? they may refine the instrument with fire to remove the inner bits etc but the termites do most of the work initially (I thought).

Being men only instrument suggest men’s business at the corroborees and therefore cultural rather than practical.

Yes. refining using fire.

Howitt talks about whether it is a men-only instrument. It is in some tribes but not in others. Much as dancing in corroborees is men only in some tribes but not in others.

Smoke signals would normally be by lookout scouts on ridges and by hunting parties (Idriess). Perhaps together with main camp fire. Both lookout scouts and hunting parties would be male dominated.

One thing is that didgeridoos seem to have originated in Northern Australia where blankets are never used and where wetness is more of a problem, as opposed to Southern Australia where the famous American Indian blanket method might be more suitable.

> I think you should brush up on your understanding of Aboriginal spoken language before you ponder questions such as these.

I intend to do that. Got a good web reference? Film and sound archives? State Library? Museum? Any particular language you have in mind?

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Date: 26/12/2019 23:22:54
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1477476
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

mollwollfumble said:


monkey skipper said:

My limited understanding is that didgeridoos are for men only and some of the sounds made are to mimic bush animals but not limited to. I was told that woman who use a didgeridoo will succumb to a bad spirit and will become pregnant in indigenous ancient culture and beliefs.

You mention fire but aren’t didgeridoos selected from areas where termites have hollowed out small trees? they may refine the instrument with fire to remove the inner bits etc but the termites do most of the work initially (I thought).

Being men only instrument suggest men’s business at the corroborees and therefore cultural rather than practical.

Yes. refining using fire.

Howitt talks about whether it is a men-only instrument. It is in some tribes but not in others. Much as dancing in corroborees is men only in some tribes but not in others.

Smoke signals would normally be by lookout scouts on ridges and by hunting parties (Idriess). Perhaps together with main camp fire. Both lookout scouts and hunting parties would be male dominated.

One thing is that didgeridoos seem to have originated in Northern Australia where blankets are never used and where wetness is more of a problem, as opposed to Southern Australia where the famous American Indian blanket method might be more suitable.

> I think you should brush up on your understanding of Aboriginal spoken language before you ponder questions such as these.

I intend to do that. Got a good web reference? Film and sound archives? State Library? Museum? Any particular language you have in mind?

A good first year linguistics textbook might be a starting point. I’m afraid you may be deficient in understanding people with thought processes, and accordingly verbal language different to your own. You seem to have a habit of jumping to conclusions where none are warranted.

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Date: 26/12/2019 23:28:45
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1477477
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

mollwollfumble said:


monkey skipper said:

My limited understanding is that didgeridoos are for men only and some of the sounds made are to mimic bush animals but not limited to. I was told that woman who use a didgeridoo will succumb to a bad spirit and will become pregnant in indigenous ancient culture and beliefs.

You mention fire but aren’t didgeridoos selected from areas where termites have hollowed out small trees? they may refine the instrument with fire to remove the inner bits etc but the termites do most of the work initially (I thought).

Being men only instrument suggest men’s business at the corroborees and therefore cultural rather than practical.

Yes. refining using fire.

Howitt talks about whether it is a men-only instrument. It is in some tribes but not in others. Much as dancing in corroborees is men only in some tribes but not in others.

Smoke signals would normally be by lookout scouts on ridges and by hunting parties (Idriess). Perhaps together with main camp fire. Both lookout scouts and hunting parties would be male dominated.

One thing is that didgeridoos seem to have originated in Northern Australia where blankets are never used and where wetness is more of a problem, as opposed to Southern Australia where the famous American Indian blanket method might be more suitable.

> I think you should brush up on your understanding of Aboriginal spoken language before you ponder questions such as these.

I intend to do that. Got a good web reference? Film and sound archives? State Library? Museum? Any particular language you have in mind?

You could speak to indigenous people and get the answer first hand about what they were and weren’t doing.

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Date: 26/12/2019 23:49:14
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1477479
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

Don’t know why I bother to contribute to these threads as nothing seems to get through to their originator. However, the use of fire and smoke to communicate with others is very well developed in the interior where dense or tall vegetation would not obscure the signals. When non-tribal people entered anothers territory it was essential that they indicated where their presence and where they were by periodically lighting the Spinifex. There are many instances where news would travel vast distances via smoke signals, although probably within their language group.

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Date: 27/12/2019 00:07:20
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1477480
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

PermeateFree said:


Don’t know why I bother to contribute to these threads as nothing seems to get through to their originator. However, the use of fire and smoke to communicate with others is very well developed in the interior where dense or tall vegetation would not obscure the signals. When non-tribal people entered anothers territory it was essential that they indicated where their presence and where they were by periodically lighting the Spinifex. There are many instances where news would travel vast distances via smoke signals, although probably within their language group.

Weren’t agreements about sharing parts of territories at certain times of the year like the dry season in place when deemed necessary?

For example some tribes would share a waterhole during the dry season as the sources of water during those periods would’ve meant people perished without collaboration. Otherwise keeping within their own country was expected?

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Date: 27/12/2019 00:10:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1477482
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

monkey skipper said:


PermeateFree said:

Don’t know why I bother to contribute to these threads as nothing seems to get through to their originator. However, the use of fire and smoke to communicate with others is very well developed in the interior where dense or tall vegetation would not obscure the signals. When non-tribal people entered anothers territory it was essential that they indicated where their presence and where they were by periodically lighting the Spinifex. There are many instances where news would travel vast distances via smoke signals, although probably within their language group.

Weren’t agreements about sharing parts of territories at certain times of the year like the dry season in place when deemed necessary?

For example some tribes would share a waterhole during the dry season as the sources of water during those periods would’ve meant people perished without collaboration. Otherwise keeping within their own country was expected?

no Schengen Agreement here

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Date: 27/12/2019 02:53:21
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1477486
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

monkey skipper said:


PermeateFree said:

Don’t know why I bother to contribute to these threads as nothing seems to get through to their originator. However, the use of fire and smoke to communicate with others is very well developed in the interior where dense or tall vegetation would not obscure the signals. When non-tribal people entered anothers territory it was essential that they indicated where their presence and where they were by periodically lighting the Spinifex. There are many instances where news would travel vast distances via smoke signals, although probably within their language group.

Weren’t agreements about sharing parts of territories at certain times of the year like the dry season in place when deemed necessary?

For example some tribes would share a waterhole during the dry season as the sources of water during those periods would’ve meant people perished without collaboration. Otherwise keeping within their own country was expected?

Yes there was often co-operation to share resources when things like drought existed in a neighboring territory. Presumably they would be on good terms with each other as the arrangement might need to be reciprocated. Permission would still need to be granted, as it would be unlikely that they would be sharing the water hole unless very closely related.

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Date: 27/12/2019 03:43:56
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1477489
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

PermeateFree said:


Don’t know why I bother to contribute to these threads as nothing seems to get through to their originator. However, the use of fire and smoke to communicate with others is very well developed in the interior where dense or tall vegetation would not obscure the signals. When non-tribal people entered anothers territory it was essential that they indicated where their presence and where they were by periodically lighting the Spinifex. There are many instances where news would travel vast distances via smoke signals, although probably within their language group.

Yes. Also all around the coast. Even through the Kimberleys east of the Leopold Ranges where the ground isn’t exactly smooth.

As for outside language group, I’m not sure. I’m not even sure where one draws the line between “language” and “language group”.

On the topic of aboriginal languages. Howitt suggests that nobody knows which Australian language (if any) the word “corroboree” comes from. Several Aboriginal languages liked the sound of it in English and borrowed the word from English.

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Date: 27/12/2019 04:06:54
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1477490
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

mollwollfumble said:


PermeateFree said:

Don’t know why I bother to contribute to these threads as nothing seems to get through to their originator. However, the use of fire and smoke to communicate with others is very well developed in the interior where dense or tall vegetation would not obscure the signals. When non-tribal people entered anothers territory it was essential that they indicated where their presence and where they were by periodically lighting the Spinifex. There are many instances where news would travel vast distances via smoke signals, although probably within their language group.

Yes. Also all around the coast. Even through the Kimberleys east of the Leopold Ranges where the ground isn’t exactly smooth.

As for outside language group, I’m not sure. I’m not even sure where one draws the line between “language” and “language group”.

On the topic of aboriginal languages. Howitt suggests that nobody knows which Australian language (if any) the word “corroboree” comes from. Several Aboriginal languages liked the sound of it in English and borrowed the word from English.

The word “corroborie” first appeared in the newspapers in 1826, as the name of a a feast put on for the aborigines by the whites. Not for the dance-play by aborigines. So the word could have a totally white origin, based on “corroborate”.

THE CORROBORIE AT PARRAMATTA

“On Tuesday, pursuant to public notice, the corroborie or annual festival was given to the aboriginal natives. …
The native princes and princesses were shortly afterwards honored with the notice of the above gentry, who soon gave directions for the roast and boiled beef, soup, plum pudding, and grog, to be served up to the sable gentry. The chiefs, who were present on the occasion, consisted of Bungaree, Blang, Dual, Cogle, Boodeny, Niaggan, and Jebinge. They were seated at the head of their respective tribes, who were ar ranged in a semi-circular form; when their fare was placed before them, … The assemblage of the aborigines amounted to about 200. … It was hitherto deemed by them an anniversary for holding intercourse with the several tribes.”

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Date: 27/12/2019 04:19:04
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1477491
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

mollwollfumble said:


mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t know why I bother to contribute to these threads as nothing seems to get through to their originator. However, the use of fire and smoke to communicate with others is very well developed in the interior where dense or tall vegetation would not obscure the signals. When non-tribal people entered anothers territory it was essential that they indicated where their presence and where they were by periodically lighting the Spinifex. There are many instances where news would travel vast distances via smoke signals, although probably within their language group.

Yes. Also all around the coast. Even through the Kimberleys east of the Leopold Ranges where the ground isn’t exactly smooth.

As for outside language group, I’m not sure. I’m not even sure where one draws the line between “language” and “language group”.

On the topic of aboriginal languages. Howitt suggests that nobody knows which Australian language (if any) the word “corroboree” comes from. Several Aboriginal languages liked the sound of it in English and borrowed the word from English.

The word “corroborie” first appeared in the newspapers in 1826, as the name of a a feast put on for the aborigines by the whites. Not for the dance-play by aborigines. So the word could have a totally white origin, based on “corroborate”.

THE CORROBORIE AT PARRAMATTA

“On Tuesday, pursuant to public notice, the corroborie or annual festival was given to the aboriginal natives. …
The native princes and princesses were shortly afterwards honored with the notice of the above gentry, who soon gave directions for the roast and boiled beef, soup, plum pudding, and grog, to be served up to the sable gentry. The chiefs, who were present on the occasion, consisted of Bungaree, Blang, Dual, Cogle, Boodeny, Niaggan, and Jebinge. They were seated at the head of their respective tribes, who were ar ranged in a semi-circular form; when their fare was placed before them, … The assemblage of the aborigines amounted to about 200. … It was hitherto deemed by them an anniversary for holding intercourse with the several tribes.”

I noted with puzzlement that two corroborees were banned at a mission station and wondered why. Daisy Bates explained, and describes two corroborees that I’m sure the upright missionaries would want to ban. The behaviour is described as “license” (as in licentious) and she does use the word “orgy”. Not what the tourists are shown.

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Date: 27/12/2019 05:02:57
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1477492
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

mollwollfumble said:


PermeateFree said:

Don’t know why I bother to contribute to these threads as nothing seems to get through to their originator. However, the use of fire and smoke to communicate with others is very well developed in the interior where dense or tall vegetation would not obscure the signals. When non-tribal people entered anothers territory it was essential that they indicated where their presence and where they were by periodically lighting the Spinifex. There are many instances where news would travel vast distances via smoke signals, although probably within their language group.

Yes. Also all around the coast. Even through the Kimberleys east of the Leopold Ranges where the ground isn’t exactly smooth.

As for outside language group, I’m not sure. I’m not even sure where one draws the line between “language” and “language group”.

On the topic of aboriginal languages. Howitt suggests that nobody knows which Australian language (if any) the word “corroboree” comes from. Several Aboriginal languages liked the sound of it in English and borrowed the word from English.

You don’t need ‘smooth’ ground, but visually over long distances. Aborigines in hilly country would commonly camp, make and repair hunting weapons on the higher ground just below the summit, where they could see over the country principally for game, but also any activities of other people.

>>More than 250 Indigenous Australian languages including 800 dialectal varieties were spoken on the continent at the time of European settlement in 1788.<<
https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/articles/indigenous-australian-languages

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Date: 27/12/2019 05:07:17
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1477493
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

PermeateFree said:


mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t know why I bother to contribute to these threads as nothing seems to get through to their originator. However, the use of fire and smoke to communicate with others is very well developed in the interior where dense or tall vegetation would not obscure the signals. When non-tribal people entered anothers territory it was essential that they indicated where their presence and where they were by periodically lighting the Spinifex. There are many instances where news would travel vast distances via smoke signals, although probably within their language group.

Yes. Also all around the coast. Even through the Kimberleys east of the Leopold Ranges where the ground isn’t exactly smooth.

As for outside language group, I’m not sure. I’m not even sure where one draws the line between “language” and “language group”.

On the topic of aboriginal languages. Howitt suggests that nobody knows which Australian language (if any) the word “corroboree” comes from. Several Aboriginal languages liked the sound of it in English and borrowed the word from English.

You don’t need ‘smooth’ ground, but visually over long distances. Aborigines in hilly country would commonly camp, make and repair hunting weapons on the higher ground just below the summit, where they could see over the country principally for game, but also any activities of other people.

>>More than 250 Indigenous Australian languages including 800 dialectal varieties were spoken on the continent at the time of European settlement in 1788.<<
https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/articles/indigenous-australian-languages

visually should be visibility

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Date: 27/12/2019 08:55:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 1477502
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

mollwollfumble said:


Another ridiculous idea of mine.

Smoke signals were used throughout Australia and throughout the Americas and perhaps elsewhere. These could carry quite complicated ideas such as “big doctor”. So far as I can tell, no white has ever seen a smoke signal in Australia being made.

Idriess makes reference to the importance of the colour of the smoke. Howitt makes reference to hollow trees being used for making smoke signals.

Didgeridoos take a lot of making. But weren’t used as weapons, not as quarter-staffs for example, nor as walking sticks. Boomerangs serve a second importance as musical instruments, and by the number of boomerangs being clicked together it was possible to telegraph ahead how many people were in the approaching tribe.

Didgeridoos used to be made using fire, but I believe that this is no longer done, not for tourists anyway.

What if – what if the original purpose of a didgeridoo was as a portable hollow tree for making smoke signals? And it only became adapted as a type of musical instrument later.

If so, the type of material set alight inside would allow changes in smoke colour, and moving the instrument sideways, up and down, and in a circle would add extra words to the smoke signal lexicon, such as the direction of intruders.

I doubt there is any evidence at all of your supposition that didgeridoos were used for smoke signals.
There isn’t even any whihte man scince that can make sense of it.

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Date: 27/12/2019 20:34:35
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1477744
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

PermeateFree said:


PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

Yes. Also all around the coast. Even through the Kimberleys east of the Leopold Ranges where the ground isn’t exactly smooth.

As for outside language group, I’m not sure. I’m not even sure where one draws the line between “language” and “language group”.

On the topic of aboriginal languages. Howitt suggests that nobody knows which Australian language (if any) the word “corroboree” comes from. Several Aboriginal languages liked the sound of it in English and borrowed the word from English.

You don’t need ‘smooth’ ground, but visually over long distances. Aborigines in hilly country would commonly camp, make and repair hunting weapons on the higher ground just below the summit, where they could see over the country principally for game, but also any activities of other people.

>>More than 250 Indigenous Australian languages including 800 dialectal varieties were spoken on the continent at the time of European settlement in 1788.<<
https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/articles/indigenous-australian-languages

visually should be visibility

On the topic of aboriginal language. When was the word “Koori/Koorie” invented? It must have been recently.

Here are some early occurrences:

The word never makes an appearance as an aboriginal word until it appears as a translation of “Magpie” among a hundred other words in the Portland tribal language in March 1870.

From the web. “Koorie (or Koori) ‘Koorie’ derives from the word for ‘people’ in the indigenous languages of the coastal groups of central and northern New South Wales.”

Ya, na. Looks like historical revisionism to me.

Go it. Invented in 1972.

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Date: 27/12/2019 20:45:23
From: buffy
ID: 1477750
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

Have you got this link moll?

https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/articles/indigenous-australian-languages

aiatsis is a very good source for lots of things.

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Date: 27/12/2019 20:55:10
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1477754
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

buffy said:


Have you got this link moll?

https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/articles/indigenous-australian-languages

aiatsis is a very good source for lots of things.

He prefers to just make shit up.

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Date: 28/12/2019 14:07:01
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1477953
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

mollwollfumble said:


Another ridiculous idea of mine.

Smoke signals were used throughout Australia and throughout the Americas and perhaps elsewhere. These could carry quite complicated ideas such as “big doctor”. So far as I can tell, no white has ever seen a smoke signal in Australia being made.

Idriess makes reference to the importance of the colour of the smoke. Howitt makes reference to hollow trees being used for making smoke signals.


Found out more about smoke signals, from Idriess (1941). Looks similar to the Amerind use of the blanket. Still no clue as to how to read smoke signals. Or about how a single aborigine can send a smoke signal. Nemarluk is Kimberley area.

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Date: 28/12/2019 17:16:58
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1478055
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

Found a photo of “King Wongo with some of his wives”. There are 22 people in the photo: King Wongo, 13 wives and 8 children under the age of two. The photo would have been taken in the early 1930s, or perhaps late 1920s. Location Caledon Bay in Arnhem Land.

Given that bigamy is a criminal offence (under section 94 of the Marriage Act 1961), how does the government in general and bureau of statistics in particular handle their hypocrisy with respect to aboriginal marriages?

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Date: 28/12/2019 17:25:58
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1478061
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

mollwollfumble said:


Found a photo of “King Wongo with some of his wives”. There are 22 people in the photo: King Wongo, 13 wives and 8 children under the age of two. The photo would have been taken in the early 1930s, or perhaps late 1920s. Location Caledon Bay in Arnhem Land.

Given that bigamy is a criminal offence (under section 94 of the Marriage Act 1961), how does the government in general and bureau of statistics in particular handle their hypocrisy with respect to aboriginal marriages?

Marriage is a legal document not a living arrangement.

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Date: 28/12/2019 17:26:47
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1478062
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

mollwollfumble said:


Found a photo of “King Wongo with some of his wives”. There are 22 people in the photo: King Wongo, 13 wives and 8 children under the age of two. The photo would have been taken in the early 1930s, or perhaps late 1920s. Location Caledon Bay in Arnhem Land.

Given that bigamy is a criminal offence (under section 94 of the Marriage Act 1961), how does the government in general and bureau of statistics in particular handle their hypocrisy with respect to aboriginal marriages?

Technically because they did not exist until 1967. Titles of royalty did not exist in Aboriginal culture, this is a whiteman’s token acknowledgement of their important elder status.

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Date: 28/12/2019 19:57:00
From: ruby
ID: 1478094
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

mollwollfumble said:


Found a photo of “King Wongo with some of his wives”. There are 22 people in the photo: King Wongo, 13 wives and 8 children under the age of two. The photo would have been taken in the early 1930s, or perhaps late 1920s. Location Caledon Bay in Arnhem Land.

Given that bigamy is a criminal offence (under section 94 of the Marriage Act 1961), how does the government in general and bureau of statistics in particular handle their hypocrisy with respect to aboriginal marriages?

Where did you find the photo? Ion Idriess again?

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Date: 28/12/2019 20:06:44
From: party_pants
ID: 1478101
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

mollwollfumble said:


Found a photo of “King Wongo with some of his wives”. There are 22 people in the photo: King Wongo, 13 wives and 8 children under the age of two. The photo would have been taken in the early 1930s, or perhaps late 1920s. Location Caledon Bay in Arnhem Land.

Given that bigamy is a criminal offence (under section 94 of the Marriage Act 1961), how does the government in general and bureau of statistics in particular handle their hypocrisy with respect to aboriginal marriages?

De facto polygamy is perfectly legal. Even you could do it if you felt so inclined, or wealthy enough.

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Date: 28/12/2019 23:33:39
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1478186
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

when the British turned up and raised the union jack (it might surprise you but australia used to be owned by the british at one point) the aboriginals were a stone age people with limited technology, they survived for year after year, when they got sick – they died. they used to pile up stones, fashion the odd stick but that was about it, no technology, no science, no maths, no written language, no real communication from one tribe to the other tribe at the other end of the country. there was art i suppose but it was limited to a few styles, it never evolved. the distances between tribes would render smoke signals useless, sometimes they’d fight each other. with no animals such as cows/ Ox/ horses to ride or use to move stuff and people they were going nowhere. you never hear of any real oral history – no heroes or events apart from “the dreamtime”. history as we know it just didn’t exist in australia a barren, dry land punctuated with floods and fire with tribes scattered that never developed – in effect it was terra nullis.

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Date: 28/12/2019 23:37:31
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1478190
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

wookiemeister said:


when the British turned up and raised the union jack (it might surprise you but australia used to be owned by the british at one point) the aboriginals were a stone age people with limited technology, they survived for year after year, when they got sick – they died. they used to pile up stones, fashion the odd stick but that was about it, no technology, no science, no maths, no written language, no real communication from one tribe to the other tribe at the other end of the country. there was art i suppose but it was limited to a few styles, it never evolved. the distances between tribes would render smoke signals useless, sometimes they’d fight each other. with no animals such as cows/ Ox/ horses to ride or use to move stuff and people they were going nowhere. you never hear of any real oral history – no heroes or events apart from “the dreamtime”. history as we know it just didn’t exist in australia a barren, dry land punctuated with floods and fire with tribes scattered that never developed – in effect it was terra nullis.

Moll is the only person allowed to spout bullshit in these threads I’m afraid.

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Date: 28/12/2019 23:40:43
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1478192
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

when the chinese take over and push us out at the ballot box the aboriginals will get no more money from centrelink – it won’t exist.

they will be driven back into the barren wasteland whilst the machines of the government controlled mining corporation in beijing grind away digging up thousands of years of coal and useful minerals

when the chinese too fall, as they will as all empires do and civilization collapses leaving gaping holes across the landscape they will still be out there playing the long game, being born, dying an early death as most animals do here , eventually the chinese will be gone.

when the country is rediscovered the aboriginals will tell of a golden age and the men that built the ruins that lay scattered around – our civilization might only be remembered by the stories as no memory stick, computer or mobile phone will ever survive after 50,000 years.

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Date: 29/12/2019 01:36:47
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1478212
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

wookiemeister said:


when the chinese take over and push us out at the ballot box the aboriginals will get no more money from centrelink – it won’t exist.

they will be driven back into the barren wasteland whilst the machines of the government controlled mining corporation in beijing grind away digging up thousands of years of coal and useful minerals

when the chinese too fall, as they will as all empires do and civilization collapses leaving gaping holes across the landscape they will still be out there playing the long game, being born, dying an early death as most animals do here , eventually the chinese will be gone.

when the country is rediscovered the aboriginals will tell of a golden age and the men that built the ruins that lay scattered around – our civilization might only be remembered by the stories as no memory stick, computer or mobile phone will ever survive after 50,000 years.

At least I don’t feel obliged to respond to your enlightening posts Wookie, they clearly speak for themselves, but how did you get hold of a computer, hope you haven’t hurt any guards?

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Date: 29/12/2019 07:58:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1478217
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

PermeateFree said:


mollwollfumble said:

Found a photo of “King Wongo with some of his wives”. There are 22 people in the photo: King Wongo, 13 wives and 8 children under the age of two. The photo would have been taken in the early 1930s, or perhaps late 1920s. Location Caledon Bay in Arnhem Land.

Given that bigamy is a criminal offence (under section 94 of the Marriage Act 1961), how does the government in general and bureau of statistics in particular handle their hypocrisy with respect to aboriginal marriages?

Technically because they did not exist until 1967. Titles of royalty did not exist in Aboriginal culture, this is a whiteman’s token acknowledgement of their important elder status.

and who made up the name, King Wongo?

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Date: 29/12/2019 13:16:20
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1478287
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

ruby said:


mollwollfumble said:

Found a photo of “King Wongo with some of his wives”. There are 22 people in the photo: King Wongo, 13 wives and 8 children under the age of two. The photo would have been taken in the early 1930s, or perhaps late 1920s. Location Caledon Bay in Arnhem Land.

Given that bigamy is a criminal offence (under section 94 of the Marriage Act 1961), how does the government in general and bureau of statistics in particular handle their hypocrisy with respect to aboriginal marriages?

Where did you find the photo? Ion Idriess again?

Yep. Idriess “Man Tracks” reads like a yarn of dubious veracity, until you realise that it’s backed up by crime scene photos. If you ever want to read this, get an edition with the photos in it.

The crime scene photos and other photos of the patrols and captives mean that it has to be taken seriously as an accurate second-hand account of these events. It’s not solely about aborigines, one of the stories is about a white prospector who woke up one morning, took a single step, an plummeted off a precipice. His body wasn’t found but the dingos in the den across from his place of death looked well-fed. Another story is about a sinhalese who committed murder suicide. But the main text is about three aboriginal criminals: Nemarluk, King Wongo, and Tiger, and how they were tracked down by mounted policemen, aboriginal trackers, and an aboriginal spy-master known as Bul-bul.

This is the photo of King Wongo and some wives.

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Date: 1/01/2020 18:59:48
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1479714
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

mollwollfumble said:


Another ridiculous idea of mine.

Smoke signals were used throughout Australia and throughout the Americas and perhaps elsewhere. These could carry quite complicated ideas such as “big doctor”. So far as I can tell, no white has ever seen a smoke signal in Australia being made.

Idriess makes reference to the importance of the colour of the smoke. Howitt makes reference to hollow trees being used for making smoke signals.

Didgeridoos take a lot of making. But weren’t used as weapons, not as quarter-staffs for example, nor as walking sticks. Boomerangs serve a second importance as musical instruments, and by the number of boomerangs being clicked together it was possible to telegraph ahead how many people were in the approaching tribe.

Didgeridoos used to be made using fire, but I believe that this is no longer done, not for tourists anyway.

What if – what if the original purpose of a didgeridoo was as a portable hollow tree for making smoke signals? And it only became adapted as a type of musical instrument later.

If so, the type of material set alight inside would allow changes in smoke colour, and moving the instrument sideways, up and down, and in a circle would add extra words to the smoke signal lexicon, such as the direction of intruders.

Scrap that ridiculous idea.

I’ve read two more books about smoke signals. Even including whites collecting a conical pile of leaves for aborigines to use in generating smoke signals. And including a report of aborigines getting a small smoke ring to pass through the centre of a larger smoke ring.

But still no smoke signal language.

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Date: 1/01/2020 19:11:50
From: AwesomeO
ID: 1479715
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

Don’t know how much information you can get from smoke signals, I don’t think they have the fidelity to do coherent dots and dashes. Good for prearranged stuff though, we have arrived, we are leaving, things are good black smoke, send lawyers, guns and money white smoke. Blue haze it’s kippers for breakfast.

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Date: 1/01/2020 19:18:54
From: transition
ID: 1479716
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

AwesomeO said:


Don’t know how much information you can get from smoke signals, I don’t think they have the fidelity to do coherent dots and dashes. Good for prearranged stuff though, we have arrived, we are leaving, things are good black smoke, send lawyers, guns and money white smoke. Blue haze it’s kippers for breakfast.

guess lot of it would be in the spaces between puffs, frequency and groups etc

could get mistranslated on a windy day though, depending on viewing angle, something like help could become we’re going to murder you all at sunrise, so you’d be watching the wind

quite useless if wanted send a message at night, no sun to illuminate the smoke, but you know if you’re talking to yourself it’d be fine

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Date: 1/01/2020 19:37:05
From: dv
ID: 1479720
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

If you had patience you could generate a complex system that could transmit any message.

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Date: 1/01/2020 19:39:08
From: AwesomeO
ID: 1479722
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

dv said:


If you had patience you could generate a complex system that could transmit any message.

I am sure you could but you come up against practicality. And the weather. Depending on the complexity would be quicker to send a runner…

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Date: 1/01/2020 20:04:59
From: transition
ID: 1479726
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

got me thinking how useful the mirror has been for communications(surveyors too), Len Beadell and his grader driver might still be trying to get those roads finished

a great australian

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Date: 1/01/2020 20:55:45
From: ruby
ID: 1479737
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

So far as I can tell, no white has ever seen a smoke signal in Australia being made.

Try this article from Trove, 1893 (didn’t really have to look far). No didgeridoo but there is mention of the use of a tube of bark. And skill.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/25666458

SMOKE SIGNALS OF THE AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINES.
MR. A. T. MAGAREY’S INVESTIGATIONS.
Among anthropological subjects worthy of systematic study is that of the smoke signals of Australian aborigines. It is a question full of interest, meriting thorough investigation, and the first attempt to deal with the matter exhaustively in a scientific spirit has been made by Mr. A. T. Magarey, of Adelaide, who laid the results of his researches before the recent meeting of the Australasian Association for the Advancement of Science. Some sketch of a number of the leading points in the paper should accordingly prove attractive. It was on the afternoon of April 20, 1770, that the smoke signals of the Australian aborigines were first seen by Captain Cook, and were taken by him as proof that the land which he had discovered was the home of a new race of humanity. The same smoke spoke to the watchful eyes of the nomads of the wilds of the presence upon their southern seas of a strange big “canoe,” and the warning sign sped on from point to point along the coast. These signals are after all no new things, but date far back into the past.
Bla blah blah
All over Australia the native took with him as he travelled his spear, his boomerang, and his fire stick. As occasion required he sent rushing into the air his token of warning or welcome, of invitation or defiance, of sorrow or rejoicing. Brothers in the chase were summoned to aid in the pursuit of bounding boomah or flying euro. Friends were warned away from dried up well or empty rock-hole in the thirsty desert or bidden to hurry to the gladdening waters of the big lagoon, rich with fish in its depths, shells on its banks, fowl on its shaded bosom, with emu, wallaby, and kangaroo in the sturdy bush surrounding it. The column of smoke by day, according to its form and color, told of the death of the warrior or of lubra. Whirling smoke signs were read with bright watchful eyes as they bade the tribes around to the feast, the dance, the camp fire, or the corroborree, or warned the enemythat dusky braves were on the path.
The natives use for the purposes of signalling several forms of smoke, and amongst others the following are in regular use:—
(a) A slender column of pale-hued smoke;
(b) a heavy column of pale-hued smoke;
© a slender column of black (or dark) smoke;
(d)a heavy column of black (or dark) smoke ;
(e)a spiral-coil form of pale and dark (each) smoke;
(f) interrupted or intermittent smokes, e.g., in puffs, balloons, balls, parallels, &c.;
(g) groups of smokes, one, two, or three of any one form, or of several forms at times merged.

At times we have combinations of form from the same smoke-column by means of sudden wavings of sheets of bark, causing side puffs of the smoke to rise on alternate sides of the producing blaze. By skilful manipulation of the smoke-pillar two columns rise in the air parallel to each other, one column pale-hued, one column dark. This last effect is obtained by using a tube or barrel of tree bark so held in a slanting position as to catch the dark smoke (purposely raised on a special part of the fire) and allowing it to be emitted from the mouth of the tube beside but apart from the pale smoke rising from the rest of the fire.
The spiral form is secured at times by lighting bushes or clumps of grass that have been twisted into a denser mass by the action of the wind and throwing the top of the bush or clump to a point. The fire rushes with intense velocity through the growth, and the smoke rises in swirls and coils into the upper air. The same effect is produced by the manipulation of a large skin or a rug; two natives standing on opposite sides of the fire, and giving the skin a circular movement on an inclined plane, the smoke is formed into coils as it ascends. Balloons or balls of smoke are so produced as to secure a succession of five or seven in a column at once, the balls of black smoke rising at fairly regular distances from each other into the upper shaft of the column. This effect is procured either by placing young succulent growth, green or damp leaves, or green grass or spinifex upon the fire, then suddenly removing the same or smothering it for a brief space under
a pile of quickly imposed bushes. Or a large rug in held over the rising smoke column, and the darker smoke allowed for a moment to accumulate; then by tbe quick removal of the rug the accumulated balloon is released and permitted to rise; the process is repeated as often as required by the signal to be conveyed. Festoons of smoke are employed upon occasion, usually used by a native moving rapidly who wishes to convey a quickly passing message to his own people. A string of grass is made and hung upon the boughs of a convenient tree, then lighted, and the
signaller speeds on. Balls of grass tied with strings of human hair are made and used at intervals. In Victoria, on the Darling, and in the Northern Territory, hollow trees are used for signal smokes. Green or damp material is thrust into the hollow, dry fuel is placed beneath, and the hot blast rushing through carries the dark smoke up through the tube and into the air in the form of a thin, regular, but far ascending dark column of smoke. Owing to the disinclination of the natives to yield up information in their possession concerning smoke signals, it is difficult to learn much as to the
meanings attached to the various forms known to be in use.

Some instances of the value of smoke signals will be of interest :—Streaky Bay—Twenty years ago a blackfellow died 135 miles north- west of Fowler’s Bay. Two days afterwards informant found on his arrival that the blacks were already aware of the death. They knew of it by signal. There was no other possible means by which they could know.
To the east of Barrow Creek telegraph station, on the Sandover River country, amongst other means of raising the large dark smoke signal, the custom is to set fire to large plots of
luxuriant growth of grass, having previously overlaid tbe grass with green boughs broken from the adjacent acacia bushes, or a place thickly overgrown with a peculiar succulent acacia may be selected. This acacia contains large proportion of resinous properties and burns very freely even when green. Tbe natives have been known in one instance to follow an explorer closely for some 40 miles (two days) constantly raising columns of light (the rapid) smokes, and by this means collecting the scattered members or warriors of the tribe. Finding themselves unable to keep
pace with the white man, on the fourth day immense columns of dark smoke were raised in rapid succession along the course of the Sandover River, stretching across a tract of country of 100 miles in length, tbe nearest smoke column being over 50 miles distant. Evidently the river formed the western and southern boundary of the tribal territory, and the natives were informing their
friends that the intruder had departed into the territory of the range tribe to the westward. These huge dark columns of smoke rose majestically into the upper air, ultimately assuming at the apex a cumulus cloud form at a height of from 1,500 to 2,000 ft. As the column rose from the burning material which formed it the color was exceedingly dark. As the smoke rushed upwards the dark hue
gradually merged into pale hue, and further aloft to steamy white. Still higher the pure white continued, till, spreading out, as the dew point was reached, a huge cloud-form was assumed. This cloud-form, still rising towards its centre, attained its greatest altitude at the apex, right over the column.
The rays of the western sun, gleaming upon the pure white cloud-form, and illuminating it into a beauteous silvery brightness, made up, in contrast with the deepening shades of color
below, a picture surprising, unique, grand, inspiring. The rank of giant signal columns rushing up so suddenly and regularly from the earth, and with such marvellous rapidity assuming the graceful form and proportions just described, gradually outspread and merged into immense clouds, overshadowing the whole horizon. The immense distance to which the rank extended reduced in gradation the apparent height of the columns until the most distant seemed as a cloud to float upon the utmost horizon.

The meanings of spiral coils are curious and some account of them is here given:—
Spiral coils of thin pale or dark smoke —Powell’s Creek Tribe.—Native name of the signal “Mullagar Winlabardim” and meaning “All about; come quick: plenty of kangaroo.”
Similar coils of dense dark smoke “Umbarunnie“mean “Two men come quick ; help carry game.”
Barrow Creek Tribe—Thin pale coil of spiral smoke.—A husband notifies that his lubra is dead. Manner of producing the signal: —A circular fire of grass, with a large log of wood in the centre, is constructed, having a train (for use in igniting the fire) leading away from the material for the fire about twelve yards in length. This form of signal is generally raised in scrub and close
to a white gum-tree.
Tennant’s Creek Tribe—A dark spiral coil.—Native name of the signal, “Talla paramunda,” meaning, “We are travelling and hunting.”
Port Darwin Tribe—Signal of pale (light) color.— Whilst the survey of Port Darwin country (1869) was in full progress, and only a small proportion of the men were at the main camp at Fort Point, the officer in charge was one day informed that war signals were being made by the natives. Upon ascending the hill to investigate two spiral coils of light smoke were observed, the spiral form being given to the smoke signal by the blacks. Skins held by two natives were kept turning with a circular motion in an inclined plane over the rising smoke so as to cut the column at each revolution of the skin, and to give a spiral form and motion to the smoke as it rose, the fire being of dry wood. No answering signals were observed to be made by the other blacks, but nevertheless precautions were taken to protect the camp in case of a possible attack. In the afternoon of the day on which those signals were made only three blacks were at the camp. At daylight of the next morning, however, between 600 and 700 natives surrounded the camp. These had crossed Port Darwin in their canoes in the moonlight during that night. The warriors were painted and fully armed. As is usual the meditated attack was preceded by violent harangues, and the leading natives walked backwards and forwards shaking their spears and all ready for attack. Some danger must, however, have been suspected, for suddenly their weapons were thrown down, they ran off to their canoes and got away.

Mr. Magarey has further dealt with balloon smokes, complex forms, hollow-tree smokes, and smoke puffs, and illustrations of their use are plentiful.

The concluding part of the paper deserves special attention and is given verbatim :—As to any practical use which in tbe interests of civilisation may be made of the natives’ system of smoke signals Australia is a land which, owing to its physical characteristics, for many years to come must be occupied towards the centre by a sparse widely-separated population. Bushmen, travellers, carriers in those regions where waters are few and far apart, will always find use for a system of smoke signals by which to span the long distances of the far interior. Let for instance the larger dark column of smoke be chosen as the code-signal indicating distress, as the half masted flag indicates trouble at sea. In native fashion let the same signal-form be used as the “Reply smoke.” A man, for example, is “ lost,” is ill, is perishing of thirst, and is miles from any station or help. Let him raise, from material at hand, tbe dark-smoke signal, and keep it going till rescued, and let him stay by his smoke. Ere long his gladdened eyes will see the welcome “Reply smoke” rising far aloft, and telling him “Your smoke is seen, and help will reach you soon.” How different the position of this “done-up” bushman from that of so many distressed men who to-day perish miserably and alone, only because they cannot say, as the intelligent aboriginal similarly placed, does say—
“One fellow sit down ill. Send a man !”
Using native methods, our bushmen and the police might readily adopt a code of a few simple smoke-signals for use in tbe bush, just as life-ropes and lifebuoys are used on our seaboard. Then let Australian bushmen everywhere regard these special smoke signals as devoted (in their distant wilds) to the sacred use of rescue and life saving. And many an otherwise “Unknown.” instead of being found dead, will have good cause to bless the Australian aborigine for his useful and graceful smoke signals.

As the visitor to the great “Mammoth Cave” of Kentucky is shown branch after branch of that cavern by his darkie guide, all of which he must pass by and leave unexplored, so in gathering these spoils from the customs and folk lore of our dusky fellow-countrymen I have had to leave on one side fire signals and message sticks, hunting, snaring, fishing, and other by-paths, all of which would tempt one to turn aside from the task self-assigned. As it is only the boundary line has been crossed, and the whole wide field of these smoke signals, their use and their code meanings still lies open before the future explorer. As the brave indomitable Eyre traversed the coast-line of Australia from Port Lincoln to the “Sound,” so has this paper skirted only the shore, and left it for some Stuart, or Giles, or Forrest, to search through the great unknown, and bring back new facts concerning the smoke signals of our Australian aborigines.

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Date: 1/01/2020 21:46:45
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1479766
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

ruby said:


So far as I can tell, no white has ever seen a smoke signal in Australia being made.

Try this article from Trove, 1893 (didn’t really have to look far). No didgeridoo but there is mention of the use of a tube of bark. And skill.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/25666458

SMOKE SIGNALS OF THE AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINES.
MR. A. T. MAGAREY’S INVESTIGATIONS.
Among anthropological subjects worthy of systematic study is that of the smoke signals of Australian aborigines. It is a question full of interest, meriting thorough investigation, and the first attempt to deal with the matter exhaustively in a scientific spirit has been made by Mr. A. T. Magarey, of Adelaide, who laid the results of his researches before the recent meeting of the Australasian Association for the Advancement of Science. Some sketch of a number of the leading points in the paper should accordingly prove attractive. It was on the afternoon of April 20, 1770, that the smoke signals of the Australian aborigines were first seen by Captain Cook, and were taken by him as proof that the land which he had discovered was the home of a new race of humanity. The same smoke spoke to the watchful eyes of the nomads of the wilds of the presence upon their southern seas of a strange big “canoe,” and the warning sign sped on from point to point along the coast. These signals are after all no new things, but date far back into the past.
Bla blah blah
All over Australia the native took with him as he travelled his spear, his boomerang, and his fire stick. As occasion required he sent rushing into the air his token of warning or welcome, of invitation or defiance, of sorrow or rejoicing. Brothers in the chase were summoned to aid in the pursuit of bounding boomah or flying euro. Friends were warned away from dried up well or empty rock-hole in the thirsty desert or bidden to hurry to the gladdening waters of the big lagoon, rich with fish in its depths, shells on its banks, fowl on its shaded bosom, with emu, wallaby, and kangaroo in the sturdy bush surrounding it. The column of smoke by day, according to its form and color, told of the death of the warrior or of lubra. Whirling smoke signs were read with bright watchful eyes as they bade the tribes around to the feast, the dance, the camp fire, or the corroborree, or warned the enemythat dusky braves were on the path.
The natives use for the purposes of signalling several forms of smoke, and amongst others the following are in regular use:—
(a) A slender column of pale-hued smoke;
(b) a heavy column of pale-hued smoke;
© a slender column of black (or dark) smoke;
(d)a heavy column of black (or dark) smoke ;
(e)a spiral-coil form of pale and dark (each) smoke;
(f) interrupted or intermittent smokes, e.g., in puffs, balloons, balls, parallels, &c.;
(g) groups of smokes, one, two, or three of any one form, or of several forms at times merged.

At times we have combinations of form from the same smoke-column by means of sudden wavings of sheets of bark, causing side puffs of the smoke to rise on alternate sides of the producing blaze. By skilful manipulation of the smoke-pillar two columns rise in the air parallel to each other, one column pale-hued, one column dark. This last effect is obtained by using a tube or barrel of tree bark so held in a slanting position as to catch the dark smoke (purposely raised on a special part of the fire) and allowing it to be emitted from the mouth of the tube beside but apart from the pale smoke rising from the rest of the fire.
The spiral form is secured at times by lighting bushes or clumps of grass that have been twisted into a denser mass by the action of the wind and throwing the top of the bush or clump to a point. The fire rushes with intense velocity through the growth, and the smoke rises in swirls and coils into the upper air. The same effect is produced by the manipulation of a large skin or a rug; two natives standing on opposite sides of the fire, and giving the skin a circular movement on an inclined plane, the smoke is formed into coils as it ascends. Balloons or balls of smoke are so produced as to secure a succession of five or seven in a column at once, the balls of black smoke rising at fairly regular distances from each other into the upper shaft of the column. This effect is procured either by placing young succulent growth, green or damp leaves, or green grass or spinifex upon the fire, then suddenly removing the same or smothering it for a brief space under
a pile of quickly imposed bushes. Or a large rug in held over the rising smoke column, and the darker smoke allowed for a moment to accumulate; then by tbe quick removal of the rug the accumulated balloon is released and permitted to rise; the process is repeated as often as required by the signal to be conveyed. Festoons of smoke are employed upon occasion, usually used by a native moving rapidly who wishes to convey a quickly passing message to his own people. A string of grass is made and hung upon the boughs of a convenient tree, then lighted, and the
signaller speeds on. Balls of grass tied with strings of human hair are made and used at intervals. In Victoria, on the Darling, and in the Northern Territory, hollow trees are used for signal smokes. Green or damp material is thrust into the hollow, dry fuel is placed beneath, and the hot blast rushing through carries the dark smoke up through the tube and into the air in the form of a thin, regular, but far ascending dark column of smoke. Owing to the disinclination of the natives to yield up information in their possession concerning smoke signals, it is difficult to learn much as to the
meanings attached to the various forms known to be in use.

Some instances of the value of smoke signals will be of interest :—Streaky Bay—Twenty years ago a blackfellow died 135 miles north- west of Fowler’s Bay. Two days afterwards informant found on his arrival that the blacks were already aware of the death. They knew of it by signal. There was no other possible means by which they could know.
To the east of Barrow Creek telegraph station, on the Sandover River country, amongst other means of raising the large dark smoke signal, the custom is to set fire to large plots of
luxuriant growth of grass, having previously overlaid tbe grass with green boughs broken from the adjacent acacia bushes, or a place thickly overgrown with a peculiar succulent acacia may be selected. This acacia contains large proportion of resinous properties and burns very freely even when green. Tbe natives have been known in one instance to follow an explorer closely for some 40 miles (two days) constantly raising columns of light (the rapid) smokes, and by this means collecting the scattered members or warriors of the tribe. Finding themselves unable to keep
pace with the white man, on the fourth day immense columns of dark smoke were raised in rapid succession along the course of the Sandover River, stretching across a tract of country of 100 miles in length, tbe nearest smoke column being over 50 miles distant. Evidently the river formed the western and southern boundary of the tribal territory, and the natives were informing their
friends that the intruder had departed into the territory of the range tribe to the westward. These huge dark columns of smoke rose majestically into the upper air, ultimately assuming at the apex a cumulus cloud form at a height of from 1,500 to 2,000 ft. As the column rose from the burning material which formed it the color was exceedingly dark. As the smoke rushed upwards the dark hue
gradually merged into pale hue, and further aloft to steamy white. Still higher the pure white continued, till, spreading out, as the dew point was reached, a huge cloud-form was assumed. This cloud-form, still rising towards its centre, attained its greatest altitude at the apex, right over the column.
The rays of the western sun, gleaming upon the pure white cloud-form, and illuminating it into a beauteous silvery brightness, made up, in contrast with the deepening shades of color
below, a picture surprising, unique, grand, inspiring. The rank of giant signal columns rushing up so suddenly and regularly from the earth, and with such marvellous rapidity assuming the graceful form and proportions just described, gradually outspread and merged into immense clouds, overshadowing the whole horizon. The immense distance to which the rank extended reduced in gradation the apparent height of the columns until the most distant seemed as a cloud to float upon the utmost horizon.

The meanings of spiral coils are curious and some account of them is here given:—
Spiral coils of thin pale or dark smoke —Powell’s Creek Tribe.—Native name of the signal “Mullagar Winlabardim” and meaning “All about; come quick: plenty of kangaroo.”
Similar coils of dense dark smoke “Umbarunnie“mean “Two men come quick ; help carry game.”
Barrow Creek Tribe—Thin pale coil of spiral smoke.—A husband notifies that his lubra is dead. Manner of producing the signal: —A circular fire of grass, with a large log of wood in the centre, is constructed, having a train (for use in igniting the fire) leading away from the material for the fire about twelve yards in length. This form of signal is generally raised in scrub and close
to a white gum-tree.
Tennant’s Creek Tribe—A dark spiral coil.—Native name of the signal, “Talla paramunda,” meaning, “We are travelling and hunting.”
Port Darwin Tribe—Signal of pale (light) color.— Whilst the survey of Port Darwin country (1869) was in full progress, and only a small proportion of the men were at the main camp at Fort Point, the officer in charge was one day informed that war signals were being made by the natives. Upon ascending the hill to investigate two spiral coils of light smoke were observed, the spiral form being given to the smoke signal by the blacks. Skins held by two natives were kept turning with a circular motion in an inclined plane over the rising smoke so as to cut the column at each revolution of the skin, and to give a spiral form and motion to the smoke as it rose, the fire being of dry wood. No answering signals were observed to be made by the other blacks, but nevertheless precautions were taken to protect the camp in case of a possible attack. In the afternoon of the day on which those signals were made only three blacks were at the camp. At daylight of the next morning, however, between 600 and 700 natives surrounded the camp. These had crossed Port Darwin in their canoes in the moonlight during that night. The warriors were painted and fully armed. As is usual the meditated attack was preceded by violent harangues, and the leading natives walked backwards and forwards shaking their spears and all ready for attack. Some danger must, however, have been suspected, for suddenly their weapons were thrown down, they ran off to their canoes and got away.

Mr. Magarey has further dealt with balloon smokes, complex forms, hollow-tree smokes, and smoke puffs, and illustrations of their use are plentiful.

The concluding part of the paper deserves special attention and is given verbatim :—As to any practical use which in tbe interests of civilisation may be made of the natives’ system of smoke signals Australia is a land which, owing to its physical characteristics, for many years to come must be occupied towards the centre by a sparse widely-separated population. Bushmen, travellers, carriers in those regions where waters are few and far apart, will always find use for a system of smoke signals by which to span the long distances of the far interior. Let for instance the larger dark column of smoke be chosen as the code-signal indicating distress, as the half masted flag indicates trouble at sea. In native fashion let the same signal-form be used as the “Reply smoke.” A man, for example, is “ lost,” is ill, is perishing of thirst, and is miles from any station or help. Let him raise, from material at hand, tbe dark-smoke signal, and keep it going till rescued, and let him stay by his smoke. Ere long his gladdened eyes will see the welcome “Reply smoke” rising far aloft, and telling him “Your smoke is seen, and help will reach you soon.” How different the position of this “done-up” bushman from that of so many distressed men who to-day perish miserably and alone, only because they cannot say, as the intelligent aboriginal similarly placed, does say—
“One fellow sit down ill. Send a man !”
Using native methods, our bushmen and the police might readily adopt a code of a few simple smoke-signals for use in tbe bush, just as life-ropes and lifebuoys are used on our seaboard. Then let Australian bushmen everywhere regard these special smoke signals as devoted (in their distant wilds) to the sacred use of rescue and life saving. And many an otherwise “Unknown.” instead of being found dead, will have good cause to bless the Australian aborigine for his useful and graceful smoke signals.

As the visitor to the great “Mammoth Cave” of Kentucky is shown branch after branch of that cavern by his darkie guide, all of which he must pass by and leave unexplored, so in gathering these spoils from the customs and folk lore of our dusky fellow-countrymen I have had to leave on one side fire signals and message sticks, hunting, snaring, fishing, and other by-paths, all of which would tempt one to turn aside from the task self-assigned. As it is only the boundary line has been crossed, and the whole wide field of these smoke signals, their use and their code meanings still lies open before the future explorer. As the brave indomitable Eyre traversed the coast-line of Australia from Port Lincoln to the “Sound,” so has this paper skirted only the shore, and left it for some Stuart, or Giles, or Forrest, to search through the great unknown, and bring back new facts concerning the smoke signals of our Australian aborigines.

There you go moll, not as dumb as you think.

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Date: 1/01/2020 22:08:55
From: AwesomeO
ID: 1479774
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

And what a coincidence, smoke signal used just then on Vikings. A green leafy fire set by a piquets in a valley, seen by another picquet on a height who used a horn to signal the settlement in the next valley.

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Date: 1/01/2020 22:17:14
From: ruby
ID: 1479776
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

AwesomeO said:


And what a coincidence, smoke signal used just then on Vikings. A green leafy fire set by a piquets in a valley, seen by another picquet on a height who used a horn to signal the settlement in the next valley.

I had a quiet chuckle at that. And smoke signals to Canberra-

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Date: 1/01/2020 22:22:58
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1479777
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

AwesomeO said:


And what a coincidence, smoke signal used just then on Vikings. A green leafy fire set by a piquets in a valley, seen by another picquet on a height who used a horn to signal the settlement in the next valley.

Probably learnt it off our aboriginals on one of their exploratory travels.

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Date: 1/01/2020 22:44:01
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1479778
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

JudgeMental said:


AwesomeO said:

And what a coincidence, smoke signal used just then on Vikings. A green leafy fire set by a piquets in a valley, seen by another picquet on a height who used a horn to signal the settlement in the next valley.

Probably learnt it off our aboriginals on one of their exploratory travels.

On the way to Corsica.

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Date: 1/01/2020 22:51:00
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1479779
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

Witty Rejoinder said:


JudgeMental said:

AwesomeO said:

And what a coincidence, smoke signal used just then on Vikings. A green leafy fire set by a piquets in a valley, seen by another picquet on a height who used a horn to signal the settlement in the next valley.

Probably learnt it off our aboriginals on one of their exploratory travels.

On the way to Corsica.

I told sven to turn left at Gibraltar!!!

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Date: 2/01/2020 08:37:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1479816
Subject: re: Didgeridoo and Smoke signals?

Arthur Upfield spoke of looking into the fire and communicating telepathically in his Bony novels but I daresay that the fella looking at the fire was probably waving a kangaroo skin as well.

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