Date: 10/01/2020 17:22:35
From: dv
ID: 1484458
Subject: Bots on arson

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/08/twitter-bots-trolls-australian-bushfires-social-media-disinformation-campaign-false-claims

Bots and trolls spread false arson claims in Australian fires ‘disinformation campaign’
Online posts exaggerating the role of arson are being used to undermine the link between bushfires and climate change

Bot and troll accounts are involved in a “disinformation campaign” exaggerating the role of arson in Australia’s bushfire disaster, social media analysis suggests.

The bushfires burning across the nation have been accompanied by repeated suggestions of an arson epidemic or “arson emergency”.

The false claims are, in some cases, used to undermine the link between the current bushfires and the longer, more intense fire seasons brought about by climate change.

The Queensland University of Technology senior lecturer on social network analysis Dr Timothy Graham examined content published on the #arsonemergency hashtag on Twitter, assessing 1,340 tweets, 1,203 of which were unique, published by 315 accounts.

“The conspiracy theories going around (including arson as the main cause of the fires) reflect an increased distrust in scientific expertise, scepticism of the media, and rejection of liberal democratic authority. These are all major factors in the global fight against disinformation, and based on my preliminary analysis it appears that Australia has for better or worse entered that battlefield, at least for now.”

There is no dispute that arson is a serious problem in Australia, or that arsonists have not been active in the current bushfire season. NSW police say they have charged 24 people with deliberately lighting bushfires this season.

But that does not detract from the clear scientific evidence showing climate change is making Australia’s bushfire seasons longer and more severe. The Bureau of Meteorology’s clear advice is that climate change is “influencing the frequency and severity of dangerous bushfire conditions in Australia and other regions of the world, including through influencing temperature, environmental moisture, weather patterns and fuel conditions”.

“Bushfire weather conditions in future years are projected to increase in severity for many regions of Australasia, including due to more extreme heat events, with the rate and magnitude of change increasing with greenhouse gas concentrations (and emissions),” the bureau says.

Claims about arson are not the only falsehoods being spread on social media. Other patently false claims include that the government has created the bushfire crisis to clear land for high-speed rail. Another absurd claim is that Islamic State is somehow responsible.

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:27:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1484467
Subject: re: Bots on arson

posted couple of days ago..

From: sarahs mum
ID: 1483014
Subject: We are being botted.

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following my guesses pre release of news in the chat thread that.. we were being botted.

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:28:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1484469
Subject: re: Bots on arson

sarahs mum said:


posted couple of days ago..

From: sarahs mum
ID: 1483014
Subject: We are being botted.

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following my guesses pre release of news in the chat thread that.. we were being botted.

We’ve been botted since the internet began.

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:31:39
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1484472
Subject: re: Bots on arson

We need to find all those lightning strikes.
All the lighting strikes will be “Charged” with arson.

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:36:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1484473
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Tau.Neutrino said:


We need to find all those lightning strikes.
All the lighting strikes will be “Charged” with arson.

In all actuality we don’t yet have any reports of lightning strikes starting these fires to my limited knowledge. We can assume that some were. maybe. There may have been lightning generated by the fires that spotted new fires but otherwise I’d say no.

Maybe the people that toss away disposable cigarette lighters should be charged with potentially premeditated arson.

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:37:29
From: Michael V
ID: 1484474
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Tau.Neutrino said:


We need to find all those lightning strikes.
All the lighting strikes will be “Charged” with arson.

:)

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:38:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 1484476
Subject: re: Bots on arson

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

We need to find all those lightning strikes.
All the lighting strikes will be “Charged” with arson.

In all actuality we don’t yet have any reports of lightning strikes starting these fires to my limited knowledge. We can assume that some were. maybe. There may have been lightning generated by the fires that spotted new fires but otherwise I’d say no.

Maybe the people that toss away disposable cigarette lighters should be charged with potentially premeditated arson.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-11-20/bushfire-ignition-source-how-we-know/11701132

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:39:24
From: Michael V
ID: 1484477
Subject: re: Bots on arson

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

We need to find all those lightning strikes.
All the lighting strikes will be “Charged” with arson.

In all actuality we don’t yet have any reports of lightning strikes starting these fires to my limited knowledge. We can assume that some were. maybe. There may have been lightning generated by the fires that spotted new fires but otherwise I’d say no.

Maybe the people that toss away disposable cigarette lighters should be charged with potentially premeditated arson.

Two new fires (north of Coonabarabran and in the Blue Mountains) today were put down as started by lightning strikes.

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:39:27
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1484478
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Arson on a scale

Some would be kids playing with fire.

Some people not knowing what they are doing.

then the more dangerous ones.

Some arsonists would be idiots.

Some doing it for criminal purposes.

Some doing it for terrorist purposes.

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:40:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 1484480
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

We need to find all those lightning strikes.
All the lighting strikes will be “Charged” with arson.

In all actuality we don’t yet have any reports of lightning strikes starting these fires to my limited knowledge. We can assume that some were. maybe. There may have been lightning generated by the fires that spotted new fires but otherwise I’d say no.

Maybe the people that toss away disposable cigarette lighters should be charged with potentially premeditated arson.

Two new fires (north of Coonabarabran and in the Blue Mountains) today were put down as started by lightning strikes.

Likely enough.

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:40:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1484481
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Tau.Neutrino said:


Arson on a scale

Some would be kids playing with fire.

Some people not knowing what they are doing.

then the more dangerous ones.

Some arsonists would be idiots.

Some doing it for criminal purposes.

Some doing it for terrorist purposes.

Most, just being fucking careless.

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:43:07
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1484484
Subject: re: Bots on arson

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Arson on a scale

Some would be kids playing with fire.

Some people not knowing what they are doing.

then the more dangerous ones.

Some arsonists would be idiots.

Some doing it for criminal purposes.

Some doing it for terrorist purposes.

Most, just being fucking careless.

True

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:44:16
From: dv
ID: 1484485
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Indeed if I had a pet Varanus bitatawa, I would call it Alan Twodick

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:46:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1484487
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Tau.Neutrino said:


Arson on a scale

Some would be kids playing with fire.

Some people not knowing what they are doing.

then the more dangerous ones.

Some arsonists would be idiots.

Some doing it for criminal purposes.

Some doing it for terrorist purposes.

What the release actually says is that legal action was taken against 183 people since November 8, 2019, for fire-related offenses, including things like improperly discarding cigarettes or not taking enough precautions around machinery, i.e. not arson. Legal action “ranges from cautions through to criminal charges,” according to NSW police, so not everyone is being charged with a crime. And not all of these penalties are for incidents linked to the wildfires.

It turns out that only 24 people are currently facing criminal charges for deliberately igniting fires in New South Wales, and even fewer have actually managed to start large fires. Remember that this is the number of people charged over the course of three months. There have been thousands of bushfires burning across Australia since September, scorching an area larger than West Virginia. As of Thursday morning, there were close to 150 different fires burning across New South Wales. Many of them are burning in remote, sparsely populated areas. So clearly this is not just the work of prolific pyromaniacs.

https://www.vox.com/2020/1/9/21058332/australia-fires-arson-lightning-explained

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:48:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 1484488
Subject: re: Bots on arson

dv said:


Indeed if I had a pet Varanus bitatawa, I would call it Alan Twodick

Would you call your Echidna quadroglans?

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:49:17
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1484489
Subject: re: Bots on arson

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

We need to find all those lightning strikes.
All the lighting strikes will be “Charged” with arson.

In all actuality we don’t yet have any reports of lightning strikes starting these fires to my limited knowledge. We can assume that some were. maybe. There may have been lightning generated by the fires that spotted new fires but otherwise I’d say no.

Maybe the people that toss away disposable cigarette lighters should be charged with potentially premeditated arson.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-11-20/bushfire-ignition-source-how-we-know/11701132

Quite a range of sources.

I wonder if any space debris or meteorite impact has caused ground fires?

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:50:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 1484491
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Tau.Neutrino said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

In all actuality we don’t yet have any reports of lightning strikes starting these fires to my limited knowledge. We can assume that some were. maybe. There may have been lightning generated by the fires that spotted new fires but otherwise I’d say no.

Maybe the people that toss away disposable cigarette lighters should be charged with potentially premeditated arson.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-11-20/bushfire-ignition-source-how-we-know/11701132

Quite a range of sources.

I wonder if any space debris or meteorite impact has caused ground fires?

Some have caused mass extinctions?

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:52:08
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1484494
Subject: re: Bots on arson

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-11-20/bushfire-ignition-source-how-we-know/11701132

Quite a range of sources.

I wonder if any space debris or meteorite impact has caused ground fires?

Some have caused mass extinctions?

Big ones, yes.

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:54:29
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1484496
Subject: re: Bots on arson

sarahs mum said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Arson on a scale

Some would be kids playing with fire.

Some people not knowing what they are doing.

then the more dangerous ones.

Some arsonists would be idiots.

Some doing it for criminal purposes.

Some doing it for terrorist purposes.

What the release actually says is that legal action was taken against 183 people since November 8, 2019, for fire-related offenses, including things like improperly discarding cigarettes or not taking enough precautions around machinery, i.e. not arson. Legal action “ranges from cautions through to criminal charges,” according to NSW police, so not everyone is being charged with a crime. And not all of these penalties are for incidents linked to the wildfires.

It turns out that only 24 people are currently facing criminal charges for deliberately igniting fires in New South Wales, and even fewer have actually managed to start large fires. Remember that this is the number of people charged over the course of three months. There have been thousands of bushfires burning across Australia since September, scorching an area larger than West Virginia. As of Thursday morning, there were close to 150 different fires burning across New South Wales. Many of them are burning in remote, sparsely populated areas. So clearly this is not just the work of prolific pyromaniacs.

https://www.vox.com/2020/1/9/21058332/australia-fires-arson-lightning-explained

I wonder to what extent, terrorism, is behind some of these fires.?

If there is, a network of cells doing this?

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Date: 10/01/2020 17:57:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 1484498
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Tau.Neutrino said:


sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Arson on a scale

Some would be kids playing with fire.

Some people not knowing what they are doing.

then the more dangerous ones.

Some arsonists would be idiots.

Some doing it for criminal purposes.

Some doing it for terrorist purposes.

What the release actually says is that legal action was taken against 183 people since November 8, 2019, for fire-related offenses, including things like improperly discarding cigarettes or not taking enough precautions around machinery, i.e. not arson. Legal action “ranges from cautions through to criminal charges,” according to NSW police, so not everyone is being charged with a crime. And not all of these penalties are for incidents linked to the wildfires.

It turns out that only 24 people are currently facing criminal charges for deliberately igniting fires in New South Wales, and even fewer have actually managed to start large fires. Remember that this is the number of people charged over the course of three months. There have been thousands of bushfires burning across Australia since September, scorching an area larger than West Virginia. As of Thursday morning, there were close to 150 different fires burning across New South Wales. Many of them are burning in remote, sparsely populated areas. So clearly this is not just the work of prolific pyromaniacs.

https://www.vox.com/2020/1/9/21058332/australia-fires-arson-lightning-explained

I wonder to what extent, terrorism, is behind some of these fires.?

If there is, a network of cells doing this?

By a long stretch, no.

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Date: 10/01/2020 20:46:39
From: buffy
ID: 1484580
Subject: re: Bots on arson

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

We need to find all those lightning strikes.
All the lighting strikes will be “Charged” with arson.

In all actuality we don’t yet have any reports of lightning strikes starting these fires to my limited knowledge. We can assume that some were. maybe. There may have been lightning generated by the fires that spotted new fires but otherwise I’d say no.

Maybe the people that toss away disposable cigarette lighters should be charged with potentially premeditated arson.

Our fires down here were all dry lightning strikes. All but one now controlled and that one is contained. Around about 10,000 hectares in half a dozen fires.

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Date: 10/01/2020 20:49:21
From: buffy
ID: 1484584
Subject: re: Bots on arson

And yesterday I saw a farmer ploughing his fenceline fire break and someone was following him in the ute with the water and pump on board. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a mowing or ploughing along the roadside accompanied by a tender before. Our grass is now very cured.

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Date: 10/01/2020 20:53:07
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1484585
Subject: re: Bots on arson

This folding 8K drone could rival DJI and Skydio

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Date: 10/01/2020 20:55:13
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1484589
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Opps wrong thread.

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Date: 10/01/2020 23:25:19
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1484738
Subject: re: Bots on arson

there are three things that cause fires

men

women

and children

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Date: 10/01/2020 23:42:05
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1484747
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Smoking
Burning off/debris
Arson
Railway cause
Campfires
Equipment use: Chainsaws, angle grinders, mowers, etc.
Lightning
Miscellaneous: Power lines, firearms, blasting, glass refraction, electric fences, military munitions.

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Date: 10/01/2020 23:44:28
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1484753
Subject: re: Bots on arson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1EI3CvrVns

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Date: 10/01/2020 23:47:51
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1484754
Subject: re: Bots on arson

wookiemeister said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1EI3CvrVns

Cigarette butt

I wonder if that worker got identified?

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Date: 10/01/2020 23:48:46
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1484756
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Tau.Neutrino said:


wookiemeister said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1EI3CvrVns

Cigarette butt

I wonder if that worker got identified?


a cigarette butt flash that can be seen by cctv miles away?

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Date: 11/01/2020 09:47:05
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1484846
Subject: re: Bots on arson

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Arson on a scale

Some would be kids playing with fire.

Some people not knowing what they are doing.

then the more dangerous ones.

Some arsonists would be idiots.

Some doing it for criminal purposes.

Some doing it for terrorist purposes.

Most, just being fucking careless.

Lightning strikes in the past 72 hours. This is typical for summer.

With this number of lightning strikes, there’s just no point in worrying about arson.

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Date: 11/01/2020 09:49:50
From: Tamb
ID: 1484848
Subject: re: Bots on arson

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Arson on a scale

Some would be kids playing with fire.

Some people not knowing what they are doing.

then the more dangerous ones.

Some arsonists would be idiots.

Some doing it for criminal purposes.

Some doing it for terrorist purposes.

Most, just being fucking careless.

Lightning strikes in the past 72 hours. This is typical for summer.

With this number of lightning strikes, there’s just no point in worrying about arson.


Some arsonists love seeing/lighting fires. It’s like a sexual thing to them.

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Date: 11/01/2020 12:08:40
From: Michael V
ID: 1484899
Subject: re: Bots on arson

“The truth about Australia’s fires — arsonists aren’t responsible for many this season

Only about 1 per cent of the land burnt in NSW this bushfire season can be officially attributed to arson, and it is even less in Victoria, the ABC can reveal.

The world has been shocked by the scenes of devastation as the unprecedented destruction of Australia’s horror bushfire season rages on.

The disaster has sparked significant media speculation that many of the blazes were deliberately lit.

While it is true firebugs remain a legitimate and serious threat, we crunched the numbers provided by police and fire authorities around the country.

The results might surprise you.”

Auntie provides the numbers…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-11/australias-fires-reveal-arson-not-a-major-cause/11855022

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Date: 11/01/2020 13:33:04
From: Michael V
ID: 1484913
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Walwa fire (from a few days ago).

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Date: 11/01/2020 13:39:57
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1484916
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Michael V said:


Walwa fire (from a few days ago).


Looks like splosions.

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Date: 11/01/2020 13:51:44
From: Michael V
ID: 1484919
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Bubblecar said:


Michael V said:

Walwa fire (from a few days ago).


Looks like splosions.

I just think it’s an extraordinary photo. They are big hills there, and clearly the flames are hundreds of metres in the air. More reasons to not stay and defend.

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Date: 12/01/2020 22:16:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 1485391
Subject: re: Bots on arson

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Walwa fire (from a few days ago).


Looks like splosions.

I just think it’s an extraordinary photo. They are big hills there, and clearly the flames are hundreds of metres in the air. More reasons to not stay and defend.

I’d be on my way outa there too.

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