Date: 13/01/2020 14:35:19
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1485722
Subject: Hunting distance?

I was just reading a case where a boomerang, deliberately thrown, took out a mans eye at a distance of “more than 200 yards” near Seymour in the year 1848. And “nearly scalping him”.

On the other hand, I have read of two separate cases where a boomerang was used as a weapon indoors.

If I take 200 yards as a maximum deadly distance for a boomerang, how would that compare with accurate and deadly maximum hunting distance for other weapons?

And non-aboriginal weapons?

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Date: 13/01/2020 15:02:41
From: Cymek
ID: 1485747
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

mollwollfumble said:


I was just reading a case where a boomerang, deliberately thrown, took out a mans eye at a distance of “more than 200 yards” near Seymour in the year 1848. And “nearly scalping him”.

On the other hand, I have read of two separate cases where a boomerang was used as a weapon indoors.

If I take 200 yards as a maximum deadly distance for a boomerang, how would that compare with accurate and deadly maximum hunting distance for other weapons?

  • nulla nulla (throwing club)
  • hand-held spear
  • spear with spear thrower

And non-aboriginal weapons?

  • Throwing knife
  • Sling
  • Primitive bow and arrow

I remember when a friend tried to catch one and it took off his fingers, he should have just walked away

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Date: 13/01/2020 15:07:08
From: Tamb
ID: 1485749
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Cymek said:


mollwollfumble said:

I was just reading a case where a boomerang, deliberately thrown, took out a mans eye at a distance of “more than 200 yards” near Seymour in the year 1848. And “nearly scalping him”.

On the other hand, I have read of two separate cases where a boomerang was used as a weapon indoors.

If I take 200 yards as a maximum deadly distance for a boomerang, how would that compare with accurate and deadly maximum hunting distance for other weapons?

  • nulla nulla (throwing club)
  • hand-held spear
  • spear with spear thrower

And non-aboriginal weapons?

  • Throwing knife
  • Sling
  • Primitive bow and arrow

I remember when a friend tried to catch one and it took off his fingers, he should have just walked away


The Aboriginals preferred the hunting (non returning) boomerang to spears. A spear has to hit point on to wound/kill, a boomerang as it is rotating sweeps a wide path & can easily break legs.

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Date: 13/01/2020 15:07:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1485751
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

A spear-thrower is a long-range weapon and can readily impart to a projectile speeds of over 150 km/h (93 mph).

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Date: 13/01/2020 15:08:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 1485752
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Tamb said:


Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

I was just reading a case where a boomerang, deliberately thrown, took out a mans eye at a distance of “more than 200 yards” near Seymour in the year 1848. And “nearly scalping him”.

On the other hand, I have read of two separate cases where a boomerang was used as a weapon indoors.

If I take 200 yards as a maximum deadly distance for a boomerang, how would that compare with accurate and deadly maximum hunting distance for other weapons?

  • nulla nulla (throwing club)
  • hand-held spear
  • spear with spear thrower

And non-aboriginal weapons?

  • Throwing knife
  • Sling
  • Primitive bow and arrow

I remember when a friend tried to catch one and it took off his fingers, he should have just walked away


The Aboriginals preferred the hunting (non returning) boomerang to spears. A spear has to hit point on to wound/kill, a boomerang as it is rotating sweeps a wide path & can easily break legs.

Boomerangs could knock more budgies down at once than a rock or a stick.

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Date: 13/01/2020 15:11:21
From: Tamb
ID: 1485753
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

Cymek said:

I remember when a friend tried to catch one and it took off his fingers, he should have just walked away


The Aboriginals preferred the hunting (non returning) boomerang to spears. A spear has to hit point on to wound/kill, a boomerang as it is rotating sweeps a wide path & can easily break legs.

Boomerangs could knock more budgies down at once than a rock or a stick.


Thrown round-arm, parallel to the ground they can easily bring down a roo.

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Date: 13/01/2020 15:21:06
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1485756
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

mollwollfumble said:


I was just reading a case where a boomerang, deliberately thrown, took out a mans eye at a distance of “more than 200 yards” near Seymour in the year 1848. And “nearly scalping him”.

On the other hand, I have read of two separate cases where a boomerang was used as a weapon indoors.

If I take 200 yards as a maximum deadly distance for a boomerang, how would that compare with accurate and deadly maximum hunting distance for other weapons?

  • nulla nulla (throwing club)
  • hand-held spear
  • spear with spear thrower

And non-aboriginal weapons?

  • Throwing knife
  • Sling
  • Primitive bow and arrow

200 yards is a fair sort of distance and I would be most surprised if a heavy hunting boomerang could be thrown that far. So presumably if 200 yards is correct, it would be a much lighter one often used for amusement or possibly to catch small birds.

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Date: 13/01/2020 15:21:21
From: Tamb
ID: 1485757
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

The Aboriginals preferred the hunting (non returning) boomerang to spears. A spear has to hit point on to wound/kill, a boomerang as it is rotating sweeps a wide path & can easily break legs.

Boomerangs could knock more budgies down at once than a rock or a stick.


Thrown round-arm, parallel to the ground they can easily bring down a roo.

I went to Tjapukai & learned how to throw a boomerang.

https://www.tjapukai.com.au/
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Date: 13/01/2020 16:19:13
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1485781
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Cymek said:

I remember when a friend tried to catch one and it took off his fingers, he should have just walked away

Heh, I got the joke.

But seriously, what about Aboriginal spears, when boosted with a woomera? Not too accurate at the limit of their range, but the range was pretty good.
The English longbows also had a very good range, and were reasonably accurate.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:22:39
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1485785
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Years back I used to have a very good crossbow with a 90 kg pull on the string. The bolts fired from it would dig into trees and could not be removed without breaking them. I reckon I could hit a stationary human at a good 200 metres with it.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:28:47
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1485789
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Spiny Norman said:


Cymek said:

I remember when a friend tried to catch one and it took off his fingers, he should have just walked away

Heh, I got the joke.

But seriously, what about Aboriginal spears, when boosted with a woomera? Not too accurate at the limit of their range, but the range was pretty good.
The English longbows also had a very good range, and were reasonably accurate.

although the longbow wasn’t really used as an accurate weapon. you couldn’t hold the draw long enough to aim. it was more a “carpet bomb” type weapon.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:29:19
From: Tamb
ID: 1485790
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Spiny Norman said:


Years back I used to have a very good crossbow with a 90 kg pull on the string. The bolts fired from it would dig into trees and could not be removed without breaking them. I reckon I could hit a stationary human at a good 200 metres with it.

During WWII an Aussie sniper was asked the secret of success. He said that on civvie street he was a roo shooter and that the Japanese were much easier to shoot as they didn’t bounce up & down like roos.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:30:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1485793
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

PermeateFree said:


mollwollfumble said:

I was just reading a case where a boomerang, deliberately thrown, took out a mans eye at a distance of “more than 200 yards” near Seymour in the year 1848. And “nearly scalping him”.

On the other hand, I have read of two separate cases where a boomerang was used as a weapon indoors.

If I take 200 yards as a maximum deadly distance for a boomerang, how would that compare with accurate and deadly maximum hunting distance for other weapons?

  • nulla nulla (throwing club)
  • hand-held spear
  • spear with spear thrower

And non-aboriginal weapons?

  • Throwing knife
  • Sling
  • Primitive bow and arrow

200 yards is a fair sort of distance and I would be most surprised if a heavy hunting boomerang could be thrown that far. So presumably if 200 yards is correct, it would be a much lighter one often used for amusement or possibly to catch small birds.

It is more like 40 metres. https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/boomerang

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:33:46
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1485796
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

roughbarked said:


PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

I was just reading a case where a boomerang, deliberately thrown, took out a mans eye at a distance of “more than 200 yards” near Seymour in the year 1848. And “nearly scalping him”.

On the other hand, I have read of two separate cases where a boomerang was used as a weapon indoors.

If I take 200 yards as a maximum deadly distance for a boomerang, how would that compare with accurate and deadly maximum hunting distance for other weapons?

  • nulla nulla (throwing club)
  • hand-held spear
  • spear with spear thrower

And non-aboriginal weapons?

  • Throwing knife
  • Sling
  • Primitive bow and arrow

200 yards is a fair sort of distance and I would be most surprised if a heavy hunting boomerang could be thrown that far. So presumably if 200 yards is correct, it would be a much lighter one often used for amusement or possibly to catch small birds.

It is more like 40 metres. https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/boomerang

that’s 40 metres there and 40 metres back.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:35:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1485798
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

ChrispenEvan said:


roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

200 yards is a fair sort of distance and I would be most surprised if a heavy hunting boomerang could be thrown that far. So presumably if 200 yards is correct, it would be a much lighter one often used for amusement or possibly to catch small birds.

It is more like 40 metres. https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/boomerang

that’s 40 metres there and 40 metres back.

true.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:37:25
From: Tamb
ID: 1485800
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

roughbarked said:


ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

It is more like 40 metres. https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/boomerang

that’s 40 metres there and 40 metres back.

true.


Hunting boomerangs are non-returning.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:38:51
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1485801
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

that’s 40 metres there and 40 metres back.

true.


Hunting boomerangs are non-returning.

they are called sticks.

:-)

I know the difference between types.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:42:04
From: Tamb
ID: 1485804
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

ChrispenEvan said:


Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

true.


Hunting boomerangs are non-returning.

they are called sticks.

:-)

I know the difference between types.

Someone said 40metres out & someone else said and 40metres back. That implies returning.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:43:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1485807
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

ChrispenEvan said:


Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

true.


Hunting boomerangs are non-returning.

they are called bent sticks.

:-)

I know the difference between types.

fixed.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:44:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1485808
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

that’s 40 metres there and 40 metres back.

true.


Hunting boomerangs are non-returning.

Correct.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:44:34
From: Michael V
ID: 1485809
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

that’s 40 metres there and 40 metres back.

true.


Hunting boomerangs are non-returning.

And heavy, too.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:45:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 1485812
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Tamb said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Tamb said:

Hunting boomerangs are non-returning.

they are called sticks.

:-)

I know the difference between types.

Someone said 40metres out & someone else said and 40metres back. That implies returning.

I think we were talking about returning.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:45:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 1485813
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Michael V said:


Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

true.


Hunting boomerangs are non-returning.

And heavy, too.

I’ll say one thing about them. They are deadly accurate.

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Date: 13/01/2020 16:48:59
From: Tamb
ID: 1485815
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

roughbarked said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Tamb said:

Hunting boomerangs are non-returning.

they are called bent sticks.

:-)

I know the difference between types.

fixed.

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Date: 13/01/2020 17:01:12
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1485818
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Tamb said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Tamb said:

Hunting boomerangs are non-returning.

they are called sticks.

:-)

I know the difference between types.

Someone said 40metres out & someone else said and 40metres back. That implies returning.

i was being funny.

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Date: 13/01/2020 17:02:58
From: Michael V
ID: 1485819
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

ChrispenEvan said:


Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

they are called sticks.

:-)

I know the difference between types.

Someone said 40metres out & someone else said and 40metres back. That implies returning.

i was being funny.

Bloody. I missed it again.

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Date: 13/01/2020 17:03:36
From: sibeen
ID: 1485820
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

ChrispenEvan said:


Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

they are called sticks.

:-)

I know the difference between types.

Someone said 40metres out & someone else said and 40metres back. That implies returning.

i was being funny.

Nah.

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Date: 13/01/2020 17:06:47
From: Tamb
ID: 1485821
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

ChrispenEvan said:


Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

they are called sticks.

:-)

I know the difference between types.

Someone said 40metres out & someone else said and 40metres back. That implies returning.

i was being funny.


Sorry. Detector fail. :(

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Date: 13/01/2020 17:07:00
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1485822
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

sibeen said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Tamb said:

Someone said 40metres out & someone else said and 40metres back. That implies returning.

i was being funny.

Nah.

stop stalking me. people are starting to talk.

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Date: 13/01/2020 17:10:58
From: Tamb
ID: 1485824
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

ChrispenEvan said:


sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

i was being funny.

Nah.

stop stalking me. people are starting to talk.

That’s why it’s called s talking.

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Date: 13/01/2020 17:11:45
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1485825
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

ChrispenEvan said:


Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

they are called sticks.

:-)

I know the difference between types.

Someone said 40metres out & someone else said and 40metres back. That implies returning.

i was being funny.

Funny strange not funny haha.

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Date: 13/01/2020 18:58:47
From: buffy
ID: 1485872
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Spiny Norman said:


Cymek said:

I remember when a friend tried to catch one and it took off his fingers, he should have just walked away

Heh, I got the joke.

But seriously, what about Aboriginal spears, when boosted with a woomera? Not too accurate at the limit of their range, but the range was pretty good.
The English longbows also had a very good range, and were reasonably accurate.

Longbows require very strong arm muscles. I can’t pull a longbow.

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Date: 13/01/2020 18:59:56
From: buffy
ID: 1485874
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Spiny Norman said:


Years back I used to have a very good crossbow with a 90 kg pull on the string. The bolts fired from it would dig into trees and could not be removed without breaking them. I reckon I could hit a stationary human at a good 200 metres with it.

Ah, already pointed out. (My recurve bow is 28lb…)

:)

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Date: 13/01/2020 19:48:31
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1485905
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

For spear with wommerah, I’ve seen maximum distance (for deadly precision) estimates of 100 yards and 40 yards.

The 100 yards, I think, may have been from Giles (the explorer?). Yes, it is, From https://www.gutenberg.org/files/4974/4974-h/4974-h.htm “Australia Twice Traversed”

“mulga (is) wood excessively hard, dark-brown; used, preferentially, by the natives for boomerangs, sticks with which to lift edible roots, and shafts of phragmites, spears, wommerahs, nulla-nullas, and jagged spear ends. (Mulga wood) contains a virulent poisonous property”.

“Each carried two enormously long spears, two-thirds mulga wood and one-third reed at the throwing end, of course having the instrument with which they project these spears, called by some tribes of natives only, but indiscriminately all over the country by whites, a wommerah. It is in the form of a flat ellipse, elongated to a sort of tail at the holding end, and short-pointed at the projecting end; a kangaroo’s claw or wild dog’s tooth is firmly fixed by gum and gut-strings. The projectile force of this implement is enormous, and these spears can be thrown with the greatest precision for more than a hundred yards.”

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Date: 14/01/2020 11:38:02
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1486095
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

So we’ve got, deadly distance with an expert marksman.

Handheld spear – ? (Olympic javelin ~100 yards)
Spear with wommerah – 100 yards
Boomerang – 200 yards (word record for returning boomerang ~234 metres)
Primitive bow and arrow – ?
Longbow – 200 yards
Musket – 600 yards

I’ve seen a reference to a throwing club distance of slightly more than 1/3 of the distance of a boomerang. But that was for a significantly shorter maximum boomerang throw.

https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1525/aa.1936.38.1.02a00080

Spear types. Throwing sticks. Throwing clubs with body flares and bulbous ends. Boomerangs and swords. Hooked boomerangs.

How much does a real boomerang (as opposed to a toy or tourist boomerang) weigh?

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Date: 14/01/2020 11:43:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1486098
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

mollwollfumble said:

How much does a real boomerang (as opposed to a toy or tourist boomerang) weigh?

African or European?

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Date: 14/01/2020 11:45:15
From: Tamb
ID: 1486099
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

mollwollfumble said:


So we’ve got, deadly distance with an expert marksman.

Handheld spear – ? (Olympic javelin ~100 yards)
Spear with wommerah – 100 yards
Boomerang – 200 yards (word record for returning boomerang ~234 metres)
Primitive bow and arrow – ?
Longbow – 200 yards
Musket – 600 yards

I’ve seen a reference to a throwing club distance of slightly more than 1/3 of the distance of a boomerang. But that was for a significantly shorter maximum boomerang throw.

https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1525/aa.1936.38.1.02a00080

Spear types. Throwing sticks. Throwing clubs with body flares and bulbous ends. Boomerangs and swords. Hooked boomerangs.

How much does a real boomerang (as opposed to a toy or tourist boomerang) weigh?


A bit of trivia. There are left and right hand boomerangs. They circle in opposite directions.

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Date: 14/01/2020 11:47:59
From: Tamb
ID: 1486100
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

captain_spalding said:


mollwollfumble said:

How much does a real boomerang (as opposed to a toy or tourist boomerang) weigh?

African or European?

Loot or Kilo?

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Date: 14/01/2020 11:52:14
From: Tamb
ID: 1486102
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Tamb said:


captain_spalding said:

mollwollfumble said:

How much does a real boomerang (as opposed to a toy or tourist boomerang) weigh?

African or European?

Loot or Kilo?

That should be Loots or Kilos

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Date: 14/01/2020 14:38:32
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1486151
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

captain_spalding said:


mollwollfumble said:

How much does a real boomerang (as opposed to a toy or tourist boomerang) weigh?

African or European?

Quest for the Holy Grail. On TV recently.
————-
I hadn’t realised until today that Torres Straight Islanders used a traditional bow and arrow for hunting. I found out because today I watched a documentary about Mabo, and one was fired off at his reburial ceremony. The web has: “Torres Strait Islander peoples prefer the bow and arrow, as it is more suited to hunting smaller prey, which requires less penetrating force, and can achieve greater range.”

From 1890 https://www.archerylibrary.com/articles/journal-of-the-anthropological-institute-of-great-britain-and-ireland/on-poisoned-arrows-in-melanesia/

“In the Torres Islands, and in Lepers’ Island in the New Hebrides, arrows are used for fighting which are not poisoned, yet belong entirely to the same class of weapons with those that are. … The Torres Island arrows are only 2 feet 10 inches long, and weigh three-quarters of an ounce. The bone head of a Torres Island arrow is 12 1/2 inches long, and the foreshaft 8 inches, the reed shaft being 20 inches. (It is) slight and weak.”

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Date: 14/01/2020 15:53:52
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1486185
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

mollwollfumble said:


captain_spalding said:

mollwollfumble said:

How much does a real boomerang (as opposed to a toy or tourist boomerang) weigh?

African or European?

Quest for the Holy Grail. On TV recently.
————-
I hadn’t realised until today that Torres Straight Islanders used a traditional bow and arrow for hunting. I found out because today I watched a documentary about Mabo, and one was fired off at his reburial ceremony. The web has: “Torres Strait Islander peoples prefer the bow and arrow, as it is more suited to hunting smaller prey, which requires less penetrating force, and can achieve greater range.”

From 1890 https://www.archerylibrary.com/articles/journal-of-the-anthropological-institute-of-great-britain-and-ireland/on-poisoned-arrows-in-melanesia/

“In the Torres Islands, and in Lepers’ Island in the New Hebrides, arrows are used for fighting which are not poisoned, yet belong entirely to the same class of weapons with those that are. … The Torres Island arrows are only 2 feet 10 inches long, and weigh three-quarters of an ounce. The bone head of a Torres Island arrow is 12 1/2 inches long, and the foreshaft 8 inches, the reed shaft being 20 inches. (It is) slight and weak.”

People on PNG used bows and arrows, probably finding a better weapon in heavily vegetated areas and for fishing.

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Date: 14/01/2020 22:52:58
From: fsm
ID: 1486307
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

This is an Aboriginal engraving of a hunting boomerang from the Sydney area.

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Date: 16/01/2020 05:35:32
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1486760
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

PermeateFree said:


mollwollfumble said:

captain_spalding said:

African or European?

Quest for the Holy Grail. On TV recently.
————-
I hadn’t realised until today that Torres Straight Islanders used a traditional bow and arrow for hunting. I found out because today I watched a documentary about Mabo, and one was fired off at his reburial ceremony. The web has: “Torres Strait Islander peoples prefer the bow and arrow, as it is more suited to hunting smaller prey, which requires less penetrating force, and can achieve greater range.”

From 1890 https://www.archerylibrary.com/articles/journal-of-the-anthropological-institute-of-great-britain-and-ireland/on-poisoned-arrows-in-melanesia/

“In the Torres Islands, and in Lepers’ Island in the New Hebrides, arrows are used for fighting which are not poisoned, yet belong entirely to the same class of weapons with those that are. … The Torres Island arrows are only 2 feet 10 inches long, and weigh three-quarters of an ounce. The bone head of a Torres Island arrow is 12 1/2 inches long, and the foreshaft 8 inches, the reed shaft being 20 inches. (It is) slight and weak.”

People on PNG used bows and arrows, probably finding a better weapon in heavily vegetated areas and for fishing.

And their arrows were dipped in poison.

One of the purposes for starting this thread was to find out is boomerangs had a range advantage over bow and arrow. It seems that it does.

Although I’ve seen it claimed that returning boomerangs were only used by aborigines as toys, that can’t be the case because boomerangs actually made by tribal aborigines are far more likely to be shaped like returning boomerangs than non-returning boomerangs.

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Date: 16/01/2020 08:18:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 1486779
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

mollwollfumble said:


PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

Quest for the Holy Grail. On TV recently.
————-
I hadn’t realised until today that Torres Straight Islanders used a traditional bow and arrow for hunting. I found out because today I watched a documentary about Mabo, and one was fired off at his reburial ceremony. The web has: “Torres Strait Islander peoples prefer the bow and arrow, as it is more suited to hunting smaller prey, which requires less penetrating force, and can achieve greater range.”

From 1890 https://www.archerylibrary.com/articles/journal-of-the-anthropological-institute-of-great-britain-and-ireland/on-poisoned-arrows-in-melanesia/

“In the Torres Islands, and in Lepers’ Island in the New Hebrides, arrows are used for fighting which are not poisoned, yet belong entirely to the same class of weapons with those that are. … The Torres Island arrows are only 2 feet 10 inches long, and weigh three-quarters of an ounce. The bone head of a Torres Island arrow is 12 1/2 inches long, and the foreshaft 8 inches, the reed shaft being 20 inches. (It is) slight and weak.”

People on PNG used bows and arrows, probably finding a better weapon in heavily vegetated areas and for fishing.

And their arrows were dipped in poison.

One of the purposes for starting this thread was to find out is boomerangs had a range advantage over bow and arrow. It seems that it does.

Although I’ve seen it claimed that returning boomerangs were only used by aborigines as toys, that can’t be the case because boomerangs actually made by tribal aborigines are far more likely to be shaped like returning boomerangs than non-returning boomerangs.

Um.. that’s for the dumb tourists.

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Date: 16/01/2020 22:25:36
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1487077
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

roughbarked said:


mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

People on PNG used bows and arrows, probably finding a better weapon in heavily vegetated areas and for fishing.

And their arrows were dipped in poison.

One of the purposes for starting this thread was to find out is boomerangs had a range advantage over bow and arrow. It seems that it does.

Although I’ve seen it claimed that returning boomerangs were only used by aborigines as toys, that can’t be the case because boomerangs actually made by tribal aborigines are far more likely to be shaped like returning boomerangs than non-returning boomerangs.

Um.. that’s for the dumb tourists.

Not always? I have a video here of a boomerang and coolamon making workshop, by aborigines for aborigines.

But I still have never seen or read of a returning-style boomerang actually used for hunting.

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Date: 17/01/2020 02:44:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1487111
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

And their arrows were dipped in poison.

One of the purposes for starting this thread was to find out is boomerangs had a range advantage over bow and arrow. It seems that it does.

Although I’ve seen it claimed that returning boomerangs were only used by aborigines as toys, that can’t be the case because boomerangs actually made by tribal aborigines are far more likely to be shaped like returning boomerangs than non-returning boomerangs.

Um.. that’s for the dumb tourists.

Not always? I have a video here of a boomerang and coolamon making workshop, by aborigines for aborigines.

But I still have never seen or read of a returning-style boomerang actually used for hunting.


Firstly, apart from anything else, bent sticks aren’t all that easy to spot unless you have an eye for it and no two sticks will be bent exactly the same way. I hope no one actually believes that the boomerangs were carved into shape from solid bits of wood. The shape of the boomerang does not always infer that it is a returning boomerang. I’ve actually been instructed on coolamon making and boomerang making.

Dumb tourists buy imitation boomerangs that neither come back nor can ever be used for hunting. They are carved out of bits of wood by machines.

There is some interesting reading about. If you look. https://www.eorapeople.com.au/uncategorized/the-returning-boomerang/

This boomerang made by myself and with modern tools, Would you expect it to be
a) a returning boomerang?
b) a hunting boomerang?
c) a useless bit of wood that doesn’t fly at all very well?

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Date: 17/01/2020 03:37:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 1487117
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

roughbarked said:


mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Um.. that’s for the dumb tourists.

Not always? I have a video here of a boomerang and coolamon making workshop, by aborigines for aborigines.

But I still have never seen or read of a returning-style boomerang actually used for hunting.


Firstly, apart from anything else, bent sticks aren’t all that easy to spot unless you have an eye for it and no two sticks will be bent exactly the same way. I hope no one actually believes that the boomerangs were carved into shape from solid bits of wood. The shape of the boomerang does not always infer that it is a returning boomerang. I’ve actually been instructed on coolamon making and boomerang making.

Dumb tourists buy imitation boomerangs that neither come back nor can ever be used for hunting. They are carved out of bits of wood by machines.

There is some interesting reading about. If you look. https://www.eorapeople.com.au/uncategorized/the-returning-boomerang/

This boomerang made by myself and with modern tools, Would you expect it to be
a) a returning boomerang?
b) a hunting boomerang?
c) a useless bit of wood that doesn’t fly at all very well?

https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Kylie_(Boomerang)

and I do think you will find that the returning boomerang can and was used for hunting birds. ie: a perfect example would be budgies (budgerigar means good eating) or indeed any birds in flocks that could be confused, coralled and even knocked out of the air with returning boomerangs.

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Date: 17/01/2020 09:10:49
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1487140
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Not always? I have a video here of a boomerang and coolamon making workshop, by aborigines for aborigines.

But I still have never seen or read of a returning-style boomerang actually used for hunting.


Firstly, apart from anything else, bent sticks aren’t all that easy to spot unless you have an eye for it and no two sticks will be bent exactly the same way. I hope no one actually believes that the boomerangs were carved into shape from solid bits of wood. The shape of the boomerang does not always infer that it is a returning boomerang. I’ve actually been instructed on coolamon making and boomerang making.

Dumb tourists buy imitation boomerangs that neither come back nor can ever be used for hunting. They are carved out of bits of wood by machines.

There is some interesting reading about. If you look. https://www.eorapeople.com.au/uncategorized/the-returning-boomerang/

This boomerang made by myself and with modern tools, Would you expect it to be
a) a returning boomerang?
b) a hunting boomerang?
c) a useless bit of wood that doesn’t fly at all very well?

https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Kylie_(Boomerang)

and I do think you will find that the returning boomerang can and was used for hunting birds. ie: a perfect example would be budgies (budgerigar means good eating) or indeed any birds in flocks that could be confused, coralled and even knocked out of the air with returning boomerangs.

> I’ve actually been instructed on coolamon making and boomerang making

Wow.

> The shape of the boomerang does not always infer that it is a returning boomerang

Yeah, I figured that. I can’t pick it from sketches, or even from photos.

> This boomerang made by myself and with modern tools, Would you expect it to be?

The asymmetry suggests not a returning boomerang, please enlighten me.

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Date: 17/01/2020 10:55:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1487177
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Firstly, apart from anything else, bent sticks aren’t all that easy to spot unless you have an eye for it and no two sticks will be bent exactly the same way. I hope no one actually believes that the boomerangs were carved into shape from solid bits of wood. The shape of the boomerang does not always infer that it is a returning boomerang. I’ve actually been instructed on coolamon making and boomerang making.

Dumb tourists buy imitation boomerangs that neither come back nor can ever be used for hunting. They are carved out of bits of wood by machines.

There is some interesting reading about. If you look. https://www.eorapeople.com.au/uncategorized/the-returning-boomerang/

This boomerang made by myself and with modern tools, Would you expect it to be
a) a returning boomerang?
b) a hunting boomerang?
c) a useless bit of wood that doesn’t fly at all very well?

https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Kylie_(Boomerang)

and I do think you will find that the returning boomerang can and was used for hunting birds. ie: a perfect example would be budgies (budgerigar means good eating) or indeed any birds in flocks that could be confused, coralled and even knocked out of the air with returning boomerangs.

> I’ve actually been instructed on coolamon making and boomerang making

Wow.

> The shape of the boomerang does not always infer that it is a returning boomerang

Yeah, I figured that. I can’t pick it from sketches, or even from photos.

> This boomerang made by myself and with modern tools, Would you expect it to be?

The asymmetry suggests not a returning boomerang, please enlighten me.

Flies as straight as a bullet. Perfect cat killer.

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Date: 18/01/2020 22:20:38
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1487971
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

roughbarked said:


mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Kylie_(Boomerang)

and I do think you will find that the returning boomerang can and was used for hunting birds. ie: a perfect example would be budgies (budgerigar means good eating) or indeed any birds in flocks that could be confused, coralled and even knocked out of the air with returning boomerangs.

> I’ve actually been instructed on coolamon making and boomerang making

Wow.

> The shape of the boomerang does not always infer that it is a returning boomerang

Yeah, I figured that. I can’t pick it from sketches, or even from photos.

> This boomerang made by myself and with modern tools, Would you expect it to be?

The asymmetry suggests not a returning boomerang, please enlighten me.

Flies as straight as a bullet. Perfect cat killer.

Nice!

Got a video?

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Date: 19/01/2020 09:48:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1488026
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

> I’ve actually been instructed on coolamon making and boomerang making

Wow.

> The shape of the boomerang does not always infer that it is a returning boomerang

Yeah, I figured that. I can’t pick it from sketches, or even from photos.

> This boomerang made by myself and with modern tools, Would you expect it to be?

The asymmetry suggests not a returning boomerang, please enlighten me.

Flies as straight as a bullet. Perfect cat killer.

Nice!

Got a video?

Next time I see a cat, I’ll call someone to take a video, if you really want that.

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Date: 19/01/2020 10:00:47
From: Tamb
ID: 1488032
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

roughbarked said:


mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Flies as straight as a bullet. Perfect cat killer.

Nice!

Got a video?

Next time I see a cat, I’ll call someone to take a video, if you really want that.


There’s a lot of skill in making a boomerang return.

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Date: 20/01/2020 09:03:22
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1488455
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Nice!

Got a video?

Next time I see a cat, I’ll call someone to take a video, if you really want that.


There’s a lot of skill in making a boomerang return.

There are boomerang accuracy competitions, where you get points for how accurately it returns.

What I’d prefer to see is accuracy over long distance.

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Date: 20/01/2020 09:04:38
From: Tamb
ID: 1488457
Subject: re: Hunting distance?

mollwollfumble said:


Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Next time I see a cat, I’ll call someone to take a video, if you really want that.


There’s a lot of skill in making a boomerang return.

There are boomerang accuracy competitions, where you get points for how accurately it returns.

What I’d prefer to see is accuracy over long distance.


That requires a different type of boomerang.

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