Date: 27/01/2020 09:43:04
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1491539
Subject: Universality of poisons?

Following on from Rev D’s observation about “variation in behaviour within a species is far greater than the variation between species.”

Could it also be true that the variation in sensitivity to poison (on a per kg basis) within a species is far greater than the variation between species?

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Date: 27/01/2020 09:46:14
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1491546
Subject: re: Universality of poisons?

mollwollfumble said:


Following on from Rev D’s observation about “variation in behaviour within a species is far greater than the variation between species.”

Could it also be true that the variation in sensitivity to poison (on a per kg basis) within a species is far greater than the variation between species?

I’m sure that is true for at least some species and poisons.

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Date: 27/01/2020 09:49:54
From: Tamb
ID: 1491550
Subject: re: Universality of poisons?

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

Following on from Rev D’s observation about “variation in behaviour within a species is far greater than the variation between species.”

Could it also be true that the variation in sensitivity to poison (on a per kg basis) within a species is far greater than the variation between species?

I’m sure that is true for at least some species and poisons.


If my life had turned out differently I could have answered that. I wanted to be a toxicologist.

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Date: 27/01/2020 09:53:28
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1491555
Subject: re: Universality of poisons?

mollwollfumble said:


Following on from Rev D’s observation about “variation in behaviour within a species is far greater than the variation between species.”

Could it also be true that the variation in sensitivity to poison (on a per kg basis) within a species is far greater than the variation between species?

Yes. Dogs, for example. What can kill a small dog might not make a huge difference to a large dog. Chocolate, which can be fatal to dogs, is not harmful to humans.

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Date: 27/01/2020 09:57:11
From: transition
ID: 1491562
Subject: re: Universality of poisons?

mollwollfumble said:


Following on from Rev D’s observation about “variation in behaviour within a species is far greater than the variation between species.”

Could it also be true that the variation in sensitivity to poison (on a per kg basis) within a species is far greater than the variation between species?

certainly variation in humans, types, polymorphs maybe, you know the ability to break down whatever is different, and conversion and transport from the body

what to one person (type) isn’t seriously toxic, to others is

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Date: 27/01/2020 10:02:49
From: transition
ID: 1491568
Subject: re: Universality of poisons?

transition said:


mollwollfumble said:

Following on from Rev D’s observation about “variation in behaviour within a species is far greater than the variation between species.”

Could it also be true that the variation in sensitivity to poison (on a per kg basis) within a species is far greater than the variation between species?

certainly variation in humans, types, polymorphs maybe, you know the ability to break down whatever is different, and conversion and transport from the body

what to one person (type) isn’t seriously toxic, to others is

alcohol is in example, some people have a very low tolerance, but it applies to other chemicals too I think

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Date: 27/01/2020 11:46:13
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1491613
Subject: re: Universality of poisons?

transition said:


transition said:

mollwollfumble said:

Following on from Rev D’s observation about “variation in behaviour within a species is far greater than the variation between species.”

Could it also be true that the variation in sensitivity to poison (on a per kg basis) within a species is far greater than the variation between species?

certainly variation in humans, types, polymorphs maybe, you know the ability to break down whatever is different, and conversion and transport from the body

what to one person (type) isn’t seriously toxic, to others is

alcohol is in example, some people have a very low tolerance, but it applies to other chemicals too I think

One of the things I noted that led me to this idea was the Aboriginal tobacco puturi.

Emus react to pituri, making them easy prey. But some humans are immune.
Lorikeets, elephants get high on alcohol. But some humans don’t.

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Date: 27/01/2020 11:52:33
From: sibeen
ID: 1491617
Subject: re: Universality of poisons?

mollwollfumble said:


transition said:

transition said:

certainly variation in humans, types, polymorphs maybe, you know the ability to break down whatever is different, and conversion and transport from the body

what to one person (type) isn’t seriously toxic, to others is

alcohol is in example, some people have a very low tolerance, but it applies to other chemicals too I think

One of the things I noted that led me to this idea was the Aboriginal tobacco puturi.

Emus react to pituri, making them easy prey. But some humans are immune.
Lorikeets, elephants get high on alcohol. But some humans don’t.

What? Show me a human who is immune to the affects of alcohol.

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Date: 27/01/2020 13:59:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1491676
Subject: re: Universality of poisons?

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

Following on from Rev D’s observation about “variation in behaviour within a species is far greater than the variation between species.”

Could it also be true that the variation in sensitivity to poison (on a per kg basis) within a species is far greater than the variation between species?

I’m sure that is true for at least some species and poisons.

fair point, we agree that as a rule there are exceptions to rules, except where there aren’t

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Date: 27/01/2020 14:00:56
From: Tamb
ID: 1491677
Subject: re: Universality of poisons?

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Following on from Rev D’s observation about “variation in behaviour within a species is far greater than the variation between species.”

Could it also be true that the variation in sensitivity to poison (on a per kg basis) within a species is far greater than the variation between species?

I’m sure that is true for at least some species and poisons.

fair point, we agree that as a rule there are exceptions to rules, except where there aren’t


Anyone who has tried to learn French will attest to that.

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Date: 27/01/2020 14:21:15
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1491693
Subject: re: Universality of poisons?

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Following on from Rev D’s observation about “variation in behaviour within a species is far greater than the variation between species.”

Could it also be true that the variation in sensitivity to poison (on a per kg basis) within a species is far greater than the variation between species?

I’m sure that is true for at least some species and poisons.

fair point, we agree that as a rule there are exceptions to rules, except where there aren’t

Agreed.

Except when we don’t

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Date: 27/01/2020 22:51:26
From: transition
ID: 1491921
Subject: re: Universality of poisons?

better term or way of thinking about it might be chemical insult

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Date: 28/01/2020 12:01:34
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1492061
Subject: re: Universality of poisons?

transition said:


better term or way of thinking about it might be chemical insult

Agree.

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