What is quantum cognition? Physics theory could predict human behavior.
Some scientists think quantum mechanics can help explain human decision-making.
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Tau.Neutrino said:
What is quantum cognition? Physics theory could predict human behavior.Some scientists think quantum mechanics can help explain human decision-making.
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they are mistaken except for very low values of “help” or “explain”
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is quantum cognition? Physics theory could predict human behavior.Some scientists think quantum mechanics can help explain human decision-making.
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they are mistaken except for very low values of “help” or “explain”
Much as I like to disagree with SCIENCE, I regret to report that my state of agreement in this case is in a superimposed condition of agreement and disagreement.
I will continue to observe it, and let you know if it resolves into one or the other.
One thing I am quite certain about though; I really hate the continual misuse of Schroedinger’s Cat.
By the way, I’m totally mystified by the alleged results of the coin toss experiment in that article. I suspect there is something they didn’t tell us.
The Rev Dodgson said:
By the way, I’m totally mystified by the alleged results of the coin toss experiment in that article. I suspect there is something they didn’t tell us.
I’ve done a quick Binge on this, and even a Google, but I can’t find anything referring to the alleged coin toss experiment results.
Lots of stuff on risk aversion though, such as:
https://keatingwealth.com/understanding-myopic-loss-aversion/
Taking risk aversion into account when making choices is perfectly rational BTW.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Taking risk aversion into account when making choices is perfectly rational BTW.
I call it risk management.
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is quantum cognition? Physics theory could predict human behavior.Some scientists think quantum mechanics can help explain human decision-making.
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> Quantum physics and human psychology may seem completely unrelated
Correct. Next topic.
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is quantum cognition? Physics theory could predict human behavior.Some scientists think quantum mechanics can help explain human decision-making.
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> Quantum physics and human psychology may seem completely unrelated
Correct. Next topic.
I couldn’t get my head around the article, I assumed it was my own limitations at work, and reckon it’s just that
my hunch is there is something spooky
a strangeness, something of possibility space, the impression that all that is computationally tangible is made so by something else, the other whatever becomes less computationally tangible, some cost is executed from the reality we see from, but oddly there’s a certainty in or from possibility space
transition said:
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is quantum cognition? Physics theory could predict human behavior.Some scientists think quantum mechanics can help explain human decision-making.
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> Quantum physics and human psychology may seem completely unrelated
Correct. Next topic.
I couldn’t get my head around the article, I assumed it was my own limitations at work, and reckon it’s just that
my hunch is there is something spooky
a strangeness, something of possibility space, the impression that all that is computationally tangible is made so by something else, the other whatever becomes less computationally tangible, some cost is executed from the reality we see from, but oddly there’s a certainty in or from possibility space
all a bit of a boggle?
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is quantum cognition? Physics theory could predict human behavior.Some scientists think quantum mechanics can help explain human decision-making.
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> Quantum physics and human psychology may seem completely unrelated
Correct. Next topic.
Now that I don’t agree with.
Quantum physics affects all interactions. When the interactions are chaotic in nature, the quantum effects are significant at the macro scale.
where does the past go, the obvious answer might be the past recedes into the past, and question answered
but there is this further question of whatever you call it, related thermodynamic time, the moment, the now
i’m not convinced that can be explained with every-day-physics people experience and are familiar with, regular cause and effect
it’s like everything rides the same wave (surfing analogy if you like)
there’s something about encoding and decoding, and deferral (of consciousness, perhaps applies more broadly to replicators) that performs a trick, magic for the moment, an anomaly courtesy the wave, you could say
there’s a hint of it in the word suspend, which can mean to stop, or hold/held up, and presumably both
computationally it seems possible to communicate (recombine) past structure with present into the future, which may not seem overly impressive
the thing is it allows (some) detachment or isolation from the physics imposed by the moment, just as a dry seed might carry encoded information for hundreds or thousands of years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_viable_seed
“The oldest carbon-14-dated seed that has grown into a viable plant was Silene stenophylla (narrow-leafed campion), an Arctic flower native to Siberia. Radiocarbon dating has confirmed an age of 31,800 ±300 years for the seeds.”
the impression I get is the wave of the moment confines what is possible, but it too yields a trick, has a special attribute, that is utilized in consciousness, makes consciousness possible, evident in the ability to anticipate things, even things that might (could) happen but you have no idea when
>>>where does the past go, the obvious answer might be the past recedes into the past, and question answered
Where the future come from?
It comes from the present, the present recedes into the past
The past comes from the present.
>>>but there is this further question of whatever you call it, related thermodynamic time, the moment, the now
i’m not convinced that can be explained with every-day-physics people experience and are familiar with, regular cause and effect
I think to understand the present you need to understand the past, and the future.
>>>“The oldest carbon-14-dated seed that has grown into a viable plant was Silene stenophylla (narrow-leafed campion), an Arctic flower native to Siberia. Radiocarbon dating has confirmed an age of 31,800 ±300 years for the seeds.”
It waits until the conditions are right. To lie around that long waiting is amazing.
Tau.Neutrino said:
>>>“The oldest carbon-14-dated seed that has grown into a viable plant was Silene stenophylla (narrow-leafed campion), an Arctic flower native to Siberia. Radiocarbon dating has confirmed an age of 31,800 ±300 years for the seeds.”It waits until the conditions are right. To lie around that long waiting is amazing.
well, the important thing is it can avoid losing too much structure for some intervening period, then it later emerges as if the intervening period had little effect on it, this means it has to some extent detached from the moment (the conditions), traversed time, structure from the past has traversed time and has recombination potential into the future. Past meets future, or whatever now, but it has a future trajectory so you can say future
so the question that hangs in my head, is whether encoding a decoding (of such examples) is entirely constrained by straight physics, given time doesn’t seem to be the outcome of straight physics
there’s a spooky dimension straight physics only gets hints of
encoding a and decoding (of such examples)
fixed
perhaps something that comes closer, of behavior, field of psychology, is the question of what exactly you’re doing when you don’t do something, and the reality is everyone is not doing a lot of things, you know I do this and that and there are fifty things i’m not doing, knowingly not doing them, they ride along with what I do, influence what I do. Imagine, there’s all these things i’ll never do that influence what I do, things i’ve never done that influence what I do. Some things you can postpone into non-existence (borrowed that, Menzies maybe), so there’s this territory of deferral, suspension, which from the perspective of what is more apparent could be simply economy, you can’t be both this and that when this displaced that possibility, and you can’t be physically here if you’re physically there. But of what you don’t do, is that all economy, really, something tells me it’s not
is it all reward reinforcement, or do humans traverse a lot of it with mental states, bridge with mental states, somewhat in defiance of environment, and rewards originated external
if possibility space includes all that you’ve never done, it’s fertile territory, no less fertile because of anyone ever having done more
how does anyone have a notion of what they don’t know, where does the idea you could be mostly what you don’t know come from. You could go further, and say everyone is substantially what they have never done, and will never do. Not doing too much is safe/r, not trying to do too much, same
so it seems possibility space includes that intentionally made unlikely
but is it just straight physics, I mean if asked you to bring me some possibility space, drop it here on the table and reverse engineer it for cause and effect, what would you find
if you had an apparently simple perception and thought recognizing an apple, what of all else that was inhibited to resolve that?
and in that, somehow, probably exists some secret of cognition