Morning punters and correctors, pinch and a punch.

Good morning from the correct thread. Mr buffy has pointed out that we were all still in last month except PWM.

The temp has now fallen to 17 degrees, which is lovely. The fog has cleared. We’ve got steady very light rain. That’s excellent.

Going for a drive to Inverleigh today to meet my brother and return his dog. One of the high voltage power line towers fell over near Cressy yesterday afternoon. No fire, apparently, but some electrified fences.

Ooh, seems it was more than one tower.

https://emergency.vic.gov.au/public/event%2Fwarning%2F13155.html

17 degrees wpuld be lovely! Currently 28 in my lounge room.

Divine Angel said:

17 degrees wpuld be lovely! Currently 28 in my lounge room.

31 in mine.

Peak Warming Man said:

Morning punters and correctors, pinch and a punch.

Stop it. That hurts.

36 degrees.

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

buffy said:

Ooh, seems it was more than one tower.

https://emergency.vic.gov.au/public/event%2Fwarning%2F13155.html

Bloody.

buffy said:

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

That’s kind of weird. Applying for a blue card is not onerous, and the costs are borne by the RFS. I wonder what his real objection is.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Ooh, seems it was more than one tower.

https://emergency.vic.gov.au/public/event%2Fwarning%2F13155.html

Bloody.

Still, just imagine the outcry if it had been a wind tower…

;)

Michael V said:

buffy said:

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

That’s kind of weird. Applying for a blue card is not onerous, and the costs are borne by the RFS. I wonder what his real objection is.

He does say the other emerg services people do not need them. I can see the argument about why firies (volunteer or not) but not people who do actually handle folk.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

That’s kind of weird. Applying for a blue card is not onerous, and the costs are borne by the RFS. I wonder what his real objection is.

He does say the other emerg services people do not need them. I can see the argument about why firies (volunteer or not) but not people who do actually handle folk.

I have to get my Working with Old People clearance renewed next time I am in the office.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

That’s kind of weird. Applying for a blue card is not onerous, and the costs are borne by the RFS. I wonder what his real objection is.

If only the RFS could get some certification to show that prospective members aren’t firebugs…

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

That’s kind of weird. Applying for a blue card is not onerous, and the costs are borne by the RFS. I wonder what his real objection is.

If only the RFS could get some certification to show that prospective members aren’t firebugs…

maybe issue them with cards that burn with really weird coloured smoke. If the can’t produce them on demand because, it got burned officer, then that’ll be a dead giveaway.

ChrispenEvan said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

That’s kind of weird. Applying for a blue card is not onerous, and the costs are borne by the RFS. I wonder what his real objection is.

If only the RFS could get some certification to show that prospective members aren’t firebugs…

maybe issue them with cards that burn with really weird coloured smoke. If the can’t produce them on demand because, it got burned officer, then that’ll be a dead giveaway.

y

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

That’s kind of weird. Applying for a blue card is not onerous, and the costs are borne by the RFS. I wonder what his real objection is.

If only the RFS could get some certification to show that prospective members aren’t firebugs…

Nods.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Ooh, seems it was more than one tower.

https://emergency.vic.gov.au/public/event%2Fwarning%2F13155.html

Bloody.

A dose of the windy spasms.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-31/fact-check-have-bushfires-killed-more-than-a-billion-animals/11912538

When i joined a pistol club, there was a probationary/training period.

One day, i saw one of the senior club members watching a small group of ‘prospects’, and i asked him about it.

He said, ‘i like to try to spot the potential domestic-incident shooters early on’.

The deal was, your application to join would come up at a meeting of the club. If anyone objected, then it was a ‘no’. No questions asked of the objector, no explanation provided to the applicant, no right of appeal, just ‘no’. If you didn’t like it, complain to someone who cares, maybe your granny.

Moolies moolies everywhere and lots of drops to drink. :)

SEVERE WEATHER WARNING – HEAVY RAINFALL – BoM advises INTENSE RAINFALL in association with rain and thunderstorms which may lead to dangerous and life-threatening flash flooding may develop over the warning area during today. General rainfall totals of between 20mm and 50mm are expected with isolated falls up to 100mm possible for parts of western and central Victoria today.

We’re done with the fires – Bring us floods and landslides.

ChrispenEvan said:

Heh

McKenzie propped up Netball Australia with ‘special’ grant

Karen Middleton

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2020/01/31/exclusive-mckenzie-propped-netball-australia-with-special-grant

Former Sport minister Bridget McKenzie authorised a $2.5 million bailout grant for Netball Australia in 2018, bypassing the board of federal funding agency Sport Australia and enraging its chairman.

The Saturday Paper has confirmed that McKenzie, an avowed netball fan and co-chair of the Parliamentary Friends of Netball, authorised the one-off payment to be made through the Health Department at a time when netball’s peak national body was struggling financially.

The grant application was not made through Sport Australia – then known as the Australian Sports Commission – and it played no role.

Through its chairman, John Wylie, Sport Australia’s board blasted Health Department officials over their reasons for the special grant, which was made with few specified conditions.

Wylie argued the officials described the ordinary business challenges that all sporting bodies faced, rather than justification for a special payment. It contrasted with other organisations in similar circumstances – including the Paralympic Committee and Cycling Australia – which had been offered only repayable loans.

McKenzie authorised the grant after Netball Australia complained that the broadcast deal for its Super Netball series had not proved as lucrative as it had hoped.

The Saturday Paper has been told Wylie’s response was, effectively: “Too bad.” But he did not have the authority to block it.

Backed by his board, the furious chairman later dispatched the Sport Australia auditors to undertake a governance review of Netball Australia.

It is understood Sport Australia later applied reporting requirements to the grant.

The Health Department first confirmed the existence of the $2.5 million grant, and the fact that it did not involve Sport Australia, during a senate estimates committee hearing in 2018.

The Saturday Paper obtained further details this week, as Prime Minister Scott Morrison wrestled with the fate of his embattled minister over the so-called sports rorts affair.

McKenzie has been under pressure to resign since it was revealed she overrode Sport Australia’s official grants process and skewed a separate pre-election sports infrastructure program to favour the Coalition.

A year after the 2018 netball grant, and a week before the federal election, Morrison and McKenzie, who by then was Regional Services minister, announced that a re-elected Coalition government would award Netball Australia a further $30 million – also with no input from Sport Australia and no public detail about conditions.

That announcement followed a $20 million campaign promise from Labor.

A Health Department spokesperson confirmed on Thursday that the $30 million was part of the government’s $70 million Sport 2030 plan and is being paid over four years to fund a new high-performance Netball Australia centre in Melbourne and support young athletes playing the sport.

The first instalment, $2 million for a digital transformation project, was transferred in December 2019.

There is no further detail available on what the remaining $28 million will fund.

On the $2.5 million 2018 grant, Netball Australia told The Saturday Paper it originally approached then Sport minister Greg Hunt and then minister for Women Michaelia Cash about extra funding in 2017 and transferred the request to their successors, Bridget McKenzie and Kelly O’Dwyer, after a portfolio reshuffle.

The organisation declined to comment further this week.

According to Sport Australia’s website, the netball body received a total of $2.94 million in yearly funding from Sport Australia in the 2018-19 financial year – in addition to the $2.5 million grant.

Although the department has confirmed that the special one-off grant was transferred via Sport Australia, it does not appear on the funding list because it was a ministerial decision.

In the current financial year, Netball Australia has been awarded $3.81 million in yearly funding.

It received another $500,000 across the two financial years under Sport Australia’s Move It AUS – Participation Program.

That ran alongside the Move It AUS – Community Sport Infrastructure grant program that was the subject of a damning January 15 report by the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO), which found McKenzie had overridden Sport Australia’s merit-based assessment of grant applicants and run a separate and biased process aimed at winning seats in the upcoming election.

The report said there was no evident legal basis for the minister’s decisions.

Labor has called for McKenzie to quit or be sacked.

“Every day that Bridget McKenzie stays as a cabinet minister, it undermines faith in our democracy,” Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese said on Wednesday. “Because anyone who looks at this knows that this is just a complete rort. It’s a scandal of massive proportions.”

Scott Morrison has been waiting for a review he commissioned two weeks ago from the secretary of his department, Phil Gaetjens, into whether McKenzie breached ministerial standards, before deciding if she should remain in the ministry.

“I have full confidence that the secretary will undertake those responsibilities, as you would all expect him to, and that will lead him to his recommendations and I’ll deal with those,” Morrison said on Wednesday.

The Labor opposition and senate crossbench are planning to establish a senate inquiry when parliament resumes next week.

Late this week, they had not decided whether they would proceed if McKenzie resigned in the meantime.

The government now also faces a decision on the future of Sport Australia itself, after a not-yet-released review of the agency’s operations delivered scathing findings on its general governance.

Former Liberal senator Rod Kemp, who served as Sport minister from 2001 to 2007, was tasked with examining the sports body. What some assumed would be a perfunctory study – especially given the reviewer’s political pedigree – is understood to have produced a scorching assessment.

Whether the report, recently delivered to McKenzie’s successor as Sport minister, Senator Richard Colbeck, deals directly with the agency’s relationship with McKenzie is not clear.

A spokesman for Colbeck said functional and efficiency reviews were a regular part of government and that this one was to ensure Sport Australia was equipped to manage the national sport plan, Sport 2030.

Kemp’s findings have now become entangled with deliberations over McKenzie’s political future.

Cabinet is due to discuss the report on Monday.

The picture emerging from the assorted controversies is marked by dysfunctional relationships – between the former minister, her department and Sport Australia, and within the agency itself.

The surprise netball grant is understood to have fuelled tension between Wylie and Sport Australia’s then chief executive, Kate Palmer, who was formerly Netball Australia’s chief executive.

Palmer left the organisation this week after her three-year contract was not renewed.

Wylie and Palmer issued a statement late last year saying Palmer had not sought to renew her contract. A spokesman for Sport Australia said this week that Palmer had nothing to add to her original statement.

Also retiring at the end of the month is Health Department secretary Glenys Beauchamp, whose department includes the government’s Office for Sport. It will also oversee a new statutory body, Sport Integrity Australia, which is due to be established midyear, pending the passage of legislation.

“It is solely related to her 65th birthday,” a departmental spokesperson said of Beauchamp’s retirement. “It is quite normal for a person to retire at that time.”

As Health Department secretary, Beauchamp is also an ex-officio member of Sport Australia’s board.

The board lost another member, cycling enthusiast and former Liberal Party pollster Mark Textor, in 2018, when he quit after less than seven months, having donated his board fees to charity.

Textor, who had chaired cycling’s Amy Gillett Foundation, declined to answer questions on why he left Sport Australia. But he told others that he found McKenzie’s office arrogant and that he had problems with the chief executive.

It is understood Textor backed the concerns raised by some members of the board about the agency’s spending priorities, including a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign for the Move It programs. The Saturday Paper has been told the campaign included paying to have the steps of Melbourne’s Southern Cross Station – regularly used as a billboard – painted with the Move It logo, for just a few days.

Beyond the boardroom, there has been a string of staff and executive departures over the past year as a result of both financial pressures and clashes over direction.

One of those was the unnamed official mentioned in the ANAO report as having had an undisclosed conflict of interest through ongoing ties to a particular sport.

The Saturday Paper has confirmed the executive is Robin O’Neill, whose links to tennis were known to the agency but, the audit found, not well managed.

O’Neill was also the author of a letter to Bridget McKenzie while she was Sport minister, protesting at her politicised handling of the infrastructure grants. As director of sport partnerships, O’Neill oversaw the grants program but was not involved in assessing the applications.

The Saturday Paper does not suggest he influenced the funding decisions. He has now left the agency.

Sport Australia has its own financial challenges, with some other sports administrators strongly criticising its priorities.

The Saturday Paper has learnt that even before the Kemp review was completed, Sport Minister Richard Colbeck had begun pressing the agency to better manage its money.

Some critics say conflicts of interest remain a problem because senior figures in the organisation have close links to particular sports. Some allege that sports that should have healthy independent funding streams through broadcast deals – including Australian rules football and cricket – are receiving disproportionate funding. Netball Australia is understood to be currently renegotiating its broadcast deal with Channel Nine.

Critics also highlight the travel costs for executives living away from Canberra – where the agency and staff are based – and flying in for a few days a week.

One insider said: “I don’t think, as an agency, that they for the last two years have remembered that they were part of government.”

Sport Australia now awaits cabinet’s decision on Rod Kemp’s report.

The Saturday Paper has been told it dissects the full range of issues affecting agency operations, including the curious structure that has split off the Australian Institute of Sport and set up duelling chief executives, as well as the fallout from bitter personal clashes.

In political circles, some speculate the report may be used to deflect the attack on McKenzie and try to shift the blame.

This week, the prime minister continued to defend McKenzie’s approach, declaring ministers superior to officials in choosing grant recipients.

“At the end of the day, politicians, members of parliament, are elected,” he said. “We face our electors. We are part of our communities.”

Addressing the National Press Club on Wednesday, Morrison suggested the government may fund overlooked projects.

“There are many, many, many more worthy projects in this area,” he said. “… And I will work with the treasurer to see how we can better support even more projects in the future.”

With the Australian Government Solicitor’s advice on the legality of the grants program imminent, that may be an attempt to head off some kind of class action.

Either way, it will certainly cost a lot more money.

Woodie said:

Moolies moolies everywhere and lots of drops to drink. :)

Keeps fingers crossed.

Rule 303 said:

SEVERE WEATHER WARNING – HEAVY RAINFALL – BoM advises INTENSE RAINFALL in association with rain and thunderstorms which may lead to dangerous and life-threatening flash flooding may develop over the warning area during today. General rainfall totals of between 20mm and 50mm are expected with isolated falls up to 100mm possible for parts of western and central Victoria today.

We’re done with the fires – Bring us floods and landslides.

Heck. If it’s not one thing it’s the others.

ChrispenEvan said:

McKenzie propped up Netball Australia with ‘special’ grant

Karen Middleton

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2020/01/31/exclusive-mckenzie-propped-netball-australia-with-special-grant

Former Sport minister Bridget McKenzie authorised a $2.5 million bailout grant for Netball Australia in 2018, bypassing the board of federal funding agency Sport Australia and enraging its chairman.

The Saturday Paper has confirmed that McKenzie, an avowed netball fan and co-chair of the Parliamentary Friends of Netball, authorised the one-off payment to be made through the Health Department at a time when netball’s peak national body was struggling financially.

Smellier and smellier…

kettle’s on the flame, raw toast under the grill getting a tan

choock’s had half a slice of bread, didn’t want a coffee

transition said:

kettle’s on the flame, raw toast under the grill getting a tan

choock’s had half a slice of bread, didn’t want a coffee

You’ve got a supernumerary c there.

transition said:

kettle’s on the flame, raw toast under the grill getting a tan

chook’s had half a slice of bread, didn’t want a coffee

vegemite on toast for me, one’s a crust

explore your envy

January 32nd is my favourite day

Well fuck me. It’s February 2020.

I was always expecting this day would arrive. But here it is, it just rolled along. No rapture. no nuclear war, no perpetual radioactive wasteland. It just is.

They should have called this thread something flash like “Febchat 5000”.

party_pants said:

Well fuck me. It’s February 2020.

I was always expecting this day would arrive. But here it is, it just rolled along. No rapture. no nuclear war, no perpetual radioactive wasteland. It just is.

No, that’s tomorrow 02022020

party_pants said:

Well fuck me. It’s February 2020.

I was always expecting this day would arrive. But here it is, it just rolled along. No rapture. no nuclear war, no perpetual radioactive wasteland. It just is.

Nation on fire in Scomo’s Summer of Shame, much more to come.

Psychopaths in control of the UK, US, Oz etc.

Bettina Arndt and Miranda Devine made Dames, Andrew Bolt knighted, Alan Jones the next GG.

I’m sure Tau can compile a longer list.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Well fuck me. It’s February 2020.

I was always expecting this day would arrive. But here it is, it just rolled along. No rapture. no nuclear war, no perpetual radioactive wasteland. It just is.

Nation on fire in Scomo’s Summer of Shame, much more to come.

Psychopaths in control of the UK, US, Oz etc.

Bettina Arndt and Miranda Devine made Dames, Andrew Bolt knighted, Alan Jones the next GG.

I’m sure Tau can compile a longer list.

But the important things. Cashless debit cards and propping up prejudices.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Well fuck me. It’s February 2020.

I was always expecting this day would arrive. But here it is, it just rolled along. No rapture. no nuclear war, no perpetual radioactive wasteland. It just is.

Nation on fire in Scomo’s Summer of Shame, much more to come.

Psychopaths in control of the UK, US, Oz etc.

Bettina Arndt and Miranda Devine made Dames, Andrew Bolt knighted, Alan Jones the next GG.

I’m sure Tau can compile a longer list.

But it is here. The world has not ended and we have not all perished. I was brought up to think that I’d never see the 2020s.

We are back. Victoria is returned to her family.

buffy said:

We are back. Victoria is returned to her family.

Was she happy about it?

02/02/2020 would have been my Mum’s 99th birthday.

buffy said:

We are back. Victoria is returned to her family.

All fired up…

ChrispenEvan said:

02/02/2020 would have been my Mum’s 99th birthday.

My mum would have been 102 last week.

buffy said:

We are back. Victoria is returned to her family.

PWM expects photos. Lots of photos.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Well fuck me. It’s February 2020.

I was always expecting this day would arrive. But here it is, it just rolled along. No rapture. no nuclear war, no perpetual radioactive wasteland. It just is.

Nation on fire in Scomo’s Summer of Shame, much more to come.

Psychopaths in control of the UK, US, Oz etc.

Bettina Arndt and Miranda Devine made Dames, Andrew Bolt knighted, Alan Jones the next GG.

I’m sure Tau can compile a longer list.

But it is here. The world has not ended and we have not all perished. I was brought up to think that I’d never see the 2020s.

Presumably though you were expected to be enjoying a better life in οὐρανός or suchlike.

With BREXIT about to happen, The Express
(UK Newspaper) website used this image of
the new ‘Blue’ UK Passports today, not realising
the image was actually created by Monty Python.
Check out the motto !

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Nation on fire in Scomo’s Summer of Shame, much more to come.

Psychopaths in control of the UK, US, Oz etc.

Bettina Arndt and Miranda Devine made Dames, Andrew Bolt knighted, Alan Jones the next GG.

I’m sure Tau can compile a longer list.

But it is here. The world has not ended and we have not all perished. I was brought up to think that I’d never see the 2020s.

Presumably though you were expected to be enjoying a better life in οὐρανός or suchlike.

No. Just the general expectation that the world would end by now. Either through nuclear war, or through the rapture, or some combination of the two. Some people at the church I went to as a kid had a strong sense of the prophesied end times being near. Being still alive in 2020 as the default option was not really taught. I was never taught as a child to expect to grow old and die at some stage.

ChrispenEvan said:

With BREXIT about to happen, The Express
(UK Newspaper) website used this image of
the new ‘Blue’ UK Passports today, not realising
the image was actually created by Monty Python.
Check out the motto !

Sad.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

But it is here. The world has not ended and we have not all perished. I was brought up to think that I’d never see the 2020s.

Presumably though you were expected to be enjoying a better life in οὐρανός or suchlike.

No. Just the general expectation that the world would end by now. Either through nuclear war, or through the rapture, or some combination of the two. Some people at the church I went to as a kid had a strong sense of the prophesied end times being near. Being still alive in 2020 as the default option was not really taught. I was never taught as a child to expect to grow old and die at some stage.

Well that was abusive.

ChrispenEvan said:

With BREXIT about to happen, The Express
(UK Newspaper) website used this image of
the new ‘Blue’ UK Passports today, not realising
the image was actually created by Monty Python.
Check out the motto !

PMSL

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Presumably though you were expected to be enjoying a better life in οὐρανός or suchlike.

No. Just the general expectation that the world would end by now. Either through nuclear war, or through the rapture, or some combination of the two. Some people at the church I went to as a kid had a strong sense of the prophesied end times being near. Being still alive in 2020 as the default option was not really taught. I was never taught as a child to expect to grow old and die at some stage.

Well that was abusive.

Yeah. It’s why I reject the churches these days, in articular the evangelicals who believe in all this Revelations nonsense.

ChrispenEvan said:

With BREXIT about to happen, The Express
(UK Newspaper) website used this image of
the new ‘Blue’ UK Passports today, not realising
the image was actually created by Monty Python.
Check out the motto !

Why do they need a new passport?

is this so they wont be allowed out?

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

But it is here. The world has not ended and we have not all perished. I was brought up to think that I’d never see the 2020s.

Presumably though you were expected to be enjoying a better life in οὐρανός or suchlike.

No. Just the general expectation that the world would end by now. Either through nuclear war, or through the rapture, or some combination of the two. Some people at the church I went to as a kid had a strong sense of the prophesied end times being near. Being still alive in 2020 as the default option was not really taught. I was never taught as a child to expect to grow old and die at some stage.

That’s what I meant. Oὐρανός (ouranos) is Heaven in New Testament Greek. I assume the rapcha folks are zooming up to such a Kingdom.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

No. Just the general expectation that the world would end by now. Either through nuclear war, or through the rapture, or some combination of the two. Some people at the church I went to as a kid had a strong sense of the prophesied end times being near. Being still alive in 2020 as the default option was not really taught. I was never taught as a child to expect to grow old and die at some stage.

Well that was abusive.

Yeah. It’s why I reject the churches these days, in articular the evangelicals who believe in all this Revelations nonsense.

We have one of those running the country. But I don’t think he believes it. That is just his power base stuff. He lies like there is no tomorrow. And if he was a gospel believer one would think he would be a nicer fellow.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Presumably though you were expected to be enjoying a better life in οὐρανός or suchlike.

No. Just the general expectation that the world would end by now. Either through nuclear war, or through the rapture, or some combination of the two. Some people at the church I went to as a kid had a strong sense of the prophesied end times being near. Being still alive in 2020 as the default option was not really taught. I was never taught as a child to expect to grow old and die at some stage.

That’s what I meant. Oὐρανός (ouranos) is Heaven in New Testament Greek. I assume the rapcha folks are zooming up to such a Kingdom.

Sorry. I’m not a scholar of ancient Greek.

In fact, I’ve been feeling a bit unwell since this morning so I’m not really a scholar of anything today.

Canberra has gone to emergency level.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

We are back. Victoria is returned to her family.

Was she happy about it?

Yes, very waggy tailed.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Well that was abusive.

Yeah. It’s why I reject the churches these days, in articular the evangelicals who believe in all this Revelations nonsense.

We have one of those running the country. But I don’t think he believes it. That is just his power base stuff. He lies like there is no tomorrow. And if he was a gospel believer one would think he would be a nicer fellow.

But a lot of the genuinely devout seem to be compete bastards. The idea that “proper Christians” are nice people doesn’t seem to be empirically accurate.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

No. Just the general expectation that the world would end by now. Either through nuclear war, or through the rapture, or some combination of the two. Some people at the church I went to as a kid had a strong sense of the prophesied end times being near. Being still alive in 2020 as the default option was not really taught. I was never taught as a child to expect to grow old and die at some stage.

That’s what I meant. Oὐρανός (ouranos) is Heaven in New Testament Greek. I assume the rapcha folks are zooming up to such a Kingdom.

Sorry. I’m not a scholar of ancient Greek.

In fact, I’ve been feeling a bit unwell since this morning so I’m not really a scholar of anything today.

Sympathies, I hope it’s nothing serious.

I’m feeling run down because my sleeping has been buggered up by all this heat.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

We are back. Victoria is returned to her family.

PWM expects photos. Lots of photos.

Damn. I didn’t take any. But I did try to photograph the mess along the Hamilton Hwy near Cressy where the Big Wind went through and took out the high voltage towers to Portland yesterday. Couldn’t go down the road to look at the pylons and it was misty rain, so I could only guess exactly where they went down. The wind must have been ferocious by the number of roadside trees damaged. I’ll upload them later and show you.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Well that was abusive.

Yeah. It’s why I reject the churches these days, in articular the evangelicals who believe in all this Revelations nonsense.

We have one of those running the country. But I don’t think he believes it. That is just his power base stuff. He lies like there is no tomorrow. And if he was a gospel believer one would think he would be a nicer fellow.

He believes a much bastardised version of the gospels. Makes the Catholic church look good.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Well that was abusive.

Yeah. It’s why I reject the churches these days, in articular the evangelicals who believe in all this Revelations nonsense.

We have one of those running the country. But I don’t think he believes it. That is just his power base stuff. He lies like there is no tomorrow. And if he was a gospel believer one would think he would be a nicer fellow.

Not the way it works I reckon. The old idea of church was as much about community as it was about theology. The new evangelical theology takes away community and replaces it “a personal relationship with God” or some other such concept. It is selfish and individualistic. People go to these mega churches to be entertained, not to connect and communicate with local people in their community. The larger the group the less chance of actually getting to know people.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

That’s what I meant. Oὐρανός (ouranos) is Heaven in New Testament Greek. I assume the rapcha folks are zooming up to such a Kingdom.

Sorry. I’m not a scholar of ancient Greek.

In fact, I’ve been feeling a bit unwell since this morning so I’m not really a scholar of anything today.

Sympathies, I hope it’s nothing serious.

I’m feeling run down because my sleeping has been buggered up by all this heat.

Just hayfever type symptoms, plus a mild hangover. Woke with a terrible cramp in my leg that I can’t quite seem to shake off. Nothing serious like coronavirus.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Yeah. It’s why I reject the churches these days, in articular the evangelicals who believe in all this Revelations nonsense.

We have one of those running the country. But I don’t think he believes it. That is just his power base stuff. He lies like there is no tomorrow. And if he was a gospel believer one would think he would be a nicer fellow.

Not the way it works I reckon. The old idea of church was as much about community as it was about theology. The new evangelical theology takes away community and replaces it “a personal relationship with God” or some other such concept. It is selfish and individualistic. People go to these mega churches to be entertained, not to connect and communicate with local people in their community. The larger the group the less chance of actually getting to know people.

And how they can all believe that they can all be rich and that they all deserve it is beyond me.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

No. Just the general expectation that the world would end by now. Either through nuclear war, or through the rapture, or some combination of the two. Some people at the church I went to as a kid had a strong sense of the prophesied end times being near. Being still alive in 2020 as the default option was not really taught. I was never taught as a child to expect to grow old and die at some stage.

That’s what I meant. Oὐρανός (ouranos) is Heaven in New Testament Greek. I assume the rapcha folks are zooming up to such a Kingdom.

Sorry. I’m not a scholar of ancient Greek.

In fact, I’ve been feeling a bit unwell since this morning so I’m not really a scholar of anything today.

Bugger. What’s wrong?

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Sorry. I’m not a scholar of ancient Greek.

In fact, I’ve been feeling a bit unwell since this morning so I’m not really a scholar of anything today.

Sympathies, I hope it’s nothing serious.

I’m feeling run down because my sleeping has been buggered up by all this heat.

Just hayfever type symptoms, plus a mild hangover. Woke with a terrible cramp in my leg that I can’t quite seem to shake off. Nothing serious like coronavirus.

I’m picking up a bit since then.

Attacking someone for their faith never ends well for the attackees.
Doesn’t matter whether they’re attacking Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc there in lies the path to political wilderness which leads to shouting louder and more wilderness.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Yeah. It’s why I reject the churches these days, in articular the evangelicals who believe in all this Revelations nonsense.

We have one of those running the country. But I don’t think he believes it. That is just his power base stuff. He lies like there is no tomorrow. And if he was a gospel believer one would think he would be a nicer fellow.

Not the way it works I reckon. The old idea of church was as much about community as it was about theology. The new evangelical theology takes away community and replaces it “a personal relationship with God” or some other such concept. It is selfish and individualistic. People go to these mega churches to be entertained, not to connect and communicate with local people in their community. The larger the group the less chance of actually getting to know people.

I watch jimmy swaggart some, for the music (lady can’t stand it being on), anyway possibly some truth in what you say, if want to see it that way. What strikes me is the marketing thing about it very much is the same as you might find in commercials, infocommercials, (style is same), the delivery is so similar (to me) I start to wonder if God was in the sales business, perhaps he was a capitalist

all ideology (devices) work in the field of converting intangibles into something otherwise, so God etc are quite useful that way

so if you can impoverish a person, or appeal to poverty of imagination, whatever, could even be mental states, they have something to fill the void, and you know it works quite often, but to generalize there has always been social forces that take with one hand and offer something back, a fix, a remedy, with the other

Peak Warming Man said:

Attacking someone for their faith never ends well for the attackees.
Doesn’t matter whether they’re attacking Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc there in lies the path to political wilderness which leads to shouting louder and more wilderness.

But woke latte sippers and unwashed unemployed are free game.

transition said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

We have one of those running the country. But I don’t think he believes it. That is just his power base stuff. He lies like there is no tomorrow. And if he was a gospel believer one would think he would be a nicer fellow.

Not the way it works I reckon. The old idea of church was as much about community as it was about theology. The new evangelical theology takes away community and replaces it “a personal relationship with God” or some other such concept. It is selfish and individualistic. People go to these mega churches to be entertained, not to connect and communicate with local people in their community. The larger the group the less chance of actually getting to know people.

I watch jimmy swaggart some, for the music (lady can’t stand it being on), anyway possibly some truth in what you say, if want to see it that way. What strikes me is the marketing thing about it very much is the same as you might find in commercials, infocommercials, (style is same), the delivery is so similar (to me) I start to wonder if God was in the sales business, perhaps he was a capitalist

all ideology (devices) work in the field of converting intangibles into something otherwise, so God etc are quite useful that way

so if you can impoverish a person, or appeal to poverty of imagination, whatever, could even be mental states, they have something to fill the void, and you know it works quite often, but to generalize there has always been social forces that take with one hand and offer something back, a fix, a remedy, with the other

Jimmy Swaggert, now there was one hell of a charlatan but they are many, they are legion.

Peak Warming Man said:

Attacking someone for their faith never ends well for the attackees.
Doesn’t matter whether they’re attacking Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc there in lies the path to political wilderness which leads to shouting louder and more wilderness.

Fortunately atheists don’t “attack” religious believers, we just criticise them for believing bullshit.

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Attacking someone for their faith never ends well for the attackees.
Doesn’t matter whether they’re attacking Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc there in lies the path to political wilderness which leads to shouting louder and more wilderness.

But woke latte sippers and unwashed unemployed are free game.

No, no one should be free game.

Peak Warming Man said:

Attacking someone for their faith never ends well for the attackees.
Doesn’t matter whether they’re attacking Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc there in lies the path to political wilderness which leads to shouting louder and more wilderness.

I only attack aborigines for their beliefs.

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Attacking someone for their faith never ends well for the attackees.
Doesn’t matter whether they’re attacking Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc there in lies the path to political wilderness which leads to shouting louder and more wilderness.

But woke latte sippers and unwashed unemployed are free game.

They’re much more evil than religious hypocrites like Scomo, Barnaby and Abbott.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Attacking someone for their faith never ends well for the attackees.
Doesn’t matter whether they’re attacking Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc there in lies the path to political wilderness which leads to shouting louder and more wilderness.

I only attack aborigines for their beliefs.

You could get a job with News Ltd.

This is the only online photo I could find of the towers down near Cressy. The road is closed, so we couldn’t go and sticky beak. It’s the line to Portland smelter. They were out of action for a while.

The Hamilton Hwy has around 10km of roadside trees which have been very obviously blown wildly yesterday at the same time as the towers went over. Bear in mind I took these photos from a car moving on the highway, and it was raining lightly so I had to dodge the windscreen wipers.

Yes, a new windscreen has been ordered. It was a truck going the other way middle of last week that did that…then it spread during the hot weather over the past couple of days.

Description from the Warrnambool Standard:

UPDATE: 6.10pm: A STORM cell that tore through the Cressy area on Friday afternoon has left a trail of destruction, a firefighter says.

District Six operations officer Mark Gunning said there was damage to a number of properties and power lines.

“An eyewitness reported the sky turning black and square hay bales flying down the road,” Mr Gunning said.

“Iron has been ripped from roofs and is around paddocks.”

He said there were six high voltage power lines “ripped out of the ground” north of Cressy, and damage to at least one other.

buffy said:

This is the only online photo I could find of the towers down near Cressy. The road is closed, so we couldn’t go and sticky beak. It’s the line to Portland smelter. They were out of action for a while.

I didn’t think it was possible for those things to blow over like that.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Attacking someone for their faith never ends well for the attackees.
Doesn’t matter whether they’re attacking Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc there in lies the path to political wilderness which leads to shouting louder and more wilderness.

I only attack aborigines for their beliefs.

That’s not funny.

Speedy said:

buffy said:

This is the only online photo I could find of the towers down near Cressy. The road is closed, so we couldn’t go and sticky beak. It’s the line to Portland smelter. They were out of action for a while.

I didn’t think it was possible for those things to blow over like that.

Don’t you remember the fuss in SA a few years ago when some were wrecked over there?

sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:

With BREXIT about to happen, The Express
(UK Newspaper) website used this image of
the new ‘Blue’ UK Passports today, not realising
the image was actually created by Monty Python.
Check out the motto !

Sad.

I suppose it is really.

… but I just had to laugh I saw the photograph.

buffy said:

Speedy said:

buffy said:

This is the only online photo I could find of the towers down near Cressy. The road is closed, so we couldn’t go and sticky beak. It’s the line to Portland smelter. They were out of action for a while.

I didn’t think it was possible for those things to blow over like that.

Don’t you remember the fuss in SA a few years ago when some were wrecked over there?

I remember that they had power outages, but not that their towers blew over.

The only damaged towers I think I have seen images of were those in Canada that were crushed by the weight of ice.

This was the famous photo from SA in 2016:

>>One of the worst storms to hit South Australia in 50 years knocked out 22 high-voltage power pylons. The lines on those pylons carry electricity generated near Port Augusta to the rest of the state.<<

From: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/29/south-australia-blackout-explained-renewables-not-to-blame

buffy said:

This was the famous photo from SA in 2016:

I don’t remember it. Did the Cressy towers buckle in the same place?

buffy said:

This was the famous photo from SA in 2016:

I guess it is the sort of thing that if one of them gets blown over, say in a very localised tornado, it could pull another couple of towers down with it due to all the tension on the lines.

buffy said:

This is the only online photo I could find of the towers down near Cressy. The road is closed, so we couldn’t go and sticky beak. It’s the line to Portland smelter. They were out of action for a while.

The Hamilton Hwy has around 10km of roadside trees which have been very obviously blown wildly yesterday at the same time as the towers went over. Bear in mind I took these photos from a car moving on the highway, and it was raining lightly so I had to dodge the windscreen wipers.

Yes, a new windscreen has been ordered. It was a truck going the other way middle of last week that did that…then it spread during the hot weather over the past couple of days.

it’s a tree’s job, to slow down the wind, shade too, some of the secrets of trees. Modern man doesn’t always appreciate such things

if you see one, with a broken branch, or stumps and roots ripped completely up, remember the good fight it put up, some respect for the trees

buffy said:

This was the famous photo from SA in 2016:

During the Black Saturday fires towers were buckled by the heat.

Speedy said:

buffy said:

This was the famous photo from SA in 2016:

I don’t remember it. Did the Cressy towers buckle in the same place?

From that photo I posted, it looks like the Cressy ones got pulled right out rather than bending.

buffy said:

This was the famous photo from SA in 2016:

swinging cables i’d expect likely contributed to that, + tension, they weigh quite a lot over a span, and multiple spans

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Attacking someone for their faith never ends well for the attackees.
Doesn’t matter whether they’re attacking Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc there in lies the path to political wilderness which leads to shouting louder and more wilderness.

But woke latte sippers and unwashed unemployed are free game.

Sure, why not. They are irreligious, so therefore free game.

transition said:

buffy said:

This is the only online photo I could find of the towers down near Cressy. The road is closed, so we couldn’t go and sticky beak. It’s the line to Portland smelter. They were out of action for a while.

The Hamilton Hwy has around 10km of roadside trees which have been very obviously blown wildly yesterday at the same time as the towers went over. Bear in mind I took these photos from a car moving on the highway, and it was raining lightly so I had to dodge the windscreen wipers.

Yes, a new windscreen has been ordered. It was a truck going the other way middle of last week that did that…then it spread during the hot weather over the past couple of days.

it’s a tree’s job, to slow down the wind, shade too, some of the secrets of trees. Modern man doesn’t always appreciate such things

if you see one, with a broken branch, or stumps and roots ripped completely up, remember the good fight it put up, some respect for the trees

Indeed. Have you ever considered revegetating part of your lot?

transition said:

buffy said:

This was the famous photo from SA in 2016:

swinging cables i’d expect likely contributed to that, + tension, they weigh quite a lot over a span, and multiple spans

I guess the cables could do that bridge-swinging thing. What’s that phenomenon called again?

buffy said:

Speedy said:

buffy said:

This was the famous photo from SA in 2016:

I don’t remember it. Did the Cressy towers buckle in the same place?

From that photo I posted, it looks like the Cressy ones got pulled right out rather than bending.

Aaahhh. Someone just forgot to bolt them down.

Speedy said:

transition said:

buffy said:

This was the famous photo from SA in 2016:

swinging cables i’d expect likely contributed to that, + tension, they weigh quite a lot over a span, and multiple spans

I guess the cables could do that bridge-swinging thing. What’s that phenomenon called again?

call it resonance, or oscillation, that’ll do

ABC’s got a photo too:

The emergency warning says stuff like “Don’t touch the fences!” The wires fell on fences. And after the overnight rain, I reckon the keep away distance might be quite big.

buffy said:

The emergency warning says stuff like “Don’t touch the fences!” The wires fell on fences. And after the overnight rain, I reckon the keep away distance might be quite big.

I’d hope that the power got cut to those lines very, very, very shortly after they touched the ground, and I mean less than a second type shortly.

He isn’t old enough for this but I am thinking of buying for Henry’s birthday anyway.

https://www.amazon.com/Etchers-Studio-Arthur-Geisert/dp/0395797543

Gonna be in Tas/Vic in July, in case anyone is up for a pud

dv said:

Gonna be in Tas/Vic in July, in case anyone is up for a pud

Excellent. Are you bringing the family?

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Gonna be in Tas/Vic in July, in case anyone is up for a pud

Excellent. Are you bringing the family?

Yes

dv said:

Gonna be in Tas/Vic in July, in case anyone is up for a pud

Makes note in dairy.

sibeen said:

dv said:

Gonna be in Tas/Vic in July, in case anyone is up for a pud

Makes note in dairy.

moo

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Gonna be in Tas/Vic in July, in case anyone is up for a pud

Excellent. Are you bringing the family?

Yes

Cheesy smile emoticon.

buffy said:

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

How strange, would not have thought bushfire fighting volunteers would encounter minors, although apparently anything can happen in Qld.

The Express should do a bit more spotchecking when sourcing art

sarahs mum said:

nice

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

How strange, would not have thought bushfire fighting volunteers would encounter minors, although apparently anything can happen in Qld.

Don’t want to get a Working with Children check?

OK. Bye.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

nice

The Hawaiian shirt is nice touch.

sarahs mum said:

Great summary!

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

How strange, would not have thought bushfire fighting volunteers would encounter minors, although apparently anything can happen in Qld.

Don’t want to get a Working with Children check?

OK. Bye.

These people have nothing to do with children and watch your inferences arsehole.

The quality of this footage makes it look as though this worker’s death was staged :(

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/roof-collapse-kills-worker-during-st-petersburg-stadium-demolition?fbclid=IwAR3s9fOwss00zT510g8dTKi3VKNNWDSvbcgmXN490mzaKuvzl9XX4COs4NY

Speedy said:

The quality of this footage makes it look as though this worker’s death was staged :(

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/roof-collapse-kills-worker-during-st-petersburg-stadium-demolition?fbclid=IwAR3s9fOwss00zT510g8dTKi3VKNNWDSvbcgmXN490mzaKuvzl9XX4COs4NY

Of course it was staged. It just wasn’t meant to completely collapse and kill the worker.

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

How strange, would not have thought bushfire fighting volunteers would encounter minors, although apparently anything can happen in Qld.

Don’t want to get a Working with Children check?

OK. Bye.

Nods.

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Attacking someone for their faith never ends well for the attackees.
Doesn’t matter whether they’re attacking Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc there in lies the path to political wilderness which leads to shouting louder and more wilderness.

I only attack aborigines for their beliefs.

You could get a job with News Ltd.

he’d bolt it in…

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

How strange, would not have thought bushfire fighting volunteers would encounter minors, although apparently anything can happen in Qld.

Don’t want to get a Working with Children check?

OK. Bye.

Nods.

I have been wandering around the bush for over 40 years and not once have I encountered a minor. Now if you Queenslanders think it likely that you will, then it says a lot about your attitude. You might as well say everyone in Australia should have a blue card whether you have anything to do with minors or not.

PermeateFree said:

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

How strange, would not have thought bushfire fighting volunteers would encounter minors, although apparently anything can happen in Qld.

Don’t want to get a Working with Children check?

OK. Bye.

These people have nothing to do with children and watch your inferences arsehole.

>shrug<

They potentially have plenty of contact with children.

Do you think there’s reasons to refuse to submit to the check?

Does calling people ‘arsehole’ usually work for you?

PermeateFree said:

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

How strange, would not have thought bushfire fighting volunteers would encounter minors, although apparently anything can happen in Qld.

Don’t want to get a Working with Children check?

OK. Bye.

These people have nothing to do with children and watch your inferences arsehole.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-16/boy-grabs-dog-escapes-wa-bushfire-emergency-by-driving-to-safety/11802812

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

Rule 303 said:

Don’t want to get a Working with Children check?

OK. Bye.

These people have nothing to do with children and watch your inferences arsehole.

>shrug<

They potentially have plenty of contact with children.

Do you think there’s reasons to refuse to submit to the check?

Does calling people ‘arsehole’ usually work for you?

If you have plenty of contact with children it is because you want to and if so, no wonder they think you should have a blue card.

PermeateFree said:

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

These people have nothing to do with children and watch your inferences arsehole.

>shrug<

They potentially have plenty of contact with children.

Do you think there’s reasons to refuse to submit to the check?

Does calling people ‘arsehole’ usually work for you?

If you have plenty of contact with children it is because you want to and if so, no wonder they think you should have a blue card.

Your response does not appear to address the questions.

I thought it was a bit rich asking for the card but if the org is going to help with the paperwork and supply funds…*shrug

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

Rule 303 said:

Don’t want to get a Working with Children check?

OK. Bye.

These people have nothing to do with children and watch your inferences arsehole.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-16/boy-grabs-dog-escapes-wa-bushfire-emergency-by-driving-to-safety/11802812

Oh well there you go and possible sexual assault in the middle of a bushfire. How absurd.

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

These people have nothing to do with children and watch your inferences arsehole.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-16/boy-grabs-dog-escapes-wa-bushfire-emergency-by-driving-to-safety/11802812

Oh well there you go and possible sexual assault in the middle of a bushfire. How absurd.

i suppose last time a rich ***** called someone a pedo guy they got away with it easy

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

Rule 303 said:

>shrug<

They potentially have plenty of contact with children.

Do you think there’s reasons to refuse to submit to the check?

Does calling people ‘arsehole’ usually work for you?

If you have plenty of contact with children it is because you want to and if so, no wonder they think you should have a blue card.

Your response does not appear to address the questions.

Don’t want to get entangled in your slime.

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-16/boy-grabs-dog-escapes-wa-bushfire-emergency-by-driving-to-safety/11802812

Oh well there you go and possible sexual assault in the middle of a bushfire. How absurd.

i suppose last time a rich ***** called someone a pedo guy they got away with it easy

ponders which 5 letter expletive MZL used

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

How strange, would not have thought bushfire fighting volunteers would encounter minors, although apparently anything can happen in Qld.

This is the list of offences the check covers. The only argument I can see is a Civil Liberties Vs Child Safety debate, and my personal position is right down the ‘Staunch’ end of the Civil Liberties discourse, but there’s no way I would argue for it in this context.

Of course if Scomo had decreed that all volunteer fire fighters had to have a blue card, well the outrage would be off the scale.
It would be a terrible slur on all of these brave men and women who go out to put their lives at risk, leave their families to protect us all, it’s outrageous that they should be forced to get a blue card to prove they aren’t paedophiles. The ABC and the Guardian would go absolutely bananas in their condemnation.
And this place would find plenty of more arguments to condemn Morrison for such an utter act of bastardary.
All semblance of objective analysis would go out the window like it usually does.

Peak Warming Man said:

Of course if Scomo had decreed that all volunteer fire fighters had to have a blue card, well the outrage would be off the scale.

give it a rest

Looks like we have a new contender for the weird comment competion.

Put me down in the column who thinks it’s a ridiculous idea that they need a blue card.

If the role actually meant going to schools and giving lectures and such, then fair enough; if the role is driving around in a truck and spraying water at shit then WTF.

PermeateFree said:

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

If you have plenty of contact with children it is because you want to and if so, no wonder they think you should have a blue card.

Your response does not appear to address the questions.

Don’t want to get entangled in your slime.

You don’t want people in a position of trust to get checked for a history of child sexual offenses, and you don’t want to answer questions about why not. Alrighty then.

sibeen said:

Put me down in the column who thinks it’s a ridiculous idea that they need a blue card.

I suppose they have legal considerations but I hope they’ve taken into account the risks.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Looks like we have a new contender for the weird comment competion.

Ah hum… the spell checker on this new phone’s chrome is terrible.

Peak Warming Man said:

Of course if Scomo had decreed that all volunteer fire fighters had to have a blue card, well the outrage would be off the scale.
It would be a terrible slur on all of these brave men and women who go out to put their lives at risk, leave their families to protect us all, it’s outrageous that they should be forced to get a blue card to prove they aren’t paedophiles. The ABC and the Guardian would go absolutely bananas in their condemnation.
And this place would find plenty of more arguments to condemn Morrison for such an utter act of bastardary.
All semblance of objective analysis would go out the window like it usually does.

Ive never heard of the blue card before.

Do catholic priests and christian brothers get issued with a blue card ?

Peak Warming Man said:

Of course if Scomo had decreed that all volunteer fire fighters had to have a blue card, well the outrage would be off the scale.
It would be a terrible slur on all of these brave men and women who go out to put their lives at risk, leave their families to protect us all, it’s outrageous that they should be forced to get a blue card to prove they aren’t paedophiles. The ABC and the Guardian would go absolutely bananas in their condemnation.
And this place would find plenty of more arguments to condemn Morrison for such an utter act of bastardary.
All semblance of objective analysis would go out the window like it usually does.

Scomo wouldn’t decree that. Scomo would sip his Daquiri and kick the Hawaiian boy for falling asleep while fanning.

Do they have other coloured cards ?

sibeen said:

Put me down in the column who thinks it’s a ridiculous idea that they need a blue card.

If the role actually meant going to schools and giving lectures and such, then fair enough; if the role is driving around in a truck and spraying water at shit then WTF.

The role potentially includes solo contact with you children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC0IgwmsRSE

We Go Together – Boris Johnson & Donald Trump

Are we required to stay away from people with blue cards?

Ive never seen any?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are we required to stay away from people with blue cards?

No.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Looks like we have a new contender for the weird comment competion.

toss up between PF and PWM?

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

How strange, would not have thought bushfire fighting volunteers would encounter minors, although apparently anything can happen in Qld.

This is the list of offences the check covers. The only argument I can see is a Civil Liberties Vs Child Safety debate, and my personal position is right down the ‘Staunch’ end of the Civil Liberties discourse, but there’s no way I would argue for it in this context.

shrugs

If you have no involvement and highly unlikely to (in this case) encounter children during your engagement, it is just another erosion of civil liberties. If you don’t mind, then I don’t care what you or the other voluntary firefighters do. However to volunteer your services in Qld has a lot of unnecessary conditions attached to it.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Put me down in the column who thinks it’s a ridiculous idea that they need a blue card.

If the role actually meant going to schools and giving lectures and such, then fair enough; if the role is driving around in a truck and spraying water at shit then WTF.

The role potentially includes solo contact with you children.

Police and ambos have far more contact with children that QFS, but they don’t need a blue card. I’m strongly in favour of protecting children, but it should be across the board, not just QFS.

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC0IgwmsRSE

We Go Together – Boris Johnson & Donald Trump

slick.

btm said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Put me down in the column who thinks it’s a ridiculous idea that they need a blue card.

If the role actually meant going to schools and giving lectures and such, then fair enough; if the role is driving around in a truck and spraying water at shit then WTF.

The role potentially includes solo contact with you children.

Police and ambos have far more contact with children that QFS, but they don’t need a blue card. I’m strongly in favour of protecting children, but it should be across the board, not just QFS.

To sporting clubs and things like that.

btm said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Put me down in the column who thinks it’s a ridiculous idea that they need a blue card.

If the role actually meant going to schools and giving lectures and such, then fair enough; if the role is driving around in a truck and spraying water at shit then WTF.

The role potentially includes solo contact with you children.

Police and ambos have far more contact with children that QFS, but they don’t need a blue card. I’m strongly in favour of protecting children, but it should be across the board, not just QFS.

I think you’ll find that police and ambos do need a blue card (what is a blue card? like a working with children check? )

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

Rule 303 said:

Your response does not appear to address the questions.

Don’t want to get entangled in your slime.

You don’t want people in a position of trust to get checked for a history of child sexual offenses, and you don’t want to answer questions about why not. Alrighty then.

You are obviously trying to make something out of nothing, which says a lot more about your integrity than mine. As has been stated, if all the volunteers are doing is fighting fires WTF has a blue card got to do with it?

btm said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Put me down in the column who thinks it’s a ridiculous idea that they need a blue card.

If the role actually meant going to schools and giving lectures and such, then fair enough; if the role is driving around in a truck and spraying water at shit then WTF.

The role potentially includes solo contact with you children.

Police and ambos have far more contact with children that QFS, but they don’t need a blue card. I’m strongly in favour of protecting children, but it should be across the board, not just QFS.

Pretty hard to comment on without knowing what other checks the police and amboes are subjected to. If I had to guess, I think any charge of any offense would be checked, not just convictions for some offenses.

Who gets the blue card?

People working with children

or the pedos

Arts said:

btm said:

Rule 303 said:

The role potentially includes solo contact with you children.

Police and ambos have far more contact with children that QFS, but they don’t need a blue card. I’m strongly in favour of protecting children, but it should be across the board, not just QFS.

I think you’ll find that police and ambos do need a blue card (what is a blue card? like a working with children check? )

Police and Ambos don’t need a Blue Card in Qld.

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/required/working-or-volunteering

Who doesn’t need a blue card

In certain circumstances, you won’t need a blue card, including:

working with a colleague who is under 18
volunteers under the age of 18
doing one-off or infrequent work
guest speaking at a school or event
working as a registered health practitioner
working as a Corrective Services officer
working as an Ambulance Service officer
working for the Queensland Police Service.

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Looks like we have a new contender for the weird comment competion.

toss up between PF and PWM?

The depth you willing to sink, knows no bounds.

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

This is interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

How strange, would not have thought bushfire fighting volunteers would encounter minors, although apparently anything can happen in Qld.

This is the list of offences the check covers. The only argument I can see is a Civil Liberties Vs Child Safety debate, and my personal position is right down the ‘Staunch’ end of the Civil Liberties discourse, but there’s no way I would argue for it in this context.

oh I see it covers more than just illegal child contact offences..

I hope the QFES will at least offer to do the admin and payment for the Blue card for volunteers. Who wants to pay $92 and mess around with a bunch of paperwork for the privilege of volunteering to fight fires?

I think I’m getting a bit grumpy in my dotage.

dv said:

Arts said:

btm said:

I think you’ll find that police and ambos do need a blue card (what is a blue card? like a working with children check? )

Police and Ambos don’t need a Blue Card in Qld.

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/required/working-or-volunteering

Who doesn’t need a blue card

In certain circumstances, you won’t need a blue card, including:

working with a colleague who is under 18
volunteers under the age of 18
doing one-off or infrequent work
guest speaking at a school or event
working as a registered health practitioner
working as a Corrective Services officer
working as an Ambulance Service officer
working for the Queensland Police Service.

I would think that the checks that corrective services/ambos and police undergo in totality of being employed would cover most of the blue card offences anyway, so getting one specifically would be redundant.

dv said:

I hope the QFES will at least offer to do the admin and payment for the Blue card for volunteers. Who wants to pay $92 and mess around with a bunch of paperwork for the privilege of volunteering to fight fires?

My work pays for my Police Clearance application, which btw I have to do next week.

PermeateFree said:

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t want to get entangled in your slime.

You don’t want people in a position of trust to get checked for a history of child sexual offenses, and you don’t want to answer questions about why not. Alrighty then.

You are obviously trying to make something out of nothing, which says a lot more about your integrity than mine. As has been stated, if all the volunteers are doing is fighting fires WTF has a blue card got to do with it?

They have potential to come into solo contact with children as part of their normal role.

dv said:

I think I’m getting a bit grumpy in my dotage.

nowt wrong with that.

dv said:

I hope the QFES will at least offer to do the admin and payment for the Blue card for volunteers. Who wants to pay $92 and mess around with a bunch of paperwork for the privilege of volunteering to fight fires?

Yes they will, apparently.

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

Rule 303 said:

You don’t want people in a position of trust to get checked for a history of child sexual offenses, and you don’t want to answer questions about why not. Alrighty then.

You are obviously trying to make something out of nothing, which says a lot more about your integrity than mine. As has been stated, if all the volunteers are doing is fighting fires WTF has a blue card got to do with it?

They have potential to come into solo contact with children as part of their normal role.

HOW?

as part of volunteering, when I did it, we gave talks at school etc.. here in WA, you couldn’t do that without a WWC .. which is similar to a blue card. its not all about front line stuff

what buffy posted

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/firefighters-queensland-volunteers-need-blue-cards/11917716

apply it to religious preachers too

and sporting clubs

no blue card

no access to children.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Who gets the blue card?

People working with children

or the pedos

dude, this is insensitive, and you know it. Look at the link that Rule posted.. the blue card covers many offences.

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

Rule 303 said:

You don’t want people in a position of trust to get checked for a history of child sexual offenses, and you don’t want to answer questions about why not. Alrighty then.

You are obviously trying to make something out of nothing, which says a lot more about your integrity than mine. As has been stated, if all the volunteers are doing is fighting fires WTF has a blue card got to do with it?

They have potential to come into solo contact with children as part of their normal role.

So that could easily be covered off by the “doing one-off or infrequent work” section then.

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/required/working-or-volunteering

I have no problem with the blue card idea.

I think its a good step in prevention.

Too much abuse going on.

Maybe follow it up with a domestic violence card ?

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

You are obviously trying to make something out of nothing, which says a lot more about your integrity than mine. As has been stated, if all the volunteers are doing is fighting fires WTF has a blue card got to do with it?

They have potential to come into solo contact with children as part of their normal role.

So that could easily be covered off by the “doing one-off or infrequent work” section then.

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/required/working-or-volunteering

If it were one-off or infrequent, yes.

Arts said:

as part of volunteering, when I did it, we gave talks at school etc.. here in WA, you couldn’t do that without a WWC .. which is similar to a blue card. its not all about front line stuff

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

They have potential to come into solo contact with children as part of their normal role.

So that could easily be covered off by the “doing one-off or infrequent work” section then.

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/required/working-or-volunteering

If it were one-off or infrequent, yes.

So for the vast majority of volunteer firefighters then.

Arts said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Who gets the blue card?

People working with children

or the pedos

dude, this is insensitive, and you know it. Look at the link that Rule posted.. the blue card covers many offences.

Ok

I have now read it

and I think it should apply to more people.

the costs are covered by the fire brigade

however the logic passes me

most bush fire volunteers work in the bush

they dont work with children

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

They have potential to come into solo contact with children as part of their normal role.

So that could easily be covered off by the “doing one-off or infrequent work” section then.

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/required/working-or-volunteering

If it were one-off or infrequent, yes.

Do you know anything about bushfires Rule? If so you would know that they are infrequent. I think you confuse professional firefighters that get paid to do it, with those that don’t.

note the beastiality clause.. maybe the it’s not children they are trying to protect.

Tau.Neutrino said:

however the logic passes me

most bush fire volunteers work in the bush

they dont work with children

I guess some do if they are doing door to door “get out messages”

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

as part of volunteering, when I did it, we gave talks at school etc.. here in WA, you couldn’t do that without a WWC .. which is similar to a blue card. its not all about front line stuff

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

I am simply relaying my experience as a volunteer when I also had a job and family.

Tau.Neutrino said:

however the logic passes me

most bush fire volunteers work in the bush

they dont work with children

Now you’re getting it.

Firefighters go to schools and public events to teach fire safety. They are around kids.

Btw I have a blue card. We have children’s events at the library, run by my writers group, so it was thought to be a good idea I get one.

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

as part of volunteering, when I did it, we gave talks at school etc.. here in WA, you couldn’t do that without a WWC .. which is similar to a blue card. its not all about front line stuff

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

Yeah they do. There’s even community education volunteers who specialise in it. You’re arguing pretty hard for a bloke who knows so little about the topic. Feel like you should fuck off and settle down for a while. Or just fuck off, I don’t care.

Arts said:

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

as part of volunteering, when I did it, we gave talks at school etc.. here in WA, you couldn’t do that without a WWC .. which is similar to a blue card. its not all about front line stuff

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

I am simply relaying my experience as a volunteer when I also had a job and family.

You fought fires did you?

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

So that could easily be covered off by the “doing one-off or infrequent work” section then.

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/required/working-or-volunteering

If it were one-off or infrequent, yes.

So for the vast majority of volunteer firefighters then.

So depends.

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

as part of volunteering, when I did it, we gave talks at school etc.. here in WA, you couldn’t do that without a WWC .. which is similar to a blue card. its not all about front line stuff

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

Oh, my mistake. The firefighters booked for my kid’s school in a fortnight must be fakes. Rightyo then, thanks for clearing that up.

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

as part of volunteering, when I did it, we gave talks at school etc.. here in WA, you couldn’t do that without a WWC .. which is similar to a blue card. its not all about front line stuff

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

Yeah they do. There’s even community education volunteers who specialise in it. You’re arguing pretty hard for a bloke who knows so little about the topic. Feel like you should fuck off and settle down for a while. Or just fuck off, I don’t care.

blink

Hold on, there are specialists who actually deal with the kiddies? So not infrequent for these people, make them get a blue card, no issues. For the bloke who sprays water at shit it’s ridiculous.

Divine Angel said:

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

as part of volunteering, when I did it, we gave talks at school etc.. here in WA, you couldn’t do that without a WWC .. which is similar to a blue card. its not all about front line stuff

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

Oh, my mistake. The firefighters booked for my kid’s school in a fortnight must be fakes. Rightyo then, thanks for clearing that up.

Realistically, they may be paid personnel doing the school talks. I don’t know how it works in QLD. Is there the same two level (paid and unpaid) that we have in Victoria?

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

PermeateFree said:

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

I am simply relaying my experience as a volunteer when I also had a job and family.

You fought fires did you?

this was my unit.. note it says forth point down.

http://www.gosnellsbfb.org.au

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

Yeah they do. There’s even community education volunteers who specialise in it. You’re arguing pretty hard for a bloke who knows so little about the topic. Feel like you should fuck off and settle down for a while. Or just fuck off, I don’t care.

blink

Hold on, there are specialists who actually deal with the kiddies? So not infrequent for these people, make them get a blue card, no issues. For the bloke who sprays water at shit it’s ridiculous.

IAWS.

Divine Angel said:

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

as part of volunteering, when I did it, we gave talks at school etc.. here in WA, you couldn’t do that without a WWC .. which is similar to a blue card. its not all about front line stuff

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

Oh, my mistake. The firefighters booked for my kid’s school in a fortnight must be fakes. Rightyo then, thanks for clearing that up.

Fair chance those would be professional fire fighters, DA.

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

however the logic passes me

most bush fire volunteers work in the bush

they dont work with children

Now you’re getting it.

The percentage of fire fighters in contact with children would be small, most would be with parents, some would be on their own, or with siblings.

Are there cases involved, its not something we hear about.

I think my lamb and rosemary pie is almost ready. I’d better put some salad on the plates.

It’s not all about child sex abuse:

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/eligible/disqualifying-offences
List of disqualifying offences includes:
Possession of objectionable computer game
Possession of objectionable film

The definitions of these, per Sched 1 and Sched 2, are:

objectionable computer game—
(a)means a computer game, or an advertisement for a computer game, that—
(i)describes, depicts, expresses or otherwise deals with matters of sex, drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence, or revolting or abhorrent phenomena in a way that offends against standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults; or
(ii)depicts a person who is, or who looks like, a child under 16 years (whether the person is engaged in sexual activity or not) in a way likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult; or
(iii)promotes, incites or instructs in matters of crime or violence; or
(iv)for a computer game—is classified RC; or
(v)for an advertisement—is refused approval under the Commonwealth Act, section 29; but
(b)does not include a computer game that is classified, or if it were classified, would be classified, as an R 18+ computer game.

objectionable film means—
(a)a film classified X 18+ or RC; or
(b)a film that—
(i)is not classified, or has become unclassified under the Commonwealth Act; and
(ii)if it were classified, would be classified X 18+ or RC.

And:
“X 18+ films are restricted to adults. This classification is a special and legally-restricted category due to sexually explicit content including actual sexual intercourse or other sexual activity between consenting adults. X 18+ films are only available for sale or hire in the ACT and some parts of the NT.”

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

as part of volunteering, when I did it, we gave talks at school etc.. here in WA, you couldn’t do that without a WWC .. which is similar to a blue card. its not all about front line stuff

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

God knows what you’re getting all worked up about but it is very funny to watch.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Yeah they do. There’s even community education volunteers who specialise in it. You’re arguing pretty hard for a bloke who knows so little about the topic. Feel like you should fuck off and settle down for a while. Or just fuck off, I don’t care.

blink

Hold on, there are specialists who actually deal with the kiddies? So not infrequent for these people, make them get a blue card, no issues. For the bloke who sprays water at shit it’s ridiculous.

IAWS.

Irish Agricultural Wholesale Society?

Divine Angel said:

Firefighters go to schools and public events to teach fire safety. They are around kids.

Btw I have a blue card. We have children’s events at the library, run by my writers group, so it was thought to be a good idea I get one.

I, too, have one.

dv said:

It’s not all about child sex abuse:

that’s what I was trying to point out. thanks for the considered back up.

Divine Angel said:

Firefighters go to schools and public events to teach fire safety. They are around kids.

Btw I have a blue card. We have children’s events at the library, run by my writers group, so it was thought to be a good idea I get one.

The firefighters that would do that are more likely to be professional firefighters, not a local farmer with a business to run. If certain people did regularly visit schools in relation to their firefighting role then there is no problem for them needing a blue card. Their role at the school would then be that of an educator, not a firefighter.

dv said:

Divine Angel said:

Firefighters go to schools and public events to teach fire safety. They are around kids.

Btw I have a blue card. We have children’s events at the library, run by my writers group, so it was thought to be a good idea I get one.

I, too, have one.

I think all parents should have one.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Yeah they do. There’s even community education volunteers who specialise in it. You’re arguing pretty hard for a bloke who knows so little about the topic. Feel like you should fuck off and settle down for a while. Or just fuck off, I don’t care.

blink

Hold on, there are specialists who actually deal with the kiddies? So not infrequent for these people, make them get a blue card, no issues. For the bloke who sprays water at shit it’s ridiculous.

IAWS.

I’ll stick with my original assessment: I expect this is legal arse-covering, and I hope they’ve considered the risks.

Anyway.. another morning on the river…

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

blink

Hold on, there are specialists who actually deal with the kiddies? So not infrequent for these people, make them get a blue card, no issues. For the bloke who sprays water at shit it’s ridiculous.

IAWS.

Irish Agricultural Wholesale Society?

“I agree with sibeen”

I just couldn’t say it out loud or type it in full without great effort. Bastard, now look what you made me do.

sibeen said:

Divine Angel said:

PermeateFree said:

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

Oh, my mistake. The firefighters booked for my kid’s school in a fortnight must be fakes. Rightyo then, thanks for clearing that up.

Fair chance those would be professional fire fighters, DA.

That bloke on the tele that gives talks at schools, where his job is to drive a Hi Lux, does he have a WWC?

dv said:

It’s not all about child sex abuse:

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/eligible/disqualifying-offences
List of disqualifying offences includes:
Possession of objectionable computer game
Possession of objectionable film

The definitions of these, per Sched 1 and Sched 2, are:

objectionable computer game—
(a)means a computer game, or an advertisement for a computer game, that—
(i)describes, depicts, expresses or otherwise deals with matters of sex, drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence, or revolting or abhorrent phenomena in a way that offends against standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults; or
(ii)depicts a person who is, or who looks like, a child under 16 years (whether the person is engaged in sexual activity or not) in a way likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult; or
(iii)promotes, incites or instructs in matters of crime or violence; or
(iv)for a computer game—is classified RC; or
(v)for an advertisement—is refused approval under the Commonwealth Act, section 29; but
(b)does not include a computer game that is classified, or if it were classified, would be classified, as an R 18+ computer game.

objectionable film means—
(a)a film classified X 18+ or RC; or
(b)a film that—
(i)is not classified, or has become unclassified under the Commonwealth Act; and
(ii)if it were classified, would be classified X 18+ or RC.

And:
“X 18+ films are restricted to adults. This classification is a special and legally-restricted category due to sexually explicit content including actual sexual intercourse or other sexual activity between consenting adults. X 18+ films are only available for sale or hire in the ACT and some parts of the NT.”

Am I reading this correctly, anyone who owns a X18+ film is not eligible for a Blue Card?

sibeen said:

dv said:

It’s not all about child sex abuse:

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/eligible/disqualifying-offences
List of disqualifying offences includes:
Possession of objectionable computer game
Possession of objectionable film

The definitions of these, per Sched 1 and Sched 2, are:

objectionable computer game—
(a)means a computer game, or an advertisement for a computer game, that—
(i)describes, depicts, expresses or otherwise deals with matters of sex, drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence, or revolting or abhorrent phenomena in a way that offends against standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults; or
(ii)depicts a person who is, or who looks like, a child under 16 years (whether the person is engaged in sexual activity or not) in a way likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult; or
(iii)promotes, incites or instructs in matters of crime or violence; or
(iv)for a computer game—is classified RC; or
(v)for an advertisement—is refused approval under the Commonwealth Act, section 29; but
(b)does not include a computer game that is classified, or if it were classified, would be classified, as an R 18+ computer game.

objectionable film means—
(a)a film classified X 18+ or RC; or
(b)a film that—
(i)is not classified, or has become unclassified under the Commonwealth Act; and
(ii)if it were classified, would be classified X 18+ or RC.

And:
“X 18+ films are restricted to adults. This classification is a special and legally-restricted category due to sexually explicit content including actual sexual intercourse or other sexual activity between consenting adults. X 18+ films are only available for sale or hire in the ACT and some parts of the NT.”

Am I reading this correctly, anyone who owns a X18+ film is not eligible for a Blue Card?

dashing your dream of being a vollie?

Arts said:

Anyway.. another morning on the river…

Lubberly!

Arts said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

It’s not all about child sex abuse:

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/eligible/disqualifying-offences
List of disqualifying offences includes:
Possession of objectionable computer game
Possession of objectionable film

The definitions of these, per Sched 1 and Sched 2, are:

objectionable computer game—
(a)means a computer game, or an advertisement for a computer game, that—
(i)describes, depicts, expresses or otherwise deals with matters of sex, drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence, or revolting or abhorrent phenomena in a way that offends against standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults; or
(ii)depicts a person who is, or who looks like, a child under 16 years (whether the person is engaged in sexual activity or not) in a way likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult; or
(iii)promotes, incites or instructs in matters of crime or violence; or
(iv)for a computer game—is classified RC; or
(v)for an advertisement—is refused approval under the Commonwealth Act, section 29; but
(b)does not include a computer game that is classified, or if it were classified, would be classified, as an R 18+ computer game.

objectionable film means—
(a)a film classified X 18+ or RC; or
(b)a film that—
(i)is not classified, or has become unclassified under the Commonwealth Act; and
(ii)if it were classified, would be classified X 18+ or RC.

And:
“X 18+ films are restricted to adults. This classification is a special and legally-restricted category due to sexually explicit content including actual sexual intercourse or other sexual activity between consenting adults. X 18+ films are only available for sale or hire in the ACT and some parts of the NT.”

Am I reading this correctly, anyone who owns a X18+ film is not eligible for a Blue Card?

dashing your dream of being a vollie?

There’ll be three people left in the QFS.

ROFL.

Arts said:

Anyway.. another morning on the river…

How much did the paddle board set you back?

Arts said:

Anyway.. another morning on the river…

Is this a new hobby, or are you training for some paddling event?

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

as part of volunteering, when I did it, we gave talks at school etc.. here in WA, you couldn’t do that without a WWC .. which is similar to a blue card. its not all about front line stuff

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

Yeah they do. There’s even community education volunteers who specialise in it. You’re arguing pretty hard for a bloke who knows so little about the topic. Feel like you should fuck off and settle down for a while. Or just fuck off, I don’t care.

Look here fuckwit, I don’t live in a city, I live in the country and am probably more aware of the people who volunteer to fight fires than you. Going on your comments I think you lack life experience.

>>>Retired builder Ian Swadling has been a rural firefighter for 30 years, but said he was one of several who would rather hang up his yellow jacket than undergo the check.

Kind of defeats the intention of joining the fire bridge doesn’t it?

Which is to to help the local community put out fires.

Not to worry over an abuse prevention check which helps the community.

party_pants said:

Arts said:

Anyway.. another morning on the river…

Is this a new hobby, or are you training for some paddling event?

Arts? With a new hobby?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Arts said:

Anyway.. another morning on the river…

How much did the paddle board set you back?

kayak… and I got an entry level at $400 paddle incl.

sibeen said:

dv said:

It’s not all about child sex abuse:

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/eligible/disqualifying-offences
List of disqualifying offences includes:
Possession of objectionable computer game
Possession of objectionable film

The definitions of these, per Sched 1 and Sched 2, are:

objectionable computer game—
(a)means a computer game, or an advertisement for a computer game, that—
(i)describes, depicts, expresses or otherwise deals with matters of sex, drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence, or revolting or abhorrent phenomena in a way that offends against standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults; or
(ii)depicts a person who is, or who looks like, a child under 16 years (whether the person is engaged in sexual activity or not) in a way likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult; or
(iii)promotes, incites or instructs in matters of crime or violence; or
(iv)for a computer game—is classified RC; or
(v)for an advertisement—is refused approval under the Commonwealth Act, section 29; but
(b)does not include a computer game that is classified, or if it were classified, would be classified, as an R 18+ computer game.

objectionable film means—
(a)a film classified X 18+ or RC; or
(b)a film that—
(i)is not classified, or has become unclassified under the Commonwealth Act; and
(ii)if it were classified, would be classified X 18+ or RC.

And:
“X 18+ films are restricted to adults. This classification is a special and legally-restricted category due to sexually explicit content including actual sexual intercourse or other sexual activity between consenting adults. X 18+ films are only available for sale or hire in the ACT and some parts of the NT.”

Am I reading this correctly, anyone who owns a X18+ film is not eligible for a Blue Card?

No. Being convicted of displaying them to children excludes you from a blue card.

Arts said:

Anyway.. another morning on the river…

*likes once again.

party_pants said:

Arts said:

Anyway.. another morning on the river…

Is this a new hobby, or are you training for some paddling event?

just enjoying being out there at before sunrise with the added benefit of exercise.. I usually am out for about an hour.. today I did that plus a 10km walk with the dog so I am well up on the exercise front for the weekend.

Arts said:

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

I am simply relaying my experience as a volunteer when I also had a job and family.

You fought fires did you?

this was my unit.. note it says forth point down.

http://www.gosnellsbfb.org.au

I repeat! Did you personally fight fires? Bet you didn’t!

PermeateFree said:

Rule 303 said:

PermeateFree said:

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

Yeah they do. There’s even community education volunteers who specialise in it. You’re arguing pretty hard for a bloke who knows so little about the topic. Feel like you should fuck off and settle down for a while. Or just fuck off, I don’t care.

Look here fuckwit, I don’t live in a city, I live in the country and am probably more aware of the people who volunteer to fight fires than you. Going on your comments I think you lack life experience.

Ahem.

Say..what?

Arts said:

Anyway.. another morning on the river…

Very Nice.

sibeen said:

dv said:

It’s not all about child sex abuse:

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/eligible/disqualifying-offences
List of disqualifying offences includes:
Possession of objectionable computer game
Possession of objectionable film

The definitions of these, per Sched 1 and Sched 2, are:

objectionable computer game—
(a)means a computer game, or an advertisement for a computer game, that—
(i)describes, depicts, expresses or otherwise deals with matters of sex, drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence, or revolting or abhorrent phenomena in a way that offends against standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults; or
(ii)depicts a person who is, or who looks like, a child under 16 years (whether the person is engaged in sexual activity or not) in a way likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult; or
(iii)promotes, incites or instructs in matters of crime or violence; or
(iv)for a computer game—is classified RC; or
(v)for an advertisement—is refused approval under the Commonwealth Act, section 29; but
(b)does not include a computer game that is classified, or if it were classified, would be classified, as an R 18+ computer game.

objectionable film means—
(a)a film classified X 18+ or RC; or
(b)a film that—
(i)is not classified, or has become unclassified under the Commonwealth Act; and
(ii)if it were classified, would be classified X 18+ or RC.

And:
“X 18+ films are restricted to adults. This classification is a special and legally-restricted category due to sexually explicit content including actual sexual intercourse or other sexual activity between consenting adults. X 18+ films are only available for sale or hire in the ACT and some parts of the NT.”

Am I reading this correctly, anyone who owns a X18+ film is not eligible for a Blue Card?

It just says “possession”, Beeny Boy. Not “exceeded their internet quota on porno sites”. Your metadata can tell them all sorts of things.

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

Rule 303 said:

Yeah they do. There’s even community education volunteers who specialise in it. You’re arguing pretty hard for a bloke who knows so little about the topic. Feel like you should fuck off and settle down for a while. Or just fuck off, I don’t care.

Look here fuckwit, I don’t live in a city, I live in the country and am probably more aware of the people who volunteer to fight fires than you. Going on your comments I think you lack life experience.

Ahem.

Say..what?

yeah, I am going back to not clicking..

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

It’s not all about child sex abuse:

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/eligible/disqualifying-offences
List of disqualifying offences includes:
Possession of objectionable computer game
Possession of objectionable film

The definitions of these, per Sched 1 and Sched 2, are:

objectionable computer game—
(a)means a computer game, or an advertisement for a computer game, that—
(i)describes, depicts, expresses or otherwise deals with matters of sex, drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence, or revolting or abhorrent phenomena in a way that offends against standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults; or
(ii)depicts a person who is, or who looks like, a child under 16 years (whether the person is engaged in sexual activity or not) in a way likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult; or
(iii)promotes, incites or instructs in matters of crime or violence; or
(iv)for a computer game—is classified RC; or
(v)for an advertisement—is refused approval under the Commonwealth Act, section 29; but
(b)does not include a computer game that is classified, or if it were classified, would be classified, as an R 18+ computer game.

objectionable film means—
(a)a film classified X 18+ or RC; or
(b)a film that—
(i)is not classified, or has become unclassified under the Commonwealth Act; and
(ii)if it were classified, would be classified X 18+ or RC.

And:
“X 18+ films are restricted to adults. This classification is a special and legally-restricted category due to sexually explicit content including actual sexual intercourse or other sexual activity between consenting adults. X 18+ films are only available for sale or hire in the ACT and some parts of the NT.”

Am I reading this correctly, anyone who owns a X18+ film is not eligible for a Blue Card?

No. Being convicted of displaying them to children excludes you from a blue card.

Not according to that website. Under the Classification of Films Act 1991 you’re fucked if you own an X rated film. No blue card for you.

Arts said:

party_pants said:

Arts said:

Anyway.. another morning on the river…

Is this a new hobby, or are you training for some paddling event?

just enjoying being out there at before sunrise with the added benefit of exercise.. I usually am out for about an hour.. today I did that plus a 10km walk with the dog so I am well up on the exercise front for the weekend.

I’m glad you did that – I did no exercise at all today. Quite unusual, I know, but there it is. I skipped stretches, weights and even mowing.

;)

A song made entirely of PUNS
MALINDA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtqBt3RbZfs

——

oh. It could be better.

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

as part of volunteering, when I did it, we gave talks at school etc.. here in WA, you couldn’t do that without a WWC .. which is similar to a blue card. its not all about front line stuff

Volunteer firefighters are just ordinary people usually with a job and family. THEY DO NOT give talks at schools!

God knows what you’re getting all worked up about but it is very funny to watch.

No its just the disappointment of some who never seem to learn anything from what they might read. Tragic really, but probably why we are where we are…..fucked!

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

Look here fuckwit, I don’t live in a city, I live in the country and am probably more aware of the people who volunteer to fight fires than you. Going on your comments I think you lack life experience.

Ahem.

Say..what?

yeah, I am going back to not clicking..

obviously doesn’t know what rule does.

And this lamb and rosemary pie is absolutely delicious.

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Ahem.

Say..what?

yeah, I am going back to not clicking..

obviously doesn’t know what rule does.

You too lack life experience.

Arts said:

dv said:

It’s not all about child sex abuse:

that’s what I was trying to point out. thanks for the considered back up.

Makes having an Australia Card seem pretty lame. Wonders why they threw it out.

Arts said:

dv said:

It’s not all about child sex abuse:

that’s what I was trying to point out. thanks for the considered back up.

Near as I can tell, you are not eligible for a Blue Card if you’ve been convicted of possessing an X18+ film outside of NT or ACT. An X18+ film basically means pornography: explicit film of adults having sex.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

IAWS.

Irish Agricultural Wholesale Society?

“I agree with sibeen”

I just couldn’t say it out loud or type it in full without great effort. Bastard, now look what you made me do.

I just think this should be pointed out to Boris.

Arts said:

Anyway.. another morning on the river…

Very nice

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Ahem.

Say..what?

yeah, I am going back to not clicking..

obviously doesn’t know what rule does.

Seemingly.

Witty Rejoinder said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

yeah, I am going back to not clicking..

obviously doesn’t know what rule does.

You too lack life experience.

lucky i have a few more years to work on it. i’ll get there.

dv said:

Arts said:

dv said:

It’s not all about child sex abuse:

that’s what I was trying to point out. thanks for the considered back up.

Near as I can tell, you are not eligible for a Blue Card if you’ve been convicted of possessing an X18+ film outside of NT or ACT. An X18+ film basically means pornography: explicit film of adults having sex.

Going to a prostitute also disbars you, from what I can tell.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

It’s not all about child sex abuse:

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/regulated-industries-and-licensing/blue-card/eligible/disqualifying-offences
List of disqualifying offences includes:
Possession of objectionable computer game
Possession of objectionable film

The definitions of these, per Sched 1 and Sched 2, are:

objectionable computer game—
(a)means a computer game, or an advertisement for a computer game, that—
(i)describes, depicts, expresses or otherwise deals with matters of sex, drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence, or revolting or abhorrent phenomena in a way that offends against standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults; or
(ii)depicts a person who is, or who looks like, a child under 16 years (whether the person is engaged in sexual activity or not) in a way likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult; or
(iii)promotes, incites or instructs in matters of crime or violence; or
(iv)for a computer game—is classified RC; or
(v)for an advertisement—is refused approval under the Commonwealth Act, section 29; but
(b)does not include a computer game that is classified, or if it were classified, would be classified, as an R 18+ computer game.

objectionable film means—
(a)a film classified X 18+ or RC; or
(b)a film that—
(i)is not classified, or has become unclassified under the Commonwealth Act; and
(ii)if it were classified, would be classified X 18+ or RC.

And:
“X 18+ films are restricted to adults. This classification is a special and legally-restricted category due to sexually explicit content including actual sexual intercourse or other sexual activity between consenting adults. X 18+ films are only available for sale or hire in the ACT and some parts of the NT.”

Am I reading this correctly, anyone who owns a X18+ film is not eligible for a Blue Card?

No. Being convicted of displaying them to children excludes you from a blue card.

That’s not what the law says. Being convicted of possessing such a film is also disqualifying.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Irish Agricultural Wholesale Society?

“I agree with sibeen”

I just couldn’t say it out loud or type it in full without great effort. Bastard, now look what you made me do.

I just think this should be pointed out to Boris.

hell will freeze over before those words ever leave my lips, or fingers type them then click the left mouse button to submit comment.

Sporting people and religious people would have more contact with children than volunteer fire fighters.

Queensland laws never make sense anyway.!

Its the humidify and the heat I think.

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

Look here fuckwit, I don’t live in a city, I live in the country and am probably more aware of the people who volunteer to fight fires than you. Going on your comments I think you lack life experience.

Ahem.

Say..what?

yeah, I am going back to not clicking..

I’ll be so disappointed.

buffy said:

And this lamb and rosemary pie is absolutely delicious.

Always a silver lining

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Irish Agricultural Wholesale Society?

“I agree with sibeen”

I just couldn’t say it out loud or type it in full without great effort. Bastard, now look what you made me do.

I just think this should be pointed out to Boris.

I did just assume the S stood for something else

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Am I reading this correctly, anyone who owns a X18+ film is not eligible for a Blue Card?

No. Being convicted of displaying them to children excludes you from a blue card.

Not according to that website. Under the Classification of Films Act 1991 you’re fucked if you own an X rated film. No blue card for you.

Ahh, sorry, yes. Unless you’re in one of the Territories, X-rated films are illegal.

Seems as though the law needs an update. Would many people think that adults owning pornography should be illegal?

dv said:

Arts said:

Anyway.. another morning on the river…

Very nice

I am trying to get different views, so this morning I went under canning bridge.. it was a little scary because there is only one section that one can travel through and all the power vehicles also use it.. I had to give way a bit being a Saturday morning. But Also, I didn’t know that the bridge itself has some amazing artworks on the pylons… I will endeavour to take some photos of that next week. (Wind is up for the next few days, I think Thursday might be my next day out on the water)

Witty Rejoinder said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

yeah, I am going back to not clicking..

obviously doesn’t know what rule does.

You too lack life experience.

I just go on the conversations here, pretty dumb some of them especially regarding experience. Could be too many armchair experts.

dv said:

Seems as though the law needs an update. Would many people think that adults owning pornography should be illegal?

I’ve never heard of it being enforced. They’re widely available in Adult shops.

Tau.Neutrino said:

>>>Retired builder Ian Swadling has been a rural firefighter for 30 years, but said he was one of several who would rather hang up his yellow jacket than undergo the check.

Kind of defeats the intention of joining the fire bridge doesn’t it?

Which is to to help the local community put out fires.

Not to worry over an abuse prevention check which helps the community.

Fire fighting helps the community

Abuse checks help the community

So going against the original intention of helping the community does not make sense.

And Federal Politicians in Queensland are using these laws to discriminate

Apply it to all people in contact with children

Or don’t them at all

Bugger your discrimination

Im going to listen to some music

Rule 303 said:

I’ve never heard of it being enforced.

That’s all the more reason to remove the law. Laws that are rarely enforced allow the possibility for oppressive behaviour or blackmail of people engaging in activity considered normal.

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

I’ve never heard of it being enforced.

That’s all the more reason to remove the law. Laws that are rarely enforced allow the possibility for oppressive behaviour or blackmail of people engaging in activity considered normal.

Or even the erosion of civil liberties.

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

buffy said:

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

Perhaps not large enough. With the people coming from Wuhan there’s a reasonable chance that they may require some form of treatment.

buffy said:

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

Probably not equipped for 200 quarantine patients though.

buffy said:

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

The old one may have been dismantled and removed already perhaps. I don’t imagine any of the stuff in them is cheap. Might have been more needed or better used somewhere else once the camp was empty, or nearly empty.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

Perhaps not large enough. With the people coming from Wuhan there’s a reasonable chance that they may require some form of treatment.

It’s a cold. You only need a bed, some honey and some lemon juice. And some time.

AwesomeO said:

buffy said:

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

Probably not equipped for 200 quarantine patients though.

They aren’t patients. They are just isolated for 2 weeks to see if they exhibit symptoms.

buffy said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

Perhaps not large enough. With the people coming from Wuhan there’s a reasonable chance that they may require some form of treatment.

It’s a cold. You only need a bed, some honey and some lemon juice. And some time.

it’s such a shame you were never a parent.

They are talking about potentially 200 people. I imagine the media has got the wrong end of the stick a bit and instead of a hospital we are talking about beds for 200 where they can be monitored and any that show sickness go on to further treatment.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

The old one may have been dismantled and removed already perhaps. I don’t imagine any of the stuff in them is cheap. Might have been more needed or better used somewhere else once the camp was empty, or nearly empty.

But they opened up the facility last year, and we have ascertained that the family are still there. So the thing is, apparently functioning normally.

buffy said:

AwesomeO said:

buffy said:

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

Probably not equipped for 200 quarantine patients though.

They aren’t patients. They are just isolated for 2 weeks to see if they exhibit symptoms.

Snap I just addressed that.

AwesomeO said:

They are talking about potentially 200 people. I imagine the media has got the wrong end of the stick a bit and instead of a hospital we are talking about beds for 200 where they can be monitored and any that show sickness go on to further treatment.

No, it was a medical team, pictures on the news of them messing about with equipment at the airport. The simple accommodation is a separate issue. I don’t know how many people they think are going to actually come down with this thing.

Arts said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Perhaps not large enough. With the people coming from Wuhan there’s a reasonable chance that they may require some form of treatment.

It’s a cold. You only need a bed, some honey and some lemon juice. And some time.

it’s such a shame you were never a parent.

ROFL

buffy said:

party_pants said:

buffy said:

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

The old one may have been dismantled and removed already perhaps. I don’t imagine any of the stuff in them is cheap. Might have been more needed or better used somewhere else once the camp was empty, or nearly empty.

But they opened up the facility last year, and we have ascertained that the family are still there. So the thing is, apparently functioning normally.

If there is only one family there they don’t need a hospital. Just a GP would do, and they can be flown to Singapore or Taiwan or whatever it is we do now if they need to go to a proper hospital.

buffy said:

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

Now I mean technically that isn’t a question.

buffy said:

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

You don’t want a bunch of potential infected in your normal hospital…

It’s still only a 2% mortality rate, and that is of the reported cases. It is likely a lower rate (according to stuff we heard on the radio today) because not everyone will have sought attention.

The infectious diseases bloke on the radio basically said it’s like normal flu, in terms of deathliness.

buffy said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

Perhaps not large enough. With the people coming from Wuhan there’s a reasonable chance that they may require some form of treatment.

It’s a cold. You only need a bed, some honey and some lemon juice. And some time.

Seriously?

buffy said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

I’ve got a question. The news says a medical team is going to set up a field hospital on Christmas Island for the people brought from China. I don’t understand. There must be a hospital in the compound.

Perhaps not large enough. With the people coming from Wuhan there’s a reasonable chance that they may require some form of treatment.

It’s a cold. You only need a bed, some honey and some lemon juice. And some time.

Would they have full Quarantine areas? Because they would need their own buildings, power supply, air conditioning, bathroom and toilets, laundry, kitchen, eating areas, recreation area, de-contamination area, solid and liquid waste management, and so on.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Perhaps not large enough. With the people coming from Wuhan there’s a reasonable chance that they may require some form of treatment.

It’s a cold. You only need a bed, some honey and some lemon juice. And some time.

Seriously?

See my last post.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Perhaps not large enough. With the people coming from Wuhan there’s a reasonable chance that they may require some form of treatment.

It’s a cold. You only need a bed, some honey and some lemon juice. And some time.

Would they have full Quarantine areas? Because they would need their own buildings, power supply, air conditioning, bathroom and toilets, laundry, kitchen, eating areas, recreation area, de-contamination area, solid and liquid waste management, and so on.

They called it a field hospital.

AwesomeO said:

They are talking about potentially 200 people. I imagine the media has got the wrong end of the stick a bit and instead of a hospital we are talking about beds for 200 where they can be monitored and any that show sickness go on to further treatment.

You wouldn’t want people catching the virus from each other in your quarantine.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

It’s a cold. You only need a bed, some honey and some lemon juice. And some time.

Would they have full Quarantine areas? Because they would need their own buildings, power supply, air conditioning, bathroom and toilets, laundry, kitchen, eating areas, recreation area, de-contamination area, solid and liquid waste management, and so on.

They called it a field hospital.

That’s Army speak. Most people call it a tent.

:)

Rule 303 said:

AwesomeO said:

They are talking about potentially 200 people. I imagine the media has got the wrong end of the stick a bit and instead of a hospital we are talking about beds for 200 where they can be monitored and any that show sickness go on to further treatment.

You wouldn’t want people catching the virus from each other in your quarantine.

You are going to put each one into isolation? I rather doubt that is the plan.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Would they have full Quarantine areas? Because they would need their own buildings, power supply, air conditioning, bathroom and toilets, laundry, kitchen, eating areas, recreation area, de-contamination area, solid and liquid waste management, and so on.

They called it a field hospital.

That’s Army speak. Most people call it a tent.

:)

I thought that too.

:)

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

It’s a cold. You only need a bed, some honey and some lemon juice. And some time.

Seriously?

See my last post.

The Spanish ‘flu had mortality of 2.5%. You’ve been misinformed.

buffy said:

It’s still only a 2% mortality rate, and that is of the reported cases. It is likely a lower rate (according to stuff we heard on the radio today) because not everyone will have sought attention.

The infectious diseases bloke on the radio basically said it’s like normal flu, in terms of deathliness.

Previously you said it was a cold.

Now you are saying it is influenza.

And it’s taking so long they will all have done 2 weeks before anything actually happens.

dv said:

buffy said:

It’s still only a 2% mortality rate, and that is of the reported cases. It is likely a lower rate (according to stuff we heard on the radio today) because not everyone will have sought attention.

The infectious diseases bloke on the radio basically said it’s like normal flu, in terms of deathliness.

Previously you said it was a cold.

Now you are saying it is influenza.

“Like” normal flu. It was a way of saying you don’t need to panic quite as much as is happening.

must have some sort of creeping neurosis today, things seem loud, and annoying, chook’s out there pecking crumbs or whatever off the paver sounds loud, lady chewing sounds like an avalanche, and my coffee tastes like a toilet smells, two coffees in row couldn’t drink them

and sore head, suggesting a head cold

and mildly grumpy, noticed lady has been too

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Seriously?

See my last post.

The Spanish ‘flu had mortality of 2.5%. You’ve been misinformed.

Wait another site says differently. SF was 10% but the 1960s and 70s pandemics were .1%. Hope that’s right. I’m juggling windows on my phone.

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

It’s still only a 2% mortality rate, and that is of the reported cases. It is likely a lower rate (according to stuff we heard on the radio today) because not everyone will have sought attention.

The infectious diseases bloke on the radio basically said it’s like normal flu, in terms of deathliness.

Previously you said it was a cold.

Now you are saying it is influenza.

“Like” normal flu. It was a way of saying you don’t need to panic quite as much as is happening.

If it is “like” normal influenza then it is not, in your words, a cold.

Anyway, I’m going to watch Vera.

(Has anyone else noticed how ScoMo is suddenly the Great Protector of his country? Feels like misdirection is going on. Sports grants? Nah. Don’t worry about them.)

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

It’s still only a 2% mortality rate, and that is of the reported cases. It is likely a lower rate (according to stuff we heard on the radio today) because not everyone will have sought attention.

The infectious diseases bloke on the radio basically said it’s like normal flu, in terms of deathliness.

Previously you said it was a cold.

Now you are saying it is influenza.

“Like” normal flu. It was a way of saying you don’t need to panic quite as much as is happening.

You panic at the sight of a doctor.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

AwesomeO said:

They are talking about potentially 200 people. I imagine the media has got the wrong end of the stick a bit and instead of a hospital we are talking about beds for 200 where they can be monitored and any that show sickness go on to further treatment.

You wouldn’t want people catching the virus from each other in your quarantine.

You are going to put each one into isolation? I rather doubt that is the plan.

I don’t know what the Vic Pandemic health response plan says about emergency accomodation, and I can’t be bothered looking it up, but I suspect we’d put them in a base camp like this:

I’ve been setting up and managing the base camps for the Vic firefighters for the last few weeks. Unless the people were really sick, that’s all they would need.

>>Mortality of the Spanish Flu Pandemic. The global mortality rate from the 1918/1919 pandemic is not known, but it is estimated that 10% to 20% of those who were infected died. With about a third of the world population infected, this case-fatality ratio means that 3% to 6% of the entire global population died.<<

There you go Witty.
From: http://www.influenzavirusnet.com/1918-flu-pandemic/mortality.html

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

You wouldn’t want people catching the virus from each other in your quarantine.

You are going to put each one into isolation? I rather doubt that is the plan.

I don’t know what the Vic Pandemic health response plan says about emergency accomodation, and I can’t be bothered looking it up, but I suspect we’d put them in a base camp like this:

I’ve been setting up and managing the base camps for the Vic firefighters for the last few weeks. Unless the people were really sick, that’s all they would need.

And they all have to sit in their own tent for 2 weeks?

Wonder where the radio person go their stats from?

“So far the new virus has caused severe respiratory disease in about a quarter of patients and killed 2-3 per cent.

For comparison, seasonal flu has a mortality rate below 0.1 per cent”

poikilotherm said:

Wonder where the radio person go their stats from?

“So far the new virus has caused severe respiratory disease in about a quarter of patients and killed 2-3 per cent.

For comparison, seasonal flu has a mortality rate below 0.1 per cent”

Even if low, if it is very infectious and you end up dealing with large numbers it’s still a problem.

AwesomeO said:

poikilotherm said:

Wonder where the radio person go their stats from?

“So far the new virus has caused severe respiratory disease in about a quarter of patients and killed 2-3 per cent.

For comparison, seasonal flu has a mortality rate below 0.1 per cent”

Even if low, if it is very infectious and you end up dealing with large numbers it’s still a problem.

No shit.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

dv said:

Previously you said it was a cold.

Now you are saying it is influenza.

“Like” normal flu. It was a way of saying you don’t need to panic quite as much as is happening.

You panic at the sight of a doctor.

If the only reason you went to the doctor from the age of 20 was for a Pap smear, you too would have a learned response built into your psyche.

dv said:

Seems as though the law needs an update. Would many people think that adults owning pornography should be illegal?

Aborigines in the NT cannot access pornography that is made in Canberra.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

You are going to put each one into isolation? I rather doubt that is the plan.

I don’t know what the Vic Pandemic health response plan says about emergency accomodation, and I can’t be bothered looking it up, but I suspect we’d put them in a base camp like this:

I’ve been setting up and managing the base camps for the Vic firefighters for the last few weeks. Unless the people were really sick, that’s all they would need.

And they all have to sit in their own tent for 2 weeks?

Nah, there’s big Recreation facilities, but I suspect the medicoes would want solid cross-infection safety protocols in them. The camp above was the temporary home for 440 people, and the aim is to provide everything they’re likely to need.

poikilotherm said:

AwesomeO said:

poikilotherm said:

Wonder where the radio person go their stats from?

“So far the new virus has caused severe respiratory disease in about a quarter of patients and killed 2-3 per cent.

For comparison, seasonal flu has a mortality rate below 0.1 per cent”

Even if low, if it is very infectious and you end up dealing with large numbers it’s still a problem.

No shit.

No shit.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

You wouldn’t want people catching the virus from each other in your quarantine.

You are going to put each one into isolation? I rather doubt that is the plan.

I don’t know what the Vic Pandemic health response plan says about emergency accomodation, and I can’t be bothered looking it up, but I suspect we’d put them in a base camp like this:

I’ve been setting up and managing the base camps for the Vic firefighters for the last few weeks. Unless the people were really sick, that’s all they would need.

Did you put up all those tents?

AwesomeO said:

poikilotherm said:

AwesomeO said:

Even if low, if it is very infectious and you end up dealing with large numbers it’s still a problem.

No shit.

No shit.

Glad we cleared that up…

looks fun but how many sea creatures will it kill?

https://newatlas.com/marine/yamaha-hydrofoil-ou32-restoration/

poikilotherm said:

AwesomeO said:

poikilotherm said:

No shit.

No shit.

Glad we cleared that up…

Wait, wait… Was there shit or not?

poikilotherm said:

AwesomeO said:

poikilotherm said:

No shit.

No shit.

Glad we cleared that up…

no shit is easy to clear up, when the shit hits the fan that’s a whole lot of problems.

Rule 303 said:

poikilotherm said:

AwesomeO said:

No shit.

Glad we cleared that up…

Wait, wait… Was there shit or not?

Yea, the kind you step on when commenting on something else. Similar to fb…

Rule 303 said:

poikilotherm said:

AwesomeO said:

No shit.

Glad we cleared that up…

Wait, wait… Was there shit or not?

Hard to tell after its been cleared up..

According to the book “1819 Dictionary of Criminal Slang – and other impolite terms as used by the Convicts of the British Colonies of Australia”, a publication often hailed as The First Dictionary of Australia, the entry of ARM-PITS: to work under under the arm-pits, is to practice only such kind of depredation, as will amount, upon conviction, to what the law terms single, or petty, larceny; the extent of punishment for which is transportation for seven years. by following this system, a thief avoids the halter, which certainly is applied above the armpits.

• petty larceny is stealing good worth less than a shilling (about $30 000 in todays money**)

**I may have made that up

poikilotherm said:

Rule 303 said:

poikilotherm said:

Glad we cleared that up…

Wait, wait… Was there shit or not?

Yea, the kind you step on when commenting on something else. Similar to fb…

Eh? In the discussion about mortality I was just commenting that infection rates is a part of the equation and equally important if you are talking about mass deaths even with low individual mortalities. Don’t know why your got so snooty over that.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

“Like” normal flu. It was a way of saying you don’t need to panic quite as much as is happening.

You panic at the sight of a doctor.

If the only reason you went to the doctor from the age of 20 was for a Pap smear, you too would have a learned response built into your psyche.

Maybe so but i’d imagine that the entire female half of the population does not have white coat syndrome. I’d expect its is also coloured by your own peculiar attitude towards illness and death that you’ve probably had from a young age before your first pap smear.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/01/23/vladimir-putin-wants-to-rehabilitate-stalins-pact-with-hitler

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/01/23/vladimir-putin-wants-to-rehabilitate-stalins-pact-with-hitler

Trying to retroactively explain his friendship with Trump

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/01/23/vladimir-putin-wants-to-rehabilitate-stalins-pact-with-hitler

Well, it made sense for both Hitler and Stalin at the time.

It was a agreement that was cynical in the extreme on both sides, but it wasn’t illegal, and it served their purposes.

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/01/23/vladimir-putin-wants-to-rehabilitate-stalins-pact-with-hitler

I suggest he forgets about it and to move on.

Biden is 9% ahead of Trump in the head-to-head Fox Poll, which should be enough to overcome the “vigorish” in the Electoral College, if indeed a) he’s the nominee and b) this level holds and c) there’s not a significant polling error.

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/01/23/vladimir-putin-wants-to-rehabilitate-stalins-pact-with-hitler

quick summary? I can’t read the whole article without a subscription.