there, I’ve done it.

have away

if you’re bothered by the spelling, start your own

party_pants said:

there, I’ve done it.

have away

Thank you.
A thread I can happily ignore.

party_pants said:

if you’re bothered by the spelling, start your own

no no we’re glad you put your stamp on it

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

if you’re bothered by the spelling, start your own

no no we’re glad you put your stamp on it

it may just be the traction this thread needs.

The Iowa caucus is underway. The caucuses are interesting in that they are not secret ballot. There are multiple rounds of voting which eliminate those who fail to meet the 15% threshold.

For the last few weeks the polling has had Biden and Sanders way out in front in the 25 to 28% range, while Warren and Buttigieg have been in the mid-teens.

About a third of the delegates that will be determined by all this come from the statewide vote. Two thirds come from district-wide votes (ie the set of votes coming from each of Iowa’s four congressional districts). This gives a bit of opportunity for, say, Klobuchar or Yang to pick up some delegates if they do well in some specific parts of the state.

The Democrats apply a 15% threshold in most of these contests. If no one gets 15% (not impossible when you have so many competitive candidates), they have means of divvying up the delegates among the leading candidates. But if one candidate gets 15% and several others get 14%, that one candidate gets all the delegates lol.

The first four caucuses/primaries are held roughly weekly, and they are Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina. After that, there is Super Tuesday, which involves about 15 states, including large ones such as California and Texas. I think Sanders will possibly win the first three, and Biden will win South Carolina: after that, Biden is ahead in the polls for most of the states. I also suspect that Biden will win the nomination: previously I was thinking that if Sanders dropped out early, most of those who would have voted for him in later contests would switch to Warren. However, since then, Sanders has established himself as the clear 2nd-favourite, and it is more likely that it will end up being between him and Biden. The recent bad blood between Warren and Sanders might make more of her supporters switch to Biden rather than Sanders.

But hey, shit happens. In 1992, Bill Clinton got about 3% of the vote in the Iowa caucus. He only won 1 out of the first 11 contests (which was Georgia). Then a few things went wrong for other candidates, and he did well in the South and Great Lakes states and ended up winning the nomination easily.

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

if you’re bothered by the spelling, start your own

no no we’re glad you put your stamp on it

it may just be the traction this thread needs.

JHFC!

:-)

There is a Republican caucus happening in Iowa as well, as Bill Weld and Joe Walsh are running for the nomination as well as Trump. However it is expected that at least 90% of the vote will be for Trump.

party_pants said:

if you’re bothered by the spelling, start your own

Also, even if this said “Thread”, I would consider that somewhat redundant. All of these are threads. There’s no need to specify. This could have simply said, US Election. I’m here to help.

dv said:

There is a Republican caucus happening in Iowa as well, as Bill Weld and Joe Walsh are running for the nomination as well as Trump. However it is expected that at least 90% of the vote will be for Trump.

Do the Reps actually hold a caucus?

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

no no we’re glad you put your stamp on it

it may just be the traction this thread needs.

JHFC!

:-)

Boris’s territory is a place angel’s fear to step on.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

There is a Republican caucus happening in Iowa as well, as Bill Weld and Joe Walsh are running for the nomination as well as Trump. However it is expected that at least 90% of the vote will be for Trump.

Do the Reps actually hold a caucus?

Yes, in most states. A few states have decided to opt out.

It is rare, but not unknown, for incumbent presidents to face significant primary challenges. George HW Bush had a bit of a scare from Pat Buchanan in 1992. In the end, Buchanan only obtained 23% of the vote in the Republican primaries, and Bush was the nominee.

party_pants said:

if you’re bothered by the spelling, start your own

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

There is a Republican caucus happening in Iowa as well, as Bill Weld and Joe Walsh are running for the nomination as well as Trump. However it is expected that at least 90% of the vote will be for Trump.

Do the Reps actually hold a caucus?

Yes, in most states. A few states have decided to opt out.

It is rare, but not unknown, for incumbent presidents to face significant primary challenges. George HW Bush had a bit of a scare from Pat Buchanan in 1992. In the end, Buchanan only obtained 23% of the vote in the Republican primaries, and Bush was the nominee.

I mean do they hold a caucus or do they just have a ballot?
On the Beeb last night they were talking to the bloke who is running the Dems Scottish caucus (yes they hold caucuses in several othe countries) and he intimated that the Reps just have a ballot.

furious said:

party_pants said:

if you’re bothered by the spelling, start your own

But you can thread on me.

https://politics.theonion.com/dnc-mulls-asking-donald-trump-to-run-as-democrat-in-eff-1841432132

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Do the Reps actually hold a caucus?

Yes, in most states. A few states have decided to opt out.

It is rare, but not unknown, for incumbent presidents to face significant primary challenges. George HW Bush had a bit of a scare from Pat Buchanan in 1992. In the end, Buchanan only obtained 23% of the vote in the Republican primaries, and Bush was the nominee.

I mean do they hold a caucus or do they just have a ballot?
On the Beeb last night they were talking to the bloke who is running the Dems Scottish caucus (yes they hold caucuses in several othe countries) and he intimated that the Reps just have a ballot.

The Republicans hold a caucus in Iowa.

Donald Trump has obtained 97% of the vote therein.

Trump all the way, need a man like him to kick all the do-gooders to the curb

The-Spectator said:

Trump all the way, need a man like him to kick all the do-gooders to the curb

Yes. Down with good.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Yes, in most states. A few states have decided to opt out.

It is rare, but not unknown, for incumbent presidents to face significant primary challenges. George HW Bush had a bit of a scare from Pat Buchanan in 1992. In the end, Buchanan only obtained 23% of the vote in the Republican primaries, and Bush was the nominee.

I mean do they hold a caucus or do they just have a ballot?
On the Beeb last night they were talking to the bloke who is running the Dems Scottish caucus (yes they hold caucuses in several othe countries) and he intimated that the Reps just have a ballot.

The Republicans hold a caucus in Iowa.

Donald Trump has obtained 97% of the vote therein.

“Unlike the Democrats, Republicans select their candidate via a simple secret ballot. There is no shuffling from one corner of the caucus site to the other. There is no 15 percent viability or realignment. And there’s no mathematical formula to determine delegates awarded at each caucus site.”

This is the difference that the dude on the beeb was alluding to.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I mean do they hold a caucus or do they just have a ballot?
On the Beeb last night they were talking to the bloke who is running the Dems Scottish caucus (yes they hold caucuses in several othe countries) and he intimated that the Reps just have a ballot.

The Republicans hold a caucus in Iowa.

Donald Trump has obtained 97% of the vote therein.

“Unlike the Democrats, Republicans select their candidate via a simple secret ballot. There is no shuffling from one corner of the caucus site to the other. There is no 15 percent viability or realignment. And there’s no mathematical formula to determine delegates awarded at each caucus site.”

This is the difference that the dude on the beeb was alluding to.

I see

dv said:

The-Spectator said:

Trump all the way, need a man like him to kick all the do-gooders to the curb

Yes. Down with good.

I ask you, what is wrong with doing good?

If one acts only or good?

By implying that doing good is bad does it mean you’d rather us do bad to be good?

dv said:

party_pants said:

if you’re bothered by the spelling, start your own

Also, even if this said “Thread”, I would consider that somewhat redundant. All of these are threads. There’s no need to specify. This could have simply said, US Election. I’m here to help.

Bloody do-gooder.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

The-Spectator said:

Trump all the way, need a man like him to kick all the do-gooders to the curb

Yes. Down with good.

I ask you, what is wrong with doing good?

If one acts only or good?

By implying that doing good is bad does it mean you’d rather us do bad to be good?

I don’t know, I’m just trying to get in with the new ethos.

They may not get the First Woman President

but the First Openly Gay candidate may just win
just like the First Black President on INTELLECT!

I’m good with that.

Sick to Death of STUPIT over the past 3 1/2 years!

Do-gooders have a detrimental effect on my share portfolio

The-Spectator said:

Do-gooders have a detrimental effect on my share portfolio

I’ll stab a few people just to fix your P/E

The-Spectator said:

Do-gooders have a detrimental effect on my share portfolio

Why, are you a dealer in lies?

quote=roughbarked]
The-Spectator said:

Do-gooders have a detrimental effect on my share portfolio

Why, are you a dealer in lies?

Global warming is the only lie

The-Spectator said:

quote=roughbarked]
The-Spectator said:

Do-gooders have a detrimental effect on my share portfolio

Why, are you a dealer in lies?

Global warming is the only lie

Groans.

The-Spectator said:

quote=roughbarked]
The-Spectator said:

Do-gooders have a detrimental effect on my share portfolio

Why, are you a dealer in lies?

Global warming is the only lie

That is for flat earthers.

roughbarked said:

The-Spectator said:

quote=roughbarked]
The-Spectator said:

Do-gooders have a detrimental effect on my share portfolio

Why, are you a dealer in lies?

Global warming is the only lie

That is for flat earthers.

And we all know it’s caused by them contrails.

There’s babies at the caucus.
Bernie’s not sure what they are.

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s babies at the caucus.
Bernie’s not sure what they are.

Lunch…

sarahs mum said:

The-Spectator said:

quote=roughbarked]
The-Spectator said:

Do-gooders have a detrimental effect on my share portfolio

Why, are you a dealer in lies?

Global warming is the only lie

Groans.

You know I’m right

The-Spectator said:

sarahs mum said:

The-Spectator said:

quote=roughbarked]

Global warming is the only lie

Groans.

You know I’m right

wing

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s babies at the caucus.
Bernie’s not sure what they are.

Are the Caucuses anywhere near the Ozarks?

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s babies at the caucus.
Bernie’s not sure what they are.

Are the Caucuses anywhere near the Ozarks?

I think Iowa is mostly Caucasoids

Anyway Trump will get back in and fix things

dv said:

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s babies at the caucus.
Bernie’s not sure what they are.

Are the Caucuses anywhere near the Ozarks?

I think Iowa is mostly Caucasoids

I though the Caucasoids were in Europe.

The-Spectator said:

Anyway Trump will get back in and fix things

Fix things? Shouldn’t he have done that already?

furious said:

The-Spectator said:

Anyway Trump will get back in and fix things

Fix things? Shouldn’t he have done that already?

furious said:

The-Spectator said:

Anyway Trump will get back in and fix things

Fix things? Shouldn’t he have done that already?

Somewhat but the previous socialist president kind of messed it up and it takes time

The-Spectator said:

Anyway Trump will get back in and fuck things

the fixer

The-Spectator said:

furious said:

The-Spectator said:

Anyway Trump will get back in and fix things

Fix things? Shouldn’t he have done that already?

Somewhat but the previous socialist president kind of messed it up and it takes time

Why, because he was black? You can’t change history.
There will be more black presidents and most likely female as well.

Better learn to start living with it.

roughbarked said:

There will be more black presidents and most likely female as well.

Well, not in 2020…

dv said:

roughbarked said:

There will be more black presidents and most likely female as well.

Well, not in 2020…

Not this time, no.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

There will be more black presidents and most likely female as well.

Well, not in 2020…

Not this time, no.

Oprah as president ?

The-Spectator said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Well, not in 2020…

Not this time, no.

Oprah as president ?

That is as bad as Trump.

10.40pm in Des Moines. When can we expect a result?

“It seems that the Democratic Party asked each of these precincts to send their results in using an app.
By all reports, that app hasn’t worked as planned. So party officials have asked the precincts to report their results in other ways.”

LOL

Peak Warming Man said:

“It seems that the Democratic Party asked each of these precincts to send their results in using an app.
By all reports, that app hasn’t worked as planned. So party officials have asked the precincts to report their results in other ways.”

LOL

Yep, the Dems have really screwed the pooch on this one. Will be grist to the mill for Trump. What’s particularly stupid is what wally came up with the idea that an app would be a good idea for this.

roughbarked said:

The-Spectator said:

furious said:

Fix things? Shouldn’t he have done that already?

Somewhat but the previous socialist president kind of messed it up and it takes time

Why, because he was black? You can’t change history.
There will be more black presidents and most likely female as well.

Better learn to start living with it.

From a distance the world looks blue and green
And the snow capped mountains white
From a distance the ocean meets the stream
And the eagle takes to flight
From a distance there is harmony
And it echoes through the land
It’s the voice of hope
It’s the voice of peace
It’s the voice of every man*

• no women here

SCIENCE said:

From a distance the world looks blue and green
And the snow capped mountains white
From a distance the ocean meets the stream
And the eagle takes to flight
From a distance there is harmony
And it echoes through the land
It’s the voice of hope
It’s the voice of peace
It’s the voice of every man*

• no women here
  

Pictures one standing in the crow’s nest frigging in the rigging.

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

The-Spectator said:

Somewhat but the previous socialist president kind of messed it up and it takes time

Why, because he was black? You can’t change history.
There will be more black presidents and most likely female as well.

Better learn to start living with it.

“Americans for Limited Government”

LOL

JTFC

It’s pretty debacular

Buttigieg seems to offering a qualified claim of victory…

“Organizers running the precincts did not get to test the mobile app until just hours before voting began”

Christos, talk about an own goal. What a debacle. The grand cockwomble will be crowing about this for months.

Someone really does need firing.

sibeen said:

“Organizers running the precincts did not get to test the mobile app until just hours before voting began”

Christos, talk about an own goal. What a debacle. The grand cockwomble will be crowing about this for months.

Someone really does need firing.

probably the Russian Ukrainian hackers

sibeen said:

“Organizers running the precincts did not get to test the mobile app until just hours before voting began”

Christos, talk about an own goal. What a debacle. The grand cockwomble will be crowing about this for months.

Someone really does need firing.

I don’t think it will make an Iowa of difference come November.

sibeen said:

“Organizers running the precincts did not get to test the mobile app until just hours before voting began”

Christos, talk about an own goal. What a debacle. The grand cockwomble will be crowing about this for months.

Someone really does need firing.

LOL @ “The grand cockwomble”.

Trump campaign jubilant as Democrats’ big night implodes

“Imagine if the shoe has been on the other foot. Imagine if Trump’s White House had spent four years preparing for an election only to mess it up. It would have been seen, quite rightly, as yet another example of his incompetence, ineptitude and inability to focus on detail or retain experienced staff.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/04/what-happened-iowa-caucus-analysis-vote-delays

Mad.

A month ago they needed to be doing a dry run: using the same staff that would be used for the real run, as much as possible.

And shit… all they need to do is identity checking, data entry and adding up. There are off the shelf apps for that, why reinvent the wheel.

The various Nates on 538 are describing this as the weirdest thing they’ve ever seen in a primary contest. There have been stuffups before, and delays, but to be midmorning the following day and have had zero results published is unprecedented. The official line is that the app did not crash and was not hacked, but there were three discrepancies between two different kinds of reporting, so they are thoroughly checking it before announcing anything.

Normally when there are these kinds of problems you compare what changed between the dry runs and the live event: was the volume out of scope, was the timing different etc.

In this case they literally did no dry run. They were despo for volunteers, and some of them were elderly and not familiar with apps, so basically ignored the instruction to download the app beforehand, and chose to phone results in. The phone system was meant for a backup, but it became a first choice for a lot of caucus managers, and the call volume was more than had been planned for.

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“Most of my precinct chairs were a little older,” said Laura Hubka, the Democratic chairwoman in Northern Iowa’s Howard County. “They weren’t comfortable with it.”

John Grennan, 44, the Democratic chairman in Poweshiek County, said seven of the 10 people running precincts in his central Iowa county never downloaded the state party’s app to begin with, choosing instead to phone in results as they always had.
—-

Sarah Banks, a 39-year-old career adviser at Grinnell College, served as a caucus secretary, deputized by her precinct leader to record and submit results. She said she logged in to test the state party’s app Monday afternoon with no problem. But when it came time to report the actual tallies on Monday night, her app failed.

She spent the next four hours trying to phone in results.

“We had three of us call and we were all on hold,” Ms. Banks said. “When I was on hold for an hour, the phone disconnected.”

Shortly before 1 a.m., Ms. Banks said was finally able to log in and plug in her precinct’s totals.

Mr. Grennan, the Poweshiek County chairman, said state party officials hadn’t introduced the app to his volunteers until days before Monday’s caucus. Some precinct leaders in his county were unable to properly enter a security code to download and access the app, let alone submit results.

“A lot of people were like, ‘I’m getting a virus on my phone’ and just quit it,” he said.

Ms. Truitt said the process was confusing for those who tried. It involved inputting a series of forms and links and security codes. Only one person at a precinct could be authorized to submit results through the app.

“I have 75-year-old caucus chairs who are sitting here going, ‘I’m just going to call that in,’” she said. “This was too many new things to learn for a lot of people. Not everybody that goes to the caucus is a 20-year-old college kid.”

On caucus night, Mr. Grennan said the app repeatedly asked him to enter a security code, which he had written down in his caucus packet. After he’d logged in, the app kept kicking him off. And once he was able to enter his precinct’s results he never got a confirmation that they had been received.

—-

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/us/politics/iowa-caucus-problems.html

A few thousand votes have been published now. So far Biden is in fifth place, but these could be counts from very atypical districts.

Sanders, Bernie 27.71%
Warren, Elizabeth 25.07%
Buttigieg, Pete 23.84%
Klobuchar, Amy 11.84%
Biden, Joe 11.08%

Pete Buttigieg, Jaysus. I suspect I’ve got a better chance of beating Trump than this bloke.

sibeen said:

Pete Buttigieg, Jaysus. I suspect I’ve got a better chance of beating Trump than this bloke.

He’ll struggle to get the black vote out I’ll grant you that.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Pete Buttigieg, Jaysus. I suspect I’ve got a better chance of beating Trump than this bloke.

He’ll struggle to get the black vote out I’ll grant you that.

According to current polling they don’t even know who he is.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Pete Buttigieg, Jaysus. I suspect I’ve got a better chance of beating Trump than this bloke.

He’ll struggle to get the black vote out I’ll grant you that.

I know nothing about this person.

What’s his problem?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Pete Buttigieg, Jaysus. I suspect I’ve got a better chance of beating Trump than this bloke.

He’ll struggle to get the black vote out I’ll grant you that.

I know nothing about this person.

What’s his problem?

His homosexuality is a problem for socially conservative black voters for one.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Pete Buttigieg, Jaysus. I suspect I’ve got a better chance of beating Trump than this bloke.

He’ll struggle to get the black vote out I’ll grant you that.

I know nothing about this person.

What’s his problem?

He probably knows bugger all about you too.

sarahs mum said:

Election vote counting seems to be a lot harder than it should be, its not like they haven’t done it before and the procedure should be routine.
It seems almost like something dodgy is going on

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

Election vote counting seems to be a lot harder than it should be, its not like they haven’t done it before and the procedure should be routine.
It seems almost like something dodgy is going on

Was there something about a failed app?

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

Election vote counting seems to be a lot harder than it should be, its not like they haven’t done it before and the procedure should be routine.
It seems almost like something dodgy is going on

Was there something about a failed app?

This one I think but it seems every time it seems recounts are demanded when they should be part of the electoral commissions routine anyway.
The security of ballot boxes shouldn’t be in question unless collusion occurs between numerous parties whom don’t have vested interests to do such a thing anyway.
It’s more like they don’t like the outcome demand a recount like some ballot papers were discovered missing which isn’t likley

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

Election vote counting seems to be a lot harder than it should be, its not like they haven’t done it before and the procedure should be routine.
It seems almost like something dodgy is going on

Was there something about a failed app?

A russian company developed the app…

furious said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Election vote counting seems to be a lot harder than it should be, its not like they haven’t done it before and the procedure should be routine.
It seems almost like something dodgy is going on

Was there something about a failed app?

A russian company developed the app…

Is that true, it could be you joking but I’d believe it true as well

Cymek said:

furious said:

Tamb said:

Was there something about a failed app?

A russian company developed the app…

Is that true, it could be you joking but I’d believe it true as well

Any resemblance to actual facts would be purely coincidental…

furious said:

Cymek said:

furious said:

A russian company developed the app…

Is that true, it could be you joking but I’d believe it true as well

Any resemblance to actual facts would be purely coincidental…

The party organisers are blaming a “coding issue” in the app, made by Shadow Inc for the Democratic party

Shadow Inc.?! Ha! Does not get any more shady than that…

furious said:

furious said:

Cymek said:

Is that true, it could be you joking but I’d believe it true as well

Any resemblance to actual facts would be purely coincidental…

The party organisers are blaming a “coding issue” in the app, made by Shadow Inc for the Democratic party

Shadow Inc.?! Ha! Does not get any more shady than that…

LTJTB.

furious said:

furious said:

Cymek said:

Is that true, it could be you joking but I’d believe it true as well

Any resemblance to actual facts would be purely coincidental…

The party organisers are blaming a “coding issue” in the app, made by Shadow Inc for the Democratic party

Shadow Inc.?! Ha! Does not get any more shady than that…

You do wonder sometimes if the universe takes the piss at the human race

Cymek said:

furious said:

furious said:

Any resemblance to actual facts would be purely coincidental…

The party organisers are blaming a “coding issue” in the app, made by Shadow Inc for the Democratic party

Shadow Inc.?! Ha! Does not get any more shady than that…

You do wonder sometimes if the universe takes the piss at the human race

In Russian Тень. Looks just as dodgy.

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

furious said:

The party organisers are blaming a “coding issue” in the app, made by Shadow Inc for the Democratic party

Shadow Inc.?! Ha! Does not get any more shady than that…

You do wonder sometimes if the universe takes the piss at the human race

In Russian Тень. Looks just as dodgy.

And its a subsidiary of the parent company

Трамп наша марионетка

Not satire.

Divine Angel said:

Not satire.

I wonder if that’s the real face she pulled when she saw them hugging, what a cow

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Not satire.

I wonder if that’s the real face she pulled when she saw them hugging, what a cow

I don’t follow the goings on as much as some, and I can’t vote there, but even from this far away I knew he was gay. He hasn’t hidden it, in fact he seems to have made it front and centre. Why would you vote for someone if you didn’t know the first thing about them? Him being gay is neither here nor there but if you didn’t know that then chances are you don’t know much about his platform either…

Looking at the news today the new hanging chads fiasco has almost bumped the impeachment. Dems didn’t get much bang for bucks for that. Barely a blip.

I heard some news today, oh boy.

Peak Warming Man said:

I heard some news today, oh boy.

Well, it is good news week.

• I heard some news today, oh boy.

Well now that Buttigieg has made the grade let’s hope he doesn’t run a red light…

Greenpapers usually has the most up to date information.

https://www.thegreenpapers.com/P20/IA-D

Although only about 60% of precincts are in, they are “scattered” so might be considered a good representation of the whole.

Candidate Pop
Vote %
Bernard “Bernie” Sanders 28,310 26.20%
Peter Paul Montgomery “Pete” Buttigieg 27,112 25.09%
Elizabeth Ann Warren 22,386 20.71%
Joseph Robinette “Joe” Biden, Jr. 14,280 13.21%
Amy Jean Klobuchar 13,479 12.47%

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1224830283092021248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1224830283092021248&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsaraacarter.com%2Fiowa-democraapp-results-62-in-buttigieg-1st-bernie-2nd-biden-distant-4th%2F

WATCH: This Iowa caucus-goer asked to change her vote after learning for the first time that Mayor Pete is gay. One of the candidate’s precinct captains is now being praised for keeping her cool while speaking to the shocked woman.

furious said:

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Not satire.

I wonder if that’s the real face she pulled when she saw them hugging, what a cow

I don’t follow the goings on as much as some, and I can’t vote there, but even from this far away I knew he was gay. He hasn’t hidden it, in fact he seems to have made it front and centre. Why would you vote for someone if you didn’t know the first thing about them? Him being gay is neither here nor there but if you didn’t know that then chances are you don’t know much about his platform either…

Not everyone follows things closely. She made have thought … veteran … not fuckin’ old … okay.

Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg? Yikes.

Divine Angel said:

Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg? Yikes.

“Only a moron wouldn’t cast his vote for Mon … ty … Butt.”

Divine Angel said:

Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg? Yikes.

Named after the folk group Peter, Paul & Monty.

My photocopier (mfp) needs more toner. Just checking the labels and stuff on it, it’s a bit geriatric. Made in 2005. I’ll pop down to Cartridge World in Warrnambool and see if they can help me with it. If now, it can go to heaven and we’ll use the mfp of Mr buffy’s. I am still using stuff from the practice while it still works.

dv said:

Divine Angel said:

Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg? Yikes.

“Only a moron wouldn’t cast his vote for Mon … ty … Butt.”

Monty is not going to be president.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Divine Angel said:

Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg? Yikes.

“Only a moron wouldn’t cast his vote for Mon … ty … Butt.”

Monty is not going to be president.

I doubt whether countries like the USA, UK and Australia will ever see another left-of-centre government. Too much stacked against them.

buffy said:

My photocopier (mfp) needs more toner. Just checking the labels and stuff on it, it’s a bit geriatric. Made in 2005. I’ll pop down to Cartridge World in Warrnambool and see if they can help me with it. If now, it can go to heaven and we’ll use the mfp of Mr buffy’s. I am still using stuff from the practice while it still works.

Are you receiving any faxs?

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

“Only a moron wouldn’t cast his vote for Mon … ty … Butt.”

Monty is not going to be president.

I doubt whether countries like the USA, UK and Australia will ever see another left-of-centre government. Too much stacked against them.

Well depending on what you call “left of centre” that comment is somewhere between the bleedin obvious and you have to be kidding.

It’s pretty close still on current read it appears Boinie will get the most votes but Booty judge will get the most delegates, because of the way the voting fell in the various districts. That should give the Sanders people something to be angry at, they like that.

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

“Only a moron wouldn’t cast his vote for Mon … ty … Butt.”

Monty is not going to be president.

I doubt whether countries like the USA, UK and Australia will ever see another left-of-centre government. Too much stacked against them.

I’m starting to get worried about centrist positions.

Well the Republicans didn’t fuck up their Iowa caucus and Trump has a 95.84% margin on his nearest competitor.

45 minutes ago CNN was reporting that the Democratic National Committee is taking “an increasingly active role” in chasing up data from the locations across the state where caucuses were held.

bangs head on desk

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

My photocopier (mfp) needs more toner. Just checking the labels and stuff on it, it’s a bit geriatric. Made in 2005. I’ll pop down to Cartridge World in Warrnambool and see if they can help me with it. If now, it can go to heaven and we’ll use the mfp of Mr buffy’s. I am still using stuff from the practice while it still works.

Are you receiving any faxs?

Sorry, wrong thread. And no. I’m photocopying.

Mr Ohio says,

‘This man is the greatest how can we have such a problem with what he does?’

we all love a good cult of personality

They still haven’t finished the counting in Iowa. At 86% now.

Fun fact: New Hampshire State Law requires that the NH primary be held at least 7 days before the primary of any other State. This has always struck me as a ridiculous law. What if another state enacted the same legislation?

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXIII/653/653-9.htm

653:9 Presidential Primary Election. – The presidential primary election shall be held on the second Tuesday in March or on a date selected by the secretary of state which is 7 days or more immediately preceding the date on which any other state shall hold a similar election, whichever is earlier, of each year when a president of the United States is to be elected or the year previous. Said primary shall be held in connection with the regular March town meeting or election or, if held on any other day, at a special election called by the secretary of state for that purpose. The purpose of this section is to protect the tradition of the New Hampshire first-in-the-nation presidential primary.

dv said:

Fun fact: New Hampshire State Law requires that the NH primary be held at least 7 days before the primary of any other State. This has always struck me as a ridiculous law. What if another state enacted the same legislation?

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXIII/653/653-9.htm

653:9 Presidential Primary Election. – The presidential primary election shall be held on the second Tuesday in March or on a date selected by the secretary of state which is 7 days or more immediately preceding the date on which any other state shall hold a similar election, whichever is earlier, of each year when a president of the United States is to be elected or the year previous. Said primary shall be held in connection with the regular March town meeting or election or, if held on any other day, at a special election called by the secretary of state for that purpose. The purpose of this section is to protect the tradition of the New Hampshire first-in-the-nation presidential primary.

the union would fall apart

dv said:

Fun fact: New Hampshire State Law requires that the NH primary be held at least 7 days before the primary of any other State. This has always struck me as a ridiculous law. What if another state enacted the same legislation?

So, if everybody else acted that way? “Then I’d certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way,” Yossarian says.

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Not satire.

I wonder if that’s the real face she pulled when she saw them hugging, what a cow

Although “Mayor Pete” is openly gay (in fact happily married) it’s not very evident. I mean he’s not a limp wristed, lisping faerie…

I imagine what she saw is what many others see..
Buttigieg is brilliant (for an American) and personable.
Unlike the other candidates, he can think on his feet and
pivot to answer any question on the spot without a 2nd thought
whereas the rest are like listening to a skipping record of worn promises.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Fun fact: New Hampshire State Law requires that the NH primary be held at least 7 days before the primary of any other State. This has always struck me as a ridiculous law. What if another state enacted the same legislation?

So, if everybody else acted that way? “Then I’d certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way,” Yossarian says.

Ogmog said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Fun fact: New Hampshire State Law requires that the NH primary be held at least 7 days before the primary of any other State. This has always struck me as a ridiculous law. What if another state enacted the same legislation?

So, if everybody else acted that way? “Then I’d certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way,” Yossarian says.

I think you miss the point,

If two states had legislation specifying that they had to be at least 7 days earlier than all the other states, it would result in a legal conundrum.

dv said:

Ogmog said:

ChrispenEvan said:

So, if everybody else acted that way? “Then I’d certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way,” Yossarian says.

I think you miss the point,

If two states had legislation specifying that they had to be at least 7 days earlier than all the other states, it would result in a legal conundrum.

It could only be to be resolved by violence and civil war.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Ogmog said:

I think you miss the point,

If two states had legislation specifying that they had to be at least 7 days earlier than all the other states, it would result in a legal conundrum.

It could only be to be resolved by violence and civil war.

They’ve got the violence. They’ve had the (un) civil war.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Ogmog said:

I think you miss the point,

If two states had legislation specifying that they had to be at least 7 days earlier than all the other states, it would result in a legal conundrum.

It could only be to be resolved by violence and civil war.

Well I suppose in reality what would happen is that ultimately the SC would strike down one or both of the laws…

party_pants said:

dv said:

Ogmog said:

I think you miss the point,

If two states had legislation specifying that they had to be at least 7 days earlier than all the other states, it would result in a legal conundrum.

It could only be to be resolved by violence and civil war.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

I think you miss the point,

If two states had legislation specifying that they had to be at least 7 days earlier than all the other states, it would result in a legal conundrum.

It could only be to be resolved by violence and civil war.

I bet they only made that up to taunt the prisoners that stamp the plates.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

It could only be to be resolved by violence and civil war.

I bet they only made that up to taunt the prisoners that stamp the plates.

“Live Free or Die” is the official motto of the U.S. state of New Hampshire, adopted by the state in 1945. It is possibly the best-known of all state mottos, partly because it conveys an assertive independence historically found in American political philosophy and partly because of its contrast to the milder sentiments found in other state mottos.

The phrase was adopted from a toast written by General John Stark, New Hampshire’s most famous soldier of the American Revolutionary War, on July 31, 1809. Poor health forced Stark to decline an invitation to an anniversary reunion of the Battle of Bennington. Instead, he sent his toast by letter:

Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.

By the time Stark wrote this, Vivre Libre ou Mourir (“Live free or die”) was already a popular motto of the French Revolution. The English romantic poet William Wordsworth also adopted this Revolutionary motto when he composed the line, “We must be free or die, who speak the tongue that Shakespeare spoke”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

I bet they only made that up to taunt the prisoners that stamp the plates.

“Live Free or Die” is the official motto of the U.S. state of New Hampshire, adopted by the state in 1945. It is possibly the best-known of all state mottos, partly because it conveys an assertive independence historically found in American political philosophy and partly because of its contrast to the milder sentiments found in other state mottos.

The phrase was adopted from a toast written by General John Stark, New Hampshire’s most famous soldier of the American Revolutionary War, on July 31, 1809. Poor health forced Stark to decline an invitation to an anniversary reunion of the Battle of Bennington. Instead, he sent his toast by letter:

Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.

By the time Stark wrote this, Vivre Libre ou Mourir (“Live free or die”) was already a popular motto of the French Revolution. The English romantic poet William Wordsworth also adopted this Revolutionary motto when he composed the line, “We must be free or die, who speak the tongue that Shakespeare spoke”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die

Sounds like the motto of an outlaw biker gang.

If I was running for NH office my pitch would be: “We need a kinder, gentler, more civilised and more welcoming New Hampshire. We can begin by changing that grotesque motto.”

dv said:

Ogmog said:

ChrispenEvan said:

So, if everybody else acted that way? “Then I’d certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way,” Yossarian says.

I think you miss the point,

If two states had legislation specifying that they had to be at least 7 days earlier than all the other states, it would result in a legal conundrum.

Nup dint miss the point
I was simply acknowledging that I grokked the reference.

dv said:

Ogmog said:

ChrispenEvan said:

So, if everybody else acted that way? “Then I’d certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way,” Yossarian says.

I think you miss the point,

If two states had legislation specifying that they had to be at least 7 days earlier than all the other states, it would result in a legal conundrum.

It was a joke. you know, like those things you post sometimes…

;-)

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

I bet they only made that up to taunt the prisoners that stamp the plates.

“Live Free or Die” is the official motto of the U.S. state of New Hampshire, adopted by the state in 1945. It is possibly the best-known of all state mottos, partly because it conveys an assertive independence historically found in American political philosophy and partly because of its contrast to the milder sentiments found in other state mottos.

The phrase was adopted from a toast written by General John Stark, New Hampshire’s most famous soldier of the American Revolutionary War, on July 31, 1809. Poor health forced Stark to decline an invitation to an anniversary reunion of the Battle of Bennington. Instead, he sent his toast by letter:

Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.

By the time Stark wrote this, Vivre Libre ou Mourir (“Live free or die”) was already a popular motto of the French Revolution. The English romantic poet William Wordsworth also adopted this Revolutionary motto when he composed the line, “We must be free or die, who speak the tongue that Shakespeare spoke”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die

Sounds like the motto of an outlaw biker gang.

If I was running for NH office my pitch would be: “We need a kinder, gentler, more civilised and more welcoming New Hampshire. We can begin by changing that grotesque motto.”

…and I’d add: “Being free means being free to believe whatever you like, not just what the number plates tell you.”

• If I was running for NH office my pitch would be: “We need a kinder, gentler, more civilised and more welcoming New Hampshire. We can begin by changing that grotesque motto.”

Your opponent will just say “He wants to take away your guns.” and then you would lose…

furious said:

• If I was running for NH office my pitch would be: “We need a kinder, gentler, more civilised and more welcoming New Hampshire. We can begin by changing that grotesque motto.”

Your opponent will just say “He wants to take away your guns.” and then you would lose…

But he’d be forced to concede: “Yeah, I guess we really should change it to “Live under siege from gun nuts or die.”

Bubblecar said:

furious said:

• If I was running for NH office my pitch would be: “We need a kinder, gentler, more civilised and more welcoming New Hampshire. We can begin by changing that grotesque motto.”

Your opponent will just say “He wants to take away your guns.” and then you would lose…

But he’d be forced to concede: “Yeah, I guess we really should change it to “Live under siege from gun nuts or die.”

then

The NYT has Bernie a 54% chance of winning the Iowa primary. Not that it matters. Everyone has shaken their head in a sorrowful manner and moved on from the debacle, hoping that no-one fucks up in New Hampshire. In fact this may work out well for the Bern, he is well ahead in the polls in NH so the media may get to report a huge victory and he’ll have the momentum.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1225174713992990721

I suppose a case can be made that the debacle has aided Biden in that it has taken focus away from the fact that he underperformed by a lot. If this had been a nice orderly caucus, that would have been the headline.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/democrats-call-for-iowa-caucus-recanvass-as-reports-of-interference-emerge-20200207-p53yk4.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/democrats-call-for-iowa-caucus-recanvass-as-reports-of-interference-emerge-20200207-p53yk4.html

“The Iowa Democratic Party received an “unusually high volume of inbound calls” to its caucus hotline on Monday night from “callers who would hang up immediately after being connected, supporters of President Trump who called to express their displeasure with the Democratic Party, and Iowans looking to confirm details,” a party official said on Thursday. ​”

I mean given that the hotline should only exist to receive calls from Caucus District chairmen/women who, in the unforeseen event that the app fails, are providing their counts by phone instead … why would the number be made public? Perhaps it leaked.

“With 97 per cent of precincts counted, Pete Buttigieg, the 38-year-old former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, has 26.2 per cent of state delegate equivalents and U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders has 26.1 per cent, according to the Iowa Democratic Party.”

Close as balls, or arguably closer.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/democrats-call-for-iowa-caucus-recanvass-as-reports-of-interference-emerge-20200207-p53yk4.html

“The Iowa Democratic Party received an “unusually high volume of inbound calls” to its caucus hotline on Monday night from “callers who would hang up immediately after being connected, supporters of President Trump who called to express their displeasure with the Democratic Party, and Iowans looking to confirm details,” a party official said on Thursday. ​”

I mean given that the hotline should only exist to receive calls from Caucus District chairmen/women who, in the unforeseen event that the app fails, are providing their counts by phone instead … why would the number be made public? Perhaps it leaked.

“With 97 per cent of precincts counted, Pete Buttigieg, the 38-year-old former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, has 26.2 per cent of state delegate equivalents and U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders has 26.1 per cent, according to the Iowa Democratic Party.”

Close as balls, or arguably closer.

no fallacy* between them

• middle excluded

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/democrats-call-for-iowa-caucus-recanvass-as-reports-of-interference-emerge-20200207-p53yk4.html

“The Iowa Democratic Party received an “unusually high volume of inbound calls” to its caucus hotline on Monday night from “callers who would hang up immediately after being connected, supporters of President Trump who called to express their displeasure with the Democratic Party, and Iowans looking to confirm details,” a party official said on Thursday. ​”

I mean given that the hotline should only exist to receive calls from Caucus District chairmen/women who, in the unforeseen event that the app fails, are providing their counts by phone instead … why would the number be made public? Perhaps it leaked.

“With 97 per cent of precincts counted, Pete Buttigieg, the 38-year-old former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, has 26.2 per cent of state delegate equivalents and U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders has 26.1 per cent, according to the Iowa Democratic Party.”

Close as balls, or arguably closer.

no fallacy* between them

• middle excluded
  

Did you mean phallus-y

I emailed fivethirtyeight saying they should add a curve on their “Who Will Win The 2020 Democratic Primary?” graph representing “no one” (ie that no one will get more than half the delegates, leading to a contested convention).

This, they have now done.

dv said:

I emailed fivethirtyeight saying they should add a curve on their “Who Will Win The 2020 Democratic Primary?” graph representing “no one” (ie that no one will get more than half the delegates, leading to a contested convention).

This, they have now done.

I noticed the inclusion this morning,

dv said:

I emailed fivethirtyeight saying they should add a curve on their “Who Will Win The 2020 Democratic Primary?” graph representing “no one” (ie that no one will get more than half the delegates, leading to a contested convention).

This, they have now done.

FTR, that was around 15% before the Iowa Caucus and is now pegging 23%.

President Trump has used his address at the national prayer breakfast to criticise Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney, implicitly calling their faith into question.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/06/politics/donald-trump-national-prayer-breakfast-nancy-pelosi-impeachment/index.html

dv said:

President Trump has used his address at the national prayer breakfast to criticise Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney, implicitly calling their faith into question.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/06/politics/donald-trump-national-prayer-breakfast-nancy-pelosi-impeachment/index.html

Interesting little dissertation on Trumps religious beliefs (or otherwise) here:
https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/What-Is-Donald-Trumps-Religion

His apparent popularity with many who do take these things seriously is a bit of a puzzle to me.

dv said:

President Trump has used his address at the national prayer breakfast to criticise Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney, implicitly calling their faith into question.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/06/politics/donald-trump-national-prayer-breakfast-nancy-pelosi-impeachment/index.html

It’s one of PWM’s talking points for today.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

President Trump has used his address at the national prayer breakfast to criticise Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney, implicitly calling their faith into question.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/06/politics/donald-trump-national-prayer-breakfast-nancy-pelosi-impeachment/index.html

Interesting little dissertation on Trumps religious beliefs (or otherwise) here:
https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/What-Is-Donald-Trumps-Religion

His apparent popularity with many who do take these things seriously is a bit of a puzzle to me.

Deplorably dim-witted folk.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

President Trump has used his address at the national prayer breakfast to criticise Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney, implicitly calling their faith into question.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/06/politics/donald-trump-national-prayer-breakfast-nancy-pelosi-impeachment/index.html

Interesting little dissertation on Trumps religious beliefs (or otherwise) here:
https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/What-Is-Donald-Trumps-Religion

His apparent popularity with many who do take these things seriously is a bit of a puzzle to me.

only a bit though, since we know that people believe what they want to believe

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

President Trump has used his address at the national prayer breakfast to criticise Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney, implicitly calling their faith into question.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/06/politics/donald-trump-national-prayer-breakfast-nancy-pelosi-impeachment/index.html

Interesting little dissertation on Trumps religious beliefs (or otherwise) here:
https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/What-Is-Donald-Trumps-Religion

His apparent popularity with many who do take these things seriously is a bit of a puzzle to me.

only a bit though, since we know that people believe what they want to believe

…
and disregard the rest.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Interesting little dissertation on Trumps religious beliefs (or otherwise) here:
https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/What-Is-Donald-Trumps-Religion

His apparent popularity with many who do take these things seriously is a bit of a puzzle to me.

only a bit though, since we know that people believe what they want to believe

…
and disregard the rest.

i only see what eye wont to see

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Ogmog said:

I think you miss the point,

If two states had legislation specifying that they had to be at least 7 days earlier than all the other states, it would result in a legal conundrum.

It was a joke. you know, like those things you post sometimes…

;-)

Yes & No

Joseph Heller penned one of the most Seriously Funny books ever written
(the title itself has become universally accepted as ubiquitous contradiction)

every deadly serious situation had it’s funny side
while every funny situation was deadly serious

…but in the end; “…everybody works for Milo.”

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Not satire.

I wonder if that’s the real face she pulled when she saw them hugging, what a cow

unHoly Cow

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

President Trump has used his address at the national prayer breakfast to criticise Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney, implicitly calling their faith into question.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/06/politics/donald-trump-national-prayer-breakfast-nancy-pelosi-impeachment/index.html

Interesting little dissertation on Trumps religious beliefs (or otherwise) here:
https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/What-Is-Donald-Trumps-Religion

His apparent popularity with many who do take these things seriously is a bit of a puzzle to me.

After this all blows over, hopefully fairly soon, at least we’ll have learned something about the extremes of human doublethink.

The same people whose heads explode when an athlete kneels during the national anthem don’t even care when the President prances like a tit during the same anthem.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-national-anthem-video-super-bowl/

Fun facts:

Pete Buttigieg’s father, Joseph Buttigieg, was the translator of Gramsci’s Prison Notebooks.

You probably all know that Presidents are limited to two terms of four years, but in the event that a VP has to take over as President (eg due to death or disability s) more than halfway through a term, their two terms start with the next election. In other words, such a President could be in office up to 10 years.
Given the number of septuagenarians running for the job this time (Sanders, Warren, Biden, Bloomberg, Steyer and of course DJT, it’s possible some VP may end up in that position.

dv said:

Fun facts:

Pete Buttigieg’s father, Joseph Buttigieg, was the translator of Gramsci’s Prison Notebooks.

You probably all know that Presidents are limited to two terms of four years, but in the event that a VP has to take over as President (eg due to death or disability s) more than halfway through a term, their two terms start with the next election. In other words, such a President could be in office up to 10 years.
Given the number of septuagenarians running for the job this time (Sanders, Warren, Biden, Bloomberg, Steyer and of course DJT, it’s possible some VP may end up in that position.

Repeal the 22nd amendment they’ll shout…

Maybe Killer Mike should have run…

https://youtu.be/WnWTB5MCMPk

dv said:

Maybe Killer Mike should have run…

https://youtu.be/WnWTB5MCMPk

:)

I don’t actually read Bolt’s blog: I just peruse the links. He is becoming increasingly unhinged with regards Trump:

TRUMP UNLEASHED. HATERS MOCK A ‘BONKERS’ SPEECH THAT ACTUALLY DESTROYS THEM

How his haters help Trump. Vox’s Aaron Rupar tweets clips of Donald Trump’s towering speech of revenge against “scum” James Comey, the “bulls..t” Russia story peddled by “dirty cops” and the “evil” Democrats who tried to impeach him, and miserably failed. Rupar calls the speech “bonkers”. But what he actually shows is a Trump to vote for. Watch.

3h ago

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t actually read Bolt’s blog: I just peruse the links. He is becoming increasingly unhinged with regards Trump:

TRUMP UNLEASHED. HATERS MOCK A ‘BONKERS’ SPEECH THAT ACTUALLY DESTROYS THEM

How his haters help Trump. Vox’s Aaron Rupar tweets clips of Donald Trump’s towering speech of revenge against “scum” James Comey, the “bulls..t” Russia story peddled by “dirty cops” and the “evil” Democrats who tried to impeach him, and miserably failed. Rupar calls the speech “bonkers”. But what he actually shows is a Trump to vote for. Watch.

3h ago

Bolts never been hinged properly to anything.

Flaps around in the wind all the time.

Makes a lot of noise.

I wonder how someone ends up like Bolt

dv said:

I wonder how someone ends up like Bolt

Everybody needs to make a living somehow. He found the right people to suck up to who pay him to parrot their views. How those people ended up with their views is probably more interesting.

The Republican attack ads on Romney are a bit funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iuEIJRjbt0&feature=youtu.be

dv said:

I wonder how someone ends up like Bolt

An ego healthy enough to disregard your status as a kleptocrat’s goto-boy and think it’s about your writing.

dv said:

The Republican attack ads on Romney are a bit funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iuEIJRjbt0&feature=youtu.be

Well that convinced me.

dv said:

I wonder how someone ends up like Bolt

Range of things

Racist values
Bad fact finding
Getting facts wrong
Spreading Misinformation and hate
Not thinking things through properly
etc

It will be interesting to see if Trump loses how he will take it. If he rabbits on about a stolen election and a deep state plot again he might incite some group of nutters to shoot up Congress. I wonder if their security is prepared for 30 trained shooters with semi-automatics?

Witty Rejoinder said:

It will be interesting to see if Trump loses how he will take it. If he rabbits on about a stolen election and a deep state plot again he might incite some group of nutters to shoot up Congress. I wonder if their security is prepared for 30 trained shooters with semi-automatics?

Shit, he didn’t even take winning well.

Witty Rejoinder said:

It will be interesting to see if Trump loses how he will take it. If he rabbits on about a stolen election and a deep state plot again he might incite some group of nutters to shoot up Congress. I wonder if their security is prepared for 30 trained shooters with semi-automatics?

Oh yeah. They would be prepared for a whole lot worse than that.

Witty Rejoinder said:

It will be interesting to see if Trump loses how he will take it. If he rabbits on about a stolen election and a deep state plot again he might incite some group of nutters to shoot up Congress. I wonder if their security is prepared for 30 trained shooters with semi-automatics?

I suspect that very quickly there would be 30 dead shooters.

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

I wonder how someone ends up like Bolt

Range of things

Racist values
Bad fact finding
Getting facts wrong
Spreading Misinformation and hate
Not thinking things through properly
etc

I don’t think he is a good thinker, a destructive columnist and radio announcer.

Plenty of them around, Alan Jones et al.

Witty Rejoinder said:

It will be interesting to see if Trump loses how he will take it. If he rabbits on about a stolen election and a deep state plot again he might incite some group of nutters to shoot up Congress. I wonder if their security is prepared for 30 trained shooters with semi-automatics?

I remember at this election people were worried about how republicans would respond, as it was, it was progressives rioting and lighting fires…the ones not flying to Canada anyway.

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It will be interesting to see if Trump loses how he will take it. If he rabbits on about a stolen election and a deep state plot again he might incite some group of nutters to shoot up Congress. I wonder if their security is prepared for 30 trained shooters with semi-automatics?

I suspect that very quickly there would be 30 dead shooters.

Hopefully. I might spend some time investigating how many secret service defend congress in total.

AwesomeO said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It will be interesting to see if Trump loses how he will take it. If he rabbits on about a stolen election and a deep state plot again he might incite some group of nutters to shoot up Congress. I wonder if their security is prepared for 30 trained shooters with semi-automatics?

I remember at this election people were worried about how republicans would respond, as it was, it was progressives rioting and lighting fires…the ones not flying to Canada anyway.

Hehehehehe

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It will be interesting to see if Trump loses how he will take it. If he rabbits on about a stolen election and a deep state plot again he might incite some group of nutters to shoot up Congress. I wonder if their security is prepared for 30 trained shooters with semi-automatics?

I suspect that very quickly there would be 30 dead shooters.

Hopefully. I might spend some time investigating how many secret service defend congress in total.

…and a red light starts blinking at several deep state bunkers…

Witty Rejoinder said:

It will be interesting to see if Trump loses how he will take it. If he rabbits on about a stolen election and a deep state plot again he might incite some group of nutters to shoot up Congress. I wonder if their security is prepared for 30 trained shooters with semi-automatics?

Here is how is taking it

Trump tweets his way to a record on impeachment day

Trump tweets a video implying he’ll be president ‘4EVA’ as his first official response after impeachment-trial acquittal

Trump immediately refuted the Republican idea he was chastened by impeachment

AwesomeO said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It will be interesting to see if Trump loses how he will take it. If he rabbits on about a stolen election and a deep state plot again he might incite some group of nutters to shoot up Congress. I wonder if their security is prepared for 30 trained shooters with semi-automatics?

I remember at this election people were worried about how republicans would respond, as it was, it was progressives rioting and lighting fires…the ones not flying to Canada anyway.

Well there was that time the white supremacist drove into that crowd of progressives.

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It will be interesting to see if Trump loses how he will take it. If he rabbits on about a stolen election and a deep state plot again he might incite some group of nutters to shoot up Congress. I wonder if their security is prepared for 30 trained shooters with semi-automatics?

I suspect that very quickly there would be 30 dead shooters.

He hasn’t done much to ingratiate himself to the people whose job it is to defend him…

Witty Rejoinder said:

AwesomeO said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It will be interesting to see if Trump loses how he will take it. If he rabbits on about a stolen election and a deep state plot again he might incite some group of nutters to shoot up Congress. I wonder if their security is prepared for 30 trained shooters with semi-automatics?

I remember at this election people were worried about how republicans would respond, as it was, it was progressives rioting and lighting fires…the ones not flying to Canada anyway.

Well there was that time the white supremacist drove into that crowd of progressives.

lone wolf.

dv said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It will be interesting to see if Trump loses how he will take it. If he rabbits on about a stolen election and a deep state plot again he might incite some group of nutters to shoot up Congress. I wonder if their security is prepared for 30 trained shooters with semi-automatics?

I suspect that very quickly there would be 30 dead shooters.

He hasn’t done much to ingratiate himself to the people whose job it is to defend him…

In this scenario they would be defending congress.

Do try to keep up :)

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

AwesomeO said:

I remember at this election people were worried about how republicans would respond, as it was, it was progressives rioting and lighting fires…the ones not flying to Canada anyway.

Well there was that time the white supremacist drove into that crowd of progressives.

lone wolf.

I mean there was the fucking MAGAbomber

Trump brags a lot in his tweets.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump brags a lot in his tweets.

big call

Hey DV do the maths for me. Do the Republicans have enough state legislatures and governorships to repeal the 22nd amendment should Trump want to stick around?

One interesting thing is that there are democratic survivalists joining the ranks of republican small government don’t tread on me survivalists enough to be a thing now.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Hey DV do the maths for me. Do the Republicans have enough state legislatures and governorships to repeal the 22nd amendment should Trump want to stick around?

They do not.

Also it’s not clear to me that they would.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump brags a lot in his tweets.

Small hands. He has ‘tiny penis syndrome.

dv said:

Also it’s not clear to me that they would.

True. Despite the enabling the Republican leadership would probably like to see the end of this farce as much as anyone

“Had I not fired James Comey — who was a disaster, by the way — it’s possible I wouldn’t even be standing here right now. “

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-nation/

Well … right.

I would love to see the Democrat nominee
zing Trump in debates by just quoting all the former Trump officials with what they’ve said about him: ‘Secretary of State, MORON’ etc.

Of course that depends on there being debates. They’ll probably schedule them for after Trump releases his tax returns.

Witty Rejoinder said:

I would love to see the Democrat nominee
zing Trump in debates by just quoting all the former Trump officials with what they’ve said about him: ‘Secretary of State, MORON’ etc.

Of course that depends on there being debates. They’ll probably schedule them for after Trump releases his tax returns.

The debates should be more dignified than that, but they should use it in the ads.

I mean you could seriously just play quotes from Congressional republicans before Trump became president.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Also it’s not clear to me that they would.

True. Despite the enabling the Republican leadership would probably like to see the end of this farce as much as anyone

Also probably Obama would win again…

Who would make the best President?

I’m going with Lurch from the Adams Family

I like the way Lurch talks

Tau.Neutrino said:

Who would make the best President?

I’m going with Lurch from the Adams Family

I like the way Lurch talks

That would probably be his reaction to Presidency.

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

AwesomeO said:

I remember at this election people were worried about how republicans would respond, as it was, it was progressives rioting and lighting fires…the ones not flying to Canada anyway.

Well there was that time the white supremacist drove into that crowd of progressives.

lone wolf.

That’s all right, then.

Witty Rejoinder said:

I would love to see the Democrat nominee
zing Trump in debates by just quoting all the former Trump officials with what they’ve said about him: ‘Secretary of State, MORON’ etc.

Of course that depends on there being debates. They’ll probably schedule them for after Trump releases his tax returns.

If I were a candidate I’d take the punt on refusing debates. Just act like he doesn’t exist or doesn’t matter.

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I would love to see the Democrat nominee
zing Trump in debates by just quoting all the former Trump officials with what they’ve said about him: ‘Secretary of State, MORON’ etc.

Of course that depends on there being debates. They’ll probably schedule them for after Trump releases his tax returns.

If I were a candidate I’d take the punt on refusing debates. Just act like he doesn’t exist or doesn’t matter.

There is a greater than middling chance that Trump will win again. Ignoring him certainly won’t help.

Maybe someone can collect all the wrong things his done, the crimes in the past, grabbing women inappropriately , his bad business practices, the way he treats people, an in depth analysis of his personality, the Russian connections etc

Roll one hour / two hour documentaries on all the major media outlets.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe someone can collect all the wrong things his done, the crimes in the past, grabbing women inappropriately , his bad business practices, the way he treats people, an in depth analysis of his personality, the Russian connections etc

Roll one hour / two hour documentaries on all the major media outlets.

The problem with that is that, like most egotistical bullies, Trump is, at the bottom of it, terribly boring. No-one would be watching after the first 15 minutes.

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe someone can collect all the wrong things his done, the crimes in the past, grabbing women inappropriately , his bad business practices, the way he treats people, an in depth analysis of his personality, the Russian connections etc

Roll one hour / two hour documentaries on all the major media outlets.

The problem with that is that, like most egotistical bullies, Trump is, at the bottom of it, terribly boring. No-one would be watching after the first 15 minutes.

Yes agree that he is a boring bragger

But they need to get rid of him.

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe someone can collect all the wrong things his done, the crimes in the past, grabbing women inappropriately , his bad business practices, the way he treats people, an in depth analysis of his personality, the Russian connections etc

Roll one hour / two hour documentaries on all the major media outlets.

The problem with that is that, like most egotistical bullies, Trump is, at the bottom of it, terribly boring. No-one would be watching after the first 15 minutes.

Yes agree that he is a boring bragger

But they need to get rid of him.

The Republican congressmen and senators would probably agree, but they weren’t about to let it happen on the Democrats’ say-so.

Their real problem is how, short of an assassination, they can prevent him from seeking re-election.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I would love to see the Democrat nominee
zing Trump in debates by just quoting all the former Trump officials with what they’ve said about him: ‘Secretary of State, MORON’ etc.

Of course that depends on there being debates. They’ll probably schedule them for after Trump releases his tax returns.

If I were a candidate I’d take the punt on refusing debates. Just act like he doesn’t exist or doesn’t matter.

There is a greater than middling chance that Trump will win again. Ignoring him certainly won’t help.

Trump’s primary strategy will be outright lies, not debate. You can’t debate with someone like that without being made to look foolish. The better option is not to debate him and control your own message. You have to make him irrelevant so his lies don’t gain traction. You can’t fight an honest campaign against outright lies.

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe someone can collect all the wrong things his done, the crimes in the past, grabbing women inappropriately , his bad business practices, the way he treats people, an in depth analysis of his personality, the Russian connections etc

Roll one hour / two hour documentaries on all the major media outlets.

The problem with that is that, like most egotistical bullies, Trump is, at the bottom of it, terribly boring. No-one would be watching after the first 15 minutes.

Yes agree that he is a boring bragger

But they need to get rid of him.

“They” will get a chance. That’s the beauty of the system. I for one don’t go for the shrill over wrought fears that he will appoint himself el presidente for life.

In 1,095 days, President Trump has made 16,241 false or misleading claims

Most repeated claims

“The economy is the best it’s ever been in — we have never had an economy like this in history.”
Fact Check:

The president can certainly brag about the state of the economy, but he runs into trouble when he makes a play for the history books. By just about any important measure, the economy today is not doing as well as it did under Presidents Dwight D. Eisenhower, Lyndon B. Johnson or Bill Clinton — or Ulysses S. Grant.

from the link

AwesomeO said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

The problem with that is that, like most egotistical bullies, Trump is, at the bottom of it, terribly boring. No-one would be watching after the first 15 minutes.

Yes agree that he is a boring bragger

But they need to get rid of him.

“They” will get a chance. That’s the beauty of the system. I for one don’t go for the shrill over wrought fears that he will appoint himself el presidente for life.

surely only dumb repubs are that ignorant of the american system to actually think like that and they would probably love it.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

If I were a candidate I’d take the punt on refusing debates. Just act like he doesn’t exist or doesn’t matter.

There is a greater than middling chance that Trump will win again. Ignoring him certainly won’t help.

Trump’s primary strategy will be outright lies, not debate. You can’t debate with someone like that without being made to look foolish. The better option is not to debate him and control your own message. You have to make him irrelevant so his lies don’t gain traction. You can’t fight an honest campaign against outright lies.

I dunno, he has some good numbers to point to. If anything he has gained popularity with impeachment, it has confirmed his status as an outsider.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

If I were a candidate I’d take the punt on refusing debates. Just act like he doesn’t exist or doesn’t matter.

There is a greater than middling chance that Trump will win again. Ignoring him certainly won’t help.

Trump’s primary strategy will be outright lies, not debate. You can’t debate with someone like that without being made to look foolish. The better option is not to debate him and control your own message. You have to make him irrelevant so his lies don’t gain traction. You can’t fight an honest campaign against outright lies.

There is a need for some kind of on the fly fact checking.

AwesomeO said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

The problem with that is that, like most egotistical bullies, Trump is, at the bottom of it, terribly boring. No-one would be watching after the first 15 minutes.

Yes agree that he is a boring bragger

But they need to get rid of him.

“They” will get a chance. That’s the beauty of the system. I for one don’t go for the shrill over wrought fears that he will appoint himself el presidente for life.

That’s just hyperbole of the greatest extent and you’d have to be crazy in the coconut to consider it a real possibility.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

I wonder how someone ends up like Bolt

Range of things

Racist values
Bad fact finding
Getting facts wrong
Spreading Misinformation and hate
Not thinking things through properly
etc

I don’t think he is a good thinker, a destructive columnist and radio announcer.

Plenty of them around, Alan Jones et al.

What do you do with A Pig Like THIS?

Why, you award him the Presidential Medal of Freedom
…of COARSE!

>head explodes<

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe someone can collect all the wrong things his done, the crimes in the past, grabbing women inappropriately , his bad business practices, the way he treats people, an in depth analysis of his personality, the Russian connections etc

Roll one hour / two hour documentaries on all the major media outlets.

Bloomberg is prepared to spend big regardless of the candidate.

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Yes agree that he is a boring bragger

But they need to get rid of him.

“They” will get a chance. That’s the beauty of the system. I for one don’t go for the shrill over wrought fears that he will appoint himself el presidente for life.

That’s just hyperbole of the greatest extent and you’d have to be crazy in the coconut to consider it a real possibility.

I don’t think it is a possibility, but others who write for the guardian do.

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe someone can collect all the wrong things his done, the crimes in the past, grabbing women inappropriately , his bad business practices, the way he treats people, an in depth analysis of his personality, the Russian connections etc

Roll one hour / two hour documentaries on all the major media outlets.

The problem with that is that, like most egotistical bullies, Trump is, at the bottom of it, terribly boring. No-one would be watching after the first 15 minutes.

He doesn’t appeal to us, but there are millions of people who just lap it up.

AwesomeO said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

There is a greater than middling chance that Trump will win again. Ignoring him certainly won’t help.

Trump’s primary strategy will be outright lies, not debate. You can’t debate with someone like that without being made to look foolish. The better option is not to debate him and control your own message. You have to make him irrelevant so his lies don’t gain traction. You can’t fight an honest campaign against outright lies.

I dunno, he has some good numbers to point to. If anything he has gained popularity with impeachment, it has confirmed his status as an outsider.

This is why you can’t beat him with conventional politics. You got to do something outside the normal to be a bit of an outsider yourself.

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Yes agree that he is a boring bragger

But they need to get rid of him.

“They” will get a chance. That’s the beauty of the system. I for one don’t go for the shrill over wrought fears that he will appoint himself el presidente for life.

That’s just hyperbole of the greatest extent and you’d have to be crazy in the coconut to consider it a real possibility.

that’s what I said.

AwesomeO said:

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

“They” will get a chance. That’s the beauty of the system. I for one don’t go for the shrill over wrought fears that he will appoint himself el presidente for life.

That’s just hyperbole of the greatest extent and you’d have to be crazy in the coconut to consider it a real possibility.

I don’t think it is a possibility, but others who write for the guardian do.

See “crazy in the coconut”.

:)

This is Trumps lie database run by the Washington Post, its now at 16,241.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?utm_term=.b04b1667f114&tid=lk_inline_manual_2&tid=lk_inline_manual_3&tid=lk_inline_manual_4

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

“They” will get a chance. That’s the beauty of the system. I for one don’t go for the shrill over wrought fears that he will appoint himself el presidente for life.

That’s just hyperbole of the greatest extent and you’d have to be crazy in the coconut to consider it a real possibility.

that’s what I said.

I don’t read your posts.

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

“They” will get a chance. That’s the beauty of the system. I for one don’t go for the shrill over wrought fears that he will appoint himself el presidente for life.

That’s just hyperbole of the greatest extent and you’d have to be crazy in the coconut to consider it a real possibility.

that’s what I said.

So, on that note of agreement

AwesomeO said:

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

“They” will get a chance. That’s the beauty of the system. I for one don’t go for the shrill over wrought fears that he will appoint himself el presidente for life.

That’s just hyperbole of the greatest extent and you’d have to be crazy in the coconut to consider it a real possibility.

I don’t think it is a possibility, but others who write for the guardian do.

who?

AwesomeO said:

I dunno, he has some good numbers to point to.

Thankfully things like federal budget deficits don’t matter anymore.

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

That’s just hyperbole of the greatest extent and you’d have to be crazy in the coconut to consider it a real possibility.

that’s what I said.

I don’t read your posts.

You don’t have to, they have the ability just to seep into your consciousness without any effort on your part.

ChrispenEvan said:

AwesomeO said:

sibeen said:

That’s just hyperbole of the greatest extent and you’d have to be crazy in the coconut to consider it a real possibility.

I don’t think it is a possibility, but others who write for the guardian do.

who?

Point taken, no one ever in the Guardian has opined that Trump will not accept an electoral process.

rolls eyes

Witty Rejoinder said:

AwesomeO said:

I dunno, he has some good numbers to point to.

Thankfully things like federal budget deficits don’t matter anymore.

Not when you’re at the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. That’s the headline.

AwesomeO said:

ChrispenEvan said:

AwesomeO said:

I don’t think it is a possibility, but others who write for the guardian do.

who?

Point taken, no one ever in the Guardian has opined that Trump will not accept an electoral process.

rolls eyes

what? answer the question. which writer has stated that they fear trump will appoint himself for life?

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

AwesomeO said:

I dunno, he has some good numbers to point to.

Thankfully things like federal budget deficits don’t matter anymore.

Not when you’re at the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. That’s the headline.

Like China

ChrispenEvan said:

AwesomeO said:

ChrispenEvan said:

who?

Point taken, no one ever in the Guardian has opined that Trump will not accept an electoral process.

rolls eyes

what? answer the question. which writer has stated that they fear trump will appoint himself for life?

Yeah I track the Guardian pretty closely and I haven’t seen any journalist make that claim.

The comments section, on the other hand …

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

AwesomeO said:

I dunno, he has some good numbers to point to.

Thankfully things like federal budget deficits don’t matter anymore.

Not when you’re at the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. That’s the headline.

So we’re at the top of a boom and still running deficits?

ChrispenEvan said:

AwesomeO said:

ChrispenEvan said:

who?

Point taken, no one ever in the Guardian has opined that Trump will not accept an electoral process.

rolls eyes

what? answer the question. which writer has stated that they fear trump will appoint himself for life?

Grace Panetta ?

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-tweets-video-showing-him-president-forever-after-acquittal-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

ChrispenEvan said:

AwesomeO said:

ChrispenEvan said:

who?

Point taken, no one ever in the Guardian has opined that Trump will not accept an electoral process.

rolls eyes

what? answer the question. which writer has stated that they fear trump will appoint himself for life?

Or comments. I can’t be arsed looking, but if you think it has never happened to win a minor debating point have at it.

ChrispenEvan said:

AwesomeO said:

ChrispenEvan said:

who?

Point taken, no one ever in the Guardian has opined that Trump will not accept an electoral process.

rolls eyes

what? answer the question. which writer has stated that they fear trump will appoint himself for life?

‘WHAT IS THE COLOUR OF THE BOAT HOUSE AT HEREFORD?”

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

AwesomeO said:

Point taken, no one ever in the Guardian has opined that Trump will not accept an electoral process.

rolls eyes

what? answer the question. which writer has stated that they fear trump will appoint himself for life?

Yeah I track the Guardian pretty closely and I haven’t seen any journalist make that claim.

The comments section, on the other hand …

i guess they might be considered writers…

Tau.Neutrino said:

ChrispenEvan said:

AwesomeO said:

Point taken, no one ever in the Guardian has opined that Trump will not accept an electoral process.

rolls eyes

what? answer the question. which writer has stated that they fear trump will appoint himself for life?

Grace Panetta ?

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-tweets-video-showing-him-president-forever-after-acquittal-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

That’s a video from Trump, not Grace Panetta.

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

AwesomeO said:

Point taken, no one ever in the Guardian has opined that Trump will not accept an electoral process.

rolls eyes

what? answer the question. which writer has stated that they fear trump will appoint himself for life?

‘WHAT IS THE COLOUR OF THE BOAT HOUSE AT HEREFORD?”

That was sloppy. Deniro didn’t pronounce Hereford right. Someone should have picked it up.

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

ChrispenEvan said:

what? answer the question. which writer has stated that they fear trump will appoint himself for life?

Grace Panetta ?

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-tweets-video-showing-him-president-forever-after-acquittal-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

That’s a video from Trump, not Grace Panetta.

Trump tweets video showing him running for president indefinitely

So the delegates have been allocated in Iowa.

Buttigieg 13
Sanders 12
Warren 8
Biden 6
Klobuchar 1

dv said:

So the delegates have been allocated in Iowa.

Buttigieg 13
Sanders 12
Warren 8
Biden 6
Klobuchar 1

Interesting.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

So the delegates have been allocated in Iowa.

Buttigieg 13
Sanders 12
Warren 8
Biden 6
Klobuchar 1

Interesting.

How does Buttigieg get votes when no ones heard of him?

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

So the delegates have been allocated in Iowa.

Buttigieg 13
Sanders 12
Warren 8
Biden 6
Klobuchar 1

Interesting.

How does Buttigieg get votes when no ones heard of him?

Possibly because people have heard of the others.

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

So the delegates have been allocated in Iowa.

Buttigieg 13
Sanders 12
Warren 8
Biden 6
Klobuchar 1

Interesting.

How does Buttigieg get votes when no ones heard of him?

Impressive ground campaign in Iowa plus he’s from a neighbouring state. And also just because you haven’t heard of someone doesn’t mean other people do as well.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/

Thanks for posting that SM. May we live in interesting times…

Only 53 per cent of Sanders voters say they will certainly support whomever is the Democratic nominee. This is no idle threat. In 2016, in Pennsylvania, 117,000 Sanders primary voters went for Trump in the general, and Trump won the state by 44,292 ballots. In Michigan, 48,000 Sanders voters went for Trump, and Trump won the state by 10,704. In Wisconsin, 51,300 Sanders voters went for Trump, and Trump won the state by 22,748. In short, Sanders voters helped elect Trump

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/from-carnage-to-confidence-how-trump-wins-again-20200207-p53yqs.html

Crazy mixed up folk don’t know what they want…

Witty Rejoinder said:

Only 53 per cent of Sanders voters say they will certainly support whomever is the Democratic nominee. This is no idle threat. In 2016, in Pennsylvania, 117,000 Sanders primary voters went for Trump in the general, and Trump won the state by 44,292 ballots. In Michigan, 48,000 Sanders voters went for Trump, and Trump won the state by 10,704. In Wisconsin, 51,300 Sanders voters went for Trump, and Trump won the state by 22,748. In short, Sanders voters helped elect Trump

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/from-carnage-to-confidence-how-trump-wins-again-20200207-p53yqs.html

Crazy mixed up folk don’t know what they want…

So what your saying is that Sanders attracts some of the votes that would otherwise go to Trump…

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Only 53 per cent of Sanders voters say they will certainly support whomever is the Democratic nominee. This is no idle threat. In 2016, in Pennsylvania, 117,000 Sanders primary voters went for Trump in the general, and Trump won the state by 44,292 ballots. In Michigan, 48,000 Sanders voters went for Trump, and Trump won the state by 10,704. In Wisconsin, 51,300 Sanders voters went for Trump, and Trump won the state by 22,748. In short, Sanders voters helped elect Trump

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/from-carnage-to-confidence-how-trump-wins-again-20200207-p53yqs.html

Crazy mixed up folk don’t know what they want…

So what your saying is that Sanders attracts some of the votes that would otherwise go to Trump…

No. I would suggest that some of those who support Sander’s arguments against neoliberal economics seem to also think that Trump also shares their concerns. I would argue that he does not.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Only 53 per cent of Sanders voters say they will certainly support whomever is the Democratic nominee. This is no idle threat. In 2016, in Pennsylvania, 117,000 Sanders primary voters went for Trump in the general, and Trump won the state by 44,292 ballots. In Michigan, 48,000 Sanders voters went for Trump, and Trump won the state by 10,704. In Wisconsin, 51,300 Sanders voters went for Trump, and Trump won the state by 22,748. In short, Sanders voters helped elect Trump

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/from-carnage-to-confidence-how-trump-wins-again-20200207-p53yqs.html

Crazy mixed up folk don’t know what they want…

So what your saying is that Sanders attracts some of the votes that would otherwise go to Trump…

Also it is plainly not just about Sanders this and Sanders that. If Sanders supporters are that parochial that they will not vote for the Democrat nominee, whoever that may be, they deserve what muck they crawled out from.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Only 53 per cent of Sanders voters say they will certainly support whomever is the Democratic nominee. This is no idle threat. In 2016, in Pennsylvania, 117,000 Sanders primary voters went for Trump in the general, and Trump won the state by 44,292 ballots. In Michigan, 48,000 Sanders voters went for Trump, and Trump won the state by 10,704. In Wisconsin, 51,300 Sanders voters went for Trump, and Trump won the state by 22,748. In short, Sanders voters helped elect Trump

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/from-carnage-to-confidence-how-trump-wins-again-20200207-p53yqs.html

Crazy mixed up folk don’t know what they want…

So what your saying is that Sanders attracts some of the votes that would otherwise go to Trump…

Also it is plainly not just about Sanders this and Sanders that. If Sanders supporters are that parochial that they will not vote for the Democrat nominee, whoever that may be, they deserve what muck they crawled out from.

But would you vote for the other Democrat nominees? The Democrats only hope is impeachment and how hopeful is that?

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

So what your saying is that Sanders attracts some of the votes that would otherwise go to Trump…

Also it is plainly not just about Sanders this and Sanders that. If Sanders supporters are that parochial that they will not vote for the Democrat nominee, whoever that may be, they deserve what muck they crawled out from.

But would you vote for the other Democrat nominees? The Democrats only hope is impeachment and how hopeful is that?

Trump is so bad for the US and the world that I would vote for a chimp in a suit if he has a nice enough tie,.

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

So what your saying is that Sanders attracts some of the votes that would otherwise go to Trump…

Also it is plainly not just about Sanders this and Sanders that. If Sanders supporters are that parochial that they will not vote for the Democrat nominee, whoever that may be, they deserve what muck they crawled out from.

But would you vote for the other Democrat nominees? The Democrats only hope is impeachment and how hopeful is that?

Not much without Obi-Wan Kenobi.

I wonder what is motivating some of the minor candidates to remain in. It’s expensive. Sure, Steyer, Yang and Bloomberg are bona fide billionaires so they can stick around as a vanity project. Klobuchar did well enough in Iowa to at least give her some hope. So that’s eight, eight candidates who can reasonably stay in the race.
Bennet, Gabbard, Patrick are not going to reach any more debates, I think. The first two are Congresspeople and maybe should focus on their day jobs.

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Also it is plainly not just about Sanders this and Sanders that. If Sanders supporters are that parochial that they will not vote for the Democrat nominee, whoever that may be, they deserve what muck they crawled out from.

But would you vote for the other Democrat nominees? The Democrats only hope is impeachment and how hopeful is that?

Trump is so bad for the US and the world that I would vote for a chimp in a suit if he has a nice enough tie,.

Unfortunately there are too many Americans who think otherwise. They like his tie!

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Also it is plainly not just about Sanders this and Sanders that. If Sanders supporters are that parochial that they will not vote for the Democrat nominee, whoever that may be, they deserve what muck they crawled out from.

But would you vote for the other Democrat nominees? The Democrats only hope is impeachment and how hopeful is that?

Not much without Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Not even the force can fix US politics.

dv said:

I wonder what is motivating some of the minor candidates to remain in. It’s expensive. Sure, Steyer, Yang and Bloomberg are bona fide billionaires so they can stick around as a vanity project. Klobuchar did well enough in Iowa to at least give her some hope. So that’s eight, eight candidates who can reasonably stay in the race.
Bennet, Gabbard, Patrick are not going to reach any more debates, I think. The first two are Congresspeople and maybe should focus on their day jobs.

Yang’s not a billionaire.

The US needs a new political model, the current model is a mess.

Polls close in New Hampshire shortly, and hopefully things will be a bit more orderly than they were in Iowa. NH uses a normal primary system: secret ballot, tick one.

Sanders is the short odds favourite but the delegates are distributed proportionally so a solid second or third is meaningful.

dv said:

Polls close in New Hampshire shortly, and hopefully things will be a bit more orderly than they were in Iowa. NH uses a normal primary system: secret ballot, tick one.

Sanders is the short odds favourite but the delegates are distributed proportionally so a solid second or third is meaningful.

Biden has taken some knocks in the polls in California and other major states. His stronghold remains the South, from Texas through to South Carolina.

Joe Walsh has dropped out of the race to be the Republican nominee, leaving only Trump and Weld.

Yang has dropped out of the race.

Michael Bennet has also dropped out of the Democratic Primary. This may come as a shock to many who had no idea that he was running.

sibeen said:

Michael Bennet has also dropped out of the Democratic Primary. This may come as a shock to many who had no idea that he was running.

You kinda have to ask why he even bothered. Must have cost a lot just to get started.

sibeen said:

Yang has dropped out of the race.

What happened to Ying?

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

Yang has dropped out of the race.

What happened to Ying?

Does the opposite so just entered the race.

sibeen said:

Yang has dropped out of the race.

Personal opinion here but I think we are going to see a 3 or 4 way contested convention

Klobuchar has surprised.

Tom Steyer has just pulled out. That’s three gone today.

sibeen said:

That’s three gone today.

Excellent. Keep ‘em coming.

sibeen said:

Klobuchar has surprised.

Tom Steyer has just pulled out. That’s three gone today.

meh.. Biden, Warren, Sanders and Mayor Pete will go to the convention

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

Klobuchar has surprised.

Tom Steyer has just pulled out. That’s three gone today.

meh.. Biden, Warren, Sanders and Mayor Pete will go to the convention

Warren is not looking flash. 10% today in a State she was supposed to do well in. Be interesting to see how Buttigieg goes in the next few weeks. I have no idea what anyone sees in him.

Fuck me, an opinion piece in the NYT is calling for Michael Bloomberg to become the Democrat candidate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/opinion/bloomberg-president-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

sibeen said:

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

Klobuchar has surprised.

Tom Steyer has just pulled out. That’s three gone today.

meh.. Biden, Warren, Sanders and Mayor Pete will go to the convention

Warren is not looking flash. 10% today in a State she was supposed to do well in. Be interesting to see how Buttigieg goes in the next few weeks. I have no idea what anyone sees in him.

what?? Mayor Pete is the best candidate

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

diddly-squat said:

meh.. Biden, Warren, Sanders and Mayor Pete will go to the convention

Warren is not looking flash. 10% today in a State she was supposed to do well in. Be interesting to see how Buttigieg goes in the next few weeks. I have no idea what anyone sees in him.

what?? Mayor Pete is the best candidate

Bernie is just too left
Biden is just too old
Warren would be great, but Trump has no problem attacking her
Mayor Pete is in my mind the Dem’s best chance of beating Trump.. young, dynamic, moderate.. he’s a vet, he’s well educated and has an impressive resume…

diddly-squat said:

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

Warren is not looking flash. 10% today in a State she was supposed to do well in. Be interesting to see how Buttigieg goes in the next few weeks. I have no idea what anyone sees in him.

what?? Mayor Pete is the best candidate

Bernie is just too left
Biden is just too old
Warren would be great, but Trump has no problem attacking her
Mayor Pete is in my mind the Dem’s best chance of beating Trump.. young, dynamic, moderate.. he’s a vet, he’s well educated and has an impressive resume…

Warren is too female – would have fit your list better.

diddly-squat said:

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

Warren is not looking flash. 10% today in a State she was supposed to do well in. Be interesting to see how Buttigieg goes in the next few weeks. I have no idea what anyone sees in him.

what?? Mayor Pete is the best candidate

Bernie is just too left
Biden is just too old
Warren would be great, but Trump has no problem attacking her
Mayor Pete is in my mind the Dem’s best chance of beating Trump.. young, dynamic, moderate.. he’s a vet, he’s well educated and has an impressive resume…

Sandernistas will probably just stay home out of spite if Buttigieg gets the nom.

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

diddly-squat said:

what?? Mayor Pete is the best candidate

Bernie is just too left
Biden is just too old
Warren would be great, but Trump has no problem attacking her
Mayor Pete is in my mind the Dem’s best chance of beating Trump.. young, dynamic, moderate.. he’s a vet, he’s well educated and has an impressive resume…

Sandernistas will probably just stay home out of spite if Buttigieg gets the nom.

i thought they were criticising his diversity

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

diddly-squat said:

what?? Mayor Pete is the best candidate

Bernie is just too left
Biden is just too old
Warren would be great, but Trump has no problem attacking her
Mayor Pete is in my mind the Dem’s best chance of beating Trump.. young, dynamic, moderate.. he’s a vet, he’s well educated and has an impressive resume…

Sandernistas will probably just stay home out of spite if Buttigieg gets the nom.

I doubt that very much.. I think Dems will be out in force in Nov no matter who gets the nominations

diddly-squat said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

Bernie is just too left
Biden is just too old
Warren would be great, but Trump has no problem attacking her
Mayor Pete is in my mind the Dem’s best chance of beating Trump.. young, dynamic, moderate.. he’s a vet, he’s well educated and has an impressive resume…

Sandernistas will probably just stay home out of spite if Buttigieg gets the nom.

I doubt that very much.. I think Dems will be out in force in Nov no matter who gets the nominations

I think this time around the losing candidates will fall in behind and be endorsing the winner and urging all their supporters to get out and vote Dem.

Some commentators seem to focus on the task of picking up voters that went for Trump in 2016.

But fuck those people. 26% of people voted for Trump, 27% voted for Clinton. Maybe focus on energizing and appealing to the 47% who didn’t bother voting last time or voted for Stein/Johnson/Mcmuffin etc

Yang is gone, said his farewells.

Holy shit remember when this election was between Biden and Warren? Neither of them is going to reach double digits in New Hampshire.

dv said:

Holy shit remember when this election was between Biden and Warren? Neither of them is going to reach double digits in New Hampshire.

So how come Biden’s gone out of favour?

Too much of a target from Trump via his son?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Holy shit remember when this election was between Biden and Warren? Neither of them is going to reach double digits in New Hampshire.

So how come Biden’s gone out of favour?

Too much of a target from Trump via his son?

Well I don’t know but that might be part of it.

He’s made quite a few gaffes and maybe people are thinking it could be a liability.

Or maybe the other players have just appealed more. Klobuchar has beat predictions by a mile in Iowa and NH.

diddly-squat said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

Bernie is just too left
Biden is just too old
Warren would be great, but Trump has no problem attacking her
Mayor Pete is in my mind the Dem’s best chance of beating Trump.. young, dynamic, moderate.. he’s a vet, he’s well educated and has an impressive resume…

Sandernistas will probably just stay home out of spite if Buttigieg gets the nom.

I doubt that very much.. I think Dems will be out in force in Nov no matter who gets the nominations

Hope so. Hillary lost Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin because primary Sanders supporters voted for Trump by margins greater than the fo nal vote.

dv said:

Some commentators seem to focus on the task of picking up voters that went for Trump in 2016.

But fuck those people. 26% of people voted for Trump, 27% voted for Clinton. Maybe focus on energizing and appealing to the 47% who didn’t bother voting last time or voted for Stein/Johnson/Mcmuffin etc

I keep on reading..‘Don’t even bother try to convince Trump supporters. Go after the non voters and convince them to vote for any Democrat.’

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Holy shit remember when this election was between Biden and Warren? Neither of them is going to reach double digits in New Hampshire.

So how come Biden’s gone out of favour?

Too much of a target from Trump via his son?

Well I don’t know but that might be part of it.

He’s made quite a few gaffes and maybe people are thinking it could be a liability.

Or maybe the other players have just appealed more. Klobuchar has beat predictions by a mile in Iowa and NH.

With me it is the gaffes.

I’m glad Klobuchar is up there.

dv said:

Great news, Go Sanders !

Yikes Biden in a 5th place on 8%

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

diddly-squat said:

meh.. Biden, Warren, Sanders and Mayor Pete will go to the convention

Warren is not looking flash. 10% today in a State she was supposed to do well in. Be interesting to see how Buttigieg goes in the next few weeks. I have no idea what anyone sees in him.

what?? Mayor Pete is the best candidate

Had to go to meetings

Buttigieg has a major issue in that black voters don’t like him at all. The big issue is that he is homosexual and amoungst the black demographic that’s a no no.

dv said:

Yikes Biden in a 5th place on 8%

I hear the gentle voices calling.

sibeen said:

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

Warren is not looking flash. 10% today in a State she was supposed to do well in. Be interesting to see how Buttigieg goes in the next few weeks. I have no idea what anyone sees in him.

what?? Mayor Pete is the best candidate

Had to go to meetings

Buttigieg has a major issue in that black voters don’t like him at all. The big issue is that he is homosexual and amoungst the black demographic that’s a no no.

so much for diversity

party_pants said:

dv said:

Yikes Biden in a 5th place on 8%

I hear the gentle voices calling.

Warren 9.3%
Biden 8.4%

It may actually be worse for Warren as she was expected to do reasonably well in NH. Biden as been playing down his prospects for weeks.

FWIW Trump won the Repugnican New Hampshire primary with 85%.

Apparently Michael Bennett was still running for some reason but now he has dropped out

dv said:

Apparently Michael Bennett was still running for some reason but now he has dropped out

Might have worked for him if his name was Gordon.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Yikes Biden in a 5th place on 8%

I hear the gentle voices calling.

Old Black Joe?

sibeen said:

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

Warren is not looking flash. 10% today in a State she was supposed to do well in. Be interesting to see how Buttigieg goes in the next few weeks. I have no idea what anyone sees in him.

what?? Mayor Pete is the best candidate

Had to go to meetings

Buttigieg has a major issue in that black voters don’t like him at all. The big issue is that he is homosexual and amoungst the black demographic that’s a no no.

You appear to agree with them.

dv said:

Apparently Michael Bennett was still running for some reason but now he has dropped out

From: sibeen
ID: 1499705
Subject: re: US Election Tread
Michael Bennet has also dropped out of the Democratic Primary. This may come as a shock to many who had no idea that he was running.

:)

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

diddly-squat said:

what?? Mayor Pete is the best candidate

Had to go to meetings

Buttigieg has a major issue in that black voters don’t like him at all. The big issue is that he is homosexual and amoungst the black demographic that’s a no no.

You appear to agree with them.

Say what?

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Had to go to meetings

Buttigieg has a major issue in that black voters don’t like him at all. The big issue is that he is homosexual and amoungst the black demographic that’s a no no.

You appear to agree with them.

Say what?

You said “I have no idea what anyone sees in him”, and then when asked to explain, you said that blacks don’t like him ‘cos he’s homo.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Yikes Biden in a 5th place on 8%

I hear the gentle voices calling.

Old Black Joe?

Modern version is “poor old Joe”. We were taught this version even when I was at primary school in the late 70s and early 80s.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

I hear the gentle voices calling.

Old Black Joe?

Modern version is “poor old Joe”. We were taught this version even when I was at primary school in the late 70s and early 80s.

I learnt it long before you did.

Anyway, Trump will win. It’s just the way it is these days. US, UK & Oz have too many dumdum voters who are easy prey for the fake news outlets.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Old Black Joe?

Modern version is “poor old Joe”. We were taught this version even when I was at primary school in the late 70s and early 80s.

I learnt it long before you did.

Yes, you probably did. But since I’m the one making up the joke I based upon my own experiences. I guess the joke does not work above a certain age limit.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Had to go to meetings

Buttigieg has a major issue in that black voters don’t like him at all. The big issue is that he is homosexual and amoungst the black demographic that’s a no no.

You appear to agree with them.

Say what?

Whoooaaa. Way to conflate two completely separate ideas.

Firstly I’m supporting Bernie so don’t have to particularly like anyone else in the race. I also happen to think that Buttigieg is a bit of a nonentity who has bugger all chance of taking out the democratic nomination. A former McKinsey consultant doesn’t exactly fill me with working class love.

A s to the issues that the black demographic has with homosexuality, that’s an observation which is fairly well backed up by current polling. It has absolutely nothing to do with my personal opinion.

Bubblecar said:

Anyway, Trump will win. It’s just the way it is these days. US, UK & Oz have too many dumdum voters who are easy prey for the fake news outlets.

The Dem candidate needs to run on a slogan of “Getting Back America’s dignity” or something like that, and focus on Trump’s corruption.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Modern version is “poor old Joe”. We were taught this version even when I was at primary school in the late 70s and early 80s.

I learnt it long before you did.

Yes, you probably did. But since I’m the one making up the joke I based upon my own experiences. I guess the joke does not work above a certain age limit.

Well, it works now that I know the PC title. However I was singing it in the Police Boys Chior and playing it on the harmonica in the early sixties.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Anyway, Trump will win. It’s just the way it is these days. US, UK & Oz have too many dumdum voters who are easy prey for the fake news outlets.

The Dem candidate needs to run on a slogan of “Getting Back America’s dignity” or something like that, and focus on Trump’s corruption.

That’s actually a very good suggestion. Bring back our dignity.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

I learnt it long before you did.

Yes, you probably did. But since I’m the one making up the joke I based upon my own experiences. I guess the joke does not work above a certain age limit.

Well, it works now that I know the PC title. However I was singing it in the Police Boys Chior and playing it on the harmonica in the early sixties.

Choir.

Dunno why that happened.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Anyway, Trump will win. It’s just the way it is these days. US, UK & Oz have too many dumdum voters who are easy prey for the fake news outlets.

The Dem candidate needs to run on a slogan of “Getting Back America’s dignity” or something like that, and focus on Trump’s corruption.

Make America’s Dignity Great Again.

Time line every bit of corruption.

Deconstruct his personality, his misinformation war, his war on the free press, his climate denial etc

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

You appear to agree with them.

Say what?

Whoooaaa. Way to conflate two completely separate ideas.

Firstly I’m supporting Bernie so don’t have to particularly like anyone else in the race. I also happen to think that Buttigieg is a bit of a nonentity who has bugger all chance of taking out the democratic nomination. A former McKinsey consultant doesn’t exactly fill me with working class love.

A s to the issues that the black demographic has with homosexuality, that’s an observation which is fairly well backed up by current polling. It has absolutely nothing to do with my personal opinion.

I know little about any of them, I’m not paying it much attention.

But lots of working class Americans love billionaire crook Trump, so I doubt that’s much of an issue.

The Tories in UK and Coalition here also rely heavily on working class votes.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

You appear to agree with them.

Say what?

Whoooaaa. Way to conflate two completely separate ideas.

Firstly I’m supporting Bernie so don’t have to particularly like anyone else in the race. I also happen to think that Buttigieg is a bit of a nonentity who has bugger all chance of taking out the democratic nomination. A former McKinsey consultant doesn’t exactly fill me with working class love.

A s to the issues that the black demographic has with homosexuality, that’s an observation which is fairly well backed up by current polling. It has absolutely nothing to do with my personal opinion.

not sure the multi-millionaire Sanders is much of a working class hero either…

but yes, Biden should have Super Tuesday sewn up.. but one thing is clear, not Pete, nor Bernie and most certainly not Joe are dropping out yet any time soon.. and I think Elizabeth will do so either.

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Say what?

Whoooaaa. Way to conflate two completely separate ideas.

Firstly I’m supporting Bernie so don’t have to particularly like anyone else in the race. I also happen to think that Buttigieg is a bit of a nonentity who has bugger all chance of taking out the democratic nomination. A former McKinsey consultant doesn’t exactly fill me with working class love.

A s to the issues that the black demographic has with homosexuality, that’s an observation which is fairly well backed up by current polling. It has absolutely nothing to do with my personal opinion.

not sure the multi-millionaire Sanders is much of a working class hero either…

but yes, Biden should have Super Tuesday sewn up.. but one thing is clear, not Pete, nor Bernie and most certainly not Joe are dropping out yet any time soon.. and I think Elizabeth will do so either.

I also agree that the perception is that Pete has a real problem with getting the black coalition to support him

diddly-squat said:

not sure the multi-millionaire Sanders is much of a working class hero either…

If he’s going to give them a public health system and the metric system they might forgive him for being a rich old white man.

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Say what?

Whoooaaa. Way to conflate two completely separate ideas.

Firstly I’m supporting Bernie so don’t have to particularly like anyone else in the race. I also happen to think that Buttigieg is a bit of a nonentity who has bugger all chance of taking out the democratic nomination. A former McKinsey consultant doesn’t exactly fill me with working class love.

A s to the issues that the black demographic has with homosexuality, that’s an observation which is fairly well backed up by current polling. It has absolutely nothing to do with my personal opinion.

I know little about any of them, I’m not paying it much attention.

But lots of working class Americans love billionaire crook Trump, so I doubt that’s much of an issue.

The Tories in UK and Coalition here also rely heavily on working class votes.

The working class can kiss my arse…………..

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Whoooaaa. Way to conflate two completely separate ideas.

Firstly I’m supporting Bernie so don’t have to particularly like anyone else in the race. I also happen to think that Buttigieg is a bit of a nonentity who has bugger all chance of taking out the democratic nomination. A former McKinsey consultant doesn’t exactly fill me with working class love.

A s to the issues that the black demographic has with homosexuality, that’s an observation which is fairly well backed up by current polling. It has absolutely nothing to do with my personal opinion.

I know little about any of them, I’m not paying it much attention.

But lots of working class Americans love billionaire crook Trump, so I doubt that’s much of an issue.

The Tories in UK and Coalition here also rely heavily on working class votes.

The working class can kiss my arse…………..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tXBC-71aZs

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Whoooaaa. Way to conflate two completely separate ideas.

Firstly I’m supporting Bernie so don’t have to particularly like anyone else in the race. I also happen to think that Buttigieg is a bit of a nonentity who has bugger all chance of taking out the democratic nomination. A former McKinsey consultant doesn’t exactly fill me with working class love.

A s to the issues that the black demographic has with homosexuality, that’s an observation which is fairly well backed up by current polling. It has absolutely nothing to do with my personal opinion.

I know little about any of them, I’m not paying it much attention.

But lots of working class Americans love billionaire crook Trump, so I doubt that’s much of an issue.

The Tories in UK and Coalition here also rely heavily on working class votes.

The working class can kiss my arse…………..

Not into arse kissing.

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

I know little about any of them, I’m not paying it much attention.

But lots of working class Americans love billionaire crook Trump, so I doubt that’s much of an issue.

The Tories in UK and Coalition here also rely heavily on working class votes.

The working class can kiss my arse…………..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tXBC-71aZs

How did Joe go?

Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The working class can kiss my arse…………..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tXBC-71aZs

How did Joe go?

5th, just behind Warren.

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tXBC-71aZs

How did Joe go?

5th, just behind Warren.

biden his time maybe…

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

How did Joe go?

5th, just behind Warren.

biden his time maybe…

2028 baby

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Say what?

Whoooaaa. Way to conflate two completely separate ideas.

Firstly I’m supporting Bernie so don’t have to particularly like anyone else in the race. I also happen to think that Buttigieg is a bit of a nonentity who has bugger all chance of taking out the democratic nomination. A former McKinsey consultant doesn’t exactly fill me with working class love.

A s to the issues that the black demographic has with homosexuality, that’s an observation which is fairly well backed up by current polling. It has absolutely nothing to do with my personal opinion.

not sure the multi-millionaire Sanders is much of a working class hero either…

but yes, Biden should have Super Tuesday sewn up.. but one thing is clear, not Pete, nor Bernie and most certainly not Joe are dropping out yet any time soon.. and I think Elizabeth will do so either.

“ Biden should have Super Tuesday sewn up”

I dunno, man. He’s had some bad polls.

Still, the polls have been pretty fucked so far so who even knows.

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

How did Joe go?

5th, just behind Warren.

biden his time maybe…

once Biden, twice Sanders¿

diddly-squat said:

not sure the multi-millionaire Sanders is much of a working class hero either…

(shrugs) That’s who votes for him, mostly.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3655

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

not sure the multi-millionaire Sanders is much of a working class hero either…

(shrugs) That’s who votes for him, mostly.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3655

strange we thought collège éducation was left leaning but perhaps not that left