Date: 8/02/2020 14:44:52
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1497780
Subject: The internet may break apart

Society has only had a global internet for a few decades and it has already changed almost every aspect of life. The innovations aren’t likely to stop any time soon, either. Global communication has been a revolution in human existence. That’s why the idea that it may soon disappear is so frightening. Dubbed by experts as “The Splinternet” or the “Internet Cold War,” it’s reaching a point where a global internet becomes a problem for countries who can’t get along with each other offline, either.

Essentially, The Splinternet will be multiple concurrent internets that aren’t connected, but are separated based on regions or ideologies or any other things, according to The BBC. These parallel internets will be difficult or even impossible to go between, cutting humankind off from one another and allowing for insular, more tightly-controlled networks. This is especially appealing for more authoritarian countries, but even countries that simply have different laws for dealing with things on the internet might begin to seek out alternative regional networks.

Russia is already in the process of launching their own, separate internet, according to PC Magazine. North Korea is believed to have had one for several years, and China has a de facto isolated internet thanks to the so-called Great Firewall, which blocks access to anything the Chinese government deems to be a problem. In just a few years, you might see a direct schism between the open internet and a more locked-down, authoritarian-friendly version.

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Date: 8/02/2020 14:55:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1497789
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

PermeateFree said:


Society has only had a global internet for a few decades and it has already changed almost every aspect of life. The innovations aren’t likely to stop any time soon, either. Global communication has been a revolution in human existence. That’s why the idea that it may soon disappear is so frightening. Dubbed by experts as “The Splinternet” or the “Internet Cold War,” it’s reaching a point where a global internet becomes a problem for countries who can’t get along with each other offline, either.

Essentially, The Splinternet will be multiple concurrent internets that aren’t connected, but are separated based on regions or ideologies or any other things, according to The BBC. These parallel internets will be difficult or even impossible to go between, cutting humankind off from one another and allowing for insular, more tightly-controlled networks. This is especially appealing for more authoritarian countries, but even countries that simply have different laws for dealing with things on the internet might begin to seek out alternative regional networks.

Russia is already in the process of launching their own, separate internet, according to PC Magazine. North Korea is believed to have had one for several years, and China has a de facto isolated internet thanks to the so-called Great Firewall, which blocks access to anything the Chinese government deems to be a problem. In just a few years, you might see a direct schism between the open internet and a more locked-down, authoritarian-friendly version.

So we haven’t really ever had a global internet after all, the conclusion undermines the premise, and LIFE goes on, makes sense.

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Date: 8/02/2020 18:43:41
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1497885
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Enjoy it while it lasts.

I’ve been expecting the www to vanish behind a pay wall for quite some time.

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Date: 8/02/2020 18:45:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1497887
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

mollwollfumble said:


Enjoy it while it lasts.

I’ve been expecting the www to vanish behind a pay wall for quite some time.

It kind of already is, isp’s

Still free at libraries and cafes etc

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Date: 8/02/2020 18:50:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1497892
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

mollwollfumble said:


Enjoy it while it lasts.

I’ve been expecting the www to vanish behind a pay wall for quite some time.

Why would they put it behind a paywall when they can make way more money from advertising?

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Date: 8/02/2020 18:52:28
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1497893
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

Enjoy it while it lasts.

I’ve been expecting the www to vanish behind a pay wall for quite some time.

Why would they put it behind a paywall when they can make way more money from advertising?

Some newspapers haven’t woken up to this trick yet.

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Date: 9/02/2020 03:32:12
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1498049
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

Enjoy it while it lasts.

I’ve been expecting the www to vanish behind a pay wall for quite some time.

Why would they put it behind a paywall when they can make way more money from advertising?

Because someone with half a brain is going to realise, some time in the future, that advertising doesn’t pay.

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Date: 9/02/2020 07:10:56
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1498055
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

mollwollfumble said:

Because someone with half a brain is going to realise, some time in the future, that advertising doesn’t pay.

Ref?

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Date: 9/02/2020 07:51:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 1498057
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

Enjoy it while it lasts.

I’ve been expecting the www to vanish behind a pay wall for quite some time.

Why would they put it behind a paywall when they can make way more money from advertising?


Because most would turn off the advertising.

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Date: 9/02/2020 08:16:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1498062
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

mollwollfumble said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Enjoy it while it lasts.

I’ve been expecting the www to vanish behind a pay wall for quite some time.

Why would they put it behind a paywall when they can make way more money from advertising?

Because someone with half a brain is going to realise, some time in the future, that advertising doesn’t pay.

I heard that they wouldn’t do it unless people bought the stuff. So it must be controlling the minds of the gullible?

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Date: 9/02/2020 09:39:37
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1498081
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

roughbarked said:


mollwollfumble said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Why would they put it behind a paywall when they can make way more money from advertising?

Because someone with half a brain is going to realise, some time in the future, that advertising doesn’t pay.

I heard that they wouldn’t do it unless people bought the stuff. So it must be controlling the minds of the gullible?

advertising is not just for the gullible. do people not compare items before they buy? it is all “advertising” of some description. no one is immune from advertising.

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Date: 9/02/2020 09:51:21
From: Tamb
ID: 1498088
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

ChrispenEvan said:


roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Because someone with half a brain is going to realise, some time in the future, that advertising doesn’t pay.

I heard that they wouldn’t do it unless people bought the stuff. So it must be controlling the minds of the gullible?

advertising is not just for the gullible. do people not compare items before they buy? it is all “advertising” of some description. no one is immune from advertising.


I ignore it until I need something, then it’s very useful.

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Date: 9/02/2020 09:58:57
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1498090
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

That lovely pastor on tv this morning said that Satan is the world’s greatest marketer, for getting people to believe he doesn’t exist.

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Date: 9/02/2020 09:59:04
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1498091
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Tamb said:


ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

I heard that they wouldn’t do it unless people bought the stuff. So it must be controlling the minds of the gullible?

advertising is not just for the gullible. do people not compare items before they buy? it is all “advertising” of some description. no one is immune from advertising.


I ignore it until I need something, then it’s very useful.

I do find it a little irritating when organisations I renew with a company I subscribe to, and they promptly donate some of my money to Google so they can tell me all about how great the organisation I’ve just subscribed to is.

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Date: 9/02/2020 10:00:45
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1498094
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

advertising is not just for the gullible. do people not compare items before they buy? it is all “advertising” of some description. no one is immune from advertising.


I ignore it until I need something, then it’s very useful.

I do find it a little irritating when organisations I renew with a company I subscribe to, and they promptly donate some of my money to Google so they can tell me all about how great the organisation I’ve just subscribed to is.

block their cookies if you don’t want their advertising.

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Date: 9/02/2020 10:02:25
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1498096
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

ChrispenEvan said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

I ignore it until I need something, then it’s very useful.

I do find it a little irritating when organisations I renew with a company I subscribe to, and they promptly donate some of my money to Google so they can tell me all about how great the organisation I’ve just subscribed to is.

block their cookies if you don’t want their advertising.

Can’t be bothered, I just ignore them.

Blocking the cookies doesn’t stop them wasting my money.

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Date: 9/02/2020 10:17:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1498102
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

The Rev Dodgson said:


ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I do find it a little irritating when organisations I renew with a company I subscribe to, and they promptly donate some of my money to Google so they can tell me all about how great the organisation I’ve just subscribed to is.

block their cookies if you don’t want their advertising.

Can’t be bothered, I just ignore them.

Blocking the cookies doesn’t stop them wasting my money.

but if everyone did it then they wouldn’t.

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Date: 9/02/2020 10:25:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1498106
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

ChrispenEvan said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

block their cookies if you don’t want their advertising.

Can’t be bothered, I just ignore them.

Blocking the cookies doesn’t stop them wasting my money.

but if everyone did it then they wouldn’t.

But then the Internet would break apart.

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Date: 9/02/2020 10:41:13
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1498108
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

The Rev Dodgson said:


ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Can’t be bothered, I just ignore them.

Blocking the cookies doesn’t stop them wasting my money.

but if everyone did it then they wouldn’t.

But then the Internet would break apart.

pfffft. we have the technology. we will rebuild it. stronger faster, ok not faster…

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Date: 9/02/2020 11:37:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1498141
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Advertising is like herbal medicine.

Sometimes it works, mostly it doesn’t.

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Date: 19/07/2024 19:52:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2176932
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Bet they’re

Today’s tech outage is possibly the biggest in history, and illustrates how strong of a hold a small part of the internet has on the world’s population.

“It’s completely unprecedented historically,” ABC’s national technology reporter Ange Lavoipierre says. “We’ve never seen anything on this scale. In fact, never seen anything even close. “Really, what this does is it highlights the risk of what they call in the industry market consolidation, which is a fancy way of saying — too much of the global economy relying on too few tech companies, just a handful, for critical services. “It will be a long recovery, is what I’m hearing, because these things are painstaking to respond to.”

kicking themselves now.

This is not really unprecedented at all though: many sites use cross origin scripts which could break or be taken down at any time, leaving their dependencies nonfunctional. It has been reported on in the past though we can’t find the articles quickly just now.

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Date: 19/07/2024 20:08:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2176934
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

SCIENCE said:

Bet they’re

Today’s tech outage is possibly the biggest in history, and illustrates how strong of a hold a small part of the internet has on the world’s population.

“It’s completely unprecedented historically,” ABC’s national technology reporter Ange Lavoipierre says. “We’ve never seen anything on this scale. In fact, never seen anything even close. “Really, what this does is it highlights the risk of what they call in the industry market consolidation, which is a fancy way of saying — too much of the global economy relying on too few tech companies, just a handful, for critical services. “It will be a long recovery, is what I’m hearing, because these things are painstaking to respond to.”

kicking themselves now.

This is not really unprecedented at all though: many sites use cross origin scripts which could break or be taken down at any time, leaving their dependencies nonfunctional. It has been reported on in the past though we can’t find the articles quickly just now.

Speaking of kicking, here is something along those

https://qz.com/646467/how-one-programmer-broke-the-internet-by-deleting-a-tiny-piece-of-code

lines, 11 of them in fact.

Less relatedly below.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jun/08/edge-cloud-error-tuesday-internet-outage-fastly-speed

That code can be used to add characters to the beginning of a string of text, perhaps a zero to the beginning of a zip code. It’s a single-purpose function, simple enough for most programmers to write themselves. Lots of npm packages, however, relied on left-pad to do it for them, which is how this tiny bit of code became so important.

idiotic

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Date: 19/07/2024 20:15:05
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2176935
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Bet they’re

Today’s tech outage is possibly the biggest in history, and illustrates how strong of a hold a small part of the internet has on the world’s population.

“It’s completely unprecedented historically,” ABC’s national technology reporter Ange Lavoipierre says. “We’ve never seen anything on this scale. In fact, never seen anything even close. “Really, what this does is it highlights the risk of what they call in the industry market consolidation, which is a fancy way of saying — too much of the global economy relying on too few tech companies, just a handful, for critical services. “It will be a long recovery, is what I’m hearing, because these things are painstaking to respond to.”

kicking themselves now.

This is not really unprecedented at all though: many sites use cross origin scripts which could break or be taken down at any time, leaving their dependencies nonfunctional. It has been reported on in the past though we can’t find the articles quickly just now.

Speaking of kicking, here is something along those

https://qz.com/646467/how-one-programmer-broke-the-internet-by-deleting-a-tiny-piece-of-code

lines, 11 of them in fact.

Less relatedly below.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jun/08/edge-cloud-error-tuesday-internet-outage-fastly-speed

That code can be used to add characters to the beginning of a string of text, perhaps a zero to the beginning of a zip code. It’s a single-purpose function, simple enough for most programmers to write themselves. Lots of npm packages, however, relied on left-pad to do it for them, which is how this tiny bit of code became so important.

idiotic

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Date: 19/07/2024 20:35:51
From: Kingy
ID: 2176939
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Dark Orange said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Bet they’re

Today’s tech outage is possibly the biggest in history, and illustrates how strong of a hold a small part of the internet has on the world’s population.

“It’s completely unprecedented historically,” ABC’s national technology reporter Ange Lavoipierre says. “We’ve never seen anything on this scale. In fact, never seen anything even close. “Really, what this does is it highlights the risk of what they call in the industry market consolidation, which is a fancy way of saying — too much of the global economy relying on too few tech companies, just a handful, for critical services. “It will be a long recovery, is what I’m hearing, because these things are painstaking to respond to.”

kicking themselves now.

This is not really unprecedented at all though: many sites use cross origin scripts which could break or be taken down at any time, leaving their dependencies nonfunctional. It has been reported on in the past though we can’t find the articles quickly just now.

Speaking of kicking, here is something along those

https://qz.com/646467/how-one-programmer-broke-the-internet-by-deleting-a-tiny-piece-of-code

lines, 11 of them in fact.

Less relatedly below.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jun/08/edge-cloud-error-tuesday-internet-outage-fastly-speed

That code can be used to add characters to the beginning of a string of text, perhaps a zero to the beginning of a zip code. It’s a single-purpose function, simple enough for most programmers to write themselves. Lots of npm packages, however, relied on left-pad to do it for them, which is how this tiny bit of code became so important.

idiotic


I was going to post that, but I got home from work too late.

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Date: 19/07/2024 20:47:56
From: 19 shillings
ID: 2176943
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Kingy said:


Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Speaking of kicking, here is something along those

https://qz.com/646467/how-one-programmer-broke-the-internet-by-deleting-a-tiny-piece-of-code

lines, 11 of them in fact.

Less relatedly below.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jun/08/edge-cloud-error-tuesday-internet-outage-fastly-speed

That code can be used to add characters to the beginning of a string of text, perhaps a zero to the beginning of a zip code. It’s a single-purpose function, simple enough for most programmers to write themselves. Lots of npm packages, however, relied on left-pad to do it for them, which is how this tiny bit of code became so important.

idiotic


I was going to post that, but I got home from work too late.

Yeah, always have cash on you, and a stash of cash for the inevitable internet big breakdown.
It might be human error, it might be cyberwar, it might be a cme.

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Date: 19/07/2024 20:49:56
From: poikilotherm
ID: 2176945
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

19 shillings said:


Kingy said:

Dark Orange said:


I was going to post that, but I got home from work too late.

Yeah, always have cash on you, and a stash of cash for the inevitable internet big breakdown.
It might be human error, it might be cyberwar, it might be a cme.

Cash wasn’t functioning at Coles or Woolies here as their drawers are computer controlled. EFT terminals still functioned…

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Date: 19/07/2024 20:51:38
From: Kingy
ID: 2176946
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

19 shillings said:


Kingy said:

Dark Orange said:


I was going to post that, but I got home from work too late.

Yeah, always have cash on you, and a stash of cash for the inevitable internet big breakdown.
It might be human error, it might be cyberwar, it might be a cme.

I have a backup generator for the inevitable CME, and a couple of solar panels to change the battery bank just in case.

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Date: 19/07/2024 20:51:39
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2176948
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

poikilotherm said:


19 shillings said:

Kingy said:

I was going to post that, but I got home from work too late.

Yeah, always have cash on you, and a stash of cash for the inevitable internet big breakdown.
It might be human error, it might be cyberwar, it might be a cme.

Cash wasn’t functioning at Coles or Woolies here as their drawers are computer controlled. EFT terminals still functioned…

LOL

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Date: 19/07/2024 20:52:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2176949
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Kingy said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Speaking of kicking, here is something along those

https://qz.com/646467/how-one-programmer-broke-the-internet-by-deleting-a-tiny-piece-of-code

lines, 11 of them in fact.

Less relatedly below.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jun/08/edge-cloud-error-tuesday-internet-outage-fastly-speed

That code can be used to add characters to the beginning of a string of text, perhaps a zero to the beginning of a zip code. It’s a single-purpose function, simple enough for most programmers to write themselves. Lots of npm packages, however, relied on left-pad to do it for them, which is how this tiny bit of code became so important.

idiotic

I was going to post that, but I got home from work too late.

Ah well as long as it’s cross-origin linked then if the source goes down we won’t be able to see the image from this Forum¡

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Date: 19/07/2024 20:55:01
From: 19 shillings
ID: 2176950
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

poikilotherm said:


19 shillings said:

Kingy said:

I was going to post that, but I got home from work too late.

Yeah, always have cash on you, and a stash of cash for the inevitable internet big breakdown.
It might be human error, it might be cyberwar, it might be a cme.

Cash wasn’t functioning at Coles or Woolies here as their drawers are computer controlled. EFT terminals still functioned…

Haha, they don’t accept cash as payment?
What a fantastic and fragile world, technology has given us.

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Date: 19/07/2024 20:55:15
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2176951
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

19 shillings said:


Kingy said:

Dark Orange said:


I was going to post that, but I got home from work too late.

Yeah, always have cash on you, and a stash of cash for the inevitable internet big breakdown.
It might be human error, it might be cyberwar, it might be a cme.

North Queensland had a day of no internet connectivity during the floods in SEQ a few years ago. It was surprising how much we rely on technology.
No eftpos, no ATMs, most TV channels went off the air, no airport checkin, no phones (landline or mobile) no taxis or uber, no 000 etc.

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Date: 19/07/2024 20:57:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2176952
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Dark Orange said:

19 shillings said:

Kingy said:

I was going to post that, but I got home from work too late.

Yeah, always have cash on you, and a stash of cash for the inevitable internet big breakdown.
It might be human error, it might be cyberwar, it might be a cme.

North Queensland had a day of no internet connectivity during the floods in SEQ a few years ago. It was surprising how much we rely on technology.
No eftpos, no ATMs, most TV channels went off the air, no airport checkin, no phones (landline or mobile) no taxis or uber, no 000 etc.

Yeah who doesn’t remember this fun little

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-09/how-the-optus-outage-played-out/103079768

adventure just last year too.

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Date: 19/07/2024 20:58:51
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2176953
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Dark Orange said:


19 shillings said:

Kingy said:

I was going to post that, but I got home from work too late.

Yeah, always have cash on you, and a stash of cash for the inevitable internet big breakdown.
It might be human error, it might be cyberwar, it might be a cme.

North Queensland had a day of no internet connectivity during the floods in SEQ a few years ago. It was surprising how much we rely on technology.
No eftpos, no ATMs, most TV channels went off the air, no airport checkin, no phones (landline or mobile) no taxis or uber, no 000 etc.

Blimey, and I suppose you just had to talk………among yourselves, how did you cope?

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Date: 19/07/2024 21:03:47
From: Kingy
ID: 2176955
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Dark Orange said:


19 shillings said:

Kingy said:

I was going to post that, but I got home from work too late.

Yeah, always have cash on you, and a stash of cash for the inevitable internet big breakdown.
It might be human error, it might be cyberwar, it might be a cme.

North Queensland had a day of no internet connectivity during the floods in SEQ a few years ago. It was surprising how much we rely on technology.
No eftpos, no ATMs, most TV channels went off the air, no airport checkin, no phones (landline or mobile) no taxis or uber, no 000 etc.

Every time that happens, I wonder what the backup system is.

A lot of people rely on the internet and don’t have a backup for when it inevitably fails.

Back in the day, there was the old card swiping machine that took the card details on an imprinter.

Not many people have them anymore. They are still useful.

Especially today.

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Date: 19/07/2024 21:15:52
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2176958
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Peak Warming Man said:


Dark Orange said:

19 shillings said:

Yeah, always have cash on you, and a stash of cash for the inevitable internet big breakdown.
It might be human error, it might be cyberwar, it might be a cme.

North Queensland had a day of no internet connectivity during the floods in SEQ a few years ago. It was surprising how much we rely on technology.
No eftpos, no ATMs, most TV channels went off the air, no airport checkin, no phones (landline or mobile) no taxis or uber, no 000 etc.

Blimey, and I suppose you just had to talk………among yourselves, how did you cope?

lashings of XXXX.

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Date: 19/07/2024 21:19:31
From: buffy
ID: 2176959
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Kingy said:


Dark Orange said:

19 shillings said:

Yeah, always have cash on you, and a stash of cash for the inevitable internet big breakdown.
It might be human error, it might be cyberwar, it might be a cme.

North Queensland had a day of no internet connectivity during the floods in SEQ a few years ago. It was surprising how much we rely on technology.
No eftpos, no ATMs, most TV channels went off the air, no airport checkin, no phones (landline or mobile) no taxis or uber, no 000 etc.

Every time that happens, I wonder what the backup system is.

A lot of people rely on the internet and don’t have a backup for when it inevitably fails.

Back in the day, there was the old card swiping machine that took the card details on an imprinter.

Not many people have them anymore. They are still useful.

Especially today.

I still had a couple I had to get rid of when I closed the practice. I had to return the imprint plates and bin the plastic bit. However…and that was 5 years ago…getting the paper forms was getting more and more difficult then. We used them when we had a two week outage of phones/eftpos etc in 2012. But being a rural community, a lot of people still had cheque books that they could use too.

Link to relevent article

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Date: 19/07/2024 21:29:37
From: dv
ID: 2176960
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Damn this is a blast from the past

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Date: 19/07/2024 21:53:04
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2176967
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

poikilotherm said:


19 shillings said:

Kingy said:

I was going to post that, but I got home from work too late.

Yeah, always have cash on you, and a stash of cash for the inevitable internet big breakdown.
It might be human error, it might be cyberwar, it might be a cme.

Cash wasn’t functioning at Coles or Woolies here as their drawers are computer controlled. EFT terminals still functioned…

Having cash drawers that don’t work during an Internet outage is just dumb.

It’s not like this is the first time there has ever been an outage anywhere.

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Date: 19/07/2024 22:03:30
From: dv
ID: 2176969
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

SCIENCE said:

Bet they’re

Today’s tech outage is possibly the biggest in history, and illustrates how strong of a hold a small part of the internet has on the world’s population.

“It’s completely unprecedented historically,” ABC’s national technology reporter Ange Lavoipierre says. “We’ve never seen anything on this scale. In fact, never seen anything even close. “Really, what this does is it highlights the risk of what they call in the industry market consolidation, which is a fancy way of saying — too much of the global economy relying on too few tech companies, just a handful, for critical services. “It will be a long recovery, is what I’m hearing, because these things are painstaking to respond to.”

kicking themselves now.

This is not really unprecedented at all though: many sites use cross origin scripts which could break or be taken down at any time, leaving their dependencies nonfunctional. It has been reported on in the past though we can’t find the articles quickly just now.

I literally had no connection problems today and am learning about this problem from the Holiday Forum.

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Date: 19/07/2024 22:15:51
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2176972
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

Bet they’re

Today’s tech outage is possibly the biggest in history, and illustrates how strong of a hold a small part of the internet has on the world’s population.

“It’s completely unprecedented historically,” ABC’s national technology reporter Ange Lavoipierre says. “We’ve never seen anything on this scale. In fact, never seen anything even close. “Really, what this does is it highlights the risk of what they call in the industry market consolidation, which is a fancy way of saying — too much of the global economy relying on too few tech companies, just a handful, for critical services. “It will be a long recovery, is what I’m hearing, because these things are painstaking to respond to.”

kicking themselves now.

This is not really unprecedented at all though: many sites use cross origin scripts which could break or be taken down at any time, leaving their dependencies nonfunctional. It has been reported on in the past though we can’t find the articles quickly just now.

I literally had no connection problems today and am learning about this problem from the Holiday Forum.

Same here. I even ordered and paid for a take-away meal on-line.

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Date: 19/07/2024 22:17:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2176973
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Bet they’re

Today’s tech outage is possibly the biggest in history, and illustrates how strong of a hold a small part of the internet has on the world’s population.

“It’s completely unprecedented historically,” ABC’s national technology reporter Ange Lavoipierre says. “We’ve never seen anything on this scale. In fact, never seen anything even close. “Really, what this does is it highlights the risk of what they call in the industry market consolidation, which is a fancy way of saying — too much of the global economy relying on too few tech companies, just a handful, for critical services. “It will be a long recovery, is what I’m hearing, because these things are painstaking to respond to.”

kicking themselves now.

This is not really unprecedented at all though: many sites use cross origin scripts which could break or be taken down at any time, leaving their dependencies nonfunctional. It has been reported on in the past though we can’t find the articles quickly just now.

I literally had no connection problems today and am learning about this problem from the Holiday Forum.

Same here. I even ordered and paid for a take-away meal on-line.

Yeah we did our shopping and refuelling yesterday and walked around trees on rocks this afternoon so first read about it here.

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Date: 19/07/2024 22:25:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2176979
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

allegedly

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Date: 19/07/2024 22:33:59
From: furious
ID: 2176983
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I literally had no connection problems today and am learning about this problem from the Holiday Forum.

Same here. I even ordered and paid for a take-away meal on-line.

Yeah we did our shopping and refuelling yesterday and walked around trees on rocks this afternoon so first read about it here.

Yeah, well, not sure it affected private citizens as much as it did large organisations with their foot planted firmly in the cloud…

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Date: 19/07/2024 22:41:27
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2176988
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

furious said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Same here. I even ordered and paid for a take-away meal on-line.

Yeah we did our shopping and refuelling yesterday and walked around trees on rocks this afternoon so first read about it here.

Yeah, well, not sure it affected private citizens as much as it did large organisations with their foot planted firmly in the cloud…

Just checked a Onedrive link to a company I’m doing some work for and even that is working.

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Date: 19/07/2024 22:45:25
From: furious
ID: 2176992
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

The Rev Dodgson said:


furious said:

SCIENCE said:

Yeah we did our shopping and refuelling yesterday and walked around trees on rocks this afternoon so first read about it here.

Yeah, well, not sure it affected private citizens as much as it did large organisations with their foot planted firmly in the cloud…

Just checked a Onedrive link to a company I’m doing some work for and even that is working.

And onedrive isn’t azure…

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Date: 19/07/2024 22:51:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2176997
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

furious said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

Yeah, well, not sure it affected private citizens as much as it did large organisations with their foot planted firmly in the cloud…

Just checked a Onedrive link to a company I’m doing some work for and even that is working.

And onedrive isn’t azure…

It’s just azure that’s down is it?

That’s all right then :)

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Date: 19/07/2024 22:55:29
From: furious
ID: 2176998
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

The Rev Dodgson said:


furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Just checked a Onedrive link to a company I’m doing some work for and even that is working.

And onedrive isn’t azure…

It’s just azure that’s down is it?

That’s all right then :)

Yes, very specific to azure, it seems, and the crowdstrike “protection” therein…

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Date: 19/07/2024 23:01:19
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2177001
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

furious said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

And onedrive isn’t azure…

It’s just azure that’s down is it?

That’s all right then :)

Yes, very specific to azure, it seems, and the crowdstrike “protection” therein…

Mind-you, its all in the same box anyway

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Date: 19/07/2024 23:22:15
From: dv
ID: 2177007
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

furious said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Same here. I even ordered and paid for a take-away meal on-line.

Yeah we did our shopping and refuelling yesterday and walked around trees on rocks this afternoon so first read about it here.

Yeah, well, not sure it affected private citizens as much as it did large organisations with their foot planted firmly in the cloud…

So what’s with the Cash Is King avalanche

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Date: 19/07/2024 23:24:55
From: furious
ID: 2177008
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

dv said:


furious said:

SCIENCE said:

Yeah we did our shopping and refuelling yesterday and walked around trees on rocks this afternoon so first read about it here.

Yeah, well, not sure it affected private citizens as much as it did large organisations with their foot planted firmly in the cloud…

So what’s with the Cash Is King avalanche

Because many retailers have a toe in the blue cloud…

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Date: 19/07/2024 23:37:35
From: dv
ID: 2177016
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

furious said:


dv said:

furious said:

Yeah, well, not sure it affected private citizens as much as it did large organisations with their foot planted firmly in the cloud…

So what’s with the Cash Is King avalanche

Because many retailers have a toe in the blue cloud…

My point is that I encountered no problem with retailers.

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Date: 19/07/2024 23:38:47
From: furious
ID: 2177017
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

dv said:


furious said:

dv said:

So what’s with the Cash Is King avalanche

Because many retailers have a toe in the blue cloud…

My point is that I encountered no problem with retailers.

Well, then problem solved, didn’t affect you so everything’s good…

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Date: 19/07/2024 23:40:22
From: dv
ID: 2177019
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

furious said:


dv said:

furious said:

Because many retailers have a toe in the blue cloud…

My point is that I encountered no problem with retailers.

Well, then problem solved, didn’t affect you so everything’s good…

Well I wouldn’t go that far…

Perhaps it only affected certain banks or something and I got lucky

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Date: 19/07/2024 23:41:36
From: Kingy
ID: 2177020
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

dv said:


furious said:

dv said:

My point is that I encountered no problem with retailers.

Well, then problem solved, didn’t affect you so everything’s good…

Well I wouldn’t go that far…

Perhaps it only affected certain banks or something and I got lucky

My bank is down, I can’t log in or pay bills.

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Date: 19/07/2024 23:42:44
From: furious
ID: 2177021
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Kingy said:


dv said:

furious said:

Well, then problem solved, didn’t affect you so everything’s good…

Well I wouldn’t go that far…

Perhaps it only affected certain banks or something and I got lucky

My bank is down, I can’t log in or pay bills.

My workplace, not a bank, is/was down…

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Date: 19/07/2024 23:43:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2177022
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Kingy said:


dv said:

furious said:

Well, then problem solved, didn’t affect you so everything’s good…

Well I wouldn’t go that far…

Perhaps it only affected certain banks or something and I got lucky

My bank is down, I can’t log in or pay bills.

My bank is unaffected.

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Date: 19/07/2024 23:55:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2177027
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

OK we admit it we were pretty much bludging today which is why we didn’t really experience any impact from this unsubtle 爱 takeover attempt.

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Date: 19/07/2024 23:57:43
From: party_pants
ID: 2177028
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

SCIENCE said:

OK we admit it we were pretty much bludging today which is why we didn’t really experience any impact from this unsubtle 爱 takeover attempt.

I heard nothing about this until i got home from work and started reading the forum.

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Date: 20/07/2024 00:16:24
From: Kingy
ID: 2177034
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

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Date: 20/07/2024 00:28:15
From: btm
ID: 2177036
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Kingy said:



Back in the late 80s, when the internet was still experimental, a university student named Robert Morris (aka RTM) wrote and released a worm that infected thousands of machines, bringing the internet to a virtual standstill. Writing in the book The Cuckoo’s Egg in 1989, Clifford Stoll commented that the great benefit of having computers from many different manufacturers and operating systems was that the worm was limited to only those machines that run a particular form of Unix. Almost 40 years later, we seem to have learned nothing.

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Date: 20/07/2024 00:40:19
From: Kingy
ID: 2177042
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

btm said:


Kingy said:



Back in the late 80s, when the internet was still experimental, a university student named *xxx wrote and released a program that infected took over all the machines in the universities system, bringing the universities network to a virtual standstill.

Just to process a Mandelbrot zoom.

He was summarily punished the next day, and didn’t get to finish his degree in information science.

It wasn’t even a good zoom :/

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Date: 20/07/2024 00:46:02
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2177045
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Kingy said:


btm said:

Kingy said:



Back in the late 80s, when the internet was still experimental, a university student named *xxx wrote and released a program that infected took over all the machines in the universities system, bringing the universities network to a virtual standstill.

Just to process a Mandelbrot zoom.

He was summarily punished the next day, and didn’t get to finish his degree in information science.

  • Name withheld to protect the guilty.

It wasn’t even a good zoom :/

I remember being astounded by Mandelbrot animations on a TV documentary in those days, and then being disappointed by how slow and clunky they were on a home computer.

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Date: 20/07/2024 07:39:55
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2177123
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Peak Warming Man said:


Dark Orange said:

19 shillings said:

Yeah, always have cash on you, and a stash of cash for the inevitable internet big breakdown.
It might be human error, it might be cyberwar, it might be a cme.

North Queensland had a day of no internet connectivity during the floods in SEQ a few years ago. It was surprising how much we rely on technology.
No eftpos, no ATMs, most TV channels went off the air, no airport checkin, no phones (landline or mobile) no taxis or uber, no 000 etc.

Blimey, and I suppose you just had to talk………among yourselves, how did you cope?

It was actually quite surreal being in a little information bubble with no news from the outside world. Kind of like camping, but with the the whole town is camping with you.

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Date: 20/07/2024 09:09:26
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2177140
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Dark Orange said:


Kind of like camping, but with the the whole town is camping with you.

shudder. at the whole town bit only. seems though a lot of people in WA like that. I follow a couple of WA camping FB pages and most places on the coast here sound like that. though having a 30’ van hardly sounds like camping to me.

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Date: 20/07/2024 09:16:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2177141
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

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Date: 20/07/2024 09:21:00
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2177142
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

ChrispenEvan said:



Hah. Just got shared that by a mate in a Viber chat group.

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Date: 20/07/2024 09:23:43
From: poikilotherm
ID: 2177143
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

What a shitshow – who needs wmds when you’ve got 40kb of incompetence.

Have 4/16 terminals still fkd. IT password protected safe mode so just have to wait.

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Date: 20/07/2024 09:30:54
From: poikilotherm
ID: 2177151
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

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Date: 20/07/2024 09:35:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2177153
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

poikilotherm said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

Fuck CHINA¡

I may be a while.

LOL

What a shitshow – who needs wmds when you’ve got 40kb of incompetence.

Have 4/16 terminals still fkd. IT password protected safe mode so just have to wait.

Damn It Dirty ChrispenEvan Was Right ¡

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Date: 20/07/2024 09:37:18
From: poikilotherm
ID: 2177154
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

Peak Warming Man said:

LOL

What a shitshow – who needs wmds when you’ve got 40kb of incompetence.

Have 4/16 terminals still fkd. IT password protected safe mode so just have to wait.

Damn It Dirty ChrispenEvan Was Right ¡

I’d would have put him as left leaning to be honest.

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Date: 20/07/2024 09:38:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2177155
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

poikilotherm said:


Wait Until Autonomous Vehicles Start Running On Cloud Computed … wait oh shit oh.

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Date: 20/07/2024 09:40:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2177156
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

What a shitshow – who needs wmds when you’ve got 40kb of incompetence.

Have 4/16 terminals still fkd. IT password protected safe mode so just have to wait.

Damn It Dirty ChrispenEvan Was Right ¡

I’d would have put him as left leaning to be honest.

(λ)

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Date: 20/07/2024 21:08:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2177510
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:


Wait Until Autonomous Vehicles Start Running On Cloud Computed … wait oh shit oh.

LOL nice try that’s probably Windows 3.11

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Date: 20/07/2024 21:39:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2177515
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

Never Again Lockdowns Never Ever ¡

https://x.com/US_Stormwatch/status/1814268813879206397



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Date: 23/07/2024 20:38:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2178439
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

Fuck CHINA¡

I may be a while.

LOL

What a shitshow – who needs wmds when you’ve got 40kb of incompetence.

Have 4/16 terminals still fkd. IT password protected safe mode so just have to wait.

Damn It Dirty ChrispenEvan Was Right ¡

I’d would have put him as left leaning to be honest.

(λ)

Fuck CHINA¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-23/why-asia-was-less-crippled-by-the-crowdstrike-outage/104126594

Chinese cybersecurity firms say the CrowdStrike outage highlights the superiority of their products over US technology.

“Since Chinese enterprises mainly use domestic antivirus software and they were less affected by this incident, this has enhanced the trust of domestic users in domestic network security software,” The Global Times tabloid declared.

No ὕβρις Here ¡

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Date: 26/07/2024 14:00:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2179365
Subject: re: The internet may break apart

SCIENCE said:

No ὕβρις Here ¡

No backfiring

Virtual gift cards offered by Cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike to those who aided customers through the global IT outage have been blocked and flagged for potential fraud by Uber.

either¡

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