Date: 8/02/2020 21:40:17
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1497990
Subject: New Environment rating system for all products

Would a rating system for all products help the environment ?

An environmentally friendly label for products that last a long time.

and an environmentally hostile label for cheap products that don’t last very long.

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Date: 8/02/2020 21:48:17
From: party_pants
ID: 1497998
Subject: re: New Environment rating system for all products

Probably not much help, unless consumers actually use it.

Absolutely no chance of getting international agreement on a workable system with integrity and credibility.

Maybe if you started your own system, but who has got the resources for that?

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Date: 9/02/2020 02:37:55
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1498043
Subject: re: New Environment rating system for all products

See Good Scientist Cartoon “Star Rating of Star Ratings”

Most environmental rating systems are total rubbish. For example with washing machines, the environmental rating system currently in place ignores the size of the washing machine. The environmental rating systems for heaters and air conditioners are also rubbish for similar reasons – they don’t take into account the frequency with which the devices are used.

The only great rating system I’m aware of is accommodation, and that has nothing to do with the environment.

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Date: 9/02/2020 09:05:56
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1498069
Subject: re: New Environment rating system for all products

party_pants said:


Probably not much help, unless consumers actually use it.

Absolutely no chance of getting international agreement on a workable system with integrity and credibility.

Maybe if you started your own system, but who has got the resources for that?

So what we need is a system that puts a price on GHG emissions and pays a price for GHG absorptions. That way the future costs of the manufacture and use of the article would be reflected in the price.

It’s just liberal economic good sense.

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Date: 9/02/2020 09:36:24
From: Michael V
ID: 1498078
Subject: re: New Environment rating system for all products

The Rev Dodgson said:


party_pants said:

Probably not much help, unless consumers actually use it.

Absolutely no chance of getting international agreement on a workable system with integrity and credibility.

Maybe if you started your own system, but who has got the resources for that?

So what we need is a system that puts a price on GHG emissions and pays a price for GHG absorptions. That way the future costs of the manufacture and use of the article would be reflected in the price.

It’s just liberal economic good sense.

But that’d be just a big fat new tax, says Tony.

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Date: 9/02/2020 09:39:32
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1498080
Subject: re: New Environment rating system for all products

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

Probably not much help, unless consumers actually use it.

Absolutely no chance of getting international agreement on a workable system with integrity and credibility.

Maybe if you started your own system, but who has got the resources for that?

So what we need is a system that puts a price on GHG emissions and pays a price for GHG absorptions. That way the future costs of the manufacture and use of the article would be reflected in the price.

It’s just liberal economic good sense.

But that’d be just a big fat new tax, says Tony.

Tony’s dead man.

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Date: 9/02/2020 09:46:04
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1498084
Subject: re: New Environment rating system for all products

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

Probably not much help, unless consumers actually use it.

Absolutely no chance of getting international agreement on a workable system with integrity and credibility.

Maybe if you started your own system, but who has got the resources for that?

So what we need is a system that puts a price on GHG emissions and pays a price for GHG absorptions. That way the future costs of the manufacture and use of the article would be reflected in the price.

It’s just liberal economic good sense.

But that’d be just a big fat new tax, says Tony.

Unfortunately it’s not just Tony.

Surely there must be at least some people inside the Liberal party that support liberal economic principles though?

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Date: 9/02/2020 10:51:02
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1498112
Subject: re: New Environment rating system for all products

The Rev Dodgson said:


party_pants said:

Probably not much help, unless consumers actually use it.

Absolutely no chance of getting international agreement on a workable system with integrity and credibility.

Maybe if you started your own system, but who has got the resources for that?

So what we need is a system that puts a price on GHG emissions and pays a price for GHG absorptions. That way the future costs of the manufacture and use of the article would be reflected in the price.

It’s just liberal economic good sense.

What’s your GHC emission rating for bushfires?

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Date: 9/02/2020 10:53:08
From: Tamb
ID: 1498114
Subject: re: New Environment rating system for all products

mollwollfumble said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

Probably not much help, unless consumers actually use it.

Absolutely no chance of getting international agreement on a workable system with integrity and credibility.

Maybe if you started your own system, but who has got the resources for that?

So what we need is a system that puts a price on GHG emissions and pays a price for GHG absorptions. That way the future costs of the manufacture and use of the article would be reflected in the price.

It’s just liberal economic good sense.

What’s your GHC emission rating for bushfires?


Not necessary. Blame Global Warming then do nothing about it.

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Date: 9/02/2020 10:58:02
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1498115
Subject: re: New Environment rating system for all products

mollwollfumble said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

Probably not much help, unless consumers actually use it.

Absolutely no chance of getting international agreement on a workable system with integrity and credibility.

Maybe if you started your own system, but who has got the resources for that?

So what we need is a system that puts a price on GHG emissions and pays a price for GHG absorptions. That way the future costs of the manufacture and use of the article would be reflected in the price.

It’s just liberal economic good sense.

What’s your GHC emission rating for bushfires?

I don’t understand the question.

You just estimate the GHG emissions from the bushfire/s in question, the same as any other source. Probably easiest to do it once a year, and maybe base the emission fee on 10 year running average.

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Date: 9/02/2020 11:50:24
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1498154
Subject: re: New Environment rating system for all products

I know what we need!

We need an environmental rating scheme for people.

What’s your environmental rating?

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Date: 9/02/2020 11:52:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1498156
Subject: re: New Environment rating system for all products

mollwollfumble said:


I know what we need!

We need an environmental rating scheme for people.

What’s your environmental rating?

No, we need a carbon price/tax.

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