Cheap clothing and cheap products are contributing to human caused global warming.

Shoes that last 3 months, cheap clothing that rubs, 40 dollar fans or 30 dollar heaters that start vibrating loud after 6 months etc

Cheap clothing and cheap products which need to be replaced on an ongoing basis are all contributing to dragging resources from the environment in an unsustainable way.

These companies should be fined millions of dollars until they change their economic philosophy.

Cheap products also exploit the poor.

Over half the planet is poor.

No one discusses it much.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cheap clothing and cheap products are contributing to human caused global warming.

Shoes that last 3 months, cheap clothing that rubs, 40 dollar fans or 30 dollar heaters that start vibrating loud after 6 months etc

Cheap clothing and cheap products which need to be replaced on an ongoing basis are all contributing to dragging resources from the environment in an unsustainable way.

These companies should be fined millions of dollars until they change their economic philosophy.

I have bought $14 fans. I have a $20 fan that has lasted more than 15 years. And I use it a lot.

Fans are cheaper to buy and run than air conditioners, and use far far less electricity.

I think your assertion around fans breaks down.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cheap clothing and cheap products are contributing to human caused global warming.

Shoes that last 3 months, cheap clothing that rubs, 40 dollar fans or 30 dollar heaters that start vibrating loud after 6 months etc

Cheap clothing and cheap products which need to be replaced on an ongoing basis are all contributing to dragging resources from the environment in an unsustainable way.

These companies should be fined millions of dollars until they change their economic philosophy.

We could buy better quality goods.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cheap clothing and cheap products are contributing to human caused global warming.

Shoes that last 3 months, cheap clothing that rubs, 40 dollar fans or 30 dollar heaters that start vibrating loud after 6 months etc

Cheap clothing and cheap products which need to be replaced on an ongoing basis are all contributing to dragging resources from the environment in an unsustainable way.

These companies should be fined millions of dollars until they change their economic philosophy.

so their workers get a pay rise? and what about all the poor people who need cheap stuff but suddenly find everything is expensive?

Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cheap clothing and cheap products are contributing to human caused global warming.

Shoes that last 3 months, cheap clothing that rubs, 40 dollar fans or 30 dollar heaters that start vibrating loud after 6 months etc

Cheap clothing and cheap products which need to be replaced on an ongoing basis are all contributing to dragging resources from the environment in an unsustainable way.

These companies should be fined millions of dollars until they change their economic philosophy.

I have bought $14 fans. I have a $20 fan that has lasted more than 15 years. And I use it a lot.

Fans are cheaper to buy and run than air conditioners, and use far far less electricity.

I think your assertion around fans breaks down.

What about the fans that do break down after 3 months ?

There are different companies that make different products at different qualities.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cheap clothing and cheap products are contributing to human caused global warming.

Shoes that last 3 months, cheap clothing that rubs, 40 dollar fans or 30 dollar heaters that start vibrating loud after 6 months etc

Cheap clothing and cheap products which need to be replaced on an ongoing basis are all contributing to dragging resources from the environment in an unsustainable way.

These companies should be fined millions of dollars until they change their economic philosophy.

I have bought $14 fans. I have a $20 fan that has lasted more than 15 years. And I use it a lot.

Fans are cheaper to buy and run than air conditioners, and use far far less electricity.

I think your assertion around fans breaks down.

What about the fans that do break down after 3 months ?

There are different companies that make different products at different qualities.

Like Makita & Maktek.

Tamb said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

I have bought $14 fans. I have a $20 fan that has lasted more than 15 years. And I use it a lot.

Fans are cheaper to buy and run than air conditioners, and use far far less electricity.

I think your assertion around fans breaks down.

What about the fans that do break down after 3 months ?

There are different companies that make different products at different qualities.

Like Makita & Maktek.

Unbranded products are also a problem.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cheap clothing and cheap products are contributing to human caused global warming.

Shoes that last 3 months, cheap clothing that rubs, 40 dollar fans or 30 dollar heaters that start vibrating loud after 6 months etc

Cheap clothing and cheap products which need to be replaced on an ongoing basis are all contributing to dragging resources from the environment in an unsustainable way.

These companies should be fined millions of dollars until they change their economic philosophy.

I have bought $14 fans. I have a $20 fan that has lasted more than 15 years. And I use it a lot.

Fans are cheaper to buy and run than air conditioners, and use far far less electricity.

I think your assertion around fans breaks down.

What about the fans that do break down after 3 months ?

There are different companies that make different products at different qualities.

>>>>>What about the fans that do break down after 3 months ?

You have remedies in consumer law. They come with a 12 month warranty, by law. So take it up with the place you bought it from.

Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

I have bought $14 fans. I have a $20 fan that has lasted more than 15 years. And I use it a lot.

Fans are cheaper to buy and run than air conditioners, and use far far less electricity.

I think your assertion around fans breaks down.

What about the fans that do break down after 3 months ?

There are different companies that make different products at different qualities.

>>>>>What about the fans that do break down after 3 months ?

You have remedies in consumer law. They come with a 12 month warranty, by law. So take it up with the place you bought it from.

Its a global problem, much bigger then people think.

Those remedies are weak with products made in other countries.

Poor people cannot afford expensive products and are being financially exploited because of it.

Tau.Neutrino said:

These companies should be fined millions of dollars until they change their economic philosophy.

Why should the companies that make that shit be fined, Mr Trio? Why not fine the people that buy it, to change their economic philosophy?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What about the fans that do break down after 3 months ?

There are different companies that make different products at different qualities.

>>>>>What about the fans that do break down after 3 months ?

You have remedies in consumer law. They come with a 12 month warranty, by law. So take it up with the place you bought it from.

Its a global problem, much bigger then people think.

Those remedies are weak with products made in other countries.

Poor people cannot afford expensive products and are being financially exploited because of it.

so what do you propose? give everyone more money? how is that going to work?make companies operate at a loss? we know the problems now give us the solutions.

I bought a pair of Grosby slippers for $30. After 2 months the soles started falling apart, there was no synthetic sole at all, the sole was made of layers of felt which just fell apart.

Woodie said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

These companies should be fined millions of dollars until they change their economic philosophy.

Why should the companies that make that shit be fined, Mr Trio? Why not fine the people that buy it, to change their economic philosophy?

Fine poor people for being poor?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Woodie said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

These companies should be fined millions of dollars until they change their economic philosophy.

Why should the companies that make that shit be fined, Mr Trio? Why not fine the people that buy it, to change their economic philosophy?

Fine poor people for being poor?

Exactly. They fine people for speeding, to stop them from speeding. They fine people dropping litter to stop them from littering. If you fine people for being poor, that’ll stop them from being poor.

ChrispenEvan said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

>>>>>What about the fans that do break down after 3 months ?

You have remedies in consumer law. They come with a 12 month warranty, by law. So take it up with the place you bought it from.

Its a global problem, much bigger then people think.

Those remedies are weak with products made in other countries.

Poor people cannot afford expensive products and are being financially exploited because of it.

so what do you propose? give everyone more money? how is that going to work?make companies operate at a loss? we know the problems now give us the solutions.

1 Federal and State Governments start an awareness campaign that companies will be fined for products made to poor standards and any shipping confiscated. (just like illegal drugs)
2 Create sanctions for companies in countries that fail to comply.

That should wake them up a bit.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I bought a pair of Grosby slippers for $30. After 2 months the soles started falling apart, there was no synthetic sole at all, the sole was made of layers of felt which just fell apart.

Take them back.

Woodie said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Woodie said:

Why should the companies that make that shit be fined, Mr Trio? Why not fine the people that buy it, to change their economic philosophy?

Fine poor people for being poor?

Exactly. They fine people for speeding, to stop them from speeding. They fine people dropping litter to stop them from littering. If you fine people for being poor, that’ll stop them from being poor.

ok, I think we should go with that.

Tau.Neutrino said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Its a global problem, much bigger then people think.

Those remedies are weak with products made in other countries.

Poor people cannot afford expensive products and are being financially exploited because of it.

so what do you propose? give everyone more money? how is that going to work?make companies operate at a loss? we know the problems now give us the solutions.

1 Federal and State Governments start an awareness campaign that companies will be fined for products made to poor standards and any shipping confiscated. (just like illegal drugs)
2 Create sanctions for companies in countries that fail to comply.

That should wake them up a bit.

and how are poor people going to afford the expensive stuff they need? Plus it is hard to fine an OS company.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Woodie said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Fine poor people for being poor?

Exactly. They fine people for speeding, to stop them from speeding. They fine people dropping litter to stop them from littering. If you fine people for being poor, that’ll stop them from being poor.

ok, I think we should go with that.

So that’s why rich people don’t pay tax.

ChrispenEvan said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

ChrispenEvan said:

so what do you propose? give everyone more money? how is that going to work?make companies operate at a loss? we know the problems now give us the solutions.

1 Federal and State Governments start an awareness campaign that companies will be fined for products made to poor standards and any shipping confiscated. (just like illegal drugs)
2 Create sanctions for companies in countries that fail to comply.

That should wake them up a bit.

and how are poor people going to afford the expensive stuff they need? Plus it is hard to fine an OS company.

Perhaps give the poor clothing vouchers but only for Australian clothes made to decent standards.

Tamb said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Woodie said:

Exactly. They fine people for speeding, to stop them from speeding. They fine people dropping litter to stop them from littering. If you fine people for being poor, that’ll stop them from being poor.

ok, I think we should go with that.

So that’s why rich people don’t pay tax.

nor do poor people.

;-)

calm down calm down this is called economic growth, it’s good for you, it’s good for your children, it’s good for everyone

Tau.Neutrino said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

1 Federal and State Governments start an awareness campaign that companies will be fined for products made to poor standards and any shipping confiscated. (just like illegal drugs)
2 Create sanctions for companies in countries that fail to comply.

That should wake them up a bit.

and how are poor people going to afford the expensive stuff they need? Plus it is hard to fine an OS company.

Perhaps give the poor clothing vouchers but only for Australian clothes made to decent standards.

like an Indue card?

ChrispenEvan said:

Tamb said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

ok, I think we should go with that.

So that’s why rich people don’t pay tax.

nor do poor people.

;-)

But a poor people tax was being mooted here.

Choof, choof.

SCIENCE said:

calm down calm down this is called economic growth, it’s good for you, it’s good for your children, it’s good for everyone

Of course, economic growth, my apologies, I completely forgot about it.

I will go and make coffee now and take my medication which I forgot to take earlier.

Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Tamb said:

So that’s why rich people don’t pay tax.

nor do poor people.

;-)

But a poor people tax was being mooted here.

I’d vote for a stupidity tax. Just tax the stupid people. That’ll stop them from being stupid.

ChrispenEvan said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

ChrispenEvan said:

and how are poor people going to afford the expensive stuff they need? Plus it is hard to fine an OS company.

Perhaps give the poor clothing vouchers but only for Australian clothes made to decent standards.

like an Indue card?

I suppose, is it bad?

Woodie said:

Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

nor do poor people.

;-)

But a poor people tax was being mooted here.

I’d vote for a stupidity tax. Just tax the stupid people. That’ll stop them from being stupid.

:)

ChrispenEvan said:

like an Indue card?

No, thanks, i’ll take the money.

Woodie said:

Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

nor do poor people.

;-)

But a poor people tax was being mooted here.

I’d vote for a stupidity tax. Just tax the stupid people. That’ll stop them from being stupid.

can’t we just kill them?

Woodie said:

Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

nor do poor people.

;-)

But a poor people tax was being mooted here.

I’d vote for a stupidity tax. Just tax the stupid people. That’ll stop them from being stupid.

They already do. It’s called indue.

ChrispenEvan said:

Woodie said:

Tamb said:

But a poor people tax was being mooted here.

I’d vote for a stupidity tax. Just tax the stupid people. That’ll stop them from being stupid.

can’t we just kill them?

Are you advocating the overthrow of the government through violence?

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Woodie said:

I’d vote for a stupidity tax. Just tax the stupid people. That’ll stop them from being stupid.

can’t we just kill them?

Are you advocating the overthrow of the government through violence?

we wouldn’t kill them violently. do it in a nice way.

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Woodie said:

I’d vote for a stupidity tax. Just tax the stupid people. That’ll stop them from being stupid.

can’t we just kill them?

Are you advocating the overthrow of the government through violence?

No. Just an overthrow of the stupid people.

ChrispenEvan said:

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

can’t we just kill them?

Are you advocating the overthrow of the government through violence?

we wouldn’t kill them violently. do it in a nice way.

We could put them in the fridge until they go dormant, and then in the freezer for 24 hours. This is what the RSPCA recommends.

https://kb.rspca.org.au/knowledge-base/what-is-the-most-humane-way-to-kill-a-cane-toad/

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Woodie said:

I’d vote for a stupidity tax. Just tax the stupid people. That’ll stop them from being stupid.

can’t we just kill them?

Are you advocating the overthrow of the government through violence?

Is that an option?

Ive taken my medication now and I feel much better.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Ive taken my medication now and I feel much better.

That’s good.

:)

I’m replacing my power boards with individually switched ones to help the environment.

I know buying more ones is not good for the environment, but at least I can give away the other ones to poor people.

Then they can dream about having switched ones.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I’m replacing my power boards with individually switched ones to help the environment.

I know buying more ones is not good for the environment, but at least I can give away the other ones to poor people.

Then they can dream about having switched ones.

i make my own power boards.

ChrispenEvan said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I’m replacing my power boards with individually switched ones to help the environment.

I know buying more ones is not good for the environment, but at least I can give away the other ones to poor people.

Then they can dream about having switched ones.

i make my own power boards.

They look to be sturdy ones.

You do understand that making cheap clothing is a carbon sequestration process, right, and ought to earn carbon credits.

mollwollfumble said:

You do understand that making cheap clothing is a carbon sequestration process, right, and ought to earn carbon credits.

hmm, well some cheap polyester? pullovers become oily.

Is there anyway of stopping that?

governments love products that don’t last

if i buy a 100 dollar box that lasts 20 – 50 years i only pay 10 dollars to the government in tax

if i buy a 10 dollar box that only lasts for 1 year i pay the government 1 dollar a year, after ten years i pay the equivalent tax to the gov but every year after i pay MORE tax

the more rubbish the more tax is being paid to the government, governments could probably see that theres a proportionate amount of rubbish to tax being paid.

the future is stupid

wookiemeister said:

governments love products that don’t last

if i buy a 100 dollar box that lasts 20 – 50 years i only pay 10 dollars to the government in tax

if i buy a 10 dollar box that only lasts for 1 year i pay the government 1 dollar a year, after ten years i pay the equivalent tax to the gov but every year after i pay MORE tax

the more rubbish the more tax is being paid to the government, governments could probably see that theres a proportionate amount of rubbish to tax being paid.

the future is stupid

you can get more revenue if you introduce another tax on rubbish so you get a double bite of the cherry

I don’t see that cheap clothing and cheap products are contributing to global warming.

Quite the reverse. In a nutshell, cost is a measure of man hours. More expensive products require more man hours to produce, and that has flow-on effects that are bad for the environment.

The problem is consumption, people have too much money.