Date: 22/02/2020 16:41:55
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1503979
Subject: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

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Date: 22/02/2020 16:47:08
From: Woodie
ID: 1503983
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Bubblecar said:


I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Allergies, Parpyone. A lot of people are allergic. Plus asprin is a blood thinner, May involves stroke. Also irritates the stomach. may cause bleeding from stomach ulcers. Take asprin only knowing you are not susceptible to the above.

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Date: 22/02/2020 16:48:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1503984
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Woodie said:


Bubblecar said:

I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Allergies, Parpyone. A lot of people are allergic. Plus asprin is a blood thinner, May involves stroke. Also irritates the stomach. may cause bleeding from stomach ulcers. Take asprin only knowing you are not susceptible to the above.

OTOH paracetamol is apparently harsh on the liver.

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Date: 22/02/2020 16:49:35
From: dv
ID: 1503985
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

I am in that minority for whom paracetamol is largely ineffective and normally would prefer aspirin. Other people find paracetamol more effective.

There are certain chronic conditions and injuries for which aspirin is not suitable. When I was injured I was told to stay off aspirin as it would delay healing. I used
Diclofenac instead and found it good enough.

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Date: 22/02/2020 16:49:49
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1503986
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Woodie said:


Bubblecar said:

I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Allergies, Parpyone. A lot of people are allergic. Plus asprin is a blood thinner, May involves stroke. Also irritates the stomach. may cause bleeding from stomach ulcers. Take asprin only knowing you are not susceptible to the above.

Also Aspirin is hard to find in Australia because the parrots eat ‘em all.

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Date: 22/02/2020 16:50:38
From: dv
ID: 1503987
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

The Rev Dodgson said:


Woodie said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Allergies, Parpyone. A lot of people are allergic. Plus asprin is a blood thinner, May involves stroke. Also irritates the stomach. may cause bleeding from stomach ulcers. Take asprin only knowing you are not susceptible to the above.

Also Aspirin is hard to find in Australia because the parrots eat ‘em all.

Another aspirin’ comedian

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Date: 22/02/2020 16:51:25
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1503988
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Woodie said:

Allergies, Parpyone. A lot of people are allergic. Plus asprin is a blood thinner, May involves stroke. Also irritates the stomach. may cause bleeding from stomach ulcers. Take asprin only knowing you are not susceptible to the above.

Also Aspirin is hard to find in Australia because the parrots eat ‘em all.

Another aspirin’ comedian

:)

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Date: 22/02/2020 16:55:20
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1503989
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Asprin is my drug of choice, it works for me if I get crook.
And by the time the ambulance driver got to you you were probably delirious.

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Date: 22/02/2020 17:01:29
From: Michael V
ID: 1503996
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Peak Warming Man said:


Asprin is my drug of choice, it works for me if I get crook.
And by the time the ambulance driver got to you you were probably delirious.

I prefer aspirin for headaches.

And on one doctor’s advice I use them together (max dose for each) for severe pain

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Date: 22/02/2020 17:01:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 1503997
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Peak Warming Man said:


Asprin is my drug of choice, it works for me if I get crook.
And by the time the ambulance driver got to you you were probably delirious.

Haven’t had asprin since I was a kid.

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Date: 22/02/2020 17:02:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1503999
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Michael V said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Asprin is my drug of choice, it works for me if I get crook.
And by the time the ambulance driver got to you you were probably delirious.

I prefer aspirin for headaches.

And on one doctor’s advice I use them together (max dose for each) for severe pain

If your problem is inflammation then asprin is the first choice unless you have something stronger.

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Date: 22/02/2020 17:15:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1504003
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

try acetaminophen

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Date: 22/02/2020 17:30:38
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1504012
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

SCIENCE said:


try acetaminophen

There is no difference between acetaminophen and paracetamol.

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Date: 22/02/2020 17:36:51
From: dv
ID: 1504015
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Fine, N-acetyl-para-aminophenol

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Date: 22/02/2020 17:51:59
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1504024
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Bubblecar said:


I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Use what works, they both have risks.

Neither is more or less effective than the other in most cases (a few exceptions e.g. aspirin for migraines), both a relatively safe.

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Date: 22/02/2020 17:58:34
From: sibeen
ID: 1504027
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

poikilotherm said:


Bubblecar said:

I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Use what works, they both have risks.

Neither is more or less effective than the other in most cases (a few exceptions e.g. aspirin for migraines), both a relatively safe.

What about if you’re having a heart attack, eh.

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Date: 22/02/2020 18:00:04
From: buffy
ID: 1504029
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

I use aspirin for muscle discomfort if I’ve been doing a lot of physical work because I need an anti-inflammatory for that. For pain itself, I’d use paracetamol, and I used to use it for period pain. I rarely get headaches, but I’d use paracetamol for that. In my head, aspirin is first and foremost an anti-inflammatory. But for me ibuprofen works better sometimes for that. Note – all personal and anecdotal and applies to this body that I inhabit. I have no idea about other bodies.

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Date: 22/02/2020 18:00:21
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1504030
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

sibeen said:


poikilotherm said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Use what works, they both have risks.

Neither is more or less effective than the other in most cases (a few exceptions e.g. aspirin for migraines), both a relatively safe.

What about if you’re having a heart attack, eh.

ask if they have a boat.

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Date: 22/02/2020 18:00:37
From: buffy
ID: 1504031
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

sibeen said:


poikilotherm said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Use what works, they both have risks.

Neither is more or less effective than the other in most cases (a few exceptions e.g. aspirin for migraines), both a relatively safe.

What about if you’re having a heart attack, eh.

Just grab the defibrillator and worry about the pills later….

;)

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Date: 22/02/2020 18:05:18
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1504034
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

sibeen said:


poikilotherm said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Use what works, they both have risks.

Neither is more or less effective than the other in most cases (a few exceptions e.g. aspirin for migraines), both a relatively safe.

What about if you’re having a heart attack, eh.

Probs won’t be worried about a headache eh.

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Date: 22/02/2020 18:48:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1504044
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

you might if the heart attack plus headache is from unzipping your tubes all the way from your heart to your head and aspirin might not help that either

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Date: 22/02/2020 19:33:07
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1504070
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Bubblecar said:


I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Huh? That’s an easy one to answer.

Take everything. It would never have been be released onto the market without a doctor’s prescription unless it’s completely safe.

I kept a pain diary for months last year during about 6 months of sciatica, measuring the comparative effectiveness of all the common pain medications, and a placebo, every couple of hours every day.

The first take home message is that everything loses effectiveness over time. At just a few days on recommended dose it starts to lose effectiveness, and by a fortnight to three weeks at recommended dose it’s little or no better than a placebo.

So take one medicine until it loses effectiveness, switch to a second then when it loses effectiveness switch to a third, ditto fourth and possibly fifth. Then go cold turkey for a fortnight and repeat.

My best cycle was: paracetamol, aspirin, diclofenac, celecoxib, naproxen, placebo, then restart.

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Date: 22/02/2020 19:49:51
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1504078
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

mollwollfumble said:


Bubblecar said:

I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Huh? That’s an easy one to answer.

Take everything. It would never have been be released onto the market without a doctor’s prescription unless it’s completely safe.

I kept a pain diary for months last year during about 6 months of sciatica, measuring the comparative effectiveness of all the common pain medications, and a placebo, every couple of hours every day.

The first take home message is that everything loses effectiveness over time. At just a few days on recommended dose it starts to lose effectiveness, and by a fortnight to three weeks at recommended dose it’s little or no better than a placebo.

So take one medicine until it loses effectiveness, switch to a second then when it loses effectiveness switch to a third, ditto fourth and possibly fifth. Then go cold turkey for a fortnight and repeat.

My best cycle was: paracetamol, aspirin, diclofenac, celecoxib, naproxen, placebo, then restart.

No.

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Date: 22/02/2020 19:52:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1504079
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

poikilotherm said:


mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Huh? That’s an easy one to answer.

Take everything. It would never have been be released onto the market without a doctor’s prescription unless it’s completely safe.

I kept a pain diary for months last year during about 6 months of sciatica, measuring the comparative effectiveness of all the common pain medications, and a placebo, every couple of hours every day.

The first take home message is that everything loses effectiveness over time. At just a few days on recommended dose it starts to lose effectiveness, and by a fortnight to three weeks at recommended dose it’s little or no better than a placebo.

So take one medicine until it loses effectiveness, switch to a second then when it loses effectiveness switch to a third, ditto fourth and possibly fifth. Then go cold turkey for a fortnight and repeat.

My best cycle was: paracetamol, aspirin, diclofenac, celecoxib, naproxen, placebo, then restart.

No.

isn’t that what they do with antidepressants though

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Date: 22/02/2020 20:11:03
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1504088
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

SCIENCE said:


poikilotherm said:

mollwollfumble said:

Huh? That’s an easy one to answer.

Take everything. It would never have been be released onto the market without a doctor’s prescription unless it’s completely safe.

I kept a pain diary for months last year during about 6 months of sciatica, measuring the comparative effectiveness of all the common pain medications, and a placebo, every couple of hours every day.

The first take home message is that everything loses effectiveness over time. At just a few days on recommended dose it starts to lose effectiveness, and by a fortnight to three weeks at recommended dose it’s little or no better than a placebo.

So take one medicine until it loses effectiveness, switch to a second then when it loses effectiveness switch to a third, ditto fourth and possibly fifth. Then go cold turkey for a fortnight and repeat.

My best cycle was: paracetamol, aspirin, diclofenac, celecoxib, naproxen, placebo, then restart.

No.

isn’t that what they do with antidepressants though

Maybe at Hollywood Upstairs Medical School.

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Date: 22/02/2020 20:20:49
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1504093
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

poikilotherm said:


mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Huh? That’s an easy one to answer.

Take everything. It would never have been be released onto the market without a doctor’s prescription unless it’s completely safe.

I kept a pain diary for months last year during about 6 months of sciatica, measuring the comparative effectiveness of all the common pain medications, and a placebo, every couple of hours every day.

The first take home message is that everything loses effectiveness over time. At just a few days on recommended dose it starts to lose effectiveness, and by a fortnight to three weeks at recommended dose it’s little or no better than a placebo.

So take one medicine until it loses effectiveness, switch to a second then when it loses effectiveness switch to a third, ditto fourth and possibly fifth. Then go cold turkey for a fortnight and repeat.

My best cycle was: paracetamol, aspirin, diclofenac, celecoxib, naproxen, placebo, then restart.

No.

giggles

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Date: 22/02/2020 20:21:35
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1504094
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

mollwollfumble said:

Take everything. It would never have been be released onto the market without a doctor’s prescription unless it’s completely safe.

Nothing is completely safe for everyone.

Apart from individual conditions, there’s taking other things in conjunction with OTC meds, diet, general health etc.

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Date: 22/02/2020 20:21:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1504095
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Witty Rejoinder said:


poikilotherm said:

mollwollfumble said:

Huh? That’s an easy one to answer.

Take everything. It would never have been be released onto the market without a doctor’s prescription unless it’s completely safe.

I kept a pain diary for months last year during about 6 months of sciatica, measuring the comparative effectiveness of all the common pain medications, and a placebo, every couple of hours every day.

The first take home message is that everything loses effectiveness over time. At just a few days on recommended dose it starts to lose effectiveness, and by a fortnight to three weeks at recommended dose it’s little or no better than a placebo.

So take one medicine until it loses effectiveness, switch to a second then when it loses effectiveness switch to a third, ditto fourth and possibly fifth. Then go cold turkey for a fortnight and repeat.

My best cycle was: paracetamol, aspirin, diclofenac, celecoxib, naproxen, placebo, then restart.

No.

giggles

i don’t understand, how does ‘e know what mollwollfumble’s best cycle is not ¿

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Date: 22/02/2020 20:24:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1504097
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Divine Angel said:


mollwollfumble said:

Take everything. It would never have been be released onto the market without a doctor’s prescription unless it’s completely safe.

Nothing is completely safe for everyone.

Apart from individual conditions, there’s taking other things in conjunction with OTC meds, diet, general health etc.

oh we missed that assertion from before, entertaining, doctors are perfect hey

lol

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Date: 22/02/2020 20:28:03
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1504098
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

SCIENCE said:


Divine Angel said:

mollwollfumble said:

Take everything. It would never have been be released onto the market without a doctor’s prescription unless it’s completely safe.

Nothing is completely safe for everyone.

Apart from individual conditions, there’s taking other things in conjunction with OTC meds, diet, general health etc.

oh we missed that assertion from before, entertaining, doctors are perfect hey

lol

I once argued with an anti vaxxer; she said she would never have a vaccination until they were 100% guaranteed safe. I pointed out not even paracetamol was 100% guaranteed safe, and no one could 100% guarantee she would be safe leaving her house today. She actually changed her mind about safety of medications. Whoda thunk it?

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Date: 22/02/2020 20:30:55
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1504099
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Divine Angel said:


SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Nothing is completely safe for everyone.

Apart from individual conditions, there’s taking other things in conjunction with OTC meds, diet, general health etc.

oh we missed that assertion from before, entertaining, doctors are perfect hey

lol

I once argued with an anti vaxxer; she said she would never have a vaccination until they were 100% guaranteed safe. I pointed out not even paracetamol was 100% guaranteed safe, and no one could 100% guarantee she would be safe leaving her house today. She actually changed her mind about safety of medications. Whoda thunk it?

So you turned her off completely against the efficacy of modern medicine? WIN.

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Date: 22/02/2020 20:33:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1504100
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Divine Angel said:


SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Nothing is completely safe for everyone.

Apart from individual conditions, there’s taking other things in conjunction with OTC meds, diet, general health etc.

oh we missed that assertion from before, entertaining, doctors are perfect hey

lol

I once argued with an anti vaxxer; she said she would never have a vaccination until they were 100% guaranteed safe. I pointed out not even paracetamol was 100% guaranteed safe, and no one could 100% guarantee she would be safe leaving her house today. She actually changed her mind about safety of medications. Whoda thunk it?

in all seriousness can you please document refinements of your technique for future generations to use to eradicate such viruses of the mind as you claim to have successfully treated, it might do better than what they talk about in this ABC article here

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-02-07/coronavirus-conspiracy-theories-fighting-social-media-futile/11933892

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Date: 22/02/2020 20:33:53
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1504101
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Witty Rejoinder said:


Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

oh we missed that assertion from before, entertaining, doctors are perfect hey

lol

I once argued with an anti vaxxer; she said she would never have a vaccination until they were 100% guaranteed safe. I pointed out not even paracetamol was 100% guaranteed safe, and no one could 100% guarantee she would be safe leaving her house today. She actually changed her mind about safety of medications. Whoda thunk it?

So you turned her off completely against the efficacy of modern medicine? WIN.

One fewer tadpole in the shallow end of the gene pool.

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Date: 22/02/2020 20:33:56
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1504102
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Mr B’Car.
I remember that you, like me, had a hernia that was in need of corrective surgery. FWIW I had my three (!!) repaired last Wednesday and I’m recovering at home now. Overall no big deal but it is difficult to get up & down with regular chairs. I’m using a spare electric recliner probably for the first few days or so.
Spocky is doing a superb job of looking after me, it would be a vastly more difficult job without her as for example I’m not supposed to drive for at least a week, not allowed to pick up anything more than 5 kg, etc. All that conspires to make it very tricky indeed for a solo person at home unfortunately. So if you’re getting it repaired, it’d be pretty much a requirement for someone to help you for at least the first week then be able to pop in at least once a day for the next few weeks.

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Date: 22/02/2020 20:34:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1504103
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Witty Rejoinder said:


Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

oh we missed that assertion from before, entertaining, doctors are perfect hey

lol

I once argued with an anti vaxxer; she said she would never have a vaccination until they were 100% guaranteed safe. I pointed out not even paracetamol was 100% guaranteed safe, and no one could 100% guarantee she would be safe leaving her house today. She actually changed her mind about safety of medications. Whoda thunk it?

So you turned her off completely against the efficacy of modern medicine? WIN.

oh sorry we interpreted differently our mistake

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Date: 22/02/2020 20:55:42
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1504105
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Spiny Norman said:


Mr B’Car.
I remember that you, like me, had a hernia that was in need of corrective surgery. FWIW I had my three (!!) repaired last Wednesday and I’m recovering at home now. Overall no big deal but it is difficult to get up & down with regular chairs. I’m using a spare electric recliner probably for the first few days or so.
Spocky is doing a superb job of looking after me, it would be a vastly more difficult job without her as for example I’m not supposed to drive for at least a week, not allowed to pick up anything more than 5 kg, etc. All that conspires to make it very tricky indeed for a solo person at home unfortunately. So if you’re getting it repaired, it’d be pretty much a requirement for someone to help you for at least the first week then be able to pop in at least once a day for the next few weeks.

You take it easy Pilgrim.

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Date: 22/02/2020 21:02:33
From: dv
ID: 1504107
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

poikilotherm said:


mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ve always tended to favour aspirin as the more effective painkiller, but I noticed during my recent hospital stay that they only offer paracetamol and seem to have a low opinion of aspirin.

The ambulance driver also advised against taking aspirin for pain relief, but I can’t remember why.

Which is the safest and most effective choice for common headaches etc?

Huh? That’s an easy one to answer.

Take everything. It would never have been be released onto the market without a doctor’s prescription unless it’s completely safe.

I kept a pain diary for months last year during about 6 months of sciatica, measuring the comparative effectiveness of all the common pain medications, and a placebo, every couple of hours every day.

The first take home message is that everything loses effectiveness over time. At just a few days on recommended dose it starts to lose effectiveness, and by a fortnight to three weeks at recommended dose it’s little or no better than a placebo.

So take one medicine until it loses effectiveness, switch to a second then when it loses effectiveness switch to a third, ditto fourth and possibly fifth. Then go cold turkey for a fortnight and repeat.

My best cycle was: paracetamol, aspirin, diclofenac, celecoxib, naproxen, placebo, then restart.

No.

Well at least now we have some context for mollwolfumble’s eccentricities

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Date: 22/02/2020 21:30:14
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1504120
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Anyone here still in touch with kii?

I was just wondering how she and Mr. kii are getting on in the land of stable genius.

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Date: 22/02/2020 21:30:38
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1504121
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

captain_spalding said:


Anyone here still in touch with kii?

I was just wondering how she and Mr. kii are getting on in the land of stable genius.

Poop, wrong thread again.

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Date: 22/02/2020 22:14:00
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1504129
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

I think the pain relief needs to be paired with the type of pain and what health issues the person may or may not have and if you pop any pain relief medication like they’re tic tacs then you are likely at some point to experience the side effects that are listed on the packaging.

I do remember that young person who died from liver failure in hospital after a short period in care. The medical dosage was correct , however the previous extended usage had damaged the liver of the young person and his passing was to follow due to the misunderstanding of any medication can be harmful if used outside the recommended dosage and duration of recommended treatment times.

Aspirin can be harsh on the stomach and is not ok for paediatric pain and fever management. Some people use a small dose of aspirin daily for stroke risk management as a hope to be a proactive step to preventing blood clots but if a patient was already using warfarin (blood thinner) then adding to that might not be ok and paracetamol the better option.

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Date: 22/02/2020 22:17:21
From: sibeen
ID: 1504132
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

monkey skipper said:


I think the pain relief needs to be paired with the type of pain and what health issues the person may or may not have and if you pop any pain relief medication like they’re tic tacs then you are likely at some point to experience the side effects that are listed on the packaging.

I do remember that young person who died from liver failure in hospital after a short period in care. The medical dosage was correct , however the previous extended usage had damaged the liver of the young person and his passing was to follow due to the misunderstanding of any medication can be harmful if used outside the recommended dosage and duration of recommended treatment times.

Aspirin can be harsh on the stomach and is not ok for paediatric pain and fever management. Some people use a small dose of aspirin daily for stroke risk management as a hope to be a proactive step to preventing blood clots but if a patient was already using warfarin (blood thinner) then adding to that might not be ok and paracetamol the better option.

I take 100 mg of aspirin each day on the advice of my cardiologist.

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Date: 22/02/2020 22:19:20
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1504133
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

sibeen said:


monkey skipper said:

I think the pain relief needs to be paired with the type of pain and what health issues the person may or may not have and if you pop any pain relief medication like they’re tic tacs then you are likely at some point to experience the side effects that are listed on the packaging.

I do remember that young person who died from liver failure in hospital after a short period in care. The medical dosage was correct , however the previous extended usage had damaged the liver of the young person and his passing was to follow due to the misunderstanding of any medication can be harmful if used outside the recommended dosage and duration of recommended treatment times.

Aspirin can be harsh on the stomach and is not ok for paediatric pain and fever management. Some people use a small dose of aspirin daily for stroke risk management as a hope to be a proactive step to preventing blood clots but if a patient was already using warfarin (blood thinner) then adding to that might not be ok and paracetamol the better option.

I take 100 mg of aspirin each day on the advice of my cardiologist.

I think that John Laws takes Aspirin daily for heart health as well. Me personally ibuprofen and aspirin would make me vomit by day three of the using either medication.

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Date: 23/02/2020 01:20:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1504188
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Spiny Norman said:


Mr B’Car.
I remember that you, like me, had a hernia that was in need of corrective surgery. FWIW I had my three (!!) repaired last Wednesday and I’m recovering at home now. Overall no big deal but it is difficult to get up & down with regular chairs. I’m using a spare electric recliner probably for the first few days or so.
Spocky is doing a superb job of looking after me, it would be a vastly more difficult job without her as for example I’m not supposed to drive for at least a week, not allowed to pick up anything more than 5 kg, etc. All that conspires to make it very tricky indeed for a solo person at home unfortunately. So if you’re getting it repaired, it’d be pretty much a requirement for someone to help you for at least the first week then be able to pop in at least once a day for the next few weeks.

Glad it went well, Spiny. Recovery sounds a bit more arduous than I was expecting.

I’ve been put on the list for surgery but no idea when my turn is likely to come around, could be a very long time given that it’s not an emergency.

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Date: 23/02/2020 07:12:57
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1504200
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Bubblecar said:

Glad it went well, Spiny. Recovery sounds a bit more arduous than I was expecting.

I’ve been put on the list for surgery but no idea when my turn is likely to come around, could be a very long time given that it’s not an emergency.

4th day after the op now, I woke up about half an hour ago and am feeling quite a lot better than the previous days.

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Date: 23/02/2020 09:26:04
From: fsm
ID: 1504215
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Paracetamol and ibuprofen can be taken in combination if required.

https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/medicines/can-i-take-paracetamol-and-ibuprofen-together/

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Date: 23/02/2020 09:27:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 1504217
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

fsm said:


Paracetamol and ibuprofen can be taken in combination if required.

https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/medicines/can-i-take-paracetamol-and-ibuprofen-together/

This is correct. Apparently.
Trouble is, they still don’t seem to work for me. Even the cortisone injection didn’t help my torn tendons.

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Date: 23/02/2020 09:36:24
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1504220
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

fsm said:


Paracetamol and ibuprofen can be taken in combination if required.

https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/medicines/can-i-take-paracetamol-and-ibuprofen-together/


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Date: 23/02/2020 09:38:52
From: fsm
ID: 1504221
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

poikilotherm said:


fsm said:

Paracetamol and ibuprofen can be taken in combination if required.

https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/medicines/can-i-take-paracetamol-and-ibuprofen-together/



It is much cheaper to buy the generic brands and then combine them yourself.

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Date: 23/02/2020 14:01:59
From: Rule 303
ID: 1504363
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Drug interactions are so complex, and general public knowledge of over-the-counter meds is so poor that I think medicoes need to start taking some responsibility for educating their patients that if you’re taking anything and you’re thinking of adding anything, you should be talking a pharmacist.

Pharmacists could step up the game from their end, too – Having an assistant ask the patient ‘Have you taken these before?’ or ‘Do you have any questions about this medication?’ is not providing good service, IMO.

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Date: 23/02/2020 14:03:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 1504364
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Rule 303 said:


Drug interactions are so complex, and general public knowledge of over-the-counter meds is so poor that I think medicoes need to start taking some responsibility for educating their patients that if you’re taking anything and you’re thinking of adding anything, you should be talking a pharmacist.

Pharmacists could step up the game from their end, too – Having an assistant ask the patient ‘Have you taken these before?’ or ‘Do you have any questions about this medication?’ is not providing good service, IMO.

The pharmacist always discusses my medication with me.

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Date: 23/02/2020 14:08:15
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1504372
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Rule 303 said:


Drug interactions are so complex, and general public knowledge of over-the-counter meds is so poor that I think medicoes need to start taking some responsibility for educating their patients that if you’re taking anything and you’re thinking of adding anything, you should be talking a pharmacist.

Pharmacists could step up the game from their end, too – Having an assistant ask the patient ‘Have you taken these before?’ or ‘Do you have any questions about this medication?’ is not providing good service, IMO.

True

Pharmacies should also provide video screen information on any drug, see what the molecules look like in the drugs, related information on how the body responds to those drugs etc.

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Date: 23/02/2020 14:09:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 1504374
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Tau.Neutrino said:


Rule 303 said:

Drug interactions are so complex, and general public knowledge of over-the-counter meds is so poor that I think medicoes need to start taking some responsibility for educating their patients that if you’re taking anything and you’re thinking of adding anything, you should be talking a pharmacist.

Pharmacists could step up the game from their end, too – Having an assistant ask the patient ‘Have you taken these before?’ or ‘Do you have any questions about this medication?’ is not providing good service, IMO.

True

Pharmacies should also provide video screen information on any drug, see what the molecules look like in the drugs, related information on how the body responds to those drugs etc.

All my prescription drugs come with their own leaflet telling me all the bad things thta may occur if…

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Date: 23/02/2020 14:13:01
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1504378
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Drug interactions are so complex, and general public knowledge of over-the-counter meds is so poor that I think medicoes need to start taking some responsibility for educating their patients that if you’re taking anything and you’re thinking of adding anything, you should be talking a pharmacist.

Pharmacists could step up the game from their end, too – Having an assistant ask the patient ‘Have you taken these before?’ or ‘Do you have any questions about this medication?’ is not providing good service, IMO.

True

Pharmacies should also provide video screen information on any drug, see what the molecules look like in the drugs, related information on how the body responds to those drugs etc.

All my prescription drugs come with their own leaflet telling me all the bad things thta may occur if…

Mine do too, but I can never find any video information with them..

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Date: 23/02/2020 14:13:24
From: Tamb
ID: 1504379
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Drug interactions are so complex, and general public knowledge of over-the-counter meds is so poor that I think medicoes need to start taking some responsibility for educating their patients that if you’re taking anything and you’re thinking of adding anything, you should be talking a pharmacist.

Pharmacists could step up the game from their end, too – Having an assistant ask the patient ‘Have you taken these before?’ or ‘Do you have any questions about this medication?’ is not providing good service, IMO.

True

Pharmacies should also provide video screen information on any drug, see what the molecules look like in the drugs, related information on how the body responds to those drugs etc.

All my prescription drugs come with their own leaflet telling me all the bad things thta may occur if…


True.

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Date: 23/02/2020 14:14:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 1504381
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Tau.Neutrino said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

True

Pharmacies should also provide video screen information on any drug, see what the molecules look like in the drugs, related information on how the body responds to those drugs etc.

All my prescription drugs come with their own leaflet telling me all the bad things thta may occur if…

Mine do too, but I can never find any video information with them..

Why do you need video? I know you can read because you answered my post.

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Date: 23/02/2020 14:16:06
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1504382
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Tau.Neutrino said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

True

Pharmacies should also provide video screen information on any drug, see what the molecules look like in the drugs, related information on how the body responds to those drugs etc.

All my prescription drugs come with their own leaflet telling me all the bad things thta may occur if…

Mine do too, but I can never find any video information with them..

It will be great when they can print video screens on the front of the medication packets

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Date: 23/02/2020 14:16:18
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1504383
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Rule 303 said:


Drug interactions are so complex, and general public knowledge of over-the-counter meds is so poor that I think medicoes need to start taking some responsibility for educating their patients that if you’re taking anything and you’re thinking of adding anything, you should be talking a pharmacist.

Pharmacists could step up the game from their end, too – Having an assistant ask the patient ‘Have you taken these before?’ or ‘Do you have any questions about this medication?’ is not providing good service, IMO.

Sounds like a job for the slattern wench.

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Date: 23/02/2020 14:18:30
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1504385
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

All my prescription drugs come with their own leaflet telling me all the bad things thta may occur if…

Mine do too, but I can never find any video information with them..

Why do you need video? I know you can read because you answered my post.

Wouldn’t you like see videos on packets ?

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Date: 23/02/2020 14:19:03
From: sibeen
ID: 1504387
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Peak Warming Man said:


Rule 303 said:

Drug interactions are so complex, and general public knowledge of over-the-counter meds is so poor that I think medicoes need to start taking some responsibility for educating their patients that if you’re taking anything and you’re thinking of adding anything, you should be talking a pharmacist.

Pharmacists could step up the game from their end, too – Having an assistant ask the patient ‘Have you taken these before?’ or ‘Do you have any questions about this medication?’ is not providing good service, IMO.

Sounds like a job for the slattern wench.

:)

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Date: 23/02/2020 14:22:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 1504389
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Tau.Neutrino said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Mine do too, but I can never find any video information with them..

Why do you need video? I know you can read because you answered my post.

Wouldn’t you like see videos on packets ?

Drugs cost too much now without adding to the burden.

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Date: 23/02/2020 18:02:10
From: buffy
ID: 1504485
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

My muscles are complaining about the couch pulling and mowing and bike riding I did this morning. So I’ve taken a prophylactic Disprin tablet to damp down the inflammation from the microtears.

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Date: 23/02/2020 18:48:32
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1504508
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

buffy said:


My muscles are complaining about the couch pulling and mowing and bike riding I did this morning. So I’ve taken a prophylactic Disprin tablet to damp down the inflammation from the microtears.

You have a haphazard approach to medical intervention.

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Date: 23/02/2020 18:54:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1504512
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Witty Rejoinder said:


buffy said:

My muscles are complaining about the couch pulling and mowing and bike riding I did this morning. So I’ve taken a prophylactic Disprin tablet to damp down the inflammation from the microtears.

You have a haphazard approach to medical intervention.

sounds like many professionals

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Date: 23/02/2020 20:54:03
From: buffy
ID: 1504578
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

Witty Rejoinder said:


buffy said:

My muscles are complaining about the couch pulling and mowing and bike riding I did this morning. So I’ve taken a prophylactic Disprin tablet to damp down the inflammation from the microtears.

You have a haphazard approach to medical intervention.

Huh? Basically non interventionist, but with allowances made for pain relief. And always apply “If I do this, will the outcome be any different?” If it won’t don’t bother doing it.

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Date: 23/02/2020 20:56:57
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1504580
Subject: re: Paracetamol vs Aspirin

buffy said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

My muscles are complaining about the couch pulling and mowing and bike riding I did this morning. So I’ve taken a prophylactic Disprin tablet to damp down the inflammation from the microtears.

You have a haphazard approach to medical intervention.

Huh? Basically non interventionist, but with allowances made for pain relief. And always apply “If I do this, will the outcome be any different?” If it won’t don’t bother doing it.

Like I said…

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