Date: 25/02/2020 15:30:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1505351
Subject: The power grid.

In case it gets lost.

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From: sarahs mum
ID: 1505334
Subject: re: February Chat

My friend Kym says..

Kym Watling
5 hrs ·

RenewEconomy’s Nem Watch, my new favourite thing. Shows electricity generation and demand across all states and through all technologies, refreshed every half hour. A live snapshot of our power grid and resources. Mouse around on the graphs through the link to see breakdown and below the bars for demand. Still learning how to drive it. https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/

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Date: 25/02/2020 15:51:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1505363
Subject: re: The power grid.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/

Nice one, bookmarked.

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Date: 25/02/2020 19:06:41
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1505425
Subject: re: The power grid.

sarahs mum said:


In case it gets lost.

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From: sarahs mum
ID: 1505334
Subject: re: February Chat

My friend Kym says..

Kym Watling
5 hrs ·

RenewEconomy’s Nem Watch, my new favourite thing. Shows electricity generation and demand across all states and through all technologies, refreshed every half hour. A live snapshot of our power grid and resources. Mouse around on the graphs through the link to see breakdown and below the bars for demand. Still learning how to drive it. https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/

We’ve got to make up our own time-dependent charts to sort out peak period etc.? I can do that.

Pity we don’t have any really big energy users in this country, like the Large Hadron Collider in Europe. ;-(

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Date: 25/02/2020 19:09:01
From: sibeen
ID: 1505427
Subject: re: The power grid.

mollwollfumble said:


sarahs mum said:

In case it gets lost.

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From: sarahs mum
ID: 1505334
Subject: re: February Chat

My friend Kym says..

Kym Watling
5 hrs ·

RenewEconomy’s Nem Watch, my new favourite thing. Shows electricity generation and demand across all states and through all technologies, refreshed every half hour. A live snapshot of our power grid and resources. Mouse around on the graphs through the link to see breakdown and below the bars for demand. Still learning how to drive it. https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/

We’ve got to make up our own time-dependent charts to sort out peak period etc.? I can do that.

Pity we don’t have any really big energy users in this country, like the Large Hadron Collider in Europe. ;-(

Portland aluminium smelter may beg to differ.

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Date: 25/02/2020 19:12:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1505432
Subject: re: The power grid.

There doesn’t seem to be a way of working out how much is going from Tassie to Vic via Basslink.

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Date: 25/02/2020 19:13:49
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1505434
Subject: re: The power grid.

sibeen said:


mollwollfumble said:

sarahs mum said:

In case it gets lost.

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From: sarahs mum
ID: 1505334
Subject: re: February Chat

My friend Kym says..

Kym Watling
5 hrs ·

RenewEconomy’s Nem Watch, my new favourite thing. Shows electricity generation and demand across all states and through all technologies, refreshed every half hour. A live snapshot of our power grid and resources. Mouse around on the graphs through the link to see breakdown and below the bars for demand. Still learning how to drive it. https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/

We’ve got to make up our own time-dependent charts to sort out peak period etc.? I can do that.

Pity we don’t have any really big energy users in this country, like the Large Hadron Collider in Europe. ;-(

Portland aluminium smelter may beg to differ.

A point. Makes me wonder about other metals produced overseas by electrolysis. eg. Mg, Li. And other power-hungry elements like 235U.

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Date: 25/02/2020 19:18:14
From: sibeen
ID: 1505436
Subject: re: The power grid.

sarahs mum said:


There doesn’t seem to be a way of working out how much is going from Tassie to Vic via Basslink.

https://aemo.com.au/en/energy-systems/electricity/national-electricity-market-nem/data-nem/data-dashboard-nem

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Date: 25/02/2020 19:47:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1505441
Subject: re: The power grid.

mollwollfumble said:


sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

We’ve got to make up our own time-dependent charts to sort out peak period etc.? I can do that.

Pity we don’t have any really big energy users in this country, like the Large Hadron Collider in Europe. ;-(

Portland aluminium smelter may beg to differ.

A point. Makes me wonder about other metals produced overseas by electrolysis. eg. Mg, Li. And other power-hungry elements like 235U.

imagine if we could have used all that renewable energy we refuse to build, to refine and manufacture a world class economy

nah just dig up black dirt and sell it to others to make sure their emissions are higher than ours

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Date: 25/02/2020 19:49:15
From: party_pants
ID: 1505444
Subject: re: The power grid.

SCIENCE said:

imagine if we could have used all that renewable energy we refuse to build, to refine and manufacture a world class economy

Yes. Renewable energy and value added mineral and metal exports made from renewable energy. I dream about it every day.

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Date: 25/02/2020 20:01:36
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1505447
Subject: re: The power grid.

sarahs mum said:


There doesn’t seem to be a way of working out how much is going from Tassie to Vic via Basslink.

No?

https://aemo.com.au/en/energy-systems/electricity/national-electricity-market-nem/system-operations/congestion-information-resource/network-status-and-capability

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Date: 25/02/2020 20:04:23
From: sibeen
ID: 1505448
Subject: re: The power grid.

poikilotherm said:


sarahs mum said:

There doesn’t seem to be a way of working out how much is going from Tassie to Vic via Basslink.

No?

https://aemo.com.au/en/energy-systems/electricity/national-electricity-market-nem/system-operations/congestion-information-resource/network-status-and-capability


THANK YOU CAPTAIN YESTERDAY.

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Date: 25/02/2020 20:04:52
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1505449
Subject: re: The power grid.

sibeen said:


poikilotherm said:

sarahs mum said:

There doesn’t seem to be a way of working out how much is going from Tassie to Vic via Basslink.

No?

https://aemo.com.au/en/energy-systems/electricity/national-electricity-market-nem/system-operations/congestion-information-resource/network-status-and-capability


THANK YOU CAPTAIN YESTERDAY.

Have you bought a Tesla yet?

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Date: 25/02/2020 20:06:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1505450
Subject: re: The power grid.

party_pants said:


SCIENCE said:

imagine if we could have used all that renewable energy we refuse to build, to refine and manufacture a world class economy

Yes. Renewable energy and value added mineral and metal exports made from renewable energy. I dream about it every day.

I keep on thinking about Bass strait. I saw a presentation at Tas Museum (TMAG) that demonstrated the power of the rush of the tide through the strait. Perhaps I think about it because of a lack of understanding. But my time on Cape barren island was all amazement about the tide going out so far and then rushing back in. Maybe not as much as Solway Forth but that kind of thing. They have planted wind turbines in a row across King Island and I presume this is in anticipation of them deciding they will Basslink 2. But it does make me wonder if this is not a great place to trial some water turbine arrays like they are doing off shore in Scotland.

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Date: 25/02/2020 20:11:43
From: sibeen
ID: 1505452
Subject: re: The power grid.

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine if we could have used all that renewable energy we refuse to build, to refine and manufacture a world class economy

Yes. Renewable energy and value added mineral and metal exports made from renewable energy. I dream about it every day.

I keep on thinking about Bass strait. I saw a presentation at Tas Museum (TMAG) that demonstrated the power of the rush of the tide through the strait. Perhaps I think about it because of a lack of understanding. But my time on Cape barren island was all amazement about the tide going out so far and then rushing back in. Maybe not as much as Solway Forth but that kind of thing. They have planted wind turbines in a row across King Island and I presume this is in anticipation of them deciding they will Basslink 2. But it does make me wonder if this is not a great place to trial some water turbine arrays like they are doing off shore in Scotland.

Mostly they fail at the trial stage, sm. Salt water just stuffs the engineering. I don’t know of a tidal scheme that has come close to being viable. Doesn’t stop a lot of mobs getting government subsidies and trying again whilst paying themselves some quite hefty consulting fees.

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Date: 25/02/2020 20:12:31
From: sibeen
ID: 1505453
Subject: re: The power grid.

poikilotherm said:


sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

No?

https://aemo.com.au/en/energy-systems/electricity/national-electricity-market-nem/system-operations/congestion-information-resource/network-status-and-capability


THANK YOU CAPTAIN YESTERDAY.

Have you bought a Tesla yet?

I’ve been too busy shorting the stock.

Fair Dinkum, tulips have nothing on this company.

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Date: 25/02/2020 20:14:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1505454
Subject: re: The power grid.

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Yes. Renewable energy and value added mineral and metal exports made from renewable energy. I dream about it every day.

I keep on thinking about Bass strait. I saw a presentation at Tas Museum (TMAG) that demonstrated the power of the rush of the tide through the strait. Perhaps I think about it because of a lack of understanding. But my time on Cape barren island was all amazement about the tide going out so far and then rushing back in. Maybe not as much as Solway Forth but that kind of thing. They have planted wind turbines in a row across King Island and I presume this is in anticipation of them deciding they will Basslink 2. But it does make me wonder if this is not a great place to trial some water turbine arrays like they are doing off shore in Scotland.

Mostly they fail at the trial stage, sm. Salt water just stuffs the engineering. I don’t know of a tidal scheme that has come close to being viable. Doesn’t stop a lot of mobs getting government subsidies and trying again whilst paying themselves some quite hefty consulting fees.

okay. Sounds fair. I’ll try to keep track of Scottish ones and observe.

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Date: 25/02/2020 21:37:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1505478
Subject: re: The power grid.

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Yes. Renewable energy and value added mineral and metal exports made from renewable energy. I dream about it every day.

I keep on thinking about Bass strait. I saw a presentation at Tas Museum (TMAG) that demonstrated the power of the rush of the tide through the strait. Perhaps I think about it because of a lack of understanding. But my time on Cape barren island was all amazement about the tide going out so far and then rushing back in. Maybe not as much as Solway Forth but that kind of thing. They have planted wind turbines in a row across King Island and I presume this is in anticipation of them deciding they will Basslink 2. But it does make me wonder if this is not a great place to trial some water turbine arrays like they are doing off shore in Scotland.

Mostly they fail at the trial stage, sm. Salt water just stuffs the engineering. I don’t know of a tidal scheme that has come close to being viable. Doesn’t stop a lot of mobs getting government subsidies and trying again whilst paying themselves some quite hefty consulting fees.

Hasn’t there been one in France for about 200 years* or so?

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Date: 25/02/2020 21:39:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1505479
Subject: re: The power grid.

The Rev Dodgson said:


sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

I keep on thinking about Bass strait. I saw a presentation at Tas Museum (TMAG) that demonstrated the power of the rush of the tide through the strait. Perhaps I think about it because of a lack of understanding. But my time on Cape barren island was all amazement about the tide going out so far and then rushing back in. Maybe not as much as Solway Forth but that kind of thing. They have planted wind turbines in a row across King Island and I presume this is in anticipation of them deciding they will Basslink 2. But it does make me wonder if this is not a great place to trial some water turbine arrays like they are doing off shore in Scotland.

Mostly they fail at the trial stage, sm. Salt water just stuffs the engineering. I don’t know of a tidal scheme that has come close to being viable. Doesn’t stop a lot of mobs getting government subsidies and trying again whilst paying themselves some quite hefty consulting fees.

Hasn’t there been one in France for about 200 years* or so?

  • maybe a bit less.

The tidal power plant at the Rance River estuary in Brittany, France, uses a barrage. It was built in 1966 and is still functioning. The plant uses two sources of energy: tidal energy from the English Channel and river current energy from the Rance River.

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Date: 25/02/2020 22:14:27
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1505490
Subject: re: The power grid.

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

Mostly they fail at the trial stage, sm. Salt water just stuffs the engineering. I don’t know of a tidal scheme that has come close to being viable. Doesn’t stop a lot of mobs getting government subsidies and trying again whilst paying themselves some quite hefty consulting fees.

Hasn’t there been one in France for about 200 years* or so?

  • maybe a bit less.

The tidal power plant at the Rance River estuary in Brittany, France, uses a barrage. It was built in 1966 and is still functioning. The plant uses two sources of energy: tidal energy from the English Channel and river current energy from the Rance River.

bloody french stealing our english channel. get yer own yer dirty foreigners!

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Date: 25/02/2020 22:14:52
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1505491
Subject: re: The power grid.

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Yes. Renewable energy and value added mineral and metal exports made from renewable energy. I dream about it every day.

I keep on thinking about Bass strait. I saw a presentation at Tas Museum (TMAG) that demonstrated the power of the rush of the tide through the strait. Perhaps I think about it because of a lack of understanding. But my time on Cape barren island was all amazement about the tide going out so far and then rushing back in. Maybe not as much as Solway Forth but that kind of thing. They have planted wind turbines in a row across King Island and I presume this is in anticipation of them deciding they will Basslink 2. But it does make me wonder if this is not a great place to trial some water turbine arrays like they are doing off shore in Scotland.

Mostly they fail at the trial stage, sm. Salt water just stuffs the engineering. I don’t know of a tidal scheme that has come close to being viable. Doesn’t stop a lot of mobs getting government subsidies and trying again whilst paying themselves some quite hefty consulting fees.

Interesting that you say that salt water stuffs the engineering. I would have thought that that problem had been well and truly solved by now, using paint techniques used for rust prevention of cars, or using stainless alloys or nickel-chrome alloys. Engineering has been successful in environments that are far more destructive than that, eg. jet engines.

I’ve seen a few proposals for tidal power, and even worked out how to get near-uniform power out of them (as opposed to zero power when the internal and external water heights match), but most of the tidal power projects mess with the coastline.

I still have a soft spot for wave power using the Salter duck. For instance, instead of having harbours protected by breakwaters, have them protected by ducks.

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Date: 26/02/2020 04:33:44
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1505567
Subject: re: The power grid.

sarahs mum said:


In case it gets lost.

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From: sarahs mum
ID: 1505334
Subject: re: February Chat

My friend Kym says..

Kym Watling
5 hrs ·

RenewEconomy’s Nem Watch, my new favourite thing. Shows electricity generation and demand across all states and through all technologies, refreshed every half hour. A live snapshot of our power grid and resources. Mouse around on the graphs through the link to see breakdown and below the bars for demand. Still learning how to drive it. https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/

First observations for off-peak (4:22 am)

NSW is using pumped hydro for energy storage. I knew it was possible, but never had figures for it before.
SA is only generating wind power, but is using twice as much as it generates.
Tas is 60% hydro, 40% wind, but is using one and a half times as much as it generates.
Only for WA is supply equal to demand.

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Date: 26/02/2020 08:52:04
From: sibeen
ID: 1505591
Subject: re: The power grid.

mollwollfumble said:

First observations for off-peak (4:22 am)

NSW is using pumped hydro for energy storage. I knew it was possible, but never had figures for it before.
SA is only generating wind power, but is using twice as much as it generates.
Tas is 60% hydro, 40% wind, but is using one and a half times as much as it generates.
Only for WA is supply equal to demand.

It’s hard for WA not to have supply not equal demand, and vice versa, as it is an islanded system.

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Date: 26/02/2020 09:24:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1505603
Subject: re: The power grid.

mollwollfumble said:


sarahs mum said:

In case it gets lost.

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From: sarahs mum
ID: 1505334
Subject: re: February Chat

My friend Kym says..

Kym Watling
5 hrs ·

RenewEconomy’s Nem Watch, my new favourite thing. Shows electricity generation and demand across all states and through all technologies, refreshed every half hour. A live snapshot of our power grid and resources. Mouse around on the graphs through the link to see breakdown and below the bars for demand. Still learning how to drive it. https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/

First observations for off-peak (4:22 am)

NSW is using pumped hydro for energy storage. I knew it was possible, but never had figures for it before.
SA is only generating wind power, but is using twice as much as it generates.
Tas is 60% hydro, 40% wind, but is using one and a half times as much as it generates.
Only for WA is supply equal to demand.


So zero solar in NSW and Victoria?

That’s a bit surprising.

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