I think the other thread may have got a bit too long and jammed up.
shouldn’t these threads be 1.5m apart from each other?
Yesterday there was some talk about death rates amoungst the 30 to 40 age group after some physician was spouting on the wireless. I thought this may be an interesting document.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20031773v2.full.pdf
Some highlights:
There were 7 deaths on the ship and all were over 70.
There were 3711 people on the ship and 619 of them got the disease. About half of them showed no symptoms.
sibeen said:
Yesterday there was some talk about death rates amoungst the 30 to 40 age group after some physician was spouting on the wireless. I thought this may be an interesting document.https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20031773v2.full.pdf
Some highlights:
There were 7 deaths on the ship and all were over 70.
There were 3711 people on the ship and 619 of them got the disease. About half of them showed no symptoms.
I should have expanded. Half of the people who got the disease showed no symptoms at all. It was actually the older group who showed a greater percentage of no symptoms.
Tau.Neutrino said:
The UK Only Realised “In The Last Few Days” That Its Coronavirus Strategy Would “Likely Result In Hundreds of Thousands of Deaths”
No no no, that is a lie. They realised this ages ago because the experts told them. They only realised “in the last few days” that they were not going to get away with it.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Don’t like that graph bottom right.
North Korea has no reported cases. How true do we think this is? It’s possible, I suppose given their already stringent border crossings, but I suspect that they aren’t telling us everything.
link to map
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Arts said:
North Korea has no reported cases. How true do we think this is? It’s possible, I suppose given their already stringent border crossings, but I suspect that they aren’t telling us everything.
I’d say all explanations are plausible.
Either nobody with the virus has slipped in because it is a shithole place, in which case they have no cases.
or
They have some cases but are not testing for it because it is not affecting the ruling elite
or
They have a small number of cases and they are doing proper diligence to keep the numbers low. They have been successful and the numbers are so low as to be plausible to report as zero.
party_pants said:
Arts said:
North Korea has no reported cases. How true do we think this is? It’s possible, I suppose given their already stringent border crossings, but I suspect that they aren’t telling us everything.
I’d say all explanations are plausible.
Either nobody with the virus has slipped in because it is a shithole place, in which case they have no cases.
or
They have some cases but are not testing for it because it is not affecting the ruling elite
or
They have a small number of cases and they are doing proper diligence to keep the numbers low. They have been successful and the numbers are so low as to be plausible to report as zero.
They were canceling parades and such a couple of weeks ago..
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Another day has brought another raft of cancellations and postponements of high-profile sporting events. But one sport is determined to carry on.
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However, the tournament is subject to strict infection-control procedures.
Leon Watson, from UK-based chess learning site Chessable, said: “The Candidates, which is one of biggest events in the chess calendar, is still going ahead regardless mainly because the organisers were prepared weeks in advance.
“Measures have been taken to protect against the spread of coronavirus such as players being quarantined beforehand, spectators being banned from the playing area and during the competition, those involved are being virus-tested twice a day.”
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sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:
North Korea has no reported cases. How true do we think this is? It’s possible, I suppose given their already stringent border crossings, but I suspect that they aren’t telling us everything.
I’d say all explanations are plausible.
Either nobody with the virus has slipped in because it is a shithole place, in which case they have no cases.
or
They have some cases but are not testing for it because it is not affecting the ruling elite
or
They have a small number of cases and they are doing proper diligence to keep the numbers low. They have been successful and the numbers are so low as to be plausible to report as zero.
They were canceling parades and such a couple of weeks ago..
4/ they don’t even have the technology to test
43% of the country is malnourished. Even their soldiers are underweight.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5029484/north-korea-malnutrition-food-insecurity-un/
Is there a projection of possible (though untested) cases? so if a country has x amount of confirmed cases, we can assume a 20% increase (for example)? do we know that yet?
Arts said:
Is there a projection of possible (though untested) cases? so if a country has x amount of confirmed cases, we can assume a 20% increase (for example)? do we know that yet?
I would think that would depend on the extent of the testing regime. Germany and South Korea have tested the shit out of it, whereas there’s been little systematic testing in the USA.
dv said:
Arts said:
Is there a projection of possible (though untested) cases? so if a country has x amount of confirmed cases, we can assume a 20% increase (for example)? do we know that yet?
I would think that would depend on the extent of the testing regime. Germany and South Korea have tested the shit out of it, whereas there’s been little systematic testing in the USA.
so can we know from Germany and South Korea what percentage of cases that are positive were asymptomatic?
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Jury Is Literally Out On How Courts Will Function In The Coronavirus Outbreak “I don’t think any criminal lawyer or barrister would have been thinking, ‘how would I run my practice in a global pandemic?’” one lawyer said.A courtroom at capacity can resemble a train carriage in peak hour: all seats taken, the aisle occupied by people standing shoulder to shoulder and clamouring to get in and out the door.
more…
As long as their numbers are less than 500 they will be alright.
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:
Is there a projection of possible (though untested) cases? so if a country has x amount of confirmed cases, we can assume a 20% increase (for example)? do we know that yet?
I would think that would depend on the extent of the testing regime. Germany and South Korea have tested the shit out of it, whereas there’s been little systematic testing in the USA.
so can we know from Germany and South Korea what percentage of cases that are positive were asymptomatic?
Well I guess someone has that data…
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:I’d say all explanations are plausible.
Either nobody with the virus has slipped in because it is a shithole place, in which case they have no cases.
or
They have some cases but are not testing for it because it is not affecting the ruling elite
or
They have a small number of cases and they are doing proper diligence to keep the numbers low. They have been successful and the numbers are so low as to be plausible to report as zero.
They were canceling parades and such a couple of weeks ago..
4/ they don’t even have the technology to test
43% of the country is malnourished. Even their soldiers are underweight.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5029484/north-korea-malnutrition-food-insecurity-un/
You didn’t say anything like that when you were offering African covid-19 figures?
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:I would think that would depend on the extent of the testing regime. Germany and South Korea have tested the shit out of it, whereas there’s been little systematic testing in the USA.
so can we know from Germany and South Korea what percentage of cases that are positive were asymptomatic?
Well I guess someone has that data…
I feel like this is important, based on my almost zero training as a medical professional.. which, of course, makes me an expert.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:They were canceling parades and such a couple of weeks ago..
4/ they don’t even have the technology to test
43% of the country is malnourished. Even their soldiers are underweight.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5029484/north-korea-malnutrition-food-insecurity-un/You didn’t say anything like that when you were offering African covid-19 figures?
Hope this helps!
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:so can we know from Germany and South Korea what percentage of cases that are positive were asymptomatic?
Well I guess someone has that data…
I feel like this is important, based on my almost zero training as a medical professional.. which, of course, makes me an expert.
It is. You’re the brains of the operation, you should be able to track down that info…
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:Well I guess someone has that data…
I feel like this is important, based on my almost zero training as a medical professional.. which, of course, makes me an expert.
It is. You’re the brains of the operation, you should be able to track down that info…
if it’s not answered by tomorrow I’ll give it a go..
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:Well I guess someone has that data…
I feel like this is important, based on my almost zero training as a medical professional.. which, of course, makes me an expert.
It is. You’re the brains of the operation, you should be able to track down that info…
“Studies in China estimate that about 1.2% of confirmed cases are asymptomatic” – could be lies though, ccp not so good with the truth.
My aunt and uncle are in the USA, halfway through a month-long holiday. The current DFAT advice is for all Aussies to return home, so they’re on the phone with Qantas, where hold times are 4-6 hours.
Divine Angel said:
My aunt and uncle are in the USA, halfway through a month-long holiday. The current DFAT advice is for all Aussies to return home, so they’re on the phone with Qantas, where hold times are 4-6 hours.
Tell Quantas to call them back.
Fuck.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-obituaries-bergamo-italy/2020/03/16/6c342f02-66c7-11ea-b199-3a9799c54512_story.html?fbclid=IwAR05ME30XQfJq6g1gWCEklbfsVZEkv_p1SzJy0RB-kMzUY2OOIgAxwepAKo
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-march-17-a69117
Fast-tracker laws to allow qld supermarkets more deliveries and quicker re-stocking.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-queensland-supermarket-restock-all-hours-new-laws/12063106
Divine Angel said:
Fuck.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-obituaries-bergamo-italy/2020/03/16/6c342f02-66c7-11ea-b199-3a9799c54512_story.html?fbclid=IwAR05ME30XQfJq6g1gWCEklbfsVZEkv_p1SzJy0RB-kMzUY2OOIgAxwepAKo
I’m blocked on that. DA can you see it? What I’m really interested in is the age of the deceased. Getting an age breakdown of deaths seems quite difficult.
Divine Angel said:
My aunt and uncle are in the USA, halfway through a month-long holiday. The current DFAT advice is for all Aussies to return home, so they’re on the phone with Qantas, where hold times are 4-6 hours.
Along with cancelling 90% of their flights, Qantas have cancelled 90% of their customer service.
sibeen said:
Divine Angel said:
Fuck.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-obituaries-bergamo-italy/2020/03/16/6c342f02-66c7-11ea-b199-3a9799c54512_story.html?fbclid=IwAR05ME30XQfJq6g1gWCEklbfsVZEkv_p1SzJy0RB-kMzUY2OOIgAxwepAKo
I’m blocked on that. DA can you see it? What I’m really interested in is the age of the deceased. Getting an age breakdown of deaths seems quite difficult.
L’eco di bergamo has an online edition that might have the obits.
sibeen said:
Divine Angel said:
Fuck.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-obituaries-bergamo-italy/2020/03/16/6c342f02-66c7-11ea-b199-3a9799c54512_story.html?fbclid=IwAR05ME30XQfJq6g1gWCEklbfsVZEkv_p1SzJy0RB-kMzUY2OOIgAxwepAKo
I’m blocked on that. DA can you see it? What I’m really interested in is the age of the deceased. Getting an age breakdown of deaths seems quite difficult.
Ask us your coronavirus questions
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/what-went-wrong-with-how-italy-handled-coronavirus/12062242
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:
Divine Angel said:
Fuck.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-obituaries-bergamo-italy/2020/03/16/6c342f02-66c7-11ea-b199-3a9799c54512_story.html?fbclid=IwAR05ME30XQfJq6g1gWCEklbfsVZEkv_p1SzJy0RB-kMzUY2OOIgAxwepAKo
I’m blocked on that. DA can you see it? What I’m really interested in is the age of the deceased. Getting an age breakdown of deaths seems quite difficult.
Ask us your coronavirus questions
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/what-went-wrong-with-how-italy-handled-coronavirus/12062242
Dr Norman Swan appears to be the only person I can see that is claiming that the death rate amoung the 30 to 40 year old cohort is quite high in Italy. Asking him for confirmation of his views isn’t what I am after.
The term “lockdown” is freaking people out! Please share this to help the mythbusters!
From Italy -
Lockdown day # 476. 😑🇮🇹
Not really its like Day 9 I think? 🤔
Tip for my Aussie friends, because I love you all so much and it is killing me a little inside seeing some of you all panicking and fighting each other over toilet paper.
Even IF Australia gets a lockdown… Supermarkets & chemists stay open. 👌
Here is what it looks like….
One person from each family can go in.
People line up outside at a safe distance from each other.
A certain amount of people go in at a time.
You don’t touch your face while you are there.
You go home, wash your hands, then chill at home.
The supermarkets are constantly re stocking and no one is hoarding because we know we don’t need to. Maybe a LITTLE more than normal so you can do a weekly shop not a every second day shop.
So now we all know that…. and the fear of “what if” has been demolished for you… you can stop the insanity. It is harming your own mental state as well as literally harming those people who live pay to pay and find empty shelves. It is fear breeding fear, which isn’t good for anyone or anything! Please stop it. If you are guilty of it? Well now you know you don’t have to do it anymore my friend. Channel that fear fuelled energy somewhere else other than stampeding through the toilet paper aisle at Coles.
Please. 🤦♀️
Do some good home workouts, a punching bag sesh, do a massive clean out at home, declutter, bake a chocolate cake, watch a funny film or series, read a good book, connect with your family, call an old friend, and
stay C A L M.
Just mostly, lean into your concern for this pandemic with a due reverence for its severity and respond with a sense of faith, community, of loving your neighbour (from a distance😘) , of listening to medical experts, and just do what you gotta do…. which I can guarantee you has absoloutely nothing to do with a panic reaction of piling up TP in your garage. 👌
I understand the fear…this IS extremely worrying times but panic doesn’t serve anything. 🙏
As we are saying here in Italy
*everything will be okay.
sibeen said:
Divine Angel said:
Fuck.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-obituaries-bergamo-italy/2020/03/16/6c342f02-66c7-11ea-b199-3a9799c54512_story.html?fbclid=IwAR05ME30XQfJq6g1gWCEklbfsVZEkv_p1SzJy0RB-kMzUY2OOIgAxwepAKo
I’m blocked on that. DA can you see it? What I’m really interested in is the age of the deceased. Getting an age breakdown of deaths seems quite difficult.
I was able to open it. From there:
>>The people who are dying, memorialized in page after page of L’Eco di Bergamo, are ex-politicians, electricians, emergency phone operators, priests. Most are in their 70s or 80s. <<
Nothing to say whether they were healthy 70s and 80s though. It might be knocking off the weak.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
Divine Angel said:
Fuck.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-obituaries-bergamo-italy/2020/03/16/6c342f02-66c7-11ea-b199-3a9799c54512_story.html?fbclid=IwAR05ME30XQfJq6g1gWCEklbfsVZEkv_p1SzJy0RB-kMzUY2OOIgAxwepAKo
I’m blocked on that. DA can you see it? What I’m really interested in is the age of the deceased. Getting an age breakdown of deaths seems quite difficult.
I was able to open it. From there:
>>The people who are dying, memorialized in page after page of L’Eco di Bergamo, are ex-politicians, electricians, emergency phone operators, priests. Most are in their 70s or 80s. <<
Nothing to say whether they were healthy 70s and 80s though. It might be knocking off the weak.
People over 65 and with compromised immune systems. Children are the most likely to be asymptomatic, according to ScoMo on my Teev just now.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:I’m blocked on that. DA can you see it? What I’m really interested in is the age of the deceased. Getting an age breakdown of deaths seems quite difficult.
I was able to open it. From there:
>>The people who are dying, memorialized in page after page of L’Eco di Bergamo, are ex-politicians, electricians, emergency phone operators, priests. Most are in their 70s or 80s. <<
Nothing to say whether they were healthy 70s and 80s though. It might be knocking off the weak.
People over 65 and with compromised immune systems. Children are the most likely to be asymptomatic, according to ScoMo on my Teev just now.
We weren’t talking about what ScoMo thinks/says. Looking for real stats.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:I was able to open it. From there:
>>The people who are dying, memorialized in page after page of L’Eco di Bergamo, are ex-politicians, electricians, emergency phone operators, priests. Most are in their 70s or 80s. <<
Nothing to say whether they were healthy 70s and 80s though. It might be knocking off the weak.
People over 65 and with compromised immune systems. Children are the most likely to be asymptomatic, according to ScoMo on my Teev just now.
We weren’t talking about what ScoMo thinks/says. Looking for real stats.
He’s supposed to be reading out what he has got from the chief health officer.
Situation report https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200316-sitrep-56-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=9fda7db2_6
reports so far.. https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/
When we went to Woolies at Cooloola Cove the other day, one of the staff told me that people had been coming from other regions to raid the store, just like this story.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-panic-buyers-hit-victorias-regional-towns/12065014
Michael V said:
When we went to Woolies at Cooloola Cove the other day, one of the staff told me that people had been coming from other regions to raid the store, just like this story.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-panic-buyers-hit-victorias-regional-towns/12065014
some stores in this reason ask to see you drivers license to check you address.
Mary Shelley was confined inside as a result of inclement weather. Her housemates made up ghost stories; she wrote Frankenstein.
Mrs V got a thing from a friend about a Taiwan “Hold your breath for Ten Seconds” daily to test whether you have COVID-19.
Sounded like crap to me. It is.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/taiwan-experts-self-check/
OK, looks like we have some figures from:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-18/coronavirus-covid-younger-people-also-risk-serious-illness-death/12059326
with the money shot being:
From that I cannot see what Norman Swan is spouting about and maybe, as PWM suggested yesterday, some journo should actually ask him a question about it rather than going yes, yes, yes.
sibeen said:
OK, looks like we have some figures from:https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-18/coronavirus-covid-younger-people-also-risk-serious-illness-death/12059326
with the money shot being:
From that I cannot see what Norman Swan is spouting about and maybe, as PWM suggested yesterday, some journo should actually ask him a question about it rather than going yes, yes, yes.
Question the words of Norman Swan?
How dare you even suggest it?
Thanks for the graph btw. Good to note that even if you get the virus and are over 80, you are much more likely to survive than not.
Jennifer Rankin
Jennifer Rankin
The UK is eligible to take part in a European Union wide-scheme on buying ventilators and other medical equipment needed in the coronavirus crisis.
A European commission spokesperson confirmed the UK was “eligible to participate in these joint procedures” despite leaving the EU on 31 January.
Under David Cameron, the British government in 2014 signed a voluntary “joint procurement agreement”, which was drawn up after the H1N1 pandemic of 2009 showed some countries found it difficult to get medical supplies on the open market. The agreement allows EU countries to band together to use their combined purchasing power to get a good deal on vaccines and other medical supplies.
sibeen said:
OK, looks like we have some figures from:https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-18/coronavirus-covid-younger-people-also-risk-serious-illness-death/12059326
with the money shot being:
From that I cannot see what Norman Swan is spouting about and maybe, as PWM suggested yesterday, some journo should actually ask him a question about it rather than going yes, yes, yes.
What was Norman Swan spouting?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-18/coronavirus-covid-younger-people-also-risk-serious-illness-death/12059326
4h ago 16:02
The fast food chain, McDonalds, is closing all seating areas and temporarily move to being takeaway, drive-through and delivery only in the UK and Ireland from 5am on Wednesday (GMT), it has said.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
3h ago 17:25
More than 650 Britons stuck on a cruise ship that has seen numerous virus cases will be flown back to the UK on Wednesday evening (GMT).
Fred Olsen Cruise Lines, which operates the Braemar liner, said three flights chartered from British Airways would fly to Heathrow from Jose Marti airport, in Havana, in Cuba. The first will take off from Havana at 6pm local time (10pm GMT), landing in London at 6.30am GMT. The final flight will land at 10.30am GMT.
The company said there would be a separate flight for anyone who has received a positive diagnosis for coronavirus, or has displayed any flu-like symptoms, plus their companions. The firm said:
All guests on this flight will have medical professionals available and will have support with any onward travel arrangements or requirements. In accordance with advice from Public Health England, all guests on this flight will be required to self-isolate for 14 days once they have returned home. We are making arrangements for guests flying back to London Heathrow, including access to coach transfers to either London Gatwick or Manchester airports, where their outbound flights for this cruise departed from. Guests booked via a Tour Operator should wait to receive more information from them.Guests on the British Airways flights will not be required to self-isolate
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
OK, looks like we have some figures from:https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-18/coronavirus-covid-younger-people-also-risk-serious-illness-death/12059326
with the money shot being:
From that I cannot see what Norman Swan is spouting about and maybe, as PWM suggested yesterday, some journo should actually ask him a question about it rather than going yes, yes, yes.
What was Norman Swan spouting?
bullshit, just like the cronies the politicians have hired to advise them have been telling them what they want to hear*
we’re fucked, because even if we survive this, the sycophants will still be in advisory roles and guiding disgraceful policies
if any of you knows how to replace this with an expert-based system please help now
*: see also https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-news-anzac-day/12064922?nw=0&pfmredir=sm “Modeled on Singapore’s approach, the official advice is that schools will remain open.” we are not Singapore
2h ago 22:38
Australia announces six months of isolation measures
Australians have been told they face at least six months of restrictions to their daily lives as the country’s prime minister, Scott Morrison, set out a host of measures designed to combat the spread of the virus.
Morrison has advised Australians not to gather in groups of more than 100, declared a human biosecurity emergency and told Australians they should not to travel internationally, adding that the anti-virus measures are likely to be in place for at least six months.
He also asked Australians to stop hoarding household items, saying it was not helpful, and said he was considering further economic measures.
However, he advised Australians that they government considers domestic travel to be low-risk and said schools should remain open.
—-
Isolate for six months but do not stock pile.
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
OK, looks like we have some figures from:https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-18/coronavirus-covid-younger-people-also-risk-serious-illness-death/12059326
with the money shot being:
From that I cannot see what Norman Swan is spouting about and maybe, as PWM suggested yesterday, some journo should actually ask him a question about it rather than going yes, yes, yes.
What was Norman Swan spouting?
https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/2582280068760442/?t=195
Listen to the last minute.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
OK, looks like we have some figures from:https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-18/coronavirus-covid-younger-people-also-risk-serious-illness-death/12059326
with the money shot being:
From that I cannot see what Norman Swan is spouting about and maybe, as PWM suggested yesterday, some journo should actually ask him a question about it rather than going yes, yes, yes.
What was Norman Swan spouting?
bullshit, just like the cronies the politicians have hired to advise them have been telling them what they want to hear*
we’re fucked, because even if we survive this, the sycophants will still be in advisory roles and guiding disgraceful policies
if any of you knows how to replace this with an expert-based system please help now
*: see also https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-news-anzac-day/12064922?nw=0&pfmredir=sm “Modeled on Singapore’s approach, the official advice is that schools will remain open.” we are not Singapore
What was the Swan Bullshit?
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
OK, looks like we have some figures from:https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-18/coronavirus-covid-younger-people-also-risk-serious-illness-death/12059326
with the money shot being:
From that I cannot see what Norman Swan is spouting about and maybe, as PWM suggested yesterday, some journo should actually ask him a question about it rather than going yes, yes, yes.
What was Norman Swan spouting?
https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/2582280068760442/?t=195
Listen to the last minute.
That takes me to a video about SAS in Afganistan.
Precis?
Imagine how fucked we’ll be if this is a yearly pandemic
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
OK, looks like we have some figures from:https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-18/coronavirus-covid-younger-people-also-risk-serious-illness-death/12059326
with the money shot being:
From that I cannot see what Norman Swan is spouting about and maybe, as PWM suggested yesterday, some journo should actually ask him a question about it rather than going yes, yes, yes.
What was Norman Swan spouting?
https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/2582280068760442/?t=195
Listen to the last minute.
OK, so he didn’t actually say anything wrong, but it might be considered misleading.
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:What was Norman Swan spouting?
https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/2582280068760442/?t=195
Listen to the last minute.
That takes me to a video about SAS in Afganistan.
Precis?
MV, go to it again and on the top video quickly pause it and then go to the start of that video – “Self-isolation and coronavirus – RN Breakfast”
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:What was Norman Swan spouting?
https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/2582280068760442/?t=195
Listen to the last minute.
OK, so he didn’t actually say anything wrong, but it might be considered misleading.
too late, they’ve boarded the bus.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:What was Norman Swan spouting?
https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/2582280068760442/?t=195
Listen to the last minute.
OK, so he didn’t actually say anything wrong, but it might be considered misleading.
He stated that young people are dying and that they are dying without underlying conditions.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/2582280068760442/?t=195
Listen to the last minute.
OK, so he didn’t actually say anything wrong, but it might be considered misleading.
too late, they’ve boarded the bus.
“The Government says it is following the advice of its health experts, that young people are a low risk group and closing schools would put severe pressure on health workers and the the economy more broadly.”
lol more lies
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:What was Norman Swan spouting?
https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/2582280068760442/?t=195
Listen to the last minute.
That takes me to a video about SAS in Afganistan.
Precis?
Worked for me.
My precis is: when you have large numbers, a proportion of young people have very severe symptoms and some die, so it’s not just an old person’s problem.
He didn’t actually say that the risk is as great or nearly as great for young people as it is for old people, but I guess it might come across that way.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/2582280068760442/?t=195
Listen to the last minute.
That takes me to a video about SAS in Afganistan.
Precis?
MV, go to it again and on the top video quickly pause it and then go to the start of that video – “Self-isolation and coronavirus – RN Breakfast”
Got this”
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Michael V said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:That takes me to a video about SAS in Afganistan.
Precis?
MV, go to it again and on the top video quickly pause it and then go to the start of that video – “Self-isolation and coronavirus – RN Breakfast”
Got this”
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i can get it.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/2582280068760442/?t=195
Listen to the last minute.
OK, so he didn’t actually say anything wrong, but it might be considered misleading.
too late, they’ve boarded the bus.
Just pretend Scomo said it and put the fear of God into 30 and 40 year olds with out any substantive evidence.
Then you can order a fleet of buses.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/2582280068760442/?t=195
Listen to the last minute.
OK, so he didn’t actually say anything wrong, but it might be considered misleading.
He stated that young people are dying and that they are dying without underlying conditions.
Are you saying that is wrong?
I guess this idea that it’s an older persons issue means that many people will become a bit lax on the precautions.. “Meh, even if I get it I’ll be fine”. sort of thing. By discussing the facts that anyone can be infected and sometimes that might lead to severe illness or death is diffusing the attitude of ‘meh’.
Maybe that’s his agenda.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/2582280068760442/?t=195
Listen to the last minute.
That takes me to a video about SAS in Afganistan.
Precis?
Worked for me.
My precis is: when you have large numbers, a proportion of young people have very severe symptoms and some die, so it’s not just an old person’s problem.
He didn’t actually say that the risk is as great or nearly as great for young people as it is for old people, but I guess it might come across that way.
Ta.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OK, so he didn’t actually say anything wrong, but it might be considered misleading.
He stated that young people are dying and that they are dying without underlying conditions.
Are you saying that is wrong?
Looking at the graph and the percentage of deaths in that cohort I’d have to say that the claims can be called, at best, overblown.
Cymek said:
Imagine how fucked we’ll be if this is a yearly pandemic
the virus will evolve, adapt, couple errors in the replicator will proliferate, it’ll find an acceptable death rate, so everyone can relax the distancing, the flu and common colds will be happier too, they’re feeling isolated at the moment, parties and fewer and farther between
Arts said:
I guess this idea that it’s an older persons issue means that many people will become a bit lax on the precautions.. “Meh, even if I get it I’ll be fine”. sort of thing. By discussing the facts that anyone can be infected and sometimes that might lead to severe illness or death is diffusing the attitude of ‘meh’.Maybe that’s his agenda.
Fair enough if it is.
I’ll do what’s needed, not panic or be a dick about food but will look after me and mine and step up if required
MV watch it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzzGBCMF87E&feature=youtu.be
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:He stated that young people are dying and that they are dying without underlying conditions.
Are you saying that is wrong?
Looking at the graph and the percentage of deaths in that cohort I’d have to say that the claims can be called, at best, overblown.
Well he said the deaths only appear when there are large numbers, which implies that the % is very small.
ChrispenEvan said:
MV watch it herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzzGBCMF87E&feature=youtu.be
Ta.
transition said:
Cymek said:
Imagine how fucked we’ll be if this is a yearly pandemic
the virus will evolve, adapt, couple errors in the replicator will proliferate, it’ll find an acceptable death rate, so everyone can relax the distancing, the flu and common colds will be happier too, they’re feeling isolated at the moment, parties
andfewer and farther between
are
Project Alice will be activated soon I imagine as the T virus spreads
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Are you saying that is wrong?
Looking at the graph and the percentage of deaths in that cohort I’d have to say that the claims can be called, at best, overblown.
Well he said the deaths only appear when there are large numbers, which implies that the % is very small.
Italy has had 2503 deaths. Eyeballing that graph I’d say that the max combined total in the 30 to 50 bracket would be 0.3%. So perhaps 7 people. I’d have to call that overblown to even bring it up.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:Looking at the graph and the percentage of deaths in that cohort I’d have to say that the claims can be called, at best, overblown.
Well he said the deaths only appear when there are large numbers, which implies that the % is very small.
Italy has had 2503 deaths. Eyeballing that graph I’d say that the max combined total in the 30 to 50 bracket would be 0.3%. So perhaps 7 people. I’d have to call that overblown to even bring it up.
but disinformation is fun
ChrispenEvan said:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
Thank you. I’ve passed that link on to my family members.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:Looking at the graph and the percentage of deaths in that cohort I’d have to say that the claims can be called, at best, overblown.
Well he said the deaths only appear when there are large numbers, which implies that the % is very small.
Italy has had 2503 deaths. Eyeballing that graph I’d say that the max combined total in the 30 to 50 bracket would be 0.3%. So perhaps 7 people. I’d have to call that overblown to even bring it up.
7 avoidable deaths shouldn’t be mentioned?
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
Thank you. I’ve passed that link on to my family members.
That is a very good link. Thank you, Boris.
Tau.Neutrino said:
On a roll: The psychology behind toilet paper panic
everything you need to know is in the exploration of the thought experiment, like if I supplied you with toilet paper of a mid to dark brown color
getting too much reality from news is a bit like using brown-colored shiny toilet paper
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Are you saying that is wrong?
Looking at the graph and the percentage of deaths in that cohort I’d have to say that the claims can be called, at best, overblown.
Well he said the deaths only appear when there are large numbers, which implies that the % is very small.
He cocked up, he was telling an anecdote from some friends in Italy.
Anecdote is not data and the available data does not support the anecdote and it no doubt caused some people un-necessary anxiety.
And he wont be brought to book about it because…….well he’s from the ABC.
Normally he’s very good and I listen to his excellent health Report on RN regularly so I’ll cut him a bit of slack.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:Looking at the graph and the percentage of deaths in that cohort I’d have to say that the claims can be called, at best, overblown.
Well he said the deaths only appear when there are large numbers, which implies that the % is very small.
Italy has had 2503 deaths. Eyeballing that graph I’d say that the max combined total in the 30 to 50 bracket would be 0.3%. So perhaps 7 people. I’d have to call that overblown to even bring it up.
Prioritising younger people for treatment over older people when they have limited beds and staff would skew the survival figures?
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:Looking at the graph and the percentage of deaths in that cohort I’d have to say that the claims can be called, at best, overblown.
Well he said the deaths only appear when there are large numbers, which implies that the % is very small.
He cocked up, he was telling an anecdote from some friends in Italy.
Anecdote is not data and the available data does not support the anecdote and it no doubt caused some people un-necessary anxiety.
And he wont be brought to book about it because…….well he’s from the ABC.
Normally he’s very good and I listen to his excellent health Report on RN regularly so I’ll cut him a bit of slack.
the guy is running the podcast on this.. he should be better than anecdote really, or at least tell it as an anecdote rather than fact
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well he said the deaths only appear when there are large numbers, which implies that the % is very small.
Italy has had 2503 deaths. Eyeballing that graph I’d say that the max combined total in the 30 to 50 bracket would be 0.3%. So perhaps 7 people. I’d have to call that overblown to even bring it up.
7 avoidable deaths shouldn’t be mentioned?
as a scare tactic ¿ probably needed more context than throwaway
Cymek said:
Imagine how fucked we’ll be if this is a yearly pandemic
looks like they’re expecting another one in less than a decade
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:Italy has had 2503 deaths. Eyeballing that graph I’d say that the max combined total in the 30 to 50 bracket would be 0.3%. So perhaps 7 people. I’d have to call that overblown to even bring it up.
7 avoidable deaths shouldn’t be mentioned?
as a scare tactic ¿ probably needed more context than throwaway
Probably need to know if they were sick young folk who should have been protected by other people who knew they wouldn’t be able to cope with infections. You know, like you normally do with your friends and family who have other things wrong with them.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:Italy has had 2503 deaths. Eyeballing that graph I’d say that the max combined total in the 30 to 50 bracket would be 0.3%. So perhaps 7 people. I’d have to call that overblown to even bring it up.
7 avoidable deaths shouldn’t be mentioned?
as a scare tactic ¿ probably needed more context than throwaway
He stated the context.
You only get significant numbers of younger people affected when the total numbers are very high.
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well he said the deaths only appear when there are large numbers, which implies that the % is very small.
He cocked up, he was telling an anecdote from some friends in Italy.
Anecdote is not data and the available data does not support the anecdote and it no doubt caused some people un-necessary anxiety.
And he wont be brought to book about it because…….well he’s from the ABC.
Normally he’s very good and I listen to his excellent health Report on RN regularly so I’ll cut him a bit of slack.
the guy is running the podcast on this.. he should be better than anecdote really, or at least tell it as an anecdote rather than fact
What was the fact he got wrong again?
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:7 avoidable deaths shouldn’t be mentioned?
as a scare tactic ¿ probably needed more context than throwaway
He stated the context.
You only get significant numbers of younger people affected when the total numbers are very high.
so basically a normal situation then, somehow being used as a scare tactic
Norman’s podcast today starts with a misinformation correction, and they invite people to contact them if they think there is misinformation.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/where-did-coronavirus-really-start-spoiler-not-a-cia-lab/12062910
ruby said:
Norman’s podcast today starts with a misinformation correction, and they invite people to contact them if they think there is misinformation.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/where-did-coronavirus-really-start-spoiler-not-a-cia-lab/12062910
I’m following him on Twitter. He’s correcting misinformation as it comes through.
People are treating him like some kind of virologist crystal ball fortune teller. As a society, we do not like the unknown.
ruby said:
Norman’s podcast today starts with a misinformation correction, and they invite people to contact them if they think there is misinformation.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/where-did-coronavirus-really-start-spoiler-not-a-cia-lab/12062910
So the correction nothing to do with the incidence of severe illness and death amongst younger people.
ruby said:
Norman’s podcast today starts with a misinformation correction, and they invite people to contact them if they think there is misinformation.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/where-did-coronavirus-really-start-spoiler-not-a-cia-lab/12062910
here’s what the previous responses in the previous thread seemed to refer to
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-15/dr-norman-swan-recommends-proactive-national-lockdown/12057956
07:17
what does “plenty” mean to you, 07 ¿ 17 ¿
The Rev Dodgson said:
ruby said:
Norman’s podcast today starts with a misinformation correction, and they invite people to contact them if they think there is misinformation.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/where-did-coronavirus-really-start-spoiler-not-a-cia-lab/12062910
So the correction nothing to do with the incidence of severe illness and death amongst younger people.
yes, that’s why ‘e made it a de novo post to thread, and not a reply to the younger people
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ruby said:
Norman’s podcast today starts with a misinformation correction, and they invite people to contact them if they think there is misinformation.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/where-did-coronavirus-really-start-spoiler-not-a-cia-lab/12062910
So the correction nothing to do with the incidence of severe illness and death amongst younger people.
yes, that’s why ‘e made it a de novo post to thread, and not a reply to the younger people
Yeah, but, the invitation to contact them if you think there is misinformation……go for it…..
SCIENCE said:
ruby said:
Norman’s podcast today starts with a misinformation correction, and they invite people to contact them if they think there is misinformation.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/where-did-coronavirus-really-start-spoiler-not-a-cia-lab/12062910
here’s what the previous responses in the previous thread seemed to refer to
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-15/dr-norman-swan-recommends-proactive-national-lockdown/12057956
07:17
what does “plenty” mean to you, 07 ¿ 17 ¿
That’s a different video to the one we were discussing earlier, but in reply to your question, yes, in the context of deaths over a period of a few weeks, I would consider both 7 and 17 (and indeed numbers in between) to be “plenty”.
ruby said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So the correction nothing to do with the incidence of severe illness and death amongst younger people.
yes, that’s why ‘e made it a de novo post to thread, and not a reply to the younger people
Yeah, but, the invitation to contact them if you think there is misinformation……go for it…..
see above for what we already know the response will be
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
ruby said:
Norman’s podcast today starts with a misinformation correction, and they invite people to contact them if they think there is misinformation.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/where-did-coronavirus-really-start-spoiler-not-a-cia-lab/12062910
here’s what the previous responses in the previous thread seemed to refer to
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-15/dr-norman-swan-recommends-proactive-national-lockdown/12057956
07:17
what does “plenty” mean to you, 07 ¿ 17 ¿
That’s a different video to the one we were discussing earlier, but in reply to your question, yes, in the context of deaths over a period of a few weeks, I would consider both 7 and 17 (and indeed numbers in between) to be “plenty”.
we don’t always disagree but this isn’t one of those times that we don’t define things differently
45s ago 01:18
Australian prime minister Scott Morrison has told the country that hoarding is ‘unAustralian’
sarahs mum said:
45s ago 01:18Australian prime minister Scott Morrison has told the country that hoarding is ‘unAustralian’
well, it’s true
if you happened to luck into a stack of cash, you should be giving it away to your favourite reef launderers, or sports clubs, or millionaire trades ambassadors
sarahs mum said:
45s ago 01:18Australian prime minister Scott Morrison has told the country that hoarding is ‘unAustralian’
excellent, that’ll hopefully fix things.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
Thank you. I’ve passed that link on to my family members.
That is a very good link. Thank you, Boris.
what do you want?
:-)
no worries.
It is almost the bedrock of our society. That first fleet, you can be sure that they bought a hoard of stuff before they left port…
You can no longer eat in-store at KFC, nor Krispy Kreme as from tomorrow.
my brother works for a company involved in pharmaceutical supplies, amongst other things. Email from him just now:
————————————————————————-
In terms of Covid19, the city has stopped. We haven’t been able to fly for a couple of weeks (good for me as I was meant to be in Sydney yesterday & again tomorrow!) & we have gone to “work from home” for everyone (no visitors allowed into any office) & our sales have exploded through the roof. Sales are apparently roughly up 50%, which is pretty amazing when you consider that we are ~60% of A/NZ’s pharmacy supplies. Products are here, it is just hard to get them through the warehouses quickly enough. Apparently the pharmacy warehouses are focused on only delivering drugs & just ignoring FMCG now until we get back on track. And was talking with the head of our medical consumables business this morning (to hospitals, aged care & GP clinics) & he is having the same problem. Sometimes we have to ration out supply & every customer thinks they are special.
Expectations seem to be that we will bottom out in May to June, but start to recover in Jul/Aug. But the economic impact of this is likely to drag on quite a bit longer …
——————————————————
Particularly note, from the horse’s mouth: “Products are here, it is just hard to get them through the warehouses quickly enough. Apparently the pharmacy warehouses are focused on only delivering drugs & just ignoring FMCG now until we get back on track. “
buffy said:
my brother works for a company involved in pharmaceutical supplies, amongst other things. Email from him just now:————————————————————————-
In terms of Covid19, the city has stopped. We haven’t been able to fly for a couple of weeks (good for me as I was meant to be in Sydney yesterday & again tomorrow!) & we have gone to “work from home” for everyone (no visitors allowed into any office) & our sales have exploded through the roof. Sales are apparently roughly up 50%, which is pretty amazing when you consider that we are ~60% of A/NZ’s pharmacy supplies. Products are here, it is just hard to get them through the warehouses quickly enough. Apparently the pharmacy warehouses are focused on only delivering drugs & just ignoring FMCG now until we get back on track. And was talking with the head of our medical consumables business this morning (to hospitals, aged care & GP clinics) & he is having the same problem. Sometimes we have to ration out supply & every customer thinks they are special.Expectations seem to be that we will bottom out in May to June, but start to recover in Jul/Aug. But the economic impact of this is likely to drag on quite a bit longer …
——————————————————
Particularly note, from the horse’s mouth: “Products are here, it is just hard to get them through the warehouses quickly enough. Apparently the pharmacy warehouses are focused on only delivering drugs & just ignoring FMCG now until we get back on track. “
FMCG = fast moving consumer goods?
party_pants said:
buffy said:
my brother works for a company involved in pharmaceutical supplies, amongst other things. Email from him just now:————————————————————————-
In terms of Covid19, the city has stopped. We haven’t been able to fly for a couple of weeks (good for me as I was meant to be in Sydney yesterday & again tomorrow!) & we have gone to “work from home” for everyone (no visitors allowed into any office) & our sales have exploded through the roof. Sales are apparently roughly up 50%, which is pretty amazing when you consider that we are ~60% of A/NZ’s pharmacy supplies. Products are here, it is just hard to get them through the warehouses quickly enough. Apparently the pharmacy warehouses are focused on only delivering drugs & just ignoring FMCG now until we get back on track. And was talking with the head of our medical consumables business this morning (to hospitals, aged care & GP clinics) & he is having the same problem. Sometimes we have to ration out supply & every customer thinks they are special.Expectations seem to be that we will bottom out in May to June, but start to recover in Jul/Aug. But the economic impact of this is likely to drag on quite a bit longer …
——————————————————
Particularly note, from the horse’s mouth: “Products are here, it is just hard to get them through the warehouses quickly enough. Apparently the pharmacy warehouses are focused on only delivering drugs & just ignoring FMCG now until we get back on track. “
FMCG = fast moving consumer goods?
FreMantleCricketGround
Chatting to the ladies who stock the shelves. “If this goes on we will have to close the supermarket”.
Busloads coming to the country and buying all our stuff.
roughbarked said:
Chatting to the ladies who stock the shelves. “If this goes on we will have to close the supermarket”.Busloads coming to the country and buying all our stuff.
That’s a low act
party_pants said:
buffy said:
my brother works for a company involved in pharmaceutical supplies, amongst other things. Email from him just now:————————————————————————-
In terms of Covid19, the city has stopped. We haven’t been able to fly for a couple of weeks (good for me as I was meant to be in Sydney yesterday & again tomorrow!) & we have gone to “work from home” for everyone (no visitors allowed into any office) & our sales have exploded through the roof. Sales are apparently roughly up 50%, which is pretty amazing when you consider that we are ~60% of A/NZ’s pharmacy supplies. Products are here, it is just hard to get them through the warehouses quickly enough. Apparently the pharmacy warehouses are focused on only delivering drugs & just ignoring FMCG now until we get back on track. And was talking with the head of our medical consumables business this morning (to hospitals, aged care & GP clinics) & he is having the same problem. Sometimes we have to ration out supply & every customer thinks they are special.Expectations seem to be that we will bottom out in May to June, but start to recover in Jul/Aug. But the economic impact of this is likely to drag on quite a bit longer …
——————————————————
Particularly note, from the horse’s mouth: “Products are here, it is just hard to get them through the warehouses quickly enough. Apparently the pharmacy warehouses are focused on only delivering drugs & just ignoring FMCG now until we get back on track. “
FMCG = fast moving consumer goods?
Sorry, I don’t actually know. poik might.
And Mum’s nursing home has shut the doors to visitors today. I’m presuming my letters will still go in. The email only says no physical visits.
buffy said:
And Mum’s nursing home has shut the doors to visitors today. I’m presuming my letters will still go in. The email only says no physical visits.
everyone’s short on flour at the moment so make sure you include some in the envelope
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
And Mum’s nursing home has shut the doors to visitors today. I’m presuming my letters will still go in. The email only says no physical visits.everyone’s short on flour at the moment so make sure you include some in the envelope
You’re devious…
furious said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
And Mum’s nursing home has shut the doors to visitors today. I’m presuming my letters will still go in. The email only says no physical visits.everyone’s short on flour at the moment so make sure you include some in the envelope
You’re devious…
You could write on rice paper.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
And Mum’s nursing home has shut the doors to visitors today. I’m presuming my letters will still go in. The email only says no physical visits.everyone’s short on flour at the moment so make sure you include some in the envelope
How can I stockpile the internet? I needs six month’s supply. Urgently. Should I start downloading now, just in case the internet runs out?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-pandemic-schools-to-stay-open/12066116
“The impact on the availability of health workers — a 30 per cent impact on the availability of health workers.”
—
Is this true?
Obviously you’d want to balance this with the fact that if it spreads across schools, then 100% of hospitals will be overwhelmed (id est, there is no comparison, just fkn let people stay off school already).
But serious question is, how did the countries who shut their schools and also kept the spread under control, deal with this “problem”?
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
And Mum’s nursing home has shut the doors to visitors today. I’m presuming my letters will still go in. The email only says no physical visits.everyone’s short on flour at the moment so make sure you include some in the envelope
How can I stockpile the internet? I needs six month’s supply. Urgently. Should I start downloading now, just in case the internet runs out?
I’ve got years worth of tv shows and movies to watch and games to play (damn those always online games though they won’t work)
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
And Mum’s nursing home has shut the doors to visitors today. I’m presuming my letters will still go in. The email only says no physical visits.everyone’s short on flour at the moment so make sure you include some in the envelope
How can I stockpile the internet? I needs six month’s supply. Urgently. Should I start downloading now, just in case the internet runs out?
Go to South Korea. It has certain things going for it, like * COVID-19 spread under control, and * fastest internet in the world.
Oh, wait, https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/federal-government-cabinet-coronavirus-gatherings-aged-care/12065822 Scott Morrison tells Australians not to leave the country, this is more and more like some police state every day.
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-pandemic-schools-to-stay-open/12066116“The impact on the availability of health workers — a 30 per cent impact on the availability of health workers.”
—
Is this true?
Obviously you’d want to balance this with the fact that if it spreads across schools, then 100% of hospitals will be overwhelmed (id est, there is no comparison, just fkn let people stay off school already).
But serious question is, how did the countries who shut their schools and also kept the spread under control, deal with this “problem”?
I posted yesterday that they are hiring a lot of health workers from various disciplines to cope with the virus it even mentioned hours are negotiable
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
And Mum’s nursing home has shut the doors to visitors today. I’m presuming my letters will still go in. The email only says no physical visits.everyone’s short on flour at the moment so make sure you include some in the envelope
How can I stockpile the internet? I needs six month’s supply. Urgently. Should I start downloading now, just in case the internet runs out?
Go to South Korea. It has certain things going for it, like
Oh, wait, https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/federal-government-cabinet-coronavirus-gatherings-aged-care/12065822 Scott Morrison tells Australians not to leave the country, this is more and more like some police state every day.
Domestic servants…
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This is a real time resource, scroll down to countries, the last column is interesting.
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-pandemic-schools-to-stay-open/12066116“The impact on the availability of health workers — a 30 per cent impact on the availability of health workers.”
—
Is this true?
Obviously you’d want to balance this with the fact that if it spreads across schools, then 100% of hospitals will be overwhelmed (id est, there is no comparison, just fkn let people stay off school already).
But serious question is, how did the countries who shut their schools and also kept the spread under control, deal with this “problem”?
I posted yesterday that they are hiring a lot of health workers from various disciplines to cope with the virus it even mentioned hours are negotiable
Thanks.
(If this was in the other thread then we blame Tau.Neutrino for the moviespam but ‘e’s since apologised https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1517928/ so accepted.)
3m ago 13:20
Federal Labor is calling on local councils to immediately lift truck delivery curfews, saying they are restricting the ability of supermarkets to restock.
The shadow local government minister, Jason Clare, said a temporary relaxation of curfews could help supermarkets restock shelves and keep up with the increase in demand.
“To respond to the current surge in demand, expected to last for at least several weeks, it is important that local governments’ temporarily lift these curfews,” Clare said.
“Importantly, this will help reduce panic buying and hoarding as people will regain confidence that all they need is available in the supermarket.”
He said that Woolworths and Coles saw the curfews as a genuine limitation to their ability to restock in many local government areas.
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-pandemic-schools-to-stay-open/12066116“The impact on the availability of health workers — a 30 per cent impact on the availability of health workers.”
—
Is this true?
Obviously you’d want to balance this with the fact that if it spreads across schools, then 100% of hospitals will be overwhelmed (id est, there is no comparison, just fkn let people stay off school already).
But serious question is, how did the countries who shut their schools and also kept the spread under control, deal with this “problem”?
I posted yesterday that they are hiring a lot of health workers from various disciplines to cope with the virus it even mentioned hours are negotiable
Thanks.
(If this was in the other thread then we blame Tau.Neutrino for the moviespam but ‘e’s since apologised https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1517928/ so accepted.)
I think it was for 6 months with the possibility of being extended for another 6 months
Peak Warming Man said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This is a real time resource, scroll down to countries, the last column is interesting.
Glad to see that Slovenia are coping well.
sarahs mum said:
3m ago 13:20Federal Labor is calling on local councils to immediately lift truck delivery curfews, saying they are restricting the ability of supermarkets to restock.
The shadow local government minister, Jason Clare, said a temporary relaxation of curfews could help supermarkets restock shelves and keep up with the increase in demand.
“To respond to the current surge in demand, expected to last for at least several weeks, it is important that local governments’ temporarily lift these curfews,” Clare said.
“Importantly, this will help reduce panic buying and hoarding as people will regain confidence that all they need is available in the supermarket.”
He said that Woolworths and Coles saw the curfews as a genuine limitation to their ability to restock in many local government areas.
Seems sensible.
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This is a real time resource, scroll down to countries, the last column is interesting.
Glad to see that Slovenia are coping well.
?
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:3m ago 13:20Federal Labor is calling on local councils to immediately lift truck delivery curfews, saying they are restricting the ability of supermarkets to restock.
The shadow local government minister, Jason Clare, said a temporary relaxation of curfews could help supermarkets restock shelves and keep up with the increase in demand.
“To respond to the current surge in demand, expected to last for at least several weeks, it is important that local governments’ temporarily lift these curfews,” Clare said.
“Importantly, this will help reduce panic buying and hoarding as people will regain confidence that all they need is available in the supermarket.”
He said that Woolworths and Coles saw the curfews as a genuine limitation to their ability to restock in many local government areas.
Seems sensible.
I’m good.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:3m ago 13:20Federal Labor is calling on local councils to immediately lift truck delivery curfews, saying they are restricting the ability of supermarkets to restock.
The shadow local government minister, Jason Clare, said a temporary relaxation of curfews could help supermarkets restock shelves and keep up with the increase in demand.
“To respond to the current surge in demand, expected to last for at least several weeks, it is important that local governments’ temporarily lift these curfews,” Clare said.
“Importantly, this will help reduce panic buying and hoarding as people will regain confidence that all they need is available in the supermarket.”
He said that Woolworths and Coles saw the curfews as a genuine limitation to their ability to restock in many local government areas.
Seems sensible.
Apparently the police at Cowra turned away busloads coming in to buy up all the supermart shelves.
Clive Palmer has donated $1m to fund a COVID vaccine. (One small paragraph at bottom of article.)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-queensland-supermarket-restock-all-hours-tom-hanks/12063106
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
And Mum’s nursing home has shut the doors to visitors today. I’m presuming my letters will still go in. The email only says no physical visits.everyone’s short on flour at the moment so make sure you include some in the envelope
How can I stockpile the internet? I needs six month’s supply. Urgently. Should I start downloading now, just in case the internet runs out?
I believe we are limited to two internets per customer.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This is a real time resource, scroll down to countries, the last column is interesting.
Glad to see that Slovenia are coping well.
?
It is my new favourite EU country.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:3m ago 13:20Federal Labor is calling on local councils to immediately lift truck delivery curfews, saying they are restricting the ability of supermarkets to restock.
The shadow local government minister, Jason Clare, said a temporary relaxation of curfews could help supermarkets restock shelves and keep up with the increase in demand.
“To respond to the current surge in demand, expected to last for at least several weeks, it is important that local governments’ temporarily lift these curfews,” Clare said.
“Importantly, this will help reduce panic buying and hoarding as people will regain confidence that all they need is available in the supermarket.”
He said that Woolworths and Coles saw the curfews as a genuine limitation to their ability to restock in many local government areas.
Seems sensible.
I’m good.
Even more important for rural areas where the trucks have longer journey times.
biggest challenge of the new corona is the exponential of unknown transmissions is potentially so steep, so exceeds evident infection, that the lag in identifying infection (or possible infection) can render tracking, projection, isolation and quarantining ineffective at flattening the infection rate curve (sooner is much better)
in its milder forms it’s indistinguishable from the ignorable symptoms of (other) common colds (including flu), if any symptoms at all
the death rate only looks really bad if it’s allowed to explode, seen per time. Not to be understood as trivializing serious illness and death
the (human) hosts shed a lot of virus very early into infection, which drops off fairly quickly when the immune system gets onto it properly
what exactly happens in the more adverse outcomes, comes down down to immune system response, and people can be quite different, as seen with allergies for example. And more general state of health
the new corona jumps host-to-host rapidly unchecked, without prophylactic behaviors, doesn’t need inhabit a host long to do that
you could catch it by breathing in near someone emptying their lungs saying coronavirus
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Glad to see that Slovenia are coping well.
?
It is my new favourite EU country.
WHAT? Even above Liechtenstein?
Arts said:
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:everyone’s short on flour at the moment so make sure you include some in the envelope
How can I stockpile the internet? I needs six month’s supply. Urgently. Should I start downloading now, just in case the internet runs out?
I believe we are limited to two internets per customer.
And no coming up here in the bush & pirating ours.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:?
It is my new favourite EU country.
WHAT? Even above Liechtenstein?
You should be support Australia and cheer for Widgiemooltha
https://www.facebook.com/TheAMShowNZ/videos/684353775637887/?t=233
so this lady said something that I found interesting: the countries that are implementing plans that are working are countries that had to deal with SARS.
hmmmmmm.
Arts said:
https://www.facebook.com/TheAMShowNZ/videos/684353775637887/?t=233so this lady said something that I found interesting: the countries that are implementing plans that are working are countries that had to deal with SARS.
hmmmmmm.
yes we did speculate on that in previous thread
antiexpertise, it works until reality hits
Obviousman said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:It is my new favourite EU country.
WHAT? Even above Liechtenstein?
You should be support Australia and cheer for Widgiemooltha
Is the supermarket open?
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:
https://www.facebook.com/TheAMShowNZ/videos/684353775637887/?t=233so this lady said something that I found interesting: the countries that are implementing plans that are working are countries that had to deal with SARS.
hmmmmmm.
yes we did speculate on that in previous thread
antiexpertise, it works until reality hits
ah I missed it.. carry on (and keep calm)
Arts said:
https://www.facebook.com/TheAMShowNZ/videos/684353775637887/?t=233so this lady said something that I found interesting: the countries that are implementing plans that are working are countries that had to deal with SARS.
hmmmmmm.
I think this is right; only a few businesses here in Oz are being proactive, and the government is really playing catch-up (understanding the competing priorities they have to face).
I know my own company has been woeful.
Obviousman said:
Arts said:
https://www.facebook.com/TheAMShowNZ/videos/684353775637887/?t=233so this lady said something that I found interesting: the countries that are implementing plans that are working are countries that had to deal with SARS.
hmmmmmm.
I think this is right; only a few businesses here in Oz are being proactive, and the government is really playing catch-up (understanding the competing priorities they have to face).
I know my own company has been woeful.
I’ve seen a few stores closed in the Perth CBD but its business as usual for the most part.
I imagine it wouldn’t take much to bankrupt some of them if they close but still pay wages and rent
“Just stop it. Don’t do it” – ScoMo
How good is that, hey?
Obviousman said:
Arts said:
https://www.facebook.com/TheAMShowNZ/videos/684353775637887/?t=233so this lady said something that I found interesting: the countries that are implementing plans that are working are countries that had to deal with SARS.
hmmmmmm.
I think this is right; only a few businesses here in Oz are being proactive, and the government is really playing catch-up (understanding the competing priorities they have to face).
I know my own company has been woeful.
Isn’t your company the Navy?
Cymek said:
Obviousman said:
Arts said:
https://www.facebook.com/TheAMShowNZ/videos/684353775637887/?t=233so this lady said something that I found interesting: the countries that are implementing plans that are working are countries that had to deal with SARS.
hmmmmmm.
I think this is right; only a few businesses here in Oz are being proactive, and the government is really playing catch-up (understanding the competing priorities they have to face).
I know my own company has been woeful.
I’ve seen a few stores closed in the Perth CBD but its business as usual for the most part.
I imagine it wouldn’t take much to bankrupt some of them if they close but still pay wages and rent
Understood but we can work remotely… at least we could if the Defence VPN system hadn’t collapsed under the strain…. and this is before more login tokens have been issued.
Saying Defence IT is third world is paying it a great compliment. Your tax dollars at work.
sibeen said:
Obviousman said:
Arts said:
https://www.facebook.com/TheAMShowNZ/videos/684353775637887/?t=233so this lady said something that I found interesting: the countries that are implementing plans that are working are countries that had to deal with SARS.
hmmmmmm.
I think this is right; only a few businesses here in Oz are being proactive, and the government is really playing catch-up (understanding the competing priorities they have to face).
I know my own company has been woeful.
Isn’t your company the Navy?
No, I’m a gun runner these days but our client is still Defence.
Woodie said:
“Just stop it. Don’t do it” – ScoMoHow good is that, hey?
I messaged this to my wife and MIL when they went shopping yesterday
Obviousman said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:It is my new favourite EU country.
WHAT? Even above Liechtenstein?
You should be support Australia and cheer for Widgiemooltha
I’ve been to Widgiemooltha.
Peak Warming Man said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This is a real time resource, scroll down to countries, the last column is interesting.
I’ve been using that one since……………. well…. since.
What do you reckon – not enough data as yet? Bullshit?
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/coronavirus-people-with-type-a-blood-face-heightened-risk-of-infection/news-story/4941395c9dd615359a9390a26d00dfff
Obviousman said:
What do you reckon – not enough data as yet? Bullshit?https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/coronavirus-people-with-type-a-blood-face-heightened-risk-of-infection/news-story/4941395c9dd615359a9390a26d00dfff
Bugger
sibeen said:
Obviousman said:
What do you reckon – not enough data as yet? Bullshit?https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/coronavirus-people-with-type-a-blood-face-heightened-risk-of-infection/news-story/4941395c9dd615359a9390a26d00dfff
Bugger
Yep.
furious said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
And Mum’s nursing home has shut the doors to visitors today. I’m presuming my letters will still go in. The email only says no physical visits.everyone’s short on flour at the moment so make sure you include some in the envelope
You’re devious…
I used to send lolly parcels to my American nieces and nephews, making sure I included Whizz Fizz.
Obviousman said:
sibeen said:
Obviousman said:
What do you reckon – not enough data as yet? Bullshit?https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/coronavirus-people-with-type-a-blood-face-heightened-risk-of-infection/news-story/4941395c9dd615359a9390a26d00dfff
Bugger
Yep.
“According to the study, of 206 patients who had been killed by the virus in Wuhan, 85 had type A blood, which is 63 per cent more than those with type O blood.”
And the other ~69?
Obviousman said:
What do you reckon – not enough data as yet? Bullshit?https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/coronavirus-people-with-type-a-blood-face-heightened-risk-of-infection/news-story/4941395c9dd615359a9390a26d00dfff
Here’s the abstract.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.20031096v1
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-pandemic-schools-to-stay-open/12066116“The impact on the availability of health workers — a 30 per cent impact on the availability of health workers.”
—
Is this true?
Obviously you’d want to balance this with the fact that if it spreads across schools, then 100% of hospitals will be overwhelmed (id est, there is no comparison, just fkn let people stay off school already).
But serious question is, how did the countries who shut their schools and also kept the spread under control, deal with this “problem”?
I posted yesterday that they are hiring a lot of health workers from various disciplines to cope with the virus it even mentioned hours are negotiable
Yes, but realistically, are there many available to take up the offer of work? I doubt there are many doctors sitting around at home twiddling their thumbs.
furious said:
Obviousman said:
sibeen said:Bugger
Yep.
“According to the study, of 206 patients who had been killed by the virus in Wuhan, 85 had type A blood, which is 63 per cent more than those with type O blood.”
And the other ~69?
furious said:
Obviousman said:
sibeen said:Bugger
Yep.
“According to the study, of 206 patients who had been killed by the virus in Wuhan, 85 had type A blood, which is 63 per cent more than those with type O blood.”
And the other ~69?
furious said:
Obviousman said:
sibeen said:Bugger
Yep.
“According to the study, of 206 patients who had been killed by the virus in Wuhan, 85 had type A blood, which is 63 per cent more than those with type O blood.”
And the other ~69?
A, B, AB and O blood types.
So, in the B or AB groups.
Cymek said:
Obviousman said:
Arts said:
https://www.facebook.com/TheAMShowNZ/videos/684353775637887/?t=233so this lady said something that I found interesting: the countries that are implementing plans that are working are countries that had to deal with SARS.
hmmmmmm.
I think this is right; only a few businesses here in Oz are being proactive, and the government is really playing catch-up (understanding the competing priorities they have to face).
I know my own company has been woeful.
I’ve seen a few stores closed in the Perth CBD but its business as usual for the most part.
I imagine it wouldn’t take much to bankrupt some of them if they close but still pay wages and rent
If you are a micro business you have to stand down your employees because you can’t pay them. You would use up their leave of all sorts first, which you should have covered in what my accountant and I used to call my Panic Account (it had money for accumulated LSL etc in it). But after that you simply have to stand people down. It is something we had a loose plan in place for.
Michael V said:
furious said:
Obviousman said:Yep.
“According to the study, of 206 patients who had been killed by the virus in Wuhan, 85 had type A blood, which is 63 per cent more than those with type O blood.”
And the other ~69?
A, B, AB and O blood types.
So, in the B or AB groups.
I can’t see any logical reason blood type would have anything much to do with your immune response.
How to deal with “coronanxiety”.
https://ideas.ted.com/dear-guy-im-incredibly-anxious-about-coronavirus-what-can-i-do/?utm_content=ideas-blog&utm_campaign=social&utm_term=social-science&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR2k9xA2pOO8qjxrQ70mO8bVaMJhmfXcGvFVB7EvfI-vA5RQUeDx-s04vlY
buffy said:
Cymek said:
Obviousman said:I think this is right; only a few businesses here in Oz are being proactive, and the government is really playing catch-up (understanding the competing priorities they have to face).
I know my own company has been woeful.
I’ve seen a few stores closed in the Perth CBD but its business as usual for the most part.
I imagine it wouldn’t take much to bankrupt some of them if they close but still pay wages and rent
If you are a micro business you have to stand down your employees because you can’t pay them. You would use up their leave of all sorts first, which you should have covered in what my accountant and I used to call my Panic Account (it had money for accumulated LSL etc in it). But after that you simply have to stand people down. It is something we had a loose plan in place for.
Thank you for using ‘loose’ correctly!
buffy said:
Cymek said:
Obviousman said:I think this is right; only a few businesses here in Oz are being proactive, and the government is really playing catch-up (understanding the competing priorities they have to face).
I know my own company has been woeful.
I’ve seen a few stores closed in the Perth CBD but its business as usual for the most part.
I imagine it wouldn’t take much to bankrupt some of them if they close but still pay wages and rent
If you are a micro business you have to stand down your employees because you can’t pay them. You would use up their leave of all sorts first, which you should have covered in what my accountant and I used to call my Panic Account (it had money for accumulated LSL etc in it). But after that you simply have to stand people down. It is something we had a loose plan in place for.
If they have leave entitlements then they may also have redundancy entitlements, which cost a heap more. I would, if possible, negotiate with people about paying them a stipend, that you can afford, to tide them over and so the business stays afloat and so they can keep a foothold on the job for when things start up again…
furious said:
buffy said:
Cymek said:I’ve seen a few stores closed in the Perth CBD but its business as usual for the most part.
I imagine it wouldn’t take much to bankrupt some of them if they close but still pay wages and rent
If you are a micro business you have to stand down your employees because you can’t pay them. You would use up their leave of all sorts first, which you should have covered in what my accountant and I used to call my Panic Account (it had money for accumulated LSL etc in it). But after that you simply have to stand people down. It is something we had a loose plan in place for.
If they have leave entitlements then they may also have redundancy entitlements, which cost a heap more. I would, if possible, negotiate with people about paying them a stipend, that you can afford, to tide them over and so the business stays afloat and so they can keep a foothold on the job for when things start up again…
No redundancy requirements in micro businesses. I can’t remember the number, but we were too small to have to pay redundancy. And standing down means they are not redundant, they still have a job.
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.
Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
buffy said:
furious said:
buffy said:If you are a micro business you have to stand down your employees because you can’t pay them. You would use up their leave of all sorts first, which you should have covered in what my accountant and I used to call my Panic Account (it had money for accumulated LSL etc in it). But after that you simply have to stand people down. It is something we had a loose plan in place for.
If they have leave entitlements then they may also have redundancy entitlements, which cost a heap more. I would, if possible, negotiate with people about paying them a stipend, that you can afford, to tide them over and so the business stays afloat and so they can keep a foothold on the job for when things start up again…
No redundancy requirements in micro businesses. I can’t remember the number, but we were too small to have to pay redundancy. And standing down means they are not redundant, they still have a job.
Ok, thanks. I did not know that…
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Ahead of you there. Have you got a safe to keep it in though?
Woodie said:
Peak Warming Man said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This is a real time resource, scroll down to countries, the last column is interesting.
I’ve been using that one since……………. well…. since.
Don’t go to San Merino.
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Ahead of you there. Have you got a safe to keep it in though?
To what end do you think cash is required?
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
furious said:
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Ahead of you there. Have you got a safe to keep it in though?
To what end do you think cash is required?
Safe passage to a remote isolated community before everything collapses and the dead start walking
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
I can’t do that.
oh well.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
furious said:“According to the study, of 206 patients who had been killed by the virus in Wuhan, 85 had type A blood, which is 63 per cent more than those with type O blood.”
And the other ~69?
A, B, AB and O blood types.
So, in the B or AB groups.
I can’t see any logical reason blood type would have anything much to do with your immune response.
Neither can I. Nor do they posit a reason. Just the observation.
The abstract:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.20031096v1
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
I thought places aren’t into taking cash these days..
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Suspicious looking man “It’s not enough money”
Rule 303 uncrosses legs “I’m sure we can come to some other arrangement”
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Why would you need to do that?
Arts said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
I thought places aren’t into taking cash these days..
It’s still legal tender.
buffy said:
Arts said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
I thought places aren’t into taking cash these days..
It’s still legal tender.
And will be, for as long as politicians take bribes.
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Why would you need to do that?
Toilet paper…
buffy said:
Arts said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
I thought places aren’t into taking cash these days..
It’s still legal tender.
Good to have some cash that was handled pre-virus?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Woodie said:
Peak Warming Man said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This is a real time resource, scroll down to countries, the last column is interesting.
I’ve been using that one since……………. well…. since.
Don’t go to San Merino.
Yes, they’re all sheeples there…
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
Arts said:I thought places aren’t into taking cash these days..
It’s still legal tender.
Good to have some cash that was handled pre-virus?
sure.. all my cash has on it is cocaine.
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Why would you need to do that?
To pay Mr Tunks for the mowing.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:It’s still legal tender.
Good to have some cash that was handled pre-virus?
sure.. all my cash has on it is cocaine.
Extra value?
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Ahead of you there. Have you got a safe to keep it in though?
Hmmmm… Now that you mention it I have got a lockable box in a lockable draw.
furious said:
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Why would you need to do that?
Toilet paper…
I still don’t understand why someone would want to take a large amount of cash out of the bank.
Rule 303 said:
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Ahead of you there. Have you got a safe to keep it in though?
Hmmmm… Now that you mention it I have got a lockable box in a lockable draw.
takes notes
furious said:
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Ahead of you there. Have you got a safe to keep it in though?
To what end do you think cash is required?
To purchase things if the normal (electronic) system fails.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Why would you need to do that?
To pay Mr Tunks for the mowing.
I’m trying to understand Rule 303’s reasons.
Michael V said:
furious said:
Michael V said:Why would you need to do that?
Toilet paper…
I still don’t understand why someone would want to take a large amount of cash out of the bank.
In case the virus mutates into a computer virus and takes down EFTPOS.
Michael V said:
furious said:
Michael V said:Why would you need to do that?
Toilet paper…
I still don’t understand why someone would want to take a large amount of cash out of the bank.
Yeah, I would like to know the reasoning behind that too…
The Rev Dodgson said:
Woodie said:
Peak Warming Man said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This is a real time resource, scroll down to countries, the last column is interesting.
I’ve been using that one since……………. well…. since.
Don’t go to San Merino.
Yes, the cases-per-million figure suggest that everyone there may have had it dozens of times each.
Rule 303 said:
furious said:
buffy said:Ahead of you there. Have you got a safe to keep it in though?
To what end do you think cash is required?
To purchase things if the normal (electronic) system fails.
Why would that be likely to fail?
Rule 303 said:
furious said:
buffy said:Ahead of you there. Have you got a safe to keep it in though?
To what end do you think cash is required?
To purchase things if the normal (electronic) system fails.
So it has mutated into a computer virus? Why would the “normal” system fail?
Michael V said:
furious said:
Michael V said:Why would you need to do that?
Toilet paper…
I still don’t understand why someone would want to take a large amount of cash out of the bank.
Well, if this was the US, ‘to buy (yet another) gun’ would be the most likely answer.
The boys’ school has been ramping up the school work available to them online in recent days. Parents have just received an email making them aware of this, which is code for, ‘If you would prefer to keep your child at home, do not fear that they will be missing out’.
furious said:
Rule 303 said:
furious said:To what end do you think cash is required?
To purchase things if the normal (electronic) system fails.
So it has mutated into a computer virus? Why would the “normal” system fail?
The normal system might have a panic attack.
‘US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying ‘ – Guardian
Michael V said:
furious said:
Michael V said:Why would you need to do that?
Toilet paper…
I still don’t understand why someone would want to take a large amount of cash out of the bank.
I’m not talking about a large amount. Just a thousand bucks in twenties. I have very recently been in communities that are cut off from the world (there was bushfires… remember them?) and feel I have a reasonable sense of the fragility of infrastructure. I don’t want to find myself severely disadvantaged by not being able to pay for things.
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
buffy said:Ahead of you there. Have you got a safe to keep it in though?
Hmmmm… Now that you mention it I have got a lockable box in a lockable draw.
takes notes
LOL.
It’s in the same room where I sit cleaning my handguns… In the dark.
:-)
captain_spalding said:
‘US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying ‘ – Guardian
People will kill to protect their Twinkies
I wonder what lessons we’ll all take away from this period in time….
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
‘US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying ‘ – Guardian
People will kill to protect their Twinkies
I think they do it so the King of England can’t come and take your stuff.
Bubblecar said:
furious said:
Rule 303 said:To purchase things if the normal (electronic) system fails.
So it has mutated into a computer virus? Why would the “normal” system fail?
The normal system might have a panic attack.
There have been a number of eftpos outages here recently. The last one was a couple of weeks ago, for nearly a week. Just one person with a digger forgetting to dial before you dig. And if you are short of techs because they are in isolation…
Arts said:
I wonder what lessons we’ll all take away from this period in time….
Get in first for toilet paper
Hopefully more money spend on hospitals, research, etc
Whose to say it won’t again and worse next time
furious said:
Rule 303 said:
furious said:To what end do you think cash is required?
To purchase things if the normal (electronic) system fails.
So it has mutated into a computer virus? Why would the “normal” system fail?
Power failure. Staff lockout. Transport shut-down. Equipment destruction. Corporate decision.
I take it you’re never seen a mobile phone repeater burnt down? I’ve seen dozens of them….
Arts said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
‘US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying ‘ – Guardian
People will kill to protect their Twinkies
I think they do it so the King of England can’t come and take your stuff.
Will the Royal Family ever give up their life of larceny?
Rule 303 said:
Michael V said:
furious said:Toilet paper…
I still don’t understand why someone would want to take a large amount of cash out of the bank.
I’m not talking about a large amount. Just a thousand bucks in twenties. I have very recently been in communities that are cut off from the world (there was bushfires… remember them?) and feel I have a reasonable sense of the fragility of infrastructure. I don’t want to find myself severely disadvantaged by not being able to pay for things.
Most people won’t let other people starve. At least I don’t think so. If the internet goes off for a day or even a week it really shouldn’t matter one iota.
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
‘US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying ‘ – Guardian
People will kill to protect their Twinkies
We suggest that everyone should be terrified of this.
You now have this country full of rednutcasenecks, who will soon be immune to COVID-19 because they are letting it run unchecked to achieve herd immunity, who will lose all their older people who remember how horrific war actually is, armed to the teeth with ten times the guns and ammunition they had before.
Arts said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
‘US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying ‘ – Guardian
People will kill to protect their Twinkies
I think they do it so the King of England can’t come and take your stuff.
… or tyrants in general, consent to be governed and all that.
Arts said:
I wonder what lessons we’ll all take away from this period in time….
The Mormons were right!
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
‘US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying ‘ – Guardian
People will kill to protect their Twinkies
We suggest that everyone should be terrified of this.
You now have this country full of rednutcasenecks, who will soon be immune to COVID-19 because they are letting it run unchecked to achieve herd immunity, who will lose all their older people who remember how horrific war actually is, armed to the teeth with ten times the guns and ammunition they had before.
On the other hand, most of them aren’t cognisant of the fact that there are other countries besides the US (or, at least, have no idea where to find most of them), so the people they’re most likely to aim at will be other Americans.
Why travel to loo9k for targets, when there’s rich pickings in your ‘neighborhood’?
Cymek said:
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Nah, it’ll be forgotten by the majority and we’ll just go back to normal.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:People will kill to protect their Twinkies
We suggest that everyone should be terrified of this.
You now have this country full of rednutcasenecks, who will soon be immune to COVID-19 because they are letting it run unchecked to achieve herd immunity, who will lose all their older people who remember how horrific war actually is, armed to the teeth with ten times the guns and ammunition they had before.
On the other hand, most of them aren’t cognisant of the fact that there are other countries besides the US (or, at least, have no idea where to find most of them), so the people they’re most likely to aim at will be other Americans.
Why travel to loo9k for targets, when there’s rich pickings in your ‘neighborhood’?
good point
America please close your borders and keep building that wall
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Nah, it’ll be forgotten by the majority and we’ll just go back to normal.
seemed to work for the SARS countries
Rule 303 said:
furious said:
Rule 303 said:To purchase things if the normal (electronic) system fails.
So it has mutated into a computer virus? Why would the “normal” system fail?
Power failure. Staff lockout. Transport shut-down. Equipment destruction. Corporate decision.
I take it you’re never seen a mobile phone repeater burnt down? I’ve seen dozens of them….
I’ve seen a whole exchange burnt down, just in the interest of one upmanship :)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-test-kit-rationing-virologist-warns/12062146
“From day one, we decided we would talk a lot,” Mr Miles said.
“International experience says we would talk a lot. And we will not stop talking a lot.
“It will give us the best chance of containing this virus.”
—
as opposed to quarantine, isolation, lockdown measures, yep
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
furious said:So it has mutated into a computer virus? Why would the “normal” system fail?
Power failure. Staff lockout. Transport shut-down. Equipment destruction. Corporate decision.
I take it you’re never seen a mobile phone repeater burnt down? I’ve seen dozens of them….
I’ve seen a whole exchange burnt down, just in the interest of one upmanship :)
isn’t that the kind of thing that Edison, Tesla and Westinghouse got up to
Arts said:
I wonder what lessons we’ll all take away from this period in time….
Just the usual shit about complex societies relying upon critical infrastructure, and the downside of privatising it and allowing it to be run on a for profit basis. Oh, and that praying to deities does fuck all.
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
furious said:So it has mutated into a computer virus? Why would the “normal” system fail?
Power failure. Staff lockout. Transport shut-down. Equipment destruction. Corporate decision.
I take it you’re never seen a mobile phone repeater burnt down? I’ve seen dozens of them….
I’ve seen a whole exchange burnt down, just in the interest of one upmanship :)
This was Mr buffy. I used his computer and forgot to log out. We really haven’t got used to me being home all the time yet, have we…
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Nah, it’ll be forgotten by the majority and we’ll just go back to normal.
dammit.. I was hoping this would put a permanent ban on nonessential contact.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:We suggest that everyone should be terrified of this.
You now have this country full of rednutcasenecks, who will soon be immune to COVID-19 because they are letting it run unchecked to achieve herd immunity, who will lose all their older people who remember how horrific war actually is, armed to the teeth with ten times the guns and ammunition they had before.
On the other hand, most of them aren’t cognisant of the fact that there are other countries besides the US (or, at least, have no idea where to find most of them), so the people they’re most likely to aim at will be other Americans.
Why travel to loo9k for targets, when there’s rich pickings in your ‘neighborhood’?
good point
America please close your borders and keep building that wall
LOL
SCIENCE said:
America please close your borders and keep building that wall
There’s rumours that a wall is to be built along the US/Canada border.
The buzz is that it’s a Canadian idea, and they’re quite willing to pay for it.
party_pants said:
Arts said:
I wonder what lessons we’ll all take away from this period in time….
Just the usual shit about complex societies relying upon critical infrastructure, and the downside of privatising it and allowing it to be run on a for profit basis. Oh, and that praying to deities does fuck all.
let’s not jump the gun.. the deities have yet to send out an information email.
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Nah, it’ll be forgotten by the majority and we’ll just go back to normal.
dammit.. I was hoping this would put a permanent ban on nonessential contact.
don’t worry i’m cool with that.
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well, uni is extending the planned non teaching period that was to occur next week by another week.. so they can organise things so classes can go fully online. They then said that the commencement of classes will all be online for the rest of the semester.
so, it looks like they are taking the basic rules of self isolation and social distancing seriously.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/mar/17/schools-across-england-struggle-as-coronavirus-hits-attendance
Headteachers question official policy of staying open as staff and students stay at home
…
the UK remains one of only two European countries – alongside Belarus – with a policy of not closing them.
Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, defended the policy before the Commons health committee. “If you look across the world, for example, Singapore hasn’t closed schools. It’s introduced some different measures in schools. Taiwan, I think didn’t close schools in managing it,” he told MPs.
But critics pointed out that Singapore is still considering school closures, while Taiwan actually did close all its schools for an extended period in February, when the country had just 10 confirmed cases of coronavirus.
Politicians in all sand-headed* countries the world over threw their support behind Sir Patrick Vallance, pointing out “why the fuck would you look at all the countries that successfully did limit the spread of disease, with measures that actually included closing their schools, when you could cherry pick the single instance of a small country that didn’t close its schools as a model for the rest of us? Australia, the UK, New Zealand, we’re all island nations just exactly like Singapore!”
Educators in Australia responded “so why don’t we copy the rest of their education system as well? At least it would stop the decline in standards that’s put our students 3.5 years behind their counterparts in Asia”. Politicians immediately hit back with “we don’t give a fuck when Cheryl’s birthday is, we’ve banned all social gatherings (except school) and the bans will still be in place whether it’s May 15, May 16, May 19, June 17, June 18, July 14, July 16, August 14, August 15, or August 17!”
*: or sans-headed, same shit
party_pants said:
Arts said:
I wonder what lessons we’ll all take away from this period in time….
Just the usual shit about complex societies relying upon critical infrastructure, and the downside of privatising it and allowing it to be run on a for profit basis. Oh, and that praying to deities does fuck all.
but there were fires and then we prayed for rain and then there was rain
should i get a flu jab? i work with old people. work will pay as i am under 65.
ChrispenEvan said:
should i get a flu jab? i work with old people. work will pay as i am under 65.
It wont be released for a few weeks.
Rule 303 said:
ChrispenEvan said:
should i get a flu jab? i work with old people. work will pay as i am under 65.
It wont be released for a few weeks.
yeah, but should get it when it is.
ChrispenEvan said:
Rule 303 said:
ChrispenEvan said:
should i get a flu jab? i work with old people. work will pay as i am under 65.
It wont be released for a few weeks.
yeah, but should get it when it is.
It can’t hurt… can it?
ChrispenEvan said:
should i get a flu jab? i work with old people. work will pay as i am under 65.
it’s what the experts seem to be recommending
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
should i get a flu jab? i work with old people. work will pay as i am under 65.
it’s what the experts seem to be recommending
OK, i shall inform work I would like one.
Arts said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:
I wonder what lessons we’ll all take away from this period in time….
Just the usual shit about complex societies relying upon critical infrastructure, and the downside of privatising it and allowing it to be run on a for profit basis. Oh, and that praying to deities does fuck all.
let’s not jump the gun.. the deities have yet to send out an information email.
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
should i get a flu jab? i work with old people. work will pay as i am under 65.
it’s what the experts seem to be recommending
I know the flu jab is targetted to a couple of strains a year but at least if everyone has it then those that get “flu like” symptoms after that can be covid-tested…
Arts said:
I wonder what lessons we’ll all take away from this period in time….
Always have six months’ worth of toilet paper stocked.
Cymek said:
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Personally, so far my life hasn’t changed one iota due to coronavirus and I’d be surprised if it does.
It’s important not to confuse the commotion in the media with one’s own circumstances.
ChrispenEvan said:
should i get a flu jab? i work with old people. work will pay as i am under 65.
Yes.
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Personally, so far my life hasn’t changed one iota due to coronavirus and I’d be surprised if it does.
It’s important not to confuse the commotion in the media with one’s own circumstances.
Yeah, but you did social distancing and self isolation before it was cool…
ChrispenEvan said:
should i get a flu jab? i work with old people. work will pay as i am under 65.
Yes.
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Personally, so far my life hasn’t changed one iota due to coronavirus and I’d be surprised if it does.
It’s important not to confuse the commotion in the media with one’s own circumstances.
…actually, I’ve postponed my Hobart visit until later in the year. That’s about it.
furious said:
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Personally, so far my life hasn’t changed one iota due to coronavirus and I’d be surprised if it does.
It’s important not to confuse the commotion in the media with one’s own circumstances.
Yeah, but you did social distancing and self isolation before it was cool…
True, I’m usually ahead of the herd.
furious said:
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Personally, so far my life hasn’t changed one iota due to coronavirus and I’d be surprised if it does.
It’s important not to confuse the commotion in the media with one’s own circumstances.
Yeah, but you did social distancing and self isolation before it was cool…
That’s amusing as I don’t like being around people so isolation isn’t a problem
if uni offers flu jabs like they did last year, I will get one
ChrispenEvan said:
should i get a flu jab? i work with old people. work will pay as i am under 65.
Everyone who needs to meet or associate with old people in an institution must have a flu shot is the latest official regulation. Even applies to relatives.
furious said:
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
should i get a flu jab? i work with old people. work will pay as i am under 65.
it’s what the experts seem to be recommending
I know the flu jab is targetted to a couple of strains a year but at least if everyone has it then those that get “flu like” symptoms after that can be covid-tested…
True.
Also, we provide evidence for our suggestion.
https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/what-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-covid-19
You should get your flu shot when it’s available. Getting the flu and COVID-19 at the same time can make you very ill.
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/novel-coronavirus
Get the flu shot (available April).
https://www.premier.sa.gov.au/news/media-releases/news/free-flu-vaccine-to-protect-homeless-south-australians
“With the current spread of COVID-19 across the globe, it is even more important this year that we protect as many people as possible through the flu shot to reduce the spread of all preventable diseases.
https://education.qld.gov.au/initiatives-and-strategies/health-and-wellbeing/workplaces/health-wellbeing/flu
The flu vaccine will not combat Coronavirus (COVID-19), however it may help reduce the severity and spread of seasonal influenza, which can lower a person’s immunity and make them more susceptible to other illnesses.
https://www.health.gov.au/news/deputy-chief-medical-officers-interview-on-channel-7-sunrise-about-coronavirus-covid-19
So very important that people protect themselves against flu whilst we are looking for this other virus which could be coming at us.
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:
I wonder what lessons we’ll all take away from this period in time….
Just the usual shit about complex societies relying upon critical infrastructure, and the downside of privatising it and allowing it to be run on a for profit basis. Oh, and that praying to deities does fuck all.
but there were fires and then we prayed for rain and then there was rain
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Personally, so far my life hasn’t changed one iota due to coronavirus and I’d be surprised if it does.
It’s important not to confuse the commotion in the media with one’s own circumstances.
So far, only grocery shopping has changed. Instead of doing one shop in one store, we’re going to three stores over three days to get everything we need. And all the events I normally attend at the library have been cancelled, which sucks.
School will close sooner or later. School hols may be extended.
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Personally, so far my life hasn’t changed one iota due to coronavirus and I’d be surprised if it does.
It’s important not to confuse the commotion in the media with one’s own circumstances.
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Personally, so far my life hasn’t changed one iota due to coronavirus and I’d be surprised if it does.
It’s important not to confuse the commotion in the media with one’s own circumstances.
Nothing changed with me either.
same here.
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
I wouldn’t like to say this a good thing but perhaps it will shake up everyone’s complacency and we realise many of us have had it too good for a long time and it can’t last
Personally, so far my life hasn’t changed one iota due to coronavirus and I’d be surprised if it does.
It’s important not to confuse the commotion in the media with one’s own circumstances.
Nothing changed with me either.
Going to be interesting when a lot of people are homeless, without food or money.
Saw a strange thing today. There is a new motel that seems to be hidden from view unless you stumble on it.
There was a family standing n front and starting to move into the motel. All their luggage was wrapped in blue plastic and they all had face masks on. Presumably they are just back from overseas and are isolating themselves in a motel?
ChrispenEvan said:
Rule 303 said:
ChrispenEvan said:
should i get a flu jab? i work with old people. work will pay as i am under 65.
It wont be released for a few weeks.
yeah, but should get it when it is.
I will be.
ChrispenEvan said:
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:Personally, so far my life hasn’t changed one iota due to coronavirus and I’d be surprised if it does.
It’s important not to confuse the commotion in the media with one’s own circumstances.
Nothing changed with me either.same here.
I lost a bunch of work and sit at home more often.
Rule 303 said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Rule 303 said:It wont be released for a few weeks.
yeah, but should get it when it is.
I will be.
It shall be done.
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Tamb said:Nothing changed with me either.
same here.
I lost a bunch of work and sit at home more often.
Have been doing that for decades anyway.
ChrispenEvan said:
Rule 303 said:
ChrispenEvan said:yeah, but should get it when it is.
I will be.
It shall be done.
Make it so.
ChrispenEvan said:
Rule 303 said:
ChrispenEvan said:yeah, but should get it when it is.
I will be.
It shall be done.
Pleased I could help.
Peak Warming Man said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Rule 303 said:I will be.
It shall be done.
Make it so.
Beam me up.
Just to get into the blitz mood it’s tuna and macaroni bake for me tonight.
AwesomeO said:
Just to get into the blitz mood it’s tuna and macaroni bake for me tonight.
Sounds good.
Diet food this end. Shopping tomorrow, might allow myself a steak.
Updated purchase restrictions – Woolworths.
Our local supermarket has had toiletpaper for maybe one hour in the last three weeks.
But they’re not allowing people to return excess purchases for refund or credit.
I wonder why not?
AwesomeO said:
Just to get into the blitz mood it’s tuna and macaroni bake for me tonight.
We changed fish types for these pasta-fish-bakes to canned mackerel. Helps with the budget. Makes very little difference to the taste.
Rule 303 said:
Our local supermarket has had toiletpaper for maybe one hour in the last three weeks.But they’re not allowing people to return excess purchases for refund or credit.
I wonder why not?
Letting people bring it all back for a refund would be considered encouraging them to stockpile.
If they know can get their money back they might well be more inclined to buy too much.
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Ahead of you there. Have you got a safe to keep it in though?
Not anticipating a run on the banks i hope?
Michael V said:
AwesomeO said:
Just to get into the blitz mood it’s tuna and macaroni bake for me tonight.
We changed fish types for these pasta-fish-bakes to canned mackerel. Helps with the budget. Makes very little difference to the taste.
I like my tuna bakes, I use the three cheeses Pasta sauce as the bechamel and add extra grated cheese.
Rule 303 said:
Our local supermarket has had toiletpaper for maybe one hour in the last three weeks.But they’re not allowing people to return excess purchases for refund or credit.
I wonder why not?
It would fit in with their is nothing wrong with it policy but also probably some spite for being greedy
Bubblecar said:
Rule 303 said:
Our local supermarket has had toiletpaper for maybe one hour in the last three weeks.But they’re not allowing people to return excess purchases for refund or credit.
I wonder why not?
Letting people bring it all back for a refund would be considered encouraging them to stockpile.
If they know can get their money back they might well be more inclined to buy too much.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
Reliable info has it the Vic state of emergency arrangements are about to ramp up.Call me cynical if you will, but I’m about to go pull a wad of cash out of the bank.
Ahead of you there. Have you got a safe to keep it in though?
Not anticipating a run on the banks i hope?
Have you noticed that the stock market is plummeting?
I wonder how the world will cope when alcohol, chocolates, icecream and coffee run out
Cymek said:
I wonder how the world will cope when alcohol, chocolates, icecream and coffee run out
Bubblecar said:
Rule 303 said:
Our local supermarket has had toiletpaper for maybe one hour in the last three weeks.But they’re not allowing people to return excess purchases for refund or credit.
I wonder why not?
Letting people bring it all back for a refund would be considered encouraging them to stockpile.
If they know can get their money back they might well be more inclined to buy too much.
I don’t accept that, Car. I think the supermarkets could easily have controlled panic buying if they wanted to. People are wanting to return it precisely because they have bought too much. The supermarkets are now starving the market when they know there’s lots of stock (which they sold irresponsibly) sitting in people’s homes.
Just more reasons why I am pulling cash out of the bank.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/18/welfare-recipients-on-cashless-debit-card-will-have-750-stimulus-payment-quarantined
Bubblecar said:
Rule 303 said:
Our local supermarket has had toiletpaper for maybe one hour in the last three weeks.But they’re not allowing people to return excess purchases for refund or credit.
I wonder why not?
Letting people bring it all back for a refund would be considered encouraging them to stockpile.
If they know can get their money back they might well be more inclined to buy too much.
…. and who knows what greebies have been sneezed or spat all over it in the meantime.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/18/welfare-recipients-on-cashless-debit-card-will-have-750-stimulus-payment-quarantined
Our local member just posted this
“Good afternoon Electorate of Hill,
Just to ensure you are all up to date – as of this morning the advice we have received there are NO confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the Cairns Hinterland Health and Hospital Service area. I will keep you advised as to if and when this should change.”
There’s some serious money being thrown at this.
US 800 billion Germany 300 billion UK 300 billion, France 200 billion Spain 300 billion and lord knows how much China has thrown at it.
This is stimulus money to keep their economies afloat.
They may just say fuck it and let the cards fall where they may
Might have to move to the Redoubt and live off my wits and rat cunning.
Tamb said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/18/welfare-recipients-on-cashless-debit-card-will-have-750-stimulus-payment-quarantined
Our local member just posted this
“Good afternoon Electorate of Hill,
Just to ensure you are all up to date – as of this morning the advice we have received there are NO confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the Cairns Hinterland Health and Hospital Service area. I will keep you advised as to if and when this should change.”
That’s reassuring for you Tamb.
Peak Warming Man said:
There’s some serious money being thrown at this.
US 800 billion Germany 300 billion UK 300 billion, France 200 billion Spain 300 billion and lord knows how much China has thrown at it.
This is stimulus money to keep their economies afloat.
They may just say fuck it and let the cards fall where they may
Might have to move to the Redoubt and live off my wits and rat cunning.
You have the fatted calf…
Rule 303 said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:Ahead of you there. Have you got a safe to keep it in though?
Not anticipating a run on the banks i hope?
Have you noticed that the stock market is plummeting?
Woodie will be crying in some corner with an empty bottle of gin.
Peak Warming Man said:
There’s some serious money being thrown at this.
US 800 billion Germany 300 billion UK 300 billion, France 200 billion Spain 300 billion and lord knows how much China has thrown at it.
This is stimulus money to keep their economies afloat.
They may just say fuck it and let the cards fall where they may
Might have to move to the Redoubt and live off my wits and rat cunning.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/18/welfare-recipients-on-cashless-debit-card-will-have-750-stimulus-payment-quarantined
Our local member just posted this
“Good afternoon Electorate of Hill,
Just to ensure you are all up to date – as of this morning the advice we have received there are NO confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the Cairns Hinterland Health and Hospital Service area. I will keep you advised as to if and when this should change.”That’s reassuring for you Tamb.
Please see message below received from the Commonwealth Bank.
“We have today made the difficult decision to temporarily pause the Commonwealth Bank School Banking program. This will take effect as at close of business Friday 20 March 2020 and will extend to the end of Term 1.
We have made the decision based on the quickly changing environment relating to COVID-19 and the impact on schools and the wider community. By pausing our program temporarily we hope to help reduce the amount of visitors to schools and reduce the number of people within shared spaces. This particularly relates to the volunteers who run the program at schools on our behalf.
A communication has been sent out to all schools and School Banking Co-ordinators (volunteers) this afternoon.
Our School Banking Helpdesk will remain operational and can be contacted on Ph 1800 674496 during the hours of 9.00am and 5.00pm (Sydney time) should further guidance be required. Alternatively, email queries can be directed to schoolbanking@cba.com.au
A decision will be made by 8 April 2020 regarding our ability to resume the School Banking program.”
***
This is the Dollarmites program, but we can also add funds to the account via app. (Mini Me doesn’t have a Comm Bank account, but we do have an investment account for her.)
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
There’s some serious money being thrown at this.
US 800 billion Germany 300 billion UK 300 billion, France 200 billion Spain 300 billion and lord knows how much China has thrown at it.
This is stimulus money to keep their economies afloat.
They may just say fuck it and let the cards fall where they may
Might have to move to the Redoubt and live off my wits and rat cunning.
Oh gawd. Not Rock Wallaby again
There are rock lobsters as well, yabbies anyway and fish and eels and enough grass seeds to make a thousand loves of bread.
Peak Warming Man said:
Might have to move to the Redoubt and live on rats.
WHAT???
Cymek said:
I wonder how the world will cope when alcohol, chocolates, icecream and coffee run out
The good news is you can make alcohol from toilet paper
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
There’s some serious money being thrown at this.
US 800 billion Germany 300 billion UK 300 billion, France 200 billion Spain 300 billion and lord knows how much China has thrown at it.
This is stimulus money to keep their economies afloat.
They may just say fuck it and let the cards fall where they may
Might have to move to the Redoubt and live off my wits and rat cunning.
Oh gawd. Not Rock Wallaby againThere are rock lobsters as well, yabbies anyway and fish and eels and enough grass seeds to make a thousand loves of bread.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
There’s some serious money being thrown at this.
US 800 billion Germany 300 billion UK 300 billion, France 200 billion Spain 300 billion and lord knows how much China has thrown at it.
This is stimulus money to keep their economies afloat.
They may just say fuck it and let the cards fall where they may
Might have to move to the Redoubt and live off my wits and rat cunning.
Oh gawd. Not Rock Wallaby againThere are rock lobsters as well, yabbies anyway and fish and eels and enough grass seeds to make a thousand loves of bread.
Eels. Yum. And so easy to catch (at night).
PermeateFree said:
Rule 303 said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Not anticipating a run on the banks i hope?
Have you noticed that the stock market is plummeting?
Woodie will be crying in some corner with an empty bottle of gin.
The ASX tumbled 54% during the GFC and I weathered that. It’s now down 30% from its peak in Jan to 4998.
esselte said:
Cymek said:
I wonder how the world will cope when alcohol, chocolates, icecream and coffee run out
The good news is you can make alcohol from toilet paper
Trust in God, Son makes it from Water
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
Rule 303 said:Have you noticed that the stock market is plummeting?
Woodie will be crying in some corner with an empty bottle of gin.
The ASX tumbled 54% during the GFC and I weathered that. It’s now down 30% from its peak in Jan to 4998.
Is that AD?
SCIENCE said:
esselte said:
Cymek said:
I wonder how the world will cope when alcohol, chocolates, icecream and coffee run out
The good news is you can make alcohol from toilet paper
Trust in God, Son makes it from Water
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
esselte said:The good news is you can make alcohol from toilet paper
Trust in God, Son makes it from Water
I can turn alcohol into water.
From mellow to yellow ¿
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
esselte said:The good news is you can make alcohol from toilet paper
Trust in God, Son makes it from Water
I can turn alcohol into water.
As superhero skills go, that isn’t terribly useful.
Work restrictions on 20,000 student nurses have been lifted, so that they can help with the health response.
Legit‘¿
someone’s running scared
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:Trust in God, Son makes it from Water
I can turn alcohol into water.From mellow to yellow ¿
:)
SCIENCE said:
Work restrictions on 20,000 student nurses have been lifted, so that they can help with the health response.Legit‘¿
someone’s running scared
Seems sensible to me.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Work restrictions on 20,000 student nurses have been lifted, so that they can help with the health response.Legit‘¿
someone’s running scared
Seems sensible to me.
might be a sign that the politicians are changing their tune, possibly getting ready to face the music
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
Rule 303 said:Have you noticed that the stock market is plummeting?
Woodie will be crying in some corner with an empty bottle of gin.
The ASX tumbled 54% during the GFC and I weathered that. It’s now down 30% from its peak in Jan to 4998.
Good to see you are keeping people in work. The optimism of mums and dads is what keeps the ASX going during severe bear markets.
SCIENCE said:
Work restrictions on 20,000 student nurses have been lifted, so that they can help with the health response.Legit‘¿
someone’s running scared
So prudent and sensible policy = running scared now?
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Work restrictions on 20,000 student nurses have been lifted, so that they can help with the health response.Legit‘¿
someone’s running scared
So prudent and sensible policy = running scared now?
excellent point, it’s not possible to make prudent and sensible decisions while running scared
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Work restrictions on 20,000 student nurses have been lifted, so that they can help with the health response.Legit‘¿
someone’s running scared
So prudent and sensible policy = running scared now?
excellent point, it’s not possible to make prudent and sensible decisions while running scared
To me, this is an illustration of prudent and sensible policy and therefore evidence that the health authorities are not running scared. I think you need to recalibrate your appraisal of this decision.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:So prudent and sensible policy = running scared now?
excellent point, it’s not possible to make prudent and sensible decisions while running scared
To me, this is an illustration of prudent and sensible policy and therefore evidence that the health authorities are not running scared. I think you need to recalibrate your appraisal of this decision.
if you say so; it’s entirely possible that the situation has not given the health authorities a scare and they simply decided to lift restrictions casually and routinely
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/covid-19-coronavirus-ground-zero-china-records-just-one-new-case/12059826
“Police are investigating a case of apparent supermarket rage on the New South Wales north coast. A man in his 50s allegedly became angry when he couldn’t find a product on the shelves of the Lismore Coles on Tuesday afternoon.
Acting Inspector Craig Ahrens said the man used a trolley to knock a 70-year-old woman to the ground, and rammed into another 70-year-old woman. He said the man went on to ram a staff member before punching her in the face and elbowing a manager.
“He became angry when … he couldn’t appear to find what he was looking for, and then he noticed that there were a number of shelves depleted as well as a result of COVID-19,” Acting Inspector Ahrens said.”
‘Ken arsehole.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-news-anzac-day/12064922
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/covid-19-coronavirus-ground-zero-china-records-just-one-new-case/12059826
I declare this to be good news.
I see NSW has had a bit of a spike today with over 50 new cases. Given the 3-4 day incubation period this is consistent with people catching it over the weekend because the ban on public gatherings and sporting events only went into effect on Monday. I expect a further spike tomorrow in NSW.
Despite the rising number of cases, Premier Steven Marshall today said any suggestion of a statewide or Adelaide CBD lockdown was “ludicrous”.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-cases-rise-to-37-in-south-australia/12066638
I imagine someone is going to be looking like a fuckwit quite shortly.
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/covid-19-coronavirus-ground-zero-china-records-just-one-new-case/12059826
I declare this to be good news.
I see NSW has had a bit of a spike today with over 50 new cases. Given the 3-4 day incubation period this is consistent with people catching it over the weekend because the ban on public gatherings and sporting events only went into effect on Monday. I expect a further spike tomorrow in NSW.
Oh yeah.
Michael V said:
“Police are investigating a case of apparent supermarket rage on the New South Wales north coast. A man in his 50s allegedly became angry when he couldn’t find a product on the shelves of the Lismore Coles on Tuesday afternoon.Acting Inspector Craig Ahrens said the man used a trolley to knock a 70-year-old woman to the ground, and rammed into another 70-year-old woman. He said the man went on to ram a staff member before punching her in the face and elbowing a manager.
“He became angry when … he couldn’t appear to find what he was looking for, and then he noticed that there were a number of shelves depleted as well as a result of COVID-19,” Acting Inspector Ahrens said.”
‘Ken arsehole.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-news-anzac-day/12064922
Maybe they can extend the special hours for seniors in a staged fashion like those games of football, start at 0500 for 90 year olds and if you can touch the goods you score them, 0600 for over 80 and you have to be able to carry them off the shelf, 0700 aged 70 plus and you have to get it to the checkout counter, and then at normal 0800 have your Lismore free-for-all. Assault scores a penalty for the other shopper and a few months in gaol.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/18/welfare-recipients-on-cashless-debit-card-will-have-750-stimulus-payment-quarantined
I reported that a few days ago.
yes. They might buy alcohol.
But…If the idea is to put the money back into the community and have it circulate lots it will fail. It is the biggest businesses and the multi nationals that deal with the card.
If Coles doesn’t have toilet paper they can’t shop around for toilet paper. and they still can’t get parts off gumtree to fix their car.
Michael V said:
“Police are investigating a case of apparent supermarket rage on the New South Wales north coast. A man in his 50s allegedly became angry when he couldn’t find a product on the shelves of the Lismore Coles on Tuesday afternoon.Acting Inspector Craig Ahrens said the man used a trolley to knock a 70-year-old woman to the ground, and rammed into another 70-year-old woman. He said the man went on to ram a staff member before punching her in the face and elbowing a manager.
“He became angry when … he couldn’t appear to find what he was looking for, and then he noticed that there were a number of shelves depleted as well as a result of COVID-19,” Acting Inspector Ahrens said.”
‘Ken arsehole.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-news-anzac-day/12064922
Sounds like bad drugs.
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/covid-19-coronavirus-ground-zero-china-records-just-one-new-case/12059826
I declare this to be good news.
I see NSW has had a bit of a spike today with over 50 new cases. Given the 3-4 day incubation period this is consistent with people catching it over the weekend because the ban on public gatherings and sporting events only went into effect on Monday. I expect a further spike tomorrow in NSW.
Way to go Scotty.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/covid-19-coronavirus-ground-zero-china-records-just-one-new-case/12059826
I declare this to be good news.
I see NSW has had a bit of a spike today with over 50 new cases. Given the 3-4 day incubation period this is consistent with people catching it over the weekend because the ban on public gatherings and sporting events only went into effect on Monday. I expect a further spike tomorrow in NSW.
Oh yeah.
Isn’t the aim of restrictions to CONTROL the rate of infection, not eliminate it (which cannot be done), as the second wave (when restrictions are lifted) will begin to infect uninfected people and this too needs to be controlled to manageable levels to stop it overloading the medical system.
“Just 19 days after Patient One was diagnosed, Italy had 12,462 coronavirus patients, more than 1,000 people in intensive care, and 827 people had already died.”
Patient One was first known local transmission.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/what-went-wrong-with-how-italy-handled-coronavirus/12062242
Australia’s first local transmission was around March 2.
Michael V said:
“Just 19 days after Patient One was diagnosed, Italy had 12,462 coronavirus patients, more than 1,000 people in intensive care, and 827 people had already died.”Patient One was first known local transmission.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/what-went-wrong-with-how-italy-handled-coronavirus/12062242
Australia’s first local transmission was around March 2.
The Italian Patient One was sent home twice and told to get some rest without being tested, he was only tested when he presented a third time in a very severe condition.
Michael V said:
“Just 19 days after Patient One was diagnosed, Italy had 12,462 coronavirus patients, more than 1,000 people in intensive care, and 827 people had already died.”Patient One was first known local transmission.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/what-went-wrong-with-how-italy-handled-coronavirus/12062242
Australia’s first local transmission was around March 2.
A good example of non-regulation to control the infection rate, which has since overwhelmed the medical systems and is now impossible to control. However it is not the numbers involved as these will happen even with controlled infection, although then over a longer period.
The intention of early containment
A lower peak of the outbreak allows the healthcare system to provide care for more people
The total mortality of an epidemic can be high even if the symptoms for the vast majority are mild. While it might not seem intuitive, it is possible for the following two things to be true at the same time:
As we discuss here, the symptoms of COVID-19 can be very severe in many cases. Many of these patients require treatment in intensive care units (ICUs). The WHO reports that “about a quarter of severe and critical cases require mechanical ventilation.”18
‘Flattening the curve’
This is why early counter measures are important in an epidemic. Their intention is to lower the rate of infection so that the epidemic is spread out over time such that the peak demand on the healthcare system is lower.
Containment measures are intended to avoid an outbreak trajectory in which a large number of people get sick at the same time. This is what the visualization (below) shows.
This is the reason that limiting the magnitude of peak incidence of an outbreak is important. Health systems can care for more patients across an outbreak when the number of cases is spread out over a long period rather than condensed in a very short period.
What such counter measures to the pandemic attempt to avoid is that the number of patients at one point in time is so large that health systems fail to provide the required care for some patients19
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
“Just 19 days after Patient One was diagnosed, Italy had 12,462 coronavirus patients, more than 1,000 people in intensive care, and 827 people had already died.”Patient One was first known local transmission.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/what-went-wrong-with-how-italy-handled-coronavirus/12062242
Australia’s first local transmission was around March 2.
The Italian Patient One was sent home twice and told to get some rest without being tested, he was only tested when he presented a third time in a very severe condition.
Yes, unfortunately.
sarahs mum said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/18/welfare-recipients-on-cashless-debit-card-will-have-750-stimulus-payment-quarantined
I reported that a few days ago.
yes. They might buy alcohol.
But…If the idea is to put the money back into the community and have it circulate lots it will fail. It is the biggest businesses and the multi nationals that deal with the card.
If Coles doesn’t have toilet paper they can’t shop around for toilet paper. and they still can’t get parts off gumtree to fix their car.
OvlovS60
8h ago
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Why is the $750 welfare payment NOT in banks a/c’s BEFORE 1ST APRIL?
Would it not be prudent to pay it NOW to boost the economy?
Why are those on Indue Welfare Cards NOT getting it in CASH.
Why do you obviously DESPISE our poorest citizens?
Would it have anything to do with your Pentecostal ‘BELIEFS’ that those who are poor are that way because God is punishing them???
Yes Soot, I thought so.
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The payments won’t be before 1 April because that is the start of a new financial quarter. All spending, well most or some spending, of this ‘largess’ will be done in that quarter in order to bolster the quarterly accounts to minimise a second negative quarterly economic performance. If that happens it will mean we are officially in recession and this government will do anything to avoid that, including punishing those on low incomes and welfare.
sarahs mum said:
fleafarmer OvlovS60 6h ago 15 16
sarahs mum said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/18/welfare-recipients-on-cashless-debit-card-will-have-750-stimulus-payment-quarantined
I reported that a few days ago.
yes. They might buy alcohol.
But…If the idea is to put the money back into the community and have it circulate lots it will fail. It is the biggest businesses and the multi nationals that deal with the card.
If Coles doesn’t have toilet paper they can’t shop around for toilet paper. and they still can’t get parts off gumtree to fix their car.
OvlovS60
8h ago
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48 49Why is the $750 welfare payment NOT in banks a/c’s BEFORE 1ST APRIL?
Would it not be prudent to pay it NOW to boost the economy?
Why are those on Indue Welfare Cards NOT getting it in CASH.
Why do you obviously DESPISE our poorest citizens?
Would it have anything to do with your Pentecostal ‘BELIEFS’ that those who are poor are that way because God is punishing them???
Yes Soot, I thought so.
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19 20The payments won’t be before 1 April because that is the start of a new financial quarter. All spending, well most or some spending, of this ‘largess’ will be done in that quarter in order to bolster the quarterly accounts to minimise a second negative quarterly economic performance. If that happens it will mean we are officially in recession and this government will do anything to avoid that, including punishing those on low incomes and welfare.
This needs to be written in bold
It is forbidden for people on the Indue card to buy hand sanitiser
When she queried why, she says Indue, the company that manages the welfare card program, told her she couldn’t purchase anything from that website because it sold hand sanitiser – a restricted item because of its high alcohol content.——
that’s true.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:fleafarmer OvlovS60 6h ago 15 16
sarahs mum said:I reported that a few days ago.
yes. They might buy alcohol.
But…If the idea is to put the money back into the community and have it circulate lots it will fail. It is the biggest businesses and the multi nationals that deal with the card.
If Coles doesn’t have toilet paper they can’t shop around for toilet paper. and they still can’t get parts off gumtree to fix their car.
OvlovS60
8h ago
Guardian Pick
48 49Why is the $750 welfare payment NOT in banks a/c’s BEFORE 1ST APRIL?
Would it not be prudent to pay it NOW to boost the economy?
Why are those on Indue Welfare Cards NOT getting it in CASH.
Why do you obviously DESPISE our poorest citizens?
Would it have anything to do with your Pentecostal ‘BELIEFS’ that those who are poor are that way because God is punishing them???
Yes Soot, I thought so.
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19 20The payments won’t be before 1 April because that is the start of a new financial quarter. All spending, well most or some spending, of this ‘largess’ will be done in that quarter in order to bolster the quarterly accounts to minimise a second negative quarterly economic performance. If that happens it will mean we are officially in recession and this government will do anything to avoid that, including punishing those on low incomes and welfare.
This needs to be written in bold
It is forbidden for people on the Indue card to buy hand sanitiser
When she queried why, she says Indue, the company that manages the welfare card program, told her she couldn’t purchase anything from that website because it sold hand sanitiser – a restricted item because of its high alcohol content.——
that’s true.
Hey-Zeuss!
Not smart.
Here are the numbers of cases (as collated by the ABC) for each state and territory (as of 4pm AEDT):
NSW: 267
Victoria: 121
Queensland: 94
South Australia: 37
Western Australia: 35
Tasmania: 7
ACT: 3
NT: 1
Six people have died, with five from NSW and one from WA.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-news-anzac-day/12064922
Abe insists the Olympics will be going on as scheduled.
Really, it should be postponed for a year. They will not have any athletes.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/japanese-olympic-official-tests-positive-coronavirus/12065664
Michael V said:
The intention of early containmentA lower peak of the outbreak allows the healthcare system to provide care for more people
The total mortality of an epidemic can be high even if the symptoms for the vast majority are mild. While it might not seem intuitive, it is possible for the following two things to be true at the same time:
- For the majority of people, symptoms are mild and in some cases similar to the common flu.
- An epidemic of the same disease can cause a very high number of deaths.
As we discuss here, the symptoms of COVID-19 can be very severe in many cases. Many of these patients require treatment in intensive care units (ICUs). The WHO reports that “about a quarter of severe and critical cases require mechanical ventilation.”18
‘Flattening the curve’
This is why early counter measures are important in an epidemic. Their intention is to lower the rate of infection so that the epidemic is spread out over time such that the peak demand on the healthcare system is lower.
Containment measures are intended to avoid an outbreak trajectory in which a large number of people get sick at the same time. This is what the visualization (below) shows.
This is the reason that limiting the magnitude of peak incidence of an outbreak is important. Health systems can care for more patients across an outbreak when the number of cases is spread out over a long period rather than condensed in a very short period.
What such counter measures to the pandemic attempt to avoid is that the number of patients at one point in time is so large that health systems fail to provide the required care for some patients19
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
This was what I was saying, which means that Chinese success in reducing new infections in Beijing to one is neither here nor there, as when they begin to lift restrictions their infection rate will increase (hopefully again to manageable levels). They are not killing off the virus, only controlling it. We have months of this to go yet.
Michael V said:
The intention of early containmentA lower peak of the outbreak allows the healthcare system to provide care for more people
The total mortality of an epidemic can be high even if the symptoms for the vast majority are mild. While it might not seem intuitive, it is possible for the following two things to be true at the same time:
- For the majority of people, symptoms are mild and in some cases similar to the common flu.
- An epidemic of the same disease can cause a very high number of deaths.
As we discuss here, the symptoms of COVID-19 can be very severe in many cases. Many of these patients require treatment in intensive care units (ICUs). The WHO reports that “about a quarter of severe and critical cases require mechanical ventilation.”18
‘Flattening the curve’
This is why early counter measures are important in an epidemic. Their intention is to lower the rate of infection so that the epidemic is spread out over time such that the peak demand on the healthcare system is lower.
Containment measures are intended to avoid an outbreak trajectory in which a large number of people get sick at the same time. This is what the visualization (below) shows.
This is the reason that limiting the magnitude of peak incidence of an outbreak is important. Health systems can care for more patients across an outbreak when the number of cases is spread out over a long period rather than condensed in a very short period.
What such counter measures to the pandemic attempt to avoid is that the number of patients at one point in time is so large that health systems fail to provide the required care for some patients19
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
yep, basically what we all have been saying for ages, flatten the curve.
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
The intention of early containmentA lower peak of the outbreak allows the healthcare system to provide care for more people
The total mortality of an epidemic can be high even if the symptoms for the vast majority are mild. While it might not seem intuitive, it is possible for the following two things to be true at the same time:
- For the majority of people, symptoms are mild and in some cases similar to the common flu.
- An epidemic of the same disease can cause a very high number of deaths.
As we discuss here, the symptoms of COVID-19 can be very severe in many cases. Many of these patients require treatment in intensive care units (ICUs). The WHO reports that “about a quarter of severe and critical cases require mechanical ventilation.”18
‘Flattening the curve’
This is why early counter measures are important in an epidemic. Their intention is to lower the rate of infection so that the epidemic is spread out over time such that the peak demand on the healthcare system is lower.
Containment measures are intended to avoid an outbreak trajectory in which a large number of people get sick at the same time. This is what the visualization (below) shows.
This is the reason that limiting the magnitude of peak incidence of an outbreak is important. Health systems can care for more patients across an outbreak when the number of cases is spread out over a long period rather than condensed in a very short period.
What such counter measures to the pandemic attempt to avoid is that the number of patients at one point in time is so large that health systems fail to provide the required care for some patients19
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
This was what I was saying, which means that Chinese success in reducing new infections in Beijing to one is neither here nor there, as when they begin to lift restrictions their infection rate will increase (hopefully again to manageable levels). They are not killing off the virus, only controlling it. We have months of this to go yet.
“The number of new daily COVID-19 cases in Hubei province, the epicentre of the original outbreak, has fallen to just one in the last 24 hours from the height of nearly 15,000 cases recorded on February 13, according to China’s National Health Commission.”
Not Beijing, the whole of Hubei province, including Wuhan.
IIRC restrictions have been lifted.
>>>They are not killing off the virus, only controlling it. We have months of this to go yet.
Six to twelve months, I’d guess.
sarahs mum said:
fleafarmer OvlovS60 6h ago 15 16This needs to be written in bold
It is forbidden for people on the Indue card to buy hand sanitiser
When she queried why, she says Indue, the company that manages the welfare card program, told her she couldn’t purchase anything from that website because it sold hand sanitiser – a restricted item because of its high alcohol content.——
that’s true.
Are they allowed to buy vanilla essence?
I wonder if there will be democracy sausages at the coming council elections?
Michael V said:
Abe insists the Olympics will be going on as scheduled.Really, it should be postponed for a year. They will not have any athletes.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/japanese-olympic-official-tests-positive-coronavirus/12065664
Why? It’s five months away yet.
They don’t even know if they’re playing a game of footy tomorrow, let alone in five months time.
Hoyts cinemas are restricting sales to 100 seats per movie, with one seat between you and the next person.
https://www.hoyts.com.au/offers-events/events/your-health-and-safety-at-hoyts?selectedDate=2020-03-18&view=list
Divine Angel said:
Hoyts cinemas are restricting sales to 100 seats per movie, with one seat between you and the next person.https://www.hoyts.com.au/offers-events/events/your-health-and-safety-at-hoyts?selectedDate=2020-03-18&view=list
Nah…
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:fleafarmer OvlovS60 6h ago 15 16This needs to be written in bold
It is forbidden for people on the Indue card to buy hand sanitiser
When she queried why, she says Indue, the company that manages the welfare card program, told her she couldn’t purchase anything from that website because it sold hand sanitiser – a restricted item because of its high alcohol content.——
that’s true.Are they allowed to buy vanilla essence?
I don’t know.
(I remember an alcoholic I knew once who drank my vanilla essence.)
Divine Angel said:
Hoyts cinemas are restricting sales to 100 seats per movie, with one seat between you and the next person.https://www.hoyts.com.au/offers-events/events/your-health-and-safety-at-hoyts?selectedDate=2020-03-18&view=list
Only one seat? How wide are their seats?
Blue Mts closes most libraries, pools, and visitor information centres.
https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/6686200/blue-mountains-visitor-information-centres-libraries-pools-to-close/
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:fleafarmer OvlovS60 6h ago 15 16This needs to be written in bold
It is forbidden for people on the Indue card to buy hand sanitiser
When she queried why, she says Indue, the company that manages the welfare card program, told her she couldn’t purchase anything from that website because it sold hand sanitiser – a restricted item because of its high alcohol content.——
that’s true.Are they allowed to buy vanilla essence?
I don’t know.
(I remember an alcoholic I knew once who drank my vanilla essence.)
The story is that shearing contractors had to be wary of shearers’ cooks who ordered unusually large amounts of vanilla essence.
furious said:
Divine Angel said:
Hoyts cinemas are restricting sales to 100 seats per movie, with one seat between you and the next person.https://www.hoyts.com.au/offers-events/events/your-health-and-safety-at-hoyts?selectedDate=2020-03-18&view=list
Only one seat? How wide are their seats?
Enough for fat-bottomed girls to sit in. (Queen lyrics.)
Divine Angel said:
Hoyts cinemas are restricting sales to 100 seats per movie, with one seat between you and the next person.https://www.hoyts.com.au/offers-events/events/your-health-and-safety-at-hoyts?selectedDate=2020-03-18&view=list
Wah…. even in the back row?
Woodie said:
Divine Angel said:
Hoyts cinemas are restricting sales to 100 seats per movie, with one seat between you and the next person.https://www.hoyts.com.au/offers-events/events/your-health-and-safety-at-hoyts?selectedDate=2020-03-18&view=list
Wah…. even in the back row?
Well if you wanna get frisky, you can still cuddle.
Woodie said:
Divine Angel said:
Hoyts cinemas are restricting sales to 100 seats per movie, with one seat between you and the next person.https://www.hoyts.com.au/offers-events/events/your-health-and-safety-at-hoyts?selectedDate=2020-03-18&view=list
Wah…. even in the back row?
you don’t really want to sit near anyone in the back row anyway
Rule 303 said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:Ahead of you there. Have you got a safe to keep it in though?
Not anticipating a run on the banks i hope?
Have you noticed that the stock market is plummeting?
Bit behind here but thinking your money’s not safe in banks is more nutty than hoarding TP.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Rule 303 said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Not anticipating a run on the banks i hope?
Have you noticed that the stock market is plummeting?
Bit behind here but thinking your money’s not safe in banks is more nutty than hoarding TP.
Straw Man Alert!
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:So prudent and sensible policy = running scared now?
excellent point, it’s not possible to make prudent and sensible decisions while running scared
To me, this is an illustration of prudent and sensible policy and therefore evidence that the health authorities are not running scared. I think you need to recalibrate your appraisal of this decision.
MZL has been a little unhinged of late. This too will pass.
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
The intention of early containmentA lower peak of the outbreak allows the healthcare system to provide care for more people
The total mortality of an epidemic can be high even if the symptoms for the vast majority are mild. While it might not seem intuitive, it is possible for the following two things to be true at the same time:
- For the majority of people, symptoms are mild and in some cases similar to the common flu.
- An epidemic of the same disease can cause a very high number of deaths.
As we discuss here, the symptoms of COVID-19 can be very severe in many cases. Many of these patients require treatment in intensive care units (ICUs). The WHO reports that “about a quarter of severe and critical cases require mechanical ventilation.”18
‘Flattening the curve’
This is why early counter measures are important in an epidemic. Their intention is to lower the rate of infection so that the epidemic is spread out over time such that the peak demand on the healthcare system is lower.
Containment measures are intended to avoid an outbreak trajectory in which a large number of people get sick at the same time. This is what the visualization (below) shows.
This is the reason that limiting the magnitude of peak incidence of an outbreak is important. Health systems can care for more patients across an outbreak when the number of cases is spread out over a long period rather than condensed in a very short period.
What such counter measures to the pandemic attempt to avoid is that the number of patients at one point in time is so large that health systems fail to provide the required care for some patients19
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
This was what I was saying, which means that Chinese success in reducing new infections in Beijing to one is neither here nor there, as when they begin to lift restrictions their infection rate will increase (hopefully again to manageable levels). They are not killing off the virus, only controlling it. We have months of this to go yet.
If enough time passes that existing patients aren’t contagious the likelihood of further waves of spread diminishes considerably.
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
The intention of early containmentA lower peak of the outbreak allows the healthcare system to provide care for more people
The total mortality of an epidemic can be high even if the symptoms for the vast majority are mild. While it might not seem intuitive, it is possible for the following two things to be true at the same time:
- For the majority of people, symptoms are mild and in some cases similar to the common flu.
- An epidemic of the same disease can cause a very high number of deaths.
As we discuss here, the symptoms of COVID-19 can be very severe in many cases. Many of these patients require treatment in intensive care units (ICUs). The WHO reports that “about a quarter of severe and critical cases require mechanical ventilation.”18
‘Flattening the curve’
This is why early counter measures are important in an epidemic. Their intention is to lower the rate of infection so that the epidemic is spread out over time such that the peak demand on the healthcare system is lower.
Containment measures are intended to avoid an outbreak trajectory in which a large number of people get sick at the same time. This is what the visualization (below) shows.
This is the reason that limiting the magnitude of peak incidence of an outbreak is important. Health systems can care for more patients across an outbreak when the number of cases is spread out over a long period rather than condensed in a very short period.
What such counter measures to the pandemic attempt to avoid is that the number of patients at one point in time is so large that health systems fail to provide the required care for some patients19
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
This was what I was saying, which means that Chinese success in reducing new infections in Beijing to one is neither here nor there, as when they begin to lift restrictions their infection rate will increase (hopefully again to manageable levels). They are not killing off the virus, only controlling it. We have months of this to go yet.
“The number of new daily COVID-19 cases in Hubei province, the epicentre of the original outbreak, has fallen to just one in the last 24 hours from the height of nearly 15,000 cases recorded on February 13, according to China’s National Health Commission.”
Not Beijing, the whole of Hubei province, including Wuhan.
IIRC restrictions have been lifted.
>>>They are not killing off the virus, only controlling it. We have months of this to go yet.
Six to twelve months, I’d guess.
The only way you can maintain a single low sloping curve is to maintain stringent restrictions that amount to a total shutdown for a very long period. With a functionally active society the restrictions will need to be periodically lifted, which will mean infections will increase until they reach a stage where they need to be strictly controlled again, in which case new infections will then fall, until they reach a level when restrictions can be relaxed. It will be a very sensitive seesaw maneuver as to how many restrictions will be required and when can they be relaxed. Some countries are going to be able to do this well (like China), whist others like Italy whose control capability seems to have long bolted.
As of 1:30pm AEDT on Wednesday, March 18
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-news-anzac-day/12064922
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
The intention of early containmentA lower peak of the outbreak allows the healthcare system to provide care for more people
The total mortality of an epidemic can be high even if the symptoms for the vast majority are mild. While it might not seem intuitive, it is possible for the following two things to be true at the same time:
- For the majority of people, symptoms are mild and in some cases similar to the common flu.
- An epidemic of the same disease can cause a very high number of deaths.
As we discuss here, the symptoms of COVID-19 can be very severe in many cases. Many of these patients require treatment in intensive care units (ICUs). The WHO reports that “about a quarter of severe and critical cases require mechanical ventilation.”18
‘Flattening the curve’
This is why early counter measures are important in an epidemic. Their intention is to lower the rate of infection so that the epidemic is spread out over time such that the peak demand on the healthcare system is lower.
Containment measures are intended to avoid an outbreak trajectory in which a large number of people get sick at the same time. This is what the visualization (below) shows.
This is the reason that limiting the magnitude of peak incidence of an outbreak is important. Health systems can care for more patients across an outbreak when the number of cases is spread out over a long period rather than condensed in a very short period.
What such counter measures to the pandemic attempt to avoid is that the number of patients at one point in time is so large that health systems fail to provide the required care for some patients19
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
This was what I was saying, which means that Chinese success in reducing new infections in Beijing to one is neither here nor there, as when they begin to lift restrictions their infection rate will increase (hopefully again to manageable levels). They are not killing off the virus, only controlling it. We have months of this to go yet.
If enough time passes that existing patients aren’t contagious the likelihood of further waves of spread diminishes considerably.
The general movement of people, means some will have the disease and their movement in and out of the area will infect uninfected people thereby starting it off again. Covid-19 cannot be controlled without strict regulation.
Start vaccinating for all the low hanging fruit diseases that will clog the system. You knock the edge of potential hospital admissions by vaccinating for stuff that will add to the load later on when you need beds.
Vaccinating now will stop the outbreaks of other stuff that WILL appear as the hospital system collapses.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:This was what I was saying, which means that Chinese success in reducing new infections in Beijing to one is neither here nor there, as when they begin to lift restrictions their infection rate will increase (hopefully again to manageable levels). They are not killing off the virus, only controlling it. We have months of this to go yet.
If enough time passes that existing patients aren’t contagious the likelihood of further waves of spread diminishes considerably.
The general movement of people, means some will have the disease and their movement in and out of the area will infect uninfected people thereby starting it off again. Covid-19 cannot be controlled without strict regulation.
It depends how long people are contagious.
so interestingly in most other places this thing has hit in the middle of winter, and if it’s anything like an influenza-like illness the seasonal changes will only improve things from this point on; meanwhile here it is ramping up going into autumn,
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:If enough time passes that existing patients aren’t contagious the likelihood of further waves of spread diminishes considerably.
The general movement of people, means some will have the disease and their movement in and out of the area will infect uninfected people thereby starting it off again. Covid-19 cannot be controlled without strict regulation.
It depends how long people are contagious.
true, it can also be controlled with lots of deaths, and herd immunity among the sheeple
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:This was what I was saying, which means that Chinese success in reducing new infections in Beijing to one is neither here nor there, as when they begin to lift restrictions their infection rate will increase (hopefully again to manageable levels). They are not killing off the virus, only controlling it. We have months of this to go yet.
If enough time passes that existing patients aren’t contagious the likelihood of further waves of spread diminishes considerably.
The general movement of people, means some will have the disease and their movement in and out of the area will infect uninfected people thereby starting it off again. Covid-19 cannot be controlled without strict regulation.
There will be an in-between stage of precautions taken but restrictions relaxed. Screening, wearing of masks and gloves, sanitizing stations and blah. There will be a new normal for a while before we get back to general movement of people like we were used to only a month ago.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:If enough time passes that existing patients aren’t contagious the likelihood of further waves of spread diminishes considerably.
The general movement of people, means some will have the disease and their movement in and out of the area will infect uninfected people thereby starting it off again. Covid-19 cannot be controlled without strict regulation.
It depends how long people are contagious.
Currently only a small number of people are infected compared to their population size, so plenty of uninfected people to infect.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:If enough time passes that existing patients aren’t contagious the likelihood of further waves of spread diminishes considerably.
The general movement of people, means some will have the disease and their movement in and out of the area will infect uninfected people thereby starting it off again. Covid-19 cannot be controlled without strict regulation.
There will be an in-between stage of precautions taken but restrictions relaxed. Screening, wearing of masks and gloves, sanitizing stations and blah. There will be a new normal for a while before we get back to general movement of people like we were used to only a month ago.
No, it’s going to take a very long time, at least until there is an effective vaccine that is not expected for at least 18 months.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:The general movement of people, means some will have the disease and their movement in and out of the area will infect uninfected people thereby starting it off again. Covid-19 cannot be controlled without strict regulation.
There will be an in-between stage of precautions taken but restrictions relaxed. Screening, wearing of masks and gloves, sanitizing stations and blah. There will be a new normal for a while before we get back to general movement of people like we were used to only a month ago.
No, it’s going to take a very long time, at least until there is an effective vaccine that is not expected for at least 18 months.
Yes. i agree. It will take several months minimum, possibly up to 2 years. In the meantime, people will get used to doing the necessary things to limit the spread. The virus hit a naive public and spread very rapidly in the first wave. The public will not be naive for a second wave. I expect any second wave outbreaks to be contained far more quickly once people know the drill.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:The general movement of people, means some will have the disease and their movement in and out of the area will infect uninfected people thereby starting it off again. Covid-19 cannot be controlled without strict regulation.
There will be an in-between stage of precautions taken but restrictions relaxed. Screening, wearing of masks and gloves, sanitizing stations and blah. There will be a new normal for a while before we get back to general movement of people like we were used to only a month ago.
No, it’s going to take a very long time, at least until there is an effective vaccine that is not expected for at least 18 months.
I shall, upon forum advice, bookmark this post.
All {Department name withheld} Victoria staff have been directed to take their laptops home with them each night in anticipation of an order to shut down all offices.
Dramatic Shift In Tone From The White House | Morning Joe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HaEnsiGQPA
Our local RSL (possibly the biggest Pokies joint outside of Crown Casino) has reduced its operations to accommodating no more than 80 of its most reckless Pokies players.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:There will be an in-between stage of precautions taken but restrictions relaxed. Screening, wearing of masks and gloves, sanitizing stations and blah. There will be a new normal for a while before we get back to general movement of people like we were used to only a month ago.
No, it’s going to take a very long time, at least until there is an effective vaccine that is not expected for at least 18 months.
Yes. i agree. It will take several months minimum, possibly up to 2 years. In the meantime, people will get used to doing the necessary things to limit the spread. The virus hit a naive public and spread very rapidly in the first wave. The public will not be naive for a second wave. I expect any second wave outbreaks to be contained far more quickly once people know the drill.
The problem is Covid-19 is highly infectious and not recognisable in its early stages. Look at our current situation, travel restrictions, trade restrictions, businesses in dire trouble with many likely to fail with dramatic unemployment. People have mortgages/rent and various bills to pay with no income, others will end up on the street with no job, income or home. These restrictions over the next few months and before winter is done, is going to turn Australia upside down. Until there is a vaccine there is no protection except isolation.
the directive from DBCA is that the zoo will remain open, as will Rotto, Kings park, the botanic gardens and all national parks
Rule 303 said:
All {Department name withheld} Victoria staff have been directed to take their laptops home with them each night in anticipation of an order to shut down all offices.
Mrs has been doing that for a week.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:No, it’s going to take a very long time, at least until there is an effective vaccine that is not expected for at least 18 months.
Yes. i agree. It will take several months minimum, possibly up to 2 years. In the meantime, people will get used to doing the necessary things to limit the spread. The virus hit a naive public and spread very rapidly in the first wave. The public will not be naive for a second wave. I expect any second wave outbreaks to be contained far more quickly once people know the drill.
The problem is Covid-19 is highly infectious and not recognisable in its early stages. Look at our current situation, travel restrictions, trade restrictions, businesses in dire trouble with many likely to fail with dramatic unemployment. People have mortgages/rent and various bills to pay with no income, others will end up on the street with no job, income or home. These restrictions over the next few months and before winter is done, is going to turn Australia upside down. Until there is a vaccine there is no protection except isolation.
The situation in Hubei doesn’t suggest that.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:Yes. i agree. It will take several months minimum, possibly up to 2 years. In the meantime, people will get used to doing the necessary things to limit the spread. The virus hit a naive public and spread very rapidly in the first wave. The public will not be naive for a second wave. I expect any second wave outbreaks to be contained far more quickly once people know the drill.
The problem is Covid-19 is highly infectious and not recognisable in its early stages. Look at our current situation, travel restrictions, trade restrictions, businesses in dire trouble with many likely to fail with dramatic unemployment. People have mortgages/rent and various bills to pay with no income, others will end up on the street with no job, income or home. These restrictions over the next few months and before winter is done, is going to turn Australia upside down. Until there is a vaccine there is no protection except isolation.
The situation in Hubei doesn’t suggest that.
Commonsense however does.
Bloody hell, I won’t be able to go to mass on Sunday.
sibeen said:
Bloody hell, I won’t be able to go to mass on Sunday.
you might have to convert to energy instead.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Bloody hell, I won’t be able to go to mass on Sunday.
you might have to convert to energy instead.
I’ll have to see the light.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Bloody hell, I won’t be able to go to mass on Sunday.
you might have to convert to energy instead.
I’ll have to see the light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ATBbrfmzc0
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:The problem is Covid-19 is highly infectious and not recognisable in its early stages. Look at our current situation, travel restrictions, trade restrictions, businesses in dire trouble with many likely to fail with dramatic unemployment. People have mortgages/rent and various bills to pay with no income, others will end up on the street with no job, income or home. These restrictions over the next few months and before winter is done, is going to turn Australia upside down. Until there is a vaccine there is no protection except isolation.
The situation in Hubei doesn’t suggest that.
Commonsense however does.
So we have reality, and we have so-called common sense. Let’s think, which one is more likely to stand up to a … reality check¿
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:you might have to convert to energy instead.
I’ll have to see the light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ATBbrfmzc0
I thought that was what I was going to see.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:you might have to convert to energy instead.
I’ll have to see the light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ATBbrfmzc0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9wHFG6CXI
sarahs mum said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:I’ll have to see the light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ATBbrfmzc0
I thought that was what I was going to see.
it’s the only relevant clip.
:-)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/pm-advise-australians-not-to-travel-overseas-to-any-country/12067184
just watched that^
transition said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/pm-advise-australians-not-to-travel-overseas-to-any-country/12067184just watched that^
what’s the tsdw
The tv just graphed that in south korea only 3% of the over 80s were getting the corona virus. But the ones that did had a one in five chance of not making it.
their data had it that the 20 -30 year olds were the age group spreading it.
sarahs mum said:
The tv just graphed that in south korea only 3% of the over 80s were getting the corona virus. But the ones that did had a one in five chance of not making it.their data had it that the 20 -30 year olds were the age group spreading it.
They also implied that there maybe truth to it hitting the A blood group people harder.
North Korea have crawled out from under their rock to tell everyone that their health care system sucks.
Arts said:
North Korea have crawled out from under their rock to tell everyone that their health care system sucks.
?
My sister is feeling okay.
My niece told her that now was the best time to get the virus because they had the resources to deal with it.
I told her that she was in her 70s with a history of asthma and bronchitis and bronchial pneumonia and she didn’t have a best time to get the virus.
Just wondering – did any self-declared psychics, mediums or otherwise precognitive persons foresee this current situation (or claim to)?
sibeen said:
Arts said:
North Korea have crawled out from under their rock to tell everyone that their health care system sucks.
?
exclusive on news.com :)
Neophyte said:
Just wondering – did any self-declared psychics, mediums or otherwise precognitive persons foresee this current situation (or claim to)?
honestly it seems like some infectious diseases doctors have been warning about it for a while
Denmark.
Neophyte said:
Just wondering – did any self-declared psychics, mediums or otherwise precognitive persons foresee this current situation (or claim to)?
Trump felt it was a pandemic before it was called a pandemic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qYLGU7VNlQ
2m ago 13:48
US-Canada border to close to “non-essential” traffic
US president Donald Trump has just tweeted that the US-Canada border will be closed to “non-essential traffic”. Trump insists: “trade will not be affected”
sarahs mum said:
2m ago 13:48
US-Canada border to close to “non-essential” trafficUS president Donald Trump has just tweeted that the US-Canada border will be closed to “non-essential traffic”. Trump insists: “trade will not be affected”
I briefly read that people were praising trump for his strictness on this.. despite his obvious shortcomings in the past weeks
sarahs mum said:
2m ago 13:48
US-Canada border to close to “non-essential” trafficUS president Donald Trump has just tweeted that the US-Canada border will be closed to “non-essential traffic”. Trump insists: “trade will not be affected”
That seems like a sensible idea. Stop the flow of people over the border except those with a good reason. Truck drivers delivering goods would be deemed essential.
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:2m ago 13:48
US-Canada border to close to “non-essential” trafficUS president Donald Trump has just tweeted that the US-Canada border will be closed to “non-essential traffic”. Trump insists: “trade will not be affected”
I briefly read that people were praising trump for his strictness on this.. despite his obvious shortcomings in the past weeks
His ardent supporters will believe most anything.
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:2m ago 13:48
US-Canada border to close to “non-essential” trafficUS president Donald Trump has just tweeted that the US-Canada border will be closed to “non-essential traffic”. Trump insists: “trade will not be affected”
I briefly read that people were praising trump for his strictness on this.. despite his obvious shortcomings in the past weeks
Except Canada seems to have more of a grip on it than the states. I’m sure they are good.
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:2m ago 13:48
US-Canada border to close to “non-essential” trafficUS president Donald Trump has just tweeted that the US-Canada border will be closed to “non-essential traffic”. Trump insists: “trade will not be affected”
I briefly read that people were praising trump for his strictness on this.. despite his obvious shortcomings in the past weeks
Except Canada seems to have more of a grip on it than the states. I’m sure they are good.
A shutdown of the United States-Canada border, barring all
non-essential travel, is likely to be met with strong approval in
Canada, as health officials grapple with a surge in coronavirus cases
originating in the United States, writes my colleague Leyland Cecco in Toronto.
When prime minister Justin Trudeau previously announced the closure of Canada’s border to international travellers earlier this week, he made a large exception: American citizens could still travel north.
But a growing number of coronavirus cases has likely shifted the government’s calculations in recent days.
“We have 32 new in the last 24 hours,” Dr. Barbara Yaffe, Ontario’s associate chief medical officer of health, said Monday. “And a significant number of those were exposed in the United States.”
British Columbia’s health minister has been the most vocal of critic of Americans still having permission to travel into Canada. The westernmost province has been hit hard in recent days by a surge in cases, many of which are suspected of have originated in northern Washington state, one of the deadliest locations in the country for the virus.
“It’s our strong view and it’s our strong message that visitors from the United States not come to British Columbia,” said minister Adrian Dix at a press conference Tuesday night, as health officials announced a surge in cases- and three more deaths. “Don’t come. Because at this moment that is the wrong thing to do.”
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The situation in Hubei doesn’t suggest that.
Commonsense however does.
So we have reality, and we have so-called common sense. Let’s think, which one is more likely to stand up to a … reality check¿
You don’t have reality, you have opinion.
at 3:41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8WQAn8QnZE
That’s worse than anything in Aus..
sarahs mum said:
at 3:41https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8WQAn8QnZE
That’s worse than anything in Aus..
watched that
Jeffrey Shaman, an epidemiologist at Columbia University
Probably 10 cases for every documented case in the states. Probably 7 cases for every documented case in China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNi1Yt9wTfc
Due to the outbreak of the coronavirus pandemic, the trustees of Islington Foodbank have taken the difficult decision to close to the public after Monday 23rd March. We understand that we provide a service to vulnerable people who may need us more now than ever, but still feel this is the best course of action for several reasons:
The health and safety of our volunteers and clients is our top priority, and we feel this is the best way to minimise the risk of infection. Our food supplies are running low, with donations down and supermarkets limiting how much we can order, meaning that soon we will not be able to give our clients full food bags. We need a minimum number of volunteers at each session to operate safely. Increasing numbers are self-isolating and this is set to increase further if restrictions on over-70s come in as many of our volunteers are retired. ——I wonder how many food banks will close over the next days and weeks.
oh.
sarahs mum said:
Jeffrey Shaman, an epidemiologist at Columbia UniversityProbably 10 cases for every documented case in the states. Probably 7 cases for every documented case in China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNi1Yt9wTfc
watching that
US is getting it wrong, the trouble seems to part be the reliance on how clever their people are, DT’s one of the worst, hopelessly overshot the reality with delusion
sarahs mum said:
Due to the outbreak of the coronavirus pandemic, the trustees of Islington Foodbank have taken the difficult decision to close to the public after Monday 23rd March. We understand that we provide a service to vulnerable people who may need us more now than ever, but still feel this is the best course of action for several reasons: The health and safety of our volunteers and clients is our top priority, and we feel this is the best way to minimise the risk of infection. Our food supplies are running low, with donations down and supermarkets limiting how much we can order, meaning that soon we will not be able to give our clients full food bags. We need a minimum number of volunteers at each session to operate safely. Increasing numbers are self-isolating and this is set to increase further if restrictions on over-70s come in as many of our volunteers are retired. ——I wonder how many food banks will close over the next days and weeks.
oh.
consider that most of them are run on volunteer hours and most volunteers are ‘retired’, plus the restrictions of food as outlined above, I’d guess a number more…
3 more cases in Tas. People who have flown home and hopefully have been self isolated
The Tasmanian Government will offer one-off relief payments of $250 for individuals and $1,000 for families who have to self-isolate during the coronavirus pandemic, with $20 million in interest-free loans for the hospitality, tourism, seafood and exports sectors.
.
3m ago 15:26
The wedding of Princess Beatrice, the Queen’s granddaughter, has been postponed until next year because of the Covid-19 outbreak, Sun executive editor Dan Wootton reports on Twitter.
Eurovision 2020 has been cancelled.
The coronavirus death toll in the UK has reached 104 after NHS England said a further 32 people had died in England after testing positive.
This brings the total number of confirmed reported deaths in England to 99. The patients were aged between 59 and 94 years old and had underlying health conditions.
Australia has ordered another 100,000 test kits.
From the USA…
party_pants said:
Eurovision 2020 has been cancelled.
Every cloud has a silver lining.
1m ago 17:13
Trump signs bill to take control of private sector
Donald Trump, the United States president, has announced that he will invoke a federal provision that allows the government to marshal the private sector in response to the coronavirus pandemic, the Associated Press reports.
Trump, now describing himself as a wartime president, said he would sign the Defense Production Act “in case we need it” as the government bolsters resources for an expected surge in cases of the virus.
The Defense Production Act gives the president powers to direct domestic industrial production to provide essential materials and goods needed in a national security crisis.
It allows the president to require businesses and corporations to prioritise and accept contracts for required materials and services. It also allows the president to provide incentives for the domestic industrial base to expand the production and supply of critical materials and goods, according to a March 2 report by the Congressional Research Service.
Trump also said he will expand the nation’s testing capacity and deploy a Navy hospital ship to New York City, which is rapidly becoming the centre of a pandemic that has rattled the U.S. economy and rewritten the rules of American society.
A second ship will be deployed to the West Coast.
——
Well…
1m ago 13:39
The coronavirus death toll in Italy has increased by 475 in a single day, according to the latest figures from the Civil Protection Agency.
In total the death toll from the virus in the country, the worst affected in Europe by the outbreak, has now reached 2,978 – an increase of 19%, Reuters reported.
The total number of cases in Italy, the European country hardest hit by the virus, rose to 35,713 from a previous 31,506, up 13.35%
Of those originally infected, 4,025 had fully recovered compared to 2,941 the day before. Some 2,257 people were in intensive care against a previous 2,060.
sarahs mum said:
1m ago 17:13
Trump signs bill to take control of private sectorDonald Trump, the United States president, has announced that he will invoke a federal provision that allows the government to marshal the private sector in response to the coronavirus pandemic, the Associated Press reports.
Trump, now describing himself as a wartime president, said he would sign the Defense Production Act “in case we need it” as the government bolsters resources for an expected surge in cases of the virus.
The Defense Production Act gives the president powers to direct domestic industrial production to provide essential materials and goods needed in a national security crisis.
It allows the president to require businesses and corporations to prioritise and accept contracts for required materials and services. It also allows the president to provide incentives for the domestic industrial base to expand the production and supply of critical materials and goods, according to a March 2 report by the Congressional Research Service.
Trump also said he will expand the nation’s testing capacity and deploy a Navy hospital ship to New York City, which is rapidly becoming the centre of a pandemic that has rattled the U.S. economy and rewritten the rules of American society.
A second ship will be deployed to the West Coast.
——Well…
so about that idea of no longer needing elections
Coronavirus survival on surfaces and in the air
The COVID-19 virus can survive when attached to aerosols — or small water droplets in the air — for up to three hours. But its viability appears to be lengthier on surfaces, according to new research by the National Institutes of Health, Princeton and the University of California, Los Angeles.
Researchers found that the virus can remain viable for between two and three days on plastic and steel, which are commonly used in electronic devices. The research didn’t test for glass or aluminum, and it isn’t clear if the 2019 Novel Coronavirus has similar properties on those materials. For those worried about their Amazon or grocery deliveries, the same research shows that the coronavirus can survive up to 24 hours on cardboard —so wipe that Amazon box down when it arrives. On copper materials, it only lived for four hours.
It’s important to note that this research is current, so guidelines and results may change as further study is carried out. Researchers also cautioned that work done in a lab environment may not translate to coronavirus viability in the real world.
A previous review of 22 studies found that human coronaviruses can survive on surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for varying lengths of time. SARS, for example, survived two days on steel, four days on glass and up to five days on metals and plastics. Interestingly, on aluminum, it remained viable for two to eight hours.
SARS is not the same as COVID-19, and there are big distinctions between the two. SARS survived eight hours on cardboard, while the coronavirus lasted about 24 hours. That likely translates to big differences in other materials for the novel coronavirus as well.
That study also revealed that most previous coronaviruses can be rendered inactive by many common surface disinfectants within one minute. That research hasn’t caught up with the 2019 Novel Coronavirus, however.
sarahs mum said:
Australia has ordered another 100,000 test kits.From the USA…
Interestingly the current tests have quite a high false negative – 15-20% according to a boffin at NSW health.
poikilotherm said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia has ordered another 100,000 test kits.From the USA…
Interestingly the current tests have quite a high false negative – 15-20% according to a boffin at NSW health.
Hopefully they are working on better tests as they learn more.
poikilotherm said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia has ordered another 100,000 test kits.From the USA…
Interestingly the current tests have quite a high false negative – 15-20% according to a boffin at NSW health.
That doesn’t auger well for The Great Australian Pandemic Plan.
Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte says a mass lockdown in his country probably won’t work.
He says the Netherlands is looking at a “controlled distribution” of COVID-19 “among groups that are least at risk”.
Yeah baby let’s get this shit out there, when everyone who is gunna die has died then we’re all sweet and good to go!
SCIENCE said:
Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte says a mass lockdown in his country probably won’t work.He says the Netherlands is looking at a “controlled distribution” of COVID-19 “among groups that are least at risk”.
Yeah baby let’s get this shit out there, when everyone who is gunna die has died then we’re all sweet and good to go!
They are all out of their tree on dope in Hollamd anyway.
Seriously though what are we to make of this ¿ Does it mean they have essentially given up ¿
SCIENCE said:
Seriously though what are we to make of this ¿ Does it mean they have essentially given up ¿
Who?
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Seriously though what are we to make of this ¿ Does it mean they have essentially given up ¿
Who?
That’s them, yeah.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Seriously though what are we to make of this ¿ Does it mean they have essentially given up ¿
Who?
That’s them, yeah.
People who say mass lockdown probably won’t work, who say the Netherlands is looking at a “controlled distribution” of COVID-19
Do you want the good news?
In the three weeks I was away, the mortality rate dropped.
Best estimate 3 weeks ago was a mortality rate of 4.6 to 4.8%.
Best estimate today is a mortality rate of 3.7%.
I’m not sure whether that’s a consequence of virus mutation or not. There’s always the possibility that the most contagious mutation is not the deadliest.
Here’s a great article to read, if you want to know precisely what our State and Federal governments are not going to do to assist us through ‘the crisis’.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-stimulus-package-save-households-not-cheap/12067530
I mean, can you imagine any government in this country doing these things? Putting the ultimate benefit of the community before their own immediate political futures?
captain_spalding said:
Here’s a great article to read, if you want to know precisely what our State and Federal governments are not going to do to assist us through ‘the crisis’.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-stimulus-package-save-households-not-cheap/12067530
I mean, can you imagine any government in this country doing these things? Putting the ultimate benefit of the community before their own immediate political futures?
Labor would.
captain_spalding said:
Here’s a great article to read, if you want to know precisely what our State and Federal governments are not going to do to assist us through ‘the crisis’.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-stimulus-package-save-households-not-cheap/12067530
I mean, can you imagine any government in this country doing these things? Putting the ultimate benefit of the community before their own immediate political futures?
but but but the article says that
“The Government has shown it will take the necessary steps to manage an unprecedented health crisis.”
they really are taking all the necessary steps, aren’t they
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
Here’s a great article to read, if you want to know precisely what our State and Federal governments are not going to do to assist us through ‘the crisis’.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-stimulus-package-save-households-not-cheap/12067530
I mean, can you imagine any government in this country doing these things? Putting the ultimate benefit of the community before their own immediate political futures?
Labor would.
They might have done, once.
But, they learnt the lesson of Rudd’s GFC stimulus.
Sure, it worked, but that kind of expensive, broad, social expenditure annoys enough people in your own party and enough of your sponsors to make you a target for replacement at a convenient opportunity. Rudd’s term as PM only became more disrupted and uncertain from that point on. It rocked some peoples’ boats a little too much.
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
Here’s a great article to read, if you want to know precisely what our State and Federal governments are not going to do to assist us through ‘the crisis’.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-stimulus-package-save-households-not-cheap/12067530
I mean, can you imagine any government in this country doing these things? Putting the ultimate benefit of the community before their own immediate political futures?
Labor would.
They might have done, once.
But, they learnt the lesson of Rudd’s GFC stimulus.
Sure, it worked, but that kind of expensive, broad, social expenditure annoys enough people in your own party and enough of your sponsors to make you a target for replacement at a convenient opportunity. Rudd’s term as PM only became more disrupted and uncertain from that point on. It rocked some peoples’ boats a little too much.
imagine that, we get the kind of government we vote for
SCIENCE said:
imagine that, we get the kind of government we vote for
We get the kind of government that we’re allowed to vote for.
The parties we have today have been shaped by a lot of interests, with those of the electorate only one among many.
In the case of the ALP, with its steady campaign to distance itself ever farther from its union roots, those influences are not what they used to be.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:imagine that, we get the kind of government we vote for
We get the kind of government that we’re allowed to vote for.
The parties we have today have been shaped by a lot of interests, with those of the electorate only one among many.
In the case of the ALP, with its steady campaign to distance itself ever farther from its union roots, those influences are not what they used to be.
true, we don’t know how to solve the lobby group problem
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
Here’s a great article to read, if you want to know precisely what our State and Federal governments are not going to do to assist us through ‘the crisis’.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-stimulus-package-save-households-not-cheap/12067530
I mean, can you imagine any government in this country doing these things? Putting the ultimate benefit of the community before their own immediate political futures?
Labor would.
They might have done, once.
But, they learnt the lesson of Rudd’s GFC stimulus.
Sure, it worked, but that kind of expensive, broad, social expenditure annoys enough people in your own party and enough of your sponsors to make you a target for replacement at a convenient opportunity. Rudd’s term as PM only became more disrupted and uncertain from that point on. It rocked some peoples’ boats a little too much.
I doubt that the GFC stimulus was the most significant part in the downfall of Kevin Rudd.
I think it is too early to go with a full on stimulus. You need to keep some petrol in the tank. They should put money out there to keep people alive, fed, housed, the necessities and when/if the crisis passes go into stimulus mode…
roughbarked said:
Coronavirus survival on surfaces and in the airThe COVID-19 virus can survive when attached to aerosols — or small water droplets in the air — for up to three hours. But its viability appears to be lengthier on surfaces, according to new research by the National Institutes of Health, Princeton and the University of California, Los Angeles.
Researchers found that the virus can remain viable for between two and three days on plastic and steel, which are commonly used in electronic devices. The research didn’t test for glass or aluminum, and it isn’t clear if the 2019 Novel Coronavirus has similar properties on those materials. For those worried about their Amazon or grocery deliveries, the same research shows that the coronavirus can survive up to 24 hours on cardboard —so wipe that Amazon box down when it arrives. On copper materials, it only lived for four hours.
It’s important to note that this research is current, so guidelines and results may change as further study is carried out. Researchers also cautioned that work done in a lab environment may not translate to coronavirus viability in the real world.
A previous review of 22 studies found that human coronaviruses can survive on surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for varying lengths of time. SARS, for example, survived two days on steel, four days on glass and up to five days on metals and plastics. Interestingly, on aluminum, it remained viable for two to eight hours.
SARS is not the same as COVID-19, and there are big distinctions between the two. SARS survived eight hours on cardboard, while the coronavirus lasted about 24 hours. That likely translates to big differences in other materials for the novel coronavirus as well.
That study also revealed that most previous coronaviruses can be rendered inactive by many common surface disinfectants within one minute. That research hasn’t caught up with the 2019 Novel Coronavirus, however.
scribbles down essential details
thankyou, rb
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:Labor would.
They might have done, once.
But, they learnt the lesson of Rudd’s GFC stimulus.
Sure, it worked, but that kind of expensive, broad, social expenditure annoys enough people in your own party and enough of your sponsors to make you a target for replacement at a convenient opportunity. Rudd’s term as PM only became more disrupted and uncertain from that point on. It rocked some peoples’ boats a little too much.
I doubt that the GFC stimulus was the most significant part in the downfall of Kevin Rudd.
I suspect that everyone in your party thinking that you’re a complete prick may have had something to do with it :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:Labor would.
They might have done, once.
But, they learnt the lesson of Rudd’s GFC stimulus.
Sure, it worked, but that kind of expensive, broad, social expenditure annoys enough people in your own party and enough of your sponsors to make you a target for replacement at a convenient opportunity. Rudd’s term as PM only became more disrupted and uncertain from that point on. It rocked some peoples’ boats a little too much.
I doubt that the GFC stimulus was the most significant part in the downfall of Kevin Rudd.
strange isn’t it, we kept hearing about how it was because he did things his own way and pushed on others and all those things Donald and Scott do which make them so Great
So, this not touching you face thing, presumably it is because infection routes are eyes/nose/mouth? What about ears, can you get infected via your ears?
furious said:
So, this not touching you face thing, presumably it is because infection routes are eyes/nose/mouth? What about ears, can you get infected via your ears?
That’s a question for Doctor Spock
Apparently Tasmania is closed except for freight.
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
Here’s a great article to read, if you want to know precisely what our State and Federal governments are not going to do to assist us through ‘the crisis’.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-stimulus-package-save-households-not-cheap/12067530
I mean, can you imagine any government in this country doing these things? Putting the ultimate benefit of the community before their own immediate political futures?
Labor would.
They might have done, once.
But, they learnt the lesson of Rudd’s GFC stimulus.
Sure, it worked, but that kind of expensive, broad, social expenditure annoys enough people in your own party and enough of your sponsors to make you a target for replacement at a convenient opportunity. Rudd’s term as PM only became more disrupted and uncertain from that point on. It rocked some peoples’ boats a little too much.
Fuck you’re one for conspiracies.
While I was away from the news, the USA has put on 2700 cases in two days. Might just be due to expanded testing.
Did hear some boffin saying Australia has about 3% the number of respirators it would need to deal with the Worst Case Scenario.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:Labor would.
They might have done, once.
But, they learnt the lesson of Rudd’s GFC stimulus.
Sure, it worked, but that kind of expensive, broad, social expenditure annoys enough people in your own party and enough of your sponsors to make you a target for replacement at a convenient opportunity. Rudd’s term as PM only became more disrupted and uncertain from that point on. It rocked some peoples’ boats a little too much.
Fuck you’re one for conspiracies.
Nah, nah, for real. He knows a guy…
furious said:
So, this not touching you face thing, presumably it is because infection routes are eyes/nose/mouth? What about ears, can you get infected via your ears?
Eustachian Tubes?
Michael V said:
furious said:
So, this not touching you face thing, presumably it is because infection routes are eyes/nose/mouth? What about ears, can you get infected via your ears?
Eustachian Tubes?
I’m no biologist but it is an entry point and they’re all interconnected, aren’t they?
I watching those virus movies I have learnt that people wear masks in virus movies but don’t when mixing with other people in reality.
good news, Liberal government has solved the high housing prices problem
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-recession-what-does-it-look-like/12064074
dv said:
While I was away from the news, the USA has put on 2700 cases in two days. Might just be due to expanded testing.
Did hear some boffin saying Australia has about 3% the number of respirators it would need to deal with the Worst Case Scenario.
It’s on this or the other thread.
6s ago 02:09
Ben Butler
Ben Butler
More now on Australian Airline Qantas suspending international flights.
Australia’s national carrier, Qantas, will stand down two-thirds of its 30,000-strong workforce without pay and end international flights in a bid to survive what chief executive Alan Joyce said was the biggest crisis aviation has ever been through.
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ooooo.
sarahs mum said:
6s ago 02:09
Ben ButlerBen Butler
More now on Australian Airline Qantas suspending international flights.
Australia’s national carrier, Qantas, will stand down two-thirds of its 30,000-strong workforce without pay and end international flights in a bid to survive what chief executive Alan Joyce said was the biggest crisis aviation has ever been through.
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ooooo.
buy buy buy
Not a lot of great news in Italy, either, still around 3000 new cases a day. But at least it appears the rate of new cases has stabilised.
Apparently Wuhan are reporting zero new cases for yesterday.
party_pants said:
Apparently Wuhan are reporting zero new cases for yesterday.
Honourable Chinese government prevailed
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
Apparently Wuhan are reporting zero new cases for yesterday.
Honourable Chinese government prevailed
I’m inclined to believe them.
Just this once.
3m ago 02:44
Justin McCurry
Justin McCurry
Japan’s deputy prime minister has said that the Tokyo Olympics are “cursed”, as speculation mounts that the Games will have to be postponed due to the coronavirus pandemic.
Taro Aso, who has a history of making gaffes, told a parliamentary committee that the Olympics appeared to be blighted by world events every 40 years.
Japanese Finance Minister Taro Aso answers a question by an opposition lawmaker at Upper House’s budget committee session at the National Diet Upper House budget committee session, Tokyo, Japan – 17 Mar 2020
Japanese deputy prime minister Taro Aso answers a question by an opposition lawmaker at Upper House’s budget committee session at the National Diet Upper House budget committee session, Tokyo, Japan – 17 Mar 2020 Photograph: Aflo/REX/Shutterstock
Japan had planned to host the summer and winter Olympics in 1940, but the second world war forced the cancellation of both Games.
Forty years later, many countries, including the US, China and Japan, boycotted the Moscow Olympics in protest at the Soviet Union’s invasion of Afghanistan.
“It’s a problem that’s happened every 40 years – it’s the cursed Olympics – and that’s a fact,” Aso said.
While Japanese officials and International Olympic Committee have repeatedly insisted the Games will go ahead as scheduled, Aso, who doubles as finance minister, said holding them this summer would “not make sense” if other countries were unable to send their athletes.
“As the prime minister said, it’s desirable to hold the Olympics in an environment where everyone feels safe and happy. But that’s not something Japan alone can decide.”
Tokyo 2020 organisers said a little-known Japanese swimmer who competed in the 1996 Atlanta Games would receive the Olympic torch during a scaled-back handover ceremony in Athens later on Thursday.
Naoko Imoto, who works in Greece for Unicef, had been approached by organisers after virus-related travel restrictions prevented a Japanese delegation from flying to Athens to receive the symbolic flame, which is due to arrive in Japan on Friday.
“We decided yesterday that we felt it was necessary for a Japanese person to undertake this role,” the organising committee’s chief executive, Toshiro Muto, told reporters.
dv said:
Not a lot of great news in Italy, either, still around 3000 new cases a day. But at least it appears the rate of new cases has stabilised.
Population of Italy is about 60,000,000
The death rate for 2019 was slightly above 10%
That’s about 6,000,000 deaths per year through expected attrition.
i.e. about 0.5 million deaths per month through expected normal attrition.
i.e about 16,500 per day through normal attrition.
Italy has had 475 COVID attributed deaths in last 24 hours.
The community prevalence of COVID in Italy (or anywhere, for that matter) is unknown.
My question is whether the Italian figures differentiate between “dying from COVID” and “dying with COVID”.
party_pants said:
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
Apparently Wuhan are reporting zero new cases for yesterday.
Honourable Chinese government prevailed
I’m inclined to believe them.
Just this once.
Given the number of cases they had, and the population they have, why is it that our media is saying millions here will get it and tens of thousands (at best) will die?
pesce.del.giorno said:
dv said:
Not a lot of great news in Italy, either, still around 3000 new cases a day. But at least it appears the rate of new cases has stabilised.
Population of Italy is about 60,000,000
The death rate for 2019 was slightly above 10%
That’s about 6,000,000 deaths per year through expected attrition.
i.e. about 0.5 million deaths per month through expected normal attrition.
i.e about 16,500 per day through normal attrition.Italy has had 475 COVID attributed deaths in last 24 hours.
The community prevalence of COVID in Italy (or anywhere, for that matter) is unknown.My question is whether the Italian figures differentiate between “dying from COVID” and “dying with COVID”.
Err, I suspect you death rate percentage is slightly skewed way, way out.
party_pants said:
Apparently Wuhan are reporting zero new cases for yesterday.
And indeed the entire Hubei province!
Well done China.
sibeen said:
pesce.del.giorno said:
dv said:
Not a lot of great news in Italy, either, still around 3000 new cases a day. But at least it appears the rate of new cases has stabilised.
Population of Italy is about 60,000,000
The death rate for 2019 was slightly above 10%
That’s about 6,000,000 deaths per year through expected attrition.
i.e. about 0.5 million deaths per month through expected normal attrition.
i.e about 16,500 per day through normal attrition.Italy has had 475 COVID attributed deaths in last 24 hours.
The community prevalence of COVID in Italy (or anywhere, for that matter) is unknown.My question is whether the Italian figures differentiate between “dying from COVID” and “dying with COVID”.
Err, I suspect you death rate percentage is
slightly skewedway, way out.
I rechecked – yes, you’re right – out by about a factor of 10. Still, about 1650 per day in a normal year.
pesce.del.giorno said:
sibeen said:
pesce.del.giorno said:Population of Italy is about 60,000,000
The death rate for 2019 was slightly above 10%
That’s about 6,000,000 deaths per year through expected attrition.
i.e. about 0.5 million deaths per month through expected normal attrition.
i.e about 16,500 per day through normal attrition.Italy has had 475 COVID attributed deaths in last 24 hours.
The community prevalence of COVID in Italy (or anywhere, for that matter) is unknown.My question is whether the Italian figures differentiate between “dying from COVID” and “dying with COVID”.
Err, I suspect you death rate percentage is
slightly skewedway, way out.
I rechecked – yes, you’re right – out by about a factor of 10. Still, about 1650 per day in a normal year.
Hey, a single OoM, you could be an engineer.
Conan O’Brien
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@ConanOBrien
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sarahs mum said:
Conan O’Brien
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@ConanOBrienI am going back on the air Monday, March 30th. All my staff will work from home, I will shoot at home using an iPhone, and my guests will Skype. This will not be pretty, but feel free to laugh at our attempt. Stay safe.
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Who is Conan O’Brien when he is at home?
< ahref=“https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/nbl-hands-perth-wildcats-gand-final-title/12071416?WT.ac=statenews_wa”>Perth Wildcats awarded NBL grand final after coronavirus truncates finals series
“The five-match final series was truncated to three games after Sydney expressed reluctance to travel back to Perth for game four due to fears over the coronavirus.”
Good for Perth, and everything, but given there were no spectators and therefore no real home “ground” advantage, why were they flying back and forth across the country anyway? They could have done all five games at the one location – to remove all illusion of advantage for one team over another, they could have played at a neutral location…
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:Conan O’Brien
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@ConanOBrienI am going back on the air Monday, March 30th. All my staff will work from home, I will shoot at home using an iPhone, and my guests will Skype. This will not be pretty, but feel free to laugh at our attempt. Stay safe.
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Who is Conan O’Brien when he is at home?
He’s one of those US late night shock jocks.
furious said:
Perth Wildcats awarded NBL grand final after coronavirus truncates finals series“The five-match final series was truncated to three games after Sydney expressed reluctance to travel back to Perth for game four due to fears over the coronavirus.”
Good for Perth, and everything, but given there were no spectators and therefore no real home “ground” advantage, why were they flying back and forth across the country anyway? They could have done all five games at the one location – to remove all illusion of advantage for one team over another, they could have played at a neutral location…
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:Conan O’Brien
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@ConanOBrienI am going back on the air Monday, March 30th. All my staff will work from home, I will shoot at home using an iPhone, and my guests will Skype. This will not be pretty, but feel free to laugh at our attempt. Stay safe.
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furious said:
< ahref=“https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/nbl-hands-perth-wildcats-gand-final-title/12071416?WT.ac=statenews_wa”>Perth Wildcats awarded NBL grand final after coronavirus truncates finals series“The five-match final series was truncated to three games after Sydney expressed reluctance to travel back to Perth for game four due to fears over the coronavirus.”
Good for Perth, and everything, but given there were no spectators and therefore no real home “ground” advantage, why were they flying back and forth across the country anyway? They could have done all five games at the one location – to remove all illusion of advantage for one team over another, they could have played at a neutral location…
The first match was played in a full stadium in Sydney, the next two games in Perth and then Sydney were empty stadiums. So Sydney got one “home ground” match in before the restrictions started.
Personally I think they should have been awarded the title jointly, because the series was incomplete.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:Conan O’Brien
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Who is Conan O’Brien when he is at home?
He’s one of those US late night shock jocks.
I don’t watch those shows, but him and one other, everytin3ci click past them they are talking about Trump, every time. Is that the whole hour on those programs? Show band then talking about Trump?
AwesomeO said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:Who is Conan O’Brien when he is at home?
He’s one of those US late night shock jocks.
I don’t watch those shows, but him and one other, everytin3ci click past them they are talking about Trump, every time. Is that the whole hour on those programs? Show band then talking about Trump?
He’s the only freak show that’s running.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:Conan O’Brien
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Who is Conan O’Brien when he is at home?
He’s one of those US late night shock jocks.
Never heard of him. I suppose that’s why – he’s in another country.
My sister’s work has been shut down. Everyone was told to work from home for at least the next month, and to clean out their desks “like you’re never coming back”.
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:Who is Conan O’Brien when he is at home?
He’s one of those US late night shock jocks.
Never heard of him. I suppose that’s why – he’s in another country.
Don’t worry, he can’t shock you.
Divine Angel said:
My sister’s work has been shut down. Everyone was told to work from home for at least the next month, and to clean out their desks “like you’re never coming back”.
No need for alarm, that is just like what you do at the end of the school year because when you go back, invariably you will be in a new room…
I wonder if working from home will become the norm and people will continue doing it as the new normal even after the pandemic is over. It could be a last effect of it.
party_pants said:
I wonder if working from home will become the norm and people will continue doing it as the new normal even after the pandemic is over. It could be a last effect of it.
I think so, if nothing else business will find some efficiencies and do some pruning. Many will find offloading workers to work from home will be cost effective.
AwesomeO said:
party_pants said:
I wonder if working from home will become the norm and people will continue doing it as the new normal even after the pandemic is over. It could be a last effect of it.
I think so, if nothing else business will find some efficiencies and do some pruning. Many will find offloading workers to work from home will be cost effective.
Hmm, Workcover etc…
buffy said:
AwesomeO said:
party_pants said:
I wonder if working from home will become the norm and people will continue doing it as the new normal even after the pandemic is over. It could be a last effect of it.
I think so, if nothing else business will find some efficiencies and do some pruning. Many will find offloading workers to work from home will be cost effective.
Hmm, Workcover etc…
There was an article on ABC in the past few days about accidents while working from home. In most cases, your employer is liable.
Perhaps they are going to close all schools nationwide
haha. my kids school is cancelling the group photo part of photo day, but still going ahead with the individual photos.. where they all line up to wait for their turn to sit in the chair…
smh
Australian prime minister Scott Morrison is speaking now. He is using a bridge metaphor.
Our plan is to ensure that over the next six months or as long as it then takes, that we then can effectively build a bridge to ensure that Australians, businesses, those impacted, we can bring them across the bridge and get them to the other side which is where on that side economy is rebounding and health is rebounding and Australian life can go back to what it was.
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Foresees memes that include bridges.
So, more travel bans then. No un-Australians allowed in.
What is herd immunity and could it slow the spread of coronavirus COVID-19 around the world?
People will die’: Some countries have discussed just letting coronavirus run its course
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is herd immunity and could it slow the spread of coronavirus COVID-19 around the world?People will die’: Some countries have discussed just letting coronavirus run its course
Already been said.
Just a warning for Curve.
I don’t know what he’s done and quite frankly I don’t want to know, but there are a lot of people out there who want to flatten him, so he just needs to take care when he goes out.
We got an email not long ago remote aboriginal communities are now off limits too most people and the community itself to police who enters and leaves
Unbelievable. Scotty closes our border to non-residents and bloody Jacinda over in NZ does the same thing 12 minutes later. What a bitch, stealing all his limelight.
Peak Warming Man said:
Just a warning for Curve.
I don’t know what he’s done and quite frankly I don’t want to know, but there are a lot of people out there who want to flatten him, so he just needs to take care when he goes out.
:)
Poor fella was just getting up the nerve to venture out and here you are deflating him.Coffins awaiting burial are lining up in churches and the corpses of those who died at home are being kept in sealed-off rooms for days as funeral services struggle to cope in Bergamo, the Italian province hardest hit by the coronavirus pandemic.
As of Wednesday, Covid-19 had killed 2,978 across Italy, all buried or cremated without ceremony. Those who die in hospital do so alone, with their belongings left in bags beside coffins before being collected by funeral workers.
In Bergamo, a province of 1.2 million people in the Lombardy region, where 1,640 of the total deaths in the country have taken place, 3,993 people had contracted the virus by Tuesday. The death toll across the province is unclear, but CFB, the area’s largest funeral director, has carried out almost 600 burials or cremations since 1 March.
“In a normal month we would do about 120,” said Antonio Ricciardi, the president of CFB. “A generation has died in just over two weeks. We’ve never seen anything like this and it just makes you cry.”
There are about 80 funeral companies across Bergamo, each receiving dozens of calls an hour. A shortage of coffins as providers struggle to keep up with demand and funeral workers becoming infected with the virus are also hampering preparations.
Cymek said:
We got an email not long ago remote aboriginal communities are now off limits too most people and the community itself to police who enters and leaves
Yes. Most aboriginal communities are full of vulnerable people.
sibeen said:
Unbelievable. Scotty closes our border to non-residents and bloody Jacinda over in NZ does the same thing 12 minutes later. What a bitch, stealing all his limelight.
He did say it was done in collaboration.
sibeen said:
Unbelievable. Scotty closes our border to non-residents and bloody Jacinda over in NZ does the same thing 12 minutes later. What a bitch, stealing all his limelight.
Could be seen the other way around for his detractors; if Jacinda is doing it too then it must be a good idea.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Unbelievable. Scotty closes our border to non-residents and bloody Jacinda over in NZ does the same thing 12 minutes later. What a bitch, stealing all his limelight.
He did say it was done in collaboration.
Poor old Scotty. A master of bad timing.
Tamb said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Unbelievable. Scotty closes our border to non-residents and bloody Jacinda over in NZ does the same thing 12 minutes later. What a bitch, stealing all his limelight.
He did say it was done in collaboration.
Poor old Scotty. A master of bad timing.
I’ve tried advancing and retarding him. Didn’t run smooth.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
We got an email not long ago remote aboriginal communities are now off limits too most people and the community itself to police who enters and leaves
Yes. Most aboriginal communities are full of vulnerable people.
I was also wondering about the homeless they are at risk of getting and spreading it
Australia. 568.
sarahs mum said:
Australia. 568.
Yeah. Not looking good in NSW. VIC and QLD are on the curve. The other states seems to be holding it down so far.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
sarahs mum said:He did say it was done in collaboration.
Poor old Scotty. A master of bad timing.
I’ve tried advancing and retarding him. Didn’t run smooth.
Maybe his plug is fouled.
sarahs mum said:
Australia. 568.
Yeah, but it’s 6 for which is not a bad score.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia. 568.Yeah, but it’s 6 for which is not a bad score.
You and your bloody cricket.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia. 568.Yeah, but it’s 6 for which is not a bad score.
V the Italians.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia. 568.Yeah, but it’s 6 for which is not a bad score.
this is the longest test match ever.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is herd immunity and could it slow the spread of coronavirus COVID-19 around the world?People will die’: Some countries have discussed just letting coronavirus run its course
Already been said.
ok
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia. 568.Yeah, but it’s 6 for which is not a bad score.
Countries with covid. 150/195
Arts said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia. 568.Yeah, but it’s 6 for which is not a bad score.
this is the longest test match ever.
Dragging on a bit. Needs a change of bowler.
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:
AwesomeO said:I think so, if nothing else business will find some efficiencies and do some pruning. Many will find offloading workers to work from home will be cost effective.
Hmm, Workcover etc…
There was an article on ABC in the past few days about accidents while working from home. In most cases, your employer is liable.
The employer cannot ensure a safe working place if they have no control. It could get very complex. And likely to start pushing people to be contractors…
It appears we now have our first confirmed case :(
A local back from OS. A team at the Tropical Public Health Services unit is now undertaking contact tracing in a bid to determine who may have been in contact with the woman.
QLD has 50 new confirmed cases since yesterday.
Michael V said:
QLD has 50 new confirmed cases since yesterday.
That’s quite a jump, probably southerners
buffy said:
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:Hmm, Workcover etc…
There was an article on ABC in the past few days about accidents while working from home. In most cases, your employer is liable.
The employer cannot ensure a safe working place if they have no control. It could get very complex. And likely to start pushing people to be contractors…
yes.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
QLD has 50 new confirmed cases since yesterday.
That’s quite a jump, probably southerners
Spider Lily said:
It appears we now have our first confirmed case :(A local back from OS. A team at the Tropical Public Health Services unit is now undertaking contact tracing in a bid to determine who may have been in contact with the woman.
Take care SL.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
QLD has 50 new confirmed cases since yesterday.
That’s quite a jump, probably southerners
Nah. Only the Mexicans want to go there. Leve us south welshmen out of it.
roughbarked said:
Spider Lily said:
It appears we now have our first confirmed case :(A local back from OS. A team at the Tropical Public Health Services unit is now undertaking contact tracing in a bid to determine who may have been in contact with the woman.
Take care SL.
Thanks RB… as of next week I will be high risk. Unless some very stringent changes have happened, like no customers and that’s never going to happen.
I just keep myself as fit and healthy as I can be :)
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184308/coronavirus-italy-medical-3d-print-valves-treatments
Spider Lily said:
roughbarked said:
Spider Lily said:
It appears we now have our first confirmed case :(A local back from OS. A team at the Tropical Public Health Services unit is now undertaking contact tracing in a bid to determine who may have been in contact with the woman.
Take care SL.
Thanks RB… as of next week I will be high risk. Unless some very stringent changes have happened, like no customers and that’s never going to happen.
I just keep myself as fit and healthy as I can be :)
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
QLD has 50 new confirmed cases since yesterday.
That’s quite a jump, probably southerners
Yeah, up to 144 from 94 yesterday.
Spider Lily said:
roughbarked said:
Spider Lily said:
It appears we now have our first confirmed case :(A local back from OS. A team at the Tropical Public Health Services unit is now undertaking contact tracing in a bid to determine who may have been in contact with the woman.
Take care SL.
Thanks RB… as of next week I will be high risk. Unless some very stringent changes have happened, like no customers and that’s never going to happen.
I just keep myself as fit and healthy as I can be :)
Why will you be high risk?
Tamb said:
Spider Lily said:
roughbarked said:Take care SL.
Thanks RB… as of next week I will be high risk. Unless some very stringent changes have happened, like no customers and that’s never going to happen.
I just keep myself as fit and healthy as I can be :)
That’d be right. I leave the safety of the Tableland & come to Cairns just as the first confirmed case is discovered. Grrrr!
That’s a bummer. Check with them again?
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
Spider Lily said:Thanks RB… as of next week I will be high risk. Unless some very stringent changes have happened, like no customers and that’s never going to happen.
I just keep myself as fit and healthy as I can be :)
That’d be right. I leave the safety of the Tableland & come to Cairns just as the first confirmed case is discovered. Grrrr!That’s a bummer. Check with them again?
Cairns Post
Cairns’ first coronavirus case confirmed
BREAKING: The city’s first case of coronavirus has been confirmed with a patient in isolation at Cairns Hospital
I wonder if this new surge is still people returning from overseas, or caught locally from someone who has, or caught randomly from being out in public.
party_pants said:
I wonder if this new surge is still people returning from overseas, or caught locally from someone who has, or caught randomly from being out in public.
Tamb said:
party_pants said:
I wonder if this new surge is still people returning from overseas, or caught locally from someone who has, or caught randomly from being out in public.
The Cairns one had returned from overseas.
In a sense, that is encouraging news.
party_pants said:
Tamb said:
party_pants said:
I wonder if this new surge is still people returning from overseas, or caught locally from someone who has, or caught randomly from being out in public.
The Cairns one had returned from overseas.In a sense, that is encouraging news.
Tamb said:
party_pants said:
Tamb said:The Cairns one had returned from overseas.
In a sense, that is encouraging news.
She’s in isolation.
Yes. In isolation, and her immediate family and contacts can be traced and told to self-isolate for a while. It would be worse if she had just randomly caught it going about her business in a public place – which would mean there is someone unknown out there with the disease and spreading it around, possibly unsymptomatic and unaware orthat they are doing so.
party_pants said:
Tamb said:
party_pants said:In a sense, that is encouraging news.
She’s in isolation.Yes. In isolation, and her immediate family and contacts can be traced and told to self-isolate for a while. It would be worse if she had just randomly caught it going about her business in a public place – which would mean there is someone unknown out there with the disease and spreading it around, possibly unsymptomatic and unaware orthat they are doing so.
Mm, hadn’t thought about that. Are there any mystery cases or can they all be traced to someone?
buffy said:
party_pants said:
Tamb said:She’s in isolation.
Yes. In isolation, and her immediate family and contacts can be traced and told to self-isolate for a while. It would be worse if she had just randomly caught it going about her business in a public place – which would mean there is someone unknown out there with the disease and spreading it around, possibly unsymptomatic and unaware orthat they are doing so.
Mm, hadn’t thought about that. Are there any mystery cases or can they all be traced to someone?
Many. This what I understand the term “community transmission” to mean.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
Tamb said:She’s in isolation.
Yes. In isolation, and her immediate family and contacts can be traced and told to self-isolate for a while. It would be worse if she had just randomly caught it going about her business in a public place – which would mean there is someone unknown out there with the disease and spreading it around, possibly unsymptomatic and unaware that they are doing so.
Mm, hadn’t thought about that. Are there any mystery cases or can they all be traced to someone?
To my knowledge, there are no such unknown cause cases yet in Australia, they can all be traced to a source. It was when this started happening in Italy they knew they had a problem. Also in South Korea, although one massive cluster has since been narrowed down to one patient attending a mass church.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Yes. In isolation, and her immediate family and contacts can be traced and told to self-isolate for a while. It would be worse if she had just randomly caught it going about her business in a public place – which would mean there is someone unknown out there with the disease and spreading it around, possibly unsymptomatic and unaware that they are doing so.
Mm, hadn’t thought about that. Are there any mystery cases or can they all be traced to someone?
To my knowledge, there are no such unknown cause cases yet in Australia, they can all be traced to a source. It was when this started happening in Italy they knew they had a problem. Also in South Korea, although one massive cluster has since been narrowed down to one patient attending a mass church.
So we might be able to contain it I imagine the next few weeks will tell us if we have
Michael V said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Yes. In isolation, and her immediate family and contacts can be traced and told to self-isolate for a while. It would be worse if she had just randomly caught it going about her business in a public place – which would mean there is someone unknown out there with the disease and spreading it around, possibly unsymptomatic and unaware orthat they are doing so.
Mm, hadn’t thought about that. Are there any mystery cases or can they all be traced to someone?
Many. This what I understand the term “community transmission” to mean.
There are likely thousands of infected people that we don’t know about. The current 636 confirmed cases in Australia are probably only the tip of the iceberg.
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:Mm, hadn’t thought about that. Are there any mystery cases or can they all be traced to someone?
Many. This what I understand the term “community transmission” to mean.
There are likely thousands of infected people that we don’t know about. The current 636 confirmed cases in Australia are probably only the tip of the iceberg.
the epidemiologist I posted last night thought 10 unknown carriers for each case in the states. But we must be doing better than that.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Yes. In isolation, and her immediate family and contacts can be traced and told to self-isolate for a while. It would be worse if she had just randomly caught it going about her business in a public place – which would mean there is someone unknown out there with the disease and spreading it around, possibly unsymptomatic and unaware that they are doing so.
Mm, hadn’t thought about that. Are there any mystery cases or can they all be traced to someone?
To my knowledge, there are no such unknown cause cases yet in Australia, they can all be traced to a source. It was when this started happening in Italy they knew they had a problem. Also in South Korea, although one massive cluster has since been narrowed down to one patient attending a mass church.
I have to say though, I am not sure about today or yesterday’s spike in cases, I guess it will take time to gather all that information.
party_pants said:
…one massive cluster has since been narrowed down to one patient attending a mass church.
Religion and plagues have been good friends for a long time.
So, this closing of borders, how is that going to affect freight? They going to make plane and ship crews stay onboard? Put them into quarantine for the duration of their stay?
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
…one massive cluster has since been narrowed down to one patient attending a mass church.
Religion and plagues have been good friends for a long time.
The whole thing is one massive cluster…
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:Mm, hadn’t thought about that. Are there any mystery cases or can they all be traced to someone?
To my knowledge, there are no such unknown cause cases yet in Australia, they can all be traced to a source. It was when this started happening in Italy they knew they had a problem. Also in South Korea, although one massive cluster has since been narrowed down to one patient attending a mass church.
I have to say though, I am not sure about today or yesterday’s spike in cases, I guess it will take time to gather all that information.
I have to correct that, just read that QLD are saying there is evidence of community spread in the Gold Coast.
I got an email for woolies, as a previous user I have been invited to fill in a form requesting priority assist and asking for disability number. The only difference in deliveries is that they won’t do an unpack service or accept back plastic bags. So filled that out and fingers crossed.
furious said:
So, this closing of borders, how is that going to affect freight? They going to make plane and ship crews stay onboard? Put them into quarantine for the duration of their stay?
freight is still on.
constitution and all, eh what.
AwesomeO said:
I got an email for woolies, as a previous user I have been invited to fill in a form requesting priority assist and asking for disability number. The only difference in deliveries is that they won’t do an unpack service or accept back plastic bags. So filled that out and fingers crossed.
oooo.
I hope Coles emulates.
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
party_pants said:To my knowledge, there are no such unknown cause cases yet in Australia, they can all be traced to a source. It was when this started happening in Italy they knew they had a problem. Also in South Korea, although one massive cluster has since been narrowed down to one patient attending a mass church.
I have to say though, I am not sure about today or yesterday’s spike in cases, I guess it will take time to gather all that information.
I have to correct that, just read that QLD are saying there is evidence of community spread in the Gold Coast.
I think NSW has had community transmission for a week or so.
AwesomeO said:
I got an email for woolies, as a previous user I have been invited to fill in a form requesting priority assist and asking for disability number. The only difference in deliveries is that they won’t do an unpack service or accept back plastic bags. So filled that out and fingers crossed.
Great news.
:)
furious said:
So, this closing of borders, how is that going to affect freight? They going to make plane and ship crews stay onboard? Put them into quarantine for the duration of their stay?
I would hope that freight is still on, otherwise there would be genuine shortages of stuff. Even though a large proportion of the world’s air freight is carried in the belly of normal passenger flights. I guess there would be enough capacity in the airline business to keep the freight industry going, in some cases it may be all they have to keep airlines going.
AwesomeO said:
I got an email for woolies, as a previous user I have been invited to fill in a form requesting priority assist and asking for disability number. The only difference in deliveries is that they won’t do an unpack service or accept back plastic bags. So filled that out and fingers crossed.
For, I mean from
All Deliveries will be Contactless
We have moved to a contactless delivery service with all orders delivered to your front door. Our drivers will do their best to assist senior or disabled customers. Instead of obtaining your signature for proof of delivery, we will be taking a photo of the groceries. We have made this decision in the best interest of both your and our drivers health.
Some clever thinking coming out.
AwesomeO said:
AwesomeO said:
I got an email for woolies, as a previous user I have been invited to fill in a form requesting priority assist and asking for disability number. The only difference in deliveries is that they won’t do an unpack service or accept back plastic bags. So filled that out and fingers crossed.
For, I mean from
All Deliveries will be Contactless
We have moved to a contactless delivery service with all orders delivered to your front door. Our drivers will do their best to assist senior or disabled customers. Instead of obtaining your signature for proof of delivery, we will be taking a photo of the groceries. We have made this decision in the best interest of both your and our drivers health.Some clever thinking coming out.
nods
Michael V said:
QLD has 50 new confirmed cases since yesterday.
That’s ok. Qld is the best state to be plague-ridden according the minister.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
party_pants said:I have to say though, I am not sure about today or yesterday’s spike in cases, I guess it will take time to gather all that information.
I have to correct that, just read that QLD are saying there is evidence of community spread in the Gold Coast.
I think NSW has had community transmission for a week or so.
And in WA, now.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-community-transmission-wa-as-17-new-cases/12072092
Ian said:
Michael V said:
QLD has 50 new confirmed cases since yesterday.
That’s ok. Qld is the best state to be plague-ridden according the minister.
It is not OK. Long distances to travel to get tested.
AwesomeO said:
AwesomeO said:
I got an email for woolies, as a previous user I have been invited to fill in a form requesting priority assist and asking for disability number. The only difference in deliveries is that they won’t do an unpack service or accept back plastic bags. So filled that out and fingers crossed.
For, I mean from
All Deliveries will be Contactless
We have moved to a contactless delivery service with all orders delivered to your front door. Our drivers will do their best to assist senior or disabled customers. Instead of obtaining your signature for proof of delivery, we will be taking a photo of the groceries. We have made this decision in the best interest of both your and our drivers health.Some clever thinking coming out.
want.
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:I have to correct that, just read that QLD are saying there is evidence of community spread in the Gold Coast.
I think NSW has had community transmission for a week or so.
And in WA, now.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-community-transmission-wa-as-17-new-cases/12072092
The community transmissions are not necessarily untraceable back to a source.
Last week they were issuing a list of places where people with the disease had been in the last few days, some were very specific like 9.52am train from Geelong to Melbourne or along those lines. I am guessing that authorities are obtaining and recording this information somewhere and building a spreadsheet or infection map.
Michael V said:
Ian said:
Michael V said:
QLD has 50 new confirmed cases since yesterday.
That’s ok. Qld is the best state to be plague-ridden according the minister.
It is not OK. Long distances to travel to get tested.
What an idiot.. Kweenslander I spose :)
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:I think NSW has had community transmission for a week or so.
And in WA, now.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-community-transmission-wa-as-17-new-cases/12072092
The community transmissions are not necessarily untraceable back to a source.
Last week they were issuing a list of places where people with the disease had been in the last few days, some were very specific like 9.52am train from Geelong to Melbourne or along those lines. I am guessing that authorities are obtaining and recording this information somewhere and building a spreadsheet or infection map.
The problem is, now that it is in the community they haven’t changed the script for testing I.e. have you been overseas or been in contact with someone who has. Answer No and no test for you. Even though it is now possible to get it and answer No to all their questions…
Nings!
AwesomeO said:
Instead of obtaining your signature for proof of delivery, we will be taking a photo of the groceries. We have made this decision in the best interest of both your and our drivers health.Some clever thinking coming out.
I’ve been doing that with documents for about five years. Photo of it on the desk / in the pigeonhole / in the courier’s hand.
It’s got me out of a couple of doozies along the way, too.
:-)
Just watching the local news and the case in Cairns is actually a traveller who had recently arrived in Australia from overseas.
In isolation at the Cairns Hospital.
Five new cases in SA today – four people returned from OS, and one person who’d been in contact with one of them.
Spider Lily said:
Just watching the local news and the case in Cairns is actually a traveller who had recently arrived in Australia from overseas.In isolation at the Cairns Hospital.
Are you in contact with arrivals? Via any routes you can imagine?
NSW: 307 (five deaths)
Vic: 150
Qld: 144
WA: 52 (one death)
SA: 42
Tas: 10
ACT: 4
NT: 1
Total: 710 (six)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news/12068750
Michael V said:
NSW: 307 (five deaths)
Vic: 150
Qld: 144
WA: 52 (one death)
SA: 42
Tas: 10
ACT: 4
NT: 1
Total: 710 (six)https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news/12068750
that went up a hundred a fifty while I drank my coffee.
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
NSW: 307 (five deaths)
Vic: 150
Qld: 144
WA: 52 (one death)
SA: 42
Tas: 10
ACT: 4
NT: 1
Total: 710 (six)https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news/12068750
that went up a hundred a fifty while I drank my coffee.
For every one infected person, the stats apparently show they’ll infect 3 others.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Yes. In isolation, and her immediate family and contacts can be traced and told to self-isolate for a while. It would be worse if she had just randomly caught it going about her business in a public place – which would mean there is someone unknown out there with the disease and spreading it around, possibly unsymptomatic and unaware orthat they are doing so.
Mm, hadn’t thought about that. Are there any mystery cases or can they all be traced to someone?
Many. This what I understand the term “community transmission” to mean.
I understand community transmission to simply mean local transmission, as distinct from brought it in on their body from overseas. I get the impression you can usually point the finger at a contact.
(I’m catching up. Again. Been to Hamilton to put a report about a Down Syndrome patient under the door of the optometrist. He will need the information if he is to not upset the lady. She is very used to seeing me.)
buffy said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:Mm, hadn’t thought about that. Are there any mystery cases or can they all be traced to someone?
Many. This what I understand the term “community transmission” to mean.
I understand community transmission to simply mean local transmission, as distinct from brought it in on their body from overseas. I get the impression you can usually point the finger at a contact.
(I’m catching up. Again. Been to Hamilton to put a report about a Down Syndrome patient under the door of the optometrist. He will need the information if he is to not upset the lady. She is very used to seeing me.)
Community transmission refers to not being in a hospital/healthcare setting, that is all.
what if most of this is down to one person.. like Typhid Mary… Covid Catherine…
the canals in Venice are apparently pretty clear when there’s no human traffic on them… who knew eh?
Arts said:
the canals in Venice are apparently pretty clear when there’s no human traffic on them… who knew eh?
Venice was the stinkiest place I ever went to. Dog shit everywhere. It was dire.
Michael V said:
Arts said:
the canals in Venice are apparently pretty clear when there’s no human traffic on them… who knew eh?
Venice was the stinkiest place I ever went to. Dog shit everywhere. It was dire.
Ditto. TWICE!
Michael V said:
Arts said:
the canals in Venice are apparently pretty clear when there’s no human traffic on them… who knew eh?
Venice was the stinkiest place I ever went to. Dog shit everywhere. It was dire.
well, sure, you stick a city on some canals, with almost no natural movement and only tides.
Arts said:
Michael V said:
Arts said:
the canals in Venice are apparently pretty clear when there’s no human traffic on them… who knew eh?
Venice was the stinkiest place I ever went to. Dog shit everywhere. It was dire.
well, sure, you stick a city on some canals, with almost no natural movement and only tides.
I heard there are dolphins swimming through the canals now
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Arts said:
the canals in Venice are apparently pretty clear when there’s no human traffic on them… who knew eh?
Venice was the stinkiest place I ever went to. Dog shit everywhere. It was dire.
Ditto. TWICE!
I just wandered around muttering “not more fucking gondolas”.
Divine Angel said:
Arts said:
Michael V said:Venice was the stinkiest place I ever went to. Dog shit everywhere. It was dire.
well, sure, you stick a city on some canals, with almost no natural movement and only tides.
I heard there are dolphins swimming through the canals now
and that the canals are free of toilet paper.
WA just recorded it’s biggest spike in COVID-19 since records began.
Arts said:
the canals in Venice are apparently pretty clear when there’s no human traffic on them… who knew eh?
Those gondoliers standing on gondolas digging things up, makes a mess.
DAVID ICKE – THE TRUTH BEHIND THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC: COVID-19 LOCKDOWN & THE ECONOMIC CRASH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8
I’ve been thinking about watching this.
sibeen said:
DAVID ICKE – THE TRUTH BEHIND THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC: COVID-19 LOCKDOWN & THE ECONOMIC CRASHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8
I’ve been thinking about watching this.
do it. i dare you. all of it.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
DAVID ICKE – THE TRUTH BEHIND THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC: COVID-19 LOCKDOWN & THE ECONOMIC CRASHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8
I’ve been thinking about watching this.
do it. i dare you. all of it.
Bugger, I clicked on it. Now my youtube recommendations look decidedly wooish.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
DAVID ICKE – THE TRUTH BEHIND THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC: COVID-19 LOCKDOWN & THE ECONOMIC CRASHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8
I’ve been thinking about watching this.
do it. i dare you. all of it.
Bugger, I clicked on it. Now my youtube recommendations look decidedly wooish.
haha suck eggs.
sibeen said:
DAVID ICKE – THE TRUTH BEHIND THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC: COVID-19 LOCKDOWN & THE ECONOMIC CRASHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8
I’ve been thinking about watching this.
Isn’t he the lizard alien dude?
sibeen said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:Venice was the stinkiest place I ever went to. Dog shit everywhere. It was dire.
Ditto. TWICE!
I just wandered around muttering “not more fucking gondolas”.
snigger
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
DAVID ICKE – THE TRUTH BEHIND THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC: COVID-19 LOCKDOWN & THE ECONOMIC CRASHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8
I’ve been thinking about watching this.
do it. i dare you. all of it.
Bugger, I clicked on it. Now my youtube recommendations look decidedly wooish.
Don’t watch the video just read the comments. far more entertaining.
furious said:
sibeen said:
DAVID ICKE – THE TRUTH BEHIND THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC: COVID-19 LOCKDOWN & THE ECONOMIC CRASHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8
I’ve been thinking about watching this.
Isn’t he the lizard alien dude?
yep.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
DAVID ICKE – THE TRUTH BEHIND THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC: COVID-19 LOCKDOWN & THE ECONOMIC CRASHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8
I’ve been thinking about watching this.
do it. i dare you. all of it.
Bugger, I clicked on it. Now my youtube recommendations look decidedly wooish.
LOL
sibeen said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:Venice was the stinkiest place I ever went to. Dog shit everywhere. It was dire.
Ditto. TWICE!
I just wandered around muttering “not more fucking gondolas”.
Waiting for the feature film to begin were you Beeny Boy?
Peak Warming Man said:
WA just recorded it’s biggest spike in COVID-19 since records began.
Was that the underlying rate, Mr Man, or seasonally adjusted?
Woodie said:
sibeen said:
Woodie said:Ditto. TWICE!
I just wandered around muttering “not more fucking gondolas”.
Waiting for the feature film to begin were you Beeny Boy?
I have been to Venice twice (1972 and 2012).
Neither time was it at all stinky.
I think it depends on the weather immediately prior to your visit.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Woodie said:
sibeen said:I just wandered around muttering “not more fucking gondolas”.
Waiting for the feature film to begin were you Beeny Boy?
I have been to Venice twice (1972 and 2012).
Neither time was it at all stinky.
I think it depends on the weather immediately prior to your visit.
i was there in 1980 and it didn’t smell and don’t remember dogshit. did get my bum pinched though.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Woodie said:Waiting for the feature film to begin were you Beeny Boy?
I have been to Venice twice (1972 and 2012).
Neither time was it at all stinky.
I think it depends on the weather immediately prior to your visit.
i was there in 1980 and it didn’t smell and don’t remember dogshit. did get my bum pinched though.
Serves you right for wearing a short skirt.
sibeen said:
I’ve been thinking………
Steady.
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
I’ve been thinking………
Steady.
it’s OK he isn’t trying to walk as well.
I’ve never been to Venice. The end.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
DAVID ICKE – THE TRUTH BEHIND THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC: COVID-19 LOCKDOWN & THE ECONOMIC CRASHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8
I’ve been thinking about watching this.
do it. i dare you. all of it.
Bugger, I clicked on it. Now my youtube recommendations look decidedly wooish.
Edi Woo
furious said:
I’ve never been to Venice. The end.
Never mind, you’ve been undressed by kings and you’ve seen some things that a fella ain’t meant to see.
32m ago 10:37
Michel Barnier tests positive
The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has tested positive.
furious said:
I’ve never been to Venice. The end.
Never been to me.
(I have not done Venice either. I wouldn’t mind doing a Biennale one day.)
sarahs mum said:
32m ago 10:37
Michel Barnier tests positiveThe EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has tested positive.
That’s a bit of a bummer for him. I hope he is OK.
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
I’ve been thinking………
Steady.
it’s OK he isn’t trying to walk as well.
LOLOLOLOL
sarahs mum said:
32m ago 10:37
Michel Barnier tests positiveThe EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has tested positive.
It doesn’t discriminate…
Day 1 on Lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TC38KlmnSo
dv said:
Day 1 on Lockdownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TC38KlmnSo
Are you back?
dv said:
Day 1 on Lockdownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TC38KlmnSo
Did you get back this evening?
Michael V said:
dv said:
Day 1 on Lockdownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TC38KlmnSo
Are you back?
yes
sibeen said:
dv said:
Day 1 on Lockdownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TC38KlmnSo
Did you get back this evening?
Aye
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Day 1 on Lockdownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TC38KlmnSo
Are you back?
yes
Let’s hope it’s fun, not dreary.
dv said:
Day 1 on Lockdownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TC38KlmnSo
wait, is it day one if you only just got there? surely tomorrow is day one.. this is day zero.
Arts said:
dv said:
Day 1 on Lockdownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TC38KlmnSo
wait, is it day one if you only just got there? surely tomorrow is day one.. this is day zero.
Ah, semantics. Gotta love semantics.
Arts said:
dv said:
Day 1 on Lockdownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TC38KlmnSo
wait, is it day one if you only just got there? surely tomorrow is day one.. this is day zero.
(rubs temples)
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:
Day 1 on Lockdownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TC38KlmnSo
wait, is it day one if you only just got there? surely tomorrow is day one.. this is day zero.
(rubs temples)
Shirley, you’re joking.
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:
Day 1 on Lockdownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TC38KlmnSo
wait, is it day one if you only just got there? surely tomorrow is day one.. this is day zero.
(rubs temples)
oh, honey, you have fourteen days of this.
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:wait, is it day one if you only just got there? surely tomorrow is day one.. this is day zero.
(rubs temples)
oh, honey, you have fourteen days of this.
shoulda just gone back to Singapore, apparently they’re the model site for control without closure
A protection, at last!
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/mar/19/elon-musk-coronavirus-tesla-factory-california
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/mar/19/elon-musk-coronavirus-tesla-factory-california
Elon says it’s nothing to worry about?
Damn. It must be worse than I thought.
“Coronavirus fatalities rise in Australia after 81yo woman dies in Sydney.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-death-toll-rises-in-australia/12071910
Even less people on the train this morning about half full
ABC News:
‘Canberra’s $137m coronavirus stimulus package will offer cash payments, tax waivers and arts funding’
I wonder how many millions she’ll get?
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Canberra’s $137m coronavirus stimulus package will offer cash payments, tax waivers and arts funding’
I wonder how many millions she’ll get?
Couple of million at least I reckon, she can do a musical about it
The Chaser:
‘Experts say that as the weekend approaches, people will start panic buying at bottle shops. “Just wait until the only beer available is Toohey’s Red. That’s when the real panic will kick in.”
One doctor The Chaser spoke to said that drinking alcohol was fine in moderation. And even better in excess.’
Michael V said:
“Coronavirus fatalities rise in Australia after 81yo woman dies in Sydney.”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-death-toll-rises-in-australia/12071910
surely to be descriptive and not predictive, fatalities rise AS someone dies,
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
“Coronavirus fatalities rise in Australia after 81yo woman dies in Sydney.”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-death-toll-rises-in-australia/12071910
surely to be descriptive and not predictive, fatalities rise AS someone dies,
First, you have to be sure they’re dead. Only then can you add them to the total.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
“Coronavirus fatalities rise in Australia after 81yo woman dies in Sydney.”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-death-toll-rises-in-australia/12071910
surely to be descriptive and not predictive, fatalities rise AS someone dies,
First, you have to be sure they’re dead. Only then can you add them to the total.
ah, Official Fatalities, fair point
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
“Coronavirus fatalities rise in Australia after 81yo woman dies in Sydney.”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-death-toll-rises-in-australia/12071910
surely to be descriptive and not predictive, fatalities rise AS someone dies,
First, you have to be sure they’re dead. Only then can you add them to the total.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:surely to be descriptive and not predictive, fatalities rise AS someone dies,
First, you have to be sure they’re dead. Only then can you add them to the total.
ah, Official Fatalities, fair point
Yeah, it’s embarrassing when you have to ring up and say ‘you know how i said you should add 1 to the total? Well…’
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:surely to be descriptive and not predictive, fatalities rise AS someone dies,
First, you have to be sure they’re dead. Only then can you add them to the total.
It’s pretty certain after the cremation.
Yes, you can replace the pencilled figure with biro at that point.
ABC News:
‘Six-month loan repayment deferrals for small businesses amid coronavirus crisis.
The Australian Banking Association says all small businesses hit by the coronavirus pandemic will be able to access a six-month deferral of all loan repayments.’
Mortgage payments by the peasantry will, however, be required as per usual.
I was watching SBS news last night and Trump was asked by a journalist why he kept referring to it as the Chinese virus as it’s antagonistic and racist
He said as it came from China which is true but it being Trump is was to likely shit stir
Cymek said:
I was watching SBS news last night and Trump was asked by a journalist why he kept referring to it as the Chinese virus as it’s antagonistic and racist
He said as it came from China which is true but it being Trump is was to likely shit stir
Should we start calling AIDS ‘the American disease’ then?
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
I was watching SBS news last night and Trump was asked by a journalist why he kept referring to it as the Chinese virus as it’s antagonistic and racist
He said as it came from China which is true but it being Trump is was to likely shit stir
Should we start calling AIDS ‘the American disease’ then?
That’s the sort of thing I was thinking about, you could assign blame to anyone if you really want and it serves no purpose except to cause trouble
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
I was watching SBS news last night and Trump was asked by a journalist why he kept referring to it as the Chinese virus as it’s antagonistic and racist
He said as it came from China which is true but it being Trump is was to likely shit stir
Should we start calling AIDS ‘the American disease’ then?
That’s the sort of thing I was thinking about, you could assign blame to anyone if you really want and it serves no purpose except to cause trouble
well people do give names to things and if it actually started in Wuhan then it seems reasonable to report it as COVID (Wuhan 2019) or similar, so why not?
Consider the following
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/immunisation/Pages/flu.aspx
Quadrivalent influenza vaccines:
are there place names in there? What’s the big deal?
(Note they don’t call them “Kweenzlander virus”, “SAlien virus”, “Washingtonian virus” or “Phuk virus”, so yes, there is appropriate designation and inappropriate designation but (1) agree no need for shit stirring and (2) agree more tolerance.)
SCIENCE said:
(Note they don’t call them “Kweenzlander virus”, “SAlien virus”, “Washingtonian virus” or “Phuk virus”, so yes, there is appropriate designation and inappropriate designation but (1) agree no need for shit stirring and (2) agree more tolerance.)
The Brisbane virus could have had the very appropriate nickname of ‘Moreton Bay Bug’.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2018-2019.htm
recommended to contain:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:(Note they don’t call them “Kweenzlander virus”, “SAlien virus”, “Washingtonian virus” or “Phuk virus”, so yes, there is appropriate designation and inappropriate designation but (1) agree no need for shit stirring and (2) agree more tolerance.)
The Brisbane virus could have had the very appropriate nickname of ‘Moreton Bay Bug’.
LOLs
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
I was watching SBS news last night and Trump was asked by a journalist why he kept referring to it as the Chinese virus as it’s antagonistic and racist
He said as it came from China which is true but it being Trump is was to likely shit stir
Should we start calling AIDS ‘the American disease’ then?
That’s the sort of thing I was thinking about, you could assign blame to anyone if you really want and it serves no purpose except to cause trouble
I’m sure Trump already refers to it as ‘The African Buggers disease’
Italian Deaths have outnumbers Chinese
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
also some new African red dots…
Arts said:
Italian Deaths have outnumbers Chinesehttps://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
and for half the case numbers too
so are China hiding the actual deaths count
or WTF is going on otherwise
Are the proportions of elderly different in Italy from Wuhan?
buffy said:
Are the proportions of elderly different in Italy from Wuhan?
There are more elderly people in Italy than China, proportionally, but it’s comparable to say Germany. Germany have had about half as many cases as Italy, but have only had 44 deaths.
buffy said:
Are the proportions of elderly different in Italy from Wuhan?
yes, at least for example the https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/resources/the-world-factbook/fields/343rank.html gives median ages of
Italy 46.5
China 38.4
(both of which will probably fall now)
but whether that is enough to account for effectively double the death rate, we couldn’t say
dv said:
buffy said:
Are the proportions of elderly different in Italy from Wuhan?There are more elderly people in Italy than China, proportionally, but it’s comparable to say Germany. Germany have had about half as many cases as Italy, but have only had 44 deaths.
Germany 47.8
buffy said:
Are the proportions of elderly different in Italy from Wuhan?
they probably fatter in Italy.
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:
Italian Deaths have outnumbers Chinesehttps://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
and for half the case numbers too
so are China hiding the actual deaths count
or WTF is going on otherwise
Could they have actually stopped it I wonder
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:
Italian Deaths have outnumbers Chinesehttps://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
and for half the case numbers too
so are China hiding the actual deaths count
or WTF is going on otherwise
Could they have actually stopped it I wonder
well depending on who you believe, China have stopped it
SCIENCE said:
so are China hiding the actual deaths count
or WTF is going on otherwise
I suppose it’s possible. Face saving??
Looking at that map, wonder if the country that doesn’t end up with a red dot wins a prize…
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:so are China hiding the actual deaths count
or WTF is going on otherwise
I suppose it’s possible. Face saving??
we’ll probably never know
also if you “fatten the curve” enough, nobody will be able to distinguish the added mortality from your usual seasonal ‘flu’ right
Arts said:
Looking at that map, wonder if the country that doesn’t end up with a red dot wins a prize…
the smaller your dot, the bigger you get hit the next time
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:so are China hiding the actual deaths count
or WTF is going on otherwise
I suppose it’s possible. Face saving??
WHO was called in to China within a few days of the recognition of a cluster of similar odd pneumonia cases.
I doubt they have been fiddling the books.
This Week in Virology
· 2 hrs ·
Hydroxychloroquine reduces viral load in #COVID-19 patients
Chloroquine (and a derivative, hydroxychloroquine) has been used for years in the treatment of malaria. The drug is also known to block the entry of many viruses into cells. A small clinical trial has revealed it to be effective in reducing viral loads in COVID-19 patients.
Entry of enveloped viruses into cells requires fusion of viral and cell membranes to allow release of the viral genome into the cytoplasm. In many cases, after virus particles bind to cell surface receptors, they are taken into cells via the endocytic pathway. As these vesicles move toward the nucleus, their pH drops, which catalyzes fusion of viral and cell membranes. When cells are treated with chloroquine the pH of the endosome is elevated, which prevents fusion and blocks viral infection. The reproduction of many viruses is known to be inhibited by chloroquine.
Reproduction of SARS-CoV-1 in cell culture was shown to be blocked by chloroquine in 2005, by which time there were no human infections. Recently reproduction of the newly emerged SARS-CoV-2 in cells was found to be inhibited by chloroquine. As a consequence, a derivative of the drug, hydroxychloroquine (a less toxic derivative) has been tested in patients with COVID-19.
The results of a clinical study conducted in Marseille, France to evaluate efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in treatment of COVID-19 were released on 18 March 2020. Patients included in the study were all over 12 years old and had laboratory-confirmed infection with SARS-CoV-2. They received 600 mg daily of hydroxychloroquine for ten days. Viral loads in nasopharyngeal wash were measured daily.
At the onset of treatment, the patients fell into three groups based on clinical presentation: asymptomatic, and upper or lower respiratory tract infections. Some patients were also administered azithromycin to prevent bacterial superinfection.
Upon study completion, twenty patients had received treatment and 16 were untreated controls. By day 6 of the study, 70% of treated patients no longer harbored virus as determined by RT-PCR, compared with 12.5% of controls. The combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin was more effective at clearing virus than hydroxychloroquine alone.
The authors write that “For ethical reasons and because our first results are so significant and evident we decide to share our findings with the medical community, given the urgent need for an effective drug against SARS-CoV-2 in the current pandemic context.”
Given the efficacy of treatment even in this small clinical trial, it seems likely that hydroxychloroquine will be widely used in the treatment of COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2. Whether azithromycin should be included remains to be determine. Either way the use of hydroxychloroquine, a widely available and inexpensive drug, is a welcome advance in the treatment of COVID-19.
In 2015, Brian M. Davis, Howard Markel, Alex Navarro, Eden Wells, Arnold S. Monto, and Allison E. Aiello said:
A growing number influenza outbreak studies suggest that, although proactive school closures may help slow the course of a pandemic, reactive or short-term closure show little to no effect on influenza-like illness, or reduce illness only in school-aged populations.
So there we go, maybe an admission that closing schools will achieve not much, is admitting that we have failed to prevent this crisis already.
sarahs mum said:
This Week in Virology
· 2 hrs ·Hydroxychloroquine reduces viral load in #COVID-19 patients
Chloroquine (and a derivative, hydroxychloroquine) has been used for years in the treatment of malaria. The drug is also known to block the entry of many viruses into cells. A small clinical trial has revealed it to be effective in reducing viral loads in COVID-19 patients.
Entry of enveloped viruses into cells requires fusion of viral and cell membranes to allow release of the viral genome into the cytoplasm. In many cases, after virus particles bind to cell surface receptors, they are taken into cells via the endocytic pathway. As these vesicles move toward the nucleus, their pH drops, which catalyzes fusion of viral and cell membranes. When cells are treated with chloroquine the pH of the endosome is elevated, which prevents fusion and blocks viral infection. The reproduction of many viruses is known to be inhibited by chloroquine.
Reproduction of SARS-CoV-1 in cell culture was shown to be blocked by chloroquine in 2005, by which time there were no human infections. Recently reproduction of the newly emerged SARS-CoV-2 in cells was found to be inhibited by chloroquine. As a consequence, a derivative of the drug, hydroxychloroquine (a less toxic derivative) has been tested in patients with COVID-19.
The results of a clinical study conducted in Marseille, France to evaluate efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in treatment of COVID-19 were released on 18 March 2020. Patients included in the study were all over 12 years old and had laboratory-confirmed infection with SARS-CoV-2. They received 600 mg daily of hydroxychloroquine for ten days. Viral loads in nasopharyngeal wash were measured daily.
At the onset of treatment, the patients fell into three groups based on clinical presentation: asymptomatic, and upper or lower respiratory tract infections. Some patients were also administered azithromycin to prevent bacterial superinfection.
Upon study completion, twenty patients had received treatment and 16 were untreated controls. By day 6 of the study, 70% of treated patients no longer harbored virus as determined by RT-PCR, compared with 12.5% of controls. The combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin was more effective at clearing virus than hydroxychloroquine alone.
The authors write that “For ethical reasons and because our first results are so significant and evident we decide to share our findings with the medical community, given the urgent need for an effective drug against SARS-CoV-2 in the current pandemic context.”
Given the efficacy of treatment even in this small clinical trial, it seems likely that hydroxychloroquine will be widely used in the treatment of COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2. Whether azithromycin should be included remains to be determine. Either way the use of hydroxychloroquine, a widely available and inexpensive drug, is a welcome advance in the treatment of COVID-19.
Looks promising.
Peak Warming Man said:
sarahs mum said:
This Week in Virology
· 2 hrs ·Hydroxychloroquine reduces viral load in #COVID-19 patients
Chloroquine (and a derivative, hydroxychloroquine) has been used for years in the treatment of malaria. The drug is also known to block the entry of many viruses into cells. A small clinical trial has revealed it to be effective in reducing viral loads in COVID-19 patients.
Entry of enveloped viruses into cells requires fusion of viral and cell membranes to allow release of the viral genome into the cytoplasm. In many cases, after virus particles bind to cell surface receptors, they are taken into cells via the endocytic pathway. As these vesicles move toward the nucleus, their pH drops, which catalyzes fusion of viral and cell membranes. When cells are treated with chloroquine the pH of the endosome is elevated, which prevents fusion and blocks viral infection. The reproduction of many viruses is known to be inhibited by chloroquine.
Reproduction of SARS-CoV-1 in cell culture was shown to be blocked by chloroquine in 2005, by which time there were no human infections. Recently reproduction of the newly emerged SARS-CoV-2 in cells was found to be inhibited by chloroquine. As a consequence, a derivative of the drug, hydroxychloroquine (a less toxic derivative) has been tested in patients with COVID-19.
The results of a clinical study conducted in Marseille, France to evaluate efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in treatment of COVID-19 were released on 18 March 2020. Patients included in the study were all over 12 years old and had laboratory-confirmed infection with SARS-CoV-2. They received 600 mg daily of hydroxychloroquine for ten days. Viral loads in nasopharyngeal wash were measured daily.
At the onset of treatment, the patients fell into three groups based on clinical presentation: asymptomatic, and upper or lower respiratory tract infections. Some patients were also administered azithromycin to prevent bacterial superinfection.
Upon study completion, twenty patients had received treatment and 16 were untreated controls. By day 6 of the study, 70% of treated patients no longer harbored virus as determined by RT-PCR, compared with 12.5% of controls. The combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin was more effective at clearing virus than hydroxychloroquine alone.
The authors write that “For ethical reasons and because our first results are so significant and evident we decide to share our findings with the medical community, given the urgent need for an effective drug against SARS-CoV-2 in the current pandemic context.”
Given the efficacy of treatment even in this small clinical trial, it seems likely that hydroxychloroquine will be widely used in the treatment of COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2. Whether azithromycin should be included remains to be determine. Either way the use of hydroxychloroquine, a widely available and inexpensive drug, is a welcome advance in the treatment of COVID-19.
Looks promising.
I’ll head down to all the chemists and buy it all up., just in case.
sarahs mum said:
This Week in Virology
· 2 hrs ·Hydroxychloroquine reduces viral load in #COVID-19 patients
Chloroquine (and a derivative, hydroxychloroquine) has been used for years in the treatment of malaria. The drug is also known to block the entry of many viruses into cells. A small clinical trial has revealed it to be effective in reducing viral loads in COVID-19 patients.
Entry of enveloped viruses into cells requires fusion of viral and cell membranes to allow release of the viral genome into the cytoplasm. In many cases, after virus particles bind to cell surface receptors, they are taken into cells via the endocytic pathway. As these vesicles move toward the nucleus, their pH drops, which catalyzes fusion of viral and cell membranes. When cells are treated with chloroquine the pH of the endosome is elevated, which prevents fusion and blocks viral infection. The reproduction of many viruses is known to be inhibited by chloroquine.
Reproduction of SARS-CoV-1 in cell culture was shown to be blocked by chloroquine in 2005, by which time there were no human infections. Recently reproduction of the newly emerged SARS-CoV-2 in cells was found to be inhibited by chloroquine. As a consequence, a derivative of the drug, hydroxychloroquine (a less toxic derivative) has been tested in patients with COVID-19.
The results of a clinical study conducted in Marseille, France to evaluate efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in treatment of COVID-19 were released on 18 March 2020. Patients included in the study were all over 12 years old and had laboratory-confirmed infection with SARS-CoV-2. They received 600 mg daily of hydroxychloroquine for ten days. Viral loads in nasopharyngeal wash were measured daily.
At the onset of treatment, the patients fell into three groups based on clinical presentation: asymptomatic, and upper or lower respiratory tract infections. Some patients were also administered azithromycin to prevent bacterial superinfection.
Upon study completion, twenty patients had received treatment and 16 were untreated controls. By day 6 of the study, 70% of treated patients no longer harbored virus as determined by RT-PCR, compared with 12.5% of controls. The combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin was more effective at clearing virus than hydroxychloroquine alone.
The authors write that “For ethical reasons and because our first results are so significant and evident we decide to share our findings with the medical community, given the urgent need for an effective drug against SARS-CoV-2 in the current pandemic context.”
Given the efficacy of treatment even in this small clinical trial, it seems likely that hydroxychloroquine will be widely used in the treatment of COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2. Whether azithromycin should be included remains to be determine. Either way the use of hydroxychloroquine, a widely available and inexpensive drug, is a welcome advance in the treatment of COVID-19.
Interesting, ta.
Cymek said:
Could they have actually stopped it I wonder
As i’ve said before, if Chinese officials weren’t obsessed with bum-coverage and not looking bad to the Party, then they might have listened to doctors who tried to warn them in the early stages, instead of labelling them ‘impertinent’, accusing them of ‘spreading false rumours’ and threatening that they would ‘face justice’.
Things might have been a bit different. Maybe not a lot, but a bit.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Could they have actually stopped it I wonder
As i’ve said before, if Chinese officials weren’t obsessed with bum-coverage and not looking bad to the Party, then they might have listened to doctors who tried to warn them in the early stages, instead of labelling them ‘impertinent’, accusing them of ‘spreading false rumours’ and threatening that they would ‘face justice’.
Things might have been a bit different. Maybe not a lot, but a bit.
Does anyone care anyway except themselves, if you are still concerned about looking good then your nation is in the shitter
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Could they have actually stopped it I wonder
As i’ve said before, if Chinese officials weren’t obsessed with bum-coverage and not looking bad to the Party, then they might have listened to doctors who tried to warn them in the early stages, instead of labelling them ‘impertinent’, accusing them of ‘spreading false rumours’ and threatening that they would ‘face justice’.
Things might have been a bit different. Maybe not a lot, but a bit.
Those “false rumour” doctors did that after WHO became involved.
We do the same in Australia – muzzle Public Servants, and reprimand them if they have the temerity to speak out.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Could they have actually stopped it I wonder
As i’ve said before, if Chinese officials weren’t obsessed with bum-coverage and not looking bad to the Party, then they might have listened to doctors who tried to warn them in the early stages, instead of labelling them ‘impertinent’, accusing them of ‘spreading false rumours’ and threatening that they would ‘face justice’.
Things might have been a bit different. Maybe not a lot, but a bit.
Those “false rumour” doctors did that after WHO became involved.
We do the same in Australia – muzzle Public Servants, and reprimand them if they have the temerity to speak out.
You’d most likely be in more trouble than the people you are dobbing in
Our flying monkey has done a food drop and we are pretty much set for the remainder, but it is weird some of the things that she reported as unavailable at Colesworths: rice, eggs, mince, fresh chicken.
Arts said:
Looking at that map, wonder if the country that doesn’t end up with a red dot wins a prize…
Probably a country with limited modes of contact. Nauru might be good.
Michael V said:
Those “false rumour” doctors did that after WHO became involved.
We do the same in Australia – muzzle Public Servants, and reprimand them if they have the temerity to speak out.
I’m happy to be corrected, but i find no reports of WHO teams arriving in China any earlier than Feb 11, and some of those reports describe it as an ‘advance’ team from WHO.
And yes, we do the same here. The difference is, it’s not the lower level functionaries (public servants) who try to hush things up to save their own faces – it’s the people at the top (and the top people in China do it, too).
“I was watching SBS news last night and Trump was asked by a journalist why he kept referring to it as the Chinese virus as it’s antagonistic and racist”
Wait, why did the journalist answer his own question?
Where are all the profiteers?
Disasters bring the profiteers out in droves, eg. after Fukushima there were lots of cheap Geiger counters for sale everywhere.
Not a single sign of profiteering this time. Lots of opportunities for opportunism.
I went looking for an oral thermometer. Looked in seven shops and not a single one for sale.
Mrs m convinced herself she has coronavirus, got onto the doctors website that said no testing without fever and travel from overseas.
No thermometers to check for fever, our old one turned out to be busted.
Bought cloth to make myself a bandana, for wearing instead of the awfully designed facemasks. Facemasks that assume that you don’t have either a prominent nose or glasses. Bought stretch fabric to stretch over nose.
Not satire
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-19-20-intl-hnk/h_21c623966aa148dbeed242de4e94943e?fbclid=IwAR1BF4lKkpLcFWl0gtsUCINu10CY1mnoQ10FjhEE-1LADWDJn1xV9zwOZbg
Photo shows “corona” crossed out and replaced with “Chinese” in Trump’s briefing notes
Holy shit, look at that font. You could read that from the Moon.
dv said:
“I was watching SBS news last night and Trump was asked by a journalist why he kept referring to it as the Chinese virus as it’s antagonistic and racist”Wait, why did the journalist answer his own question?
It was his/her only hope of getting a coherent response?
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
“I was watching SBS news last night and Trump was asked by a journalist why he kept referring to it as the Chinese virus as it’s antagonistic and racist”Wait, why did the journalist answer his own question?
It was his/her only hope of getting a coherent response?
yeah
dv said:
“I was watching SBS news last night and Trump was asked by a journalist why he kept referring to it as the Chinese virus as it’s antagonistic and racist”Wait, why did the journalist answer his own question?
She did I suppose cause Trump is a dick
mollwollfumble said:
Where are all the profiteers?Disasters bring the profiteers out in droves, eg. after Fukushima there were lots of cheap Geiger counters for sale everywhere.
Not a single sign of profiteering this time. Lots of opportunities for opportunism.
I went looking for an oral thermometer. Looked in seven shops and not a single one for sale.
Mrs m convinced herself she has coronavirus, got onto the doctors website that said no testing without fever and travel from overseas.
No thermometers to check for fever, our old one turned out to be busted.
Bought cloth to make myself a bandana, for wearing instead of the awfully designed facemasks. Facemasks that assume that you don’t have either a prominent nose or glasses. Bought stretch fabric to stretch over nose.
They’ve been shut down as most do it on some website that cottons on and bans them
dv said:
Not satirehttps://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-19-20-intl-hnk/h_21c623966aa148dbeed242de4e94943e?fbclid=IwAR1BF4lKkpLcFWl0gtsUCINu10CY1mnoQ10FjhEE-1LADWDJn1xV9zwOZbg
Photo shows “corona” crossed out and replaced with “Chinese” in Trump’s briefing notes
!https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/e791a32c-3698-427b-b415-9a3b512251fc.
Holy shit, look at that font. You could read that from the Moon.
He’s an idiot.
What else are you and boris gunna do while in confinement?
Ian said:
dv said:
Not satirehttps://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-19-20-intl-hnk/h_21c623966aa148dbeed242de4e94943e?fbclid=IwAR1BF4lKkpLcFWl0gtsUCINu10CY1mnoQ10FjhEE-1LADWDJn1xV9zwOZbg
Photo shows “corona” crossed out and replaced with “Chinese” in Trump’s briefing notes
!https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/e791a32c-3698-427b-b415-9a3b512251fc.
Holy shit, look at that font. You could read that from the Moon.
He’s an idiot.
What else are you and boris gunna do while in confinement?
go nuts
mollwollfumble said:
Where are all the profiteers?Disasters bring the profiteers out in droves, eg. after Fukushima there were lots of cheap Geiger counters for sale everywhere.
Not a single sign of profiteering this time. Lots of opportunities for opportunism.
I went looking for an oral thermometer. Looked in seven shops and not a single one for sale.
Mrs m convinced herself she has coronavirus, got onto the doctors website that said no testing without fever and travel from overseas.
No thermometers to check for fever, our old one turned out to be busted.
Bought cloth to make myself a bandana, for wearing instead of the awfully designed facemasks. Facemasks that assume that you don’t have either a prominent nose or glasses. Bought stretch fabric to stretch over nose.
There was this in land of brave and home of the rip-off merchant..
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/15/man_who_hoarded_18000_bottles_of_hand_sanitizer_to_resell_im_not_sorry.html
dv said:
Not satire
but shopped
4m ago 03:02
There’s anger in the US at Republican politicians who sold stocks after receiving classified briefings about the deteriorating public health situation despite giving public assurances that everything was under control.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
✔
@AOC
It is stomach-churning that the first thoughts these Senators had to a dire & classified #COVID briefing was how to profit off this crisis.
They didn’t mobilize to help families, or prep response. They dumped stock.
Sen. Loeffler needs to resign, too. https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly-loeffler-dumped-millions-in-stock-after-coronavirus-briefing …
dv said:
Not satirehttps://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-19-20-intl-hnk/h_21c623966aa148dbeed242de4e94943e?fbclid=IwAR1BF4lKkpLcFWl0gtsUCINu10CY1mnoQ10FjhEE-1LADWDJn1xV9zwOZbg
Photo shows “corona” crossed out and replaced with “Chinese” in Trump’s briefing notes
Holy shit, look at that font. You could read that from the Moon.
Trump = dangerous arseclown.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Not satire
but shopped
no
dv said:
Arts said:
Looking at that map, wonder if the country that doesn’t end up with a red dot wins a prize…
Probably a country with limited modes of contact. Nauru might be good.
oh, more localised, that tribe that doesn’t like outsiders may be safe…
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Not satire
but shopped
no
how would we know
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:
Looking at that map, wonder if the country that doesn’t end up with a red dot wins a prize…
Probably a country with limited modes of contact. Nauru might be good.
oh, more localised, that tribe that doesn’t like outsiders may be safe…
heh
sarahs mum said:
4m ago 03:02There’s anger in the US at Republican politicians who sold stocks after receiving classified briefings about the deteriorating public health situation despite giving public assurances that everything was under control.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
✔
@AOCIt is stomach-churning that the first thoughts these Senators had to a dire & classified #COVID briefing was how to profit off this crisis.
They didn’t mobilize to help families, or prep response. They dumped stock.
Sen. Loeffler needs to resign, too. https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly-loeffler-dumped-millions-in-stock-after-coronavirus-briefing …
that’s not profit, that’s cutting losses, it doesn’t say they bought
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:but shopped
no
how would we know
He signs all his documents with half a page. I think he pretends he doesn’t need glasses and his nappies changed.
mollwollfumble said:
Where are all the profiteers?Disasters bring the profiteers out in droves, eg. after Fukushima there were lots of cheap Geiger counters for sale everywhere.
Not a single sign of profiteering this time. Lots of opportunities for opportunism.
I went looking for an oral thermometer. Looked in seven shops and not a single one for sale.
Mrs m convinced herself she has coronavirus, got onto the doctors website that said no testing without fever and travel from overseas.
No thermometers to check for fever, our old one turned out to be busted.
Bought cloth to make myself a bandana, for wearing instead of the awfully designed facemasks. Facemasks that assume that you don’t have either a prominent nose or glasses. Bought stretch fabric to stretch over nose.
surely stretching cloth will only widen space between threads compromising the barrier?
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:4m ago 03:02There’s anger in the US at Republican politicians who sold stocks after receiving classified briefings about the deteriorating public health situation despite giving public assurances that everything was under control.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
✔
@AOCIt is stomach-churning that the first thoughts these Senators had to a dire & classified #COVID briefing was how to profit off this crisis.
They didn’t mobilize to help families, or prep response. They dumped stock.
Sen. Loeffler needs to resign, too. https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly-loeffler-dumped-millions-in-stock-after-coronavirus-briefing …
that’s not profit, that’s cutting losses, it doesn’t say they bought
Same same.
The issue is that this was classified information, which for politicians is similar to insider trading, no?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:no
how would we know
He signs all his documents with half a page. I think he pretends he doesn’t need glasses and his nappies changed.
I wonder if his minders have to stop him poking dangerous things
AMP sent me a nice letter about this struggle we are all going through.. Part of which contained this.
Insurance cover
I would also like to reassure clients with AMP life insurance policies that you are protected under your policy in the case of a claim relating to COVID-19. Coverage applies 24 hours a day worldwide – regardless of travel warnings – as long as the usual terms and conditions of your policy are met.
dv said:
smooth..
roughbarked said:
AMP sent me a nice letter about this struggle we are all going through.. Part of which contained this.Insurance cover
I would also like to reassure clients with AMP life insurance policies that you are protected under your policy in the case of a claim relating to COVID-19. Coverage applies 24 hours a day worldwide – regardless of travel warnings – as long as the usual terms and conditions of your policy are met.
Who are those people, and what have they done with the real AMP?
Some sizzle from the ABC, of course.
—
ABC said:
More than 2,000 passengers who disembarked from the Ruby Princess cruise ship in Sydney on Thursday are being urged to self-isolate immediately, after several people tested positive for COVID-19.
This is going to be fkn huge…
—
ABC said:
NAPLAN exams cancelled due to coronavirus disruptions, but schools to stay open
ABC said:
“They can be assured that we are acting on the very best medical advice.”
LOL
—
ABC said:
California governor orders entire state into lockdown amid predictions 25 million residents will contract coronavirus
it only takes 25 million
wait, we have that many here in .au
—
ABC said:
A year eight student at Adelaide’s Unley High School has tested positive for COVID-19.The school reopened its doors this morning, after closing for cleaning once the staff member’s infection was confirmed.
“It wasn’t the case that children were infecting each other at school. It was much more the case they were getting the infection in their own families.”
maybe they should be Saving The Children by taking them away from those Dirty Families in our Great Time Of
Budget postponed until October.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
AMP sent me a nice letter about this struggle we are all going through.. Part of which contained this.Insurance cover
I would also like to reassure clients with AMP life insurance policies that you are protected under your policy in the case of a claim relating to COVID-19. Coverage applies 24 hours a day worldwide – regardless of travel warnings – as long as the usual terms and conditions of your policy are met.
Who are those people, and what have they done with the real AMP?
:) made me wonder as well.
Speedy said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:4m ago 03:02There’s anger in the US at Republican politicians who sold stocks after receiving classified briefings about the deteriorating public health situation despite giving public assurances that everything was under control.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
✔
@AOCIt is stomach-churning that the first thoughts these Senators had to a dire & classified #COVID briefing was how to profit off this crisis.
They didn’t mobilize to help families, or prep response. They dumped stock.
Sen. Loeffler needs to resign, too. https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly-loeffler-dumped-millions-in-stock-after-coronavirus-briefing …
that’s not profit, that’s cutting losses, it doesn’t say they bought
Same same.
The issue is that this was classified information, which for politicians is similar to insider trading, no?
It IS insider trading.
SCIENCE said:
Some sizzle from the ABC, of course.-
ABC said:
NAPLAN exams cancelled due to coronavirus disruptions,
oh, well some good has come out of this…
Speedy said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:4m ago 03:02There’s anger in the US at Republican politicians who sold stocks after receiving classified briefings about the deteriorating public health situation despite giving public assurances that everything was under control.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
✔
@AOCIt is stomach-churning that the first thoughts these Senators had to a dire & classified #COVID briefing was how to profit off this crisis.
They didn’t mobilize to help families, or prep response. They dumped stock.
Sen. Loeffler needs to resign, too. https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly-loeffler-dumped-millions-in-stock-after-coronavirus-briefing …
that’s not profit, that’s cutting losses, it doesn’t say they bought
Same same.
The issue is that this was classified information, which for politicians is similar to insider trading, no?
on the scale of the rest of the corruption going on, what is this really
sarahs mum said:
Budget postponed until October.
and election until next millennium
SCIENCE said:
Speedy said:
SCIENCE said:that’s not profit, that’s cutting losses, it doesn’t say they bought
Same same.
The issue is that this was classified information, which for politicians is similar to insider trading, no?
on the scale of the rest of the corruption going on, what is this really
more corruption.
dv said:
pffft. we’ve got beer.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
AMP sent me a nice letter about this struggle we are all going through.. Part of which contained this.Insurance cover
I would also like to reassure clients with AMP life insurance policies that you are protected under your policy in the case of a claim relating to COVID-19. Coverage applies 24 hours a day worldwide – regardless of travel warnings – as long as the usual terms and conditions of your policy are met.
Who are those people, and what have they done with the real AMP?
maybe their marketing team is forward thinking.. “We are the ONLY insurance company to not run out on you during Covid… join ussssssssssssss”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-news-quiz-australia-friday-march-20/12070432
6/10 for me
Speedy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-news-quiz-australia-friday-march-20/120704326/10 for me
I simply can’t be bothered.
Speedy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-news-quiz-australia-friday-march-20/120704326/10 for me
It doesn’t work in IE so I haven’t done it but it would probably be OK in Edge.
It’s got to the stage where I’m going to have to have an amicable divorce from IE, it’s not supported by Microsoft anymore.
captain_spalding said:
Speedy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-news-quiz-australia-friday-march-20/120704326/10 for me
I simply can’t be bothered.
Peak Warming Man said:
Speedy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-news-quiz-australia-friday-march-20/120704326/10 for me
It doesn’t work in IE so I haven’t done it but it would probably be OK in Edge.
It’s got to the stage where I’m going to have to have an amicable divorce from IE, it’s not supported by Microsoft anymore.
Peak Warming Man said:
Speedy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-news-quiz-australia-friday-march-20/120704326/10 for me
It doesn’t work in IE so I haven’t done it but it would probably be OK in Edge.
It’s got to the stage where I’m going to have to have an amicable divorce from IE, it’s not supported by Microsoft anymore.
Fair enough, after all it’s 2016 so everyone has already given up on IE
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-case-numbers-linked-to-nsw-south-coast-wedding-rises/12074280
This is a lot of people from one event.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Speedy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-news-quiz-australia-friday-march-20/120704326/10 for me
It doesn’t work in IE so I haven’t done it but it would probably be OK in Edge.
It’s got to the stage where I’m going to have to have an amicable divorce from IE, it’s not supported by Microsoft anymore.
I use Firefox.
6/10 here too, mostly guesses
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Speedy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-news-quiz-australia-friday-march-20/120704326/10 for me
It doesn’t work in IE so I haven’t done it but it would probably be OK in Edge.
It’s got to the stage where I’m going to have to have an amicable divorce from IE, it’s not supported by Microsoft anymore.
Fair enough, after all it’s 2016 so everyone has already given up on IE
Where the hell is Netscape on that graph.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:It doesn’t work in IE so I haven’t done it but it would probably be OK in Edge.
It’s got to the stage where I’m going to have to have an amicable divorce from IE, it’s not supported by Microsoft anymore.
Fair enough, after all it’s 2016 so everyone has already given up on IE
Where the hell is Netscape on that graph.
The graph only starts in 2009, sorry
14m ago 23:50
China exonerates Li Wenliang, doctor who warned about coronavirus outbreak
China has taken the highly unusual move of exonerating a doctor who was reprimanded for warning about the coronavirus outbreak and later died of the disease.
The official China News Service late Tuesday said police in the city of Wuhan had revoked its admonishment of Dr Li Wenliang that had included a threat of arrest and issued a “solemn apology” to his family.
It said two police officers had been issued disciplinary punishments” for the original handling of the matter, without giving further details.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-case-numbers-linked-to-nsw-south-coast-wedding-rises/12074280
That’s going to be a wedding to remember.
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-case-numbers-linked-to-nsw-south-coast-wedding-rises/12074280That’s going to be a wedding to remember.
a Red Wedding
sarahs mum said:
14m ago 23:50
China exonerates Li Wenliang, doctor who warned about coronavirus outbreakChina has taken the highly unusual move of exonerating a doctor who was reprimanded for warning about the coronavirus outbreak and later died of the disease.
The official China News Service late Tuesday said police in the city of Wuhan had revoked its admonishment of Dr Li Wenliang that had included a threat of arrest and issued a “solemn apology” to his family.
It said two police officers had been issued disciplinary punishments” for the original handling of the matter, without giving further details.
Good.
Nasa’s planned new moonshot is the latest victim of the virus. The space agency has ordered the temporary closure of two rocket production facilities after an employee tested positive for the illness. It will likely delay plans to return astronauts to the moon in 2024.
I predict that Scandinavians and Finnish people will be fine with social distancing.
dv said:
I predict that Scandinavians and Finnish people will be fine with social distancing.
The ski season brings them all in. That’s how Norway got it.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/queue-at-essendon-green-grocer-1/12074990
Jaysus. That’s my go to grocer. SWMBO went up two days ago and said it wasn’t too bad.
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/queue-at-essendon-green-grocer-1/12074990Jaysus. That’s my go to grocer. SWMBO went up two days ago and said it wasn’t too bad.
you got onions?
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/queue-at-essendon-green-grocer-1/12074990Jaysus. That’s my go to grocer. SWMBO went up two days ago and said it wasn’t too bad.
I think it is time we suspend Essendon from the Federation for a while, until they start acting normally again.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
I predict that Scandinavians and Finnish people will be fine with social distancing.
The ski season brings them all in. That’s how Norway got it.
LOL
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/queue-at-essendon-green-grocer-1/12074990Jaysus. That’s my go to grocer. SWMBO went up two days ago and said it wasn’t too bad.
you got onions?
I got onions. Woolies had onions.
Woodie said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/queue-at-essendon-green-grocer-1/12074990Jaysus. That’s my go to grocer. SWMBO went up two days ago and said it wasn’t too bad.
you got onions?
I got onions. Woolies had onions.
Did they have cola?
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
ChrispenEvan said:you got onions?
I got onions. Woolies had onions.
Did they have cola?
A plenty, Mr V. and all other flavours too. No limits.
Only frozen veggies left were broad beans and broccoli.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Woodie said:I got onions. Woolies had onions.
Did they have cola?
A plenty, Mr V. and all other flavours too. No limits.
Only frozen veggies left were broad beans and broccoli.
I bought some cordial and thought I was getting some green cordial but alas I picked up sarsaparilla instead. It will last a while on the plus side.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Woodie said:I got onions. Woolies had onions.
Did they have cola?
A plenty, Mr V. and all other flavours too. No limits.
Only frozen veggies left were broad beans and broccoli.
My local Woolies has a 2 items limit for frozen veggies. All of the bigger packs were sold out, leaving only the smaller ones left. Still, I got enough to last me a week or two. They were also low on eggs. I don’t get that, eggs are perishable and go off fairly quickly. It’s not like this virus is going to kill all the chickens. What am I missing about the eggs, is there some doomsday-prepper recipe that needs lots of eggs or something?
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:Did they have cola?
A plenty, Mr V. and all other flavours too. No limits.
Only frozen veggies left were broad beans and broccoli.
My local Woolies has a 2 items limit for frozen veggies. All of the bigger packs were sold out, leaving only the smaller ones left. Still, I got enough to last me a week or two. They were also low on eggs. I don’t get that, eggs are perishable and go off fairly quickly. It’s not like this virus is going to kill all the chickens. What am I missing about the eggs, is there some doomsday-prepper recipe that needs lots of eggs or something?
Versatile food can be used to makes egg dishes , cakes , pastries , bread , quiches or just boiled cheap but good food choice.
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:Did they have cola?
A plenty, Mr V. and all other flavours too. No limits.
Only frozen veggies left were broad beans and broccoli.
My local Woolies has a 2 items limit for frozen veggies. All of the bigger packs were sold out, leaving only the smaller ones left. Still, I got enough to last me a week or two. They were also low on eggs. I don’t get that, eggs are perishable and go off fairly quickly. It’s not like this virus is going to kill all the chickens. What am I missing about the eggs, is there some doomsday-prepper recipe that needs lots of eggs or something?
They go in the flour to bake cakes, Mr Panty Parts. All the flour was gone too. But my Woolies had plenty of eggs. Plenty of bread too. So I have no idea why all the flour was gone.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Woodie said:I got onions. Woolies had onions.
Did they have cola?
A plenty, Mr V. and all other flavours too. No limits.
Only frozen veggies left were broad beans and broccoli.
Oh, good about the cola. Not so good about the veges.
monkey skipper said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:Did they have cola?
A plenty, Mr V. and all other flavours too. No limits.
Only frozen veggies left were broad beans and broccoli.
I bought some cordial and thought I was getting some green cordial but alas I picked up sarsaparilla instead. It will last a while on the plus side.
It’d last forever here.
Woodie said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:A plenty, Mr V. and all other flavours too. No limits.
Only frozen veggies left were broad beans and broccoli.
My local Woolies has a 2 items limit for frozen veggies. All of the bigger packs were sold out, leaving only the smaller ones left. Still, I got enough to last me a week or two. They were also low on eggs. I don’t get that, eggs are perishable and go off fairly quickly. It’s not like this virus is going to kill all the chickens. What am I missing about the eggs, is there some doomsday-prepper recipe that needs lots of eggs or something?
They go in the flour to bake cakes, Mr Panty Parts. All the flour was gone too. But my Woolies had plenty of eggs. Plenty of bread too. So I have no idea why all the flour was gone.
The flour is gone because everyone thinks they will be quarantined and will need to resort to baking at home. Lots of baking disasters coming up and in 24 months’ time, our landfills are going to turn to glue.
Michael V said:
monkey skipper said:
Woodie said:A plenty, Mr V. and all other flavours too. No limits.
Only frozen veggies left were broad beans and broccoli.
I bought some cordial and thought I was getting some green cordial but alas I picked up sarsaparilla instead. It will last a while on the plus side.
It’d last forever here.
I will persevere/
Woodie said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:A plenty, Mr V. and all other flavours too. No limits.
Only frozen veggies left were broad beans and broccoli.
My local Woolies has a 2 items limit for frozen veggies. All of the bigger packs were sold out, leaving only the smaller ones left. Still, I got enough to last me a week or two. They were also low on eggs. I don’t get that, eggs are perishable and go off fairly quickly. It’s not like this virus is going to kill all the chickens. What am I missing about the eggs, is there some doomsday-prepper recipe that needs lots of eggs or something?
They go in the flour to bake cakes, Mr Panty Parts. All the flour was gone too. But my Woolies had plenty of eggs. Plenty of bread too. So I have no idea why all the flour was gone.
Maybe they’re all making long life biscuits, or some variation of old fashion ships hard tack.
Speedy said:
Woodie said:
party_pants said:My local Woolies has a 2 items limit for frozen veggies. All of the bigger packs were sold out, leaving only the smaller ones left. Still, I got enough to last me a week or two. They were also low on eggs. I don’t get that, eggs are perishable and go off fairly quickly. It’s not like this virus is going to kill all the chickens. What am I missing about the eggs, is there some doomsday-prepper recipe that needs lots of eggs or something?
They go in the flour to bake cakes, Mr Panty Parts. All the flour was gone too. But my Woolies had plenty of eggs. Plenty of bread too. So I have no idea why all the flour was gone.
The flour is gone because everyone thinks they will be quarantined and will need to resort to baking at home. Lots of baking disasters coming up and in 24 months’ time, our landfills are going to turn to glue.
LOLs.
We’ll be baking bread tomorrow. Lovely sourdough.
Flour and eggs = pancakes. For those whose cooking abilities are limited.
Are the general veggies (not onions and potatoes) going too? In our Woollies on Wednesday afternoon there was plenty of fresh broccoli and cauliflowers. And a load of green grapes had just come in. And, oddly, there was oodles of pumpkin. It’s not quite pumpkin season yet.
Speedy said:
Woodie said:
party_pants said:My local Woolies has a 2 items limit for frozen veggies. All of the bigger packs were sold out, leaving only the smaller ones left. Still, I got enough to last me a week or two. They were also low on eggs. I don’t get that, eggs are perishable and go off fairly quickly. It’s not like this virus is going to kill all the chickens. What am I missing about the eggs, is there some doomsday-prepper recipe that needs lots of eggs or something?
They go in the flour to bake cakes, Mr Panty Parts. All the flour was gone too. But my Woolies had plenty of eggs. Plenty of bread too. So I have no idea why all the flour was gone.
The flour is gone because everyone thinks they will be quarantined and will need to resort to baking at home. Lots of baking disasters coming up and in 24 months’ time, our landfills are going to turn to glue.
Yes. Stock on now on useless stuff you’re never going to need, just so you can chuck it all out when things get back to normal.
buffy said:
Flour and eggs = pancakes. For those whose cooking abilities are limited.Are the general veggies (not onions and potatoes) going too? In our Woollies on Wednesday afternoon there was plenty of fresh broccoli and cauliflowers. And a load of green grapes had just come in. And, oddly, there was oodles of pumpkin. It’s not quite pumpkin season yet.
I’ve got a 20 in the garden, enough for a while
R. Sole.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-hong-kong-student-assaulted-for-wearing-face-mask/12075470
buffy said:
Flour and eggs = pancakes.
that’d make really thick pancake mix.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-covid-19-scott-morrison-enhanced-social-distancing/12075532
Soo…food shops exempt. But cafe’s are not. Hmm. Many bakeries (food shops) have an area for eating too. And as the piece says, no time has been mentioned for when this officially starts. It feels like catchup.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-covid-19-scott-morrison-enhanced-social-distancing/12075532Soo…food shops exempt. But cafe’s are not. Hmm. Many bakeries (food shops) have an area for eating too. And as the piece says, no time has been mentioned for when this officially starts. It feels like catchup.
I was thinking about this café that closed down before all this started to became widespread.
It looks like it’s been ready to open for a week at least but I’ve seen no one in there, really bad timing
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
Flour and eggs = pancakes.
that’d make really thick pancake mix.
mmm homemade pancakes with sugar and lemon juice …num num
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
Flour and eggs = pancakes.
that’d make really thick pancake mix.
I assumed availability of water. (You don’t have to use milk). As far as I know the water is still arriving in the pipes in the cities…
;)
Boris, when do they let you out?
6m ago 07:35
The EU would be open to a possible request from Britain for the delaying of the UK’s departure from the European Union, according to the president of the European Commission, Ursula Von Der Leyen.
She was speaking on Germany radio.
The Guardian reported last week that Britain, which entered an 11 month transition period earlier this year – will have to guarantee “uniform implementation” of Brussels’s state subsidy rules.
dv said:
Boris, when do they let you out?
I’m a free man. I just live a solitary life. No lock in for me.
Elon Musk wants to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.
The billionaire entrepreneur — who runs SpaceX and the electric-car company Tesla, among other ventures — offered to manufacture breathing machines for sufferers of COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.
“We will make ventilators if there is a shortage,” Musk said via Twitter on Wednesday (March 18).
Nate Silver, editor in chief of fivethirtyeight.com, quickly responded that there is indeed a shortage and asked Musk how many ventilators he planned to make.
https://www.space.com/elon-musk-ventilators-coronavirus-pandemic.html
dv said:
Elon Musk wants to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.The billionaire entrepreneur — who runs SpaceX and the electric-car company Tesla, among other ventures — offered to manufacture breathing machines for sufferers of COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.
“We will make ventilators if there is a shortage,” Musk said via Twitter on Wednesday (March 18).
Nate Silver, editor in chief of fivethirtyeight.com, quickly responded that there is indeed a shortage and asked Musk how many ventilators he planned to make.
https://www.space.com/elon-musk-ventilators-coronavirus-pandemic.html
Yeah, each ventilator will come with a mini sub.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Elon Musk wants to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.The billionaire entrepreneur — who runs SpaceX and the electric-car company Tesla, among other ventures — offered to manufacture breathing machines for sufferers of COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.
“We will make ventilators if there is a shortage,” Musk said via Twitter on Wednesday (March 18).
Nate Silver, editor in chief of fivethirtyeight.com, quickly responded that there is indeed a shortage and asked Musk how many ventilators he planned to make.
https://www.space.com/elon-musk-ventilators-coronavirus-pandemic.html
Yeah, each ventilator will come with a mini sub.
and a pedometer?
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Elon Musk wants to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.The billionaire entrepreneur — who runs SpaceX and the electric-car company Tesla, among other ventures — offered to manufacture breathing machines for sufferers of COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.
“We will make ventilators if there is a shortage,” Musk said via Twitter on Wednesday (March 18).
Nate Silver, editor in chief of fivethirtyeight.com, quickly responded that there is indeed a shortage and asked Musk how many ventilators he planned to make.
https://www.space.com/elon-musk-ventilators-coronavirus-pandemic.html
Yeah, each ventilator will come with a mini sub.
and a pedometer?
:)
I have no doubt that Musk is a very, very smart man. He’s also a fucking idiot.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Elon Musk wants to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.The billionaire entrepreneur — who runs SpaceX and the electric-car company Tesla, among other ventures — offered to manufacture breathing machines for sufferers of COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.
“We will make ventilators if there is a shortage,” Musk said via Twitter on Wednesday (March 18).
Nate Silver, editor in chief of fivethirtyeight.com, quickly responded that there is indeed a shortage and asked Musk how many ventilators he planned to make.
https://www.space.com/elon-musk-ventilators-coronavirus-pandemic.html
Yeah, each ventilator will come with a mini sub.
and a pedometer?
:)
Australian Psychological Society guidelines for surviving COVID-19
Might help, dunno.
2m ago 07:57
Ben Doherty
Ben Doherty
A 36-year-old Australian man diagnosed with Covid-19 has died in Iceland, while his wife has been quarantined with the illness.
However, doctors said the man’s symptoms were atypical for the novel coronavirus, and although he had the illness they are continuing to investigate the cause of his death, Iceland’s national broadcaster reported.
“While he was found to be infected with the coronavirus, it is unlikely to have been the cause of his death,” epidemiologist Dr Thorolfur Gudnason, the chief of the health directorate’s national vaccination program, told public broadcaster RUV. “His symptoms came on very quickly and were not those usually associated with Covid-19 deaths.”
sarahs mum said:
2m ago 07:57
Ben DohertyBen Doherty
A 36-year-old Australian man diagnosed with Covid-19 has died in Iceland, while his wife has been quarantined with the illness.
However, doctors said the man’s symptoms were atypical for the novel coronavirus, and although he had the illness they are continuing to investigate the cause of his death, Iceland’s national broadcaster reported.
“While he was found to be infected with the coronavirus, it is unlikely to have been the cause of his death,” epidemiologist Dr Thorolfur Gudnason, the chief of the health directorate’s national vaccination program, told public broadcaster RUV. “His symptoms came on very quickly and were not those usually associated with Covid-19 deaths.”
That’s very interesting.
2m ago 04:07
Richard Adams
Richard Adams
With schools and universities in the UK now relying on digital services for their switch to remote learning, parents and students are already complaining that residential internet speeds are slowing down dramatically.
The Department for Education in England says it is engaging directly with telecommunications providers to try and fix the problem:
“The government is having regular calls with the major fixed and mobile operators, and with Ofcom, to monitor the situation and ensure that any problems on the networks are rapidly addressed and rectified.
“We fully understand the importance of having reliable internet connectivity at this time, so that people can work from home wherever possible and access critical public services online, including health information.“
20s ago 08:11
Cirque du Soleil, the world famous entertainment company, has announced it is temporarily laying off 4,679 employees – some 95 percent of its workforce.
sarahs mum said:
20s ago 08:11Cirque du Soleil, the world famous entertainment company, has announced it is temporarily laying off 4,679 employees – some 95 percent of its workforce.
Ouch
sarahs mum said:
2m ago 04:07
Richard AdamsRichard Adams
With schools and universities in the UK now relying on digital services for their switch to remote learning, parents and students are already complaining that residential internet speeds are slowing down dramatically.
The Department for Education in England says it is engaging directly with telecommunications providers to try and fix the problem:
“The government is having regular calls with the major fixed and mobile operators, and with Ofcom, to monitor the situation and ensure that any problems on the networks are rapidly addressed and rectified.
“We fully understand the importance of having reliable internet connectivity at this time, so that people can work from home wherever possible and access critical public services online, including health information.“
I’ve bsically been using the internet to interact, since I was given the ability to apply my talents to an unfamliar keyboard.
sarahs mum said:
2m ago 07:57
Ben DohertyBen Doherty
A 36-year-old Australian man diagnosed with Covid-19 has died in Iceland, while his wife has been quarantined with the illness.
However, doctors said the man’s symptoms were atypical for the novel coronavirus, and although he had the illness they are continuing to investigate the cause of his death, Iceland’s national broadcaster reported.
“While he was found to be infected with the coronavirus, it is unlikely to have been the cause of his death,” epidemiologist Dr Thorolfur Gudnason, the chief of the health directorate’s national vaccination program, told public broadcaster RUV. “His symptoms came on very quickly and were not those usually associated with Covid-19 deaths.”
Ooh…“Fortitude”…
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:2m ago 07:57
Ben DohertyBen Doherty
A 36-year-old Australian man diagnosed with Covid-19 has died in Iceland, while his wife has been quarantined with the illness.
However, doctors said the man’s symptoms were atypical for the novel coronavirus, and although he had the illness they are continuing to investigate the cause of his death, Iceland’s national broadcaster reported.
“While he was found to be infected with the coronavirus, it is unlikely to have been the cause of his death,” epidemiologist Dr Thorolfur Gudnason, the chief of the health directorate’s national vaccination program, told public broadcaster RUV. “His symptoms came on very quickly and were not those usually associated with Covid-19 deaths.”
Ooh…“Fortitude”…
The California governor reckons that 56% 0f their population is expected to contract the virus, that’s about 25 million people.
Now China has peaked at about 81 thousand.
Now you may think China is fudging their numbers, even allowing for that I think the Governor has gone off the reservation.
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:2m ago 07:57
Ben DohertyBen Doherty
A 36-year-old Australian man diagnosed with Covid-19 has died in Iceland, while his wife has been quarantined with the illness.
However, doctors said the man’s symptoms were atypical for the novel coronavirus, and although he had the illness they are continuing to investigate the cause of his death, Iceland’s national broadcaster reported.
“While he was found to be infected with the coronavirus, it is unlikely to have been the cause of his death,” epidemiologist Dr Thorolfur Gudnason, the chief of the health directorate’s national vaccination program, told public broadcaster RUV. “His symptoms came on very quickly and were not those usually associated with Covid-19 deaths.”
Ooh…“Fortitude”…
Australia’s social distancing rules have been enhanced to slow coronavirus — here’s how they work – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Inbox
17:46 (1 hour ago)
to me
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-covid-19-scott-morrison-enhanced-social-distancing/12075532Australia’s social distancing rules have been enhanced to slow coronavirus — here’s how they work – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Inbox
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-covid-19-scott-morrison-enhanced-social-distancing/12075532
Peak Warming Man said:
The California governor reckons that 56% 0f their population is expected to contract the virus, that’s about 25 million people.
Now China has peaked at about 81 thousand.
Now you may think China is fudging their numbers, even allowing for that I think the Governor has gone off the reservation.
Hopefully that was presented to him as a worst case scenario rather than actual expectation.
dv said:
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:2m ago 07:57
Ben DohertyBen Doherty
A 36-year-old Australian man diagnosed with Covid-19 has died in Iceland, while his wife has been quarantined with the illness.
However, doctors said the man’s symptoms were atypical for the novel coronavirus, and although he had the illness they are continuing to investigate the cause of his death, Iceland’s national broadcaster reported.
“While he was found to be infected with the coronavirus, it is unlikely to have been the cause of his death,” epidemiologist Dr Thorolfur Gudnason, the chief of the health directorate’s national vaccination program, told public broadcaster RUV. “His symptoms came on very quickly and were not those usually associated with Covid-19 deaths.”
Ooh…“Fortitude”…
Christopher Eckythump
Huh?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3498622/
Peak Warming Man said:
The California governor reckons that 56% 0f their population is expected to contract the virus, that’s about 25 million people.
Now China has peaked at about 81 thousand.
Now you may think China is fudging their numbers, even allowing for that I think the Governor has gone off the reservation.
I saw some images of China’s lock down. It wasn’t enough to have manned checkpoints on the roads, or chained off, they dug actual ditches. No bribing or cutting that. Very possible they imposed curfews with deadly consequences, so I can see it as possible they throttled it’s spread.
AwesomeO said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The California governor reckons that 56% 0f their population is expected to contract the virus, that’s about 25 million people.
Now China has peaked at about 81 thousand.
Now you may think China is fudging their numbers, even allowing for that I think the Governor has gone off the reservation.
I saw some images of China’s lock down. It wasn’t enough to have manned checkpoints on the roads, or chained off, they dug actual ditches. No bribing or cutting that. Very possible they imposed curfews with deadly consequences, so I can see it as possible they throttled it’s spread.
China exonerates doctor reprimanded doctor Li
In this Feb. 7, 2020, file photo, people wearing masks attend a vigil for Chinese doctor Li Wenliang, who was reprimanded for warning about the outbreak of the new coronavirus, in Hong Kong. China has taken the highly unusual move of exonerating the doctor who was reprimanded for warning about the coronavirus outbreak and later died of the disease. An official media report said police in Wuhan had revoked its admonishment of Dr. Li that had included a threat of arrest and issued a “solemn apology” to his family.China has exonerated a doctor who was officially reprimanded for warning about the coronavirus outbreak and later died of the disease, a startling admission of error by the ruling Communist Party that generally bodes no challenges to its authority.
The party’s top disciplinary body said the police force in Wuhan had revoked its admonishment of Dr. Li Wenliang that had included a threat of arrest.
It also said a “solemn apology” had been issued to Li’s family and that two police officers, identified only by their surnames, had been issued “disciplinary punishments” for the original handling of the matter.
Pictures: Coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak around the world
In death, Li became the face of simmering anger at the ruling Communist Party’s controls over information and complaints that officials lie about or hide disease outbreaks, industrial accidents, natural disasters and financial frauds, while punishing whistleblowers and independent journalists.
In this Feb 3, 2020, photo released by Beijing Thanksgiving Public Welfare Foundation, Dr. Li Wenliang is seen at The Central Hospital of Wuhan in Wuhan in central China’s Hubei province. China has taken the highly unusual move of exonerating the doctor who was reprimanded for warning about the coronavirus outbreak and later died of the disease. An official media report said police in Wuhan had revoked its admonishment of Dr. Li that had included a threat of arrest and issued a “solemn apology” to his family. (Beijing Thanksgiving Public Welfare Foundation via AP)
After seeing thousands of new cases daily at the peak of the city’s outbreak a month ago, Wuhan on Friday had its second consecutive day with no new confirmed or suspected cases.
The National Health Commission said all of the 39 new cases recorded Friday in China were brought from overseas, showing that rigid travel restrictions and social distancing requirements appear to have had their desired effect.
China has loosened some travel restrictions in Hubei, the province surrounding Wuhan, although its provincial border remains closed and Wuhan itself remains under lockdown. Officials say they will only lift the quarantine after Wuhan goes 14 consecutive days with no new cases.
Police in December had reprimanded eight doctors including Li for warning friends on social media about the emerging threat. China’s supreme court later criticized the police, but the ruling party continued to tighten its grip on information about the outbreak.
The party has faced similar accusations of bungling or thuggish behavior following previous disasters. They include the 2003 outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, a 2005 chemical spill that disrupted water supplies to millions of people in China’s northeast, sales of tainted milk that sickened thousands of children and the failure of private finance companies after the global economic crisis.
In each case, officials were accused of trying to conceal or delay information people said they needed to protect themselves.
The party often responds by allowing the public to vent temporarily, then uses its control of media and the internet to stifle criticism. Critics who persist can be jailed on vague charges of spreading rumors or making trouble.
The treatment of Li’s case may reflect concerns among the leadership about public anger over the failure to properly honor the sacrifices of front-line health workers while praising the party and its head, Xi Jinping, who has tightened controls on society since taking power in 2012.
The most powerful Chinese leader since at least the 1980s, Xi gave himself the option of remaining president for life by changing the Chinese constitution in 2018 to remove a two-term limit.
In Wuhan, local leaders were accused of telling doctors in December not to publicize the spreading virus in order to avoid casting a shadow over the annual meeting of a local legislative body.
As the virus spread, doctors were ordered to delete posts on social media that appealed for donations of medical supplies. That prompted complaints authorities were more worried about image than public safety.
Li was detained by police after warning about the virus on a social media group for his former classmates.
monkey skipper said:
China exonerates doctor reprimanded doctor Li
In this Feb. 7, 2020, file photo, people wearing masks attend a vigil for Chinese doctor Li Wenliang, who was reprimanded for warning about the outbreak of the new coronavirus, in Hong Kong. China has taken the highly unusual move of exonerating the doctor who was reprimanded for warning about the coronavirus outbreak and later died of the disease. An official media report said police in Wuhan had revoked its admonishment of Dr. Li that had included a threat of arrest and issued a “solemn apology” to his family.China has exonerated a doctor who was officially reprimanded for warning about the coronavirus outbreak and later died of the disease, a startling admission of error by the ruling Communist Party that generally bodes no challenges to its authority.
The party’s top disciplinary body said the police force in Wuhan had revoked its admonishment of Dr. Li Wenliang that had included a threat of arrest.It also said a “solemn apology” had been issued to Li’s family and that two police officers, identified only by their surnames, had been issued “disciplinary punishments” for the original handling of the matter.
Pictures: Coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak around the worldIn death, Li became the face of simmering anger at the ruling Communist Party’s controls over information and complaints that officials lie about or hide disease outbreaks, industrial accidents, natural disasters and financial frauds, while punishing whistleblowers and independent journalists.
In this Feb 3, 2020, photo released by Beijing Thanksgiving Public Welfare Foundation, Dr. Li Wenliang is seen at The Central Hospital of Wuhan in Wuhan in central China’s Hubei province. China has taken the highly unusual move of exonerating the doctor who was reprimanded for warning about the coronavirus outbreak and later died of the disease. An official media report said police in Wuhan had revoked its admonishment of Dr. Li that had included a threat of arrest and issued a “solemn apology” to his family. (Beijing Thanksgiving Public Welfare Foundation via AP)
After seeing thousands of new cases daily at the peak of the city’s outbreak a month ago, Wuhan on Friday had its second consecutive day with no new confirmed or suspected cases.The National Health Commission said all of the 39 new cases recorded Friday in China were brought from overseas, showing that rigid travel restrictions and social distancing requirements appear to have had their desired effect.
China has loosened some travel restrictions in Hubei, the province surrounding Wuhan, although its provincial border remains closed and Wuhan itself remains under lockdown. Officials say they will only lift the quarantine after Wuhan goes 14 consecutive days with no new cases.Police in December had reprimanded eight doctors including Li for warning friends on social media about the emerging threat. China’s supreme court later criticized the police, but the ruling party continued to tighten its grip on information about the outbreak.
The party has faced similar accusations of bungling or thuggish behavior following previous disasters. They include the 2003 outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, a 2005 chemical spill that disrupted water supplies to millions of people in China’s northeast, sales of tainted milk that sickened thousands of children and the failure of private finance companies after the global economic crisis.
In each case, officials were accused of trying to conceal or delay information people said they needed to protect themselves.
The party often responds by allowing the public to vent temporarily, then uses its control of media and the internet to stifle criticism. Critics who persist can be jailed on vague charges of spreading rumors or making trouble.
The treatment of Li’s case may reflect concerns among the leadership about public anger over the failure to properly honor the sacrifices of front-line health workers while praising the party and its head, Xi Jinping, who has tightened controls on society since taking power in 2012.The most powerful Chinese leader since at least the 1980s, Xi gave himself the option of remaining president for life by changing the Chinese constitution in 2018 to remove a two-term limit.
In Wuhan, local leaders were accused of telling doctors in December not to publicize the spreading virus in order to avoid casting a shadow over the annual meeting of a local legislative body.As the virus spread, doctors were ordered to delete posts on social media that appealed for donations of medical supplies. That prompted complaints authorities were more worried about image than public safety.
Li was detained by police after warning about the virus on a social media group for his former classmates.
As anyone seeing something that may be new, this scares all of us.
Peak Warming Man said:
The California governor reckons that 56% 0f their population is expected to contract the virus, that’s about 25 million people.
Now China has peaked at about 81 thousand.
Now you may think China is fudging their numbers, even allowing for that I think the Governor has gone off the reservation.
Maybe they expect and have modeled in that Americans won’t just nicely do as they are told…?
monkey skipper said:
China exonerates doctor reprimanded doctor Li….
Oh, ignore all that.
Instead, praise the Chinese for their Herculean efforts to bolt the stable door after the horse went ages ago.
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The California governor reckons that 56% 0f their population is expected to contract the virus, that’s about 25 million people.
Now China has peaked at about 81 thousand.
Now you may think China is fudging their numbers, even allowing for that I think the Governor has gone off the reservation.
Maybe they expect and have modeled in that Americans won’t just nicely do as they are told…?
They are the greatest, you don’t even need to ask them.
captain_spalding said:
monkey skipper said:China exonerates doctor reprimanded doctor Li….
Oh, ignore all that.
Instead, praise the Chinese for their Herculean efforts to bolt the stable door after the horse went ages ago.
We are all in awe of that effort.
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:Ooh…“Fortitude”…
Christopher Eckythump
Huh?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3498622/
Christopher Eccleston played Professor Charlie Stoddart in the TV series called Fortitude.
In calling him Christopher Eckythump, I was referring to the Goodies episode Kung Fu Kapers, in which Eckythump is a martial art practiced Oop North, which is where Eccleston is from.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:Christopher Eckythump
Huh?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3498622/
Christopher Eccleston played Professor Charlie Stoddart in the TV series called Fortitude.
In calling him Christopher Eckythump, I was referring to the Goodies episode Kung Fu Kapers, in which Eckythump is a martial art practiced Oop North, which is where Eccleston is from.
details details.. Did this years back.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:Christopher Eckythump
Huh?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3498622/
Christopher Eccleston played Professor Charlie Stoddart in the TV series called Fortitude.
In calling him Christopher Eckythump, I was referring to the Goodies episode Kung Fu Kapers, in which Eckythump is a martial art practiced Oop North, which is where Eccleston is from.
I didn’t remember him in it. Only 2 episodes of 25. Not an important character. It was a horrible thing. So horrible we had to watch all of it. But I couldn’t say it was enjoyable. I really don’t know why I didn’t pull out from watching it.
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:Huh?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3498622/
Christopher Eccleston played Professor Charlie Stoddart in the TV series called Fortitude.
In calling him Christopher Eckythump, I was referring to the Goodies episode Kung Fu Kapers, in which Eckythump is a martial art practiced Oop North, which is where Eccleston is from.
I didn’t remember him in it. Only 2 episodes of 25. Not an important character. It was a horrible thing. So horrible we had to watch all of it. But I couldn’t say it was enjoyable. I really don’t know why I didn’t pull out from watching it.
It was Stoddart’s death that started the whole crisis.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:Christopher Eccleston played Professor Charlie Stoddart in the TV series called Fortitude.
In calling him Christopher Eckythump, I was referring to the Goodies episode Kung Fu Kapers, in which Eckythump is a martial art practiced Oop North, which is where Eccleston is from.
I didn’t remember him in it. Only 2 episodes of 25. Not an important character. It was a horrible thing. So horrible we had to watch all of it. But I couldn’t say it was enjoyable. I really don’t know why I didn’t pull out from watching it.
It was Stoddart’s death that started the whole crisis.
You don’t expect me to remember that sort of detail do you? Got to the end. Moved on.
:)
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:I didn’t remember him in it. Only 2 episodes of 25. Not an important character. It was a horrible thing. So horrible we had to watch all of it. But I couldn’t say it was enjoyable. I really don’t know why I didn’t pull out from watching it.
It was Stoddart’s death that started the whole crisis.
You don’t expect me to remember that sort of detail do you? Got to the end. Moved on.
:)
I expect you to have a mind like a steel trap.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:It was Stoddart’s death that started the whole crisis.
You don’t expect me to remember that sort of detail do you? Got to the end. Moved on.
:)
I expect you to have a mind like a steel trap.
No, I’ve got a selective memory. It doesn’t keep stuff I don’t need to keep. At least, that is how I rationalize forgetting things. If I forgot something, it must have been unimportant.
I have a lovely snap somewhere of my youngest nephew at age of about seven, meeting two of the Goodies (Tim & Graeme) and showing them the “furry little critter creeping up arm” routine he’d rehearsed after seeing it on a Goodies episode.
Bubblecar said:
I have a lovely snap somewhere of my youngest nephew at age of about seven, meeting two of the Goodies (Tim & Graeme) and showing them the “furry little critter creeping up arm” routine he’d rehearsed after seeing it on a Goodies episode.
Great memories.
Bubblecar said:
I have a lovely snap somewhere of my youngest nephew at age of about seven, meeting two of the Goodies (Tim & Graeme) and showing them the “furry little critter creeping up arm” routine he’d rehearsed after seeing it on a Goodies episode.
Great memories.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:Christopher Eckythump
Huh?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3498622/
Christopher Eccleston played Professor Charlie Stoddart in the TV series called Fortitude.
In calling him Christopher Eckythump, I was referring to the Goodies episode Kung Fu Kapers, in which Eckythump is a martial art practiced Oop North, which is where Eccleston is from.
I think in buffy’s Fortitude, a person was chained to an outside structure and a passing polar bear got him tearing his chained arm from the body.
Stay indoors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnd1jKcfBRE
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
buffy said:Huh?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3498622/
Christopher Eccleston played Professor Charlie Stoddart in the TV series called Fortitude.
In calling him Christopher Eckythump, I was referring to the Goodies episode Kung Fu Kapers, in which Eckythump is a martial art practiced Oop North, which is where Eccleston is from.
I think in buffy’s Fortitude, a person was chained to an outside structure and a passing polar bear got him tearing his chained arm from the body.
There were some bits I was not able to watch.
Antarctica is coronavirus free. They might be counting their stock pile and declaring a new utopia.
sibeen said:
Stay indoors.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnd1jKcfBRE
bleak
monkey skipper said:
Antarctica is coronavirus free. They might be counting their stock pile and declaring a new utopia.
Won’t someone think of the Penguins?
PermeateFree said:
monkey skipper said:
Antarctica is coronavirus free. They might be counting their stock pile and declaring a new utopia.
Won’t someone think of the Penguins?
They have probably got their own proprietary brand.
buffy said:
PermeateFree said:
monkey skipper said:
Antarctica is coronavirus free. They might be counting their stock pile and declaring a new utopia.
Won’t someone think of the Penguins?
They have probably got their own proprietary brand.
pommy version of a timtam.
Zero cases in Finland so far.
Zero DEATHS in Finland so far, I mean.
PermeateFree said:
monkey skipper said:
Antarctica is coronavirus free. They might be counting their stock pile and declaring a new utopia.
Won’t someone think of the Penguins?
I’d say they are thought about if the food stocks reduce too far down there as they might be like venison (code name for deer) , penquino (code name for penguin) and perhaps a side of deep sea fish on the side of some sorts.
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
PermeateFree said:Won’t someone think of the Penguins?
They have probably got their own proprietary brand.
pommy version of a timtam.
The Tim Tam produced by Arnott’s in Australia was based on the Penguin.
wiki.
dv said:
Zero DEATHS in Finland so far, I mean.
I think you have to actually get two Finns to be in the same room before it can be passed on.
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:They have probably got their own proprietary brand.
pommy version of a timtam.
The Tim Tam produced by Arnott’s in Australia was based on the Penguin.
wiki.
tim tams are betterer though.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Zero DEATHS in Finland so far, I mean.I think you have to actually get two Finns to be in the same room before it can be passed on.
socially distancing enforced by Surströmming
sibeen said:
dv said:
Zero DEATHS in Finland so far, I mean.I think you have to actually get two Finns to be in the same room before it can be passed on.
Finns at a bus stop.
monkey skipper said:
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
pommy version of a timtam.
The Tim Tam produced by Arnott’s in Australia was based on the Penguin.
wiki.
tim tams are betterer though.
yeah, it’s the fishy taste of penguins that puts people off.
ChrispenEvan said:
monkey skipper said:
ChrispenEvan said:The Tim Tam produced by Arnott’s in Australia was based on the Penguin.
wiki.
tim tams are betterer though.
yeah, it’s the fishy taste of penguins that puts people off.
it’s seabird bloody flavour!
ChrispenEvan said:
monkey skipper said:
ChrispenEvan said:The Tim Tam produced by Arnott’s in Australia was based on the Penguin.
wiki.
tim tams are betterer though.
yeah, it’s the fishy taste of penguins that puts people off.
What? I thought they tasted like albatross?
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
monkey skipper said:tim tams are betterer though.
yeah, it’s the fishy taste of penguins that puts people off.
What? I thought they tasted like albatross?
albatross are just penguins that can fly.
25s ago 09:35
Alex Hern
Alex Hern
Twitter won’t be removing a tweet from Elon Musk that claims that children are “basically immune” to Covid-19, a day after committing to remove misinformation related to the disease, the company says.
The claim isn’t supported by the evidence, which suggests that children can and do catch the virus, with many becoming seriously ill around the world, and many more helping to spread the disease further while suffering mild or no symptoms.
While death rates remain low for under-18s, a March paper in the journal Pediatrics concluded “children at all ages were susceptible to COVID-19”.
But, in a statement given to tech site The Verge, Twitter said it would not be enforcing its new rules on medical misinformation against Musk.
“When reviewing the overall context and conclusion of the Tweet, it does not break our rules”, the company said. “We’ll continue to consult with trusted partners such as health authorities to identify content that is most harmful.”
Musk has been talking down the risk of Covid-19 for some time. On March 6, he tweeted: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528
He has told employees at one of his companies, SpaceX, that “the risk of death from C19 is vastly less than the risk of death from driving your car home.”
He did not deploy the same metaphor at another of his companies, which makes cars, but instead told Tesla employees that they should continue working at his Fremont, California, factory unless they were showing symptoms, despite a shelter-in-place order in the San Francisco Bay Area.
Musk was eventually overruled by the local sheriff’s office.
I naturally have a reasonable distance of personal space anyway. I think it is a cultural thing.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Zero DEATHS in Finland so far, I mean.I think you have to actually get two Finns to be in the same room before it can be passed on.
Finns at a bus stop.
They have obviously been ahead of the game for years. Well practiced.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Zero DEATHS in Finland so far, I mean.I think you have to actually get two Finns to be in the same room before it can be passed on.
Finns at a bus stop.
They’d need a bloody big bus to maintain that.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
sibeen said:I think you have to actually get two Finns to be in the same room before it can be passed on.
Finns at a bus stop.
They have obviously been ahead of the game for years. Well practiced.
They’re trying to stay far enough apart to avoid conversation.
There’s only so much you can say about how cold it is, and about reindeer.
sarahs mum said:
children can and do catch the virus, with many becoming seriously ill around the world,
how many is many, or is this the “serious doesn’t imply severe” thing
https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world/china-covid-19-study-blood-type-o-are-more-resistant-type-a-are-more-susceptible-to-infection/ar-BB11m7SA
A new medical study on the coronavirus in China found that blood type A patients were more susceptible to the infection and tended to develop more severe symptoms, while patients with blood type O seemed more resistant to the disease.
===
We won’t mention this to my sister.
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:children can and do catch the virus, with many becoming seriously ill around the world,
how many is many, or is this the “serious doesn’t imply severe” thing
It means that yeah, some get really sick.
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:children can and do catch the virus, with many becoming seriously ill around the world,
how many is many, or is this the “serious doesn’t imply severe” thing
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-new-age-analysis-of-risk-confirms-young-adults-not-invincible/
There have been 2143 pediatric cases in China, as at the beginning of March. Of these, some 6% were severe or critical cases. So that would be some 130 severe or critical cases. Is 130 “many”? I mean it’s not “few”. But of a child COVID-19 case becoming severe or critical is about a third that for an adult.
crowdsource said:
Despite various publications of results where hand washing reduced mortality to below 1%, Semmelweis’s observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. Semmelweis could offer no acceptable scientific explanation for his findings, and some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and mocked him for it. In 1865, the increasingly outspoken Semmelweis supposedly suffered a nervous breakdown and was treacherously committed to an asylum by his colleague. He died a mere 14 days later, at the age of 47, after being beaten by the guards, from a gangrenous wound on his right hand which might have been caused by the beating.
well well well
unwell
And Prince Albert. (Monaco)
sarahs mum said:
And Prince Albert. (Monaco)
He probably shakes too many hands.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:children can and do catch the virus, with many becoming seriously ill around the world,
how many is many, or is this the “serious doesn’t imply severe” thing
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-new-age-analysis-of-risk-confirms-young-adults-not-invincible/
There have been 2143 pediatric cases in China, as at the beginning of March. Of these, some 6% were severe or critical cases. So that would be some 130 severe or critical cases. Is 130 “many”? I mean it’s not “few”. But of a child COVID-19 case becoming severe or critical is about a third that for an adult.
I only posted the story so Sibeen could go off and have a rant.
Surely not many people get their medical advice from Musk?
sarahs mum said:
And Prince Albert. (Monaco)
Yes they sometimes result in infections too
Pauline will be wetting her pants right now, no foreigners allowed in as of 15 minutes ago.
Peak Warming Man said:
Pauline will be wetting her pants right now, no foreigners allowed in as of 15 minutes ago.
I’ve been waiting…
all my life for this.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:how many is many, or is this the “serious doesn’t imply severe” thing
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-new-age-analysis-of-risk-confirms-young-adults-not-invincible/
There have been 2143 pediatric cases in China, as at the beginning of March. Of these, some 6% were severe or critical cases. So that would be some 130 severe or critical cases. Is 130 “many”? I mean it’s not “few”. But of a child COVID-19 case becoming severe or critical is about a third that for an adult.
I only posted the story so Sibeen could go off and have a rant.
Surely not many people get their medical advice from Musk?
WHEN DO I EVER RANT
GESTICULATES WILDLY
FOR FUCKS SAKE
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-new-age-analysis-of-risk-confirms-young-adults-not-invincible/
There have been 2143 pediatric cases in China, as at the beginning of March. Of these, some 6% were severe or critical cases. So that would be some 130 severe or critical cases. Is 130 “many”? I mean it’s not “few”. But of a child COVID-19 case becoming severe or critical is about a third that for an adult.
I only posted the story so Sibeen could go off and have a rant.
Surely not many people get their medical advice from Musk?
WHEN DO I EVER RANT
GESTICULATES WILDLY
FOR FUCKS SAKE
You are known for your quiet dignity
dv said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:I only posted the story so Sibeen could go off and have a rant.
Surely not many people get their medical advice from Musk?
WHEN DO I EVER RANT
GESTICULATES WILDLY
FOR FUCKS SAKE
You are known for your quiet dignity
cabin fever kicking in DV?
dv said:
Our flying monkey has done a food drop and we are pretty much set for the remainder, but it is weird some of the things that she reported as unavailable at Colesworths: rice, eggs, mince, fresh chicken.
When I said eggs I was referring to the offwhite things that come out of an avian cloaca.
Are there still Easter eggs there?
dv said:
dv said:
Our flying monkey has done a food drop and we are pretty much set for the remainder, but it is weird some of the things that she reported as unavailable at Colesworths: rice, eggs, mince, fresh chicken.
When I said eggs I was referring to the offwhite things that come out of an avian cloaca.
Are there still Easter eggs there?
There are Easter eggs everywhere.
11m ago 10:14
Mark Brown
Mark Brown
The British Museum has seen a surge in online visitors with the top 10 searches including those for the Benin Bronzes, metal plaques and sculptures that decorated the royal palace of the Kingdom of Benin, and the Lewis Chessmen, a group of distinctive 12th-century chess pieces.
It said the number of online visitors between 1-18 March was 978,548, up from 472,890 in the same period last year. Most of the increase has happened over the last 7 days.
The largest number of online visitors are people from Italy: 203,250 in March so far, followed by the UK (175,734), USA (113,741), Spain (111,707), Turkey (54,133), Russia (22,764), Canada (15,610), Australia (15,575).
The reasons are obvious. Every UK museum and gallery closed down this week so people self-isolating at home are desperate for a diversion.
The top 10 searches are: ‘Egypt’, ‘Virtual tour’, ‘Benin bronzes’, ‘Rosetta stone’, ‘Netsuke franks’, ‘Lewis chessmen’, ‘Virtual’, ‘Rosetta’, and ‘Vase Exekias.’
The museum’s director Hartwig Fischer said: “Culture gives comfort in times of turmoil, it unites us and makes us understand what it means to be human. As the world grapples with this current crisis, I am glad that so many people are coming to the website and online collections of the British Museum.”
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
dv said:
Our flying monkey has done a food drop and we are pretty much set for the remainder, but it is weird some of the things that she reported as unavailable at Colesworths: rice, eggs, mince, fresh chicken.
When I said eggs I was referring to the offwhite things that come out of an avian cloaca.
Are there still Easter eggs there?
There are Easter eggs everywhere.
It’s the one thing people aren’t stocking up on
sarahs mum said:
11m ago 10:14
Mark BrownMark Brown
The British Museum has seen a surge in online visitors with the top 10 searches including those for the Benin Bronzes, metal plaques and sculptures that decorated the royal palace of the Kingdom of Benin, and the Lewis Chessmen, a group of distinctive 12th-century chess pieces.
It said the number of online visitors between 1-18 March was 978,548, up from 472,890 in the same period last year. Most of the increase has happened over the last 7 days.
The largest number of online visitors are people from Italy: 203,250 in March so far, followed by the UK (175,734), USA (113,741), Spain (111,707), Turkey (54,133), Russia (22,764), Canada (15,610), Australia (15,575).
The reasons are obvious. Every UK museum and gallery closed down this week so people self-isolating at home are desperate for a diversion.
The top 10 searches are: ‘Egypt’, ‘Virtual tour’, ‘Benin bronzes’, ‘Rosetta stone’, ‘Netsuke franks’, ‘Lewis chessmen’, ‘Virtual’, ‘Rosetta’, and ‘Vase Exekias.’
The museum’s director Hartwig Fischer said: “Culture gives comfort in times of turmoil, it unites us and makes us understand what it means to be human. As the world grapples with this current crisis, I am glad that so many people are coming to the website and online collections of the British Museum.”
You really should have posted a link; I’m not sure deevs is aware that this site exists.
Arts said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:When I said eggs I was referring to the offwhite things that come out of an avian cloaca.
Are there still Easter eggs there?
There are Easter eggs everywhere.
It’s the one thing people aren’t stocking up on
“How to wipe your bum with an Easter egg” would be a sure-fire viral on Choob.
dv said:
dv said:
Our flying monkey has done a food drop and we are pretty much set for the remainder, but it is weird some of the things that she reported as unavailable at Colesworths: rice, eggs, mince, fresh chicken.When I said eggs I was referring to the offwhite things that come out of an avian cloaca.
Are there still Easter eggs there?
Stacked to the roof in boxes on top of all the shelves at my Woolies.
Bubblecar said:
Arts said:
Bubblecar said:There are Easter eggs everywhere.
It’s the one thing people aren’t stocking up on
“How to wipe your bum with an Easter egg” would be a sure-fire viral on Choob.
Pop it in and pop it out
He he he and have a shout.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:11m ago 10:14
Mark BrownMark Brown
The British Museum has seen a surge in online visitors with the top 10 searches including those for the Benin Bronzes, metal plaques and sculptures that decorated the royal palace of the Kingdom of Benin, and the Lewis Chessmen, a group of distinctive 12th-century chess pieces.
It said the number of online visitors between 1-18 March was 978,548, up from 472,890 in the same period last year. Most of the increase has happened over the last 7 days.
The largest number of online visitors are people from Italy: 203,250 in March so far, followed by the UK (175,734), USA (113,741), Spain (111,707), Turkey (54,133), Russia (22,764), Canada (15,610), Australia (15,575).
The reasons are obvious. Every UK museum and gallery closed down this week so people self-isolating at home are desperate for a diversion.
The top 10 searches are: ‘Egypt’, ‘Virtual tour’, ‘Benin bronzes’, ‘Rosetta stone’, ‘Netsuke franks’, ‘Lewis chessmen’, ‘Virtual’, ‘Rosetta’, and ‘Vase Exekias.’
The museum’s director Hartwig Fischer said: “Culture gives comfort in times of turmoil, it unites us and makes us understand what it means to be human. As the world grapples with this current crisis, I am glad that so many people are coming to the website and online collections of the British Museum.”
You really should have posted a link; I’m not sure deevs is aware that this site exists.
I am sure there are site managers who wonder at a surge of searches completely unaware it’s the subject of a forum war on a Norwegian forum or something.
Woodie said:
dv said:
dv said:
Our flying monkey has done a food drop and we are pretty much set for the remainder, but it is weird some of the things that she reported as unavailable at Colesworths: rice, eggs, mince, fresh chicken.When I said eggs I was referring to the offwhite things that come out of an avian cloaca.
Are there still Easter eggs there?
Stacked to the roof in boxes on top of all the shelves at my Woolies.
‘We just can’t get any bum-wad, folks, no matter how hard we try.’
‘However, we somehow managed to get thousands and thousands of chocolate eggs delivered.’
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:11m ago 10:14
Mark BrownMark Brown
The British Museum has seen a surge in online visitors with the top 10 searches including those for the Benin Bronzes, metal plaques and sculptures that decorated the royal palace of the Kingdom of Benin, and the Lewis Chessmen, a group of distinctive 12th-century chess pieces.
It said the number of online visitors between 1-18 March was 978,548, up from 472,890 in the same period last year. Most of the increase has happened over the last 7 days.
The largest number of online visitors are people from Italy: 203,250 in March so far, followed by the UK (175,734), USA (113,741), Spain (111,707), Turkey (54,133), Russia (22,764), Canada (15,610), Australia (15,575).
The reasons are obvious. Every UK museum and gallery closed down this week so people self-isolating at home are desperate for a diversion.
The top 10 searches are: ‘Egypt’, ‘Virtual tour’, ‘Benin bronzes’, ‘Rosetta stone’, ‘Netsuke franks’, ‘Lewis chessmen’, ‘Virtual’, ‘Rosetta’, and ‘Vase Exekias.’
The museum’s director Hartwig Fischer said: “Culture gives comfort in times of turmoil, it unites us and makes us understand what it means to be human. As the world grapples with this current crisis, I am glad that so many people are coming to the website and online collections of the British Museum.”
You really should have posted a link; I’m not sure deevs is aware that this site exists.
roffle.
Arts said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:When I said eggs I was referring to the offwhite things that come out of an avian cloaca.
Are there still Easter eggs there?
There are Easter eggs everywhere.
It’s the one thing people aren’t stocking up on
or hot cross buns as well.
Woodie said:
Arts said:
Bubblecar said:There are Easter eggs everywhere.
It’s the one thing people aren’t stocking up on
or hot cross buns as well.
They know there isn’t a chance of a shortage.
5m ago 10:57
Alex Hern
Alex Hern
YouTube has followed Netflix’s lead in reducing video quality across Europe, according to a Reuters report, to help the continent’s internet service providers cope with the increased usage as social distancing continues.
All YouTube videos will now play in standard definition by default for viewers in the EU, a move which should substantially reduce the bandwidth used by visitors to the Google-owned website.
The decision follows Netflix’s announcement that it would reduce the quality of its own streams, lowering its impact by 25% overall. Both companies were asked by the EU’s industry commissioner Thierry Breton to take action, amid concerns that networks could collapse if most people who would have been outside in the evening are instead at home consuming video content.
Initial fears about broadband capacity rested on the rise in remote working, which led to speculation that residential broadband networks would not be able to cope. But in practice, daytime peaks have risen, while still remaining well below a typical evening peak.
It is not yet clear if YouTube’s decision covers the UK; Netflix applied its own downgrade to Britain as well as the wider EU.
The move comes on the day YouTube launched a special section of its site for verified Covid-19 news.
Every user’s homepage now features a selection of videos from trusted local sources, including the Guardian, on the outbreak. The company has struggled to control the flow of misinformation around coronavirus, initially responding by “demonetising” any video on the topic to remove the incentive to sensationalise the story, but later reversing course in order to help fund well-made, accurate content.
in other breaking news Australian authorities realise that the argument that “having to look after children at home will affect the ability of 30% of the health workforce to work” applies even during school holidays, leading to speculation among teachers that in complete divergence from best practice literally everywhere else in the world, the Department of Education will cancel school holidays due to begin in 3 weeks
SCIENCE said:
in other breaking news Australian authorities realise that the argument that “having to look after children at home will affect the ability of 30% of the health workforce to work” applies even during school holidays, leading to speculation among teachers that in complete divergence from best practice literally everywhere else in the world, the Department of Education will cancel school holidays due to begin in 3 weeks
You’re really taking showing up to work with virus-ridden children hard…
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
in other breaking news Australian authorities realise that the argument that “having to look after children at home will affect the ability of 30% of the health workforce to work” applies even during school holidays, leading to speculation among teachers that in complete divergence from best practice literally everywhere else in the world, the Department of Education will cancel school holidays due to begin in 3 weeks
You’re really taking showing up to work with virus-ridden children hard…
we make online education software, actually this virus is good news for our products, that’s why we support partial school closures
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
in other breaking news Australian authorities realise that the argument that “having to look after children at home will affect the ability of 30% of the health workforce to work” applies even during school holidays, leading to speculation among teachers that in complete divergence from best practice literally everywhere else in the world, the Department of Education will cancel school holidays due to begin in 3 weeks
You’re really taking showing up to work with virus-ridden children hard…
we make online education software, actually this virus is good news for our products, that’s why we support partial school closures
ah
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You’re really taking showing up to work with virus-ridden children hard…
we make online education software, actually this virus is good news for our products, that’s why we support partial school closures
ah
lol jokes the honest truth is that we do it for free and actually we prefer face to face teaching but we’re prepared to do it online until this thing blows over because it’s just fkn safer
A Guardian Angel (friend of wife) just dropped in a stack of tucker: 20 chicken drumsticks, bag of apples, sausages, noodles, 2 dozen eggs, and a 10 kg sack of rice.
I didn’t ask where it came from, I assume it is all black market, but damn.
dv said:
A Guardian Angel (friend of wife) just dropped in a stack of tucker: 20 chicken drumsticks, bag of apples, sausages, noodles, 2 dozen eggs, and a 10 kg sack of rice.
I didn’t ask where it came from, I assume it is all black market, but damn.
She probably ran the gauntlet down Boris’s neck of the wood. There won’t be a second time…
dv said:
A Guardian Angel (friend of wife) just dropped in a stack of tucker: 20 chicken drumsticks, bag of apples, sausages, noodles, 2 dozen eggs, and a 10 kg sack of rice.
I didn’t ask where it came from, I assume it is all black market, but damn.
10kg rice should last you through the next few pandemics.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
A Guardian Angel (friend of wife) just dropped in a stack of tucker: 20 chicken drumsticks, bag of apples, sausages, noodles, 2 dozen eggs, and a 10 kg sack of rice.
I didn’t ask where it came from, I assume it is all black market, but damn.
She probably ran the gauntlet down Boris’s neck of the wood. There won’t be a second time…
Long pig next time. we have to eat…
dv said:
A Guardian Angel (friend of wife) just dropped in a stack of tucker: 20 chicken drumsticks, bag of apples, sausages, noodles, 2 dozen eggs, and a 10 kg sack of rice.
I didn’t ask where it came from, I assume it is all black market, but damn.
Yes!!!
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
A Guardian Angel (friend of wife) just dropped in a stack of tucker: 20 chicken drumsticks, bag of apples, sausages, noodles, 2 dozen eggs, and a 10 kg sack of rice.
I didn’t ask where it came from, I assume it is all black market, but damn.
10kg rice should last you through the next few pandemics.
Quite. I estimate we would normally go through a kg in 3 weeks.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
A Guardian Angel (friend of wife) just dropped in a stack of tucker: 20 chicken drumsticks, bag of apples, sausages, noodles, 2 dozen eggs, and a 10 kg sack of rice.
I didn’t ask where it came from, I assume it is all black market, but damn.
10kg rice should last you through the next few pandemics.
I wonder what would happen to your tummy if you ate a handful of uncooked rice.
I hear it makes seagulls explode…
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
A Guardian Angel (friend of wife) just dropped in a stack of tucker: 20 chicken drumsticks, bag of apples, sausages, noodles, 2 dozen eggs, and a 10 kg sack of rice.
I didn’t ask where it came from, I assume it is all black market, but damn.
10kg rice should last you through the next few pandemics.
I wonder what would happen to your tummy if you ate a handful of uncooked rice.
That sounds like an experiment waiting to happen, Pete.
furious said:
- I wonder what would happen to your tummy if you ate a handful of uncooked rice.
I hear it makes seagulls explode…
Isn’t that Aspirin?
Rule 303 said:
furious said:
- I wonder what would happen to your tummy if you ate a handful of uncooked rice.
I hear it makes seagulls explode…
Isn’t that Aspirin?
Mentos?
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
A Guardian Angel (friend of wife) just dropped in a stack of tucker: 20 chicken drumsticks, bag of apples, sausages, noodles, 2 dozen eggs, and a 10 kg sack of rice.
I didn’t ask where it came from, I assume it is all black market, but damn.
10kg rice should last you through the next few pandemics.
I wonder what would happen to your tummy if you ate a handful of uncooked rice.
Do the experiment
dv said:
A Guardian Angel (friend of wife) just dropped in a stack of tucker: 20 chicken drumsticks, bag of apples, sausages, noodles, 2 dozen eggs, and a 10 kg sack of rice.
I didn’t ask where it came from, I assume it is all black market, but damn.
That’s nice. Good on them.
:)
US box office drops 97% year-on-year on Wednesday to reach historic low
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7m ago 12:57
The governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, has tweeted that the US states of New York, Connecticut, New Jersey and Pennsylvania are too close all barber shops, nail and hair salons, tattoo shops, and similar services from tomorrow at 8pm.
38m ago 12:27
Summary
Worldwide death toll passes 10,000
There have been more than 10,000 deaths from Covid-19 around the world, roughly two-thirds of which have occurred in China and Italy, and more than 240,000 cases of the virus have been confirmed. There have been 205 deaths in the US, 144 in the UK and seven in Australia, as a result of the outbreak.
“India shutting down most of Mumbai
All shops and offices in India’s financial capital, Mumbai – except banks and those providing essential services – are to be closed until the end of the month of March.
The state of Maharashtra has more confirmed coronavirus cases than any other state in India, where the current confirmed total is over 220.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news/12072680
Michael V said:
“India shutting down most of MumbaiAll shops and offices in India’s financial capital, Mumbai – except banks and those providing essential services – are to be closed until the end of the month of March.
The state of Maharashtra has more confirmed coronavirus cases than any other state in India, where the current confirmed total is over 220.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news/12072680
Wasn’t someone here saying just recently that India has it all under control.
26s ago 13:23
Kim Willsher
Kim Willsher
The authorities on the French Riviera are using a drone fitted with a loudspeaker to instruct people to “stay home.”
The drone overflew Nice this morning and has been deployed over Cannes this afternoon.
“Remember the instructions regarding the Covid-19 epidemic. All movements outside the home are banned except where there is a derogation,” was the message.
“Please respect a safe distance of at least one metre between each other,” it added.
The device is being piloted by a local drone business run by former police officer Sabri Ben Hassen.
“For the moment, we’ve only one and it’s sending out the message with a 100 decibel speaker. To give some idea, an Airbus produces 120 decibels when it is taking off,” Ben Hassen, 33, told AFP.
The operation was commissioned by the local police prefect.
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It’s a bit ‘bed sitting room.’
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
“India shutting down most of MumbaiAll shops and offices in India’s financial capital, Mumbai – except banks and those providing essential services – are to be closed until the end of the month of March.
The state of Maharashtra has more confirmed coronavirus cases than any other state in India, where the current confirmed total is over 220.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news/12072680
Wasn’t someone here saying just recently that India has it all under control.
Not that I know of. sm and buffy were concerned that India had only a few cases.
I wonder if at the end of this we’ll get “click and collect” supermarkets opening up in industrial areas rather than shopping malls. I’ve worked in a couple of places that have a pretty funky shelf locations and picking list systems. Maybe the picking could be done more efficiently by trained pickers. Inside the place could be set up as a warehouse, totally no frills, all the frills on the app or website. Get an email or SMS when ready to pick up your order. Have a drive-thru system for pickup. Possibly tag on a delivery service. No customers allowed inside the warehouse to select their own goods. Exclude fruit and veg I guess, customers will have to get fresh fruit and veg somewhere else. Everything else in packets.
Darker the colour, deeper the lockdown.
Fascinating map of global #coronavirus coronavirus countermeasures ( compiled by @O_LJ )
https://twitter.com/BenQuinn75/status/1241002696666157057
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A map showing the differing levels of countermeasures has been compiled by Olivier Lejeune, an analyst at the International Energy Agency (IEA).
It includes the latest decisions by Argentina and California to impose a full curfew. Lejeune has tried his best to keep it accurate for every country in the world.
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10m ago 01:00 Bavaria to impose curfews from Saturday morning Philip OltermannPhilip Oltermann
Bavaria is going to impose curfews from Saturday morning in an attempt to further curb the spread of Corvid-19 in the southernmost German state.
From midnight on Friday people in Bavaria will only be allowed to leave their homes if they can show their trip outside is strictly necessary, such as commuting to work, vital shopping, doctors appointments or seeing people who require care.
“We’re shutting down public life almost completely,” Bavarian state premier Markus Söder said.
The conservative politician justified the further restriction of free movement by pointing to the latest spike in figure: confirmed Covid-19 cases in Bavaria rose by 35% from Thursday to Friday, with number of deaths rising to 15. Söder also said appeals for people to voluntarily curtail their movement had not worked.
People would still be allowed outside to go for runs and walks, Söder said, adding “fresh air is good for you”. People are advised to do so on their own or within family groups, with police advised to hand out fines for non-compliance.
Hoarding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFb5vZ7GDnM
friendlyjordies blames the Liberal party and laughs at the fact that the streets are becoming empty of people over 30.
sarahs mum said:
Darker the colour, deeper the lockdown.
So I have read
sarahs mum said:
38m ago 12:27
Summary
Worldwide death toll passes 10,000There have been more than 10,000 deaths from Covid-19 around the world, roughly two-thirds of which have occurred in China and Italy, and more than 240,000 cases of the virus have been confirmed. There have been 205 deaths in the US, 144 in the UK and seven in Australia, as a result of the outbreak.
Such a long way to go.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Darker the colour, deeper the lockdown.
So I have read
Do you need your own blackspot on the map?
sibeen said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Darker the colour, deeper the lockdown.
So I have read
Do you need your own blackspot on the map?
Spinal tap ref
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:So I have read
Do you need your own blackspot on the map?
Spinal tap ref
Oh, OK.
It’s after 11, I best be off.
Megan Cambell’s parents appear to be completely stuck. They live 1.5 hours from a supermarket, so they normally do one big shop every 2 weeks. They drove in this week and there was zero meat, obv no toilet paper, and they were only allowed to buy 2 L of milk.
dv said:
Megan Cambell’s parents appear to be completely stuck. They live 1.5 hours from a supermarket, so they normally do one big shop every 2 weeks. They drove in this week and there was zero meat, obv no toilet paper, and they were only allowed to buy 2 L of milk.
And they can’t be very young or spry.
I was just thinking about it as you posted. David O’byrne, the local state member, Franklin Labor….emailed and asked what his people wanted. And I was thinking I would tell him that I want my Coles delivery back.
3m ago 15:18
The luxury London store Harrods, which stayed open throughout the bombing during the second world war, has announced it is shutting.
It will keep open its Food Halls and pharmacy, but the rest of the department store will no longer be out.
The welfare of our community of colleagues, customers and partners has been our absolute priority throughout this time of uncertainty,” managing director Michael Ward said in a statement.It will close from 7pm (1900 GMT), 20 March.
23s ago 15:25
A major London hospital has declared a “critical incident” due to a surge in patients with coronavirus, HSJ reports.
In a message to staff, Northwick Park Hospital in Harrow said it has no critical care capacity left and was contacting neighbouring hospitals to discuss transferring patients who need critical care to other sites.
The message, sent last night, said:
I am writing to let you know that we have this evening declared a ‘critical incident’ in relation to our critical care capacity at Northwick Park Hospital. This is due to an increasing number of patients with Covid-19.
This means that we currently do not have enough space for patients requiring critical care.
As part of our system resilience plans, we have contacted our partners in the North West London sector this evening to assist with the safe transfer of patients off of the Northwick Park site.
sarahs mum said:
23s ago 15:25A major London hospital has declared a “critical incident” due to a surge in patients with coronavirus, HSJ reports.
In a message to staff, Northwick Park Hospital in Harrow said it has no critical care capacity left and was contacting neighbouring hospitals to discuss transferring patients who need critical care to other sites.
The message, sent last night, said:
I am writing to let you know that we have this evening declared a ‘critical incident’ in relation to our critical care capacity at Northwick Park Hospital. This is due to an increasing number of patients with Covid-19.
This means that we currently do not have enough space for patients requiring critical care.
As part of our system resilience plans, we have contacted our partners in the North West London sector this evening to assist with the safe transfer of patients off of the Northwick Park site.
England are fucked anyway.
dv said:
Megan Cambell’s parents appear to be completely stuck. They live 1.5 hours from a supermarket, so they normally do one big shop every 2 weeks. They drove in this week and there was zero meat, obv no toilet paper, and they were only allowed to buy 2 L of milk.
With apologies if this doesn’t sound terribly sympathetic, under what circumstance does a 1.5 hour travel leave one ‘completely stuck’?
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
Megan Cambell’s parents appear to be completely stuck. They live 1.5 hours from a supermarket, so they normally do one big shop every 2 weeks. They drove in this week and there was zero meat, obv no toilet paper, and they were only allowed to buy 2 L of milk.
With apologies if this doesn’t sound terribly sympathetic, under what circumstance does a 1.5 hour travel leave one ‘completely stuck’?
Well, they don’t have any groceries or toilet paper despite a 3 hour round trip, and have no other means of obtaining them, and have run out of stuff. It’s not exactly a great situation is it.
dv said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
Megan Cambell’s parents appear to be completely stuck. They live 1.5 hours from a supermarket, so they normally do one big shop every 2 weeks. They drove in this week and there was zero meat, obv no toilet paper, and they were only allowed to buy 2 L of milk.
With apologies if this doesn’t sound terribly sympathetic, under what circumstance does a 1.5 hour travel leave one ‘completely stuck’?
Well, they don’t have any groceries or toilet paper despite a 3 hour round trip, and have no other means of obtaining them, and have run out of stuff. It’s not exactly a great situation is it.
so where is there that they live?
5m ago 15:45
Jordan has announced round-the-clock curfew from Saturday morning until further notice to battle the coronavirus outbreak, the government announced.
The exceptional measure, to be applied for an indefinite period, was taken after “citizens did not respect directives” calling on them not to leave their homes except for extreme emergencies, government spokesman Amjad Adayleh said.
He warned that lack of compliance with the curfew would result in “immediate imprisonment, which will not exceed one year”.
dv said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
Megan Cambell’s parents appear to be completely stuck. They live 1.5 hours from a supermarket, so they normally do one big shop every 2 weeks. They drove in this week and there was zero meat, obv no toilet paper, and they were only allowed to buy 2 L of milk.
With apologies if this doesn’t sound terribly sympathetic, under what circumstance does a 1.5 hour travel leave one ‘completely stuck’?
Well, they don’t have any groceries or toilet paper despite a 3 hour round trip, and have no other means of obtaining them, and have run out of stuff. It’s not exactly a great situation is it.
No. Running out of stuff is bad news. Do you have any sense of what hardship they are in?
FTR, I haven’t seen a roll of toilet paper on a supermarket shelf for about four weeks.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Rule 303 said:With apologies if this doesn’t sound terribly sympathetic, under what circumstance does a 1.5 hour travel leave one ‘completely stuck’?
Well, they don’t have any groceries or toilet paper despite a 3 hour round trip, and have no other means of obtaining them, and have run out of stuff. It’s not exactly a great situation is it.
so where is there that they live?
A remote location in northern NSW. Can’t remember the name but I can find out.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:Well, they don’t have any groceries or toilet paper despite a 3 hour round trip, and have no other means of obtaining them, and have run out of stuff. It’s not exactly a great situation is it.
so where is there that they live?
A remote location in northern NSW. Can’t remember the name but I can find out.
I’ve messaged meg. I’m sure Meg or the pigman can get something done. But I am sure I know someone who knows someone. I’ve got girlfriends with CWA connections…that sort of thing…
Tasmania, Australia
Confirmed: 10
Deaths: 0
Recovered: 3
Active: 7
5m ago 14:34
Hospitals in Paris are scrambling to find more intensive care beds, ventilators and medical staff ahead of an expected spike in the number of coronavirus patients in coming days, with the figure expected to peak in April, doctors said.
Coronavirus cases in Paris and its suburbs now account for about a quarter of the 11,000 cases across France, and has about 250 now in intensive care, up from just 50 five days ago. The death toll in all France as of Friday evening stood at 450.
“We are working at full speed to ramp up the number of intensive care beds,” Antoine Vieillard-Baron, head of the surgical and medical Intensive Care Unit (ICU) of the University Hospital Ambroise Pare, told a conference call with reporters.
sarahs mum said:
5m ago 14:34Hospitals in Paris are scrambling to find more intensive care beds, ventilators and medical staff ahead of an expected spike in the number of coronavirus patients in coming days, with the figure expected to peak in April, doctors said.
Coronavirus cases in Paris and its suburbs now account for about a quarter of the 11,000 cases across France, and has about 250 now in intensive care, up from just 50 five days ago. The death toll in all France as of Friday evening stood at 450.
“We are working at full speed to ramp up the number of intensive care beds,” Antoine Vieillard-Baron, head of the surgical and medical Intensive Care Unit (ICU) of the University Hospital Ambroise Pare, told a conference call with reporters.
wonder if that’ll scare anyone pretending their pissweak control measures are adequate
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597
this will mean 10 hours a day will be dedicated to cleaning.
“We’ve also upgraded to hospital-grade disinfectant and are focusing on regular cleaning of counters and other surfaces,” said Mr Banducci.
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Ha! Every supermarket I’ve worked in had a strict “no hospital grade” rule. Hospital grade is not food safe. We needed to use only food grade stuff.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597
In Italy they have 4000 deaths and 5000 recovered, what death rate is that using the DV method ~42% ?
Tried nine stores looking to buy a thermometer – all sold out.
What do you think of my coronavirus mask, shown below? How can I improve it?
mollwollfumble said:
Tried nine stores looking to buy a thermometer – all sold out.What do you think of my coronavirus mask, shown below? How can I improve it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDj3DVWK5QU
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/
Peak Warming Man said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597
In Italy they have 4000 deaths and 5000 recovered, what death rate is that using the DV method ~42% ?
It’s terrible but the strange this is that Italy just isn’t recording a lot of recoveries. Normally you either die, or recover within 14 days. Looking at the stats, people in Italy are staying “active” cases longer than elsewhere.
In the shops got toilet paper fought off many people to get it and bloody and bruised but
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597
In Italy they have 4000 deaths and 5000 recovered, what death rate is that using the DV method ~42% ?
It’s terrible but the strange this is that Italy just isn’t recording a lot of recoveries. Normally you either die, or recover within 14 days. Looking at the stats, people in Italy are staying “active” cases longer than elsewhere.
some articles are suggesting now under-50s are actually getting more severe illness as well, seems to fit with the hygiene-versus-virulence hypothesis, and implies that poor epidemic control generates a double-whammy that really would embarrass the “herd immunity” idea
Cymek said:
In the shops got toilet paper fought off many people to get it and bloody and bruised but
You’ll probably be the only person on the train on Monday with a clean butt.
here we are, the import that they scoffed at
SCIENCE said:
here we are, the import that they scoffed at
There are 928 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Australia.
Here is a state-by-state breakdown of confirmed coronavirus cases:
NSW: 383 (six deaths)
Victoria: 229
Queensland: 184
WA: 64 (one death)
SA: 50
Tasmania: 11
ACT: 6
NT: 3
The figures come from state and territory databases of confirmed COVID-19 cases. The latest update was at 11:00am AEDT on Saturday, March 21.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news/12076878
Rapidly approaching 1,000 cases. Two days ago, it was around 600 cases.
We were down to our last beer yesterday but I let my wife drink it
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-rise-to-229-as-police-run-checks/12077596
The casino had an exemption from social gathering rules…FMD.
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-rise-to-229-as-police-run-checks/12077596The casino had an exemption from social gathering rules…FMD.
Going to Crown was a gamble you say?
dv said:
We were down to our last beer yesterday but I let my wife drink it
Awwwww.
“A worker at an after-school care program on the Gold Coast has tested positive for coronavirus, forcing all students to self-isolate for a fortnight.
Helensvale State Primary School has written a letter to parents saying the employee of YMCA Helensvale returned the positive result yesterday and was at work on Wednesday.
“It is understood that they had some sign of illness in the days prior,” the letter, obtained by the ABC, said.
All students and staff must now be quarantined, and the centre is expected to be closed for the rest of the term.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-cases-queensland-coronavirus-gold-coast-child-care/12070906
People have been specifically asked not to go to work, and to self-isolate if symptomatic. This person didn’t. Mung-Bean, Bar-Steward.
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-rise-to-229-as-police-run-checks/12077596The casino had an exemption from social gathering rules…FMD.
‘cause Crown, Corona, ‘course
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-rise-to-229-as-police-run-checks/12077596The casino had an exemption from social gathering rules…FMD.
Going to Crown was a gamble you say?
well we aren’t exactly rolling in it
Michael V said:
“A worker at an after-school care program on the Gold Coast has tested positive for coronavirus, forcing all students to self-isolate for a fortnight.Helensvale State Primary School has written a letter to parents saying the employee of YMCA Helensvale returned the positive result yesterday and was at work on Wednesday.
“It is understood that they had some sign of illness in the days prior,” the letter, obtained by the ABC, said.
All students and staff must now be quarantined, and the centre is expected to be closed for the rest of the term.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-cases-queensland-coronavirus-gold-coast-child-care/12070906
People have been specifically asked not to go to work, and to self-isolate if symptomatic. This person didn’t. Mung-Bean, Bar-Steward.
maybe the government have realised that multiple, unplanned, sudden school closures are somehow better than planned, coordinated, organised school closures
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-rise-to-229-as-police-run-checks/12077596The casino had an exemption from social gathering rules…FMD.
Not any more apparently, Beeny Boy. To what extent they do not have an exemption, they didn’t say.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
“A worker at an after-school care program on the Gold Coast has tested positive for coronavirus, forcing all students to self-isolate for a fortnight.Helensvale State Primary School has written a letter to parents saying the employee of YMCA Helensvale returned the positive result yesterday and was at work on Wednesday.
“It is understood that they had some sign of illness in the days prior,” the letter, obtained by the ABC, said.
All students and staff must now be quarantined, and the centre is expected to be closed for the rest of the term.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-cases-queensland-coronavirus-gold-coast-child-care/12070906
People have been specifically asked not to go to work, and to self-isolate if symptomatic. This person didn’t. Mung-Bean, Bar-Steward.
maybe the government have realised that multiple, unplanned, sudden school closures are somehow better than planned, coordinated, organised school closures
Seems so the current guidance is;
“The best way to prevent transmission of COVID-19 in schools is through the promotion of correct hand hygiene habits and cough/sneeze etiquette. Children or staff with upper respiratory tract illness should not attend school while symptomatic. If a child or staff member becomes ill with upper respiratory tract symptoms, they should be isolated from other students and sent home as soon as possible.Contact tracing or management of school outbreaks may require temporary full or partial school closures; however, closures are not generally recommended as a reactive measure on public health grounds”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-impossible-mother-tirade-remote-schooling
Click on her rant, it’s grouse :)
I am being inundated by spam inviting me to engage in bitcoin speculation during my iso.
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-rise-to-229-as-police-run-checks/12077596The casino had an exemption from social gathering rules…FMD.
money laundering is important.
cunt
dv said:
cunt
nods
Michael V said:
dv said:
cunt
nods
Trump viciously attacks NBC News reporter in extended rant after being asked for message to Americans worried about coronavirus
New York (CNN Business)In an extraordinary exchange on Friday, President Donald Trump viciously attacked an NBC News reporter who asked what his message would be to Americans who are frightened by the coronavirus pandemic that is spreading across the country.
The exchange, which occurred at the White House’s daily coronavirus task force briefing, began when NBC News reporter Peter Alexander asked Trump whether he was giving Americans “false hope” by touting unproven coronavirus drugs.
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China's
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China’s
Toward the end of the exchange, Alexander cited the latest pandemic statistics showing thousands of Americans are now infected and millions are scared.
Alexander asked, “What do you say to Americans who are scared?”
Trump, shaking his head, ripped into Alexander in response.
“I say that you are a terrible reporter,” Trump replied. “That’s what I say.”
The President proceeded to launch into an extended rant against Alexander, saying he asked a “nasty question” and assailing NBC and its parent company, Comcast.
“You’re doing sensationalism,” Trump charged. “And the same with NBC and Comcast. I don’t call it Comcast. I call it ‘Con-Cast.’”
“Let me just tell you something,” Trump added. “That’s really bad reporting. And you ought to get back to reporting instead of sensationalism.”
Moments later, Kaitlan Collins, a White House correspondent for CNN, asked Trump if it was appropriate to embark on tirades against members of the news media during a public health crisis.
“You see yourself as a wartime President right now, leading the country through a pandemic that we are experiencing,” Collins noted. “Do you think going off on Peter, going off on a network is appropriate when the country is going through something like this?”
Trump defended his verbal assault on Alexander, saying he’s “not a good journalist” and launching into another rant against him.
“Coming together is much harder when we have dishonest journalists,” Trump said.
Alexander said in a statement that he was “trying to provide the president an opportunity to reassure the millions of Americans, members of my own family and my neighbors and my community and plenty of people sitting at home, this was his opportunity to do that, to provide a positive or uplifting message. Instead, you saw the president’s answer to that question right now.”
“The bottom line is, this is a president whose experiences in life are very different than most Americans across this country right now,” Alexander said. “Not a person who likely worries about finances or had, not a person who in the course of his life is worried about his future, not a person who is worried about where to find a paycheck for his bills or for his rent and as evidenced by the president suggesting that an opportunity to provide for American some reassurance about how they should feel right now, the president instead took it out on me.”
Chuck Todd, Alexander’s NBC News colleague and host of “Meet the Press,” weighed on the matter, praising him for his “professionalism.”
“I wish people on the on the other side of the podium had the same professionalism as well, so thank you, Peter,” Todd said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/20/media/trump-rant-at-nbc-news-peter-alexander/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Kx_XftwO5VvNnpfBnRHrKIlCMjGyvPutm-myiU9OhhTJrR2yL0vIFhU0
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
cunt
nods
Trump viciously attacks NBC News reporter in extended rant after being asked for message to Americans worried about coronavirus
New York (CNN Business)In an extraordinary exchange on Friday, President Donald Trump viciously attacked an NBC News reporter who asked what his message would be to Americans who are frightened by the coronavirus pandemic that is spreading across the country.
The exchange, which occurred at the White House’s daily coronavirus task force briefing, began when NBC News reporter Peter Alexander asked Trump whether he was giving Americans “false hope” by touting unproven coronavirus drugs.
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China's
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China’s
Toward the end of the exchange, Alexander cited the latest pandemic statistics showing thousands of Americans are now infected and millions are scared.
Alexander asked, “What do you say to Americans who are scared?”
Trump, shaking his head, ripped into Alexander in response.
“I say that you are a terrible reporter,” Trump replied. “That’s what I say.”
The President proceeded to launch into an extended rant against Alexander, saying he asked a “nasty question” and assailing NBC and its parent company, Comcast.
“You’re doing sensationalism,” Trump charged. “And the same with NBC and Comcast. I don’t call it Comcast. I call it ‘Con-Cast.’”
“Let me just tell you something,” Trump added. “That’s really bad reporting. And you ought to get back to reporting instead of sensationalism.”
Moments later, Kaitlan Collins, a White House correspondent for CNN, asked Trump if it was appropriate to embark on tirades against members of the news media during a public health crisis.
“You see yourself as a wartime President right now, leading the country through a pandemic that we are experiencing,” Collins noted. “Do you think going off on Peter, going off on a network is appropriate when the country is going through something like this?”
Trump defended his verbal assault on Alexander, saying he’s “not a good journalist” and launching into another rant against him.
“Coming together is much harder when we have dishonest journalists,” Trump said.
Alexander said in a statement that he was “trying to provide the president an opportunity to reassure the millions of Americans, members of my own family and my neighbors and my community and plenty of people sitting at home, this was his opportunity to do that, to provide a positive or uplifting message. Instead, you saw the president’s answer to that question right now.”
“The bottom line is, this is a president whose experiences in life are very different than most Americans across this country right now,” Alexander said. “Not a person who likely worries about finances or had, not a person who in the course of his life is worried about his future, not a person who is worried about where to find a paycheck for his bills or for his rent and as evidenced by the president suggesting that an opportunity to provide for American some reassurance about how they should feel right now, the president instead took it out on me.”
Chuck Todd, Alexander’s NBC News colleague and host of “Meet the Press,” weighed on the matter, praising him for his “professionalism.”
“I wish people on the on the other side of the podium had the same professionalism as well, so thank you, Peter,” Todd said.https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/20/media/trump-rant-at-nbc-news-peter-alexander/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Kx_XftwO5VvNnpfBnRHrKIlCMjGyvPutm-myiU9OhhTJrR2yL0vIFhU0
Trump reminds me of an abusive drunk.
Donald Trump is speaking now.
I only caught the start of it.
Trump-: I tell ya the other day this bloke came up to me……………………
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
cunt
nods
Trump viciously attacks NBC News reporter in extended rant after being asked for message to Americans worried about coronavirus
New York (CNN Business)In an extraordinary exchange on Friday, President Donald Trump viciously attacked an NBC News reporter who asked what his message would be to Americans who are frightened by the coronavirus pandemic that is spreading across the country.
The exchange, which occurred at the White House’s daily coronavirus task force briefing, began when NBC News reporter Peter Alexander asked Trump whether he was giving Americans “false hope” by touting unproven coronavirus drugs.
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China's
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China’s
Toward the end of the exchange, Alexander cited the latest pandemic statistics showing thousands of Americans are now infected and millions are scared.
Alexander asked, “What do you say to Americans who are scared?”
Trump, shaking his head, ripped into Alexander in response.
“I say that you are a terrible reporter,” Trump replied. “That’s what I say.”
The President proceeded to launch into an extended rant against Alexander, saying he asked a “nasty question” and assailing NBC and its parent company, Comcast.
“You’re doing sensationalism,” Trump charged. “And the same with NBC and Comcast. I don’t call it Comcast. I call it ‘Con-Cast.’”
“Let me just tell you something,” Trump added. “That’s really bad reporting. And you ought to get back to reporting instead of sensationalism.”
Moments later, Kaitlan Collins, a White House correspondent for CNN, asked Trump if it was appropriate to embark on tirades against members of the news media during a public health crisis.
“You see yourself as a wartime President right now, leading the country through a pandemic that we are experiencing,” Collins noted. “Do you think going off on Peter, going off on a network is appropriate when the country is going through something like this?”
Trump defended his verbal assault on Alexander, saying he’s “not a good journalist” and launching into another rant against him.
“Coming together is much harder when we have dishonest journalists,” Trump said.
Alexander said in a statement that he was “trying to provide the president an opportunity to reassure the millions of Americans, members of my own family and my neighbors and my community and plenty of people sitting at home, this was his opportunity to do that, to provide a positive or uplifting message. Instead, you saw the president’s answer to that question right now.”
“The bottom line is, this is a president whose experiences in life are very different than most Americans across this country right now,” Alexander said. “Not a person who likely worries about finances or had, not a person who in the course of his life is worried about his future, not a person who is worried about where to find a paycheck for his bills or for his rent and as evidenced by the president suggesting that an opportunity to provide for American some reassurance about how they should feel right now, the president instead took it out on me.”
Chuck Todd, Alexander’s NBC News colleague and host of “Meet the Press,” weighed on the matter, praising him for his “professionalism.”
“I wish people on the on the other side of the podium had the same professionalism as well, so thank you, Peter,” Todd said.https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/20/media/trump-rant-at-nbc-news-peter-alexander/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Kx_XftwO5VvNnpfBnRHrKIlCMjGyvPutm-myiU9OhhTJrR2yL0vIFhU0
Hey-Zeuss!
What a dangerous prat.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:nods
Trump viciously attacks NBC News reporter in extended rant after being asked for message to Americans worried about coronavirus
New York (CNN Business)In an extraordinary exchange on Friday, President Donald Trump viciously attacked an NBC News reporter who asked what his message would be to Americans who are frightened by the coronavirus pandemic that is spreading across the country.
The exchange, which occurred at the White House’s daily coronavirus task force briefing, began when NBC News reporter Peter Alexander asked Trump whether he was giving Americans “false hope” by touting unproven coronavirus drugs.
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China's
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China’s
Toward the end of the exchange, Alexander cited the latest pandemic statistics showing thousands of Americans are now infected and millions are scared.
Alexander asked, “What do you say to Americans who are scared?”
Trump, shaking his head, ripped into Alexander in response.
“I say that you are a terrible reporter,” Trump replied. “That’s what I say.”
The President proceeded to launch into an extended rant against Alexander, saying he asked a “nasty question” and assailing NBC and its parent company, Comcast.
“You’re doing sensationalism,” Trump charged. “And the same with NBC and Comcast. I don’t call it Comcast. I call it ‘Con-Cast.’”
“Let me just tell you something,” Trump added. “That’s really bad reporting. And you ought to get back to reporting instead of sensationalism.”
Moments later, Kaitlan Collins, a White House correspondent for CNN, asked Trump if it was appropriate to embark on tirades against members of the news media during a public health crisis.
“You see yourself as a wartime President right now, leading the country through a pandemic that we are experiencing,” Collins noted. “Do you think going off on Peter, going off on a network is appropriate when the country is going through something like this?”
Trump defended his verbal assault on Alexander, saying he’s “not a good journalist” and launching into another rant against him.
“Coming together is much harder when we have dishonest journalists,” Trump said.
Alexander said in a statement that he was “trying to provide the president an opportunity to reassure the millions of Americans, members of my own family and my neighbors and my community and plenty of people sitting at home, this was his opportunity to do that, to provide a positive or uplifting message. Instead, you saw the president’s answer to that question right now.”
“The bottom line is, this is a president whose experiences in life are very different than most Americans across this country right now,” Alexander said. “Not a person who likely worries about finances or had, not a person who in the course of his life is worried about his future, not a person who is worried about where to find a paycheck for his bills or for his rent and as evidenced by the president suggesting that an opportunity to provide for American some reassurance about how they should feel right now, the president instead took it out on me.”
Chuck Todd, Alexander’s NBC News colleague and host of “Meet the Press,” weighed on the matter, praising him for his “professionalism.”
“I wish people on the on the other side of the podium had the same professionalism as well, so thank you, Peter,” Todd said.https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/20/media/trump-rant-at-nbc-news-peter-alexander/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Kx_XftwO5VvNnpfBnRHrKIlCMjGyvPutm-myiU9OhhTJrR2yL0vIFhU0
Hey-Zeuss!
What a dangerous prat.
How is his approval level 43%? What kind of grub approves of this?
Kaloo kalay, Woolworths online ordering is going to be available for people on iso.
dv said:
Kaloo kalay, Woolworths online ordering is going to be available for people on iso.
Goodo.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Trump viciously attacks NBC News reporter in extended rant after being asked for message to Americans worried about coronavirus
New York (CNN Business)In an extraordinary exchange on Friday, President Donald Trump viciously attacked an NBC News reporter who asked what his message would be to Americans who are frightened by the coronavirus pandemic that is spreading across the country.
The exchange, which occurred at the White House’s daily coronavirus task force briefing, began when NBC News reporter Peter Alexander asked Trump whether he was giving Americans “false hope” by touting unproven coronavirus drugs.
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China's
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China’s
Toward the end of the exchange, Alexander cited the latest pandemic statistics showing thousands of Americans are now infected and millions are scared.
Alexander asked, “What do you say to Americans who are scared?”
Trump, shaking his head, ripped into Alexander in response.
“I say that you are a terrible reporter,” Trump replied. “That’s what I say.”
The President proceeded to launch into an extended rant against Alexander, saying he asked a “nasty question” and assailing NBC and its parent company, Comcast.
“You’re doing sensationalism,” Trump charged. “And the same with NBC and Comcast. I don’t call it Comcast. I call it ‘Con-Cast.’”
“Let me just tell you something,” Trump added. “That’s really bad reporting. And you ought to get back to reporting instead of sensationalism.”
Moments later, Kaitlan Collins, a White House correspondent for CNN, asked Trump if it was appropriate to embark on tirades against members of the news media during a public health crisis.
“You see yourself as a wartime President right now, leading the country through a pandemic that we are experiencing,” Collins noted. “Do you think going off on Peter, going off on a network is appropriate when the country is going through something like this?”
Trump defended his verbal assault on Alexander, saying he’s “not a good journalist” and launching into another rant against him.
“Coming together is much harder when we have dishonest journalists,” Trump said.
Alexander said in a statement that he was “trying to provide the president an opportunity to reassure the millions of Americans, members of my own family and my neighbors and my community and plenty of people sitting at home, this was his opportunity to do that, to provide a positive or uplifting message. Instead, you saw the president’s answer to that question right now.”
“The bottom line is, this is a president whose experiences in life are very different than most Americans across this country right now,” Alexander said. “Not a person who likely worries about finances or had, not a person who in the course of his life is worried about his future, not a person who is worried about where to find a paycheck for his bills or for his rent and as evidenced by the president suggesting that an opportunity to provide for American some reassurance about how they should feel right now, the president instead took it out on me.”
Chuck Todd, Alexander’s NBC News colleague and host of “Meet the Press,” weighed on the matter, praising him for his “professionalism.”
“I wish people on the on the other side of the podium had the same professionalism as well, so thank you, Peter,” Todd said.https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/20/media/trump-rant-at-nbc-news-peter-alexander/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Kx_XftwO5VvNnpfBnRHrKIlCMjGyvPutm-myiU9OhhTJrR2yL0vIFhU0
Hey-Zeuss!
What a dangerous prat.
How is his approval level 43%? What kind of grub approves of this?
His disapproval rating has gone down slightly.
facepalm
dv said:
Kaloo kalay, Woolworths online ordering is going to be available for people on iso.
2 kg potato – check
1 100ml cooking oil – check.
6 pack toilet roll – Substitute, local paper.
2kg loin roast – check
1 pack cherry tomatoes – check
1 pack Hans chorizo – Substitute 1 tin of Campie.
6 pack of Gillette 3 blade razors – check
1 pack…………………………
roughbarked said:
Trump reminds me of an abusive drunk.
An abusive drunk would at least have an excuse.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Trump viciously attacks NBC News reporter in extended rant after being asked for message to Americans worried about coronavirus
New York (CNN Business)In an extraordinary exchange on Friday, President Donald Trump viciously attacked an NBC News reporter who asked what his message would be to Americans who are frightened by the coronavirus pandemic that is spreading across the country.
The exchange, which occurred at the White House’s daily coronavirus task force briefing, began when NBC News reporter Peter Alexander asked Trump whether he was giving Americans “false hope” by touting unproven coronavirus drugs.
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China's
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China’s
Toward the end of the exchange, Alexander cited the latest pandemic statistics showing thousands of Americans are now infected and millions are scared.
Alexander asked, “What do you say to Americans who are scared?”
Trump, shaking his head, ripped into Alexander in response.
“I say that you are a terrible reporter,” Trump replied. “That’s what I say.”
The President proceeded to launch into an extended rant against Alexander, saying he asked a “nasty question” and assailing NBC and its parent company, Comcast.
“You’re doing sensationalism,” Trump charged. “And the same with NBC and Comcast. I don’t call it Comcast. I call it ‘Con-Cast.’”
“Let me just tell you something,” Trump added. “That’s really bad reporting. And you ought to get back to reporting instead of sensationalism.”
Moments later, Kaitlan Collins, a White House correspondent for CNN, asked Trump if it was appropriate to embark on tirades against members of the news media during a public health crisis.
“You see yourself as a wartime President right now, leading the country through a pandemic that we are experiencing,” Collins noted. “Do you think going off on Peter, going off on a network is appropriate when the country is going through something like this?”
Trump defended his verbal assault on Alexander, saying he’s “not a good journalist” and launching into another rant against him.
“Coming together is much harder when we have dishonest journalists,” Trump said.
Alexander said in a statement that he was “trying to provide the president an opportunity to reassure the millions of Americans, members of my own family and my neighbors and my community and plenty of people sitting at home, this was his opportunity to do that, to provide a positive or uplifting message. Instead, you saw the president’s answer to that question right now.”
“The bottom line is, this is a president whose experiences in life are very different than most Americans across this country right now,” Alexander said. “Not a person who likely worries about finances or had, not a person who in the course of his life is worried about his future, not a person who is worried about where to find a paycheck for his bills or for his rent and as evidenced by the president suggesting that an opportunity to provide for American some reassurance about how they should feel right now, the president instead took it out on me.”
Chuck Todd, Alexander’s NBC News colleague and host of “Meet the Press,” weighed on the matter, praising him for his “professionalism.”
“I wish people on the on the other side of the podium had the same professionalism as well, so thank you, Peter,” Todd said.https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/20/media/trump-rant-at-nbc-news-peter-alexander/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Kx_XftwO5VvNnpfBnRHrKIlCMjGyvPutm-myiU9OhhTJrR2yL0vIFhU0
Hey-Zeuss!
What a dangerous prat.
How is his approval level 43%? What kind of grub approves of this?
The same kind who line up to buy guns in case someone steals their toilet paper.
Essay from Josh Lerner, MD after the CDC loosens guidelines for all of us on the front lines.
“In one of the most vivid scenes in the HBO miniseries “Chernobyl” (among many vivid scenes), soldiers dressed in leather smocks ran out into radioactive areas to literally shovel radioactive material out of harm’s way. Horrifically under-protected, they suited up anyway. In another scene, soldiers fashioned genital protection from scrap metal out of desperation while being sent to other hazardous areas.
Please don’t tell me that in the richest country in the world in the 21st century, I’m supposed to work in a fictionalized Soviet-era disaster zone and fashion my own face mask out of cloth because other Americans hoard supplies for personal use and so-called leaders sit around in meetings hearing themselves talk. I ran to a bedside the other day to intubate a crashing, likely COVID, patient. Two respiratory therapists and two nurses were already at the bedside. That’s 5 N95s masks, 5 gowns, 5 face shields and 10 gloves for one patient at one time. I saw probably 15-20 patients that shift, if we are going to start rationing supplies, what percentage should I wear precautions for?
Make no mistake, the CDC is loosening these guidelines because our country is not prepared. Loosening guidelines increases healthcare workers’ risk but the decision is done to allow us to keep working, not to keep us safe. It is done for the public benefit – so I can continue to work no matter the personal cost to me or my family (and my healthcare family). Sending healthcare workers to the front line asking them to cover their face with a bandana is akin to sending a soldier to the front line in a t-shirt and flip flops.
I don’t want talk. I don’t want assurances. I want action. I want boxes of N95s piling up, donated from the people who hoarded them. I want non-clinical administrators in the hospital lining up in the ER asking if they can stock shelves to make sure that when I need to rush into a room, the drawer of PPE equipment I open isn’t empty. I want them showing up in the ER asking “how can I help” instead of offering shallow “plans” conceived by someone who has spent far too long in an ivory tower and not long enough in the trenches. Maybe they should actually step foot in the trenches.
I want billion-dollar companies like 3M halting all production of any product that isn’t PPE to focus on PPE manufacturing. I want a company like Amazon, with its logistics mastery (it can drop a package to your door less than 24 hours after ordering it), halting its 2-day delivery of 12 reams of toilet paper to whoever is willing to pay the most in order to help get the available PPE supply distributed fast and efficiently in a manner that gets the necessary materials to my brothers and sisters in arms who need them.
I want Proctor and Gamble, and the makers of other soaps and detergents, stepping up too. We need detergent to clean scrubs, hospital linens and gowns. We need disinfecting wipes to clean desk and computer surfaces. What about plastics manufacturers? Plastic gowns aren’t some high-tech device, they are long shirts/smocks…made out of plastic. Get on it. Face shields are just clear plastic. Nitrile gloves? Yeah, they are pretty much just gloves…made from something that isn’t apparently Latex. Let’s go. Money talks in this country. Executive millionaires, why don’t you spend a few bucks to buy back some of these masks from the hoarders, and drop them off at the nearest hospital.
I love biotechnology and research but we need to divert viral culture media for COVID testing and research. We need biotechnology manufacturing ready and able to ramp up if and when treatments or vaccines are developed. Our Botox supply isn’t critical, but our antibiotic supply is. We need to be able to make more plastic ET tubes, not more silicon breast implants.
Let’s see all that. Then we can all talk about how we played our part in this fight. Netflix and chill is not enough while my family, friends and colleagues are out there fighting. Our country won two world wars because the entire country mobilized. We out-produced and we out-manufactured while our soldiers out-fought the enemy. We need to do that again because make no mistake, we are at war, healthcare workers are your soldiers, and the war has just begun.”
6000 new cases in Italy yesterday and also in the USA
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
cunt
nods
Trump viciously attacks NBC News reporter in extended rant after being asked for message to Americans worried about coronavirus
New York (CNN Business)In an extraordinary exchange on Friday, President Donald Trump viciously attacked an NBC News reporter who asked what his message would be to Americans who are frightened by the coronavirus pandemic that is spreading across the country.
The exchange, which occurred at the White House’s daily coronavirus task force briefing, began when NBC News reporter Peter Alexander asked Trump whether he was giving Americans “false hope” by touting unproven coronavirus drugs.
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China's
Analysis: Trump acts like he wants the US press to be more like China’s
Toward the end of the exchange, Alexander cited the latest pandemic statistics showing thousands of Americans are now infected and millions are scared.
Alexander asked, “What do you say to Americans who are scared?”
Trump, shaking his head, ripped into Alexander in response.
“I say that you are a terrible reporter,” Trump replied. “That’s what I say.”
The President proceeded to launch into an extended rant against Alexander, saying he asked a “nasty question” and assailing NBC and its parent company, Comcast.
“You’re doing sensationalism,” Trump charged. “And the same with NBC and Comcast. I don’t call it Comcast. I call it ‘Con-Cast.’”
“Let me just tell you something,” Trump added. “That’s really bad reporting. And you ought to get back to reporting instead of sensationalism.”
Moments later, Kaitlan Collins, a White House correspondent for CNN, asked Trump if it was appropriate to embark on tirades against members of the news media during a public health crisis.
“You see yourself as a wartime President right now, leading the country through a pandemic that we are experiencing,” Collins noted. “Do you think going off on Peter, going off on a network is appropriate when the country is going through something like this?”
Trump defended his verbal assault on Alexander, saying he’s “not a good journalist” and launching into another rant against him.
“Coming together is much harder when we have dishonest journalists,” Trump said.
Alexander said in a statement that he was “trying to provide the president an opportunity to reassure the millions of Americans, members of my own family and my neighbors and my community and plenty of people sitting at home, this was his opportunity to do that, to provide a positive or uplifting message. Instead, you saw the president’s answer to that question right now.”
“The bottom line is, this is a president whose experiences in life are very different than most Americans across this country right now,” Alexander said. “Not a person who likely worries about finances or had, not a person who in the course of his life is worried about his future, not a person who is worried about where to find a paycheck for his bills or for his rent and as evidenced by the president suggesting that an opportunity to provide for American some reassurance about how they should feel right now, the president instead took it out on me.”
Chuck Todd, Alexander’s NBC News colleague and host of “Meet the Press,” weighed on the matter, praising him for his “professionalism.”
“I wish people on the on the other side of the podium had the same professionalism as well, so thank you, Peter,” Todd said.https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/20/media/trump-rant-at-nbc-news-peter-alexander/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Kx_XftwO5VvNnpfBnRHrKIlCMjGyvPutm-myiU9OhhTJrR2yL0vIFhU0
Never understood why they don’t just punch him in the face really hard.
dv said:
6000 new cases in Italy yesterday and also in the USA
I think they’re both fucked.
dv said:
Kaloo kalay, Woolworths online ordering is going to be available for people on iso.
Excellent!
:)
ChrispenEvan said:
Essay from Josh Lerner, MD after the CDC loosens guidelines for all of us on the front lines…
What they really need is a President who can think like that, and demand those things, instead of one who can’t think of anything but his own self-image and how to protect his rich friends’ money.
Italy’s in lockdown. Are they having COVID parties?
Divine Angel said:
Italy’s in lockdown. Are they having COVID parties?
No. They have run out of flour and mince, so they can’t make any party pies.
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-impossible-mother-tirade-remote-schoolingClick on her rant, it’s grouse :)
chuckle watched that
‘now they’ll find out how dumb I am’, paraphrasing whatever
party_pants said:
Never understood why they don’t just punch him in the face really hard.
Where are you, Lee Harvey Oswald, in your country’s hour of need?
Divine Angel said:
Italy’s in lockdown. Are they having COVID parties?
ChrispenEvan said:
Essay from Josh Lerner, MD after the CDC loosens guidelines for all of us on the front lines.“In one of the most vivid scenes in the HBO miniseries “Chernobyl” (among many vivid scenes), soldiers dressed in leather smocks ran out into radioactive areas to literally shovel radioactive material out of harm’s way. Horrifically under-protected, they suited up anyway. In another scene, soldiers fashioned genital protection from scrap metal out of desperation while being sent to other hazardous areas.
Please don’t tell me that in the richest country in the world in the 21st century, I’m supposed to work in a fictionalized Soviet-era disaster zone and fashion my own face mask out of cloth because other Americans hoard supplies for personal use and so-called leaders sit around in meetings hearing themselves talk. I ran to a bedside the other day to intubate a crashing, likely COVID, patient. Two respiratory therapists and two nurses were already at the bedside. That’s 5 N95s masks, 5 gowns, 5 face shields and 10 gloves for one patient at one time. I saw probably 15-20 patients that shift, if we are going to start rationing supplies, what percentage should I wear precautions for?
Make no mistake, the CDC is loosening these guidelines because our country is not prepared. Loosening guidelines increases healthcare workers’ risk but the decision is done to allow us to keep working, not to keep us safe. It is done for the public benefit – so I can continue to work no matter the personal cost to me or my family (and my healthcare family). Sending healthcare workers to the front line asking them to cover their face with a bandana is akin to sending a soldier to the front line in a t-shirt and flip flops.
I don’t want talk. I don’t want assurances. I want action. I want boxes of N95s piling up, donated from the people who hoarded them. I want non-clinical administrators in the hospital lining up in the ER asking if they can stock shelves to make sure that when I need to rush into a room, the drawer of PPE equipment I open isn’t empty. I want them showing up in the ER asking “how can I help” instead of offering shallow “plans” conceived by someone who has spent far too long in an ivory tower and not long enough in the trenches. Maybe they should actually step foot in the trenches.
I want billion-dollar companies like 3M halting all production of any product that isn’t PPE to focus on PPE manufacturing. I want a company like Amazon, with its logistics mastery (it can drop a package to your door less than 24 hours after ordering it), halting its 2-day delivery of 12 reams of toilet paper to whoever is willing to pay the most in order to help get the available PPE supply distributed fast and efficiently in a manner that gets the necessary materials to my brothers and sisters in arms who need them.
I want Proctor and Gamble, and the makers of other soaps and detergents, stepping up too. We need detergent to clean scrubs, hospital linens and gowns. We need disinfecting wipes to clean desk and computer surfaces. What about plastics manufacturers? Plastic gowns aren’t some high-tech device, they are long shirts/smocks…made out of plastic. Get on it. Face shields are just clear plastic. Nitrile gloves? Yeah, they are pretty much just gloves…made from something that isn’t apparently Latex. Let’s go. Money talks in this country. Executive millionaires, why don’t you spend a few bucks to buy back some of these masks from the hoarders, and drop them off at the nearest hospital.
I love biotechnology and research but we need to divert viral culture media for COVID testing and research. We need biotechnology manufacturing ready and able to ramp up if and when treatments or vaccines are developed. Our Botox supply isn’t critical, but our antibiotic supply is. We need to be able to make more plastic ET tubes, not more silicon breast implants.
Let’s see all that. Then we can all talk about how we played our part in this fight. Netflix and chill is not enough while my family, friends and colleagues are out there fighting. Our country won two world wars because the entire country mobilized. We out-produced and we out-manufactured while our soldiers out-fought the enemy. We need to do that again because make no mistake, we are at war, healthcare workers are your soldiers, and the war has just begun.”
Tell him “He’s dreaming”.
Bloody good, simple ideas. I approve.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:Never understood why they don’t just punch him in the face really hard.
Where are you, Lee Harvey Oswald, in your country’s hour of need?
We need the secret service to go all Praetorian Guard on his arse.
dv said:
nods
party_pants said:
dv said:
6000 new cases in Italy yesterday and also in the USA
I think they’re both fucked.
I agree.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:Never understood why they don’t just punch him in the face really hard.
Where are you, Lee Harvey Oswald, in your country’s hour of need?
We need the secret service to go all Praetorian Guard on his arse.
For them all to be looking the other way at a ‘suitable’ moment , à la Geoffrey Epstein.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Trump reminds me of an abusive drunk.
An abusive drunk would at least have an excuse.
Yes.
Is this thread still going?
Its viral.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Trump reminds me of an abusive drunk.
An abusive drunk would at least have an excuse.
Yes.
There’s a chance an abusive drunk will sober up next day and be remorseful.
I’ve got some video of a Trump presser.
For some reason, Trump donned a hat and beard for this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U
transition said:
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-impossible-mother-tirade-remote-schoolingClick on her rant, it’s grouse :)
chuckle watched that
‘now they’ll find out how dumb I am’, paraphrasing whatever
Thanks sibeen.
:)
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Trump reminds me of an abusive drunk.
An abusive drunk would at least have an excuse.
Yes.
impression I guess is not much exists outside what can be rendered subordinate to the work of his neurons, that some reality exists outside them hardly features, and certainly a virus qualifies
transition said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:An abusive drunk would at least have an excuse.
Yes.
impression I guess is not much exists outside what can be rendered subordinate to the work of his neurons, that some reality exists outside them hardly features, and certainly a virus qualifies
guess = get
Some kind of alarming data in here, indicates the USA is not doing enough testing
Australia has done 113000 COVID-19 tests.
USA has done 104000: obviously, that makes up a much smaller portion of their population.
South Korea has done 317000.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing
captain_spalding said:
I’ve got some video of a Trump presser.For some reason, Trump donned a hat and beard for this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U
rofl
Hospital could be a lot safer.
1 foot taps that operate taps for wash basins
No taps get touched which lowers transference
2 Toilet lids that cover the toilet when flushed
Stops the spread of water vapour which could transfer viruses into the air.
3 patents with a cold or flue to wear masks before entering a hospital emergency room
Hospital entrances be fitted with mask dispensers, so patients do not spread the virus around.
4 Hospital staff required to wear masks for people with colds and flu
So they don’t get infected while doing their work.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Hospital could be a lot safer.1 foot taps that operate taps for wash basins
No taps get touched which lowers transference
2 Toilet lids that cover the toilet when flushed
Stops the spread of water vapour which could transfer viruses into the air.
3 patents with a cold or flue to wear masks before entering a hospital emergency room
Hospital entrances be fitted with mask dispensers, so patients do not spread the virus around.
4 Hospital staff required to wear masks for people with colds and flu
So they don’t get infected while doing their work.
5. If you aren’t a patient, or you don’t work there, you don’t get in (exceptions: 1 person can accompany small child or frail/elderly person). No visitors, none, zero (except for precious exceptions). Stiff shit, folks, HTFU, it’s for your good and everyone else’s.
People wandering in and out of hospitals all day long like Brown’s cows are the biggest infection control problem there is.
Unless they’re willing to be stripped naked on the front lawn, hosed down with carbolic, and wear paper overalls and a N95 mask, they shouldn’t think of being allowed to enter.
Interesting read.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-the-case-for-endgame-c-stop-almost-everything/12077096
Should read ‘previous exceptions’.
dv said:
Some kind of alarming data in here, indicates the USA is not doing enough testing
Australia has done 113000 COVID-19 tests.
USA has done 104000: obviously, that makes up a much smaller portion of their population.
South Korea has done 317000.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing
In the next few weeks, the USA will have gone to hell in a hand-basket.
It seems that a significant proportion of people returning to Australia from the USA in the last three weeks were infected (including Dutton). This indicates to me that COVID-19 is out of control and rampant already in the USA.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Some kind of alarming data in here, indicates the USA is not doing enough testing
Australia has done 113000 COVID-19 tests.
USA has done 104000: obviously, that makes up a much smaller portion of their population.
South Korea has done 317000.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing
In the next few weeks, the USA will have gone to hell in a hand-basket.
It seems that a significant proportion of people returning to Australia from the USA in the last three weeks were infected (including Dutton). This indicates to me that COVID-19 is out of control and rampant already in the USA.
I fret for the future of the firearms industry.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Some kind of alarming data in here, indicates the USA is not doing enough testing
Australia has done 113000 COVID-19 tests.
USA has done 104000: obviously, that makes up a much smaller portion of their population.
South Korea has done 317000.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing
In the next few weeks, the USA will have gone to hell in a hand-basket.
It seems that a significant proportion of people returning to Australia from the USA in the last three weeks were infected (including Dutton). This indicates to me that COVID-19 is out of control and rampant already in the USA.
Get the same feeling for the UK. A lot of the WA cases reported in recent days are people who arrived from the UK, usually via Dubai or Singers. They are saying they most likelypicked it up at an airport along the way, but what if it is already rampant in the UK.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Hospital could be a lot safer.1 foot taps that operate taps for wash basins
No taps get touched which lowers transference
2 Toilet lids that cover the toilet when flushed
Stops the spread of water vapour which could transfer viruses into the air.
3 patents with a cold or flue to wear masks before entering a hospital emergency room
Hospital entrances be fitted with mask dispensers, so patients do not spread the virus around.
4 Hospital staff required to wear masks for people with colds and flu
So they don’t get infected while doing their work.
they have experts on pathogen transmission and practices to reduce it, are experts, it’s part of their job
on that subject, it’s been found with previous outbreaks (similarly highly contagious respiratory pathogens) the simpler facilities where there was less intervention (less technology maybe too), and older practices, had less transmission within medical facilities
so the message in that is the ‘busier’ it gets around the hosts, or environment of the hosts, the probability of transmission increases
thing about modern medicine is it is sort of intense with intervention, so potentially quite a party for something like corona
Went to the supermarket for the weekly shop today.
Situation almost normal.
Rather fewer than usual in there for a Sat. morning, but not un-busy either.
Apart from the expected things e.g. toilet paper, you could get just about everything. Heinz chunky soups were thin on the shelves, but they were having a sale on those.
No shortage of any fruits, veg, meat, dairy, bread etc.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Some kind of alarming data in here, indicates the USA is not doing enough testing
Australia has done 113000 COVID-19 tests.
USA has done 104000: obviously, that makes up a much smaller portion of their population.
South Korea has done 317000.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing
In the next few weeks, the USA will have gone to hell in a hand-basket.
It seems that a significant proportion of people returning to Australia from the USA in the last three weeks were infected (including Dutton). This indicates to me that COVID-19 is out of control and rampant already in the USA.
I fret for the future of the firearms industry.
Burnin’ And Lootin’
(The Wailers)
captain_spalding said:
Went to the supermarket for the weekly shop today.Situation almost normal.
Rather fewer than usual in there for a Sat. morning, but not un-busy either.
Apart from the expected things e.g. toilet paper, you could get just about everything. Heinz chunky soups were thin on the shelves, but they were having a sale on those.
No shortage of any fruits, veg, meat, dairy, bread etc.
Good sign
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Some kind of alarming data in here, indicates the USA is not doing enough testing
Australia has done 113000 COVID-19 tests.
USA has done 104000: obviously, that makes up a much smaller portion of their population.
South Korea has done 317000.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing
In the next few weeks, the USA will have gone to hell in a hand-basket.
It seems that a significant proportion of people returning to Australia from the USA in the last three weeks were infected (including Dutton). This indicates to me that COVID-19 is out of control and rampant already in the USA.
Get the same feeling for the UK. A lot of the WA cases reported in recent days are people who arrived from the UK, usually via Dubai or Singers. They are saying they most likely picked it up at an airport along the way, but what if it is already rampant in the UK.
Could well be.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:In the next few weeks, the USA will have gone to hell in a hand-basket.
It seems that a significant proportion of people returning to Australia from the USA in the last three weeks were infected (including Dutton). This indicates to me that COVID-19 is out of control and rampant already in the USA.
I fret for the future of the firearms industry.
Burnin’ And Lootin’
(The Wailers)
But with the people who believe anything like coronavirus is ‘fake news/Democrat plot’ and the people who buy the most guns forming a vary-large-overlap Venn diagram, the market for weapons could shrink dramatically in the near future.
I need to sell my Remington stock right now.
The best thing about social distancing and fewer kids at school: no head lice.
Divine Angel said:
The best thing about social distancing and fewer kids at school: no head lice.
I wonder if evolution will produce head lice that can jump like fleas?
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Hospital could be a lot safer.1 foot taps that operate taps for wash basins
No taps get touched which lowers transference
2 Toilet lids that cover the toilet when flushed
Stops the spread of water vapour which could transfer viruses into the air.
3 patents with a cold or flue to wear masks before entering a hospital emergency room
Hospital entrances be fitted with mask dispensers, so patients do not spread the virus around.
4 Hospital staff required to wear masks for people with colds and flu
So they don’t get infected while doing their work.
5. If you aren’t a patient, or you don’t work there, you don’t get in (exceptions: 1 person can accompany small child or frail/elderly person). No visitors, none, zero (except for precious exceptions). Stiff shit, folks, HTFU, it’s for your good and everyone else’s.
People wandering in and out of hospitals all day long like Brown’s cows are the biggest infection control problem there is.
Unless they’re willing to be stripped naked on the front lawn, hosed down with carbolic, and wear paper overalls and a N95 mask, they shouldn’t think of being allowed to enter.
An example of that are homeless people coming in to watch TV or a place for refuge.
Homeless people would make up a large percentage of people not required to be there.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:I fret for the future of the firearms industry.
Burnin’ And Lootin’
(The Wailers)
But with the people who believe anything like coronavirus is ‘fake news/Democrat plot’ and the people who buy the most guns forming a vary-large-overlap Venn diagram, the market for weapons could shrink dramatically in the near future.
I need to sell my Remington stock right now.
I see your point.
(And: Why not sell the whole gun?)
Tau.Neutrino said:
Homeless people would make up a large percentage of people not required to be there.
Can’t say i’ve seen that in all the time i’ve worked in hospitals.
There’s a constant stream of people in and out of the front doors, all day long, mostly to visit people. Not many that give any suggestion of homelessness.
I mean visitors when someone is sick are a facet of recovery.. mental health and all that.
Arts said:
I mean visitors when someone is sick are a facet of recovery.. mental health and all that.
Sane and dead, or crazy and alive, huh?
Arts, you must, must, must click on the link in this.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-impossible-mother-tirade-remote-schooling
captain_spalding said:
Went to the supermarket for the weekly shop today.Situation almost normal.
Rather fewer than usual in there for a Sat. morning, but not un-busy either.
Apart from the expected things e.g. toilet paper, you could get just about everything. Heinz chunky soups were thin on the shelves, but they were having a sale on those.
No shortage of any fruits, veg, meat, dairy, bread etc.
How was the Easter egg supply, Mr Spalding. Boxes and boxes stacked to the ceiling, like my Woolies is?
Visitors were more important in the olden-days, when they kept you in hospital for ages.
These days, you hardly have time to get the bed warm before you’re pushed off home.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Homeless people would make up a large percentage of people not required to be there.
Can’t say i’ve seen that in all the time i’ve worked in hospitals.
There’s a constant stream of people in and out of the front doors, all day long, mostly to visit people. Not many that give any suggestion of homelessness.
It may be not so bad in other places
Another example of people not required to be there are people coming in to sexually abuse patients while on heavy medications etc
This problem is being addresed with more secure emergency rooms with swipe cards for doors to get in, press green button on wall to get out etc
sibeen said:
Arts, you must, must, must click on the link in this.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-impossible-mother-tirade-remote-schooling
oh. haha. I watched that one last night…
I was thinking that all of this ‘homeschooling’ might make people appreciate teachers again and maybe, just maybe, they’ll start getting the respect and pay check they deserve.. so we might have that to look forward to
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:
Went to the supermarket for the weekly shop today.Situation almost normal.
Rather fewer than usual in there for a Sat. morning, but not un-busy either.
Apart from the expected things e.g. toilet paper, you could get just about everything. Heinz chunky soups were thin on the shelves, but they were having a sale on those.
No shortage of any fruits, veg, meat, dairy, bread etc.
How was the Easter egg supply, Mr Spalding. Boxes and boxes stacked to the ceiling, like my Woolies is?
Easter egg, we hava, yes. Boo-coo Easter egg.
Arts said:
I was thinking that all of this ‘homeschooling’ might make people appreciate teachers again and maybe, just maybe, they’ll start getting the respect and pay check they deserve.. so we might have that to look forward to
tell her she’s dreaming!
I think that the supermarkets plan, for the last desperate stages, to build a redoubt out of the boxes of Easter eggs.
Sort like they did at Rorke’s Drift.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Hospital could be a lot safer.1 foot taps that operate taps for wash basins
No taps get touched which lowers transference
2 Toilet lids that cover the toilet when flushed
Stops the spread of water vapour which could transfer viruses into the air.
3 patents with a cold or flue to wear masks before entering a hospital emergency room
Hospital entrances be fitted with mask dispensers, so patients do not spread the virus around.
4 Hospital staff required to wear masks for people with colds and flu
So they don’t get infected while doing their work.
5. If you aren’t a patient, or you don’t work there, you don’t get in (exceptions: 1 person can accompany small child or frail/elderly person). No visitors, none, zero (except for precious exceptions). Stiff shit, folks, HTFU, it’s for your good and everyone else’s.
People wandering in and out of hospitals all day long like Brown’s cows are the biggest infection control problem there is.
Unless they’re willing to be stripped naked on the front lawn, hosed down with carbolic, and wear paper overalls and a N95 mask, they shouldn’t think of being allowed to enter.
If people go to hospitals for sight seeing then that can be reduced by educational ads and more door swipe card security.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Hospital could be a lot safer.1 foot taps that operate taps for wash basins
No taps get touched which lowers transference
2 Toilet lids that cover the toilet when flushed
Stops the spread of water vapour which could transfer viruses into the air.
3 patents with a cold or flue to wear masks before entering a hospital emergency room
Hospital entrances be fitted with mask dispensers, so patients do not spread the virus around.
4 Hospital staff required to wear masks for people with colds and flu
So they don’t get infected while doing their work.
5. If you aren’t a patient, or you don’t work there, you don’t get in (exceptions: 1 person can accompany small child or frail/elderly person). No visitors, none, zero (except for precious exceptions). Stiff shit, folks, HTFU, it’s for your good and everyone else’s.
People wandering in and out of hospitals all day long like Brown’s cows are the biggest infection control problem there is.
Unless they’re willing to be stripped naked on the front lawn, hosed down with carbolic, and wear paper overalls and a N95 mask, they shouldn’t think of being allowed to enter.
If people go to hospitals for sight seeing then that can be reduced by educational ads and more door swipe card security.
to further reduce transference foot buttons for toilet flushing
sibeen said:
Arts, you must, must, must click on the link in this.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-impossible-mother-tirade-remote-schooling
really bad example to use of anything related proposition home schooling (school closures), that clip
homework has existed for a long time, adds a dimension of learning continuity inclusive of home
the real crisis could be of the childcare going, or gone, that’s in large part what school is, childcare, so the economic units can get out and work, make their contribution to GDP
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:I fret for the future of the firearms industry.
Burnin’ And Lootin’
(The Wailers)
But with the people who believe anything like coronavirus is ‘fake news/Democrat plot’ and the people who buy the most guns forming a vary-large-overlap Venn diagram, the market for weapons could shrink dramatically in the near future.
I need to sell my Remington stock right now.
;) so You are keeping the barrel and breech?
To further reduce transference, exit door buttons in buildings could also be foot buttons.
Arts said:
sibeen said:
Arts, you must, must, must click on the link in this.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-impossible-mother-tirade-remote-schooling
oh. haha. I watched that one last night…
I was thinking that all of this ‘homeschooling’ might make people appreciate teachers again and maybe, just maybe, they’ll start getting the respect and pay check they deserve.. so we might have that to look forward to
Just when all the schoolteachers in my life have stopped teaching.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Burnin’ And Lootin’
(The Wailers)
But with the people who believe anything like coronavirus is ‘fake news/Democrat plot’ and the people who buy the most guns forming a vary-large-overlap Venn diagram, the market for weapons could shrink dramatically in the near future.
I need to sell my Remington stock right now.
;) so You are keeping the barrel and breech?
ha
Latest coronavirus numbers
There are currently 1,051 confirmed cases of coronavirus in Australia.
Here’s the breakdown by state:
New South Wales: 436
Victoria: 229
Queensland: 221
Western Australia: 90
South Australia: 50
Tasmania: 11
Australian Capital Territory: 9
Northern Territory: 5
There have been seven COVID-19-related deaths so far.
The figures come from state and territory databases of confirmed COVID-19 cases. The latest update was at 1:25pm AEST on Saturday, March 21.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news/12076878
>1000 confirmed cases.
Here’s that as a “tests per million population” chart.
Gonna be expensive:
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/unprecedented-britain-will-pay-up-to-80-per-cent-of-worker-wages-during-coronavirus-crisis-20200321-p54cgd.html?
Australias new infection a day have been between 120 to 170 for the last few days.
If we can hold it at that little Johnny will be able to go to sleep in his own little room again soon.
Study finds COVID-19 spread in China fueled by “stealth transmission”
A new study published in the journal Science has tracked the spread of the novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV2, across China in January concluding 86 percent of early infections were undocumented. The researchers suggest a “radical increase” in identification of undocumented cases is vital to slow the spread.
more…
The World Health Organisation has noted the dramatic speed of the virus’s spread, pointing out it took more than three months to infect 100,000 people but only 12 days to reach another 100,000.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news-march-21/12076884
Another way to reduce transference at hospitals, health clinics, banks etc are alcohol wipes for pens.
Michael V said:
Interesting read.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-the-case-for-endgame-c-stop-almost-everything/12077096
Very interesting, it really outlines what is likely to happen before a virus vaccine is produced. It all depends in the path we take and Morrison seems likely to miss the boat on the best way.
Michael V said:
The World Health Organisation has noted the dramatic speed of the virus’s spread, pointing out it took more than three months to infect 100,000 people but only 12 days to reach another 100,000.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news-march-21/12076884
like a star in the night sky turned black hole, an observer here’s only chance of seeing it is well after, the star persists though, twinkling
Schools may also reduce transference by using foot buttons for toilet flushes, foot levers for wash basins and foot buttons for door exits.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Schools may also reduce transference by using foot buttons for toilet flushes, foot levers for wash basins and foot buttons for door exits.
transference sounds freudian
captain_spalding said:
Went to the supermarket for the weekly shop today.Situation almost normal.
Rather fewer than usual in there for a Sat. morning, but not un-busy either.
Apart from the expected things e.g. toilet paper, you could get just about everything. Heinz chunky soups were thin on the shelves, but they were having a sale on those.
No shortage of any fruits, veg, meat, dairy, bread etc.
Much the same at our IGA. No toilet paper at Woollies either. Nor mince. The dogs are pissed off. There was some mince at IGA, but as we are going to the Casterton butcher on Tuesday to pick up the bakery order, I’ll get some of theirs. It’s about the same price or a little less (The bakery are assuming they will be able to continue trading because bread and milk are staples and they can do takeaway on the pies and cakes)
I was curious about something I heard on the news. We were listening to BBC on NewsRadio. There was something about everyone should stay home. Shortly followed by a plea for blood donations. Difficult to stay home and donate blood.
transition said:
Michael V said:
The World Health Organisation has noted the dramatic speed of the virus’s spread, pointing out it took more than three months to infect 100,000 people but only 12 days to reach another 100,000.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news-march-21/12076884
like a star in the night sky turned black hole, an observer here’s only chance of seeing it is well after, the star persists though, twinkling
Its interesting in that light from other stars that pass our way come from the past and continue onwards into the future.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Schools may also reduce transference by using foot buttons for toilet flushes, foot levers for wash basins and foot buttons for door exits.
Or, wash your hands thoroughly with soap after flushing, wash the tap handle before you turn it off. Don’t ouch your face before you finish washing. If you have a lever mixer tap operate it with your elbow.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
Michael V said:
The World Health Organisation has noted the dramatic speed of the virus’s spread, pointing out it took more than three months to infect 100,000 people but only 12 days to reach another 100,000.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news-march-21/12076884
like a star in the night sky turned black hole, an observer here’s only chance of seeing it is well after, the star persists though, twinkling
Its interesting in that light from other stars that pass our way come from the past and continue onwards into the future.
yeah I was using the lag or delay as an analogy for unknown infection, and the black hole, well, it wasn’t all cheer
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Schools may also reduce transference by using foot buttons for toilet flushes, foot levers for wash basins and foot buttons for door exits.
transference sounds freudian
Maybe there is a better word.
Peoples hands and faces produce natural oils that can hold viruses and bacteria.
People bring their hands up to their face many times a day.
Hence the push to wash hands more often.
Bicycle repairs have come to a halt. I don’t think I can fix this one. Things are in fact actually broken.
party_pants said:
Bicycle repairs have come to a halt. I don’t think I can fix this one. Things are in fact actually broken.
fred wong
Witty Rejoinder said:
Gonna be expensive:https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/unprecedented-britain-will-pay-up-to-80-per-cent-of-worker-wages-during-coronavirus-crisis-20200321-p54cgd.html?
Heard that on the news. But possibly easier administratively than having everyone sacked and then having to put them all on the dole. And might even cost much the same. I was wondering how Centrelink is going to manage all the new applicants.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Schools may also reduce transference by using foot buttons for toilet flushes, foot levers for wash basins and foot buttons for door exits.
Or, wash your hands thoroughly with soap after flushing, wash the tap handle before you turn it off. Don’t ouch your face before you finish washing. If you have a lever mixer tap operate it with your elbow.
Or that as well
Anything to reduce virus spread.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Schools may also reduce transference by using foot buttons for toilet flushes, foot levers for wash basins and foot buttons for door exits.
transference sounds freudian
Maybe there is a better word.
Peoples hands and faces produce natural oils that can hold viruses and bacteria.
People bring their hands up to their face many times a day.
Hence the push to wash hands more often.
nah’s okay use the way you did
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-rise-to-229-as-police-run-checks/12077596The casino had an exemption from social gathering rules…FMD.
I saw a facebook video from Bondi beach yesterday. No social isolating there.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-rise-to-229-as-police-run-checks/12077596The casino had an exemption from social gathering rules…FMD.
I saw a facebook video from Bondi beach yesterday. No social isolating there.
There is now. They closed the whole beach an hour or so ago. Too many people.
party_pants said:
Bicycle repairs have come to a halt. I don’t think I can fix this one. Things are in fact actually broken.
dylan – everything is broken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqD_j10MX0o
party_pants said:
dv said:
6000 new cases in Italy yesterday and also in the USA
I think they’re both fucked.
I was just talking to Diana. she’s an African American grandmother in the Bronx with a shortage of food in her house and a shortage of money. I’d love to help her but I don’t know how. (She says her kids are not much better off.)
transition said:
sibeen said:
Arts, you must, must, must click on the link in this.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-impossible-mother-tirade-remote-schooling
really bad example to use of anything related proposition home schooling (school closures), that clip
homework has existed for a long time, adds a dimension of learning continuity inclusive of home
the real crisis could be of the childcare going, or gone, that’s in large part what school is, childcare, so the economic units can get out and work, make their contribution to GDP
meh. I also think “homework” is a fucking sham..
If these trends continue…
Mythbusting
Are ‘busloads’ of shoppers really stripping Australia’s regional supermarkets bare?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/are-busloads-of-shoppers-really-stripping-australias-regional-supermarkets-bare
Stories about people travelling in buses from cities and descending on small towns and stripping the supermarket shelves are rife on social media – and some mainstream media – but the evidence is scarce.
Guardian Australia, along with several ABC and regional journalists, have attempted to back up the claims about the organised bus tours of shoppers but all came up empty.
Facebook feeds are full of stories about someone’s sister who saw a minibus pull up outside a grocer in Deniliquin, or Kyneton, or Gulgong, but no one has a photo to prove it.
In the age of camera phones, we couldn’t find any credible photographs of this reported phenomenon anywhere.
Guardian Australia found one supermarket where a security guard had been employed to check shoppers were not from out of town, but no evidence of buses.
Some of the posts say the buses are full of “Asian” or “Chinese” passengers.
“Every report I’ve seen said those on the buses were Chinese,” said one commenter. “Highly organised with different buses hitting different towns at the same time.”
The Daily Mail called it “tourist panic-shopping” and quoted “angry residents” on Facebook: “People from Sydney packing cars to the brims. Our supermarkets don’t get enough supplies, only enough for our population let alone hoarders. It’s really sad and I think it needs to be policed from now.”
On Tuesday the claims were given credibility by a story in the Age headlined “Busloads of city dwellers stripping regional shelves bare”, although there was no racial element in the report.
“Regional towns are being swamped by busloads of panicked ‘Coles tourists’ who are driving from the city to strip supermarket shelves of basic supplies,” the report said.
“The Age has heard reports of city-dwellers rushing supermarkets in Gisborne, Kyneton, Romsey, Seymour, Woodend, Daylesford and even in towns as far away as Kerang and Deniliquin.”
While the paper said they’d “heard reports” there was little in the way of evidence to back it up and no photographic proof.
Guardian Australia contacted two of the supermarkets mentioned in the Age – the Romsey IGA and the Woodend Coles – and both stores denied busloads of people from other areas were shopping.
On Thursday an appearance by home affairs minister Peter Dutton on the Ray Hadley mornings show on 2GB gave the story a boost – and fuelled its racial overtones.
Hadley claimed he was “sceptical at first” but now he had “photographic evidence” that hoarding and panic buying had morphed into busloads of Asian shoppers descending on small towns.
“It’s a busload of Asian Australians, I presume with a trailer on the back, just going to these shopping centres and shops … Aldi, Coles and Woolies and clearing the joint out,” Hadley said.
Dutton agreed and said there was an investigation under way into what he believed was a criminal enterprise.
“We do have some people I think that are profiteering, Dutton said.
“They’re hoarding, not for their own consumption, I think they’re either sending some of the products overseas or they’re selling it in a black market arrangement in Australia.
“I’m gonna come after those people … It won’t be a pretty experience when we deal with them.”
The radio station posted grainy photographs on its website and on Facebook, which a listener called Ben claims to have taken “in front of a Woolworths and says the bus went to Orange, Parkes and Forbes in the one day”.
Guardian Australia spoke to Coles management who said they knew nothing about it.
One of the people quoted by the Age, Reverend Mel Clark from St Mary’s Anglican church in Woodend, a tourist destination near Daylesford in Victoria, was the only person we found who had witnessed buses at their supermarket. Clark told Guardian Australia she had seen two minibuses of about 15 people pull up outside Coles last week.
Guardian Australia spoke to management at Coles, Woolworths and Aldi who all said there had been no bus tours they were aware of. Coles and Woolies said they had contacted regional managers at many of the stores mentioned and none could back up the reports.
___
dv said:
MythbustingAre ‘busloads’ of shoppers really stripping Australia’s regional supermarkets bare?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/are-busloads-of-shoppers-really-stripping-australias-regional-supermarkets-bareStories about people travelling in buses from cities and descending on small towns and stripping the supermarket shelves are rife on social media – and some mainstream media – but the evidence is scarce.
Guardian Australia, along with several ABC and regional journalists, have attempted to back up the claims about the organised bus tours of shoppers but all came up empty.
Facebook feeds are full of stories about someone’s sister who saw a minibus pull up outside a grocer in Deniliquin, or Kyneton, or Gulgong, but no one has a photo to prove it.
In the age of camera phones, we couldn’t find any credible photographs of this reported phenomenon anywhere.
Guardian Australia found one supermarket where a security guard had been employed to check shoppers were not from out of town, but no evidence of buses.
Some of the posts say the buses are full of “Asian” or “Chinese” passengers.
“Every report I’ve seen said those on the buses were Chinese,” said one commenter. “Highly organised with different buses hitting different towns at the same time.”
The Daily Mail called it “tourist panic-shopping” and quoted “angry residents” on Facebook: “People from Sydney packing cars to the brims. Our supermarkets don’t get enough supplies, only enough for our population let alone hoarders. It’s really sad and I think it needs to be policed from now.”
On Tuesday the claims were given credibility by a story in the Age headlined “Busloads of city dwellers stripping regional shelves bare”, although there was no racial element in the report.
“Regional towns are being swamped by busloads of panicked ‘Coles tourists’ who are driving from the city to strip supermarket shelves of basic supplies,” the report said.
“The Age has heard reports of city-dwellers rushing supermarkets in Gisborne, Kyneton, Romsey, Seymour, Woodend, Daylesford and even in towns as far away as Kerang and Deniliquin.”
While the paper said they’d “heard reports” there was little in the way of evidence to back it up and no photographic proof.
Guardian Australia contacted two of the supermarkets mentioned in the Age – the Romsey IGA and the Woodend Coles – and both stores denied busloads of people from other areas were shopping.
On Thursday an appearance by home affairs minister Peter Dutton on the Ray Hadley mornings show on 2GB gave the story a boost – and fuelled its racial overtones.
Hadley claimed he was “sceptical at first” but now he had “photographic evidence” that hoarding and panic buying had morphed into busloads of Asian shoppers descending on small towns.
“It’s a busload of Asian Australians, I presume with a trailer on the back, just going to these shopping centres and shops … Aldi, Coles and Woolies and clearing the joint out,” Hadley said.
Dutton agreed and said there was an investigation under way into what he believed was a criminal enterprise.
“We do have some people I think that are profiteering, Dutton said.
“They’re hoarding, not for their own consumption, I think they’re either sending some of the products overseas or they’re selling it in a black market arrangement in Australia.
“I’m gonna come after those people … It won’t be a pretty experience when we deal with them.”
The radio station posted grainy photographs on its website and on Facebook, which a listener called Ben claims to have taken “in front of a Woolworths and says the bus went to Orange, Parkes and Forbes in the one day”.
Guardian Australia spoke to Coles management who said they knew nothing about it.
One of the people quoted by the Age, Reverend Mel Clark from St Mary’s Anglican church in Woodend, a tourist destination near Daylesford in Victoria, was the only person we found who had witnessed buses at their supermarket. Clark told Guardian Australia she had seen two minibuses of about 15 people pull up outside Coles last week.
Guardian Australia spoke to management at Coles, Woolworths and Aldi who all said there had been no bus tours they were aware of. Coles and Woolies said they had contacted regional managers at many of the stores mentioned and none could back up the reports.
___
Is this some new form of terrorism ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
MythbustingAre ‘busloads’ of shoppers really stripping Australia’s regional supermarkets bare?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/are-busloads-of-shoppers-really-stripping-australias-regional-supermarkets-bareStories about people travelling in buses from cities and descending on small towns and stripping the supermarket shelves are rife on social media – and some mainstream media – but the evidence is scarce.
Guardian Australia, along with several ABC and regional journalists, have attempted to back up the claims about the organised bus tours of shoppers but all came up empty.
Facebook feeds are full of stories about someone’s sister who saw a minibus pull up outside a grocer in Deniliquin, or Kyneton, or Gulgong, but no one has a photo to prove it.
In the age of camera phones, we couldn’t find any credible photographs of this reported phenomenon anywhere.
Guardian Australia found one supermarket where a security guard had been employed to check shoppers were not from out of town, but no evidence of buses.
Some of the posts say the buses are full of “Asian” or “Chinese” passengers.
“Every report I’ve seen said those on the buses were Chinese,” said one commenter. “Highly organised with different buses hitting different towns at the same time.”
The Daily Mail called it “tourist panic-shopping” and quoted “angry residents” on Facebook: “People from Sydney packing cars to the brims. Our supermarkets don’t get enough supplies, only enough for our population let alone hoarders. It’s really sad and I think it needs to be policed from now.”
On Tuesday the claims were given credibility by a story in the Age headlined “Busloads of city dwellers stripping regional shelves bare”, although there was no racial element in the report.
“Regional towns are being swamped by busloads of panicked ‘Coles tourists’ who are driving from the city to strip supermarket shelves of basic supplies,” the report said.
“The Age has heard reports of city-dwellers rushing supermarkets in Gisborne, Kyneton, Romsey, Seymour, Woodend, Daylesford and even in towns as far away as Kerang and Deniliquin.”
While the paper said they’d “heard reports” there was little in the way of evidence to back it up and no photographic proof.
Guardian Australia contacted two of the supermarkets mentioned in the Age – the Romsey IGA and the Woodend Coles – and both stores denied busloads of people from other areas were shopping.
On Thursday an appearance by home affairs minister Peter Dutton on the Ray Hadley mornings show on 2GB gave the story a boost – and fuelled its racial overtones.
Hadley claimed he was “sceptical at first” but now he had “photographic evidence” that hoarding and panic buying had morphed into busloads of Asian shoppers descending on small towns.
“It’s a busload of Asian Australians, I presume with a trailer on the back, just going to these shopping centres and shops … Aldi, Coles and Woolies and clearing the joint out,” Hadley said.
Dutton agreed and said there was an investigation under way into what he believed was a criminal enterprise.
“We do have some people I think that are profiteering, Dutton said.
“They’re hoarding, not for their own consumption, I think they’re either sending some of the products overseas or they’re selling it in a black market arrangement in Australia.
“I’m gonna come after those people … It won’t be a pretty experience when we deal with them.”
The radio station posted grainy photographs on its website and on Facebook, which a listener called Ben claims to have taken “in front of a Woolworths and says the bus went to Orange, Parkes and Forbes in the one day”.
Guardian Australia spoke to Coles management who said they knew nothing about it.
One of the people quoted by the Age, Reverend Mel Clark from St Mary’s Anglican church in Woodend, a tourist destination near Daylesford in Victoria, was the only person we found who had witnessed buses at their supermarket. Clark told Guardian Australia she had seen two minibuses of about 15 people pull up outside Coles last week.
Guardian Australia spoke to management at Coles, Woolworths and Aldi who all said there had been no bus tours they were aware of. Coles and Woolies said they had contacted regional managers at many of the stores mentioned and none could back up the reports.
___
Is this some new form of terrorism ?
No, the Guardian has been around for quite some time.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
MythbustingAre ‘busloads’ of shoppers really stripping Australia’s regional supermarkets bare?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/are-busloads-of-shoppers-really-stripping-australias-regional-supermarkets-bareStories about people travelling in buses from cities and descending on small towns and stripping the supermarket shelves are rife on social media – and some mainstream media – but the evidence is scarce.
Guardian Australia, along with several ABC and regional journalists, have attempted to back up the claims about the organised bus tours of shoppers but all came up empty.
Facebook feeds are full of stories about someone’s sister who saw a minibus pull up outside a grocer in Deniliquin, or Kyneton, or Gulgong, but no one has a photo to prove it.
In the age of camera phones, we couldn’t find any credible photographs of this reported phenomenon anywhere.
Guardian Australia found one supermarket where a security guard had been employed to check shoppers were not from out of town, but no evidence of buses.
Some of the posts say the buses are full of “Asian” or “Chinese” passengers.
“Every report I’ve seen said those on the buses were Chinese,” said one commenter. “Highly organised with different buses hitting different towns at the same time.”
The Daily Mail called it “tourist panic-shopping” and quoted “angry residents” on Facebook: “People from Sydney packing cars to the brims. Our supermarkets don’t get enough supplies, only enough for our population let alone hoarders. It’s really sad and I think it needs to be policed from now.”
On Tuesday the claims were given credibility by a story in the Age headlined “Busloads of city dwellers stripping regional shelves bare”, although there was no racial element in the report.
“Regional towns are being swamped by busloads of panicked ‘Coles tourists’ who are driving from the city to strip supermarket shelves of basic supplies,” the report said.
“The Age has heard reports of city-dwellers rushing supermarkets in Gisborne, Kyneton, Romsey, Seymour, Woodend, Daylesford and even in towns as far away as Kerang and Deniliquin.”
While the paper said they’d “heard reports” there was little in the way of evidence to back it up and no photographic proof.
Guardian Australia contacted two of the supermarkets mentioned in the Age – the Romsey IGA and the Woodend Coles – and both stores denied busloads of people from other areas were shopping.
On Thursday an appearance by home affairs minister Peter Dutton on the Ray Hadley mornings show on 2GB gave the story a boost – and fuelled its racial overtones.
Hadley claimed he was “sceptical at first” but now he had “photographic evidence” that hoarding and panic buying had morphed into busloads of Asian shoppers descending on small towns.
“It’s a busload of Asian Australians, I presume with a trailer on the back, just going to these shopping centres and shops … Aldi, Coles and Woolies and clearing the joint out,” Hadley said.
Dutton agreed and said there was an investigation under way into what he believed was a criminal enterprise.
“We do have some people I think that are profiteering, Dutton said.
“They’re hoarding, not for their own consumption, I think they’re either sending some of the products overseas or they’re selling it in a black market arrangement in Australia.
“I’m gonna come after those people … It won’t be a pretty experience when we deal with them.”
The radio station posted grainy photographs on its website and on Facebook, which a listener called Ben claims to have taken “in front of a Woolworths and says the bus went to Orange, Parkes and Forbes in the one day”.
Guardian Australia spoke to Coles management who said they knew nothing about it.
One of the people quoted by the Age, Reverend Mel Clark from St Mary’s Anglican church in Woodend, a tourist destination near Daylesford in Victoria, was the only person we found who had witnessed buses at their supermarket. Clark told Guardian Australia she had seen two minibuses of about 15 people pull up outside Coles last week.
Guardian Australia spoke to management at Coles, Woolworths and Aldi who all said there had been no bus tours they were aware of. Coles and Woolies said they had contacted regional managers at many of the stores mentioned and none could back up the reports.
___
Is this some new form of terrorism ?
Coordinated misinformation isn’t exactly new
dv said:
MythbustingAre ‘busloads’ of shoppers really stripping Australia’s regional supermarkets bare?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/are-busloads-of-shoppers-really-stripping-australias-regional-supermarkets-bareStories about people travelling in buses from cities and descending on small towns and stripping the supermarket shelves are rife on social media – and some mainstream media – but the evidence is scarce.
Guardian Australia, along with several ABC and regional journalists, have attempted to back up the claims about the organised bus tours of shoppers but all came up empty.
Facebook feeds are full of stories about someone’s sister who saw a minibus pull up outside a grocer in Deniliquin, or Kyneton, or Gulgong, but no one has a photo to prove it.
In the age of camera phones, we couldn’t find any credible photographs of this reported phenomenon anywhere.
Guardian Australia found one supermarket where a security guard had been employed to check shoppers were not from out of town, but no evidence of buses.
Some of the posts say the buses are full of “Asian” or “Chinese” passengers.
“Every report I’ve seen said those on the buses were Chinese,” said one commenter. “Highly organised with different buses hitting different towns at the same time.”
The Daily Mail called it “tourist panic-shopping” and quoted “angry residents” on Facebook: “People from Sydney packing cars to the brims. Our supermarkets don’t get enough supplies, only enough for our population let alone hoarders. It’s really sad and I think it needs to be policed from now.”
On Tuesday the claims were given credibility by a story in the Age headlined “Busloads of city dwellers stripping regional shelves bare”, although there was no racial element in the report.
“Regional towns are being swamped by busloads of panicked ‘Coles tourists’ who are driving from the city to strip supermarket shelves of basic supplies,” the report said.
“The Age has heard reports of city-dwellers rushing supermarkets in Gisborne, Kyneton, Romsey, Seymour, Woodend, Daylesford and even in towns as far away as Kerang and Deniliquin.”
While the paper said they’d “heard reports” there was little in the way of evidence to back it up and no photographic proof.
Guardian Australia contacted two of the supermarkets mentioned in the Age – the Romsey IGA and the Woodend Coles – and both stores denied busloads of people from other areas were shopping.
On Thursday an appearance by home affairs minister Peter Dutton on the Ray Hadley mornings show on 2GB gave the story a boost – and fuelled its racial overtones.
Hadley claimed he was “sceptical at first” but now he had “photographic evidence” that hoarding and panic buying had morphed into busloads of Asian shoppers descending on small towns.
“It’s a busload of Asian Australians, I presume with a trailer on the back, just going to these shopping centres and shops … Aldi, Coles and Woolies and clearing the joint out,” Hadley said.
Dutton agreed and said there was an investigation under way into what he believed was a criminal enterprise.
“We do have some people I think that are profiteering, Dutton said.
“They’re hoarding, not for their own consumption, I think they’re either sending some of the products overseas or they’re selling it in a black market arrangement in Australia.
“I’m gonna come after those people … It won’t be a pretty experience when we deal with them.”
The radio station posted grainy photographs on its website and on Facebook, which a listener called Ben claims to have taken “in front of a Woolworths and says the bus went to Orange, Parkes and Forbes in the one day”.
Guardian Australia spoke to Coles management who said they knew nothing about it.
One of the people quoted by the Age, Reverend Mel Clark from St Mary’s Anglican church in Woodend, a tourist destination near Daylesford in Victoria, was the only person we found who had witnessed buses at their supermarket. Clark told Guardian Australia she had seen two minibuses of about 15 people pull up outside Coles last week.
Guardian Australia spoke to management at Coles, Woolworths and Aldi who all said there had been no bus tours they were aware of. Coles and Woolies said they had contacted regional managers at many of the stores mentioned and none could back up the reports.
___
well, at least they’re not african gangs.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
MythbustingAre ‘busloads’ of shoppers really stripping Australia’s regional supermarkets bare?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/are-busloads-of-shoppers-really-stripping-australias-regional-supermarkets-bareStories about people travelling in buses from cities and descending on small towns and stripping the supermarket shelves are rife on social media – and some mainstream media – but the evidence is scarce.
Guardian Australia, along with several ABC and regional journalists, have attempted to back up the claims about the organised bus tours of shoppers but all came up empty.
Facebook feeds are full of stories about someone’s sister who saw a minibus pull up outside a grocer in Deniliquin, or Kyneton, or Gulgong, but no one has a photo to prove it.
In the age of camera phones, we couldn’t find any credible photographs of this reported phenomenon anywhere.
Guardian Australia found one supermarket where a security guard had been employed to check shoppers were not from out of town, but no evidence of buses.
Some of the posts say the buses are full of “Asian” or “Chinese” passengers.
“Every report I’ve seen said those on the buses were Chinese,” said one commenter. “Highly organised with different buses hitting different towns at the same time.”
The Daily Mail called it “tourist panic-shopping” and quoted “angry residents” on Facebook: “People from Sydney packing cars to the brims. Our supermarkets don’t get enough supplies, only enough for our population let alone hoarders. It’s really sad and I think it needs to be policed from now.”
On Tuesday the claims were given credibility by a story in the Age headlined “Busloads of city dwellers stripping regional shelves bare”, although there was no racial element in the report.
“Regional towns are being swamped by busloads of panicked ‘Coles tourists’ who are driving from the city to strip supermarket shelves of basic supplies,” the report said.
“The Age has heard reports of city-dwellers rushing supermarkets in Gisborne, Kyneton, Romsey, Seymour, Woodend, Daylesford and even in towns as far away as Kerang and Deniliquin.”
While the paper said they’d “heard reports” there was little in the way of evidence to back it up and no photographic proof.
Guardian Australia contacted two of the supermarkets mentioned in the Age – the Romsey IGA and the Woodend Coles – and both stores denied busloads of people from other areas were shopping.
On Thursday an appearance by home affairs minister Peter Dutton on the Ray Hadley mornings show on 2GB gave the story a boost – and fuelled its racial overtones.
Hadley claimed he was “sceptical at first” but now he had “photographic evidence” that hoarding and panic buying had morphed into busloads of Asian shoppers descending on small towns.
“It’s a busload of Asian Australians, I presume with a trailer on the back, just going to these shopping centres and shops … Aldi, Coles and Woolies and clearing the joint out,” Hadley said.
Dutton agreed and said there was an investigation under way into what he believed was a criminal enterprise.
“We do have some people I think that are profiteering, Dutton said.
“They’re hoarding, not for their own consumption, I think they’re either sending some of the products overseas or they’re selling it in a black market arrangement in Australia.
“I’m gonna come after those people … It won’t be a pretty experience when we deal with them.”
The radio station posted grainy photographs on its website and on Facebook, which a listener called Ben claims to have taken “in front of a Woolworths and says the bus went to Orange, Parkes and Forbes in the one day”.
Guardian Australia spoke to Coles management who said they knew nothing about it.
One of the people quoted by the Age, Reverend Mel Clark from St Mary’s Anglican church in Woodend, a tourist destination near Daylesford in Victoria, was the only person we found who had witnessed buses at their supermarket. Clark told Guardian Australia she had seen two minibuses of about 15 people pull up outside Coles last week.
Guardian Australia spoke to management at Coles, Woolworths and Aldi who all said there had been no bus tours they were aware of. Coles and Woolies said they had contacted regional managers at many of the stores mentioned and none could back up the reports.
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well, at least they’re not african gangs.
Stops pacing up and down.
poikilotherm said:
Stinking bloody wogs and poms and yanks, coming over here and spreading infectious diseases.
party_pants said:
poikilotherm said:
Stinking bloody wogs and poms and yanks, coming over here and spreading infectious diseases.
quite funny isn’t it?
:-)
poikilotherm said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Is this some new form of terrorism ?
No, the Guardian has been around for quite some time.
Roffle
There was an ABC piece earlier in the week who talked to a small supermarket owner in Kinglake.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-panic-buyers-hit-victorias-regional-towns/12065014
The Northern Territory will introduce strict border controls from 4:00pm on March 24 that mean anyone arriving from interstate or overseas will have to self-isolate for 14 days.
Chief Minister Michael Gunner announced the new restrictions today.
“I’ve seen what’s happening overseas, I’ve seen what’s happening down south and I’m not going to let that happen here,” he said.
“The Territory comes first.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/northern-territory-strict-new-covid-19-border-laws/12078048
sibeen said:
The Northern Territory will introduce strict border controls from 4:00pm on March 24 that mean anyone arriving from interstate or overseas will have to self-isolate for 14 days.Chief Minister Michael Gunner announced the new restrictions today.
“I’ve seen what’s happening overseas, I’ve seen what’s happening down south and I’m not going to let that happen here,” he said.
“The Territory comes first.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/northern-territory-strict-new-covid-19-border-laws/12078048
Yeah but the NT only has a population of like six people anyway.
Have the old European internal border posts been dusted off?
buffy said:
There was an ABC piece earlier in the week who talked to a small supermarket owner in Kinglake.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-panic-buyers-hit-victorias-regional-towns/12065014
…I don’t know if it’s legal to turn people away. …
your store and you can refuse customers.
Divine Angel said:
sibeen said:
The Northern Territory will introduce strict border controls from 4:00pm on March 24 that mean anyone arriving from interstate or overseas will have to self-isolate for 14 days.Chief Minister Michael Gunner announced the new restrictions today.
“I’ve seen what’s happening overseas, I’ve seen what’s happening down south and I’m not going to let that happen here,” he said.
“The Territory comes first.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/northern-territory-strict-new-covid-19-border-laws/12078048
Yeah but the NT only has a population of like six people anyway.
and they’re all bill.
Divine Angel said:
sibeen said:
The Northern Territory will introduce strict border controls from 4:00pm on March 24 that mean anyone arriving from interstate or overseas will have to self-isolate for 14 days.Chief Minister Michael Gunner announced the new restrictions today.
“I’ve seen what’s happening overseas, I’ve seen what’s happening down south and I’m not going to let that happen here,” he said.
“The Territory comes first.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/northern-territory-strict-new-covid-19-border-laws/12078048
Yeah but the NT only has a population of like six people anyway.
One sorry business will knock them off, listening to some clown in The Drum pleading aboriginal exceptionalism for culture.
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/20/trump-disagrees-top-immunologist-untested-drug-treatment-covid-19/
Look at Dr Fauci’s face … episode 121 of “people’s dismayed expressions when appearing on stage with Trump”
AwesomeO said:
Have the old European internal border posts been dusted off?
Schengen Area…nah, fuck off :)
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
There was an ABC piece earlier in the week who talked to a small supermarket owner in Kinglake.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-panic-buyers-hit-victorias-regional-towns/12065014
…I don’t know if it’s legal to turn people away. …
your store and you can refuse customers.
And if it’s a bakery and a gay couple want a wedding cake…?
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
There was an ABC piece earlier in the week who talked to a small supermarket owner in Kinglake.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-panic-buyers-hit-victorias-regional-towns/12065014
…I don’t know if it’s legal to turn people away. …
your store and you can refuse customers.
Rumour has it that was done in Hamilton at IGA last weekend. I reported that here. I didn’t hear of any racial aspect. And believe me, there are racists around here. Usually with European accents. I just love the way one lot of immigrants dislikes the next wave of immigrants. And the accident on the highway at Dunkeld was a minibus with toilet paper in it. Perhaps it was a delivery…
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
poikilotherm said:
Stinking bloody wogs and poms and yanks, coming over here and spreading infectious diseases.
quite funny isn’t it?
:-)
not for those infected :p
Neophyte said:
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
There was an ABC piece earlier in the week who talked to a small supermarket owner in Kinglake.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-panic-buyers-hit-victorias-regional-towns/12065014
…I don’t know if it’s legal to turn people away. …
your store and you can refuse customers.
And if it’s a bakery and a gay couple want a wedding cake…?
Find a different excuse. You’ve got a big order going for that day and you can’t manage it. Or something.
dv said:
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/20/trump-disagrees-top-immunologist-untested-drug-treatment-covid-19/Look at Dr Fauci’s face … episode 121 of “people’s dismayed expressions when appearing on stage with Trump”
wait, is this releasing a world wide virus merely a form of leadership accountability..
buffy said:
There was an ABC piece earlier in the week who talked to a small supermarket owner in Kinglake.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-panic-buyers-hit-victorias-regional-towns/12065014
Yes, that’s an example of one of the stories the Guardian was highlighting.
AwesomeO said:
Have the old European internal border posts been dusted off?
Yep. Brand new 7.62 mm machines guns with nice shiny new ammo too.
dv said:
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/20/trump-disagrees-top-immunologist-untested-drug-treatment-covid-19/Look at Dr Fauci’s face … episode 121 of “people’s dismayed expressions when appearing on stage with Trump”
Poor sod.
AwesomeO said:
Divine Angel said:
sibeen said:
The Northern Territory will introduce strict border controls from 4:00pm on March 24 that mean anyone arriving from interstate or overseas will have to self-isolate for 14 days.Chief Minister Michael Gunner announced the new restrictions today.
“I’ve seen what’s happening overseas, I’ve seen what’s happening down south and I’m not going to let that happen here,” he said.
“The Territory comes first.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/northern-territory-strict-new-covid-19-border-laws/12078048
Yeah but the NT only has a population of like six people anyway.
One sorry business will knock them off, listening to some clown in The Drum pleading aboriginal exceptionalism for culture.
What sort of exceptionalism?
Witty Rejoinder said:
AwesomeO said:
Divine Angel said:Yeah but the NT only has a population of like six people anyway.
One sorry business will knock them off, listening to some clown in The Drum pleading aboriginal exceptionalism for culture.
What sort of exceptionalism?
Allowed to travel and gather in large groups for extended periods of time before breaking off and heading back to country. Great way to spread disease over what would ordinarily be secure and remote locations. And aboriginal health being so great and access to healthcare so limited you would think it a plan by white power advocates not a befuddled SJW.
Let’s talk about a message to America….
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Beau of the Fifth Column
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_58ZMe364
AwesomeO said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
AwesomeO said:One sorry business will knock them off, listening to some clown in The Drum pleading aboriginal exceptionalism for culture.
What sort of exceptionalism?
Allowed to travel and gather in large groups for extended periods of time before breaking off and heading back to country. Great way to spread disease over what would ordinarily be secure and remote locations. And aboriginal health being so great and access to healthcare so limited you would think it a plan by white power advocates not a befuddled SJW.
Thanks.
dv said:
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/20/trump-disagrees-top-immunologist-untested-drug-treatment-covid-19/Look at Dr Fauci’s face … episode 121 of “people’s dismayed expressions when appearing on stage with Trump”
But the Trumpster is a natural virologist.
This is all slightly reminiscent of when AIDS first hit the scene. People didn’t give a stuff.. until it affected them.
Nearly 40 years and we still haven’t learnt.
Obviousman said:
This is all slightly reminiscent of when AIDS first hit the scene. People didn’t give a stuff.. until it affected them.Nearly 40 years and we still haven’t learnt.
It is called human nature. We are not naturally good at working out risk and probabilities. Sitting down and working it out rationally is a learned skill.
party_pants said:
Obviousman said:
This is all slightly reminiscent of when AIDS first hit the scene. People didn’t give a stuff.. until it affected them.Nearly 40 years and we still haven’t learnt.
It is called human nature. We are not naturally good at working out risk and probabilities. Sitting down and working it out rationally is a learned skill.
And people are not rational.
Ian said:
dv said:
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/20/trump-disagrees-top-immunologist-untested-drug-treatment-covid-19/Look at Dr Fauci’s face … episode 121 of “people’s dismayed expressions when appearing on stage with Trump”
But the Trumpster is a natural virologist.
he can relate to viruses
Ian said:
dv said:
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/20/trump-disagrees-top-immunologist-untested-drug-treatment-covid-19/Look at Dr Fauci’s face … episode 121 of “people’s dismayed expressions when appearing on stage with Trump”
But the Trumpster is a natural virologist.
also, he’s very smart.. let’s not forget that
Ian said:
dv said:
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/20/trump-disagrees-top-immunologist-untested-drug-treatment-covid-19/Look at Dr Fauci’s face … episode 121 of “people’s dismayed expressions when appearing on stage with Trump”
But the Trumpster is a natural virologist.
He would agree he is quite virile.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/we-must-test-trace-and-isolate-the-virus-keep-our-distance-and-do-it-all-sooner-20200320-p54c5w.html
dv said:
buffy said:
There was an ABC piece earlier in the week who talked to a small supermarket owner in Kinglake.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-panic-buyers-hit-victorias-regional-towns/12065014
Yes, that’s an example of one of the stories the Guardian was highlighting.
Kinglake is not mentioned in that Guardian piece is it? And the ABC quotes from the supermarket owner in Kinglake about sales levels. Also, the IGA manager in Hamilton is quoted in the Hamilton Spectator “the business had refused people service who were trying to take through quantity buys. Earlier this week, a bus did attempt to stop by the store with a refrigerator trailer intow – with the aim of buying up meat, perishables and frozen goods. One person this week had in excess of 40 cartons of long life milk, I told him he could have four, or zero – and he got quite obnoxious, to the point where I said if he couldn’t comply, we would need to have him escorted out by police,” Mr Pye said. “Unfortunately, it got to that point – and he ended up walking out with zero” (my note…I don’t think that is clear about the obnoxious fellow, might have been a local. There are some about)
It’s a shame I didn’t read the notes on the shelves properly, nor read the Spectator before we went to Hamilton. IGA is keeping the toilet paper in store, you ask for it and prove you have local ID and you can buy a packet. If it comes to it, we’ll do that. Not necessary yet.
dv said:
MythbustingAre ‘busloads’ of shoppers really stripping Australia’s regional supermarkets bare?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/are-busloads-of-shoppers-really-stripping-australias-regional-supermarkets-bareStories about people travelling in buses from cities and descending on small towns and stripping the supermarket shelves are rife on social media – and some mainstream media – but the evidence is scarce.
Guardian Australia, along with several ABC and regional journalists, have attempted to back up the claims about the organised bus tours of shoppers but all came up empty.
Facebook feeds are full of stories about someone’s sister who saw a minibus pull up outside a grocer in Deniliquin, or Kyneton, or Gulgong, but no one has a photo to prove it.
In the age of camera phones, we couldn’t find any credible photographs of this reported phenomenon anywhere.
Guardian Australia found one supermarket where a security guard had been employed to check shoppers were not from out of town, but no evidence of buses.
Some of the posts say the buses are full of “Asian” or “Chinese” passengers.
“Every report I’ve seen said those on the buses were Chinese,” said one commenter. “Highly organised with different buses hitting different towns at the same time.”
The Daily Mail called it “tourist panic-shopping” and quoted “angry residents” on Facebook: “People from Sydney packing cars to the brims. Our supermarkets don’t get enough supplies, only enough for our population let alone hoarders. It’s really sad and I think it needs to be policed from now.”
On Tuesday the claims were given credibility by a story in the Age headlined “Busloads of city dwellers stripping regional shelves bare”, although there was no racial element in the report.
“Regional towns are being swamped by busloads of panicked ‘Coles tourists’ who are driving from the city to strip supermarket shelves of basic supplies,” the report said.
“The Age has heard reports of city-dwellers rushing supermarkets in Gisborne, Kyneton, Romsey, Seymour, Woodend, Daylesford and even in towns as far away as Kerang and Deniliquin.”
While the paper said they’d “heard reports” there was little in the way of evidence to back it up and no photographic proof.
Guardian Australia contacted two of the supermarkets mentioned in the Age – the Romsey IGA and the Woodend Coles – and both stores denied busloads of people from other areas were shopping.
On Thursday an appearance by home affairs minister Peter Dutton on the Ray Hadley mornings show on 2GB gave the story a boost – and fuelled its racial overtones.
Hadley claimed he was “sceptical at first” but now he had “photographic evidence” that hoarding and panic buying had morphed into busloads of Asian shoppers descending on small towns.
“It’s a busload of Asian Australians, I presume with a trailer on the back, just going to these shopping centres and shops … Aldi, Coles and Woolies and clearing the joint out,” Hadley said.
Dutton agreed and said there was an investigation under way into what he believed was a criminal enterprise.
“We do have some people I think that are profiteering, Dutton said.
“They’re hoarding, not for their own consumption, I think they’re either sending some of the products overseas or they’re selling it in a black market arrangement in Australia.
“I’m gonna come after those people … It won’t be a pretty experience when we deal with them.”
The radio station posted grainy photographs on its website and on Facebook, which a listener called Ben claims to have taken “in front of a Woolworths and says the bus went to Orange, Parkes and Forbes in the one day”.
Guardian Australia spoke to Coles management who said they knew nothing about it.
One of the people quoted by the Age, Reverend Mel Clark from St Mary’s Anglican church in Woodend, a tourist destination near Daylesford in Victoria, was the only person we found who had witnessed buses at their supermarket. Clark told Guardian Australia she had seen two minibuses of about 15 people pull up outside Coles last week.
Guardian Australia spoke to management at Coles, Woolworths and Aldi who all said there had been no bus tours they were aware of. Coles and Woolies said they had contacted regional managers at many of the stores mentioned and none could back up the reports.
___
In Norseman yesterday the local supermarket was inundated by non-locals buying up vast quantities of food goods. The manager had to stop them and restricted them to one item per product. The police was also called. This has not happened before.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
MythbustingAre ‘busloads’ of shoppers really stripping Australia’s regional supermarkets bare?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/are-busloads-of-shoppers-really-stripping-australias-regional-supermarkets-bareStories about people travelling in buses from cities and descending on small towns and stripping the supermarket shelves are rife on social media – and some mainstream media – but the evidence is scarce.
Guardian Australia, along with several ABC and regional journalists, have attempted to back up the claims about the organised bus tours of shoppers but all came up empty.
Facebook feeds are full of stories about someone’s sister who saw a minibus pull up outside a grocer in Deniliquin, or Kyneton, or Gulgong, but no one has a photo to prove it.
In the age of camera phones, we couldn’t find any credible photographs of this reported phenomenon anywhere.
Guardian Australia found one supermarket where a security guard had been employed to check shoppers were not from out of town, but no evidence of buses.
Some of the posts say the buses are full of “Asian” or “Chinese” passengers.
“Every report I’ve seen said those on the buses were Chinese,” said one commenter. “Highly organised with different buses hitting different towns at the same time.”
The Daily Mail called it “tourist panic-shopping” and quoted “angry residents” on Facebook: “People from Sydney packing cars to the brims. Our supermarkets don’t get enough supplies, only enough for our population let alone hoarders. It’s really sad and I think it needs to be policed from now.”
On Tuesday the claims were given credibility by a story in the Age headlined “Busloads of city dwellers stripping regional shelves bare”, although there was no racial element in the report.
“Regional towns are being swamped by busloads of panicked ‘Coles tourists’ who are driving from the city to strip supermarket shelves of basic supplies,” the report said.
“The Age has heard reports of city-dwellers rushing supermarkets in Gisborne, Kyneton, Romsey, Seymour, Woodend, Daylesford and even in towns as far away as Kerang and Deniliquin.”
While the paper said they’d “heard reports” there was little in the way of evidence to back it up and no photographic proof.
Guardian Australia contacted two of the supermarkets mentioned in the Age – the Romsey IGA and the Woodend Coles – and both stores denied busloads of people from other areas were shopping.
On Thursday an appearance by home affairs minister Peter Dutton on the Ray Hadley mornings show on 2GB gave the story a boost – and fuelled its racial overtones.
Hadley claimed he was “sceptical at first” but now he had “photographic evidence” that hoarding and panic buying had morphed into busloads of Asian shoppers descending on small towns.
“It’s a busload of Asian Australians, I presume with a trailer on the back, just going to these shopping centres and shops … Aldi, Coles and Woolies and clearing the joint out,” Hadley said.
Dutton agreed and said there was an investigation under way into what he believed was a criminal enterprise.
“We do have some people I think that are profiteering, Dutton said.
“They’re hoarding, not for their own consumption, I think they’re either sending some of the products overseas or they’re selling it in a black market arrangement in Australia.
“I’m gonna come after those people … It won’t be a pretty experience when we deal with them.”
The radio station posted grainy photographs on its website and on Facebook, which a listener called Ben claims to have taken “in front of a Woolworths and says the bus went to Orange, Parkes and Forbes in the one day”.
Guardian Australia spoke to Coles management who said they knew nothing about it.
One of the people quoted by the Age, Reverend Mel Clark from St Mary’s Anglican church in Woodend, a tourist destination near Daylesford in Victoria, was the only person we found who had witnessed buses at their supermarket. Clark told Guardian Australia she had seen two minibuses of about 15 people pull up outside Coles last week.
Guardian Australia spoke to management at Coles, Woolworths and Aldi who all said there had been no bus tours they were aware of. Coles and Woolies said they had contacted regional managers at many of the stores mentioned and none could back up the reports.
___
In Norseman yesterday the local supermarket was inundated by non-locals buying up vast quantities of food goods. The manager had to stop them and restricted them to one item per product. The police was also called. This has not happened before.
Please provide refs
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
MythbustingAre ‘busloads’ of shoppers really stripping Australia’s regional supermarkets bare?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/are-busloads-of-shoppers-really-stripping-australias-regional-supermarkets-bareStories about people travelling in buses from cities and descending on small towns and stripping the supermarket shelves are rife on social media – and some mainstream media – but the evidence is scarce.
Guardian Australia, along with several ABC and regional journalists, have attempted to back up the claims about the organised bus tours of shoppers but all came up empty.
Facebook feeds are full of stories about someone’s sister who saw a minibus pull up outside a grocer in Deniliquin, or Kyneton, or Gulgong, but no one has a photo to prove it.
In the age of camera phones, we couldn’t find any credible photographs of this reported phenomenon anywhere.
Guardian Australia found one supermarket where a security guard had been employed to check shoppers were not from out of town, but no evidence of buses.
Some of the posts say the buses are full of “Asian” or “Chinese” passengers.
“Every report I’ve seen said those on the buses were Chinese,” said one commenter. “Highly organised with different buses hitting different towns at the same time.”
The Daily Mail called it “tourist panic-shopping” and quoted “angry residents” on Facebook: “People from Sydney packing cars to the brims. Our supermarkets don’t get enough supplies, only enough for our population let alone hoarders. It’s really sad and I think it needs to be policed from now.”
On Tuesday the claims were given credibility by a story in the Age headlined “Busloads of city dwellers stripping regional shelves bare”, although there was no racial element in the report.
“Regional towns are being swamped by busloads of panicked ‘Coles tourists’ who are driving from the city to strip supermarket shelves of basic supplies,” the report said.
“The Age has heard reports of city-dwellers rushing supermarkets in Gisborne, Kyneton, Romsey, Seymour, Woodend, Daylesford and even in towns as far away as Kerang and Deniliquin.”
While the paper said they’d “heard reports” there was little in the way of evidence to back it up and no photographic proof.
Guardian Australia contacted two of the supermarkets mentioned in the Age – the Romsey IGA and the Woodend Coles – and both stores denied busloads of people from other areas were shopping.
On Thursday an appearance by home affairs minister Peter Dutton on the Ray Hadley mornings show on 2GB gave the story a boost – and fuelled its racial overtones.
Hadley claimed he was “sceptical at first” but now he had “photographic evidence” that hoarding and panic buying had morphed into busloads of Asian shoppers descending on small towns.
“It’s a busload of Asian Australians, I presume with a trailer on the back, just going to these shopping centres and shops … Aldi, Coles and Woolies and clearing the joint out,” Hadley said.
Dutton agreed and said there was an investigation under way into what he believed was a criminal enterprise.
“We do have some people I think that are profiteering, Dutton said.
“They’re hoarding, not for their own consumption, I think they’re either sending some of the products overseas or they’re selling it in a black market arrangement in Australia.
“I’m gonna come after those people … It won’t be a pretty experience when we deal with them.”
The radio station posted grainy photographs on its website and on Facebook, which a listener called Ben claims to have taken “in front of a Woolworths and says the bus went to Orange, Parkes and Forbes in the one day”.
Guardian Australia spoke to Coles management who said they knew nothing about it.
One of the people quoted by the Age, Reverend Mel Clark from St Mary’s Anglican church in Woodend, a tourist destination near Daylesford in Victoria, was the only person we found who had witnessed buses at their supermarket. Clark told Guardian Australia she had seen two minibuses of about 15 people pull up outside Coles last week.
Guardian Australia spoke to management at Coles, Woolworths and Aldi who all said there had been no bus tours they were aware of. Coles and Woolies said they had contacted regional managers at many of the stores mentioned and none could back up the reports.
___
In Norseman yesterday the local supermarket was inundated by non-locals buying up vast quantities of food goods. The manager had to stop them and restricted them to one item per product. The police was also called. This has not happened before.
Please provide refs
Norseman is a long way out of the way to go and buy mince and toilet paper, even for the most panicked individual…
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
MythbustingAre ‘busloads’ of shoppers really stripping Australia’s regional supermarkets bare?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/are-busloads-of-shoppers-really-stripping-australias-regional-supermarkets-bareStories about people travelling in buses from cities and descending on small towns and stripping the supermarket shelves are rife on social media – and some mainstream media – but the evidence is scarce.
Guardian Australia, along with several ABC and regional journalists, have attempted to back up the claims about the organised bus tours of shoppers but all came up empty.
Facebook feeds are full of stories about someone’s sister who saw a minibus pull up outside a grocer in Deniliquin, or Kyneton, or Gulgong, but no one has a photo to prove it.
In the age of camera phones, we couldn’t find any credible photographs of this reported phenomenon anywhere.
Guardian Australia found one supermarket where a security guard had been employed to check shoppers were not from out of town, but no evidence of buses.
Some of the posts say the buses are full of “Asian” or “Chinese” passengers.
“Every report I’ve seen said those on the buses were Chinese,” said one commenter. “Highly organised with different buses hitting different towns at the same time.”
The Daily Mail called it “tourist panic-shopping” and quoted “angry residents” on Facebook: “People from Sydney packing cars to the brims. Our supermarkets don’t get enough supplies, only enough for our population let alone hoarders. It’s really sad and I think it needs to be policed from now.”
On Tuesday the claims were given credibility by a story in the Age headlined “Busloads of city dwellers stripping regional shelves bare”, although there was no racial element in the report.
“Regional towns are being swamped by busloads of panicked ‘Coles tourists’ who are driving from the city to strip supermarket shelves of basic supplies,” the report said.
“The Age has heard reports of city-dwellers rushing supermarkets in Gisborne, Kyneton, Romsey, Seymour, Woodend, Daylesford and even in towns as far away as Kerang and Deniliquin.”
While the paper said they’d “heard reports” there was little in the way of evidence to back it up and no photographic proof.
Guardian Australia contacted two of the supermarkets mentioned in the Age – the Romsey IGA and the Woodend Coles – and both stores denied busloads of people from other areas were shopping.
On Thursday an appearance by home affairs minister Peter Dutton on the Ray Hadley mornings show on 2GB gave the story a boost – and fuelled its racial overtones.
Hadley claimed he was “sceptical at first” but now he had “photographic evidence” that hoarding and panic buying had morphed into busloads of Asian shoppers descending on small towns.
“It’s a busload of Asian Australians, I presume with a trailer on the back, just going to these shopping centres and shops … Aldi, Coles and Woolies and clearing the joint out,” Hadley said.
Dutton agreed and said there was an investigation under way into what he believed was a criminal enterprise.
“We do have some people I think that are profiteering, Dutton said.
“They’re hoarding, not for their own consumption, I think they’re either sending some of the products overseas or they’re selling it in a black market arrangement in Australia.
“I’m gonna come after those people … It won’t be a pretty experience when we deal with them.”
The radio station posted grainy photographs on its website and on Facebook, which a listener called Ben claims to have taken “in front of a Woolworths and says the bus went to Orange, Parkes and Forbes in the one day”.
Guardian Australia spoke to Coles management who said they knew nothing about it.
One of the people quoted by the Age, Reverend Mel Clark from St Mary’s Anglican church in Woodend, a tourist destination near Daylesford in Victoria, was the only person we found who had witnessed buses at their supermarket. Clark told Guardian Australia she had seen two minibuses of about 15 people pull up outside Coles last week.
Guardian Australia spoke to management at Coles, Woolworths and Aldi who all said there had been no bus tours they were aware of. Coles and Woolies said they had contacted regional managers at many of the stores mentioned and none could back up the reports.
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In Norseman yesterday the local supermarket was inundated by non-locals buying up vast quantities of food goods. The manager had to stop them and restricted them to one item per product. The police was also called. This has not happened before.
Please provide refs
My wife lives there and went to the supermarket. She also know most people in town.
furious said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:In Norseman yesterday the local supermarket was inundated by non-locals buying up vast quantities of food goods. The manager had to stop them and restricted them to one item per product. The police was also called. This has not happened before.
Please provide refs
Norseman is a long way out of the way to go and buy mince and toilet paper, even for the most panicked individual…
Norseman is a long way out of the way.
party_pants said:
furious said:
dv said:Please provide refs
Norseman is a long way out of the way to go and buy mince and toilet paper, even for the most panicked individual…
Norseman is a long way out of the way.
Maybe they arrived in a flying saucer.
party_pants said:
furious said:
dv said:Please provide refs
Norseman is a long way out of the way to go and buy mince and toilet paper, even for the most panicked individual…
Norseman is a long way out of the way.
Maybe so, but a lot of people pass through Norseman, especially from Kalgoorlie to Esperance.
party_pants said:
furious said:
dv said:Please provide refs
Norseman is a long way out of the way to go and buy mince and toilet paper, even for the most panicked individual…
Norseman is a long way out of the way.
All that way for a single IGA and BP truckstop?
Neophyte said:
party_pants said:
furious said:Norseman is a long way out of the way to go and buy mince and toilet paper, even for the most panicked individual…
Norseman is a long way out of the way.
All that way for a single IGA and BP truckstop?
I just give you good information and as usual all the armchair experts know better than the people who live there. Dv does not know everything, in fact he is often wrong.
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Tau.Neutrino said:
Stanford University Epidemics Expert Answers The Most Googled Questions About The Coronavirus – Digg
woah cousin, before this goes the way of the movie poster, please consider batching your links and posting as a digest
thanks
Ooh, this is interesting. I hadn’t looked at it for a couple of days and I find they are no longer using WHO data. Explanation is given.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#symptoms-and-disease-progression-of-covid-19
(Thanks again to whoever it was that linked this a couple of days ago/last week)
>>>woah cousin, before this goes the way of the movie poster, please consider batching your links and posting as a digest
>>>thanks
ok.
buffy said:
Ooh, this is interesting. I hadn’t looked at it for a couple of days and I find they are no longer using WHO data. Explanation is given.https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#symptoms-and-disease-progression-of-covid-19
(Thanks again to whoever it was that linked this a couple of days ago/last week)
A bit disturbing.
>Additionally we found many errors in the data published by the WHO when we went through all the daily Situation Reports. We immediately notified the WHO and are in close contact with the WHO’s team to correct the errors that we pointed out to them. We document all errors we found. The main problem we see with the WHO data is that these errors are not communicated by the WHO itself (some Errata were published by the WHO – in the same place as the Situation Reports –, but most errors were either retrospectively corrected without public notice or remain uncorrected).
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
Ooh, this is interesting. I hadn’t looked at it for a couple of days and I find they are no longer using WHO data. Explanation is given.https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#symptoms-and-disease-progression-of-covid-19
(Thanks again to whoever it was that linked this a couple of days ago/last week)
A bit disturbing.
>Additionally we found many errors in the data published by the WHO when we went through all the daily Situation Reports. We immediately notified the WHO and are in close contact with the WHO’s team to correct the errors that we pointed out to them. We document all errors we found. The main problem we see with the WHO data is that these errors are not communicated by the WHO itself (some Errata were published by the WHO – in the same place as the Situation Reports –, but most errors were either retrospectively corrected without public notice or remain uncorrected).
maybe with the amount of stuff that’s going on it’s actually very difficult to get perfect statistics the first time they are published
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
Ooh, this is interesting. I hadn’t looked at it for a couple of days and I find they are no longer using WHO data. Explanation is given.https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#symptoms-and-disease-progression-of-covid-19
(Thanks again to whoever it was that linked this a couple of days ago/last week)
A bit disturbing.
>Additionally we found many errors in the data published by the WHO when we went through all the daily Situation Reports. We immediately notified the WHO and are in close contact with the WHO’s team to correct the errors that we pointed out to them. We document all errors we found. The main problem we see with the WHO data is that these errors are not communicated by the WHO itself (some Errata were published by the WHO – in the same place as the Situation Reports –, but most errors were either retrospectively corrected without public notice or remain uncorrected).
maybe with the amount of stuff that’s going on it’s actually very difficult to get perfect statistics the first time they are published
True but the WHO is usually expected to be particularly authoritative.
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Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:A bit disturbing.
>Additionally we found many errors in the data published by the WHO when we went through all the daily Situation Reports. We immediately notified the WHO and are in close contact with the WHO’s team to correct the errors that we pointed out to them. We document all errors we found. The main problem we see with the WHO data is that these errors are not communicated by the WHO itself (some Errata were published by the WHO – in the same place as the Situation Reports –, but most errors were either retrospectively corrected without public notice or remain uncorrected).
maybe with the amount of stuff that’s going on it’s actually very difficult to get perfect statistics the first time they are published
True but the WHO is usually expected to be particularly authoritative.
Yes, it would be difficult to balance that with getting a timely report out each day. They probably have sick understating too.
Remember that it really looks like we’re being guided by predictions 2 weeks in advance. Consider how accurate our weather forecast is for that length of time. They’re dealing with people, not rotating planets. People on rotating planets. Better estimates will improve predictions a little. In this chaos though, not much.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:In Norseman yesterday the local supermarket was inundated by non-locals buying up vast quantities of food goods. The manager had to stop them and restricted them to one item per product. The police was also called. This has not happened before.
Please provide refs
My wife lives there and went to the supermarket. She also know most people in town.
So she was present when the police were called?
Tau.Neutrino said:
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thanks
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
furious said:Norseman is a long way out of the way to go and buy mince and toilet paper, even for the most panicked individual…
Norseman is a long way out of the way.
Maybe they arrived in a flying saucer.
My cousin saw it land! Not sure why he didn’t take video and sell it to the news networks, he’s a bit eccentric.
Bubblecar said:
True but the WHO is usually expected to be particularly authoritative.
UN.
Fine when it’s all talk and cocktail parties, go to pieces under pressures of reality.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:Please provide refs
My wife lives there and went to the supermarket. She also know most people in town.
So she was present when the police were called?
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:My wife lives there and went to the supermarket. She also know most people in town.
So she was present when the police were called?
I didn’t ask. The police were called as a precaution not to stop a food riot.
American chem-trailers worry that the UN is a front for ‘world government’.
They need not. The UN would struggle to organise a good time in a massage parlour with roll of $100 notes sticking out of their pocket.
buffy said:
Ooh, this is interesting. I hadn’t looked at it for a couple of days and I find they are no longer using WHO data. Explanation is given.https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#symptoms-and-disease-progression-of-covid-19
(Thanks again to whoever it was that linked this a couple of days ago/last week)
No worries.
I wonder what the poor people are doing? Read a couple of articles now, supermarkets no longer providing food and the volunteer infrastructure that normally do meals and drive the vans staying at home. Supermarket thing is short term,dunno about the other. Might soon have homeless knocking on doors asking for a sandwich.
AwesomeO said:
I wonder what the poor people are doing?
Starving, probably.
AwesomeO said:
I wonder what the poor people are doing? Read a couple of articles now, supermarkets no longer providing food and the volunteer infrastructure that normally do meals and drive the vans staying at home. Supermarket thing is short term,dunno about the other. Might soon have homeless knocking on doors asking for a sandwich.
we’re still doing meals on wheels. just a change in procedure.
AwesomeO said:
Might soon have homeless knocking on doors asking for a sandwich.
And if i have the makings, i’ll give ‘em one.
ChrispenEvan said:
AwesomeO said:
I wonder what the poor people are doing? Read a couple of articles now, supermarkets no longer providing food and the volunteer infrastructure that normally do meals and drive the vans staying at home. Supermarket thing is short term,dunno about the other. Might soon have homeless knocking on doors asking for a sandwich.
we’re still doing meals on wheels. just a change in procedure.
I meant and the article was talking about the homeless ones where they distribute food from points in the city.
AwesomeO said:
I wonder what the poor people are doing? Read a couple of articles now, supermarkets no longer providing food and the volunteer infrastructure that normally do meals and drive the vans staying at home. Supermarket thing is short term,dunno about the other. Might soon have homeless knocking on doors asking for a sandwich.
I hope the govt realises that the charity food thing is falling apart.
AwesomeO said:
ChrispenEvan said:
AwesomeO said:
I wonder what the poor people are doing? Read a couple of articles now, supermarkets no longer providing food and the volunteer infrastructure that normally do meals and drive the vans staying at home. Supermarket thing is short term,dunno about the other. Might soon have homeless knocking on doors asking for a sandwich.
we’re still doing meals on wheels. just a change in procedure.
I meant and the article was talking about the homeless ones where they distribute food from points in the city.
ahhh. Bunbury Soup Van is continuing , just cutting back on services. I know these guys.
sarahs mum said:
AwesomeO said:
I wonder what the poor people are doing? Read a couple of articles now, supermarkets no longer providing food and the volunteer infrastructure that normally do meals and drive the vans staying at home. Supermarket thing is short term,dunno about the other. Might soon have homeless knocking on doors asking for a sandwich.
I hope the govt realises that the charity food thing is falling apart.
You can’t expect the people in First Class to fret about the conditions in Steerage, m’dear.
Ah well it’s a good thing the government hasn’t spent the last 7 years punching holes in the welfare safety net
captain_spalding said:
American chem-trailers worry that the UN is a front for ‘world government’.They need not. The UN would struggle to organise a good time in a massage parlour with roll of $100 notes sticking out of their pocket.
No need to be polite about it, Mr Spalding. Just come right out and say it.
They couldn’t organise a fuck in a shaggin’ shop.
There. that wouldn’t have been to hard, would it?? :)
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:
American chem-trailers worry that the UN is a front for ‘world government’.They need not. The UN would struggle to organise a good time in a massage parlour with roll of $100 notes sticking out of their pocket.
No need to be polite about it, Mr Spalding. Just come right out and say it.
They couldn’t organise a fuck in a shaggin’ shop.
There. that wouldn’t have been to hard, would it?? :)
Not for someone brought up in that sort of environment, no.
(sniff)
dv said:
Ah well it’s a good thing the government hasn’t spent the last 7 years punching holes in the welfare safety net
You think?
These are the results of expert opinion surveys in the USA, published 18 March, based on surveys conducted 16-17 March.
https://works.bepress.com/mcandrew/2/
University of Massachusetts Amherst
COVID19-Expert ForecastSurvey5-20200316.pdf
Preliminary Report on Aggregated Expert Predictions on COVID-19
——
Some highlights:
They expect the number of cases in the USA to triple in the coming week.
On average they estimate only 12% of cases in the USA have been diagnosed: ie that the actual number of cases is about 8 times higher than the diagnosed and reported number.
Experts believe COVID-19 will be responsible for around 195,000 deaths (approximate 80% uncertainty interval: 19,000-1,200,000) in the US by the end of 2020.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Ah well it’s a good thing the government hasn’t spent the last 7 years punching holes in the welfare safety net
You think?
Absolutely. Can you imagine how it would be if the government had invested hundreds of millions of dollars into spurious and broken robodebt systems and moving people onto quarantined welfare to keep cash out of their hands etc. It would have needlessly heightened financial insecurity of the most vulnerable people.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Ah well it’s a good thing the government hasn’t spent the last 7 years punching holes in the welfare safety net
You think?
I think it was said with a degree of sarcasm.
I have heard the odd rumour about a package for people who become unemployed that will be more dollars than those on newstart. If this happens I will do my head in. After crunching down welfare into four groups of payments you can’t go and chuck two tier Newstart.
Also. I read the other day of a lady with a fluey kid and she was desperate to cancel her appt with her job provider. Desperate/ And in the end her job provider person cancelled because she was sick. How about we go immediately onto the phone consultation thing?.
dv said:
These are the results of expert opinion surveys in the USA, published 18 March, based on surveys conducted 16-17 March.https://works.bepress.com/mcandrew/2/
University of Massachusetts Amherst
COVID19-Expert ForecastSurvey5-20200316.pdf
Preliminary Report on Aggregated Expert Predictions on COVID-19
——
Some highlights:
They expect the number of cases in the USA to triple in the coming week.
On average they estimate only 12% of cases in the USA have been diagnosed: ie that the actual number of cases is about 8 times higher than the diagnosed and reported number.
Experts believe COVID-19 will be responsible for around 195,000 deaths (approximate 80% uncertainty interval: 19,000-1,200,000) in the US by the end of 2020.
Fuck.
dv said:
On average they estimate only 12% of cases in the USA have been diagnosed: ie that the actual number of cases is about 8 times higher than the diagnosed and reported number.
that is a rather disturbing number.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Ah well it’s a good thing the government hasn’t spent the last 7 years punching holes in the welfare safety net
You think?
I think it was said with a degree of sarcasm.
REALLY? SARCASM?? WELL I NEVER!
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Ah well it’s a good thing the government hasn’t spent the last 7 years punching holes in the welfare safety net
You think?
Absolutely. Can you imagine how it would be if the government had invested hundreds of millions of dollars into spurious and broken robodebt systems and moving people onto quarantined welfare to keep cash out of their hands etc. It would have needlessly heightened financial insecurity of the most vulnerable people.
:)
somebody needs to add a tic? ;)
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Ah well it’s a good thing the government hasn’t spent the last 7 years punching holes in the welfare safety net
You think?
Absolutely. Can you imagine how it would be if the government had invested hundreds of millions of dollars into spurious and broken robodebt systems and moving people onto quarantined welfare to keep cash out of their hands etc. It would have needlessly heightened financial insecurity of the most vulnerable people.
Good evening Mr roughbarked and welcome to the forum.
I think I should warn you that the poster known as dv sometimes posts stuff that is intended to be a little ironic, so it’s a good idea to watch out for that.
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
These are the results of expert opinion surveys in the USA, published 18 March, based on surveys conducted 16-17 March.https://works.bepress.com/mcandrew/2/
University of Massachusetts Amherst
COVID19-Expert ForecastSurvey5-20200316.pdf
Preliminary Report on Aggregated Expert Predictions on COVID-19
——
Some highlights:
They expect the number of cases in the USA to triple in the coming week.
On average they estimate only 12% of cases in the USA have been diagnosed: ie that the actual number of cases is about 8 times higher than the diagnosed and reported number.
Experts believe COVID-19 will be responsible for around 195,000 deaths (approximate 80% uncertainty interval: 19,000-1,200,000) in the US by the end of 2020.
Fuck.
well luckily experts don’t know everything anything
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
These are the results of expert opinion surveys in the USA, published 18 March, based on surveys conducted 16-17 March.https://works.bepress.com/mcandrew/2/
University of Massachusetts Amherst
COVID19-Expert ForecastSurvey5-20200316.pdf
Preliminary Report on Aggregated Expert Predictions on COVID-19
——
Some highlights:
They expect the number of cases in the USA to triple in the coming week.
On average they estimate only 12% of cases in the USA have been diagnosed: ie that the actual number of cases is about 8 times higher than the diagnosed and reported number.
Experts believe COVID-19 will be responsible for around 195,000 deaths (approximate 80% uncertainty interval: 19,000-1,200,000) in the US by the end of 2020.
Fuck.
The epidemiologist man the other day said 10 to 40 times. At 12% this is at the low level of his reckonngs.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:You think?
Absolutely. Can you imagine how it would be if the government had invested hundreds of millions of dollars into spurious and broken robodebt systems and moving people onto quarantined welfare to keep cash out of their hands etc. It would have needlessly heightened financial insecurity of the most vulnerable people.
Good evening Mr roughbarked and welcome to the forum.
I think I should warn you that the poster known as dv sometimes posts stuff that is intended to be a little ironic, so it’s a good idea to watch out for that.
My post was meant to convey the same.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:True but the WHO is usually expected to be particularly authoritative.
UN.
Fine when it’s all talk and cocktail parties, go to pieces under pressures of reality.
Australian government are the UN¿
SCIENCE said:
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
These are the results of expert opinion surveys in the USA, published 18 March, based on surveys conducted 16-17 March.https://works.bepress.com/mcandrew/2/
University of Massachusetts Amherst
COVID19-Expert ForecastSurvey5-20200316.pdf
Preliminary Report on Aggregated Expert Predictions on COVID-19
——
Some highlights:
They expect the number of cases in the USA to triple in the coming week.
On average they estimate only 12% of cases in the USA have been diagnosed: ie that the actual number of cases is about 8 times higher than the diagnosed and reported number.
Experts believe COVID-19 will be responsible for around 195,000 deaths (approximate 80% uncertainty interval: 19,000-1,200,000) in the US by the end of 2020.
Fuck.
well luckily experts don’t know
everythinganything
I’ll wait to hear what the stable genius says
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Divine Angel said:Fuck.
well luckily experts don’t know
everythinganything
I’ll wait to hear what the stable genius says
amen
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:True but the WHO is usually expected to be particularly authoritative.
UN.
Fine when it’s all talk and cocktail parties, go to pieces under pressures of reality.
Australian government are the UN¿
nuff said.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Absolutely. Can you imagine how it would be if the government had invested hundreds of millions of dollars into spurious and broken robodebt systems and moving people onto quarantined welfare to keep cash out of their hands etc. It would have needlessly heightened financial insecurity of the most vulnerable people.
Good evening Mr roughbarked and welcome to the forum.
I think I should warn you that the poster known as dv sometimes posts stuff that is intended to be a little ironic, so it’s a good idea to watch out for that.
My post was meant to convey the same.
Ah, but what if my post was also ironic?
Where does that leave us?
43m ago 08:21
The tally of global cases has risen to 275,452 on Saturday, as 70 million people across New York, Illinois and California face being largely confined to their homes, and Britain closes its pubs, cafes, gyms and restaurants.
More than 1,000 infections have been recorded in Japan, Australia and Canada. In Sydney, officials have temporarily closed Bondi Beach after thousands flocked there on Friday, defying guidance on social distancing. A nationwide curfew has begun in Jordan, limiting the mobility of its 10 million citizens indefinitely. Colombia also announced that it will begin a country-wide quarantine from Tuesday night. New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern asked citizens to restrict their movements around the country, and cancel all non-essential domestic travel. Those who could work from home should now do so, she said. South Korea’s prime minister Chung Sye-kyun strongly recommended religious, sports and entertainment facilities suspend operations, and advised people to avoid socialising Mainland China reported no new locally transmitted cases, but infections involving travellers arriving from other countries continued to rise. Singapore reported two coronavirus-related deaths on Saturday, marking the city-state’s first fatalities from the infection. Fatalities rose to 19 in the Philippines, while Thailand recorded 89 new cases on Saturday, the largest daily increase in infections since the outbreak began. East Timor confirmed its first infection, a citizen who had returned from traveling abroad.dv said:
These are the results of expert opinion surveys in the USA, published 18 March, based on surveys conducted 16-17 March.https://works.bepress.com/mcandrew/2/
University of Massachusetts Amherst
COVID19-Expert ForecastSurvey5-20200316.pdf
Preliminary Report on Aggregated Expert Predictions on COVID-19
——
Some highlights:
They expect the number of cases in the USA to triple in the coming week.
On average they estimate only 12% of cases in the USA have been diagnosed: ie that the actual number of cases is about 8 times higher than the diagnosed and reported number.
Experts believe COVID-19 will be responsible for around 195,000 deaths (approximate 80% uncertainty interval: 19,000-1,200,000) in the US by the end of 2020.
Presumably Trump will benefit from that.
“We need a strong man in the White House to protect us from all those diseased Chinese/Europeans/Mexicans/libtards/homos etc.”
such a long way to go though.
ChrispenEvan said:
such a long way to go though.
It would be like driving out to Norseman for groceries.
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
such a long way to go though.
It would be like driving out to Norseman for groceries.
it’s a long way to the shop when you want a dunny roll.
Bubblecar said:
Presumably Trump will benefit from that.
One can only hope that the average American is not that stupid. There are already presidential campaign ads in the US calling attention to Trumps absurd commentary re. COVID-19
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:Presumably Trump will benefit from that.
One can only hope that the average American is not that stupid. There are already presidential campaign ads in the US calling attention to Trumps absurd commentary re. COVID-19
and Zelensky was a comedian but this is serious
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
such a long way to go though.
It would be like driving out to Norseman for groceries.
Not if you are travelling between Kalgoorlie and Esperance. You ought to cut your sarcasm dv and start using your brain as to why things might happen and therefore prove your reasoning faulty.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
such a long way to go though.
It would be like driving out to Norseman for groceries.
Not if you are travelling between Kalgoorlie and Esperance. You ought to cut your sarcasm dv and start using your brain as to why things might happen and therefore prove your reasoning faulty.
so they’re now allegedly people passing through, the way they usually would, rather than driving out all that way from Shanghai just to get rolled ¿
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
such a long way to go though.
It would be like driving out to Norseman for groceries.
In all seriousness, that made me laugh…
THAT’S IT! It was the boss lady’s dear friend buying her care package for the DV crew who cleared out the Norseman IGA. Lucky she got away before the cops arrived. Small world innit.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:It would be like driving out to Norseman for groceries.
Not if you are travelling between Kalgoorlie and Esperance. You ought to cut your sarcasm dv and start using your brain as to why things might happen and therefore prove your reasoning faulty.
so they’re now allegedly people passing through, the way they usually would, rather than driving out all that way from Shanghai just to get rolled ¿
Sorry I try not to argue with the stupid.
Witty Rejoinder said:
THAT’S IT! It was the boss lady’s dear friend buying her care package for the DV crew who cleared out the Norseman IGA. Lucky she got away before the cops arrived. Small world innit.
See you still working on your stupid. You’re doing a great job.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:Not if you are travelling between Kalgoorlie and Esperance. You ought to cut your sarcasm dv and start using your brain as to why things might happen and therefore prove your reasoning faulty.
so they’re now allegedly people passing through, the way they usually would, rather than driving out all that way from Shanghai just to get rolled ¿
Sorry I try not to argue with the stupid.
it seems you’ve succeeded
Witty Rejoinder said:
THAT’S IT! It was the boss lady’s dear friend buying her care package for the DV crew who cleared out the Norseman IGA. Lucky she got away before the cops arrived. Small world innit.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/it-s-the-coronacession-we-re-closing-down-the-economy-under-doctors-orders-20200320-p54c56.html
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
THAT’S IT! It was the boss lady’s dear friend buying her care package for the DV crew who cleared out the Norseman IGA. Lucky she got away before the cops arrived. Small world innit.
Would you mind calling in your little helpers dv, or at least get smarter ones.
sarahs mum said:
. How about we go immediately onto the phone consultation thing?
.
This was done a week or so ago.
And while I’m at it, mutual obligation requirements are also turned off while the transition of everyone to Jobseeker Payment is being done. They are being encourage to meet their mutual obligations, but will not be suspended if they don’t.
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:. How about we go immediately onto the phone consultation thing?
.
This was done a week or so ago.
And while I’m at it, mutual obligation requirements are also turned off while the transition of everyone to Jobseeker Payment is being done. They are being encourage to meet their mutual obligations, but will not be suspended if they don’t.
oh good.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
THAT’S IT! It was the boss lady’s dear friend buying her care package for the DV crew who cleared out the Norseman IGA. Lucky she got away before the cops arrived. Small world innit.
Would you mind calling in your little helpers dv, or at least get smarter ones.
I’d like to but you know, quarantine
Witty Rejoinder said:
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/it-s-the-coronacession-we-re-closing-down-the-economy-under-doctors-orders-20200320-p54c56.html
is this fella sain that if we got control of this shit early, we’d not have as much pain later on ¿
COVID‑19 Information & Resources
https://www.google.com/covid19/
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
Would you mind calling in your little helpers dv, or at least get smarter ones.
I’d like to but you know, quarantine
I get all this shit from you and your stupid followers who think the sun shines from your backside. And what did I do to deserve all this? I simply passed on some factual information that contradicted what you and your dummies had said. Just goes to show what a shallow and self-centered creep you are.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:Would you mind calling in your little helpers dv, or at least get smarter ones.
I’d like to but you know, quarantine
I get all this shit from you and your stupid followers who think the sun shines from your backside. And what did I do to deserve all this? I simply passed on some factual information that contradicted what you and your dummies had said. Just goes to show what a shallow and self-centered creep you are.
Nah we’re just calling your wife a dirty liar.
There may or may not have been a run on groceries in Norseman by out-of-towners, but it’s not really worth bickering about.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:I’d like to but you know, quarantine
I get all this shit from you and your stupid followers who think the sun shines from your backside. And what did I do to deserve all this? I simply passed on some factual information that contradicted what you and your dummies had said. Just goes to show what a shallow and self-centered creep you are.
Nah we’re just calling your wife a dirty liar.
From someone who claims to have Aboriginal heritage. Your are a disgrace!
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:I’d like to but you know, quarantine
I get all this shit from you and your stupid followers who think the sun shines from your backside. And what did I do to deserve all this? I simply passed on some factual information that contradicted what you and your dummies had said. Just goes to show what a shallow and self-centered creep you are.
Nah we’re just calling your wife a dirty liar.
can you all just go get a room at some a Christmas Island function centre and social distance yourselves there please
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/it-s-the-coronacession-we-re-closing-down-the-economy-under-doctors-orders-20200320-p54c56.html
is this fella sain that if we got control of this shit early, we’d not have as much pain later on ¿
It’s all about closing schools with you isn’t it…
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:I’d like to but you know, quarantine
I get all this shit from you and your stupid followers who think the sun shines from your backside. And what did I do to deserve all this? I simply passed on some factual information that contradicted what you and your dummies had said. Just goes to show what a shallow and self-centered creep you are.
Nah we’re just calling your wife a dirty liar.
She lives in Norseman, he does not, makes her seem quite intelligent…
Bubblecar said:
There may or may not have been a run on groceries in Norseman by out-of-towners, but it’s not really worth bickering about.
oh yes it is!
I seriously don’t think I have “followers” here. I have some people who tolerate me.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I get all this shit from you and your stupid followers who think the sun shines from your backside. And what did I do to deserve all this? I simply passed on some factual information that contradicted what you and your dummies had said. Just goes to show what a shallow and self-centered creep you are.
Nah we’re just calling your wife a dirty liar.
From someone who claims to have Aboriginal heritage. Your are a disgrace!
Strange link but sure. Go with it.
dv said:
I seriously don’t think I have “followers” here. I have some people who tolerate me.
like
follow
do you have a newletter?
dv said:
I seriously don’t think I have “followers” here. I have some people who tolerate me.
You’re not much of a DO surrogate I grant you that…
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
I seriously don’t think I have “followers” here. I have some people who tolerate me.
like
follow
do you have a newletter?
s
dv said:
I seriously don’t think I have “followers” here. I have some people who tolerate me.
I will follow him.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Nah we’re just calling your wife a dirty liar.
From someone who claims to have Aboriginal heritage. Your are a disgrace!
Strange link but sure. Go with it.
the ignoble savage.
Bubblecar said:
There may or may not have been a run on groceries in Norseman by out-of-towners, but it’s not really worth bickering about.
You say that now but wait until they come to your town, they might even park their bus in your driveway…
Bubblecar said:
There may or may not have been a run on groceries in Norseman by out-of-towners, but it’s not really worth bickering about.
I’m not bickering about anything, I simply provided some information.
furious said:
they might even park their bus in your driveway…
is that a eupherism?
ChrispenEvan said:
furious said:they might even park their bus in your driveway…
is that a euphemism?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
I seriously don’t think I have “followers” here. I have some people who tolerate me.
I will follow him.
where’s your wimple?
Maybe there’ll be an article about it in tomorrow’s Norseman Argus.
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
furious said:they might even park their bus in your driveway…
is that a euphemism?
Oh, stop it…
dv said:
These are the results of expert opinion surveys in the USA, published 18 March, based on surveys conducted 16-17 March.https://works.bepress.com/mcandrew/2/
University of Massachusetts Amherst
COVID19-Expert ForecastSurvey5-20200316.pdf
Preliminary Report on Aggregated Expert Predictions on COVID-19
——
Some highlights:
They expect the number of cases in the USA to triple in the coming week.
On average they estimate only 12% of cases in the USA have been diagnosed: ie that the actual number of cases is about 8 times higher than the diagnosed and reported number.
Experts believe COVID-19 will be responsible for around 195,000 deaths (approximate 80% uncertainty interval: 19,000-1,200,000) in the US by the end of 2020.
Should point out:
“They expect the number of cases in the USA to triple in the coming week.”
It actually tripled in three days since the survey ended. (From 6411 to 19383).
I only come here to educate and try to add reason. Just goes to show what a waste of time that it.
party_pants said:
Obviousman said:
This is all slightly reminiscent of when AIDS first hit the scene. People didn’t give a stuff.. until it affected them.Nearly 40 years and we still haven’t learnt.
It is called human nature. We are not naturally good at working out risk and probabilities. Sitting down and working it out rationally is a learned skill.
if people were good at it they likely wouldn’t breed, but you know there’s a sort of replicator bias, add that to the list of biases, you and I have got it, evident in idealizations of rationality
most of the universe isn’t ‘rational’, in fact rationality may be so scarce as to be safely speculated to not exist at all, never did
PermeateFree said:
I only come here to educate and try to add reason. Just goes to show what a waste of time that it.
Now we know what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object…
PermeateFree said:
I only come here to educate and try to add reason. Just goes to show what a waste of time that it.
I thought you came here to be made fun of because you don’t know what an el Nino is, you don’t know that West Papua is not a country and you had mini meteoroids to report.
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
I only come here to educate and try to add reason. Just goes to show what a waste of time that it.
Now we know what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object…
That’s why I try to avoid the stupid.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Nah we’re just calling your wife a dirty liar.
From someone who claims to have Aboriginal heritage. Your are a disgrace!
Strange link but sure. Go with it.
(Enters room. Assesses atmosphere. Turns around. Exits.)
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/it-s-the-coronacession-we-re-closing-down-the-economy-under-doctors-orders-20200320-p54c56.html
is this fella sain that if we got control of this shit early, we’d not have as much pain later on ¿
It’s all about closing schools with you isn’t it…
close the hospitals
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
I only come here to educate and try to add reason. Just goes to show what a waste of time that it.
I thought you came here to be made fun of because you don’t know what an el Nino is, you don’t know that West Papua is not a country and you had mini meteoroids to report.
Sorry, don’t argue with the stupid and how stupid are you? Good job there is not a scale of stupid because you wouldn’t get on it.
Make that meteorite.
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
I seriously don’t think I have “followers” here. I have some people who tolerate me.
like
follow
do you have a newletter?
s
Nice pun;
Witty Rejoinder said:
Make that meteorite.
Shakes head and rolls eyes.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Make that meteorite.
Shakes head and rolls eyes.
Are you having a stroke?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
I seriously don’t think I have “followers” here. I have some people who tolerate me.
I will follow him.
It’s just an act, sister!
Witty Rejoinder said:
Make that meteorite.
all part of the education, I looked it up
from wiki
“A meteoroid (/ˈmiːtiərɔɪd/) is a small rocky or metallic body in outer space. Meteoroids are significantly smaller than asteroids, and range in size from small grains to one-meter-wide objects. Objects smaller than this are classified as micrometeoroids or space dust. Most are fragments from comets or asteroids”
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Make that meteorite.
Shakes head and rolls eyes.
Are you having a stroke?
is that euphemism
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Make that meteorite.
Shakes head and rolls eyes.
Are you having a stroke?
Thanks, had my fun, you can go now.
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
I only come here to educate and try to add reason. Just goes to show what a waste of time that it.
Now we know what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object…
That’s why I try to avoid the stupid.
and then ‘e comes here to mingle
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Shakes head and rolls eyes.
Are you having a stroke?
is that euphemism
a
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Make that meteorite.
Shakes head and rolls eyes.
Are you having a stroke?
What’s with these euphemisms ¿
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Make that meteorite.
Shakes head and rolls eyes.
Are you having a stroke?
there was this boy whose
Parents made him come directly home right after school
And when they went to their church
They shook and lurched all over the church floor
He couldn’t quite explain it
They’d always just gone there
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Shakes head and rolls eyes.
Are you having a stroke?
Thanks, had my fun, you can go now.
Do you want a tissue?
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Are you having a stroke?
is that euphemism
a
ok beaten by a stroke off genius
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Shakes head and rolls eyes.
Are you having a stroke?
is that euphemism
There you go again, being funny…
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Shakes head and rolls eyes.
Are you having a stroke?
is that euphemism
This is a euphonium:
Does that help?
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Are you having a stroke?
is that euphemism
This is a euphonium:
Does that help?
sooooo are you blowing your own horn?
furious said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Shakes head and rolls eyes.
Are you having a stroke?
there was this boy whose
Parents made him come directly home right after school
And when they went to their church
They shook and lurched all over the church floor
He couldn’t quite explain it
They’d always just gone there
That’s a strange euphemism.
Tau.Neutrino said:
furious said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Are you having a stroke?
there was this boy whose
Parents made him come directly home right after school
And when they went to their church
They shook and lurched all over the church floor
He couldn’t quite explain it
They’d always just gone there
That’s a strange euphemism.
mmmm
Tau.Neutrino said:
furious said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Are you having a stroke?
there was this boy whose
Parents made him come directly home right after school
And when they went to their church
They shook and lurched all over the church floor
He couldn’t quite explain it
They’d always just gone there
That’s a strange euphemism.
mmmm
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:is that euphemism
This is a euphonium:
Does that help?
sooooo are you blowing your own horn?
Sounding the alarm?
Blowing the Last Trump?
Dunno.
furious said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
furious said:there was this boy whose
Parents made him come directly home right after school
And when they went to their church
They shook and lurched all over the church floor
He couldn’t quite explain it
They’d always just gone there
That’s a strange euphemism.
mmmm
Another euphemism?
There’s claims of it everywhere. Yet… oddly, not one pic of any of them climbing back on the bus with their trolley loads of stuff.
Shepparton local Barbara Bikoff, 69, said two ladies she did not recognise approached her at Safeway in the plaza at about 1 pm on Wednesday asking where the detergent was kept.
“I asked them where they were from because I hadn’t seen them before, and I know most people around here,” she said.
The Dancing With The Stars host claims to have seen a gang of coronavirus preppers “raiding” supermarkets in his hometown of Bathurst, 200km west of Sydney.
The same group reportedly targeted two other central west NSW cities, Orange and Lithgow, before returning to Sydney.
…. and now Norseman.
Woodie said:
There’s claims of it everywhere. Yet… oddly, not one pic of any of them climbing back on the bus with their trolley loads of stuff.Shepparton local Barbara Bikoff, 69, said two ladies she did not recognise approached her at Safeway in the plaza at about 1 pm on Wednesday asking where the detergent was kept.
“I asked them where they were from because I hadn’t seen them before, and I know most people around here,” she said.
The Dancing With The Stars host claims to have seen a gang of coronavirus preppers “raiding” supermarkets in his hometown of Bathurst, 200km west of Sydney.
The same group reportedly targeted two other central west NSW cities, Orange and Lithgow, before returning to Sydney.
…. and now Norseman.
Fuck me, Shep has a population of around 50k and Barbara knows most of them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/crowdsourcedmedical/
This sub shouldn’t need to exist.
….. and surely, if The Guardian says there’s no evidence of it, then that’s the end of that.
Divine Angel said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/crowdsourcedmedical/This sub shouldn’t need to exist.
Doesn’t exist here.
Woodie said:
….. and surely, if The Guardian says there’s no evidence of it, then that’s the end of that.
The Guardian has probably never heard of Norseman.
I like how they specify which colour means “ocean”.
Lost your job or had your hours cut?
In addition to handing back $1.1bil in payroll tax to small businesses, the Vic government is planning to employ several thousand people in the response:
Working for Victoria basic info and Expression of Interest form.
furious said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Shakes head and rolls eyes.
Are you having a stroke?
there was this boy whose
Parents made him come directly home right after school
And when they went to their church
They shook and lurched all over the church floor
He couldn’t quite explain it
They’d always just gone there
Now what is below stupid?
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Are you having a stroke?
there was this boy whose
Parents made him come directly home right after school
And when they went to their church
They shook and lurched all over the church floor
He couldn’t quite explain it
They’d always just gone there
Now what is below stupid?
It’s turtles, all the way down.
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
….. and surely, if The Guardian says there’s no evidence of it, then that’s the end of that.The Guardian has probably never heard of Norseman.
There was a comic in the Sunday Times, involving a Norseman, I was going to make a joke about that, but for the life of me I can’t remember the name…
Woodie said:
There’s claims of it everywhere. Yet… oddly, not one pic of any of them climbing back on the bus with their trolley loads of stuff.Shepparton local Barbara Bikoff, 69, said two ladies she did not recognise approached her at Safeway in the plaza at about 1 pm on Wednesday asking where the detergent was kept.
“I asked them where they were from because I hadn’t seen them before, and I know most people around here,” she said.
The Dancing With The Stars host claims to have seen a gang of coronavirus preppers “raiding” supermarkets in his hometown of Bathurst, 200km west of Sydney.
The same group reportedly targeted two other central west NSW cities, Orange and Lithgow, before returning to Sydney.
…. and now Norseman.
Just think if you had sold your shares you could be doing the same. :)
Divine Angel said:
I like how they specify which colour means “ocean”.
Since they ask: I think colour coded maps of extrensic, rather than intrinsic, properties are a bit naf, as it will mainly show that populous countries are populous. This format is useful for showing intrinsic properties, eg. per capita cases, per capita deaths, percentage of the population tested etc.
furious said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
….. and surely, if The Guardian says there’s no evidence of it, then that’s the end of that.The Guardian has probably never heard of Norseman.
There was a comic in the Sunday Times, involving a Norseman, I was going to make a joke about that, but for the life of me I can’t remember the name…
hagar the horrible.
furious said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
….. and surely, if The Guardian says there’s no evidence of it, then that’s the end of that.The Guardian has probably never heard of Norseman.
There was a comic in the Sunday Times, involving a Norseman, I was going to make a joke about that, but for the life of me I can’t remember the name…
Torkan! It was bloody Torkan!
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
….. and surely, if The Guardian says there’s no evidence of it, then that’s the end of that.The Guardian has probably never heard of Norseman.
Honestly if someone actually does produce evidence of it, I will be the first to eat my hat, or crow, or whatever it is. The key point is apt: we have got several videos of individuals that the videographers think are hoarding. That’s what people do these days. Everyone is carrying at least one camera, and if they see anything remotely unusual or interesting, they video it and upload it or sell it to news outlets.
So if there are all these cases of locals being incensed by busloads of Chinese people driving to rural areas to empty the stores of goods: where are the videos? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’ll believe it when I see it and until then I’ll treat is a misinformation campaign.
furious said:
furious said:
party_pants said:The Guardian has probably never heard of Norseman.
There was a comic in the Sunday Times, involving a Norseman, I was going to make a joke about that, but for the life of me I can’t remember the name…
Torkan! It was bloody Torkan!
Most tedious comic strip ever. Even worse than (yea, worse than) The Phantom.
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
….. and surely, if The Guardian says there’s no evidence of it, then that’s the end of that.The Guardian has probably never heard of Norseman.
Possibly not, but I think there are many people going for a drive or diverting from their normal routes to raid small town supermarkets. The only difference is they are not using buses. You have got to be missing a screw if you think that is not going on.
Several logical fallacies for your enjoyment in this one.
Photos show why hand sanitizer doesn’t work as well as soap and water to remove germs
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:there was this boy whose
Parents made him come directly home right after school
And when they went to their church
They shook and lurched all over the church floor
He couldn’t quite explain it
They’d always just gone there
Now what is below stupid?
It’s turtles, all the way down.
LOL
Rule 303 said:
Several logical fallacies for your enjoyment in this one.Photos show why hand sanitizer doesn’t work as well as soap and water to remove germs
No point in reading that.
The world we live in is based on, and dependent on, logical fallacies. Especially in politics.
If we’re going to start doing things according to logic, it’s all going A over T very promptly.
Tau.Neutrino said:
furious said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Are you having a stroke?
there was this boy whose
Parents made him come directly home right after school
And when they went to their church
They shook and lurched all over the church floor
He couldn’t quite explain it
They’d always just gone there
That’s a strange euphemism.
Mr Lucas: You were a Bevin Boy?
Mr Humphries: Yes! Oh but it changed me. I went down a boy and came up a man.
dv said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
….. and surely, if The Guardian says there’s no evidence of it, then that’s the end of that.The Guardian has probably never heard of Norseman.
Honestly if someone actually does produce evidence of it, I will be the first to eat my hat, or crow, or whatever it is. The key point is apt: we have got several videos of individuals that the videographers think are hoarding. That’s what people do these days. Everyone is carrying at least one camera, and if they see anything remotely unusual or interesting, they video it and upload it or sell it to news outlets.
So if there are all these cases of locals being incensed by busloads of Chinese people driving to rural areas to empty the stores of goods: where are the videos? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’ll believe it when I see it and until then I’ll treat is a misinformation campaign.
If anyone could do it dv, then you would be hot favorite. :))) Love the way you tweak things just a little in your favour, a master.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
furious said:there was this boy whose
Parents made him come directly home right after school
And when they went to their church
They shook and lurched all over the church floor
He couldn’t quite explain it
They’d always just gone there
That’s a strange euphemism.
Mr Lucas: You were a Bevin Boy?
Mr Humphries: Yes! Oh but it changed me. I went down a boy and came up a man.
That was a fun show.
The writers put in lines like that just to see what they could get away with, how far they could push the line.
PermeateFree said:
If anyone could do it dv, then you would be hot favorite. :))) Love the way you tweak things just a little in your favour, a master.
There’s that shit-eating grin again.
PermeateFree said:
If anyone could do it dv, then you would be hot favorite. :)))
Much though I’d love to be doing amateur sleuthing at remote IGAs, I’m somewhat stuck inside at the moment. I’ll have one of my followers do it.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:If anyone could do it dv, then you would be hot favorite. :))) Love the way you tweak things just a little in your favour, a master.
There’s that shit-eating grin again.
You still around?
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:If anyone could do it dv, then you would be hot favorite. :))) Love the way you tweak things just a little in your favour, a master.
There’s that shit-eating grin again.
You still around?
You feeling contrite after losing your argument now?
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:If anyone could do it dv, then you would be hot favorite. :))) Love the way you tweak things just a little in your favour, a master.
There’s that shit-eating grin again.
You still around?
I’ve never actually eaten shit, but i have been sprayed from head to foot with it.
The idea of grinning did not occur at the time.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:If anyone could do it dv, then you would be hot favorite. :)))
Much though I’d love to be doing amateur sleuthing at remote IGAs, I’m somewhat stuck inside at the moment. I’ll have one of my followers do it.
They would considerate it an honor, although they might need some money. Boris loves you too.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:If anyone could do it dv, then you would be hot favorite. :))) Love the way you tweak things just a little in your favour, a master.
There’s that shit-eating grin again.
it’s that civet coffee, isn’t that where COVID-03 came from
dv said:
Much though I’d love to be doing amateur sleuthing at remote IGAs, I’m somewhat stuck inside at the moment. I’ll have one of my followers do it.
One of your ‘Baker Street Irregulars’ what?
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:There’s that shit-eating grin again.
You still around?
I’ve never actually eaten shit, but i have been sprayed from head to foot with it.
The idea of grinning did not occur at the time.
whipper snipping lawns of people who own dogs.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:If anyone could do it dv, then you would be hot favorite. :))) Love the way you tweak things just a little in your favour, a master.
There’s that shit-eating grin again.
it’s that civet coffee, isn’t that where COVID-03 came from
I get all high when I think I’ve smelled the scent of elephant manure, hell, I meant Kahlúa
I can report that in my IGA, on the Midland Highway between Launceston and Hobart, the toilet rolls have been hit hard and there were none when I shopped yesterday and the day before.
The rice was also severely depleted, and there were signs on those shelves and a few others (tinned fish, frozen veg etc) limiting the number of items each customer could purchase.
But most stock was at normal levels.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:There’s that shit-eating grin again.
You still around?
You feeling contrite after losing your argument now?
I try not to argue with idiots, they just don’t understand, although dv will probably help you out.
dv said:
These are the results of expert opinion surveys in the USA, published 18 March, based on surveys conducted 16-17 March.https://works.bepress.com/mcandrew/2/
University of Massachusetts Amherst
COVID19-Expert ForecastSurvey5-20200316.pdf
Preliminary Report on Aggregated Expert Predictions on COVID-19
——
Some highlights:
They expect the number of cases in the USA to triple in the coming week.
On average they estimate only 12% of cases in the USA have been diagnosed: ie that the actual number of cases is about 8 times higher than the diagnosed and reported number.
Experts believe COVID-19 will be responsible for around 195,000 deaths (approximate 80% uncertainty interval: 19,000-1,200,000) in the US by the end of 2020.
I think that’s a severe under-estimate.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:There’s that shit-eating grin again.
You still around?
I’ve never actually eaten shit, but i have been sprayed from head to foot with it.
The idea of grinning did not occur at the time.
Just pat him on the head and move on.
Bubblecar said:
I can report that in my IGA, on the Midland Highway between Launceston and Hobart, the toilet rolls have been hit hard and there were none when I shopped yesterday and the day before.The rice was also severely depleted, and there were signs on those shelves and a few others (tinned fish, frozen veg etc) limiting the number of items each customer could purchase.
But most stock was at normal levels.
Norseman folk, being hit hard by out of towers, took matters into their own hands and raided a quiet village in Tasmania to supplement their meagre supplies…
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:You still around?
You feeling contrite after losing your argument now?
I try not to argue with idiots, they just don’t understand, although dv will probably help you out.
No really. You have a tell… how’s it feel to be wrong again?
furious said:
Bubblecar said:
I can report that in my IGA, on the Midland Highway between Launceston and Hobart, the toilet rolls have been hit hard and there were none when I shopped yesterday and the day before.The rice was also severely depleted, and there were signs on those shelves and a few others (tinned fish, frozen veg etc) limiting the number of items each customer could purchase.
But most stock was at normal levels.
Norseman folk, being hit hard by out of towers, took matters into their own hands and raided a quiet village in Tasmania to supplement their meagre supplies…
‘“From the fury of the Norsemen, O Lord deliver us.’
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You feeling contrite after losing your argument now?
I try not to argue with idiots, they just don’t understand, although dv will probably help you out.
No really. You have a tell… how’s it feel to be wrong again?
What can you say to a fool. Please go away you are embarrassing to everyone.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I try not to argue with idiots, they just don’t understand, although dv will probably help you out.
No really. You have a tell… how’s it feel to be wrong again?
What can you say to a fool. Please go away you are embarrassing to everyone.
Heh. Avoiding the question.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I try not to argue with idiots, they just don’t understand, although dv will probably help you out.
No really. You have a tell… how’s it feel to be wrong again?
What can you say to a fool. Please go away you are embarrassing to everyone.
Something you’ve heard a lot of? That has got to be demoralising…
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I try not to argue with idiots, they just don’t understand, although dv will probably help you out.
No really. You have a tell… how’s it feel to be wrong again?
What can you say to a fool. Please go away you are embarrassing to everyone.
Ooh, it’s like watching the Battle of Surigao Strait.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:No really. You have a tell… how’s it feel to be wrong again?
What can you say to a fool. Please go away you are embarrassing to everyone.
Heh. Avoiding the question.
Please go away, your lack of awareness and really stupid comment is getting everyone down.
Bubblecar said:
I can report that in my IGA, on the Midland Highway between Launceston and Hobart, the toilet rolls have been hit hard and there were none when I shopped yesterday and the day before.The rice was also severely depleted, and there were signs on those shelves and a few others (tinned fish, frozen veg etc) limiting the number of items each customer could purchase.
But most stock was at normal levels.
Any suspicious looking buses parked out the front, Parpyone? Did you take any snaps?
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:No really. You have a tell… how’s it feel to be wrong again?
What can you say to a fool. Please go away you are embarrassing to everyone.
Something you’ve heard a lot of? That has got to be demoralising…
Please dv, call them off!
My mistake.
More like Second Battle of Guadalcanal.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:What can you say to a fool. Please go away you are embarrassing to everyone.
Heh. Avoiding the question.
Please go away, your lack of awareness and really stupid comment is getting everyone down.
Poor PF.
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
I can report that in my IGA, on the Midland Highway between Launceston and Hobart, the toilet rolls have been hit hard and there were none when I shopped yesterday and the day before.The rice was also severely depleted, and there were signs on those shelves and a few others (tinned fish, frozen veg etc) limiting the number of items each customer could purchase.
But most stock was at normal levels.
Any suspicious looking buses parked out the front, Parpyone? Did you take any snaps?
Just ordinary shopping traffic. I’m sure we have enough idiots in this village to buy out all the bog rolls, but we do normally have some amount of highway traffic peeping into the shops anyway.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Heh. Avoiding the question.
Please go away, your lack of awareness and really stupid comment is getting everyone down.
Poor PF.
Yes I need a little sympathy. Certain people can be very tiring.
Seriously, I’d be too embarrased to buy bulk toilet paper. I dont even like buying it at the best of times…
furious said:
Seriously, I’d be too embarrased to buy bulk toilet paper. I dont even like buying it at the best of times…
+1.
furious said:
Seriously, I’d be too embarrased to buy bulk toilet paper. I dont even like buying it at the best of times…
Are you trying to appear intelligent? Because it ain’t working.
furious said:
Seriously, I’d be too embarrased to buy bulk toilet paper. I dont even like buying it at the best of times…
You and your dirty dirty bottom.
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
Seriously, I’d be too embarrased to buy bulk toilet paper. I dont even like buying it at the best of times…
Are you trying to appear intelligent? Because it ain’t working.
A simple statement of fact PF, nothing more, nothing less…
ChrispenEvan said:
furious said:
Seriously, I’d be too embarrased to buy bulk toilet paper. I dont even like buying it at the best of times…
+1.
I usually buy 48 rolls at a time. I wouldn’t dare do that now, even if I happened to be lucky to find that much.
I visited a supplier a couple of days ago and was ushered to the board room, where the toilet paper was stacked to the ceiling. After I commented on it, he insisted that they always have that much in stock, but that it now needed to be stored in a more secure place than it usually was. My brother is a construction manager and has reported similar issues (of theft) on his building sites.
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
Seriously, I’d be too embarrased to buy bulk toilet paper. I dont even like buying it at the best of times…
Are you trying to appear intelligent? Because it ain’t working.
A simple statement of fact PF, nothing more, nothing less…
If you say so.
furious said:
Seriously, I’d be too embarrased to buy bulk toilet paper. I dont even like buying it at the best of times…
Do you buy other “embarrassing” items like condoms or sanitary products for mum/sister/girlfriend?
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
PermeateFree said:Are you trying to appear intelligent? Because it ain’t working.
A simple statement of fact PF, nothing more, nothing less…
If you say so.
Yes. Yes, I did…
Divine Angel said:
furious said:
Seriously, I’d be too embarrased to buy bulk toilet paper. I dont even like buying it at the best of times…
Do you buy other “embarrassing” items like condoms or sanitary products for mum/sister/girlfriend?
No.
furious said:
Seriously, I’d be too embarrased to buy bulk toilet paper. I dont even like buying it at the best of times…
<shrug> It’s a necessity, like soap and hair-care products. I once found a special at a market of a pack of 96 rolls for $8, so bought a pack. Carrying them home (about 3km) on a bicycle was interesting, though.
Divine Angel said:
furious said:
Seriously, I’d be too embarrased to buy bulk toilet paper. I dont even like buying it at the best of times…
Do you buy other “embarrassing” items like condoms or sanitary products for mum/sister/girlfriend?
No.
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:A simple statement of fact PF, nothing more, nothing less…
If you say so.
Yes. Yes, I did…
:)
Speedy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
furious said:
Seriously, I’d be too embarrased to buy bulk toilet paper. I dont even like buying it at the best of times…
+1.
I usually buy 48 rolls at a time. I wouldn’t dare do that now, even if I happened to be lucky to find that much.
I visited a supplier a couple of days ago and was ushered to the board room, where the toilet paper was stacked to the ceiling. After I commented on it, he insisted that they always have that much in stock, but that it now needed to be stored in a more secure place than it usually was. My brother is a construction manager and has reported similar issues (of theft) on his building sites.
It is probably not very good quality paper. I once bought a big bulk pack of about 100 rolls for work from a catalog supplier, who used to provide us with packaging and wrapping materials. It was cheap but very low grade stuff. The staff didn’t like it much, but since we had 100 rolls there was no option but to use it all.
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
what did they use at home? the mind is really boggling at this point in time.
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
Weird.
ChrispenEvan said:
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
what did they use at home? the mind is really boggling at this point in time.
I honestly don’t know 😳
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
Maybe you were invited around every time they ran out.
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
Weird.
Hey, I remember you resorting to the yellow pages once ;)
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
I kind of feel weird buying bread too. It’s the appearance of normality. I think they might see through me and realise I am not… normal that is…
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
Weird.
Seems some forumites also have TP issues so perhaps we’re the weird ones. :-)
Divine Angel said:
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
Weird.
Hey, I remember you resorting to the yellow pages once ;)
That was an emergency situation, not the normal state of affairs.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
Weird.
Seems some forumites also have TP issues so perhaps we’re the weird ones. :-)
i do sometimes think it a bit weird how you (not you personally) wipe your bum.
furious said:
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
I kind of feel weird buying bread too. It’s the appearance of normality. I think they might see through me and realise I am not… normal that is…
Jesus he muttered out the corner of his mouth.
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:Weird.
Seems some forumites also have TP issues so perhaps we’re the weird ones. :-)
i do sometimes think it a bit weird how you (not you personally) wipe your bum.
Scrunchers are definitely weird. Folding is so much more efficient.
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:Weird.
Seems some forumites also have TP issues so perhaps we’re the weird ones. :-)
i do sometimes think it a bit weird how you (not you personally) wipe your bum.
Humans of the future will be equipped with self-wiping bums.
Divine Angel said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Seems some forumites also have TP issues so perhaps we’re the weird ones. :-)
i do sometimes think it a bit weird how you (not you personally) wipe your bum.
Scrunchers are definitely weird. Folding is so much more efficient.
I agree. might as well keep it neat and tidy.
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
I kind of feel weird buying bread too. It’s the appearance of normality. I think they might see through me and realise I am not… normal that is…
Jesus he muttered out the corner of his mouth.
Dont worry, you’re definitely not normal…
sarahs mum said:
43m ago 08:21The tally of global cases has risen to 275,452 on Saturday, as 70 million people across New York, Illinois and California face being largely confined to their homes, and Britain closes its pubs, cafes, gyms and restaurants.
More than 1,000 infections have been recorded in Japan, Australia and Canada. In Sydney, officials have temporarily closed Bondi Beach after thousands flocked there on Friday, defying guidance on social distancing. A nationwide curfew has begun in Jordan, limiting the mobility of its 10 million citizens indefinitely. Colombia also announced that it will begin a country-wide quarantine from Tuesday night. New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern asked citizens to restrict their movements around the country, and cancel all non-essential domestic travel. Those who could work from home should now do so, she said. South Korea’s prime minister Chung Sye-kyun strongly recommended religious, sports and entertainment facilities suspend operations, and advised people to avoid socialising Mainland China reported no new locally transmitted cases, but infections involving travellers arriving from other countries continued to rise. Singapore reported two coronavirus-related deaths on Saturday, marking the city-state’s first fatalities from the infection. Fatalities rose to 19 in the Philippines, while Thailand recorded 89 new cases on Saturday, the largest daily increase in infections since the outbreak began. East Timor confirmed its first infection, a citizen who had returned from traveling abroad.
So what do you reckon we should do?
Speedy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
furious said:
Seriously, I’d be too embarrased to buy bulk toilet paper. I dont even like buying it at the best of times…
+1.
I usually buy 48 rolls at a time. I wouldn’t dare do that now, even if I happened to be lucky to find that much.
I visited a supplier a couple of days ago and was ushered to the board room, where the toilet paper was stacked to the ceiling. After I commented on it, he insisted that they always have that much in stock, but that it now needed to be stored in a more secure place than it usually was. My brother is a construction manager and has reported similar issues (of theft) on his building sites.
We usually buy 24 rolls.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
These are the results of expert opinion surveys in the USA, published 18 March, based on surveys conducted 16-17 March.https://works.bepress.com/mcandrew/2/
University of Massachusetts Amherst
COVID19-Expert ForecastSurvey5-20200316.pdf
Preliminary Report on Aggregated Expert Predictions on COVID-19
——
Some highlights:
They expect the number of cases in the USA to triple in the coming week.
On average they estimate only 12% of cases in the USA have been diagnosed: ie that the actual number of cases is about 8 times higher than the diagnosed and reported number.
Experts believe COVID-19 will be responsible for around 195,000 deaths (approximate 80% uncertainty interval: 19,000-1,200,000) in the US by the end of 2020.
Presumably Trump will benefit from that.
“We need a strong man in the White House to protect us from all those diseased Chinese/Europeans/Mexicans/libtards/homos etc.”
Meanwhile a million Americans die..
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:I kind of feel weird buying bread too. It’s the appearance of normality. I think they might see through me and realise I am not… normal that is…
Jesus he muttered out the corner of his mouth.
Dont worry, you’re definitely not normal…
Sorry, got to go now, the interaction has definitely been unusual.
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
Weird.
They probably just stuck it away somewhere so that you’d bring a roll each time.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
such a long way to go though.
It would be like driving out to Norseman for groceries.
it’s a long way to the shop when you want a dunny roll.
:)
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:43m ago 08:21The tally of global cases has risen to 275,452 on Saturday, as 70 million people across New York, Illinois and California face being largely confined to their homes, and Britain closes its pubs, cafes, gyms and restaurants.
More than 1,000 infections have been recorded in Japan, Australia and Canada. In Sydney, officials have temporarily closed Bondi Beach after thousands flocked there on Friday, defying guidance on social distancing. A nationwide curfew has begun in Jordan, limiting the mobility of its 10 million citizens indefinitely. Colombia also announced that it will begin a country-wide quarantine from Tuesday night. New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern asked citizens to restrict their movements around the country, and cancel all non-essential domestic travel. Those who could work from home should now do so, she said. South Korea’s prime minister Chung Sye-kyun strongly recommended religious, sports and entertainment facilities suspend operations, and advised people to avoid socialising Mainland China reported no new locally transmitted cases, but infections involving travellers arriving from other countries continued to rise. Singapore reported two coronavirus-related deaths on Saturday, marking the city-state’s first fatalities from the infection. Fatalities rose to 19 in the Philippines, while Thailand recorded 89 new cases on Saturday, the largest daily increase in infections since the outbreak began. East Timor confirmed its first infection, a citizen who had returned from traveling abroad.So what do you reckon we should do?
Stay home and relax, communicate electronically. Shop when necessary.
Divine Angel said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
what did they use at home? the mind is really boggling at this point in time.
I honestly don’t know 😳
Well ask him. We all need to know.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
such a long way to go though.
It would be like driving out to Norseman for groceries.
Not if you are travelling between Kalgoorlie and Esperance. You ought to cut your sarcasm dv and start using your brain as to why things might happen and therefore prove your reasoning faulty.
What?
IDGI
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:43m ago 08:21The tally of global cases has risen to 275,452 on Saturday, as 70 million people across New York, Illinois and California face being largely confined to their homes, and Britain closes its pubs, cafes, gyms and restaurants.
More than 1,000 infections have been recorded in Japan, Australia and Canada. In Sydney, officials have temporarily closed Bondi Beach after thousands flocked there on Friday, defying guidance on social distancing. A nationwide curfew has begun in Jordan, limiting the mobility of its 10 million citizens indefinitely. Colombia also announced that it will begin a country-wide quarantine from Tuesday night. New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern asked citizens to restrict their movements around the country, and cancel all non-essential domestic travel. Those who could work from home should now do so, she said. South Korea’s prime minister Chung Sye-kyun strongly recommended religious, sports and entertainment facilities suspend operations, and advised people to avoid socialising Mainland China reported no new locally transmitted cases, but infections involving travellers arriving from other countries continued to rise. Singapore reported two coronavirus-related deaths on Saturday, marking the city-state’s first fatalities from the infection. Fatalities rose to 19 in the Philippines, while Thailand recorded 89 new cases on Saturday, the largest daily increase in infections since the outbreak began. East Timor confirmed its first infection, a citizen who had returned from traveling abroad.So what do you reckon we should do?
Stay home and relax, communicate electronically. Shop when necessary.
Some people have jobs. Some jobs are quite important to society…
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:It would be like driving out to Norseman for groceries.
Not if you are travelling between Kalgoorlie and Esperance. You ought to cut your sarcasm dv and start using your brain as to why things might happen and therefore prove your reasoning faulty.
What?
IDGI
All there if you read it slowly MV, but not going through it all again. Later perhaps.
Woodie said:
Divine Angel said:
ChrispenEvan said:what did they use at home? the mind is really boggling at this point in time.
I honestly don’t know 😳
Well ask him. We all need to know.
He says he doesn’t remember. It is, what, 12 years ago now.
furious said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:So what do you reckon we should do?
Stay home and relax, communicate electronically. Shop when necessary.
Some people have jobs. Some jobs are quite important to society…
Of course but I was replying to Michael, who is retired.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:Would you mind calling in your little helpers dv, or at least get smarter ones.
I’d like to but you know, quarantine
I get all this shit from you and your stupid followers who think the sun shines from your backside. And what did I do to deserve all this? I simply passed on some factual information that contradicted what you and your dummies had said. Just goes to show what a shallow and self-centered creep you are.
WhAR?
i MEN wHAT?
ChrispenEvan said:
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
what did they use at home? the mind is really boggling at this point in time.
Share houses can become pretty dysfunctional. Not uncommon for people to label things in fridges and hide things in their bedroooms.
Divine Angel said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Seems some forumites also have TP issues so perhaps we’re the weird ones. :-)
i do sometimes think it a bit weird how you (not you personally) wipe your bum.
Scrunchers are definitely weird. Folding is so much more efficient.
Yes. Folding allows you to fold it again, inside out, and wipe twice. Or even three times. Something scrunching do not provide for.
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:I’d like to but you know, quarantine
I get all this shit from you and your stupid followers who think the sun shines from your backside. And what did I do to deserve all this? I simply passed on some factual information that contradicted what you and your dummies had said. Just goes to show what a shallow and self-centered creep you are.
WhAR?
i MEN wHAT?
I’m blinded by the muzzle-flashes, deafened by the roar of the guns…
Rule 303 said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
what did they use at home? the mind is really boggling at this point in time.
Share houses can become pretty dysfunctional. Not uncommon for people to label things in fridges and hide things in their bedroooms.
It’s dicey enough living with immediate family…
Rule 303 said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
what did they use at home? the mind is really boggling at this point in time.
Share houses can become pretty dysfunctional. Not uncommon for people to label things in fridges and hide things in their bedroooms.
I’ve only lived in one share house like that. it was weird. was used to everyone just bogging in.
dv said:
I seriously don’t think I have “followers” here. I have some people who tolerate me.
Yeah, I do.
Michael V said:
dv said:
I seriously don’t think I have “followers” here. I have some people who tolerate me.
Yeah, I do.
I appreciate that.
Michael V said:
dv said:
I seriously don’t think I have “followers” here. I have some people who tolerate me.
Yeah, I do.
DV was just saying to tolerate him he wasn’t asking you to marry him.
dv said:
dv said:
These are the results of expert opinion surveys in the USA, published 18 March, based on surveys conducted 16-17 March.https://works.bepress.com/mcandrew/2/
University of Massachusetts Amherst
COVID19-Expert ForecastSurvey5-20200316.pdf
Preliminary Report on Aggregated Expert Predictions on COVID-19
——
Some highlights:
They expect the number of cases in the USA to triple in the coming week.
On average they estimate only 12% of cases in the USA have been diagnosed: ie that the actual number of cases is about 8 times higher than the diagnosed and reported number.
Experts believe COVID-19 will be responsible for around 195,000 deaths (approximate 80% uncertainty interval: 19,000-1,200,000) in the US by the end of 2020.
Should point out:
“They expect the number of cases in the USA to triple in the coming week.”
It actually tripled in three days since the survey ended. (From 6411 to 19383).
Hey-zeuss.
transition said:
party_pants said:
Obviousman said:
This is all slightly reminiscent of when AIDS first hit the scene. People didn’t give a stuff.. until it affected them.Nearly 40 years and we still haven’t learnt.
It is called human nature. We are not naturally good at working out risk and probabilities. Sitting down and working it out rationally is a learned skill.
if people were good at it they likely wouldn’t breed, but you know there’s a sort of replicator bias, add that to the list of biases, you and I have got it, evident in idealizations of rationality
most of the universe isn’t ‘rational’, in fact rationality may be so scarce as to be safely speculated to not exist at all, never did
Interesting notion.
Michael V said:
transition said:
party_pants said:It is called human nature. We are not naturally good at working out risk and probabilities. Sitting down and working it out rationally is a learned skill.
if people were good at it they likely wouldn’t breed, but you know there’s a sort of replicator bias, add that to the list of biases, you and I have got it, evident in idealizations of rationality
most of the universe isn’t ‘rational’, in fact rationality may be so scarce as to be safely speculated to not exist at all, never did
Interesting notion.
Rationality, like history, may just be the interpretation of those who came out in front.
Rule 303 said:
Several logical fallacies for your enjoyment in this one.Photos show why hand sanitizer doesn’t work as well as soap and water to remove germs
The hearty soul?!
Woodie said:
There’s claims of it everywhere. Yet… oddly, not one pic of any of them climbing back on the bus with their trolley loads of stuff.Shepparton local Barbara Bikoff, 69, said two ladies she did not recognise approached her at Safeway in the plaza at about 1 pm on Wednesday asking where the detergent was kept.
“I asked them where they were from because I hadn’t seen them before, and I know most people around here,” she said.
The Dancing With The Stars host claims to have seen a gang of coronavirus preppers “raiding” supermarkets in his hometown of Bathurst, 200km west of Sydney.
The same group reportedly targeted two other central west NSW cities, Orange and Lithgow, before returning to Sydney.
…. and now Norseman.
Well there you go.
R. Soles.
Woodie said:
Divine Angel said:
ChrispenEvan said:i do sometimes think it a bit weird how you (not you personally) wipe your bum.
Scrunchers are definitely weird. Folding is so much more efficient.
Yes. Folding allows you to fold it again, inside out, and wipe twice. Or even three times. Something scrunching do not provide for.
Advanced scrunching involves beginning with one end of the toilet paper and then just kind of massaging the remaining length past your bum hole an inch or so at a time by a rhythmic rippling of the fingers. With practice, this finger rippling can be refined so it automatically causes coritcal-folding-like applications of the paper to the soiled area, maximizing the proportional surface area of paper that contacts and removes said soiling. Your folding technique sounds interesting, but advanced scrunching can also include vertical movements along with the horizontal feed, allowing meaningful use of virtually the entire surface of one side of the paper. That’s pretty much 50% of the total surface area available!! If you’re using more than 50% of the total area with a folding technique… you’re getting your hands dirty hahaha.!
I used to be a folder like you…. Trust me, a little practice in advanced scrunching techniques and a whole new world will open up to you.
esselte said:
Woodie said:
Divine Angel said:Scrunchers are definitely weird. Folding is so much more efficient.
Yes. Folding allows you to fold it again, inside out, and wipe twice. Or even three times. Something scrunching do not provide for.
Advanced scrunching involves beginning with one end of the toilet paper and then just kind of massaging the remaining length past your bum hole an inch or so at a time by a rhythmic rippling of the fingers. With practice, this finger rippling can be refined so it automatically causes coritcal-folding-like applications of the paper to the soiled area, maximizing the proportional surface area of paper that contacts and removes said soiling. Your folding technique sounds interesting, but advanced scrunching can also include vertical movements along with the horizontal feed, allowing meaningful use of virtually the entire surface of one side of the paper. That’s pretty much 50% of the total surface area available!! If you’re using more than 50% of the total area with a folding technique… you’re getting your hands dirty hahaha.!
I used to be a folder like you…. Trust me, a little practice in advanced scrunching techniques and a whole new world will open up to you.
you’re not meant to enjoy it!!!
esselte said:
Woodie said:
Divine Angel said:Scrunchers are definitely weird. Folding is so much more efficient.
Yes. Folding allows you to fold it again, inside out, and wipe twice. Or even three times. Something scrunching do not provide for.
Advanced scrunching involves beginning with one end of the toilet paper and then just kind of massaging the remaining length past your bum hole an inch or so at a time by a rhythmic rippling of the fingers. With practice, this finger rippling can be refined so it automatically causes coritcal-folding-like applications of the paper to the soiled area, maximizing the proportional surface area of paper that contacts and removes said soiling. Your folding technique sounds interesting, but advanced scrunching can also include vertical movements along with the horizontal feed, allowing meaningful use of virtually the entire surface of one side of the paper. That’s pretty much 50% of the total surface area available!! If you’re using more than 50% of the total area with a folding technique… you’re getting your hands dirty hahaha.!
I used to be a folder like you…. Trust me, a little practice in advanced scrunching techniques and a whole new world will open up to you.
dafaq
Podcast10 | Coronavirus feat. Dr Norman Swan
Juice Media Podcast Ep 10: In which I speak with Dr Norman Swan, presenter of ABC’s Health Report and co-host of Coronacast, about the latest Covid-19 situation in Australia, our Government’s response, school closures, potential treatments, and what we need to do right now to avoid Italy’s nightmare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHmKY8wZfOg
sarahs mum said:
Podcast10 | Coronavirus feat. Dr Norman SwanJuice Media Podcast Ep 10: In which I speak with Dr Norman Swan, presenter of ABC’s Health Report and co-host of Coronacast, about the latest Covid-19 situation in Australia, our Government’s response, school closures, potential treatments, and what we need to do right now to avoid Italy’s nightmare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHmKY8wZfOg
For the other end of the spectrum:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC7Efb_lWiw
At what stage of the pandemic do we go to Coronavirus Part 3?
dv said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
….. and surely, if The Guardian says there’s no evidence of it, then that’s the end of that.The Guardian has probably never heard of Norseman.
Honestly if someone actually does produce evidence of it, I will be the first to eat my hat, or crow, or whatever it is. The key point is apt: we have got several videos of individuals that the videographers think are hoarding. That’s what people do these days. Everyone is carrying at least one camera, and if they see anything remotely unusual or interesting, they video it and upload it or sell it to news outlets.
So if there are all these cases of locals being incensed by busloads of Chinese people driving to rural areas to empty the stores of goods: where are the videos? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’ll believe it when I see it and until then I’ll treat is a misinformation campaign.
Reasonable.
1h ago 11:09
Scottish finance secretary Kate Forbes called on the UK government to scrap tax and excise duties on alcohol that is being used to make hand sanitiser.
Distilleries across the country, such as Brewdog and Leith Gin, have been switching production away from their usual products to make hand cleaning gels.
Forbes said she was “heartened” to see so many companies playing their part to replenish stocks. She added that in these “exceptional” times “where it is clear that alcohol is being provided for the purpose of hygiene, sanitisation and medical use it should not be subject to excise or tax as a default”.
In her letter to Chancellor Rishi Sunak, Forbes wrote: “I hope you agree the fewest barriers possible should be in place to support the Covid-19 response.
“In this time of uncertainty and national crisis, I am heartened by the many generous offers of support from organisations and industries who believe they can help the NHS.
“There are, for example, offers from the producers of alcoholic drinks, to turn their focus and activities towards the provision of hand sanitiser, and this is my reason for writing to you.”
Forbes added: “Given the exceptional circumstances the country is facing and the need to protect our key workers at this time, we would like to see the greatest flexibility applied – where it is clear that alcohol is being provided for the purpose of hygiene, sanitisation and medical use it should not be subject to excise or tax as a default.”
—-
36m ago 12:05 Patrick ButlerPatrick Butler
Major UK supermarkets have been asked to set aside supplies for food banks after a tumultuous few days in which several emergency food aid charities closed and others struggled to meet rocketing demand from people hit by the fallout from coronavirus.
Many food banks said they were finding it impossible to replenish food stocks, even as thousands more people turned to them for help, and others said they had been overwhelmed as hundreds of elderly volunteer regulars were forced to go into self-isolation.
this is depressing.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/the-story-of-a-coronavirus-infection.html
sarahs mum said:
this is depressing.https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/the-story-of-a-coronavirus-infection.html
Thanks for the warning.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I try not to argue with idiots, they just don’t understand, although dv will probably help you out.
No really. You have a tell… how’s it feel to be wrong again?
What can you say to a fool. Please go away you are embarrassing to everyone.
Not embarrassing to me. Ergo not everyone.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:What can you say to a fool. Please go away you are embarrassing to everyone.
Heh. Avoiding the question.
Please go away, your lack of awareness and really stupid comment is getting everyone down.
Really? Everyone? Or just you.
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Heh. Avoiding the question.
Please go away, your lack of awareness and really stupid comment is getting everyone down.
Really? Everyone? Or just you.
Michael, the guns have fallen silent at last.
The moonlight gleams over the flotsam and jetsam of battle. Fires flicker on the horizon where wrecks have yet to succumb to their fate. Time enough on the morrow to tally the butcher’s bill for this indecisive engagement.
Let us leave the scene, and not seek to stir further confrontation.
Rule 303 said:
Well, I’m blaming the British. So there.
Divine Angel said:
When I met Mr Mutant, neither he nor his housemate ever bought toilet paper. Whenever I went over, I brought my own and the roll was always gone by the next time I went… but they never had any of their own. It’s a freakin miracle I pursued Mr Mutant.
giggle
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:Please go away, your lack of awareness and really stupid comment is getting everyone down.
Really? Everyone? Or just you.
Michael, the guns have fallen silent at last.
The moonlight gleams over the flotsam and jetsam of battle. Fires flicker on the horizon where wrecks have yet to succumb to their fate. Time enough on the morrow to tally the butcher’s bill for this indecisive engagement.
Let us leave the scene, and not seek to stir further confrontation.
Michael catches up slowly and in this case, unfortunately re-activates dormant shitfights.
Divine Angel said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Seems some forumites also have TP issues so perhaps we’re the weird ones. :-)
i do sometimes think it a bit weird how you (not you personally) wipe your bum.
Scrunchers are definitely weird. Folding is so much more efficient.
Yes.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:43m ago 08:21The tally of global cases has risen to 275,452 on Saturday, as 70 million people across New York, Illinois and California face being largely confined to their homes, and Britain closes its pubs, cafes, gyms and restaurants.
More than 1,000 infections have been recorded in Japan, Australia and Canada. In Sydney, officials have temporarily closed Bondi Beach after thousands flocked there on Friday, defying guidance on social distancing. A nationwide curfew has begun in Jordan, limiting the mobility of its 10 million citizens indefinitely. Colombia also announced that it will begin a country-wide quarantine from Tuesday night. New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern asked citizens to restrict their movements around the country, and cancel all non-essential domestic travel. Those who could work from home should now do so, she said. South Korea’s prime minister Chung Sye-kyun strongly recommended religious, sports and entertainment facilities suspend operations, and advised people to avoid socialising Mainland China reported no new locally transmitted cases, but infections involving travellers arriving from other countries continued to rise. Singapore reported two coronavirus-related deaths on Saturday, marking the city-state’s first fatalities from the infection. Fatalities rose to 19 in the Philippines, while Thailand recorded 89 new cases on Saturday, the largest daily increase in infections since the outbreak began. East Timor confirmed its first infection, a citizen who had returned from traveling abroad.So what do you reckon we should do?
Stay home and relax, communicate electronically. Shop when necessary.
Sounds sensible.
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:Not if you are travelling between Kalgoorlie and Esperance. You ought to cut your sarcasm dv and start using your brain as to why things might happen and therefore prove your reasoning faulty.
What?
IDGI
All there if you read it slowly MV, but not going through it all again. Later perhaps.
OK… I did. I still don’t get it. I’m likely really stupid. Perhaps you could explain.
Bubblecar said:
furious said:
Bubblecar said:Stay home and relax, communicate electronically. Shop when necessary.
Some people have jobs. Some jobs are quite important to society…
Of course but I was replying to Michael, who is retired.
:)
Rule 303 said:
Clicks “ignore” button.
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:I’d like to but you know, quarantine
I get all this shit from you and your stupid followers who think the sun shines from your backside. And what did I do to deserve all this? I simply passed on some factual information that contradicted what you and your dummies had said. Just goes to show what a shallow and self-centered creep you are.
WhAR?
i MEN wHAT?
Sorry. Capslock and typos.
What?
I mean What?
Should probably make it clear, just in case there was any uncertainty, that my last two pictures were posted as stark examples of the extremes to which people are going in their response to the crisis – Not my thoughts, not even a little bit.
Woodie said:
Divine Angel said:
ChrispenEvan said:i do sometimes think it a bit weird how you (not you personally) wipe your bum.
Scrunchers are definitely weird. Folding is so much more efficient.
Yes. Folding allows you to fold it again, inside out, and wipe twice. Or even three times. Something scrunching do not provide for.
Yep.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
I seriously don’t think I have “followers” here. I have some people who tolerate me.
Yeah, I do.
I appreciate that.
No worries.
:)
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
I seriously don’t think I have “followers” here. I have some people who tolerate me.
Yeah, I do.
DV was just saying to tolerate him he wasn’t asking you to marry him.
LOL
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
transition said:if people were good at it they likely wouldn’t breed, but you know there’s a sort of replicator bias, add that to the list of biases, you and I have got it, evident in idealizations of rationality
most of the universe isn’t ‘rational’, in fact rationality may be so scarce as to be safely speculated to not exist at all, never did
Interesting notion.
Rationality, like history, may just be the interpretation of those who came out in front.
Hmmmmmmmm.
I need to consider that…
esselte said:
Woodie said:
Divine Angel said:Scrunchers are definitely weird. Folding is so much more efficient.
Yes. Folding allows you to fold it again, inside out, and wipe twice. Or even three times. Something scrunching do not provide for.
Advanced scrunching involves beginning with one end of the toilet paper and then just kind of massaging the remaining length past your bum hole an inch or so at a time by a rhythmic rippling of the fingers. With practice, this finger rippling can be refined so it automatically causes coritcal-folding-like applications of the paper to the soiled area, maximizing the proportional surface area of paper that contacts and removes said soiling. Your folding technique sounds interesting, but advanced scrunching can also include vertical movements along with the horizontal feed, allowing meaningful use of virtually the entire surface of one side of the paper. That’s pretty much 50% of the total surface area available!! If you’re using more than 50% of the total area with a folding technique… you’re getting your hands dirty hahaha.!
I used to be a folder like you…. Trust me, a little practice in advanced scrunching techniques and a whole new world will open up to you.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
sarahs mum said:
1h ago 11:09Scottish finance secretary Kate Forbes called on the UK government to scrap tax and excise duties on alcohol that is being used to make hand sanitiser.
Distilleries across the country, such as Brewdog and Leith Gin, have been switching production away from their usual products to make hand cleaning gels.
Forbes said she was “heartened” to see so many companies playing their part to replenish stocks. She added that in these “exceptional” times “where it is clear that alcohol is being provided for the purpose of hygiene, sanitisation and medical use it should not be subject to excise or tax as a default”.
In her letter to Chancellor Rishi Sunak, Forbes wrote: “I hope you agree the fewest barriers possible should be in place to support the Covid-19 response.
“In this time of uncertainty and national crisis, I am heartened by the many generous offers of support from organisations and industries who believe they can help the NHS.
“There are, for example, offers from the producers of alcoholic drinks, to turn their focus and activities towards the provision of hand sanitiser, and this is my reason for writing to you.”
Forbes added: “Given the exceptional circumstances the country is facing and the need to protect our key workers at this time, we would like to see the greatest flexibility applied – where it is clear that alcohol is being provided for the purpose of hygiene, sanitisation and medical use it should not be subject to excise or tax as a default.”
—-
36m ago 12:05 Patrick ButlerPatrick Butler
Major UK supermarkets have been asked to set aside supplies for food banks after a tumultuous few days in which several emergency food aid charities closed and others struggled to meet rocketing demand from people hit by the fallout from coronavirus.
Many food banks said they were finding it impossible to replenish food stocks, even as thousands more people turned to them for help, and others said they had been overwhelmed as hundreds of elderly volunteer regulars were forced to go into self-isolation.
Things are getting different really quickly, hey?
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
this is depressing.https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/the-story-of-a-coronavirus-infection.html
Thanks for the warning.
So I won’t try to read. Precis would be OK.
Rule 303 said:
sigh
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
this is depressing.https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/the-story-of-a-coronavirus-infection.html
Thanks for the warning.
So I won’t try to read. Precis would be OK.
The behaviour of two people and the number of virus particles they put out there before one died and one was saved.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/21/rich-famous-coronavirus-tests-covid-19-tom-hanks
ROFL.
The Gran on the outrage bus and fucking it up quite a bit. Complaining about celebs in the USA and UK getting tested before common plebs and then putting up a photo of Tom Hanks. He was tested, and found positive, in Oz.
Jaysus, they’ll be very fucking glad they didn’t open comments on that piece :)
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:Please go away, your lack of awareness and really stupid comment is getting everyone down.
Really? Everyone? Or just you.
Michael, the guns have fallen silent at last.
The moonlight gleams over the flotsam and jetsam of battle. Fires flicker on the horizon where wrecks have yet to succumb to their fate. Time enough on the morrow to tally the butcher’s bill for this indecisive engagement.
Let us leave the scene, and not seek to stir further confrontation.
:)
Yeah, well we had visitors (who I might add, we successfully socially distanced ourselves from -,whilst drinking and eating), so I missed out on the conversation here.
:)
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Really? Everyone? Or just you.
Michael, the guns have fallen silent at last.
The moonlight gleams over the flotsam and jetsam of battle. Fires flicker on the horizon where wrecks have yet to succumb to their fate. Time enough on the morrow to tally the butcher’s bill for this indecisive engagement.
Let us leave the scene, and not seek to stir further confrontation.
Michael catches up slowly and in this case, unfortunately re-activates dormant shitfights.
Sorry.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:Michael, the guns have fallen silent at last.
The moonlight gleams over the flotsam and jetsam of battle. Fires flicker on the horizon where wrecks have yet to succumb to their fate. Time enough on the morrow to tally the butcher’s bill for this indecisive engagement.
Let us leave the scene, and not seek to stir further confrontation.
Michael catches up slowly and in this case, unfortunately re-activates dormant shitfights.
Sorry.
Never fucking apologise!
:)
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
sigh
You don’t need to scratch the surface very hard to strike an abundant vein of racism in Australia.
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:What?
IDGI
All there if you read it slowly MV, but not going through it all again. Later perhaps.
OK… I did. I still don’t get it. I’m likely really stupid. Perhaps you could explain.
MV I don’t like it when people infer that I am a liar and call my wife of being a liar, we are both very honest people and have no need to lie. We both have achieved in life as much as anyone here including yourself. We and I do not need to lie or impress which is something Boris and Co do not understand. To me you are reflections on modern society with all its faults and foibles and false sense of superiority.
Do you really think I do not feel insulted by the barbs of those whose life is encapsulated by this forum, just like petty bureaucrats they exert their influence and at times it hurts, but mostly it falls on bare ground and permits me to place those responsible even lower in the schemes of things, but you all are somewhat representative of thinking Australia and show the crap and ideological thinking involved, along with the subservient attitude of many to the ego of the few. Well too bad if I sometimes upset your sensibilities, but many here although educational for my interests, are a pain in the arse.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Michael catches up slowly and in this case, unfortunately re-activates dormant shitfights.
Sorry.
Never fucking apologise!
:)
Really strong people apologise, so why shouldn’t I?
Rule 303 said:
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
sigh
You don’t need to scratch the surface very hard to strike an abundant vein of racism in Australia.
Yes, unfortunately.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Yeah, I do.
I appreciate that.
No worries.
:)
Yet you follow the thoughts of a person who has been out of the country for a while and is now in isolation. In other words he has NO IDEA what has transpired on the ground and is less than an armchair expert, yet you follow him even now. That is pathetic.
sarahs mum said:
this is depressing.https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/the-story-of-a-coronavirus-infection.html
I got down to the bit about fecal material, going one person to the other, and questioned if viable virus had been taken from feces yet, had survived the digestive system, last studies cited I saw indicated the new corona doesn’t, or hadn’t been reported to survive yet, or they found virus in poo but couldn’t grow it
transition said:
sarahs mum said:
this is depressing.https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/the-story-of-a-coronavirus-infection.html
I got down to the bit about fecal material, going one person to the other, and questioned if viable virus had been taken from feces yet, had survived the digestive system, last studies cited I saw indicated the new corona doesn’t, or hadn’t been reported to survive yet, or they found virus in poo but couldn’t grow it
True.
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:All there if you read it slowly MV, but not going through it all again. Later perhaps.
OK… I did. I still don’t get it. I’m likely really stupid. Perhaps you could explain.
MV I don’t like it when people infer that I am a liar and call my wife of being a liar, we are both very honest people and have no need to lie. We both have achieved in life as much as anyone here including yourself. We and I do not need to lie or impress which is something Boris and Co do not understand. To me you are reflections on modern society with all its faults and foibles and false sense of superiority.
Do you really think I do not feel insulted by the barbs of those whose life is encapsulated by this forum, just like petty bureaucrats they exert their influence and at times it hurts, but mostly it falls on bare ground and permits me to place those responsible even lower in the schemes of things, but you all are somewhat representative of thinking Australia and show the crap and ideological thinking involved, along with the subservient attitude of many to the ego of the few. Well too bad if I sometimes upset your sensibilities, but many here although educational for my interests, are a pain in the arse.
That was boring. You bore me…
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:All there if you read it slowly MV, but not going through it all again. Later perhaps.
OK… I did. I still don’t get it. I’m likely really stupid. Perhaps you could explain.
MV I don’t like it when people infer that I am a liar and call my wife of being a liar, we are both very honest people and have no need to lie. We both have achieved in life as much as anyone here including yourself. We and I do not need to lie or impress which is something Boris and Co do not understand. To me you are reflections on modern society with all its faults and foibles and false sense of superiority.
Do you really think I do not feel insulted by the barbs of those whose life is encapsulated by this forum, just like petty bureaucrats they exert their influence and at times it hurts, but mostly it falls on bare ground and permits me to place those responsible even lower in the schemes of things, but you all are somewhat representative of thinking Australia and show the crap and ideological thinking involved, along with the subservient attitude of many to the ego of the few. Well too bad if I sometimes upset your sensibilities, but many here although educational for my interests, are a pain in the arse.
I’m so sorry you feel that way.
I’m sure it’s not meant.
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
dv said:I appreciate that.
No worries.
:)
Yet you follow the thoughts of a person who has been out of the country for a while and is now in isolation. In other words he has NO IDEA what has transpired on the ground and is less than an armchair expert, yet you follow him even now. That is pathetic.
Why the pathetic barb?
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:No worries.
:)
Yet you follow the thoughts of a person who has been out of the country for a while and is now in isolation. In other words he has NO IDEA what has transpired on the ground and is less than an armchair expert, yet you follow him even now. That is pathetic.
Why the pathetic barb?
There are three types of people here: PF, DV and DV acolytes. If youre not PF, then youre pathetic,apparently…
dv said:
The script in Australia is still “have you been overseas or contacted a known case”, say No and you won’t get tested. The situation has moved on but the precautions have not…
furious said:
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:Yet you follow the thoughts of a person who has been out of the country for a while and is now in isolation. In other words he has NO IDEA what has transpired on the ground and is less than an armchair expert, yet you follow him even now. That is pathetic.
Why the pathetic barb?
There are three types of people here: PF, DV and DV acolytes. If your’e not PF, then you’re pathetic,apparently…
Seriously though, PF was very upset about perceived barbs thrown at him. Yet he throws one at me. (And as far as I can see, for no good reason.)
dv said:
pity
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:No worries.
:)
Yet you follow the thoughts of a person who has been out of the country for a while and is now in isolation. In other words he has NO IDEA what has transpired on the ground and is less than an armchair expert, yet you follow him even now. That is pathetic.
Why the pathetic barb?
Because it is. I have a innate dislike for creeps that exert influence over others, despite it being ideologist crap, yet delivered in an overly positive manner. All superficial and lacking reality. Yet they bring in the suckers.
Michael V said:
furious said:
Michael V said:Why the pathetic barb?
There are three types of people here: PF, DV and DV acolytes. If your’e not PF, then you’re pathetic,apparently…
Seriously though, PF was very upset about perceived barbs thrown at him. Yet he throws one at me. (And as far as I can see, for no good reason.)
Not the case, but think what you like.
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:Yet you follow the thoughts of a person who has been out of the country for a while and is now in isolation. In other words he has NO IDEA what has transpired on the ground and is less than an armchair expert, yet you follow him even now. That is pathetic.
Why the pathetic barb?
Because it is. I have a innate dislike for creeps that exert influence over others, despite it being ideologist crap, yet delivered in an overly positive manner. All superficial and lacking reality. Yet they bring in the suckers.
Dv is basically a nice man. You’re being silly.
Bury the hatchet and try to see the good in people.
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:Why the pathetic barb?
Because it is. I have a innate dislike for creeps that exert influence over others, despite it being ideologist crap, yet delivered in an overly positive manner. All superficial and lacking reality. Yet they bring in the suckers.
Dv is basically a nice man. You’re being silly.
Bury the hatchet and try to see the good in people.
I see the delusion in the man.
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/21/rich-famous-coronavirus-tests-covid-19-tom-hanksROFL.
The Gran on the outrage bus and fucking it up quite a bit. Complaining about celebs in the USA and UK getting tested before common plebs and then putting up a photo of Tom Hanks. He was tested, and found positive, in Oz.
Jaysus, they’ll be very fucking glad they didn’t open comments on that piece :)
the article’s not that bad, sort of neglects a few things, like the hit to the life of the jetsetter class can’t be understated
but there’s more than a hint of something important in the article, being the massive distortions in life, politics, and the economy, the distortions will persist for a long time, some of the wealthier class are better positioned to benefit from the changes, normalize some of the distortion, have the less well off normalize the distortions
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:Because it is. I have a innate dislike for creeps that exert influence over others, despite it being ideologist crap, yet delivered in an overly positive manner. All superficial and lacking reality. Yet they bring in the suckers.
Dv is basically a nice man. You’re being silly.
Bury the hatchet and try to see the good in people.
I see the delusion in the man.
I get a modest amount of satisfaction, well, equilibrium really, from being largely ineffectual and insignificant, that way my opinions are substantially inconsequential
26m ago 14:25
Eustice said supermarkets have seen a surge in demand that is similar to the Christmas period.
“And food manufacturers have responded by increasing their production by up to about 50%,” he explained, “so there’s no risk of food running out. The challenge we have is getting food to the shelves and keeping it there.”
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:Dv is basically a nice man. You’re being silly.
Bury the hatchet and try to see the good in people.
I see the delusion in the man.
I get a modest amount of satisfaction, well, equilibrium really, from being largely ineffectual and insignificant, that way my opinions are substantially inconsequential
I find your general philosophical perspective hard to pin down, but it seems to be a customised and slightly creaky kind of naturalism. You’re suspicious of human constructs but your view of “nature” nonetheless seems somewhat artificial.
sarahs mum said:
26m ago 14:25Eustice said supermarkets have seen a surge in demand that is similar to the Christmas period.
“And food manufacturers have responded by increasing their production by up to about 50%,” he explained, “so there’s no risk of food running out. The challenge we have is getting food to the shelves and keeping it there.”
With vast numbers of overweight Westerners hoarding toilet paper, I don’t think food supply is likely to prove an urgent problem.
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:Yet you follow the thoughts of a person who has been out of the country for a while and is now in isolation. In other words he has NO IDEA what has transpired on the ground and is less than an armchair expert, yet you follow him even now. That is pathetic.
Why the pathetic barb?
Because it is. I have a innate dislike for creeps that exert influence over others, despite it being ideologist crap, yet delivered in an overly positive manner. All superficial and lacking reality. Yet they bring in the suckers.
But, why am I pathetic?
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
furious said:There are three types of people here: PF, DV and DV acolytes. If your’e not PF, then you’re pathetic,apparently…
Seriously though, PF was very upset about perceived barbs thrown at him. Yet he throws one at me. (And as far as I can see, for no good reason.)
Not the case, but think what you like.
Well, you called me pathetic. If that’s not a barb, I really don’t know what is.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:26m ago 14:25Eustice said supermarkets have seen a surge in demand that is similar to the Christmas period.
“And food manufacturers have responded by increasing their production by up to about 50%,” he explained, “so there’s no risk of food running out. The challenge we have is getting food to the shelves and keeping it there.”
With vast numbers of overweight Westerners hoarding toilet paper, I don’t think food supply is likely to prove an urgent problem.
Dianna in the apartment in the Bronx is running out of food. One of her son’s whole family has it.
I don’t think i can help her.
:(
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:Why the pathetic barb?
Because it is. I have a innate dislike for creeps that exert influence over others, despite it being ideologist crap, yet delivered in an overly positive manner. All superficial and lacking reality. Yet they bring in the suckers.
But, why am I pathetic?
honestly we don’t think this is helping in this thread, please consider chat
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:Why the pathetic barb?
Because it is. I have a innate dislike for creeps that exert influence over others, despite it being ideologist crap, yet delivered in an overly positive manner. All superficial and lacking reality. Yet they bring in the suckers.
Dv is basically a nice man. You’re being silly.
Bury the hatchet and try to see the good in people.
Yes.
Please.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:26m ago 14:25Eustice said supermarkets have seen a surge in demand that is similar to the Christmas period.
“And food manufacturers have responded by increasing their production by up to about 50%,” he explained, “so there’s no risk of food running out. The challenge we have is getting food to the shelves and keeping it there.”
With vast numbers of overweight Westerners hoarding toilet paper, I don’t think food supply is likely to prove an urgent problem.
Dianna in the apartment in the Bronx is running out of food. One of her son’s whole family has it.
I don’t think i can help her.
:(
Ah. I wasn’t really including Americans in “Westerners”.
Their society is quite atypical in various ways.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:Because it is. I have a innate dislike for creeps that exert influence over others, despite it being ideologist crap, yet delivered in an overly positive manner. All superficial and lacking reality. Yet they bring in the suckers.
But, why am I pathetic?
honestly we don’t think this is helping in this thread, please consider chat
Might be time for Coronavirus Part 3.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:26m ago 14:25Eustice said supermarkets have seen a surge in demand that is similar to the Christmas period.
“And food manufacturers have responded by increasing their production by up to about 50%,” he explained, “so there’s no risk of food running out. The challenge we have is getting food to the shelves and keeping it there.”
With vast numbers of overweight Westerners hoarding toilet paper, I don’t think food supply is likely to prove an urgent problem.
Dianna in the apartment in the Bronx is running out of food. One of her son’s whole family has it.
I don’t think i can help her.
:(
Unfortunately one can’t help every person.
I learnt that lesson in East Africa. Gosh that was an emotional trip. I cried for months.
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:But, why am I pathetic?
honestly we don’t think this is helping in this thread, please consider chat
Might be time for Coronavirus Part 3.
True, the way they fill up probably weekly cleans.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:Because it is. I have a innate dislike for creeps that exert influence over others, despite it being ideologist crap, yet delivered in an overly positive manner. All superficial and lacking reality. Yet they bring in the suckers.
But, why am I pathetic?
honestly we don’t think this is helping in this thread, please consider chat
OK, fair enough.
sarahs mum said:
26m ago 14:25Eustice said supermarkets have seen a surge in demand that is similar to the Christmas period.
“And food manufacturers have responded by increasing their production by up to about 50%,” he explained, “so there’s no risk of food running out. The challenge we have is getting food to the shelves and keeping it there.”
i’d expect good part of added demand is shoppers wanting to be in control of when they need (diluting the immediacy) go to shops in the future, of course part of that is how often, but they want to be in control at points of heightened exposure risk, even perceived risk, they can’t know the real risk, so are responding to a real unknown risk
so the state of preparedness to do the shopping is well before they’re running out of anything, they don’t want to be forced to go to the shops when they don’t feel prepared
there’s an analogy perhaps in when you experience an urgent need to go to the toilet, you know you feel like you might shit yourself, and somebody’s already in the toilet, obstructing your direct path to the toilet, in fact you have to wait an uncertain period, meanwhile you’re walking circles clenching your butt cheeks and sphincter
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:With vast numbers of overweight Westerners hoarding toilet paper, I don’t think food supply is likely to prove an urgent problem.
Dianna in the apartment in the Bronx is running out of food. One of her son’s whole family has it.
I don’t think i can help her.
:(
Unfortunately one can’t help every person.
I learnt that lesson in East Africa. Gosh that was an emotional trip. I cried for months.
:(
Bubblecar said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:I see the delusion in the man.
I get a modest amount of satisfaction, well, equilibrium really, from being largely ineffectual and insignificant, that way my opinions are substantially inconsequential
I find your general philosophical perspective hard to pin down, but it seems to be a customised and slightly creaky kind of naturalism. You’re suspicious of human constructs but your view of “nature” nonetheless seems somewhat artificial.
chuckle
sounds like the beginning a philosophy discussion
20s ago 15:13
Tesco has today announced that it will be giving a 10% bonus to its workers in stores, distribution centres and customer engagement centres across the country.
The bonus will be backdated to Monday 9 March for all permanent colleagues, who will receive the increased hourly pay rate till 1 May, when the company will review the situation.
Jason Tarry, UK and ROI CEO said:
It’s been an extraordinary couple of weeks and despite the enormous challenges, it’s been incredible to see how colleagues have stepped up and responded, doing an outstanding job during this uncertain and difficult time. This pay bonus is just one way we are saying thank you to our colleagues and recognising that they are on the front line, helping to feed the nation.
sarahs mum said:
20s ago 15:13Tesco has today announced that it will be giving a 10% bonus to its workers in stores, distribution centres and customer engagement centres across the country.
The bonus will be backdated to Monday 9 March for all permanent colleagues, who will receive the increased hourly pay rate till 1 May, when the company will review the situation.
Jason Tarry, UK and ROI CEO said:
It’s been an extraordinary couple of weeks and despite the enormous challenges, it’s been incredible to see how colleagues have stepped up and responded, doing an outstanding job during this uncertain and difficult time. This pay bonus is just one way we are saying thank you to our colleagues and recognising that they are on the front line, helping to feed the nation.
That’s unexpected.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:20s ago 15:13Tesco has today announced that it will be giving a 10% bonus to its workers in stores, distribution centres and customer engagement centres across the country.
The bonus will be backdated to Monday 9 March for all permanent colleagues, who will receive the increased hourly pay rate till 1 May, when the company will review the situation.
Jason Tarry, UK and ROI CEO said:
It’s been an extraordinary couple of weeks and despite the enormous challenges, it’s been incredible to see how colleagues have stepped up and responded, doing an outstanding job during this uncertain and difficult time. This pay bonus is just one way we are saying thank you to our colleagues and recognising that they are on the front line, helping to feed the nation.
That’s unexpected.
I reckon it is smart. The will probably get an efficiency boost from it.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:20s ago 15:13Tesco has today announced that it will be giving a 10% bonus to its workers in stores, distribution centres and customer engagement centres across the country.
The bonus will be backdated to Monday 9 March for all permanent colleagues, who will receive the increased hourly pay rate till 1 May, when the company will review the situation.
Jason Tarry, UK and ROI CEO said:
It’s been an extraordinary couple of weeks and despite the enormous challenges, it’s been incredible to see how colleagues have stepped up and responded, doing an outstanding job during this uncertain and difficult time. This pay bonus is just one way we are saying thank you to our colleagues and recognising that they are on the front line, helping to feed the nation.
That’s unexpected.
I reckon it is smart. The will probably get an efficiency boost from it.
Well they’ll be “reviewing the situation” in May, so that gives a quiet warning.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:20s ago 15:13Tesco has today announced that it will be giving a 10% bonus to its workers in stores, distribution centres and customer engagement centres across the country.
The bonus will be backdated to Monday 9 March for all permanent colleagues, who will receive the increased hourly pay rate till 1 May, when the company will review the situation.
Jason Tarry, UK and ROI CEO said:
It’s been an extraordinary couple of weeks and despite the enormous challenges, it’s been incredible to see how colleagues have stepped up and responded, doing an outstanding job during this uncertain and difficult time. This pay bonus is just one way we are saying thank you to our colleagues and recognising that they are on the front line, helping to feed the nation.
That’s unexpected.
I reckon it is smart. The will probably get an efficiency boost from it.
Come on you lot. Where’s the usual suspicion and doubt and conspiracy theories about greedy big business and their ripoff merchant, stuff the worker profits, hey what!
It’s to bribe their staff to turn up. No turn up cause you’re shit scared to do so, an it’s no 10% bonus for you, meladdy.
Bubblecar said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:I see the delusion in the man.
I get a modest amount of satisfaction, well, equilibrium really, from being largely ineffectual and insignificant, that way my opinions are substantially inconsequential
I find your general philosophical perspective hard to pin down, but it seems to be a customised and slightly creaky kind of naturalism. You’re suspicious of human constructs but your view of “nature” nonetheless seems somewhat artificial.
Bubblecar, despite your self proclaimed intellectualism, I find you exceptionally biased, superficial and attention seeking. You are somebody else I don’t hold in very high regard, so think what you like I really don’t care.
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:Seriously though, PF was very upset about perceived barbs thrown at him. Yet he throws one at me. (And as far as I can see, for no good reason.)
Not the case, but think what you like.
Well, you called me pathetic. If that’s not a barb, I really don’t know what is.
Why don’t you read what I write rather than putting your own interpretation on it.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:Because it is. I have a innate dislike for creeps that exert influence over others, despite it being ideologist crap, yet delivered in an overly positive manner. All superficial and lacking reality. Yet they bring in the suckers.
But, why am I pathetic?
honestly we don’t think this is helping in this thread, please consider chat
What a laugh, who is going to read all the stuff in this thread, let alone Part 1. Think you have tickets on yourself.
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
transition said:I get a modest amount of satisfaction, well, equilibrium really, from being largely ineffectual and insignificant, that way my opinions are substantially inconsequential
I find your general philosophical perspective hard to pin down, but it seems to be a customised and slightly creaky kind of naturalism. You’re suspicious of human constructs but your view of “nature” nonetheless seems somewhat artificial.
Bubblecar, despite your self proclaimed intellectualism, I find you exceptionally biased, superficial and attention seeking. You are somebody else I don’t hold in very high regard, so think what you like I really don’t care.
You could try to find nice things to say about people.
My opinion of you: you obviously have detailed and helpful knowledge of various topics, and have a good sense of humour when you’re sufficiently relaxed.
But you do tend to see other people as enemies for no reason.
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:Why the pathetic barb?
Because it is. I have a innate dislike for creeps that exert influence over others, despite it being ideologist crap, yet delivered in an overly positive manner. All superficial and lacking reality. Yet they bring in the suckers.
But, why am I pathetic?
What is the matter with you can’t you read, have you no understanding, or are you just being another pill of this forum using every avenue to strike back?
sarahs mum said:
4m ago 15:34
NHS to get thousands more beds, ventilators and extra healthcare staffThe NHS has struck a deal with private hospitals that will provide thousands more beds, ventilators and extra healthcare staff from next week to aid the fight against coronavirus.
The extra resources, which includes nearly 20,000 staff, will also help the NHS deliver other urgent operations and cancer treatments.
The deal with independent hospitals is thought to be the first of its kind and will include the provision of 8,000 hospital beds across England, nearly 1,200 more ventilators, more than 10,000 nurses, over 700 doctors and over 8,000 other clinical staff.
===Tha’s tomorrow organised.
meanwhile have we brought in enough measures to stop this 3 day doubling here yet
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:I find your general philosophical perspective hard to pin down, but it seems to be a customised and slightly creaky kind of naturalism. You’re suspicious of human constructs but your view of “nature” nonetheless seems somewhat artificial.
Bubblecar, despite your self proclaimed intellectualism, I find you exceptionally biased, superficial and attention seeking. You are somebody else I don’t hold in very high regard, so think what you like I really don’t care.
You could try to find nice things to say about people.
My opinion of you: you obviously have detailed and helpful knowledge of various topics, and have a good sense of humour when you’re sufficiently relaxed.
But you do tend to see other people as enemies for no reason.
You shit on most things that don’t fit in with your personal ideology, so the likelihood of you shitting on me is highly likely, so why should I think nice thoughts about you? You are one of the shit on everything pigeons.
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:4m ago 15:34
NHS to get thousands more beds, ventilators and extra healthcare staffThe NHS has struck a deal with private hospitals that will provide thousands more beds, ventilators and extra healthcare staff from next week to aid the fight against coronavirus.
The extra resources, which includes nearly 20,000 staff, will also help the NHS deliver other urgent operations and cancer treatments.
The deal with independent hospitals is thought to be the first of its kind and will include the provision of 8,000 hospital beds across England, nearly 1,200 more ventilators, more than 10,000 nurses, over 700 doctors and over 8,000 other clinical staff.
===Tha’s tomorrow organised.
meanwhile have we brought in enough measures to stop this 3 day doubling here yet
NSW needs to do something.
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:Bubblecar, despite your self proclaimed intellectualism, I find you exceptionally biased, superficial and attention seeking. You are somebody else I don’t hold in very high regard, so think what you like I really don’t care.
You could try to find nice things to say about people.
My opinion of you: you obviously have detailed and helpful knowledge of various topics, and have a good sense of humour when you’re sufficiently relaxed.
But you do tend to see other people as enemies for no reason.
You shit on most things that don’t fit in with your personal ideology, so the likelihood of you shitting on me is highly likely, so why should I think nice thoughts about you? You are one of the shit on everything pigeons.
Ah, now we’re getting back to your soft spot for various right wing causes.
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:4m ago 15:34
NHS to get thousands more beds, ventilators and extra healthcare staffThe NHS has struck a deal with private hospitals that will provide thousands more beds, ventilators and extra healthcare staff from next week to aid the fight against coronavirus.
The extra resources, which includes nearly 20,000 staff, will also help the NHS deliver other urgent operations and cancer treatments.
The deal with independent hospitals is thought to be the first of its kind and will include the provision of 8,000 hospital beds across England, nearly 1,200 more ventilators, more than 10,000 nurses, over 700 doctors and over 8,000 other clinical staff.
===Tha’s tomorrow organised.
meanwhile have we brought in enough measures to stop this 3 day doubling here yet
We’ll just have to wait for three days and find out, won’t we.
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:You could try to find nice things to say about people.
My opinion of you: you obviously have detailed and helpful knowledge of various topics, and have a good sense of humour when you’re sufficiently relaxed.
But you do tend to see other people as enemies for no reason.
You shit on most things that don’t fit in with your personal ideology, so the likelihood of you shitting on me is highly likely, so why should I think nice thoughts about you? You are one of the shit on everything pigeons.
Ah, now we’re getting back to your soft spot for various right wing causes.
No, you are just shit on anything and anyone who doesn’t agree with your stupid ideology. For someone who is composing such a great musical work and is such a remarkable artist, you produce sod all. Just one question, are you a fake and living in a fantasy world?
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:You shit on most things that don’t fit in with your personal ideology, so the likelihood of you shitting on me is highly likely, so why should I think nice thoughts about you? You are one of the shit on everything pigeons.
Ah, now we’re getting back to your soft spot for various right wing causes.
No, you are just shit on anything and anyone who doesn’t agree with your stupid ideology. For someone who is composing such a great musical work and is such a remarkable artist, you produce sod all. Just one question, are you a fake and living in a fantasy world?
Time will tell :)
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:4m ago 15:34
NHS to get thousands more beds, ventilators and extra healthcare staffThe NHS has struck a deal with private hospitals that will provide thousands more beds, ventilators and extra healthcare staff from next week to aid the fight against coronavirus.
The extra resources, which includes nearly 20,000 staff, will also help the NHS deliver other urgent operations and cancer treatments.
The deal with independent hospitals is thought to be the first of its kind and will include the provision of 8,000 hospital beds across England, nearly 1,200 more ventilators, more than 10,000 nurses, over 700 doctors and over 8,000 other clinical staff.
===Tha’s tomorrow organised.
meanwhile have we brought in enough measures to stop this 3 day doubling here yet
We’ll just have to wait for three days and find out, won’t we.
Well the delay seems to be 2 weeks so if we wait another 2 weeks until school holidays and discover the measures weren’t enough, then moving at that point would show up in another 2 weeks…
Doubling every 3 days for 28 days should get us close to 1000 times current numbers which would be… oh, we don’t know… 1000 sickies in Australia ¿
cool
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:Ah, now we’re getting back to your soft spot for various right wing causes.
No, you are just shit on anything and anyone who doesn’t agree with your stupid ideology. For someone who is composing such a great musical work and is such a remarkable artist, you produce sod all. Just one question, are you a fake and living in a fantasy world?
Time will tell :)
Time has told.
UK medic says there are new symptoms for detecting COVID-19
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One of the country’s leading Ear, Nose and Throat consultants has told Sky News there are new signs for detecting COVID-19 in patients.
The British Association of Otorhinolaryngology (ENT UK) say asymptomatic patients – ones who do not have a fever or a cough – could show a loss of smell or taste as symptoms after contracting coronavirus.
It said in a statement: “Evidence from other countries that the entry point for the coronavirus is often in the eyes, nose and throat areas.
“We have also identified a new symptom (loss of sense of smell and taste) that may mean that people without other symptoms but with just the loss of this sense may have to self-isolate – again to reduce the spread of the virus.”
There are new signs for detecting COVID-19 in patientsIt comes after the organisation revealed that two of its consultants are on ventilators and are being treated for COVID-19.
They say the ENT specialists “most likely” contracted the coronavirus from people who did not show any symptoms in the course of their daily clinical work
The shocking centre of the COVID-19 crisis
Professor Nirmal Kumar consultant otolaryngologist and head and neck surgeon said the nose was main entry point for the virus when we breathe in droplets infected with coronavirus.
He said: “In young patients, they do not have any significant symptoms such as the cough and fever, but they may have just the loss of sense of smell and taste, which suggests that these viruses are lodging in the nose.”
In pictures: COVID-19 outbreak around the world
Current Public Health England guidelines says that a high temperature or new continuous cough are the only symptoms to trigger self-isolation and stop the spread of COVID-19.
Dr Nathalie MacDermott, clinical lecturer at King’s College London said infections that normally occur through the “nose or the back of the throat” often lead to loss in sense of smell and taste, but cautioned that research around the new symptoms for COVID-19 isn’t yet widespread in the medical community.
In the wake of the new symptoms, ENT UK have also requested for full personal protective equipment (PPE) be distributed to frontline staff that examine patients up close.
Professor Kumar added: “At the present time PPE is available only in limited quantities and will be reserved for use only when patients presenting as emergencies show up.”
Meanwhile an A&E consultant told that UK’s coronavirus outbreak could be worse than Italy’s and hospitals may be “completely swamped”.
The Italian system is “in advance of us in terms of resources and the intensive care beds”, he said, and it could be days until some hospitals reach capacity and patients begin spilling out into corridors.
Coffins awaiting burial are lining up in churches and the corpses of those who died at home are being kept in sealed-off rooms for days as funeral services struggle to cope in Bergamo, the Italian province hardest hit by the coronavirus pandemic.
As of Wednesday, Covid-19 had killed 2,978 across Italy, all buried or cremated without ceremony. Those who die in hospital do so alone, with their belongings left in bags beside coffins before being collected by funeral workers.
In Bergamo, a province of 1.2 million people in the Lombardy region, where 1,959 of the total deaths in the country have taken place, 4,305 people had contracted the virus by Wednesday.
The death toll across the province is unclear, but the situation has become so intense that on Wednesday night the army was brought in to move 65 coffins from the cemetery in Bergamo town and take them to Modena and Bologna in Emilia-Romagna.
The army intervenes to move bodies from the main cemetery in Bergamo town.CFB, the area’s largest funeral director, has carried out almost 600 burials or cremations since 1 March.
“In a normal month we would do about 120,” said Antonio Ricciardi, the president of CFB. “A generation has died in just over two weeks. We’ve never seen anything like this and it just makes you cry.”
There are about 80 funeral companies across Bergamo, each receiving dozens of calls an hour. A shortage of coffins as providers struggle to keep up with demand and funeral workers becoming infected with the virus are also hampering preparations.
Hospitals have adopted more stringent rules regarding the handling of the dead, who need to be placed in a coffin straight away without being clothed due to the risk of infection posed by their bodies. “Families can’t see their loved ones or give them a proper funeral, this is a big problem on a psychological level,” said Ricciardi. “But also because many of our staff are ill, we don’t have as many people to transport and prepare the bodies.”
© Photograph: Flavio Lo Scalzo/Reuters Funeral workers transport the coffin of a coronavirus victim into a cemetery in Bergamo.
For those who die at home, the bureaucratic process is lengthier as deaths need to be certified by two doctors. The second is a specialist who would ordinarily have to certify the death no later than 30 hours after a person has passed away.
“So you have to wait for both doctors to come and at this time, many of them are also ill,” added Ricciardi.
Stella, a teacher in Bergamo, shared the story of one of the deceased with the Guardian. “Yesterday, an 88-year-old man died,” she said. “He’d had a fever for a few days. There was no way to call an ambulance because the line was always busy. He died alone in his room. The ambulance arrived an hour later. Obviously, nothing could be done. And since no coffins were available in Bergamo, they left him on the bed and sealed his room to keep his relatives from entering until a coffin could be found.”
Adding to the torment is the fact that relatives cannot visit their loved ones in hospital, or give them proper funerals.
“Usually you would be able to dress them and they would stay one night in the family home. None of this is happening,” said Alessandro, whose 74-year-old uncle died in Codogno, the Lombardy town where the outbreak began. “You can’t even see them to say goodbye, this is the most devastating part.”
The harrowing impact of the virus on Bergamo can be gleaned from the obituary section of the local newspaper L’Eco di Bergamo. On Friday, reader Giovanni Locatelli shared online footage comparing the newspaper’s obituary section on 9 February, when listings took up just one page, to a copy dated 13 March, when 10 pages were needed to commemorate the dead. On Sunday, Il Messaggero posted a video of coffins lined up in a church.
“We have asked for support from funeral companies nationally as deaths have risen exponentially,” said Pietro Bonaldi, the director of Lia, a business association in Bergamo. “We have reached capacity. And unfortunately, in recent days a lot of funeral workers have become sick with the virus and so can’t work.”
Elsewhere in Italy, there have been cases of funeral companies refusing to take bodies, for example in Naples, where the body of Teresa Franzese, 47, was kept at home for almost two days before it was collected.
All religious ceremonies, including funerals, masses and weddings, are banned amid the lockdown. However, two priests, one near Venice and another in the southern Campania region, were charged for officiating a funeral.
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mollwollfumble said:
Tried nine stores looking to buy a thermometer – all sold out.What do you think of my coronavirus mask, shown below? How can I improve it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDj3DVWK5QU
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/
I’m fine for materials. By the way, felt-like paper masks like those on sale are the worst possible material. They stop air without stopping droplets.
A uniform woven or knitted material is best. With holes no bigger than 0.1 mm across.
What concerns me is air leaking under the top of the mask past my eyes. There ought to be a better way to cope with a western nose, such as gluing the fabric of the top of the mask to a Groucho Marx nose.
On Sunday night,
the Prime Minister said:
schools would remain open until the end of term.
Mr Morrison said:
children should go to school, but that parents could keep them home if they chose to.
took a while
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also of note
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said:
their states would be pursuing these more drastic measures
like
the Prime Minister said:
schools would remain open until the end of term.
Victoria said:
school holidays would be brought forward to start on Tuesday
nicely hacked!
