Seeing as no-one else did it. Shorter bits are better. (Although I’ve only rarely loaded a whole thread for anything)

buffy said:

Seeing as no-one else did it. Shorter bits are better. (Although I’ve only rarely loaded a whole thread for anything)

I only see one post at a time anyway.

From ABC front,

Live: PM says the daily growth rate of coronavirus has dropped in the past week

then at the link

Yesterday, Australia saw its biggest jump in cases since the start of the coronavirus pandemic, with more than 450 new cases recorded.

sounds like that émissions reduction bullshit hey ¿

SCIENCE said:

From ABC front,

Live: PM says the daily growth rate of coronavirus has dropped in the past week

then at the link

Yesterday, Australia saw its biggest jump in cases since the start of the coronavirus pandemic, with more than 450 new cases recorded.

sounds like that émissions reduction bullshit hey ¿

“Growth rate”.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

From ABC front,

Live: PM says the daily growth rate of coronavirus has dropped in the past week

then at the link

Yesterday, Australia saw its biggest jump in cases since the start of the coronavirus pandemic, with more than 450 new cases recorded.

sounds like that émissions reduction bullshit hey ¿

“Growth rate”.

fair point, we didn’t check the relative, and it’s possible that’s what was meant

though the point is the same, hide the ugly truth with bullshit accounting

and they say the Chinese gouvernent is corrupt

Interesting piece.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-29/coronavirus-australian-travellers-need-too-much-from-government/12096460

buffy said:

Seeing as no-one else did it. Shorter bits are better. (Although I’ve only rarely loaded a whole thread for anything)

cannot believe you didn’t take the opportunity to name it Corona Virus C…

Deeply disappointed in you.

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

From ABC front,

Live: PM says the daily growth rate of coronavirus has dropped in the past week

then at the link

Yesterday, Australia saw its biggest jump in cases since the start of the coronavirus pandemic, with more than 450 new cases recorded.

sounds like that émissions reduction bullshit hey ¿

“Growth rate”.

fair point, we didn’t check the relative, and it’s possible that’s what was meant

though the point is the same, hide the ugly truth with bullshit accounting

and they say the Chinese gouvernent is corrupt

There are always a few spikes so I would not be keen to make a call based on a single data point. Broadly speaking the new case graph has flattened.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

“Growth rate”.

fair point, we didn’t check the relative, and it’s possible that’s what was meant

though the point is the same, hide the ugly truth with bullshit accounting

and they say the Chinese gouvernent is corrupt

There are always a few spikes so I would not be keen to make a call based on a single data point. Broadly speaking the new case graph has flattened.

so we’re fattening the curve?

there is a coronavirus ap now… in case you didn’t know already

https://apps.apple.com/au/app/coronavirus-australia/id1503846231

So how are the shortages going? Are there still empty shelves out there?

dv said:

So how are the shortages going? Are there still empty shelves out there?

I don’t know. I haven’t been out the front gate since Thursday.

Arts said:

buffy said:

Seeing as no-one else did it. Shorter bits are better. (Although I’ve only rarely loaded a whole thread for anything)

cannot believe you didn’t take the opportunity to name it Corona Virus C…

Deeply disappointed in you.

Why C? Isn’t it the fourth iteration? (Perhaps I’m losing count. I often don’t know which day of the week it is, but I put that down to retirement)

dv said:

So how are the shortages going? Are there still empty shelves out there?

yep, but getting better. Pasta seems to be the goto item atm.

dv said:

So how are the shortages going? Are there still empty shelves out there?

Yes. Mostly pasta and loo paper. Everything else is coming back to normal, not quite there yet though.

buffy said:

Arts said:

buffy said:

Seeing as no-one else did it. Shorter bits are better. (Although I’ve only rarely loaded a whole thread for anything)

cannot believe you didn’t take the opportunity to name it Corona Virus C…

Deeply disappointed in you.

Why C? Isn’t it the fourth iteration? (Perhaps I’m losing count. I often don’t know which day of the week it is, but I put that down to retirement)

it’s not supposed to make any sense. none of this does.

Arts said:

there is a coronavirus ap now… in case you didn’t know already

https://apps.apple.com/au/app/coronavirus-australia/id1503846231

Does it infect you via your phone?

Woodie said:

dv said:

So how are the shortages going? Are there still empty shelves out there?

I don’t know. I haven’t been out the front gate since Thursday.

Are you out of quarantine now DV? that time flew by.

Arts said:

Are you out of quarantine now DV? that time flew by.

I am not. Friday is our big day out.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

So how are the shortages going? Are there still empty shelves out there?

yep, but getting better. Pasta seems to be the goto item atm.

The Chinese bricks of noodles were back in our Woollies the other day.

I managed to score a packet of miso soup mix yesterday.

glances over shoulder

buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

So how are the shortages going? Are there still empty shelves out there?

yep, but getting better. Pasta seems to be the goto item atm.

The Chinese bricks of noodles were back in our Woollies the other day.

Ayam (Chook) brand from Indonesia is my fave.

Mr buffy has just arranged a mental health thing for a friend who lives alone. Friend will get in his car on Tuesday morning, early, in Hamilton and drive to our place. When he arrives, the three of us will, with appropriate distancing, walk the 500m to the bakery to buy breakfast (and bread and cake supplies for friend. We have to order beesting and vanilla slice for him when we get our bread on Monday) I expect we will then walk back to our place and social distance on the verandah to eat our takeaway food. This will take about half an hour. Then he will drive himself back to Hamilton and we will head over to Casterton for the weekly batch of meat for the bakery.

sibeen said:

I managed to score a packet of miso soup mix yesterday.

glances over shoulder

to soak your tofu in?

sibeen said:

I managed to score a packet of miso soup mix yesterday.

glances over shoulder

But you know how to make easy roasted tomato soup now…

Tamb said:

buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:

yep, but getting better. Pasta seems to be the goto item atm.

The Chinese bricks of noodles were back in our Woollies the other day.

Ayam (Chook) brand from Indonesia is my fave.

That’s the one.

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

I managed to score a packet of miso soup mix yesterday.

glances over shoulder

to soak your tofu in?

Mz Tamb insisted on calling it Toe food.

Here’s the first post in the first thread I could find on it:

Date: 4/03/2020 13:54:51
From: Ogmog
ID: 1509182
Subject: Covid-19
Ogmog said:

“This pathogen has all the signs of being ‘the big one,’” said Lewis, who is among those at the Biocomplexity Institute who works in a research partnership with AccuWeather. “When current estimates for COVID-19 are compared to the 1918 pandemic, they are eerily similar. The outcomes will likely be different given modern medicine; however, the impact on society and its functioning is likely to be significant.”

buffy said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

The Chinese bricks of noodles were back in our Woollies the other day.

Ayam (Chook) brand from Indonesia is my fave.

That’s the one.

I feel like i’m on WeChat.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

“Growth rate”.

fair point, we didn’t check the relative, and it’s possible that’s what was meant

though the point is the same, hide the ugly truth with bullshit accounting

and they say the Chinese gouvernent is corrupt

There are always a few spikes so I would not be keen to make a call based on a single data point. Broadly speaking the new case graph has flattened.

Though I think the point he was underlining was “So the social distancing is working, please keep it up folks”.

ChrispenEvan said:

buffy said:

Tamb said:

Ayam (Chook) brand from Indonesia is my fave.

That’s the one.

I feel like i’m on WeChat.

As opposed to wee chat where men at the urinal discuss sport.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

So how are the shortages going? Are there still empty shelves out there?

yep, but getting better. Pasta seems to be the goto item atm.

I “heard” potting mix is now de rigueur in those stakes as well.

buffy said:

Mr buffy has just arranged a mental health thing for a friend who lives alone. Friend will get in his car on Tuesday morning, early, in Hamilton and drive to our place. When he arrives, the three of us will, with appropriate distancing, walk the 500m to the bakery to buy breakfast (and bread and cake supplies for friend. We have to order beesting and vanilla slice for him when we get our bread on Monday) I expect we will then walk back to our place and social distance on the verandah to eat our takeaway food. This will take about half an hour. Then he will drive himself back to Hamilton and we will head over to Casterton for the weekly batch of meat for the bakery.

What us beesting and vanilla slice? I’ve had vanilla slice before, and I’ve been stung by bees, but have never thought of combining the two.

Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

buffy said:

That’s the one.

I feel like i’m on WeChat.

As opposed to wee chat where men at the urinal discuss sport.

LOLs

Arts said:

there is a coronavirus ap now… in case you didn’t know already

https://apps.apple.com/au/app/coronavirus-australia/id1503846231

I’ll be relying on you lot and the ABC to keep me up to date as my phone is not smart. Even when I turn it on.

btm said:

buffy said:

Mr buffy has just arranged a mental health thing for a friend who lives alone. Friend will get in his car on Tuesday morning, early, in Hamilton and drive to our place. When he arrives, the three of us will, with appropriate distancing, walk the 500m to the bakery to buy breakfast (and bread and cake supplies for friend. We have to order beesting and vanilla slice for him when we get our bread on Monday) I expect we will then walk back to our place and social distance on the verandah to eat our takeaway food. This will take about half an hour. Then he will drive himself back to Hamilton and we will head over to Casterton for the weekly batch of meat for the bakery.

What us beesting and vanilla slice? I’ve had vanilla slice before, and I’ve been stung by bees, but have never thought of combining the two.

Beesting is a German yeast cake split in two with honey and creamy stuff in the middle and with an almond sweet topping.

Here you go btm:

puts on mask
So DV when you are out of house detention do you contact someone and they cross you off a list or anything.
Or is it a laissez fare hand waving qld border closure sort of thing.
takes mask off

A few days ago someone was lamenting about the death toll reaching 20,000 ‘soon’.. todays JH map shows 30,780 deaths… a news article reported the death of an infant from the virus in the USA.. Trump reckons he doesn’t need to shut down NYC, and Australian cases are increasing mainly due to travellers.. (probably ship people)

tune in later for more….

Peak Warming Man said:

puts on mask
So DV when you are out of house detention do you contact someone and they cross you off a list or anything.
Or is it a laissez fare hand waving qld border closure sort of thing.
takes mask off

who was that masked man?

Arts said:

A few days ago someone was lamenting about the death toll reaching 20,000 ‘soon’.. todays JH map shows 30,780 deaths… a news article reported the death of an infant from the virus in the USA.. Trump reckons he doesn’t need to shut down NYC, and Australian cases are increasing mainly due to travellers.. (probably ship people)

tune in later for more….

30,822

buffy said:

Here you go btm:

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Thanks buffy. Apparently also called Bienenstich; there’s also a cocktail made with vodka and whisky called beesting, and colostrum, milk produced when a mammal (including human) starts lactating, is also called beestings.

My learning for today.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

fair point, we didn’t check the relative, and it’s possible that’s what was meant

though the point is the same, hide the ugly truth with bullshit accounting

and they say the Chinese gouvernent is corrupt

There are always a few spikes so I would not be keen to make a call based on a single data point. Broadly speaking the new case graph has flattened.

so we’re fattening the curve?

we tried to suppress a snigger

in fairness we didn’t actually find a direct quote from that prime minister dude so it’s not slam dunk on the bullshit

Gollum used to refer to himself as we.

Peak Warming Man said:

Gollum used to refer to himself as we.

Hopefully to bring awareness that those who ask, “How are we?”, are as stupid as they really are.

Cooked some pies this morning. My son thought the crust was bitter.

Peak Warming Man said:

Gollum used to refer to himself as we.

That was because he was both Gollum and Sméagol, so he was a “we.”

woo wee hear sirens

Speedy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Gollum used to refer to himself as we.

Hopefully to bring awareness that those who ask, “How are we?”, are as stupid as they really are.

Seems a little harsh, but you might approve of the standard greeting of a work colleague from long ago:

You’re all right.
How am I?

here we go, it was bullshit accounting after all, not necessarily false, but of course exaggerate the numbers by hacking into favourable ones

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-29/federal-government-launches-coronavirus-australia-app/12100680
While the national death toll rose to 16 following the deaths of a woman in Queensland and a man in Victoria, Mr Morrison said the rate of increase had dropped from 25 to 30 per cent a day, to 13 to 15 per cent a day.

in other news

Not overwhelming the health system could reduce the rate of DEATH from coronavirus by 80%!!!!!!!!

Corresponding to an absolute rate reduction of 4%, which is still something ‘u’d hope for, of course.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Speedy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Gollum used to refer to himself as we.

Hopefully to bring awareness that those who ask, “How are we?”, are as stupid as they really are.

Seems a little harsh, but you might approve of the standard greeting of a work colleague from long ago:

You’re all right.
How am I?

Reminds me. Two shrinks meet each other. One says to the other “You’re alright, how am I”

Remember how there was no way we could increase rebates / bulk billing for GPs and all that shixzl ¿

In addition to the new features, the Federal Government detailed its $1.1 billion healthcare package.
…
The Government is also doubling the bulk-billing incentive and making that available for both face-to-face and telehealth …

SCIENCE said:

Remember how there was no way we could increase rebates / bulk billing for GPs and all that shixzl ¿

In addition to the new features, the Federal Government detailed its $1.1 billion healthcare package.
…
The Government is also doubling the bulk-billing incentive and making that available for both face-to-face and telehealth …

That seems like a strange thing to do.

,

Someone posted this the other day. Any of y’all know the source?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Remember how there was no way we could increase rebates / bulk billing for GPs and all that shixzl ¿

In addition to the new features, the Federal Government detailed its $1.1 billion healthcare package.
…
The Government is also doubling the bulk-billing incentive and making that available for both face-to-face and telehealth …

That seems like a strange thing to do.

The virus giveth & the virus taketh away.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-29/woman-dead-in-dog-attack-on-nsw-south-coast/12100630

Imagine if they had listened to the advice to stay home, and avoid getting attacked by other organisms.

dv said:

,

Someone posted this the other day. Any of y’all know the source?

Fairly certain it was poik who posted it.

The Coronavirus, As Seen Through The Eyes Of A Right-Wing Shock Jock
“There are other issues here that are very serious issues, and I don’t regard the virus as one of them,” said breakfast radio host Alan Jones.

Alan Jones, 78, is one of Australia’s most popular and influential radio broadcasters. As the coronavirus has swept the globe, the conservative Jones has continually played down its threat to his hundreds of thousands of listeners, preferring to focus on business and the economy.

Read more:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/peterholmes/alan-jones-radio-broadcaster-coronavirus-australia

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Coronavirus, As Seen Through The Eyes Of A Right-Wing Shock Jock
“There are other issues here that are very serious issues, and I don’t regard the virus as one of them,” said breakfast radio host Alan Jones.

Alan Jones, 78, is one of Australia’s most popular and influential radio broadcasters. As the coronavirus has swept the globe, the conservative Jones has continually played down its threat to his hundreds of thousands of listeners, preferring to focus on business and the economy.

Read more:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/peterholmes/alan-jones-radio-broadcaster-coronavirus-australia

“Popular” 😏

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Coronavirus, As Seen Through The Eyes Of A Right-Wing Shock Jock
“There are other issues here that are very serious issues, and I don’t regard the virus as one of them,” said breakfast radio host Alan Jones.

… from the isolation of his country mansion.

dv said:

,

Someone posted this the other day. Any of y’all know the source?

Yes

Divine Angel said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Coronavirus, As Seen Through The Eyes Of A Right-Wing Shock Jock
“There are other issues here that are very serious issues, and I don’t regard the virus as one of them,” said breakfast radio host Alan Jones.

Alan Jones, 78, is one of Australia’s most popular and influential radio broadcasters. As the coronavirus has swept the globe, the conservative Jones has continually played down its threat to his hundreds of thousands of listeners, preferring to focus on business and the economy.

Read more:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/peterholmes/alan-jones-radio-broadcaster-coronavirus-australia

“Popular” 😏

Not round these parts, but I hear tell he is with some folks.

dv said:

,

Someone posted this the other day. Any of y’all know the source?

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Coronavirus, As Seen Through The Eyes Of A Right-Wing Shock Jock
“There are other issues here that are very serious issues, and I don’t regard the virus as one of them,” said breakfast radio host Alan Jones.

Alan Jones, 78, is one of Australia’s most popular and influential radio broadcasters. As the coronavirus has swept the globe, the conservative Jones has continually played down its threat to his hundreds of thousands of listeners, preferring to focus on business and the economy.

Read more:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/peterholmes/alan-jones-radio-broadcaster-coronavirus-australia

the twists are bizarre

How mutations in Coronavirus track it’s spread and disprove bio weapon conspiracy theories

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/03/how-coronavirus-mutations-can-track-its-spread-and-disprove-conspiracies/

Michael V said:

dv said:

,

Someone posted this the other day. Any of y’all know the source?

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers

Cheers

If politicians could observe the required spacing when posing for photographs, that’d be great

Coronavirus claims life of 77 yr old woman in Caboolture hospital. She’d been a passenger onboard Ruby Princess cruise ship.

That means there’s at least one confirmed case near-ish to me. Hopefully she didn’t spread it to anyone else.

dv said:

,

Someone posted this the other day. Any of y’all know the source?

it’s from the health.gov website

As PP would say: “they’re fucked”…

https://www.theage.com.au/world/south-america/brazils-bolsonaro-makes-life-or-death-coronavirus-gamble-20200329-p54ey7.html

imagine being a role model

Witty Rejoinder said:

As PP would say: “they’re fucked”…

https://www.theage.com.au/world/south-america/brazils-bolsonaro-makes-life-or-death-coronavirus-gamble-20200329-p54ey7.html

“What he isn’t calculating is the public opinion hit that he can take for being seen to have not handled well the public health crisis.”

but these things are 100% plausibly deniable, that’s the beauty of it, there is no public opinion hit

see also: Morrison,

Witty Rejoinder said:

As PP would say: “they’re fucked”…

https://www.theage.com.au/world/south-america/brazils-bolsonaro-makes-life-or-death-coronavirus-gamble-20200329-p54ey7.html

I think Brazil is already on the list.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Speedy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Gollum used to refer to himself as we.

Hopefully to bring awareness that those who ask, “How are we?”, are as stupid as they really are.

Seems a little harsh, but you might approve of the standard greeting of a work colleague from long ago:

You’re all right.
How am I?

Yes, approve :)

Divine Angel said:

How mutations in Coronavirus track it’s spread and disprove bio weapon conspiracy theories

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/03/how-coronavirus-mutations-can-track-its-spread-and-disprove-conspiracies/

read that and quite few others on same page

sibeen said:

dv said:

,

Someone posted this the other day. Any of y’all know the source?

Fairly certain it was poik who posted it.

I would agree that it was poik. I thought about, but I don’t think I did, ask about the source.

Note to self – finish catching up before commenting.

“New York governor Andrew Cuomo says there’s a bidding war going on between various US states for ventilators to treat seriously ill COVID-19 patients.

Deaths from the virus have doubled in the US in the past two days to more than 2,000, with more than 120,000 infections.

US president Donald Trump has now abandoned any plans to quarantine New York State and New Jersey to limit the spread — a proposal Governor Cuomo heavily criticised.

But the governor says the supply of badly-needed ventilators is now a major concern.

“The price of ventilators went from $25,000 to $45,000. Why? Because we bid $25,000, California says I’ll give you $30,000, Illinois says I’ll give you $35,000, Florida says I’ll give you $40,000. We are literally bidding up the prices ourselves.”“

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-29/coronavirus-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news-morrison-meeting/12100166

Pure, unimpeded market economy. Who’d‘ve thought it?

Michael V said:

“New York governor Andrew Cuomo says there’s a bidding war going on between various US states for ventilators to treat seriously ill COVID-19 patients.

Deaths from the virus have doubled in the US in the past two days to more than 2,000, with more than 120,000 infections.

US president Donald Trump has now abandoned any plans to quarantine New York State and New Jersey to limit the spread — a proposal Governor Cuomo heavily criticised.

But the governor says the supply of badly-needed ventilators is now a major concern.

“The price of ventilators went from $25,000 to $45,000. Why? Because we bid $25,000, California says I’ll give you $30,000, Illinois says I’ll give you $35,000, Florida says I’ll give you $40,000. We are literally bidding up the prices ourselves.”“

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-29/coronavirus-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news-morrison-meeting/12100166

Pure, unimpeded market economy. Who’d‘ve thought it?

It’s almost as though they’d be better off with some kind of federal system…

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/820595489/why-germanys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-far-lower-than-in-other-countries?fbclid=IwAR31nfMLs0M_jUEW4ekpyezLXi0H-olFehPH_9oktiWrUzc15jAp1WmGlXo

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/five-minute-virus-test-approved-in-us-for-use-almost-anywhere-20200329-p54exx.html

dv said:

Michael V said:

“New York governor Andrew Cuomo says there’s a bidding war going on between various US states for ventilators to treat seriously ill COVID-19 patients.

Deaths from the virus have doubled in the US in the past two days to more than 2,000, with more than 120,000 infections.

US president Donald Trump has now abandoned any plans to quarantine New York State and New Jersey to limit the spread — a proposal Governor Cuomo heavily criticised.

But the governor says the supply of badly-needed ventilators is now a major concern.

“The price of ventilators went from $25,000 to $45,000. Why? Because we bid $25,000, California says I’ll give you $30,000, Illinois says I’ll give you $35,000, Florida says I’ll give you $40,000. We are literally bidding up the prices ourselves.”“

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-29/coronavirus-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news-morrison-meeting/12100166

Pure, unimpeded market economy. Who’d‘ve thought it?

It’s almost as though they’d be better off with some kind of federal system…

imagine electing a president

Dr Karl fanning the conspiracy theories

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/brisbane/programs/mornings/dr-karl-thursday/12093172

07:12

NSW

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/five-minute-virus-test-approved-in-us-for-use-almost-anywhere-20200329-p54exx.html

One of these fast tests was found to be about 30% effective? Or did I dream that?

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/820595489/why-germanys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-far-lower-than-in-other-countries?fbclid=IwAR31nfMLs0M_jUEW4ekpyezLXi0H-olFehPH_9oktiWrUzc15jAp1WmGlXo

Compared to Australia the death rate in Germany is very high.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/five-minute-virus-test-approved-in-us-for-use-almost-anywhere-20200329-p54exx.html

One of these fast tests was found to be about 30% effective? Or did I dream that?

I thought that was in Spain, they bought a batch from China from an unauthorised (by the Chinese Govt.) supplier, and had to throw them out because they were so badly inaccurate.

Dear God,

We were told that we would see Glorious Success after 2 weeks of lockdown. Thank you for granting the wisdom to our Lord and Saviour Morrison, to follow the lead of the States in taking this action. Now that we have done the needful, we pray that the end of our Solitary Suffering is in Sight. Please, God, give us a Sign.

Next Sunday.

Amen.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/five-minute-virus-test-approved-in-us-for-use-almost-anywhere-20200329-p54exx.html

One of these fast tests was found to be about 30% effective? Or did I dream that?

I thought that was in Spain, they bought a batch from China from an unauthorised (by the Chinese Govt.) supplier, and had to throw them out because they were so badly inaccurate.

I just watched a thing where the woman said she was tested for influenza A and B and Covid. A and B came back quickly as negative and so they assumed Covid.

SCIENCE said:

Dear God,

We were told that we would see Glorious Success after 2 weeks of lockdown. Thank you for granting the wisdom to our Lord and Saviour Morrison, to follow the lead of the States in taking this action. Now that we have done the needful, we pray that the end of our Solitary Suffering is in Sight. Please, God, give us a Sign.

Next Sunday.

Amen.

After some minor shower activity this morning, this afternoon has been sunny (and still horribly blustery). So are we ahead of things here in Western Victoria? (To the best of my knowledge there is only one positive in Hamilton, someone who returned from overseas and immediately isolated a week or so ago. Family bringing food to the door)

sarahs mum said:

NSW

if that is true then of course the numbers have dropped and the government get to pretend it’s anything to do with “distancing” and “curvefattening”

it’s been 2 weeks since various travel bans, probably from the most affected countries

you’d fully expect that overseas numbers will be lower, and local acquisitions would dominate

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

buffy said:

One of these fast tests was found to be about 30% effective? Or did I dream that?

I thought that was in Spain, they bought a batch from China from an unauthorised (by the Chinese Govt.) supplier, and had to throw them out because they were so badly inaccurate.

I just watched a thing where the woman said she was tested for influenza A and B and Covid. A and B came back quickly as negative and so they assumed Covid.

seems reasonable

we heard that even the 5-day-delay tests we started with, had a 70% correct only

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

Dear God,

We were told that we would see Glorious Success after 2 weeks of lockdown. Thank you for granting the wisdom to our Lord and Saviour Morrison, to follow the lead of the States in taking this action. Now that we have done the needful, we pray that the end of our Solitary Suffering is in Sight. Please, God, give us a Sign.

Next Sunday.

Amen.

After some minor shower activity this morning, this afternoon has been sunny (and still horribly blustery). So are we ahead of things here in Western Victoria? (To the best of my knowledge there is only one positive in Hamilton, someone who returned from overseas and immediately isolated a week or so ago. Family bringing food to the door)

we have it from a reliable source that hundreds of Sydneysillies were still out for a waterfront run, breathing in the aerosols from the joggers in front of them, wonder if that’s like elsewhere

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

buffy said:

One of these fast tests was found to be about 30% effective? Or did I dream that?

I thought that was in Spain, they bought a batch from China from an unauthorised (by the Chinese Govt.) supplier, and had to throw them out because they were so badly inaccurate.

I just watched a thing where the woman said she was tested for influenza A and B and Covid. A and B came back quickly as negative and so they assumed Covid.

So would that go as a definite in the stats? It might have been a rhinovirus (although in general they are more snotty and less fevery)

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

Dear God,

We were told that we would see Glorious Success after 2 weeks of lockdown. Thank you for granting the wisdom to our Lord and Saviour Morrison, to follow the lead of the States in taking this action. Now that we have done the needful, we pray that the end of our Solitary Suffering is in Sight. Please, God, give us a Sign.

Next Sunday.

Amen.

After some minor shower activity this morning, this afternoon has been sunny (and still horribly blustery). So are we ahead of things here in Western Victoria? (To the best of my knowledge there is only one positive in Hamilton, someone who returned from overseas and immediately isolated a week or so ago. Family bringing food to the door)

we have it from a reliable source that hundreds of Sydneysillies were still out for a waterfront run, breathing in the aerosols from the joggers in front of them, wonder if that’s like elsewhere

Don’t know. The normal walkers/joggers around town here (including us) are still walking/jogging and dog walking, but we are so sparse you are lucky to get within 20m of someone else. It’s always a fairly solitary, occasionally up to 3, pursuit.

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/820595489/why-germanys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-far-lower-than-in-other-countries?fbclid=IwAR31nfMLs0M_jUEW4ekpyezLXi0H-olFehPH_9oktiWrUzc15jAp1WmGlXo

so should our federal government just fkov and leave the health-related decisions to the states ¿

given they(states)’ve been the first movers anyway, maybe it’s the correct

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

Dear God,

We were told that we would see Glorious Success after 2 weeks of lockdown. Thank you for granting the wisdom to our Lord and Saviour Morrison, to follow the lead of the States in taking this action. Now that we have done the needful, we pray that the end of our Solitary Suffering is in Sight. Please, God, give us a Sign.

Next Sunday.

Amen.

After some minor shower activity this morning, this afternoon has been sunny (and still horribly blustery). So are we ahead of things here in Western Victoria? (To the best of my knowledge there is only one positive in Hamilton, someone who returned from overseas and immediately isolated a week or so ago. Family bringing food to the door)

we have it from a reliable source that hundreds of Sydneysillies were still out for a waterfront run, breathing in the aerosols from the joggers in front of them, wonder if that’s like elsewhere

Oh, Fatherland. Fatherland / Show us the sign / Your children have waited to see / The morning will come when the world is mine / Tomorrow belongs, tomorrow belongs, tomorrow belongs to me!
Hitler Youth

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

After some minor shower activity this morning, this afternoon has been sunny (and still horribly blustery). So are we ahead of things here in Western Victoria? (To the best of my knowledge there is only one positive in Hamilton, someone who returned from overseas and immediately isolated a week or so ago. Family bringing food to the door)

we have it from a reliable source that hundreds of Sydneysillies were still out for a waterfront run, breathing in the aerosols from the joggers in front of them, wonder if that’s like elsewhere

Oh, Fatherland. Fatherland / Show us the sign / Your children have waited to see / The morning will come when the world is mine / Tomorrow belongs, tomorrow belongs, tomorrow belongs to me!
Hitler Youth

That’ll get them in.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

we have it from a reliable source that hundreds of Sydneysillies were still out for a waterfront run, breathing in the aerosols from the joggers in front of them, wonder if that’s like elsewhere

Don’t know. The normal walkers/joggers around town here (including us) are still walking/jogging and dog walking, but we are so sparse you are lucky to get within 20m of someone else. It’s always a fairly solitary, occasionally up to 3, pursuit.

ok got a clip from source

ah, Sydney, might be a good time to go to the football game last night after all

(serious) NOTE: they can talk it up all they like, but it really has been 2 weeks since the joker backed out of that game watching fiasco, a clear enough signal to enough of the public, we suppose, that might actually have had the desired effect on the incidence rate around now

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

After some minor shower activity this morning, this afternoon has been sunny (and still horribly blustery). So are we ahead of things here in Western Victoria? (To the best of my knowledge there is only one positive in Hamilton, someone who returned from overseas and immediately isolated a week or so ago. Family bringing food to the door)

we have it from a reliable source that hundreds of Sydneysillies were still out for a waterfront run, breathing in the aerosols from the joggers in front of them, wonder if that’s like elsewhere

Oh, Fatherland. Fatherland / Show us the sign / Your children have waited to see / The morning will come when the world is mine / Tomorrow belongs, tomorrow belongs, tomorrow belongs to me!
Hitler Youth

Could’ve worked out for them, but it didn’t.

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

we have it from a reliable source that hundreds of Sydneysillies were still out for a waterfront run, breathing in the aerosols from the joggers in front of them, wonder if that’s like elsewhere

Oh, Fatherland. Fatherland / Show us the sign / Your children have waited to see / The morning will come when the world is mine / Tomorrow belongs, tomorrow belongs, tomorrow belongs to me!
Hitler Youth

Could’ve worked out for them, but it didn’t.

Actually it did but the war was lost by then.

Bad news. According to my calculation of mortality rate it’s rising, fast. Look at the trend from the last three points.
This could be because of difference between lower mortality rate in China, and higher in USA and Europe.

To make better sense of this I need to track recovery rates in America and Europe separately from China, over time. And that isn’t easy because the recovery rate data is overwritten daily.

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/820595489/why-germanys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-far-lower-than-in-other-countries?fbclid=IwAR31nfMLs0M_jUEW4ekpyezLXi0H-olFehPH_9oktiWrUzc15jAp1WmGlXo

Compared to Australia the death rate in Germany is very high.

We’ve been blessed

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/820595489/why-germanys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-far-lower-than-in-other-countries?fbclid=IwAR31nfMLs0M_jUEW4ekpyezLXi0H-olFehPH_9oktiWrUzc15jAp1WmGlXo

Compared to Australia the death rate in Germany is very high.

We’ve been blessed

It’s all ScoMo’s fault.

mollwollfumble said:

Bad news. According to my calculation of mortality rate it’s rising, fast. Look at the trend from the last three points.
This could be because of difference between lower mortality rate in China, and higher in USA and Europe.

To make better sense of this I need to track recovery rates in America and Europe separately from China, over time. And that isn’t easy because the recovery rate data is overwritten daily.

maybe it’s a CHINESE CONSPIRACY designed to kill genetically un-Asian un-Asians

Carina Wyborn @rini_rants

Self care isolation pack? Doesn’t really help feed my toddler. The only food he has been given all day was from a generous cop who shared snacks from his car. It is 5pm and we got off our plane in Sydney at 8am #nswcovidquarantine #notgoodenough ping ⁦@ScottMorrisonMP⁩

sarahs mum said:

Carina Wyborn @rini_rants

Self care isolation pack? Doesn’t really help feed my toddler. The only food he has been given all day was from a generous cop who shared snacks from his car. It is 5pm and we got off our plane in Sydney at 8am #nswcovidquarantine #notgoodenough ping ⁦@ScottMorrisonMP⁩

Give the care pack to someone who will appreciate it. What a whiner.

sarahs mum said:

Carina Wyborn @rini_rants

Self care isolation pack? Doesn’t really help feed my toddler. The only food he has been given all day was from a generous cop who shared snacks from his car. It is 5pm and we got off our plane in Sydney at 8am #nswcovidquarantine #notgoodenough ping ⁦@ScottMorrisonMP⁩

Not sure what she’s complaining about. There are sugar satchels there fit for any toddler.

Speedy said:

sarahs mum said:

Carina Wyborn @rini_rants

Self care isolation pack? Doesn’t really help feed my toddler. The only food he has been given all day was from a generous cop who shared snacks from his car. It is 5pm and we got off our plane in Sydney at 8am #nswcovidquarantine #notgoodenough ping ⁦@ScottMorrisonMP⁩

Not sure what she’s complaining about. There are sugar satchels there fit for any toddler.

wine is also good for stopping a toddlers complaints.

4m ago 07:37

New South Wales health has deployed more than 350 physiotherapists with previous experience in intensive care to help cope with the rising number of cases in the state.

NSW’s chief allied health officer, Andrew Davison, said the physiotherapists have been “upskilled” over the weekend via virtual training. They will help wean patients off much-needed ventilators, and improve patient positioning to “optimise oxygenation and patient outcomes”.

“Physiotherapists, and all allied health clinicians, are an essential part of the multidisciplinary team and the collaborative response to treat and support patients with COVID-19,” Davison has said in a statement issued this afternoon.

The NSW government previously announced a $2.3bn stimulus package, including $700 million for the state’s health department, to increase capacity in public hospitals, particularly within ICUs and emergency departments.

sarahs mum said:

Carina Wyborn @rini_rants

Self care isolation pack? Doesn’t really help feed my toddler. The only food he has been given all day was from a generous cop who shared snacks from his car. It is 5pm and we got off our plane in Sydney at 8am #nswcovidquarantine #notgoodenough ping ⁦@ScottMorrisonMP⁩

There are four toilet paper rolls there. She could go on gumtree and trade them for a truck load of baby food.

Hey, has there been any shortage of infant formula?

Speedy said:

sarahs mum said:

Carina Wyborn @rini_rants

Self care isolation pack? Doesn’t really help feed my toddler. The only food he has been given all day was from a generous cop who shared snacks from his car. It is 5pm and we got off our plane in Sydney at 8am #nswcovidquarantine #notgoodenough ping ⁦@ScottMorrisonMP⁩

Not sure what she’s complaining about. There are sugar satchels there fit for any toddler.

perhaps there is a mismatch between what people need and what they are given, and it is not even about what they want, and it is not about complaining, and it is true that resources should be allocated better, but that could actually be done, but we can sit and judge from our home isolation

Speedy said:

sarahs mum said:

Carina Wyborn @rini_rants

Self care isolation pack? Doesn’t really help feed my toddler. The only food he has been given all day was from a generous cop who shared snacks from his car. It is 5pm and we got off our plane in Sydney at 8am #nswcovidquarantine #notgoodenough ping ⁦@ScottMorrisonMP⁩

Not sure what she’s complaining about. There are sugar satchels there fit for any toddler.

I can’t actually tell what is in that pile. I’m assuming this is someone who was taken directly into quarantine off a plane to a hotel isolation. I’d imagine you actually do get fed in that arrangement and that care pack is your chocolate (I can see some fairtrade chocolate because I recognize the packaging), and other nice things.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Carina Wyborn @rini_rants

Self care isolation pack? Doesn’t really help feed my toddler. The only food he has been given all day was from a generous cop who shared snacks from his car. It is 5pm and we got off our plane in Sydney at 8am #nswcovidquarantine #notgoodenough ping ⁦@ScottMorrisonMP⁩

There are four toilet paper rolls there. She could go on gumtree and trade them for a truck load of baby food.

Hey, has there been any shortage of infant formula?

probably China’s fault again

buffy said:

Speedy said:

sarahs mum said:

Carina Wyborn @rini_rants

Self care isolation pack? Doesn’t really help feed my toddler. The only food he has been given all day was from a generous cop who shared snacks from his car. It is 5pm and we got off our plane in Sydney at 8am #nswcovidquarantine #notgoodenough ping ⁦@ScottMorrisonMP⁩

Not sure what she’s complaining about. There are sugar satchels there fit for any toddler.

I can’t actually tell what is in that pile. I’m assuming this is someone who was taken directly into quarantine off a plane to a hotel isolation. I’d imagine you actually do get fed in that arrangement and that care pack is your chocolate (I can see some fairtrade chocolate because I recognize the packaging), and other nice things.

yes, it is a self care pack not a food pack. hygiene plus some treats by the looks.

sarahs mum said:

Carina Wyborn @rini_rants

Self care isolation pack? Doesn’t really help feed my toddler. The only food he has been given all day was from a generous cop who shared snacks from his car. It is 5pm and we got off our plane in Sydney at 8am #nswcovidquarantine #notgoodenough ping ⁦@ScottMorrisonMP⁩

Not everything is going to be done just right in this time of emergency.

ChrispenEvan said:

buffy said:

Speedy said:

Not sure what she’s complaining about. There are sugar satchels there fit for any toddler.

I can’t actually tell what is in that pile. I’m assuming this is someone who was taken directly into quarantine off a plane to a hotel isolation. I’d imagine you actually do get fed in that arrangement and that care pack is your chocolate (I can see some fairtrade chocolate because I recognize the packaging), and other nice things.

yes, it is a self care pack not a food pack. hygiene plus some treats by the looks.

Perhaps some context would be in order. Who provided her with this Self Care Isolation Pack? Why?

AwesomeO said:

sarahs mum said:

Carina Wyborn @rini_rants

Self care isolation pack? Doesn’t really help feed my toddler. The only food he has been given all day was from a generous cop who shared snacks from his car. It is 5pm and we got off our plane in Sydney at 8am #nswcovidquarantine #notgoodenough ping ⁦@ScottMorrisonMP⁩

Give the care pack to someone who will appreciate it. What a whiner.

She probably paid a lot for this holiday.

(She’s probably tired and would cry if you said boo.)

sarahs mum said:

4m ago 07:37

New South Wales health has deployed more than 350 physiotherapists with previous experience in intensive care to help cope with the rising number of cases in the state.

NSW’s chief allied health officer, Andrew Davison, said the physiotherapists have been “upskilled” over the weekend via virtual training. They will help wean patients off much-needed ventilators, and improve patient positioning to “optimise oxygenation and patient outcomes”.

“Physiotherapists, and all allied health clinicians, are an essential part of the multidisciplinary team and the collaborative response to treat and support patients with COVID-19,” Davison has said in a statement issued this afternoon.

The NSW government previously announced a $2.3bn stimulus package, including $700 million for the state’s health department, to increase capacity in public hospitals, particularly within ICUs and emergency departments.

I bet the quack chiro I used to work for reckons covid can be cured with an adjustment.

8m ago 02:50

A group of medical professionals who the New South Wales health minister Brad Hazzard slammed this morning for not going into mandatory quarantine after they arrived back in Australia in the early hours of this morning have told the Sydney Morning Herald they “followed lawful direction at every point”.

The 33 medical professionals were among a group of 77 medical professionals who were returning from a health convention on board a cruise that was unable to berth in South America.

Hazzard said this morning her was “bitterly disappointed” they had not followed instructions to enter mandatory quarantine in a hotel.

But some of the doctor’s have told the Herald it was due to “confusion and misunderstanding” between health officials and police.

Okay so this is a Self Care pack, not a food pack, provided by the NSW government (not Morrison) to people arriving by plane and being taken to hotels under quarantine conditions, where they will be provided with all meals for free. She’s right, it won’t feed her baby, and it’s not meant to.

dv said:

Okay so this is a Self Care pack, not a food pack, provided by the NSW government (not Morrison) to people arriving by plane and being taken to hotels under quarantine conditions, where they will be provided with all meals for free. She’s right, it won’t feed her baby, and it’s not meant to.

so is it true that resources should be allocated better

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Okay so this is a Self Care pack, not a food pack, provided by the NSW government (not Morrison) to people arriving by plane and being taken to hotels under quarantine conditions, where they will be provided with all meals for free. She’s right, it won’t feed her baby, and it’s not meant to.

so is it true that resources should be allocated better

Yes, like not giving chocolate to this grumpy harridan.

Dr Naomi Wolf
@naomirwolf
Can someone pls tell me in 140 characters who is currently running Australia?

https://twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1244019350580928513
——

I was reading earlier today somewhere that Barry Jones reckons we have had a quiet coup.

sarahs mum said:

Dr Naomi Wolf
@naomirwolf
Can someone pls tell me in 140 characters who is currently running Australia?

https://twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1244019350580928513
——

I was reading earlier today somewhere that Barry Jones reckons we have had a quiet coup.

the top response we see there is “The state premiers” and would have to agree

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Okay so this is a Self Care pack, not a food pack, provided by the NSW government (not Morrison) to people arriving by plane and being taken to hotels under quarantine conditions, where they will be provided with all meals for free. She’s right, it won’t feed her baby, and it’s not meant to.

so is it true that resources should be allocated better

Yes, like not giving chocolate to this grumpy harridan.

fair

in that line, we just sampled some dark chocolate and sticky raspberry tim tam things and they were sweet as, and sweet as

we were not paid for this endorsement, merely, we enjoyed them

Hillsong’s New York pastor Carl Lentz tests positive for coronavirus

As New York becomes the epicentre of the coronavirus in the USA, one of the city’s key pastors, Hillsong’s Carl Lentz, has tested positive for Covid-19.
https://www.eternitynews.com.au/world/hillsongs-new-york-pastor-carl-lentz-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Dr Naomi Wolf
@naomirwolf
Can someone pls tell me in 140 characters who is currently running Australia?

https://twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1244019350580928513
——

I was reading earlier today somewhere that Barry Jones reckons we have had a quiet coup.

the top response we see there is “The state premiers” and would have to agree

oh, it continues

Right. But until Parliament is virtually “sitting” again, Aus. nation has effectively dissolved. What if God forbid you are attacked?Who is directing your diplomats? Who is chief law enforcement officer?Who is in charge of military? Asking over and over to urge u to process this.

also fair

so everyone else loses their jobs,
people who play sports loses half their pay,
federal politicians go home and keep getting fully paid,

is that right ¿

dv said:

Hillsong’s New York pastor Carl Lentz tests positive for coronavirus

As New York becomes the epicentre of the coronavirus in the USA, one of the city’s key pastors, Hillsong’s Carl Lentz, has tested positive for Covid-19.
https://www.eternitynews.com.au/world/hillsongs-new-york-pastor-carl-lentz-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

Is it bad to say good?

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

so is it true that resources should be allocated better

Yes, like not giving chocolate to this grumpy harridan.

fair

in that line, we just sampled some dark chocolate and sticky raspberry tim tam things and they were sweet as, and sweet as

we were not paid for this endorsement, merely, we enjoyed them

Well I just ate some apples. They were okay, I guess. #notgoodenoughmorrison

sarahs mum said:

Dr Naomi Wolf
@naomirwolf
Can someone pls tell me in 140 characters who is currently running Australia?

https://twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1244019350580928513
——

I was reading earlier today somewhere that Barry Jones reckons we have had a quiet coup.

Is he going dotty?

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Hillsong’s New York pastor Carl Lentz tests positive for coronavirus

As New York becomes the epicentre of the coronavirus in the USA, one of the city’s key pastors, Hillsong’s Carl Lentz, has tested positive for Covid-19.
https://www.eternitynews.com.au/world/hillsongs-new-york-pastor-carl-lentz-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

Is it bad to say good?

I mean …

I don’t like to literally wish death on someone except in narrow circumstances.

Borderline case.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Dr Naomi Wolf
@naomirwolf
Can someone pls tell me in 140 characters who is currently running Australia?

https://twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1244019350580928513
——

I was reading earlier today somewhere that Barry Jones reckons we have had a quiet coup.

the top response we see there is “The state premiers” and would have to agree

oh, it continues

Right. But until Parliament is virtually “sitting” again, Aus. nation has effectively dissolved. What if God forbid you are attacked?Who is directing your diplomats? Who is chief law enforcement officer?Who is in charge of military? Asking over and over to urge u to process this.

also fair

so everyone else loses their jobs,
people who play sports loses half their pay,
federal politicians go home and keep getting fully paid,

is that right ¿

to be fair until the bushfires and the pandemic their only bits of serious legislation was introduce laws to make it so you can be nasty again and to privatise more of centrelink. They really didn’t want to be a sitting parliament.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Hillsong’s New York pastor Carl Lentz tests positive for coronavirus

As New York becomes the epicentre of the coronavirus in the USA, one of the city’s key pastors, Hillsong’s Carl Lentz, has tested positive for Covid-19.
https://www.eternitynews.com.au/world/hillsongs-new-york-pastor-carl-lentz-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

Is it bad to say good?

I mean …

I don’t like to literally wish death on someone except in narrow circumstances.

Borderline case.

don’t call it too early, wait a couple of weeks

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Yes, like not giving chocolate to this grumpy harridan.

fair

in that line, we just sampled some dark chocolate and sticky raspberry tim tam things and they were sweet as, and sweet as

we were not paid for this endorsement, merely, we enjoyed them

Well I just ate some apples. They were okay, I guess. #notgoodenoughmorrison

april and may are better months for apples.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Dr Naomi Wolf
@naomirwolf
Can someone pls tell me in 140 characters who is currently running Australia?

https://twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1244019350580928513
——

I was reading earlier today somewhere that Barry Jones reckons we have had a quiet coup.

the top response we see there is “The state premiers” and would have to agree

oh, it continues

Right. But until Parliament is virtually “sitting” again, Aus. nation has effectively dissolved. What if God forbid you are attacked?Who is directing your diplomats? Who is chief law enforcement officer?Who is in charge of military? Asking over and over to urge u to process this.

also fair

so everyone else loses their jobs,
people who play sports loses half their pay,
federal politicians go home and keep getting fully paid,

is that right ¿

Oh, and I likely won’t get my age pension until the backlog of Jobseekers has been cleared.

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

the top response we see there is “The state premiers” and would have to agree

oh, it continues

Right. But until Parliament is virtually “sitting” again, Aus. nation has effectively dissolved. What if God forbid you are attacked?Who is directing your diplomats? Who is chief law enforcement officer?Who is in charge of military? Asking over and over to urge u to process this.

also fair

so everyone else loses their jobs,
people who play sports loses half their pay,
federal politicians go home and keep getting fully paid,

is that right ¿

to be fair until the bushfires and the pandemic their only bits of serious legislation was introduce laws to make it so you can be nasty again and to privatise more of centrelink. They really didn’t want to be a sitting parliament.

we know that, before the election they tried to minimise the sitting too

although from the links in that feed, “Parliament has only been adjourned, not prorogued. This means its committees can still function.”

we shall see

although as Dr Karl was suggesting, when your advisors are basically made to spout the Party Line on whether (for example) it’s safe to go and vote in council elections (
SCIENCE said:

in the video, at around 00:12

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/queensland-voters-could-wait-days-for-results-as-state-goes-postal-20200328-p54eu7.html

observe the “there’s no harm in standing out there”

and tell us whether the voice actor believes what she is saying

), you do have to wonder

Gotta say, we’re doing pretty well as a family locked up in here.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

fair

in that line, we just sampled some dark chocolate and sticky raspberry tim tam things and they were sweet as, and sweet as

we were not paid for this endorsement, merely, we enjoyed them

Well I just ate some apples. They were okay, I guess. #notgoodenoughmorrison

april and may are better months for apples.

Oh I don’t know. My Red Delicious and Jonathans a brilliant at the moment, if somewhat reduced in number by the birds and possums.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

the top response we see there is “The state premiers” and would have to agree

oh, it continues

Right. But until Parliament is virtually “sitting” again, Aus. nation has effectively dissolved. What if God forbid you are attacked?Who is directing your diplomats? Who is chief law enforcement officer?Who is in charge of military? Asking over and over to urge u to process this.

also fair

so everyone else loses their jobs,
people who play sports loses half their pay,
federal politicians go home and keep getting fully paid,

is that right ¿

Oh, and I likely won’t get my age pension until the backlog of Jobseekers has been cleared.

but you should be backpaid to the day of application.

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Well I just ate some apples. They were okay, I guess. #notgoodenoughmorrison

april and may are better months for apples.

Oh I don’t know. My Red Delicious and Jonathans a brilliant at the moment, if somewhat reduced in number by the birds and possums.

I do like a red delicious.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

oh, it continues

Right. But until Parliament is virtually “sitting” again, Aus. nation has effectively dissolved. What if God forbid you are attacked?Who is directing your diplomats? Who is chief law enforcement officer?Who is in charge of military? Asking over and over to urge u to process this.

also fair

so everyone else loses their jobs,
people who play sports loses half their pay,
federal politicians go home and keep getting fully paid,

is that right ¿

Oh, and I likely won’t get my age pension until the backlog of Jobseekers has been cleared.

but you should be backpaid to the day of application.

Yes, but I would like my healthcare card thingy that means I can be bulk-billed and get cheaper medicines. And in the mean-time my meagre savings are dwindling. I have a tight budget and that’ll be shot.

>>There was previously a ten-person limit for gatherings in public areas. Tonight the Prime Minister announced that limit would be reduced to a two-person limit.

Outside gyms and skate parks are closed, and outdoor boot camps are reduced reduced to two people.<<

Just saw this as I walked past the TV. The PM is talking at the moment.

I guess Mr buffy and I and T will have to split into two groups to walk to the bakery on Tuesday. That’s fine by me. They can do the 1.5m thing and wander along and I’ll go the long way round until I get there.

buffy said:

>>There was previously a ten-person limit for gatherings in public areas. Tonight the Prime Minister announced that limit would be reduced to a two-person limit.

Outside gyms and skate parks are closed, and outdoor boot camps are reduced reduced to two people.<<

Just saw this as I walked past the TV. The PM is talking at the moment.

I guess Mr buffy and I and T will have to split into two groups to walk to the bakery on Tuesday. That’s fine by me. They can do the 1.5m thing and wander along and I’ll go the long way round until I get there.

wait, wasn’t‘e gloating that the measures seemed to have worked, what’s with the increase in restriction ¿

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

>>There was previously a ten-person limit for gatherings in public areas. Tonight the Prime Minister announced that limit would be reduced to a two-person limit.

Outside gyms and skate parks are closed, and outdoor boot camps are reduced reduced to two people.<<

Just saw this as I walked past the TV. The PM is talking at the moment.

I guess Mr buffy and I and T will have to split into two groups to walk to the bakery on Tuesday. That’s fine by me. They can do the 1.5m thing and wander along and I’ll go the long way round until I get there.

wait, wasn’t‘e gloating that the measures seemed to have worked, what’s with the increase in restriction ¿

Interesting for food shops then. Only two people inside at once? Is that one staff and one customer?

buffy said:

>>There was previously a ten-person limit for gatherings in public areas. Tonight the Prime Minister announced that limit would be reduced to a two-person limit.

Outside gyms and skate parks are closed, and outdoor boot camps are reduced reduced to two people.<<

Just saw this as I walked past the TV. The PM is talking at the moment.

I guess Mr buffy and I and T will have to split into two groups to walk to the bakery on Tuesday. That’s fine by me. They can do the 1.5m thing and wander along and I’ll go the long way round until I get there.

Thanks for that, I switched over from YouTube to watch it. Mini Me is complaining loudly that I turned off her Baby Bus show.

good news, 593k yesterday, 666k today, looks like we’re doing the 100k every 2 days thing now, can’t really say they weren’t warned

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Oh, and I likely won’t get my age pension until the backlog of Jobseekers has been cleared.

but you should be backpaid to the day of application.

Yes, but I would like my healthcare card thingy that means I can be bulk-billed and get cheaper medicines. And in the mean-time my meagre savings are dwindling. I have a tight budget and that’ll be shot.

:(

You can ask for a Centrelink socia worker and sometimes they can magic. Or you can lobby the local member.

sarahs mum said:

Oh, and I likely won’t get my age pension until the backlog of Jobseekers has been cleared.

but you should be backpaid to the day of application.

nods

SCIENCE said:

good news, 593k yesterday, 666k today, looks like we’re doing the 100k every 2 days thing now, can’t really say they weren’t warned

This doesn’t really seem like good news

1m ago 08:59

Asked why shopping centres still remain open, Morrison says people should only shop for things “that you actually need”. He uses the example of jigsaw puzzles.

I will give you an example. Our kids are at home now, as are most kids, and Jenny went out yesterday and bought them a whole bunch of jigsaw puzzles. I can assure you over the next few months we will consider those jigsaw puzzles absolutely essential.

It is important that parents and families and households can get the things that they need to completely change the way they are going to live for the next six months at least and so what we have done is sought to be practical about these issues. I mean people are buying sporting equipment at the moment, gym mats and things like that so they can exercise at home. These are things they are going to need.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

but you should be backpaid to the day of application.

Yes, but I would like my healthcare card thingy that means I can be bulk-billed and get cheaper medicines. And in the mean-time my meagre savings are dwindling. I have a tight budget and that’ll be shot.

:(

You can ask for a Centrelink socia worker and sometimes they can magic. Or you can lobby the local member.

Ta.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

good news, 593k yesterday, 666k today, looks like we’re doing the 100k every 2 days thing now, can’t really say they weren’t warned

This doesn’t really seem like good news

No, no its not.

Princess Maria Teresa of Spain becomes first royal to die from COVID-19

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/princess-maria-teresa-of-spain-becomes-first-royal-to-die-from-covid-19/articleshow/74870457.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Spider Lily said:

sarahs mum said:

Oh, and I likely won’t get my age pension until the backlog of Jobseekers has been cleared.

but you should be backpaid to the day of application.

nods

Ta.

sarahs mum said:

1m ago 08:59

Asked why shopping centres still remain open, Morrison says people should only shop for things “that you actually need”. He uses the example of jigsaw puzzles.

I will give you an example. Our kids are at home now, as are most kids, and Jenny went out yesterday and bought them a whole bunch of jigsaw puzzles. I can assure you over the next few months we will consider those jigsaw puzzles absolutely essential.

It is important that parents and families and households can get the things that they need to completely change the way they are going to live for the next six months at least and so what we have done is sought to be practical about these issues. I mean people are buying sporting equipment at the moment, gym mats and things like that so they can exercise at home. These are things they are going to need.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

1m ago 08:59

Asked why shopping centres still remain open, Morrison says people should only shop for things “that you actually need”. He uses the example of jigsaw puzzles.

I will give you an example. Our kids are at home now, as are most kids, and Jenny went out yesterday and bought them a whole bunch of jigsaw puzzles. I can assure you over the next few months we will consider those jigsaw puzzles absolutely essential.

It is important that parents and families and households can get the things that they need to completely change the way they are going to live for the next six months at least and so what we have done is sought to be practical about these issues. I mean people are buying sporting equipment at the moment, gym mats and things like that so they can exercise at home. These are things they are going to need.

Let’s play a game. A game of COVID.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

good news, 593k yesterday, 666k today, looks like we’re doing the 100k every 2 days thing now, can’t really say they weren’t warned

This doesn’t really seem like good news

good news for the flock, soon we’ll all be immune

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

good news, 593k yesterday, 666k today, looks like we’re doing the 100k every 2 days thing now, can’t really say they weren’t warned

This doesn’t really seem like good news

good news for the flock, soon we’ll all be immune

get the flock out of here

So we’re pretty much all in lock-down and confined to barracks now?

dv said:

Princess Maria Teresa of Spain becomes first royal to die from COVID-19

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/princess-maria-teresa-of-spain-becomes-first-royal-to-die-from-covid-19/articleshow/74870457.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Professor of Sociology, not bad

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

1m ago 08:59

Asked why shopping centres still remain open, Morrison says people should only shop for things “that you actually need”. He uses the example of jigsaw puzzles.

I will give you an example. Our kids are at home now, as are most kids, and Jenny went out yesterday and bought them a whole bunch of jigsaw puzzles. I can assure you over the next few months we will consider those jigsaw puzzles absolutely essential.

It is important that parents and families and households can get the things that they need to completely change the way they are going to live for the next six months at least and so what we have done is sought to be practical about these issues. I mean people are buying sporting equipment at the moment, gym mats and things like that so they can exercise at home. These are things they are going to need.

ah these first-world problems

party_pants said:

So we’re pretty much all in lock-down and confined to barracks now?

Sure looks like it.

party_pants said:

So we’re pretty much all in lock-down and confined to barracks now?

not really. There are plenty of circumstances in which you can go out.

YOU

party_pants said:

So we’re pretty much all in lock-down and confined to barracks now?

Aye, until we run out of toilet puzzles, jigsaw rolls etc. Then we can visit the IGA again.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Princess Maria Teresa of Spain becomes first royal to die from COVID-19

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/princess-maria-teresa-of-spain-becomes-first-royal-to-die-from-covid-19/articleshow/74870457.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Professor of Sociology, not bad

But she was some kind of communist

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

This doesn’t really seem like good news

good news for the flock, soon we’ll all be immune

get the flock out of here

what was that, not sure we herd you correctly

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Princess Maria Teresa of Spain becomes first royal to die from COVID-19

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/princess-maria-teresa-of-spain-becomes-first-royal-to-die-from-covid-19/articleshow/74870457.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Professor of Sociology, not bad

But she was some kind of communist

communist monarchs what will they think of next, Amatuag Ahtrahddis or something

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Professor of Sociology, not bad

But she was some kind of communist

communist monarchs what will they think of next, Amatuag Ahtrahddis or something

rofl

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

So we’re pretty much all in lock-down and confined to barracks now?

Aye, until we run out of toilet puzzles, jigsaw rolls etc. Then we can visit the IGA again.

will they stop us if we go for a nice afternoon drive

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Professor of Sociology, not bad

But she was some kind of communist

communist monarchs what will they think of next, Amatuag Ahtrahddis or something

IDGI

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Professor of Sociology, not bad

But she was some kind of communist

communist monarchs what will they think of next, Amatuag Ahtrahddis or something

IDGI

party_pants said:

So we’re pretty much all in lock-down and confined to barracks now?

Yep.

I’m thinking I’ll buy a basketball for home-schooling PE lessons. Also there’s a lot of people on YouTube doing home school isolation things, like PE, music, science etc. the lessons from the school are for the first two weeks of next term.

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

So we’re pretty much all in lock-down and confined to barracks now?

Aye, until we run out of toilet puzzles, jigsaw rolls etc. Then we can visit the IGA again.

will they stop us if we go for a nice afternoon drive

I was trying to do that with a chum but someone set the dogs on me.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Aye, until we run out of toilet puzzles, jigsaw rolls etc. Then we can visit the IGA again.

will they stop us if we go for a nice afternoon drive

I was trying to do that with a chum but someone set the dogs on me.

who let the dog out?

“The deep state extends very deeply…We didn’t elect a president to defer to a bunch of health experts that we don’t know. And how do we know they’re even health experts?”
— Rush Limbaugh

Michael V said:

Spider Lily said:

sarahs mum said:

Oh, and I likely won’t get my age pension until the backlog of Jobseekers has been cleared.

but you should be backpaid to the day of application.

nods

Ta.

Working up until 8pm and all day Sat and Sun at the moment.. That will not change. Another 5000 being employed.. It’s pretty full on and I personally do not see it changing any time soon. I’m not doing over time but plenty are.

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

So we’re pretty much all in lock-down and confined to barracks now?

Aye, until we run out of toilet puzzles, jigsaw rolls etc. Then we can visit the IGA again.

will they stop us if we go for a nice afternoon drive

Unnecessary travel.

Speaking which, we still have holidayers and caravanners here.

dv said:

“The deep state extends very deeply…We didn’t elect a president to defer to a bunch of health experts that we don’t know. And how do we know they’re even health experts?”
— Rush Limbaugh

Bloody!

dv said:

“The deep state extends very deeply…We didn’t elect a president to defer to a bunch of health experts that we don’t know. And how do we know they’re even health experts?”
— Rush Limbaugh

I can recommend this:

https://www.amazon.com.au/Rush-Limbaugh-Big-Fat-Idiot/dp/0440508649

Spider Lily said:

Michael V said:

Spider Lily said:

nods

Ta.

Working up until 8pm and all day Sat and Sun at the moment.. That will not change. Another 5000 being employed.. It’s pretty full on and I personally do not see it changing any time soon. I’m not doing over time but plenty are.

I imagine it’s quite tiring at the moment.

dv said:

“The deep state extends very deeply…We didn’t elect a president to defer to a bunch of health experts that we don’t know. And how do we know they’re even health experts?”
— Rush Limbaugh

The stupid…it burns.

Should I buy a jigsaw> Should we all buy jigsaws?

sarahs mum said:

Should I buy a jigsaw> Should we all buy jigsaws?

Oh hell no.

sarahs mum said:

Should I buy a jigsaw> Should we all buy jigsaws?

I own an electric jigsaw.

Michael V said:

I imagine it’s quite tiring at the moment.

A little… but keeping fit and healthy :)

You guys need to stay safe too

sarahs mum said:

Should I buy a jigsaw> Should we all buy jigsaws?

Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

But she was some kind of communist

communist monarchs what will they think of next, Amatuag Ahtrahddis or something

IDGI

Amatuag Ahtrahddis is Siddhartha Gautama backwards.

Spider Lily said:

Michael V said:

I imagine it’s quite tiring at the moment.

A little… but keeping fit and healthy :)

You guys need to stay safe too

That’s good.

:)

Ta. We’ve been in self-imposed self-isolation since early March. We take this stuff very, very seriously.

I descry al this encouragement to the panic buying of jigsaw puzzles.

btm said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

communist monarchs what will they think of next, Amatuag Ahtrahddis or something

IDGI

Amatuag Ahtrahddis is Siddhartha Gautama backwards.

Well above my pay grade.

captain_spalding said:

I descry al this encouragement to the panic buying of jigsaw puzzles.

decry

(pardon)

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/boeing-bailout-coronavirus-crisis-controversy-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

A lazy $17B loan for Boeing in the USA relief package.

I know people say that too much screen time is bad for kids but “screen” has allowed my boy to basically continue his schooling uninterrupted while we are in porridge. I don’t need him wasting time doing jigsaws.

sibeen said:

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/boeing-bailout-coronavirus-crisis-controversy-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

A lazy $17B loan for Boeing in the USA relief package.

I guess they’ll be making masks or ventilators or what-not. But its great to have friends in high places.

dv said:

I know people say that too much screen time is bad for kids but “screen” has allowed my boy to basically continue his schooling uninterrupted while we are in porridge. I don’t need him wasting time doing jigsaws.

That’s no’ how you make porridge!

sarahs mum said:

Should I buy a jigsaw> Should we all buy jigsaws?

There’s tons of free jigsaw puzzle apps… just sayin’.

dv said:

I know people say that too much screen time is bad for kids but “screen” has allowed my boy to basically continue his schooling uninterrupted while we are in porridge. I don’t need him wasting time doing jigsaws.

you aren’t in porridge you are doing porridge. you could be in stir

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

I know people say that too much screen time is bad for kids but “screen” has allowed my boy to basically continue his schooling uninterrupted while we are in porridge. I don’t need him wasting time doing jigsaws.

you aren’t in porridge you are doing porridge. you could be in stir

Well duh, otherwise it gets lumpy

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

I know people say that too much screen time is bad for kids but “screen” has allowed my boy to basically continue his schooling uninterrupted while we are in porridge. I don’t need him wasting time doing jigsaws.

you aren’t in porridge you are doing porridge. you could be in stir

Well duh, otherwise it gets lumpy

don’t be a cutie pie!

Suss CCP death toll

http://shanghaiist.com/2020/03/27/urns-in-wuhan-far-exceed-death-toll-raising-more-questions-about-chinas-tally/

captain_spalding said:

I descry al this encouragement to the panic buying of jigsaw puzzles.

mate, the smart money is on the Lego.

Australia’s Trialing a TB Vaccine Against COVID-19, And Health Workers Get It First

Australian researchers are fast-tracking large-scale human testing to see if a vaccine used for decades to prevent tuberculosis can protect health workers from COVID-19, they announced Friday.

The trial of the BCG vaccine will be conducted with 4,000 health workers in hospitals around Australia to determine if it can reduce COVID-19 symptoms, the researchers at the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute in Melbourne said.

“Although originally developed against tuberculosis, and still given to over 130 million babies annually for that purpose, BCG also boosts humans’ ‘frontline’ immunity, training it to respond to germs with greater intensity,” they said in a statement.

“We hope to see a reduction in the prevalence and severity of COVID-19 symptoms in healthcare workers receiving the BCG vaccination,” said lead researcher Nigel Curtis.

He said the 4,000 subjects would be enrolled in the trial within weeks under a fast-tracked process with the approval of state and federal health authorities. “The clock is definitely ticking,” he said.

Similar trials are being conducted in several other countries including the Netherlands, Germany and the United Kingdom.

“This trial will allow the vaccine’s effectiveness against COVID-19 symptoms to be properly tested, and may help save the lives of our heroic frontline healthcare workers,” said Kathryn North, director of the Murdoch Institute.

She said the hope was that improving people’s “innate” immunity against COVID-19 symptoms would buy time to develop a specific vaccine against the disease.

“These trials will allow the rapid advancement of the most promising candidates to clinical practice, giving us the most number of shots on goal against COVID-19 as possible,” she said.

https://www.sciencealert.com/australia-is-trialling-a-tb-vaccine-for-coronavirus-and-health-workers-get-it-first

Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

Should I buy a jigsaw> Should we all buy jigsaws?

There’s tons of free jigsaw puzzle apps… just sayin’.

jigsaws, jigsaw puzzles, same …

poikilotherm said:

Suss CCP death toll

http://shanghaiist.com/2020/03/27/urns-in-wuhan-far-exceed-death-toll-raising-more-questions-about-chinas-tally/

yeah it’s crazy to imagine that they have so many funerals, imagine what might happen if mixed in with those 3000 COVIDeaths they probably still had to deal with the normal background of 30000 per day

I bought one last week, but I have not even opened it yet. I’m going through my old DVDs, I found a dozen NG/ Jacques Cousteau films.

Michael V said:

Australia’s Trialing a TB Vaccine Against COVID-19, And Health Workers Get It First

“Although originally developed against tuberculosis, and still given to over 130 million babies annually for that purpose, BCG also boosts humans’ ‘frontline’ immunity, training it to respond to germs with greater intensity,” they said in a statement.

https://www.sciencealert.com/australia-is-trialling-a-tb-vaccine-for-coronavirus-and-health-workers-get-it-first

we … see

time to walk slowly or run quickly away from all those “experts” who tell us a lot of the damage is done by an overenthusiastic immune response then

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

I descry al this encouragement to the panic buying of jigsaw puzzles.

decry

(pardon)

But it could be a jigsaw puzzle led recovery.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

I descry al this encouragement to the panic buying of jigsaw puzzles.

decry

(pardon)

But it could be a jigsaw puzzle led recovery.

That reminds me, I still have solved the puzzle from last week’s New Scientist.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

decry

(pardon)

But it could be a jigsaw puzzle led recovery.

That reminds me, I still have solved the puzzle from last week’s New Scientist.

Do you often unsolve solved puzzles?

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

Suss CCP death toll

http://shanghaiist.com/2020/03/27/urns-in-wuhan-far-exceed-death-toll-raising-more-questions-about-chinas-tally/

yeah it’s crazy to imagine that they have so many funerals, imagine what might happen if mixed in with those 3000 COVIDeaths they probably still had to deal with the normal background of 30000 per day

fair

although their background is 30,000 per day? seems high.

Wonder how my council is going to close skate parks, playgrounds and outdoor gyms. There’s tons of them around here.

Divine Angel said:

Wonder how my council is going to close skate parks, playgrounds and outdoor gyms. There’s tons of them around here.

This should do it

Divine Angel said:

Wonder how my council is going to close skate parks, playgrounds and outdoor gyms. There’s tons of them around here.

I that shorts tons or imperial tons? :-P

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Wonder how my council is going to close skate parks, playgrounds and outdoor gyms. There’s tons of them around here.

I that shorts tons or imperial tons? :-P

Is… hoist with my own petard: again!

sarahs mum said:

Should I buy a jigsaw> Should we all buy jigsaws?

Hell no. Got better things to do than jigsaws. Hate jigsaws. Hate puzzles. Been there, done that, grew out of it at about 13 years of age. Perhaps I overdosed then.

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

Suss CCP death toll

http://shanghaiist.com/2020/03/27/urns-in-wuhan-far-exceed-death-toll-raising-more-questions-about-chinas-tally/

yeah it’s crazy to imagine that they have so many funerals, imagine what might happen if mixed in with those 3000 COVIDeaths they probably still had to deal with the normal background of 30000 per day

fair

although their background is 30,000 per day? seems high.

sorry that was all of China

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

But it could be a jigsaw puzzle led recovery.

That reminds me, I still have solved the puzzle from last week’s New Scientist.

Do you often unsolve solved puzzles?

Well I often discover that solutions were not.

But in this case just add an n’t.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Wonder how my council is going to close skate parks, playgrounds and outdoor gyms. There’s tons of them around here.

I that shorts tons or imperial tons? :-P

Is… hoist with my own petard: again!

better than being hoisted by your shorts.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Australia’s Trialing a TB Vaccine Against COVID-19, And Health Workers Get It First

“Although originally developed against tuberculosis, and still given to over 130 million babies annually for that purpose, BCG also boosts humans’ ‘frontline’ immunity, training it to respond to germs with greater intensity,” they said in a statement.

https://www.sciencealert.com/australia-is-trialling-a-tb-vaccine-for-coronavirus-and-health-workers-get-it-first

we … see

time to walk slowly or run quickly away from all those “experts” who tell us a lot of the damage is done by an overenthusiastic immune response then

I had BCG at high school in the 1970s.

This is a question on the ABC news website:

I am 27 years old and whilst not debilitating, do have a chronic illness. I was not sure from the press conference, do the recommendations strongly advise me to stay home, or does the advice only to those over 60 years of age with chronic illnesses?

-James

sibeen said:

This is a question on the ABC news website:

I am 27 years old and whilst not debilitating, do have a chronic illness. I was not sure from the press conference, do the recommendations strongly advise me to stay home, or does the advice only to those over 60 years of age with chronic illnesses?

-James

James seems to also be chronically dim.

Mr buffy didn’t have the BCG vax because he had a reaction to the Mantoux test, which meant he had antibodies to TB already circulating. He must have been in contact with a person with tuberculosis as a child – his mother ( a nurse) took in/looked after “fallen” girls until they had their babies. It was the 1960s. Mr buffy had a number of “housekeepers” over his early years.

buffy said:

Mr buffy didn’t have the BCG vax because he had a reaction to the Mantoux test, which meant he had antibodies to TB already circulating. He must have been in contact with a person with tuberculosis as a child – his mother ( a nurse) took in/looked after “fallen” girls until they had their babies. It was the 1960s. Mr buffy had a number of “housekeepers” over his early years.

I sense another story coming on…

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

This is a question on the ABC news website:

I am 27 years old and whilst not debilitating, do have a chronic illness. I was not sure from the press conference, do the recommendations strongly advise me to stay home, or does the advice only to those over 60 years of age with chronic illnesses?

-James

James seems to also be chronically dim.

probably all that time stuck indoors, lighting isn’t as good as open daylight, what is it, 10 times brighter out there in the Real World

Divine Angel said:

buffy said:

Mr buffy didn’t have the BCG vax because he had a reaction to the Mantoux test, which meant he had antibodies to TB already circulating. He must have been in contact with a person with tuberculosis as a child – his mother ( a nurse) took in/looked after “fallen” girls until they had their babies. It was the 1960s. Mr buffy had a number of “housekeepers” over his early years.

I sense another story coming on…

He spoke Dutch before he spoke English. But he has no Dutch now. He can hear someone across a room and know they are speaking Dutch, but he doesn’t know what they are saying.

(feel free to ask questions, if you want to gather some thoughts – but we’ll go over to Chat with it)

Coronavirus update: Take this seriously or outbreaks will be ‘very hard to control’, chief medical officer says

Gatherings in Australia will be limited to two people, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced.

Both jokers, however, have remained silent on the topic of having boot-camp-themed weddings and funerals at hairdressing schools.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-29/coronavirus-update-australia-covid19-border-restrictions/12100152

COVID-19 has had unexpected impacts on different countries: why for example has third-world Iran with a shockingly bad health system faired better than first world Italy and Spain? Did the Iranians go into complete lockdown earlier? I have seen very little reporting on Iran so perhaps they did.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/a-methanol-cure-for-coronavirus-is-killing-iranians-20200328-p54eto.html

Divine Angel said:

buffy said:

Mr buffy didn’t have the BCG vax because he had a reaction to the Mantoux test, which meant he had antibodies to TB already circulating. He must have been in contact with a person with tuberculosis as a child – his mother ( a nurse) took in/looked after “fallen” girls until they had their babies. It was the 1960s. Mr buffy had a number of “housekeepers” over his early years.

I sense another story coming on…

One of my mother’s friends discovered late in life (I think he was in his late 60s) that he’d been adopted, so did some investigation. He was born during WW2; his birth mother was 18 when he was conceived, and his father was a U.S. soldier stationed in Melbourne. They’d pledged to marry, but when her parents found out she was pregnant they sent her away to have the baby and made sure (I don’t know how) that the two would never see each other again. The soldier killed himself shortly after while on guard duty. The mother had the baby, but was allowed to spend a week with her son, then they took him away, telling her she’d never see him again. My mother’s friend found out who his biological mother was, and went to see her, discovering that he had a family he’d never known about.

One of my novels is based on his story, but I think it got overly sentimental.

How many deaths from Corona Virus, worldwide is predicted?

Witty Rejoinder said:

COVID-19 has had unexpected impacts on different countries: why for example has third-world Iran with a shockingly bad health system faired better than first world Italy and Spain? Did the Iranians go into complete lockdown earlier? I have seen very little reporting on Iran so perhaps they did.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/a-methanol-cure-for-coronavirus-is-killing-iranians-20200328-p54eto.html

Iran is still pretty high on the lists.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#symptoms-and-disease-progression-of-covid-19

Witty Rejoinder said:

COVID-19 has had unexpected impacts on different countries: why for example has third-world Iran with a shockingly bad health system faired better than first world Italy and Spain? Did the Iranians go into complete lockdown earlier? I have seen very little reporting on Iran so perhaps they did.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/a-methanol-cure-for-coronavirus-is-killing-iranians-20200328-p54eto.html

Might be that Iran and India have internal societal segregation’s anyway that slow transmission?

Tau.Neutrino said:

How many deaths from Corona Virus, worldwide is predicted?

No way of knowing as yet.

btm said:

Divine Angel said:

buffy said:

Mr buffy didn’t have the BCG vax because he had a reaction to the Mantoux test, which meant he had antibodies to TB already circulating. He must have been in contact with a person with tuberculosis as a child – his mother ( a nurse) took in/looked after “fallen” girls until they had their babies. It was the 1960s. Mr buffy had a number of “housekeepers” over his early years.

I sense another story coming on…

One of my mother’s friends discovered late in life (I think he was in his late 60s) that he’d been adopted, so did some investigation. He was born during WW2; his birth mother was 18 when he was conceived, and his father was a U.S. soldier stationed in Melbourne. They’d pledged to marry, but when her parents found out she was pregnant they sent her away to have the baby and made sure (I don’t know how) that the two would never see each other again. The soldier killed himself shortly after while on guard duty. The mother had the baby, but was allowed to spend a week with her son, then they took him away, telling her she’d never see him again. My mother’s friend found out who his biological mother was, and went to see her, discovering that he had a family he’d never known about.

One of my novels is based on his story, but I think it got overly sentimental.

I suspect Mr buffy’s Mum was so compassionate because she was (in her own words) a “bastard child”. Her birth certificate says “Soldier’s baby”. And she felt shamed for her whole life. I tried very hard to make her see that someone who became Nurse Educator at The Austin Hospital in Melbourne and had three nursing textbooks to her name (one of which was used for many, many years) was in no way a failure and her origins were immaterial.

(Now you are really going to want more details, aren’t you DA. I’ve just recalled. I think I’ve got her unpublished memoirs here still. I’ll talk to Mr buffy)

Don’t panic, plan: COVID-19 family survival ideas
https://phys.org/news/2020-03-dont-panic-covid-family-survival.html

He spent 520 days in space. Hear his tips for coping with isolation – CNN
https://newscollective.co.nz/he-spent-520-days-in-space-hear-his-tips-for-coping-with-isolation-cnn-2/

In space, at sea: quarantine advice from people who really understand isolation
https://www.zmescience.com/space/in-space-at-sea-quarantine-advice-from-people-who-really-understand-isolation/

Witty Rejoinder said:

why for example has third-world Iran with a shockingly bad health system faired better than first world Italy and Spain?

has it though

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

why for example has third-world Iran with a shockingly bad health system faired better than first world Italy and Spain?

has it though

The current figures suggest it has unless the Iranian regime has been suppressing information.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

why for example has third-world Iran with a shockingly bad health system faired better than first world Italy and Spain?

has it though

The current figures suggest it has unless the Iranian regime has been suppressing information.

get outta here only China does that kind of sh

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

has it though

The current figures suggest it has unless the Iranian regime has been suppressing information.

get outta here only China does that kind of sh

The Ayatollah and his cronies are not at ruthlessly efficient as the CCP. I’d be surprised that the regime was in any way capable of covering up the true stats.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

why for example has third-world Iran with a shockingly bad health system faired better than first world Italy and Spain?

has it though

The current figures suggest it has unless the Iranian regime has been suppressing information.

Hopkins reckons we have this situation there though

looks like they’ve done the linear (limited by testing ¿) thing for a bit and it’s up a bit again

USA looked under control for ages until they stopped hiding and popped up for a look

Perhaps Iranian age demographics are the key.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The current figures suggest it has unless the Iranian regime has been suppressing information.

get outta here only China does that kind of sh

The Ayatollah and his cronies are not at ruthlessly efficient as the CCP. I’d be surprised that the regime was in any way capable of covering up the true stats.

inconveniently, our newspapers really did cover the bushfires hey ¿

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

get outta here only China does that kind of sh

The Ayatollah and his cronies are not at ruthlessly efficient as the CCP. I’d be surprised that the regime was in any way capable of covering up the true stats.

inconveniently, our newspapers really did cover the bushfires hey ¿

Sometimes I have no idea what you’re on about.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Ayatollah and his cronies are not at ruthlessly efficient as the CCP. I’d be surprised that the regime was in any way capable of covering up the true stats.

inconveniently, our newspapers really did cover the bushfires hey ¿

Sometimes I have no idea what you’re on about.

no worries, all good

separate point, is it just us or anyone else feeling like now that the rules have been laid and everyone has been locked, we can just sit back, wait for the storm to hit, and enjoy the show until we can’t breathe and have to join the shitfestival that must be going on in some of those hospitals

7EB853054E0D4F4F706B

Divine Angel said:

Wonder how my council is going to close skate parks, playgrounds and outdoor gyms. There’s tons of them around here.

Well, on the Sunshine Coast, they dumped truckloads of sand onto the skate parks.

Witty Rejoinder said:

COVID-19 has had unexpected impacts on different countries: why for example has third-world Iran with a shockingly bad health system faired better than first world Italy and Spain? Did the Iranians go into complete lockdown earlier? I have seen very little reporting on Iran so perhaps they did.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/a-methanol-cure-for-coronavirus-is-killing-iranians-20200328-p54eto.html

Possibly because there are a lot more cruise ships passing through Venice and Barcelona than there are in Tehran.

Witty Rejoinder said:

COVID-19 has had unexpected impacts on different countries: why for example has third-world Iran with a shockingly bad health system faired better than first world Italy and Spain? Did the Iranians go into complete lockdown earlier? I have seen very little reporting on Iran so perhaps they did.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/a-methanol-cure-for-coronavirus-is-killing-iranians-20200328-p54eto.html

Most likely Iran is fudging the figures.

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

COVID-19 has had unexpected impacts on different countries: why for example has third-world Iran with a shockingly bad health system faired better than first world Italy and Spain? Did the Iranians go into complete lockdown earlier? I have seen very little reporting on Iran so perhaps they did.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/a-methanol-cure-for-coronavirus-is-killing-iranians-20200328-p54eto.html

Most likely Iran is fudging the figures.

Washing hands and face three times a day?

AwesomeO said:

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

COVID-19 has had unexpected impacts on different countries: why for example has third-world Iran with a shockingly bad health system faired better than first world Italy and Spain? Did the Iranians go into complete lockdown earlier? I have seen very little reporting on Iran so perhaps they did.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/a-methanol-cure-for-coronavirus-is-killing-iranians-20200328-p54eto.html

Most likely Iran is fudging the figures.

Washing hands and face three times a day?

licking shrines

SCIENCE said:

AwesomeO said:

Michael V said:

Most likely Iran is fudging the figures.

Washing hands and face three times a day?

licking shrines

arts!!!! MZL is licking shrines!!!

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

AwesomeO said:

Washing hands and face three times a day?

licking shrines

arts!!!! MZL is licking shrines!!!

NO licking during the outbreak !!!

A new COVID-19 test can return results in 5 minutes
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/28/21197944/coronavirus-test-fast-doctors-office-abbott-fda

How The Coronavirus Spreads Under Different Simulations Ranging From Lax Restrictions To Extreme Social Distancing And Early Testing
https://digg.com/video/grant-sanderson-coronavirus-scenarios

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

get outta here only China does that kind of sh

The Ayatollah and his cronies are not at ruthlessly efficient as the CCP. I’d be surprised that the regime was in any way capable of covering up the true stats.

inconveniently, our newspapers really did cover the bushfires hey ¿

The President is head of government in Iran, though the Ayatollah is the formal head of state and also the head of the armed forces.

Trump in January “We have it totally under control.”

Today There are more cases of COVID-19 in the US than in any other country in the world.

hmmm.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump in January “We have it totally under control.”

Today There are more cases of COVID-19 in the US than in any other country in the world.

hmmm.

that was back then this is now

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Ayatollah and his cronies are not at ruthlessly efficient as the CCP. I’d be surprised that the regime was in any way capable of covering up the true stats.

inconveniently, our newspapers really did cover the bushfires hey ¿

The President is head of government in Iran, though the Ayatollah is the formal head of state and also the head of the armed forces.

Going to be interesting to see if there is a new world order when the dust settles.
Until then there will be much speculation and as in most things a lot of it will be the wish fathering the thought.

16m ago 12:19
Swiss death toll rises by 235

The Swiss Covid-19 death toll has risen by 235 in a day to 257, Reuters report.

The number of confirmed cases has increased to 14,336 from 13,213, the Swiss health agency said.
===

That hit them.

sarahs mum said:

16m ago 12:19
Swiss death toll rises by 235

The Swiss Covid-19 death toll has risen by 235 in a day to 257, Reuters report.

The number of confirmed cases has increased to 14,336 from 13,213, the Swiss health agency said.
===

That hit them.

Smugness is no protection against a virus.

sarahs mum said:

16m ago 12:19
Swiss death toll rises by 235

The Swiss Covid-19 death toll has risen by 235 in a day to 257, Reuters report.

The number of confirmed cases has increased to 14,336 from 13,213, the Swiss health agency said.
===

That hit them.

Something definitely screwy with those figures.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/switzerland/

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump in January “We have it totally under control.”

Today There are more cases of COVID-19 in the US than in any other country in the world.

hmmm.

that was back then this is now

Yeah, they’ve reprogrammed the chip in his head since then.

Software’s still full of bug and glitches, but they’re working on it.

sarahs mum said:

16m ago 12:19
Swiss death toll rises by 235

The Swiss Covid-19 death toll has risen by 235 in a day to 257, Reuters report.

The number of confirmed cases has increased to 14,336 from 13,213, the Swiss health agency said.
===

That hit them.

Are Gnomes OK.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

16m ago 12:19
Swiss death toll rises by 235

The Swiss Covid-19 death toll has risen by 235 in a day to 257, Reuters report.

The number of confirmed cases has increased to 14,336 from 13,213, the Swiss health agency said.
===

That hit them.

Something definitely screwy with those figures.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/switzerland/

lets shake fists at the guardian again.

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

16m ago 12:19
Swiss death toll rises by 235

The Swiss Covid-19 death toll has risen by 235 in a day to 257, Reuters report.

The number of confirmed cases has increased to 14,336 from 13,213, the Swiss health agency said.
===

That hit them.

Are Gnomes OK.

They had 18 new deaths. Someone cannot read figures.

They say a lot of the spread is travel related. I reckon the US is in for real trouble.

Of the 4014 flights being tracked worldwide, (normally 12-14,000) 1265 of them are over continental US.

sarahs mum said:

16m ago 12:19
Swiss death toll rises by 235

The Swiss Covid-19 death toll has risen by 235 in a day to 257, Reuters report.

The number of confirmed cases has increased to 14,336 from 13,213, the Swiss health agency said.
===

That hit them.

What?

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump in January “We have it totally under control.”

Today There are more cases of COVID-19 in the US than in any other country in the world.

hmmm.

that was back then this is now

Yeah, they’ve reprogrammed the chip in his head since then.

Software’s still full of bug and glitches, but they’re working on it.

LOL

Woodie said:

They say a lot of the spread is travel related. I reckon the US is in for real trouble.

Of the 4014 flights being tracked worldwide, (normally 12-14,000) 1265 of them are over continental US.

Lots people are going to die in Florida.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

16m ago 12:19
Swiss death toll rises by 235

The Swiss Covid-19 death toll has risen by 235 in a day to 257, Reuters report.

The number of confirmed cases has increased to 14,336 from 13,213, the Swiss health agency said.
===

That hit them.

Something definitely screwy with those figures.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/switzerland/

lets shake fists at the guardian again.

Oh, I do that every day :)

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

16m ago 12:19
Swiss death toll rises by 235

The Swiss Covid-19 death toll has risen by 235 in a day to 257, Reuters report.

The number of confirmed cases has increased to 14,336 from 13,213, the Swiss health agency said.
===

That hit them.

Something definitely screwy with those figures.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/switzerland/

lets shake fists at the guardian again.

The guardian figures seem to gel with worldometer

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

16m ago 12:19
Swiss death toll rises by 235

The Swiss Covid-19 death toll has risen by 235 in a day to 257, Reuters report.

The number of confirmed cases has increased to 14,336 from 13,213, the Swiss health agency said.
===

That hit them.

What?

oh I see the problem lol

Woodie said:

They say a lot of the spread is travel related. I reckon the US is in for real trouble.

Of the 4014 flights being tracked worldwide, (normally 12-14,000) 1265 of them are over continental US.

Matches their COVID-19 distribution quite well.

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

They say a lot of the spread is travel related. I reckon the US is in for real trouble.

Of the 4014 flights being tracked worldwide, (normally 12-14,000) 1265 of them are over continental US.

Matches their COVID-19 distribution quite well.

kind of makes sense

for all the “exponential growth” bs, we saw what we saw in Wuhan — it turned out to scale as slightly-super-quadratic

without air travel seeding distant clusters, it’s very difficult to get exponential spread

(also used to play strategy games which had exactly this effect)

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

They say a lot of the spread is travel related. I reckon the US is in for real trouble.

Of the 4014 flights being tracked worldwide, (normally 12-14,000) 1265 of them are over continental US.

Matches their COVID-19 distribution quite well.

kind of makes sense

for all the “exponential growth” bs, we saw what we saw in Wuhan — it turned out to scale as slightly-super-quadratic

without air travel seeding distant clusters, it’s very difficult to get exponential spread

(also used to play strategy games which had exactly this effect)

without air travel seeding distant clusters, it’s very difficult to get exponential spread

Or without other interventions, such as quarantining, and the stuff we are (hopefully) all doing now, etc.

The thing is, in a given population, with a given set of habits, we expect a virus to spread exponentially*. When the curve breaks away from that, it’s because of change of behaviour.

*At least, until some point of local or general saturation, but we’re not near a saturation point, happily.

dv said:

The thing is, in a given population, with a given set of habits, we expect a virus to spread exponentially*. When the curve breaks away from that, it’s because of change of behaviour.

*At least, until some point of local or general saturation, but we’re not near a saturation point, happily.

only in scale free networks

dv said:

The thing is, in a given population, with a given set of habits, we expect a virus to spread exponentially*. When the curve breaks away from that, it’s because of change of behaviour.

*At least, until some point of local or general saturation, but we’re not near a saturation point, happily.

Yes.

of which airline networks, apparently, are an example …

SCIENCE said:

of which airline networks, apparently, are an example …

I suppose whether my point was apt depends on how we handle my phrase “general or local “

Still, all is not lost in the UK

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/28/medical-fetish-site-donates-entire-stock-scrubs-nhs-12469788/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR32to8CDeiznZVoe1JcjWoNrjsStvNjU0pKpwgspRiB0a1qfQbCv7VkL_E

A medical fetish company says it has donated its entire stock of disposable scrubs to the NHS.

MedFet UK did it after being contacted by procurement representatives struggling to find the right equipment amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Writing about it on Twitter, the company said: ‘Today we donated our entire stock of disposable scrubs to an NHS hospital. It was just a few sets, because we don’t carry large stocks, but they were desperate, so we sent them free of charge.

‘We have been contacted this week by representatives of NHS procurement all over the country, trying to source basic protective equipment and clothing.”

Graphical comparison of the SK and USA outbreaks

https://www.facebook.com/908009612563863/posts/3535281656503299/?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e

Frabjous day, Coles has expanded their delivery service to those who are under mandatory quarantine!

How are the supermarkets going in terms of fruit n veg shortage?

Oh cripes, I just figured out a way to extract mortality rate from the data for individual counties.

We had before, a mortality rate for China (using whole world early statistics) of 4.6% to 4.8%.

I’ve just calculated it for Italy – 20% mortality rate. That’s horrible !
Using a different method the mortality rate comes out even higher – 40%, but that’s not reliable because it’s not statistically stationary.

There’s an average of a 5 day timelag between diagnosis and death.

dv said:

Frabjous day, Coles has expanded their delivery service to those who are under mandatory quarantine!

How are the supermarkets going in terms of fruit n veg shortage?

Only onions, pumpkin and potatoes seem to be panic bought here in the styx, plenty of everything else re veg.

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

Frabjous day, Coles has expanded their delivery service to those who are under mandatory quarantine!

How are the supermarkets going in terms of fruit n veg shortage?

Only onions, pumpkin and potatoes seem to be panic bought here in the styx, plenty of everything else re veg.

Country stores seem to be short of stuff that has to be shipped in like TP and Sugar. Most veg and fruit seems to be well stocked.

mollwollfumble said:

Oh cripes, I just figured out a way to extract mortality rate from the data for individual counties.

We had before, a mortality rate for China (using whole world early statistics) of 4.6% to 4.8%.

I’ve just calculated it for Italy – 20% mortality rate. That’s horrible !
Using a different method the mortality rate comes out even higher – 40%, but that’s not reliable because it’s not statistically stationary.

There’s an average of a 5 day timelag between diagnosis and death.

Oops, that mortality from active cases is wrong. Not because active cases doesn’t cause deaths, but because it doesn’t do it with a consistent time interval for cumulative deaths.

OK, let’s go more accurate. Each new coronavirus case is resolved either as a death after time dt1 or as a recovery after time dt1+dt2. Because there are more recoveries than deaths, it is possible to place and accurate upper limit on dt1+dt2, even if there’s a change in virus mortality part way through the data stream. Let’s do this.

For early data from Italy, up to 5 Mar, d1+d2 < 8 days. Beyond that there’s a problem, because patients are just not recovering. For example by 28 Mar all we can say is that d1+d2 < 20 days.

There’s a looser upper limit on d1, because more patients recover than die. Too loose to be of use.

This needs an optimisation to do properly.

But I can initially set firm upper and lower limits on mortality using the approximations d1=0 (lower limit) and d2=0 (upper limit).

Note that the upper limit on mortality of 26% on the 5 Mar does not mean that that’s an upper limit for all time, because the virus could have mutated since then.

We have a firm accurate mortality rate for China, because (almost) all cases are closed. It’s 4.2%

mollwollfumble said:

We have a firm accurate mortality rate for China, because (almost) all cases are closed. It’s 4.2%

Wouldn’t the accuracy depend on what proportion of the cases were recorded, and what proportion of the deaths due to the virus were recorded as such?

I strongly suspect there is a huge variation in these factors.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

We have a firm accurate mortality rate for China, because (almost) all cases are closed. It’s 4.2%

Wouldn’t the accuracy depend on what proportion of the cases were recorded, and what proportion of the deaths due to the virus were recorded as such?

I strongly suspect there is a huge variation in these factors.

The Chinese government, being the ultimate bureaucrats since before the time of Confucius, would be more accurate in such matters than, say, Italy.

In addition, it’s possible to check the accuracy of the Chinese government reports by statistical methods. The data from China is completely accurate.

Italy on the other hand … Aaagh!

mollwollfumble said:

In addition, it’s possible to check the accuracy of the Chinese government reports by statistical methods. The data from China is completely accurate.

Italy on the other hand … Aaagh!

Hmmm.

I very much doubt that statistical methods will pick up all inaccuracies in the data, in fact I’m bloody sure they won’t.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-30/coronavirus-toilet-paper-shortage-leads-to-sewer-blockages/12100036

Didn’t take long.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-30/coronavirus-toilet-paper-shortage-leads-to-sewer-blockages/12100036

Didn’t take long.

a nice fine for those that have called a plumber to fix a blockage because they used the wrong stuff.

Now, there is some research going on here in Australia, reported in the past couple of days, on using the BCG vaccination against COVID 19. We vaccinated pretty much all school children between the 1950s and the mid 1980s with BCG. Not all countries did this. Does this mean we may have a cohort who may have some protection? Maybe it helps to explain our relatively low death rates?

>>In Australia, the broad-based BCG vaccination program originated at a time when the epidemiology of TB was quite different. Initially in 1948, vaccination targeted health care workers, Aboriginal people and close contacts of active cases, especially children. In the 1950s the program was expanded to include all Australian school children except those from New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory. This policy was discontinued in the mid-1980s (1991 in the Northern Territory) in favour of a more selective approach. The change occurred because of the low prevalence of TB in our community and concerns about the balance between the benefits and the risks. <<

Ref: https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-cdi3701h.htm

Note also that NSW didn’t have the school vax program. From that same piece, Sweden had a universal program. USA and the Netherlands have never had one. How do they compare?

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

Frabjous day, Coles has expanded their delivery service to those who are under mandatory quarantine!

How are the supermarkets going in terms of fruit n veg shortage?

Only onions, pumpkin and potatoes seem to be panic bought here in the styx, plenty of everything else re veg.

Country stores seem to be short of stuff that has to be shipped in like TP and Sugar. Most veg and fruit seems to be well stocked.

Cheers, poik and rough

So this is the second time in a short while that Don has cracked the shits at PBS’s Yamiche Alcindor for asking a straightforward question. He’s really taken a shine to her.

Trump lashes out at PBS NewsHour correspondent Yamiche Alcindor when asked about his statement on Sean Hannity’s show that some governors don’t need the equipment they’re requesting.

“Why don’t you people ask … why don’t you act a little more positive? It’s always trying to getcha’. Getcha’, getcha’. That’s why you used to work for the Times and now you work for somebody else. Look, let me tell you something: Be nice. Don’t be threatening. Be nice.”

dv said:

So this is the second time in a short while that Don has cracked the shits at PBS’s Yamiche Alcindor for asking a straightforward question. He’s really taken a shine to her.

Trump lashes out at PBS NewsHour correspondent Yamiche Alcindor when asked about his statement on Sean Hannity’s show that some governors don’t need the equipment they’re requesting.

“Why don’t you people ask … why don’t you act a little more positive? It’s always trying to getcha’. Getcha’, getcha’. That’s why you used to work for the Times and now you work for somebody else. Look, let me tell you something: Be nice. Don’t be threatening. Be nice.”

Lame attempt to wriggle out of it.

buffy said:

Now, there is some research going on here in Australia, reported in the past couple of days, on using the BCG vaccination against COVID 19. We vaccinated pretty much all school children between the 1950s and the mid 1980s with BCG. Not all countries did this. Does this mean we may have a cohort who may have some protection? Maybe it helps to explain our relatively low death rates?

>>In Australia, the broad-based BCG vaccination program originated at a time when the epidemiology of TB was quite different. Initially in 1948, vaccination targeted health care workers, Aboriginal people and close contacts of active cases, especially children. In the 1950s the program was expanded to include all Australian school children except those from New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory. This policy was discontinued in the mid-1980s (1991 in the Northern Territory) in favour of a more selective approach. The change occurred because of the low prevalence of TB in our community and concerns about the balance between the benefits and the risks. <<

Ref: https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-cdi3701h.htm

Note also that NSW didn’t have the school vax program. From that same piece, Sweden had a universal program. USA and the Netherlands have never had one. How do they compare?

I never had the TB vaccine, because I went to school in NSW.

Sweden has (a few) less cases than Australia, but far more deaths. I don’t think now is the right time to go get infected to test your hypothesis.

Here’s the most infected countries (includes USA and Netherands):

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Now, there is some research going on here in Australia, reported in the past couple of days, on using the BCG vaccination against COVID 19. We vaccinated pretty much all school children between the 1950s and the mid 1980s with BCG. Not all countries did this. Does this mean we may have a cohort who may have some protection? Maybe it helps to explain our relatively low death rates?

>>In Australia, the broad-based BCG vaccination program originated at a time when the epidemiology of TB was quite different. Initially in 1948, vaccination targeted health care workers, Aboriginal people and close contacts of active cases, especially children. In the 1950s the program was expanded to include all Australian school children except those from New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory. This policy was discontinued in the mid-1980s (1991 in the Northern Territory) in favour of a more selective approach. The change occurred because of the low prevalence of TB in our community and concerns about the balance between the benefits and the risks. <<

Ref: https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-cdi3701h.htm

Note also that NSW didn’t have the school vax program. From that same piece, Sweden had a universal program. USA and the Netherlands have never had one. How do they compare?

I never had the TB vaccine, because I went to school in NSW.

Sweden has (a few) less cases than Australia, but far more deaths. I don’t think now is the right time to go get infected to test your hypothesis.

Here’s the most infected countries (includes USA and Netherands):

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I also attended school in NSW. Don’t recall a TB vaccine. I did contract TB of atypical nature but TB all the same.

Dr Norman Swan tested for COVID19
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-30/abc-medical-expert-dr-norman-swan-tested-for-coronavirus/12102206

A 108-year-old woman who survived the 1918 Spanish flu is thought to have become the oldest victim of coronavirus in the UK.

Hilda Churchill died in a Salford care home on Saturday, hours after testing positive for Covid-19 and just eight days before her 109th birthday

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/29/spanish-flu-survivor-dies-from-coronavirus-aged-108

sarahs mum said:

A 108-year-old woman who survived the 1918 Spanish flu is thought to have become the oldest victim of coronavirus in the UK.

Hilda Churchill died in a Salford care home on Saturday, hours after testing positive for Covid-19 and just eight days before her 109th birthday

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/29/spanish-flu-survivor-dies-from-coronavirus-aged-108

:(

dv said:

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

Only onions, pumpkin and potatoes seem to be panic bought here in the styx, plenty of everything else re veg.

Country stores seem to be short of stuff that has to be shipped in like TP and Sugar. Most veg and fruit seems to be well stocked.

Cheers, poik and rough

The IGA in Stanthorpe didn’t have toilet paper but on that shelf they had flushable Wipes for $9 a packet.
I wasn’t going to pay that and I don’t even know what a Wipe is anyway.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

We have a firm accurate mortality rate for China, because (almost) all cases are closed. It’s 4.2%

Wouldn’t the accuracy depend on what proportion of the cases were recorded, and what proportion of the deaths due to the virus were recorded as such?

I strongly suspect there is a huge variation in these factors.

probably assume the mortality figures become more accurate as the curve flattens and perhaps goes slightly negative, maybe, and the level of certainty extracted from the stats keeps improving as that trend persists.

the subclinical and otherwise unknown infections, recoveries and deaths etc, along with known cases, eventually resolve in the broader figures, are captures so, indirectly

More shops with signs on the doors or windows saying closed for the foreseeable future.
The buttons you press to cross the road have been deactivated and have stickers on the poles saying so (they are automatic now) and a man was washing down the Australia Post letter boxes

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

We have a firm accurate mortality rate for China, because (almost) all cases are closed. It’s 4.2%

Wouldn’t the accuracy depend on what proportion of the cases were recorded, and what proportion of the deaths due to the virus were recorded as such?

I strongly suspect there is a huge variation in these factors.

probably assume the mortality figures become more accurate as the curve flattens and perhaps goes slightly negative, maybe, and the level of certainty extracted from the stats keeps improving as that trend persists.

the subclinical and otherwise unknown infections, recoveries and deaths etc, along with known cases, eventually resolve in the broader figures, are captures so, indirectly

captured so

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Now, there is some research going on here in Australia, reported in the past couple of days, on using the BCG vaccination against COVID 19. We vaccinated pretty much all school children between the 1950s and the mid 1980s with BCG. Not all countries did this. Does this mean we may have a cohort who may have some protection? Maybe it helps to explain our relatively low death rates?

>>In Australia, the broad-based BCG vaccination program originated at a time when the epidemiology of TB was quite different. Initially in 1948, vaccination targeted health care workers, Aboriginal people and close contacts of active cases, especially children. In the 1950s the program was expanded to include all Australian school children except those from New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory. This policy was discontinued in the mid-1980s (1991 in the Northern Territory) in favour of a more selective approach. The change occurred because of the low prevalence of TB in our community and concerns about the balance between the benefits and the risks. <<

Ref: https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-cdi3701h.htm

Note also that NSW didn’t have the school vax program. From that same piece, Sweden had a universal program. USA and the Netherlands have never had one. How do they compare?

I never had the TB vaccine, because I went to school in NSW.

Sweden has (a few) less cases than Australia, but far more deaths. I don’t think now is the right time to go get infected to test your hypothesis.

Here’s the most infected countries (includes USA and Netherands):

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Not aiming to get infected. Just drawing some threads together.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Country stores seem to be short of stuff that has to be shipped in like TP and Sugar. Most veg and fruit seems to be well stocked.

Cheers, poik and rough

The IGA in Stanthorpe didn’t have toilet paper but on that shelf they had flushable Wipes for $9 a packet.
I wasn’t going to pay that and I don’t even know what a Wipe is anyway.

it’s a transition from one scene to the next

don’t worry all we’re about to leave home to mingle with some people and chat and watch TV and sit in the common area eating, not work, not buying essentials, not pretending to teach a school class that isn’t there

SCIENCE said:

don’t worry all we’re about to leave home to mingle with some people and chat and watch TV and sit in the common area eating, not work, not buying essentials, not pretending to teach a school class that isn’t there

Great! I’m an astronaut and a ballet dancer.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

don’t worry all we’re about to leave home to mingle with some people and chat and watch TV and sit in the common area eating, not work, not buying essentials, not pretending to teach a school class that isn’t there

Great! I’m an astronaut and a ballet dancer.

They’re both essential.

Alan Merrill, co-writer and original singer of I Love Rock and Roll, has died at the age of 69 from COVID-19.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/9345880/alan-merrill-dead-coronavirus

New Global infections as reported on worldometer had a major reduction on Sunday. There was an increase of 66761 the previous day, and only 58819 tpday.

The same can be said for deaths. There were 3518 deaths on Saturday, 3105 on Sunday.

I’m going to go ahead and assume that this is a reporting or accounting artefact. I thought it might be a Sunday thing but there was no such reversal last Sunday. If this trend continues over the next couple of days then we’ll have reason to think it is “real”.

The declines was right across the board, in all the countries that were previously experiencing increased death counts and new infections every day: USA, Italy, Spain, Germany, France, UK, Switzerland, Belgium, Austria, Canada. Call me a pessimist but the uniformity of the reversal just makes me more inclined to think this might be some kind of recording anomaly.

dv said:

New Global infections as reported on worldometer had a major reduction on Sunday. There was an increase of 66761 the previous day, and only 58819 tpday.

The same can be said for deaths. There were 3518 deaths on Saturday, 3105 on Sunday.

I’m going to go ahead and assume that this is a reporting or accounting artefact. I thought it might be a Sunday thing but there was no such reversal last Sunday. If this trend continues over the next couple of days then we’ll have reason to think it is “real”.

The declines was right across the board, in all the countries that were previously experiencing increased death counts and new infections every day: USA, Italy, Spain, Germany, France, UK, Switzerland, Belgium, Austria, Canada. Call me a pessimist but the uniformity of the reversal just makes me more inclined to think this might be some kind of recording anomaly.

could be god stepping in for a change and doing the right thing. just sayin’.

dv said:

New Global infections as reported on worldometer had a major reduction on Sunday. There was an increase of 66761 the previous day, and only 58819 tpday.

The same can be said for deaths. There were 3518 deaths on Saturday, 3105 on Sunday.

I’m going to go ahead and assume that this is a reporting or accounting artefact. I thought it might be a Sunday thing but there was no such reversal last Sunday. If this trend continues over the next couple of days then we’ll have reason to think it is “real”.

The declines was right across the board, in all the countries that were previously experiencing increased death counts and new infections every day: USA, Italy, Spain, Germany, France, UK, Switzerland, Belgium, Austria, Canada. Call me a pessimist but the uniformity of the reversal just makes me more inclined to think this might be some kind of recording anomaly.

21s ago 03:43 Tokyo record biggest daily increase in cases Justin McCurry

Justin McCurry

Tokyo recorded its biggest daily increase in Covid-19 cases on Sunday, as authorities identified large infection clusters in and around the capital.

Sigh. Glad we went yesterday.

Divine Angel said:

Sigh. Glad we went yesterday.

what’s an MBX track?

or is it just a misspelling of BMX?

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

Sigh. Glad we went yesterday.

what’s an MBX track?

or is it just a misspelling of BMX?

I think it’s a typo.

Mini Me and I went for a walk to the dog park and playground this morning. Both were still operational then, with people using both. I wonder if Fairy Way and Elf Forest are also closed? They’re not council initiatives but they are a public walkway.

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

Sigh. Glad we went yesterday.

what’s an MBX track?

or is it just a misspelling of BMX?

They’ve updated the post: parks are not closed, just playgrounds etc within. And they fixed the BMX typo.

Divine Angel said:

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

Sigh. Glad we went yesterday.

what’s an MBX track?

or is it just a misspelling of BMX?

They’ve updated the post: parks are not closed, just playgrounds etc within. And they fixed the BMX typo.

sits back down and takes a deep breath

At least I’m not so old that there has been a whole new pastime or sport invented called MBX of which I was unaware.

Divine Angel said:

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

Sigh. Glad we went yesterday.

what’s an MBX track?

or is it just a misspelling of BMX?

They’ve updated the post: parks are not closed, just playgrounds etc within. And they fixed the BMX typo.

Ah, good.