Is it possible to come up with a definition of small, medium and large dogs ? In such a way that you can come up with a list of breeds or a written definition in a lease contract. Say it was a smallish back yard and only suitable for a small dog but not a large dog.

Or is it just too hard?

Weight…

furious said:

Weight…

Weight… What?

Michael V said:

furious said:

Weight…

Weight… What?

Well, if they can classify boxers by weight, small, medium, large, welter (whatever that is) surely they can do the same with dogs…

furious said:

Michael V said:

furious said:

Weight…

Weight… What?

Well, if they can classify boxers by weight, small, medium, large, welter (whatever that is) surely they can do the same with dogs…

e-e. Got you a beauty.

Was a joke.

(Wait… what?)

Michael V said:

furious said:

Michael V said:

Weight… What?

Well, if they can classify boxers by weight, small, medium, large, welter (whatever that is) surely they can do the same with dogs…

e-e. Got you a beauty.

Was a joke.

(Wait… what?)

Well, I guess technically, it is mass that should be used…

party_pants said:

Is it possible to come up with a definition of small, medium and large dogs ? In such a way that you can come up with a list of breeds or a written definition in a lease contract. Say it was a smallish back yard and only suitable for a small dog but not a large dog.

Or is it just too hard?

I remember the vet weighing Poppy the springing spaniel. ‘Twenty kilos. In all the years I have been doing this that’s the first average dog.’

party_pants said:

Is it possible to come up with a definition of small, medium and large dogs ? In such a way that you can come up with a list of breeds or a written definition in a lease contract. Say it was a smallish back yard and only suitable for a small dog but not a large dog.

Or is it just too hard?

It’s probably best not to. Just tell the breed’s mean height and weight.

dv said:

party_pants said:

Is it possible to come up with a definition of small, medium and large dogs ? In such a way that you can come up with a list of breeds or a written definition in a lease contract. Say it was a smallish back yard and only suitable for a small dog but not a large dog.

Or is it just too hard?

It’s probably best not to. Just tell the breed’s mean height and weight.

what about stdev or does that not matter

furious said:

Weight…

slaps head

That might be much easier. Weight, and possibly a max height at the shoulder.

and let’s not forget volume

SCIENCE said:

and let’s not forget volume

No. Let’s forget that. Too hard to calculate.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

and let’s not forget volume

No. Let’s forget that. Too hard to calculate.

stick it in a bucket of water, i mean we knew this 2000 years ago, one thing the ancients did know.

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

and let’s not forget volume

No. Let’s forget that. Too hard to calculate.

stick it in a bucket of water, i mean we knew this 2000 years ago, one thing the ancients did know.

It is too much hassle, and probably inaccurate if the dog doesn’t keep still. I guess we could 3D scan it and use software to calculate the volume, but once again too much bother and the dog might not hold still long enough. Weight and height at the shoulder would suffice.

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

No. Let’s forget that. Too hard to calculate.

stick it in a bucket of water, i mean we knew this 2000 years ago, one thing the ancients did know.

It is too much hassle, and probably inaccurate if the dog doesn’t keep still. I guess we could 3D scan it and use software to calculate the volume, but once again too much bother and the dog might not hold still long enough. Weight and height at the shoulder would suffice.

the dog doesn’t have to be alive. we will need some standard bedside which other dogs can be measured. freeze dry one of each.

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

No. Let’s forget that. Too hard to calculate.

stick it in a bucket of water, i mean we knew this 2000 years ago, one thing the ancients did know.

It is too much hassle, and probably inaccurate if the dog doesn’t keep still. I guess we could 3D scan it and use software to calculate the volume, but once again too much bother and the dog might not hold still long enough. Weight and height at the shoulder would suffice.

Done.

Problemo solvered.

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

stick it in a bucket of water, i mean we knew this 2000 years ago, one thing the ancients did know.

It is too much hassle, and probably inaccurate if the dog doesn’t keep still. I guess we could 3D scan it and use software to calculate the volume, but once again too much bother and the dog might not hold still long enough. Weight and height at the shoulder would suffice.

the dog doesn’t have to be alive. we will need some standard bedside which other dogs can be measured. freeze dry one of each.

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ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

stick it in a bucket of water, i mean we knew this 2000 years ago, one thing the ancients did know.

It is too much hassle, and probably inaccurate if the dog doesn’t keep still. I guess we could 3D scan it and use software to calculate the volume, but once again too much bother and the dog might not hold still long enough. Weight and height at the shoulder would suffice.

the dog doesn’t have to be alive. we will need some standard bedside which other dogs can be measured. freeze dry one of each.

I don’t know of many people who want to live with a dead dog.

Though the easiest definition for the purpose of rental is: do you have a dog? Yes/no

For mine, if yes? No rental for you…

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

It is too much hassle, and probably inaccurate if the dog doesn’t keep still. I guess we could 3D scan it and use software to calculate the volume, but once again too much bother and the dog might not hold still long enough. Weight and height at the shoulder would suffice.

the dog doesn’t have to be alive. we will need some standard bedside which other dogs can be measured. freeze dry one of each.

I don’t know of many people who want to live with a dead dog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDhGPAcoN-o

furious said:

Though the easiest definition for the purpose of rental is: do you have a dog? Yes/no

For mine, if yes? No rental for you…

I’m trying to come up with something more generous. You can have a small – medium dog, but not a large dog. Companion animals are important to some people. A companion dog, but not a guard dog.

party_pants said:

furious said:

Though the easiest definition for the purpose of rental is: do you have a dog? Yes/no

For mine, if yes? No rental for you…

I’m trying to come up with something more generous. You can have a small – medium dog, but not a large dog. Companion animals are important to some people. A companion dog, but not a guard dog.

Go wild,they can’t kick you out for six months now anyway…

dv said:

party_pants said:

Is it possible to come up with a definition of small, medium and large dogs ? In such a way that you can come up with a list of breeds or a written definition in a lease contract. Say it was a smallish back yard and only suitable for a small dog but not a large dog.

Or is it just too hard?

It’s probably best not to. Just tell the breed’s mean height and weight.

What if the dog is a bitzer? The vet classifies Jellybean as wolfhound x. She’s 22 kgs (and clearly a terrier, but whatever).

furious said:

Though the easiest definition for the purpose of rental is: do you have a dog? Yes/no

For mine, if yes? No rental for you…

Meanie! IME kids do more damage to the house than a dog does. And if a dog digs up the yard, a hole can be filled in.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

Is it possible to come up with a definition of small, medium and large dogs ? In such a way that you can come up with a list of breeds or a written definition in a lease contract. Say it was a smallish back yard and only suitable for a small dog but not a large dog.

Or is it just too hard?

It’s probably best not to. Just tell the breed’s mean height and weight.

What if the dog is a bitzer? The vet classifies Jellybean as wolfhound x. She’s 22 kgs (and clearly a terrier, but whatever).

Then just say the height and weight of the dog.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

Is it possible to come up with a definition of small, medium and large dogs ? In such a way that you can come up with a list of breeds or a written definition in a lease contract. Say it was a smallish back yard and only suitable for a small dog but not a large dog.

Or is it just too hard?

It’s probably best not to. Just tell the breed’s mean height and weight.

What if the dog is a bitzer? The vet classifies Jellybean as wolfhound x. She’s 22 kgs (and clearly a terrier, but whatever).

How tall is the ‘beanie at the shoulder?

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

It’s probably best not to. Just tell the breed’s mean height and weight.

What if the dog is a bitzer? The vet classifies Jellybean as wolfhound x. She’s 22 kgs (and clearly a terrier, but whatever).

How tall is the ‘beanie at the shoulder?

I’ll measure her in the daylight. She’s currently asleep under our bed. Standing on her hind legs she can reach my boobs, does that help?

Divine Angel said:

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

What if the dog is a bitzer? The vet classifies Jellybean as wolfhound x. She’s 22 kgs (and clearly a terrier, but whatever).

How tall is the ‘beanie at the shoulder?

I’ll measure her in the daylight. She’s currently asleep under our bed. Standing on her hind legs she can reach my boobs, does that help?

I’ll wait for the scientific approach tomorrow.

.. I know not how big your boobs are nor how far they hang down … and too afraid to ask :)

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Is it possible to come up with a definition of small, medium and large dogs ? In such a way that you can come up with a list of breeds or a written definition in a lease contract. Say it was a smallish back yard and only suitable for a small dog but not a large dog.

Or is it just too hard?

I remember the vet weighing Poppy the springing spaniel. ‘Twenty kilos. In all the years I have been doing this that’s the first average dog.’

Good question. Good answer.

I wonder if anyone ever bothered to weigh (or measure shoulder height of) a large number of dogs to look for statistical clumpings. Shoulder height would be a better measure of small, medium and large.

Wolf shoulder heights in one paper from 1941 are, in cm:
84, 80, 72, 57.5, 63, 63.5

Shoulder heights of German Shepherd Dogs measured in Moscow in 1931 are, in cm:
62.7±0.6 cm, with males slightly larger than females, with a total range of 48 to 73 cm.

mollwollfumble said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Is it possible to come up with a definition of small, medium and large dogs ? In such a way that you can come up with a list of breeds or a written definition in a lease contract. Say it was a smallish back yard and only suitable for a small dog but not a large dog.

Or is it just too hard?

I remember the vet weighing Poppy the springing spaniel. ‘Twenty kilos. In all the years I have been doing this that’s the first average dog.’

Good question. Good answer.

I wonder if anyone ever bothered to weigh (or measure shoulder height of) a large number of dogs to look for statistical clumpings. Shoulder height would be a better measure of small, medium and large.

Wolf shoulder heights in one paper from 1941 are, in cm:
84, 80, 72, 57.5, 63, 63.5

Shoulder heights of German Shepherd Dogs measured in Moscow in 1931 are, in cm:
62.7±0.6 cm, with males slightly larger than females, with a total range of 48 to 73 cm.

There is this website, if the dog is of a registered breed.
https://www.entirelypets.com/dog-breed-guide.html

A small dog breed has a height typically less than 12 or 13 inches. eg. all miniature breeds.
Next step up in size seems to be 17 or 18 inches maximum. eg. Beagle.
Next step up in size seems be be a maximum of 25 or 26 inches. eg. Border Collie, Golden Retriever.
Then the largest dogs. eg. St Bernard, Doberman, Mastiff, Great Dane

mollwollfumble said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Is it possible to come up with a definition of small, medium and large dogs ? In such a way that you can come up with a list of breeds or a written definition in a lease contract. Say it was a smallish back yard and only suitable for a small dog but not a large dog.

Or is it just too hard?

I remember the vet weighing Poppy the springing spaniel. ‘Twenty kilos. In all the years I have been doing this that’s the first average dog.’

Good question. Good answer.

I wonder if anyone ever bothered to weigh (or measure shoulder height of) a large number of dogs to look for statistical clumpings. Shoulder height would be a better measure of small, medium and large.

Wolf shoulder heights in one paper from 1941 are, in cm:
84, 80, 72, 57.5, 63, 63.5

Shoulder heights of German Shepherd Dogs measured in Moscow in 1931 are, in cm:
62.7±0.6 cm, with males slightly larger than females, with a total range of 48 to 73 cm.

When I was involved in obedience training, the dogs were categorized for agility competition according to height at shoulders. Smaller jumps for smaller dogs. So breed was not relevent, it was really leg length I guess.

Jells is 20 inches/51cms at the shoulder. It’s top of shoulder, yeah?

Divine Angel said:

Jells is 20 inches/51cms at the shoulder. It’s top of shoulder, yeah?

Yes.

I think they do it for the beauty pageant dogs too (Conformation shows) because breeds have certain parameters. Our Boxers have mostly been at the upper height level. We’ve always figured it had something to do with the amount of wild running they do in our big backyard when they are puppies. Like Europeans living in Australia got taller within two generations.

:)

Divine Angel said:

Jells is 20 inches/51cms at the shoulder. It’s top of shoulder, yeah?

Thanks.

Do you consider her to be a medium or a large dog?

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

Jells is 20 inches/51cms at the shoulder. It’s top of shoulder, yeah?

Thanks.

Do you consider her to be a medium or a large dog?

Medium. Although buying collars etc for her, she’s considered large. Jasmine was a large dog. My sister had Great Danes and when the boy (75kg) died, she had to buy a person-sized urn for him.

party_pants said:

Is it possible to come up with a definition of small, medium and large dogs ? In such a way that you can come up with a list of breeds or a written definition in a lease contract. Say it was a smallish back yard and only suitable for a small dog but not a large dog.

Or is it just too hard?

I don’t think size matters as much as energy level required for a given area.

A St Bernard is wopping big, but just lays around most of the time
needless to mention the area requirement for a medium sized Border Collie
where as a Jack Russell Terrier is considered smallish, but is notoriously active.

Put a Jack Russell in a confined space and it’s all hell to pay! D-8=

Ogmog said:

I don’t think size matters as much as energy level required for a given area.

A St Bernard is wopping big, but just lays around most of the time
needless to mention the area requirement for a medium sized Border Collie
where as a Jack Russell Terrier is considered smallish, but is notoriously active.

Put a Jack Russell in a confined space and it’s all hell to pay! D-8=

Dogs 101: Jack Russell Terror

nup, no errior there (-;

Dogs 101: in Alphabetical Order

party_pants said:

Is it possible to come up with a definition of small, medium and large dogs ? In such a way that you can come up with a list of breeds or a written definition in a lease contract. Say it was a smallish back yard and only suitable for a small dog but not a large dog.

Or is it just too hard?

> a list of breeds or a written definition in a lease contract.
> Say it was a smallish back yard and only suitable for a small dog but not a large dog.

Fine. A small back yard for a dog shorter than 17 or 18 inches tall. Problem solved.

Some small breeds are burrowers and destroy the carpet and walls.
Others are indoor pooers and destroy the carpet.
And if they don’t bark then they whine.
Or eat things.