There you go. A new week for tidiness.

Figures from the worst off countries as at midnight GMT.

:(

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

How’s Sweden going with it’s relaxed “mature social responsibility” approach? Not too well, when I last checked.

Michael V said:

Figures from the worst off countries as at midnight GMT.

:(

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

well fk me, when ‘ur INCREASE is the size of a small country TOTAL, well fk me

So the cruise ship thing…is it just that they are full of older, possibly sicker people?

Remember we were asking about this earlier,
Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

Anyone else here looked at the Google Community Mobility Reports and compared to the situation seen on streets? Do they seem valid to you? Doesn’t really seem to fit, example they give Australians around 50% drops in moving around (larger end of drop) but we’re seeing far emptier streets / footpaths / centres / stations / whatever than that would seem to suggest. Perhaps we’re reading it wrong ¿

our footpaths are actually experiencing more foot traffic than before.. and my morning walk had many many more people on it than a ‘regular’ Saturday morning

but the train station is definitely not as busy, nor is the city centre (from that one time I saw it last week )

well our ABC seem to have done something with it, and then this

that doesn’t look like just a 50% drop, to be honest — any of ‘u like to straighten us out on this ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/maps-show-how-coronavirus-lockdowns-emptied-our-cities/12121524

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Figures from the worst off countries as at midnight GMT.

:(

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

well fk me, when ‘ur INCREASE is the size of a small country TOTAL, well fk me

There’s a bit of a pattern in that there is a stable top 5 (USA, France, Spain, UK, Italy but not always in that order) in daily deaths and then a bit of a gap down to 6th, with Germany and Iran pretty stable in the 100 to 180 range from day to day.

pesce.del.giorno said:

How’s Sweden going with it’s relaxed “mature social responsibility” approach? Not too well, when I last checked.

oh cmon they did close some things, like high schools and universities, and gatherings of more than 500 people

buffy said:

So the cruise ship thing…is it just that they are full of older, possibly sicker people?

Sure as shit doesn’t help

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Figures from the worst off countries as at midnight GMT.

:(

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

well fk me, when ‘ur INCREASE is the size of a small country TOTAL, well fk me

There’s a bit of a pattern in that there is a stable top 5 (USA, France, Spain, UK, Italy but not always in that order) in daily deaths and then a bit of a gap down to 6th, with Germany and Iran pretty stable in the 100 to 180 range from day to day.

so it’s the League of Nations ¿

SCIENCE said:

Remember we were asking about this earlier,
Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

Anyone else here looked at the Google Community Mobility Reports and compared to the situation seen on streets? Do they seem valid to you? Doesn’t really seem to fit, example they give Australians around 50% drops in moving around (larger end of drop) but we’re seeing far emptier streets / footpaths / centres / stations / whatever than that would seem to suggest. Perhaps we’re reading it wrong ¿

our footpaths are actually experiencing more foot traffic than before.. and my morning walk had many many more people on it than a ‘regular’ Saturday morning

but the train station is definitely not as busy, nor is the city centre (from that one time I saw it last week )

well our ABC seem to have done something with it, and then this

that doesn’t look like just a 50% drop, to be honest — any of ‘u like to straighten us out on this ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/maps-show-how-coronavirus-lockdowns-emptied-our-cities/12121524

Well that’s Melbourne. Perhaps the drops elsewhere are milder

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Remember we were asking about this earlier,
Arts said:

our footpaths are actually experiencing more foot traffic than before.. and my morning walk had many many more people on it than a ‘regular’ Saturday morning

but the train station is definitely not as busy, nor is the city centre (from that one time I saw it last week )

well our ABC seem to have done something with it, and then this

that doesn’t look like just a 50% drop, to be honest — any of ‘u like to straighten us out on this ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/maps-show-how-coronavirus-lockdowns-emptied-our-cities/12121524

Well that’s Melbourne. Perhaps the drops elsewhere are milder

true, VIC was probably the place to be until it wasn’t

maybe that’s it, the accounting is statewide, so given the population density of AUS (or lack thereof), the falls outside Major Metropolitan were far less significant, so the Google Aggregate Data is less stark

meaning those fools trying to read “less-hard-hit places like AUS have decreased mobility less” into it are probably reading the causal confounder instead

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

well fk me, when ‘ur INCREASE is the size of a small country TOTAL, well fk me

There’s a bit of a pattern in that there is a stable top 5 (USA, France, Spain, UK, Italy but not always in that order) in daily deaths and then a bit of a gap down to 6th, with Germany and Iran pretty stable in the 100 to 180 range from day to day.

so it’s the League of Nations ¿

Heh

buffy said:

So the cruise ship thing…is it just that they are full of older, possibly sicker people?

Being older or sicker, on it’s own, Ms Buffy, doesn’t alter your chances of acquiring it Just alters the chances of severity,if you do acquire it. Risk factors such as age, chronic conditions etc may have an impact on the severity should you acquire it.

buffy said:

So the cruise ship thing…is it just that they are full of older, possibly sicker people?

Interesting question, and one much on my mind too.

I am thinking along the lines that the airports and airlines are the primary means by which the virus spreads, in the early stages. Many passengers on cruise ships had to get a flight there to begin their journey. So maybe that is where they picked up the virus, on the plane on the way in. Cruise ships are just a great incubator and spreader environment.

Woodie said:

buffy said:

So the cruise ship thing…is it just that they are full of older, possibly sicker people?

Being older or sicker, on it’s own, Ms Buffy, doesn’t alter your chances of acquiring it Just alters the chances of severity,if you do acquire it. Risk factors such as age, chronic conditions etc may have an impact on the severity should you acquire it.

Yes. So if you gather them together, you are likely to have more (in number) of more serious cases. Nursing homes just closed the doors.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Figures from the worst off countries as at midnight GMT.

:(

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

well fk me, when ‘ur INCREASE is the size of a small country TOTAL, well fk me

There’s a bit of a pattern in that there is a stable top 5 (USA, France, Spain, UK, Italy but not always in that order) in daily deaths and then a bit of a gap down to 6th, with Germany and Iran pretty stable in the 100 to 180 range from day to day.

I think some of those country by country sorts of figures can be a little misleading. If you look at Europe as a whole, both geographic size and population, Europe is similar to the US. Which puts Europe (as a whole) currently, in a much worse position that the US.

Do some number crunching with “Europe” compared to the US and see what you come up with.

ah, mathematicians and their abstractions

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/coronavirus-exponential-growth-explained-by-rice-on-a-chessboard/12122214

It’s the maths.

There’s a mathematical law driving the growth in the number of coronavirus cases globally, which makes health experts so fearful.

A famous example is the rice and chessboard problem.

If someone gave you a chessboard (which has 64 squares on it) and asked you to put one grain of rice on the first square, two grains of rice on the second square, four grains of rice on the third, eight grains on the fourth, and so on, how many grains of rice would end up on the 64th square?

—

But a better example would be the mould and cheeseboard problem.

If someone gave you a cheeseboard (which is flat) and asked you to put a spore on the first site, what would happen?

It would germinate, and spread…

We got a newsletter from Mum’s nursing home today. It’s been no visitors at all for several weeks now. It amused me that they suggested people write letters to the residents. And I see there has been a “thing” about writing to nursing home people on Facebook (my cousin pointed it at us. We haven’t bothered to tell her I’ve been writing the letters now since January 2017)

“Louisiana pastor Tony Spell said he plans to hold three services at his 1,000-member Life Tabernacle megachurch in a suburb of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, on Palm Sunday, defying state orders against assembling in large groups.

“We’re defying the rules because the commandment of God is to spread the Gospel,” he told Reuters.

Louisiana has become a US hot spot for the virus, on Saturday reporting a jump in deaths to 409.”

He may well have fewer people at his service two or three weeks later. Spread the gospel, be damned! Spread the virus.

buffy said:

We got a newsletter from Mum’s nursing home today. It’s been no visitors at all for several weeks now. It amused me that they suggested people write letters to the residents. And I see there has been a “thing” about writing to nursing home people on Facebook (my cousin pointed it at us. We haven’t bothered to tell her I’ve been writing the letters now since January 2017)

write emails, those viruses don’t kill as many people

Michael V said:

“Louisiana pastor Tony Spell said he plans to hold three services at his 1,000-member Life Tabernacle megachurch in a suburb of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, on Palm Sunday, defying state orders against assembling in large groups.

“We’re defying the rules because the commandment of God is to spread the Gospel,” he told Reuters.

Louisiana has become a US hot spot for the virus, on Saturday reporting a jump in deaths to 409.”

He may well have fewer people at his service two or three weeks later. Spread the gospel, be damned! Spread the virus.

they’ll have flock immunity and we won’t, just remember that

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

We got a newsletter from Mum’s nursing home today. It’s been no visitors at all for several weeks now. It amused me that they suggested people write letters to the residents. And I see there has been a “thing” about writing to nursing home people on Facebook (my cousin pointed it at us. We haven’t bothered to tell her I’ve been writing the letters now since January 2017)

write emails, those viruses don’t kill as many people

Yes, you can email your letter in. But then that is work for the staff and they don’t need extra work. They have to print it and take it round. If I write and mail a letter, they just take it round to her room.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“Louisiana pastor Tony Spell said he plans to hold three services at his 1,000-member Life Tabernacle megachurch in a suburb of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, on Palm Sunday, defying state orders against assembling in large groups.

“We’re defying the rules because the commandment of God is to spread the Gospel,” he told Reuters.

Louisiana has become a US hot spot for the virus, on Saturday reporting a jump in deaths to 409.”

He may well have fewer people at his service two or three weeks later. Spread the gospel, be damned! Spread the virus.

they’ll have flock immunity and we won’t, just remember that

The survivors will have immunity. God sends such things as a test.

Christian Porter is doing well on ABCNews24 atm. Very across his brief.

Michael V said:

“Louisiana pastor Tony Spell said he plans to hold three services at his 1,000-member Life Tabernacle megachurch in a suburb of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, on Palm Sunday, defying state orders against assembling in large groups.

“We’re defying the rules because the commandment of God is to spread the Gospel,” he told Reuters.

Louisiana has become a US hot spot for the virus, on Saturday reporting a jump in deaths to 409.”

He may well have fewer people at his service two or three weeks later. Spread the gospel, be damned! Spread the virus.

… and Jesus said” “ Go ye into all the world and spread the virus”.

Woodie said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

well fk me, when ‘ur INCREASE is the size of a small country TOTAL, well fk me

There’s a bit of a pattern in that there is a stable top 5 (USA, France, Spain, UK, Italy but not always in that order) in daily deaths and then a bit of a gap down to 6th, with Germany and Iran pretty stable in the 100 to 180 range from day to day.

I think some of those country by country sorts of figures can be a little misleading. If you look at Europe as a whole, both geographic size and population, Europe is similar to the US. Which puts Europe (as a whole) currently, in a much worse position that the US.

Do some number crunching with “Europe” compared to the US and see what you come up with.

Your overall point about per capita counts is apt but note that Europe’s population is about 2.3 times that of the USA.

Population of Europe 746,419,440
Population of USA 329,968,629

Nonetheless even after all that Europe still does have more cases per million than the USA, but again, I’m looking at the trends. The USA has about the same reported infections than all of Europe (34000 vs 36000) and indeed 40% of all new cases yesterday in the USA. Your comment is fair about the current state but the USA is heading quickly towards much higher ground.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Christian Porter is doing well on ABCNews24 atm. Very across his brief.

Well that’s good.

Michael V said:

“Louisiana pastor Tony Spell said he plans to hold three services at his 1,000-member Life Tabernacle megachurch in a suburb of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, on Palm Sunday, defying state orders against assembling in large groups.

“We’re defying the rules because the commandment of God is to spread the Gospel,” he told Reuters.

Louisiana has become a US hot spot for the virus, on Saturday reporting a jump in deaths to 409.”

He may well have fewer people at his service two or three weeks later. Spread the gospel, be damned! Spread the virus.

Point is, will anyone miss the Life Tabernacle?

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

“Louisiana pastor Tony Spell said he plans to hold three services at his 1,000-member Life Tabernacle megachurch in a suburb of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, on Palm Sunday, defying state orders against assembling in large groups.

“We’re defying the rules because the commandment of God is to spread the Gospel,” he told Reuters.

Louisiana has become a US hot spot for the virus, on Saturday reporting a jump in deaths to 409.”

He may well have fewer people at his service two or three weeks later. Spread the gospel, be damned! Spread the virus.

… and Jesus said” “ Go ye into all the world and spread the virus”.

That’s religion for you.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/coronavirus-victoria-offers-free-hotel-rooms-for-health-workers/12122262?pfmredir=sm

VIC, like SA, ahead of the game, well played.

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Why are there so many Fuck-Whittingtons in the world?

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Why are there so many Fuck-Whittingtons in the world?

You’ve been watching Upstart Crow again haven’t you?

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Why are there so many Fuck-Whittingtons in the world?

You’ve been watching Upstart Crow again haven’t you?

no.

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Why are there so many Fuck-Whittingtons in the world?

You’ve been watching Upstart Crow again haven’t you?

No. If I have picked up the the term from some popular culture film or TV series then it has been entirely through community transmission rather than from a primary source.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Why are there so many Fuck-Whittingtons in the world?

I don’t know. I really don’t.

party_pants said:

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

Why are there so many Fuck-Whittingtons in the world?

You’ve been watching Upstart Crow again haven’t you?

No. If I have picked up the the term from some popular culture film or TV series then it has been entirely through community transmission rather than from a primary source.

Nevertheless an excellent descriptor.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Why are there so many Fuck-Whittingtons in the world?

I don’t know. I really don’t.

The socialists allow them to breed.

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Adds Gideon Rozner to the list of people who can GAGF.

What a loon, the encouraging thing was the comments under the video.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Adds Gideon Rozner to the list of people who can GAGF.

What a loon, the encouraging thing was the comments under the video.

Oh, and I’m 99% certain that I’ve drunk in that pub in the background.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Adds Gideon Rozner to the list of people who can GAGF.

What a loon, the encouraging thing was the comments under the video.

yes, that was good to see the commentators bagging the idea, comrade.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Adds Gideon Rozner to the list of people who can GAGF.

What a loon, the encouraging thing was the comments under the video.

Oh, and I’m 99% certain that I’ve been drunk in that pub in the background.

fixed.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Why are there so many Fuck-Whittingtons in the world?

I don’t know. I really don’t.

And for reasons unknown, darwinianism doesn’t seem to apply to them. They all live long enough to breed.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Adds Gideon Rozner to the list of people who can GAGF.

What a loon, the encouraging thing was the comments under the video.

“How do you facepalm without touching your face?”

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Adds Gideon Rozner to the list of people who can GAGF.

What a loon, the encouraging thing was the comments under the video.

“How do you facepalm without touching your face?”

airpalm.

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

He’s wearing a suit. Suit wearers have authority. Moreso than some sorta scruffian. Who would you take your guidance from? Someone wearing a suit? Or a scruffian.

ScoMo wears a suit.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Adds Gideon Rozner to the list of people who can GAGF.

What a loon, the encouraging thing was the comments under the video.

“How do you facepalm without touching your face?”

giggle

Woodie said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

He’s wearing a suit. Suit wearers have authority. Moreso than some sorta scruffian. Who would you take your guidance from? Someone wearing a suit? Or a scruffian.

ScoMo wears a suit.

Have never owned a suit.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Adds Gideon Rozner to the list of people who can GAGF.

What a loon, the encouraging thing was the comments under the video.

Oh, and I’m 99% certain that I’ve drunk in that pub in the background.

I can safely say I have. (not for many years, but) It’s off Collins St isn’t it? Friday night after work that laneway was packed.

I hope Rupert loses lots.

(One of my friends was sacked by Rupert the other day. I hope these circumstances result in him eventually finding a job he actually feels good about.)

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Adds Gideon Rozner to the list of people who can GAGF.

What a loon, the encouraging thing was the comments under the video.

Oh, and I’m 99% certain that I’ve drunk in that pub in the background.

I can safely say I have. (not for many years, but) It’s off Collins St isn’t it? Friday night after work that laneway was packed.

Yep, that’s it, Woodie :)

SCIENCE said:

Remember we were asking about this earlier,
Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

Anyone else here looked at the Google Community Mobility Reports and compared to the situation seen on streets? Do they seem valid to you? Doesn’t really seem to fit, example they give Australians around 50% drops in moving around (larger end of drop) but we’re seeing far emptier streets / footpaths / centres / stations / whatever than that would seem to suggest. Perhaps we’re reading it wrong ¿

our footpaths are actually experiencing more foot traffic than before.. and my morning walk had many many more people on it than a ‘regular’ Saturday morning

but the train station is definitely not as busy, nor is the city centre (from that one time I saw it last week )

well our ABC seem to have done something with it, and then this

that doesn’t look like just a 50% drop, to be honest — any of ‘u like to straighten us out on this ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/maps-show-how-coronavirus-lockdowns-emptied-our-cities/12121524

well, in the city of course there are going to be fewer people.. perhaps they should have done ones in suburbia.

sibeen said:

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

Oh, and I’m 99% certain that I’ve drunk in that pub in the background.

I can safely say I have. (not for many years, but) It’s off Collins St isn’t it? Friday night after work that laneway was packed.

Yep, that’s it, Woodie :)

Can’t remember the name of it. Quite a small bar inside, but always lots outside.

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

Woodie said:

I can safely say I have. (not for many years, but) It’s off Collins St isn’t it? Friday night after work that laneway was packed.

Yep, that’s it, Woodie :)

Can’t remember the name of it. Quite a small bar inside, but always lots outside.

Neither can I :)

sibeen said:

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

Yep, that’s it, Woodie :)

Can’t remember the name of it. Quite a small bar inside, but always lots outside.

Neither can I :)

The Mitre Tavern, me thinks.

Considering it’s only 5 hours since UTC 0:00, we’re not looking as good as the whole of yesterday.

Yesterday

Today

sibeen said:

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

Yep, that’s it, Woodie :)

Can’t remember the name of it. Quite a small bar inside, but always lots outside.

Neither can I :)

Mind you, it was when I worked in the CBD, and that was back in the early 1990s. But you never forget what a pub looks like, or where it is, in case you have to stumble back there again at some stage.

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

Woodie said:

Can’t remember the name of it. Quite a small bar inside, but always lots outside.

Neither can I :)

Mind you, it was when I worked in the CBD, and that was back in the early 1990s. But you never forget what a pub looks like, or where it is, in case you have to stumble back there again at some stage.

Just did a street view, definitely The Mitre Tavern :)

To help stop coronavirus, everyone should be wearing face masks. The science is clear

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/04/why-wear-a-mask-may-be-our-best-weapon-to-stop-coronavirus

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Woodie said:

Can’t remember the name of it. Quite a small bar inside, but always lots outside.

Neither can I :)

The Mitre Tavern, me thinks.

I tired to find it on Google Street view, and did end up in Bank Place. Yes. Mitre Tavern.

Bubblecar said:

To help stop coronavirus, everyone should be wearing face masks. The science is clear

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/04/why-wear-a-mask-may-be-our-best-weapon-to-stop-coronavirus

Yes.

Bubblecar said:

To help stop coronavirus, everyone should be wearing face masks. The science is clear

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/04/why-wear-a-mask-may-be-our-best-weapon-to-stop-coronavirus

well, if everyone is wearing masks, then do I have to?

sibeen said:

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

Neither can I :)

Mind you, it was when I worked in the CBD, and that was back in the early 1990s. But you never forget what a pub looks like, or where it is, in case you have to stumble back there again at some stage.

Just did a street view, definitely The Mitre Tavern :)

Another watering shed was the Sherlock, on the other side of Collins St, down the road a bit. Dunno if it’s still there.

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

Woodie said:

Mind you, it was when I worked in the CBD, and that was back in the early 1990s. But you never forget what a pub looks like, or where it is, in case you have to stumble back there again at some stage.

Just did a street view, definitely The Mitre Tavern :)

Another watering shed was the Sherlock, on the other side of Collins St, down the road a bit. Dunno if it’s still there.

Still there.

Arts said:

Bubblecar said:

To help stop coronavirus, everyone should be wearing face masks. The science is clear

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/04/why-wear-a-mask-may-be-our-best-weapon-to-stop-coronavirus

well, if everyone is wearing masks, then do I have to?

The more people who wear them, the more effective they are.

sibeen said:

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

Just did a street view, definitely The Mitre Tavern :)

Another watering shed was the Sherlock, on the other side of Collins St, down the road a bit. Dunno if it’s still there.

Still there.

Another real dive of a joint at the time, on Friday nights, was the downstairs bar out the back of Hotel Australia. Little Collins St.

Arts said:

Bubblecar said:

To help stop coronavirus, everyone should be wearing face masks. The science is clear

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/04/why-wear-a-mask-may-be-our-best-weapon-to-stop-coronavirus

well, if everyone is wearing masks, then do I have to?

I think it should be up to the individual if they want to protect themselves.

Bubblecar said:

Arts said:

Bubblecar said:

To help stop coronavirus, everyone should be wearing face masks. The science is clear

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/04/why-wear-a-mask-may-be-our-best-weapon-to-stop-coronavirus

well, if everyone is wearing masks, then do I have to?

The more people who wear them, the more effective they are.

Yes.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Bloody institute of public affairs.

youtube/sunrise.

Begin To End The Lockdown Now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5adebL-Co&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR36Ijb3pbuIFlBlCKKGIMJUsryhxsb_jZvjEdfkkyPM0k5cFdf2C6ma26o

Adds Gideon Rozner to the list of people who can GAGF.

What a loon, the encouraging thing was the comments under the video.

“How do you facepalm without touching your face?”

watched that, the enthusiasm’s encouraging, contagious even, I mean it’s sort of true, and for a lot of people that are losing shitloads of money the truth is torturing them, investments turned into liabilities

to some extent capitalism has been temporarily suspended, because there’s a mass murderer on the loose called corona, that inhabits a lot of innocent people, some with no symptoms at all

I wore my wool mittens to go the supermarket , no mask, didnt see anyone wearing masks

so Im holding back on my home-made one waiting to get some thermo plastic to shape the jersey interlock material to minimize air pockets

anyway I noticed they had a hole in one of the fingers, so Ill be buying 2 more pairs

wear one while the other is being washed etc

rotate them

two different colors

Tau.Neutrino said:

Arts said:

Bubblecar said:

To help stop coronavirus, everyone should be wearing face masks. The science is clear

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/04/why-wear-a-mask-may-be-our-best-weapon-to-stop-coronavirus

well, if everyone is wearing masks, then do I have to?

I think it should be up to the individual if they want to protect themselves.

what if you’re actually sick and you should protect others

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Arts said:

well, if everyone is wearing masks, then do I have to?

I think it should be up to the individual if they want to protect themselves.

what if you’re actually sick and you should protect others

I think we should make only the sick wear a mask.. that way we can tell who they are… hmm. maybe we should also mark them in some way.. maybe make them wear the yellow star of ailments.

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I think it should be up to the individual if they want to protect themselves.

what if you’re actually sick and you should protect others

I think we should make only the sick wear a mask.. that way we can tell who they are… hmm. maybe we should also mark them in some way.. maybe make them wear the yellow star of ailments.

bring back leper colonies

and the iron lung

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-04/levels-of-fear-with-coronavirus-not-seen-since-polio-epidemic/12115228?pfmredir=sm

Bubblecar said:

Arts said:

Bubblecar said:

To help stop coronavirus, everyone should be wearing face masks. The science is clear

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/04/why-wear-a-mask-may-be-our-best-weapon-to-stop-coronavirus

well, if everyone is wearing masks, then do I have to?

The more people who wear them, the more effective they are.

I have a box of dust masks in the shed to wear when I use an electric sander. They say on the box they are not protection against bacteria or viruses, but I wonder if they are “better than nothing”?

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Arts said:

well, if everyone is wearing masks, then do I have to?

I think it should be up to the individual if they want to protect themselves.

what if you’re actually sick and you should protect others

Yes, infected people should wear them

I guess its like the aids epidemic, if you know you have aids and knowingly give it someone you can be charged, not in all countries

public education on media

if that fails

New laws might be required

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Arts said:

well, if everyone is wearing masks, then do I have to?

The more people who wear them, the more effective they are.

I have a box of dust masks in the shed to wear when I use an electric sander. They say on the box they are not protection against bacteria or viruses, but I wonder if they are “better than nothing”?

They are better than nothing but its the air gaps you have to worry about.

but you would not want someone to cough at you.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Arts said:

well, if everyone is wearing masks, then do I have to?

The more people who wear them, the more effective they are.

I have a box of dust masks in the shed to wear when I use an electric sander. They say on the box they are not protection against bacteria or viruses, but I wonder if they are “better than nothing”?

disclaimers disclaim everything

we mean, it’s not like cleaning solutions say “guaranteed to kill 100.000000000% of germs”

Woodie said:

Considering it’s only 5 hours since UTC 0:00, we’re not looking as good as the whole of yesterday.

Yesterday

Today

You should really only refer to the “Yesterday” figures are they are the ones that show a consistent 24 hour set for all areas.

People of re: Corona Virus March 29-April 4, join us in the glorious future! Toilet paper galore!

dv said:

People of re: Corona Virus March 29-April 4, join us in the glorious future! Toilet paper galore!

Our supermarket now has those giant multi user rolls, too big for the normal roll handle.

“The only way I can get to the bottom of whether our national biosecurity laws and our state laws were broken is through a criminal investigation.”

—

uh congratulations, we have all those interstate quarantine inspections and successfully protected our fruitcakes from flies, but when it comes to protecting our people

Why doesn’t the government seize all plane and ship records and trace people?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why doesn’t the government seize all plane and ship records and trace people?

only during outbreaks

Are there any laws on this matter?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why doesn’t the government seize all plane and ship records and trace people?

only during outbreaks

Are there any laws on this matter?

Yes there are.

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Adds Gideon Rozner to the list of people who can GAGF.

What a loon, the encouraging thing was the comments under the video.

Oh, and I’m 99% certain that I’ve drunk in that pub in the background.

I can safely say I have. (not for many years, but) It’s off Collins St isn’t it? Friday night after work that laneway was packed.

I haven’t drunk there, but I walked past it in recent months. It would have been at Christmas, I think. Damned if I can recall exactly where it is. The “laneway” was a bit busier though.

The NSW Nurses and Midwives’ Association (NMA) reported workers were being told by hospital administrators to not wear their uniforms to work after a spate of incidents.

… intensive care nurse at Royal North Shore hospital, … was assaulted after boarding a train while wearing her scrubs, while another was screamed at in Coles when she stopped on her way home to get dinner.
… there were several reports of nurses being refused service at supermarkets and cafes or being abused by petrol station attendants for walking in their uniform.
… a pregnant midwife was verbally attacked at the drive-through before her shift.
… staff at Campbelltown Hospital say they are being deliberately coughed on,
… nurses are being spat on by “increasingly anxious patients” waiting for their COVID-19 screening.
… doctors were finding it difficult to secure new accommodation because tenants refused to share space with healthcare workers.

fk yeah

sibeen said:

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

Neither can I :)

Mind you, it was when I worked in the CBD, and that was back in the early 1990s. But you never forget what a pub looks like, or where it is, in case you have to stumble back there again at some stage.

Just did a street view, definitely The Mitre Tavern :)

Yep, round the back of the RACV Club. We tend to go walking around the streets when we are in Melbourne, just to get the exercise usually. Sunday mornings can be relatively quiet in those areas.

Danny said:

“It has happened. Nothing I do now will change that and I don’t think governments essentially suing each other or suing private companies… I think public health and the public good and public interest are far more important than going into that sort of argument.

“I don’t think anything would be achieved by that.”

nice one

why does this fella insist on playing politics by being reasonable, it’s UnAustralian to make yourself look good by applying sense, he should scream and shout like everyone else

Cant you all see.. Is everyone so blind. 5G Causes Corona virus.
Read the facts folks.
https://www.shieldyourbody.com/2017/10/5g-health-risks/ .
One of the funniest sites ive seen for a while, trouble is that dickheads believe this stuff.

Why didn’t the loopy soothsayers see this coming and warn us.

SCIENCE said:

The NSW Nurses and Midwives’ Association (NMA) reported workers were being told by hospital administrators to not wear their uniforms to work after a spate of incidents.

… intensive care nurse at Royal North Shore hospital, … was assaulted after boarding a train while wearing her scrubs, while another was screamed at in Coles when she stopped on her way home to get dinner.
… there were several reports of nurses being refused service at supermarkets and cafes or being abused by petrol station attendants for walking in their uniform.
… a pregnant midwife was verbally attacked at the drive-through before her shift.
… staff at Campbelltown Hospital say they are being deliberately coughed on,
… nurses are being spat on by “increasingly anxious patients” waiting for their COVID-19 screening.
… doctors were finding it difficult to secure new accommodation because tenants refused to share space with healthcare workers.

fk yeah

Mr buffy and I were talking about this the other day. We aren’t quite sure when it changed, but in the 1960s and 1970s you didn’t wear your nursing uniform and definitely not scrubs outside the hospital. You had to change into street clothes at the end of shift. Scrubs especially were always inside the hospital and were laundered there. I always thought it was something to do with infection control.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

The NSW Nurses and Midwives’ Association (NMA) reported workers were being told by hospital administrators to not wear their uniforms to work after a spate of incidents.

… intensive care nurse at Royal North Shore hospital, … was assaulted after boarding a train while wearing her scrubs, while another was screamed at in Coles when she stopped on her way home to get dinner.
… there were several reports of nurses being refused service at supermarkets and cafes or being abused by petrol station attendants for walking in their uniform.
… a pregnant midwife was verbally attacked at the drive-through before her shift.
… staff at Campbelltown Hospital say they are being deliberately coughed on,
… nurses are being spat on by “increasingly anxious patients” waiting for their COVID-19 screening.
… doctors were finding it difficult to secure new accommodation because tenants refused to share space with healthcare workers.

fk yeah

Mr buffy and I were talking about this the other day. We aren’t quite sure when it changed, but in the 1960s and 1970s you didn’t wear your nursing uniform and definitely not scrubs outside the hospital. You had to change into street clothes at the end of shift. Scrubs especially were always inside the hospital and were laundered there. I always thought it was something to do with infection control.

My thinking is there are different wards with different standards

general ward
emergency ward
surgical ward
day ward
cancer ward
children ward
newborn ward
etc
then umpteen clinics

SCIENCE said:

The NSW Nurses and Midwives’ Association (NMA) reported workers were being told by hospital administrators to not wear their uniforms to work after a spate of incidents.

… intensive care nurse at Royal North Shore hospital, … was assaulted after boarding a train while wearing her scrubs, while another was screamed at in Coles when she stopped on her way home to get dinner.
… there were several reports of nurses being refused service at supermarkets and cafes or being abused by petrol station attendants for walking in their uniform.
… a pregnant midwife was verbally attacked at the drive-through before her shift.
… staff at Campbelltown Hospital say they are being deliberately coughed on,
… nurses are being spat on by “increasingly anxious patients” waiting for their COVID-19 screening.
… doctors were finding it difficult to secure new accommodation because tenants refused to share space with healthcare workers.

fk yeah

Horrible, nasty stuff.

SCIENCE said:

Danny said:

“It has happened. Nothing I do now will change that and I don’t think governments essentially suing each other or suing private companies… I think public health and the public good and public interest are far more important than going into that sort of argument.

“I don’t think anything would be achieved by that.”

nice one

why does this fella insist on playing politics by being reasonable, it’s UnAustralian to make yourself look good by applying sense, he should scream and shout like everyone else

Danny? Danny?
WTF is Danny?

SCIENCE said:

The NSW Nurses and Midwives’ Association (NMA) reported workers were being told by hospital administrators to not wear their uniforms to work after a spate of incidents.

… intensive care nurse at Royal North Shore hospital, … was assaulted after boarding a train while wearing her scrubs, while another was screamed at in Coles when she stopped on her way home to get dinner.
… there were several reports of nurses being refused service at supermarkets and cafes or being abused by petrol station attendants for walking in their uniform.
… a pregnant midwife was verbally attacked at the drive-through before her shift.
… staff at Campbelltown Hospital say they are being deliberately coughed on,
… nurses are being spat on by “increasingly anxious patients” waiting for their COVID-19 screening.
… doctors were finding it difficult to secure new accommodation because tenants refused to share space with healthcare workers.

fk yeah

We are scum. and we are many.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Danny said:

“It has happened. Nothing I do now will change that and I don’t think governments essentially suing each other or suing private companies… I think public health and the public good and public interest are far more important than going into that sort of argument.

“I don’t think anything would be achieved by that.”

nice one

why does this fella insist on playing politics by being reasonable, it’s UnAustralian to make yourself look good by applying sense, he should scream and shout like everyone else

Danny? Danny?
WTF is Danny?

I think he means the Victorian premier, Daniel Andrews.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

The NSW Nurses and Midwives’ Association (NMA) reported workers were being told by hospital administrators to not wear their uniforms to work after a spate of incidents.

… intensive care nurse at Royal North Shore hospital, … was assaulted after boarding a train while wearing her scrubs, while another was screamed at in Coles when she stopped on her way home to get dinner.
… there were several reports of nurses being refused service at supermarkets and cafes or being abused by petrol station attendants for walking in their uniform.
… a pregnant midwife was verbally attacked at the drive-through before her shift.
… staff at Campbelltown Hospital say they are being deliberately coughed on,
… nurses are being spat on by “increasingly anxious patients” waiting for their COVID-19 screening.
… doctors were finding it difficult to secure new accommodation because tenants refused to share space with healthcare workers.

fk yeah

Horrible, nasty stuff.

The other side is that health workers could get infected just by someone coming in and breathing around them.

Its probably on the minds of all health workers in hospitals now

some could be terrified some have a relaxed but cautious attitude

Once the mask shortage is over

I think there is a need for mask dispensers at hospital entrances.

>… staff at Campbelltown Hospital say they are being deliberately coughed on

That’s Campbelltown NSW, not Campbell Town, Tas, where the inhabitants tend to be more civilised.

Bubblecar said:

>… staff at Campbelltown Hospital say they are being deliberately coughed on

That’s Campbelltown NSW, not Campbell Town, Tas, where the inhabitants tend to be more civilised.

They keep their distance and throw rocks. Much safer.

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

>… staff at Campbelltown Hospital say they are being deliberately coughed on

That’s Campbelltown NSW, not Campbell Town, Tas, where the inhabitants tend to be more civilised.

They keep their distance and throw rocks. Much safer.

Should the victim move towards them, they quickly climb a tree.

btm said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

nice one

why does this fella insist on playing politics by being reasonable, it’s UnAustralian to make yourself look good by applying sense, he should scream and shout like everyone else

Danny? Danny?
WTF is Danny?

I think he means the Victorian premier, Daniel Andrews.

K.

… I don’t think I could name all the state premiers and territory chief ministers,

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

>… staff at Campbelltown Hospital say they are being deliberately coughed on

That’s Campbelltown NSW, not Campbell Town, Tas, where the inhabitants tend to be more civilised.

They keep their distance and throw rocks. Much safer.

Sounds like bogan culture, but are they wearing masks?

I wonder what the domestic violence situation is?

I flummoxed. I can’t understand being so awful to medical professionals.Especially if they aren’t catholic gynaes.

sarahs mum said:

I flummoxed. I can’t understand being so awful to medical professionals.Especially if they aren’t catholic gynaes.

Some people are just simply mongrels. Luckily most people aren’t.

Good news from Switzerland. Their number of active cases may have peaked. So we can add Switzerland to China and South Korea where the number of active cases has peaked. It’s still uncertain because so far it’s only just past the peak.

According to my calcs, Switzerland has a mortality rate of 4.5%±0.5%. That puts it in the original low-mortality countries along with China, Germany and Austria.

Good news from Austria, too. It also seems to have just passed the peak for active cases.

By way of comparison, here’s the latest from South Korea. It’s well past the peak in active cases.

In Australia, the number of active cases is slowing down, but it hasn’t peaked yet.

PS. I was overoptimistic in thinking that Turkey had a low-mortality form of the virus. There is insufficient information so far because the first death was only on 17 March.

sarahs mum said:

I flummoxed. I can’t understand being so awful to medical professionals.Especially if they aren’t catholic gynaes.

Yes, I think media education might help

Health professionals can get infected and can die

these spitters should try to place themselves in the jobs the health workers have to face

there are already posters in hospitals concerning violence towards staff

so I think TV education ads might help

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

I flummoxed. I can’t understand being so awful to medical professionals.Especially if they aren’t catholic gynaes.

Some people are just simply mongrels. Luckily most people aren’t.

I can understand why some people are so awful to medical professionals! About half of the doctors and nurses (and I’m not including GPs here, they are all good) in hospitals are absolute shits.

mollwollfumble said:

Good news from Switzerland. Their number of active cases may have peaked. So we can add Switzerland to China and South Korea where the number of active cases has peaked. It’s still uncertain because so far it’s only just past the peak.

According to my calcs, Switzerland has a mortality rate of 4.5%±0.5%. That puts it in the original low-mortality countries along with China, Germany and Austria.

Good news from Austria, too. It also seems to have just passed the peak for active cases.

By way of comparison, here’s the latest from South Korea. It’s well past the peak in active cases.

In Australia, the number of active cases is slowing down, but it hasn’t peaked yet.

PS. I was overoptimistic in thinking that Turkey had a low-mortality form of the virus. There is insufficient information so far because the first death was only on 17 March.

mollwollfumble said:

I can understand why some people are so awful to medical professionals! About half of the doctors and nurses (and I’m not including GPs here, they are all good) in hospitals are absolute shits.

Is that your experience from psych wards?

Bubblecar said:

>… staff at Campbelltown Hospital say they are being deliberately coughed on

That’s Campbelltown NSW, not Campbell Town, Tas, where the inhabitants tend to be more civilised.

Or else still blame disease on ‘miasmas’.

Maybe if the health workers walk around in groups and throw rocks at the bogans, then maybe the bogans will leave them alone.

buffy said:

Mr buffy and I were talking about this the other day. We aren’t quite sure when it changed, but in the 1960s and 1970s you didn’t wear your nursing uniform and definitely not scrubs outside the hospital. You had to change into street clothes at the end of shift. Scrubs especially were always inside the hospital and were laundered there. I always thought it was something to do with infection control.

It has to do with swagger.

Walking about the place in scrubs identifies you as a ‘real’ medical-type person, or as one who’s working ‘up at the sharp end’.

At a hospital i previously worked at, you’d get theatre admin people wandering about the place in scrubs. People were wearing them to and from work, to the point where a shortage of the garments developed.

It got to the point where management had to send out an APB which basically said ‘FFS, if you don’t have a real, immediate, genuine clinical need to put them on, then leave the fucking things alone’.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

I flummoxed. I can’t understand being so awful to medical professionals.Especially if they aren’t catholic gynaes.

Some people are just simply mongrels. Luckily most people aren’t.

most most most most most people aren’t. But mongrel is as mongrel does. Always have, and always will. And for some reason, they all live.

ABC News:

‘Homicide detectives launch criminal probe into coronavirus ship deaths

By Kevin Nguyen and Sarah Thomas
NSW Police opens an investigation into cruise ship operator Carnival Australia to determine whether it downplayed potential coronavirus cases on board the Ruby Princess before passengers disembarked in Sydney last month.

The blame-shifting begins…

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Homicide detectives launch criminal probe into coronavirus ship deaths

By Kevin Nguyen and Sarah Thomas
NSW Police opens an investigation into cruise ship operator Carnival Australia to determine whether it downplayed potential coronavirus cases on board the Ruby Princess before passengers disembarked in Sydney last month.

The blame-shifting begins…

Why cant they just blame covid19?

Keep it simple.

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Homicide detectives launch criminal probe into coronavirus ship deaths

By Kevin Nguyen and Sarah Thomas
NSW Police opens an investigation into cruise ship operator Carnival Australia to determine whether it downplayed potential coronavirus cases on board the Ruby Princess before passengers disembarked in Sydney last month.

The blame-shifting begins…

Why cant they just blame covid19?

Keep it simple.

Gladys is desperate for someone or something to blame.

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

I flummoxed. I can’t understand being so awful to medical professionals.Especially if they aren’t catholic gynaes.

Some people are just simply mongrels. Luckily most people aren’t.

I can understand why some people are so awful to medical professionals! About half of the doctors and nurses (and I’m not including GPs here, they are all good) in hospitals are absolute shits.

wow.

Arts said:

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

Some people are just simply mongrels. Luckily most people aren’t.

I can understand why some people are so awful to medical professionals! About half of the doctors and nurses (and I’m not including GPs here, they are all good) in hospitals are absolute shits.

wow.

While almost universally very very good, I have also seen some pretty ordinary behaviour from Doctors and some stupid mistakes from nurses.

Rule 303 said:

While almost universally very very good, I have also seen some pretty ordinary behaviour from Doctors and some stupid mistakes from nurses.

I’ve seen fabulous doctors, and i’ve seen some who everyone wanted to kick up the arse. Hard.

And some nurses. And some admin people.

Arts said:

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

Some people are just simply mongrels. Luckily most people aren’t.

I can understand why some people are so awful to medical professionals! About half of the doctors and nurses (and I’m not including GPs here, they are all good) in hospitals are absolute shits.

wow.

Didn’t encounter any absolute shits amongst the staff during my recent hospital stay.

The home care nurses were all fine, too.

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

While almost universally very very good, I have also seen some pretty ordinary behaviour from Doctors and some stupid mistakes from nurses.

I’ve seen fabulous doctors, and i’ve seen some who everyone wanted to kick up the arse. Hard.

And some nurses. And some admin people.

and some volunteers and some checkout people and some police folk and some detectives and some movie producers and some actors and some writers and some teachers and some engineers and some IT people and some …

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

While almost universally very very good, I have also seen some pretty ordinary behaviour from Doctors and some stupid mistakes from nurses.

I’ve seen fabulous doctors, and i’ve seen some who everyone wanted to kick up the arse. Hard.

And some nurses. And some admin people.

and some volunteers and some checkout people and some police folk and some detectives and some movie producers and some actors and some writers and some teachers and some engineers and some IT people and some …

scientists and some farmers and some mechanics and some carers and some parents and some drivers and all antivaxxers.

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

While almost universally very very good, I have also seen some pretty ordinary behaviour from Doctors and some stupid mistakes from nurses.

I’ve seen fabulous doctors, and i’ve seen some who everyone wanted to kick up the arse. Hard.

And some nurses. And some admin people.

and some volunteers and some checkout people and some police folk and some detectives and some movie producers and some actors and some writers and some teachers and some engineers and some IT people and some forumites…

Fixed.

Bubblecar said:

Arts said:

mollwollfumble said:

I can understand why some people are so awful to medical professionals! About half of the doctors and nurses (and I’m not including GPs here, they are all good) in hospitals are absolute shits.

wow.

Didn’t encounter any absolute shits amongst the staff during my recent hospital stay.

The home care nurses were all fine, too.

I’ve seen nurses who are usually nothing but sweetness and light in a mood to bite the head off off a brown snake after a particularly hard 12-hour shift.

Circumstances are often a factor.

yeah imagine going up to some school students out in uniform and spitting, shouting and throwing rocks at them, they probably deserve it, many of them study hard but many of them are just little shits

SCIENCE said:

yeah imagine going up to some school students out in uniform and spitting, shouting and throwing rocks at them, they probably deserve it, many of them study hard but many of them are just little shits

Police in uniform?

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

While almost universally very very good, I have also seen some pretty ordinary behaviour from Doctors and some stupid mistakes from nurses.

I’ve seen fabulous doctors, and i’ve seen some who everyone wanted to kick up the arse. Hard.

And some nurses. And some admin people.

and some volunteers and some checkout people and some police folk and some detectives and some movie producers and some actors and some writers and some teachers and some engineers and some IT people and some …

How the hell did engineers get dragged into this?

sibeen said:

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

I’ve seen fabulous doctors, and i’ve seen some who everyone wanted to kick up the arse. Hard.

And some nurses. And some admin people.

and some volunteers and some checkout people and some police folk and some detectives and some movie producers and some actors and some writers and some teachers and some engineers and some IT people and some …

How the hell did engineers get dragged into this?

The real question is why they weren’t much higher up the list!

Queensland police issue 58 coronavirus infringements as they break up car rally south of Brisbane

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/coronavirus-infringements-issued-as-police-break-up-car-rally/12123486

Jaysys. Should have impounded the cars and made them all walk home.

sibeen said:

Queensland police issue 58 coronavirus infringements as they break up car rally south of Brisbane

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/coronavirus-infringements-issued-as-police-break-up-car-rally/12123486

Jaysys. Should have impounded the cars and made them all walk home.

Should have shot out all four tyres on every car.

That would have had more effect on the dills concerned.

A vaccine that was developed a hundred years ago to fight the tuberculosis scourge in Europe is now being tested against the coronavirus by scientists eager to find a quick way to protect health care workers, among others.

The Bacillus Calmette-Guerin vaccine is still widely used in the developing world, where scientists have found that it does more than prevent TB. The vaccine prevents infant deaths from a variety of causes, and sharply reduces the incidence of respiratory infections.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/health/coronavirus-bcg-vaccine.html?algo=identity&fellback=false&imp_id=269646798&imp_id=648698182&action=click&module=Science%20%20Technology&pgtype=Homepage

SCIENCE said:

yeah imagine going up to some school students out in uniform and spitting, shouting and throwing rocks at them, they probably deserve it, many of them study hard but many of them are just little shits

I’m disputing the ‘half of’ in the first instance.. and secondly I’m with you.. spitting on anyone for any reason is just fucked up. It’s really a disgusting thing to do at any time, let alone at someone.

captain_spalding said:

sibeen said:

Queensland police issue 58 coronavirus infringements as they break up car rally south of Brisbane

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/coronavirus-infringements-issued-as-police-break-up-car-rally/12123486

Jaysys. Should have impounded the cars and made them all walk home.

Should have shot dills concerned.

fixed.

sibeen said:

Queensland police issue 58 coronavirus infringements as they break up car rally south of Brisbane

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/coronavirus-infringements-issued-as-police-break-up-car-rally/12123486

Jaysys. Should have impounded the cars and made them all walk home.

The cars might have coronavirus and should be impounded until tests can be carried out.

Tau.Neutrino said:

sibeen said:

Queensland police issue 58 coronavirus infringements as they break up car rally south of Brisbane

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/coronavirus-infringements-issued-as-police-break-up-car-rally/12123486

Jaysys. Should have impounded the cars and made them all walk home.

The cars might have coronavirus and should be impounded until tests can be carried out.

You’re right, they may have been infected.

Thermal sterilisation needed.

New York City, New York, US
Confirmed: 63,306
Deaths: 2,624
Recovered: 0
Active: 60,682

There’s a bit of this going ‘round on Farcebook:

Just so I NEVER forget….. April 4 2020

Australia has 5,687 cases
America as 312,000 cases

Scott Morrison is the PM.
Mark McGowan is the Premier of Western Australia.
Petrol price at BP was 99.9
Schools cancelled
Australia locks its boarders to the world.
Western Australia will close its boarders to the rest of Australia on Sunday 5/4/2020 at 11:59am.
West Australia can not travel between territories. Can’t travel down South and up North.
Easter holidays to be spent in your home.
Self-distancing measures on the rise.
Tape on the floors at shops to help distance shoppers (2m) from each other.
Limited number of people inside shops, therefore, lineups outside the doors.
Non-essential shops and businesses starting to close.
Pubs, theatres, restaurants are closed.
Entire sports seasons cancelled.
Concerts, tours, festivals, entertainment events – cancelled.
Weddings, family celebrations, holiday gatherings – cancelled.
Churches are closed.
Don’t socialise with anyone outside of your home.
Children’s outdoor play parks are closed.
We are to distance from each other.
Shortage of masks, gowns, gloves for our front-line workers.
Shortage of ventilators for the critically ill.
Panic buying sets in and we have no toilet paper, no disinfecting supplies, no paper towel no laundry soap, no hand sanitiser.
Bread, pasta, flour, eggs, chicken and chopped tomatoes are sold out everywhere
Shelves are bare.
Manufacturers, distilleries and other businesses switch their lines to help make visors, masks, hand sanitiser and PPE.
All non-essential travel banned.
Fines are established for breaking the rules. Police patrolling the streets.
Arenas open up for the overflow of Covid-19 patients.
Press conferences daily from the government.
The government throws money at businesses to try to keep the economy from imploding. Grants and loans. The government to pay 80% of employees wages where businesses cannot continue to do so.
Daily updates on new cases and deaths.
Only 10 people can attend wakes or funerals and barely anyone is allowed at the graveside.
Barely anyone on the roads.
People wearing masks and gloves outside.
Essential key workers are terrified to go to work.
Medical field workers are afraid to go home to their families.

This is the Novel Coronavirus (Covid-19) Pandemic, declared March 11th, 2020.

Why, you ask, do I write this status?

One day it will show up in my memory feed, and it will be a yearly reminder that life is precious and not to take the things we dearly love for granted.

We have so much!
Be thankful. Be grateful.
Be kind to each other – love one another – support everyone.

I went up to the supermarket earlier today and noticed there wasn’t any sardines.

Marianne Faithfull hospitalised with coronavirus

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/apr/04/marianne-faithfull-hospitalised-with-coronavirus

sibeen said:

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

I’ve seen fabulous doctors, and i’ve seen some who everyone wanted to kick up the arse. Hard.

And some nurses. And some admin people.

and some volunteers and some checkout people and some police folk and some detectives and some movie producers and some actors and some writers and some teachers and some engineers and some IT people and some …

How the hell did engineers get dragged into this?

She left me out…

sibeen said:

I went up to the supermarket earlier today and noticed there wasn’t any sardines.

weren’t

sibeen said:

I went up to the supermarket earlier today and noticed there wasn’t any sardines.

Another supermarket might have them.

Bubblecar said:

Marianne Faithfull hospitalised with coronavirus

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/apr/04/marianne-faithfull-hospitalised-with-coronavirus

Pink hospitalised with coronavirus too

Coincidence?

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

and some volunteers and some checkout people and some police folk and some detectives and some movie producers and some actors and some writers and some teachers and some engineers and some IT people and some …

How the hell did engineers get dragged into this?

She left me out…

I don’t know enough optometrists to make that call.

Rule 303 said:

There’s a bit of this going ‘round on Farcebook:

Just so I NEVER forget….. April 4 2020

Australia has 5,687 cases
America as 312,000 cases

Scott Morrison is the PM.
Mark McGowan is the Premier of Western Australia.
Petrol price at BP was 99.9
Schools cancelled
Australia locks its boarders to the world.
Western Australia will close its boarders to the rest of Australia on Sunday 5/4/2020 at 11:59am.
West Australia can not travel between territories. Can’t travel down South and up North.
Easter holidays to be spent in your home.
Self-distancing measures on the rise.
Tape on the floors at shops to help distance shoppers (2m) from each other.
Limited number of people inside shops, therefore, lineups outside the doors.
Non-essential shops and businesses starting to close.
Pubs, theatres, restaurants are closed.
Entire sports seasons cancelled.
Concerts, tours, festivals, entertainment events – cancelled.
Weddings, family celebrations, holiday gatherings – cancelled.
Churches are closed.
Don’t socialise with anyone outside of your home.
Children’s outdoor play parks are closed.
We are to distance from each other.
Shortage of masks, gowns, gloves for our front-line workers.
Shortage of ventilators for the critically ill.
Panic buying sets in and we have no toilet paper, no disinfecting supplies, no paper towel no laundry soap, no hand sanitiser.
Bread, pasta, flour, eggs, chicken and chopped tomatoes are sold out everywhere
Shelves are bare.
Manufacturers, distilleries and other businesses switch their lines to help make visors, masks, hand sanitiser and PPE.
All non-essential travel banned.
Fines are established for breaking the rules. Police patrolling the streets.
Arenas open up for the overflow of Covid-19 patients.
Press conferences daily from the government.
The government throws money at businesses to try to keep the economy from imploding. Grants and loans. The government to pay 80% of employees wages where businesses cannot continue to do so.
Daily updates on new cases and deaths.
Only 10 people can attend wakes or funerals and barely anyone is allowed at the graveside.
Barely anyone on the roads.
People wearing masks and gloves outside.
Essential key workers are terrified to go to work.
Medical field workers are afraid to go home to their families.

This is the Novel Coronavirus (Covid-19) Pandemic, declared March 11th, 2020.

Why, you ask, do I write this status?

One day it will show up in my memory feed, and it will be a yearly reminder that life is precious and not to take the things we dearly love for granted.

We have so much!
Be thankful. Be grateful.
Be kind to each other – love one another – support everyone.

Kumbayah

Rule 303 said:

There’s a bit of this going ‘round on Farcebook:

Just so I NEVER forget….. April 4 2020

Australia has 5,687 cases
America as 312,000 cases

Scott Morrison is the PM.
Mark McGowan is the Premier of Western Australia.
Petrol price at BP was 99.9
Schools cancelled
Australia locks its boarders to the world.
Western Australia will close its boarders to the rest of Australia on Sunday 5/4/2020 at 11:59am.
West Australia can not travel between territories. Can’t travel down South and up North.
Easter holidays to be spent in your home.
Self-distancing measures on the rise.
Tape on the floors at shops to help distance shoppers (2m) from each other.
Limited number of people inside shops, therefore, lineups outside the doors.
Non-essential shops and businesses starting to close.
Pubs, theatres, restaurants are closed.
Entire sports seasons cancelled.
Concerts, tours, festivals, entertainment events – cancelled.
Weddings, family celebrations, holiday gatherings – cancelled.
Churches are closed.
Don’t socialise with anyone outside of your home.
Children’s outdoor play parks are closed.
We are to distance from each other.
Shortage of masks, gowns, gloves for our front-line workers.
Shortage of ventilators for the critically ill.
Panic buying sets in and we have no toilet paper, no disinfecting supplies, no paper towel no laundry soap, no hand sanitiser.
Bread, pasta, flour, eggs, chicken and chopped tomatoes are sold out everywhere
Shelves are bare.
Manufacturers, distilleries and other businesses switch their lines to help make visors, masks, hand sanitiser and PPE.
All non-essential travel banned.
Fines are established for breaking the rules. Police patrolling the streets.
Arenas open up for the overflow of Covid-19 patients.
Press conferences daily from the government.
The government throws money at businesses to try to keep the economy from imploding. Grants and loans. The government to pay 80% of employees wages where businesses cannot continue to do so.
Daily updates on new cases and deaths.
Only 10 people can attend wakes or funerals and barely anyone is allowed at the graveside.
Barely anyone on the roads.
People wearing masks and gloves outside.
Essential key workers are terrified to go to work.
Medical field workers are afraid to go home to their families.

This is the Novel Coronavirus (Covid-19) Pandemic, declared March 11th, 2020.

Why, you ask, do I write this status?

One day it will show up in my memory feed, and it will be a yearly reminder that life is precious and not to take the things we dearly love for granted.

We have so much!
Be thankful. Be grateful.
Be kind to each other – love one another – support everyone.

clearly some very cool person from WA wrote that

Arts said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

How the hell did engineers get dragged into this?

She left me out…

I don’t know enough optometrists to make that call.

You could put them in…

British 5G towers are being set on fire amid coronavirus conspiracy theories

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

There’s a bit of this going ‘round on Farcebook:

Just so I NEVER forget….. April 4 2020

Australia has 5,687 cases
America as 312,000 cases

Scott Morrison is the PM.
Mark McGowan is the Premier of Western Australia.
Petrol price at BP was 99.9
Schools cancelled
Australia locks its boarders to the world.
Western Australia will close its boarders to the rest of Australia on Sunday 5/4/2020 at 11:59am.
West Australia can not travel between territories. Can’t travel down South and up North.
Easter holidays to be spent in your home.
Self-distancing measures on the rise.
Tape on the floors at shops to help distance shoppers (2m) from each other.
Limited number of people inside shops, therefore, lineups outside the doors.
Non-essential shops and businesses starting to close.
Pubs, theatres, restaurants are closed.
Entire sports seasons cancelled.
Concerts, tours, festivals, entertainment events – cancelled.
Weddings, family celebrations, holiday gatherings – cancelled.
Churches are closed.
Don’t socialise with anyone outside of your home.
Children’s outdoor play parks are closed.
We are to distance from each other.
Shortage of masks, gowns, gloves for our front-line workers.
Shortage of ventilators for the critically ill.
Panic buying sets in and we have no toilet paper, no disinfecting supplies, no paper towel no laundry soap, no hand sanitiser.
Bread, pasta, flour, eggs, chicken and chopped tomatoes are sold out everywhere
Shelves are bare.
Manufacturers, distilleries and other businesses switch their lines to help make visors, masks, hand sanitiser and PPE.
All non-essential travel banned.
Fines are established for breaking the rules. Police patrolling the streets.
Arenas open up for the overflow of Covid-19 patients.
Press conferences daily from the government.
The government throws money at businesses to try to keep the economy from imploding. Grants and loans. The government to pay 80% of employees wages where businesses cannot continue to do so.
Daily updates on new cases and deaths.
Only 10 people can attend wakes or funerals and barely anyone is allowed at the graveside.
Barely anyone on the roads.
People wearing masks and gloves outside.
Essential key workers are terrified to go to work.
Medical field workers are afraid to go home to their families.

This is the Novel Coronavirus (Covid-19) Pandemic, declared March 11th, 2020.

Why, you ask, do I write this status?

One day it will show up in my memory feed, and it will be a yearly reminder that life is precious and not to take the things we dearly love for granted.

We have so much!
Be thankful. Be grateful.
Be kind to each other – love one another – support everyone.

Kumbayah

Oh lord.

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

There’s a bit of this going ‘round on Farcebook:

Just so I NEVER forget….. April 4 2020

Australia has 5,687 cases
America as 312,000 cases

Scott Morrison is the PM.
Mark McGowan is the Premier of Western Australia.
Petrol price at BP was 99.9
Schools cancelled
Australia locks its boarders to the world.
Western Australia will close its boarders to the rest of Australia on Sunday 5/4/2020 at 11:59am.
West Australia can not travel between territories. Can’t travel down South and up North.
Easter holidays to be spent in your home.
Self-distancing measures on the rise.
Tape on the floors at shops to help distance shoppers (2m) from each other.
Limited number of people inside shops, therefore, lineups outside the doors.
Non-essential shops and businesses starting to close.
Pubs, theatres, restaurants are closed.
Entire sports seasons cancelled.
Concerts, tours, festivals, entertainment events – cancelled.
Weddings, family celebrations, holiday gatherings – cancelled.
Churches are closed.
Don’t socialise with anyone outside of your home.
Children’s outdoor play parks are closed.
We are to distance from each other.
Shortage of masks, gowns, gloves for our front-line workers.
Shortage of ventilators for the critically ill.
Panic buying sets in and we have no toilet paper, no disinfecting supplies, no paper towel no laundry soap, no hand sanitiser.
Bread, pasta, flour, eggs, chicken and chopped tomatoes are sold out everywhere
Shelves are bare.
Manufacturers, distilleries and other businesses switch their lines to help make visors, masks, hand sanitiser and PPE.
All non-essential travel banned.
Fines are established for breaking the rules. Police patrolling the streets.
Arenas open up for the overflow of Covid-19 patients.
Press conferences daily from the government.
The government throws money at businesses to try to keep the economy from imploding. Grants and loans. The government to pay 80% of employees wages where businesses cannot continue to do so.
Daily updates on new cases and deaths.
Only 10 people can attend wakes or funerals and barely anyone is allowed at the graveside.
Barely anyone on the roads.
People wearing masks and gloves outside.
Essential key workers are terrified to go to work.
Medical field workers are afraid to go home to their families.

This is the Novel Coronavirus (Covid-19) Pandemic, declared March 11th, 2020.

Why, you ask, do I write this status?

One day it will show up in my memory feed, and it will be a yearly reminder that life is precious and not to take the things we dearly love for granted.

We have so much!
Be thankful. Be grateful.
Be kind to each other – love one another – support everyone.

clearly some very cool person from WA wrote that

except for the “boarders”.

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Google’s COVID-19 reports show where people are obeying stay-at-home orders

Covid-19’s death toll appears higher than official figures suggest
Measuring the total number of deaths tells a grimmer tale

APR 4TH 2020

The spread of covid-19 is most often measured by two numbers: how many people are infected, and how many have died. The first is very uncertain. Some carriers show no symptoms, and most countries do not test people who seem healthy. Because data on infections are unreliable, researchers have focused on deaths. Yet new statistics suggest that current fatality numbers may also understate the damage.

Official death tolls for covid-19 may exclude people who died before they could be tested. They also ignore people who succumbed to other causes, perhaps because hospitals had no room to treat them. The latter group has been large in other disasters. For example, when Hurricane Maria struck Puerto Rico in 2017, America recorded only 64 deaths. A study later found that the surge in total deaths was close to 3,000. Many occurred in hospitals that lost power.

Such analysis is not yet possible for nations battling covid-19. The only European country whose total death rate (as calculated by Euromomo, a research group) had spiked by March 20th was Italy. This estimate is based on a group of cities. Unfortunately, Italy does not break down covid-19 deaths by city, precluding a comparison of covid-19 and total deaths in the same area.

However, journalists and scholars have crunched their own numbers. L’Eco di Bergamo, a newspaper, has obtained data from 82 localities in Italy’s Bergamo province. In March these places had 2,420 more deaths than in March 2019. Just 1,140, less than half of the increase, were attributed to covid-19. “The data is the tip of the iceberg,” Giorgio Gori, the mayor of Bergamo’s capital, told L’Eco. “Too many victims are not included in the reports because they die at home.”

Comparable figures can be found across Europe. In Spain El País, a newspaper, has published the results of a study by the government’s health research centre, showing that “excess” deaths in the Castile-La Mancha region were double the number attributed to covid-19. Jean-Marc Manach, a French reporter, has found a similar disparity in the department of Haut-Rhin.

These differences may shrink over time. Official counts of covid-19 fatalities could be updated to include people who have already died, because confirming the cause sometimes takes several days. The toll from other types of death might fall soon: lockdowns could reduce accidents and violence, and many frail covid-19 victims were already likely to die of other causes. And mortality data are noisy in smaller regions—especially hard-hit ones that may not be representative of entire countries.

Still, the official covid-19 count will always seem too low in places like Nembro, a Bergamasque town of 11,000 people. It suffered 152 deaths in March, with only 39 attributed to the virus so far. “Almost all the old people got it,” says Luca Foresti, a researcher. “And therefore they died, a lot.” ■

…

Some good graphics as the URL too.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/03/covid-19s-death-toll-appears-higher-than-official-figures-suggest

Witty Rejoinder said:

Covid-19’s death toll appears higher than official figures suggest
Measuring the total number of deaths tells a grimmer tale

APR 4TH 2020

The spread of covid-19 is most often measured by two numbers: how many people are infected, and how many have died. The first is very uncertain. Some carriers show no symptoms, and most countries do not test people who seem healthy. Because data on infections are unreliable, researchers have focused on deaths. Yet new statistics suggest that current fatality numbers may also understate the damage.

Official death tolls for covid-19 may exclude people who died before they could be tested. They also ignore people who succumbed to other causes, perhaps because hospitals had no room to treat them. The latter group has been large in other disasters. For example, when Hurricane Maria struck Puerto Rico in 2017, America recorded only 64 deaths. A study later found that the surge in total deaths was close to 3,000. Many occurred in hospitals that lost power.

Such analysis is not yet possible for nations battling covid-19. The only European country whose total death rate (as calculated by Euromomo, a research group) had spiked by March 20th was Italy. This estimate is based on a group of cities. Unfortunately, Italy does not break down covid-19 deaths by city, precluding a comparison of covid-19 and total deaths in the same area.

However, journalists and scholars have crunched their own numbers. L’Eco di Bergamo, a newspaper, has obtained data from 82 localities in Italy’s Bergamo province. In March these places had 2,420 more deaths than in March 2019. Just 1,140, less than half of the increase, were attributed to covid-19. “The data is the tip of the iceberg,” Giorgio Gori, the mayor of Bergamo’s capital, told L’Eco. “Too many victims are not included in the reports because they die at home.”

Comparable figures can be found across Europe. In Spain El País, a newspaper, has published the results of a study by the government’s health research centre, showing that “excess” deaths in the Castile-La Mancha region were double the number attributed to covid-19. Jean-Marc Manach, a French reporter, has found a similar disparity in the department of Haut-Rhin.

These differences may shrink over time. Official counts of covid-19 fatalities could be updated to include people who have already died, because confirming the cause sometimes takes several days. The toll from other types of death might fall soon: lockdowns could reduce accidents and violence, and many frail covid-19 victims were already likely to die of other causes. And mortality data are noisy in smaller regions—especially hard-hit ones that may not be representative of entire countries.

Still, the official covid-19 count will always seem too low in places like Nembro, a Bergamasque town of 11,000 people. It suffered 152 deaths in March, with only 39 attributed to the virus so far. “Almost all the old people got it,” says Luca Foresti, a researcher. “And therefore they died, a lot.” ■

…

Some good graphics as the URL too.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/03/covid-19s-death-toll-appears-higher-than-official-figures-suggest

Similar style article over at the Gran.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/04/why-what-we-think-we-know-about-the-uks-coronavirus-death-toll-is-wrong

The Australian Goverment has 30 million face masks in stock, and will make 10 available immediately for healthcare workers.

Good stuff. At least we are nt running out.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/coronavirus-australia-live-blog-updates-covid-19-april-5/12122460

party_pants said:

The Australian Goverment has 30 million face masks in stock, and will make 10 available immediately for healthcare workers.

Good stuff. At least we are nt running out.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/coronavirus-australia-live-blog-updates-covid-19-april-5/12122460

Come on, they are going to need more than ten

dv said:

party_pants said:

The Australian Goverment has 30 million face masks in stock, and will make 10 available immediately for healthcare workers.

Good stuff. At least we are nt running out.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/coronavirus-australia-live-blog-updates-covid-19-april-5/12122460

Come on, they are going to need more than ten

there’s still another 20 when they run out

party_pants said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

The Australian Goverment has 30 million face masks in stock, and will make 10 available immediately for healthcare workers.

Good stuff. At least we are nt running out.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/coronavirus-australia-live-blog-updates-covid-19-april-5/12122460

Come on, they are going to need more than ten

there’s still another 20 when they run out

do we even have a million healthcare workers

party_pants said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

The Australian Goverment has 30 million face masks in stock, and will make 10 available immediately for healthcare workers.

Good stuff. At least we are nt running out.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/coronavirus-australia-live-blog-updates-covid-19-april-5/12122460

Come on, they are going to need more than ten

there’s still another 20 when they run out

Well there will be another 29999990 when they run out

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Come on, they are going to need more than ten

there’s still another 20 when they run out

do we even have a million healthcare workers

Dunno. I’d say that would be the upper limit. The lower number would be at least 7, based upon how many I know personally.

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Come on, they are going to need more than ten

there’s still another 20 when they run out

Well there will be another 29999990 when they run out

ah sorry.

10 million will be made available immediately.

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Come on, they are going to need more than ten

there’s still another 20 when they run out

Well there will be another 29999990 when they run out

they’re really going for that fattening of the curve hey, gotta stretch that mask release out big time

party_pants said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

there’s still another 20 when they run out

Well there will be another 29999990 when they run out

ah sorry.

10 million will be made available immediately.

I’m sorry to be pedantic except I’m totally not sorry

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Well there will be another 29999990 when they run out

ah sorry.

10 million will be made available immediately.

I’m sorry to be pedantic except I’m totally not sorry

i know i was wrong
for treating you with chloroquine
(the way i did)
i have so much on my ward
i didn’t know where you fit in
(where you fit in)
and if i could
do it all over again
(again)
i’ll never treat you that way
(i’ll never treat you that way again)
i apologize
for the pandemic i caused
and i just wanna say
(i just wanna say)
i’m sorry
(i’m sorry)
so sorry
(so sorry)
for treating you the way i did
(it won’t affect your baby)
i’m sorry
(i’m sorry)
so sorry
(so sorry)
for treating you the way i did

You know, with streets deserted everywhere, now would be the ideal time to get the GoogleMaps camera car out and doing a reshoot, unencumbered by all those pesky pedestrians.

Neophyte said:

You know, with streets deserted everywhere, now would be the ideal time to get the GoogleMaps camera car out and doing a reshoot, unencumbered by all those pesky pedestrians.

Doesn’t count as essential travel.

Plenty of roadworks being done around here

dv said:

Plenty of roadworks being done around here

similarly

Bubblecar said:

Neophyte said:

You know, with streets deserted everywhere, now would be the ideal time to get the GoogleMaps camera car out and doing a reshoot, unencumbered by all those pesky pedestrians.

Doesn’t count as essential travel.

they could do the autonomous thing, and/or since they claim to be helping governments with their lockdown policies, they’d probably get away with it too

Stupid Swedes “might” be changing their tactics.

Sweden prepares for possible tighter coronavirus measures as deaths rise

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/sweden-prepares-to-tighten-coronavirus-measures-as-death-toll-climbs

dv said:

Plenty of roadworks being done around here

Same. The intersection one road down from me is being widened. There’s a temporary speed limit of 40 (usually 60) with a speed sign which flashes your current speed and a smiley or sad face depending on your speed.

I was waiting at a red light the other day when an ambulance came through. Had to laugh when the speed sign flashed 70 with a sad face at the ambo.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Plenty of roadworks being done around here

Same. The intersection one road down from me is being widened. There’s a temporary speed limit of 40 (usually 60) with a speed sign which flashes your current speed and a smiley or sad face depending on your speed.

I was waiting at a red light the other day when an ambulance came through. Had to laugh when the speed sign flashed 70 with a sad face at the ambo.

Some people can get away with anything.

I’m guessing this will prove to be her last ever public broadcast:

‘We will meet again’: Queen urges Britons to stay strong

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/queen-urges-britons-stay-strong-coronavirus-covid-lockdown

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Plenty of roadworks being done around here

Same. The intersection one road down from me is being widened. There’s a temporary speed limit of 40 (usually 60) with a speed sign which flashes your current speed and a smiley or sad face depending on your speed.

I was waiting at a red light the other day when an ambulance came through. Had to laugh when the speed sign flashed 70 with a sad face at the ambo.

Some people can get away with anything.

Mr buffy maintains he does not need to speed in our private cars because he did all his speeding while working. And anyway amber light for amberlance, green lights are “ambulance green”.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Same. The intersection one road down from me is being widened. There’s a temporary speed limit of 40 (usually 60) with a speed sign which flashes your current speed and a smiley or sad face depending on your speed.

I was waiting at a red light the other day when an ambulance came through. Had to laugh when the speed sign flashed 70 with a sad face at the ambo.

Some people can get away with anything.

Mr buffy maintains he does not need to speed in our private cars because he did all his speeding while working. And anyway amber light for amberlance, green lights are “ambulance green”.

Whoops, red lights are “ambulance green”.

Bubblecar said:

I’m guessing this will prove to be her last ever public broadcast:

‘We will meet again’: Queen urges Britons to stay strong

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/queen-urges-britons-stay-strong-coronavirus-covid-lockdown

Why would you say that?

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m guessing this will prove to be her last ever public broadcast:

‘We will meet again’: Queen urges Britons to stay strong

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/queen-urges-britons-stay-strong-coronavirus-covid-lockdown

Why would you say that?

She’ll be carking it before Xmas.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Same. The intersection one road down from me is being widened. There’s a temporary speed limit of 40 (usually 60) with a speed sign which flashes your current speed and a smiley or sad face depending on your speed.

I was waiting at a red light the other day when an ambulance came through. Had to laugh when the speed sign flashed 70 with a sad face at the ambo.

Some people can get away with anything.

Mr buffy maintains he does not need to speed in our private cars because he did all his speeding while working. And anyway amber light for amberlance, green lights are “ambulance green”.

:) flashing lights and siren means get out of our way.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m guessing this will prove to be her last ever public broadcast:

‘We will meet again’: Queen urges Britons to stay strong

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/queen-urges-britons-stay-strong-coronavirus-covid-lockdown

Why would you say that?

Dunno either. Her mother lived past 100 and she was pickled in gin.

Bubblecar said:

I’m guessing this will prove to be her last ever public broadcast:

‘We will meet again’: Queen urges Britons to stay strong

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/queen-urges-britons-stay-strong-coronavirus-covid-lockdown

Might be close to Bojo’s las speech as well.
He’s taken a turn for the worst.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m guessing this will prove to be her last ever public broadcast:

‘We will meet again’: Queen urges Britons to stay strong

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/queen-urges-britons-stay-strong-coronavirus-covid-lockdown

Might be close to Bojo’s las speech as well.
He’s taken a turn for the worst.

From what I hear he’s just been taken in for tests, not IC etc.

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m guessing this will prove to be her last ever public broadcast:

‘We will meet again’: Queen urges Britons to stay strong

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/queen-urges-britons-stay-strong-coronavirus-covid-lockdown

Might be close to Bojo’s las speech as well.
He’s taken a turn for the worst.

From what I hear he’s just been taken in for tests, not IC etc.

why would you have to have the tests in hospital if not for worse

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Plenty of roadworks being done around here

Same. The intersection one road down from me is being widened. There’s a temporary speed limit of 40 (usually 60) with a speed sign which flashes your current speed and a smiley or sad face depending on your speed.

I was waiting at a red light the other day when an ambulance came through. Had to laugh when the speed sign flashed 70 with a sad face at the ambo.

was that the patient’s age

The Federal Government is unlocking $5 million to help local newspapers and publishers survive during the COVID-19 pandemic.

—

probably good, but we’ll see if they start singing the praises of the incumbent

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m guessing this will prove to be her last ever public broadcast:

‘We will meet again’: Queen urges Britons to stay strong

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/queen-urges-britons-stay-strong-coronavirus-covid-lockdown

Might be close to Bojo’s las speech as well.
He’s taken a turn for the worst.

It is quite usual for COVID-19 sufferers to be heading to a hospital by the tenth day.

One of the businesses fined in recent days was a brothel operating in the Geelong area.

Police said the business was so busy it created a “traffic jam” in the street.

—

but sarge it was essential

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Some people can get away with anything.

Mr buffy maintains he does not need to speed in our private cars because he did all his speeding while working. And anyway amber light for amberlance, green lights are “ambulance green”.

:) flashing lights and siren means get out of our way.

Morning all.
We have much the same with the fire truck.
Obey the road rules when possible. Only speed or run red lights when absolutely necessary.

Diabolical dilemma looms even after coronavirus curve is flattened

https://www.theage.com.au/national/diabolical-dilemma-looms-even-after-coronavirus-curve-is-flattened-20200403-p54grd.html

Tigers test positive to COVID-19 in US zoo.

https://abc7ny.com/pets-animals/tiger-at-bronx-zoo-in-nyc-tests-positive-for-covid-19/6079276/

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Mr buffy maintains he does not need to speed in our private cars because he did all his speeding while working. And anyway amber light for amberlance, green lights are “ambulance green”.

:) flashing lights and siren means get out of our way.

Morning all.
We have much the same with the fire truck.
Obey the road rules when possible. Only speed or run red lights when absolutely necessary.

Something about being able to do that “when safe and expedient to do so”. As soon as you crash, it wasn’t “safe and expedient” so you are at fault. I’ve heard Mr buffy explain that so many times…

Divine Angel said:

Tigers test positive to COVID-19 in US zoo.

https://abc7ny.com/pets-animals/tiger-at-bronx-zoo-in-nyc-tests-positive-for-covid-19/6079276/

There are non human corona viruses too, apparently well known in veterinary circles.

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Tigers test positive to COVID-19 in US zoo.

https://abc7ny.com/pets-animals/tiger-at-bronx-zoo-in-nyc-tests-positive-for-covid-19/6079276/

There are non human corona viruses too, apparently well known in veterinary circles.

Yes but COVID-19 is known to affect humans as well.

buffy said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

:) flashing lights and siren means get out of our way.

Morning all.
We have much the same with the fire truck.
Obey the road rules when possible. Only speed or run red lights when absolutely necessary.

Something about being able to do that “when safe and expedient to do so”. As soon as you crash, it wasn’t “safe and expedient” so you are at fault. I’ve heard Mr buffy explain that so many times…

A very real judgement call.
The other motorist is also at fault for not clearing the road for an emergency vehicle displaying flashing lights & siren.

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Tamb said:

Morning all.
We have much the same with the fire truck.
Obey the road rules when possible. Only speed or run red lights when absolutely necessary.

Something about being able to do that “when safe and expedient to do so”. As soon as you crash, it wasn’t “safe and expedient” so you are at fault. I’ve heard Mr buffy explain that so many times…

A very real judgement call.
The other motorist is also at fault for not clearing the road for an emergency vehicle displaying flashing lights & siren.

Supposed to pull off the road and allow to pass. Yes.

When running a red light with siren and flashing lights, please still exercise caution and risk management.

I’m 72 and still haven’t driven anything with a siren and flashing lights.
There’s still time, still time.
sits down again

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m 72 and still haven’t driven anything with a siren and flashing lights.
There’s still time, still time.
sits down again

Fairynuff. Neither have I though not quite as venerably aged as thyself.

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m 72 and still haven’t driven anything with a siren and flashing lights.
There’s still time, still time.
sits down again

Fairynuff. Neither have I though not quite as venerably aged as thyself.

and why is it the corona thread? Ah, the dementia.

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m 72 and still haven’t driven anything with a siren and flashing lights.
There’s still time, still time.
sits down again

At the age of seventy two
He realized he’d never ride
Through Paris in a cop car
With the warm wind in his hair

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Tigers test positive to COVID-19 in US zoo.

https://abc7ny.com/pets-animals/tiger-at-bronx-zoo-in-nyc-tests-positive-for-covid-19/6079276/

There are non human corona viruses too, apparently well known in veterinary circles.

Cats and ferrets may be susceptible to infection by SARS CoV-2.

“Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) causes the infectious disease COVID-19, which was first reported in Wuhan, China in December, 2019. Despite the tremendous efforts to control the disease, COVID-19 has now spread to over 100 countries and caused a global pandemic. SARS-CoV-2 is thought to have originated in bats; however, the intermediate animal sources of the virus are completely unknown. Here, we investigated the susceptibility of ferrets and animals in close contact with humans to SARS-CoV-2. We found that SARS-CoV-2 replicates poorly in dogs, pigs, chickens, and ducks, but efficiently in ferrets and cats. We found that the virus transmits in cats via respiratory droplets. Our study provides important insights into the animal reservoirs of SARS-CoV-2 and animal management for COVID-19 control.”

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.015347v1

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Something about being able to do that “when safe and expedient to do so”. As soon as you crash, it wasn’t “safe and expedient” so you are at fault. I’ve heard Mr buffy explain that so many times…

A very real judgement call.
The other motorist is also at fault for not clearing the road for an emergency vehicle displaying flashing lights & siren.

Supposed to pull off the road and allow to pass. Yes.

When running a red light with siren and flashing lights, please still exercise caution and risk management.

Of course.

Is capitalism dying or just in isolation during the coronavirus pandemic?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-06/is-capitalism-dying-or-just-in-isolation-coronavirus/12123874

Bubblecar said:

Is capitalism dying or just in isolation during the coronavirus pandemic?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-06/is-capitalism-dying-or-just-in-isolation-coronavirus/12123874

but that fella wants war

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Tigers test positive to COVID-19 in US zoo.

https://abc7ny.com/pets-animals/tiger-at-bronx-zoo-in-nyc-tests-positive-for-covid-19/6079276/

There are non human corona viruses too, apparently well known in veterinary circles.

tigers, now they’re probably asking themselves, “why the did you eat those humans”

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Is capitalism dying or just in isolation during the coronavirus pandemic?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-06/is-capitalism-dying-or-just-in-isolation-coronavirus/12123874

but that fella wants war

I can say that floor area space is now at a premium.

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m 72 and still haven’t driven anything with a siren and flashing lights.
There’s still time, still time.
sits down again

Fairynuff. Neither have I though not quite as venerably aged as thyself.

Fire trucks are the best. Big & bright yellow.
Ambos & police have bad things at the end of their drive, we have an adrenaline rush.

Bubblecar said:

Diabolical dilemma looms even after coronavirus curve is flattened

https://www.theage.com.au/national/diabolical-dilemma-looms-even-after-coronavirus-curve-is-flattened-20200403-p54grd.html

again we see the convenient but highly misleading graphic in that article, “This graph shows the theory behind “flattening the curve”. Credit:Matthew Absalom-Wong”

sure it shows the “theory”

but it doesn’t show the reality

SCIENCE said:

here’s what it looks like:

• black for uncontrolled cases (transparency makes it grey)
• blue for uncontrolled severe cases
• green for flattened cases
• red for flattened severe cases

what’s that? Can’t see red? That’s because it’s 1000 times lower than the peak, and you don’t have enough pixels

so let’s zoom down a bit

ah, there’s the red, flattened to the level at which we are able to provide for ventilation of severe cases

by comparison, this is what they want you to see and believe

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Tigers test positive to COVID-19 in US zoo.

https://abc7ny.com/pets-animals/tiger-at-bronx-zoo-in-nyc-tests-positive-for-covid-19/6079276/

There are non human corona viruses too, apparently well known in veterinary circles.

tigers, now they’re probably asking themselves, “why the did you eat those humans”

LOL

buffy said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

:) flashing lights and siren means get out of our way.

Morning all.
We have much the same with the fire truck.
Obey the road rules when possible. Only speed or run red lights when absolutely necessary.

Something about being able to do that “when safe and expedient to do so”. As soon as you crash, it wasn’t “safe and expedient” so you are at fault. I’ve heard Mr buffy explain that so many times…

Yes, hindsight is always perfect; especially that of lawyers.

( I was about to say 20/20, then thought better of it :))

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Is capitalism dying or just in isolation during the coronavirus pandemic?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-06/is-capitalism-dying-or-just-in-isolation-coronavirus/12123874

but that fella wants war

Does he? Didn’t read that far.

I scanned the first page.

He’s a terrible either/orist, but I didn’t see any calls for war.

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

Even with the Ruby Princess we are doing well

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

The suburbs?

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

Good early evidence-driven government response

Peak Warming Man said:

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

The suburbs?

Low density living, areas to retreat to. Distance without trying.

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

We are an island, with cruise ships.

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

Big question is: when do we return to normal, and what happens then?

Inevitably the figures start climbing again.

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

Good early evidence-driven government response

That could have gone more quickly.

Not that I am complaining.

Peak Warming Man said:

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

The suburbs?

Low density living.

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

Good early evidence-driven government response

Sounds like something Trump would say.

Bubblecar said:

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

Big question is: when do we return to normal, and what happens then?

Inevitably the figures start climbing again.

The next two years will likely tell.

Tamb said:

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

Good early evidence-driven government response

Sounds like something Trump would DID say.

fixed.

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

The suburbs?

Low density living.

Possibly suburb not suburbs.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

Good early evidence-driven government response

Sounds like something Trump would DID say.

fixed.

Not about the Ruby Princess, he didn’t.

Bubblecar said:

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

Big question is: when do we return to normal, and what happens then?

Inevitably the figures start climbing again.

That’s the rub isn’t it, too early its could all start again, too late and everyone gets angsty, costs more money and jobs

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Sounds like something Trump would DID say.

fixed.

Not about the Ruby Princess, he didn’t.

I wonder how Trump will be remembered for this crisis, he seems to be acting as aloof (me being kind) as ever and it could cost thousands of lives.

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

Big question is: when do we return to normal, and what happens then?

Inevitably the figures start climbing again.

That’s the rub isn’t it, too early its could all start again, too late and everyone gets angsty, costs more money and jobs

It’s inevitably going to start again, whenever we stop the “social isolating”, until most people have immunity.

And this social isolation thing can’t be maintained for very long, it’s just not workable for more than a brief interlude.

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

fixed.

Not about the Ruby Princess, he didn’t.

I wonder how Trump will be remembered for this crisis, he seems to be acting as aloof (me being kind) as ever and it could cost thousands of lives.

He’s probably going to win the upcoming election.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Sounds like something Trump would DID say.

fixed.

Not about the Ruby Princess, he didn’t.

True.

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

fixed.

Not about the Ruby Princess, he didn’t.

I wonder how Trump will be remembered for this crisis, he seems to be acting as aloof (me being kind) as ever and it could cost thousands of lives.

His followers are blind to his failures. Nobody else is fooled.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

There are non human corona viruses too, apparently well known in veterinary circles.

tigers, now they’re probably asking themselves, “why the did you eat those humans”

LOL

Dammit…doesn’t infect by ingestion…but never mind, it was a clever thought…

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

Good early evidence-driven government response

With a little push from Dan and Gladys near the beginning…

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Big question is: when do we return to normal, and what happens then?

Inevitably the figures start climbing again.

That’s the rub isn’t it, too early its could all start again, too late and everyone gets angsty, costs more money and jobs

It’s inevitably going to start again, whenever we stop the “social isolating”, until most people have immunity.

And this social isolation thing can’t be maintained for very long, it’s just not workable for more than a brief interlude.

Social distancing is inconvenient. Death is permanent.

sibeen said:

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Not about the Ruby Princess, he didn’t.

I wonder how Trump will be remembered for this crisis, he seems to be acting as aloof (me being kind) as ever and it could cost thousands of lives.

He’s probably going to win the upcoming election.

damn you, now i’m going to be unhappy for the next 5 years.

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

That’s the rub isn’t it, too early its could all start again, too late and everyone gets angsty, costs more money and jobs

It’s inevitably going to start again, whenever we stop the “social isolating”, until most people have immunity.

And this social isolation thing can’t be maintained for very long, it’s just not workable for more than a brief interlude.

Social distancing is inconvenient. Death is permanent.

For people in circumstances like you and Awesome, it’s certainly advisable to follow that strategy for the long term.

But it’s just not possible for the majority of the population to live like that for the rest of their lives, and still have a functioning society.

AwesomeO said:

Peak Warming Man said:

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

The suburbs?

Low density living, areas to retreat to. Distance without trying.

truth

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

That’s the rub isn’t it, too early its could all start again, too late and everyone gets angsty, costs more money and jobs

It’s inevitably going to start again, whenever we stop the “social isolating”, until most people have immunity.

And this social isolation thing can’t be maintained for very long, it’s just not workable for more than a brief interlude.

Social distancing is inconvenient. Death is permanent.

Yes.

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Cymek said:

I wonder how Trump will be remembered for this crisis, he seems to be acting as aloof (me being kind) as ever and it could cost thousands of lives.

He’s probably going to win the upcoming election.

damn you, now i’m going to be unhappy for the next 5 years.

My work here is done.

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s inevitably going to start again, whenever we stop the “social isolating”, until most people have immunity.

And this social isolation thing can’t be maintained for very long, it’s just not workable for more than a brief interlude.

Social distancing is inconvenient. Death is permanent.

For people in circumstances like you and Awesome, it’s certainly advisable to follow that strategy for the long term.

But it’s just not possible for the majority of the population to live like that for the rest of their lives, and still have a functioning society.

The vaccine will probably happen some time in the mid term future.

buffy said:

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

We would have a brilliant record if not for the input of the ruby princess. What can we put that down to, the suburbs is one I like. Plus we closed up early compared to other places.

Good early evidence-driven government response

With a little push from Dan and Gladys near the beginning…

well that was the evidence wasn’t it, that states can do better than federal

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s inevitably going to start again, whenever we stop the “social isolating”, until most people have immunity.

And this social isolation thing can’t be maintained for very long, it’s just not workable for more than a brief interlude.

Social distancing is inconvenient. Death is permanent.

For people in circumstances like you and Awesome, it’s certainly advisable to follow that strategy for the long term.

But it’s just not possible for the majority of the population to live like that for the rest of their lives, and still have a functioning society.

disagree

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s inevitably going to start again, whenever we stop the “social isolating”, until most people have immunity.

And this social isolation thing can’t be maintained for very long, it’s just not workable for more than a brief interlude.

Social distancing is inconvenient. Death is permanent.

Yes.

The lack of people around is fantastic but that’s me

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Social distancing is inconvenient. Death is permanent.

For people in circumstances like you and Awesome, it’s certainly advisable to follow that strategy for the long term.

But it’s just not possible for the majority of the population to live like that for the rest of their lives, and still have a functioning society.

The vaccine will probably happen some time in the mid term future.

Let’s hope so.

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s inevitably going to start again, whenever we stop the “social isolating”, until most people have immunity.

And this social isolation thing can’t be maintained for very long, it’s just not workable for more than a brief interlude.

Social distancing is inconvenient. Death is permanent.

For people in circumstances like you and Awesome, it’s certainly advisable to follow that strategy for the long term.

But it’s just not possible for the majority of the population to live like that for the rest of their lives, and still have a functioning society.

US PREPPERS WARNED YOUSE, YOU THOUGHT WE WERE NUTS.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-06/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-leadership/12124300

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Social distancing is inconvenient. Death is permanent.

For people in circumstances like you and Awesome, it’s certainly advisable to follow that strategy for the long term.

But it’s just not possible for the majority of the population to live like that for the rest of their lives, and still have a functioning society.

US PREPPERS WARNED YOUSE, YOU THOUGHT WE WERE NUTS.

Well, you are nuts.

You just got lucky.

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Social distancing is inconvenient. Death is permanent.

For people in circumstances like you and Awesome, it’s certainly advisable to follow that strategy for the long term.

But it’s just not possible for the majority of the population to live like that for the rest of their lives, and still have a functioning society.

disagree

Not in the form of current restrictions. Can’t meet in public in groups larger than two, can’t leave your home except to shop or exercise blah blah blah.

Such restrictions are not sustainable for the long term.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Social distancing is inconvenient. Death is permanent.

For people in circumstances like you and Awesome, it’s certainly advisable to follow that strategy for the long term.

But it’s just not possible for the majority of the population to live like that for the rest of their lives, and still have a functioning society.

US PREPPERS WARNED YOUSE, YOU THOUGHT WE WERE NUTS.

No, we thought you were fucking nuts.

Good thing about this for America is if things get worse ( and I suspect they will) it will be impetus toward a proper universal health scheme, kicking the insurers to the kerb and a social security compact, probably food stamps with an extra money component for rent. …which will get rorted and distorted.

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

For people in circumstances like you and Awesome, it’s certainly advisable to follow that strategy for the long term.

But it’s just not possible for the majority of the population to live like that for the rest of their lives, and still have a functioning society.

The vaccine will probably happen some time in the mid term future.

Let’s hope so.

But then it will mutate and wipe out all of us, ALL OF US AND THERE WILL BE NO LIFE LEFT ANYWHERE AND THE UNIVERSE WILL CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE TO OBSERVE IT AND IT’S PURPOSE BECOMES POINTLESS.

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

For people in circumstances like you and Awesome, it’s certainly advisable to follow that strategy for the long term.

But it’s just not possible for the majority of the population to live like that for the rest of their lives, and still have a functioning society.

disagree

Not in the form of current restrictions. Can’t meet in public in groups larger than two, can’t leave your home except to shop or exercise blah blah blah.

Such restrictions are not sustainable for the long term.

ok true, groups of 2 is a bit small, but the places that got control early are allowing at least 3 now (for example)

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

The vaccine will probably happen some time in the mid term future.

Let’s hope so.

But then it will mutate and wipe out all of us, ALL OF US AND THERE WILL BE NO LIFE LEFT ANYWHERE AND THE UNIVERSE WILL CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE TO OBSERVE IT AND IT’S PURPOSE BECOMES POINTLESS.

So what did you need the guns for?

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

The vaccine will probably happen some time in the mid term future.

Let’s hope so.

But then it will mutate and wipe out all of us, ALL OF US AND THERE WILL BE NO LIFE LEFT ANYWHERE AND THE UNIVERSE WILL CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE TO OBSERVE IT AND IT’S PURPOSE BECOMES POINTLESS.

What about the thousands of other occupied planets?

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

The vaccine will probably happen some time in the mid term future.

Let’s hope so.

But then it will mutate and wipe out all of us, ALL OF US AND THERE WILL BE NO LIFE LEFT ANYWHERE AND THE UNIVERSE WILL CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE TO OBSERVE IT AND IT’S PURPOSE BECOMES POINTLESS.

So you mean it was created for the benefit of mankind, just like the Bible says?

In the article I linked, one idea that’s been suggested is to alternate between periods of social distance restrictions and periods of normality, with the restrictions re-introduced when the curve becomes too steep again etc.

To try to achieve herd immunity in manageable jumps, rather than a single death dive.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Let’s hope so.

But then it will mutate and wipe out all of us, ALL OF US AND THERE WILL BE NO LIFE LEFT ANYWHERE AND THE UNIVERSE WILL CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE TO OBSERVE IT AND IT’S PURPOSE BECOMES POINTLESS.

What about the thousands of other occupied planets?

THEY DONT EXIST, THERE’S NOTHING IN GENESIS

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

But then it will mutate and wipe out all of us, ALL OF US AND THERE WILL BE NO LIFE LEFT ANYWHERE AND THE UNIVERSE WILL CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE TO OBSERVE IT AND IT’S PURPOSE BECOMES POINTLESS.

What about the thousands of other occupied planets?

THEY DONT EXIST, THERE’S NOTHING IN GENESIS

Has anyone gone out there and looked?

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-06/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-leadership/12124300

maybe, but how did it work out for them ¿

AUS:

NZL:

who’s flatter now eh ¿

Bubblecar said:

In the article I linked, one idea that’s been suggested is to alternate between periods of social distance restrictions and periods of normality, with the restrictions re-introduced when the curve becomes too steep again etc.

To try to achieve herd immunity in manageable jumps, rather than a single death dive.

seems plausible

another possibly simpler alternative is just to go early go hard, then ease restrictions gradually

which seems to be the opposite of what the Gutless Governments Go for

Bubblecar said:

In the article I linked, one idea that’s been suggested is to alternate between periods of social distance restrictions and periods of normality, with the restrictions re-introduced when the curve becomes too steep again etc.

To try to achieve herd immunity in manageable jumps, rather than a single death dive.

I expect that’s what we’re going to have to do until a vaccine arrives.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

What about the thousands of other occupied planets?

THEY DONT EXIST, THERE’S NOTHING IN GENESIS

Has anyone gone out there and looked?

What would the point of the universe if god only created life on Earth

Tau.Neutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

What about the thousands of other occupied planets?

THEY DONT EXIST, THERE’S NOTHING IN GENESIS

Has anyone gone out there and looked?

no no no no no no no there’s answers

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

In the article I linked, one idea that’s been suggested is to alternate between periods of social distance restrictions and periods of normality, with the restrictions re-introduced when the curve becomes too steep again etc.

To try to achieve herd immunity in manageable jumps, rather than a single death dive.

seems plausible

another possibly simpler alternative is just to go early go hard, then ease restrictions gradually

which seems to be the opposite of what the Gutless Governments Go for

Seems to me to be exactly what they have done but I don’t have access to your dementia.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

But then it will mutate and wipe out all of us, ALL OF US AND THERE WILL BE NO LIFE LEFT ANYWHERE AND THE UNIVERSE WILL CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE TO OBSERVE IT AND IT’S PURPOSE BECOMES POINTLESS.

What about the thousands of other occupied planets?

THEY DONT EXIST, THERE’S NOTHING IN GENESIS

That’s what their Good Book says too.

AwesomeO said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

In the article I linked, one idea that’s been suggested is to alternate between periods of social distance restrictions and periods of normality, with the restrictions re-introduced when the curve becomes too steep again etc.

To try to achieve herd immunity in manageable jumps, rather than a single death dive.

seems plausible

another possibly simpler alternative is just to go early go hard, then ease restrictions gradually

which seems to be the opposite of what the Gutless Governments Go for

Seems to me to be exactly what they have done but I don’t have access to your dementia.

True, Trump has it all under control, and we have dementia, excellent point.

SCIENCE said:

AwesomeO said:

SCIENCE said:

seems plausible

another possibly simpler alternative is just to go early go hard, then ease restrictions gradually

which seems to be the opposite of what the Gutless Governments Go for

Seems to me to be exactly what they have done but I don’t have access to your dementia.

True, Trump has it all under control, and we have dementia, excellent point.

Have to give credit to our government who are doing what seems a decent job in a difficult situation.
Plus people themselves have a role to play but not acting like morons or dick heads

Tiger at Bronx Zoo Tests Positive for Coronavirus

The tiger was infected by a zoo employee who was “asymptomatically infected with the virus,” according to the Wildlife Conservation Society

https://people.com/pets/tiger-at-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

AwesomeO said:

Seems to me to be exactly what they have done but I don’t have access to your dementia.

True, Trump has it all under control, and we have dementia, excellent point.

Have to give credit to our government who are doing what seems a decent job in a difficult situation.
Plus people themselves have a role to play but not acting like morons or dick heads

no no we were just saying, our federal government went early and hard, that’s how they got in before the Smart States, that’s how we managed to stop all this at the arrival stage

The ‘locally acquired – no link’ is growing nicely in NSW.

210 – 30/03/20
375 – 06/04/20

poikilotherm said:

The ‘locally acquired – no link’ is growing nicely in NSW.

210 – 30/03/20
375 – 06/04/20

well they’re finally testing for it right

poikilotherm said:

The ‘locally acquired – no link’ is growing nicely in NSW.

210 – 30/03/20
375 – 06/04/20

‘no link’ should be ‘contact not identified’

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

True, Trump has it all under control, and we have dementia, excellent point.

Have to give credit to our government who are doing what seems a decent job in a difficult situation.
Plus people themselves have a role to play but not acting like morons or dick heads

no no we were just saying, our federal government went early and hard, that’s how they got in before the Smart States, that’s how we managed to stop all this at the arrival stage

Once they’d got all the in-laws and happy-clappers off the Grubby Princess, then it stopped.

It stopped in this suburb, and that, and began its spread.

It stopped in this town, and in that region, and that State, and the other one, and began to spread there.

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

The ‘locally acquired – no link’ is growing nicely in NSW.

210 – 30/03/20
375 – 06/04/20

well they’re finally testing for it right

NSW Health recently broadened the testing criteria for COVID-19 and MLHD has expanded further to include any person with symptoms of respiratory illness, regardless of travel or contact history.

This will provide for a better understanding of the prevalence of COVID-19 in our communities as well as early identification of any cases to prevent further transmission.

COVID-19 Testing Clinics are currently located in Cootamundra, Deniliquin, Griffith, Hay, Leeton, Tumut, and Wagga Wagga. Appointments are essential by calling 1800 831 099.

Critical decisions about who will live or die during the coronavirus peak may be left to frontline doctors

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-06/nsw-health-not-drawing-up-life-or-death-guidelines-for-doctors/12123406?pfmredir=sm

wait, haven’t doctors been making that decision for quite some time ¿

poikilotherm said:

The ‘locally acquired – no link’ is growing nicely in NSW.

210 – 30/03/20
375 – 06/04/20

All the more reason to socially distance properly and for a decent length of time. These cases are likely linked to asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic carriers/spreaders.

sarahs mum said:

Tiger at Bronx Zoo Tests Positive for Coronavirus

The tiger was infected by a zoo employee who was “asymptomatically infected with the virus,” according to the Wildlife Conservation Society

https://people.com/pets/tiger-at-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

awww.. the poor murder kitty..

Ekka’s been cancelled.

Divine Angel said:

Ekka’s been cancelled.

Bugger, I was going to show my turnip, it’s a good size now.

Divine Angel said:

Ekka’s been cancelled.

I suppose the Ekka public holidays are also cancelled.

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

Ekka’s been cancelled.

Bugger, I was going to show my turnip, it’s a good size now.

I got a notification to say the Cann River Agricultural Show has been cancelled this year, but you can still submit photos of your competition produce. No prizes will be awarded, however.

Monday 6 April 2020

As of 8.00 am on Monday 6 April 2020

There has been no further cases of COVID-19 identified in the Murrumbidgee Local Health District.
COVID-19 in MLHDCOVID-19 in MLHD
Number of people tested for COVID-19 in MLHD 2080
Number of people tested for COVID-19 in MLHD 42
Number of deaths from COVID-19 in MLHD 1