While the focus of the COVID-19 pandemic has been on respiratory problems and securing enough ventilators, doctors on the front lines are grappling with a new medical mystery.

In addition to lung damage, many COVID-19 patients are also developing heart problems — and dying of cardiac arrest.

As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.

That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive.

https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/amp/

damn, this 5G is dangerous stuff

interesting. thanks.

party_pants said:

interesting. thanks.

Older folk do tend to have hearts that can be tickled more easily.

ACE2 receptors. They are where the SARS-CoV-2 virus attaches.

buffy said:

party_pants said:

interesting. thanks.

Older folk do tend to have hearts that can be tickled more easily.

Will YouTube soon be full of people posting DIY videos on defibrillators now in addition to the ventilators and face masks I wonder …?

1 in 5 ¿

even the asymptomatic ones ¿

this thing is fn crazy

can you imagine the 3M predicted cases worldwide (that’s if every place gets their shit together today and terminates further spread), and 1 in 5 of those which is 600k extra people needing a pacemaker over the next year

hard to get a sense of how many people usually score pacemakers but it seems it’s somewhere between 1M and 3M

then imagine a bigger pandemic, or some joker actually believing the marketing for “flock immunity”, and say 300M people in specific countries around the world getting screwed by this

sixty million pacemakers in the next year, these Cardiologists are going to be Rolling In It and Loving It

SCIENCE said:

can you imagine the 3M predicted cases worldwide (that’s if every place gets their shit together today and terminates further spread), and 1 in 5 of those which is 600k extra people needing a pacemaker over the next year

hard to get a sense of how many people usually score pacemakers but it seems it’s somewhere between 1M and 3M

then imagine a bigger pandemic, or some joker actually believing the marketing for “flock immunity”, and say 300M people in specific countries around the world getting screwed by this

sixty million pacemakers in the next year, these Cardiologists are going to be Rolling In It and Loving It

It could evolve over time become deadlier and we are looking at hundreds of thousands of death per country

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

can you imagine the 3M predicted cases worldwide (that’s if every place gets their shit together today and terminates further spread), and 1 in 5 of those which is 600k extra people needing a pacemaker over the next year

hard to get a sense of how many people usually score pacemakers but it seems it’s somewhere between 1M and 3M

then imagine a bigger pandemic, or some joker actually believing the marketing for “flock immunity”, and say 300M people in specific countries around the world getting screwed by this

sixty million pacemakers in the next year, these Cardiologists are going to be Rolling In It and Loving It

It could evolve over time become deadlier and we are looking at hundreds of thousands of death per country

it will, if we allow uncontrolled spread as some have advised

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

can you imagine the 3M predicted cases worldwide (that’s if every place gets their shit together today and terminates further spread), and 1 in 5 of those which is 600k extra people needing a pacemaker over the next year

hard to get a sense of how many people usually score pacemakers but it seems it’s somewhere between 1M and 3M

then imagine a bigger pandemic, or some joker actually believing the marketing for “flock immunity”, and say 300M people in specific countries around the world getting screwed by this

sixty million pacemakers in the next year, these Cardiologists are going to be Rolling In It and Loving It

It could evolve over time become deadlier and we are looking at hundreds of thousands of death per country

it will, if we allow uncontrolled spread as some have advised

That idea seems to stem from otherwise everyone could be isolated for a long time until a vaccine is ready, government could very well have an acceptable level of collateral damage if it turns into a long wait

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

It could evolve over time become deadlier and we are looking at hundreds of thousands of death per country

it will, if we allow uncontrolled spread as some have advised

That idea seems to stem from otherwise everyone could be isolated for a long time until a vaccine is ready, government could very well have an acceptable level of collateral damage if it turns into a long wait

we suspect that instead, when enough of the “restrictions” have finally been lifted, people are going to go out and be merry and be thankful and they’ll think, “well, hanging out with the people at home / online / in our imagination for a few months and not dying of COVID-19 wasn’t all that bad after all, and by golly our room / house / hutchie looks marvelous”

and life will go on, and the new normal won’t be worse than the old normal

and politicians might have a new lease of humility

ok the first 2 out of 3 ain’t bad

PermeateFree said:

While the focus of the COVID-19 pandemic has been on respiratory problems and securing enough ventilators, doctors on the front lines are grappling with a new medical mystery.

In addition to lung damage, many COVID-19 patients are also developing heart problems — and dying of cardiac arrest.

As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.

That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive.

https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/amp/

Yes, I’d read about that earlier in China. This is new to me about Italy.

What it means is that people with pre-existing heart problems can die from them when they have coronavirus, faster than they would have died from them without coronavirus.

mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

While the focus of the COVID-19 pandemic has been on respiratory problems and securing enough ventilators, doctors on the front lines are grappling with a new medical mystery.

In addition to lung damage, many COVID-19 patients are also developing heart problems — and dying of cardiac arrest.

As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.

That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive.

https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/amp/

Yes, I’d read about that earlier in China. This is new to me about Italy.

What it means is that people with pre-existing heart problems can die from them when they have coronavirus, faster than they would have died from them without coronavirus.

No, it can directly attack the heart. Lot more detail in the article.

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

While the focus of the COVID-19 pandemic has been on respiratory problems and securing enough ventilators, doctors on the front lines are grappling with a new medical mystery.

In addition to lung damage, many COVID-19 patients are also developing heart problems — and dying of cardiac arrest.

As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.

That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive.

https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/amp/

Yes, I’d read about that earlier in China. This is new to me about Italy.

What it means is that people with pre-existing heart problems can die from them when they have coronavirus, faster than they would have died from them without coronavirus.

No, it can directly attack the heart. Lot more detail in the article.

I think cardio myopathy can have a similar cause by an initial virus infection damaging the heart valves iirc.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

interesting. thanks.

Older folk do tend to have hearts that can be tickled more easily.

Will YouTube soon be full of people posting DIY videos on defibrillators now in addition to the ventilators and face masks I wonder …?

I scored two AEDs recently, gave one to the local girl guides ( someone had keeled over at a meeting with a heart attack a few weeks ago ). Needs new batteries and the pads are a bit out if date but I’m looking forward to using my new AED. These kinds of AED typically deliver about 150Joules , to deliver more you need the other types older ones with the big paddles you see rubbing together in movies or things like LIFEPAKs or CORPULS that you see in ambulances.