Date: 9/04/2020 17:39:27
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1535241
Subject: Covid19 and Climate change.

Peaks of Himalayas visible from India for first time in decades as pollution drops amid lockdown
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-09/himalayas-visible-india-pollution/12136856

Worldwide pollution reducing

Air pollution over China also plummeted in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak, according to NASA.

NASA and the European Space Agency’s pollution monitoring satellites detected a significant decline in the amount of nitrogen dioxide (NO2) over China since the lockdown.

“There is evidence that the change is at least partly related to the economic slowdown following the outbreak of coronavirus,” NASA said in a statement.

According to NASA, the reduction in NO2 was first apparent near Wuhan, the epicentre of the virus, where millions of people were quarantined.

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Wonders about numbers and making good on climate change promises.

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Date: 9/04/2020 17:42:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1535245
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

“we can’t possibly shut down the world economy to address the climate change problem”

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Date: 9/04/2020 17:57:28
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1535260
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

> NASA and the European Space Agency’s pollution monitoring satellites detected a significant decline in the amount of nitrogen dioxide (NO2) over China since the lockdown.

I’ve been noticing that here, too. A glorious reduction in traffic and increase in air quality.

Economic depressions do that.

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Date: 9/04/2020 18:01:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1535263
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

well there does seem to be less smog over our cities

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Date: 9/04/2020 18:11:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 1535269
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

sarahs mum said:


Peaks of Himalayas visible from India for first time in decades as pollution drops amid lockdown
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-09/himalayas-visible-india-pollution/12136856

Worldwide pollution reducing

Air pollution over China also plummeted in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak, according to NASA.

NASA and the European Space Agency’s pollution monitoring satellites detected a significant decline in the amount of nitrogen dioxide (NO2) over China since the lockdown.

“There is evidence that the change is at least partly related to the economic slowdown following the outbreak of coronavirus,” NASA said in a statement.

According to NASA, the reduction in NO2 was first apparent near Wuhan, the epicentre of the virus, where millions of people were quarantined.

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Wonders about numbers and making good on climate change promises.

As I’ve oft said in recent times, “things are going to be different after this”.

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Date: 10/04/2020 00:26:51
From: Ogmog
ID: 1535558
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

sarahs mum said:


Peaks of Himalayas visible from India for first time in decades as pollution drops amid lockdown
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-09/himalayas-visible-india-pollution/12136856

Worldwide pollution reducing

Air pollution over China also plummeted in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak, according to NASA.

NASA and the European Space Agency’s pollution monitoring satellites detected a significant decline in the amount of nitrogen dioxide (NO2) over China since the lockdown.

“There is evidence that the change is at least partly related to the economic slowdown following the outbreak of coronavirus,” NASA said in a statement.

According to NASA, the reduction in NO2 was first apparent near Wuhan, the epicentre of the virus, where millions of people were quarantined.

——-

Wonders about numbers and making good on climate change promises.


Saving the Planet

“The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we’re gone and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself cause that’s what it does. It’s a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it’s true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new paradigm: The Earth plus Plastic.”
~George Carlin

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Date: 10/04/2020 00:47:59
From: Ogmog
ID: 1535565
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

“to be fair, the planet probably sees us as a mild threat; something to be dealt with, and I’m sure the planet will defend itself in the manner of a large organism. Like a beehive or an ant colony can muster a defence, I’m sure the planet will think of something. What would you do if you were the planet trying to defend against this pesky, troublesome species? Let’s see… what might… hmm… viruses! Viruses might be good. They seem vulnerable to viruses. And uh… viruses are tricky; always mutating and forming new strains whenever a vaccine is developed.”

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Date: 10/04/2020 01:17:01
From: dv
ID: 1535579
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

Ogmog said:

“to be fair, the planet probably sees us as a mild threat; something to be dealt with, and I’m sure the planet will defend itself in the manner of a large organism. Like a beehive or an ant colony can muster a defence, I’m sure the planet will think of something. What would you do if you were the planet trying to defend against this pesky, troublesome species? Let’s see… what might… hmm… viruses! Viruses might be good. They seem vulnerable to viruses. And uh… viruses are tricky; always mutating and forming new strains whenever a vaccine is developed.”

The planet doesn’t see or think. Metaphors are fun but you shouldn’t inhale.

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Date: 10/04/2020 12:48:45
From: Ogmog
ID: 1535813
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

dv said:


Ogmog said:

“to be fair, the planet probably sees us as a mild threat; something to be dealt with, and I’m sure the planet will defend itself in the manner of a large organism. Like a beehive or an ant colony can muster a defence, I’m sure the planet will think of something. What would you do if you were the planet trying to defend against this pesky, troublesome species? Let’s see… what might… hmm… viruses! Viruses might be good. They seem vulnerable to viruses. And uh… viruses are tricky; always mutating and forming new strains whenever a vaccine is developed.”

The planet doesn’t see or think. Metaphors are fun but you shouldn’t inhale.

of course, technically it’s a lump of mud & rock that supports life

…but you should also be aware that George is an observational COMEDIAN
and by no stretch a scientist, although he often makes very good points, just
as he did about “The Guy In the Sky who watches everything we do and say”
..as he characterize it; “The Greatest Bullshit Story Ever Told!” “HOLY SHIT!”

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Date: 11/04/2020 16:28:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1536757
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

… researchers in New South Wales … looking at the capacity for forests to consume and store carbon from the atmosphere …

… kept the carbon levels 38 per cent higher than normal while they tracked the movement of carbon through the forest ecosystem …

The results

… mature trees could consume an additional 12 per cent of carbon at elevated levels, but that it wasn’t sequestered …

… majority of the extra carbon was emitted back into the atmosphere via several respiratory fluxes, with increased soil respiration alone accounting for half …

… soil that they’re growing on is fairly poor. It doesn’t have a lot of nutrients … plants need those nutrients to grow, so … when they’ve been given extra carbon … use that to go looking for extra nutrients.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2020-04-11/forest-carbon-study-climate-change-optimism-sequestration-uws/12136118

Good news, thank ck we burned most of it down then, they won’t be mature trees any more and we get to sequester all that carbon that … came out from the bushfires in the first place!

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Date: 11/04/2020 16:50:20
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1536766
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

SCIENCE said:


… researchers in New South Wales … looking at the capacity for forests to consume and store carbon from the atmosphere …

… kept the carbon levels 38 per cent higher than normal while they tracked the movement of carbon through the forest ecosystem …

The results

… mature trees could consume an additional 12 per cent of carbon at elevated levels, but that it wasn’t sequestered …

… majority of the extra carbon was emitted back into the atmosphere via several respiratory fluxes, with increased soil respiration alone accounting for half …

… soil that they’re growing on is fairly poor. It doesn’t have a lot of nutrients … plants need those nutrients to grow, so … when they’ve been given extra carbon … use that to go looking for extra nutrients.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2020-04-11/forest-carbon-study-climate-change-optimism-sequestration-uws/12136118

Good news, thank ck we burned most of it down then, they won’t be mature trees any more and we get to sequester all that carbon that … came out from the bushfires in the first place!

What that study has shown is trees, especially mature trees, do not sequester CO2 to the same extent that they were thought to do. In other words they are not as efficient in this task and our expectations need to be downgraded. I know from other studies that during periods of drought and heat stress, trees actually emit CO2 to a greater extend than they absorb, so a delicate balance that can go either way depending on weather conditions and difficult to accurately predict.

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Date: 11/04/2020 16:52:34
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1536767
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

Coronavirus in the DMV:

The coronavirus isn’t alive. That’s why it’s so hard to kill.
The science behind what makes this coronavirus so sneaky, deadly and difficult to defeat

What are the symptoms of covid-19 or coronavirus?

Coronavirus or covid-19 symptoms range from mild to severe. They’re most likely to be similar to a regular cold, the flu or seasonal allergies.

March 24, 2020 at 1:36 a.m. GMT+10

The Washington Post is providing this story for free so that all readers have access to this important information about the coronavirus. For more free stories, sign up for our daily Coronavirus Updates newsletter.
Viruses have spent billions of years perfecting the art of surviving without living — a frighteningly effective strategy that makes them a potent threat in today’s world.

That’s especially true of the deadly new coronavirus that has brought global society to a screeching halt. It’s little more than a packet of genetic material surrounded by a spiky protein shell one-thousandth the width of an eyelash, and it leads such a zombielike existence that it’s barely considered a living organism.

But as soon as it gets into a human airway, the virus hijacks our cells to create millions more versions of itself.
Researchers hope new visualization of SARS-CoV-2 will show them how to defeat it.

There is a certain evil genius to how this coronavirus pathogen works: It finds easy purchase in humans without them knowing. Before its first host even develops symptoms, it is already spreading its replicas everywhere, moving onto its next victim. It is powerfully deadly in some but mild enough in others to escape containment. And for now, we have no way of stopping it.

As researchers race to develop drugs and vaccines for the disease that has already sickened 350,000 and killed more than 15,000 people, and counting, this is a scientific portrait of what they are up against.
‘Between chemistry and biology’

A man wears a mask provided by Border Patrol because he was coughing.

Respiratory viruses tend to infect and replicate in two places: In the nose and throat, where they are highly contagious, or lower in the lungs, where they spread less easily but are much more deadly.

Sign up for our Coronavirus Updates newsletter to track the outbreak. All stories linked in the newsletter are free to access.
This new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, adeptly cuts the difference. It dwells in the upper respiratory tract, where it is easily sneezed or coughed onto its next victim. But in some patients, it can lodge itself deep within the lungs, where the disease can kill. That combination gives it the contagiousness of some colds, along with some of the lethality of its close molecular cousin SARS, which caused a 2002-2003 outbreak in Asia.

The most-read story in Washington Post history explains how an outbreak like coronavirus spreads and what it takes to “flatten the curve.”)

Another insidious characteristic of this virus: By giving up that bit of lethality, its symptoms emerge less readily than those of SARS, which means people often pass it to others before they even know they have it.
It is, in other words, just sneaky enough to wreak worldwide havoc.
Q&A: What if I think I’m infected?

Viruses much like this one have been responsible for many of the most destructive outbreaks of the past 100 years: the flus of 1918, 1957 and 1968; and SARS, MERS and Ebola. Like the coronavirus, all these diseases are zoonotic — they jumped from an animal population into humans. And all are caused by viruses that encode their genetic material in RNA.
That’s no coincidence, scientists say. The zombielike existence of RNA viruses makes them easy to catch and hard to kill.

Outside a host, viruses are dormant. They have none of the traditional trappings of life: metabolism, motion, the ability to reproduce.

And they can last this way for quite a long time. Recent laboratory research showed that, although SARS-CoV-2 typically degrades in minutes or a few hours outside a host, some particles can remain viable — potentially infectious — on cardboard for up to 24 hours and on plastic and stainless steel for up to three days. In 2014, a virus frozen in permafrost for 30,000 years that scientists retrieved was able to infect an amoeba after being revived in the lab.

When viruses encounter a host, they use proteins on their surfaces to unlock and invade its unsuspecting cells. Then they take control of those cells’ molecular machinery to produce and assemble the materials needed for more viruses.

“It’s switching between alive and not alive,” said Gary Whittaker, a Cornell University professor of virology. He described a virus as being somewhere “between chemistry and biology.”

The coronavirus will radically transform the U.S.

The new coronavirus is one-thousandth the width of an eyelash in size and, like other viruses, is so molecularly simple that scientists barely consider it a living organism.

Among RNA viruses, coronaviruses — named for the protein spikes that adorn them like points of a crown — are unique for their size and relative sophistication. They are three times bigger than the pathogens that cause dengue, West Nile and Zika, and are capable of producing extra proteins that bolster their success.

“Let’s say dengue has a tool belt with only one hammer,” said Vineet Menachery, a virologist at the University of Texas Medical Branch. This coronavirus has three different hammers, each for a different situation.

Among those tools is a proofreading protein, which allows coronaviruses to fix some errors that happen during the replication process. They can still mutate faster than bacteria but are less likely to produce offspring so riddled with detrimental mutations that they can’t survive.

Meanwhile, the ability to change helps the germ adapt to new environments, whether it’s a camel’s gut or the airway of a human unknowingly granting it entry with an inadvertent scratch of her nose.

Scientists believe that the SARS virus originated as a bat virus that reached humans via civet cats sold in animal markets. This current virus, which can also be traced to bats, is thought to have had an intermediate host, possibly an endangered scaly anteater called a pangolin.

“I think nature has been telling us over the course of 20 years that, ‘Hey, coronaviruses that start out in bats can cause pandemics in humans, and we have to think of them as being like influenza, as long-term threats,’” said Jeffery Taubenberger, virologist with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

Funding for research on coronaviruses increased after the SARS outbreak, but in recent years that funding has dried up, Taubenberger said. Such viruses usually simply cause colds and were not considered as important as other viral pathogens, he said.

The search for weapons

Once inside a cell, a virus can make 10,000 copies of itself in a matter of hours. Within a few days, the infected person will carry hundreds of millions of viral particles in every teaspoon of his blood.

The onslaught triggers an intense response from the host’s immune system: Defensive chemicals are released. The body’s temperature rises, causing fever. Armies of germ-eating white blood cells swarm the infected region. Often, this response is what makes a person feel sick.

Andrew Pekosz, a virologist at Johns Hopkins University, compared viruses to particularly destructive burglars: They break into your home, eat your food, use your furniture and have 10,000 babies. “And then they leave the place trashed,” he said.
Unfortunately, humans have few defenses against these burglars.

How coronavirus makes you sick

Most antimicrobials work by interfering with the functions of the germs they target. For example, penicillin blocks a molecule used by bacteria to build their cell walls. The drug works against thousands of kinds of bacteria, but because human cells don’t use that protein, we can ingest it without being harmed.

But viruses function through us. With no cellular machinery of their own, they become intertwined with ours. Their proteins are our proteins. Their weaknesses are our weaknesses. Most drugs that might hurt them would hurt us, too.

For this reason, antiviral drugs must be extremely targeted and specific, said Stanford virologist Karla Kirkegaard. They tend to target proteins produced by the virus (using our cellular machinery) as part of its replication process. These proteins are unique to their viruses. This means the drugs that fight one disease generally don’t work across multiple ones.

And because viruses evolve so quickly, the few treatments scientists do manage to develop don’t always work for long. This is why scientists must constantly develop new drugs to treat HIV, and why patients take a “cocktail” of antivirals that viruses must mutate multiple times to resist.

“Modern medicine is constantly needing to catch up to new emerging viruses,” Kirkegaard said.

SARS-CoV-2 is particularly enigmatic. Though its behavior is different from that of its cousin SARS, there are no obvious differences in the viruses’ spiky protein “keys” that allow them to invade host cells.

Understanding these proteins could be critical to developing a vaccine, said Alessandro Sette, head of the center for infectious disease at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology. Previous research has shown that the spike proteins on SARS are what trigger the immune system’s protective response. In a paper published this month, Sette found the same is true of SARS-CoV-2.

This gives scientists reason for optimism, according to Sette. It affirms researchers’ hunch that the spike protein is a good target for vaccines. If people are inoculated with a version of that protein, it could teach their immune system to recognize the virus and allow them to respond to the invader more quickly.

“It also says the novel coronavirus is not that novel,” Sette said.
And if SARS-CoV-2 is not so different from its older cousin SARS, then the virus is probably not evolving very fast, giving scientists developing vaccines time to catch up.

In the meantime, Kirkegaard said, the best weapons we have against the coronavirus are public health measures, such as testing and social distancing, and our own immune systems.

Some virologists believe we have one other thing working in our favor: the virus itself.
For all its evil genius and efficient, lethal design, Kirkegaard said, “the virus doesn’t really want to kill us. It’s good for them, good for their population, if you’re walking around being perfectly healthy.”

Evolutionarily speaking, experts believe, the ultimate goal of viruses is to be contagious while also gentle on their hosts — less a destructive burglar and more a considerate house guest.

That’s because highly lethal viruses like SARS and Ebola tend to burn themselves out, leaving no one alive to spread them.
But a germ that’s merely annoying can perpetuate itself indefinitely. One 2014 study found that the virus causing oral herpes has been with the human lineage for 6 million years. “That’s a very successful virus,” Kirkegaard said.
Seen through this lens, the novel coronavirus that is killing thousands across the world is still early in its life. It replicates destructively, unaware that there’s a better way to survive.

But bit by bit, over time, its RNA will change. Until one day, not so far in the future, it will be just another one of the handful of common cold coronaviruses that circulate every year, giving us a cough or sniffle and nothing more.

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Date: 11/04/2020 17:01:22
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1536769
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

monkey skipper said:

Coronavirus in the DMV:

The coronavirus isn’t alive. That’s why it’s so hard to kill.
The science behind what makes this coronavirus so sneaky, deadly and difficult to defeat

What are the symptoms of covid-19 or coronavirus?

Coronavirus or covid-19 symptoms range from mild to severe. They’re most likely to be similar to a regular cold, the flu or seasonal allergies.

March 24, 2020 at 1:36 a.m. GMT+10

The Washington Post is providing this story for free so that all readers have access to this important information about the coronavirus. For more free stories, sign up for our daily Coronavirus Updates newsletter.
Viruses have spent billions of years perfecting the art of surviving without living — a frighteningly effective strategy that makes them a potent threat in today’s world.

That’s especially true of the deadly new coronavirus that has brought global society to a screeching halt. It’s little more than a packet of genetic material surrounded by a spiky protein shell one-thousandth the width of an eyelash, and it leads such a zombielike existence that it’s barely considered a living organism.

But as soon as it gets into a human airway, the virus hijacks our cells to create millions more versions of itself.
Researchers hope new visualization of SARS-CoV-2 will show them how to defeat it.

There is a certain evil genius to how this coronavirus pathogen works: It finds easy purchase in humans without them knowing. Before its first host even develops symptoms, it is already spreading its replicas everywhere, moving onto its next victim. It is powerfully deadly in some but mild enough in others to escape containment. And for now, we have no way of stopping it.

As researchers race to develop drugs and vaccines for the disease that has already sickened 350,000 and killed more than 15,000 people, and counting, this is a scientific portrait of what they are up against.
‘Between chemistry and biology’

A man wears a mask provided by Border Patrol because he was coughing.

Respiratory viruses tend to infect and replicate in two places: In the nose and throat, where they are highly contagious, or lower in the lungs, where they spread less easily but are much more deadly.

Sign up for our Coronavirus Updates newsletter to track the outbreak. All stories linked in the newsletter are free to access.
This new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, adeptly cuts the difference. It dwells in the upper respiratory tract, where it is easily sneezed or coughed onto its next victim. But in some patients, it can lodge itself deep within the lungs, where the disease can kill. That combination gives it the contagiousness of some colds, along with some of the lethality of its close molecular cousin SARS, which caused a 2002-2003 outbreak in Asia.

The most-read story in Washington Post history explains how an outbreak like coronavirus spreads and what it takes to “flatten the curve.”)

Another insidious characteristic of this virus: By giving up that bit of lethality, its symptoms emerge less readily than those of SARS, which means people often pass it to others before they even know they have it.
It is, in other words, just sneaky enough to wreak worldwide havoc.
Q&A: What if I think I’m infected?

Viruses much like this one have been responsible for many of the most destructive outbreaks of the past 100 years: the flus of 1918, 1957 and 1968; and SARS, MERS and Ebola. Like the coronavirus, all these diseases are zoonotic — they jumped from an animal population into humans. And all are caused by viruses that encode their genetic material in RNA.
That’s no coincidence, scientists say. The zombielike existence of RNA viruses makes them easy to catch and hard to kill.

Outside a host, viruses are dormant. They have none of the traditional trappings of life: metabolism, motion, the ability to reproduce.

And they can last this way for quite a long time. Recent laboratory research showed that, although SARS-CoV-2 typically degrades in minutes or a few hours outside a host, some particles can remain viable — potentially infectious — on cardboard for up to 24 hours and on plastic and stainless steel for up to three days. In 2014, a virus frozen in permafrost for 30,000 years that scientists retrieved was able to infect an amoeba after being revived in the lab.

When viruses encounter a host, they use proteins on their surfaces to unlock and invade its unsuspecting cells. Then they take control of those cells’ molecular machinery to produce and assemble the materials needed for more viruses.

“It’s switching between alive and not alive,” said Gary Whittaker, a Cornell University professor of virology. He described a virus as being somewhere “between chemistry and biology.”

The coronavirus will radically transform the U.S.

The new coronavirus is one-thousandth the width of an eyelash in size and, like other viruses, is so molecularly simple that scientists barely consider it a living organism.

Among RNA viruses, coronaviruses — named for the protein spikes that adorn them like points of a crown — are unique for their size and relative sophistication. They are three times bigger than the pathogens that cause dengue, West Nile and Zika, and are capable of producing extra proteins that bolster their success.

“Let’s say dengue has a tool belt with only one hammer,” said Vineet Menachery, a virologist at the University of Texas Medical Branch. This coronavirus has three different hammers, each for a different situation.

Among those tools is a proofreading protein, which allows coronaviruses to fix some errors that happen during the replication process. They can still mutate faster than bacteria but are less likely to produce offspring so riddled with detrimental mutations that they can’t survive.

Meanwhile, the ability to change helps the germ adapt to new environments, whether it’s a camel’s gut or the airway of a human unknowingly granting it entry with an inadvertent scratch of her nose.

Scientists believe that the SARS virus originated as a bat virus that reached humans via civet cats sold in animal markets. This current virus, which can also be traced to bats, is thought to have had an intermediate host, possibly an endangered scaly anteater called a pangolin.

“I think nature has been telling us over the course of 20 years that, ‘Hey, coronaviruses that start out in bats can cause pandemics in humans, and we have to think of them as being like influenza, as long-term threats,’” said Jeffery Taubenberger, virologist with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

Funding for research on coronaviruses increased after the SARS outbreak, but in recent years that funding has dried up, Taubenberger said. Such viruses usually simply cause colds and were not considered as important as other viral pathogens, he said.

The search for weapons

Once inside a cell, a virus can make 10,000 copies of itself in a matter of hours. Within a few days, the infected person will carry hundreds of millions of viral particles in every teaspoon of his blood.

The onslaught triggers an intense response from the host’s immune system: Defensive chemicals are released. The body’s temperature rises, causing fever. Armies of germ-eating white blood cells swarm the infected region. Often, this response is what makes a person feel sick.

Andrew Pekosz, a virologist at Johns Hopkins University, compared viruses to particularly destructive burglars: They break into your home, eat your food, use your furniture and have 10,000 babies. “And then they leave the place trashed,” he said.
Unfortunately, humans have few defenses against these burglars.

How coronavirus makes you sick

Most antimicrobials work by interfering with the functions of the germs they target. For example, penicillin blocks a molecule used by bacteria to build their cell walls. The drug works against thousands of kinds of bacteria, but because human cells don’t use that protein, we can ingest it without being harmed.

But viruses function through us. With no cellular machinery of their own, they become intertwined with ours. Their proteins are our proteins. Their weaknesses are our weaknesses. Most drugs that might hurt them would hurt us, too.

For this reason, antiviral drugs must be extremely targeted and specific, said Stanford virologist Karla Kirkegaard. They tend to target proteins produced by the virus (using our cellular machinery) as part of its replication process. These proteins are unique to their viruses. This means the drugs that fight one disease generally don’t work across multiple ones.

And because viruses evolve so quickly, the few treatments scientists do manage to develop don’t always work for long. This is why scientists must constantly develop new drugs to treat HIV, and why patients take a “cocktail” of antivirals that viruses must mutate multiple times to resist.

“Modern medicine is constantly needing to catch up to new emerging viruses,” Kirkegaard said.

SARS-CoV-2 is particularly enigmatic. Though its behavior is different from that of its cousin SARS, there are no obvious differences in the viruses’ spiky protein “keys” that allow them to invade host cells.

Understanding these proteins could be critical to developing a vaccine, said Alessandro Sette, head of the center for infectious disease at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology. Previous research has shown that the spike proteins on SARS are what trigger the immune system’s protective response. In a paper published this month, Sette found the same is true of SARS-CoV-2.

This gives scientists reason for optimism, according to Sette. It affirms researchers’ hunch that the spike protein is a good target for vaccines. If people are inoculated with a version of that protein, it could teach their immune system to recognize the virus and allow them to respond to the invader more quickly.

“It also says the novel coronavirus is not that novel,” Sette said.
And if SARS-CoV-2 is not so different from its older cousin SARS, then the virus is probably not evolving very fast, giving scientists developing vaccines time to catch up.

In the meantime, Kirkegaard said, the best weapons we have against the coronavirus are public health measures, such as testing and social distancing, and our own immune systems.

Some virologists believe we have one other thing working in our favor: the virus itself.
For all its evil genius and efficient, lethal design, Kirkegaard said, “the virus doesn’t really want to kill us. It’s good for them, good for their population, if you’re walking around being perfectly healthy.”

Evolutionarily speaking, experts believe, the ultimate goal of viruses is to be contagious while also gentle on their hosts — less a destructive burglar and more a considerate house guest.

That’s because highly lethal viruses like SARS and Ebola tend to burn themselves out, leaving no one alive to spread them.
But a germ that’s merely annoying can perpetuate itself indefinitely. One 2014 study found that the virus causing oral herpes has been with the human lineage for 6 million years. “That’s a very successful virus,” Kirkegaard said.
Seen through this lens, the novel coronavirus that is killing thousands across the world is still early in its life. It replicates destructively, unaware that there’s a better way to survive.

But bit by bit, over time, its RNA will change. Until one day, not so far in the future, it will be just another one of the handful of common cold coronaviruses that circulate every year, giving us a cough or sniffle and nothing more.

Good article.
Probably in the wrong thread but.

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Date: 11/04/2020 17:01:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1536770
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

monkey skipper said:

SARS-CoV-2 is particularly enigmatic. Though its behavior is different from that of its cousin SARS, there are no obvious differences in the viruses’ spiky protein “keys” that allow them to invade host cells.

so basically we had a practice run 17 years ago

and then everyone* shrugged, went on “growing” their “economies”, and threw that opportunity away

¿

nice

*: well, perhaps not KR

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Date: 11/04/2020 17:09:13
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1536771
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

I searched for that link because I thought and wondered a little bit about the smaller quantity of patients globally who are showing covid 19 positive results are their first infection was supposed to have resolved.

I began to consider the virus becoming dormant in humans like the collection of several herpes viruses do. Interestingly the article suggests that the conoviruses are not that smart as yet because their style of jumping from host to host is not the same as the herpes group of viruses which have remained in humans for more than millions of years apparently.

It does seem to be like a dormant protein virus spore in a way.

What kind of protein blocking gene therapies do we have on hand now?

Could finding a vaccine for wildlife in captivity make a difference for all of us?. vaccinate them and then find a vaccination for us to help future proof us from the COVID 19 from becoming a part 2.

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Date: 11/04/2020 17:10:51
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1536772
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

I searched for that link because I thought and wondered a little bit about the smaller quantity of patients globally who AFTER showing covid 19 positive results AFTER their first infection was supposed to have resolved.

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Date: 11/04/2020 17:25:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1536779
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

monkey skipper said:

What kind of protein blocking gene therapies do we have on hand now?

GS-5734

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Date: 11/04/2020 17:39:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1536786
Subject: re: Covid19 and Climate change.

SCIENCE said:


monkey skipper said:
What kind of protein blocking gene therapies do we have on hand now?

GS-5734

we haven’t evaluated the reliability of the source, but for those interested,

http://www.gabionline.net/Generics/News/Chinese-company-makes-copy-of-patented-coronavirus-treatment-remdesivir

now, we also need to know if they as good as those masks… or the milk-melamine…

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