Not a very helpful chart. The whole idea of the lockdown and everything else is to keep it as small as possible. Keeping it small is a success, the graphic seems to make it look trivial and a big fuss over nothing. A lot of effort is going into keeping it small.
Not a very helpful chart. The whole idea of the lockdown and everything else is to keep it as small as possible. Keeping it small is a success, the graphic seems to make it look trivial and a big fuss over nothing. A lot of effort is going into keeping it small.
You could read it as showing what is possible given some idea about cleanliness.
Not a very helpful chart. The whole idea of the lockdown and everything else is to keep it as small as possible. Keeping it small is a success, the graphic seems to make it look trivial and a big fuss over nothing. A lot of effort is going into keeping it small.
Not a very helpful chart. The whole idea of the lockdown and everything else is to keep it as small as possible. Keeping it small is a success, the graphic seems to make it look trivial and a big fuss over nothing. A lot of effort is going into keeping it small.
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I think it is helpful in showing the size compared to other pandemics that humans have lived through… there are people out there who are assuming this is the end..
“You may have heard the term “community transmission” being used in coronavirus news stories and updates from authorities.
It is used to describe the situation where a person is infected by the virus but they have not been overseas recently or been in recent contact with other confirmed cases.
The term basically means authorities are unable to trace the source of the infection.”
SDC, IS, PP, AD and CA are employees of and shareholders in Kinsa, Inc. IS conceived of and designed Kinsa products to track the spread of infectious disease. BDD has no competing financial interests. All authors have completed the ICMJE uniform disclosure form at www.icmje.org/coi_disclosure.pdf
now, we also need to know if they as good as those masks… or the milk-melamine…
(WINTATE current status as of this post)
COVID-19
See also: Coronavirus disease 2019 § Research, and COVID-19 drug repurposing research
In late January 2020, in response to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic, Gilead began laboratory testing of remdesivir against SARS-CoV-2, stating that remdesivir had been shown to be active against SARS and MERS in animal models of CoV infection. It also provided remdesivir for treatment of a “small number of patients” in collaboration with Chinese medical authorities. Also in late January 2020, remdesivir was administered to the first U.S. patient confirmed to be infected by SARS-CoV-2, in Snohomish County, Washington, for “compassionate use” after he progressed to pneumonia. While no broad conclusions can be made based on the single treatment, the patient’s condition improved dramatically the next day, and he was eventually discharged. Also in late January 2020, Chinese medical researchers reported that remdesivir and two other drugs, hydroxychloroquine and favipiravir, seemed to have “fairly good inhibitory effects” on SARS-CoV-2 (after exploratory research that examined 30 drug candidates), after which requests to begin clinical testing were submitted. On 6 February 2020, a clinical trial of remdesivir began in China.
On 17 March 2020, remdesivir was provisionally approved for use for COVID-19 patients in a serious condition in the Czech Republic. While no broad conclusions can be made based on the single treatment, results of remdesivir treatment of an Italian COVID-19 patient in Genoa, a 79-year-old, were described as successful on 18 March 2020. Other patients also received the treatment, the results of which are not known. On that date, the WHO announced the launch of a large four-arm pragmatic clinical trial (SOLIDARITY trial) that includes one group of patients treated with remdesivir.
On 20 March 2020, it was announced that Cleveland, Ohio-based University Hospitals would run two clinical trials to test the effectiveness of remdesivir against coronavirus. On the same date, President Trump announced that remdesivir was now available for “compassionate use” by patients that had tested positive for COVID-19; FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn confirmed the statement at the same press conference. That decision allowed physicians of COVID-19 patients to request permission to use the unapproved drug in the context of remdesivir’s investigational new drug (IND) status, outside of participation in a formal clinical trial.
On 23 March 2020, Gilead suspended access to remdesivir for compassionate use (excepting cases of critically ill children and pregnant women), for reasons related to supply, citing the need to continue to provide the agent for testing in clinical trials.
‘Union urges Qantas to extend COVID-19 sick leave to stood-down cabin crew
Qantas defends its decision not to allow cabin crew who contracted COVID-19 after being stood down access to their accrued sick leave entitlements, arguing there is “no job for them to be sick from” and that many of them became infected while on holidays.’
Move along, folks, nothing to see here.
Just Alan Joyce being the same obscenely-overpaid shit-headed arsehole he’s always been.
now, we also need to know if they as good as those masks… or the milk-melamine…
(WINTATE current status as of this post)
COVID-19
See also: Coronavirus disease 2019 § Research, and COVID-19 drug repurposing research
In late January 2020, in response to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic, Gilead began laboratory testing of remdesivir against SARS-CoV-2, stating that remdesivir had been shown to be active against SARS and MERS in animal models of CoV infection. It also provided remdesivir for treatment of a “small number of patients” in collaboration with Chinese medical authorities. Also in late January 2020, remdesivir was administered to the first U.S. patient confirmed to be infected by SARS-CoV-2, in Snohomish County, Washington, for “compassionate use” after he progressed to pneumonia. While no broad conclusions can be made based on the single treatment, the patient’s condition improved dramatically the next day, and he was eventually discharged. Also in late January 2020, Chinese medical researchers reported that remdesivir and two other drugs, hydroxychloroquine and favipiravir, seemed to have “fairly good inhibitory effects” on SARS-CoV-2 (after exploratory research that examined 30 drug candidates), after which requests to begin clinical testing were submitted. On 6 February 2020, a clinical trial of remdesivir began in China.
On 17 March 2020, remdesivir was provisionally approved for use for COVID-19 patients in a serious condition in the Czech Republic. While no broad conclusions can be made based on the single treatment, results of remdesivir treatment of an Italian COVID-19 patient in Genoa, a 79-year-old, were described as successful on 18 March 2020. Other patients also received the treatment, the results of which are not known. On that date, the WHO announced the launch of a large four-arm pragmatic clinical trial (SOLIDARITY trial) that includes one group of patients treated with remdesivir.
On 20 March 2020, it was announced that Cleveland, Ohio-based University Hospitals would run two clinical trials to test the effectiveness of remdesivir against coronavirus. On the same date, President Trump announced that remdesivir was now available for “compassionate use” by patients that had tested positive for COVID-19; FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn confirmed the statement at the same press conference. That decision allowed physicians of COVID-19 patients to request permission to use the unapproved drug in the context of remdesivir’s investigational new drug (IND) status, outside of participation in a formal clinical trial.
On 23 March 2020, Gilead suspended access to remdesivir for compassionate use (excepting cases of critically ill children and pregnant women), for reasons related to supply, citing the need to continue to provide the agent for testing in clinical trials.
The reason I ask we know that p53 is involved with breast cancer for example and p33 is it?
There are a few reasons that we want to switch off faults in proteins in our DNA.
If the virus needs our protein in our cells to replicate the RNA from its protein shell then block the protein pathway seems like the answer. No replication the virus carks it while in the host.
Have the anti-vaxxers been on their soap box with misinformation during this pandemic or being quiet due to the seriousness the govt is taking for those spruiking BS right now?
Have the anti-vaxxers been on their soap box with misinformation during this pandemic or being quiet due to the seriousness the govt is taking for those spruiking BS right now?
They’re waiting for the vaccine to be developed, so they can protest against it (after having surreptitiously received it).
ABC News:
‘New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian says she has not given the green light for rugby league to resume, despite the NRL saying it has been given the go-ahead to restart the season on May 28.’
Like anyone gives a shit about what Gladys says.
Just stay out of the way, Glad, let the big people get on with things.
ABC News:
‘New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian says she has not given the green light for rugby league to resume, despite the NRL saying it has been given the go-ahead to restart the season on May 28.’
Like anyone gives a shit about what Gladys says.
Just stay out of the way, Glad, let the big people get on with things.
Me thinks the NRL may be getting a wee bit desperate.
Have the anti-vaxxers been on their soap box with misinformation during this pandemic or being quiet due to the seriousness the govt is taking for those spruiking BS right now?
They’re waiting for the vaccine to be developed, so they can protest against it (after having surreptitiously received it).
I was going to say something about the enhanced neurological diversity after the covid-19 vaccines, an inappropriate jest, but half the population will likely be rocking in a corner banging their heads on the wall after the sustained social-sensory deprivation anyway, be a syndrome probably, covid-19 isolation syndrome
ABC News:
‘New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian says she has not given the green light for rugby league to resume, despite the NRL saying it has been given the go-ahead to restart the season on May 28.’
Like anyone gives a shit about what Gladys says.
Just stay out of the way, Glad, let the big people get on with things.
Me thinks the NRL may be getting a wee bit desperate.
ABC News:
‘New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian says she has not given the green light for rugby league to resume, despite the NRL saying it has been given the go-ahead to restart the season on May 28.’
Like anyone gives a shit about what Gladys says.
Just stay out of the way, Glad, let the big people get on with things.
The NRL will do as they are told, and be grateful for the attention.
ABC News:
‘New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian says she has not given the green light for rugby league to resume, despite the NRL saying it has been given the go-ahead to restart the season on May 28.’
Like anyone gives a shit about what Gladys says.
Just stay out of the way, Glad, let the big people get on with things.
The NRL will do as they are told, and be grateful for the attention.
Some people in Vic, SA & WA may have even heard about it this week.
The nucleocapsid protein (N-protein) and spike protein (S-protein) are encoded by all coronaviruses, including the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19) that was first detected in Wuhan City, China, in December 2019. Both recombinant forms of these proteins are now available from RayBiotech to advance infectious disease research (Figures 1 & 2).
Nucleocapsid Protein (N-Protein)
The nucleocapsid protein (N-protein) is a structural protein that binds to the coronavirus RNA genome, thus creating a shell (or capsid) around the enclosed nucleic acid. The N-protein also 1) interacts with the viral membrane protein during viral assembly, 2) assists in RNA synthesis and folding, 3) plays a role in virus budding, and 4) affects host cell responses, including cell cycle and translation.
The spike protein (S-protein) performs two primary tasks that aid in host infection: 1) mediates the attachment between the virus and host cell surface receptors, and 2) facilitates viral entry into the host cell by assisting in the fusion of the viral and host cell membranes.
Figure 2. S-protein domains
RBD = receptor binding domain; SP = signal peptide; SR = serine-arginine-rich; TM = transmembrane domain
ACE2
ACE2 is an endogenous membrane protein that enables COVID-19 infection. During infection, the extracellular peptidase domain of ACE2 binds to the receptor binding domain of spike protein, which is a surface protein on SARS-CoV-2.
See article for instructive images @ https://www.raybiotech.com/covid19-proteins/
Figure 3. Human ACE2 domains
view article for graphs @ https://www.raybiotech.com/covid19-proteins/
References
F Wu, et al. A new coronavirus associated with human respiratory disease in China. Nature. 579, 265–269 (2020).
N Dong, et al. Genomic and protein structure modelling analysis depicts the origin and infectivity of 2019-nCoV, a new coronavirus which caused a pneumonia outbreak in Wuhan, China. bioRxiv (2020).
M Hoffmann, et al. SARS-CoV-2 Cell Entry Depends on ACE2 and TMPRSS2 and Is Blocked by a Clinically Proven Protease Inhibitor. Cell. 181, 1–10 (2020).
W Li et al. Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 is a functional receptor for the SARS coronavirus. Nature. 426, 450–454 (2003).
SP = Signal peptide; TM = transmembrane domain; ID = Intracellular domain
Figure 4. SDS-PAGE analysis of the purified recombinant SARS-CoV-2 target proteins.
Figure 5. SDS-PAGE analysis of the purified recombinant SARS-CoV-2 target proteins and human ACE2. Lane 1: Protein standard ladder (kDa); Lane 2: Untreated protein under reducing conditions; Lane 3: Treated protein with deglycosylation enzymes under native conditions; Lane 4: Treated protein with deglycosylation enzymes under reducing conditions.
Figure 6. Western blotting analysis of transfected HEK293 cells shown the secretion and overexpression of SARS-CoV-2 target proteins. The enlarged molecular weight might be due to the abundant post-translation modifications.
References
F Wu, et al. A new coronavirus associated with human respiratory disease in China. Nature. 579, 265–269 (2020).
N Dong, et al. Genomic and protein structure modelling analysis depicts the origin and infectivity of 2019-nCoV, a new coronavirus which caused a pneumonia outbreak in Wuhan, China. bioRxiv (2020).
M Hoffmann, et al. SARS-CoV-2 Cell Entry Depends on ACE2 and TMPRSS2 and Is Blocked by a Clinically Proven Protease Inhibitor. Cell. 181, 1–10 (2020).
W Li et al. Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 is a functional receptor for the SARS coronavirus. Nature. 426, 450–454 (2003).
probably an (even inverted) inducement into the view everything is a negotiation in power relations. You can probably kiss egalitarianism goodbye where it’s effective, too few could mind their own business for long enough for egalitarianism to persist under that paradigm
probably an (even inverted) inducement into the view everything is a negotiation in power relations. You can probably kiss egalitarianism goodbye where it’s effective, too few could mind their own business for long enough for egalitarianism to persist under that paradigm
is “making it political” even a problem though, maybe some problems have [at least partially] political solutions, in which case “don’t make this political” is the idiot’s way of avoiding responsibility*
Are we going to get our footy back an time soon? Yes, that means you Mr Rugby League
.“If people just decide to let it burn in most areas and we do lose a couple million people it’d probably be over by the fall,” says Binney. “You’d have football. You’d also have two million dead people. And let’s talk about that number. We’re really bad at dealing with big numbers. That is a Super Bowl blown up by terrorists, killing every single person in the building, 24 times in six months. It’s 9/11 every day for 18 months. What freedoms have we given up, what wars have we fought, what blood have we shed, what money have we spent in the interest of stopping one more 9/11? This is 9/11 every day for 18 months.”
probably an (even inverted) inducement into the view everything is a negotiation in power relations. You can probably kiss egalitarianism goodbye where it’s effective, too few could mind their own business for long enough for egalitarianism to persist under that paradigm
is “making it political” even a problem though, maybe some problems have [at least partially] political solutions, in which case “don’t make this political” is the idiot’s way of avoiding responsibility*
*: at all
some joy I guess for those recruiting marginal personalities, offer something to fill the void, a notion that roughly translates into every human exchange is some sort of negotiation of power relations, but no the quiet egalitarianism of minding your own business, space to operate, where did that go, instead hyperpolitical encroachment
there maybe was a time governments had bureaucracies, departments to administer this and that, and i’m sure they still do, even vestiges, my point being if you look behind the leaders there’s the more mundane aspects of government, which really do more of the work, in large part that work is an act of or involving distribution of resources, which could even be less partisan, for the general good
I find it hard to believe that Russia is not on that list…
not yet
they did put the first man in orbit
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the USA may have got to the moon first, but that was all faked, a hoax, remember
Russia has the most rapid increase lately, proportionately, of all the countries I’ve looked at. Which means that the death toll there is still to go way way up.
I’ve just has a brief look at the data for the top 16 most populous countries in the world. All 16 have Covid-19 cases. So much for isolation by stopping international flights !
Six I’ve already reported on before (China, India, USA, Brazil, Russia, Japan).
Four have too few deaths to say anything about yet (Nigeria, Ethiopia, Vietnam, Congo).
The remaining five I’ll report on soon (Pakistan, Philippines, Mexico, Indonesia & Egypt). Of those, Pakistan has by far the lowest mortality rate, of the rough order of 2 to 3.5%.
For those of you playing at home: antibiotics were never effective against viruses.
They develop drugs, like the antibiotics, you see it — antibiotics used to solve every problem,” Trump claimed.
“No, one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can’t keep up with it, they’re constantly trying to come up with — a new. People go to a hospital and they catch — they go for a heart operation, that’s no problem, and they end up dying from problems,” Trump says. “You know the problems I’m talking about.”
There’s a whole genius to it,” he explained.
“We’re fighting — not only is it hidden, but it’s very smart,” he continued. “It’s invisible and it’s hidden, but it’s very smart.”
For those of you playing at home: antibiotics were never effective against viruses.
They develop drugs, like the antibiotics, you see it — antibiotics used to solve every problem,” Trump claimed.
“No, one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can’t keep up with it, they’re constantly trying to come up with — a new. People go to a hospital and they catch — they go for a heart operation, that’s no problem, and they end up dying from problems,” Trump says. “You know the problems I’m talking about.”
There’s a whole genius to it,” he explained.
“We’re fighting — not only is it hidden, but it’s very smart,” he continued. “It’s invisible and it’s hidden, but it’s very smart.”
Pollution in the River of Life, man.
The people who now listen to him will soon turn their backs, and nobody will quote his insensate gibbering any more.
For those of you playing at home: antibiotics were never effective against viruses.
They develop drugs, like the antibiotics, you see it — antibiotics used to solve every problem,” Trump claimed.
“No, one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can’t keep up with it, they’re constantly trying to come up with — a new. People go to a hospital and they catch — they go for a heart operation, that’s no problem, and they end up dying from problems,” Trump says. “You know the problems I’m talking about.”
There’s a whole genius to it,” he explained.
“We’re fighting — not only is it hidden, but it’s very smart,” he continued. “It’s invisible and it’s hidden, but it’s very smart.”
Pollution in the River of Life, man.
The people who now listen to him will soon turn their backs, and nobody will quote his insensate gibbering any more.
For those of you playing at home: antibiotics were never effective against viruses.
They develop drugs, like the antibiotics, you see it — antibiotics used to solve every problem,” Trump claimed.
“No, one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can’t keep up with it, they’re constantly trying to come up with — a new. People go to a hospital and they catch — they go for a heart operation, that’s no problem, and they end up dying from problems,” Trump says. “You know the problems I’m talking about.”
There’s a whole genius to it,” he explained.
“We’re fighting — not only is it hidden, but it’s very smart,” he continued. “It’s invisible and it’s hidden, but it’s very smart.”
Pollution in the River of Life, man.
The people who now listen to him will soon turn their backs, and nobody will quote his insensate gibbering any more.
Yet, his approval quietly increases…
Who knows. It’s not as if we can trust anything that comes out of their media.
I saw a poll tonight that showed the public perception that he was doing a good job of managing the Covid-19 situation had dropped from 56% to 48% in the last week.
The people who now listen to him will soon turn their backs, and nobody will quote his insensate gibbering any more.
Yet, his approval quietly increases…
Who knows. It’s not as if we can trust anything that comes out of their media.
I saw a poll tonight that showed the public perception that he was doing a good job of managing the Covid-19 situation had dropped from 56% to 48% in the last week.
>shrugs<
The fact it hasn’t dropped to zero just shows that they are screwed, and by extension so are the rest of us…
Who knows. It’s not as if we can trust anything that comes out of their media.
I saw a poll tonight that showed the public perception that he was doing a good job of managing the Covid-19 situation had dropped from 56% to 48% in the last week.
>shrugs<
The fact it hasn’t dropped to zero just shows that they are screwed, and by extension so are the rest of us…
He’s a fucking dumb shit. But at least 48% of the population are even dumber.
In Italy they were encouraging the public to hug a Chinaman because , racism.
In America democrats were furious when shut down flights from China, they too encouraged people to visit en masse to places like Chinatown.
As things go the democrats as a whole are a danger to themselves giving people BAD advice. Whilst the infection rages in America the only thing Biden can come up with is “racism” , he wants to know stats on how many black people have died.
“We cannot let this, we’ve never allowed any crisis from the Civil War straight through to the pandemic of 17, all the way around, 16, we have never, never let our democracy sakes second fiddle, way they, we can both have a democracy and elections and, at the same time, correct the public health.”
They project that 12 April Sunday (basically Monday our time) will be the peak in US daily deaths at 2212, tapering down to 800 by 1 May, and under 50 per day by end May.
ICU beds, hospital beds, and invasive respirator requirements are projected to peak on 11 April.
“However, the projection assumes full social distancing observed through May 2020. If, in practice, Americans deviate from established social distancing measures or restrictions are let up before May, the projection will likely change. “
There is a universal contagion curve. Yes. I posted it above. All counties follow close to the same curve for the number of active cases vs time.
Is there a universal death curve?
No. As this chart shows.
That means that there’s no way to predict a country’s coronavirus death toll. It also means that a worldwide prediction based on death data from China is sure to be a gross underestimate.
For those of you playing at home: antibiotics were never effective against viruses.
They develop drugs, like the antibiotics, you see it — antibiotics used to solve every problem,” Trump claimed.
“No, one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can’t keep up with it, they’re constantly trying to come up with — a new. People go to a hospital and they catch — they go for a heart operation, that’s no problem, and they end up dying from problems,” Trump says. “You know the problems I’m talking about.”
There’s a whole genius to it,” he explained.
“We’re fighting — not only is it hidden, but it’s very smart,” he continued. “It’s invisible and it’s hidden, but it’s very smart.”
Azithromycin was used with hydroxychloroquine in covid patients from one case study with good outcomes. but yes yes to all the other stuff.
People have this fixation about Trump, long after he has gone the managers will still be in charge, still making disasterous decisions.
Not to the same extent that it would be the case in Australia.
A lot of senior ‘public service’ posts in the US are political appointments. When a new Pres comes in, he can say to a lot of people ‘you’re sacked’ and put in someone who supports him, or to whom he owes a favour. The same is not the case here.
People have this fixation about Trump, long after he has gone the managers will still be in charge, still making disasterous decisions.
Not to the same extent that it would be the case in Australia.
A lot of senior ‘public service’ posts in the US are political appointments. When a new Pres comes in, he can say to a lot of people ‘you’re sacked’ and put in someone who supports him, or to whom he owes a favour. The same is not the case here.
We have more the Sir Humphrey Appleby type of system.
Crime drops around the world as lockdowns keep people inside
With the world’s population largely remaining indoors under measures imposed to control the spread of coronavirus, crime rates have decreased, in some places to levels unseen in decades.
Even among regions that have the highest levels of violence outside war zones, fewer people are being killed and fewer robberies are taking place.
However, many law-enforcement officials are worried about a surge of unreported domestic violence, and what might happen when restrictions lift — or go on too long.
Chicago — one of America’s most violent cities, drug arrests have plummeted 42 per cent in the weeks since the city shut down
New York — murder, rape, robbery, burglary, assault, grand larceny and car theft have decreased by 12 per cent from February to March
Los Angeles — 2020 crimes statistics were consistent with last year’s figures until mid- March, when they dropped by 30 per cent
El Salvador — there has been an average of two killings a day last month, down from a peak of 600 a day a few years ago
Peru — crime levels fell 84 per cent last month
South Africa — reported rapes were down from 700 to 101 over the same period last year, while serious assault cases have plummeted from 2,673 to 456, and murders have fallen from 326 to 94
Remember how we brought to your attention how Turkey was looking all dandy ¿
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With just hours of notice, Turkey goes into lockdown
Two officers in high-vis stand in the middle of an empty three-lane highway.
A two-day curfew was declared by the Turkish Government to slow the spread of coronavirus.(AP Photo/Emrah Gurel)
Major cities in Turkey, including mega-city Istanbul, have been placed on a 48-hour lockdown as the Turkish Government tries to stem the spread of coronavirus.
The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has announced an investigation into a $14,990 device spruiked by celebrity chef Pete Evans as a treatment for the coronavirus.
“Estimates of the Undetected Rate among the SARS-CoV-2 Infected using Testing Data from Iceland
James H Stock, Karl M Aspelund, Michael Droste, Christopher D Walker
Abstract
Testing for SARS-CoV-2 in the United States is currently targeted to individuals whose symptoms and/or jobs place them at a high presumed risk of infection. An open question is, what is the share of infections that are undetected under current testing guidelines? To answer this question, we turn to COVID-19 testing data from Iceland. The criteria for testing within the Icelandic medical system, processed by the National University Hospital of Iceland (NUHI), have also been targeted at high-risk individuals, but additionally most Icelanders qualify for voluntary testing through the biopharmaceutical company deCODE genetics. We use results from Iceland’s two testing programs to estimate the share of infections that are undetected under standard (NUHI) testing guidelines.
Because of complications in the deCODE testing regime, it is not possible to estimate a single value for this this undetected rate; however, a range can be estimated. Our primary estimates for the fraction of infections that are undetected range from 88.7% to 93.6%.”
So, around 90% of infections are not detected. (USA.)
So, we could be looking at a high percentage of undetected infections in Australia. Maybe 75%?
“Estimates of the Undetected Rate among the SARS-CoV-2 Infected using Testing Data from Iceland
James H Stock, Karl M Aspelund, Michael Droste, Christopher D Walker
Abstract
Testing for SARS-CoV-2 in the United States is currently targeted to individuals whose symptoms and/or jobs place them at a high presumed risk of infection. An open question is, what is the share of infections that are undetected under current testing guidelines? To answer this question, we turn to COVID-19 testing data from Iceland. The criteria for testing within the Icelandic medical system, processed by the National University Hospital of Iceland (NUHI), have also been targeted at high-risk individuals, but additionally most Icelanders qualify for voluntary testing through the biopharmaceutical company deCODE genetics. We use results from Iceland’s two testing programs to estimate the share of infections that are undetected under standard (NUHI) testing guidelines.
Because of complications in the deCODE testing regime, it is not possible to estimate a single value for this this undetected rate; however, a range can be estimated. Our primary estimates for the fraction of infections that are undetected range from 88.7% to 93.6%.”
So, around 90% of infections are not detected. (USA.)
So, we could be looking at a high percentage of undetected infections in Australia. Maybe 75%?
“Exercising caution in correlating COVID-19 incidence and mortality rates with BCG vaccination policies due to variable rates of SARS CoV-2 testing
Janine Hensel, Daniel J McGrail, Kathleen M McAndrews, Dara Dowlatshahi, Valerie S LeBleu, Raghu Kalluri”
Abstract
The Bacillus Calmette-Guerin (BCG) vaccine provides protection against tuberculosis (TB), and is proposed to provide protection to non-TB infectious diseases. The COVID-19 outbreak results from infection with the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 (CoV-2) and was declared a pandemic on March 11th, 2020.
We queried whether the BCG vaccine offers protection against CoV-2 infection. We observed that countries with a current universal BCG vaccination policy have a significantly lower COVID-19 incidence than countries which never had a universal BCG policy or had one in the past. However, population density, median age, TB incidence, urban population, and, most significantly, CoV-2 testing rate, were also connected with BCG policy and could potentially confound the analysis. By limiting the analysis to countries with high CoV-2 testing rates, defined as greater than 2,500 tests per million inhabitants, these parameters were no longer statistically associated with BCG policy.
When analyzing only countries with high testing rates, there was no longer a significant association between the number of COVID-19 cases per million inhabitants and the BCG vaccination policy. Although preliminary, our analyses indicate that the BCG vaccination may not offer protection against CoV-2 infection. While reporting biases may confound our observations, our findings support exercising caution in determining potential correlation between BCG vaccination and COVID-19 incidence, in part due significantly lower rates of CoV-2 testing per million inhabitants in countries with current universal BCG vaccination policy.”
“Estimates of the Undetected Rate among the SARS-CoV-2 Infected using Testing Data from Iceland
James H Stock, Karl M Aspelund, Michael Droste, Christopher D Walker
Abstract
Testing for SARS-CoV-2 in the United States is currently targeted to individuals whose symptoms and/or jobs place them at a high presumed risk of infection. An open question is, what is the share of infections that are undetected under current testing guidelines? To answer this question, we turn to COVID-19 testing data from Iceland. The criteria for testing within the Icelandic medical system, processed by the National University Hospital of Iceland (NUHI), have also been targeted at high-risk individuals, but additionally most Icelanders qualify for voluntary testing through the biopharmaceutical company deCODE genetics. We use results from Iceland’s two testing programs to estimate the share of infections that are undetected under standard (NUHI) testing guidelines.
Because of complications in the deCODE testing regime, it is not possible to estimate a single value for this this undetected rate; however, a range can be estimated. Our primary estimates for the fraction of infections that are undetected range from 88.7% to 93.6%.”
So, around 90% of infections are not detected. (USA.)
So, we could be looking at a high percentage of undetected infections in Australia. Maybe 75%?
“Exercising caution in correlating COVID-19 incidence and mortality rates with BCG vaccination policies due to variable rates of SARS CoV-2 testing
Janine Hensel, Daniel J McGrail, Kathleen M McAndrews, Dara Dowlatshahi, Valerie S LeBleu, Raghu Kalluri”
Abstract
The Bacillus Calmette-Guerin (BCG) vaccine provides protection against tuberculosis (TB), and is proposed to provide protection to non-TB infectious diseases. The COVID-19 outbreak results from infection with the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 (CoV-2) and was declared a pandemic on March 11th, 2020.
We queried whether the BCG vaccine offers protection against CoV-2 infection. We observed that countries with a current universal BCG vaccination policy have a significantly lower COVID-19 incidence than countries which never had a universal BCG policy or had one in the past. However, population density, median age, TB incidence, urban population, and, most significantly, CoV-2 testing rate, were also connected with BCG policy and could potentially confound the analysis. By limiting the analysis to countries with high CoV-2 testing rates, defined as greater than 2,500 tests per million inhabitants, these parameters were no longer statistically associated with BCG policy.
When analyzing only countries with high testing rates, there was no longer a significant association between the number of COVID-19 cases per million inhabitants and the BCG vaccination policy. Although preliminary, our analyses indicate that the BCG vaccination may not offer protection against CoV-2 infection. While reporting biases may confound our observations, our findings support exercising caution in determining potential correlation between BCG vaccination and COVID-19 incidence, in part due significantly lower rates of CoV-2 testing per million inhabitants in countries with current universal BCG vaccination policy.”
BCG vaccination is not recommended for general use in the Australian population or for most health care workers (HCWs). BCG vaccination is contraindicated in HIV infected persons.
BCG vaccination is recommended for:
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander neonates in communities with a high incidence of TB;
Neonates and children 5 years of age and under who will be travelling to or living in countries or areas with a high prevalence of TB for extended periods;
Neonates born to parents with leprosy or a family history of leprosy.
BCG vaccination may be considered in the following:
Children over 5 years of age who will be travelling to or living in countries or areas with a high prevalence of TB for extended periods; HCWs who may be at high risk of exposure to drug resistant TB.
“Estimates of the Undetected Rate among the SARS-CoV-2 Infected using Testing Data from Iceland
James H Stock, Karl M Aspelund, Michael Droste, Christopher D Walker
Abstract
Testing for SARS-CoV-2 in the United States is currently targeted to individuals whose symptoms and/or jobs place them at a high presumed risk of infection. An open question is, what is the share of infections that are undetected under current testing guidelines? To answer this question, we turn to COVID-19 testing data from Iceland. The criteria for testing within the Icelandic medical system, processed by the National University Hospital of Iceland (NUHI), have also been targeted at high-risk individuals, but additionally most Icelanders qualify for voluntary testing through the biopharmaceutical company deCODE genetics. We use results from Iceland’s two testing programs to estimate the share of infections that are undetected under standard (NUHI) testing guidelines.
Because of complications in the deCODE testing regime, it is not possible to estimate a single value for this this undetected rate; however, a range can be estimated. Our primary estimates for the fraction of infections that are undetected range from 88.7% to 93.6%.”
So, around 90% of infections are not detected. (USA.)
So, we could be looking at a high percentage of undetected infections in Australia. Maybe 75%?
doubtful, in that people are not getting super sick, and apparently even testing the ones who are kind of sick, we aren’t finding it
our guess would be 10 to 25% but we’re not the government
But considering and including asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic people?
Don’t know. If they’re out there, they don’t seem to be massively spreading it.
While we have complained much about the slowness of our institutions here (AU) to respond, we laud the fact that they seem to have listened to expertise early enough that the problem hasn’t (yet?) exploded in everyone’s faces.
Could we test more? Yes. Have we tested pretty well so far? Actually looks like it.
More numbers we might want to be hanging out for are
– full blown infections
– asymptomatic infections where virus is multiplying and can spread
– immunisations without significant virus load (do these happen here, without artificial immunisation?)
– failure to develop immunity (KR are reporting some positive-negative-positive tests, but do they represent this, or just reactivation?)
those other causes are remarkably stable, are you sure that’s Real Data you’ve got there
I think the “other causes” are averaged, as the title says “Daily Covid vs. US Daily Average Cause of Death”. ie “on average” 1774 people die from heart disease every day in the US.
those other causes are remarkably stable, are you sure that’s Real Data you’ve got there
Woodie said:
I think the “other causes” are averaged, as the title says “Daily Covid vs. US Daily Average Cause of Death”. ie “on average” 1774 people die from heart disease every day in the US.
dv said:
As the heading says, vs Average Cause Of Death
fair, it would be interesting to see how they stack up on a running daily basis
the next Not A Cover Up move we will see (conferatur We Don’t Test So We Don’t Have Many Confirmed) will be those Chinese Americans dragging out their ventilated cases, until they die of something else, like Heart Disease or Cancer or Stroke or Alzheimer’s or Diabetes or Kidney Disease or Suicide (don’t ask us how) or Liver Disease or High Blood Pressure or Parkinson’s, and then they can call it that instead of COVID-19
those other causes are remarkably stable, are you sure that’s Real Data you’ve got there
Woodie said:
I think the “other causes” are averaged, as the title says “Daily Covid vs. US Daily Average Cause of Death”. ie “on average” 1774 people die from heart disease every day in the US.
dv said:
As the heading says, vs Average Cause Of Death
fair, it would be interesting to see how they stack up on a running daily basis
the next Not A Cover Up move we will see (conferatur We Don’t Test So We Don’t Have Many Confirmed) will be those Chinese Americans dragging out their ventilated cases, until they die of something else, like Heart Disease or Cancer or Stroke or Alzheimer’s or Diabetes or Kidney Disease or Suicide (don’t ask us how) or Liver Disease or High Blood Pressure or Parkinson’s, and then they can call it that instead of COVID-19
Well quite.
If anything we’d expect some causes of death to be down, because a couple of percent of the people are dying of Covid-19 when they would have died of something else otherwise, and also because some causes of death are down because of the stay-in-place provisions (vehicular deaths, shootings etc)
fair, it would be interesting to see how they stack up on a running daily basis
the next Not A Cover Up move we will see (conferatur We Don’t Test So We Don’t Have Many Confirmed) will be those Chinese Americans dragging out their ventilated cases, until they die of something else, like Heart Disease or Cancer or Stroke or Alzheimer’s or Diabetes or Kidney Disease or Suicide (don’t ask us how) or Liver Disease or High Blood Pressure or Parkinson’s, and then they can call it that instead of COVID-19
Well quite.
If anything we’d expect some causes of death to be down, because a couple of percent of the people are dying of Covid-19 when they would have died of something else otherwise, and also because some causes of death are down because of the stay-in-place provisions (vehicular deaths, shootings etc)
Also, some of those daily averages appear to be several years out of date.
This video likely shows the relatively common small Indian civet, not the critically endangered Malabar civet, but the specific species has yet to be confirmed.
Tasmania’s Premier Peter Gutwein says the North West Regional Hospital and North West Private Hospital in Burnie will close because of the coronavirus outbreak.
All staff and members of their households — more than 1,000 people — will go into quarantine for two weeks.
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Mmm, lucky it’s School Holidays eh, otherwise imagine how far behind those students would be, having to Stay Home With Their Healthcare Worker Families, that’s 30% of the workforce impact right there, lucky lucky.
REPORTER: “What metrics will you use to make that decision?”
TRUMP, while pointing to his head: “ The metrics right here. That’s my metrics.”
IHTAMAA, but,
I actually think that’s a reasonable response to a reporter trying to be a smart arse.
Right but this doesn’t seem to be a response to a reporter being a smart arse. This is a straightforward question, one of the most important questions of our times, and one that a quarter-way decent head of government would have had a good answer to.
REPORTER: “What metrics will you use to make that decision?”
TRUMP, while pointing to his head: “ The metrics right here. That’s my metrics.”
IHTAMAA, but,
I actually think that’s a reasonable response to a reporter trying to be a smart arse.
Right but this doesn’t seem to be a response to a reporter being a smart arse. This is a straightforward question, one of the most important questions of our times, and one that a quarter-way decent head of government would have had a good answer to.
At this stage you’re just picking on a mentally retarded guy, Daz.
The ‘mericans wanted him, so they got him. He is the president of everything about the United States of America – The person who best represents their cultural values. He has survived three years and five months in that position for very good reasons.
I’m sure you remember how often I’ve said “All Americans are stupid”? The ascendancy of Trumpian society was clearly predicted by sociologists more than 40 years ago. It might be entirely good and healthy to rail against the destruction he causes, but it seems to me you can’t do that without acknowledging that most Americans want him there most of the time.
I put it to you that anything you might accuse him of is merely a reflection (perhaps in excess) of the society he presides over. Until I am convinced otherwise, all Americans are fat, stupid, narcissistic, greedy, arseholes.
I actually think that’s a reasonable response to a reporter trying to be a smart arse.
Right but this doesn’t seem to be a response to a reporter being a smart arse. This is a straightforward question, one of the most important questions of our times, and one that a quarter-way decent head of government would have had a good answer to.
At this stage you’re just picking on a mentally retarded guy, Daz.
The ‘mericans wanted him, so they got him. He is the president of everything about the United States of America – The person who best represents their cultural values. He has survived three years and five months in that position for very good reasons.
I’m sure you remember how often I’ve said “All Americans are stupid”? The ascendancy of Trumpian society was clearly predicted by sociologists more than 40 years ago. It might be entirely good and healthy to rail against the destruction he causes, but it seems to me you can’t do that without acknowledging that most Americans want him there most of the time.
I put it to you that anything you might accuse him of is merely a reflection (perhaps in excess) of the society he presides over. Until I am convinced otherwise, all Americans are fat, stupid, narcissistic, greedy, arseholes.
Well I guess they’ll have another opportunity to win back your favour in November
Right but this doesn’t seem to be a response to a reporter being a smart arse. This is a straightforward question, one of the most important questions of our times, and one that a quarter-way decent head of government would have had a good answer to.
At this stage you’re just picking on a mentally retarded guy, Daz.
The ‘mericans wanted him, so they got him. He is the president of everything about the United States of America – The person who best represents their cultural values. He has survived three years and five months in that position for very good reasons.
I’m sure you remember how often I’ve said “All Americans are stupid”? The ascendancy of Trumpian society was clearly predicted by sociologists more than 40 years ago. It might be entirely good and healthy to rail against the destruction he causes, but it seems to me you can’t do that without acknowledging that most Americans want him there most of the time.
I put it to you that anything you might accuse him of is merely a reflection (perhaps in excess) of the society he presides over. Until I am convinced otherwise, all Americans are fat, stupid, narcissistic, greedy, arseholes.
Well I guess they’ll have another opportunity to win back your favour in November
That must be balanced against the loss of revenue the Govt normally gains from pokie tax.
And that online gambling never shuts.
And that even if gambling nett revenue has fallen, the receivers of that money used to bury it in a hole in the ground, rather than spending it or investing it.
I doubt it, since most of the money would go offshore.
Still, it’s helping the economy of India and places like that, which is a good thing.
in the same way buying cocaïne helps the poor Columbian on the street ¿
Well IMO, the negative effects of cocaine are substantially worse than the negative effects of gambling, so the cost/benefit balance would be different, but yes, helping poor people in Columbia is a good thing.
I doubt it, since most of the money would go offshore.
Still, it’s helping the economy of India and places like that, which is a good thing.
Gambling is highly regulated. I would be surprised if online operators are not required to pay the same taxes and meet the same obligations as real world operators.
I doubt it, since most of the money would go offshore.
Still, it’s helping the economy of India and places like that, which is a good thing.
Gambling is highly regulated. I would be surprised if online operators are not required to pay the same taxes and meet the same obligations as real world operators.
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I suppose the companies operating from Australia, who also have an off-line business, might be regulated, but how would they regulate a company operating from off-shore?
I doubt it, since most of the money would go offshore.
Still, it’s helping the economy of India and places like that, which is a good thing.
Gambling is highly regulated. I would be surprised if online operators are not required to pay the same taxes and meet the same obligations as real world operators.
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I suppose the companies operating from Australia, who also have an off-line business, might be regulated, but how would they regulate a company operating from off-shore?
Yeah you’re right. I was referring to online companies that specifically have Australian operations. However a quick look online seems to suggest that offshore gambling is already illegal for reasons of financial transparency and suppressing money laundering.
That must be balanced against the loss of revenue the Govt normally gains from pokie tax.
And that online gambling never shuts.
what’s real wealth I wonder, did gambling ever produce any real wealth, or did ‘revenue’ however it’s got, somehow become wealth, and is that part of the liberated capitalist morality
That page is updated several times a day – basically whenever the team gets new data. Generally the first update is about 6 am, and the last between 7 pm and 9 pm.
That page is updated several times a day – basically whenever the team gets new data. Generally the first update is about 6 am, and the last between 7 pm and 9 pm.
good isn’t it, Australian’s secret snobbery lends to social hygiene so effectively, the pragmatic love
And although we are getting more packed together in the cities, there are still a lot off the Australian population who don’t live without their own bedroom.
The UK have exceeded China for number of cases now.
Depending on Chinese veracity.
… and the UK’s too. The UK’s number of tests per capita are on the low side, and their death rate per number of confirmed cases is quite high, leading to the thought that they have many more cases in the general population going unreported.
The UK have exceeded China for number of cases now.
Depending on Chinese veracity.
… and the UK’s too. The UK’s number of tests per capita are on the low side, and their death rate per number of confirmed cases is quite high, leading to the thought that they have many more cases in the general population going unreported.
… and the UK’s too. The UK’s number of tests per capita are on the low side, and their death rate per number of confirmed cases is quite high, leading to the thought that they have many more cases in the general population going unreported.
yeah, but the UK people are like us so that’s OK.
I agree. The comparison depends on accurate and reliable counts from al sources.
The UK may be under-reporting, but that’s most likely be due to good ol’ British inefficiency and muddle-headedness.
If China’s claims of zero (nil, zilch, goose-egg) new infections is suspect, it’s more likely to be due to concealment and disingenuousness, for political and economic reasons.
… and the UK’s too. The UK’s number of tests per capita are on the low side, and their death rate per number of confirmed cases is quite high, leading to the thought that they have many more cases in the general population going unreported.
yeah, but the UK people are like us so that’s OK.
People like you maybe, but I’m definitely not one of them.
… and the UK’s too. The UK’s number of tests per capita are on the low side, and their death rate per number of confirmed cases is quite high, leading to the thought that they have many more cases in the general population going unreported.
yeah, but the UK people are like us so that’s OK.
I agree. The comparison depends on accurate and reliable counts from al sources.
The UK may be under-reporting, but that’s most likely be due to good ol’ British inefficiency and muddle-headedness.
If China’s claims of zero (nil, zilch, goose-egg) new infections is suspect, it’s more likely to be due to concealment and disingenuousness, for political and economic reasons.
China are not reporting zero cases, they are still reporting a couple of hundred per day. Just not the several thousand per day they were reporting at the peak.
I agree. The comparison depends on accurate and reliable counts from al sources.
The UK may be under-reporting, but that’s most likely be due to good ol’ British inefficiency and muddle-headedness.
If China’s claims of zero (nil, zilch, goose-egg) new infections is suspect, it’s more likely to be due to concealment and disingenuousness, for political and economic reasons.
China are not reporting zero cases, they are still reporting a couple of hundred per day. Just not the several thousand per day they were reporting at the peak.
I did look to see if there were any newies reported from China. I saw the figure of 108, but i thought that was an old report. Now i realise that it’s from yesterday.
… and the UK’s too. The UK’s number of tests per capita are on the low side, and their death rate per number of confirmed cases is quite high, leading to the thought that they have many more cases in the general population going unreported.
… and the UK’s too. The UK’s number of tests per capita are on the low side, and their death rate per number of confirmed cases is quite high, leading to the thought that they have many more cases in the general population going unreported.
I agree. The comparison depends on accurate and reliable counts from al sources.
The UK may be under-reporting, but that’s most likely be due to good ol’ British inefficiency and muddle-headedness.
If China’s claims of zero (nil, zilch, goose-egg) new infections is suspect, it’s more likely to be due to concealment and disingenuousness, for political and economic reasons.
China are not reporting zero cases, they are still reporting a couple of hundred per day. Just not the several thousand per day they were reporting at the peak.
I did look to see if there were any newies reported from China. I saw the figure of 108, but i thought that was an old report. Now i realise that it’s from yesterday.
Very good news, in a population that size.
I still don’t completely trust their figures. The drop from 14,000 new cases down to 500 in the space of just two weeks seems too fast to be true, given what we know of the incubation period and asymptomatic phase of the disease.
China are not reporting zero cases, they are still reporting a couple of hundred per day. Just not the several thousand per day they were reporting at the peak.
I did look to see if there were any newies reported from China. I saw the figure of 108, but i thought that was an old report. Now i realise that it’s from yesterday.
Very good news, in a population that size.
I still don’t completely trust their figures. The drop from 14,000 new cases down to 500 in the space of just two weeks seems too fast to be true, given what we know of the incubation period and asymptomatic phase of the disease.
Oh, i don’t trust them, either.
I just hope that their true figures aren’t utterly and horrendously different from what they’re declaring. Like, maybe 1,000 a day rather than the reported 100. Even that’d be encouraging.
From: dv
ID: 1532173
Subject: re: Corona Virus March 29-April 4
So on trends, my predictions for the death count for Sun Apr 12 (ie those published Mon Apr 13 our time) would be USA 37423, Italy 21431, Spain 19211, UK 19787, France 12828, Iran 4500, Germany 3608, Netherlands 3542, Belgiu, 3505, China 3332.
Happily most of the estimates I made 10 days were way over. The UK daily death count didn’t cross 1000 per day yet and even the growth of the US daily death count started to flatten out. France was the only one that was way worse than my guess, after they found hundreds of previously unaccounted deaths outside of hospitals.
Country, 4AprEst, 13AprActual USA 37423, 22105
Italy 21431, 19899
Spain 19211, 17209
UK 19787, 10612
France 12828, 14393
Iran 4500, 4474
Germany 3608, 3022
Netherlands 3542, 2737
Belgium 3505, 3600
China 3332, 3339
Those are still the top ten so I suppose it is kind of good news that no one else has popped over the 2000 line in that 9 day period.
China are not reporting zero cases, they are still reporting a couple of hundred per day. Just not the several thousand per day they were reporting at the peak.
I did look to see if there were any newies reported from China. I saw the figure of 108, but i thought that was an old report. Now i realise that it’s from yesterday.
Very good news, in a population that size.
I still don’t completely trust their figures. The drop from 14,000 new cases down to 500 in the space of just two weeks seems too fast to be true, given what we know of the incubation period and asymptomatic phase of the disease.
yeah imagine going from 400 to 30 in 15 days what a load of bullshit
I did look to see if there were any newies reported from China. I saw the figure of 108, but i thought that was an old report. Now i realise that it’s from yesterday.
Very good news, in a population that size.
I still don’t completely trust their figures. The drop from 14,000 new cases down to 500 in the space of just two weeks seems too fast to be true, given what we know of the incubation period and asymptomatic phase of the disease.
Oh, i don’t trust them, either.
I just hope that their true figures aren’t utterly and horrendously different from what they’re declaring. Like, maybe 1,000 a day rather than the reported 100. Even that’d be encouraging.
See the thing is, I can believe that an authoritarian regime with basically unlimited emergency powers can limit the transmissions to 100 a day. If they are literally doing what is reported, shutting entire communities down, not allowing people to leave their sectors…
What I’m not believing is the death counts. Even with few transmissions, we’d be expecting more deaths. They reported 37000 active cases in end Feb, yet in the first two weeks of February, they’ve only reported about 200 deaths. Really? Starting from end Feb, all the active cases then plus all the new cases comes to about 40000, yet in all the time since the end of February, they’ve had 350 deaths. This is not a believable survivorhood rate.
What I’m not believing is the death counts. Even with few transmissions, we’d be expecting more deaths. They reported 37000 active cases in end Feb, yet in the first two weeks of March, they’ve only reported about 200 deaths. Really? Starting from end Feb, all the active cases then plus all the new cases comes to about 40000, yet in all the time since the end of February, they’ve had 350 deaths. This is not a believable survivorhood rate.
I did look to see if there were any newies reported from China. I saw the figure of 108, but i thought that was an old report. Now i realise that it’s from yesterday.
Very good news, in a population that size.
I still don’t completely trust their figures. The drop from 14,000 new cases down to 500 in the space of just two weeks seems too fast to be true, given what we know of the incubation period and asymptomatic phase of the disease.
yeah imagine going from 400 to 30 in 15 days what a load of bullshit
For any country that is not yet in the uncontained community transmission phase and is still in that seeding phase where cases are directly linked to overseas travel or cruise ships; it is very credible for them to claim a reduction in figures from 400 per day to 30 just through closing their borders and imposing social distancing.
It is countries in that uncontained community transmission phase who report a sudden steep drop that you have to wonder ablout.
What I’m not believing is the death counts. Even with few transmissions, we’d be expecting more deaths. They reported 37000 active cases in end Feb, yet in the first two weeks of March, they’ve only reported about 200 deaths. Really? Starting from end Feb, all the active cases then plus all the new cases comes to about 40000, yet in all the time since the end of February, they’ve had 350 deaths. This is not a believable survivorhood rate.
Corrected, in bold.
well that’s easy
you know how all the other countries including Australia just tried to release all their prisoners
The Tasmanian Government has called in assistance from the Federal Government and Australian Defence Force as it tries to contain a coronavirus outbreak in the state’s north-west.
Key points:
The North West Regional Hospital and North West Private Hospital closed this morning
Emergency medical teams will be sent to Burnie to provide cover when the NWRH reopens
Of the state’s 144 COVID-19 cases, 43 are healthcare workers
Between 4,000 and 5,000 Tasmanians will be forced into two weeks of quarantine from today as part of the shutdown of two hospitals on the north-west coast.
Tasmanian Premier Peter Gutwein announced yesterday that Burnie’s North West Regional Hospital and North West Private Hospital would be closed from 7:00am today.
Tasmania COVID-19 snapshot
Confirmed cases: 144
Deaths: 5
What do I do if I think I have coronavirus?
If you think you might have COVID-19 because you feel unwell with a fever, cough, sore throat or shortness of breath and have travelled recently or had contact with a confirmed case, phone your GP or the Tasmanian Public Health Hotline on 1800 671 738.
Need an interpreter?
Phone the Tasmanian Interpreting Service on 131 450 and tell them your language.
For more information and factsheets:
Visit the Tasmanian Department of Health’s coronavirus page here.
About 1,200 staff and their households will undertake the mandatory 14-day quarantine.
Eleven more people, eight of them hospital staff, tested positive for COVID-19 yesterday, taking the state’s tally to 144. Of those, 43 are healthcare workers.
Mr Gutwein said he understood the decision to close the hospitals and force thousands of people into quarantine would be very disruptive.
“I don’t think any Premier ever, in the history of this state, has had to ask so many people to do so much to help us to get on top of this outbreak,” he said.
“The measures we put in place now, I hope, will be supported by the north-west community.
“We need you to work with us, we need you to follow the rules, to do as we ask, to stay home, to save lives.
“We will get through this but the only way that we will get through this is together.”
He said while the quarantine order was “an extreme measure, it’s a measure that we needed to take”.
“That is unprecedented. It’s a significant ask of the north-west coast and the residents of the north-west coast,” he said.
“I would ask that you take the necessary steps to ensure that we can control this outbreak not only flatten the curve, but work to crush it.”
He said it was essential people followed the rules if they wanted their lives to return to normal.
“If we can lock down for two weeks then there is an opportunity for us to return and start to lift the additional restrictions that we put in place on the north-west coast,” he said.
“This is difficult, there is an outbreak occurring there. They are the epicentre of our battle at the moment and we need you to work with us.”
Coronavirus update: Follow the latest news in our daily wrap.
Of yesterday’s cases, seven were from the NWRH, one worked at that hospital and at the Mersey Community Hospital near Devonport, one was a patient at the Mersey Community Hospital, and two were contacts.
“The provisions that we’ve made with regards to the Mersey Community Hospital, we have reconfigured that hospital, we have infectious diseases experts on site to ensure that that site is configured as safely as possible,” Health Minister Sarah Courtney said.
She said extra PPE (personal protective equipment) was being sent to the Mersey Community Hospital.
And she stressed that emergency medical care was still available on the north-west coast.
“I’d like to reassure all Tasmanians that if you’re on the north-west coast and you experience a medical emergency, please do not hesitate to call 000,’ she said.
“We have plans in place to make sure that you get the highest quality care.”
She said ADF medics would help get the emergency department at the NWRH up and running again once it had been thoroughly cleaned.
“We are going to deploy these clean staff that have been provided from the ADF and from AusMAT (Australian Medical Assistance Teams) to Burnie to enable emergency department presentations within 72 hours,” she said.
“That is our aim — to make sure that that community has a health care service as they need.”
Police patrols continue
Aerial view of Table Cape.
Photo: Police were patrolling Table Cape this Easter weekend to check for those breaking coronavirus measures. (Supplied: Tasmania Police)
Police are promising more frequent and highly visible patrols on Tasmanian roads and in the air as the Easter long weekend comes to a close.
In the past 24 hours there were six summonses and arrests for breaches of coronavirus laws, with 20 advice notices and warnings issued.
In the 24 hours to Sunday morning, police charged 23 people with failing to comply with social-distancing laws.
On Sunday the Premier said police would be paying “special attention” to areas in the north-west.
Acting Deputy Commissioner Jonathan Higgins said it was generally quiet.
“It seems that most of the community is acting responsibility, and we thank them for their compliance.,” he said.
“It is pleasing to note that the number of people doing the wrong thing has decreased in the past 24 hours.
“However, there are still examples of people taking risks and selfishly ignoring the restrictions.”
In one instance, police intercepted two men who drove nearly 500 kilometres on a return trip from Railton to Strahan, via Rosebery, to purchase a car for sale on the side of the road.
The pair stopped twice for fuel and coffee.
Police said this was an unnecessary trip which potentially put other communities at risk.
The men are being proceeded against for several offences.
“With the additional stronger restrictions on retail activity now in place in the north-west, there are fewer reasons to leave your home,” Acting Deputy Commissioner Higgins said
The Tasmanian Government has called in assistance from the Federal Government and Australian Defence Force as it tries to contain a coronavirus outbreak in the state’s north-west.
Key points:
The North West Regional Hospital and North West Private Hospital closed this morning
Emergency medical teams will be sent to Burnie to provide cover when the NWRH reopens
Of the state’s 144 COVID-19 cases, 43 are healthcare workers
Between 4,000 and 5,000 Tasmanians will be forced into two weeks of quarantine from today as part of the shutdown of two hospitals on the north-west coast.
Tasmanian Premier Peter Gutwein announced yesterday that Burnie’s North West Regional Hospital and North West Private Hospital would be closed from 7:00am today.
Tasmania COVID-19 snapshot
Confirmed cases: 144
Deaths: 5
What do I do if I think I have coronavirus?
If you think you might have COVID-19 because you feel unwell with a fever, cough, sore throat or shortness of breath and have travelled recently or had contact with a confirmed case, phone your GP or the Tasmanian Public Health Hotline on 1800 671 738.
Need an interpreter?
Phone the Tasmanian Interpreting Service on 131 450 and tell them your language.
For more information and factsheets:
Visit the Tasmanian Department of Health’s coronavirus page here.
About 1,200 staff and their households will undertake the mandatory 14-day quarantine.
Eleven more people, eight of them hospital staff, tested positive for COVID-19 yesterday, taking the state’s tally to 144. Of those, 43 are healthcare workers.
Mr Gutwein said he understood the decision to close the hospitals and force thousands of people into quarantine would be very disruptive.
“I don’t think any Premier ever, in the history of this state, has had to ask so many people to do so much to help us to get on top of this outbreak,” he said.
“The measures we put in place now, I hope, will be supported by the north-west community.
“We need you to work with us, we need you to follow the rules, to do as we ask, to stay home, to save lives.
“We will get through this but the only way that we will get through this is together.”
He said while the quarantine order was “an extreme measure, it’s a measure that we needed to take”.
“That is unprecedented. It’s a significant ask of the north-west coast and the residents of the north-west coast,” he said.
“I would ask that you take the necessary steps to ensure that we can control this outbreak not only flatten the curve, but work to crush it.”
He said it was essential people followed the rules if they wanted their lives to return to normal.
“If we can lock down for two weeks then there is an opportunity for us to return and start to lift the additional restrictions that we put in place on the north-west coast,” he said.
“This is difficult, there is an outbreak occurring there. They are the epicentre of our battle at the moment and we need you to work with us.”
Coronavirus update: Follow the latest news in our daily wrap.
Of yesterday’s cases, seven were from the NWRH, one worked at that hospital and at the Mersey Community Hospital near Devonport, one was a patient at the Mersey Community Hospital, and two were contacts.
“The provisions that we’ve made with regards to the Mersey Community Hospital, we have reconfigured that hospital, we have infectious diseases experts on site to ensure that that site is configured as safely as possible,” Health Minister Sarah Courtney said.
She said extra PPE (personal protective equipment) was being sent to the Mersey Community Hospital.
And she stressed that emergency medical care was still available on the north-west coast.
“I’d like to reassure all Tasmanians that if you’re on the north-west coast and you experience a medical emergency, please do not hesitate to call 000,’ she said.
“We have plans in place to make sure that you get the highest quality care.”
She said ADF medics would help get the emergency department at the NWRH up and running again once it had been thoroughly cleaned.
“We are going to deploy these clean staff that have been provided from the ADF and from AusMAT (Australian Medical Assistance Teams) to Burnie to enable emergency department presentations within 72 hours,” she said.
“That is our aim — to make sure that that community has a health care service as they need.”
Police patrols continue
Aerial view of Table Cape.
Photo: Police were patrolling Table Cape this Easter weekend to check for those breaking coronavirus measures. (Supplied: Tasmania Police)
Police are promising more frequent and highly visible patrols on Tasmanian roads and in the air as the Easter long weekend comes to a close.
In the past 24 hours there were six summonses and arrests for breaches of coronavirus laws, with 20 advice notices and warnings issued.
In the 24 hours to Sunday morning, police charged 23 people with failing to comply with social-distancing laws.
On Sunday the Premier said police would be paying “special attention” to areas in the north-west.
Acting Deputy Commissioner Jonathan Higgins said it was generally quiet.
“It seems that most of the community is acting responsibility, and we thank them for their compliance.,” he said.
“It is pleasing to note that the number of people doing the wrong thing has decreased in the past 24 hours.
“However, there are still examples of people taking risks and selfishly ignoring the restrictions.”
In one instance, police intercepted two men who drove nearly 500 kilometres on a return trip from Railton to Strahan, via Rosebery, to purchase a car for sale on the side of the road.
The pair stopped twice for fuel and coffee.
Police said this was an unnecessary trip which potentially put other communities at risk.
The men are being proceeded against for several offences.
“With the additional stronger restrictions on retail activity now in place in the north-west, there are fewer reasons to leave your home,” Acting Deputy Commissioner Higgins said
ABC
oh so we’re not just fattening the curve any more, oh so it’s better to try to eradicate is it
The Tasmanian Government has called in assistance from the Federal Government and Australian Defence Force as it tries to contain a coronavirus outbreak in the state’s north-west.
Key points:
The North West Regional Hospital and North West Private Hospital closed this morning
Emergency medical teams will be sent to Burnie to provide cover when the NWRH reopens
Of the state’s 144 COVID-19 cases, 43 are healthcare workers
Between 4,000 and 5,000 Tasmanians will be forced into two weeks of quarantine from today as part of the shutdown of two hospitals on the north-west coast.
Tasmanian Premier Peter Gutwein announced yesterday that Burnie’s North West Regional Hospital and North West Private Hospital would be closed from 7:00am today.
Tasmania COVID-19 snapshot
Confirmed cases: 144
Deaths: 5
What do I do if I think I have coronavirus?
If you think you might have COVID-19 because you feel unwell with a fever, cough, sore throat or shortness of breath and have travelled recently or had contact with a confirmed case, phone your GP or the Tasmanian Public Health Hotline on 1800 671 738.
Need an interpreter?
Phone the Tasmanian Interpreting Service on 131 450 and tell them your language.
For more information and factsheets:
Visit the Tasmanian Department of Health’s coronavirus page here.
About 1,200 staff and their households will undertake the mandatory 14-day quarantine.
Eleven more people, eight of them hospital staff, tested positive for COVID-19 yesterday, taking the state’s tally to 144. Of those, 43 are healthcare workers.
Mr Gutwein said he understood the decision to close the hospitals and force thousands of people into quarantine would be very disruptive.
“I don’t think any Premier ever, in the history of this state, has had to ask so many people to do so much to help us to get on top of this outbreak,” he said.
“The measures we put in place now, I hope, will be supported by the north-west community.
“We need you to work with us, we need you to follow the rules, to do as we ask, to stay home, to save lives.
“We will get through this but the only way that we will get through this is together.”
He said while the quarantine order was “an extreme measure, it’s a measure that we needed to take”.
“That is unprecedented. It’s a significant ask of the north-west coast and the residents of the north-west coast,” he said.
“I would ask that you take the necessary steps to ensure that we can control this outbreak not only flatten the curve, but work to crush it.”
He said it was essential people followed the rules if they wanted their lives to return to normal.
“If we can lock down for two weeks then there is an opportunity for us to return and start to lift the additional restrictions that we put in place on the north-west coast,” he said.
“This is difficult, there is an outbreak occurring there. They are the epicentre of our battle at the moment and we need you to work with us.”
Coronavirus update: Follow the latest news in our daily wrap.
Of yesterday’s cases, seven were from the NWRH, one worked at that hospital and at the Mersey Community Hospital near Devonport, one was a patient at the Mersey Community Hospital, and two were contacts.
“The provisions that we’ve made with regards to the Mersey Community Hospital, we have reconfigured that hospital, we have infectious diseases experts on site to ensure that that site is configured as safely as possible,” Health Minister Sarah Courtney said.
She said extra PPE (personal protective equipment) was being sent to the Mersey Community Hospital.
And she stressed that emergency medical care was still available on the north-west coast.
“I’d like to reassure all Tasmanians that if you’re on the north-west coast and you experience a medical emergency, please do not hesitate to call 000,’ she said.
“We have plans in place to make sure that you get the highest quality care.”
She said ADF medics would help get the emergency department at the NWRH up and running again once it had been thoroughly cleaned.
“We are going to deploy these clean staff that have been provided from the ADF and from AusMAT (Australian Medical Assistance Teams) to Burnie to enable emergency department presentations within 72 hours,” she said.
“That is our aim — to make sure that that community has a health care service as they need.”
Police patrols continue
Aerial view of Table Cape.
Photo: Police were patrolling Table Cape this Easter weekend to check for those breaking coronavirus measures. (Supplied: Tasmania Police)
Police are promising more frequent and highly visible patrols on Tasmanian roads and in the air as the Easter long weekend comes to a close.
In the past 24 hours there were six summonses and arrests for breaches of coronavirus laws, with 20 advice notices and warnings issued.
In the 24 hours to Sunday morning, police charged 23 people with failing to comply with social-distancing laws.
On Sunday the Premier said police would be paying “special attention” to areas in the north-west.
Acting Deputy Commissioner Jonathan Higgins said it was generally quiet.
“It seems that most of the community is acting responsibility, and we thank them for their compliance.,” he said.
“It is pleasing to note that the number of people doing the wrong thing has decreased in the past 24 hours.
“However, there are still examples of people taking risks and selfishly ignoring the restrictions.”
In one instance, police intercepted two men who drove nearly 500 kilometres on a return trip from Railton to Strahan, via Rosebery, to purchase a car for sale on the side of the road.
The pair stopped twice for fuel and coffee.
Police said this was an unnecessary trip which potentially put other communities at risk.
The men are being proceeded against for several offences.
“With the additional stronger restrictions on retail activity now in place in the north-west, there are fewer reasons to leave your home,” Acting Deputy Commissioner Higgins said
ABC
oh so we’re not just fattening the curve any more, oh so it’s better to try to eradicate is it
I wonder if there was not an OHS type of problem.
At this rate it is going to wipe out all of our health professionals pretty soon.
The Tasmanian Government has called in assistance from the Federal Government and Australian Defence Force as it tries to contain a coronavirus outbreak in the state’s north-west.
Key points:
The North West Regional Hospital and North West Private Hospital closed this morning
Emergency medical teams will be sent to Burnie to provide cover when the NWRH reopens
Of the state’s 144 COVID-19 cases, 43 are healthcare workers
Between 4,000 and 5,000 Tasmanians will be forced into two weeks of quarantine from today as part of the shutdown of two hospitals on the north-west coast.
Tasmanian Premier Peter Gutwein announced yesterday that Burnie’s North West Regional Hospital and North West Private Hospital would be closed from 7:00am today.
Tasmania COVID-19 snapshot
Confirmed cases: 144
Deaths: 5
What do I do if I think I have coronavirus?
If you think you might have COVID-19 because you feel unwell with a fever, cough, sore throat or shortness of breath and have travelled recently or had contact with a confirmed case, phone your GP or the Tasmanian Public Health Hotline on 1800 671 738.
Need an interpreter?
Phone the Tasmanian Interpreting Service on 131 450 and tell them your language.
For more information and factsheets:
Visit the Tasmanian Department of Health’s coronavirus page here.
About 1,200 staff and their households will undertake the mandatory 14-day quarantine.
Eleven more people, eight of them hospital staff, tested positive for COVID-19 yesterday, taking the state’s tally to 144. Of those, 43 are healthcare workers.
Mr Gutwein said he understood the decision to close the hospitals and force thousands of people into quarantine would be very disruptive.
“I don’t think any Premier ever, in the history of this state, has had to ask so many people to do so much to help us to get on top of this outbreak,” he said.
“The measures we put in place now, I hope, will be supported by the north-west community.
“We need you to work with us, we need you to follow the rules, to do as we ask, to stay home, to save lives.
“We will get through this but the only way that we will get through this is together.”
He said while the quarantine order was “an extreme measure, it’s a measure that we needed to take”.
“That is unprecedented. It’s a significant ask of the north-west coast and the residents of the north-west coast,” he said.
“I would ask that you take the necessary steps to ensure that we can control this outbreak not only flatten the curve, but work to crush it.”
He said it was essential people followed the rules if they wanted their lives to return to normal.
“If we can lock down for two weeks then there is an opportunity for us to return and start to lift the additional restrictions that we put in place on the north-west coast,” he said.
“This is difficult, there is an outbreak occurring there. They are the epicentre of our battle at the moment and we need you to work with us.”
Coronavirus update: Follow the latest news in our daily wrap.
Of yesterday’s cases, seven were from the NWRH, one worked at that hospital and at the Mersey Community Hospital near Devonport, one was a patient at the Mersey Community Hospital, and two were contacts.
“The provisions that we’ve made with regards to the Mersey Community Hospital, we have reconfigured that hospital, we have infectious diseases experts on site to ensure that that site is configured as safely as possible,” Health Minister Sarah Courtney said.
She said extra PPE (personal protective equipment) was being sent to the Mersey Community Hospital.
And she stressed that emergency medical care was still available on the north-west coast.
“I’d like to reassure all Tasmanians that if you’re on the north-west coast and you experience a medical emergency, please do not hesitate to call 000,’ she said.
“We have plans in place to make sure that you get the highest quality care.”
She said ADF medics would help get the emergency department at the NWRH up and running again once it had been thoroughly cleaned.
“We are going to deploy these clean staff that have been provided from the ADF and from AusMAT (Australian Medical Assistance Teams) to Burnie to enable emergency department presentations within 72 hours,” she said.
“That is our aim — to make sure that that community has a health care service as they need.”
Police patrols continue
Aerial view of Table Cape.
Photo: Police were patrolling Table Cape this Easter weekend to check for those breaking coronavirus measures. (Supplied: Tasmania Police)
Police are promising more frequent and highly visible patrols on Tasmanian roads and in the air as the Easter long weekend comes to a close.
In the past 24 hours there were six summonses and arrests for breaches of coronavirus laws, with 20 advice notices and warnings issued.
In the 24 hours to Sunday morning, police charged 23 people with failing to comply with social-distancing laws.
On Sunday the Premier said police would be paying “special attention” to areas in the north-west.
Acting Deputy Commissioner Jonathan Higgins said it was generally quiet.
“It seems that most of the community is acting responsibility, and we thank them for their compliance.,” he said.
“It is pleasing to note that the number of people doing the wrong thing has decreased in the past 24 hours.
“However, there are still examples of people taking risks and selfishly ignoring the restrictions.”
In one instance, police intercepted two men who drove nearly 500 kilometres on a return trip from Railton to Strahan, via Rosebery, to purchase a car for sale on the side of the road.
The pair stopped twice for fuel and coffee.
Police said this was an unnecessary trip which potentially put other communities at risk.
The men are being proceeded against for several offences.
“With the additional stronger restrictions on retail activity now in place in the north-west, there are fewer reasons to leave your home,” Acting Deputy Commissioner Higgins said
ABC
oh so we’re not just fattening the curve any more, oh so it’s better to try to eradicate is it
I wonder if there was not an OHS type of problem.
At this rate it is going to wipe out all of our health professionals pretty soon.
>“However, there are still examples of people taking risks and selfishly ignoring the restrictions.”
technically that’s an unknown risk, not an entirely unimportant distinction, not one perhaps a policemen would utter into aether of overdetermining social forces, nah rather give the firing squad bigger magazines
second point i’d make is most behavior, even in the context of compliance (especially so of) is so a person can ignore the restrictions, meaning every moment need not be about restrictions, distancing etc. There’s distance for example, and the act of distancing, which are not the same thing
sounds like philosophy perhaps, but consider the situation if those things were confused, became the same thing
oh so we’re not just fattening the curve any more, oh so it’s better to try to eradicate is it
I wonder if there was not an OHS type of problem.
At this rate it is going to wipe out all of our health professionals pretty soon.
>“However, there are still examples of people taking risks and selfishly ignoring the restrictions.”
technically that’s an unknown risk, not an entirely unimportant distinction, not one perhaps a policemen would utter into aether of overdetermining social forces, nah rather give the firing squad bigger magazines
second point i’d make is most behavior, even in the context of compliance (especially so of) is so a person can ignore the restrictions, meaning every moment need not be about restrictions, distancing etc. There’s distance for example, and the act of distancing, which are not the same thing
sounds like philosophy perhaps, but consider the situation if those things were confused, became the same thing
like of the familial situation, members could spend more time close together with distancing (which equates less distance), and the confidence to do that is made possible by more distance and less contact external, if you like
so while everyone is preoccupied with distancing the opposite can be true of familial, and relationships, in fact it’s possible of some or many examples the net distance overall are reduced. You’d probably yield some truth regard by consulting the family dog, or other pet, they’d have a good idea, if they were blessed with human speech, and similar contrivances of thought, but then the pet dog wouldn’t be a dog
At this rate it is going to wipe out all of our health professionals pretty soon.
>“However, there are still examples of people taking risks and selfishly ignoring the restrictions.”
technically that’s an unknown risk, not an entirely unimportant distinction, not one perhaps a policemen would utter into aether of overdetermining social forces, nah rather give the firing squad bigger magazines
second point i’d make is most behavior, even in the context of compliance (especially so of) is so a person can ignore the restrictions, meaning every moment need not be about restrictions, distancing etc. There’s distance for example, and the act of distancing, which are not the same thing
sounds like philosophy perhaps, but consider the situation if those things were confused, became the same thing
like of the familial situation, members could spend more time close together with distancing (which equates less distance), and the confidence to do that is made possible by more distance and less contact external, if you like
so while everyone is preoccupied with distancing the opposite can be true of familial, and relationships, in fact it’s possible of some or many examples the net distance overall are reduced. You’d probably yield some truth regard by consulting the family dog, or other pet, they’d have a good idea, if they were blessed with human speech, and similar contrivances of thought, but then the pet dog wouldn’t be a dog
Australians could soon see their loved ones again with tough social-distancing measures to be relaxed and replaced with ‘advanced surveillance and tracking’ to beat coronavirus
Australians could soon see their loved ones again with tough social-distancing measures to be relaxed and replaced with ‘advanced surveillance and tracking’ to beat coronavirus
more…
we’ve been seeing our loved ones plenty using advanced social media technologies that could also be used for surveillance and tracking
Australians could soon see their loved ones again with tough social-distancing measures to be relaxed and replaced with ‘advanced surveillance and tracking’ to beat coronavirus
more…
we’ve been seeing our loved ones plenty using advanced social media technologies that could also be used for surveillance and tracking
The internet can aggregate (bring) a lot of information together.
I wonder if this has had any influence on containment ?
Certainly the media would have had great influence.
Certain seems as though Australia has won the war on Rona for now.
big Q now is if can get domestic industries pumped and diversified later, as the contagion is damped, stamped out of existence, don’t like to use the word but Australia will need be more autarkic, so we’ll be looking to fill the needs/wants of demand and supply more locally, given the new structure (or loss of) of global dynamics, which could take quite a few years to settle
the economic costs, and social personal costs (loss of life etc) will be the scale of a world war
Certain seems as though Australia has won the war on Rona for now.
big Q now is if can get domestic industries pumped and diversified later, as the contagion is damped, stamped out of existence, don’t like to use the word but Australia will need be more autarkic, so we’ll be looking to fill the needs/wants of demand and supply more locally, given the new structure (or loss of) of global dynamics, which could take quite a few years to settle
the economic costs, and social personal costs (loss of life etc) will be the scale of a world war
the big answer is that life will go on, people will find new ways to engage in economic activity, there won’t be as many excuses for resistance to change, life will go on, people will find new ways
Certain seems as though Australia has won the war on Rona for now.
big Q now is if can get domestic industries pumped and diversified later, as the contagion is damped, stamped out of existence, don’t like to use the word but Australia will need be more autarkic, so we’ll be looking to fill the needs/wants of demand and supply more locally, given the new structure (or loss of) of global dynamics, which could take quite a few years to settle
the economic costs, and social personal costs (loss of life etc) will be the scale of a world war
>the economic costs, and social personal costs (loss of life etc) will be the scale of a world war
Certain seems as though Australia has won the war on Rona for now.
big Q now is if can get domestic industries pumped and diversified later, as the contagion is damped, stamped out of existence, don’t like to use the word but Australia will need be more autarkic, so we’ll be looking to fill the needs/wants of demand and supply more locally, given the new structure (or loss of) of global dynamics, which could take quite a few years to settle
the economic costs, and social personal costs (loss of life etc) will be the scale of a world war
the big answer is that life will go on, people will find new ways to engage in economic activity, there won’t be as many excuses for resistance to change, life will go on, people will find new ways
oh not much will change, people keep doing what they do, but a thought for all those families that are grieving, and will be. Australia may be spared the sound of bulldozers digging mass graves, somehow though I think we will still wear some of the costs, some sort ‘work’ that is not immediately apparent
That’s a bit derr…..with so many cases, it had to start with someone lots of people had contact with in some way.
“The balance has been with all of these cruise ships is ensuring we look after people who need to be looked after, but at the same time not overwhelm our health system.”
so if according to the Rule 303 and the poikilotherm and all them who know
the Australian Health System is having its nice sweet time about this
why can’t we unload the cruise ship people and look after them, without overwhelming a health system that is by all reports coping plenty well just fine 50% under load and chillin’
That’s a bit derr…..with so many cases, it had to start with someone lots of people had contact with in some way.
“The balance has been with all of these cruise ships is ensuring we look after people who need to be looked after, but at the same time not overwhelm our health system.”
so if according to the Rule 303 and the poikilotherm and all them who know
the Australian Health System is having its nice sweet time about this
why can’t we unload the cruise ship people and look after them, without overwhelming a health system that is by all reports coping plenty well just fine 50% under load and chillin’
¿
No idea, even NSW Health reckons it’s better to get them off the boats.
South Australian road toll increases despite reduced traffic due to coronavirus
Despite a dramatic reduction in traffic due to the coronavirus pandemic affecting Australians’ movements, 35 people have lost their lives on SA roads this year — with several serious incidents occurring over the Easter long weekend.
The state’s 2020 road toll is now running almost equally alongside where South Australian figures were at this time last year; 36 deaths.
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In other news, temperatures fall across Australia! It’s now 13 degC in Canberra, down from a high around midday — although the predicted minimum of 5 degC is still above 4.7 degC which was measured on this equivalent day last year.
That’s a bit derr…..with so many cases, it had to start with someone lots of people had contact with in some way.
“The balance has been with all of these cruise ships is ensuring we look after people who need to be looked after, but at the same time not overwhelm our health system.”
so if according to the Rule 303 and the poikilotherm and all them who know
the Australian Health System is having its nice sweet time about this
why can’t we unload the cruise ship people and look after them, without overwhelming a health system that is by all reports coping plenty well just fine 50% under load and chillin’
¿
No idea, even NSW Health reckons it’s better to get them off the boats.
warning about it many years back, as recall from interview I watched
he thinks that bloke, doesn’t seem to have had his moral faculties completely liberated by capitalism, doesn’t seem entirely sustained by an entrepreneurial conscience, which from the masters of tech any vestige ought be appreciated, encouraged
FBI Discovers Promised Stockpile of 39 Million Medical Masks Was a Scam
Jason Lemon 9 hrs ago
As state governments and hospitals have scrambled to obtain masks and other medical supplies during the coronavirus pandemic, scammers attempted to sell a fake stockpile of 39 million masks to a California labour union.
The Los Angeles Times first reported on Sunday that the FBI had uncovered the scam, which has been traced back to a broker in Australia and a supplier in Kuwait.
The investigators discovered the scam because they were looking into whether the supply could be intercepted by the federal government through the Defense Production Act.
The Service Employees International Union-United Healthcare Workers West (known as SEIU) promised at the end of March that it would make the millions of masks available, as government agencies and hospitals planned to purchase some of the supply. But as the FBI investigated, it became apparent that the union had been duped, although no financial transaction had yet been made.
“There are opportunists who are looking for any victim,” U.S. Attorney Scott Brady told The Times.
Hospitals and medical professionals have struggled to find adequate supplies of personal protective equipment (PPE), which includes masks and other gear to protect doctors and nurses treating individuals with COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. In many cases, hospitals have asked staff to reuse supplies as the number of patients has surged while stockpiles have dwindled.
Some have tried to exploit the pandemic for financial gain, as appears to be the case with the fake stockpile of 39 million masks. Health professionals have said that the costs of masks and other equipment have skyrocketed as the need has outpaced the available supply.
“Prices for simple things like masks have gone up by 10 to 20 times. Normally an N-95 mask would cost my hospital somewhere around 40 or 50 cents. Current going rates are $5 (AUD$7) to $7 (AUD$11) per mask,” Dr. Megan Ranney, a professor at Brown University who practices emergency medicine, told CNN at the end of March.
A man in Georgia was arrested last Friday after allegedly attempting to defraud the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) when negotiating purchase orders for critical medical supplies, including millions of N95 respirator masks. The man wanted to charge the VA $7.50 (AUD$ 11.80) per masks when they typically cost just 50 cents each.
Agents from the California Department of Justice also confiscated large stockpiles of medical masks and supplies kept in warehouses in Alameda County last Tuesday. About 50,000 – including 1,000 N95 masks – were reportedly confiscated from just one of three warehouses.
“The agents seized numerous N95 respirators, surgical masks, and other items,” the press office of California’s Justice Department told Newsweek following the raids.
FBI Discovers Promised Stockpile of 39 Million Medical Masks Was a Scam
Jason Lemon 9 hrs ago
As state governments and hospitals have scrambled to obtain masks and other medical supplies during the coronavirus pandemic, scammers attempted to sell a fake stockpile of 39 million masks to a California labour union.
The Los Angeles Times first reported on Sunday that the FBI had uncovered the scam, which has been traced back to a broker in Australia and a supplier in Kuwait.
The investigators discovered the scam because they were looking into whether the supply could be intercepted by the federal government through the Defense Production Act.
The Service Employees International Union-United Healthcare Workers West (known as SEIU) promised at the end of March that it would make the millions of masks available, as government agencies and hospitals planned to purchase some of the supply. But as the FBI investigated, it became apparent that the union had been duped, although no financial transaction had yet been made.
“There are opportunists who are looking for any victim,” U.S. Attorney Scott Brady told The Times.
Hospitals and medical professionals have struggled to find adequate supplies of personal protective equipment (PPE), which includes masks and other gear to protect doctors and nurses treating individuals with COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. In many cases, hospitals have asked staff to reuse supplies as the number of patients has surged while stockpiles have dwindled.
Some have tried to exploit the pandemic for financial gain, as appears to be the case with the fake stockpile of 39 million masks. Health professionals have said that the costs of masks and other equipment have skyrocketed as the need has outpaced the available supply.
“Prices for simple things like masks have gone up by 10 to 20 times. Normally an N-95 mask would cost my hospital somewhere around 40 or 50 cents. Current going rates are $5 (AUD$7) to $7 (AUD$11) per mask,” Dr. Megan Ranney, a professor at Brown University who practices emergency medicine, told CNN at the end of March.
A man in Georgia was arrested last Friday after allegedly attempting to defraud the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) when negotiating purchase orders for critical medical supplies, including millions of N95 respirator masks. The man wanted to charge the VA $7.50 (AUD$ 11.80) per masks when they typically cost just 50 cents each.
Agents from the California Department of Justice also confiscated large stockpiles of medical masks and supplies kept in warehouses in Alameda County last Tuesday. About 50,000 – including 1,000 N95 masks – were reportedly confiscated from just one of three warehouses.
“The agents seized numerous N95 respirators, surgical masks, and other items,” the press office of California’s Justice Department told Newsweek following the raids.
FBI Discovers Promised Stockpile of 39 Million Medical Masks Was a Scam
Jason Lemon 9 hrs ago
As state governments and hospitals have scrambled to obtain masks and other medical supplies during the coronavirus pandemic, scammers attempted to sell a fake stockpile of 39 million masks to a California labour union.
The Los Angeles Times first reported on Sunday that the FBI had uncovered the scam, which has been traced back to a broker in Australia and a supplier in Kuwait.
The investigators discovered the scam because they were looking into whether the supply could be intercepted by the federal government through the Defense Production Act.
The Service Employees International Union-United Healthcare Workers West (known as SEIU) promised at the end of March that it would make the millions of masks available, as government agencies and hospitals planned to purchase some of the supply. But as the FBI investigated, it became apparent that the union had been duped, although no financial transaction had yet been made.
“There are opportunists who are looking for any victim,” U.S. Attorney Scott Brady told The Times.
Hospitals and medical professionals have struggled to find adequate supplies of personal protective equipment (PPE), which includes masks and other gear to protect doctors and nurses treating individuals with COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. In many cases, hospitals have asked staff to reuse supplies as the number of patients has surged while stockpiles have dwindled.
Some have tried to exploit the pandemic for financial gain, as appears to be the case with the fake stockpile of 39 million masks. Health professionals have said that the costs of masks and other equipment have skyrocketed as the need has outpaced the available supply.
“Prices for simple things like masks have gone up by 10 to 20 times. Normally an N-95 mask would cost my hospital somewhere around 40 or 50 cents. Current going rates are $5 (AUD$7) to $7 (AUD$11) per mask,” Dr. Megan Ranney, a professor at Brown University who practices emergency medicine, told CNN at the end of March.
A man in Georgia was arrested last Friday after allegedly attempting to defraud the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) when negotiating purchase orders for critical medical supplies, including millions of N95 respirator masks. The man wanted to charge the VA $7.50 (AUD$ 11.80) per masks when they typically cost just 50 cents each.
Agents from the California Department of Justice also confiscated large stockpiles of medical masks and supplies kept in warehouses in Alameda County last Tuesday. About 50,000 – including 1,000 N95 masks – were reportedly confiscated from just one of three warehouses.
“The agents seized numerous N95 respirators, surgical masks, and other items,” the press office of California’s Justice Department told Newsweek following the raids.
Fauci confirms New York Times report Trump rebuffed social distancing advice
Health adviser says on CNN ‘you could logically say if you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives’
Is this a surprise…?
To some, apparently
from secondary link
dv said:
Throughout January, as Mr. Trump repeatedly played down the seriousness of the virus and focused on other issues, an array of figures inside his government — from top White House advisers to experts deep in the cabinet departments and intelligence agencies — identified the threat, sounded alarms and made clear the need for aggressive action.
there you go, THEY finally admitted it, the DEEPSTATE experts
meanwhile nothing like a day trip to The Gates to make people consider acting more like the Gates
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Donald Trump has made his feelings about the WHO clear.
In contrast, the British Government, with its leader only just surviving the illness, has given the United Nations arm an extra 200 million pounds ($392 million) in funding.
Mr Anderson, who was deputy PM to John Howard, caused a stir among the panel by saying it might be practical to look after Australian citizens first and refugees second.
“We won’t be able to afford to help anyone, needy or unneedy,” he said.
“We are really talking about our economic future. And I’d be the first to say we ought to look after the marginalised and the disadvantaged, but we need to focus on the need to pull together and accept our responsibilities and to do what we can to rebuild, and to be good international citizens.
yeah that’s right, we have 1/3 empty hospitals, we’ve kept infection rates manageable, we have needy cruise ships with plenty of Australian citizens on board, and we won’t even help them, why the fk would we help any refugees
Mr Anderson, who was deputy PM to John Howard, caused a stir among the panel by saying it might be practical to look after Australian citizens first and refugees second.
“We won’t be able to afford to help anyone, needy or unneedy,” he said.
“We are really talking about our economic future. And I’d be the first to say we ought to look after the marginalised and the disadvantaged, but we need to focus on the need to pull together and accept our responsibilities and to do what we can to rebuild, and to be good international citizens.
yeah that’s right, we have 1/3 empty hospitals, we’ve kept infection rates manageable, we have needy cruise ships with plenty of Australian citizens on board, and we won’t even help them, why the fk would we help any refugees
Mr Anderson, who was deputy PM to John Howard, caused a stir among the panel by saying it might be practical to look after Australian citizens first and refugees second.
“We won’t be able to afford to help anyone, needy or unneedy,” he said.
“We are really talking about our economic future. And I’d be the first to say we ought to look after the marginalised and the disadvantaged, but we need to focus on the need to pull together and accept our responsibilities and to do what we can to rebuild, and to be good international citizens.
yeah that’s right, we have 1/3 empty hospitals, we’ve kept infection rates manageable, we have needy cruise ships with plenty of Australian citizens on board, and we won’t even help them, why the fk would we help any refugees
Yeah, it’s a bad position. If you do nothing its going to cost hundreds of thousands of lives. Do something and you save lives but costs brazzilions. What value to hundreds of thousands of lives, not much objectively to a lot of them.
Yeah, it’s a bad position. If you do nothing its going to cost hundreds of thousands of lives. Do something and you save lives but costs brazzilions. What value to hundreds of thousands of lives, not much objectively to a lot of them.
Human don’t overly value life at the best of times
I think in a situation where multiple nations are facing the same problem, you can prove you averted a crisis.
but they want beyond unreasonable doubt, not just the balance of improbabilities
Well fuck ‘em. You’re never going to convince people who are beyond reason.
^
we acknowledge that it’s good SCIENCE that different countries and even states of federations have offered to run different variables, allowing us to see a range of what works and what doesn’t
even if it’s not properly randomised and controlled
but they want beyond unreasonable doubt, not just the balance of improbabilities
Find a parallel Earth were its going on and nothing was put in place to avert or slow it down
that’d be the USA, pretty much in their own alternate universe, until half of them woke up
There are plenty of nations that were slow to roll and ignored the advice of experts and are in a much worse situation than Australia.
The jobs will come back, things will eventually return to normal, but the hundreds of thousands of dead people are not going to bounce back.
but they want beyond unreasonable doubt, not just the balance of improbabilities
Well fuck ‘em. You’re never going to convince people who are beyond reason.
^
we acknowledge that it’s good SCIENCE that different countries and even states of federations have offered to run different variables, allowing us to see a range of what works and what doesn’t
even if it’s not properly randomised and controlled
This site has helpfully now also added in ‘conveyances’ to the variables…the Diamond Princess and the Ms Zaandam.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
There is so many health professionals down that I was wondering whether there wasn’t some extreme breakdown in OHS. Having a party would be that I suppose.
I think in a situation where multiple nations are facing the same problem, you can prove you averted a crisis.
but they want beyond unreasonable doubt, not just the balance of improbabilities
Well fuck ‘em. You’re never going to convince people who are beyond reason.
Sure you can – And this is how the vast majority of people in the world convince each other of things – Call to emotion, authority, common sense, ad hominem, or no true scottsman.
but they want beyond unreasonable doubt, not just the balance of improbabilities
Well fuck ‘em. You’re never going to convince people who are beyond reason.
Sure you can – And this is how the vast majority of people in the world convince each other of things – Call to emotion, authority, common sense, ad hominem, or no true scottsman.
No true scot would use the no true scottsman argument.
When asked about the issue on Channel Nine this morning, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said he was “totally puzzled” by the decision.
“We need to protect the world against potential sources of outbreaks of these types of virus. It’s happened too many times,” he said.
The World Health Organisation has backed the reopening of China’s wet markets, saying “they are a source of livelihood and food security to many people”.
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they should probably have a harder line on it but regaled, we thought this was a rare, once-in-100-years kind of thing ¿
As Americans line up by the thousands at food banks, farmers are dumping gallons of milk and smashing eggs. Wall Street Journal reporter Jesse Newman explains why America’s food supply chain isn’t built for the coronavirus era.
The current ratio of people in the workforce relative to those having to take a forced break on govt subsidised income , full support or little no income external income , plus the retirees , those seeking work , home parents and those on disability support is this the future of what an aged population will be like on the govt’s purse string.
This is what Peter Costello was trying to futureproof our nation for iirc when he spoke somewhat about this scenario caused by the ageing population and what Australia needed to plan for.
The current ratio of people in the workforce relative to those having to take a forced break on govt subsidised income , full support or little no income external income , plus the retirees , those seeking work , home parents and those on disability support is this the future of what an aged population will be like on the govt’s purse string.
This is what Peter Costello was trying to futureproof our nation for iirc when he spoke somewhat about this scenario caused by the ageing population and what Australia needed to plan for.
The current ratio of people in the workforce relative to those having to take a forced break on govt subsidised income , full support or little no income external income , plus the retirees , those seeking work , home parents and those on disability support is this the future of what an aged population will be like on the govt’s purse string.
This is what Peter Costello was trying to futureproof our nation for iirc when he spoke somewhat about this scenario caused by the ageing population and what Australia needed to plan for.
time to build those robots
one of my brothers works in IT still/ He also works remotely from his office from home. He is bothered that he won’t get a non-holiday break due to Covid 19. It kind of promotes that sector as the one of the contenders as a vocation for some people to transition along to.
Two million…… Two million…………… Do I hear two million…………..
Two million going once. …………. Two million going twice……………
Less than a day, that’s for sure.
I wonder what it says about our relationship with numbers that we are eagerly anticipating more people being diagnosed with a potentially fatal illness to arrive at a large round number?
Two million…… Two million…………… Do I hear two million…………..
Two million going once. …………. Two million going twice……………
Less than a day, that’s for sure.
I wonder what it says about our relationship with numbers that we are eagerly anticipating more people being diagnosed with a potentially fatal illness to arrive at a large round number?
I was reading through some data and outcomes of the Hong Kong flu of 1968/69 There was a second wave of that flu and crept a little bit from 1969 into 1970 for some region.
I think 500,000 fatalities.
That virus stayed in to human population for some time to come with less impact across the next decade or so if I am remembering what I quickly read through earlier this morning.
The current ratio of people in the workforce relative to those having to take a forced break on govt subsidised income , full support or little no income external income , plus the retirees , those seeking work , home parents and those on disability support is this the future of what an aged population will be like on the govt’s purse string.
This is what Peter Costello was trying to futureproof our nation for iirc when he spoke somewhat about this scenario caused by the ageing population and what Australia needed to plan for.
time to build those robots
people will still need incomes to survive and the economy to keep clicking over.
I wonder what it says about our relationship with numbers that we are eagerly anticipating more people being diagnosed with a potentially fatal illness to arrive at a large round number?
I was reading through some data and outcomes of the Hong Kong flu of 1968/69 There was a second wave of that flu and crept a little bit from 1969 into 1970 for some region.
I think 500,000 fatalities.
That virus stayed in to human population for some time to come with less impact across the next decade or so if I am remembering what I quickly read through earlier this morning.
I got that flu as a teenager. I was very, very ill. But I watched the whole moon-landing on TV.
I wonder what it says about our relationship with numbers that we are eagerly anticipating more people being diagnosed with a potentially fatal illness to arrive at a large round number?
I was reading through some data and outcomes of the Hong Kong flu of 1968/69 There was a second wave of that flu and crept a little bit from 1969 into 1970 for some region.
I think 500,000 fatalities.
That virus stayed in to human population for some time to come with less impact across the next decade or so if I am remembering what I quickly read through earlier this morning.
I got that flu as a teenager. I was very, very ill. But I watched the whole moon-landing on TV.
It hit our house hard. Dad ended up hospitalised. Brother and sister with pneumonia too.
I wonder what it says about our relationship with numbers that we are eagerly anticipating more people being diagnosed with a potentially fatal illness to arrive at a large round number?
I wonder what it says about our relationship with numbers that we are eagerly anticipating more people being diagnosed with a potentially fatal illness to arrive at a large round number?
I don’t think dread is synonymous with eagerness.
I’ve been to enough bus crashes to have an insight into why people stand and watch.
The current ratio of people in the workforce relative to those having to take a forced break on govt subsidised income , full support or little no income external income , plus the retirees , those seeking work , home parents and those on disability support is this the future of what an aged population will be like on the govt’s purse string.
This is what Peter Costello was trying to futureproof our nation for iirc when he spoke somewhat about this scenario caused by the ageing population and what Australia needed to plan for.
time to build those robots
people will still need incomes to survive and the economy to keep clicking over.
And the do-gooders will want the robots to have full human rights & it will be illegal to own one.
I wonder what it says about our relationship with numbers that we are eagerly anticipating more people being diagnosed with a potentially fatal illness to arrive at a large round number?
I don’t think dread is synonymous with eagerness.
I’ve been to enough bus crashes to have an insight into why people stand and watch.
The current ratio of people in the workforce relative to those having to take a forced break on govt subsidised income , full support or little no income external income , plus the retirees , those seeking work , home parents and those on disability support is this the future of what an aged population will be like on the govt’s purse string.
This is what Peter Costello was trying to futureproof our nation for iirc when he spoke somewhat about this scenario caused by the ageing population and what Australia needed to plan for.
time to build those robots
people will still need incomes to survive and the economy to keep clicking over.
well imagine if automation could dramatically increase productivity, and we had favourable governance which allowed the population to share in the benefits of that productivity
anyone could make an argument for overreaction, not many of us get to bury people these days, dig graves, and the reasons bodies are disposed of probably doesn’t feature much in their minds really, and doing hundreds or thousands a day probably doesn’t much feature in their minds either
He practised what he preached — then he died of coronavirus.
An evangelical pastor in America died of COVID-19 just weeks after proudly showing off how packed his Virginia church was — and vowing to keep preaching “unless I’m in jail or the hospital”.
In his last known in-person service on March 22, Bishop Gerald O. Glenn got his congregation at Richmond’s New Deliverance Evangelistic Church to stand to prove how many were there despite warnings against gatherings of more than 10 people.
He practised what he preached — then he died of coronavirus.
An evangelical pastor in America died of COVID-19 just weeks after proudly showing off how packed his Virginia church was — and vowing to keep preaching “unless I’m in jail or the hospital”.
In his last known in-person service on March 22, Bishop Gerald O. Glenn got his congregation at Richmond’s New Deliverance Evangelistic Church to stand to prove how many were there despite warnings against gatherings of more than 10 people.
as in, for the existence of claims that we overreacted
Adelaide Now
“Australians may remember Morrison’s coronavirus response as an overreaction”
Andrew Bolt’s response is particularly dumb
https://youtu.be/_kVwZOabAPg
from comments
Tony K said:
11 hours ago DOCTORS are told to write COVID as cause of death to boost the numbers…here’s a story from my best buddy in England: Yep, this morning…
Well, it’s common knowledge now that they’re pulling a snowjob on us. EVERYBODY who dies, is labelled a CV19 death. Curiously no one has died from ANYTHINGELSE for about three weeks. I was speaking to a carer in a blue uniform I mistook for an NHS uniform, yesterday, and she said she knows a doctor who is just telling nurses to put deaths down, wholesale, as Cv19 deaths, because there LESSPAPERWORK!!
and there we were, SCIENCE, saying that in USA they would drag them out so that they could ascribe the deaths to alternative causes instead
“Australians may remember Morrison’s coronavirus response as an overreaction”
Andrew Bolt’s response is particularly dumb
https://youtu.be/_kVwZOabAPg
from comments
Tony K said:
11 hours ago DOCTORS are told to write COVID as cause of death to boost the numbers…here’s a story from my best buddy in England: Yep, this morning…
Well, it’s common knowledge now that they’re pulling a snowjob on us. EVERYBODY who dies, is labelled a CV19 death. Curiously no one has died from ANYTHINGELSE for about three weeks. I was speaking to a carer in a blue uniform I mistook for an NHS uniform, yesterday, and she said she knows a doctor who is just telling nurses to put deaths down, wholesale, as Cv19 deaths, because there LESSPAPERWORK!!
and there we were, SCIENCE, saying that in USA they would drag them out so that they could ascribe the deaths to alternative causes instead
here we go
We’ll just have to wait and see, they are interviewing Karen from Facebook after the break.
“Australians may remember Morrison’s coronavirus response as an overreaction”
Andrew Bolt’s response is particularly dumb
https://youtu.be/_kVwZOabAPg
from comments
Tony K said:
11 hours ago DOCTORS are told to write COVID as cause of death to boost the numbers…here’s a story from my best buddy in England: Yep, this morning…
Well, it’s common knowledge now that they’re pulling a snowjob on us. EVERYBODY who dies, is labelled a CV19 death. Curiously no one has died from ANYTHINGELSE for about three weeks. I was speaking to a carer in a blue uniform I mistook for an NHS uniform, yesterday, and she said she knows a doctor who is just telling nurses to put deaths down, wholesale, as Cv19 deaths, because there LESSPAPERWORK!!
and there we were, SCIENCE, saying that in USA they would drag them out so that they could ascribe the deaths to alternative causes instead
11 hours ago DOCTORS are told to write COVID as cause of death to boost the numbers…here’s a story from my best buddy in England: Yep, this morning…
Well, it’s common knowledge now that they’re pulling a snowjob on us. EVERYBODY who dies, is labelled a CV19 death. Curiously no one has died from ANYTHINGELSE for about three weeks. I was speaking to a carer in a blue uniform I mistook for an NHS uniform, yesterday, and she said she knows a doctor who is just telling nurses to put deaths down, wholesale, as Cv19 deaths, because there LESSPAPERWORK!!
and there we were, SCIENCE, saying that in USA they would drag them out so that they could ascribe the deaths to alternative causes instead
we believe that in critical thinking, it helps to have the other side of the argument in view, even if we do not agree with it
It would be nice to be able to read the article rather than walk along chanting with everyone else.
go ahead
Stay safe. Keep well. Perhaps a hysteria has gripped the nation, at extraordinary cost, when we’re telling each other to take special care over a disease that in three months has killed about 60, in the main quite unwell elderly people.
Even in coronavirus hot spots in Europe and the US, there’s greater chance of being killed in a car accident than being harmed by COVID-19, according to research published last week by Stanford scientist John Ioannidis.
“The risk of dying from coronavirus for a person under 65 years old is equivalent to the risk of dying driving a distance of nine to 415 miles by car each day during the COVID-19 fatality season,” he concluded.
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Yet many of those under-65s have had their lives pulled apart, including loss of 195 million jobs around the world this quarter, according to the International Labour Organisation.
In Australia at the very least, with so few deaths and infections, the response to the virus is starting to appear to be a damaging over-reaction. Last month’s draconian response by officials — inducing a recession, destroying millions of jobs and businesses, and locking us all up — was at least politically understandable. The hankering for total lockdown, cheered on largely by those who would be relatively unaffected by it, was irresistible.
Yet as more real data rolls in — as opposed to the wildly inaccurate epidemiological forecasts of millions of deaths globally and many thousands locally — justifications for massive interventions, fiscal and civil, are dwindling. COVID-19 Australian Statistics
527
433
28
998
2870
103
1291
150
Confirmed
6,400
Active
4,152
Recovered
2,186
Deaths
62
The rest of the world
Confirmed
1,921,369
Active
1,344,090
Recovered
457,549
Deaths
119,730
Source – World Health Organization, Australian Government, AAP, Reuters, Johns Hopkins, other media
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We were told lockdowns were needed; otherwise hospitals would be swamped. But during the first 11 days of the month, the number of people in intensive care in NSW has fallen to 30, of whom 21 were using ventilators. That’s 2 per cent of available ventilators, even before 3000 more arrive.
Fears of a Spanish flu-like pandemic, which killed almost 40 million people a century ago, are looking exaggerated as the global death toll from COVID-19 approaches 120,000, which is 0.2 per cent of the 60 million people who will die this year from all causes (including more than three million from respiratory infections).
Yes, the lockdowns and social distancing in theory must have slowed the spread. But evidence is thin. Sweden and Japan, for instance, have not imposed lockdowns yet have far fewer deaths as a proportion of their populations than Spain, Italy or France, which have.
The Spanish flu killed 1.2 per cent of Italians, according to new research by Harvard economist Robert Barro, equivalent to 720,000 people today. Almost 20,000 Italians have died of (or with) COVID-19 so far, putting the virus more on par with flu pandemics of the late 1950s and 60s, when governments refrained from destroying their economies. The weakness of the virus itself, rather than wise government action, is the likelier reason the death toll is not as grim as first predicted.
“The likelihood of someone dying from coronavirus is much lower than we initially thought,” Ioannidis told Greek media this week, forecasting that “the mortality rate will be slightly — but not spectacularly — higher than the seasonal flu.”
A sculpture, part of the Monumento de los Espanoles (Monument of the Spanish) in Buenos Aires, with a scarf as a face mask.
A sculpture, part of the Monumento de los Espanoles (Monument of the Spanish) in Buenos Aires, with a scarf as a face mask.
Indeed, almost 80 per cent of the population of Gangelt, a German town highly exposed to COVID-19, was recently tested to see if they had had the virus. About 15 per cent had, without any symptoms, implying an infection death rate of 0.37 per cent — about four times as bad as seasonal flu but much lower than figures of 1 per cent to 3 per cent first feared.
The first officially detected case of COVID-19 in Australia was in January, eight weeks before lockdowns took effect. Does anyone seriously think only 6400, yesterday’s domestic tally, have been infected? It’s the infection fatality rate — not the official rate of infection — that matters: official tallies are meaningless when so many are asymptomatic.
“I am much more concerned about the consequences of blind shutdowns and the possible destruction of a (Greek) economy where 25 per cent of the GDP is based on tourism,” Ioannidis said.
For the Australian economy, the costs of the response to COVID-19 will be profound too, quite aside from the significant additional debt burden. Joblessness soon will likely double, based on a Roy Morgan survey for last month. The costs of loneliness and inactivity are harder to measure.
“Another month of mass isolation will cost the West at least the equivalent of a million deaths in terms of reduced quality of life,” says Paul Frijters, a professor of economics at London School of Economics using his index of wellbeing. That’s too bad for Victoria, where Premier Daniel Andrews has extended the nation’s most severe lockdown for another four weeks.
If Austria and Denmark — each with many more total deaths and more new infections than Australia — can see the sense in beginning to lift restrictions, so should we. Hospitals have plenty of capacity and new infection rates have tumbled.
Construction workers wearing face masks and keeping safe distance amid fears of the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus walk on a street in Bangkok.
Construction workers wearing face masks and keeping safe distance amid fears of the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus walk on a street in Bangkok.
Everyone has a right to a view on this fundamental question. Disease experts’ forecasts have proved hopelessly wrong anyway.
It’s not certain a vaccine will ever emerge, but we obviously can’t stay locked down for six months. The longer it lasts, the harder it will be to switch the economy back on. The businesses won’t be there. The economy isn’t a machine like the bureaucracy but a complex set of relationships that will atrophy.
Why not let sport occur without crowds, parliaments sit, young people swim at the beach, businesses reopen, provided they observe social distancing principles? No one is saying “let it rip”; clearly insulating the vulnerable from this virus is a high priority. But it appears less likely the virus will wipe out 5 per cent of India, or 3 per cent of Indonesia, as the Spanish flu did.
We urgently need randomised testing to see how widespread the coronavirus already is. The Prime Minister has said COVID-19 is akin to a one-in-100-year event. It’s unlikely that’s true of the virus, but it’s looking true of damage caused by hysteria.
I was reading an article how at the moment it’s mostly affecting nations with large amounts of money, resources and decent medical treatment abilities (free or otherwise)
It has yet to have much impact on poor ill equipped large populated nations who can’t social distance due to the nature of how they live.
I was reading an article how at the moment it’s mostly affecting nations with large amounts of money, resources and decent medical treatment abilities (free or otherwise)
It has yet to have much impact on poor ill equipped large populated nations who can’t social distance due to the nature of how they live.
I was reading an article how at the moment it’s mostly affecting nations with large amounts of money, resources and decent medical treatment abilities (free or otherwise)
It has yet to have much impact on poor ill equipped large populated nations who can’t social distance due to the nature of how they live.
Not sure Iran counts as a rich nation but okay
No but that’s why I said mostly.
Some nations have something like a few dozen or less ventilators for populations of many millions and hardly any critical care beds
It also mentioned they are unlikely to get much help from the rest of the world
I was reading an article how at the moment it’s mostly affecting nations with large amounts of money, resources and decent medical treatment abilities (free or otherwise)
It has yet to have much impact on poor ill equipped large populated nations who can’t social distance due to the nature of how they live.
Not sure Iran counts as a rich nation but okay
No but that’s why I said mostly.
Some nations have something like a few dozen or less ventilators for populations of many millions and hardly any critical care beds
It also mentioned they are unlikely to get much help from the rest of the world
don’t worry, the shithole countries are full of population that is (1) generally expensive to maintain, and (2) not productive anyway, so who cares
11 hours ago DOCTORS are told to write COVID as cause of death to boost the numbers…here’s a story from my best buddy in England: Yep, this morning…
Well, it’s common knowledge now that they’re pulling a snowjob on us. EVERYBODY who dies, is labelled a CV19 death. Curiously no one has died from ANYTHINGELSE for about three weeks. I was speaking to a carer in a blue uniform I mistook for an NHS uniform, yesterday, and she said she knows a doctor who is just telling nurses to put deaths down, wholesale, as Cv19 deaths, because there LESSPAPERWORK!!
and there we were, SCIENCE, saying that in USA they would drag them out so that they could ascribe the deaths to alternative causes instead
here we go
sigh
How on earth do we counter this sort of nonsense?
Not sure there’s an easy way.
Remember, “creative accounting” has been around for long before antiexpertise-fakenewscalling. The art (and SCIENCE) of cooking numbers to say whatever you want them to say, is nothing new.
Can you get a much larger fraction of population to do critical thinking? Maybe.
and there we were, SCIENCE, saying that in USA they would drag them out so that they could ascribe the deaths to alternative causes instead
here we go
sigh
How on earth do we counter this sort of nonsense?
Not sure there’s an easy way.
Remember, “creative accounting” has been around for long before antiexpertise-fakenewscalling. The art (and SCIENCE) of cooking numbers to say whatever you want them to say, is nothing new.
Can you get a much larger fraction of population to do critical thinking? Maybe.
You’d assume non Covid death would be swamped by Covid death in statistics for the last few months but I wonder what the average death rate is for those places
Remember, “creative accounting” has been around for long before antiexpertise-fakenewscalling. The art (and SCIENCE) of cooking numbers to say whatever you want them to say, is nothing new.
Can you get a much larger fraction of population to do critical thinking? Maybe.
You’d assume non Covid death would be swamped by Covid death in statistics for the last few months but I wonder what the average death rate is for those places
Thinking about creative accounting there is a meme about money no longer going to the pokies. Has anyone measured the changes cos it’s the sort of crap consultants sometimes come up with.
At least 70 potential coronavirus vaccines are currently in development, with 3 already in clinical trials, according to the World Health Organisation.
Remember, “creative accounting” has been around for long before antiexpertise-fakenewscalling. The art (and SCIENCE) of cooking numbers to say whatever you want them to say, is nothing new.
Can you get a much larger fraction of population to do critical thinking? Maybe.
You’d assume non Covid death would be swamped by Covid death in statistics for the last few months but I wonder what the average death rate is for those places
Thinking about creative accounting there is a meme about money no longer going to the pokies. Has anyone measured the changes cos it’s the sort of crap consultants sometimes come up with.
providing community stimulus of more than $800 million so far.
all 5000 pokie dens across Australia were summarily shut down on Sunday, March 22, and since then gamblers have saved $38 million a day, providing community stimulus of more than $800 million so far.
You’d assume non Covid death would be swamped by Covid death in statistics for the last few months but I wonder what the average death rate is for those places
Thinking about creative accounting there is a meme about money no longer going to the pokies. Has anyone measured the changes cos it’s the sort of crap consultants sometimes come up with.
providing community stimulus of more than $800 million so far.
all 5000 pokie dens across Australia were summarily shut down on Sunday, March 22, and since then gamblers have saved $38 million a day, providing community stimulus of more than $800 million so far.
I wonder how many people that is couple of hundred thousand or less
You’d assume non Covid death would be swamped by Covid death in statistics for the last few months but I wonder what the average death rate is for those places
Thinking about creative accounting there is a meme about money no longer going to the pokies. Has anyone measured the changes cos it’s the sort of crap consultants sometimes come up with.
providing community stimulus of more than $800 million so far.
all 5000 pokie dens across Australia were summarily shut down on Sunday, March 22, and since then gamblers have saved $38 million a day, providing community stimulus of more than $800 million so far.
Given that that article is a journalist quoting another journalist (who wrote it in the first place), I’d like somebody with strong macroeconomic expertise to run an economics ruler over it, before I’d completely accept the notion.
It would be nice to be able to read the article rather than walk along chanting with everyone else.
go ahead
Stay safe. Keep well. Perhaps a hysteria has gripped the nation, at extraordinary cost, when we’re telling each other to take special care over a disease that in three months has killed about 60, in the main quite unwell elderly people.
Even in coronavirus hot spots in Europe and the US, there’s greater chance of being killed in a car accident than being harmed by COVID-19, according to research published last week by Stanford scientist John Ioannidis.
“The risk of dying from coronavirus for a person under 65 years old is equivalent to the risk of dying driving a distance of nine to 415 miles by car each day during the COVID-19 fatality season,” he concluded.
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Yet many of those under-65s have had their lives pulled apart, including loss of 195 million jobs around the world this quarter, according to the International Labour Organisation.
In Australia at the very least, with so few deaths and infections, the response to the virus is starting to appear to be a damaging over-reaction. Last month’s draconian response by officials — inducing a recession, destroying millions of jobs and businesses, and locking us all up — was at least politically understandable. The hankering for total lockdown, cheered on largely by those who would be relatively unaffected by it, was irresistible.
Yet as more real data rolls in — as opposed to the wildly inaccurate epidemiological forecasts of millions of deaths globally and many thousands locally — justifications for massive interventions, fiscal and civil, are dwindling. COVID-19 Australian Statistics
527
433
28
998
2870
103
1291
150
Confirmed
6,400
Active
4,152
Recovered
2,186
Deaths
62
The rest of the world
Confirmed
1,921,369
Active
1,344,090
Recovered
457,549
Deaths
119,730
Source – World Health Organization, Australian Government, AAP, Reuters, Johns Hopkins, other media
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We were told lockdowns were needed; otherwise hospitals would be swamped. But during the first 11 days of the month, the number of people in intensive care in NSW has fallen to 30, of whom 21 were using ventilators. That’s 2 per cent of available ventilators, even before 3000 more arrive.
Fears of a Spanish flu-like pandemic, which killed almost 40 million people a century ago, are looking exaggerated as the global death toll from COVID-19 approaches 120,000, which is 0.2 per cent of the 60 million people who will die this year from all causes (including more than three million from respiratory infections).
Yes, the lockdowns and social distancing in theory must have slowed the spread. But evidence is thin. Sweden and Japan, for instance, have not imposed lockdowns yet have far fewer deaths as a proportion of their populations than Spain, Italy or France, which have.
The Spanish flu killed 1.2 per cent of Italians, according to new research by Harvard economist Robert Barro, equivalent to 720,000 people today. Almost 20,000 Italians have died of (or with) COVID-19 so far, putting the virus more on par with flu pandemics of the late 1950s and 60s, when governments refrained from destroying their economies. The weakness of the virus itself, rather than wise government action, is the likelier reason the death toll is not as grim as first predicted.
“The likelihood of someone dying from coronavirus is much lower than we initially thought,” Ioannidis told Greek media this week, forecasting that “the mortality rate will be slightly — but not spectacularly — higher than the seasonal flu.”
A sculpture, part of the Monumento de los Espanoles (Monument of the Spanish) in Buenos Aires, with a scarf as a face mask.
A sculpture, part of the Monumento de los Espanoles (Monument of the Spanish) in Buenos Aires, with a scarf as a face mask.
Indeed, almost 80 per cent of the population of Gangelt, a German town highly exposed to COVID-19, was recently tested to see if they had had the virus. About 15 per cent had, without any symptoms, implying an infection death rate of 0.37 per cent — about four times as bad as seasonal flu but much lower than figures of 1 per cent to 3 per cent first feared.
The first officially detected case of COVID-19 in Australia was in January, eight weeks before lockdowns took effect. Does anyone seriously think only 6400, yesterday’s domestic tally, have been infected? It’s the infection fatality rate — not the official rate of infection — that matters: official tallies are meaningless when so many are asymptomatic.
“I am much more concerned about the consequences of blind shutdowns and the possible destruction of a (Greek) economy where 25 per cent of the GDP is based on tourism,” Ioannidis said.
For the Australian economy, the costs of the response to COVID-19 will be profound too, quite aside from the significant additional debt burden. Joblessness soon will likely double, based on a Roy Morgan survey for last month. The costs of loneliness and inactivity are harder to measure.
“Another month of mass isolation will cost the West at least the equivalent of a million deaths in terms of reduced quality of life,” says Paul Frijters, a professor of economics at London School of Economics using his index of wellbeing. That’s too bad for Victoria, where Premier Daniel Andrews has extended the nation’s most severe lockdown for another four weeks.
If Austria and Denmark — each with many more total deaths and more new infections than Australia — can see the sense in beginning to lift restrictions, so should we. Hospitals have plenty of capacity and new infection rates have tumbled.
Construction workers wearing face masks and keeping safe distance amid fears of the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus walk on a street in Bangkok.
Construction workers wearing face masks and keeping safe distance amid fears of the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus walk on a street in Bangkok.
Everyone has a right to a view on this fundamental question. Disease experts’ forecasts have proved hopelessly wrong anyway.
It’s not certain a vaccine will ever emerge, but we obviously can’t stay locked down for six months. The longer it lasts, the harder it will be to switch the economy back on. The businesses won’t be there. The economy isn’t a machine like the bureaucracy but a complex set of relationships that will atrophy.
Why not let sport occur without crowds, parliaments sit, young people swim at the beach, businesses reopen, provided they observe social distancing principles? No one is saying “let it rip”; clearly insulating the vulnerable from this virus is a high priority. But it appears less likely the virus will wipe out 5 per cent of India, or 3 per cent of Indonesia, as the Spanish flu did.
We urgently need randomised testing to see how widespread the coronavirus already is. The Prime Minister has said COVID-19 is akin to a one-in-100-year event. It’s unlikely that’s true of the virus, but it’s looking true of damage caused by hysteria.
Thanks poik. Ionnidis is generally interesting to read.
Thinking about creative accounting there is a meme about money no longer going to the pokies. Has anyone measured the changes cos it’s the sort of crap consultants sometimes come up with.
providing community stimulus of more than $800 million so far.
all 5000 pokie dens across Australia were summarily shut down on Sunday, March 22, and since then gamblers have saved $38 million a day, providing community stimulus of more than $800 million so far.
Given that that article is a journalist quoting another journalist (who wrote it in the first place), I’d like somebody with strong macroeconomic expertise to run an economics ruler over it, before I’d completely accept the notion.
The pokies are electronic/digital aren’t they I wonder if they keep a tally of the amount put into them each day
Thinking about creative accounting there is a meme about money no longer going to the pokies. Has anyone measured the changes cos it’s the sort of crap consultants sometimes come up with.
providing community stimulus of more than $800 million so far.
all 5000 pokie dens across Australia were summarily shut down on Sunday, March 22, and since then gamblers have saved $38 million a day, providing community stimulus of more than $800 million so far.
Given that that article is a journalist quoting another journalist (who wrote it in the first place), I’d like somebody with strong macroeconomic expertise to run an economics ruler over it, before I’d completely accept the notion.
And some of them would have shifted to on line gambling. And there is a general increase in that.
Remember, “creative accounting” has been around for long before antiexpertise-fakenewscalling. The art (and SCIENCE) of cooking numbers to say whatever you want them to say, is nothing new.
Can you get a much larger fraction of population to do critical thinking? Maybe.
You’d assume non Covid death would be swamped by Covid death in statistics for the last few months but I wonder what the average death rate is for those places
For example, USA.
Annual mortality ~3 000 000 (rounded up to a nice lot of 0s). COVID-19 deaths ~25 000 (to date). COVID-19 confirmed ~600 000 (to date).
Total population ~333 333 333.
That means that right now, the change to annual mortality is less than 1%.
It also means, IF the proportions hold (not necessarily true), then allowing this thing to spread to every USAole, we can expect 14 000 000 deaths. EVEN if this killed the people who were going to die anyway, that’s 11 000 000 more deaths than before.
Stay safe. Keep well. Perhaps a hysteria has gripped the nation, at extraordinary cost, when we’re telling each other to take special care over a disease that in three months has killed about 60, in the main quite unwell elderly people.
Even in coronavirus hot spots in Europe and the US, there’s greater chance of being killed in a car accident than being harmed by COVID-19, according to research published last week by Stanford scientist John Ioannidis.
“The risk of dying from coronavirus for a person under 65 years old is equivalent to the risk of dying driving a distance of nine to 415 miles by car each day during the COVID-19 fatality season,” he concluded.
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Yet many of those under-65s have had their lives pulled apart, including loss of 195 million jobs around the world this quarter, according to the International Labour Organisation.
In Australia at the very least, with so few deaths and infections, the response to the virus is starting to appear to be a damaging over-reaction. Last month’s draconian response by officials — inducing a recession, destroying millions of jobs and businesses, and locking us all up — was at least politically understandable. The hankering for total lockdown, cheered on largely by those who would be relatively unaffected by it, was irresistible.
Yet as more real data rolls in — as opposed to the wildly inaccurate epidemiological forecasts of millions of deaths globally and many thousands locally — justifications for massive interventions, fiscal and civil, are dwindling. COVID-19 Australian Statistics
527
433
28
998
2870
103
1291
150
Confirmed
6,400
Active
4,152
Recovered
2,186
Deaths
62
The rest of the world
Confirmed
1,921,369
Active
1,344,090
Recovered
457,549
Deaths
119,730
Source – World Health Organization, Australian Government, AAP, Reuters, Johns Hopkins, other media
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We were told lockdowns were needed; otherwise hospitals would be swamped. But during the first 11 days of the month, the number of people in intensive care in NSW has fallen to 30, of whom 21 were using ventilators. That’s 2 per cent of available ventilators, even before 3000 more arrive.
Fears of a Spanish flu-like pandemic, which killed almost 40 million people a century ago, are looking exaggerated as the global death toll from COVID-19 approaches 120,000, which is 0.2 per cent of the 60 million people who will die this year from all causes (including more than three million from respiratory infections).
Yes, the lockdowns and social distancing in theory must have slowed the spread. But evidence is thin. Sweden and Japan, for instance, have not imposed lockdowns yet have far fewer deaths as a proportion of their populations than Spain, Italy or France, which have.
The Spanish flu killed 1.2 per cent of Italians, according to new research by Harvard economist Robert Barro, equivalent to 720,000 people today. Almost 20,000 Italians have died of (or with) COVID-19 so far, putting the virus more on par with flu pandemics of the late 1950s and 60s, when governments refrained from destroying their economies. The weakness of the virus itself, rather than wise government action, is the likelier reason the death toll is not as grim as first predicted.
“The likelihood of someone dying from coronavirus is much lower than we initially thought,” Ioannidis told Greek media this week, forecasting that “the mortality rate will be slightly — but not spectacularly — higher than the seasonal flu.”
A sculpture, part of the Monumento de los Espanoles (Monument of the Spanish) in Buenos Aires, with a scarf as a face mask.
A sculpture, part of the Monumento de los Espanoles (Monument of the Spanish) in Buenos Aires, with a scarf as a face mask.
Indeed, almost 80 per cent of the population of Gangelt, a German town highly exposed to COVID-19, was recently tested to see if they had had the virus. About 15 per cent had, without any symptoms, implying an infection death rate of 0.37 per cent — about four times as bad as seasonal flu but much lower than figures of 1 per cent to 3 per cent first feared.
The first officially detected case of COVID-19 in Australia was in January, eight weeks before lockdowns took effect. Does anyone seriously think only 6400, yesterday’s domestic tally, have been infected? It’s the infection fatality rate — not the official rate of infection — that matters: official tallies are meaningless when so many are asymptomatic.
“I am much more concerned about the consequences of blind shutdowns and the possible destruction of a (Greek) economy where 25 per cent of the GDP is based on tourism,” Ioannidis said.
For the Australian economy, the costs of the response to COVID-19 will be profound too, quite aside from the significant additional debt burden. Joblessness soon will likely double, based on a Roy Morgan survey for last month. The costs of loneliness and inactivity are harder to measure.
“Another month of mass isolation will cost the West at least the equivalent of a million deaths in terms of reduced quality of life,” says Paul Frijters, a professor of economics at London School of Economics using his index of wellbeing. That’s too bad for Victoria, where Premier Daniel Andrews has extended the nation’s most severe lockdown for another four weeks.
If Austria and Denmark — each with many more total deaths and more new infections than Australia — can see the sense in beginning to lift restrictions, so should we. Hospitals have plenty of capacity and new infection rates have tumbled.
Construction workers wearing face masks and keeping safe distance amid fears of the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus walk on a street in Bangkok.
Construction workers wearing face masks and keeping safe distance amid fears of the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus walk on a street in Bangkok.
Everyone has a right to a view on this fundamental question. Disease experts’ forecasts have proved hopelessly wrong anyway.
It’s not certain a vaccine will ever emerge, but we obviously can’t stay locked down for six months. The longer it lasts, the harder it will be to switch the economy back on. The businesses won’t be there. The economy isn’t a machine like the bureaucracy but a complex set of relationships that will atrophy.
Why not let sport occur without crowds, parliaments sit, young people swim at the beach, businesses reopen, provided they observe social distancing principles? No one is saying “let it rip”; clearly insulating the vulnerable from this virus is a high priority. But it appears less likely the virus will wipe out 5 per cent of India, or 3 per cent of Indonesia, as the Spanish flu did.
We urgently need randomised testing to see how widespread the coronavirus already is. The Prime Minister has said COVID-19 is akin to a one-in-100-year event. It’s unlikely that’s true of the virus, but it’s looking true of damage caused by hysteria.
Thanks poik. Ionnidis is generally interesting to read.
Stay safe. Keep well. Perhaps a hysteria has gripped the nation, at extraordinary cost, when we’re telling each other to take special care over a disease that in three months has killed about 60, in the main quite unwell elderly people.
Even in coronavirus hot spots in Europe and the US, there’s greater chance of being killed in a car accident than being harmed by COVID-19, according to research published last week by Stanford scientist John Ioannidis.
“The risk of dying from coronavirus for a person under 65 years old is equivalent to the risk of dying driving a distance of nine to 415 miles by car each day during the COVID-19 fatality season,” he concluded.
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Yet many of those under-65s have had their lives pulled apart, including loss of 195 million jobs around the world this quarter, according to the International Labour Organisation.
In Australia at the very least, with so few deaths and infections, the response to the virus is starting to appear to be a damaging over-reaction. Last month’s draconian response by officials — inducing a recession, destroying millions of jobs and businesses, and locking us all up — was at least politically understandable. The hankering for total lockdown, cheered on largely by those who would be relatively unaffected by it, was irresistible.
Yet as more real data rolls in — as opposed to the wildly inaccurate epidemiological forecasts of millions of deaths globally and many thousands locally — justifications for massive interventions, fiscal and civil, are dwindling. COVID-19 Australian Statistics
527
433
28
998
2870
103
1291
150
Confirmed
6,400
Active
4,152
Recovered
2,186
Deaths
62
The rest of the world
Confirmed
1,921,369
Active
1,344,090
Recovered
457,549
Deaths
119,730
Source – World Health Organization, Australian Government, AAP, Reuters, Johns Hopkins, other media
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We were told lockdowns were needed; otherwise hospitals would be swamped. But during the first 11 days of the month, the number of people in intensive care in NSW has fallen to 30, of whom 21 were using ventilators. That’s 2 per cent of available ventilators, even before 3000 more arrive.
Fears of a Spanish flu-like pandemic, which killed almost 40 million people a century ago, are looking exaggerated as the global death toll from COVID-19 approaches 120,000, which is 0.2 per cent of the 60 million people who will die this year from all causes (including more than three million from respiratory infections).
Yes, the lockdowns and social distancing in theory must have slowed the spread. But evidence is thin. Sweden and Japan, for instance, have not imposed lockdowns yet have far fewer deaths as a proportion of their populations than Spain, Italy or France, which have.
The Spanish flu killed 1.2 per cent of Italians, according to new research by Harvard economist Robert Barro, equivalent to 720,000 people today. Almost 20,000 Italians have died of (or with) COVID-19 so far, putting the virus more on par with flu pandemics of the late 1950s and 60s, when governments refrained from destroying their economies. The weakness of the virus itself, rather than wise government action, is the likelier reason the death toll is not as grim as first predicted.
“The likelihood of someone dying from coronavirus is much lower than we initially thought,” Ioannidis told Greek media this week, forecasting that “the mortality rate will be slightly — but not spectacularly — higher than the seasonal flu.”
A sculpture, part of the Monumento de los Espanoles (Monument of the Spanish) in Buenos Aires, with a scarf as a face mask.
A sculpture, part of the Monumento de los Espanoles (Monument of the Spanish) in Buenos Aires, with a scarf as a face mask.
Indeed, almost 80 per cent of the population of Gangelt, a German town highly exposed to COVID-19, was recently tested to see if they had had the virus. About 15 per cent had, without any symptoms, implying an infection death rate of 0.37 per cent — about four times as bad as seasonal flu but much lower than figures of 1 per cent to 3 per cent first feared.
The first officially detected case of COVID-19 in Australia was in January, eight weeks before lockdowns took effect. Does anyone seriously think only 6400, yesterday’s domestic tally, have been infected? It’s the infection fatality rate — not the official rate of infection — that matters: official tallies are meaningless when so many are asymptomatic.
“I am much more concerned about the consequences of blind shutdowns and the possible destruction of a (Greek) economy where 25 per cent of the GDP is based on tourism,” Ioannidis said.
For the Australian economy, the costs of the response to COVID-19 will be profound too, quite aside from the significant additional debt burden. Joblessness soon will likely double, based on a Roy Morgan survey for last month. The costs of loneliness and inactivity are harder to measure.
“Another month of mass isolation will cost the West at least the equivalent of a million deaths in terms of reduced quality of life,” says Paul Frijters, a professor of economics at London School of Economics using his index of wellbeing. That’s too bad for Victoria, where Premier Daniel Andrews has extended the nation’s most severe lockdown for another four weeks.
If Austria and Denmark — each with many more total deaths and more new infections than Australia — can see the sense in beginning to lift restrictions, so should we. Hospitals have plenty of capacity and new infection rates have tumbled.
Construction workers wearing face masks and keeping safe distance amid fears of the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus walk on a street in Bangkok.
Construction workers wearing face masks and keeping safe distance amid fears of the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus walk on a street in Bangkok.
Everyone has a right to a view on this fundamental question. Disease experts’ forecasts have proved hopelessly wrong anyway.
It’s not certain a vaccine will ever emerge, but we obviously can’t stay locked down for six months. The longer it lasts, the harder it will be to switch the economy back on. The businesses won’t be there. The economy isn’t a machine like the bureaucracy but a complex set of relationships that will atrophy.
Why not let sport occur without crowds, parliaments sit, young people swim at the beach, businesses reopen, provided they observe social distancing principles? No one is saying “let it rip”; clearly insulating the vulnerable from this virus is a high priority. But it appears less likely the virus will wipe out 5 per cent of India, or 3 per cent of Indonesia, as the Spanish flu did.
We urgently need randomised testing to see how widespread the coronavirus already is. The Prime Minister has said COVID-19 is akin to a one-in-100-year event. It’s unlikely that’s true of the virus, but it’s looking true of damage caused by hysteria.
Thanks poik. Ionnidis is generally interesting to read.
In a new editorial published in The BMJ, a trio of Cambridge University researchers suggest wearing of cloth masks should be adopted by everyone during the COVID-19 pandemic. The team argues the potential benefits of this behavior far outweigh any of the suggested downsides.
Thanks poik. Ionnidis is generally interesting to read.
Can we trust the Australian?
I wouldn’t.
Let’s see…
a disease that in three months has killed about 60, in the main quite unwell elderly people.
so unwell they couldn’t get on a cruise ship, for example…
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Even in coronavirus hot spots in Europe and the US, there’s greater chance of being killed in a car accident
Even in the hotspots, the new case numbers are flattening out — after appropriate restrictions.
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many of those under-65s have had their lives pulled apart, including loss of 195 million jobs around the world
which was going to happen anyway when the “growth growth growth” bubble burst ¿
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locking us all up — was at least politically understandable. The hankering for total lockdown, cheered on largely by those who would be relatively unaffected by it
and who were they, who are relatively unaffected ¿
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We were told lockdowns were needed; otherwise hospitals would be swamped. But during the first 11 days of the month, the number of people in intensive care in NSW has fallen to 30, of whom 21 were using ventilators. That’s 2 per cent of available ventilators, even before 3000 more arrive.
So lockdown happened, and hospitals weren’t swamped, exactly as intended?
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the global death toll from COVID-19 approaches 120,000, which is 0.2 per cent of the 60 million people who will die this year from all causes
hold this thought
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Sweden and Japan, for instance, have not imposed lockdowns yet have far fewer deaths as a proportion of their populations than Spain, Italy or France, which have.
LOL which came first ¿
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flu pandemics of the late 1950s and 60s, when governments refrained from destroying their economies
let’s not forget the “European sovereign debt crisis (EU) (2009-2019)” when governments destroyed their economies without any pandemic
let’s not forget the “Subprime mortgage crisis (US) (2007-2010)”, see above
what about the “Great Depression (1929–1939) the worst depression of modern history”, which coronavirus led to that ¿
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“The likelihood of someone dying from coronavirus is much lower than we initially thought,” Ioannidis told Greek media this week, neglecting to mention that “this is probably a consequence of good infection control interventions advanced by governments that know what is good for their people.”
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Indeed, almost 80 per cent of the population of Gangelt, a German town highly exposed to VID-19, was recently tested to see if they had had the virus. About 15 per cent had
Want people to check the original article? Go check the original article then.
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It’s the infection fatality rate — not the official rate of infection — that matters: official tallies are meaningless when so many are asymptomatic.
wait wait, didn’t they just make a point in the preceding paragraph about the established rate of infection ¿ so who cares eh
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concerned about the consequences of blind shutdowns and the possible destruction of a (Greek) economy where 25 per cent of the GDP is based on tourism
If you are, then maybe you should have concern that shutdown or no shutdown, if the tourists are concerned that your country is contaminated by hordes of infected zombies, they aren’t going to be visiting anytime soon, are they ¿
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Another month of mass isolation will cost the West at least the equivalent of a million deaths in terms of reduced quality of life,” says Paul Frijters
so, pretty much insignificant compared to the 60 million people who will die this year from all causes ¿
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Austria and Denmark — each with many more total deaths and more new infections than Australia — can see the sense in beginning to lift restrictions, so should we.
so other countries are making it up as they go, but if we follow them, we can claim to be following the sense of others, and then other countries will follow us in turn ¿
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Hospitals have plenty of capacity and new infection rates have tumbled.
Good point. Lift restrictions on those cruise ships that need help first, and see how it goes.
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we obviously can’t stay locked down for six months
Seems people do this all the time and are fine.
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The longer it lasts, the harder it will be to switch the economy back on. The businesses won’t be there.
They mean “the harder it will be to restore the bullshit that was the status quo, those old business models won’t have evidence to support their continuation, and the more people will have to embrace a new and possibly better way of doing things that doesn’t line the pockets of the dickheads writing these articles”.
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Why not let sport occur without crowds, parliaments sit, young people swim at the beach, businesses reopen, provided they observe social distancing principles?
Good idea. Most of it is called “online”, and as for swimming at the beach, think of all the skin cancer we’ve prevented for the next 60 years!
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We urgently need randomised testing to see how widespread the coronavirus already is.
Wait, we thought It’s the infection fatality rate — not the official rate of infection — that matters ¿ Fk that.
In a new editorial published in The BMJ, a trio of Cambridge University researchers suggest wearing of cloth masks should be adopted by everyone during the COVID-19 pandemic. The team argues the potential benefits of this behavior far outweigh any of the suggested downsides.
more…
thanks
from secondary
The big mistake in the U.S. and Europe, in my opinion, is that people aren’t wearing masks — George Gao, the director-general of the Chinese Center for Disease Control
A major study published in mid-March in the journal Science found a startling volume of undocumented cases were responsible for the initial epidemic spike in China in January. Using a computer model to simulate the spatiotemporal spread of the virus based on reported cases from 375 Chinese cities, the study found confirmed cases could not explain the viral spread. In fact, the study concluded 86 percent of infections must have remained undetected to justify the broad spread of the disease in January.
“The explosion of COVID-19 cases in China was largely driven by individuals with mild, limited, or no symptoms who went undetected,” said co-author on the study Jeffrey Shaman, from Columbia University Mailman School. “Depending on their contagiousness and numbers, undetected cases can expose a far greater portion of the population to virus than would otherwise occur. We find for COVID-19 in China these undetected infected individuals are numerous and contagious. These stealth transmissions will continue to present a major challenge to the containment of this outbreak going forward.”
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so… (1) wear masks, and (2) all that BS they were giving us about “schoolchildren don’t spread it, they don’t get symptoms anyway, so WGAF and keep schools open” is bad advice ¿
Some may find this amazing, but the Australian Financial Review has reported that more people are booking cruises now before the virus hit. Minister for Trade and Tourism Simon Birmingham, speaking on the ABC News Channel, finds that somewhat suprising.
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well, do you want people to engage in economic activity or not, give them stimulus, then what
I’m reading the Ionnidis paper on medRxiv. They went looking for records of co-morbidities:
>>We should caution that the reported available data on comorbidities and deaths without
comorbidities are sparse to date. It is also possible that information on comorbidities is not accurately captured. Some people with no recorded comorbidities may have had some underlying diseases, but these where not reported in a crisis setting, or these conditions may have been undiagnosed. Overall, this further strengthens the notion that for healthy non-
elderly people, the risk of dying from COVID-19 this season has been infinitesimally small. <<
>>The vast majority of victims from COVID19 are elderly people and in all European countries
analyzed as well as in Washington state, more than half and up to three quarters are at least 80 years old. The median age of death for COVID -19 tends to be similar or slightly smaller than the life expectancy of the population in each respective location.<<
>>The vast majority of victims from COVID19 are elderly people and in all European countries
analyzed as well as in Washington state, more than half and up to three quarters are at least 80 years old. The median age of death for COVID -19 tends to be similar or slightly smaller than the life expectancy of the population in each respective location.<<
Somewhere I heard/read that there are two strains of the virus, A and B
The strain we have is different to the European one, apparently – waves hands – something something
Somewhere I heard/read that there are two strains of the virus, A and B
The strain we have is different to the European one, apparently – waves hands – something something
Some people seem to be suggesting (albeit not in so many words) that because those dying are elderly we should care less than if they were younger people. I would remind those that these people are parents and grandparents and are a valuable segment of society whose deaths can’t be explained away as a consequence of economic imperatives.
Some people seem to be suggesting (albeit not in so many words) that because those dying are elderly we should care less than if they were younger people. I would remind those that these people are parents and grandparents and are a valuable segment of society whose deaths can’t be explained away as a consequence of economic imperatives.
valuable in what way, apart from being generally expensive to maintain, and not productive
Even in coronavirus hot spots in Europe and the US, there’s greater chance of being killed in a car accident than being harmed by COVID-19, according to research published last week by Stanford scientist John Ioannidis.
“The risk of dying from coronavirus for a person under 65 years old is equivalent to the risk of dying driving a distance of nine to 415 miles by car each day during the COVID-19 fatality season,” he concluded.
I suppose if we extend the analogy out and include that the bulletproof young will have to drive over at least one elderly person for every 415 miles traveled then it may be closer to the truth.
Some people seem to be suggesting (albeit not in so many words) that because those dying are elderly we should care less than if they were younger people. I would remind those that these people are parents and grandparents and are a valuable segment of society whose deaths can’t be explained away as a consequence of economic imperatives.
valuable in what way, apart from being generally expensive to maintain, and not productive
Okay you’ve sold me. Everyone should go to Carrousel when they hit thirty
The older of the two decedents had multiple comorbidities and died of DAD, which is an expected pathologic finding in fatal viral infection. The other decedent had progressive myotonic muscular dystrophy and died of acute bacterial bronchopneumonia likely caused by aspiration. Therefore, this patient likely died with COVID-19, not from COVID-19.
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here we go here we go here we go
we are not in any way suggesting that the above findings are a cover-up
Some people seem to be suggesting (albeit not in so many words) that because those dying are elderly we should care less than if they were younger people. I would remind those that these people are parents and grandparents and are a valuable segment of society whose deaths can’t be explained away as a consequence of economic imperatives.
valuable in what way, apart from being generally expensive to maintain, and not productive
not productive??? where you gunna get all your vollies from?
The older of the two decedents had multiple comorbidities and died of DAD, which is an expected pathologic finding in fatal viral infection. The other decedent had progressive myotonic muscular dystrophy and died of acute bacterial bronchopneumonia likely caused by aspiration. Therefore, this patient likely died with COVID-19, not from COVID-19.
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here we go here we go here we go
we are not in any way suggesting that the above findings are a cover-up
Given the press on ventilators in some parts, I would say some people are dying FROM Covid-19 even though they don’t have it.
Some people seem to be suggesting (albeit not in so many words) that because those dying are elderly we should care less than if they were younger people. I would remind those that these people are parents and grandparents and are a valuable segment of society whose deaths can’t be explained away as a consequence of economic imperatives.
valuable in what way, apart from being generally expensive to maintain, and not productive
Gone are the days when tribal knowledge was held by the elders.
Some people seem to be suggesting (albeit not in so many words) that because those dying are elderly we should care less than if they were younger people. I would remind those that these people are parents and grandparents and are a valuable segment of society whose deaths can’t be explained away as a consequence of economic imperatives.
Some people seem to be suggesting (albeit not in so many words) that because those dying are elderly we should care less than if they were younger people. I would remind those that these people are parents and grandparents and are a valuable segment of society whose deaths can’t be explained away as a consequence of economic imperatives.
“for healthy non-
elderly people, the risk of dying from COVID-19 this season has been infinitesimally small”
so definitive !!!
eh I wouldn’t call it infinitesimal
We’ll need to wait until the dust settles a bit but it appears the death rate for people from 40 to 60 (who, I would hope, would still count as non-elderly) is around 1%. That’s not infinitesimal.
Some people seem to be suggesting (albeit not in so many words) that because those dying are elderly we should care less than if they were younger people. I would remind those that these people are parents and grandparents and are a valuable segment of society whose deaths can’t be explained away as a consequence of economic imperatives.
valuable in what way, apart from being generally expensive to maintain, and not productive
Gone are the days when tribal knowledge was held by the elders.
These days they vote for arseholes and fall for conspiracy theories
The older of the two decedents had multiple comorbidities and died of DAD, which is an expected pathologic finding in fatal viral infection. The other decedent had progressive myotonic muscular dystrophy and died of acute bacterial bronchopneumonia likely caused by aspiration. Therefore, this patient likely died with COVID-19, not from COVID-19.
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here we go here we go here we go
we are not in any way suggesting that the above findings are a cover-up
Given the press on ventilators in some parts, I would say some people are dying FROM Covid-19 even though they don’t have it.
We agree this perspective has some validity though we remain undecided on it at this time.
For example, if we went down the relatively-empty roads today at twice the usual (say) 90 km/h speed limit, collided with some other vehicle containing some elderly, generally expensive to maintain, and not productive* humans, then they died at some point in time before both vehicles achieved an essentially stable 0 relative velocity to ground… when the poor cute little puppies they had at home died from lack of care, would it generally be considered that they died from our joyride?
*: remember, staying at home caring for others is not generally considered part of GDP
#BREAKING: Tasmania has 15 new cases of coronavirus confirmed tonight.
STORY: https://ab.co/3a8×2WT
This brings the state’s tally to 165.
Fourteen cases are known to be from the north-west of the state and one is still under investigation.
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Late start. Inside straight.
My niece and her husband were tested the other day. They nurse at Royal Hobart and the husband was looking after someone with COVID19 and then got a sore throat. Both negative at the time of testing.
#BREAKING: Tasmania has 15 new cases of coronavirus confirmed tonight.
STORY: https://ab.co/3a8×2WT
This brings the state’s tally to 165.
Fourteen cases are known to be from the north-west of the state and one is still under investigation.
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Late start. Inside straight.
My niece and her husband were tested the other day. They nurse at Royal Hobart and the husband was looking after someone with COVID19 and then got a sore throat. Both negative at the time of testing.
whatchoo reckon about the hospitals in the north of the state Buffy? There has to be an OHS or something. IT seems an extraordinary amount of health professionals in the mix.
#BREAKING: Tasmania has 15 new cases of coronavirus confirmed tonight.
STORY: https://ab.co/3a8×2WT
This brings the state’s tally to 165.
Fourteen cases are known to be from the north-west of the state and one is still under investigation.
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Late start. Inside straight.
My niece and her husband were tested the other day. They nurse at Royal Hobart and the husband was looking after someone with COVID19 and then got a sore throat. Both negative at the time of testing.
whatchoo reckon about the hospitals in the north of the state Buffy? There has to be an OHS or something. IT seems an extraordinary amount of health professionals in the mix.
Cause like….your brother in law in a different hospital seems fine…
#BREAKING: Tasmania has 15 new cases of coronavirus confirmed tonight.
STORY: https://ab.co/3a8×2WT
This brings the state’s tally to 165.
Fourteen cases are known to be from the north-west of the state and one is still under investigation.
—-
Late start. Inside straight.
My niece and her husband were tested the other day. They nurse at Royal Hobart and the husband was looking after someone with COVID19 and then got a sore throat. Both negative at the time of testing.
whatchoo reckon about the hospitals in the north of the state Buffy? There has to be an OHS or something. IT seems an extraordinary amount of health professionals in the mix.
Cause like….your brother in law in a different hospital seems fine…
#BREAKING: Tasmania has 15 new cases of coronavirus confirmed tonight.
STORY: https://ab.co/3a8×2WT
This brings the state’s tally to 165.
Fourteen cases are known to be from the north-west of the state and one is still under investigation.
—-
Late start. Inside straight.
My niece and her husband were tested the other day. They nurse at Royal Hobart and the husband was looking after someone with COVID19 and then got a sore throat. Both negative at the time of testing.
whatchoo reckon about the hospitals in the north of the state Buffy? There has to be an OHS or something. IT seems an extraordinary amount of health professionals in the mix.
Dunno. Something went wrong in the system somewhere. The thing is contagious, but they are aware of that.
My niece and her husband were tested the other day. They nurse at Royal Hobart and the husband was looking after someone with COVID19 and then got a sore throat. Both negative at the time of testing.
whatchoo reckon about the hospitals in the north of the state Buffy? There has to be an OHS or something. IT seems an extraordinary amount of health professionals in the mix.
Cause like….your brother in law in a different hospital seems fine…
Looking to the near future, I have to think the 14-day quarantine (if that’s what the science says about the time from infection to symptomatic) should probably stay with us for a little while. Should the government keep putting people up in expensive hotels?
Looking to the near future, I have to think the 14-day quarantine (if that’s what the science says about the time from infection to symptomatic) should probably stay with us for a little while. Should the government keep putting people up in expensive hotels?
If you refer to 14 days of quarantine for overseas travellers, then no, not as a general rule. On the face of it, a reasonable policy would be that unless the travel is imposed (including say refugees, let us not say too much about the other problems successive governments have introduced to that matter), then “elective” travel should be understood to include quarantine and therefore (like travel insurance) will be the responsibility of the traveller.
Looking to the near future, I have to think the 14-day quarantine (if that’s what the science says about the time from infection to symptomatic) should probably stay with us for a little while. Should the government keep putting people up in expensive hotels?
they do it with asylum seekers, though maybe not expensive hotels.
Looking to the near future, I have to think the 14-day quarantine (if that’s what the science says about the time from infection to symptomatic) should probably stay with us for a little while. Should the government keep putting people up in expensive hotels?
Electorates might be a handy way to end quarantines.
Looking to the near future, I have to think the 14-day quarantine (if that’s what the science says about the time from infection to symptomatic) should probably stay with us for a little while. Should the government keep putting people up in expensive hotels?
they do it with asylum seekers, though maybe not expensive hotels.
if it’s good enough for Chinese Australian Citizens Out Of Wuhan, then it’s good enough for the Queue Jumpers, end of story
Looking to the near future, I have to think the 14-day quarantine (if that’s what the science says about the time from infection to symptomatic) should probably stay with us for a little while. Should the government keep putting people up in expensive hotels?
Electorates might be a handy way to end quarantines.
What’s an electorate (other than the normal meaning)?
Looking to the near future, I have to think the 14-day quarantine (if that’s what the science says about the time from infection to symptomatic) should probably stay with us for a little while. Should the government keep putting people up in expensive hotels?
Electorates might be a handy way to end quarantines.
What’s an electorate (other than the normal meaning)?
Well..there are electorates in Tassie. It looks like three of them could come out of quarantine before the other two. IF you travel around in you electorate or bordering ones that are also clear then that is only half of the state shut down.
For people who don’t know this I live about 10 minutes from the site of Victoria’s first Quarantine station, which is still there, very well preserved, and it has some fairly new buildings, which were used to house 300 Kosava refugees in 1999. I have walked and biked and searched around the Quarantine station many times, and for the life of me I can’t see how they prevented cross-infection within the facility.
But if it hit the fan, we could easily and safely accommodate a thousand people down there, given a couple of weeks to get it ready.
For people who don’t know this I live about 10 minutes from the site of Victoria’s first Quarantine station, which is still there, very well preserved, and it has some fairly new buildings, which were used to house 300 Kosava refugees in 1999. I have walked and biked and searched around the Quarantine station many times, and for the life of me I can’t see how they prevented cross-infection within the facility.
But if it hit the fan, we could easily and safely accommodate a thousand people down there, given a couple of weeks to get it ready.
Dad did a lot of work at the one at North Head near Manly in the 60s. Seems like they flogged it and it is accommodation now.
Electorates might be a handy way to end quarantines.
What’s an electorate (other than the normal meaning)?
Well..there are electorates in Tassie. It looks like three of them could come out of quarantine before the other two. IF you travel around in you electorate or bordering ones that are also clear then that is only half of the state shut down.
Ahhh, I see what you mean. And I also now realise that I didn’t explain that I meant the 14 day quarantine that’s applied to new arrivals from overseas.
What’s an electorate (other than the normal meaning)?
Well..there are electorates in Tassie. It looks like three of them could come out of quarantine before the other two. IF you travel around in you electorate or bordering ones that are also clear then that is only half of the state shut down.
Ahhh, I see what you mean. And I also now realise that I didn’t explain that I meant the 14 day quarantine that’s applied to new arrivals from overseas.
For people who don’t know this I live about 10 minutes from the site of Victoria’s first Quarantine station, which is still there, very well preserved, and it has some fairly new buildings, which were used to house 300 Kosava refugees in 1999. I have walked and biked and searched around the Quarantine station many times, and for the life of me I can’t see how they prevented cross-infection within the facility.
But if it hit the fan, we could easily and safely accommodate a thousand people down there, given a couple of weeks to get it ready.
been there for a survey with the mammal survey group back in 76. great spot. walked around the scarlet fever graveyard.
Anyway… My mind wandered down the path of ‘what next’ because it struck me that, two weeks after the last diagnosis, we should right to lift all restrictions within the country, wouldn’t we?
I mean, it’s not as though it’s being dropped on us from planes or 5G transmitters or anything….
Anyway… My mind wandered down the path of ‘what next’ because it struck me that, two weeks after the last diagnosis, we should right to lift all restrictions within the country, wouldn’t we?
I mean, it’s not as though it’s being dropped on us from planes or 5G transmitters or anything….
Eh…
Two weeks after the last diagnosis, there could still be heaps of people who are infected but just not showing a lot of symptoms, or “recovered” but about to go live again
Anyway… My mind wandered down the path of ‘what next’ because it struck me that, two weeks after the last diagnosis, we should right to lift all restrictions within the country, wouldn’t we?
I mean, it’s not as though it’s being dropped on us from planes or 5G transmitters or anything….
Eh…
Two weeks after the last diagnosis, there could still be heaps of people who are infected but just not showing a lot of symptoms, or “recovered” but about to go live again
Laura Ingraham had some very insightful comments on how quickly the USA should go back to work on her show today. Very insightful.
Anyway… My mind wandered down the path of ‘what next’ because it struck me that, two weeks after the last diagnosis, we should right to lift all restrictions within the country, wouldn’t we?
I mean, it’s not as though it’s being dropped on us from planes or 5G transmitters or anything….
Eh…
Two weeks after the last diagnosis, there could still be heaps of people who are infected but just not showing a lot of symptoms, or “recovered” but about to go live again
Yeah, the re-appearance is worrying.
And yes, it’s possible that some people with very mild symptoms will still be infectious, but you’ve gotta draw the line somewhere, and given that this point is likely to be several weeks away, our Health authorities have got time to get their messaging right.
Here, I’m taking into account that some of our risk behavious have been dramatically changed: a small chunk of our workforce have just discovered they could be spending a lot more time working from home, a larger chunk have discovered the joys of Zoom and Webex and such for meetings, everybody just got a whole lot better at washing their hands, and (if Health get their messaging right) everyone will be much better informed.
Anyway… My mind wandered down the path of ‘what next’ because it struck me that, two weeks after the last diagnosis, we should right to lift all restrictions within the country, wouldn’t we?
I mean, it’s not as though it’s being dropped on us from planes or 5G transmitters or anything….
Eh…
Two weeks after the last diagnosis, there could still be heaps of people who are infected but just not showing a lot of symptoms, or “recovered” but about to go live again
Laura Ingraham had some very insightful comments on how quickly the USA should go back to work on her show today. Very insightful.
Two weeks after the last diagnosis, there could still be heaps of people who are infected but just not showing a lot of symptoms, or “recovered” but about to go live again
Laura Ingraham had some very insightful comments on how quickly the USA should go back to work on her show today. Very insightful.
Go on…?
Jesus, Rule, is your sarcasm detector completely waterlogged?
Anyway… My mind wandered down the path of ‘what next’ because it struck me that, two weeks after the last diagnosis, we should right to lift all restrictions within the country, wouldn’t we?
I mean, it’s not as though it’s being dropped on us from planes or 5G transmitters or anything….
Eh…
Two weeks after the last diagnosis, there could still be heaps of people who are infected but just not showing a lot of symptoms, or “recovered” but about to go live again
Yeah, the re-appearance is worrying.
And yes, it’s possible that some people with very mild symptoms will still be infectious, but you’ve gotta draw the line somewhere, and given that this point is likely to be several weeks away, our Health authorities have got time to get their messaging right.
Here, I’m taking into account that some of our risk behavious have been dramatically changed: a small chunk of our workforce have just discovered they could be spending a lot more time working from home, a larger chunk have discovered the joys of Zoom and Webex and such for meetings, everybody just got a whole lot better at washing their hands, and (if Health get their messaging right) everyone will be much better informed.
well you said lift ALL restrictions. You can normalise in stages. Let people go back to work if they really can’t work from home, but keep the distancing legislation.
no substantive larger reality exists outside that generated by his mind, the work of his mind, though that could be a stretch or abuse of the word mind, if mind at all implied even modest psychological mindedness
2,000 extra coronavirus deaths recorded outside hospitals in England and Wales, official figures show
Office data shows deaths in England and Wales in the seven days to 3 April was the highest weekly total since records began. Almost half of all deaths in London were linked to coronavirus
In London nearly half of deaths, 46.6 per cent, involved COVID-19 in the seven days to 3 April.
2,000 extra coronavirus deaths recorded outside hospitals in England and Wales, official figures show
Office data shows deaths in England and Wales in the seven days to 3 April was the highest weekly total since records began. Almost half of all deaths in London were linked to coronavirus
In London nearly half of deaths, 46.6 per cent, involved COVID-19 in the seven days to 3 April.
Interesting to see how countries dispose of the bodies. Must be becoming a problem for some.
2,000 extra coronavirus deaths recorded outside hospitals in England and Wales, official figures show
Office data shows deaths in England and Wales in the seven days to 3 April was the highest weekly total since records began. Almost half of all deaths in London were linked to coronavirus
In London nearly half of deaths, 46.6 per cent, involved COVID-19 in the seven days to 3 April.
So they are the people who were tested before they died? Or are they post mortem testing everyone who dies?
Qld update: new cases fall to just 5, which is the lowest since 10 March. They are fast-tracking new paramedics into the force, although my understanding is that ambulance call-outs have decreased over the past few weeks. I could be wrong about that, can’t remember where I read it.
Qld update: new cases fall to just 5, which is the lowest since 10 March. They are fast-tracking new paramedics into the force, although my understanding is that ambulance call-outs have decreased over the past few weeks. I could be wrong about that, can’t remember where I read it.
Has certainly happened in Victoria. SWMBO was in an ambulance Friday night and they told her things were fairly quiet.
CNN)President Donald Trump announced Tuesday he is halting funding to the World Health Organization while a review is conducted.
Trump said the review would cover the WHO’s “role in severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of coronavirus.”
Trump’s announcement comes in the middle of the worst global pandemic in decades and as he angrily defends his own handling of the outbreak in the United States.
Amid swirling questions about whether he downplayed the crisis or ignored warnings from members of his administration about its potential severity, Trump has sought to assign blame elsewhere, including at the WHO and in the news media.
CNN)President Donald Trump announced Tuesday he is halting funding to the World Health Organization while a review is conducted.
Trump said the review would cover the WHO’s “role in severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of coronavirus.”
Trump’s announcement comes in the middle of the worst global pandemic in decades and as he angrily defends his own handling of the outbreak in the United States.
Amid swirling questions about whether he downplayed the crisis or ignored warnings from members of his administration about its potential severity, Trump has sought to assign blame elsewhere, including at the WHO and in the news media.
CNN)President Donald Trump announced Tuesday he is halting funding to the World Health Organization while a review is conducted.
Trump said the review would cover the WHO’s “role in severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of coronavirus.”
Trump’s announcement comes in the middle of the worst global pandemic in decades and as he angrily defends his own handling of the outbreak in the United States.
Amid swirling questions about whether he downplayed the crisis or ignored warnings from members of his administration about its potential severity, Trump has sought to assign blame elsewhere, including at the WHO and in the news media.
Qld update: new cases fall to just 5, which is the lowest since 10 March. They are fast-tracking new paramedics into the force, although my understanding is that ambulance call-outs have decreased over the past few weeks. I could be wrong about that, can’t remember where I read it.
Has certainly happened in Victoria. SWMBO was in an ambulance Friday night and they told her things were fairly quiet.
one of my paramedic friends said that things were quiet too, I mentioned that a few days ago here.
Qld update: new cases fall to just 5, which is the lowest since 10 March. They are fast-tracking new paramedics into the force, although my understanding is that ambulance call-outs have decreased over the past few weeks. I could be wrong about that, can’t remember where I read it.
Has certainly happened in Victoria. SWMBO was in an ambulance Friday night and they told her things were fairly quiet.
2,000 extra coronavirus deaths recorded outside hospitals in England and Wales, official figures show
Office data shows deaths in England and Wales in the seven days to 3 April was the highest weekly total since records began. Almost half of all deaths in London were linked to coronavirus
In London nearly half of deaths, 46.6 per cent, involved COVID-19 in the seven days to 3 April.
Interesting to see how countries dispose of the bodies. Must be becoming a problem for some.
maybe, though lest we forget that even in “hotspots” it’s barely a quarter of the usual deaths over the same time
2,000 extra coronavirus deaths recorded outside hospitals in England and Wales, official figures show
Office data shows deaths in England and Wales in the seven days to 3 April was the highest weekly total since records began. Almost half of all deaths in London were linked to coronavirus
In London nearly half of deaths, 46.6 per cent, involved COVID-19 in the seven days to 3 April.
Interesting to see how countries dispose of the bodies. Must be becoming a problem for some.
maybe, though lest we forget that even in “hotspots” it’s barely a quarter of the usual deaths over the same time
Surely “almost half” is more than “barely a quarter”?
2,000 extra coronavirus deaths recorded outside hospitals in England and Wales, official figures show
Office data shows deaths in England and Wales in the seven days to 3 April was the highest weekly total since records began. Almost half of all deaths in London were linked to coronavirus
In London nearly half of deaths, 46.6 per cent, involved COVID-19 in the seven days to 3 April.
Interesting to see how countries dispose of the bodies. Must be becoming a problem for some.
2,000 extra coronavirus deaths recorded outside hospitals in England and Wales, official figures show
Office data shows deaths in England and Wales in the seven days to 3 April was the highest weekly total since records began. Almost half of all deaths in London were linked to coronavirus
In London nearly half of deaths, 46.6 per cent, involved COVID-19 in the seven days to 3 April.
Interesting to see how countries dispose of the bodies. Must be becoming a problem for some.
maybe, though lest we forget that even in “hotspots” it’s barely a quarter of the usual deaths over the same time
I mean you are posting this under a quote that it makes up 46.6 % of deaths in London.
Qld update: new cases fall to just 5, which is the lowest since 10 March. They are fast-tracking new paramedics into the force, although my understanding is that ambulance call-outs have decreased over the past few weeks. I could be wrong about that, can’t remember where I read it.
Has certainly happened in Victoria. SWMBO was in an ambulance Friday night and they told her things were fairly quiet.
Oh no! Hope she’s OK.
Yeah, she’s fine :) A viral infection believe it or not :)
CNN)President Donald Trump announced Tuesday he is halting funding to the World Health Organization while a review is conducted.
Trump said the review would cover the WHO’s “role in severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of coronavirus.”
Trump’s announcement comes in the middle of the worst global pandemic in decades and as he angrily defends his own handling of the outbreak in the United States.
Amid swirling questions about whether he downplayed the crisis or ignored warnings from members of his administration about its potential severity, Trump has sought to assign blame elsewhere, including at the WHO and in the news media.
2,000 extra coronavirus deaths recorded outside hospitals in England and Wales, official figures show
Office data shows deaths in England and Wales in the seven days to 3 April was the highest weekly total since records began. Almost half of all deaths in London were linked to coronavirus
In London nearly half of deaths, 46.6 per cent, involved COVID-19 in the seven days to 3 April.
Interesting to see how countries dispose of the bodies. Must be becoming a problem for some.
He’s in a lot of trouble, he’s criticised the WHO, that’s right he’s criticised the World Health Organisation.
He’s in trouble, tremendous bigly huge trouble.
CNN)President Donald Trump announced Tuesday he is halting funding to the World Health Organization while a review is conducted.
Trump said the review would cover the WHO’s “role in severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of coronavirus.”
Trump’s announcement comes in the middle of the worst global pandemic in decades and as he angrily defends his own handling of the outbreak in the United States.
Amid swirling questions about whether he downplayed the crisis or ignored warnings from members of his administration about its potential severity, Trump has sought to assign blame elsewhere, including at the WHO and in the news media.
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump falsely claimed on Monday that, as President, he has “total” authority to decide to lift restrictions governors have imposed to fight the coronavirus pandemic.
“When somebody’s the President of the United States, the authority is total, and that’s the way it’s got to be,” Trump said at a bitter White House coronavirus briefing.
Trump then said: “The authority of the President of the United States having to do with the subject we’re talking about is total.” And after speaking about local governments, he said, “They can’t do anything without the approval of the President of the United States.”
Fact check: Trump falsely claims the president has ‘total’ authority over coronavirus restrictions
By Daniel Dale, CNN
Updated 1209 GMT (2009 HKT) April 14, 2020
Why Trump doesn’t control when the US closes or reopens 01:33
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump falsely claimed on Monday that, as President, he has “total” authority to decide to lift restrictions governors have imposed to fight the coronavirus pandemic.
“When somebody’s the President of the United States, the authority is total, and that’s the way it’s got to be,” Trump said at a bitter White House coronavirus briefing.
Trump then said: “The authority of the President of the United States having to do with the subject we’re talking about is total.” And after speaking about local governments, he said, “They can’t do anything without the approval of the President of the United States.”
It wasn’t clear if he was referring to state or local officials with that assertion. But he was wrong regardless.
Facts First: The President does not have “total” authority over coronavirus restrictions. Without seeking or requiring Trump’s permission, governors, mayors and school district officials imposed the restrictions that have kept citizens at home and shut down schools and businesses, and it’s those same officials who have the power to decide when to lift those restrictions. There is no legislation that explicitly gives the President the power to override states’ public health measures. In addition, Trump said last week that he prefers, because of the Constitution, to let governors make their own decisions on coronavirus restrictions.
He’s in a lot of trouble, he’s criticised the WHO, that’s right he’s criticised the World Health Organisation.
He’s in trouble, tremendous bigly huge trouble.
I think it’s more the cutting of US funding for the WHO in an attempt to deflect blame from himself that people are concerned about.
He’s in a lot of trouble, he’s criticised the WHO, that’s right he’s criticised the World Health Organisation.
He’s in trouble, tremendous bigly huge trouble.
Which is why he’s picked a fight. It’s a political distraction.
CNN)President Donald Trump announced Tuesday he is halting funding to the World Health Organization while a review is conducted.
Trump said the review would cover the WHO’s “role in severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of coronavirus.”
Trump’s announcement comes in the middle of the worst global pandemic in decades and as he angrily defends his own handling of the outbreak in the United States.
Amid swirling questions about whether he downplayed the crisis or ignored warnings from members of his administration about its potential severity, Trump has sought to assign blame elsewhere, including at the WHO and in the news media.
He’s in a lot of trouble, he’s criticised the WHO, that’s right he’s criticised the World Health Organisation.
He’s in trouble, tremendous bigly huge trouble.
I think it’s more the cutting of US funding for the WHO in an attempt to deflect blame from himself that people are concerned about.
Surely nobody is still surprised over this. Nothing is ever trump’s fault, there is always someone else to blame.
He’s in a lot of trouble, he’s criticised the WHO, that’s right he’s criticised the World Health Organisation.
He’s in trouble, tremendous bigly huge trouble.
Which is why he’s picked a fight. It’s a political distraction.
It’s his standard response isn’t it and taking credit for the good things he didn’t do and forgetting he said something contradicting something else he said
He’s in a lot of trouble, he’s criticised the WHO, that’s right he’s criticised the World Health Organisation.
He’s in trouble, tremendous bigly huge trouble.
Which is why he’s picked a fight. It’s a political distraction.
It’s his standard response isn’t it and taking credit for the good things he didn’t do and forgetting he said something contradicting something else he said
He said Dumb and Dumber was his favourite movie as he was actually the third friend Dumbest that wasn’t in it as he got stuck in the toilet during filming
Worldometer website will likely tick over 2,000,000 within an hour or two.
Not cheerleading, but I have a fascination for numbers.
This is interesting stuff and anyone who has an interest in data and statistics has a perfect opportunity to use analytical skills at this time. I don’t think it’s ‘cheerleading’ at all..
the Long Term Ecological Research (LTER) programme, a network of 30 ecological sites stretching from the far north of Alaska all the way down to Antarctica … allows scientists to study ecological processes over decades — from the impact of dwindling snowfalls on the mountains of Colorado to the effects of pollution in a Baltimore stream. At some sites, this might be the first interruption in more than 40 years
…
Other monitoring programmes are facing similar gaps. Scientists often ride along on the commercial container ships that criss-cross the world’s oceans, collecting data and deploying a variety of instruments that measure weather, as well as currents and other properties of the ocean. Most of those ships are still running, but travel restrictions mean that scientists are no longer allowed on board
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knew it, this virus was all a hoax promulgated by rich fossil fuel dependent powerbrokers to conceal the effect their shit has on global warming
Worldometer website will likely tick over 2,000,000 within an hour or two.
Not cheerleading, but I have a fascination for numbers.
This is interesting stuff and anyone who has an interest in data and statistics has a perfect opportunity to use analytical skills at this time. I don’t think it’s ‘cheerleading’ at all..
Yes it is interesting from that viewpoint and human behaviour in a crisis and how various nations react
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00924-6
COVID-19 could ruin weather forecasts
the Long Term Ecological Research (LTER) programme, a network of 30 ecological sites stretching from the far north of Alaska all the way down to Antarctica … allows scientists to study ecological processes over decades — from the impact of dwindling snowfalls on the mountains of Colorado to the effects of pollution in a Baltimore stream. At some sites, this might be the first interruption in more than 40 years
…
Other monitoring programmes are facing similar gaps. Scientists often ride along on the commercial container ships that criss-cross the world’s oceans, collecting data and deploying a variety of instruments that measure weather, as well as currents and other properties of the ocean. Most of those ships are still running, but travel restrictions mean that scientists are no longer allowed on board
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knew it, this virus was all a hoax promulgated by rich fossil fuel dependent powerbrokers to conceal the effect their shit has on global warming
The difference between ‘captains’ is that, while Bligh was a notoriously abrasive character, he was a superb navigator and seaman, an absolute master of his profession.
Bligh was also a man who could manage people under the most difficult of circumstances.
He captained a 7metre open boat with 18 men aboard over 7,100 km, and they all got to their destination alive.
Can’t agree about management. Bounty mutiny then on January 26, 1808, the British army corps stationed in Australia rose up and deposed the British governor Bligh.
Bligh was also a man who could manage people under the most difficult of circumstances.
He captained a 7metre open boat with 18 men aboard over 7,100 km, and they all got to their destination alive.
Can’t agree about management. Bounty mutiny then on January 26, 1808, the British army corps stationed in Australia rose up and deposed the British governor Bligh.
The difference between ‘captains’ is that, while Bligh was a notoriously abrasive character, he was a superb navigator and seaman, an absolute master of his profession.
We have a president. That was a big decision. We ran away from having a king, and George Washington was president, not King Washington. So the president doesn’t have total authority
in other news VIC schooling servers crash, but we’ve never seen traffic jams and-or road rage due to thousands of parents driving their kids to school ever before
in other news VIC schooling servers crash, but we’ve never seen traffic jams and-or road rage due to thousands of parents driving their kids to school ever before
Bligh was also a man who could manage people under the most difficult of circumstances.
He captained a 7metre open boat with 18 men aboard over 7,100 km, and they all got to their destination alive.
Can’t agree about management. Bounty mutiny then on January 26, 1808, the British army corps stationed in Australia rose up and deposed the British governor Bligh.
Bligh was actually in the right as far as the NSW Rum Corps goes. The previous governor or two had complained that they were corrupt to the core, that all the officers should be sacked and the rest of the corps recalled back to England. However there was a war on in Europe at the time and all the competent people were busy, so they sent a navy man out instead, with a reputation for kicking heads. Didn’t work out and the Rum Corps rebelled. But not long after they recalled and the officers sacked; and a new Governor sent out with a load of fresh troops. Only then was the colony saved.
We have a president. That was a big decision. We ran away from having a king, and George Washington was president, not King Washington. So the president doesn’t have total authority
I suspect Trump didn’t know that when he first became POTUS.
We have a president. That was a big decision. We ran away from having a king, and George Washington was president, not King Washington. So the president doesn’t have total authority
I suspect Trump didn’t know that when he first became POTUS.
He probably strutted in wanted to sit on the throne and fiddle with the nuclear football
Bligh was also a man who could manage people under the most difficult of circumstances.
He captained a 7metre open boat with 18 men aboard over 7,100 km, and they all got to their destination alive.
Can’t agree about management. Bounty mutiny then on January 26, 1808, the British army corps stationed in Australia rose up and deposed the British governor Bligh.
Bligh was actually in the right as far as the NSW Rum Corps goes. The previous governor or two had complained that they were corrupt to the core, that all the officers should be sacked and the rest of the corps recalled back to England. However there was a war on in Europe at the time and all the competent people were busy, so they sent a navy man out instead, with a reputation for kicking heads. Didn’t work out and the Rum Corps rebelled. But not long after they recalled and the officers sacked; and a new Governor sent out with a load of fresh troops. Only then was the colony saved.
yep, bligh has been much maligned in the “history” books. bit like ned kelly.
Can’t agree about management. Bounty mutiny then on January 26, 1808, the British army corps stationed in Australia rose up and deposed the British governor Bligh.
Bligh was actually in the right as far as the NSW Rum Corps goes. The previous governor or two had complained that they were corrupt to the core, that all the officers should be sacked and the rest of the corps recalled back to England. However there was a war on in Europe at the time and all the competent people were busy, so they sent a navy man out instead, with a reputation for kicking heads. Didn’t work out and the Rum Corps rebelled. But not long after they recalled and the officers sacked; and a new Governor sent out with a load of fresh troops. Only then was the colony saved.
yep, bligh has been much maligned in the “history” books. bit like ned kelly.
Two mutinies for whatever reason is not acceptable.
Can’t agree about management. Bounty mutiny then on January 26, 1808, the British army corps stationed in Australia rose up and deposed the British governor Bligh.
Bligh was actually in the right as far as the NSW Rum Corps goes. The previous governor or two had complained that they were corrupt to the core, that all the officers should be sacked and the rest of the corps recalled back to England. However there was a war on in Europe at the time and all the competent people were busy, so they sent a navy man out instead, with a reputation for kicking heads. Didn’t work out and the Rum Corps rebelled. But not long after they recalled and the officers sacked; and a new Governor sent out with a load of fresh troops. Only then was the colony saved.
yep, bligh has been much maligned in the “history” books. bit like ned kelly.
It is to do with the wool trade, and what it later became for Australia. Arseholes like MacArthur are given undeserving praise.
Bligh was actually in the right as far as the NSW Rum Corps goes. The previous governor or two had complained that they were corrupt to the core, that all the officers should be sacked and the rest of the corps recalled back to England. However there was a war on in Europe at the time and all the competent people were busy, so they sent a navy man out instead, with a reputation for kicking heads. Didn’t work out and the Rum Corps rebelled. But not long after they recalled and the officers sacked; and a new Governor sent out with a load of fresh troops. Only then was the colony saved.
yep, bligh has been much maligned in the “history” books. bit like ned kelly.
It is to do with the wool trade, and what it later became for Australia. Arseholes like MacArthur are given undeserving praise.
History written by the winners good or bad usually
The difference between ‘captains’ is that, while Bligh was a notoriously abrasive character, he was a superb navigator and seaman, an absolute master of his profession.
there was a time narcissistic braggart, in comparable context, would have quietly met with a, how should I say, fatal misfortune
The difference between ‘captains’ is that, while Bligh was a notoriously abrasive character, he was a superb navigator and seaman, an absolute master of his profession.
For 18 to 22-year-olds, unemployment peaked at 17 per cent, as school leavers and graduates had their career ambitions and dreams dashed or delayed by a lack of work and ended up on “the dole”, as the unemployment benefit was called.
I have thought for a while that loss of smell and taste should be included on the mild-symptoms list – there’s been quite a few papers written about this.
Anecdote alert: My son’s half-brother lives in New York. He has had COVID-19. His only symptoms were loss of smell and taste.
WHO could have been “bolder” earlier in the coronavirus pandemic: Kevin Rudd
ABC News
Former Prime MInister Kevin Rudd has been speaking on ABC News about President Trump’s decision to cut funding to the World Health Organisation
’When I look at President Trump’s statement today, frankly I just shake my head. And the reason is this President is seeking to find any opportunity any day to make a new media statement to take attention away from his appalling lack of domestic preparedness within the United States itself.”
Mr Rudd also spoke about where the blame should be levelled for coronavirus’s spread around the world.
“When you’re looking at culpability for the coronavirus around the world, that culpability is shared by multiple institutions, starting from the internalities of the Chinese state, with the late notification of the disease outbreak in Wuhan, through to the internal politics of
the WHO, through to the poor and late responses by governments around the world to the public warnings issued in January by the WHO.”
Mr Rudd did say the WHO’s response to the pandemic had been mixed.
“In all honesty, it’s been mixed. Remember they, themselves, were not aided by the internal politics within the Chinese system. However … I think we could have seen earlier, bolder statements from the WHO.
“A lot of responsibility lies with the tardiness of national government actions, despite the relative tardiness of some of the WHO earlier notifications.”
WHO could have been “bolder” earlier in the coronavirus pandemic: Kevin Rudd
ABC News
Former Prime MInister Kevin Rudd has been speaking on ABC News about President Trump’s decision to cut funding to the World Health Organisation
’When I look at President Trump’s statement today, frankly I just shake my head. And the reason is this President is seeking to find any opportunity any day to make a new media statement to take attention away from his appalling lack of domestic preparedness within the United States itself.”
Mr Rudd also spoke about where the blame should be levelled for coronavirus’s spread around the world.
“When you’re looking at culpability for the coronavirus around the world, that culpability is shared by multiple institutions, starting from the internalities of the Chinese state, with the late notification of the disease outbreak in Wuhan, through to the internal politics of
the WHO, through to the poor and late responses by governments around the world to the public warnings issued in January by the WHO.”
Mr Rudd did say the WHO’s response to the pandemic had been mixed.
“In all honesty, it’s been mixed. Remember they, themselves, were not aided by the internal politics within the Chinese system. However … I think we could have seen earlier, bolder statements from the WHO.
“A lot of responsibility lies with the tardiness of national government actions, despite the relative tardiness of some of the WHO earlier notifications.”
I don’t see any problem with discussing how well the responsible organisations have performed.
Cutting funding at a time like this is another matter entirely.
WHO could have been “bolder” earlier in the coronavirus pandemic: Kevin Rudd
ABC News
Former Prime MInister Kevin Rudd has been speaking on ABC News about President Trump’s decision to cut funding to the World Health Organisation
’When I look at President Trump’s statement today, frankly I just shake my head. And the reason is this President is seeking to find any opportunity any day to make a new media statement to take attention away from his appalling lack of domestic preparedness within the United States itself.”
Mr Rudd also spoke about where the blame should be levelled for coronavirus’s spread around the world.
“When you’re looking at culpability for the coronavirus around the world, that culpability is shared by multiple institutions, starting from the internalities of the Chinese state, with the late notification of the disease outbreak in Wuhan, through to the internal politics of
the WHO, through to the poor and late responses by governments around the world to the public warnings issued in January by the WHO.”
Mr Rudd did say the WHO’s response to the pandemic had been mixed.
“In all honesty, it’s been mixed. Remember they, themselves, were not aided by the internal politics within the Chinese system. However … I think we could have seen earlier, bolder statements from the WHO.
“A lot of responsibility lies with the tardiness of national government actions, despite the relative tardiness of some of the WHO earlier notifications.”
I don’t see any problem with discussing how well the responsible organisations have performed.
Cutting funding at a time like this is another matter entirely.
temperature is the only determinant of infection ¿
The only one we can measure. How could a Smart phone or watch objectively measure if somebody has a bit of a sore throat or headache?
could it measure heart rate, or sweatiness, or sugar levels
Not with the range of technologies in use. Blood sugar levels for example require regular sampling of blood. The implants only last for about 14 days and they are still quite new technology. The common method is still the fingerprick test, but that requires a regular supply of test strips and needle tips, which all have to be manufactured and stored in proper hygienic conditions.
You can get a smartphone app that links with the implant like a proximity reader, but they are still a separate thing.
Researchers are developing ultraviolet LEDs that have the ability to decontaminate surfaces — and potentially air and water — that have come in contact with the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Researchers are developing ultraviolet LEDs that have the ability to decontaminate surfaces — and potentially air and water — that have come in contact with the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
from article
UV light shows a lot of promise: SSLEEC member company Seoul Semiconductor in early April reported a “99.9% sterilization of coronavirus (COVID-19) in 30 seconds” with their UV LED products. Their technology currently is being adopted for automotive use, in UV LED lamps that sterilize the interior of unoccupied vehicles.
Researchers are developing ultraviolet LEDs that have the ability to decontaminate surfaces — and potentially air and water — that have come in contact with the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
from article
UV light shows a lot of promise: SSLEEC member company Seoul Semiconductor in early April reported a “99.9% sterilization of coronavirus (COVID-19) in 30 seconds” with their UV LED products. Their technology currently is being adopted for automotive use, in UV LED lamps that sterilize the interior of unoccupied vehicles.
This could be very useful in hospitals.
I can visualize Emergency triage using this on their first contact counters
Is it reasonable that if someone wishes to work from home due to fears of the coronavirus (the chances of getting it by community spread in WA are very low regardless) that enough work exists for them to actually do.
A coworker is on leave at the moment pending approval to work from home, this doesn’t make a whole lot of sense as like I said not enough work exists for her to do it at home, she’d pretty much have a paid holiday for months. If she wishes to not be at work then it should be annual and personal leave used not being paid like you are at work
>WHO could have been “bolder” earlier in the coronavirus pandemic: Kevin Rudd
new virus emerges, causes humans to argue about who is to blame
the human species, unhappy with just taking away the liberties of the contagion, has started discussing who’s to blame for the contagiousness of the new contagion
a number of viruses were contacted for comment, none had responded at the time of publishing
Researchers are developing ultraviolet LEDs that have the ability to decontaminate surfaces — and potentially air and water — that have come in contact with the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
from article
UV light shows a lot of promise: SSLEEC member company Seoul Semiconductor in early April reported a “99.9% sterilization of coronavirus (COVID-19) in 30 seconds” with their UV LED products. Their technology currently is being adopted for automotive use, in UV LED lamps that sterilize the interior of unoccupied vehicles.
This could be very useful in hospitals.
I can visualize Emergency triage using this on their first contact counters
Also floor cleaning with robovacs
Robovacs could have UV virus killers installed underneath and zap the floor while vacuuming.
Cr Funnell said he was not trying to influence international politics.
“We are in a sister city relationship with these people so I’m not dabbling in international affairs at all. I’m actually dabbling in local government affairs because this is a local government relationship,” he said.
“I don’t want to be in a relationship with a communist regime.”
These are unusual times and the total number of deaths has increased less than expected due to the positive effects of COVID-19 on human behaviour.
As in less vehicle accidents for example ?
maybe it’ll save the USA from gun massacrée
massacrée…You need to know the song. We always pronounce it that way here. And when the dogs are shaking a toy to “kill” it, one of us will definitely say “I wanna kill! I wanna kill!”
Cr Funnell said he was not trying to influence international politics.
“We are in a sister city relationship with these people so I’m not dabbling in international affairs at all. I’m actually dabbling in local government affairs because this is a local government relationship,” he said.
“I don’t want to be in a relationship with a communist regime.”
Cr Funnell said he was not trying to influence international politics.
“We are in a sister city relationship with these people so I’m not dabbling in international affairs at all. I’m actually dabbling in local government affairs because this is a local government relationship,” he said.
“I don’t want to be in a relationship with a communist regime.”
Cr Funnell said he was not trying to influence international politics.
“We are in a sister city relationship with these people so I’m not dabbling in international affairs at all. I’m actually dabbling in local government affairs because this is a local government relationship,” he said.
“I don’t want to be in a relationship with a communist regime.”
Haven’t they been communist for quite a while now
Since Mao.
Doing a quick Binge on Cr Funnell, he seems like a charming person.
I wonder if they’ll track down the two millionth, interview whoever it is on the tele, and give them a free cruise and new car and a nice two millionth plaque for their loungeroom wall.
I wonder if they’ll track down the two millionth, interview whoever it is on the tele, and give them a free cruise and new car and a nice two millionth plaque for their loungeroom wall.
Cr Funnell said he was not trying to influence international politics.
“We are in a sister city relationship with these people so I’m not dabbling in international affairs at all. I’m actually dabbling in local government affairs because this is a local government relationship,” he said.
“I don’t want to be in a relationship with a communist regime.”
Haven’t they been communist for quite a while now
Since Mao.
What a strange thing to suddenly be upset about then, did they not realise
Cr Funnell said he was not trying to influence international politics.
“We are in a sister city relationship with these people so I’m not dabbling in international affairs at all. I’m actually dabbling in local government affairs because this is a local government relationship,” he said.
“I don’t want to be in a relationship with a communist regime.”
Haven’t they been communist for quite a while now
Yes. The news has finally filtered through to Wagga Wagga.
I imagine they’ll be pleased when they find out that Stalin has died.
Cr Funnell said he was not trying to influence international politics.
“We are in a sister city relationship with these people so I’m not dabbling in international affairs at all. I’m actually dabbling in local government affairs because this is a local government relationship,” he said.
“I don’t want to be in a relationship with a communist regime.”
Haven’t they been communist for quite a while now
Yes. The news has finally filtered through to Wagga Wagga.
I imagine they’ll be pleased when they find out that Stalin has died.
Cr Funnell said he was not trying to influence international politics.
“We are in a sister city relationship with these people so I’m not dabbling in international affairs at all. I’m actually dabbling in local government affairs because this is a local government relationship,” he said.
“I don’t want to be in a relationship with a communist regime.”
Haven’t they been communist for quite a while now
Yes. The news has finally filtered through to Wagga Wagga.
I imagine they’ll be pleased when they find out that Stalin has died.
I wonder if they’ll track down the two millionth, interview whoever it is on the tele, and give them a free cruise and new car and a nice two millionth plaque for their loungeroom wall.
I wonder if they’ll track down the two millionth, interview whoever it is on the tele, and give them a free cruise and new car and a nice two millionth plaque for their loungeroom wall.
Three new Ebola cases detected in Democratic Republic of the Congo
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2240430-three-new-ebola-cases-detected-in-democratic-republic-of-the-congo
The Treasury Department has ordered President Trump’s name be printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans, a process that could slow their delivery by a few days, senior IRS officials said.
The unprecedented decision, finalized late Monday, means that when recipients open the $1,200 paper checks the IRS is scheduled to begin sending to 70 million Americans in coming days, “President Donald J. Trump” will appear on the left side of the payment.
The Treasury Department has ordered President Trump’s name be printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans, a process that could slow their delivery by a few days, senior IRS officials said.
The unprecedented decision, finalized late Monday, means that when recipients open the $1,200 paper checks the IRS is scheduled to begin sending to 70 million Americans in coming days, “President Donald J. Trump” will appear on the left side of the payment.
The Treasury Department has ordered President Trump’s name be printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans, a process that could slow their delivery by a few days, senior IRS officials said.
The unprecedented decision, finalized late Monday, means that when recipients open the $1,200 paper checks the IRS is scheduled to begin sending to 70 million Americans in coming days, “President Donald J. Trump” will appear on the left side of the payment.
The Treasury Department has ordered President Trump’s name be printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans, a process that could slow their delivery by a few days, senior IRS officials said.
The unprecedented decision, finalized late Monday, means that when recipients open the $1,200 paper checks the IRS is scheduled to begin sending to 70 million Americans in coming days, “President Donald J. Trump” will appear on the left side of the payment.
The Treasury Department has ordered President Trump’s name be printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans, a process that could slow their delivery by a few days, senior IRS officials said.
The unprecedented decision, finalized late Monday, means that when recipients open the $1,200 paper checks the IRS is scheduled to begin sending to 70 million Americans in coming days, “President Donald J. Trump” will appear on the left side of the payment.
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Not satire
ROFL
they should be put that ochre melon of his on a three dollar note
The Treasury Department has ordered President Trump’s name be printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans, a process that could slow their delivery by a few days, senior IRS officials said.
The unprecedented decision, finalized late Monday, means that when recipients open the $1,200 paper checks the IRS is scheduled to begin sending to 70 million Americans in coming days, “President Donald J. Trump” will appear on the left side of the payment.
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Not satire
I think someone should dare to add the words ‘Asshat’ really faintly on this run
According to the report, “a total of 130 of 166 new infections (78%) identified in the 24 hours to the afternoon of Wednesday April 1 were asymptomatic”.
That’s high, maybe what we’d expect if they started to do général public screening perhaps…
The Treasury Department has ordered President Trump’s name be printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans, a process that could slow their delivery by a few days, senior IRS officials said.
The unprecedented decision, finalized late Monday, means that when recipients open the $1,200 paper checks the IRS is scheduled to begin sending to 70 million Americans in coming days, “President Donald J. Trump” will appear on the left side of the payment.
COVID-19 Data update
15 Apr 2020
There are no further cases of COVID-19 identified in MLHD. The total number of positive COVID-19 results remains at 44.
More than 80 percent of the benefits of a tax change tucked into the coronavirus relief package Congress passed last month will go to those who earn more than $1 million annually, according to a report by a nonpartisan congressional body expected to be released Tuesday.
This has shook the globalisation paradigm to the core.
With the software available today any half smart country can cheaply tool up to manufacture their own shit.
But it all comes down to an economy of scale, you need to have a large enough middle class population to support your own industries, we may be about 20 million short of that at the moment.
But in the wash up China may suffer a bit but they are big enough to trade internally, the USA may suffer a bit too but they also have a big internal trading market and a good manufacturing base.
Most of this manufacturing and engineering software was developed in the USA and sold at fairly cheap prices to the rest of the world.
Having said that I don’t think it’s going to happen, in twelve months time we’ll go back to a small paradigm shif to slowly implementing global warming shifts in the manufacturing end game.
And in 10 years time Xi Jinping will still be Chinas president and Putin will still be Russia’s president and Ivanka Trump will probably be US president.
This has shook the globalisation paradigm to the core.
With the software available today any half smart country can cheaply tool up to manufacture their own shit.
But it all comes down to an economy of scale, you need to have a large enough middle class population to support your own industries, we may be about 20 million short of that at the moment.
But in the wash up China may suffer a bit but they are big enough to trade internally, the USA may suffer a bit too but they also have a big internal trading market and a good manufacturing base.
Most of this manufacturing and engineering software was developed in the USA and sold at fairly cheap prices to the rest of the world.
Having said that I don’t think it’s going to happen, in twelve months time we’ll go back to a small paradigm shif to slowly implementing global warming shifts in the manufacturing end game.
And in 10 years time Xi Jinping will still be Chinas president and Putin will still be Russia’s president and Ivanka Trump will probably be US president.
there is of course the possibility man so proliferated (activities and all) that the world literally became small, too small, and there’s a secret craving for ‘space’
coronavirus didn’t just make the world seem smaller, it made the reality more apparent, even obvious
This has shook the globalisation paradigm to the core.
With the software available today any half smart country can cheaply tool up to manufacture their own shit.
But it all comes down to an economy of scale, you need to have a large enough middle class population to support your own industries, we may be about 20 million short of that at the moment.
But in the wash up China may suffer a bit but they are big enough to trade internally, the USA may suffer a bit too but they also have a big internal trading market and a good manufacturing base.
Most of this manufacturing and engineering software was developed in the USA and sold at fairly cheap prices to the rest of the world.
Having said that I don’t think it’s going to happen, in twelve months time we’ll go back to a small paradigm shif to slowly implementing global warming shifts in the manufacturing end game.
And in 10 years time Xi Jinping will still be Chinas president and Putin will still be Russia’s president and Ivanka Trump will probably be US president.
there is of course the possibility man so proliferated (activities and all) that the world literally became small, too small, and there’s a secret craving for ‘space’
coronavirus didn’t just make the world seem smaller, it made the reality more apparent, even obvious
human-induced global warming also made the world literally small, the scale of the human imposition on climate became a (competing) force of nature
so really humans are faced with global problems caused (or made worse) by overpopulation, but find it very difficult to acknowledge that, because the problems of overpupulation generate the same feelings of being challenged with extinction that a small group way back on the african savanna might have had, consequently there are runaway responses, which roughly equates to more of the same
what is the probability of globalization having the same trajectory once the situation went into territory of global overpopulation
This has shook the globalisation paradigm to the core.
With the software available today any half smart country can cheaply tool up to manufacture their own shit.
But it all comes down to an economy of scale, you need to have a large enough middle class population to support your own industries, we may be about 20 million short of that at the moment.
But in the wash up China may suffer a bit but they are big enough to trade internally, the USA may suffer a bit too but they also have a big internal trading market and a good manufacturing base.
Most of this manufacturing and engineering software was developed in the USA and sold at fairly cheap prices to the rest of the world.
Having said that I don’t think it’s going to happen, in twelve months time we’ll go back to a small paradigm shif to slowly implementing global warming shifts in the manufacturing end game.
And in 10 years time Xi Jinping will still be Chinas president and Putin will still be Russia’s president and Ivanka Trump will probably be US president.
there is of course the possibility man so proliferated (activities and all) that the world literally became small, too small, and there’s a secret craving for ‘space’
coronavirus didn’t just make the world seem smaller, it made the reality more apparent, even obvious
human-induced global warming also made the world literally small, the scale of the human imposition on climate became a (competing) force of nature
so really humans are faced with global problems caused (or made worse) by overpopulation, but find it very difficult to acknowledge that, because the problems of overpupulation generate the same feelings of being challenged with extinction that a small group way back on the african savanna might have had, consequently there are runaway responses, which roughly equates to more of the same
what is the probability of globalization having the same trajectory once the situation went into territory of global overpopulation
capitalism (today, and to this day) I think depends, has been dependent on population and market expansionism, drives or has driven human expansionism
The predictions about COVID-19’s effects in Africa are dire. eg:
“The first month of the COVID-19 outbreak in 46 sub-Saharan African countries; a comparative analysis of growth rates.
Conclusion:
The 46 sub-Saharan African countries, home to over one billion people, are at a tipping point with clear potential for the outbreak to follow a similar course as in HIC(me: High Income Countries?) in the global north. Radical population-level physical distancing measures may be required, but their impact on poor, disadvantaged and vulnerable people and communities need mitigating. Health systems in the region need urgent technical and material support, with testing, personal protection, and hospital/ critical care.
This has shook the globalisation paradigm to the core.
With the software available today any half smart country can cheaply tool up to manufacture their own shit.
But it all comes down to an economy of scale, you need to have a large enough middle class population to support your own industries, we may be about 20 million short of that at the moment.
But in the wash up China may suffer a bit but they are big enough to trade internally, the USA may suffer a bit too but they also have a big internal trading market and a good manufacturing base.
Most of this manufacturing and engineering software was developed in the USA and sold at fairly cheap prices to the rest of the world.
Having said that I don’t think it’s going to happen, in twelve months time we’ll go back to a small paradigm shif to slowly implementing global warming shifts in the manufacturing end game.
And in 10 years time Xi Jinping will still be Chinas president and Putin will still be Russia’s president and Ivanka Trump will probably be US president.
When pandemics come along, it makes no sense to have manufacturing all in one place.
Have them in multiple places making the same number
scale them up when needed, ie when one or two factories become impacted.
The predictions about COVID-19’s effects in Africa are dire. eg:
“The first month of the COVID-19 outbreak in 46 sub-Saharan African countries; a comparative analysis of growth rates.
Conclusion:
The 46 sub-Saharan African countries, home to over one billion people, are at a tipping point with clear potential for the outbreak to follow a similar course as in HIC(me: High Income Countries?) in the global north. Radical population-level physical distancing measures may be required, but their impact on poor, disadvantaged and vulnerable people and communities need mitigating. Health systems in the region need urgent technical and material support, with testing, personal protection, and hospital/ critical care.
One paper I read predicted Kenya may well have 80% of it population infected by September…
Yes it doesn’t bode well for heavily populated poor countries if heavily populated rich countries can’t stop it. There seems to be a tipping point where some countries are managing to contain it before it gets into widespread community transmission.
I was just here to post that WA had only 5 new cases today. 3 of which are linked to the bloody cruise ships, and 1 is a close contact of an already confirmed case who was hopefully already self-isolating. The one remaining case theyare still investigating, let’s hope it is not some random community transmission.
The predictions about COVID-19’s effects in Africa are dire. eg:
“The first month of the COVID-19 outbreak in 46 sub-Saharan African countries; a comparative analysis of growth rates.
Conclusion:
The 46 sub-Saharan African countries, home to over one billion people, are at a tipping point with clear potential for the outbreak to follow a similar course as in HIC(me: High Income Countries?) in the global north. Radical population-level physical distancing measures may be required, but their impact on poor, disadvantaged and vulnerable people and communities need mitigating. Health systems in the region need urgent technical and material support, with testing, personal protection, and hospital/ critical care.
One paper I read predicted Kenya may well have 80% of it population infected by September…
Yes it doesn’t bode well for heavily populated poor countries if heavily populated rich countries can’t stop it. There seems to be a tipping point where some countries are managing to contain it before it gets into widespread community transmission.
I was just here to post that WA had only 5 new cases today. 3 of which are linked to the bloody cruise ships, and 1 is a close contact of an already confirmed case who was hopefully already self-isolating. The one remaining case theyare still investigating, let’s hope it is not some random community transmission.
surely all that has more to do with readiness to follow sound expert advice, than the luxury in which the Joneses next door live
This has shook the globalisation paradigm to the core.
With the software available today any half smart country can cheaply tool up to manufacture their own shit.
But it all comes down to an economy of scale, you need to have a large enough middle class population to support your own industries, we may be about 20 million short of that at the moment.
But in the wash up China may suffer a bit but they are big enough to trade internally, the USA may suffer a bit too but they also have a big internal trading market and a good manufacturing base.
Most of this manufacturing and engineering software was developed in the USA and sold at fairly cheap prices to the rest of the world.
Having said that I don’t think it’s going to happen, in twelve months time we’ll go back to a small paradigm shif to slowly implementing global warming shifts in the manufacturing end game.
And in 10 years time Xi Jinping will still be Chinas president and Putin will still be Russia’s president and Ivanka Trump will probably be US president.
When pandemics come along, it makes no sense to have manufacturing all in one place.
Have them in multiple places making the same number
scale them up when needed, ie when one or two factories become impacted.
another way is to mothball redundant factories,
or look at ways to retool easily like overnight.
only they had 50 nights of notice, and threw away 45 of them
The predictions about COVID-19’s effects in Africa are dire. eg:
“The first month of the COVID-19 outbreak in 46 sub-Saharan African countries; a comparative analysis of growth rates.
Conclusion:
The 46 sub-Saharan African countries, home to over one billion people, are at a tipping point with clear potential for the outbreak to follow a similar course as in HIC(me: High Income Countries?) in the global north. Radical population-level physical distancing measures may be required, but their impact on poor, disadvantaged and vulnerable people and communities need mitigating. Health systems in the region need urgent technical and material support, with testing, personal protection, and hospital/ critical care.
One paper I read predicted Kenya may well have 80% of it population infected by September…
Yes it doesn’t bode well for heavily populated poor countries if heavily populated rich countries can’t stop it. There seems to be a tipping point where some countries are managing to contain it before it gets into widespread community transmission.
I was just here to post that WA had only 5 new cases today. 3 of which are linked to the bloody cruise ships, and 1 is a close contact of an already confirmed case who was hopefully already self-isolating. The one remaining case theyare still investigating, let’s hope it is not some random community transmission.
Well, Iran probably only got it from a Chinese nuclear scientist, or a NK one that travelled through China. Not much call for nuclear scientists in Kenya. Yet…
I wonder if there is an open source ventilator design that any country can use to start local manufacture of however many ventilators they need.
It is all very well for every motorsports team to start designing brand new ventilators, but what is really needed is lots of ventilators ASAP. The time taken for approvals and testing before ramping up productions lines seems wasted.
I wonder if there is an open source ventilator design that any country can use to start local manufacture of however many ventilators they need.
It is all very well for every motorsports team to start designing brand new ventilators, but what is really needed is lots of ventilators ASAP. The time taken for approvals and testing before ramping up productions lines seems wasted.
I wonder if there is an open source ventilator design that any country can use to start local manufacture of however many ventilators they need.
It is all very well for every motorsports team to start designing brand new ventilators, but what is really needed is lots of ventilators ASAP. The time taken for approvals and testing before ramping up productions lines seems wasted.
get their children to push on the bag once every 4 seconds
I wonder if there is an open source ventilator design that any country can use to start local manufacture of however many ventilators they need.
It is all very well for every motorsports team to start designing brand new ventilators, but what is really needed is lots of ventilators ASAP. The time taken for approvals and testing before ramping up productions lines seems wasted.
I wonder if there is an open source ventilator design that any country can use to start local manufacture of however many ventilators they need.
It is all very well for every motorsports team to start designing brand new ventilators, but what is really needed is lots of ventilators ASAP. The time taken for approvals and testing before ramping up productions lines seems wasted.
Elon Musk: Tesla ‘will make ventilators if there is a shortage’
https://www.engadget.com/2020/03/19/elon-musk-ventilator-coronavirus
Yeah sure. So are Dyson (of the vacuum cleaner fame) and half the Formula 1 teams. So far not a single one has been delivered to hospitals, they’re all just working on the design and testing.
Elon Musk: Tesla ‘will make ventilators if there is a shortage’
https://www.engadget.com/2020/03/19/elon-musk-ventilator-coronavirus
Yeah sure. So are Dyson (of the vacuum cleaner fame) and half the Formula 1 teams. So far not a single one has been delivered to hospitals, they’re all just working on the design and testing.
General Motors’ first ventilators are ready for delivery
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/04/general-motors-first-ventilators-are-ready-for-delivery/
Elon Musk: Tesla ‘will make ventilators if there is a shortage’
https://www.engadget.com/2020/03/19/elon-musk-ventilator-coronavirus
Yeah sure. So are Dyson (of the vacuum cleaner fame) and half the Formula 1 teams. So far not a single one has been delivered to hospitals, they’re all just working on the design and testing.
since there is no product, we should conclude there is no shortage
We may need 300,000 contact tracers to defeat COVID-19. We have 2,200
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/we-may-need-300000-contact-tracers-to-defeat-covid-19-we-have-2200/
We may need 300,000 contact tracers to defeat COVID-19. We have 2,200
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/we-may-need-300000-contact-tracers-to-defeat-covid-19-we-have-2200/
imagine that, they might even employ people !!!!
A National Plan to Enable Comprehensive COVID-19 Case Finding and Contact Tracing in the US 10Based on the average pay for a community health worker of $17 an hour, the potential overall need for funding for a cadre of 100,000 contact investigators, absent a huge number of unpaid volunteers, would amount to approximately $3.6 billion. This is assuming that all 100,000 workers work full time for 1 year. The chance to both contribute to containment of the virus and to replace some amount of income lost during this outbreak may present a welcome opportunity for many workers. As part of this contact tracing workforce, states could include resource coordinators who could help with connecting quarantined individuals with necessary services, such as food banks, mental health services, visiting nurses, and other needed programs.
Hmm. As it says, My Health Record had a dropout rate. The last census had problems. Government outsourced things of this type don’t have a good record.
but if it’s done by private industry it’s freedom, done by government it’s infringement of civil liberty
Yeah, but it’s purpose is of utmost importance. If it helps to find your lost phone, that’s just fine. If it helps to save your life and that of others, well … maybe … no.
The idea is doomed.
how about instead of having to install something on your ‘phone, give people a new device they can choose to carry around or not, which doesn’t have access to all the other stuff on their usual devices, oh we don’t know, they have this kind of thing for prisoners although that isn’t a choice necessarily, maybe at least the illusion of choice
but if it’s done by private industry it’s freedom, done by government it’s infringement of civil liberty
Yeah, but it’s purpose is of utmost importance. If it helps to find your lost phone, that’s just fine. If it helps to save your life and that of others, well … maybe … no.
The idea is doomed.
how about instead of having to install something on your ‘phone, give people a new device they can choose to carry around or not, which doesn’t have access to all the other stuff on their usual devices, oh we don’t know, they have this kind of thing for prisoners although that isn’t a choice necessarily, maybe at least the illusion of choice
fairly much what the alphabet does, provides illusion of choice, most thoughts though must be something else, one’d hope, they could be, probably good part of representational efforts of describing reality aren’t resolved accurately by way of applying the alphabet, but you can see the useful confusion of applying the alphabet, even collective confusions
Harvard Study Says We Could Need Bouts of Social Distancing Until 2022
https://www.sciencealert.com/new-study-suggests-repeated-bouts-of-social-distancing-may-be-needed-until-2022
I think one of the earliest memes put up (or maybe in the original virus thread) it was said something like “if we all self isolate and nothing happens.. that’s the point.”
I think one of the earliest memes put up (or maybe in the original virus thread) it was said something like “if we all self isolate and nothing happens.. that’s the point.”
yeah one of posts saw in a social media feed today, someone’s asking like do you know anyone with this virus?, as if it didn’t exist
they don’t know how lucky they are, still want a visit from corona to confirm its existence
About this data
It changes rapidly
This data changes rapidly and might not reflect some cases still being reported.
It only includes people tested
Cases only include people who were tested and confirmed positive. Testing rules and availability vary by country. Some areas may not have data because they haven’t published their data or haven’t done so recently.
It comes from Wikipedia
Data comes from Wikipedia, and cases are constantly updated from resources around the world. Daily situation reports are also available on the World Health Organization site.
About this data
It changes rapidly
This data changes rapidly and might not reflect some cases still being reported.
It only includes people tested
Cases only include people who were tested and confirmed positive. Testing rules and availability vary by country. Some areas may not have data because they haven’t published their data or haven’t done so recently.
It comes from Wikipedia
Data comes from Wikipedia, and cases are constantly updated from resources around the world. Daily situation reports are also available on the World Health Organization site.
Ah, so it’s cases per head of population.
I was confused by Brazil being so light shaded, but they do have a pretty big population, and are in the early stages (but cases/day now approaching European levels), so it all makes sense.
Also just heard Norman Swan talk about the ying and yang of it all, so that explains Ian’s posts yesterday.
About this data
It changes rapidly
This data changes rapidly and might not reflect some cases still being reported.
It only includes people tested
Cases only include people who were tested and confirmed positive. Testing rules and availability vary by country. Some areas may not have data because they haven’t published their data or haven’t done so recently.
It comes from Wikipedia
Data comes from Wikipedia, and cases are constantly updated from resources around the world. Daily situation reports are also available on the World Health Organization site.
Ah, so it’s cases per head of population.
I was confused by Brazil being so light shaded, but they do have a pretty big population, and are in the early stages (but cases/day now approaching European levels), so it all makes sense.
Also just heard Norman Swan talk about the ying and yang of it all, so that explains Ian’s posts yesterday.
It was certainly an enigmatic series of posts, and we still don’t have a reference (apart from guessing it’s the legendary Karen from Facebook).
Something fishy going on in the UK. The virus has gotten into 2000 aged care homes in spite of all the precautions. Staff being told not to take these people to hospitals. Deaths in aged care homes are not being counted in the official stats.
So it seems like the UK’s figures can’t be trusted as being a complete picture of the extent and severity of the outbreak.
.. and basically they (or someone at least) have decided to let the elderly die because they don’t have the capacity to treat all of them. Sad state of affairs to be in.
Something fishy going on in the UK. The virus has gotten into 2000 aged care homes in spite of all the precautions. Staff being told not to take these people to hospitals. Deaths in aged care homes are not being counted in the official stats.
So it seems like the UK’s figures can’t be trusted as being a complete picture of the extent and severity of the outbreak.
.. and basically they (or someone at least) have decided to let the elderly die because they don’t have the capacity to treat all of them. Sad state of affairs to be in.
Something fishy going on in the UK. The virus has gotten into 2000 aged care homes in spite of all the precautions. Staff being told not to take these people to hospitals. Deaths in aged care homes are not being counted in the official stats.
So it seems like the UK’s figures can’t be trusted as being a complete picture of the extent and severity of the outbreak.
.. and basically they (or someone at least) have decided to let the elderly die because they don’t have the capacity to treat all of them. Sad state of affairs to be in.
What’s the point of having official virus death stats if you’re deliberately ignoring many of them?
Something fishy going on in the UK. The virus has gotten into 2000 aged care homes in spite of all the precautions. Staff being told not to take these people to hospitals. Deaths in aged care homes are not being counted in the official stats.
So it seems like the UK’s figures can’t be trusted as being a complete picture of the extent and severity of the outbreak.
.. and basically they (or someone at least) have decided to let the elderly die because they don’t have the capacity to treat all of them. Sad state of affairs to be in.
What’s the point of having official virus death stats if you’re deliberately ignoring many of them?
well it’s better than having nothing at all, the official are a guide and give you anchoring bias
Something fishy going on in the UK. The virus has gotten into 2000 aged care homes in spite of all the precautions. Staff being told not to take these people to hospitals. Deaths in aged care homes are not being counted in the official stats.
So it seems like the UK’s figures can’t be trusted as being a complete picture of the extent and severity of the outbreak.
.. and basically they (or someone at least) have decided to let the elderly die because they don’t have the capacity to treat all of them. Sad state of affairs to be in.
What’s the point of having official virus death stats if you’re deliberately ignoring many of them?
I think it would be quite difficult to tease out with elderly and or co-morbid patients which ailment actually killed them. Unless you are going to post mortem every dead person. And that is not going to happen.
Something fishy going on in the UK. The virus has gotten into 2000 aged care homes in spite of all the precautions. Staff being told not to take these people to hospitals. Deaths in aged care homes are not being counted in the official stats.
So it seems like the UK’s figures can’t be trusted as being a complete picture of the extent and severity of the outbreak.
.. and basically they (or someone at least) have decided to let the elderly die because they don’t have the capacity to treat all of them. Sad state of affairs to be in.
What’s the point of having official virus death stats if you’re deliberately ignoring many of them?
I think it would be quite difficult to tease out with elderly and or co-morbid patients which ailment actually killed them. Unless you are going to post mortem every dead person. And that is not going to happen.
Yes, but if they have tested positive and have died with the cornavirus, then they must be added to the figures. Almost all deaths have been with comorbidities.
Something fishy going on in the UK. The virus has gotten into 2000 aged care homes in spite of all the precautions. Staff being told not to take these people to hospitals. Deaths in aged care homes are not being counted in the official stats.
So it seems like the UK’s figures can’t be trusted as being a complete picture of the extent and severity of the outbreak.
.. and basically they (or someone at least) have decided to let the elderly die because they don’t have the capacity to treat all of them. Sad state of affairs to be in.
What’s the point of having official virus death stats if you’re deliberately ignoring many of them?
It doesn’t make the situation look so bad, for a government that has been roundly criticised for being too late to act.
They started off talking about herd immunity before radically changing tack and going for lockdown. They missed their narrow window of opportunity to contain the virus, now it is spreading unchecked through community transmission just like Italy or Spain or Germany and France. They had the chance to act and they blew it. I think it is about containing the political fallout from their bad decision making.
What’s the point of having official virus death stats if you’re deliberately ignoring many of them?
I think it would be quite difficult to tease out with elderly and or co-morbid patients which ailment actually killed them. Unless you are going to post mortem every dead person. And that is not going to happen.
Yes, but if they have tested positive and have died with the cornavirus, then they must be added to the figures. Almost all deaths have been with comorbidities.
and if they died due to neglect when they were abandoned due to COVID-19 fear, what’s that counted as
Something fishy going on in the UK. The virus has gotten into 2000 aged care homes in spite of all the precautions. Staff being told not to take these people to hospitals. Deaths in aged care homes are not being counted in the official stats.
So it seems like the UK’s figures can’t be trusted as being a complete picture of the extent and severity of the outbreak.
.. and basically they (or someone at least) have decided to let the elderly die because they don’t have the capacity to treat all of them. Sad state of affairs to be in.
What’s the point of having official virus death stats if you’re deliberately ignoring many of them?
Yes, I’ve sort of being expecting these non-hospital deaths, probably a couple of thousand, to be added to the UK totals but it keeps not happening. France went through the same phenomenon but they’ve somehow managed it.
Something fishy going on in the UK. The virus has gotten into 2000 aged care homes in spite of all the precautions. Staff being told not to take these people to hospitals. Deaths in aged care homes are not being counted in the official stats.
So it seems like the UK’s figures can’t be trusted as being a complete picture of the extent and severity of the outbreak.
.. and basically they (or someone at least) have decided to let the elderly die because they don’t have the capacity to treat all of them. Sad state of affairs to be in.
What’s the point of having official virus death stats if you’re deliberately ignoring many of them?
I think it would be quite difficult to tease out with elderly and or co-morbid patients which ailment actually killed them. Unless you are going to post mortem every dead person. And that is not going to happen.
Surely it would be quite obvious to the staff at the facilities if they see their patients come down with all the classic symptoms of the disease and die from respiratory difficulties.
I think it would be quite difficult to tease out with elderly and or co-morbid patients which ailment actually killed them. Unless you are going to post mortem every dead person. And that is not going to happen.
Yes, but if they have tested positive and have died with the cornavirus, then they must be added to the figures. Almost all deaths have been with comorbidities.
and if they died due to neglect when they were abandoned due to COVID-19 fear, what’s that counted as
That’s a bit like suggesting that the person who is stabbed for their 20-pack of Sorbent when leaving the supermarket should be counted as a COVID19 death.
What’s the point of having official virus death stats if you’re deliberately ignoring many of them?
I think it would be quite difficult to tease out with elderly and or co-morbid patients which ailment actually killed them. Unless you are going to post mortem every dead person. And that is not going to happen.
Surely it would be quite obvious to the staff at the facilities if they see their patients come down with all the classic symptoms of the disease and die from respiratory difficulties.
I’ll repeat my Dad example from the other day. When Dad died last year, he had pneumonia. But his death was put down as lung cancer. I would think that in the present circumstances, he would be down as a coronavirus death, perhaps. No tests were done to check the cause of the pneumonia. It’s not the usual course. Pneumonia is what finishes off a lot of the elderly. It is known as The Old Man’s Friend. You can only say someone died from corona virus if they have tested positive. As far as I know, there is no wholesale testing of the folk in the old people’s homes. Attribution is a very difficult thing unless there has been a positive test or lung sections checked pm.
right wing fanatics who normally call for tax cuts on the rich and warn against closing schools and other disincentives to work, now suggest that we should increase taxation on those who did stay at work, claiming it will have minimal impact on the economy although switching to JobKeeper will be a far more attractive option
and then they have this image, unclear why they have a “total” row
Yes, but if they have tested positive and have died with the cornavirus, then they must be added to the figures. Almost all deaths have been with comorbidities.
and if they died due to neglect when they were abandoned due to COVID-19 fear, what’s that counted as
That’s a bit like suggesting that the person who is stabbed for their 20-pack of Sorbent when leaving the supermarket should be counted as a COVID19 death.
True, it’s probably worth having another category for indirect effects, much as they claim the economy will get fried, despite the imminent recession that was going to happen anyway.
Coonamble (where around a third of the population is Indigenous), saw 10 per cent of NSW’s infringement notices, despite having just 0.04 per cent of the state’s population and no confirmed COVID-19 cases.
Almost a third of fines have been issued in Western Sydney, which has the largest Indigenous and migrant populations in Australia.
Earlier this month, only two of the 151 fines for flouting lockdown rules issued in NSW were in Waverley, in the Eastern suburbs, despite having the state’s highest number of confirmed cases.
so um for everyone sitting out of their mouth about The Health Versus The Economy, how’s that looking now
oh wait they were probably … OVERREACTING
The new JobKeeper payments are likely to keep our unemployment figures relatively low.
Yes, it’s a neat dodge.
Technically those people are still employed, even though they’re doing no work in those jobs.
And, they’re not directly on an unemployment benefit, because the govt gives the money to the employer, who then gives it to the employee (who knows what wage-theft tricks are going on there!).
So, they don’t get counted in the unemployment figures.
I think it would be quite difficult to tease out with elderly and or co-morbid patients which ailment actually killed them. Unless you are going to post mortem every dead person. And that is not going to happen.
Surely it would be quite obvious to the staff at the facilities if they see their patients come down with all the classic symptoms of the disease and die from respiratory difficulties.
I’ll repeat my Dad example from the other day. When Dad died last year, he had pneumonia. But his death was put down as lung cancer. I would think that in the present circumstances, he would be down as a coronavirus death, perhaps. No tests were done to check the cause of the pneumonia. It’s not the usual course. Pneumonia is what finishes off a lot of the elderly. It is known as The Old Man’s Friend. You can only say someone died from corona virus if they have tested positive. As far as I know, there is no wholesale testing of the folk in the old people’s homes. Attribution is a very difficult thing unless there has been a positive test or lung sections checked pm.
I’m not convinced. If the coronavirus is what finally saw them off it should be counted in the official stats. We know it disproportionately affects the elderly. This no testing, no hospitalisation policy seems to be an attempt to mask the real numbers. If they have the disease they are able to pass it on and infect others and all that stuff, so numbers involved should be tracked.
The new JobKeeper payments are likely to keep our unemployment figures relatively low.
Yes, it’s a neat dodge.
Technically those people are still employed, even though they’re doing no work in those jobs.
And, they’re not directly on an unemployment benefit, because the govt gives the money to the employer, who then gives it to the employee (who knows what wage-theft tricks are going on there!).
So, they don’t get counted in the unemployment figures.
Exactly.
As for wage theft, the exployees won’t see a difference, in fact, some will be paid more than they usually are.
Problem is that there are many businesses who are, or will become eligible who should not be, perhaps because their downturn in revenue is from factors not related to Coronavirus. These businesses now have much of their wage expense paid for by us, leaving a nice little bonus in the bank for their owners.
Donald Trump names WWE’s Vince McMahon, other sports bosses as advisers to restart US economy
Worldwide Wrestling chairman Vince McMahon has been included in an advisory group to help reopen the United States economy by President Donald Trump.
The whole Trump decides to reopen the economy so soon seems to be satire. They are still weeks away from their peak.
Listening the the ABC this morning. All the whingers about the shutdown and how WA has so few cases is it really necessary and elective surgery should be started up because the hospitals are empty etc. Its the Y2K bug all over again.
The new JobKeeper payments are likely to keep our unemployment figures relatively low.
Yes, it’s a neat dodge.
Technically those people are still employed, even though they’re doing no work in those jobs.
And, they’re not directly on an unemployment benefit, because the govt gives the money to the employer, who then gives it to the employee (who knows what wage-theft tricks are going on there!).
So, they don’t get counted in the unemployment figures.
Exactly.
As for wage theft, the exployees won’t see a difference, in fact, some will be paid more than they usually are.
Problem is that there are many businesses who are, or will become eligible who should not be, perhaps because their downturn in revenue is from factors not related to Coronavirus. These businesses now have much of their wage expense paid for by us, leaving a nice little bonus in the bank for their owners.
Donald Trump names WWE’s Vince McMahon, other sports bosses as advisers to restart US economy
Worldwide Wrestling chairman Vince McMahon has been included in an advisory group to help reopen the United States economy by President Donald Trump.
The whole Trump decides to reopen the economy so soon seems to be satire. They are still weeks away from their peak.
Listening the the ABC this morning. All the whingers about the shutdown and how WA has so few cases is it really necessary and elective surgery should be started up because the hospitals are empty etc. Its the Y2K bug all over again.
Yep. I spoke with a couple on my walk this morning who ranted about the same. We also joked about how many people were using “our” bushwalk now, but after a little while I realised they were not actually joking.
Donald Trump names WWE’s Vince McMahon, other sports bosses as advisers to restart US economy
Worldwide Wrestling chairman Vince McMahon has been included in an advisory group to help reopen the United States economy by President Donald Trump.
The whole Trump decides to reopen the economy so soon seems to be satire. They are still weeks away from their peak.
Listening the the ABC this morning. All the whingers about the shutdown and how WA has so few cases is it really necessary and elective surgery should be started up because the hospitals are empty etc. Its the Y2K bug all over again.
I hope they got shut down with a blunt “yes, it is necessary”. We still have a chance to stamp it out completely with another couple of weeks or months. Then we can ease off restrictions.
Donald Trump names WWE’s Vince McMahon, other sports bosses as advisers to restart US economy
Worldwide Wrestling chairman Vince McMahon has been included in an advisory group to help reopen the United States economy by President Donald Trump.
The whole Trump decides to reopen the economy so soon seems to be satire. They are still weeks away from their peak.
Trump has no memory. No long-term memory, no short-term memory.
He has no idea of what he said yesterday, or even an hour ago. So, he has no concept of being wrong about something, because there are no past events that can be referenced to say ‘your decision on this was not good’. All that exists is what he says right now, and that will cease to exist in his mind very quickly, so it’s no better or worse than saying or doing something else. There are no consequences, in his way of thinking.
And he expects that everyone else will think the same way, and if you don’t, then it’s you who’s wrong.
Donald Trump names WWE’s Vince McMahon, other sports bosses as advisers to restart US economy
Worldwide Wrestling chairman Vince McMahon has been included in an advisory group to help reopen the United States economy by President Donald Trump.
The whole Trump decides to reopen the economy so soon seems to be satire. They are still weeks away from their peak.
Trump has no memory. No long-term memory, no short-term memory.
He has no idea of what he said yesterday, or even an hour ago. So, he has no concept of being wrong about something, because there are no past events that can be referenced to say ‘your decision on this was not good’. All that exists is what he says right now, and that will cease to exist in his mind very quickly, so it’s no better or worse than saying or doing something else. There are no consequences, in his way of thinking.
And he expects that everyone else will think the same way, and if you don’t, then it’s you who’s wrong.
Donald Trump names WWE’s Vince McMahon, other sports bosses as advisers to restart US economy
Worldwide Wrestling chairman Vince McMahon has been included in an advisory group to help reopen the United States economy by President Donald Trump.
The whole Trump decides to reopen the economy so soon seems to be satire. They are still weeks away from their peak.
Trump has no memory. No long-term memory, no short-term memory.
He has no idea of what he said yesterday, or even an hour ago. So, he has no concept of being wrong about something, because there are no past events that can be referenced to say ‘your decision on this was not good’. All that exists is what he says right now, and that will cease to exist in his mind very quickly, so it’s no better or worse than saying or doing something else. There are no consequences, in his way of thinking.
And he expects that everyone else will think the same way, and if you don’t, then it’s you who’s wrong.
What if all Whitehouse staff thought exactly like Trump?
Donald Trump names WWE’s Vince McMahon, other sports bosses as advisers to restart US economy
Worldwide Wrestling chairman Vince McMahon has been included in an advisory group to help reopen the United States economy by President Donald Trump.
The whole Trump decides to reopen the economy so soon seems to be satire. They are still weeks away from their peak.
Trump has no memory. No long-term memory, no short-term memory.
He has no idea of what he said yesterday, or even an hour ago. So, he has no concept of being wrong about something, because there are no past events that can be referenced to say ‘your decision on this was not good’. All that exists is what he says right now, and that will cease to exist in his mind very quickly, so it’s no better or worse than saying or doing something else. There are no consequences, in his way of thinking.
And he expects that everyone else will think the same way, and if you don’t, then it’s you who’s wrong.
The whole Trump decides to reopen the economy so soon seems to be satire. They are still weeks away from their peak.
Trump has no memory. No long-term memory, no short-term memory.
He has no idea of what he said yesterday, or even an hour ago. So, he has no concept of being wrong about something, because there are no past events that can be referenced to say ‘your decision on this was not good’. All that exists is what he says right now, and that will cease to exist in his mind very quickly, so it’s no better or worse than saying or doing something else. There are no consequences, in his way of thinking.
And he expects that everyone else will think the same way, and if you don’t, then it’s you who’s wrong.
A bit like having dementia….
some are speculating so, even specialists, reportedly
I more went with mindblind narcissist, much as it interests me, which it doesn’t
What if all Whitehouse staff thought exactly like Trump?
That might be fun.
They have to learn to think that way, if they want to keep their jobs.
The key phrase is ‘power without responsibility’.
Decisions are made, orders issued, actions carried out. But, because they’re able to ‘forget’ that those things were done (by them), then they can dissociate themselves from any negative consequences. They can always find someone or something else to blame, and if they get caught out with that, then they attack their questioner.
If things go well, then it’s all credit to them. If not (as is more often the case), they refuse to acknowledge that they did or said anything connected to it.
China’s National Health Commission says 440 people in 13 Chinese provinces are now infected with the new coronavirus, with nine people dying — and there is evidence of respiratory transmission from patient to patient.
China’s National Health Commission says 440 people in 13 Chinese provinces are now infected with the new coronavirus, with nine people dying — and there is evidence of respiratory transmission from patient to patient.
China’s National Health Commission says 440 people in 13 Chinese provinces are now infected with the new coronavirus, with nine people dying — and there is evidence of respiratory transmission from patient to patient.
China’s National Health Commission says 440 people in 13 Chinese provinces are now infected with the new coronavirus, with nine people dying — and there is evidence of respiratory transmission from patient to patient.
“Earlier today, a United States man from Washington state who recently travelled to China was diagnosed with the coronavirus, becoming the first confirmed US case of the newly identified illness. He was in a satisfactory condition at Providence Regional Medical Centre in Washington and was not known to have infected anyone else, Mr Inslee said.”
China’s National Health Commission says 440 people in 13 Chinese provinces are now infected with the new coronavirus, with nine people dying — and there is evidence of respiratory transmission from patient to patient.
I may have said what I say to my kids when they say that they are going to die, “Yes.. eventually”. a variation of which is when they say they are “dying”.. “Yes, you are, at a rate of one second per second”. it’s a Dr Karl quote and about the most useful one..
China’s National Health Commission says 440 people in 13 Chinese provinces are now infected with the new coronavirus, with nine people dying — and there is evidence of respiratory transmission from patient to patient.
Ahem, you just asked a question there.
What were everyone else’s answers?
I may have said what I say to my kids when they say that they are going to die, “Yes.. eventually”. a variation of which is when they say they are “dying”.. “Yes, you are, at a rate of one second per second”. it’s a Dr Karl quote and about the most useful one..
we now apologise for our propounding of conspiracy-like-theory-like avenues of speculation, claiming it is predominantly in the name of Critical Thinking
Only 9, yeah, but the original reported death toll from AIDS on Jun 5 1981 was 5 deaths. It wasn’t until Sep 1981, three months later, that the death toll from AIDS had risen to 16.
So too early to tell in the case of this coronavirus.
I think moll actually nailed it first in these thread, at least. 22 January 2020…
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
1 in 160 000 000 then not bad odds
Only 9, yeah, but the original reported death toll from AIDS on Jun 5 1981 was 5 deaths. It wasn’t until Sep 1981, three months later, that the death toll from AIDS had risen to 16.
So too early to tell in the case of this coronavirus.
possibly true,
mollwollfumble said:
427 deaths now. The death toll has changed from climbing exponentially to climbing quadratically. Which is good, sort of, it means
you have a lot more time until you need to have your will in order. In 3 years the death toll is only looking like 2.4 million people.
Although alcohol-induced mortality rates are declining, 2017 still recorded the largest number of deaths in this period, with 1,366 persons dying as a direct result of alcohol, indicating that alcohol consumption still causes significant burden within the Australian health system.
Alcohol related fatalities extend beyond those deaths which are directly attributable to alcohol. In 2017 there were 4,186 deaths where alcohol was mentioned as being a contributing factor to mortality.
How does that compare to 6,440 confirmed cases and 63 deaths.
Although alcohol-induced mortality rates are declining, 2017 still recorded the largest number of deaths in this period, with 1,366 persons dying as a direct result of alcohol, indicating that alcohol consumption still causes significant burden within the Australian health system.
Alcohol related fatalities extend beyond those deaths which are directly attributable to alcohol. In 2017 there were 4,186 deaths where alcohol was mentioned as being a contributing factor to mortality.
How does that compare to 6,440 confirmed cases and 63 deaths.
Wrong comparison, Compare it to the potential 20+ million cases and 1 million deaths (at a very modest fatality rate of 5%) for the covids.
China’s National Health Commission says 440 people in 13 Chinese provinces are now infected with the new coronavirus, with nine people dying — and there is evidence of respiratory transmission from patient to patient.
Although alcohol-induced mortality rates are declining, 2017 still recorded the largest number of deaths in this period, with 1,366 persons dying as a direct result of alcohol, indicating that alcohol consumption still causes significant burden within the Australian health system.
Alcohol related fatalities extend beyond those deaths which are directly attributable to alcohol. In 2017 there were 4,186 deaths where alcohol was mentioned as being a contributing factor to mortality.
How does that compare to 6,440 confirmed cases and 63 deaths.
Wrong comparison, Compare it to the potential 20+ million cases and 1 million deaths (at a very modest fatality rate of 5%) for the covids.
eh we don’t go down to the corner and buy a 6 pack of COVID-19 but sure, all we’re pointing out is that there are preventable deaths, and there are preventable deaths, and some of them don’t have to tank the economy
Although alcohol-induced mortality rates are declining, 2017 still recorded the largest number of deaths in this period, with 1,366 persons dying as a direct result of alcohol, indicating that alcohol consumption still causes significant burden within the Australian health system.
Alcohol related fatalities extend beyond those deaths which are directly attributable to alcohol. In 2017 there were 4,186 deaths where alcohol was mentioned as being a contributing factor to mortality.
How does that compare to 6,440 confirmed cases and 63 deaths.
Wrong comparison, Compare it to the potential 20+ million cases and 1 million deaths (at a very modest fatality rate of 5%) for the covids.
eh we don’t go down to the corner and buy a 6 pack of COVID-19 but sure, all we’re pointing out is that there are preventable deaths, and there are preventable deaths, and some of them don’t have to tank the economy
The government relies upon our drinking and smoking habits to raise revenue. Perhaps they should check all the figures?
Although alcohol-induced mortality rates are declining, 2017 still recorded the largest number of deaths in this period, with 1,366 persons dying as a direct result of alcohol, indicating that alcohol consumption still causes significant burden within the Australian health system.
Alcohol related fatalities extend beyond those deaths which are directly attributable to alcohol. In 2017 there were 4,186 deaths where alcohol was mentioned as being a contributing factor to mortality.
How does that compare to 6,440 confirmed cases and 63 deaths.
Wrong comparison, Compare it to the potential 20+ million cases and 1 million deaths (at a very modest fatality rate of 5%) for the covids.
eh we don’t go down to the corner and buy a 6 pack of COVID-19 but sure, all we’re pointing out is that there are preventable deaths, and there are preventable deaths, and some of them don’t have to tank the economy
So do we make alcohol illegal, or just put everybody on those alcohol free debit cards?
Wrong comparison, Compare it to the potential 20+ million cases and 1 million deaths (at a very modest fatality rate of 5%) for the covids.
eh we don’t go down to the corner and buy a 6 pack of COVID-19 but sure, all we’re pointing out is that there are preventable deaths, and there are preventable deaths, and some of them don’t have to tank the economy
So do we make alcohol illegal, or just put everybody on those alcohol free debit cards?
eh we don’t go down to the corner and buy a 6 pack of COVID-19 but sure, all we’re pointing out is that there are preventable deaths, and there are preventable deaths, and some of them don’t have to tank the economy
So do we make alcohol illegal, or just put everybody on those alcohol free debit cards?
Sex in the greatest cause of mortality.
I read that as “sex is the greatest cause of morality”.
Wrong comparison, Compare it to the potential 20+ million cases and 1 million deaths (at a very modest fatality rate of 5%) for the covids.
eh we don’t go down to the corner and buy a 6 pack of COVID-19 but sure, all we’re pointing out is that there are preventable deaths, and there are preventable deaths, and some of them don’t have to tank the economy
So do we make alcohol illegal, or just put everybody on those alcohol free debit cards?
pretty sure the article merely suggests restricting advertising for a poison, which has possibly been done before for other things, like (S)-3-pyridine
eh we don’t go down to the corner and buy a 6 pack of COVID-19 but sure, all we’re pointing out is that there are preventable deaths, and there are preventable deaths, and some of them don’t have to tank the economy
So do we make alcohol illegal, or just put everybody on those alcohol free debit cards?
So do we make alcohol illegal, or just put everybody on those alcohol free debit cards?
Sex in the greatest cause of mortality.
I read that as “sex is the greatest cause of morality”.
I was a bit puzzled.
Anyway, it is now part of Australian law that all risks must be reduced or minimised “so far as is reasonably practicable”, so we probably should ban alcohol, get rid of cars and bicycles, and prevent access to all locations allowing a vertical fall greater than 3 metres.
eh we don’t go down to the corner and buy a 6 pack of COVID-19 but sure, all we’re pointing out is that there are preventable deaths, and there are preventable deaths, and some of them don’t have to tank the economy
So do we make alcohol illegal, or just put everybody on those alcohol free debit cards?
pretty sure the article merely suggests restricting advertising for a poison, which has possibly been done before for other things, like (S)-3-[1-methylpyrrolidin-2-yl]pyridine
eh we don’t go down to the corner and buy a 6 pack of COVID-19 but sure, all we’re pointing out is that there are preventable deaths, and there are preventable deaths, and some of them don’t have to tank the economy
So do we make alcohol illegal, or just put everybody on those alcohol free debit cards?
pretty sure the article merely suggests restricting advertising for a poison, which has possibly been done before for other things, like (S)-3-pyridine
I read that as “sex is the greatest cause of morality”.
I was a bit puzzled.
Anyway, it is now part of Australian law that all risks must be reduced or minimised “so far as is reasonably practicable”, so we probably should ban alcohol, get rid of cars and bicycles, and prevent access to all locations allowing a vertical fall greater than 3 metres.
yeah but by our reason[abl]ing we can still have all those, we suppose everyone’s different
Although alcohol-induced mortality rates are declining, 2017 still recorded the largest number of deaths in this period, with 1,366 persons dying as a direct result of alcohol, indicating that alcohol consumption still causes significant burden within the Australian health system.
Alcohol related fatalities extend beyond those deaths which are directly attributable to alcohol. In 2017 there were 4,186 deaths where alcohol was mentioned as being a contributing factor to mortality.
How does that compare to 6,440 confirmed cases and 63 deaths.
Wrong comparison, Compare it to the potential 20+ million cases and 1 million deaths (at a very modest fatality rate of 5%) for the covids.
eh we don’t go down to the corner and buy a 6 pack of COVID-19 but sure, all we’re pointing out is that there are preventable deaths, and there are preventable deaths, and some of them don’t have to tank the economy
The thing is some countries, busted arsed countries, don’t have an economy to tank, it’s already tanked so they aint going to do anything.
So do we make alcohol illegal, or just put everybody on those alcohol free debit cards?
pretty sure the article merely suggests restricting advertising for a poison, which has possibly been done before for other things, like (S)-3-pyridine
Oh, was there an article I was supposed to read?
i thought here on Forum we were meant to just jump on the mask-free-public-transport like everyone else and anyway here it is again sorry
pretty sure the article merely suggests restricting advertising for a poison, which has possibly been done before for other things, like (S)-3-pyridine
Oh, was there an article I was supposed to read?
i thought here on Forum we were meant to just jump on the mask-free-public-transport like everyone else and anyway here it is again sorry
pretty sure the article merely suggests restricting advertising for a poison, which has possibly been done before for other things, like (S)-3-pyridine
Oh, was there an article I was supposed to read?
i thought here on Forum we were meant to just jump on the mask-free-public-transport like everyone else and anyway here it is again sorry
ONS statement from yesterday regarding the discrepancy between the official figures and the actual figures for deaths in the UK.
Deaths involving COVID-19
Our latest data on weekly deaths registrations include deaths involving COVID-19. Up to 3 April, there were 4,122 deaths registered in England and Wales involving COVID-19 (2,523 men and 1,599 women).
The majority of deaths involving COVID-19 have been among people aged 65 years and over (3,588 out of 4,122), with 39% (1,396) of these occurring in the over-85 age group.
Our figures are based on deaths registered in the stated period and include all deaths where “COVID-19” was mentioned on death certificates. They differ from those published by the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), which are based on deaths occurring to date among hospital patients who have tested positive for COVID-19.
DHSC figures are valuable because they are available quickly and give an indication of what is happening daily. Our numbers are slower to prepare because they have to be certified by a doctor, registered and processed. But once ready, they are the most comprehensive.
Note however that the Health Ministry figures are for the UK, whereas the ONS figures are for England and Wales.
On 3 April, by ONS’s count there had been 4122 deaths in England and Wales, and by the Health Miniitry’s figures 3605 deaths in the UK. The former figure is 14% higher than the latter, but the latter includes Scotland and Northern Ireland.
There had been about 962 deaths as at the 12th of April in Scotland. Of these, only 62% were in hospitals! (13% at a residence, 25% in care homes). (Scotland has its own health ministry which seems to be able to get fresh updates about non-hospital deaths. Maybe they should export that technology down south.) Sp on that day Scotland made up 5.6% of British Covid-19 hospital deaths.
In Northern Ireland, as April 14, there had been 134 deaths in hospitals., some 1.1% of all British Covid-19 hospital deaths.
Putting all this together it would suggest that, if these proportions have stayed fairly constant, that real figures in E&W are 23% higher than the official, and the Scotland figures are 61% higher than official. If we take the lower figure as our guess for NI, then, overall, the real death count for the UK is some 25% higher than the official death count: perhaps around 16000.
ONS statement from yesterday regarding the discrepancy between the official figures and the actual figures for deaths in the UK.
Deaths involving COVID-19
Our latest data on weekly deaths registrations include deaths involving COVID-19. Up to 3 April, there were 4,122 deaths registered in England and Wales involving COVID-19 (2,523 men and 1,599 women).
The majority of deaths involving COVID-19 have been among people aged 65 years and over (3,588 out of 4,122), with 39% (1,396) of these occurring in the over-85 age group.
Our figures are based on deaths registered in the stated period and include all deaths where “COVID-19” was mentioned on death certificates. They differ from those published by the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), which are based on deaths occurring to date among hospital patients who have tested positive for COVID-19.
DHSC figures are valuable because they are available quickly and give an indication of what is happening daily. Our numbers are slower to prepare because they have to be certified by a doctor, registered and processed. But once ready, they are the most comprehensive.
Note however that the Health Ministry figures are for the UK, whereas the ONS figures are for England and Wales.
On 3 April, by ONS’s count there had been 4122 deaths in England and Wales, and by the Health Miniitry’s figures 3605 deaths in the UK. The former figure is 14% higher than the latter, but the latter includes Scotland and Northern Ireland.
There had been about 962 deaths as at the 12th of April in Scotland. Of these, only 62% were in hospitals! (13% at a residence, 25% in care homes). (Scotland has its own health ministry which seems to be able to get fresh updates about non-hospital deaths. Maybe they should export that technology down south.) Sp on that day Scotland made up 5.6% of British Covid-19 hospital deaths.
In Northern Ireland, as April 14, there had been 134 deaths in hospitals., some 1.1% of all British Covid-19 hospital deaths.
Putting all this together it would suggest that, if these proportions have stayed fairly constant, that real figures in E&W are 23% higher than the official, and the Scotland figures are 61% higher than official. If we take the lower figure as our guess for NI, then, overall, the real death count for the UK is some 25% higher than the official death count: perhaps around 16000.
Although alcohol-induced mortality rates are declining, 2017 still recorded the largest number of deaths in this period, with 1,366 persons dying as a direct result of alcohol, indicating that alcohol consumption still causes significant burden within the Australian health system.
Alcohol related fatalities extend beyond those deaths which are directly attributable to alcohol. In 2017 there were 4,186 deaths where alcohol was mentioned as being a contributing factor to mortality.
How does that compare to 6,440 confirmed cases and 63 deaths.
Wrong comparison, Compare it to the potential 20+ million cases and 1 million deaths (at a very modest fatality rate of 5%) for the covids.
eh we don’t go down to the corner and buy a 6 pack of COVID-19 but sure, all we’re pointing out is that there are preventable deaths, and there are preventable deaths, and some of them don’t have to tank the economy
Until there is a recreational form of the Covids, we can’t compare apples with apples.
Wrong comparison, Compare it to the potential 20+ million cases and 1 million deaths (at a very modest fatality rate of 5%) for the covids.
eh we don’t go down to the corner and buy a 6 pack of COVID-19 but sure, all we’re pointing out is that there are preventable deaths, and there are preventable deaths, and some of them don’t have to tank the economy
Until there is a recreational form of the Covids, we can’t compare apples with apples.
fair
(though it did seem like it was all a bit of fun and games for for poor ol’ Boris until someone got admitted to ICU)
eh we don’t go down to the corner and buy a 6 pack of COVID-19 but sure, all we’re pointing out is that there are preventable deaths, and there are preventable deaths, and some of them don’t have to tank the economy
Until there is a recreational form of the Covids, we can’t compare apples with apples.
fair
(though it did seem like it was all a bit of fun and games for for poor ol’ Boris until someone got admitted to ICU)
big part of he aversion to letting covid-19 run free is the added horror situation of isolation from those nearest during illness through to death, and extending afterward to organizing a funeral, so if unnecessary death isn’t enough, consider an unnatural death, multiplied by many, and as it goes civilized culture tends to reduce unnecessary deaths, and unnatural death, large part of what decent culture does
so you need consider what unnatural death is, consult the moral faculties, and it that act is the beginnings of some systems theory too, ideas about broader cultures, values and stuff
Until there is a recreational form of the Covids, we can’t compare apples with apples.
fair
(though it did seem like it was all a bit of fun and games for for poor ol’ Boris until someone got admitted to ICU)
big part of he aversion to letting covid-19 run free is the added horror situation of isolation from those nearest during illness through to death, and extending afterward to organizing a funeral, so if unnecessary death isn’t enough, consider an unnatural death, multiplied by many, and as it goes civilized culture tends to reduce unnecessary deaths, and unnatural death, large part of what decent culture does
so you need consider what unnatural death is, consult the moral faculties, and it that act is the beginnings of some systems theory too, ideas about broader cultures, values and stuff
>so you need consider what unnatural death is, consult the moral faculties, and itin that act is the beginnings of some systems theory too, ideas about broader culture s, values and stuff
US President Donald Trump has threatened to suspend both houses of Congress so he can make appointments to vacant government positions, leading to accusations he was behaving like the leader of a “banana republic”.
The US constitution gives the President the authority “on extraordinary occasions” to convene or adjourn the House of Representatives and Senate, a power experts say has never been used before.
Trump’s remarkable threat – which came on the day US recorded its highest number of coronavirus deaths – drew immediate criticism, including from a constitutional scholar who argued against his impeachment last year.
US President Donald Trump has threatened to suspend both houses of Congress so he can make appointments to vacant government positions, leading to accusations he was behaving like the leader of a “banana republic”.
The US constitution gives the President the authority “on extraordinary occasions” to convene or adjourn the House of Representatives and Senate, a power experts say has never been used before.
Trump’s remarkable threat – which came on the day US recorded its highest number of coronavirus deaths – drew immediate criticism, including from a constitutional scholar who argued against his impeachment last year.
US President Donald Trump has threatened to suspend both houses of Congress so he can make appointments to vacant government positions, leading to accusations he was behaving like the leader of a “banana republic”.
The US constitution gives the President the authority “on extraordinary occasions” to convene or adjourn the House of Representatives and Senate, a power experts say has never been used before.
Trump’s remarkable threat – which came on the day US recorded its highest number of coronavirus deaths – drew immediate criticism, including from a constitutional scholar who argued against his impeachment last year.
Well, they always say, you get what you vote for, apparently.
SCIENCE, quite a few articles have been written about female led nations fairing better than male led. Do you thing this view bears statistical scrutiny?
US President Donald Trump has threatened to suspend both houses of Congress so he can make appointments to vacant government positions, leading to accusations he was behaving like the leader of a “banana republic”.
The US constitution gives the President the authority “on extraordinary occasions” to convene or adjourn the House of Representatives and Senate, a power experts say has never been used before.
Trump’s remarkable threat – which came on the day US recorded its highest number of coronavirus deaths – drew immediate criticism, including from a constitutional scholar who argued against his impeachment last year.
Well, they always say, you get what you vote for, apparently.
SCIENCE, quite a few articles have been written about female led nations fairing better than male led. Do you thing this view bears statistical scrutiny?
US President Donald Trump has threatened to suspend both houses of Congress so he can make appointments to vacant government positions, leading to accusations he was behaving like the leader of a “banana republic”.
The US constitution gives the President the authority “on extraordinary occasions” to convene or adjourn the House of Representatives and Senate, a power experts say has never been used before.
Trump’s remarkable threat – which came on the day US recorded its highest number of coronavirus deaths – drew immediate criticism, including from a constitutional scholar who argued against his impeachment last year.
Well, they always say, you get what you vote for, apparently.
SCIENCE, quite a few articles have been written about female led nations fairing better than male led. Do you thing this view bears statistical scrutiny?
US President Donald Trump has threatened to suspend both houses of Congress so he can make appointments to vacant government positions, leading to accusations he was behaving like the leader of a “banana republic”.
The US constitution gives the President the authority “on extraordinary occasions” to convene or adjourn the House of Representatives and Senate, a power experts say has never been used before.
Trump’s remarkable threat – which came on the day US recorded its highest number of coronavirus deaths – drew immediate criticism, including from a constitutional scholar who argued against his impeachment last year.
Well, they always say, you get what you vote for, apparently.
SCIENCE, quite a few articles have been written about female led nations fairing better than male led. Do you thing this view bears statistical scrutiny?
Well, despite arguments to the effect that {people are just people and bulk similarity overwhelms small differences}*, we contend that males and females do exhibit different patterns of behaviour.
*: as you will recall, we agree with your long ago contention that by such argument, red light is sufficiently similar to green light that driving right on through the red light at the intersection …
There will be situations “that call for”, which is to say, impose conditions that favour, certain patterns of behaviour (including leadership and decision making), and the outcomes will correspondingly differ. As to whether the claimed improvement is as described, we have not investigated enough of the cases to give an adequately considered answer. We do think that it might be valuable to increase the female representation across the world population, to admit greater scientific study of whether it does yield improvement.
For deeper consideration, we additionally offer two observations we are more familiar with.
(1) Females appear to be underrepresented in STEM, but where they do participate, they do often bring a different perspective to the table, compared to the (stereotypically) male perspectives that often arise. This does appear to be beneficial. We have no reason to believe this would not generalise to other areas, for example, in governance.
(2) In the “leadership” “hierarchy” (“management” perhaps) of, well, anywhere, we frequently observe a particular set of personality traits that associate with higher positions in hierarchy. We caution that the advantages of “different perspective” are lost, where the “boys’ club” effect limits the entry of female** leaders to those who are merely emulating men.
**: genetically, anatomically, or otherwise identified as, female
In summary: it could be a robust finding that leadership by females is more successful in the current world situation. We wouldn’t be surprised.
So now we get an idea about where they’re headed (I’m sure they didn’t really know a week ago either). Not to extinction of the virus in Australia, but ensuring that it remains at manageable and tightly controlled levels.
So now we get an idea about where they’re headed (I’m sure they didn’t really know a week ago either). Not to extinction of the virus in Australia, but ensuring that it remains at manageable and tightly controlled levels.
maybe but they are managing relatively smoothly in KR, “wild”-extinction is good enough where by “wild” we mean “community transmission”, if you have control at all times then it’s a short step away from extinction proper
So now we get an idea about where they’re headed (I’m sure they didn’t really know a week ago either). Not to extinction of the virus in Australia, but ensuring that it remains at manageable and tightly controlled levels.
So now we get an idea about where they’re headed (I’m sure they didn’t really know a week ago either). Not to extinction of the virus in Australia, but ensuring that it remains at manageable and tightly controlled levels.
the Government had decided that going ahead with the NT’s annual July 1 cracker night was “too risky” and could place extra strain on already-stretched emergency services
The decision to axe celebrations more than two months out from the anniversary of self-government attracted immediate criticism.
Territory Alliance leader Terry Mills labelled the decision “overreach” that “risks eroding the good will of the community”.
But Mr Gunner said the Territory Day decision came after businesses and firework retailers advised him against proceeding with the usual pyrotechnics.
“Our sellers reached out to me and said imports are not happening like they used to, and our fireworks come from China.
“In fact, a lot come from around Wuhan.
“Our sellers don’t want to put any more pressure on our emergency services. Whether it’s our ambos or fireys or cops, they have enough on their plate.”
So now we get an idea about where they’re headed (I’m sure they didn’t really know a week ago either). Not to extinction of the virus in Australia, but ensuring that it remains at manageable and tightly controlled levels.
Interestingly, ScoMo hinted to Leigh Sales tonight, that the TWU should put superannuation funds into Virgin Airlines.
A teensy bit socialist?
Far out. Why is he thinking about what other people should do with their money?
Because Leigh Sales asked him whether the government was going to bail out Virgin. To which he effectively answered no. And suggested Virgin probably should figure out their own commercial arrangements. Then the hint about TWU.
Interestingly, ScoMo hinted to Leigh Sales tonight, that the TWU should put superannuation funds into Virgin Airlines.
A teensy bit socialist?
Far out. Why is he thinking about what other people should do with their money?
Because Leigh Sales asked him whether the government was going to bail out Virgin. To which he effectively answered no. And suggested Virgin probably should figure out their own commercial arrangements. Then the hint about TWU.
Oh. So what he was saying is that to bail out Virgin would be a left wing thing.
Far out. Why is he thinking about what other people should do with their money?
Because Leigh Sales asked him whether the government was going to bail out Virgin. To which he effectively answered no. And suggested Virgin probably should figure out their own commercial arrangements. Then the hint about TWU.
Oh. So what he was saying is that to bail out Virgin would be a left wing thing.
He’d probably expect them to invest in the right wing, too. And a bit for where the people sit.
Also, not completely a rhetorical question, why are the dudes in charge (or even in general) always so quick to leap to blame someone, but so slow to leap to action that actually solves the problem ¿
It’s been another bad day on the coronavirus front with 11 new cases in Tasmania. 1 is in the South while the 10 in the North West includes 3 health care workers. Of most concern is a worker who did shifts at 3 nursing homes – Melaleuca in East Devonport, Coroneagh Park in Penguin and Eliza Purton Home in Ulverstone – as the Regional and Private Hospitals. Contact tracing is now under way. The state’s COVID-19 total is now 180.
There are no other confirmed cases of coronavirus in any of the three nursing homes. One resident, with mild respiratory symptoms, has been tested today. The results of this test are expected tomorrow.
“PHS is working with these facilities to ensure they have appropriate plans and infection control procedures in place,” said Director Mark Veitch. “Any staff who had close contact with the case when they may have been infectious will be quarantined.
Any resident or staff member displaying symptoms will be tested as a priority.
We understand that residents of these facilities, and their family members and loved ones, may be concerned at this news. We can assure the community that PHS is doing everything it can to work with the facilities to identify any other potential cases. There is currently no outbreak in any Tasmanian nursing home.”
It’s been another bad day on the coronavirus front with 11 new cases in Tasmania. 1 is in the South while the 10 in the North West includes 3 health care workers. Of most concern is a worker who did shifts at 3 nursing homes – Melaleuca in East Devonport, Coroneagh Park in Penguin and Eliza Purton Home in Ulverstone – as the Regional and Private Hospitals. Contact tracing is now under way. The state’s COVID-19 total is now 180.
There are no other confirmed cases of coronavirus in any of the three nursing homes. One resident, with mild respiratory symptoms, has been tested today. The results of this test are expected tomorrow.
“PHS is working with these facilities to ensure they have appropriate plans and infection control procedures in place,” said Director Mark Veitch. “Any staff who had close contact with the case when they may have been infectious will be quarantined.
Any resident or staff member displaying symptoms will be tested as a priority.
We understand that residents of these facilities, and their family members and loved ones, may be concerned at this news. We can assure the community that PHS is doing everything it can to work with the facilities to identify any other potential cases. There is currently no outbreak in any Tasmanian nursing home.”
I wonder what’s going on with community nursing. My nurse Jo visited lots of people, mostly a lot older than me, all around this region.
I imagine they’re still doing it but with all sorts of extra tedious precautions.
Date: 11/04/2020 11:39:01
From: dv
ID: 1536542
Subject: re: Corona Virus April 5 – 11
ID: 1536542
Subject: re: Corona Virus April 5 – 11
Hey I ain’t no epidemiologist, and I’m very big on respecting the work of experts but the massively reduced ultimate death count estimate for the US (60000) has got me scratching my head.
As we speak, the daily death count for the US is still increasing. Yesterday it was 2043. The total is 18725. (If the daily death count stayed at that level, they’d reach 60000 within 20 days). In order for the ultimate total to end up at 60000, not only would the daily death count need to stop rising basically immediately, but it would need to drastically drop within a couple of weeks.
U.S. Coronavirus Death Projection Reduced to 60,000 Based on Leading Data Model
The U.S. death toll from the new coronavirus, COVID-19, is now projected to be 60,000, a significant drop from earlier projections.
Health officials had said in late March that their leading model, from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, estimated that 100,000 to 200,000 Americans would die by the end of the summer, and that the peak number of deaths would come in the middle of April.
As time has passed, I’ve become more skeptical of their prediction. They are now at 28529 deaths, and the daily death count has risen to ~2500. At this rate they’d be at 60000 in 13 days. Even if the peak is now and their deathrates suddenly start declining by a third every week, they are going to be at 60000 within three weeks.
Date: 11/04/2020 11:39:01
From: dv
ID: 1536542
Subject: re: Corona Virus April 5 – 11
ID: 1536542
Subject: re: Corona Virus April 5 – 11
Hey I ain’t no epidemiologist, and I’m very big on respecting the work of experts but the massively reduced ultimate death count estimate for the US (60000) has got me scratching my head.
As we speak, the daily death count for the US is still increasing. Yesterday it was 2043. The total is 18725. (If the daily death count stayed at that level, they’d reach 60000 within 20 days). In order for the ultimate total to end up at 60000, not only would the daily death count need to stop rising basically immediately, but it would need to drastically drop within a couple of weeks.
U.S. Coronavirus Death Projection Reduced to 60,000 Based on Leading Data Model
The U.S. death toll from the new coronavirus, COVID-19, is now projected to be 60,000, a significant drop from earlier projections.
Health officials had said in late March that their leading model, from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, estimated that 100,000 to 200,000 Americans would die by the end of the summer, and that the peak number of deaths would come in the middle of April.
As time has passed, I’ve become more skeptical of their prediction. They are now at 28529 deaths, and the daily death count has risen to ~2500. At this rate they’d be at 60000 in 13 days. Even if the peak is now and their deathrates suddenly start declining by a third every week, they are going to be at 60000 within three weeks.
um… losing a third each week, it will be down to 0 after 3 weeks, which leaves it at 60000
Date: 11/04/2020 11:39:01
From: dv
ID: 1536542
Subject: re: Corona Virus April 5 – 11
ID: 1536542
Subject: re: Corona Virus April 5 – 11
Hey I ain’t no epidemiologist, and I’m very big on respecting the work of experts but the massively reduced ultimate death count estimate for the US (60000) has got me scratching my head.
As we speak, the daily death count for the US is still increasing. Yesterday it was 2043. The total is 18725. (If the daily death count stayed at that level, they’d reach 60000 within 20 days). In order for the ultimate total to end up at 60000, not only would the daily death count need to stop rising basically immediately, but it would need to drastically drop within a couple of weeks.
U.S. Coronavirus Death Projection Reduced to 60,000 Based on Leading Data Model
The U.S. death toll from the new coronavirus, COVID-19, is now projected to be 60,000, a significant drop from earlier projections.
Health officials had said in late March that their leading model, from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, estimated that 100,000 to 200,000 Americans would die by the end of the summer, and that the peak number of deaths would come in the middle of April.
As time has passed, I’ve become more skeptical of their prediction. They are now at 28529 deaths, and the daily death count has risen to ~2500. At this rate they’d be at 60000 in 13 days. Even if the peak is now and their deathrates suddenly start declining by a third every week, they are going to be at 60000 within three weeks.
um… losing a third each week, it will be down to 0 after 3 weeks, which leaves it at 60000
Corona virus.. pfft is that old thing still around?
Date: 11/04/2020 11:39:01
From: dv
ID: 1536542
Subject: re: Corona Virus April 5 – 11
ID: 1536542
Subject: re: Corona Virus April 5 – 11
Hey I ain’t no epidemiologist, and I’m very big on respecting the work of experts but the massively reduced ultimate death count estimate for the US (60000) has got me scratching my head.
As we speak, the daily death count for the US is still increasing. Yesterday it was 2043. The total is 18725. (If the daily death count stayed at that level, they’d reach 60000 within 20 days). In order for the ultimate total to end up at 60000, not only would the daily death count need to stop rising basically immediately, but it would need to drastically drop within a couple of weeks.
U.S. Coronavirus Death Projection Reduced to 60,000 Based on Leading Data Model
The U.S. death toll from the new coronavirus, COVID-19, is now projected to be 60,000, a significant drop from earlier projections.
Health officials had said in late March that their leading model, from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, estimated that 100,000 to 200,000 Americans would die by the end of the summer, and that the peak number of deaths would come in the middle of April.
As time has passed, I’ve become more skeptical of their prediction. They are now at 28529 deaths, and the daily death count has risen to ~2500. At this rate they’d be at 60000 in 13 days. Even if the peak is now and their deathrates suddenly start declining by a third every week, they are going to be at 60000 within three weeks.
Date: 11/04/2020 11:39:01
From: dv
ID: 1536542
Subject: re: Corona Virus April 5 – 11
ID: 1536542
Subject: re: Corona Virus April 5 – 11
Hey I ain’t no epidemiologist, and I’m very big on respecting the work of experts but the massively reduced ultimate death count estimate for the US (60000) has got me scratching my head.
As we speak, the daily death count for the US is still increasing. Yesterday it was 2043. The total is 18725. (If the daily death count stayed at that level, they’d reach 60000 within 20 days). In order for the ultimate total to end up at 60000, not only would the daily death count need to stop rising basically immediately, but it would need to drastically drop within a couple of weeks.
U.S. Coronavirus Death Projection Reduced to 60,000 Based on Leading Data Model
The U.S. death toll from the new coronavirus, COVID-19, is now projected to be 60,000, a significant drop from earlier projections.
Health officials had said in late March that their leading model, from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, estimated that 100,000 to 200,000 Americans would die by the end of the summer, and that the peak number of deaths would come in the middle of April.
As time has passed, I’ve become more skeptical of their prediction. They are now at 28529 deaths, and the daily death count has risen to ~2500. At this rate they’d be at 60000 in 13 days. Even if the peak is now and their deathrates suddenly start declining by a third every week, they are going to be at 60000 within three weeks.
um… losing a third each week, it will be down to 0 after 3 weeks, which leaves it at 60000
Bicycle sales have jumped 50% in Australia over the last couple of weeks.
That can only be a good thing.
Yeah, I got one of them. It was the last of that model left in the shop. There were very few others left.
We were having this little family joke that they’ll all end up getting chucked out and dumped at the tip in the next few years, so much so that future archaeologists will date rubbish tips to the 2020s by identifying the “bicycle layer”.
Same with HIV when that first emerged. It was a CIA plot to rid the world of them filthy homosexuals. And it backfired when it got into the general community.
Bicycle sales have jumped 50% in Australia over the last couple of weeks.
That can only be a good thing.
Especially when it’s all over. Cheap bicycles aplenty…
That’s already the case. A few hundred bucks will buy a really good second-hand bike. A couple of grand will buy an international-level competition bike.
Bicycle sales have jumped 50% in Australia over the last couple of weeks.
That can only be a good thing.
Yeah, I got one of them. It was the last of that model left in the shop. There were very few others left.
We were having this little family joke that they’ll all end up getting chucked out and dumped at the tip in the next few years, so much so that future archaeologists will date rubbish tips to the 2020s by identifying the “bicycle layer”.
Bicycle sales have jumped 50% in Australia over the last couple of weeks.
That can only be a good thing.
Especially when it’s all over. Cheap bicycles aplenty…
That’s already the case. A few hundred bucks will buy a really good second-hand bike. A couple of grand will buy an international-level competition bike.
Who spends that kind of money on a push bike, seriously?
Same with HIV when that first emerged. It was a CIA plot to rid the world of them filthy homosexuals. And it backfired when it got into the general community.
And what about that US Pastor and his COVID-19 thing – god’s punishment for homosexuals. Uh-oh. He died from COVID-19. Hell of a way to come out…
Same with HIV when that first emerged. It was a CIA plot to rid the world of them filthy homosexuals. And it backfired when it got into the general community.
The gay disease stuff was just subterfuge. It was all about killing African children.
Especially when it’s all over. Cheap bicycles aplenty…
That’s already the case. A few hundred bucks will buy a really good second-hand bike. A couple of grand will buy an international-level competition bike.
Who spends that kind of money on a push bike, seriously?
That’s already the case. A few hundred bucks will buy a really good second-hand bike. A couple of grand will buy an international-level competition bike.
Who spends that kind of money on a push bike, seriously?
Quite a few people.
once they have the lycra, there’s no stopping them
Especially when it’s all over. Cheap bicycles aplenty…
That’s already the case. A few hundred bucks will buy a really good second-hand bike. A couple of grand will buy an international-level competition bike.
Who spends that kind of money on a push bike, seriously?
Lotsa people. I ride regularly along the bicycle paths. There people whose lycra cycling shirts are probably worth more than my bike. They fairly zip along on their modern contraptions I can tell you.
Bicycle sales have jumped 50% in Australia over the last couple of weeks.
That can only be a good thing.
Especially when it’s all over. Cheap bicycles aplenty…
That’s already the case. A few hundred bucks will buy a really good second-hand bike. A couple of grand will buy an international-level competition bike.
Waste a money. Just to go riding somewhere, just so you can turn around and come back. So why go there in the first place?
Especially when it’s all over. Cheap bicycles aplenty…
That’s already the case. A few hundred bucks will buy a really good second-hand bike. A couple of grand will buy an international-level competition bike.
Who spends that kind of money on a push bike, seriously?
That’s already the case. A few hundred bucks will buy a really good second-hand bike. A couple of grand will buy an international-level competition bike.
Who spends that kind of money on a push bike, seriously?
Especially when it’s all over. Cheap bicycles aplenty…
That’s already the case. A few hundred bucks will buy a really good second-hand bike. A couple of grand will buy an international-level competition bike.
Who spends that kind of money on a push bike, seriously?
When a major service (no repairs, just a service) on a car costs a thousand bucks, bikes start to look pretty good.
I rode a bike exclusively from when I was 23-29, and saved enough on car expenses to put deposits on three houses.
Especially when it’s all over. Cheap bicycles aplenty…
That’s already the case. A few hundred bucks will buy a really good second-hand bike. A couple of grand will buy an international-level competition bike.
Who spends that kind of money on a push bike, seriously?
Exactly. Them rent-a-bike mobs had them layin’ around all over the ground there for ages.
That’s already the case. A few hundred bucks will buy a really good second-hand bike. A couple of grand will buy an international-level competition bike.
Who spends that kind of money on a push bike, seriously?
When a major service (no repairs, just a service) on a car costs a thousand bucks, bikes start to look pretty good.
I rode a bike exclusively from when I was 23-29, and saved enough on car expenses to put deposits on three houses.
But you know you can get a bike a lot less than that…
it’s “social SCIENCE” so we’re not calling it a slam dunk solid finding, it certainly doesn’t look red and violet on its results, and we haven’t carefully read every word but it does suggest interpersonal emotion management as a particular strength of female leaders in times of crisis
it also suggests that the benefit is mainly when outcomes are predictable — we’ll leave the audience to decide whether or not the effects of {(1) an infectious, moderately lethal viral pandemic, and (2) an order to shut borders and businesses} are predictable or uncertain
That’s already the case. A few hundred bucks will buy a really good second-hand bike. A couple of grand will buy an international-level competition bike.
Who spends that kind of money on a push bike, seriously?
Exactly. Them rent-a-bike mobs had them layin’ around all over the ground there for ages.
Oh, there are whole yards of unclaimed rental bikes in some places. It was too expensive for the companies to round up all the stray bikes. So the city authorities gathered them up and impounded them pending a fine. It was cheaper for the hire companies to just buy new bikes and treat them as consumables. Result:
Who spends that kind of money on a push bike, seriously?
When a major service (no repairs, just a service) on a car costs a thousand bucks, bikes start to look pretty good.
I rode a bike exclusively from when I was 23-29, and saved enough on car expenses to put deposits on three houses.
But you know you can get a bike a lot less than that…
There is a big difference between a $20 bike and a $200 bike.
There’s a small difference between a $200 bike and a $2,000 bike.
There’s almost no difference between a $2,000 bike and a $20,000 bike.
As a member of the forum, I know you’re a talented and highly experienced driver – How would you describe the difference between a Toyota Corolla and a Porsche 911?
Trump says he will ‘authorize’ governors to reopen their states from coronavirus lockdowns, but they already have that authority
On Tuesday, President Donald Trump said he would be “authorizing” governors of all 50 states to make decisions when it comes to lifting coronavirus restrictions. But according to the Constitution, it is already within a state government’s power to regulate behavior during public health crises.Trump’s statements on Tuesday may have been an attempt to walk back comments made the day prior, where he claimed that “when somebody is the president of the United States,” their “authority is total.”
Who spends that kind of money on a push bike, seriously?
Exactly. Them rent-a-bike mobs had them layin’ around all over the ground there for ages.
Oh, there are whole yards of unclaimed rental bikes in some places. It was too expensive for the companies to round up all the stray bikes. So the city authorities gathered them up and impounded them pending a fine. It was cheaper for the hire companies to just buy new bikes and treat them as consumables. Result:
When a major service (no repairs, just a service) on a car costs a thousand bucks, bikes start to look pretty good.
I rode a bike exclusively from when I was 23-29, and saved enough on car expenses to put deposits on three houses.
But you know you can get a bike a lot less than that…
There is a big difference between a $20 bike and a $200 bike.
There’s a small difference between a $200 bike and a $2,000 bike.
There’s almost no difference between a $2,000 bike and a $20,000 bike.
As a member of the forum, I know you’re a talented and highly experienced driver – How would you describe the difference between a Toyota Corolla and a Porsche 911?
There was a time I used to go to the servo and hire a lawn mower at 25 bucks a pop. Eventually I purchased a cheap as chips model and it has paid for itself many times over. It doesn’t have to be expensive to be good value…
Trump’s Entire Coronavirus Response Is Massive Political Corruption
When Congress enacted an emergency plan to send $1,200 checks to every American adult, Republicans joked that President Trump would want to sign his name on the checks. A few weeks later, after the Wall Street Journal reported that Trump was exploring this outlandish desire, a reporter asked, “Is that right? Do you want to sign those checks?” Trump denied it: “No. Me sign? No.”
Last night, the Washington Post reported that Trump’s name will be displayed on every check. A measure passed by both parties to alleviate an economic emergency has been expropriated by his reelection campaign.
But you know you can get a bike a lot less than that…
There is a big difference between a $20 bike and a $200 bike.
There’s a small difference between a $200 bike and a $2,000 bike.
There’s almost no difference between a $2,000 bike and a $20,000 bike.
As a member of the forum, I know you’re a talented and highly experienced driver – How would you describe the difference between a Toyota Corolla and a Porsche 911?
There was a time I used to go to the servo and hire a lawn mower at 25 bucks a pop. Eventually I purchased a cheap as chips model and it has paid for itself many times over. It doesn’t have to be expensive to be good value…
If you are into long distance riding – 2 or 3 hours in the saddle – a good bike is so much better than a cheap one. So much less effort.
If your intention is just to burn calories and get some exercise, it doesn’t matter of you ride slowly on a cheap bike or fast on an expensive bike.
There is a big difference between a $20 bike and a $200 bike.
There’s a small difference between a $200 bike and a $2,000 bike.
There’s almost no difference between a $2,000 bike and a $20,000 bike.
As a member of the forum, I know you’re a talented and highly experienced driver – How would you describe the difference between a Toyota Corolla and a Porsche 911?
There was a time I used to go to the servo and hire a lawn mower at 25 bucks a pop. Eventually I purchased a cheap as chips model and it has paid for itself many times over. It doesn’t have to be expensive to be good value…
If you are into long distance riding – 2 or 3 hours in the saddle – a good bike is so much better than a cheap one. So much less effort.
If your intention is just to burn calories and get some exercise, it doesn’t matter of you ride slowly on a cheap bike or fast on an expensive bike.
That is what I wonder, why buy something to make your exercise easier? Isn’t it better to have something that makes it harder if your intention is a work out?
But you know you can get a bike a lot less than that…
There is a big difference between a $20 bike and a $200 bike.
There’s a small difference between a $200 bike and a $2,000 bike.
There’s almost no difference between a $2,000 bike and a $20,000 bike.
As a member of the forum, I know you’re a talented and highly experienced driver – How would you describe the difference between a Toyota Corolla and a Porsche 911?
There was a time I used to go to the servo and hire a lawn mower at 25 bucks a pop. Eventually I purchased a cheap as chips model and it has paid for itself many times over. It doesn’t have to be expensive to be good value…
I feel like we’re talking about different things here, mate.
There is a big difference between a $20 bike and a $200 bike.
There’s a small difference between a $200 bike and a $2,000 bike.
There’s almost no difference between a $2,000 bike and a $20,000 bike.
As a member of the forum, I know you’re a talented and highly experienced driver – How would you describe the difference between a Toyota Corolla and a Porsche 911?
There was a time I used to go to the servo and hire a lawn mower at 25 bucks a pop. Eventually I purchased a cheap as chips model and it has paid for itself many times over. It doesn’t have to be expensive to be good value…
I feel like we’re talking about different things here, mate.
Yeah I’m pretty sure you can’t just ride a mower on the road
There was a time I used to go to the servo and hire a lawn mower at 25 bucks a pop. Eventually I purchased a cheap as chips model and it has paid for itself many times over. It doesn’t have to be expensive to be good value…
If you are into long distance riding – 2 or 3 hours in the saddle – a good bike is so much better than a cheap one. So much less effort.
If your intention is just to burn calories and get some exercise, it doesn’t matter of you ride slowly on a cheap bike or fast on an expensive bike.
That is what I wonder, why buy something to make your exercise easier? Isn’t it better to have something that makes it harder if your intention is a work out?
Not everybody is after just a workout. For some their cycling efforts go above and beyond what is required just for general fitness.
There is a big difference between a $20 bike and a $200 bike.
There’s a small difference between a $200 bike and a $2,000 bike.
There’s almost no difference between a $2,000 bike and a $20,000 bike.
As a member of the forum, I know you’re a talented and highly experienced driver – How would you describe the difference between a Toyota Corolla and a Porsche 911?
There was a time I used to go to the servo and hire a lawn mower at 25 bucks a pop. Eventually I purchased a cheap as chips model and it has paid for itself many times over. It doesn’t have to be expensive to be good value…
I feel like we’re talking about different things here, mate.
Summary: you don’t need to buy expensive things if cheaper things do the same job…
There was a time I used to go to the servo and hire a lawn mower at 25 bucks a pop. Eventually I purchased a cheap as chips model and it has paid for itself many times over. It doesn’t have to be expensive to be good value…
If you are into long distance riding – 2 or 3 hours in the saddle – a good bike is so much better than a cheap one. So much less effort.
If your intention is just to burn calories and get some exercise, it doesn’t matter of you ride slowly on a cheap bike or fast on an expensive bike.
That is what I wonder, why buy something to make your exercise easier? Isn’t it better to have something that makes it harder if your intention is a work out?
That ‘easier’ can include important stuff, like:
Cheaper to maintain
Less likely to break down
More comfortable
Easier to get parts for
Safer
Works better
Suitable for a wider range of riding
Most suitable for exactly the kind of riding you like
Fits in the car better
Is compatible with accessories/options you want
Is easy to repair yourself
Meets and individual need (some customisation that you need to ride)
Will continue to be compatible with a standard in the future
… and so on.
None of which have anything to do with the physical performance characteristics of the machine.
If you are into long distance riding – 2 or 3 hours in the saddle – a good bike is so much better than a cheap one. So much less effort.
If your intention is just to burn calories and get some exercise, it doesn’t matter of you ride slowly on a cheap bike or fast on an expensive bike.
That is what I wonder, why buy something to make your exercise easier? Isn’t it better to have something that makes it harder if your intention is a work out?
That ‘easier’ can include important stuff, like:
Cheaper to maintain
Less likely to break down
More comfortable
Easier to get parts for
Safer
Works better
Suitable for a wider range of riding
Most suitable for exactly the kind of riding you like
Fits in the car better
Is compatible with accessories/options you want
Is easy to repair yourself
Meets and individual need (some customisation that you need to ride)
Will continue to be compatible with a standard in the future
… and so on.
None of which have anything to do with the physical performance characteristics of the machine.
That just sounds like bike snobbishness. I have never been on a bike and thought, gee, I wish this was more expensive…
That is what I wonder, why buy something to make your exercise easier? Isn’t it better to have something that makes it harder if your intention is a work out?
That ‘easier’ can include important stuff, like:
Cheaper to maintain
Less likely to break down
More comfortable
Easier to get parts for
Safer
Works better
Suitable for a wider range of riding
Most suitable for exactly the kind of riding you like
Fits in the car better
Is compatible with accessories/options you want
Is easy to repair yourself
Meets and individual need (some customisation that you need to ride)
Will continue to be compatible with a standard in the future
… and so on.
None of which have anything to do with the physical performance characteristics of the machine.
That just sounds like bike snobbishness. I have never been on a bike and thought, gee, I wish this was more expensive…
Sorry if I made it sound that way. I was trying to list the things that would influence my bike-buying decisions, based on experiences I’ve had with bikes. I am not trying to convince you that more expensive bikes are better, but they probably are more likely to meet more of those needs.
Do you remember the situation with Bubblecar and his Lekker, for example? He bought an expensive bike that probably suited most of his needs, but failed hopelessly in a couple of the areas on that list, so now just sits in the shed rusting (I imagine).
Armed protesters demand an end to Michigan’s coronavirus lockdown orders – video
Thousands of protesters in cars and on foot have flouted Michigan’s stay-at-home orders to demand the state reopened. ‘It’s time for our state to be opened up’ said one protester in her car. ‘We’re tired of not being able to buy the things that we need, go to the hairdressers. It’s time to open up’. Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer was the main target of armed pro-Trump protesters, with some chanting ‘lock her up’ on the steps of Lansing’s town hall. Whitmer responded hours after the protest saying she understood the frustration but the ‘sad irony’ about the demonstration was that it could have further spread the virus and therefore created the need to extend Michigan’s stay-at-home order. So far, 1,900 Michigan residents have died due to the coronavirus
Do you remember the situation with Bubblecar and his Lekker, for example? He bought an expensive bike that probably suited most of his needs, but failed hopelessly in a couple of the areas on that list, so now just sits in the shed rusting (I imagine).
Yes, the interminable puncture. The cost of the bike had nothing to do with the lack of resolution…
Armed protesters demand an end to Michigan’s coronavirus lockdown orders – video
Thousands of protesters in cars and on foot have flouted Michigan’s stay-at-home orders to demand the state reopened. ‘It’s time for our state to be opened up’ said one protester in her car. ‘We’re tired of not being able to buy the things that we need, go to the hairdressers. It’s time to open up’. Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer was the main target of armed pro-Trump protesters, with some chanting ‘lock her up’ on the steps of Lansing’s town hall. Whitmer responded hours after the protest saying she understood the frustration but the ‘sad irony’ about the demonstration was that it could have further spread the virus and therefore created the need to extend Michigan’s stay-at-home order. So far, 1,900 Michigan residents have died due to the coronavirus
Armed protesters demand an end to Michigan’s coronavirus lockdown orders – video
Thousands of protesters in cars and on foot have flouted Michigan’s stay-at-home orders to demand the state reopened. ‘It’s time for our state to be opened up’ said one protester in her car. ‘We’re tired of not being able to buy the things that we need, go to the hairdressers. It’s time to open up’. Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer was the main target of armed pro-Trump protesters, with some chanting ‘lock her up’ on the steps of Lansing’s town hall. Whitmer responded hours after the protest saying she understood the frustration but the ‘sad irony’ about the demonstration was that it could have further spread the virus and therefore created the need to extend Michigan’s stay-at-home order. So far, 1,900 Michigan residents have died due to the coronavirus
Armed protesters demand an end to Michigan’s coronavirus lockdown orders – video
Thousands of protesters in cars and on foot have flouted Michigan’s stay-at-home orders to demand the state reopened. ‘It’s time for our state to be opened up’ said one protester in her car. ‘We’re tired of not being able to buy the things that we need, go to the hairdressers. It’s time to open up’. Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer was the main target of armed pro-Trump protesters, with some chanting ‘lock her up’ on the steps of Lansing’s town hall. Whitmer responded hours after the protest saying she understood the frustration but the ‘sad irony’ about the demonstration was that it could have further spread the virus and therefore created the need to extend Michigan’s stay-at-home order. So far, 1,900 Michigan residents have died due to the coronavirus
Armed protesters demand an end to Michigan’s coronavirus lockdown orders – video
Thousands of protesters in cars and on foot have flouted Michigan’s stay-at-home orders to demand the state reopened. ‘It’s time for our state to be opened up’ said one protester in her car. ‘We’re tired of not being able to buy the things that we need, go to the hairdressers. It’s time to open up’. Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer was the main target of armed pro-Trump protesters, with some chanting ‘lock her up’ on the steps of Lansing’s town hall. Whitmer responded hours after the protest saying she understood the frustration but the ‘sad irony’ about the demonstration was that it could have further spread the virus and therefore created the need to extend Michigan’s stay-at-home order. So far, 1,900 Michigan residents have died due to the coronavirus
An idiot friend of MrsRule’s is posting videos to Facebook from the domestic-violence-tat-collar end of the spectrum, claiming the whole thing is… (insert the usual range of idiot bullshit here)
Another bad day for the UK today. They’ve sailed through 100,000 cases. Their fatality rate is quite high, in proportion to the number of cases over 13%, and they’re not even counting the deaths in aged care homes. They seem a long way off the peak, the death rate and the new cases rate is holding steady but not going down yet.
OK. This piece on the ABC website is about the “Growth Factor” which the aim is to be below 1. Within it is an infographic, which indicates the Australian growth factor has been below 1 since the beginning of April. That’s before the present level of restrictions was imposed (I think we were still at level 2 then although my sense of time has never been particularly good).
When a major service (no repairs, just a service) on a car costs a thousand bucks, bikes start to look pretty good.
I rode a bike exclusively from when I was 23-29, and saved enough on car expenses to put deposits on three houses.
But you know you can get a bike a lot less than that…
There is a big difference between a $20 bike and a $200 bike.
There’s a small difference between a $200 bike and a $2,000 bike.
There’s almost no difference between a $2,000 bike and a $20,000 bike.
As a member of the forum, I know you’re a talented and highly experienced driver – How would you describe the difference between a Toyota Corolla and a Porsche 911?
I have a vague recollection of my brother spending multiple thousands on a pushbike some 15 or more years ago. I was not impressed. (Yes, lycra lad, now mamil)
SARS-CoV-2. You know it best as the virus causing the current COVID-19 pandemic.
SARS-CoV-2 is a coronavirus. These viruses get their name from their appearance under a microscope – a tiny fat bubble surrounded by a crown of spikes. Scientists are still trying to figure out the source of this deadly virus. Some people say it’s from bats, others say it’s from a pangolin. But if COVID-19 did indeed come from a bat, past evidence shows it may have gone through another animal and then to humans.
Comparative immunologist and leading bat researcher Dr Michelle Baker explains. SARS-CoV-2: a quick history lesson
Back in 2013, a horseshoe bat was caught in a trap in the Chinese province of Yunnan, about 2000 kilometers south-west of Wuhan. Scientists at the time swabbed its mouth and checked for viruses. It had a virus that had no one had seen before. It was a SARS-related coronavirus. Fortunately for scientists at the time, this new virus only infected bats. There was no evidence for human infection. The scientists named this new virus RaTG13 and left it at that.
But it’s now thought RaTG13, or another similar bat-based virus, had slightly changed its gene sequence. These minor genetic manipulations turned it from a bat-only disease to SARS-CoV-2, the one causing today’s pandemic.
Bats are central to past viral outbreaks
Bats have coexisted with viruses for a long time. These viruses are part of their microbiome and don’t cause any harm to the bats. But, they can cause adverse consequences to us if we come into contact with them.
If you cast your mind back to recent nasty viruses, almost all have a bat origin. For example, SARS, MERS, Nipah, and Hendra all came from bats.
But usually, bat viruses can’t transmit directly into humans (except for the Australian bat lyssavirus). This is because their original virus genes don’t bind as effectively with our cell’s receptors. So, there are a few missing links which allow this to happen. And that’s an intermediate host animal, and a unique set of circumstances which allow a bat to spill a virus into that intermediate host.
When two genetic mutations become one virus
Another host needs the right conditions (or cell receptors) for a bat virus to infect them.
“There is evidence of recombination between the coronaviruses,” Michelle said.
Recombination is when your DNA sequence is broken down into parts and rejoined in a different combination. This creates a new gene sequence. DNA recombination is not always bad. Humans do this during reproduction and pregnancy to allow for genetic diversity in the new embryo. But this recombination may change the virus’ signals.
“So, for example, if you have a couple of different coronaviruses which spilled over into an intermediate host, they can actually recombine. And that can increase their chances of spilling over into humans,” Michelle said.
Civet cats were the intermediate host in the 2002-2004 SARS epidemic.
The SARS example
Let’s look at one example. We know bats carry a diverse range of coronaviruses and they have a high rate of recombination. The recombination of two bat coronaviruses can result in a virus that has a higher chance of infecting another susceptible host. This is hypothesised to have been the case for the original SARS-CoV, with the resulting virus being capable of infecting civet cats and then humans.
Another example is it could have recombined with another coronavirus already there in that intermediate host. For this to occur, both viruses must be able to infect the intermediate host so recombination can happen.
We’re taking it back to coronaviruses. They have recently been identified in pangolins that share only a 90 per cent gene similarity with SARS-CoV-2. However, the region responsible for binding the ACE2 receptor which allows the virus to enter cells is 99 per cent similar to SARS-CoV-2.
In contrast, the virus identified in bats (RaTG13) is extremely different in the receptor binding region (with 77 per cent similarity). This suggests that the SARS-CoV-2 virus may be the result of a recombination between two viruses, one that is close to RaTG13 and another that is close to the pangolin virus. However, we still don’t know whether pangolins were involved in this spillover event or whether another intermediate host played a role.
The right conditions
When the bat virus spills over to another host, it becomes highly compatible with their receptors. So, it replicates to a much higher level. This increases its infectiousness. Because of this, it becomes much more likely to infect a third host – a human. But these transmissions can’t happen with what Michelle calls the “right conditions.”
“With SARS, the problem was that you had a live animal market where you had this melting pot of different species. SARS transferred from a bat into a civet cat and then into a human,” Michelle said.
“If we didn’t have those unique sets of circumstances, the virus wouldn’t have had the opportunity to spill over into another animal and then into a human.”
Dr Michelle Baker believes we should and could learn from this pandemic.
Limiting these interactions between wild animals
COVID-19 won’t be the end of these bat-to-animal-to-human viruses. If anything, they will only increase.
“There are a whole range of reasons why wild animals and humans are interacting more. It’s associated with increasing urbanisation, resulting in more interactions between humans and wildlife,” Michelle said.
“There could also be changes in climate, bats moving into urban areas to get food… it’s increasing the likelihood of virus spillover.”
But there’s no need to worry about bat to human transmission. Zoologist Dr David Wescott, who has spent 20 years researching flying foxes, said direct transmission was very rare and required intimate contact. That means handling or eating these animals, being bitten or being exposed to the disease through contact with another species that sheds high quantities of the disease. On top of that, direct exposure of the public to bats is extremely rare.
“Bats are very important members of our ecosystem, providing a broad range of services to humans. This includes consuming insect pests and dispersing pollen and seeds from trees to enable new growth,” David said.
“An effective approach to maintaining our distance from bats is to avoid all physical contact with them by not handling live or dead bats.
“Rather than ineffectually disturbing flying-fox camps, resources would be better directed towards identifying potential zoonotic diseases. This leads to the development of broad base vaccines and anti-virals to enable rapid responses.”
Michelle agrees. But she believes studying bat immune systems can give us these clues.
“I hope we can learn from this one,” she said.
CNN)Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have kept a low profile since leaving their senior royal roles and relocating to Los Angeles.
They’ve kept so quiet that they managed to sneak out and deliver meals to L.A. residents in need during the Covid-19 pandemic.
The couple volunteered through Project Angel Food, a Los Angeles nonprofit that prepares and delivers medically tailored meals to chronically ill people.
Donning N95 masks and gloves, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex dropped off a week’s worth of perishable meals and three weeks’ worth of shelf-stable foods to 20 of the charity’s clients last week, Project Angel Food CEO Richard Ayoub told CNN.
CNN)Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have kept a low profile since leaving their senior royal roles and relocating to Los Angeles.
They’ve kept so quiet that they managed to sneak out and deliver meals to L.A. residents in need during the Covid-19 pandemic.
The couple volunteered through Project Angel Food, a Los Angeles nonprofit that prepares and delivers medically tailored meals to chronically ill people.
Donning N95 masks and gloves, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex dropped off a week’s worth of perishable meals and three weeks’ worth of shelf-stable foods to 20 of the charity’s clients last week, Project Angel Food CEO Richard Ayoub told CNN.
CNN)Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have kept a low profile since leaving their senior royal roles and relocating to Los Angeles.
They’ve kept so quiet that they managed to sneak out and deliver meals to L.A. residents in need during the Covid-19 pandemic.
The couple volunteered through Project Angel Food, a Los Angeles nonprofit that prepares and delivers medically tailored meals to chronically ill people.
Donning N95 masks and gloves, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex dropped off a week’s worth of perishable meals and three weeks’ worth of shelf-stable foods to 20 of the charity’s clients last week, Project Angel Food CEO Richard Ayoub told CNN.
CNN)Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have kept a low profile since leaving their senior royal roles and relocating to Los Angeles.
They’ve kept so quiet that they managed to sneak out and deliver meals to L.A. residents in need during the Covid-19 pandemic.
The couple volunteered through Project Angel Food, a Los Angeles nonprofit that prepares and delivers medically tailored meals to chronically ill people.
Donning N95 masks and gloves, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex dropped off a week’s worth of perishable meals and three weeks’ worth of shelf-stable foods to 20 of the charity’s clients last week, Project Angel Food CEO Richard Ayoub told CNN.
There was a second baby born with Covid 19. I wonder whether this will help with a new generation with natural immunity only for this virus where a lot of other illnesses in our past have been devastating in infants.
South Australia is waiting on advice from the Commonwealth on the safety of a batch of masks earmarked for use by frontline health staff treating coronavirus patients.
SA Health withdrew more than 600,000 of the N95 facemasks this week amid concerns over their performance when splashed with liquids.
They were first distributed across SA public hospitals on Saturday but were pulled after concerns were raised by staff and after an independent assessment was conducted.
Whether or not the masks which came from the national stockpile are used in the future will depend on advice from federal health officials.
“Taking extreme caution in terms of the welfare of our staff, we have removed these masks from all of the hospitals in the state, pending further advice and clarification from the commonwealth,” SA’s Deputy Chief Public Health Officer Mike Cusack said.
“These clearly are masks that are in use across the nation.”
Dr Cusack said South Australia still had sufficient protective equipment and would be in a position to produce its own in coming weeks with the establishment of a local manufacturing facility.
CNN)Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have kept a low profile since leaving their senior royal roles and relocating to Los Angeles.
They’ve kept so quiet that they managed to sneak out and deliver meals to L.A. residents in need during the Covid-19 pandemic.
The couple volunteered through Project Angel Food, a Los Angeles nonprofit that prepares and delivers medically tailored meals to chronically ill people.
Donning N95 masks and gloves, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex dropped off a week’s worth of perishable meals and three weeks’ worth of shelf-stable foods to 20 of the charity’s clients last week, Project Angel Food CEO Richard Ayoub told CNN.
There was a second baby born with Covid 19. I wonder whether this will help with a new generation with natural immunity only for this virus where a lot of other illnesses in our past have been devastating in infants.
A Florida man is under arrest for allegedly killing his wife and attempting to cover up the crime by using her cellphone to send text messages that appeared to come from her, telling family and friends that she was in quarantine after contracting the coronavirus, police said.
A Florida man is under arrest for allegedly killing his wife and attempting to cover up the crime by using her cellphone to send text messages that appeared to come from her, telling family and friends that she was in quarantine after contracting the coronavirus, police said.
A Florida man is under arrest for allegedly killing his wife and attempting to cover up the crime by using her cellphone to send text messages that appeared to come from her, telling family and friends that she was in quarantine after contracting the coronavirus, police said.
today is day 28 in quarantine for us… the gov says another month at least. The teachers aid down the street insists that we will be all back to school after the holidays (one more week) but old bad vibes guy next door, he has a theory that while he believes that the virus is real and natural it’s been the perfect opportunity for the gov to introduce the tracking app and now we will all be slaves to tracking. I tried to point out that if you have mobile phone… but he wouldn’t hear of it…
A Florida man is under arrest for allegedly killing his wife and attempting to cover up the crime by using her cellphone to send text messages that appeared to come from her, telling family and friends that she was in quarantine after contracting the coronavirus, police said.
Scott Morrison says an aged care worker in Tasmania’s north-west who tested positive for COVID-19 was not truthful with contract tracers about where they had been and who they had been with.
Her lives have been estimated to cost 60 person-days of essential work, but Scott Morrison was subsequently seen fondling his piece of coal at home, assuring fossil fuel executives that 1000000000 Australian lives lost had nothing to do with environmental policy and it was all just a hoax entirely of God’s making.
South Australia is waiting on advice from the Commonwealth on the safety of a batch of masks earmarked for use by frontline health staff treating coronavirus patients.
SA Health withdrew more than 600,000 of the N95 facemasks this week amid concerns over their performance when splashed with liquids.
They were first distributed across SA public hospitals on Saturday but were pulled after concerns were raised by staff and after an independent assessment was conducted.
Whether or not the masks which came from the national stockpile are used in the future will depend on advice from federal health officials.
“Taking extreme caution in terms of the welfare of our staff, we have removed these masks from all of the hospitals in the state, pending further advice and clarification from the commonwealth,” SA’s Deputy Chief Public Health Officer Mike Cusack said.
“These clearly are masks that are in use across the nation.”
Dr Cusack said South Australia still had sufficient protective equipment and would be in a position to produce its own in coming weeks with the establishment of a local manufacturing facility.
Kellyanne Conway: "This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that." pic.twitter.com/losQ3H4ZhW
He said the challenge is that coronaviruses have historically been hard to make safe vaccines for, partly because the virus infects the upper respiratory tract, which our immune system isn’t great at protecting.
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Luckily, that’s not the bit that’s relevant this time around!
Michigan Health Worker blasts “idiots” blocking roads in protest on stay-home orders.
The protest dubbed “Operation Gridlock “ was organised by the Michigan Conservative Coalition and Betsy Devos’s Mich8gan Freedom Fund. Plenty of MAGA hats and TRUMPUNITY signs.
https://youtu.be/1t-GzuZukQs
Michigan Health Worker blasts “idiots” blocking roads in protest on stay-home orders.
The protest dubbed “Operation Gridlock “ was organised by the Michigan Conservative Coalition and Betsy Devos’s Mich8gan Freedom Fund. Plenty of MAGA hats and TRUMPUNITY signs.
https://youtu.be/1t-GzuZukQs
Michigan Health Worker blasts “idiots” blocking roads in protest on stay-home orders.
The protest dubbed “Operation Gridlock “ was organised by the Michigan Conservative Coalition and Betsy Devos’s Mich8gan Freedom Fund. Plenty of MAGA hats and TRUMPUNITY signs.
https://youtu.be/1t-GzuZukQs
Michigan Health Worker blasts “idiots” blocking roads in protest on stay-home orders.
The protest dubbed “Operation Gridlock “ was organised by the Michigan Conservative Coalition and Betsy Devos’s Mich8gan Freedom Fund. Plenty of MAGA hats and TRUMPUNITY signs.
https://youtu.be/1t-GzuZukQs
This is why I posted last night that ‘Michi-ganders’ seemed to make sense now.
Michigan Health Worker blasts “idiots” blocking roads in protest on stay-home orders.
The protest dubbed “Operation Gridlock “ was organised by the Michigan Conservative Coalition and Betsy Devos’s Mich8gan Freedom Fund. Plenty of MAGA hats and TRUMPUNITY signs.
https://youtu.be/1t-GzuZukQs
This is why I posted last night that ‘Michi-ganders’ seemed to make sense now.
Michigan Health Worker blasts “idiots” blocking roads in protest on stay-home orders.
The protest dubbed “Operation Gridlock “ was organised by the Michigan Conservative Coalition and Betsy Devos’s Mich8gan Freedom Fund. Plenty of MAGA hats and TRUMPUNITY signs.
https://youtu.be/1t-GzuZukQs
This is why I posted last night that ‘Michi-ganders’ seemed to make sense now.
reckon they’ll march ¿
They blocked a hospital and staff went out and tried to plead with them to let ambulances through.
They blocked a hospital and staff went out and tried to plead with them to let ambulances through.
Similar thing happened with the Extinction Rebellion protesters in Brisbane last year.
Peak Warming Man compares armed right wing extremists, in the middle of a pandemic with thousands dead, and going against public health warnings and blocking a hospital to whatever pathetic shit ER did last year in Brisbane.
Spain has reported another rise in its coronavirus death toll but figures from the region of Catalonia indicated the real total so far could be several thousand more.
Spain has reported another rise in its coronavirus death toll but figures from the region of Catalonia indicated the real total so far could be several thousand more.
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liars everywhere it seems
Or could it be there are people that are deceased in their homes that are still being discovered especially those living alone in Spain.
>>The app uses Bluetooth technology to track coronavirus victims and the people they come in contact with.
The government’s given us some more detail, confirming data collected from the app would be uploaded to a server in the event someone tests positive to COVID-19.
This is significant, because some experts argue if the data is stored on a server it would attract privacy threats from hackers, and would also act as a disincentive for people to sign-up to the app.
The government believes it needs at least 40 per cent of Australians to opt-in in order for the app to be effective.
The minister responsible, Stuart Robert, has told Channel 7 the information gathered will be transferred to a database, if the person who tests positive to COVID-19 agrees.
“If you tested positive, the authorities would ask you to consent and that will be uploaded to a secure server,” he said.
“That’s it, no one is tracking you, there is no surveillance.”<<
The government tracing app. Does this convince you?
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-17/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-news/12155268
Spain has reported another rise in its coronavirus death toll but figures from the region of Catalonia indicated the real total so far could be several thousand more.
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liars everywhere it seems
Or could it be there are people that are deceased in their homes that are still being discovered especially those living alone in Spain.
agree, we anticipate that countries will revise their preliminary death counts as more information comes to light, as the dust settles, and accept that initial figures may not be the absolute reliable ones it would be convenient to have
I went there, then to the strategy page, I nearly went over the cliff of we confusion, in fact we and you nearly converged, to the extent I may not have been irretrievable had I continued
I went there, then to the strategy page, I nearly went over the cliff of we confusion, in fact we and you nearly converged, to the extent I may not have been ir retrievable had I continued
How about, I just post here when I’m home and the govt can check my posts?
I only went out today to do grocery shopping for Mum. Contactless, I left her stuff at the door. Didn’t even go for a walk today, I was napping while the other two went out. Pinky promise.
1700 on Monday, 3400 on Wednesday or Thursday, 7-8000 by next weekend. True number by then 70-80,000 possibly. Primary school maths. Someone should go figure. No magic fairy will bring that down. 14-20 days behind Italy. Believe in maths not magic. https://t.co/wDysEg13CW
— Norman Swan (@normanswan) March 21, 2020
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1700 on Monday, 3400 on Wednesday or Thursday, 7-8000 by next weekend. True number by then 70-80,000 possibly. Primary school maths. Someone should go figure. No magic fairy will bring that down. 14-20 days behind Italy. Believe in maths not magic. https://t.co/wDysEg13CW
— Norman Swan (@normanswan) March 21, 2020
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1700 on Monday, 3400 on Wednesday or Thursday, 7-8000 by next weekend. True number by then 70-80,000 possibly. Primary school maths. Someone should go figure. No magic fairy will bring that down. 14-20 days behind Italy. Believe in maths not magic. https://t.co/wDysEg13CW
— Norman Swan (@normanswan) March 21, 2020
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Dear oh dear.
Magic 1
Norman Swan’s maths 0
I do not understand any of that.
modelling from a month ago and thus worthless. by the look.
1700 on Monday, 3400 on Wednesday or Thursday, 7-8000 by next weekend. True number by then 70-80,000 possibly. Primary school maths. Someone should go figure. No magic fairy will bring that down. 14-20 days behind Italy. Believe in maths not magic. https://t.co/wDysEg13CW
— Norman Swan (@normanswan) March 21, 2020
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>>US President Donald Trump tells protestors to ‘liberate’ three Democratic-run states with stay-at-home orders.<<
Oh the second amendment rears its ugly head yet again.
Absolutely 100% guaranteed to provoke some kind of knee-jerk reaction.
Tell ‘em that ‘they’re tryin’ to take your guns away!’, and they won’t stop to ask ‘WTF? what does a virus have to do with guns?’, they just be swarming the streets, smashing and looting.
>>US President Donald Trump tells protestors to ‘liberate’ three Democratic-run states with stay-at-home orders.<<
Oh the second amendment rears its ugly head yet again.
Absolutely 100% guaranteed to provoke some kind of knee-jerk reaction.
Tell ‘em that ‘they’re tryin’ to take your guns away!’, and they won’t stop to ask ‘WTF? what does a virus have to do with guns?’, they just be swarming the streets, smashing and looting.
President encourages riots on the streets during a pandemic.
Surely it’s time for the CIA to remove this toxic anti-American agent.
Of much more importance, to me anyway.
The infection was discovered in a worker from a pathology lab one floor up from where I get my chemo.
A Cairns pathology laboratory will be closed for up to 48 hours while it undergoes a deep clean after an employee tested positive to COVID-19.
Key points:
Other workers at the lab have gone into quarantine
Lab staff will be sent from Brisbane to cover the gap
Six people have tested positive to COVID-19 overnight
Queensland Health Minister Steven Miles said the staff member — one of six new cases diagnosed across the state overnight — was linked to another confirmed case.
“However, they are now in isolation and the staff in the service who would have been in contact are now in quarantine,” he said.
President encourages riots on the streets during a pandemic.
Surely it’s time for the CIA to remove this toxic anti-American agent.
Of much more importance, to me anyway.
The infection was discovered in a worker from a pathology lab one floor up from where I get my chemo.
A Cairns pathology laboratory will be closed for up to 48 hours while it undergoes a deep clean after an employee tested positive to COVID-19.
Key points:
Other workers at the lab have gone into quarantine
Lab staff will be sent from Brisbane to cover the gap
Six people have tested positive to COVID-19 overnight
Queensland Health Minister Steven Miles said the staff member — one of six new cases diagnosed across the state overnight — was linked to another confirmed case.
“However, they are now in isolation and the staff in the service who would have been in contact are now in quarantine,” he said.
President encourages riots on the streets during a pandemic.
Surely it’s time for the CIA to remove this toxic anti-American agent.
Of much more importance, to me anyway.
The infection was discovered in a worker from a pathology lab one floor up from where I get my chemo.
A Cairns pathology laboratory will be closed for up to 48 hours while it undergoes a deep clean after an employee tested positive to COVID-19.
Key points:
Other workers at the lab have gone into quarantine
Lab staff will be sent from Brisbane to cover the gap
Six people have tested positive to COVID-19 overnight
Queensland Health Minister Steven Miles said the staff member — one of six new cases diagnosed across the state overnight — was linked to another confirmed case.
“However, they are now in isolation and the staff in the service who would have been in contact are now in quarantine,” he said.
President encourages riots on the streets during a pandemic.
Surely it’s time for the CIA to remove this toxic anti-American agent.
Of much more importance, to me anyway.
The infection was discovered in a worker from a pathology lab one floor up from where I get my chemo.
A Cairns pathology laboratory will be closed for up to 48 hours while it undergoes a deep clean after an employee tested positive to COVID-19.
Key points:
Other workers at the lab have gone into quarantine
Lab staff will be sent from Brisbane to cover the gap
Six people have tested positive to COVID-19 overnight
Queensland Health Minister Steven Miles said the staff member — one of six new cases diagnosed across the state overnight — was linked to another confirmed case.
“However, they are now in isolation and the staff in the service who would have been in contact are now in quarantine,” he said.
“The lab is winding down for a deep clean.”
Oooh. Your chemo clinic still functioning?
Looks like it but they are not open on weekends.
Don’t know what will happen on Monday.
I’m staying across the road from where it happened & the lights were on all night. Deep cleaning I assume.
Of much more importance, to me anyway.
The infection was discovered in a worker from a pathology lab one floor up from where I get my chemo.
A Cairns pathology laboratory will be closed for up to 48 hours while it undergoes a deep clean after an employee tested positive to COVID-19.
Key points:
Other workers at the lab have gone into quarantine
Lab staff will be sent from Brisbane to cover the gap
Six people have tested positive to COVID-19 overnight
Queensland Health Minister Steven Miles said the staff member — one of six new cases diagnosed across the state overnight — was linked to another confirmed case.
“However, they are now in isolation and the staff in the service who would have been in contact are now in quarantine,” he said.
“The lab is winding down for a deep clean.”
Oooh. Your chemo clinic still functioning?
Looks like it but they are not open on weekends.
Don’t know what will happen on Monday.
I’m staying across the road from where it happened & the lights were on all night. Deep cleaning I assume.
President encourages riots on the streets during a pandemic.
Surely it’s time for the CIA to remove this toxic anti-American agent.
Of much more importance, to me anyway.
The infection was discovered in a worker from a pathology lab one floor up from where I get my chemo.
A Cairns pathology laboratory will be closed for up to 48 hours while it undergoes a deep clean after an employee tested positive to COVID-19.
Key points:
Other workers at the lab have gone into quarantine
Lab staff will be sent from Brisbane to cover the gap
Six people have tested positive to COVID-19 overnight
Queensland Health Minister Steven Miles said the staff member — one of six new cases diagnosed across the state overnight — was linked to another confirmed case.
“However, they are now in isolation and the staff in the service who would have been in contact are now in quarantine,” he said.
“The lab is winding down for a deep clean.”
Jesus. Do you have an alternative?
By Monday there may be some alternative plan. ATM they are still cleaning. It’s a bit of a worry.
Looks like it but they are not open on weekends.
Don’t know what will happen on Monday.
I’m staying across the road from where it happened & the lights were on all night. Deep cleaning I assume.
Let’s hope they don’t miss any spots.
I think their paranoia levels will be high enough to ensure nothing will be missed.
Looks like it but they are not open on weekends.
Don’t know what will happen on Monday.
I’m staying across the road from where it happened & the lights were on all night. Deep cleaning I assume.
Let’s hope they don’t miss any spots.
I think their paranoia levels will be high enough to ensure nothing will be missed.
:)
Are there any people (cleaners etc) who would have moved between the upper floor and your floor during this time?
Pathology people don’t work for Queensland Health. They work for Health Services Queensland.
They like to point that out whenever they have the chance. The usual implication is that they’re rather ‘better’ than the QH hoi-polloi.
The risk and the disruption is something to not wish on anyone, but it must have been a reality-check for them to discover that they can get the bugs just like us peasants.
Some nurses will have taken test samples from the ground & 1st floors to the lab.
Well I assume adequate safety measures will be observed.
Now, yes. Before discovery, maybe not.
In our IGA now there are glass screens between the checkout operators and the public. Once you’ve unloaded your trolley and go to return it to the stack, you’re interrupted by a worker with cleaning materials who says “I’ll deal with that now.”
President encourages riots on the streets during a pandemic.
Surely it’s time for the CIA to remove this toxic anti-American agent.
Of much more importance, to me anyway.
The infection was discovered in a worker from a pathology lab one floor up from where I get my chemo.
A Cairns pathology laboratory will be closed for up to 48 hours while it undergoes a deep clean after an employee tested positive to COVID-19.
Key points:
Other workers at the lab have gone into quarantine
Lab staff will be sent from Brisbane to cover the gap
Six people have tested positive to COVID-19 overnight
Queensland Health Minister Steven Miles said the staff member — one of six new cases diagnosed across the state overnight — was linked to another confirmed case.
“However, they are now in isolation and the staff in the service who would have been in contact are now in quarantine,” he said.
President encourages riots on the streets during a pandemic.
Surely it’s time for the CIA to remove this toxic anti-American agent.
Of much more importance, to me anyway.
The infection was discovered in a worker from a pathology lab one floor up from where I get my chemo.
A Cairns pathology laboratory will be closed for up to 48 hours while it undergoes a deep clean after an employee tested positive to COVID-19.
Key points:
Other workers at the lab have gone into quarantine
Lab staff will be sent from Brisbane to cover the gap
Six people have tested positive to COVID-19 overnight
Queensland Health Minister Steven Miles said the staff member — one of six new cases diagnosed across the state overnight — was linked to another confirmed case.
“However, they are now in isolation and the staff in the service who would have been in contact are now in quarantine,” he said.
“The lab is winding down for a deep clean.”
Good to see they jumping right on it.
Their lights were on all night.
My room at Red Cross is straight across the road from D block where It’s all occurring & where I get treatment. It’s getting a bit close for comfort.
Of much more importance, to me anyway.
The infection was discovered in a worker from a pathology lab one floor up from where I get my chemo.
A Cairns pathology laboratory will be closed for up to 48 hours while it undergoes a deep clean after an employee tested positive to COVID-19.
Key points:
Other workers at the lab have gone into quarantine
Lab staff will be sent from Brisbane to cover the gap
Six people have tested positive to COVID-19 overnight
Queensland Health Minister Steven Miles said the staff member — one of six new cases diagnosed across the state overnight — was linked to another confirmed case.
“However, they are now in isolation and the staff in the service who would have been in contact are now in quarantine,” he said.
“The lab is winding down for a deep clean.”
Good to see they jumping right on it.
Their lights were on all night.
My room at Red Cross is straight across the road from D block where It’s all occurring & where I get treatment. It’s getting a bit close for comfort.
Their lights were on all night.
My room at Red Cross is straight across the road from D block where It’s all occurring & where I get treatment. It’s getting a bit close for comfort.
Even if DT does not get reelected, the next person is very unlikely to be any better. Different yes, better, no.
What a strange thing to say.
If Joe Biden becomes Prez,then in years to come, when people are asked to remember his presidency, most of them will immediately have a vision of ‘beige’.
However, even that will be a huge improvement on the narcissistic memory-deficient sociopathic attention-deficit disorder that characterises the current presidency.
Their lights were on all night.
My room at Red Cross is straight across the road from D block where It’s all occurring & where I get treatment. It’s getting a bit close for comfort.
The tweet clarifies comments from Mr Morrison yesterday, in which he said it was his “very strong preference” that Australians download the app voluntarily.
The Government’s app will be modelled off of one used in Singapore, where it has successfully allowed a second phase explosion of cases.
The tweet clarifies comments from Mr Morrison yesterday, in which he said it was his “very strong preference” that Australians download the app voluntarily.
The Government’s app will be modelled off of one used in Singapore, where it has successfully allowed a second phase explosion of cases.
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should work
So you think that an emergent AI created COVID-19 to prompt us to download tracking apps which will soon manipulate our minds to turn us into a compliant zombies to further the efforts of Jeff Bezos style mass consumption. Could happen I guess…
The tweet clarifies comments from Mr Morrison yesterday, in which he said it was his “very strong preference” that Australians download the app voluntarily.
The Government’s app will be modelled off of one used in Singapore, where it has successfully allowed a second phase explosion of cases.
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should work
So you think that an emergent AI created COVID-19 to prompt us to download tracking apps which will soon manipulate our minds to turn us into a compliant zombies to further the efforts of Jeff Bezos style mass consumption. Could happen I guess…
They’ve shot themselves in the foot. Far less flights now to distribute chemtrails.
The tweet clarifies comments from Mr Morrison yesterday, in which he said it was his “very strong preference” that Australians download the app voluntarily.
The Government’s app will be modelled off of one used in Singapore, where it has successfully allowed a second phase explosion of cases.
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should work
So you think that an emergent AI created COVID-19 to prompt us to download tracking apps which will soon manipulate our minds to turn us into a compliant zombies to further the efforts of Jeff Bezos style mass consumption. Could happen I guess…
this
and we were all so worried about Nuclear Armageddon on 1997-08-29 but what better way to Judge individual countries than watch them respond to a common cold
The tweet clarifies comments from Mr Morrison yesterday, in which he said it was his “very strong preference” that Australians download the app voluntarily.
The Government’s app will be modelled off of one used in Singapore, where it has successfully allowed a second phase explosion of cases.
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should work
So you think that an emergent AI created COVID-19 to prompt us to download tracking apps which will soon manipulate our minds to turn us into a compliant zombies to further the efforts of Jeff Bezos style mass consumption. Could happen I guess…
this
and we were all so worried about Nuclear Armageddon on 1997-08-29 but what better way to Judge individual countries than watch them respond to a common cold
No one would have believed, in the last few years of the 19th century…
So you think that an emergent AI created COVID-19 to prompt us to download tracking apps which will soon manipulate our minds to turn us into a compliant zombies to further the efforts of Jeff Bezos style mass consumption. Could happen I guess…
this
and we were all so worried about Nuclear Armageddon on 1997-08-29 but what better way to Judge individual countries than watch them respond to a common cold
No one would have believed, in the last few years of the 19th century…
well, it’s true, did we not find the future truths of physical science in the sixth place of decimals ¿
Yesterday 5,152 people across NSW were tested for COVID-19, which Mr Hazzard lauded as a “dramatic” increase compared to the 1,305 tests undertaken six days ago.
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see imagine being somewhere with this testing capacity but where cases increase by 10000/day, we’re telling you, linear growth looks like test saturation
Athletes serving out doping bans this year will be able to compete at the postponed Tokyo Olympics next year, the Athletics Integrity Unit has confirmed.
Last month, the International Olympic Committee and the Japanese Government agreed to postpone the Tokyo Games, due to start in July, to 2021 due to the coronavirus pandemic.
Athletics Integrity Unit chief Brett Clothier said stopping athletes whose bans expire this year from competing in 2021 would lead to legal complications.
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and there we go, aha, it was the doping athletes who had this conspiracy going all along to delay Olympics until they could compete, we knew it
Athletes serving out doping bans this year will be able to compete at the postponed Tokyo Olympics next year, the Athletics Integrity Unit has confirmed.
Last month, the International Olympic Committee and the Japanese Government agreed to postpone the Tokyo Games, due to start in July, to 2021 due to the coronavirus pandemic.
Athletics Integrity Unit chief Brett Clothier said stopping athletes whose bans expire this year from competing in 2021 would lead to legal complications.
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and there we go, aha, it was the doping athletes who had this conspiracy going all along to delay Olympics until they could compete, we knew it
Athletes serving out doping bans this year will be able to compete at the postponed Tokyo Olympics next year, the Athletics Integrity Unit has confirmed.
Last month, the International Olympic Committee and the Japanese Government agreed to postpone the Tokyo Games, due to start in July, to 2021 due to the coronavirus pandemic.
Athletics Integrity Unit chief Brett Clothier said stopping athletes whose bans expire this year from competing in 2021 would lead to legal complications.
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and there we go, aha, it was the doping athletes who had this conspiracy going all along to delay Olympics until they could compete, we knew it
As long as that dick Sun Yang is still banned…
that’s different, we were talking about doping athletes, not glass breaking athletes
Seems as though the nursing home accounting problem is very wide spread.
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April 17, 2020
Updated 10:07 p.m. ET
The first warning of the devastation that the coronavirus could wreak inside American nursing homes came in late February, when residents of a facility in suburban Seattleperished, one by one, as families waited helplessly outside.
In the ensuing six weeks, large and shockingly lethal outbreaks have continued to ravage nursing homes across the nation, undeterred by urgent new safety requirements. Now a nationwide tally by The New York Times has found the number of people living in or connected to nursing homes who have died of the coronavirus to be at least 7,000, far higher than previously known.
Seems as though the nursing home accounting problem is very wide spread.
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April 17, 2020
Updated 10:07 p.m. ET
The first warning of the devastation that the coronavirus could wreak inside American nursing homes came in late February, when residents of a facility in suburban Seattleperished, one by one, as families waited helplessly outside.
In the ensuing six weeks, large and shockingly lethal outbreaks have continued to ravage nursing homes across the nation, undeterred by urgent new safety requirements. Now a nationwide tally by The New York Times has found the number of people living in or connected to nursing homes who have died of the coronavirus to be at least 7,000, far higher than previously known.
The first warning of the devastation that the coronavirus could wreak inside American nursing homes came in late February, when residents of a facility in suburban Seattleperished, one by one, as families waited helplessly outside.
In the ensuing six weeks, large and shockingly lethal outbreaks have continued to ravage nursing homes across the nation, undeterred by urgent new safety requirements. Now a nationwide tally by The New York Times has found the number of people living in or connected to nursing homes who have died of the coronavirus to be at least 7,000, far higher than previously known.
Seems as though the nursing home accounting problem is very wide spread.
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April 17, 2020
Updated 10:07 p.m. ET
The first warning of the devastation that the coronavirus could wreak inside American nursing homes came in late February, when residents of a facility in suburban Seattleperished, one by one, as families waited helplessly outside.
In the ensuing six weeks, large and shockingly lethal outbreaks have continued to ravage nursing homes across the nation, undeterred by urgent new safety requirements. Now a nationwide tally by The New York Times has found the number of people living in or connected to nursing homes who have died of the coronavirus to be at least 7,000, far higher than previously known.
Seems as though the nursing home accounting problem is very wide spread.
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April 17, 2020
Updated 10:07 p.m. ET
The first warning of the devastation that the coronavirus could wreak inside American nursing homes came in late February, when residents of a facility in suburban Seattleperished, one by one, as families waited helplessly outside.
In the ensuing six weeks, large and shockingly lethal outbreaks have continued to ravage nursing homes across the nation, undeterred by urgent new safety requirements. Now a nationwide tally by The New York Times has found the number of people living in or connected to nursing homes who have died of the coronavirus to be at least 7,000, far higher than previously known.
Seems as though the nursing home accounting problem is very wide spread.
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April 17, 2020
Updated 10:07 p.m. ET
The first warning of the devastation that the coronavirus could wreak inside American nursing homes came in late February, when residents of a facility in suburban Seattleperished, one by one, as families waited helplessly outside.
In the ensuing six weeks, large and shockingly lethal outbreaks have continued to ravage nursing homes across the nation, undeterred by urgent new safety requirements. Now a nationwide tally by The New York Times has found the number of people living in or connected to nursing homes who have died of the coronavirus to be at least 7,000, far higher than previously known.
I am still checking the per 1 million stuff there every few days. Australia and NZ are really different from the rest of the world, apparently. Except that our cities are more spread, not as crowded, I can’t really think of any other reason we are so low on deaths per million population.
Seems as though the nursing home accounting problem is very wide spread.
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April 17, 2020
Updated 10:07 p.m. ET
The first warning of the devastation that the coronavirus could wreak inside American nursing homes came in late February, when residents of a facility in suburban Seattleperished, one by one, as families waited helplessly outside.
In the ensuing six weeks, large and shockingly lethal outbreaks have continued to ravage nursing homes across the nation, undeterred by urgent new safety requirements. Now a nationwide tally by The New York Times has found the number of people living in or connected to nursing homes who have died of the coronavirus to be at least 7,000, far higher than previously known.
I am still checking the per 1 million stuff there every few days. Australia and NZ are really different from the rest of the world, apparently. Except that our cities are more spread, not as crowded, I can’t really think of any other reason we are so low on deaths per million population.
I am still checking the per 1 million stuff there every few days. Australia and NZ are really different from the rest of the world, apparently. Except that our cities are more spread, not as crowded, I can’t really think of any other reason we are so low on deaths per million population.
Japan, Singapore, S Korea are all at similar levels.
I am still checking the per 1 million stuff there every few days. Australia and NZ are really different from the rest of the world, apparently. Except that our cities are more spread, not as crowded, I can’t really think of any other reason we are so low on deaths per million population.
agree
American and Canadian cities can be pretty sprawling as well
I am still checking the per 1 million stuff there every few days. Australia and NZ are really different from the rest of the world, apparently. Except that our cities are more spread, not as crowded, I can’t really think of any other reason we are so low on deaths per million population.
Japan, Singapore, S Korea are all at similar levels.
yeah but they shut down hard, and have you looked at SG lately
There was something on ‘Planet America’ about how lifetime exposure to air pollution makes COVID-19 more deadly. Could explain why African Americans, who mostly live in the inner cities, have disproportionate death rates.
I am still checking the per 1 million stuff there every few days. Australia and NZ are really different from the rest of the world, apparently. Except that our cities are more spread, not as crowded, I can’t really think of any other reason we are so low on deaths per million population.
Japan, Singapore, S Korea are all at similar levels.
yeah but they shut down hard, and have you looked at SG lately
Several methods are effective at killing the new coronavirus on N95 masks — primary protective gear for health care workers — for two or three rounds of use.
With no vaccine or medication to cope with the novel coronavirus, people around the world have sought—or been ordered to seek—protection by changing the way they act in ways large and small, from their washing hands more frequently to avoiding almost all physical contact. Now, government and industry leaders are turning to behavioral scientists for advice on how to persuade their citizens and workers to abide by such dramatic changes.
we also note that the article is ancient history as far as the virus is concerned, it states
“While Singapore is adding in some community mitigation measures, they’ve been able to successfully keep levels of infection under control for months, and they’re still only seeing one to two hundred infections a day, which is far fewer than we are.”
but Leash your Lions
two additional thoughts
(1) there’s some hope for them in sight there, the final day was lower than the previous
(2) every time people talk about “still only X number” it’s one of those “so… you really don’t have a handle on this exponential* growth thing do you” moments
*: even allowing for that we don’t believe it is truly exponential
Eh Singapore has one of the biggest wealth disparities on the globe.
apologies, we were making the more general observation of correlation between commoners and peoples
I still have no idea what you’re getting at… :-/
communism (n): property is owned by the community
democracy (n): government by the whole population
propaganda (n): lies to pretend they are fundamentally opposed
With no vaccine or medication to cope with the novel coronavirus, people around the world have sought—or been ordered to seek—protection by changing the way they act in ways large and small, from their washing hands more frequently to avoiding almost all physical contact. Now, government and industry leaders are turning to behavioral scientists for advice on how to persuade their citizens and workers to abide by such dramatic changes.
apologies, we were making the more general observation of correlation between commoners and peoples
I still have no idea what you’re getting at… :-/
communism (n): property is owned by the community
democracy (n): government by the whole population
propaganda (n): lies to pretend they are fundamentally opposed
Communism is means of production owned by the state
Capitalism is means of production held privately
Nazism is everything within the state
Socialism is means if production held by the people.
communism (n): property is owned by the community
democracy (n): government by the whole population
propaganda (n): lies to pretend they are fundamentally opposed
Communism is means of production owned by the state
Capitalism is means of production held privately
Nazism is everything within the state
Socialism is means if production held by the people.
fair enough, each of us will have our individual nuanced understandings of it all
communism (n): property is owned by the community
democracy (n): government by the whole population
propaganda (n): lies to pretend they are fundamentally opposed
Communism is means of production owned by the state
Capitalism is means of production held privately
Nazism is everything within the state
Socialism is means if production held by the people.
Nazism should more correctly be Fascism. Fascists need not express racism as a core principle of their philosophy.
communism (n): property is owned by the community
democracy (n): government by the whole population
propaganda (n): lies to pretend they are fundamentally opposed
Communism is means of production owned by the state
Capitalism is means of production held privately
Nazism is everything within the state
Socialism is means if production held by the people.
Nazism should more correctly be Fascism. Fascists need not express racism as a core principle of their philosophy.
Not necessarily, but it does tend strongly towards it. A lot of effort would be required to hold a line on it.
communism (n): property is owned by the community
democracy (n): government by the whole population
propaganda (n): lies to pretend they are fundamentally opposed
Communism is means of production owned by the state
Capitalism is means of production held privately
Nazism is everything within the state
Socialism is means if production held by the people.
Nazism should more correctly be Fascism. Fascists need not express racism as a core principle of their philosophy.
Yeah fair enough, nazism was just the model burrowed from Italy that was industrialising under Mussolini.
the JH map shows that the US have done far more testing than any other place… like it’s a ridiculous jump between the next highest, Spain at 190 odd thousand… so are they just testing everyone? are they legit tests? why is the gap so big?
I expect Africa’s death toll will end up being much higher than 300,000.
It will run rampant in the sprawling slums but those in the country-side might fare better.
Even in the country-side there are millions upon millions living very close together, with few basic facilities. In many places, water (for drinking, cooking and cleaning) is carried kilometres from muddy water holes to houses. Villages often have communal pit toilets.
the JH map shows that the US have done far more testing than any other place… like it’s a ridiculous jump between the next highest, Spain at 190 odd thousand… so are they just testing everyone? are they legit tests? why is the gap so big?
Population sizes. USA has lots more people than Spain.
the JH map shows that the US have done far more testing than any other place… like it’s a ridiculous jump between the next highest, Spain at 190 odd thousand… so are they just testing everyone? are they legit tests? why is the gap so big?
Population sizes. USA has lots more people than Spain.
the JH map shows that the US have done far more testing than any other place… like it’s a ridiculous jump between the next highest, Spain at 190 odd thousand… so are they just testing everyone? are they legit tests? why is the gap so big?
Population sizes. USA has lots more people than Spain.
so china isn’t doing it? Brazil? India?
Like Australia at the moment, China has targeted testing.
India and Brazil are relatively poor countries (per capita), and Brazil is being run by a Trump-esque ostrich, a clown who thinks COVID-19 is just a cold.
the JH map shows that the US have done far more testing than any other place… like it’s a ridiculous jump between the next highest, Spain at 190 odd thousand… so are they just testing everyone? are they legit tests? why is the gap so big?
Population sizes. USA has lots more people than Spain.
so china isn’t doing it? Brazil? India?
25% of India’s population is malnourished. They have form at being incompetent.
the JH map shows that the US have done far more testing than any other place… like it’s a ridiculous jump between the next highest, Spain at 190 odd thousand… so are they just testing everyone? are they legit tests? why is the gap so big?
Among the nations who have been seriously impacted (say, more than 1000 deaths), it would be fair to say that the USA is now middle of the pack in terms of testing. They started slow, but have done a lot in the last week or so. Germany, Spain and Italy have done much more testing: the UK, Iran, much less. China aren’t publishing their test statistics.
Population sizes. USA has lots more people than Spain.
so china isn’t doing it? Brazil? India?
Like Australia at the moment, China has targeted testing.
India and Brazil are relatively poor countries (per capita), and Brazil is being run by a Trump-esque ostrich, a clown who thinks COVID-19 is just a cold.
the JH map shows that the US have done far more testing than any other place… like it’s a ridiculous jump between the next highest, Spain at 190 odd thousand… so are they just testing everyone? are they legit tests? why is the gap so big?
Among the nations who have been seriously impacted (say, more than 1000 deaths), it would be fair to say that the USA is now middle of the pack in terms of testing. They started slow, but have done a lot in the last week or so. Germany, Spain and Italy have done much more testing: the UK, Iran, much less. China aren’t publishing their test statistics.
much more per million of pop.. that makes more sense .. the US are still winning in the death rate though..
Population sizes. USA has lots more people than Spain.
so china isn’t doing it? Brazil? India?
Like Australia at the moment, China has targeted testing.
India and Brazil are relatively poor countries (per capita), and Brazil is being run by a Trump-esque ostrich, a clown who thinks COVID-19 is just a cold.
Brazil’s per capita GDP is close to that of China, about $9,000/head (although declining recently).
Princess Sofia of Sweden Volunteers to Clean and Cook at Local Hospital amid Coronavirus
Princess Sofia of Sweden has completed an online training program and is now volunteering at Sophiahemmet Hospital alongside other hospital workers.“The Princess wants to get involved and make a contribution as a voluntary worker to relieve the large workload of health care professionals,” read a statement from Sweden’s Royal Court.The princess will not be directly assisting patients but rather helping with tasks such as disinfecting medical equipment and providing support for doctors and nurses.
Deputy Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly has flagged another expansion of Australia’s coronavirus testing regime, to include places and people that are seemingly virus-free.
Professor Kelly said Australia had now carried out more than 400,000 tests but said it was time to actively go into the community to find more.
He said the switch to a “sentinel surveillance” program would offer tests to at-risk groups.
In a model seen by Reuters this week, researchers at the University of Indonesia forecast there could be 1 million infections by July on Java, the country’s most populous island and home to the capital, Jakarta.
President Joko Widodo has resisted pressure for a total ban on mudik, though the head of the government’s COVID-19 task force said those going would have to undergo a 14-day quarantine.
The announcement came a day after an Indonesian official said the number of cases could reach 106,000 by July, and follows criticism that a low rate of testing has hidden the extent of the spread of the virus.
In a model seen by Reuters this week, researchers at the University of Indonesia forecast there could be 1 million infections by July on Java, the country’s most populous island and home to the capital, Jakarta.
President Joko Widodo has resisted pressure for a total ban on mudik, though the head of the government’s COVID-19 task force said those going would have to undergo a 14-day quarantine.
The announcement came a day after an Indonesian official said the number of cases could reach 106,000 by July, and follows criticism that a low rate of testing has hidden the extent of the spread of the virus.
Mudik is travel at the end of Ramadan, usually to one’s hometown
Deputy Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly has flagged another expansion of Australia’s coronavirus testing regime, to include places and people that are seemingly virus-free.
Professor Kelly said Australia had now carried out more than 400,000 tests but said it was time to actively go into the community to find more.
The biggest disappointment out of the whole Corona Virus thing is seeing Paul Kelly on TV so much with not one mention about how to make gravy!
Deputy Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly has flagged another expansion of Australia’s coronavirus testing regime, to include places and people that are seemingly virus-free.
Professor Kelly said Australia had now carried out more than 400,000 tests but said it was time to actively go into the community to find more.
The biggest disappointment out of the whole Corona Virus thing is seeing Paul Kelly on TV so much with not one mention about how to make gravy!
Deputy Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly has flagged another expansion of Australia’s coronavirus testing regime, to include places and people that are seemingly virus-free.
Professor Kelly said Australia had now carried out more than 400,000 tests but said it was time to actively go into the community to find more.
The biggest disappointment out of the whole Corona Virus thing is seeing Paul Kelly on TV so much with not one mention about how to make gravy!
The daughter of a Coroneagh Park resident said her mother, who is aged in her late 80s, was tested on Friday and told doctors she did not want intervention if she got a positive diagnosis.
“She was asked her plan if she contracts the virus and said ‘I’ve had a good life, save the machines for the younger people’.”
better idea: we don’t need to kill them to redistribute the wealth now, do we
That’s the beauty of it, no-one needs to needlessly expire.
indeed we want people to needfully expire, and inspire, and expire — when the coronavirus screws your lungs to the point that you can’t do that any more, that’s the killing point
The World Health Organisation is not sure whether the presence of antibodies in blood gives full protection against reinfection with the new coronavirus, the group’s top emergencies expert Mike Ryan has said.
Dr Ryan also said that even if antibodies were effective there was little sign that large numbers of people had developed them and were beginning to offer so-called “herd immunity” to the broader population.
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Not sure this portrayal of “herd immunity” is quite right, people casually “developing antibodies” probably isn’t best called an “offer”. From what has been established with this infection so far, it seems that (1) you pretty much have to catch it to immunise to it, (2) you can still spread it even if you are asymptomatic with it, (3) the transmission rate is high enough that you need a lot of coverage of the flock, and (4) there is no vaccine for a while yet if at all.
If the way to get immune, is to actually catch the damn thing, thereby risking not only your own life but becoming a danger to those around you, then this method of developing flock immunity doesn’t seem like a wise strategy.
(but what would we know, we’ren’t epidemiologists)
My favourite podcast finally got around to Covid-19 today, with some big news: We don’t know whether to use hi-flow O2 or CPAP yet. There’s fuck-all quality evidence and the expert opinion is split.
Our biological statisticians might be our best hope here.
My favourite podcast finally got around to Covid-19 today, with some big news: We don’t know whether to use hi-flow O2 or CPAP yet. There’s fuck-all quality evidence and the expert opinion is split.
Our biological statisticians might be our best hope here.
apparently Jonathan Chun-Hei Cheung and colleagues know not to use them
Jonathan Chun-Hei Cheung and colleagues do not recommend use of a high-flow nasal cannula or non-invasive ventilation until the patient has viral clearance. Supporting the recommendation of the authors, I would like to add some points in relation to the use of high-flow nasal oxygen therapy and non-invasive ventilation in patients with COVID-19 infection:
My favourite podcast finally got around to Covid-19 today, with some big news: We don’t know whether to use hi-flow O2 or CPAP yet. There’s fuck-all quality evidence and the expert opinion is split.
Our biological statisticians might be our best hope here.
apparently Jonathan Chun-Hei Cheung and colleagues know not to use them
Jonathan Chun-Hei Cheung and colleagues do not recommend use of a high-flow nasal cannula or non-invasive ventilation until the patient has viral clearance. Supporting the recommendation of the authors, I would like to add some points in relation to the use of high-flow nasal oxygen therapy and non-invasive ventilation in patients with COVID-19 infection:
The lungs are not exchanging the gases.
155,000 people have died, many of them right in front of respiratory specialists just as qualified as Chun-Hei Cheung and his/her colleagues. Do you think every respiratory specialist in the world hasn’t tried every trick in the book a hundred times over to keep their patient alive?
Apparently, some of us need something more emphatic than ‘We’re in un-chartered waters here’ before we get the message.
I get the feeling that Australia is doing rather well now, compared to other countries. Have to scroll a long way down to find us on the list now. Soon other countries are going to start looking at us and asking: what did Australia do that we aren’t?
I get the feeling that Australia is doing rather well now, compared to other countries. Have to scroll a long way down to find us on the list now. Soon other countries are going to start looking at us and asking: what did Australia do that we aren’t?
Suspect that started four weeks ago.
Putting aside for a moment the giant leap that started 45 years ago….
I get the feeling that Australia is doing rather well now, compared to other countries. Have to scroll a long way down to find us on the list now. Soon other countries are going to start looking at us and asking: what did Australia do that we aren’t?
Suspect that started four weeks ago.
Putting aside for a moment the giant leap that started 45 years ago….
I don’t think me reaching puberty had much to do with it really.
I get the feeling that Australia is doing rather well now, compared to other countries. Have to scroll a long way down to find us on the list now. Soon other countries are going to start looking at us and asking: what did Australia do that we aren’t?
Well they should be already. We appear well past the worst and may well get out of this with only a few hundred dead.
The planet’s history of violence over 4,000 years in one simple map
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/12180516/Geography-of-violence-Map-records-every-battle-ever-fought.html
Across the country, Italians sang “Andrà Tutto Bene” (“everything will be alright”) from their balconies. A billboard in Naples read: “Together, Without Fear. Coronavirus is a weak enemy if we fight it together.” The country came together each night as the death toll was broadcast at 6 p.m. A stimulus package was introduced, and a solidarity fund was advanced to all municipalities.
Italy, which has suffered the highest death toll in the European outbreak of the novel coronavirus, then saw a break in reported cases in late March. It had flattened the curve as its healthcare systems flexed under the influx of COVID-19 patients, as its military buried the dead, and as its citizens strained under lockdown, waiting for the end.
But now the singing has stopped. Calls to domestic abuse hotlines soared. Discontent and discomfort during the ongoing quarantine has now sowed great divisions in communities where food and money are lacking, perhaps more pronounced in the poorer southern regions of the country. The solidarity cheering has since been replaced by the realization that normalcy may not return by summer as hundreds of thousands remain unemployed, and millions who rely on off-the-books contract labor are afflicted in ways yet incalculable.
For nearly two months, 60 million Italians have remained safe guarded in their homes. As the country enters its third month of lockdown, with Italians expected to stay at home through May 3, a far bleaker picture of the country’s future is emerging. It is also a warning to other nations who are determining when lockdowns can be safely lifted.
Signs of growing tensions in Italy last week prompted the interior minister, Luciana Lamorgese, to request greater police attention to “riots by groups of extremists.” His warning was aimed at the mafia, which has capitalized on the pandemic by distributing food, clothing, and money to underprivileged families in lockdown and stoking the tensions underscoring the difficulties of keeping a nation at home.
In recent weeks, videos and local news reports have emerged in which known mafia affiliates have called for parts of Italy’s south to rally together. “I appeal to my neighborhood, I need everyone’s help, a small sum, to do the shopping for needy children,” Giuseppe Cusimano, who distributed food to three neighborhoods in Palermo, wrote on Facebook. Cusimano, who was distributing food in Palermo, has been investigated by authorities for his ties to mobsters, according to La Repubblica. “I don’t ask for much, five euros per person.
For medicine, diapers, and baby products. Who has a heart contact me in private. At least let’s talk well about the neighborhood. The state does not want us to do charity because we are Mafiosi.”
“They act with the interest of the organization at heart and never do anything just for benefit of the community,” Federico Varese, a professor of criminology at the University of Oxford and a senior research fellow at Nuffield College, told Newsweek.“Their gifts are favors to be paid back at some later time.”
The state has been slow to act, with taxes for small business suspended rather than forgiven, and those who are employed in contract or freelance labor are not entitled to social benefits. Those who are have found themselves delayed by lethargic local and state bureaucracy, despite a €4.3 billion solidarity fund championed by Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte and an additional €400 million (AU$ 683m) in food stamps to mayors who have protested the funds, calling them insufficient.
“Any provision that enables people to be free and autonomous helps in the long run also the fight against mafias, who recruit among those in need,” Varese said, noting that handing out food itself is not illegal. “The fight against the mafia to be effective must also include social policies that drain away the support Mafias might have in the community. Such policies must come from the government.”
Though the country’s southern region was not as hard hit by the number of coronavirus cases as the country’s north, the south has fallen into worse economic stagnation, a recession it has struggle to overcome since the global financial crises in 2007, according to the most recent figures from CGIA Mestre, a Venice-based small business association. The association reported 76,000 shops operating in Sicily in 2009. By 2019 that number had dropped to 69,000. Now, thousands more have closed for good.
Across Calabria, Sicily, and Puglia, unemployment is growing. In Palermo, 50,000 residents are without income. One resident of Palermo posted a video to social media in which he sits by his daughter who is eating a slice of bread with Nutella. He addresses the mayor, Leoluca Orlando. “If my daughter cannot eat a piece of bread we will go to assault the supermarkets,” the man says. Not long after,
The warnings of unrest extend beyond organized crime and the working class wanting to go back to work, to those who, according to Orlando, rely on petty crime to survive. He has since asked the federal government to establish a basic income because he fears “criminal groups could promote violent acts.”
One such group on Facebook, “National Revolution,” formed on March 25, has since ballooned to 2,600 members and encouraged its members to loot local grocery markets.
“The people are those who, before the lockdown, made a living from house robberies and shop thefts,” an unnamed source from the Sicily unit of Digos, Italy’s anti-terrorism police squad, told The Guardian. (Contacted by Newsweek, Digos and several local anti-mafia prosecutors refused to comment.) “But with some of these criminal activities being on standby due to the lockdown, the only shops open to rob are supermarkets and chemists. These are people who, due to rampant poverty in the south, usually survive from criminal activities, but who are now not doing so well.” Not long after, a group of roughly 15 people stormed a Lidl grocery store in the city, filling up their carts and refusing to pay. Nearby, small business owners have been pressured to give up free food and supplies.
Federico Cafiero De Raho, the national anti-mafia prosecutor, cautioned that “social consensus is a part of expansion plan.” De Raho, in an interview with Reuters, said that Camorra clans were distributing food to cash-strapped families under quarantine and offering loans whose payments may one day only be paid through working for the mafia. “The Camorra knows this is the right time to invest,” he said.
Diego Gambetta, the author of several books on organized crime, including The Sicilian Mafia, told Newsweek that the publicized “helping of the weak” is meant to boost the reputation of criminal enterprises as “bona fide protectors.”
“Handouts show that in times of need they assist those who have supported them in the past as well be instrumental in opening ‘lines of credit’ for future services,” Gambetta said and cautioned against jumping to conclusions over whether these are indiscriminate acts of generosity for the needy, or if the mafia is providing support to an established base.
“The grand gestures and the mediatic echo they achieve might tip the balance of reputation in favor of these groups, making the state look inept and uncaring, and encouraging local people to rely on local patronage,” he said. “But the situation related to the pandemic is far too turbulent at the moment to make predictions.”
Yet in recent weeks there have also been reports of mafia charity in Brazil, South Africa and Japan, not uncommon in times of strife.
“One dollar spent now in donations brings about greater loyalty and gratitude than a dollar spent in peaceful times,” Gambetta said.
North Korean lecturers say there are confirmed coronavirus cases in the country: RFA
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North Korean authorities told citizens in public lectures that there were confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the country as early as the end of March, in contrast to official Pyongyang claims that it has not had any confirmed cases, Radio Free Asia reported on late Friday.
The lecturers, speaking to organisations and neighbourhood watch groups, said there were COVID-19 cases within the country, without giving any numbers, Radio Free Asia (RFA) said, citing two sources, one in Pyongyang and one in Ryanggang province.
North Korean authorities are “looking into whether there is still any space for infectious diseases to enter, in line with the complete blockade of borders, airspace and territorial waters” until the global virus pandemic is under control, state media KCNA said on Saturday.
Across the country, Italians sang “Andrà Tutto Bene” (“everything will be alright”) from their balconies. A billboard in Naples read: “Together, Without Fear. Coronavirus is a weak enemy if we fight it together.” The country came together each night as the death toll was broadcast at 6 p.m. A stimulus package was introduced, and a solidarity fund was advanced to all municipalities.
Italy, which has suffered the highest death toll in the European outbreak of the novel coronavirus, then saw a break in reported cases in late March. It had flattened the curve as its healthcare systems flexed under the influx of COVID-19 patients, as its military buried the dead, and as its citizens strained under lockdown, waiting for the end.
But now the singing has stopped. Calls to domestic abuse hotlines soared. Discontent and discomfort during the ongoing quarantine has now sowed great divisions in communities where food and money are lacking, perhaps more pronounced in the poorer southern regions of the country. The solidarity cheering has since been replaced by the realization that normalcy may not return by summer as hundreds of thousands remain unemployed, and millions who rely on off-the-books contract labor are afflicted in ways yet incalculable.
For nearly two months, 60 million Italians have remained safe guarded in their homes. As the country enters its third month of lockdown, with Italians expected to stay at home through May 3, a far bleaker picture of the country’s future is emerging. It is also a warning to other nations who are determining when lockdowns can be safely lifted.
Signs of growing tensions in Italy last week prompted the interior minister, Luciana Lamorgese, to request greater police attention to “riots by groups of extremists.” His warning was aimed at the mafia, which has capitalized on the pandemic by distributing food, clothing, and money to underprivileged families in lockdown and stoking the tensions underscoring the difficulties of keeping a nation at home.
In recent weeks, videos and local news reports have emerged in which known mafia affiliates have called for parts of Italy’s south to rally together. “I appeal to my neighborhood, I need everyone’s help, a small sum, to do the shopping for needy children,” Giuseppe Cusimano, who distributed food to three neighborhoods in Palermo, wrote on Facebook. Cusimano, who was distributing food in Palermo, has been investigated by authorities for his ties to mobsters, according to La Repubblica. “I don’t ask for much, five euros per person.
For medicine, diapers, and baby products. Who has a heart contact me in private. At least let’s talk well about the neighborhood. The state does not want us to do charity because we are Mafiosi.”
“They act with the interest of the organization at heart and never do anything just for benefit of the community,” Federico Varese, a professor of criminology at the University of Oxford and a senior research fellow at Nuffield College, told Newsweek.“Their gifts are favors to be paid back at some later time.”
The state has been slow to act, with taxes for small business suspended rather than forgiven, and those who are employed in contract or freelance labor are not entitled to social benefits. Those who are have found themselves delayed by lethargic local and state bureaucracy, despite a €4.3 billion solidarity fund championed by Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte and an additional €400 million (AU$ 683m) in food stamps to mayors who have protested the funds, calling them insufficient.
“Any provision that enables people to be free and autonomous helps in the long run also the fight against mafias, who recruit among those in need,” Varese said, noting that handing out food itself is not illegal. “The fight against the mafia to be effective must also include social policies that drain away the support Mafias might have in the community. Such policies must come from the government.”
Though the country’s southern region was not as hard hit by the number of coronavirus cases as the country’s north, the south has fallen into worse economic stagnation, a recession it has struggle to overcome since the global financial crises in 2007, according to the most recent figures from CGIA Mestre, a Venice-based small business association. The association reported 76,000 shops operating in Sicily in 2009. By 2019 that number had dropped to 69,000. Now, thousands more have closed for good.
Across Calabria, Sicily, and Puglia, unemployment is growing. In Palermo, 50,000 residents are without income. One resident of Palermo posted a video to social media in which he sits by his daughter who is eating a slice of bread with Nutella. He addresses the mayor, Leoluca Orlando. “If my daughter cannot eat a piece of bread we will go to assault the supermarkets,” the man says. Not long after,
The warnings of unrest extend beyond organized crime and the working class wanting to go back to work, to those who, according to Orlando, rely on petty crime to survive. He has since asked the federal government to establish a basic income because he fears “criminal groups could promote violent acts.”
One such group on Facebook, “National Revolution,” formed on March 25, has since ballooned to 2,600 members and encouraged its members to loot local grocery markets.
“The people are those who, before the lockdown, made a living from house robberies and shop thefts,” an unnamed source from the Sicily unit of Digos, Italy’s anti-terrorism police squad, told The Guardian. (Contacted by Newsweek, Digos and several local anti-mafia prosecutors refused to comment.) “But with some of these criminal activities being on standby due to the lockdown, the only shops open to rob are supermarkets and chemists. These are people who, due to rampant poverty in the south, usually survive from criminal activities, but who are now not doing so well.” Not long after, a group of roughly 15 people stormed a Lidl grocery store in the city, filling up their carts and refusing to pay. Nearby, small business owners have been pressured to give up free food and supplies.
Federico Cafiero De Raho, the national anti-mafia prosecutor, cautioned that “social consensus is a part of expansion plan.” De Raho, in an interview with Reuters, said that Camorra clans were distributing food to cash-strapped families under quarantine and offering loans whose payments may one day only be paid through working for the mafia. “The Camorra knows this is the right time to invest,” he said.
Diego Gambetta, the author of several books on organized crime, including The Sicilian Mafia, told Newsweek that the publicized “helping of the weak” is meant to boost the reputation of criminal enterprises as “bona fide protectors.”
“Handouts show that in times of need they assist those who have supported them in the past as well be instrumental in opening ‘lines of credit’ for future services,” Gambetta said and cautioned against jumping to conclusions over whether these are indiscriminate acts of generosity for the needy, or if the mafia is providing support to an established base.
“The grand gestures and the mediatic echo they achieve might tip the balance of reputation in favor of these groups, making the state look inept and uncaring, and encouraging local people to rely on local patronage,” he said. “But the situation related to the pandemic is far too turbulent at the moment to make predictions.”
Yet in recent weeks there have also been reports of mafia charity in Brazil, South Africa and Japan, not uncommon in times of strife.
“One dollar spent now in donations brings about greater loyalty and gratitude than a dollar spent in peaceful times,” Gambetta said.
I recall the time when the BCA was first formed, my boss was one of those instrunmental in setting it up. He had a lot to say about the mafia, though he took their money when they were having an engagement party.
One of the girls in the shop was walking out of his office and she was muttering, “I don’t know what is wrong with the mafia, they do good for the community”.
My reply was, “Yes, if you are a member of the family”.
Turkey’s confirmed coronavirus cases have risen to 82,329, overtaking neighbouring Iran for the first time to register the highest total in the Middle East.
An increase of 3,783 cases in the past 24 hours also pushed Turkey’s confirmed tally within a few hundred of China.
A total of 1,890 people have died and 10,453 people have recovered from coronavirus in Turkey so far, and the number of tests carried out over the past 24 hours came to 40,520, Health Minister Fahrettin Koca said.
Is there such a thing as a trichotomy? A quadchotomy?
Some would say that all dichotomies are only linguistic constructions, that the oppositeness of the pairs they describe exists only in the language. From this perspective, the opposite of black in not white, because black and white have more in common with each other than with any other thing. The opposite of black is not white, it’s banana, or bicycle, or house, or something else that has nothing in common with black.
I am drawn to this explanation because it emphasises similarities over differences.
Is there such a thing as a trichotomy? A quadchotomy?
Some would say that all dichotomies are only linguistic constructions, that the oppositeness of the pairs they describe exists only in the language. From this perspective, the opposite of black in not white, because black and white have more in common with each other than with any other thing. The opposite of black is not white, it’s banana, or bicycle, or house, or something else that has nothing in common with black.
I am drawn to this explanation because it emphasises similarities over differences.
… and so on.
fortunately here too there is a mathematical solution, and the scope within which opposition is applied merely needs to be defined
