‘Sadness’ and Disbelief From a World Missing American Leadership

The coronavirus pandemic is shaking bedrock assumptions about U.S. exceptionalism. This is perhaps the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking for Washington to lead.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/world/europe/coronavirus-american-exceptionalism.html

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The current crisis, some fear, could act like an accelerator of history, speeding up a decline in influence of both the United States and Europe.

“Sometime in 2021 we come out of this crisis and we will be in 2030,” said Mr. Moïsi. “There will be more Asia in the world and less West.”

Mr. Garton Ash said that the United States should take an urgent warning from a long line of empires that rose and fell.

“To a historian it’s nothing new, that’s what happens,” said Mr. Garton Ash. “It’s a very familiar story in world history that after a certain amount of time a power declines.”

why is the assumption that the world misses USA leadership

can other political bodies not lead

How bad is it in the USA? This is how bad it is in the USA.

Luckily for the USA, the mortality rate at 7.2% is less than half what it is in Mexico.

sarahs mum said:

‘Sadness’ and Disbelief From a World Missing American Leadership

The coronavirus pandemic is shaking bedrock assumptions about U.S. exceptionalism. This is perhaps the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking for Washington to lead.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/world/europe/coronavirus-american-exceptionalism.html

Ahh, yes, there was that time in 1914 (yes, yes, I know that’s more than a century, but it’s close) when the USA came to the forefront and led the vanguard against German expansionist policies.

And that time in 1939 when the world looked to the USA as the Nazi menace raged across Europe.

Ahh, good, reassuring times. Times you knew where the world stood; truth, justice and the American way.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

‘Sadness’ and Disbelief From a World Missing American Leadership

The coronavirus pandemic is shaking bedrock assumptions about U.S. exceptionalism. This is perhaps the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking for Washington to lead.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/world/europe/coronavirus-american-exceptionalism.html

Ahh, yes, there was that time in 1914 (yes, yes, I know that’s more than a century, but it’s close) when the USA came to the forefront and led the vanguard against German expansionist policies.

And that time in 1939 when the world looked to the USA as the Nazi menace raged across Europe.

Ahh, good, reassuring times. Times you knew where the world stood; truth, justice and the American way.

The Man Of Steel, Stalin

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

‘Sadness’ and Disbelief From a World Missing American Leadership

The coronavirus pandemic is shaking bedrock assumptions about U.S. exceptionalism. This is perhaps the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking for Washington to lead.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/world/europe/coronavirus-american-exceptionalism.html

Ahh, yes, there was that time in 1914 (yes, yes, I know that’s more than a century, but it’s close) when the USA came to the forefront and led the vanguard against German expansionist policies.

And that time in 1939 when the world looked to the USA as the Nazi menace raged across Europe.

Ahh, good, reassuring times. Times you knew where the world stood; truth, justice and the American way.

Touché.

The sad part is that America doesn’t have to surrender its world leader status, it’s doing it voluntarily.

With a set of distractions that include ‘rights’ and scapegoating and encouragements from above to racism, xenophobia, religious hatred, isolationism, and wilful ignorance, and a society and political system that’s manipulated by a wealthy minority solely for their own financial gain, and the complete loss of sight of the values that once made America the envy of the rest of the world (e.g. generosity, community, tolerance), Americans seem unwilling to make the smallest of concessions to their own personal situations which might help them to rescue themselves as a whole.

They could pull themselves out of the hole, but they’re much more focussed these days on proving to themselves that they ‘know what’s really going on’.

And, they probably do, but they won’t admit it to themselves.

This is the stuff you miss out on when you choose the maths and physical sciences at Uni – The social scientists have been saying this stuff for decades.

Also, I think it’s been a few years since anybody looked to Washington for leadership on anything.

It’s possible they’ll bounce back.

If DJT wins in November, maybe not.

Please tell me somebody remembers me using the phrase ‘From Pioneering to Decline without ever passing through Civilised’ with reference to the US like 15 years ago on SiSSyFuss?

Rule 303 said:

Please tell me somebody remembers me using the phrase ‘From Pioneering to Decline without ever passing through Civilised’ with reference to the US like 15 years ago on SiSSyFuss?

I can’t even remember what I said back then…

I wouldn’t count the USA out just yet.

Dr. Deborah Birx, Coronavirus Response Coordinator for the Trump Administration’s White House Coronavirus Task Force, as Trump rabbits on about ‘intense light’ and and ‘getting disinfectants into the body’.

https://imgur.com/gallery/NBOpVun

She obviously didn’t have a gun. If she had one, she would have shot herself. The only question is – would she have shot Trump first?

sibeen said:

I wouldn’t count the USA out just yet.

Yeah, in the scheme of things it is only a few % who are whack jobs.

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

I wouldn’t count the USA out just yet.

Yeah, in the scheme of things it is only a few % who are whack jobs.

Unfortunately they’re all Republican members of congress.

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

I wouldn’t count the USA out just yet.

Yeah, in the scheme of things it is only a few % who are whack jobs.

Until election day, when most of the sane ones seem to (unaccountably) stay at home, and the wack jobs are the only ones who vote.

Rule 303 said:

Please tell me somebody remembers me using the phrase ‘From Pioneering to Decline without ever passing through Civilised’ with reference to the US like 15 years ago on SiSSyFuss?

give us the postid and we’ll dig it out for you

Witty Rejoinder said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

I wouldn’t count the USA out just yet.

Yeah, in the scheme of things it is only a few % who are whack jobs.

Unfortunately they’re all Republican members of congress.

the wheel of dharma moves on and everything that arises, passes away…

sibeen said:

I wouldn’t count the USA out just yet.

I’m starting the count nonetheless.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

I wouldn’t count the USA out just yet.

I’m starting the count nonetheless.

they are starting from a fucked position…

Witty Rejoinder said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

I wouldn’t count the USA out just yet.

Yeah, in the scheme of things it is only a few % who are whack jobs.

Unfortunately they’re all Republican members of congress.

It ain’t just republicans. Did you catch Pelosi’s brilliant piece from home a couple of days ago?

Just fucking clueless.

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Yeah, in the scheme of things it is only a few % who are whack jobs.

Unfortunately they’re all Republican members of congress.

It ain’t just republicans. Did you catch Pelosi’s brilliant piece from home a couple of days ago?

Just fucking clueless.

Give her a break she’s practically geriatric… what did she do?

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Yeah, in the scheme of things it is only a few % who are whack jobs.

Unfortunately they’re all Republican members of congress.

the wheel of dharma moves on and everything that arises, passes away…

You’re right, we need a Great Hindu or Buddhist Superpower to carry the baton for this era of World Suffering, Sri Lanka perhaps, or Japan since they’re playing Games with the Olympics (remember 80 years ago?), or maybe North-East Tibet.

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Unfortunately they’re all Republican members of congress.

the wheel of dharma moves on and everything that arises, passes away…

You’re right, we need a Great Hindu or Buddhist Superpower to carry the baton for this era of World Suffering, Sri Lanka perhaps, or Japan since they’re playing Games with the Olympics (remember 80 years ago?), or maybe North-East Tibet.

Dalai Lama for President.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Unfortunately they’re all Republican members of congress.

It ain’t just republicans. Did you catch Pelosi’s brilliant piece from home a couple of days ago?

Just fucking clueless.

Give her a break she’s practically geriatric… what did she do?

Speaker, how are you handling the social isolating.

Pelosi has a giggle and rushes to her $24k (not kidding) fridge and opens the freezer and laughs merrily as she pulls out $12 per pint ice cream (not kidding) and gushes about how good it is etc.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the wheel of dharma moves on and everything that arises, passes away…

You’re right, we need a Great Hindu or Buddhist Superpower to carry the baton for this era of World Suffering, Sri Lanka perhaps, or Japan since they’re playing Games with the Olympics (remember 80 years ago?), or maybe North-East Tibet.

Dalai Lama for President.

Ya, the people always live joyous lives under a theocracy.

Deep down in places we don’t talk about at parties, we need them on that wall, we want them on that wall………………

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

It ain’t just republicans. Did you catch Pelosi’s brilliant piece from home a couple of days ago?

Just fucking clueless.

Give her a break she’s practically geriatric… what did she do?

Speaker, how are you handling the social isolating.

Pelosi has a giggle and rushes to her $24k (not kidding) fridge and opens the freezer and laughs merrily as she pulls out $12 per pint ice cream (not kidding) and gushes about how good it is etc.

Tucker Carlson has changed you.

Peak Warming Man said:

Deep down in places we don’t talk about at parties, we need them on that wall, we want them on that wall………………

Were you about to proceed to deride out truth-handling abilities?

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Give her a break she’s practically geriatric… what did she do?

Speaker, how are you handling the social isolating.

Pelosi has a giggle and rushes to her $24k (not kidding) fridge and opens the freezer and laughs merrily as she pulls out $12 per pint ice cream (not kidding) and gushes about how good it is etc.

Tucker Carlson has changed you.

Nup, it was fucking clueless. It’s also given Trump a rod about a mile long to shove up her arse.

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

It ain’t just republicans. Did you catch Pelosi’s brilliant piece from home a couple of days ago?

Just fucking clueless.

Give her a break she’s practically geriatric… what did she do?

Speaker, how are you handling the social isolating.

Pelosi has a giggle and rushes to her $24k (not kidding) fridge and opens the freezer and laughs merrily as she pulls out $12 per pint ice cream (not kidding) and gushes about how good it is etc.

ref¿

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Speaker, how are you handling the social isolating.

Pelosi has a giggle and rushes to her $24k (not kidding) fridge and opens the freezer and laughs merrily as she pulls out $12 per pint ice cream (not kidding) and gushes about how good it is etc.

Tucker Carlson has changed you.

Nup, it was fucking clueless. It’s also given Trump a rod about a mile long to shove up her arse.

I was kidding.

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Give her a break she’s practically geriatric… what did she do?

Speaker, how are you handling the social isolating.

Pelosi has a giggle and rushes to her $24k (not kidding) fridge and opens the freezer and laughs merrily as she pulls out $12 per pint ice cream (not kidding) and gushes about how good it is etc.

ref¿

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgfumenJbXE

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tucker Carlson has changed you.

Nup, it was fucking clueless. It’s also given Trump a rod about a mile long to shove up her arse.

I was kidding.

Damn, Boris has ruined humour for me.

furious said:

Rule 303 said:

Please tell me somebody remembers me using the phrase ‘From Pioneering to Decline without ever passing through Civilised’ with reference to the US like 15 years ago on SiSSyFuss?

I can’t even remember what I said back then…

Here is an investigation into that quote
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/12/07/barbarism-decadence/

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Nup, it was fucking clueless. It’s also given Trump a rod about a mile long to shove up her arse.

I was kidding.

Damn, Boris has ruined humour for me.

sorry.

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Nup, it was fucking clueless. It’s also given Trump a rod about a mile long to shove up her arse.

I was kidding.

Damn, Boris has ruined humour for me.

I’m afraid that’s it for the forum now.

dv said:

furious said:

Rule 303 said:

Please tell me somebody remembers me using the phrase ‘From Pioneering to Decline without ever passing through Civilised’ with reference to the US like 15 years ago on SiSSyFuss?

I can’t even remember what I said back then…

Here is an investigation into that quote
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/12/07/barbarism-decadence/

See? I was continuing a fine tradition of dismissing them.

In answer the the topic question:

Bad, really bad.

Michael V said:

In answer the the topic question:

Bad, really bad.

bigly bad?

I guess the really serious question is: how bad do you secretly wish for the USA to get?

party_pants said:

I guess the really serious question is: how bad do you secretly wish for the USA to get?

Well, that’s an odd question.

I don’t secretly wish them to get badder. I wish they’d get gooder. Banning guns would be a great start. Unlikely to happen, though.

I wish all countries to get gooder. Including ours.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I guess the really serious question is: how bad do you secretly wish for the USA to get?

Well, that’s an odd question.

I don’t secretly wish them to get badder. I wish they’d get gooder. Banning guns would be a great start. Unlikely to happen, though.

I wish all countries to get gooder. Including ours.

How bad does it need to get before they will make that change?

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I guess the really serious question is: how bad do you secretly wish for the USA to get?

Well, that’s an odd question.

I don’t secretly wish them to get badder. I wish they’d get gooder. Banning guns would be a great start. Unlikely to happen, though.

I wish all countries to get gooder. Including ours.

So, you hope that Australian government are not just acting as puppets to USA, and people the world over realise that the way the USA is going is not a good role model ¿

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I guess the really serious question is: how bad do you secretly wish for the USA to get?

Well, that’s an odd question.

I don’t secretly wish them to get badder. I wish they’d get gooder. Banning guns would be a great start. Unlikely to happen, though.

I wish all countries to get gooder. Including ours.

How bad does it need to get before they will make that change?

I don’t think they ever will.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I guess the really serious question is: how bad do you secretly wish for the USA to get?

Well, that’s an odd question.

I don’t secretly wish them to get badder. I wish they’d get gooder. Banning guns would be a great start. Unlikely to happen, though.

I wish all countries to get gooder. Including ours.

How bad does it need to get before they will make that change?

Trump refusing to concede and his sociopathic supporters start killing congress-members with the tacit approval of some in the secret service should do it.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Well, that’s an odd question.

I don’t secretly wish them to get badder. I wish they’d get gooder. Banning guns would be a great start. Unlikely to happen, though.

I wish all countries to get gooder. Including ours.

How bad does it need to get before they will make that change?

I don’t think they ever will.

what if a few states broke down into complete anarchy became totally lawless areas ruled by warlords and brigands… and the only way to restore order was some kind of minor cicil war and disarmament. Do we secretly wish them that it gets that bad?

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

How bad does it need to get before they will make that change?

I don’t think they ever will.

what if a few states broke down into complete anarchy became totally lawless areas ruled by warlords and brigands… and the only way to restore order was some kind of minor cicil war and disarmament. Do we secretly wish them that it gets that bad?

I’d start a popcorn franchise…

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I guess the really serious question is: how bad do you secretly wish for the USA to get?

Well, that’s an odd question.

I don’t secretly wish them to get badder. I wish they’d get gooder. Banning guns would be a great start. Unlikely to happen, though.

I wish all countries to get gooder. Including ours.

So, you hope that Australian government are not just acting as puppets to USA, and people the world over realise that the way the USA is going is not a good role model ¿

In a bit of a way. Can I take that question on notice?

I could write a thesis, but I’d prefer not to at the moment.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

How bad does it need to get before they will make that change?

I don’t think they ever will.

what if a few states broke down into complete anarchy became totally lawless areas ruled by warlords and brigands… and the only way to restore order was some kind of minor cicil war and disarmament. Do we secretly wish them that it gets that bad?

Nope. I wish they’d all realise the problem (and the simple solution) yesterday. Or much earlier.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I guess the really serious question is: how bad do you secretly wish for the USA to get?

Well, that’s an odd question.

I don’t secretly wish them to get badder. I wish they’d get gooder. Banning guns would be a great start. Unlikely to happen, though.

I wish all countries to get gooder. Including ours.

How bad does it need to get before they will make that change?

Probably when you least expect it.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

How bad does it need to get before they will make that change?

I don’t think they ever will.

what if a few states broke down into complete anarchy became totally lawless areas ruled by warlords and brigands… and the only way to restore order was some kind of minor cicil war and disarmament. Do we secretly wish them that it gets that bad?

I’d just like all the idiots who protest measures to protect them to get sick, really sick. Not dead, just ill enough to wish they were dead. F#&img morons…

furious said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

I don’t think they ever will.

what if a few states broke down into complete anarchy became totally lawless areas ruled by warlords and brigands… and the only way to restore order was some kind of minor cicil war and disarmament. Do we secretly wish them that it gets that bad?

I’d just like all the idiots who protest measures to protect them to get sick, really sick. Not dead, just ill enough to wish they were dead. F#&img morons…

Why give them a second chance?

PermeateFree said:

furious said:

party_pants said:

what if a few states broke down into complete anarchy became totally lawless areas ruled by warlords and brigands… and the only way to restore order was some kind of minor cicil war and disarmament. Do we secretly wish them that it gets that bad?

I’d just like all the idiots who protest measures to protect them to get sick, really sick. Not dead, just ill enough to wish they were dead. F#&img morons…

Why give them a second chance?

Are you thinking 7.62?

as in mm?

party_pants said:

I guess the really serious question is: how bad do you secretly wish for the USA to get?

Hand on heart, I want things to get completely better in the US.

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Give her a break she’s practically geriatric… what did she do?

Speaker, how are you handling the social isolating.

Pelosi has a giggle and rushes to her $24k (not kidding) fridge and opens the freezer and laughs merrily as she pulls out $12 per pint ice cream (not kidding) and gushes about how good it is etc.

ref¿

I watched the video. It seemed unremarkable. This was a brief fun late night segment in which she was asked to show something from her home. No one would be expecting she’d have a shit fridge.

dv said:

party_pants said:

I guess the really serious question is: how bad do you secretly wish for the USA to get?

Hand on heart, I want things to get completely better in the US.

one step at a time brother, one rung up the human development ladder, we’d settle for maybe just a little bit more like Chad

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

I guess the really serious question is: how bad do you secretly wish for the USA to get?

Hand on heart, I want things to get completely better in the US.

one step at a time brother, one rung up the human development ladder, we’d settle for maybe just a little bit more like Chad

Well said, all of you. Although I’m a follower of John Lenin (all the people sharing all the world), I’d selfishly rather a world with English as the dominant language. Although I deplore the morality, pax Americana has worked.

I just keep seeing parallels between pax Americana, pax Romana, and Gibbons “Decline and fall of the Roman Empire”.

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Hand on heart, I want things to get completely better in the US.

one step at a time brother, one rung up the human development ladder, we’d settle for maybe just a little bit more like Chad

Well said, all of you. Although I’m a follower of John Lenin (all the people sharing all the world), I’d selfishly rather a world with English as the dominant language. Although I deplore the morality, pax Americana has worked.

I just keep seeing parallels between pax Americana, pax Romana, and Gibbons “Decline and fall of the Roman Empire”.

Lennon.

dv said:

party_pants said:

I guess the really serious question is: how bad do you secretly wish for the USA to get?

Hand on heart, I want things to get completely better in the US.

They have to get past their giant egos first.

not sure US qualifies as an empire, or ever did, meaning some of the ideas regard its dominance are inflated

transition said:

not sure US qualifies as an empire, or ever did, meaning some of the ideas regard its dominance are inflated

the self-organizing principles (related culture, political views etc), though, probably been corrupted, I reckon, strategically hijacked, to-great-extent a lot of borrowed money has gone into competition philosophy, propping up an ideology, forcing it to work, distorting reality

a sort of entrepreneurial moral abandon

What if the infection had been deliberately spread into the USA long before the Americans realised how bad things were ?

The Chinese were buying up medical supplies around the world whilst telling the world things weren’t so bad. They did this to get a jump on getting resources for their country AND make things worse for the world.

wookiemeister said:

What if the infection had been deliberately spread into the USA long before the Americans realised how bad things were ?

The Chinese were buying up medical supplies around the world whilst telling the world things weren’t so bad. They did this to get a jump on getting resources for their country AND make things worse for the world.

I say the opposite. China has a low mortality strain, the USA transformed it into the high mortality strain. What if the USA deliberately spread the high mortality strain to other countries? To Canada and Mexico for starters, that’s a given. Possibly also Spain, France, Italy and the UK.

Don’t underestimate the deviousness of US Black Ops.

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

What if the infection had been deliberately spread into the USA long before the Americans realised how bad things were ?

The Chinese were buying up medical supplies around the world whilst telling the world things weren’t so bad. They did this to get a jump on getting resources for their country AND make things worse for the world.

I say the opposite. China has a low mortality strain, the USA transformed it into the high mortality strain. What if the USA deliberately spread the high mortality strain to other countries? To Canada and Mexico for starters, that’s a given. Possibly also Spain, France, Italy and the UK.

Don’t underestimate the deviousness of US Black Ops.

bangs head onto desk

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

What if the infection had been deliberately spread into the USA long before the Americans realised how bad things were ?

The Chinese were buying up medical supplies around the world whilst telling the world things weren’t so bad. They did this to get a jump on getting resources for their country AND make things worse for the world.

I say the opposite. China has a low mortality strain, the USA transformed it into the high mortality strain. What if the USA deliberately spread the high mortality strain to other countries? To Canada and Mexico for starters, that’s a given. Possibly also Spain, France, Italy and the UK.

Don’t underestimate the deviousness of US Black Ops.

bangs head onto desk

That’s just what they want you to do!!!

sibeen said:

bangs head onto desk

Don’t do that too often, you might hurt yourself.

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

What if the infection had been deliberately spread into the USA long before the Americans realised how bad things were ?

The Chinese were buying up medical supplies around the world whilst telling the world things weren’t so bad. They did this to get a jump on getting resources for their country AND make things worse for the world.

I say the opposite. China has a low mortality strain, the USA transformed it into the high mortality strain. What if the USA deliberately spread the high mortality strain to other countries? To Canada and Mexico for starters, that’s a given. Possibly also Spain, France, Italy and the UK.

Don’t underestimate the deviousness of US Black Ops.

bangs head onto desk

Thank you. I needed cheering up.

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

What if the infection had been deliberately spread into the USA long before the Americans realised how bad things were ?

The Chinese were buying up medical supplies around the world whilst telling the world things weren’t so bad. They did this to get a jump on getting resources for their country AND make things worse for the world.

I say the opposite. China has a low mortality strain, the USA transformed it into the high mortality strain. What if the USA deliberately spread the high mortality strain to other countries? To Canada and Mexico for starters, that’s a given. Possibly also Spain, France, Italy and the UK.

Don’t underestimate the deviousness of US Black Ops.

bangs head onto desk

it’s simply too mundane idea that a really nasty cold emerged

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

What if the infection had been deliberately spread into the USA long before the Americans realised how bad things were ?

The Chinese were buying up medical supplies around the world whilst telling the world things weren’t so bad. They did this to get a jump on getting resources for their country AND make things worse for the world.

I say the opposite. China has a low mortality strain, the USA transformed it into the high mortality strain. What if the USA deliberately spread the high mortality strain to other countries? To Canada and Mexico for starters, that’s a given. Possibly also Spain, France, Italy and the UK.

Don’t underestimate the deviousness of US Black Ops.

bangs head onto desk

I hope that was mwf’s head.

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

What if the infection had been deliberately spread into the USA long before the Americans realised how bad things were ?

The Chinese were buying up medical supplies around the world whilst telling the world things weren’t so bad. They did this to get a jump on getting resources for their country AND make things worse for the world.

I say the opposite. China has a low mortality strain, the USA transformed it into the high mortality strain. What if the USA deliberately spread the high mortality strain to other countries? To Canada and Mexico for starters, that’s a given. Possibly also Spain, France, Italy and the UK.

Don’t underestimate the deviousness of US Black Ops.

What evidence is there for different strains?

sarahs mum said:

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

What if the infection had been deliberately spread into the USA long before the Americans realised how bad things were ?

The Chinese were buying up medical supplies around the world whilst telling the world things weren’t so bad. They did this to get a jump on getting resources for their country AND make things worse for the world.

I say the opposite. China has a low mortality strain, the USA transformed it into the high mortality strain. What if the USA deliberately spread the high mortality strain to other countries? To Canada and Mexico for starters, that’s a given. Possibly also Spain, France, Italy and the UK.

Don’t underestimate the deviousness of US Black Ops.

What evidence is there for different strains?

Almost zero.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

mollwollfumble said:

I say the opposite. China has a low mortality strain, the USA transformed it into the high mortality strain. What if the USA deliberately spread the high mortality strain to other countries? To Canada and Mexico for starters, that’s a given. Possibly also Spain, France, Italy and the UK.

Don’t underestimate the deviousness of US Black Ops.

What evidence is there for different strains?

Almost zero.

>>The team used data from virus genomes sampled from across the world between 24 December 2019 and 4 March 2020. The research revealed three distinct “variants” of COVID-19, consisting of clusters of closely related lineages, which they label ‘A’, ‘B’ and ‘C’.

Forster and colleagues found that the closest type of COVID-19 to the one discovered in bats — type ‘A’, the “original human virus genome” — was present in Wuhan, but surprisingly was not the city’s predominant virus type.

Mutated versions of ‘A’ were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.

Wuhan’s major virus type, ‘B’, was prevalent in patients from across East Asia. However, the variant didn’t travel much beyond the region without further mutations — implying a “founder event” in Wuhan, or “resistance” against this type of COVID-19 outside East Asia, say researchers.

The ‘C’ variant is the major European type, found in early patients from France, Italy, Sweden and England. It is absent from the study’s Chinese mainland sample, but seen in Singapore, Hong Kong and South Korea.<<

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200409085644.htm

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

What evidence is there for different strains?

Almost zero.

>>The team used data from virus genomes sampled from across the world between 24 December 2019 and 4 March 2020. The research revealed three distinct “variants” of COVID-19, consisting of clusters of closely related lineages, which they label ‘A’, ‘B’ and ‘C’.

Forster and colleagues found that the closest type of COVID-19 to the one discovered in bats — type ‘A’, the “original human virus genome” — was present in Wuhan, but surprisingly was not the city’s predominant virus type.

Mutated versions of ‘A’ were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.

Wuhan’s major virus type, ‘B’, was prevalent in patients from across East Asia. However, the variant didn’t travel much beyond the region without further mutations — implying a “founder event” in Wuhan, or “resistance” against this type of COVID-19 outside East Asia, say researchers.

The ‘C’ variant is the major European type, found in early patients from France, Italy, Sweden and England. It is absent from the study’s Chinese mainland sample, but seen in Singapore, Hong Kong and South Korea.<<

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200409085644.htm

hmmm. ta.

China was still allowing flights out of Wuhan when they knew a flu was brewing and killing them.

The idea was to spread the flu

wookiemeister said:

China was still allowing flights out of Wuhan when they knew a flu was brewing and killing them.

The idea was to spread the flu

It’s not ‘the flu’. It’s a new coronavirus.

Probably wishful thinking to presume there are no strain variations, unless we choose to deny mutation as well.

Per the sanitation-virulence hypothesis, we would fully expect that a country taking few measures to limit the spread of disease would evolve a higher mortality strain.

wookiemeister said:

China was still allowing flights out of Wuhan when they knew a flu was brewing and killing them.

The idea was to spread the flu

Ha! China was testing the body temperature of everyone who got on those flights. No-one with a fever got on, even if the fever had nothing to do with coronavirus.

It’s the exact same strategy my local Chemist Warehouse was using yesterday.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

China was still allowing flights out of Wuhan when they knew a flu was brewing and killing them.

The idea was to spread the flu

It’s not ‘the flu’. It’s a new coronavirus.

Hi Wookie ltns.

monkey skipper said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

China was still allowing flights out of Wuhan when they knew a flu was brewing and killing them.

The idea was to spread the flu

It’s not ‘the flu’. It’s a new coronavirus.

Hi Wookie ltns.

He’s been on secondment to the Russian government formulating their planned invasion of Turkey as I understand it.

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

What evidence is there for different strains?

Almost zero.

>>The team used data from virus genomes sampled from across the world between 24 December 2019 and 4 March 2020. The research revealed three distinct “variants” of COVID-19, consisting of clusters of closely related lineages, which they label ‘A’, ‘B’ and ‘C’.

Forster and colleagues found that the closest type of COVID-19 to the one discovered in bats — type ‘A’, the “original human virus genome” — was present in Wuhan, but surprisingly was not the city’s predominant virus type.

Mutated versions of ‘A’ were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.

Wuhan’s major virus type, ‘B’, was prevalent in patients from across East Asia. However, the variant didn’t travel much beyond the region without further mutations — implying a “founder event” in Wuhan, or “resistance” against this type of COVID-19 outside East Asia, say researchers.

The ‘C’ variant is the major European type, found in early patients from France, Italy, Sweden and England. It is absent from the study’s Chinese mainland sample, but seen in Singapore, Hong Kong and South Korea.<<

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200409085644.htm

>>Variant ‘A’, most closely related to the virus found in both bats and pangolins, is described as “the root of the outbreak” by researchers. Type ‘B’ is derived from ‘A’, separated by two mutations, then ‘C’ is in turn a “daughter” of ‘B’.

Researchers say the localisation of the ‘B’ variant to East Asia could result from a “founder effect”: a genetic bottleneck that occurs when, in the case of a virus, a new type is established from a small, isolated group of infections.

Forster argues that there is another explanation worth considering. “The Wuhan B-type virus could be immunologically or environmentally adapted to a large section of the East Asian population. It may need to mutate to overcome resistance outside East Asia. We seem to see a slower mutation rate in East Asia than elsewhere, in this initial phase.”

He added: “The viral network we have detailed is a snapshot of the early stages of an epidemic, before the evolutionary paths of COVID-19 become obscured by vast numbers of mutations. It’s like catching an incipient supernova in the act.”<<

Witty Rejoinder said:

monkey skipper said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s not ‘the flu’. It’s a new coronavirus.

Hi Wookie ltns.

He’s been on secondment to the Russian government formulating their planned invasion of Turkey as I understand it.

That operation if went ahead should be over now.

or did it get bogged down, that happens a lot.

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

China was still allowing flights out of Wuhan when they knew a flu was brewing and killing them.

The idea was to spread the flu

Ha! China was testing the body temperature of everyone who got on those flights. No-one with a fever got on, even if the fever had nothing to do with coronavirus.

It’s the exact same strategy my local Chemist Warehouse was using yesterday.

get real, that Police State stuff is for ASIANS, we don’t do that here

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

Almost zero.

>>The team used data from virus genomes sampled from across the world between 24 December 2019 and 4 March 2020. The research revealed three distinct “variants” of COVID-19, consisting of clusters of closely related lineages, which they label ‘A’, ‘B’ and ‘C’.

Forster and colleagues found that the closest type of COVID-19 to the one discovered in bats — type ‘A’, the “original human virus genome” — was present in Wuhan, but surprisingly was not the city’s predominant virus type.

Mutated versions of ‘A’ were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.

Wuhan’s major virus type, ‘B’, was prevalent in patients from across East Asia. However, the variant didn’t travel much beyond the region without further mutations — implying a “founder event” in Wuhan, or “resistance” against this type of COVID-19 outside East Asia, say researchers.

The ‘C’ variant is the major European type, found in early patients from France, Italy, Sweden and England. It is absent from the study’s Chinese mainland sample, but seen in Singapore, Hong Kong and South Korea.<<

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200409085644.htm

>>Variant ‘A’, most closely related to the virus found in both bats and pangolins, is described as “the root of the outbreak” by researchers. Type ‘B’ is derived from ‘A’, separated by two mutations, then ‘C’ is in turn a “daughter” of ‘B’.

Researchers say the localisation of the ‘B’ variant to East Asia could result from a “founder effect”: a genetic bottleneck that occurs when, in the case of a virus, a new type is established from a small, isolated group of infections.

Forster argues that there is another explanation worth considering. “The Wuhan B-type virus could be immunologically or environmentally adapted to a large section of the East Asian population. It may need to mutate to overcome resistance outside East Asia. We seem to see a slower mutation rate in East Asia than elsewhere, in this initial phase.”

He added: “The viral network we have detailed is a snapshot of the early stages of an epidemic, before the evolutionary paths of COVID-19 become obscured by vast numbers of mutations. It’s like catching an incipient supernova in the act.”<<

Vast numbers of mutations doesn’t make it sound good for a vaccine.

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

>>The team used data from virus genomes sampled from across the world between 24 December 2019 and 4 March 2020. The research revealed three distinct “variants” of COVID-19, consisting of clusters of closely related lineages, which they label ‘A’, ‘B’ and ‘C’.

Forster and colleagues found that the closest type of COVID-19 to the one discovered in bats — type ‘A’, the “original human virus genome” — was present in Wuhan, but surprisingly was not the city’s predominant virus type.

Mutated versions of ‘A’ were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.

Wuhan’s major virus type, ‘B’, was prevalent in patients from across East Asia. However, the variant didn’t travel much beyond the region without further mutations — implying a “founder event” in Wuhan, or “resistance” against this type of COVID-19 outside East Asia, say researchers.

The ‘C’ variant is the major European type, found in early patients from France, Italy, Sweden and England. It is absent from the study’s Chinese mainland sample, but seen in Singapore, Hong Kong and South Korea.<<

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200409085644.htm

>>Variant ‘A’, most closely related to the virus found in both bats and pangolins, is described as “the root of the outbreak” by researchers. Type ‘B’ is derived from ‘A’, separated by two mutations, then ‘C’ is in turn a “daughter” of ‘B’.

Researchers say the localisation of the ‘B’ variant to East Asia could result from a “founder effect”: a genetic bottleneck that occurs when, in the case of a virus, a new type is established from a small, isolated group of infections.

Forster argues that there is another explanation worth considering. “The Wuhan B-type virus could be immunologically or environmentally adapted to a large section of the East Asian population. It may need to mutate to overcome resistance outside East Asia. We seem to see a slower mutation rate in East Asia than elsewhere, in this initial phase.”

He added: “The viral network we have detailed is a snapshot of the early stages of an epidemic, before the evolutionary paths of COVID-19 become obscured by vast numbers of mutations. It’s like catching an incipient supernova in the act.”<<

Vast numbers of mutations doesn’t make it sound good for a vaccine.

they say the spike protein is well conserved

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

>>The team used data from virus genomes sampled from across the world between 24 December 2019 and 4 March 2020. The research revealed three distinct “variants” of COVID-19, consisting of clusters of closely related lineages, which they label ‘A’, ‘B’ and ‘C’.

Forster and colleagues found that the closest type of COVID-19 to the one discovered in bats — type ‘A’, the “original human virus genome” — was present in Wuhan, but surprisingly was not the city’s predominant virus type.

Mutated versions of ‘A’ were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.

Wuhan’s major virus type, ‘B’, was prevalent in patients from across East Asia. However, the variant didn’t travel much beyond the region without further mutations — implying a “founder event” in Wuhan, or “resistance” against this type of COVID-19 outside East Asia, say researchers.

The ‘C’ variant is the major European type, found in early patients from France, Italy, Sweden and England. It is absent from the study’s Chinese mainland sample, but seen in Singapore, Hong Kong and South Korea.<<

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200409085644.htm

>>Variant ‘A’, most closely related to the virus found in both bats and pangolins, is described as “the root of the outbreak” by researchers. Type ‘B’ is derived from ‘A’, separated by two mutations, then ‘C’ is in turn a “daughter” of ‘B’.

Researchers say the localisation of the ‘B’ variant to East Asia could result from a “founder effect”: a genetic bottleneck that occurs when, in the case of a virus, a new type is established from a small, isolated group of infections.

Forster argues that there is another explanation worth considering. “The Wuhan B-type virus could be immunologically or environmentally adapted to a large section of the East Asian population. It may need to mutate to overcome resistance outside East Asia. We seem to see a slower mutation rate in East Asia than elsewhere, in this initial phase.”

He added: “The viral network we have detailed is a snapshot of the early stages of an epidemic, before the evolutionary paths of COVID-19 become obscured by vast numbers of mutations. It’s like catching an incipient supernova in the act.”<<

Vast numbers of mutations doesn’t make it sound good for a vaccine.

Not found one for the common cold yet.

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

>>Variant ‘A’, most closely related to the virus found in both bats and pangolins, is described as “the root of the outbreak” by researchers. Type ‘B’ is derived from ‘A’, separated by two mutations, then ‘C’ is in turn a “daughter” of ‘B’.

Researchers say the localisation of the ‘B’ variant to East Asia could result from a “founder effect”: a genetic bottleneck that occurs when, in the case of a virus, a new type is established from a small, isolated group of infections.

Forster argues that there is another explanation worth considering. “The Wuhan B-type virus could be immunologically or environmentally adapted to a large section of the East Asian population. It may need to mutate to overcome resistance outside East Asia. We seem to see a slower mutation rate in East Asia than elsewhere, in this initial phase.”

He added: “The viral network we have detailed is a snapshot of the early stages of an epidemic, before the evolutionary paths of COVID-19 become obscured by vast numbers of mutations. It’s like catching an incipient supernova in the act.”<<

Vast numbers of mutations doesn’t make it sound good for a vaccine.

Not found one for the common cold yet.

that’s because “the common” cold has very little in common, whereas “coronaviruses” are all coronaviruses

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

Vast numbers of mutations doesn’t make it sound good for a vaccine.

Not found one for the common cold yet.

that’s because “the common” cold has very little in common, whereas “coronaviruses” are all coronaviruses

So is the common cold:

>>Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.<<

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Diseases_caused

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Not found one for the common cold yet.

that’s because “the common” cold has very little in common, whereas “coronaviruses” are all coronaviruses

So is the common cold:

>>Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.<<

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Diseases_caused

Rhinoviruses and coronaviruses are recognized as the major causes of the common cold syndrome.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12001053

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Not found one for the common cold yet.

that’s because “the common” cold has very little in common, whereas “coronaviruses” are all coronaviruses

So is the common cold:

>>Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.<<

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Diseases_caused

Why cure (eliminate?) an illness that’s generally just an uncomfortable inconvenience, when there’s such a market for temporary relief medications?

captain_spalding said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

that’s because “the common” cold has very little in common, whereas “coronaviruses” are all coronaviruses

So is the common cold:

>>Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.<<

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Diseases_caused

Why cure (eliminate?) an illness that’s generally just an uncomfortable inconvenience, when there’s such a market for temporary relief medications?

>>These data suggest that rhinoviruses and coronaviruses may be associated with serious respiratory illnesses in frail older adults.<<

J Infect Dis. 2002 May 1;185(9):1338-41. Epub 2002 Apr 16.

PermeateFree said:

captain_spalding said:

PermeateFree said:

So is the common cold:

>>Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.<<

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Diseases_caused

Why cure (eliminate?) an illness that’s generally just an uncomfortable inconvenience, when there’s such a market for temporary relief medications?

>>These data suggest that rhinoviruses and coronaviruses may be associated with serious respiratory illnesses in frail older adults.<<

J Infect Dis. 2002 May 1;185(9):1338-41. Epub 2002 Apr 16.

I did say generally…

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

that’s because “the common” cold has very little in common, whereas “coronaviruses” are all coronaviruses

So is the common cold:

>>Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.<<

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Diseases_caused

Rhinoviruses and coronaviruses are recognized as the major causes of the common cold syndrome.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12001053

so the common cold isn’t coronavirus at all, it’s disease caused by a whole bunch of viruses, of which 20% are coronavirus, and rhinoviruses are probably more, perhaps at least 30%, if we are to take “major” as “majority” which implies over 50%, thanks

captain_spalding said:

PermeateFree said:

captain_spalding said:

Why cure (eliminate?) an illness that’s generally just an uncomfortable inconvenience, when there’s such a market for temporary relief medications?

>>These data suggest that rhinoviruses and coronaviruses may be associated with serious respiratory illnesses in frail older adults.<<

J Infect Dis. 2002 May 1;185(9):1338-41. Epub 2002 Apr 16.

I did say generally…

Like the current Coronavirus Pandemic, some types are worse than others and affect people differently.

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

So is the common cold:

>>Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.<<

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Diseases_caused

Rhinoviruses and coronaviruses are recognized as the major causes of the common cold syndrome.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12001053

so the common cold isn’t coronavirus at all, it’s disease caused by a whole bunch of viruses, of which 20% are coronavirus, and rhinoviruses are probably more, perhaps at least 30%, if we are to take “major” as “majority” which implies over 50%, thanks

Think you might have to start reading the references I give, as they are far more informative than me.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Rhinoviruses and coronaviruses are recognized as the major causes of the common cold syndrome.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12001053

so the common cold isn’t coronavirus at all, it’s disease caused by a whole bunch of viruses, of which 20% are coronavirus, and rhinoviruses are probably more, perhaps at least 30%, if we are to take “major” as “majority” which implies over 50%, thanks

Think you might have to start reading the references I give, as they are far more informative than me.

think before you presume that others haven’t read up on the matter including but not necessarily limited to references you give

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

so the common cold isn’t coronavirus at all, it’s disease caused by a whole bunch of viruses, of which 20% are coronavirus, and rhinoviruses are probably more, perhaps at least 30%, if we are to take “major” as “majority” which implies over 50%, thanks

Think you might have to start reading the references I give, as they are far more informative than me.

think before you presume that others haven’t read up on the matter including but not necessarily limited to references you give

Look mate, the common cold is a coronavirus too, they are related. Like the current pandemic it affects the upper respiratory system and as more than one disease currently can also affect the health of people, so can the common cold. Now days I try only to give scientific references to avoid these silly interactions from people who hold an opinion different to the scientific one.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Think you might have to start reading the references I give, as they are far more informative than me.

think before you presume that others haven’t read up on the matter including but not necessarily limited to references you give

Look mate, the common cold is a coronavirus too, they are related. Like the current pandemic it affects the upper respiratory system and as more than one disease currently can also affect the health of people, so can the common cold. Now days I try only to give scientific references to avoid these silly interactions from people who hold an opinion different to the scientific one.

There is no common cold, It’s a range of infections of which coronaviruses are just one of many.

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

What evidence is there for different strains?

Almost zero.

>>The team used data from virus genomes sampled from across the world between 24 December 2019 and 4 March 2020. The research revealed three distinct “variants” of COVID-19, consisting of clusters of closely related lineages, which they label ‘A’, ‘B’ and ‘C’.

Forster and colleagues found that the closest type of COVID-19 to the one discovered in bats — type ‘A’, the “original human virus genome” — was present in Wuhan, but surprisingly was not the city’s predominant virus type.

Mutated versions of ‘A’ were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.

Wuhan’s major virus type, ‘B’, was prevalent in patients from across East Asia. However, the variant didn’t travel much beyond the region without further mutations — implying a “founder event” in Wuhan, or “resistance” against this type of COVID-19 outside East Asia, say researchers.

The ‘C’ variant is the major European type, found in early patients from France, Italy, Sweden and England. It is absent from the study’s Chinese mainland sample, but seen in Singapore, Hong Kong and South Korea.<<

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200409085644.htm

There’s quite a lot of variants – this virus is mutating. Hence we can track the transmission paths from here to there. For instance, see:

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

What wmf was talking about was low and high mortality strains. There is very little evidence of this. That was the question I was answering.

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

think before you presume that others haven’t read up on the matter including but not necessarily limited to references you give

Look mate, the common cold is a coronavirus too, they are related. Like the current pandemic it affects the upper respiratory system and as more than one disease currently can also affect the health of people, so can the common cold. Now days I try only to give scientific references to avoid these silly interactions from people who hold an opinion different to the scientific one.

There is no common cold, It’s a range of infections of which coronaviruses are just one of many.

Yes, yes, like coronavirus is not an individual disease and is more correctly termed Covid-19. The term Common Cold is another common name that people recognise. Happy now!.

wookiemeister said:

China was still allowing flights out of Wuhan when they knew a flu was brewing and killing them.

The idea was to spread the flu

Fecking nonsense.

Michael V said:

wookiemeister said:

China was still allowing flights out of Wuhan when they knew a flu was brewing and killing them.

The idea was to spread the flu

Fecking nonsense.

Apart from anything else:

This is not a flu. It’s not even in the same phylum as the flu. It’s as closely related to the flu as you are to a pine tree.

dv said:

Michael V said:

wookiemeister said:

China was still allowing flights out of Wuhan when they knew a flu was brewing and killing them.

The idea was to spread the flu

Fecking nonsense.

Apart from anything else:

This is not a flu. It’s not even in the same phylum as the flu. It’s as closely related to the flu as you are to a pine tree.

chuckle

don’t mind me, that’s funny

dv said:

Michael V said:

wookiemeister said:

China was still allowing flights out of Wuhan when they knew a flu was brewing and killing them.

The idea was to spread the flu

Fecking nonsense.

Apart from anything else:

This is not a flu. It’s not even in the same phylum as the flu. It’s as closely related to the flu as you are to a pine tree.

Yes.

transition said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

Fecking nonsense.

Apart from anything else:

This is not a flu. It’s not even in the same phylum as the flu. It’s as closely related to the flu as you are to a pine tree.

chuckle

don’t mind me, that’s funny

We aim to please

Michael V said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

Fecking nonsense.

Apart from anything else:

This is not a flu. It’s not even in the same phylum as the flu. It’s as closely related to the flu as you are to a pine tree.

Yes.

Well, not quite.

There are three types of virus that are quite similar, coronavirus, influenza virus and some other one with curvy spikes.

As a virus it’s about as closely related to the flu as you are to a monkey.

Also, speaking purely about symptoms, it is classed as an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza-like_illness

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Apart from anything else:

This is not a flu. It’s not even in the same phylum as the flu. It’s as closely related to the flu as you are to a pine tree.

Yes.

As a virus it’s about as closely related to the flu as you are to a monkey.

No. Monkeys and humans are in the same phylum.

Flu viruses and coronaviruses are in different phylums Coronaviruses are in the phylum Negarnaviricota: negative-sense single-stranded RNA viruses. Coronaviruses are positive-sense ssRNA.

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Apart from anything else:

This is not a flu. It’s not even in the same phylum as the flu. It’s as closely related to the flu as you are to a pine tree.

Yes.

As a virus it’s about as closely related to the flu as you are to a monkey.

No. Monkeys and humans are in the same phylum.

Flu viruses and coronaviruses are in different phylums Flu viruses are in the phylum Negarnaviricota: negative-sense single-stranded RNA viruses. Coronaviruses are positive-sense ssRNA.

fixed, pardon the braino, correction bolded above

Ok

Let me simplify things for you so there’s no confusion

Its a Chinese bio weapon

wookiemeister said:

Ok

Let me simplify things for you so there’s no confusion

Its a Chinese bio weapon

they did find weapons of mass distraction in eye rack too

wookiemeister said:

Ok

Let me simplify things for you so there’s no confusion

Its a Chinese bio weapon

Well you’ve been wrong before but everyone is right on occasion.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Ok

Let me simplify things for you so there’s no confusion

Its a Chinese bio weapon

Well you’ve been wrong before but everyone is right on occasion.

Look, it’s possible there is also evidence against. I don’t see how you’re so certain, wookiemeister.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Ok

Let me simplify things for you so there’s no confusion

Its a Chinese bio weapon

Well you’ve been wrong before but everyone is right on occasion.

Look, it’s possible there is also evidence against. I don’t see how you’re so certain, wookiemeister.

Easy

The Chinese government sent me a long letter explaining exactly how they did it , all laid out in a legally confessional format signed by Winnie the pooh.

First time : happenchance

Second time : coincidence

Third time : confirmed enemy action

965,933 cases.
54,877 deaths.

17,280 deaths in New York City.

https://youtu.be/wktH8sdPHl0

wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/wktH8sdPHl0

I gave it 12 seconds. All I could bear of Fox News.

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/wktH8sdPHl0

I gave it 12 seconds. All I could bear of Fox News.

It’s interesting how the woowoo are all anti establishment to the extent that they worship the establishment.

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/wktH8sdPHl0

I gave it 12 seconds. All I could bear of Fox News.

It’s interesting how the woowoo are all anti establishment to the extent that they worship the establishment.

RT News is the foshizzle for the facts as they stand. And if you want a contrary opinion try Sputnik.

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/wktH8sdPHl0

I gave it 12 seconds. All I could bear of Fox News.

It’s interesting how the woowoo are all anti establishment to the extent that they worship the establishment.

An interesting conspiracy theory that I can see gaining traction. America seems to be building a cold war relationship with China, maybe to protect its world dominance. A lot more to pan out yet.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

I gave it 12 seconds. All I could bear of Fox News.

It’s interesting how the woowoo are all anti establishment to the extent that they worship the establishment.

An interesting conspiracy theory that I can see gaining traction. America seems to be building a cold war relationship with China, maybe to protect its world dominance. A lot more to pan out yet.

similarly

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-28/hundreds-dead-in-iran-after-drinking-methanol-to-cure-virus/12192582

we have Iran and USA smackdown but yet all these Iranians are taking the Trump advice wtflol

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/wktH8sdPHl0

I gave it 12 seconds. All I could bear of Fox News.

I got a bit further before it made me angry,

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

I gave it 12 seconds. All I could bear of Fox News.

It’s interesting how the woowoo are all anti establishment to the extent that they worship the establishment.

An interesting conspiracy theory that I can see gaining traction. America seems to be building a cold war relationship with China, maybe to protect its world dominance. A lot more to pan out yet.

Oh yeah. China are not a friendly country with well meant intentions. Every country should be planning their slow disengagement from China.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

It’s interesting how the woowoo are all anti establishment to the extent that they worship the establishment.

An interesting conspiracy theory that I can see gaining traction. America seems to be building a cold war relationship with China, maybe to protect its world dominance. A lot more to pan out yet.

Oh yeah. China are not a friendly country with well meant intentions. Every country should be planning their slow disengagement from China.

I think you are asking too much of the world. South Korea and Taiwan were dictatorships until the 1990s and Indonesia even later. Malaysia wasn’t properly democratic til the past year and Vietnam is still a one party state. And what of Singapore? Should we not have engaged with any of them until they were democratic? And what of the middle east?

The best way to encourage other nations to share our values is to engage and trade with them IMO. The millions of Chinese students educated in Australia and other western countries are our best bet for achieving change in their homeland any time soon. IMO of course.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

It’s interesting how the woowoo are all anti establishment to the extent that they worship the establishment.

An interesting conspiracy theory that I can see gaining traction. America seems to be building a cold war relationship with China, maybe to protect its world dominance. A lot more to pan out yet.

Oh yeah. China are not a friendly country with well meant intentions. Every country should be planning their slow disengagement from China.

especially the USA, they should lead by example and we should follow their benevolent lead

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

An interesting conspiracy theory that I can see gaining traction. America seems to be building a cold war relationship with China, maybe to protect its world dominance. A lot more to pan out yet.

Oh yeah. China are not a friendly country with well meant intentions. Every country should be planning their slow disengagement from China.

especially the USA, they should lead by example and we should follow their benevolent lead

We should mistrust everybody except Vanuatu.

we prefer STEMocracy