Here you go. I forgot to do this before.

And for my first question – now we know how to do these drive through testing things, are we going to keep really good stats over the cold and flu season for all the little buggie beasties?

buffy said:

And for my first question – now we know how to do these drive through testing things, are we going to keep really good stats over the cold and flu season for all the little buggie beasties?

I thought we already did that?

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

And for my first question – now we know how to do these drive through testing things, are we going to keep really good stats over the cold and flu season for all the little buggie beasties?

I thought we already did that?

Well I don’t know about where you are, but you are rarely lab tested around here for colds or flu. Most people don’t even bother to go to the doctor. But if you do, you just get told it’s a cold/flu and unless you are otherwise unwell you go home and take your two weeks or a fortnight to get over it.

:)

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

And for my first question – now we know how to do these drive through testing things, are we going to keep really good stats over the cold and flu season for all the little buggie beasties?

I thought we already did that?

Well I don’t know about where you are, but you are rarely lab tested around here for colds or flu. Most people don’t even bother to go to the doctor. But if you do, you just get told it’s a cold/flu and unless you are otherwise unwell you go home and take your two weeks or a fortnight to get over it.

:)

Ahhh, see what you mean.

I suspect Coronaparanoia will drive a higher rate of Flu vaccination and more contact with medicoes.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

I thought we already did that?

Well I don’t know about where you are, but you are rarely lab tested around here for colds or flu. Most people don’t even bother to go to the doctor. But if you do, you just get told it’s a cold/flu and unless you are otherwise unwell you go home and take your two weeks or a fortnight to get over it.

:)

Ahhh, see what you mean.

I suspect Coronaparanoia will drive a higher rate of Flu vaccination and more contact with medicoes.

Mind you, on the two occasions I’ve had flu, I would have been quite incapable of going to the doctor even if it hadn’t been a Bad Idea from the point of the others in the waiting room. I was flattened.

Probably an obvious question, but how does coronavirus testing cope with coronaviruses that are not Covid-19? There are at least a dozen others in common circulation.

http://ncirs.org.au/sites/default/files/2020-04/NCIRS%20NSW%20Schools%20COVID_Summary_FINAL%20public_26%20April%202020.pdf

For those interested, here is the report on COVID-19, staff and students. The whole report is worth a read.

mollwollfumble said:

Probably an obvious question, but how does coronavirus testing cope with coronaviruses that are not Covid-19? There are at least a dozen others in common circulation.

PCR – it has a different genome to other coronaviruses.

If it’s an antibody test (not sure if available yet or not), there are differences in surface proteins, tests target those surface proteins specific to covid19.

poikilotherm said:

mollwollfumble said:

Probably an obvious question, but how does coronavirus testing cope with coronaviruses that are not Covid-19? There are at least a dozen others in common circulation.

PCR – it has a different genome to other coronaviruses.

If it’s an antibody test (not sure if available yet or not), there are differences in surface proteins, tests target those surface proteins specific to covid19.

https://www.labtestsonline.org.au/learning/index-of-conditions/covid-19/learn-more-about-covid-19

mollwollfumble said:

Probably an obvious question, but how does coronavirus testing cope with coronaviruses that are not Covid-19? There are at least a dozen others in common circulation.

This is an early report (January) on how it was intended to be done. I think this was fully implemented after the Doherty Institute was able to isolate SARS-CoV-2 in their Melbourne lab in February.

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/01/phln-guidance-on-laboratory-testing-for-2019-ncov-phln-guidance-on-laboratory-testing-for-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov.pdf

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Well I don’t know about where you are, but you are rarely lab tested around here for colds or flu. Most people don’t even bother to go to the doctor. But if you do, you just get told it’s a cold/flu and unless you are otherwise unwell you go home and take your two weeks or a fortnight to get over it.

:)

Ahhh, see what you mean.

I suspect Coronaparanoia will drive a higher rate of Flu vaccination and more contact with medicoes.

Mind you, on the two occasions I’ve had flu, I would have been quite incapable of going to the doctor even if it hadn’t been a Bad Idea from the point of the others in the waiting room. I was flattened.

Likewise. I’ve had the delirium and everything.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Ahhh, see what you mean.

I suspect Coronaparanoia will drive a higher rate of Flu vaccination and more contact with medicoes.

Mind you, on the two occasions I’ve had flu, I would have been quite incapable of going to the doctor even if it hadn’t been a Bad Idea from the point of the others in the waiting room. I was flattened.

Likewise. I’ve had the delirium and everything.

Pleasant, isn’t it. I remember waking and being unable to move my legs. And the fever was something shocking. The last time, a couple of years ago, I lost muscle strength for about 6 weeks. Not so much you would notice normally, just fatigue, but I was seriously thinking I’d have to get lighter hand weights. And then it just settled. I’m still using my 2.5kg each hand that I have been using for years.

poikilotherm said:

monkey skipper said:

DV you wondered about whether the flu season would be less problematic due to the social distancing in the first (I think) Covid 19 thread.

And ..

Cases of flu plummet to just six a day thanks to social distancing measures compared to six HUNDRED a day this time last year

Eliza Mcphee For Daily Mail Australia 2 hrs ago

Cases of the flu have dropped to an average of just six cases a day compared to more than 600 daily cases this time last year.

Experts believe flu cases have dropped significantly as a result of strict social distancing measures in the wake of coronavirus

Strict social distancing measures brought in to battle coronavirus have meant that cases of seasonal flu have plummeted dramatically.
Measles, whooping cough and chickenpox cases have also fallen this year.

Last year, Australia faced its worst flu season ever with around 900 related deaths and more than 4,000 people hospitalised.

In February there were an average of 244 daily influenza cases sparking fears Australia was in for another bad season but these dropped to just 181 daily cases in March and cases now sit at just six a day – government health data shows.

La Trobe University epidemiologist Hassan Vally said the reduction was ‘dramatic’.
‘It’s clearly as a result of all of the social-distancing measures we’ve got in place, and also that the uptake of the flu vaccine has been amazing for this point of the year,’ he told The Australian.

There are more than 16 million flu vaccines available to Australians this year due to high demand.
Professor Vally said the impacts from social distancing could provide long term benefits.
‘I think our whole society is going to be forever changed as a result of this pandemic,’ he said.

Cases in measles, chickenpox and whooping cough have also fallen dramatically since social distancing measures took place in March.

‘If I was to guess I would suspect that we are going to change our behaviours from this point on. To what extent it reduces these other diseases in the long term is going to be a really interesting question.’

Confirmed cases of measles have dropped to zero this month compared to 21 in January and 45 in March in 2019.
This month Australia has seen just 34 cases of chickenpox as opposed to 270 last April.
Whooping cough cases are sitting at 141 this month compared to 793 cases this time last year.

As people are required to keep 1.5 metres apart, chances of catching infectious diseases like the flu and measles have been reduced

Hopefully not , it’s terrible for the cold and flu aisle at work

/sarc

but how are we going to kill off the old, decrepit, useless losers who are (1) generally expensive to maintain and (2) not productive anyway

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

monkey skipper said:

DV you wondered about whether the flu season would be less problematic due to the social distancing in the first (I think) Covid 19 thread.

And ..

Cases of flu plummet to just six a day thanks to social distancing measures compared to six HUNDRED a day this time last year

Eliza Mcphee For Daily Mail Australia 2 hrs ago

Cases of the flu have dropped to an average of just six cases a day compared to more than 600 daily cases this time last year.

Experts believe flu cases have dropped significantly as a result of strict social distancing measures in the wake of coronavirus

Strict social distancing measures brought in to battle coronavirus have meant that cases of seasonal flu have plummeted dramatically.
Measles, whooping cough and chickenpox cases have also fallen this year.

Last year, Australia faced its worst flu season ever with around 900 related deaths and more than 4,000 people hospitalised.

In February there were an average of 244 daily influenza cases sparking fears Australia was in for another bad season but these dropped to just 181 daily cases in March and cases now sit at just six a day – government health data shows.

La Trobe University epidemiologist Hassan Vally said the reduction was ‘dramatic’.
‘It’s clearly as a result of all of the social-distancing measures we’ve got in place, and also that the uptake of the flu vaccine has been amazing for this point of the year,’ he told The Australian.

There are more than 16 million flu vaccines available to Australians this year due to high demand.
Professor Vally said the impacts from social distancing could provide long term benefits.
‘I think our whole society is going to be forever changed as a result of this pandemic,’ he said.

Cases in measles, chickenpox and whooping cough have also fallen dramatically since social distancing measures took place in March.

‘If I was to guess I would suspect that we are going to change our behaviours from this point on. To what extent it reduces these other diseases in the long term is going to be a really interesting question.’

Confirmed cases of measles have dropped to zero this month compared to 21 in January and 45 in March in 2019.
This month Australia has seen just 34 cases of chickenpox as opposed to 270 last April.
Whooping cough cases are sitting at 141 this month compared to 793 cases this time last year.

As people are required to keep 1.5 metres apart, chances of catching infectious diseases like the flu and measles have been reduced

Hopefully not , it’s terrible for the cold and flu aisle at work

/sarc

but how are we going to kill off the old, decrepit, useless losers who are (1) generally expensive to maintain and (2) not productive anyway

Probably simpler to just vote them out.

Crossed 200000 deaths overnight. The US will pass 1000000 cases Monday or Tuesday. 42% of active cases are in the US now.

dv said:

Crossed 200000 deaths overnight. The US will pass 1000000 cases Monday or Tuesday. 42% of active cases are in the US now.

Meanwhile, I just read on ABC that next weekend, families from the same household will be allowed to have a picnic, or shop for non-essential things like clothes and shoes. There are currently only 98 active cases of COVID in the state.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/coronavirus-queensland-restrictions-eased-premier-announces/12181838

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Crossed 200000 deaths overnight. The US will pass 1000000 cases Monday or Tuesday. 42% of active cases are in the US now.

Meanwhile, I just read on ABC that next weekend, families from the same household will be allowed to have a picnic, or shop for non-essential things like clothes and shoes. There are currently only 98 active cases of COVID in the state.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/coronavirus-queensland-restrictions-eased-premier-announces/12181838

wtf we thought those things were allowed anyway

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Crossed 200000 deaths overnight. The US will pass 1000000 cases Monday or Tuesday. 42% of active cases are in the US now.

Meanwhile, I just read on ABC that next weekend, families from the same household will be allowed to have a picnic, or shop for non-essential things like clothes and shoes. There are currently only 98 active cases of COVID in the state.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/coronavirus-queensland-restrictions-eased-premier-announces/12181838

wtf we thought those things were allowed anyway

It’s not like any clothes or shoe shops are open anyway… except for Kmart and Big W which get away with it because they also sell food. Snack food, but still…

In other news the Australian governmrnt’s COVID-19 tracing app is being launched today.

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Meanwhile, I just read on ABC that next weekend, families from the same household will be allowed to have a picnic, or shop for non-essential things like clothes and shoes. There are currently only 98 active cases of COVID in the state.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/coronavirus-queensland-restrictions-eased-premier-announces/12181838

wtf we thought those things were allowed anyway

It’s not like any clothes or shoe shops are open anyway… except for Kmart and Big W which get away with it because they also sell food. Snack food, but still…

snack food but no picnic makes no sense…

we’ve been driving around most days, out walking around, nobody’s stopped us

so not sure where they’re finding all the people to fine

Some medical experts in Brazil reckon they might have up to a million cases already.

Their testing numbers are quite low for per population basis.

Witty Rejoinder said:

In other news the Australian governmrnt’s COVID-19 tracing app is being launched today.

love it how a multinational profiteering back-door for the USA authorities is the solution that will fix all our infectious diseases problems

but a simple face mask for medical reasons that will help to conceal our identities from the Party is completely useless against the virus and not recommended at all

Divine Angel said:

It’s not like any clothes or shoe shops are open anyway… except for Kmart and Big W which get away with it because they also sell food. Snack food, but still…

jigsaw puzzles, home gym equipment and cheap Chinese bikes are “essential supplies” in these times.

Witty Rejoinder said:

In other news the Australian governmrnt’s COVID-19 tracing app is being launched today.

We do our grocery shopping fortnightly, and I do mum’s shopping weekly. That’s the only times we’ve used the car. We go for daily walks along the bike path. Everybody and their dog (literally) are either out walking or cycling. Kids are still hiding rocks along Fairy Way.

Divine Angel said:

We do our grocery shopping fortnightly, and I do mum’s shopping weekly. That’s the only times we’ve used the car. We go for daily walks along the bike path. Everybody and their dog (literally) are either out walking or cycling. Kids are still hiding rocks along Fairy Way.

Morning all.
Queensland is relaxing some rules:
From Saturday, May 2, you can:‬
- Go for a drive (within 50km of home)
- Ride a motorbike, jetski or boat for recreation
- Have a picnic
- Visit a national park
- Shop for non-essential items

Outings are limited to members of the same household or an individual and one friend.

All rules regarding social gatherings and limits on visitors remain in place.

Divine Angel said:

We do our grocery shopping fortnightly, and I do mum’s shopping weekly. That’s the only times we’ve used the car. We go for daily walks along the bike path. Everybody and their dog (literally) are either out walking or cycling. Kids are still hiding rocks along Fairy Way.

I’ve only used the car to go grocery shopping and to take Speedy Jnr for driving lessons. In fact, he’s now at the stage where he can actually park if given enough space, so he is driving to the shops too.

On Friday we discovered the multi-storey carpark for the new Metro, and the first 2 levels had only about 15 cars combined. I assume the other levels had no cars at all, so this will be a great place to head to while he masters his parking skills. Besides, he will have his licence already before there’s another rush for public transport.

Witty Rejoinder said:

In other news the Australian governmrnt’s COVID-19 tracing app is being launched today.

Where are the free and openly available details for the nerds to check the coding?

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

In other news the Australian governmrnt’s COVID-19 tracing app is being launched today.

Where are the free and openly available details for the nerds to check the coding?

Somewhere i guess. It has been organised quickly.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

In other news the Australian governmrnt’s COVID-19 tracing app is being launched today.

Where are the free and openly available details for the nerds to check the coding?

Somewhere i guess. It has been organised quickly.

If it is still going to store my data on Amamzon servers in the US I’m not buying in. I don’t trust Amazon nor the US givernment with my data.

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Where are the free and openly available details for the nerds to check the coding?

Somewhere i guess. It has been organised quickly.

If it is still going to store my data on Amamzon servers in the US I’m not buying in. I don’t trust Amazon nor the US givernment with my data.

The Amazon connection is a bit of an own goal.

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Where are the free and openly available details for the nerds to check the coding?

Somewhere i guess. It has been organised quickly.

If it is still going to store my data on Amamzon servers in the US I’m not buying in. I don’t trust Amazon nor the US givernment with my data.

Amazon has large data centres right in this country.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

In other news the Australian governmrnt’s COVID-19 tracing app is being launched today.

Where are the free and openly available details for the nerds hax0rz to check exploit the coding?

let’s go

News reports to date have indicated the source code was to be open. There is also to be some legislation, but there is no parliament at the moment. But it is to be launched today. Are we all happy now?

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Somewhere i guess. It has been organised quickly.

If it is still going to store my data on Amamzon servers in the US I’m not buying in. I don’t trust Amazon nor the US givernment with my data.

Amazon has large data centres right in this country.

maybe but they have wires and stuff connecting them to the US ones.

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Somewhere i guess. It has been organised quickly.

If it is still going to store my data on Amamzon servers in the US I’m not buying in. I don’t trust Amazon nor the US givernment with my data.

The Amazon connection is a bit of an own goal.

But there will be protective legislation. When there is a parliament sitting again. Just not now, while we are launching it.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/new-laws-to-cover-coronavirus-app-after-fears-police-could-access-data-20200423-p54mmr.html

JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

If it is still going to store my data on Amamzon servers in the US I’m not buying in. I don’t trust Amazon nor the US givernment with my data.

Amazon has large data centres right in this country.

maybe but they have wires and stuff connecting them to the US ones.

Oh, it doesn’t matter where the data is actually stored, under USA law Amazon has to hand over the data to a US agency that has served them a warrant for such data.

I was just pointing out that Amazon has some quite big data centres located in Sydney and that’s where the data will be stored I imagine.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/26/australias-coronavirus-tracing-app-set-to-launch-today-despite-lingering-privacy-concerns

There you go…>>Dutton told Sky News the app was like a digital diary of who people had been in contact with, and that concerns about privacy were unwarranted.<< You’ve got to be happy with that!

sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

Amazon has large data centres right in this country.

maybe but they have wires and stuff connecting them to the US ones.

Oh, it doesn’t matter where the data is actually stored, under USA law Amazon has to hand over the data to a US agency that has served them a warrant for such data.

I was just pointing out that Amazon has some quite big data centres located in Sydney and that’s where the data will be stored I imagine.

if the government tries, or looks like making any system mandatory, have people plugged in, via phones, I will, in a flash, get rid of my phone, brush the dust off a few selcall CB radio

this creeping techno-expansionism, bent on getting everyone plugged in, it has about as much memory and conscience as money does

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Somewhere i guess. It has been organised quickly.

If it is still going to store my data on Amamzon servers in the US I’m not buying in. I don’t trust Amazon nor the US givernment with my data.

Amazon has large data centres right in this country.

are you going to install the app?

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

If it is still going to store my data on Amamzon servers in the US I’m not buying in. I don’t trust Amazon nor the US givernment with my data.

Amazon has large data centres right in this country.

are you going to install the app?

No :)

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Amazon has large data centres right in this country.

are you going to install the app?

No :)

Thankfully you all report the minuitue of your lives on a public forum so the government already knows all about you.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

are you going to install the app?

No :)

Thankfully you all report the minuitue of your lives on a public forum so the government already knows all about you.

Must be a sad life, being a government agent tracking us.

sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

Amazon has large data centres right in this country.

maybe but they have wires and stuff connecting them to the US ones.

Oh, it doesn’t matter where the data is actually stored, under USA law Amazon has to hand over the data to a US agency that has served them a warrant for such data.

I was just pointing out that Amazon has some quite big data centres located in Sydney and that’s where the data will be stored I imagine.

The objection was to Amazon, the company. Not the physical location of the servers.

The problem of Amazon server outbreaks in Sydney can be solved with a moderate amount of anfo.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

are you going to install the app?

No :)

Thankfully you all report the minuitue of your lives on a public forum so the government already knows all about you.

They may know what I had for lunch but they cannot be sure of the where.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

No :)

Thankfully you all report the minuitue of your lives on a public forum so the government already knows all about you.

Must be a sad life, being a government agent tracking us.

They have a big file called “Harmless Nutters” All our postings go into it unread.

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

No :)

Thankfully you all report the minuitue of your lives on a public forum so the government already knows all about you.

They may know what I had for lunch but they cannot be sure of the where.

At a macro they would know it is likely to be cheap but tasty.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

No :)

Thankfully you all report the minuitue of your lives on a public forum so the government already knows all about you.

Must be a sad life, being a government agent tracking us.

Shit, they’ll have a file containing all of Boris’s jokes.

The Horror!

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

No :)

Thankfully you all report the minuitue of your lives on a public forum so the government already knows all about you.

Must be a sad life, being a government agent tracking us.

It is only Buffy and Michael V that catch-up read on every post.

Date: 11/04/2020 11:39:01
From: dv
ID: 1536542
Subject: re: Corona Virus April 5 – 11
Hey I ain’t no epidemiologist, and I’m very big on respecting the work of experts but the massively reduced ultimate death count estimate for the US (60000) has got me scratching my head.

As we speak, the daily death count for the US is still increasing. Yesterday it was 2043. The total is 18725. (If the daily death count stayed at that level, they’d reach 60000 within 20 days). In order for the ultimate total to end up at 60000, not only would the daily death count need to stop rising basically immediately, but it would need to drastically drop within a couple of weeks.

https://people.com/health/us-coronavirus-death-projection-reduced-60000/

U.S. Coronavirus Death Projection Reduced to 60,000 Based on Leading Data Model

The U.S. death toll from the new coronavirus, COVID-19, is now projected to be 60,000, a significant drop from earlier projections.

Health officials had said in late March that their leading model, from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, estimated that 100,000 to 200,000 Americans would die by the end of the summer, and that the peak number of deaths would come in the middle of April.

I don’t get much right but (shrugs) seems at least I’m better at this game than the IMHE. Deaths did not decline, and they are still pegging along at ~15000 per week. They are going to punch through 60000 by the end of April. This was always a barmy prediction.

sibeen said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Thankfully you all report the minuitue of your lives on a public forum so the government already knows all about you.

Must be a sad life, being a government agent tracking us.

Shit, they’ll have a file containing all of Boris’s jokes.

The Horror!

Imagine the agent assigned to RB, nuffin to do all die than test anti adware,

sibeen said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Thankfully you all report the minuitue of your lives on a public forum so the government already knows all about you.

Must be a sad life, being a government agent tracking us.

Shit, they’ll have a file containing all of Boris’s jokes.

The Horror!

The lucky, lucky bastards. That’ll be worth a mint in the future.

JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

Must be a sad life, being a government agent tracking us.

Shit, they’ll have a file containing all of Boris’s jokes.

The Horror!

The lucky, lucky bastards. That’ll be worth a mint in the future.

JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

Shit, they’ll have a file containing all of Boris’s jokes.

The Horror!

The lucky, lucky bastards. That’ll be worth a mint in the future.

I was thinking it could be some kind of doomsday weapon. Currently there are agents translating all of Boris’s jokes into Korean.

dv said:

JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

The lucky, lucky bastards. That’ll be worth a mint in the future.

I was thinking it could be some kind of doomsday weapon. Currently there are agents translating all of Boris’s jokes into Korean.

I heard that too and that they have to replace the agents every 10 minutes because they have died laughing.

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

JudgeMental said:

I was thinking it could be some kind of doomsday weapon. Currently there are agents translating all of Boris’s jokes into Korean.

I heard that too and that they have to replace the agents every 10 minutes because they have died laughing.

I heard that they found that the jokes defied translation.

Tamb said:

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

I was thinking it could be some kind of doomsday weapon. Currently there are agents translating all of Boris’s jokes into Korean.

I heard that too and that they have to replace the agents every 10 minutes because they have died laughing.

I heard that they found that the jokes defied translation.

Both of them?

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

JudgeMental said:

I heard that too and that they have to replace the agents every 10 minutes because they have died laughing.

I heard that they found that the jokes defied translation.

Both of them?

Something about they weren’t funny in English.

dv said:

JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

The lucky, lucky bastards. That’ll be worth a mint in the future.

I was thinking it could be some kind of doomsday weapon. Currently there are agents translating all of Boris’s jokes into Korean.

Boris’ jokes have already been translated into German. As a weapon of war!

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hwqqd

sibeen said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Thankfully you all report the minuitue of your lives on a public forum so the government already knows all about you.

Must be a sad life, being a government agent tracking us.

Shit, they’ll have a file containing all of Boris’s jokes.

The Horror!

Serves them right.

https://www.health.gov.au/using-our-websites/privacy/privacy-policy-for-covidsafe-app

Whoopsie.

Coronavirus ‘victim’ found alive after family thought they cremated her in hospital mix-up

Yury Garcia & Anna MacSwan 1 hour ago

Motion of condolence passed for fallen police officers

Alba Maruri, 74, was thought to have died from coronavirus

A woman thought to have died from coronavirus has been found alive after a hospital mix-up.

The mistake was discovered weeks after the family of Alba Maruri, from Guayaquil in Ecuador, thought they had cremated her.
The 74-year-old had been admitted to an intensive care unit on March 27 after becoming struck down with suspected COVID-19.
She had been suffering a high fever and difficulty breathing, and in a case of mistaken identity, medics at the Abel Gilbert Ponton Hospital told her family she died later that day.

A week later, health authorities gave Ms Maruri’s family what they thought were her remains.

Sanitary workers have been struggling to manage the growing number of bodies But on Friday, the family were shocked when health workers came to their home to tell them she was, in fact, alive and making a recovery. Speaking to Reuters, Ms Maruri’s sister Aura said: “An ambulance arrived with a doctor, a psychiatrist and the social worker. “They apologized, and they tell us ‘Your sister is alive,’ and we were in shock. “It is a miracle of God what has happened. Guayaquil is the centre of Ecuador’s coronavirus outbreak “There was a failure by the hospital.”

The family are now left with the ashes of the person whose body they were delivered by mistake, which are contained in a metal chest.
Aura added that she does not know what to do with the remains.
Her sister, who is suspected of having COVID-19 but has not been tested, is still being treated in hospital but is no longer in intensive care.
Sanitary workers in Ecuador have been struggling to collect and identify the growing number of bodies as COVID-19 has overwhelmed the health system.

Guayaquil is the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in Ecuador, which has recorded nearly 23,000 cases and 576 confirmed deaths.
A further 1,060 people who are suspected to have died from the deadly bug.
The country’s Health Minister Juan Carlos Zevallos told reporters that the case was under investigation.

monkey skipper said:

Whoopsie.

Coronavirus ‘victim’ found alive after family thought they cremated her in hospital mix-up

Yury Garcia & Anna MacSwan 1 hour ago

Motion of condolence passed for fallen police officers

Alba Maruri, 74, was thought to have died from coronavirus

A woman thought to have died from coronavirus has been found alive after a hospital mix-up.

The mistake was discovered weeks after the family of Alba Maruri, from Guayaquil in Ecuador, thought they had cremated her.
The 74-year-old had been admitted to an intensive care unit on March 27 after becoming struck down with suspected COVID-19.
She had been suffering a high fever and difficulty breathing, and in a case of mistaken identity, medics at the Abel Gilbert Ponton Hospital told her family she died later that day.

A week later, health authorities gave Ms Maruri’s family what they thought were her remains.

Sanitary workers have been struggling to manage the growing number of bodies But on Friday, the family were shocked when health workers came to their home to tell them she was, in fact, alive and making a recovery. Speaking to Reuters, Ms Maruri’s sister Aura said: “An ambulance arrived with a doctor, a psychiatrist and the social worker. “They apologized, and they tell us ‘Your sister is alive,’ and we were in shock. “It is a miracle of God what has happened. Guayaquil is the centre of Ecuador’s coronavirus outbreak “There was a failure by the hospital.”

The family are now left with the ashes of the person whose body they were delivered by mistake, which are contained in a metal chest.
Aura added that she does not know what to do with the remains.
Her sister, who is suspected of having COVID-19 but has not been tested, is still being treated in hospital but is no longer in intensive care.
Sanitary workers in Ecuador have been struggling to collect and identify the growing number of bodies as COVID-19 has overwhelmed the health system.

Guayaquil is the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in Ecuador, which has recorded nearly 23,000 cases and 576 confirmed deaths.
A further 1,060 people who are suspected to have died from the deadly bug.
The country’s Health Minister Juan Carlos Zevallos told reporters that the case was under investigation.

https://youtu.be/Jdf5EXo6I68

monkey skipper said:

Whoopsie.

Coronavirus ‘victim’ found alive after family thought they cremated her in hospital mix-up

Yury Garcia & Anna MacSwan 1 hour ago

Motion of condolence passed for fallen police officers

Alba Maruri, 74, was thought to have died from coronavirus

A woman thought to have died from coronavirus has been found alive after a hospital mix-up.

The mistake was discovered weeks after the family of Alba Maruri, from Guayaquil in Ecuador, thought they had cremated her.
The 74-year-old had been admitted to an intensive care unit on March 27 after becoming struck down with suspected COVID-19.
She had been suffering a high fever and difficulty breathing, and in a case of mistaken identity, medics at the Abel Gilbert Ponton Hospital told her family she died later that day.

A week later, health authorities gave Ms Maruri’s family what they thought were her remains.

Sanitary workers have been struggling to manage the growing number of bodies But on Friday, the family were shocked when health workers came to their home to tell them she was, in fact, alive and making a recovery. Speaking to Reuters, Ms Maruri’s sister Aura said: “An ambulance arrived with a doctor, a psychiatrist and the social worker. “They apologized, and they tell us ‘Your sister is alive,’ and we were in shock. “It is a miracle of God what has happened. Guayaquil is the centre of Ecuador’s coronavirus outbreak “There was a failure by the hospital.”

The family are now left with the ashes of the person whose body they were delivered by mistake, which are contained in a metal chest.
Aura added that she does not know what to do with the remains.
Her sister, who is suspected of having COVID-19 but has not been tested, is still being treated in hospital but is no longer in intensive care.
Sanitary workers in Ecuador have been struggling to collect and identify the growing number of bodies as COVID-19 has overwhelmed the health system.

Guayaquil is the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in Ecuador, which has recorded nearly 23,000 cases and 576 confirmed deaths.
A further 1,060 people who are suspected to have died from the deadly bug.
The country’s Health Minister Juan Carlos Zevallos told reporters that the case was under investigation.

Not everything is going to be done perfectly when people get tired, stressed and overworked.

monkey skipper said:

Her sister, who is suspected of having COVID-19 but has not been tested, is still being treated in hospital but is no longer in intensive care.

Say wah?? Not tested?? In intensive care??? And not tested???

Then who the fuck ARE they testing?

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

Whoopsie.

Coronavirus ‘victim’ found alive after family thought they cremated her in hospital mix-up

Yury Garcia & Anna MacSwan 1 hour ago

Motion of condolence passed for fallen police officers

Alba Maruri, 74, was thought to have died from coronavirus

A woman thought to have died from coronavirus has been found alive after a hospital mix-up.

Not everything is going to be done perfectly when people get tired, stressed and overworked.

Yes overall could be seen as a good news story.

Woodie said:

monkey skipper said:

Her sister, who is suspected of having COVID-19 but has not been tested, is still being treated in hospital but is no longer in intensive care.

Say wah?? Not tested?? In intensive care??? And not tested???

Then who the fuck ARE they testing?

They might be saving the tests for those walking around the streets possibly infecting others. My guess is they test patients before they leave regardless of their admission cause to ensure they leave covid 19 free.

Coronavirus restrictions will ease in Queensland from next Friday, the Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says.

“Because we have done such a terrific job of flattening the curve, after discussions with the Chief Health Officer, from next Friday we will be able to lift some of the stay-at-home restrictions,” Ms Palaszczuk said.

“From midnight on Friday, you will be able to go for a drive,” she said, adding that people must remain within 50 kilometres of their home.
The state has recorded three new coronavirus cases in the past 24 hours, bringing its total number of cases to 1,030.
“Just 98 of those cases are active,” the Health Minister Steven Miles said.

Some of the other changes include allowing families to go on picnics together if they are members of the same household.
Single people will be able to go with one other person.

Shopping for non-essential items like clothes and shoes will also be permitted.
The changes will kick in from midnight on Friday.

It comes after Independent Schools Queensland (ISQ) wrote to the Premier calling for Year 11 and 12 students to be back in the classroom as soon as possible, after other states and territories made the move last week.

It said special consideration should be given to senior secondary students as they were in a critical phase of their education, with the state adopting the ATAR system for tertiary entrance for the first time this year.

ISQ executive director David Robertson said Queensland students should not be disadvantaged compared to their interstate counterparts.
“Senior secondary is a most critical phase of schooling and every effort should be made to have minimal disruption to continuity of quality teaching and learning for these students,” he said.

“Northern Territory are back, Western Australia they’re encouraging them to be back and South Australia, which I think next week they are all being encouraged to be back,” Mr Robertson said.

He said ideally Queensland senior students should be back in the classroom by May 6.

Mr Robertson also wants to see Prep to Year 3 students return to school.
“Whilst this may not be possible in terms of an immediate return, this group should be considered for a return as soon as possible,” he said.

The announcement also followed a jump in the number of people fined for breaching coronavirus health directions in Queensland.
Yesterday 61 notices were issued, compared with 33 in the previous 24 hours.

Police said eight people in their early 20s were fined yesterday for being at a house party in Bowen.
Another six people were issued notices after a hooning incident in Ipswich.

There has also been a spike in the number of people being ordered to quarantine after crossing the Queensland border by road.
In the past 24 hours, more than 1,500 people have been directed into quarantine, compared with 87 on Friday.

>>The central server must store all data in Australia, and it cannot be transferred overseas.<<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/coronavirus-tracing-app-covidsafe-australia-government-covid-19/12186130

Seems to me like a Big Statement.

But apart from that, if we haven’t got all that many cases now, and the ones who have tested positive are at home, this isn’t going to find many contacts, is it?

buffy said:

>>The central server must store all data in Australia, and it cannot be transferred overseas.<<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/coronavirus-tracing-app-covidsafe-australia-government-covid-19/12186130

Seems to me like a Big Statement.

But apart from that, if we haven’t got all that many cases now, and the ones who have tested positive are at home, this isn’t going to find many contacts, is it?

Yes, but if it’s on an Amazon server it can be got at by USA police.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

>>The central server must store all data in Australia, and it cannot be transferred overseas.<<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/coronavirus-tracing-app-covidsafe-australia-government-covid-19/12186130

Seems to me like a Big Statement.

But apart from that, if we haven’t got all that many cases now, and the ones who have tested positive are at home, this isn’t going to find many contacts, is it?

Yes, but if it’s on an Amazon server it can be got at by USA police.

But it doesn’t say that in the news!

buffy said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

>>The central server must store all data in Australia, and it cannot be transferred overseas.<<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/coronavirus-tracing-app-covidsafe-australia-government-covid-19/12186130

Seems to me like a Big Statement.

But apart from that, if we haven’t got all that many cases now, and the ones who have tested positive are at home, this isn’t going to find many contacts, is it?

Yes, but if it’s on an Amazon server it can be got at by USA police.

But it doesn’t say that in the news!

well they link to the leigslative instruments but it doesn’t really say much about state actors or penalty

>>The voluntary app can be downloaded now and people can register their details — even using a fake name if they want — from 6:00pm AEST on Sunday.<<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/coronavirus-tracing-app-covidsafe-australia-covid-19-data/12186068

Is there any point in putting a false name in? You also have to give your phone number, I think. And that is traceable to a name.

buffy said:

>>The voluntary app can be downloaded now and people can register their details — even using a fake name if they want — from 6:00pm AEST on Sunday.<<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/coronavirus-tracing-app-covidsafe-australia-covid-19-data/12186068

Is there any point in putting a false name in? You also have to give your phone number, I think. And that is traceable to a name.

No intelligence agency could possibly get around the cunning use of a false name. Completely defeats them.

Have successfully activated CovidSafe 1.0.11

Witty Rejoinder said:

Have successfully activated CovidSafe 1.0.11

Did you use Witty Rejoinder as your name?

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Have successfully activated CovidSafe 1.0.11

Did you use Witty Rejoinder as your name?

I don’t want the government to connect all the dots.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Have successfully activated CovidSafe 1.0.11

Did you use Witty Rejoinder as your name?

I don’t want the government to connect all the dots.

But you gave them your mobile number…

Witty Rejoinder said:

Have successfully activated CovidSafe 1.0.11

I’m trying to understand why it has to call home every two hours.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Did you use Witty Rejoinder as your name?

I don’t want the government to connect all the dots.

But you gave them your mobile number…

That’s i’m comfortable with… my association with this forum of kooks and eccentrics is something i’d like to keep secret.

:-P

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t want the government to connect all the dots.

But you gave them your mobile number…

That’s i’m comfortable with… my association with this forum of kooks and eccentrics is something i’d like to keep secret.

:-P

Go on. You wouldn’t keep coming here if we weren’t interesting.

:)

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Have successfully activated CovidSafe 1.0.11

I’m trying to understand why it has to call home every two hours.

“How much mobile and Wi-Fi data does COVIDSafe consume?

The app uses less than 1MB of data per day. It does not need to be connected continuously to the Internet to work, but it does need to connect occasionally to retrieve new temporary IDs from the server. This helps to protect your privacy and to collect anonymised analytics data.”

Why does this need to happen?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Have successfully activated CovidSafe 1.0.11

Have you activated All Organs Plus 1.0.0.12

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Have successfully activated CovidSafe 1.0.11

I’m trying to understand why it has to call home every two hours.

“How much mobile and Wi-Fi data does COVIDSafe consume?

The app uses less than 1MB of data per day. It does not need to be connected continuously to the Internet to work, but it does need to connect occasionally to retrieve new temporary IDs from the server. This helps to protect your privacy and to collect anonymised analytics data.”

Why does this need to happen?

to detect any nearby hacking signals COVIDSafe users and tell if they’re at risk

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Have successfully activated CovidSafe 1.0.11

I’m trying to understand why it has to call home every two hours.

Over enthusiastic algorithms I think

should be able to control them in settings.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

I’m trying to understand why it has to call home every two hours.

“How much mobile and Wi-Fi data does COVIDSafe consume?

The app uses less than 1MB of data per day. It does not need to be connected continuously to the Internet to work, but it does need to connect occasionally to retrieve new temporary IDs from the server. This helps to protect your privacy and to collect anonymised analytics data.”

Why does this need to happen?

to detect any nearby hacking signals COVIDSafe users and tell if they’re at risk

I mean seriously. Why does my phone need to do an RT and phone home every two hours?

And what are the implications of this (apart from the fact that it will cost me money – data is expensive on my plan – charged by the Mb).

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Have successfully activated CovidSafe 1.0.11

I’m trying to understand why it has to call home every two hours.

Over enthusiastic algorithms I think

should be able to control them in settings.

we suggest that this “may” be necessary if the data are all stored locally, so they can’t keep track of the movements of each device over longer periods of time, and your device has to itself check whether others are nearby or not

HOWEVER

that may or may not be the actual reason

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“How much mobile and Wi-Fi data does COVIDSafe consume?

The app uses less than 1MB of data per day. It does not need to be connected continuously to the Internet to work, but it does need to connect occasionally to retrieve new temporary IDs from the server. This helps to protect your privacy and to collect anonymised analytics data.”

Why does this need to happen?

to detect any nearby hacking signals COVIDSafe users and tell if they’re at risk

I mean seriously. Why does my phone need to do an RT and phone home every two hours?

And what are the implications of this (apart from the fact that it will cost me money – data is expensive on my plan – charged by the Mb).

Its making sure you’re at home doing social distancing.

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

I’m trying to understand why it has to call home every two hours.

Over enthusiastic algorithms I think

should be able to control them in settings.

we suggest that this “may” be necessary if the data are all stored locally, so they can’t keep track of the movements of each device over longer periods of time, and your device has to itself check whether others are nearby or not

HOWEVER

that may or may not be the actual reason

Sounds reasonable.

Unique ID (UID) x—->UID y—->UID z etc, could chop up the potential for malevolents (local or other) to capture meaningful time-series data.

I’m pretty happy with the legislation. It also seems to negate any back door use of the data (eg Amazon being required to supply the data to US agency for whatever purposes).

7 (3) If COVID app data is uploaded from a mobile telecommunications device to the National COVIDSafe Data Store, a person must not:

(a) retain the data on a database outside Australia; or (b) disclose the data to a person outside Australia.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480

“Biosecurity (Human Biosecurity Emergency) (Human Coronavirus with Pandemic Potential) (Emergency Requirements—Public Health Contact Information) Determination 2020”

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“How much mobile and Wi-Fi data does COVIDSafe consume?

The app uses less than 1MB of data per day. It does not need to be connected continuously to the Internet to work, but it does need to connect occasionally to retrieve new temporary IDs from the server. This helps to protect your privacy and to collect anonymised analytics data.”

Why does this need to happen?

to detect any nearby hacking signals COVIDSafe users and tell if they’re at risk

I mean seriously. Why does my phone need to do an RT and phone home every two hours?

And what are the implications of this (apart from the fact that it will cost me money – data is expensive on my plan – charged by the Mb).

+1 my phone is for talking although it van connect to the web but as you say it is expensive as the plan is geared for talking.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Over enthusiastic algorithms I think

should be able to control them in settings.

we suggest that this “may” be necessary if the data are all stored locally, so they can’t keep track of the movements of each device over longer periods of time, and your device has to itself check whether others are nearby or not

HOWEVER

that may or may not be the actual reason

Sounds reasonable.

Unique ID (UID) x—->UID y—->UID z etc, could chop up the potential for malevolents (local or other) to capture meaningful time-series data.

I found out today that a relative of mrs m lives on the same street as a Covid-19 case from the Ruby Princess. I suppose that’s the sort of tracking they want to do.

Michael V said:

I’m pretty happy with the legislation. It also seems to negate any back door use of the data (eg Amazon being required to supply the data to US agency for whatever purposes).

7 (3) If COVID app data is uploaded from a mobile telecommunications device to the National COVIDSafe Data Store, a person must not:

(a) retain the data on a database outside Australia; or (b) disclose the data to a person outside Australia.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480

“Biosecurity (Human Biosecurity Emergency) (Human Coronavirus with Pandemic Potential) (Emergency Requirements—Public Health Contact Information) Determination 2020”

Yeah, there’s absolutely no way Amazon would cross Australian legislation even if they were told to be a USA law enforcement agency. No way, no way siree.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

I’m pretty happy with the legislation. It also seems to negate any back door use of the data (eg Amazon being required to supply the data to US agency for whatever purposes).

7 (3) If COVID app data is uploaded from a mobile telecommunications device to the National COVIDSafe Data Store, a person must not:

(a) retain the data on a database outside Australia; or (b) disclose the data to a person outside Australia.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480

“Biosecurity (Human Biosecurity Emergency) (Human Coronavirus with Pandemic Potential) (Emergency Requirements—Public Health Contact Information) Determination 2020”

Yeah, there’s absolutely no way Amazon would cross Australian legislation even if they were told to be a USA law enforcement agency. No way, no way siree.

told to by a USA law enforcement agency

fixed

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

I’m pretty happy with the legislation. It also seems to negate any back door use of the data (eg Amazon being required to supply the data to US agency for whatever purposes).

7 (3) If COVID app data is uploaded from a mobile telecommunications device to the National COVIDSafe Data Store, a person must not:

(a) retain the data on a database outside Australia; or (b) disclose the data to a person outside Australia.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480

“Biosecurity (Human Biosecurity Emergency) (Human Coronavirus with Pandemic Potential) (Emergency Requirements—Public Health Contact Information) Determination 2020”

Yeah, there’s absolutely no way Amazon would cross Australian legislation even if they were told to be a USA law enforcement agency. No way, no way siree.

I get what you mean, but the other end – use of the data in Australia is extremely limited, and negates Police Forces or Other Malevolents from using that (illegally acquired) data.

And I honestly cannot see how quite limited, probably chopped up data about me would be any use to any US agency.

I’m still not sure about the “ET phone home” every 2 hours, though…

And where’s the promised source code?

Huh, huh?

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

I’m pretty happy with the legislation. It also seems to negate any back door use of the data (eg Amazon being required to supply the data to US agency for whatever purposes).

7 (3) If COVID app data is uploaded from a mobile telecommunications device to the National COVIDSafe Data Store, a person must not:

(a) retain the data on a database outside Australia; or (b) disclose the data to a person outside Australia.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480

“Biosecurity (Human Biosecurity Emergency) (Human Coronavirus with Pandemic Potential) (Emergency Requirements—Public Health Contact Information) Determination 2020”

Yeah, there’s absolutely no way Amazon would cross Australian legislation even if they were told to be a USA law enforcement agency. No way, no way siree.

I get what you mean, but the other end – use of the data in Australia is extremely limited, and negates Police Forces or Other Malevolents from using that (illegally acquired) data.

And I honestly cannot see how quite limited, probably chopped up data about me would be any use to any US agency.

I’m still not sure about the “ET phone home” every 2 hours, though…

And where’s the promised source code?

Huh, huh?

There was a tech boffin on the news saying it seemed to be pretty secure from what he’d seen so I imagine experts have had a look at it.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Yeah, there’s absolutely no way Amazon would cross Australian legislation even if they were told to be a USA law enforcement agency. No way, no way siree.

I get what you mean, but the other end – use of the data in Australia is extremely limited, and negates Police Forces or Other Malevolents from using that (illegally acquired) data.

And I honestly cannot see how quite limited, probably chopped up data about me would be any use to any US agency.

I’m still not sure about the “ET phone home” every 2 hours, though…

And where’s the promised source code?

Huh, huh?

There was a tech boffin on the news saying it seemed to be pretty secure from what he’d seen so I imagine experts have had a look at it.

Yeah, but any old random tech boffin? I’d like to read the reports of lots of independent tech boffins (including my own son).

I’m sure lots of experts have had a look at it. I mean, there’d been a development team on it for weeks…

If you didn’t watch The Project tonight, Greg Hunt said restrictions will begin to ease in two and a half weeks if cases remain low.

Three moolion……….. Three moolion………. Do I hear Three moolion……….

Three moolion going once…… Three moolion going twice…………

Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley – There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history

dv said:

“ Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley – There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history

From the link earlier, I’m watching the Cash documentary, and one of the old blokes is talking about the success of American industry in the 50s and 60s. If he’s to be believed, most large manufacturing was running 24/7, the ambitious were regularly pulling double shifts, and the whole thing was fueled by amphetamines.

Interesting….

dv said:

“ Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley – There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history

We have a perfectly good “Donald Trump” thread that this could have been put in, ya know.

sibeen said:

dv said:

“ Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley – There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history

We have a perfectly good “Donald Trump” thread that this could have been put in, ya know.

Saying that, “Cavernous Stupidity’ what a great, great term. :)

Woodie said:

Three moolion……….. Three moolion………. Do I hear Three moolion……….

Three moolion going once…… Three moolion going twice…………

Too early Woodie Not till tomorrow morning I recon.

dv said:

Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley – There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history

Fixed I believe.

“There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history”

Wait, what? What about all the people who put him there, and continue to support him? Do you think they’re smarter than him?

Rule 303 said:

“There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history”

Wait, what? What about all the people who put him there, and continue to support him? Do you think they’re smarter than him?

He’s talking about presidents.

Rule 303 said:

“There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history”

Wait, what? What about all the people who put him there, and continue to support him? Do you think they’re smarter than him?

Donald trump is a symptom.

Half the population over there believe in something that is demonstrably untrue, not counting God.

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

“There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history”

Wait, what? What about all the people who put him there, and continue to support him? Do you think they’re smarter than him?

Donald trump is a symptom.

Half the population over there believe in something that is demonstrably untrue, not counting God.

Well, part of the spiral, it’s not like it doesn’t feed back into the shit.

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

“There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history”

Wait, what? What about all the people who put him there, and continue to support him? Do you think they’re smarter than him?

Donald trump is a symptom.

Half the population over there believe in something that is demonstrably untrue, not counting God.

possibly largely a consequence of corruptions of the subject of political economy, and consumerism turns people to junk

transition said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

“There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history”

Wait, what? What about all the people who put him there, and continue to support him? Do you think they’re smarter than him?

Donald trump is a symptom.

Half the population over there believe in something that is demonstrably untrue, not counting God.

possibly largely a consequence of corruptions of the subject of political economy, and consumerism turns people to junk

I don’t know what it is. For a country with such a proud heritage of technology and innovation and all the rest of it, that they can have such a large soft underbelly of dumb-fuckery. Maybe the the moon missions and being the first to break the sound barrier and all that were just a small group separate from their host society. Maybe it got that way later.

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

“There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history”

Wait, what? What about all the people who put him there, and continue to support him? Do you think they’re smarter than him?

Donald trump is a symptom.

Half the population over there believe in something that is demonstrably untrue, not counting God.

Although I have many times described Trump as a ‘symptom’ myself, he’s actually a sign.

The difference is this:

Symptom: Any subjective evidence of disease. Anxiety, low back pain, and fatigue are all symptoms; only the patient can perceive them.

Sign: Any objective evidence of disease. Gross blood in the stool is a sign of disease; it is evidence that can be recognized by the patient, physician, nurse, or someone else.

Donald Trump – Gross blood in the stool.

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

“There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history”

Wait, what? What about all the people who put him there, and continue to support him? Do you think they’re smarter than him?

Donald trump is a symptom.

Half the population over there believe in something that is demonstrably untrue, not counting God.

Although I have many times described Trump as a ‘symptom’ myself, he’s actually a sign.

The difference is this:

Symptom: Any subjective evidence of disease. Anxiety, low back pain, and fatigue are all symptoms; only the patient can perceive them.

Sign: Any objective evidence of disease. Gross blood in the stool is a sign of disease; it is evidence that can be recognized by the patient, physician, nurse, or someone else.

Donald Trump – Gross blood in the stool.

OK. I’ll pay that

party_pants said:

transition said:

party_pants said:

Donald trump is a symptom.

Half the population over there believe in something that is demonstrably untrue, not counting God.

possibly largely a consequence of corruptions of the subject of political economy, and consumerism turns people to junk

I don’t know what it is. For a country with such a proud heritage of technology and innovation and all the rest of it, that they can have such a large soft underbelly of dumb-fuckery. Maybe the the moon missions and being the first to break the sound barrier and all that were just a small group separate from their host society. Maybe it got that way later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_economy

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

“ Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley – There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history

From the link earlier, I’m watching the Cash documentary, and one of the old blokes is talking about the success of American industry in the 50s and 60s. If he’s to be believed, most large manufacturing was running 24/7, the ambitious were regularly pulling double shifts, and the whole thing was fueled by amphetamines.

Interesting….

Which industry?

sibeen said:

dv said:

“ Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley – There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history

We have a perfectly good “Donald Trump” thread that this could have been put in, ya know.

this is Covid-19 related.

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

“ Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley – There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history

From the link earlier, I’m watching the Cash documentary, and one of the old blokes is talking about the success of American industry in the 50s and 60s. If he’s to be believed, most large manufacturing was running 24/7, the ambitious were regularly pulling double shifts, and the whole thing was fueled by amphetamines.

Interesting….

Which industry?

amphetamine manufacture ¿

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

“There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history”

Wait, what? What about all the people who put him there, and continue to support him? Do you think they’re smarter than him?

Donald trump is a symptom.

Half the population over there believe in something that is demonstrably untrue, not counting God.

If it’s only half they are doing pretty well. I wonder the number is in Australia, or say India.

Woodie said:

Three moolion……….. Three moolion………. Do I hear Three moolion……….

Three moolion going once…… Three moolion going twice…………

raises hammer

Are we all done? Are we all silent?

Woodie said:

Woodie said:

Three moolion……….. Three moolion………. Do I hear Three moolion……….

Three moolion going once…… Three moolion going twice…………

raises hammer

Are we all done? Are we all silent?

When did we hit 2 million?

Divine Angel said:

Woodie said:

Woodie said:

Three moolion……….. Three moolion………. Do I hear Three moolion……….

Three moolion going once…… Three moolion going twice…………

raises hammer

Are we all done? Are we all silent?

When did we hit 2 million?

April 15th.

Woodie said:

Divine Angel said:

Woodie said:

raises hammer

Are we all done? Are we all silent?

When did we hit 2 million?

April 15th.

So about two weeks for another million. Hmm.

Go USA.

So, this tracking app, anyone here have it? Intend to download it?

I know that privacy is supposed to be paramount but surely it would be very tempting for authorities to get their hands on the data in certain circumstances. Suppose a person was found murdered and they were found to have the tracking app it could be used to indirectly track their movements and may even log the person who killed them. One murder not enough to overturn the privacy rule? What about a particularly gruesome murder or if there is a suspicion that a serial killer was responsible? Or, they could probably use some kind of terrorism law to circumvent the privacy part…

furious said:

So, this tracking app, anyone here have it? Intend to download it?

I know that privacy is supposed to be paramount but surely it would be very tempting for authorities to get their hands on the data in certain circumstances. Suppose a person was found murdered and they were found to have the tracking app it could be used to indirectly track their movements and may even log the person who killed them. One murder not enough to overturn the privacy rule? What about a particularly gruesome murder or if there is a suspicion that a serial killer was responsible? Or, they could probably use some kind of terrorism law to circumvent the privacy part…

I’m a bit leery about using any new tech. It always seem to have problems.
Like the nurses not getting paid due to a new tech failure.

I downloaded the app. I have concerns about the security; not about storing my information but the app uses Bluetooth, which is not secure. I wanted to see what the fuss is about, and the more people who use it, the faster you can see the security flaws. Taking one for the team, as it were. By identifying the issues in an app like this, perhaps this can serve as a test for apps in the future should we need them.

I doubt I’d be very useful, I only go to the supermarket once a week and for a daily walk. Not near anyone except my family for more than 5 minutes, let alone 15+.

I was also wondering how they find out you’ve tested positive for COVID-19. It’s a user-upload of your details, verified by health professionals and that data is cross-referenced to track contacts through the app’s data.

I have not downloaded the app… I probably won’t either.. However, at least one person has put in the name “Fuck you Dutton” which was accepted, so a flaw is.. people putting in the incorrect information therefore making the app useless for its intended purpose anyway..

Arts said:

I have not downloaded the app… I probably won’t either.. However, at least one person has put in the name “Fuck you Dutton” which was accepted, so a flaw is.. people putting in the incorrect information therefore making the app useless for its intended purpose anyway..

Fair point.

Arts said:

I have not downloaded the app… I probably won’t either.. However, at least one person has put in the name “Fuck you Dutton” which was accepted, so a flaw is.. people putting in the incorrect information therefore making the app useless for its intended purpose anyway..

Not really. There was even suggestions yesterday that recommended putting in a false name if you were a bit wary of the ap. Stupid, as it has your phone number.

Like a few other HFers I have no smartphone so won’t be downloading it.

furious said:

So, this tracking app, anyone here have it? Intend to download it?

I would download it if it told me when I’m within Bluetooth range of a positive person. That might actually be of some use.

I can see it causing lots of anxiety and false alerts.

Rule 303 said:

furious said:

So, this tracking app, anyone here have it? Intend to download it?

I would download it if it told me when I’m within Bluetooth range of a positive person. That might actually be of some use.

I can see it causing lots of anxiety and false alerts.

Yep. I’m actually glad that the iPhone doesn’t really want to use it.

Rule 303 said:

I would download it if it told me when I’m within Bluetooth range of a positive person. That might actually be of some use.

That wouldn’t be good either. Imagine being yelled at and called names because you’re out and about and everyone’s phone started pinging that they’re in the presence of an infected person.

“Stay at home, you motherfucker!!”

so the law protects your data but does it prohibit them from back door use

furious said:

So, this tracking app, anyone here have it? Intend to download it?

I know that privacy is supposed to be paramount but surely it would be very tempting for authorities to get their hands on the data in certain circumstances. Suppose a person was found murdered and they were found to have the tracking app it could be used to indirectly track their movements and may even log the person who killed them. One murder not enough to overturn the privacy rule? What about a particularly gruesome murder or if there is a suspicion that a serial killer was responsible? Or, they could probably use some kind of terrorism law to circumvent the privacy part…

FAQs:

https://www.covidsafe.gov.au/help-topics.html

But I don’t understand why the app has to (ET-like) phone home every two hours. If anyone can explain the reason properly, I’d like to hear that explanation.

“How much mobile and Wi-Fi data does COVIDSafe consume?

The app uses less than 1MB of data per day. It does not need to be connected continuously to the Internet to work, but it does need to connect occasionally to retrieve new temporary IDs from the server. This helps to protect your privacy and to collect anonymised analytics data.”

…………………………………………………………………………………………………..

The legislation is very, very tight:

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480

…………………………………………………………………………………………………..

Privacy policy:

https://www.health.gov.au/using-our-websites/privacy/privacy-policy-for-covidsafe-app

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

I would download it if it told me when I’m within Bluetooth range of a positive person. That might actually be of some use.

That wouldn’t be good either. Imagine being yelled at and called names because you’re out and about and everyone’s phone started pinging that they’re in the presence of an infected person.

“Stay at home, you motherfucker!!”

I’m in a bit of a dilemma.
We should only go to the shops for essentials. I will run out of coffee today. Am I permitted to go to town tomorrow?

Arts said:

I have not downloaded the app… I probably won’t either.. However, at least one person has put in the name “Fuck you Dutton” which was accepted, so a flaw is.. people putting in the incorrect information therefore making the app useless for its intended purpose anyway..

Using a pseudonym is allowable. Specifically allowable.

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

I would download it if it told me when I’m within Bluetooth range of a positive person. That might actually be of some use.

That wouldn’t be good either. Imagine being yelled at and called names because you’re out and about and everyone’s phone started pinging that they’re in the presence of an infected person.

“Stay at home, you motherfucker!!”

I’m in a bit of a dilemma.
We should only go to the shops for essentials. I will run out of coffee today. Am I permitted to go to town tomorrow?

Too late now for the early morning seniors hour. However, coffee is a seriously essential item.

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

I would download it if it told me when I’m within Bluetooth range of a positive person. That might actually be of some use.

That wouldn’t be good either. Imagine being yelled at and called names because you’re out and about and everyone’s phone started pinging that they’re in the presence of an infected person.

“Stay at home, you motherfucker!!”

I’m in a bit of a dilemma.
We should only go to the shops for essentials. I will run out of coffee today. Am I permitted to go to town tomorrow?

Yes.

When I went to Westfield a couple weeks ago, the only stores open apart from supermarkets were bookstores and game shops. They’re doing ~400% sales during the lockdown. And even Scotty thinks going out to get a jigsaw puzzle is “essential”.

Michael V said:

Arts said:

I have not downloaded the app… I probably won’t either.. However, at least one person has put in the name “Fuck you Dutton” which was accepted, so a flaw is.. people putting in the incorrect information therefore making the app useless for its intended purpose anyway..

Using a pseudonym is allowable. Specifically allowable.

So is sniffmyarse taken?

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

I would download it if it told me when I’m within Bluetooth range of a positive person. That might actually be of some use.

That wouldn’t be good either. Imagine being yelled at and called names because you’re out and about and everyone’s phone started pinging that they’re in the presence of an infected person.

“Stay at home, you motherfucker!!”

I’m in a bit of a dilemma.
We should only go to the shops for essentials. I will run out of coffee today. Am I permitted to go to town tomorrow?

Yes and get beer and bread and o9ther essential as well.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Arts said:

I have not downloaded the app… I probably won’t either.. However, at least one person has put in the name “Fuck you Dutton” which was accepted, so a flaw is.. people putting in the incorrect information therefore making the app useless for its intended purpose anyway..

Using a pseudonym is allowable. Specifically allowable.

So is sniffmyarse taken?

Smell My Bum is my name on Mario Kart Tour.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

That wouldn’t be good either. Imagine being yelled at and called names because you’re out and about and everyone’s phone started pinging that they’re in the presence of an infected person.

“Stay at home, you motherfucker!!”

I’m in a bit of a dilemma.
We should only go to the shops for essentials. I will run out of coffee today. Am I permitted to go to town tomorrow?

Too late now for the early morning seniors hour. However, coffee is a seriously essential item.

Thank dog for that.
As a reformed 20/day person but down to 1 or 2 it is vital for my mental wellbeing.

SCIENCE said:

so the law protects your data but does it prohibit them from back door use

Yes it does.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

I would download it if it told me when I’m within Bluetooth range of a positive person. That might actually be of some use.

That wouldn’t be good either. Imagine being yelled at and called names because you’re out and about and everyone’s phone started pinging that they’re in the presence of an infected person.

“Stay at home, you motherfucker!!”

If you could prevent the person from simply turning off their Bluetooth, I imagine it would work to keep positive people in isolation, yes.

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

I would download it if it told me when I’m within Bluetooth range of a positive person. That might actually be of some use.

That wouldn’t be good either. Imagine being yelled at and called names because you’re out and about and everyone’s phone started pinging that they’re in the presence of an infected person.

“Stay at home, you motherfucker!!”

I’m in a bit of a dilemma.
We should only go to the shops for essentials. I will run out of coffee today. Am I permitted to go to town tomorrow?

Ummm.

Coffee is an essential item.

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

“There’s nothing like Trump’s cavernous stupidity in US history”

Wait, what? What about all the people who put him there, and continue to support him? Do you think they’re smarter than him?

Donald trump is a symptom.

Half the population over there believe in something that is demonstrably untrue, not counting God.

If it’s only half they are doing pretty well. I wonder the number is in Australia, or say India.

look at it this way, if population are stupid and vote randomly, and there are 2 main candidates, and votes were 48 vs 52 for shit vs the shit

then the actual number of stupid is 96 right

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

That wouldn’t be good either. Imagine being yelled at and called names because you’re out and about and everyone’s phone started pinging that they’re in the presence of an infected person.

“Stay at home, you motherfucker!!”

I’m in a bit of a dilemma.
We should only go to the shops for essentials. I will run out of coffee today. Am I permitted to go to town tomorrow?

Ummm.

Coffee is an essential item.

Fuck yeah!

It was the Spanish Freedom Fighters who once said “give me coffee or give me death!”

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

I would download it if it told me when I’m within Bluetooth range of a positive person. That might actually be of some use.

That wouldn’t be good either. Imagine being yelled at and called names because you’re out and about and everyone’s phone started pinging that they’re in the presence of an infected person.

“Stay at home, you motherfucker!!”

I’m in a bit of a dilemma.
We should only go to the shops for essentials. I will run out of coffee today. Am I permitted to go to town tomorrow?

If you’ve run out of beer or coffee you can actually request a police escort, lights and sirens on, to guide you to the appropriate shop.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

so the law protects your data but does it prohibit them from back door use

Yes it does.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480

sorry we mean independent of the data, the software could open holes in your system but the law only discusses use of data

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

That wouldn’t be good either. Imagine being yelled at and called names because you’re out and about and everyone’s phone started pinging that they’re in the presence of an infected person.

“Stay at home, you motherfucker!!”

I’m in a bit of a dilemma.
We should only go to the shops for essentials. I will run out of coffee today. Am I permitted to go to town tomorrow?

If you’ve run out of beer or coffee you can actually request a police escort, lights and sirens on, to guide you to the appropriate shop.

Then the buggers would come round here & drink my beer & coffee.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

I’m in a bit of a dilemma.
We should only go to the shops for essentials. I will run out of coffee today. Am I permitted to go to town tomorrow?

Ummm.

Coffee is an essential item.

Fuck yeah!

It was the Spanish Freedom Fighters who once said “give me coffee or give me death!”

I think you mentioned the SFF on the old SSSF.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

so the law protects your data but does it prohibit them from back door use

Yes it does.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480

Has the legislation been passed yet? Parliament does not sit until May.

see, they can track us anyway…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/life-in-perth-during-a-global-coronavirus-pandemic-in-photos/12174454

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

so the law protects your data but does it prohibit them from back door use

Yes it does.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480

Can any legislation prevent itself from being over written by subsequent legislation, or over come by court order?

buffy said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

so the law protects your data but does it prohibit them from back door use

Yes it does.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480

Has the legislation been passed yet? Parliament does not sit until May.

Yes, because its a determination by the minister, made by an authority under other legislation.

“3 Authority

This instrument is made under subsection 477(1) of the Biosecurity Act 2015.”

so is NAB the new Virgin Australia

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Yes it does.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480

Has the legislation been passed yet? Parliament does not sit until May.

Yes, because its a determination by the minister, made by an authority under other legislation.

“3 Authority

This instrument is made under subsection 477(1) of the Biosecurity Act 2015.”

Ah, but the actual legislation for it is to go to parliament when it sits, I think. The authority under the Biosecurity Act is something different. As I understand it.

and DPRK joins the group of forward thinking countries that dv is so approving of with their female leaders

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-27/north-korea-succession-plan-if-kim-jong-un-dies/12187266?pfmredir=sm

It took five hours for Australians to download the COVIDSafe app at a rate the Government expected would take five days.

—

just like those best-selling books that have sold a million copies before anyone actually got their hands on it hey

—

or “Australians”, not hackers, not crackers, not security agencies of other countries, no not at all

furious said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

so the law protects your data but does it prohibit them from back door use

Yes it does.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480

Can any legislation prevent itself from being over written by subsequent legislation, or over come by court order?

“6 Collection, use or disclosure of COVID app data

(1) A person must not collect, use or disclose COVID app data except as provided by subsection (2).”

Part 2, section 6 defines what the data can be used for, and who is allowed to use it. No court order can change that.

A detailed read of the Explanatory Statement covers most concerns.

• No court order can change that.

Well, you don’t know for sure until it is tested…

Bush said a new world was “struggling to be born … a world where the rule of law supplants the rule of the jungle”.

How wrong he was. Wrong about terrorism, wrong about justice and peace, and blind to China.

—

pardon our stupidity but if we’re talking about violations harming the “reputation” of the USA, why are we taking about what West Taiwan might or might not be doing, there’s some other factor harming the USA itself, surely

SCIENCE said:

so is NAB the new Virgin Australia

Woodie said:

SCIENCE said:

so is NAB the new Virgin Australia

Always has been the dud of Aus banks, they needed a bail out in 2008.

https://www.moneymorning.com.au/20101203/nab-and-westpacs-secret-bailout-revealed.html

SCIENCE said:

It took five hours for Australians to download the COVIDSafe app at a rate the Government expected would take five days.

—

just like those best-selling books that have sold a million copies before anyone actually got their hands on it hey

—

or “Australians”, not hackers, not crackers, not security agencies of other countries, no not at all

Yeah. they wanted a moolion in 5 days. So how long were thy expecting it to take to get their required 10 moolion. 50 days?

• Yeah. they wanted a moolion in 5 days. So how long were thy expecting it to take to get their required 10 moolion. 50 days?

They probably expected it to go viral and double every five days…

Woodie said:

SCIENCE said:

It took five hours for Australians to download the COVIDSafe app at a rate the Government expected would take five days.

—

just like those best-selling books that have sold a million copies before anyone actually got their hands on it hey

—

or “Australians”, not hackers, not crackers, not security agencies of other countries, no not at all

Yeah. they wanted a moolion in 5 days. So how long were thy expecting it to take to get their required 10 moolion. 50 days?

what if the download curve fattens

furious said:

• No court order can change that.

Well, you don’t know for sure until it is tested…

Sure. My interpretation is that. I spent 11 years of my life interpreting laws. But it’s still just my interpretation.

Michael V said:

furious said:

• No court order can change that.

Well, you don’t know for sure until it is tested…

Sure. My interpretation is that. I spent 11 years of my life interpreting laws. But it’s still just my interpretation.

You’re possibly right, I don’t know, I just speculate. I was just wondering if there was a point where the temptation could become too much. If someone went on a kill crazy rampage maybe law enforcement would try to get the data to see if it narrows down the suspects…

furious said:

Michael V said:

furious said:

• No court order can change that.

Well, you don’t know for sure until it is tested…

Sure. My interpretation is that. I spent 11 years of my life interpreting laws. But it’s still just my interpretation.

You’re possibly right, I don’t know, I just speculate. I was just wondering if there was a point where the temptation could become too much. If someone went on a kill crazy rampage maybe law enforcement would try to get the data to see if it narrows down the suspects…

there’s still metadata

Woodie said:

SCIENCE said:

so is NAB the new Virgin Australia

They’ll be fine. Just raising some more capital by issuing $3.5 billion more worth of shares at a discount on current price ($14.15 per share). 8.5% discount on current price. New shares worth 7.1% of current existing ordinary shares on issue.

This will dilute shareholdings to around the discounted share value.

They’ll be back up and trading tomorrow once the paperwork has been submitted to the ASX.

Woodie said:

Woodie said:

SCIENCE said:

so is NAB the new Virgin Australia

They’ll be fine. Just raising some more capital by issuing $3.5 billion more worth of shares at a discount on current price ($14.15 per share). 8.5% discount on current price. New shares worth 7.1% of current existing ordinary shares on issue.

This will dilute shareholdings to around the discounted share value.

They’ll be back up and trading tomorrow once the paperwork has been submitted to the ASX.

BUY BUY

furious said:

So, this tracking app, anyone here have it? Intend to download it?

I know that privacy is supposed to be paramount but surely it would be very tempting for authorities to get their hands on the data in certain circumstances. Suppose a person was found murdered and they were found to have the tracking app it could be used to indirectly track their movements and may even log the person who killed them. One murder not enough to overturn the privacy rule? What about a particularly gruesome murder or if there is a suspicion that a serial killer was responsible? Or, they could probably use some kind of terrorism law to circumvent the privacy part…

they’d use anything that could help, including trawling a wider net

I don’t see individual privacy as really being a serious issue, or the issue. There was a day a phone was simply a phone, if you were paying the call you owned the conversation in a sense, of course now your phone is packed with software, much of it licensed, some shareware maybe, some freeware perhaps, and there’s plenty third-parties involved, and there are social media platforms, it’s a dog’s breakfast of licensing, including importantly soft or informal licensing. But you’re sharing aren’t you, and interconnected, you’re connected. Everyone is to be plugged in, you will be plugged in, to the machine

more I see the creeping technological expansionism, the money behind it all looking for markets, it’s a very big industry now, into the future. People will be induced to relax their consciences about privacy, but not so much their own, instead you’ll be provided with passwords, and provides options, user settings, but unknown to many the sum of the behaviors of all users generally results in a reduction of privacy for whatever example. Say for example I keep my friends list on a particular social media platform to ~20 people, tie all my privacy features down, security, minimize use, whatever, the fact is all the other people on my friends list dilute my privacy, and I contribute to diluting theirs. They might search whatever and I get advertising related their search subjects, for example

so there’s an industry of privacy dilution, dressed up as something else, ultimately to make money, to sell stuff, and you get the idiots that are plugged in to do most of that, even if they are looking after their own privacy there’s good chance they’ll be party to eroding someone elses, or many others, employing an overdetermining social force (consider the firing squad example of overdetermination)

the government’s very keen to appeal to the tech industry, the investment dollars, and the covid-19 experience is demonstrating what is essential of the culture we live in, of services etc, there’s potentially a recalibration from that experience, which isn’t entirely favorable to the power of money, the usual structure of private wealth

furious said:

Michael V said:

furious said:

• No court order can change that.

Well, you don’t know for sure until it is tested…

Sure. My interpretation is that. I spent 11 years of my life interpreting laws. But it’s still just my interpretation.

You’re possibly right, I don’t know, I just speculate. I was just wondering if there was a point where the temptation could become too much. If someone went on a kill crazy rampage maybe law enforcement would try to get the data to see if it narrows down the suspects…

I don’t think that’s possible, given how tightly the determination is written.

Michael V said:

furious said:

Michael V said:

Sure. My interpretation is that. I spent 11 years of my life interpreting laws. But it’s still just my interpretation.

You’re possibly right, I don’t know, I just speculate. I was just wondering if there was a point where the temptation could become too much. If someone went on a kill crazy rampage maybe law enforcement would try to get the data to see if it narrows down the suspects…

I don’t think that’s possible, given how tightly the determination is written.

Senator Rex Patrick posted this-

The Federal Government released its coronavirus tracing application today. Called ‘COVIDSafe’ There is no question it will be useful in assisting us tackle COVID-19 and will save lives. The Health Minister also made a ‘Ministerial Determination’ to offer privacy protection to its users. However, there are still some areas of concern in relation to privacy. Whether you choose to download and use it is a matter of your particular circumstances based on how concerned you might be about the following points:

• In the Australian hierarchy of legislation, a ‘Ministerial Determination’ would not override the provisions in an actual Act passed by the Parliament, such as the search warrants provisions of the Crimes Act.
• The ‘Ministerial Determination’ was introduced at the stroke of a pen yesterday and the Health Minister has the discretion to change it tomorrow, or the next day, or at any time with another stroke of a pen.
• It is not clear if Amazon Web Services, the US owned company with responsibility for the COVIDSafe’s cloud storage, is beyond the reach of the US Cloud Act until such time as the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (International Production Orders) Bill is passed by our Parliament.

In my view the ‘Ministerial Determination’ needs to be superseded by legislation passed in the next session of Parliament starting on 12 May to address the first two concerns above. The Cloud Act concern also needs to be addressed.

>>The Government hasn’t yet released the app’s source code and new legislation governing its use has yet to be shared. <<

From here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-04-27/covidsafe-contact-tracing-app-coronavirus-privacy-security/12186044

I thought the code was to be released prior to launch.

buffy said:

>>The Government hasn’t yet released the app’s source code and new legislation governing its use has yet to be shared. <<

From here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-04-27/covidsafe-contact-tracing-app-coronavirus-privacy-security/12186044

I thought the code was to be released prior to launch.

That’s what they said, but it hasn’t been done.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

>>The Government hasn’t yet released the app’s source code and new legislation governing its use has yet to be shared. <<

From here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-04-27/covidsafe-contact-tracing-app-coronavirus-privacy-security/12186044

I thought the code was to be released prior to launch.

That’s what they said, but it hasn’t been done.

And so the lies begin.

dv said:

Spooky!

Michael V said:

dv said:

Spooky!

I reckon! I mean, who the dickens goes through years of tweets looking for predictions??

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Spooky!

I reckon! I mean, who the dickens goes through years of tweets looking for predictions??

Does the twitter have a text search function? Would have been people searching trump + bleach, trump + disinfectant, etc. recently…

dv said:

wow.

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Spooky!

I reckon! I mean, who the dickens goes through years of tweets looking for predictions??

He just went back in his time machine and faked it.

poikilotherm said:

Woodie said:

SCIENCE said:

so is NAB the new Virgin Australia

Always has been the dud of Aus banks, they needed a bail out in 2008.

https://www.moneymorning.com.au/20101203/nab-and-westpacs-secret-bailout-revealed.html

NAB was the market darling from 1995-2005 because it came out of the recession largely unscathed but fell from grace because of numerous financial scandals in the noughties. The CBA as Australia’s top bank is a relatively recent phenomenon.

Robert Merkel, lecturer at Monash University’s Clayton School of Information Technology, (nd others) have decompiled the COVIDSafe app’s code and commented on it here:

https://github.com/vteague/contactTracing

Michael V said:

Robert Merkel, lecturer at Monash University’s Clayton School of Information Technology, (nd others) have decompiled the COVIDSafe app’s code and commented on it here:

https://github.com/vteague/contactTracing

A claytons app eh…

poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

Robert Merkel, lecturer at Monash University’s Clayton School of Information Technology, (nd others) have decompiled the COVIDSafe app’s code and commented on it here:

https://github.com/vteague/contactTracing

A claytons app eh…

Hehehe

One cautionary thing I would mention to global philanthropists funding Covid 19 research is to have an independent professor of immunology or a few to sort through the research proposal or research projects on the go and give a medical opinion of how likely or valid the research project truly is.

The funding needs to be spent where the best likelihood of an outcome is because once the vaccine is found a new job begins to get the vaccine through the safety hoops to human use.

Gates Foundation will commit ‘total attention’ to coronavirus pandemic

Justin Wise 7 hrs ago

Bill Gates on coronavirus: ‘It’s going to be a while before things go back to normal’

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is now devoting all of its attention to addressing the global outbreak of the novel coronavirus, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates said in an interview published Sunday.

Gates told The Financial Times that his foundation, which has an endowment of more than $40 billion (AUD$62b), was prepared to put all of its resources toward fighting the virus, even if it meant efforts to combat other deadly diseases would suffer as a result.
“We’ve taken an organization that was focused on HIV and malaria and polio eradication, and almost entirely shifted it to work on this,” Gates, a leading philanthropist, said.

“This has the foundation’s total attention. Even our non-health related work, like higher education and K-12 , is completely switched around to look at how you facilitate online learning.”

Pictures: Coronavirus pandemic in the US

The Gates’ foundation has already committed $250 million (AUD$391 million) toward coronavirus relief efforts around the world.
The group’s most recent $150 million (AUD$234million) pledge is set to go toward international efforts to develop diagnostics, therapeutics and vaccines, as well as efforts to provide resources to African and South Asian countries.

This latest commitment means that all of its workforce and expertise will be directed to the current pandemic. Gates said that clinical trials for new AIDS drugs would take a backseat to the work being done to develop treatments for COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.
“This emergency has distracted a lot of critical work in many, many areas,” he said.

The billionaire philanthropist predicted that the virus’s outbreak would cost the global economy “tens of trillions of dollars” and that some nations would have “greatly reduced” economic activity for years because of it.

Nearly 3 million people worldwide have been infected with COVID-19, including about 940,000 individuals in the U.S., according to a Johns Hopkins University database.

The virus has caused more than 200,000 deaths, including more than 50,000 in the U.S.

Gates Foundation will commit ‘total attention’ to coronavirus pandemic

Gates has remained extremely vocal during the crisis. After President Trump vowed to freeze funding to the World Health Organization (WHO) over its response to the outbreak, he tweeted that the move was “as dangerous as it sounds.”
He reiterated those comments while speaking with The Financial Times, saying that WHO is a “very important” body that “should actually get extra support to perform their role.”

“I think will do deep analysis and decide that they probably should get more money, not less money,” Gates said.
Pictures: Coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak around the world

Michael V said:

Robert Merkel, lecturer at Monash University’s Clayton School of Information Technology, (nd others) have decompiled the COVIDSafe app’s code and commented on it here:

https://github.com/vteague/contactTracing

So did that help you with the 2 hour refresh thing MV?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

Spooky!

I reckon! I mean, who the dickens goes through years of tweets looking for predictions??

He just went back in his time machine and faked it.

this time it isn’t so funny is it

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Divine Angel said:

I reckon! I mean, who the dickens goes through years of tweets looking for predictions??

He just went back in his time machine and faked it.

this time it isn’t so funny is it

Stretching the friendship calling him a comedian.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-27/how-to-download-the-covidsafe-app-and-the-issues-you-can-expect/12188156

They seem to have had some niggly problems.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

>>The Government hasn’t yet released the app’s source code and new legislation governing its use has yet to be shared. <<

From here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-04-27/covidsafe-contact-tracing-app-coronavirus-privacy-security/12186044

I thought the code was to be released prior to launch.

That’s what they said, but it hasn’t been done.

And so the lies begin.

well well well

dv said:

like interpreting the Bible

The Japanese are a strange bunch:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/japan-s-shift-to-work-from-home-blocked-by-paper-pushing-office-rules-20200427-p54nkf.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Japanese are a strange bunch:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/japan-s-shift-to-work-from-home-blocked-by-paper-pushing-office-rules-20200427-p54nkf.html

and they also do what Australians do

https://time.com/5826918/hokkaido-coronavirus-lockdown/

Japanese Island Lifted Its Coronavirus Lockdown Too Soon and Became a Warning

Hokkaido offers a grim lesson in the next phase of the battle against COVID-19. It acted quickly and contained an early outbreak of the coronavirus with a 3-week lockdown. But, when the governor lifted restrictions, a second wave of infections hit even harder. Twenty-six days later, the island was forced back into lockdown.

“Now I regret it, we should not have lifted the first state of emergency,” Dr. Kiyoshi Nagase, chairman of the Hokkaido Medical Association, tells TIME.

Experts say restrictions were lifted too quickly and too soon because of pressure from local businesses, coupled with a false sense of security in its declining infection rate.

Kazuto Suzuki, Vice Dean of International Politics at Hokkaido University. “That’s what we now know: Even if you control the first wave, you can’t relax.”

Japan still has relatively few confirmed COVID-19 cases compared to other countries—12,400—but the numbers have more than doubled in the last two weeks, alarming international health officials.

On Feb. 28, … Schools closed, as did many restaurants and businesses, … the government can’t use police or military to enforce a lockdown, it can only ask … the country’s constitution, … has strict protections for civil liberties in order to avoid a return to fascism. Mostly though, people complied.

By mid-March, the health crisis was stabilizing—new cases were in the low single digits and even zero on some days—but complaints from businesses were increasing.

Hokkaido Governor Naomichi Suzuki grappled with whether to maintain the lockdown and endure more economic pain, or lift it and risk the health consequences. Suzuki assembled his advisers and decided it was time to ease restrictions. Nagase, the doctor who helped coordinate the government’s response, says that at that time, officials had only a limited understanding of the virus and how quickly it could spread. “Hokkaido was the first big outbreak here, so we were really operating in the dark.” Without sufficient data, doctors based their recommendations on the idea that the coronavirus spread like influenza. Nagase says he now regrets not pushing for more testing from the beginning.

Hokkaido residents spilled onto streets and lingered in cafes, celebrating the conclusion of their weeks-long confinement. That likely kicked off the second wave of infections, says Nagase.

Further fueling it, people from other parts of Japan saw that Hokkaido had relaxed restrictions and began travelling there.

That likely seeded even more infections and soon the second outbreak was in full bloom. By April 9—exactly three weeks after the lockdown was lifted—there was a record number of new cases … Hokkaido was forced to announce a state of emergency for a second time. The island had 279 reported cases, an increase of about 80% from when the governor lifted the first lockdown less than a month before.

Japan as a whole has not learned from Hokkaido’s mistakes, though.

… the hard lesson he and the prefecture have learned, he says, is that until there’s a vaccine or medicine, everyone has to take personal responsibility and understand that, “it really may not be until next year that we can safely lift these lockdowns.”

poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

Robert Merkel, lecturer at Monash University’s Clayton School of Information Technology, (nd others) have decompiled the COVIDSafe app’s code and commented on it here:

https://github.com/vteague/contactTracing

A claytons app eh…

LOL

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Japanese are a strange bunch:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/japan-s-shift-to-work-from-home-blocked-by-paper-pushing-office-rules-20200427-p54nkf.html

and they also do what Australians do

https://time.com/5826918/hokkaido-coronavirus-lockdown/

Japanese Island Lifted Its Coronavirus Lockdown Too Soon and Became a Warning

Hokkaido offers a grim lesson in the next phase of the battle against COVID-19. It acted quickly and contained an early outbreak of the coronavirus with a 3-week lockdown. But, when the governor lifted restrictions, a second wave of infections hit even harder. Twenty-six days later, the island was forced back into lockdown.

“Now I regret it, we should not have lifted the first state of emergency,” Dr. Kiyoshi Nagase, chairman of the Hokkaido Medical Association, tells TIME.

Experts say restrictions were lifted too quickly and too soon because of pressure from local businesses, coupled with a false sense of security in its declining infection rate.

Kazuto Suzuki, Vice Dean of International Politics at Hokkaido University. “That’s what we now know: Even if you control the first wave, you can’t relax.”

Japan still has relatively few confirmed COVID-19 cases compared to other countries—12,400—but the numbers have more than doubled in the last two weeks, alarming international health officials.

On Feb. 28, … Schools closed, as did many restaurants and businesses, … the government can’t use police or military to enforce a lockdown, it can only ask … the country’s constitution, … has strict protections for civil liberties in order to avoid a return to fascism. Mostly though, people complied.

By mid-March, the health crisis was stabilizing—new cases were in the low single digits and even zero on some days—but complaints from businesses were increasing.

Hokkaido Governor Naomichi Suzuki grappled with whether to maintain the lockdown and endure more economic pain, or lift it and risk the health consequences. Suzuki assembled his advisers and decided it was time to ease restrictions. Nagase, the doctor who helped coordinate the government’s response, says that at that time, officials had only a limited understanding of the virus and how quickly it could spread. “Hokkaido was the first big outbreak here, so we were really operating in the dark.” Without sufficient data, doctors based their recommendations on the idea that the coronavirus spread like influenza. Nagase says he now regrets not pushing for more testing from the beginning.

Hokkaido residents spilled onto streets and lingered in cafes, celebrating the conclusion of their weeks-long confinement. That likely kicked off the second wave of infections, says Nagase.

Further fueling it, people from other parts of Japan saw that Hokkaido had relaxed restrictions and began travelling there.

That likely seeded even more infections and soon the second outbreak was in full bloom. By April 9—exactly three weeks after the lockdown was lifted—there was a record number of new cases … Hokkaido was forced to announce a state of emergency for a second time. The island had 279 reported cases, an increase of about 80% from when the governor lifted the first lockdown less than a month before.

Japan as a whole has not learned from Hokkaido’s mistakes, though.

… the hard lesson he and the prefecture have learned, he says, is that until there’s a vaccine or medicine, everyone has to take personal responsibility and understand that, “it really may not be until next year that we can safely lift these lockdowns.”

Are they testing more as they lift the restrictions? And are there deaths, or just more positives?

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Robert Merkel, lecturer at Monash University’s Clayton School of Information Technology, (nd others) have decompiled the COVIDSafe app’s code and commented on it here:

https://github.com/vteague/contactTracing

So did that help you with the 2 hour refresh thing MV?

Yeah, I guess. It seems that it’s to disaggregate and limit the applicability of data that’s available to be phone-hacked.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Robert Merkel, lecturer at Monash University’s Clayton School of Information Technology, (nd others) have decompiled the COVIDSafe app’s code and commented on it here:

https://github.com/vteague/contactTracing

So did that help you with the 2 hour refresh thing MV?

Yeah, I guess. It seems that it’s to disaggregate and limit the applicability of data that’s available to be phone-hacked.

But apparently the one it is based on does it every 15 minutes and 2 hours is too long.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Japanese are a strange bunch:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/japan-s-shift-to-work-from-home-blocked-by-paper-pushing-office-rules-20200427-p54nkf.html

and they also do what Australians do

https://time.com/5826918/hokkaido-coronavirus-lockdown/

Japanese Island Lifted Its Coronavirus Lockdown Too Soon and Became a Warning

Hokkaido offers a grim lesson in the next phase of the battle against COVID-19. It acted quickly and contained an early outbreak of the coronavirus with a 3-week lockdown. But, when the governor lifted restrictions, a second wave of infections hit even harder. Twenty-six days later, the island was forced back into lockdown.

“Now I regret it, we should not have lifted the first state of emergency,” Dr. Kiyoshi Nagase, chairman of the Hokkaido Medical Association, tells TIME.

Experts say restrictions were lifted too quickly and too soon because of pressure from local businesses, coupled with a false sense of security in its declining infection rate.

Kazuto Suzuki, Vice Dean of International Politics at Hokkaido University. “That’s what we now know: Even if you control the first wave, you can’t relax.”

Japan still has relatively few confirmed COVID-19 cases compared to other countries—12,400—but the numbers have more than doubled in the last two weeks, alarming international health officials.

On Feb. 28, … Schools closed, as did many restaurants and businesses, … the government can’t use police or military to enforce a lockdown, it can only ask … the country’s constitution, … has strict protections for civil liberties in order to avoid a return to fascism. Mostly though, people complied.

By mid-March, the health crisis was stabilizing—new cases were in the low single digits and even zero on some days—but complaints from businesses were increasing.

Hokkaido Governor Naomichi Suzuki grappled with whether to maintain the lockdown and endure more economic pain, or lift it and risk the health consequences. Suzuki assembled his advisers and decided it was time to ease restrictions. Nagase, the doctor who helped coordinate the government’s response, says that at that time, officials had only a limited understanding of the virus and how quickly it could spread. “Hokkaido was the first big outbreak here, so we were really operating in the dark.” Without sufficient data, doctors based their recommendations on the idea that the coronavirus spread like influenza. Nagase says he now regrets not pushing for more testing from the beginning.

Hokkaido residents spilled onto streets and lingered in cafes, celebrating the conclusion of their weeks-long confinement. That likely kicked off the second wave of infections, says Nagase.

Further fueling it, people from other parts of Japan saw that Hokkaido had relaxed restrictions and began travelling there.

That likely seeded even more infections and soon the second outbreak was in full bloom. By April 9—exactly three weeks after the lockdown was lifted—there was a record number of new cases … Hokkaido was forced to announce a state of emergency for a second time. The island had 279 reported cases, an increase of about 80% from when the governor lifted the first lockdown less than a month before.

Japan as a whole has not learned from Hokkaido’s mistakes, though.

… the hard lesson he and the prefecture have learned, he says, is that until there’s a vaccine or medicine, everyone has to take personal responsibility and understand that, “it really may not be until next year that we can safely lift these lockdowns.”

Are they testing more as they lift the restrictions? And are there deaths, or just more positives?

it’s kind of turning around now but judging from the spikiness of the counts, probably not testing enough

buffy said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

So did that help you with the 2 hour refresh thing MV?

Yeah, I guess. It seems that it’s to disaggregate and limit the applicability of data that’s available to be phone-hacked.

But apparently the one it is based on does it every 15 minutes and 2 hours is too long.

At least I (sort of) understand why they do it now. It was what (with mzl’s prompting) I approximately came up with last night, so not a bad guess, really.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

and they also do what Australians do

https://time.com/5826918/hokkaido-coronavirus-lockdown/

Japanese Island Lifted Its Coronavirus Lockdown Too Soon and Became a Warning

Hokkaido offers a grim lesson in the next phase of the battle against COVID-19. It acted quickly and contained an early outbreak of the coronavirus with a 3-week lockdown. But, when the governor lifted restrictions, a second wave of infections hit even harder. Twenty-six days later, the island was forced back into lockdown.

Are they testing more as they lift the restrictions? And are there deaths, or just more positives?

it’s kind of turning around now but judging from the spikiness of the counts, probably not testing enough

we’re not the only ones who have noticed apparently

(1)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-27/cmo-brendan-murphy-change-interactions-to-beat-coronavirus/12189702

“If the current trend stays as we are now, with 20 or fewer cases a day and very few of them being those community traces with that epidemiology link, that would put us in a very strong position,” Dr Murphy said.

“A better position would be no cases in two weeks.”

ALSO

Intelligence agencies will not be able to create a ‘back door’ into the Federal Government’s new app to access users’ data. The Chief Information Officer at the Department of Health, Daniel Keys, said users of the Government’s COVIDSafe app will not have their data passed on.

… that’s not the back door we should be concerned about …
… they keep talking about “data” but remember, even ransomware etc that wreck your data did not spread by “stealing data” …

(2)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-27/how-japan-pm-shinzo-abe-fumbled-coronavirus-response/12189076
https://theconversation.com/how-shinzo-abe-has-fumbled-japans-coronavirus-response-136860

Shinzo Abe has fumbled

Two medical groups have also warned a “collapse in emergency medicine” has already happened as hospitals are being forced to turn away patients, presaging a possible collapse of the overall healthcare system.

The country had initially been held up as having one of the more effective responses to the coronavirus in the early days of the pandemic. Yet, its curve has not even started to flatten like those of its neighbours, South Korea, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong.

However, overconfidence in these practices, and the ongoing lack of firm direction from Abe’s Government, may have lulled many Japanese into a false sense of security. This has been starkly demonstrated in recent weeks as crowds have flocked to parks to view the cherry blossoms, ignoring requests from local authorities to stay home.

Japan’s first major misstep occurred in early February, when the Diamond Princess cruise ship was quarantined in Yokohama.

Abe then ordered schools to remain closed until the end of the spring break in April, a sudden decision that caught both teachers and parents by surprise, leaving them little time to plan and prepare.

Then came the lack of decisiveness on the Tokyo Olympics.

But the Government’s decision to restrict most tests to highly symptomatic patients means actual cases are likely being under-counted.

Even when Abe has tried to send the right message, the tone has been off. This was perhaps best symbolised by the mocking reaction to his well-intentioned “stay home” Twitter post, which portrayed him drinking tea and patting his dog.

Re: COVIDSafe app.

A friend on Facebook asked if we were downloading the app, and why/why not. A number of people responded that they don’t like being tracked. One person said they don’t mind giving companies their info eg facebook, but the govt doesn’t need to know our details.

I laughed until my gut hurt. The govt already knows all your details.

Divine Angel said:

Re: COVIDSafe app.

A friend on Facebook asked if we were downloading the app, and why/why not. A number of people responded that they don’t like being tracked. One person said they don’t mind giving companies their info eg facebook, but the govt doesn’t need to know our details.

I laughed until my gut hurt. The govt already knows all your details.

and once the vaccine with the chip is rolled out…

Divine Angel said:

Re: COVIDSafe app.

A friend on Facebook asked if we were downloading the app, and why/why not. A number of people responded that they don’t like being tracked. One person said they don’t mind giving companies their info eg facebook, but the govt doesn’t need to know our details.

I laughed until my gut hurt. The govt already knows all your details.

Well, it doesn’t really, we feed the companies more, but the ridiculous part is more that giving it to profiteers is seen as being better than giving it to the public service.

Ostensibly, the software seeks to solve a real problem. Using it comes with all the warnings about using any other piece of software. The difference here is that people are made much more aware of the risks than with usual profiteering software. If people want to help by downloading and running the software, then they should.

JudgeMental said:

Divine Angel said:

Re: COVIDSafe app.

A friend on Facebook asked if we were downloading the app, and why/why not. A number of people responded that they don’t like being tracked. One person said they don’t mind giving companies their info eg facebook, but the govt doesn’t need to know our details.

I laughed until my gut hurt. The govt already knows all your details.

and once the vaccine with the chip is rolled out…

My Smartphone Is Already 5G Enabled And Now Everyone Is Activating The App

Woodie said:

Woodie said:

Three moolion……….. Three moolion………. Do I hear Three moolion……….

Three moolion going once…… Three moolion going twice…………

raises hammer

Are we all done? Are we all silent?

…Aaaaaaand we’ve sailed right past 3,000,000 without even a bump.

Just shy of 1,000,000 conformed cases in the USA. Near enough to call it one third.

JudgeMental said:

Divine Angel said:

Re: COVIDSafe app.

A friend on Facebook asked if we were downloading the app, and why/why not. A number of people responded that they don’t like being tracked. One person said they don’t mind giving companies their info eg facebook, but the govt doesn’t need to know our details.

I laughed until my gut hurt. The govt already knows all your details.

and once the vaccine with the chip is rolled out…

I’ll only get one or the other thank-you very much. I’m not taking a vaccine and getting chipped!

Witty Rejoinder said:

JudgeMental said:

Divine Angel said:

Re: COVIDSafe app.

A friend on Facebook asked if we were downloading the app, and why/why not. A number of people responded that they don’t like being tracked. One person said they don’t mind giving companies their info eg facebook, but the govt doesn’t need to know our details.

I laughed until my gut hurt. The govt already knows all your details.

and once the vaccine with the chip is rolled out…

I’ll only get one or the other thank-you very much. I’m not taking a vaccine and getting chipped!

You’ll do as you’re damn well told!

party_pants said:

Woodie said:

Woodie said:

Three moolion……….. Three moolion………. Do I hear Three moolion……….

Three moolion going once…… Three moolion going twice…………

raises hammer

Are we all done? Are we all silent?

…Aaaaaaand we’ve sailed right past 3,000,000 without even a bump.

Just shy of 1,000,000 conformed cases in the USA. Near enough to call it one third.

Well fuck. Less than 2 weeks to get a million more cases.

Divine Angel said:

party_pants said:

Woodie said:

raises hammer

Are we all done? Are we all silent?

…Aaaaaaand we’ve sailed right past 3,000,000 without even a bump.

Just shy of 1,000,000 conformed cases in the USA. Near enough to call it one third.

Well fuck. Less than 2 weeks to get a million more cases.

SOLD

Woodie said:

Divine Angel said:

party_pants said:

…Aaaaaaand we’ve sailed right past 3,000,000 without even a bump.

Just shy of 1,000,000 conformed cases in the USA. Near enough to call it one third.

Well fuck. Less than 2 weeks to get a million more cases.

SOLD

where are you getting this info?

Arts said:

Woodie said:

Divine Angel said:

Well fuck. Less than 2 weeks to get a million more cases.

SOLD

where are you getting this info?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Arts said:

Woodie said:

Divine Angel said:

Well fuck. Less than 2 weeks to get a million more cases.

SOLD

where are you getting this info?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Arts said:

Woodie said:

Divine Angel said:

Well fuck. Less than 2 weeks to get a million more cases.

SOLD

where are you getting this info?

Where everyone else does and cuts’n‘snips. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Woodie said:

Arts said:

Woodie said:

SOLD

where are you getting this info?

Where everyone else does and cuts’n‘snips. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

c’m‘on dude, if you’d just kept to the copy-paste address we could’ve had a hat trick

party_pants said:

Arts said:

Woodie said:

SOLD

where are you getting this info?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

thank you

SCIENCE said:

Woodie said:

Arts said:

where are you getting this info?

Where everyone else does and cuts’n‘snips. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

c’m‘on dude, if you’d just kept to the copy-paste address we could’ve had a hat trick

Sometimes it’s about the personal touch

Woodie said:

Arts said:

Woodie said:

SOLD

where are you getting this info?

Where everyone else does and cuts’n‘snips. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

thanks, I have been watching the JH map, but it’s not always up to date…

Cowpox makes a Comeback in the Fight for Herd (flock) Immunity

A team of scientists at Scripps Research Institute mapped an antibody recovered from a survivor of the 2003 SARS epidemic, revealing a potential vulnerable target site. At the same time, researchers in Germany ran continual tests on the first nine COVID-19 patients in the country, obtaining unprecedented knowledge about the virus’s infectious viral particles.

CR3022. Researchers discovered that although this antibody was produced in response to SARS, it cross-reacts with COVID-19. In fact, according to the paper, the antibody’s binding site is highly similar between the two coronaviruses, differing by just four amino-acids. That high degree of similarity implies that the site has an important function that would be lost if it mutated significantly. Additionally, CR3022 appears to neutralize COVID-19’s ability to infect cells in a patient in an indirect way.

it bonds much less tightly to COVID-19 than it does to the SARS virus, and it cannot neutralize COVID-19 in lab tests

There’s probably more than 20 million cases really

A six-month-old UK girl born with a heart condition has beaten coronavirus, earning her a guard of honour from her doctors and nurses.
As Erin Bates was wheeled through the corridor of Alder Hey Children’s Hospital in Liverpool over the weekend healthcare workers framed her path while clapping.

The UK is going to get very close to overtaking Germany by the end of the day.

dv said:

There’s probably more than 20 million cases really

damn those West Taiwan cover up

party_pants said:

The UK is going to get very close to overtaking Germany by the end of the day.

No-one knows that the UK situation really is. My estimate of true active cases was that the two hit parity on the 20/4. Seven days back.

preferred 8M estimate

Some dudett on the wireless was saying there aint gunna be any coronavirus baby boom, too much uncertainty for couples to think about making babies.
Could be right.

Peak Warming Man said:

Some dudett on the wireless was saying there aint gunna be any coronavirus baby boom, too much uncertainty for couples to think about making babies.
Could be right.

If FB is to be believed there are plenty of people getting less sex than ever because they are locked down away from their partners or can’t go out hooking up

Peak Warming Man said:

Some dudett on the wireless was saying there aint gunna be any coronavirus baby boom, too much uncertainty for couples to think about making babies.
Could be right.

It’s a shithouse time to be pregnant, that’s for sure. Reduced face-to-face medical care, parental job losses etc…

Maybe people aren’t having sex because they’re exhausted from homeschooling other kids 🤷‍♀️

dv said:

I didn’t realise that Arts used ‘autie-girl-power’ as an alternative handle.

Now they’re all having a go at BFG.

Divine Angel said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Some dudett on the wireless was saying there aint gunna be any coronavirus baby boom, too much uncertainty for couples to think about making babies.
Could be right.

It’s a shithouse time to be pregnant, that’s for sure. Reduced face-to-face medical care, parental job losses etc…

Maybe people aren’t having sex because they’re exhausted from homeschooling other kids 🤷‍♀️

well have birth control products run off the shelves at shops yet

sibeen said:

You mean Bill Gates is not God?

Spain having a shocker toady. 9,570 already, which is a new PB :(

I suspect there was some kind of adjustment of figures not accounted for earlier.

party_pants said:

Spain having a shocker toady. 9,570 already, which is a new PB :(

I suspect there was some kind of adjustment of figures not accounted for earlier.

Nope. It was a glitch. Figure has been revised down to 2793.

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-national-alert-as-coronavirus-related-condition-may-be-emerging-in-children/7027496.article

JudgeMental said:

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-national-alert-as-coronavirus-related-condition-may-be-emerging-in-children/7027496.article

Marvelous. Just bloody marvelous.

sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-national-alert-as-coronavirus-related-condition-may-be-emerging-in-children/7027496.article

Marvelous. Just bloody marvelous.

Yeah, I think there’s still a lot to learn about this f’n thing.

The strokes in the middle-aged patients are just becoming more obvious, too.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-national-alert-as-coronavirus-related-condition-may-be-emerging-in-children/7027496.article

Marvelous. Just bloody marvelous.

Yeah, I think there’s still a lot to learn about this f’n thing.

The strokes in the middle-aged patients are just becoming more obvious, too.

per the sanitation virulence hypothesis we would expect the emergence of strains that cause more severe disease, in populations where the spread of the pathogen has been poorly controlled

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Marvelous. Just bloody marvelous.

Yeah, I think there’s still a lot to learn about this f’n thing.

The strokes in the middle-aged patients are just becoming more obvious, too.

per the sanitation virulence hypothesis we would expect the emergence of strains that cause more severe disease, in populations where the spread of the pathogen has been poorly controlled

The evidence of the vascular & blood problems is strong. Has been observed since the early days.

sarahs mum said:

Mr ohio.-
There are those wanting to reopen OH yet they’re being classified as selfish. There are those that rely on all kinds of people to supply them while they cower in fear at home. Isn’t that being selfish too?

You expect your garbage to be picked up, you expect the grocery store to be open so you can get milk, you expect truck drivers to supply the stores, you expect farmers, meat packers, fruit and vegetable pickers all to keep food in that grocery store.

You expect Amazon to still ship all the things you’re ordering while you sit at home shopping. You expect the delivery driver to leave it on your doorstep. You expect your phone to work, your power to stay on, and your mail to show up rain, sleet, or shine.

And most important, you expect the doctors and nurses to be there if you need them.

The whole premise of shelter in place is based on the arrogant idea that others must risk their health so you can protect yours. There is nothing virtuous about ignoring the largely invisible army required to allow people to shelter in place.

I know there are some of you that are screaming mad about what I just said but stop and really think about what is allowing you to stay safe in your home.

I truly believe that with some common sense on my part, I could easily go back to life as it was. I want to go to restaurants, I want to shop at the little store just up the road.

And yes, I could catch COVID-19. I could also catch the flu or a cold, I could get run over by a bus, I could get struck by lightning. We take risks everyday. If you choose to stay home, that is absolutely your choice. And please don’t start screaming at me about how I’ll just spread it. Why are you worried? You won’t get it because you’re staying in your home. Are you going to shelter in place every time a new strand of the flu happens?

Our economy can’t withstand much more of this. If our economy collapses, so will the rest of the world’s. If that happens, you will see the rise of tyrants

I absolutely don’t want people to die…from COVID or anything else. I want people to live.

But sheltering in place is not living.

Share this if you agree!!
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(we are including this here (thanks to contributor) because we believe the discussion it entails is relevant to the pandemic, and to defend in argument it is useful to know what points of view are out there)

SCIENCE said:

(we are including this here (thanks to contributor) because we believe the discussion it entails is relevant to the pandemic, and to defend in argument it is useful to know what points of view are out there)

That’s the reason I still read Mr ohio. I’ve stopped trying to reason with Ohio. But I am still trying to work it out.

JudgeMental said:

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-national-alert-as-coronavirus-related-condition-may-be-emerging-in-children/7027496.article

Might be the beginning of humanity being knocked off his perch. Will be interesting to see the result of all these countries relaxing their shutdown operations.

https://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/6736946/burnie-doctor-calls-for-independent-inquiry-now/

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/6736946/burnie-doctor-calls-for-independent-inquiry-now/

I’m having a Marvin moment in my contribution to coronavirus modelling for RMIT. My role is in accurately predicting droplet deposition rates, but I don’t think it matters. Deposition is dominated by settling under the action of gravity and any fluid dynamics software has that built in. In my previous work I also looked at about ten other deposition methods that don’t rely on gravity.

Previous modelling of coronavirus spread by computational fluid dynamics is defective because:
1) It fails to take account of the angle of the cough below the horizontal.
2) It fails to take account of ambient air velocities.
3) Uncertainties about the size of the cough and how that relates to the number of droplets.
4) Uncertainties about the droplet diameter distribution.
5) Uncertainties about the minimum lethal dose.

The dominant infection method is by inhalation of droplets larger than 5 microns in diameter. Other infection methods are less significant. Re-infection has been observed in several cases in Korea, and I would surmise that that is largely due to mechanical contact between cutlery and moist stored foods such as leftovers, jam and butter. A third proposed infection method is by inhalation of desiccated sub-microscale droplets after all the moisture has been evaporated off, that’s tentative because it isn’t known if dehydration kills the virus. I surmise that infection by deposition on surfaces followed by hand to mouth contact is a negligible component. Do you have any evidence otherwise?

If inhaling a single desiccated sub-microscale particle is a significant infection method then I hardly need to say that that changes the whole ball-game. These would be easy to resuspend from such a process as vacuuming of carpets. And they could travel up to a kilometre in a gentle breeze. Another resuspension method of note would be taking off clothes.

As for deposition, deposition of moist droplets on upward-facing surfaces is going to be of the rough order of 100 times as large as on vertical and downward-facing surfaces. And the deposition on upward-facing surfaces is going to be dominated by gravity, which can easily be switched on in CFD simulation.

So why bother going into more detail on deposition?

Peak Warming Man said:

Some dudett on the wireless was saying there aint gunna be any coronavirus baby boom, too much uncertainty for couples to think about making babies.
Could be right.

When did people ever think about making babies?

mollwollfumble said:

So why bother going into more detail on deposition?

if the outcome of the model depends so much on this detail we would be extremely surprised

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/6736946/burnie-doctor-calls-for-independent-inquiry-now/

healthcare workers getting fked is a typical pattern of these diseases

there are a few causes of this and some are suggested in article

but we thought it was all meant to be because of their illegal healthcare worker party ¿

Betoota Advocate:

‘Government Who Blame Every Website Crash On Hackers Confused By Suspicion Towards Tracing App’

captain_spalding said:

Betoota Advocate:

‘Government Who Blame Every Website Crash On Hackers Confused By Suspicion Towards Tracing App’

not just that…

So what did everyone here say ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-28/covidsafe-tracing-app-data-may-not-be-protected-from-usa/12189372

Global tech giant Amazon may not be able to protect Australian Government data held in its Australian servers — including data gathered by the COVID-19 tracing app released on Sunday — from US subpoenas, according to legal experts and crossbenchers.

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Betoota Advocate:

‘Government Who Blame Every Website Crash On Hackers Confused By Suspicion Towards Tracing App’

not just that…

So what did everyone here say ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-28/covidsafe-tracing-app-data-may-not-be-protected-from-usa/12189372

Global tech giant Amazon may not be able to protect Australian Government data held in its Australian servers — including data gathered by the COVID-19 tracing app released on Sunday — from US subpoenas, according to legal experts and crossbenchers.

Yes, the data is very well protected while it’s in Australia.

But it’s not in Australia for more than a couple of milliseconds.

“In numeracy, it’s about 13 weeks across a full school year of learning that will be lost basically … for literacy and reading skills it’s slightly lower but it’s still about nine to 10 weeks, that’s our estimate,” he said.

So our students will be 3.8 years behind the best in world, instead of 3.5 years ¿

Guess it’s easy to blame COVID-19 but it’ll make all 8.6% difference ¡

Not saying that wouldn’t be a huge say case fatality rate, but in the education context, we’d be better off fixing the other problems…

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Betoota Advocate:

‘Government Who Blame Every Website Crash On Hackers Confused By Suspicion Towards Tracing App’

not just that…

So what did everyone here say ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-28/covidsafe-tracing-app-data-may-not-be-protected-from-usa/12189372

Global tech giant Amazon may not be able to protect Australian Government data held in its Australian servers — including data gathered by the COVID-19 tracing app released on Sunday — from US subpoenas, according to legal experts and crossbenchers.

Yes, the data is very well protected while it’s in Australia.

But it’s not in Australia for more than a couple of milliseconds.

don’t worry they’re up to 2M downloads now, this is going to end well

Most Australians approve of Scott Morrison and the state premiers’ handling of the coronavirus pandemic but like everywhere else except Wuhan, they approve of the local regional leader more

Disapprove/Approve
PM Scott Morrison 22%/64%
Annastacia Palaszczuk (Qld) 19%/64%
Gladys Berejiklian (NSW) 15%/70%
Daniel Andrews (Vic) 15%/77%
Steven Marshall (SA) 7%/81%
Mark McGowan (WA) 7%/91%

SCIENCE said:

Most Australians approve of Scott Morrison and the state premiers’ handling of the coronavirus pandemic but like everywhere else except Wuhan, they approve of the local regional leader more

Disapprove/Approve
PM Scott Morrison 22%/64%
Annastacia Palaszczuk (Qld) 19%/64%
Gladys Berejiklian (NSW) 15%/70%
Daniel Andrews (Vic) 15%/77%
Steven Marshall (SA) 7%/81%
Mark McGowan (WA) 7%/91%

Is there a reason they never ask me?

Apparently

“More [Australians] are worried about the economy than about catching coronavirus … But there’s almost no appetite for an immediate end to restrictions”

which suggests they realise that measures are successfully limiting spread, fitting with

“And only a very small minority think the Government has over-reacted”

survey fielded between April 18 and April 22, 2020, known as the COVID-19 Monitor (Australia) Wave 1

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Most Australians approve of Scott Morrison and the state premiers’ handling of the coronavirus pandemic but like everywhere else except Wuhan, they approve of the local regional leader more

Disapprove/Approve
PM Scott Morrison 22%/64%
Annastacia Palaszczuk (Qld) 19%/64%
Gladys Berejiklian (NSW) 15%/70%
Daniel Andrews (Vic) 15%/77%
Steven Marshall (SA) 7%/81%
Mark McGowan (WA) 7%/91%

Is there a reason they never ask me?

are you on the roll

note: you are under no obligation to answer this question truthfully

SCIENCE said:

Apparently

“More [Australians] are worried about the economy than about catching coronavirus … But there’s almost no appetite for an immediate end to restrictions”

which suggests they realise that measures are successfully limiting spread, fitting with

“And only a very small minority think the Government has over-reacted”

survey fielded between April 18 and April 22, 2020, known as the COVID-19 Monitor (Australia) Wave 1

A general conversation at the supermart goes;
them, “It’s all a bit over the top”
me, “Yeah we are pretty safe here”
them, “Until someone(insert racial or other comments here) sneaks in”
me, “Not enough police to block all the roads in”
them, “well lucky we locked down and socially distanced then”

me, “hope we keep it up as long as the science tells us to?”
them, (sometimes reluctant) “yeah”.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Most Australians approve of Scott Morrison and the state premiers’ handling of the coronavirus pandemic but like everywhere else except Wuhan, they approve of the local regional leader more

Disapprove/Approve
PM Scott Morrison 22%/64%
Annastacia Palaszczuk (Qld) 19%/64%
Gladys Berejiklian (NSW) 15%/70%
Daniel Andrews (Vic) 15%/77%
Steven Marshall (SA) 7%/81%
Mark McGowan (WA) 7%/91%

Is there a reason they never ask me?

are you on the roll

note: you are under no obligation to answer this question truthfully

Well, I was born here. ;)

While COVIDSafe data will remain in Australia, it is held by US-based company Amazon, which can be legally compelled to provide that data to US law enforcement

—

wait we thought only authoritarian police states like West Taiwan could do that to dodgy vaccine virus telecommunications companies like Huawei which is why we banned them from making our networks world class, just like we knew that copper strips would be better than strands of sand for our NBN

SCIENCE said:

While COVIDSafe data will remain in Australia, it is held by US-based company Amazon, which can be legally compelled to provide that data to US law enforcement

—

wait we thought only authoritarian police states like West Taiwan could do that to dodgy vaccine virus telecommunications companies like Huawei which is why we banned them from making our networks world class, just like we knew that copper strips would be better than strands of sand for our NBN

It really is quite surprising to note how many tiimes you are asked to provide information to amazon as you surf the websites. You can say no and it doesn’t change how you view the site so it would seem an unnecessary cookie for your personal web experience. However, why does amazon want to know? By the way, the same cookie also goes to doubleclick and others.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Is there a reason they never ask me?

are you on the roll

note: you are under no obligation to answer this question truthfully

Well, I was born here. ;)

there are reasons people get taken off…

person no longer lives at their enrolled address
enrolled person is now deceased
has been convicted of treason or treachery

etc

in this zombie apocalypse we’re all undead so maybe all struck down

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

are you on the roll

note: you are under no obligation to answer this question truthfully

Well, I was born here. ;)

there are reasons people get taken off…

person no longer lives at their enrolled address
enrolled person is now deceased
has been convicted of treason or treachery

etc

in this zombie apocalypse we’re all undead so maybe all struck down

I’m none of the above.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Betoota Advocate:

‘Government Who Blame Every Website Crash On Hackers Confused By Suspicion Towards Tracing App’

not just that…

So what did everyone here say ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-28/covidsafe-tracing-app-data-may-not-be-protected-from-usa/12189372

Global tech giant Amazon may not be able to protect Australian Government data held in its Australian servers — including data gathered by the COVID-19 tracing app released on Sunday — from US subpoenas, according to legal experts and crossbenchers.

Yes, the data is very well protected while it’s in Australia.

But it’s not in Australia for more than a couple of milliseconds.

Nup. Amazon has big data centres in Sydney. There is no need for the data to be stored overseas.

That doesn’t change the danger from a US subpoena as Amazon is a USA based company.

sibeen said:

This true. There’s no need for the data to be stored outside australia.

However, there’s no need for it not to be, either.

Once Amazon has it, it’s up to Amazon (and whoever they’ve been discussing the matter with) where it gets stored.

“Metropolitan Wastewater Analysis for COVID-19 Epidemiological Surveillance

Abstract

Background: The COVID-19 disease, caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), is a rapidly emerging pandemic which has enforced extreme containment measures worldwide. In the absence of a vaccine or efficient treatment, cost-effective epidemiological surveillance strategies are urgently needed.

Methods: Here, we have used RT-qPCR for SARS-CoV-2 detection in a series of longitudinal metropolitan wastewaters samples collected during the earliest stages of the epidemic in the Region of Valencia, Spain. Results: We were able to consistently detect SARS-CoV-2 RNA in samples taken when communicated cases in that region were only incipient. We also find that the wastewater viral RNA context increased rapidly and anticipated the subsequent ascent in the number of declared cases.

Interpretation: Our results strongly suggest that the virus was undergoing community transmission earlier than previously believed, and show that wastewater analysis is a sensitive and cost-effective strategy for COVID-19 epidemiological surveillance. Routine implementation of this surveillance tool would significantly improve our preparedness against new or re-occurring viral outbreaks.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076679v1

I really hope Australian authorities implement this strategy. There’s enough in the literature already to indicate this would be a valuable tool to predict an outbreak.

Michael V said:

“Metropolitan Wastewater Analysis for COVID-19 Epidemiological Surveillance

Abstract

Background: The COVID-19 disease, caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), is a rapidly emerging pandemic which has enforced extreme containment measures worldwide. In the absence of a vaccine or efficient treatment, cost-effective epidemiological surveillance strategies are urgently needed.

Methods: Here, we have used RT-qPCR for SARS-CoV-2 detection in a series of longitudinal metropolitan wastewaters samples collected during the earliest stages of the epidemic in the Region of Valencia, Spain. Results: We were able to consistently detect SARS-CoV-2 RNA in samples taken when communicated cases in that region were only incipient. We also find that the wastewater viral RNA context increased rapidly and anticipated the subsequent ascent in the number of declared cases.

Interpretation: Our results strongly suggest that the virus was undergoing community transmission earlier than previously believed, and show that wastewater analysis is a sensitive and cost-effective strategy for COVID-19 epidemiological surveillance. Routine implementation of this surveillance tool would significantly improve our preparedness against new or re-occurring viral outbreaks.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076679v1

I really hope Australian authorities implement this strategy. There’s enough in the literature already to indicate this would be a valuable tool to predict an outbreak.

As an ongoing continuous test or when an outbreak has been detected elsewhere in the world

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“Metropolitan Wastewater Analysis for COVID-19 Epidemiological Surveillance

Abstract

Background: The COVID-19 disease, caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), is a rapidly emerging pandemic which has enforced extreme containment measures worldwide. In the absence of a vaccine or efficient treatment, cost-effective epidemiological surveillance strategies are urgently needed.

Methods: Here, we have used RT-qPCR for SARS-CoV-2 detection in a series of longitudinal metropolitan wastewaters samples collected during the earliest stages of the epidemic in the Region of Valencia, Spain. Results: We were able to consistently detect SARS-CoV-2 RNA in samples taken when communicated cases in that region were only incipient. We also find that the wastewater viral RNA context increased rapidly and anticipated the subsequent ascent in the number of declared cases.

Interpretation: Our results strongly suggest that the virus was undergoing community transmission earlier than previously believed, and show that wastewater analysis is a sensitive and cost-effective strategy for COVID-19 epidemiological surveillance. Routine implementation of this surveillance tool would significantly improve our preparedness against new or re-occurring viral outbreaks.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076679v1

I really hope Australian authorities implement this strategy. There’s enough in the literature already to indicate this would be a valuable tool to predict an outbreak.

As an ongoing continuous test or when an outbreak has been detected elsewhere in the world

I imagine wastewater treatment plants are testing water all the time, just another thing to add to the suite I suppose…

Michael V said:

“Metropolitan Wastewater Analysis for COVID-19 Epidemiological Surveillance

Abstract

Background: The COVID-19 disease, caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), is a rapidly emerging pandemic which has enforced extreme containment measures worldwide. In the absence of a vaccine or efficient treatment, cost-effective epidemiological surveillance strategies are urgently needed.

Methods: Here, we have used RT-qPCR for SARS-CoV-2 detection in a series of longitudinal metropolitan wastewaters samples collected during the earliest stages of the epidemic in the Region of Valencia, Spain. Results: We were able to consistently detect SARS-CoV-2 RNA in samples taken when communicated cases in that region were only incipient. We also find that the wastewater viral RNA context increased rapidly and anticipated the subsequent ascent in the number of declared cases.

Interpretation: Our results strongly suggest that the virus was undergoing community transmission earlier than previously believed, and show that wastewater analysis is a sensitive and cost-effective strategy for COVID-19 epidemiological surveillance. Routine implementation of this surveillance tool would significantly improve our preparedness against new or re-occurring viral outbreaks.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076679v1

I really hope Australian authorities implement this strategy. There’s enough in the literature already to indicate this would be a valuable tool to predict an outbreak.

Impressive.

Michael V said:

“Metropolitan Wastewater Analysis for COVID-19 Epidemiological Surveillance

Abstract

Background: The COVID-19 disease, caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), is a rapidly emerging pandemic which has enforced extreme containment measures worldwide. In the absence of a vaccine or efficient treatment, cost-effective epidemiological surveillance strategies are urgently needed.

Methods: Here, we have used RT-qPCR for SARS-CoV-2 detection in a series of longitudinal metropolitan wastewaters samples collected during the earliest stages of the epidemic in the Region of Valencia, Spain. Results: We were able to consistently detect SARS-CoV-2 RNA in samples taken when communicated cases in that region were only incipient. We also find that the wastewater viral RNA context increased rapidly and anticipated the subsequent ascent in the number of declared cases.

Interpretation: Our results strongly suggest that the virus was undergoing community transmission earlier than previously believed, and show that wastewater analysis is a sensitive and cost-effective strategy for COVID-19 epidemiological surveillance. Routine implementation of this surveillance tool would significantly improve our preparedness against new or re-occurring viral outbreaks.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076679v1

I really hope Australian authorities implement this strategy. There’s enough in the literature already to indicate this would be a valuable tool to predict an outbreak.

Incipient. What a wonderful word. Incipient.

Incipient…… In-sip-i-ent…….. Incipient.

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“Metropolitan Wastewater Analysis for COVID-19 Epidemiological Surveillance

Abstract

Background: The COVID-19 disease, caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), is a rapidly emerging pandemic which has enforced extreme containment measures worldwide. In the absence of a vaccine or efficient treatment, cost-effective epidemiological surveillance strategies are urgently needed.

Methods: Here, we have used RT-qPCR for SARS-CoV-2 detection in a series of longitudinal metropolitan wastewaters samples collected during the earliest stages of the epidemic in the Region of Valencia, Spain. Results: We were able to consistently detect SARS-CoV-2 RNA in samples taken when communicated cases in that region were only incipient. We also find that the wastewater viral RNA context increased rapidly and anticipated the subsequent ascent in the number of declared cases.

Interpretation: Our results strongly suggest that the virus was undergoing community transmission earlier than previously believed, and show that wastewater analysis is a sensitive and cost-effective strategy for COVID-19 epidemiological surveillance. Routine implementation of this surveillance tool would significantly improve our preparedness against new or re-occurring viral outbreaks.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076679v1

I really hope Australian authorities implement this strategy. There’s enough in the literature already to indicate this would be a valuable tool to predict an outbreak.

As an ongoing continuous test or when an outbreak has been detected elsewhere in the world

Only when it is incipient.

Incipient is my word du jour.

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“Metropolitan Wastewater Analysis for COVID-19 Epidemiological Surveillance

Abstract

Background: The COVID-19 disease, caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), is a rapidly emerging pandemic which has enforced extreme containment measures worldwide. In the absence of a vaccine or efficient treatment, cost-effective epidemiological surveillance strategies are urgently needed.

Methods: Here, we have used RT-qPCR for SARS-CoV-2 detection in a series of longitudinal metropolitan wastewaters samples collected during the earliest stages of the epidemic in the Region of Valencia, Spain. Results: We were able to consistently detect SARS-CoV-2 RNA in samples taken when communicated cases in that region were only incipient. We also find that the wastewater viral RNA context increased rapidly and anticipated the subsequent ascent in the number of declared cases.

Interpretation: Our results strongly suggest that the virus was undergoing community transmission earlier than previously believed, and show that wastewater analysis is a sensitive and cost-effective strategy for COVID-19 epidemiological surveillance. Routine implementation of this surveillance tool would significantly improve our preparedness against new or re-occurring viral outbreaks.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076679v1

I really hope Australian authorities implement this strategy. There’s enough in the literature already to indicate this would be a valuable tool to predict an outbreak.

As an ongoing continuous test or when an outbreak has been detected elsewhere in the world

Daily testing now and on-going for all wastewater in Australia. .

furious said:

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“Metropolitan Wastewater Analysis for COVID-19 Epidemiological Surveillance

Abstract

Background: The COVID-19 disease, caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), is a rapidly emerging pandemic which has enforced extreme containment measures worldwide. In the absence of a vaccine or efficient treatment, cost-effective epidemiological surveillance strategies are urgently needed.

Methods: Here, we have used RT-qPCR for SARS-CoV-2 detection in a series of longitudinal metropolitan wastewaters samples collected during the earliest stages of the epidemic in the Region of Valencia, Spain. Results: We were able to consistently detect SARS-CoV-2 RNA in samples taken when communicated cases in that region were only incipient. We also find that the wastewater viral RNA context increased rapidly and anticipated the subsequent ascent in the number of declared cases.

Interpretation: Our results strongly suggest that the virus was undergoing community transmission earlier than previously believed, and show that wastewater analysis is a sensitive and cost-effective strategy for COVID-19 epidemiological surveillance. Routine implementation of this surveillance tool would significantly improve our preparedness against new or re-occurring viral outbreaks.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076679v1

I really hope Australian authorities implement this strategy. There’s enough in the literature already to indicate this would be a valuable tool to predict an outbreak.

As an ongoing continuous test or when an outbreak has been detected elsewhere in the world

I imagine wastewater treatment plants are testing water all the time, just another thing to add to the suite I suppose…

Yes. This.

furious said:

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“Metropolitan Wastewater Analysis for COVID-19 Epidemiological Surveillance

Abstract

Background: The COVID-19 disease, caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), is a rapidly emerging pandemic which has enforced extreme containment measures worldwide. In the absence of a vaccine or efficient treatment, cost-effective epidemiological surveillance strategies are urgently needed.

Methods: Here, we have used RT-qPCR for SARS-CoV-2 detection in a series of longitudinal metropolitan wastewaters samples collected during the earliest stages of the epidemic in the Region of Valencia, Spain. Results: We were able to consistently detect SARS-CoV-2 RNA in samples taken when communicated cases in that region were only incipient. We also find that the wastewater viral RNA context increased rapidly and anticipated the subsequent ascent in the number of declared cases.

Interpretation: Our results strongly suggest that the virus was undergoing community transmission earlier than previously believed, and show that wastewater analysis is a sensitive and cost-effective strategy for COVID-19 epidemiological surveillance. Routine implementation of this surveillance tool would significantly improve our preparedness against new or re-occurring viral outbreaks.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076679v1

I really hope Australian authorities implement this strategy. There’s enough in the literature already to indicate this would be a valuable tool to predict an outbreak.

As an ongoing continuous test or when an outbreak has been detected elsewhere in the world

I imagine wastewater treatment plants are testing water all the time, just another thing to add to the suite I suppose…

Yes

Donald Trump tells new coronavirus briefing he ‘can’t imagine’ why there are reports of Americans drinking disinfectant

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-28/trumps-coronavirus-briefings-back-kim-jong-un-delay-election/12192072

“Hey Mini Me, should people drink bleach?”
“No!”

My 5 yr old is smarter than the POTUS.

Michael V said:

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“Metropolitan Wastewater Analysis for COVID-19 Epidemiological Surveillance

Abstract

Background: The COVID-19 disease, caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), is a rapidly emerging pandemic which has enforced extreme containment measures worldwide. In the absence of a vaccine or efficient treatment, cost-effective epidemiological surveillance strategies are urgently needed.

Methods: Here, we have used RT-qPCR for SARS-CoV-2 detection in a series of longitudinal metropolitan wastewaters samples collected during the earliest stages of the epidemic in the Region of Valencia, Spain. Results: We were able to consistently detect SARS-CoV-2 RNA in samples taken when communicated cases in that region were only incipient. We also find that the wastewater viral RNA context increased rapidly and anticipated the subsequent ascent in the number of declared cases.

Interpretation: Our results strongly suggest that the virus was undergoing community transmission earlier than previously believed, and show that wastewater analysis is a sensitive and cost-effective strategy for COVID-19 epidemiological surveillance. Routine implementation of this surveillance tool would significantly improve our preparedness against new or re-occurring viral outbreaks.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076679v1

I really hope Australian authorities implement this strategy. There’s enough in the literature already to indicate this would be a valuable tool to predict an outbreak.

As an ongoing continuous test or when an outbreak has been detected elsewhere in the world

Daily testing now and on-going for all wastewater in Australia. .

You are going to need a way bigger testing suite if you are going to test for everything…

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Cymek said:

As an ongoing continuous test or when an outbreak has been detected elsewhere in the world

Daily testing now and on-going for all wastewater in Australia. .

You are going to need a way bigger testing suite if you are going to test for everything…

I wasn’t suggesting for everything. Just SARS-CoV-2.

I have no idea whether many other diseases (eg influenza) shed through faeces. SARS-CoV-2 clearly does.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Daily testing now and on-going for all wastewater in Australia. .

You are going to need a way bigger testing suite if you are going to test for everything…

I wasn’t suggesting for everything. Just SARS-CoV-2.

I have no idea whether many other diseases (eg influenza) shed through faeces. SARS-CoV-2 clearly does.

Quite a long test for pathogens. AFAIK they need to be grown & identified.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Daily testing now and on-going for all wastewater in Australia. .

You are going to need a way bigger testing suite if you are going to test for everything…

I wasn’t suggesting for everything. Just SARS-CoV-2.

I have no idea whether many other diseases (eg influenza) shed through faeces. SARS-CoV-2 clearly does.

I wonder if eventually we will have smart toilets that could analyse waste for illness / disease

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

You are going to need a way bigger testing suite if you are going to test for everything…

I wasn’t suggesting for everything. Just SARS-CoV-2.

I have no idea whether many other diseases (eg influenza) shed through faeces. SARS-CoV-2 clearly does.

Quite a long test for pathogens. AFAIK they need to be grown & identified.

Viruses are different. From that piece it looks like you have to do RNA testing. What you are thinking of is plating for bacteria, I think.