Controversial Discovery Says Origins of Human Language Existed 25 Million Years Ago

A structure critical to our brain’s core language pathway, found only in humans and apes, has now also been identified in monkeys, according to a controversial new study – suggesting the origins of language may have appeared 20 to 25 million years earlier than previously thought.

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Nice

dv said:

Nice

Highly controversial is an understatement, any relationship we have with monkeys goes back much further than 25 million years and why aren’t we chatting away with other primates after all this time? Fanciful to put it mildly.

Nice work.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Nice work.

Should end your comment with a question mark.

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Nice work.

Should end your comment with a question mark.

No, I’m satisfied with the article and have no problem with their research.

You can write directly to them if you have issues.

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Nice work.

Should end your comment with a question mark.

No, I’m satisfied with the article and have no problem with their research.

You can write directly to them if you have issues.

If you have counter arguments then feel free to post them.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Should end your comment with a question mark.

No, I’m satisfied with the article and have no problem with their research.

You can write directly to them if you have issues.

If you have counter arguments then feel free to post them.

Apes have been around for around 37 million years and we are an ape. All the researchers have done was dissect the brains of a few monkeys and from that limited information decided they could talk and have possibly done so for millions of years. We have the remnants of a tail bone, and that has been so for over 37 million years (apes do not have tails) and yet it still didn’t develop into a tail. Why is that? Because we have no need of a tail! And besides basic calls, moneys have no need of a sophisticated language.

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

No, I’m satisfied with the article and have no problem with their research.

You can write directly to them if you have issues.

If you have counter arguments then feel free to post them.

Apes have been around for around 37 million years and we are an ape. All the researchers have done was dissect the brains of a few monkeys and from that limited information decided they could talk and have possibly done so for millions of years. We have the remnants of a tail bone, and that has been so for over 37 million years (apes do not have tails) and yet it still didn’t develop into a tail. Why is that? Because we have no need of a tail! And besides basic calls, moneys have no need of a sophisticated language.

moneys = monkeys

Tau.Neutrino said:

Controversial Discovery Says Origins of Human Language Existed 25 Million Years Ago

A structure critical to our brain’s core language pathway, found only in humans and apes, has now also been identified in monkeys, according to a controversial new study – suggesting the origins of language may have appeared 20 to 25 million years earlier than previously thought.

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https://youtu.be/beCYGm1vMJ0

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Controversial Discovery Says Origins of Human Language Existed 25 Million Years Ago

A structure critical to our brain’s core language pathway, found only in humans and apes, has now also been identified in monkeys, according to a controversial new study – suggesting the origins of language may have appeared 20 to 25 million years earlier than previously thought.

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https://youtu.be/beCYGm1vMJ0

…and idiginous

Some thoughts.

Apes and monkey’s do have vocal responses to identity, food and danger. some can also read sign language.

Monkeys process tails because they live in trees, apes do not have tails and are not as agile as the monkeys.

Originally we lived in trees, then with land clearing and of millions of years of not being in trees, our ancestors sat on their bums and of millions of years sitting around, being on flat ground, sitting on our bums around camp fires it slowly retreated

With so much time on out hands and so much time sitting around looking at each other we developed speech out of the same basic vocalisations for identity, food and danger as the monkeys and apes.

identify has self
ancient people started pointing to each other then vocalisations became an ancient form and start of names

food needs
started with pointing to mouth and stomach and vocalisations for basic food.

danger
started with pointing and vocalisations for danger

and then vocalisations developed for other needs

IMO the monkeys and apes will probably develop speech, just a question of which species and when, it may take hundreds of thousands of years or millions of years or it might happen sooner, who knows, but it probably will happen at some point.

Other animals have shown signs of speech recognition, whales, dolphins, horses, dogs…..

Tau.Neutrino said:

Some thoughts.

Apes and monkey’s do have vocal responses to identity, food and danger. some can also read sign language.

Monkeys process tails because they live in trees, apes do not have tails and are not as agile as the monkeys.

Originally we lived in trees, then with land clearing and of millions of years of not being in trees, our ancestors sat on their bums and of millions of years sitting around, being on flat ground, sitting on our bums around camp fires it slowly retreated

With so much time on out hands and so much time sitting around looking at each other we developed speech out of the same basic vocalisations for identity, food and danger as the monkeys and apes.

identify has self
ancient people started pointing to each other then vocalisations became an ancient form and start of names

food needs
started with pointing to mouth and stomach and vocalisations for basic food.

danger
started with pointing and vocalisations for danger

and then vocalisations developed for other needs

IMO the monkeys and apes will probably develop speech, just a question of which species and when, it may take hundreds of thousands of years or millions of years or it might happen sooner, who knows, but it probably will happen at some point.

Other animals have shown signs of speech recognition, whales, dolphins, horses, dogs…..

Can’t argue with that.

Why Did Humans Lose Their Tails?

Short answer because we don’t need to balance ourselves in trees any more.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why Did Humans Lose Their Tails?

Short answer because we don’t need to balance ourselves in trees any more.

Why didn’t they tell the Orangutans?

nice picture of grooming up top that page, nobody here picks fleas off me

interesting article, on a more serious note

Tau.Neutrino said:

Controversial Discovery Says Origins of Human Language Existed 25 Million Years Ago

A structure critical to our brain’s core language pathway, found only in humans and apes, has now also been identified in monkeys, according to a controversial new study – suggesting the origins of language may have appeared 20 to 25 million years earlier than previously thought.

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chucks the obligatory $ in the Swear Jar

Ogmog said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Controversial Discovery Says Origins of Human Language Existed 25 Million Years Ago

A structure critical to our brain’s core language pathway, found only in humans and apes, has now also been identified in monkeys, according to a controversial new study – suggesting the origins of language may have appeared 20 to 25 million years earlier than previously thought.

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chucks the obligatory $ in the Swear Jar

there’s a perfectly good virus thread over there which this would have gone well in

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

Nice

Highly controversial is an understatement, any relationship we have with monkeys goes back much further than 25 million years and why aren’t we chatting away with other primates after all this time? Fanciful to put it mildly.

One of the quite long armed monkeys are considered to very close to vocalising. There are old world monkeys and new world monkeys and lets face it animals talks to each other often.

Is it humans that don’t understand their language , rather than they don’t speak?

monkey skipper said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

Nice

Highly controversial is an understatement, any relationship we have with monkeys goes back much further than 25 million years and why aren’t we chatting away with other primates after all this time? Fanciful to put it mildly.

One of the quite long armed monkeys are considered to very close to vocalising. There are old world monkeys and new world monkeys and lets face it animals talks to each other often.

Is it humans that don’t understand their language , rather than they don’t speak?

All social animals have different calls to draw attention to different things, but not only are they not speech, they are not restricted to primates either. Prairie dogs have been studied and they have a vast array of calls that are very good at communicating amongst themselves, they are also recognised by many other animals including humans. And these are rodents, not primates, so as an extension of this thread, perhaps rodents had cozy fireside chats millions of years ago too.

>>Constantine Slobodchikoff and others assert that prairie dogs use a sophisticated system of vocal communication to describe specific predators. According to them, prairie dog calls contain specific information as to what the predator is, how big it is and how fast it is approaching. These have been described as a form of grammar. According to Slobodchikoff, these calls, with their individuality in response to a specific predator, imply that prairie dogs have highly developed cognitive abilities. He also writes that prairie dogs have calls for things that are not predators to them. This is cited as evidence that the animals have a very descriptive language and have calls for any potential threat.<< Wiki

Speech; the expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds.

PermeateFree said:

monkey skipper said:

PermeateFree said:

Highly controversial is an understatement, any relationship we have with monkeys goes back much further than 25 million years and why aren’t we chatting away with other primates after all this time? Fanciful to put it mildly.

One of the quite long armed monkeys are considered to very close to vocalising. There are old world monkeys and new world monkeys and lets face it animals talks to each other often.

Is it humans that don’t understand their language , rather than they don’t speak?

All social animals have different calls to draw attention to different things, but not only are they not speech, they are not restricted to primates either. Prairie dogs have been studied and they have a vast array of calls that are very good at communicating amongst themselves, they are also recognised by many other animals including humans. And these are rodents, not primates, so as an extension of this thread, perhaps rodents had cozy fireside chats millions of years ago too.

>>Constantine Slobodchikoff and others assert that prairie dogs use a sophisticated system of vocal communication to describe specific predators. According to them, prairie dog calls contain specific information as to what the predator is, how big it is and how fast it is approaching. These have been described as a form of grammar. According to Slobodchikoff, these calls, with their individuality in response to a specific predator, imply that prairie dogs have highly developed cognitive abilities. He also writes that prairie dogs have calls for things that are not predators to them. This is cited as evidence that the animals have a very descriptive language and have calls for any potential threat.<< Wiki

Speech; the expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds.

Are you aware of the monkey I mentioned though?

• Speech; the expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds.

You mean, like the way plants talk to each other?

monkey skipper said:

PermeateFree said:

monkey skipper said:

One of the quite long armed monkeys are considered to very close to vocalising. There are old world monkeys and new world monkeys and lets face it animals talks to each other often.

Is it humans that don’t understand their language , rather than they don’t speak?

All social animals have different calls to draw attention to different things, but not only are they not speech, they are not restricted to primates either. Prairie dogs have been studied and they have a vast array of calls that are very good at communicating amongst themselves, they are also recognised by many other animals including humans. And these are rodents, not primates, so as an extension of this thread, perhaps rodents had cozy fireside chats millions of years ago too.

>>Constantine Slobodchikoff and others assert that prairie dogs use a sophisticated system of vocal communication to describe specific predators. According to them, prairie dog calls contain specific information as to what the predator is, how big it is and how fast it is approaching. These have been described as a form of grammar. According to Slobodchikoff, these calls, with their individuality in response to a specific predator, imply that prairie dogs have highly developed cognitive abilities. He also writes that prairie dogs have calls for things that are not predators to them. This is cited as evidence that the animals have a very descriptive language and have calls for any potential threat.<< Wiki

Speech; the expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds.

Are you aware of the monkey I mentioned though?

Brachiators are a type of primate mostly from the family Hylobatidae, which includes gibbons. Brachiators use their arms to move from tree branch to tree branch, through a process called brachiation. Their arms are longer than their legs, and are much more powerful. No mention of speech that I could see. You have details?

furious said:

• Speech; the expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds.

You mean, like the way plants talk to each other?

It is not my definition, but a Scholarly accepted definition.

>Speech; the expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds

fairly much that’s true, though it is a bit of a tricky word-shift and puts everything onto articulate

all articulate sounds are breathing really (ignoring recordings and machine sound emulations), I guess you can chuck in an alphabet and get a nuanced tongue around the different sounds to make words, call that articulate, possibly even put some spaces between words, perhaps some quiet between sentences

consider though, for a moment, some departure from verbal intercourse, as an example, the heavy breathing, groaning and such, what is an articulate sound of them, yet letters strung together to make regular words and sentenced might not do so well, I ask what is being articulated, and would it be more articulate to use regular words

SCIENCE said:

Ogmog said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Controversial Discovery Says Origins of Human Language Existed 25 Million Years Ago

A structure critical to our brain’s core language pathway, found only in humans and apes, has now also been identified in monkeys, according to a controversial new study – suggesting the origins of language may have appeared 20 to 25 million years earlier than previously thought.

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chucks the obligatory $ in the Swear Jar

there’s a perfectly good virus thread over there which this would have gone well in

I beg your pardon
but there’s nothing there
that has ought to do with any virus
other than the viral spread of nonsensical Tweets.

transition said:

>Speech; the expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds

fairly much that’s true, though it is a bit of a tricky word-shift and puts everything onto articulate

all articulate sounds are breathing really (ignoring recordings and machine sound emulations), I guess you can chuck in an alphabet and get a nuanced tongue around the different sounds to make words, call that articulate, possibly even put some spaces between words, perhaps some quiet between sentences

consider though, for a moment, some departure from verbal intercourse, as an example, the heavy breathing, groaning and such, what is an articulate sound of them, yet letters strung together to make regular words and sentenced might not do so well, I ask what is being articulated, and would it be more articulate to use regular words

I understand, I am sighing right now.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Controversial Discovery Says Origins of Human Language Existed 25 Million Years Ago

A structure critical to our brain’s core language pathway, found only in humans and apes, has now also been identified in monkeys, according to a controversial new study – suggesting the origins of language may have appeared 20 to 25 million years earlier than previously thought.

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Yet Another Egotistical Driven Claim of Superiority.
It’s like listening to an Elephant claiming it’s Trunk
proves it’s superiority over all other living things.

IM Sincere O

Language is indeed what keeps us from Being ONE with ALL Things.

kinda’ sad if you allow your(animal)self think about it

*to

It’s when you cease the internal as well as external chatter that
you can sense even the earth you tread under foot speaking