Time to start a new thread :)

first

anyway

Mr Tehan praised the leadership of Western Australia, the Northern Territory and South Australia, where public schools have reopened with a 70 per cent attendance rate.

“This is a failure of leadership from Dan Andrews and you know where the impact is being felt, on the most disadvantaged children,” he said.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison wants all public schools to return to face-to-face learning by June, but Victoria has insisted it would make its own decisions about when to encourage parents to send children back to classrooms.

“The question to Daniel Andrews, sure, take a sledgehammer to defeating coronavirus, but why are you taking a sledgehammer also to the state education system?” Mr Tehan told Insiders.

The Education Minister’s comments came an hour before Victoria announced the closure of a Melbourne school because of a coronavirus outbreak.

Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos said Meadowglen Primary School would be closed for cleaning for three days.

Ms Mikakos insisted state authorities were best placed to decide the future of the schools.

“If we just look to the fact today that we’ve had a staff member in a school test positive.

“I’m sure Dan Tehan would have liked to have had that knowledge, that the Premier has had, that I have had, that our Education Minister has had before making those remarks earlier today.”

Federal Opposition education spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek said she was disappointed with Mr Tehan’s approach.

“It would be good if the Federal Government would work cooperatively with the states, rather than name calling.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-03/coronavirus-education-minister-dan-tehan-wants-schools-reopened/12209734

It’s Danny versus Danny and apparently one dickhead size fits all, remember when they were going to the football before someone tested positive, remember how that turned out, remember that¿

SCIENCE said:

Ms Mikakos insisted state authorities were best placed to decide the future of the schools.

Seems reasonable

100 BODIES FOUND DECOMPOSING IN RENTAL TRUCKS OUTSIDE NEW YORK FUNERAL HOME

BROOKLYN, N.Y. — Editor’s warning: This story contains pictures of body bags that may be disturbing for some readers.

New York is ground zero for the coronavirus pandemic. More than 14,000 people have died in the five boroughs alone, according to the New York Times – nearly five times more than the number of people killed in the 9/11 terror attacks.

The city has even started digging new mass graves on the infamous Hart Island, where unclaimed corpses have been buried for more than a century.

RELATED: Prisoners are digging mass graves in New York City as pandemic deaths mount

But, the overwhelmed system for handling what happens after death turned into a disturbing public scene on Wednesday when 100 decomposing bodies were found in unrefrigerated U-Haul trucks outside a Brooklyn funeral home.

https://www.wtsp.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/funeral-home-100-bodies-truck-trailers-brooklyn-new-york/67-3db14b8c-883a-4988-bc4f-0d3fca6d5563

SCIENCE said:

first

anyway

Mr Tehan praised the leadership of Western Australia, the Northern Territory and South Australia, where public schools have reopened with a 70 per cent attendance rate.

“This is a failure of leadership from Dan Andrews and you know where the impact is being felt, on the most disadvantaged children,” he said.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison wants all public schools to return to face-to-face learning by June, but Victoria has insisted it would make its own decisions about when to encourage parents to send children back to classrooms.

“The question to Daniel Andrews, sure, take a sledgehammer to defeating coronavirus, but why are you taking a sledgehammer also to the state education system?” Mr Tehan told Insiders.

The Education Minister’s comments came an hour before Victoria announced the closure of a Melbourne school because of a coronavirus outbreak.

Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos said Meadowglen Primary School would be closed for cleaning for three days.

Ms Mikakos insisted state authorities were best placed to decide the future of the schools.

“If we just look to the fact today that we’ve had a staff member in a school test positive.

“I’m sure Dan Tehan would have liked to have had that knowledge, that the Premier has had, that I have had, that our Education Minister has had before making those remarks earlier today.”

Federal Opposition education spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek said she was disappointed with Mr Tehan’s approach.

“It would be good if the Federal Government would work cooperatively with the states, rather than name calling.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-03/coronavirus-education-minister-dan-tehan-wants-schools-reopened/12209734

It’s Danny versus Danny and apparently one dickhead size fits all, remember when they were going to the football before someone tested positive, remember how that turned out, remember that¿

Dan Tehan has officially withdrawn his comments.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-03/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-us-uk-death-toll/12209314

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

first

anyway

Mr Tehan praised the leadership of Western Australia, the Northern Territory and South Australia, where public schools have reopened with a 70 per cent attendance rate.

“This is a failure of leadership from Dan Andrews and you know where the impact is being felt, on the most disadvantaged children,” he said.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison wants all public schools to return to face-to-face learning by June, but Victoria has insisted it would make its own decisions about when to encourage parents to send children back to classrooms.

“The question to Daniel Andrews, sure, take a sledgehammer to defeating coronavirus, but why are you taking a sledgehammer also to the state education system?” Mr Tehan told Insiders.

The Education Minister’s comments came an hour before Victoria announced the closure of a Melbourne school because of a coronavirus outbreak.

Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos said Meadowglen Primary School would be closed for cleaning for three days.

Ms Mikakos insisted state authorities were best placed to decide the future of the schools.

“If we just look to the fact today that we’ve had a staff member in a school test positive.

“I’m sure Dan Tehan would have liked to have had that knowledge, that the Premier has had, that I have had, that our Education Minister has had before making those remarks earlier today.”

Federal Opposition education spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek said she was disappointed with Mr Tehan’s approach.

“It would be good if the Federal Government would work cooperatively with the states, rather than name calling.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-03/coronavirus-education-minister-dan-tehan-wants-schools-reopened/12209734

It’s Danny versus Danny and apparently one dickhead size fits all, remember when they were going to the football before someone tested positive, remember how that turned out, remember that¿

Dan Tehan has officially withdrawn his comments.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-03/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-us-uk-death-toll/12209314

BREAKING: Dan Tehan says he withdraws this morning’s statement about Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews

The Federal Education Minister Dan Tehan has admitted he “overstepped the mark” when he attacked the Victorian Premier earlier today.

In an interview with the ABC’s Insiders program, Mr Tehan accused Dan Andrews of a “failure of leadership” over his refusal to reopen the state’s schools, saying the Premier was “jeopardising the national consensus”.

Victoria is sticking with online learning, despite the advice from the nation’s chief medical officers.

Federal Education Minister Dan Tehan has released a statement saying “frustration” made him “overstep the mark in questioning Premier Andrew’s leadership on this matter and I withdraw “.

dv said:

100 BODIES FOUND DECOMPOSING IN RENTAL TRUCKS OUTSIDE NEW YORK FUNERAL HOME

BROOKLYN, N.Y. — Editor’s warning: This story contains pictures of body bags that may be disturbing for some readers.

New York is ground zero for the coronavirus pandemic. More than 14,000 people have died in the five boroughs alone, according to the New York Times – nearly five times more than the number of people killed in the 9/11 terror attacks.

The city has even started digging new mass graves on the infamous Hart Island, where unclaimed corpses have been buried for more than a century.

RELATED: Prisoners are digging mass graves in New York City as pandemic deaths mount

But, the overwhelmed system for handling what happens after death turned into a disturbing public scene on Wednesday when 100 decomposing bodies were found in unrefrigerated U-Haul trucks outside a Brooklyn funeral home.

https://www.wtsp.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/funeral-home-100-bodies-truck-trailers-brooklyn-new-york/67-3db14b8c-883a-4988-bc4f-0d3fca6d5563

What’s the alternative though ¿

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

100 BODIES FOUND DECOMPOSING IN RENTAL TRUCKS OUTSIDE NEW YORK FUNERAL HOME

BROOKLYN, N.Y. — Editor’s warning: This story contains pictures of body bags that may be disturbing for some readers.

New York is ground zero for the coronavirus pandemic. More than 14,000 people have died in the five boroughs alone, according to the New York Times – nearly five times more than the number of people killed in the 9/11 terror attacks.

The city has even started digging new mass graves on the infamous Hart Island, where unclaimed corpses have been buried for more than a century.

RELATED: Prisoners are digging mass graves in New York City as pandemic deaths mount

But, the overwhelmed system for handling what happens after death turned into a disturbing public scene on Wednesday when 100 decomposing bodies were found in unrefrigerated U-Haul trucks outside a Brooklyn funeral home.

https://www.wtsp.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/funeral-home-100-bodies-truck-trailers-brooklyn-new-york/67-3db14b8c-883a-4988-bc4f-0d3fca6d5563

What’s the alternative though ¿

Refrigerated U-Haul trucks ?

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

100 BODIES FOUND DECOMPOSING IN RENTAL TRUCKS OUTSIDE NEW YORK FUNERAL HOME

BROOKLYN, N.Y. — Editor’s warning: This story contains pictures of body bags that may be disturbing for some readers.

New York is ground zero for the coronavirus pandemic. More than 14,000 people have died in the five boroughs alone, according to the New York Times – nearly five times more than the number of people killed in the 9/11 terror attacks.

The city has even started digging new mass graves on the infamous Hart Island, where unclaimed corpses have been buried for more than a century.

RELATED: Prisoners are digging mass graves in New York City as pandemic deaths mount

But, the overwhelmed system for handling what happens after death turned into a disturbing public scene on Wednesday when 100 decomposing bodies were found in unrefrigerated U-Haul trucks outside a Brooklyn funeral home.

https://www.wtsp.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/funeral-home-100-bodies-truck-trailers-brooklyn-new-york/67-3db14b8c-883a-4988-bc4f-0d3fca6d5563

What’s the alternative though ¿

Burying them in a timely manner
Or
Finding suitable refrigerated storage
Or
Having a proper healthcare system.
Or
Having solid pandemic response plans

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

100 BODIES FOUND DECOMPOSING IN RENTAL TRUCKS OUTSIDE NEW YORK FUNERAL HOME

BROOKLYN, N.Y. — Editor’s warning: This story contains pictures of body bags that may be disturbing for some readers.

New York is ground zero for the coronavirus pandemic. More than 14,000 people have died in the five boroughs alone, according to the New York Times – nearly five times more than the number of people killed in the 9/11 terror attacks.

The city has even started digging new mass graves on the infamous Hart Island, where unclaimed corpses have been buried for more than a century.

RELATED: Prisoners are digging mass graves in New York City as pandemic deaths mount

But, the overwhelmed system for handling what happens after death turned into a disturbing public scene on Wednesday when 100 decomposing bodies were found in unrefrigerated U-Haul trucks outside a Brooklyn funeral home.

https://www.wtsp.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/funeral-home-100-bodies-truck-trailers-brooklyn-new-york/67-3db14b8c-883a-4988-bc4f-0d3fca6d5563

What’s the alternative though ¿

Refrigerated U-Haul trucks ?

Dump at sea.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

100 BODIES FOUND DECOMPOSING IN RENTAL TRUCKS OUTSIDE NEW YORK FUNERAL HOME

BROOKLYN, N.Y. — Editor’s warning: This story contains pictures of body bags that may be disturbing for some readers.

New York is ground zero for the coronavirus pandemic. More than 14,000 people have died in the five boroughs alone, according to the New York Times – nearly five times more than the number of people killed in the 9/11 terror attacks.

The city has even started digging new mass graves on the infamous Hart Island, where unclaimed corpses have been buried for more than a century.

RELATED: Prisoners are digging mass graves in New York City as pandemic deaths mount

But, the overwhelmed system for handling what happens after death turned into a disturbing public scene on Wednesday when 100 decomposing bodies were found in unrefrigerated U-Haul trucks outside a Brooklyn funeral home.

https://www.wtsp.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/funeral-home-100-bodies-truck-trailers-brooklyn-new-york/67-3db14b8c-883a-4988-bc4f-0d3fca6d5563

What’s the alternative though ¿

Hire refrigerated trucks.

Worldometer will probably get to 3.5 million some time today.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

100 BODIES FOUND DECOMPOSING IN RENTAL TRUCKS OUTSIDE NEW YORK FUNERAL HOME

BROOKLYN, N.Y. — Editor’s warning: This story contains pictures of body bags that may be disturbing for some readers.

New York is ground zero for the coronavirus pandemic. More than 14,000 people have died in the five boroughs alone, according to the New York Times – nearly five times more than the number of people killed in the 9/11 terror attacks.

The city has even started digging new mass graves on the infamous Hart Island, where unclaimed corpses have been buried for more than a century.

RELATED: Prisoners are digging mass graves in New York City as pandemic deaths mount

But, the overwhelmed system for handling what happens after death turned into a disturbing public scene on Wednesday when 100 decomposing bodies were found in unrefrigerated U-Haul trucks outside a Brooklyn funeral home.

https://www.wtsp.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/funeral-home-100-bodies-truck-trailers-brooklyn-new-york/67-3db14b8c-883a-4988-bc4f-0d3fca6d5563

What’s the alternative though ¿

Hire refrigerated trucks.

sorry right thread

Bubblecar said:

It is a bitter irony of the coronavirus crisis.

While farmers are keeping the nation fed during the lockdown, many are struggling to put food on their own tables.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-03/australian-drought-continues-as-coronavirus-dries-up-donations/12205858

pardon, we thought they said that there wouldn’t be a problem with the food supply, Australia feeds more than Australia they said, we have enough to export they said, wtf is this

SCIENCE said:

It is a bitter irony of the coronavirus crisis.

While farmers are keeping the nation fed during the lockdown, many are struggling to put food on their own tables.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-03/australian-drought-continues-as-coronavirus-dries-up-donations/12205858

pardon, we thought they said that there wouldn’t be a problem with the food supply, Australia feeds more than Australia they said, we have enough to export they said, wtf is this

There isn’t a problem with the food supply.
We are a major food exporting nation.
Many small farms are unproductive and unprofitable.

These three points are not mutually contradictive.

WA Government Released Coronavirus From Biological Weapons Laboratory To Maximise Reelection Prospects

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-02/mark-mcgowan-coronavirus-leadership-impact-on-2021-wa-election/12205178

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

It is a bitter irony of the coronavirus crisis.

While farmers are keeping the nation fed during the lockdown, many are struggling to put food on their own tables.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-03/australian-drought-continues-as-coronavirus-dries-up-donations/12205858

pardon, we thought they said that there wouldn’t be a problem with the food supply, Australia feeds more than Australia they said, we have enough to export they said, wtf is this

There isn’t a problem with the food supply.
We are a major food exporting nation.
Many small farms are unproductive and unprofitable.

These three points are not mutually contradictive.

so should we be Giving Them Donations and buying that Drought Relief Milk

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

It is a bitter irony of the coronavirus crisis.

While farmers are keeping the nation fed during the lockdown, many are struggling to put food on their own tables.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-03/australian-drought-continues-as-coronavirus-dries-up-donations/12205858

pardon, we thought they said that there wouldn’t be a problem with the food supply, Australia feeds more than Australia they said, we have enough to export they said, wtf is this

There isn’t a problem with the food supply.
We are a major food exporting nation.
Many small farms are unproductive and unprofitable.

These three points are not mutually contradictive.

so should we be Giving Them Donations and buying that Drought Relief Milk

Or you know … not.

Shit, my business has taken a hit too. Maybe some of those agribusinessmen will send me some money.

SCIENCE said:

WA Government Released Coronavirus From Biological Weapons Laboratory To Maximise Reelection Prospects

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-02/mark-mcgowan-coronavirus-leadership-impact-on-2021-wa-election/12205178

Fixed term elections in WA. Next election is due in march 2021. There’s at least 17 things that can go wrong between now and then for the incumbent government.

Warren Buffett says ‘nothing can stop America’

—

true, still winning, doing the Saturated Straight Line thing

Tamb said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

What’s the alternative though ¿

Refrigerated U-Haul trucks ?

Dump at sea.

Sounds odd. What sort of an organisation would rather dump trucks wit( bodies than just report the overload to the authoritah. Shed load of missing trucks is gonna kill your inventory and once discovered it’s not like they can’t be tracked back. I call shenanigans.

AwesomeO said:

Tamb said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Refrigerated U-Haul trucks ?

Dump at sea.

Sounds odd. What sort of an organisation would rather dump trucks wit( bodies than just report the overload to the authoritah. Shed load of missing trucks is gonna kill your inventory and once discovered it’s not like they can’t be tracked back. I call shenanigans.

But, the overwhelmed system for handling what happens after death turned into a disturbing public scene on Wednesday when 100 decomposing bodies were found in unrefrigerated U-Haul trucks outside a Brooklyn funeral home.

https://www.wtsp.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/funeral-home-100-bodies-truck-trailers-brooklyn-new-york/67-3db14b8c-883a-4988-bc4f-0d3fca6d5563

So apparently we’re lifting restrictions, and we’re looking at these numbers for the beginning of May.

Welcome to New Singapore!
Welcome to New Hokkaido!

Auschwitz Museum condemns Nazi slogan at ‘Re-open Illinois’ protest

The Auschwitz Museum and Memorial condemned a protester who brought a sign featuring the Nazi slogan “Arbeit macht frei” to a rally against Illinois’s stay-at-home orders.

The museum’s official Twitter account responded to a photograph from the “Re-open Illinois” protest, which showed a woman wearing an American flag face mask while carrying a sign reading “Arbeit macht frei, JB.”

The initials appear to be directed to Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker (D), who is Jewish.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/495800-auschwitz-museum-condemns-nazi-slogan-at-re-open-illinois

>>We, as a first-world, very wealthy country, have probably become a bit too relaxed about hygiene and I think it’s time that we focus on those things have learned from these measures.<<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-03/brendan-murphy-chief-medical-officer-coronavirus-update/12210198

I would have said we are a lot cleaner than even 50 years ago. Look at those photos Bubblecar puts up of old shops and things. And we’ve even got research going on to see if we are too clean and this might be contributing to more widespread allergies. The basic stuff like not coughing or sneezing at people, and washing your hands after toiletting and before eating – none of that is new.

More train change tracks required.

AwesomeO said:

More train change tracks required.

You may wish to review that post.

:)

SCIENCE said:

So apparently we’re lifting restrictions, and we’re looking at these numbers for the beginning of May.

Welcome to New Singapore!
Welcome to New Hokkaido!

We could do with a fewer elderly people I guess.

3.5

party_pants said:

3.5

We’re 47th for number of cases. Close to where we sit population wise at 51st.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

3.5

We’re 47th for number of cases. Close to where we sit population wise at 51st.

That’s just a coincidence. The order of countries with the most cases, or the most deaths does not correlate with population size. There are many smaller countries with large numbers of cases higher up the rankings, and many with large populations well down in the rankings. So much so you could not say that one is a good statistical indicator for the other.

Why do coronavirus sceptics and deniers continue to downplay the disease?

Fear ignorance stupidity.

Says it all.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why do coronavirus sceptics and deniers continue to downplay the disease?

Fear ignorance stupidity.

Says it all.

They know not why they are ignorant of their fear of stupidity, if that is what you mean by, says it all?

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

3.5

We’re 47th for number of cases. Close to where we sit population wise at 51st.

So, not much in that.

party_pants said:

3.5

Sorry I can’t work out what this is a response to

dv said:

party_pants said:

3.5

Sorry I can’t work out what this is a response to

The counter on Wolrdometer just clicked over 3.5 million cases.

party_pants said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

3.5

Sorry I can’t work out what this is a response to

The counter on Wolrdometer just clicked over 3.5 million cases.

I was gonna say three fiddy.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/

Russia having a bad day, up over 10,000 new cases for today. This makes 4 days in a row where they’ve achieved a PB

:(

party_pants said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/

Russia having a bad day, up over 10,000 new cases for today. This makes 4 days in a row where they’ve achieved a PB

:(

It was possible that earlier figures were not accurately tested and recorded.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/

Russia having a bad day, up over 10,000 new cases for today. This makes 4 days in a row where they’ve achieved a PB

:(

It was possible that earlier figures were not accurately tested and recorded.

It is possible of course. But their testing numbers have been pretty high, even when they had few cases. I think it has ust broken out of containment and now gotten away from them.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/

Russia having a bad day, up over 10,000 new cases for today. This makes 4 days in a row where they’ve achieved a PB

:(

It was possible that earlier figures were not accurately tested and recorded.

It is possible of course. But their testing numbers have been pretty high, even when they had few cases. I think it has ust broken out of containment and now gotten away from them.

All possible in pandemic conditions.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

It was possible that earlier figures were not accurately tested and recorded.

It is possible of course. But their testing numbers have been pretty high, even when they had few cases. I think it has ust broken out of containment and now gotten away from them.

All possible in pandemic conditions.

testing saturated at 6000/day previously

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

It is possible of course. But their testing numbers have been pretty high, even when they had few cases. I think it has ust broken out of containment and now gotten away from them.

All possible in pandemic conditions.

testing saturated at 6000/day previously

https://www.mlhd.health.nsw.gov.au/about-us/newsroom/media-releases/covid-19-no-further-cases

https://www.mlhd.health.nsw.gov.au/about-us/newsroom/media-releases/covid-19-data-update-3-may-2020

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why do coronavirus sceptics and deniers continue to downplay the disease?

Fear ignorance stupidity.

Says it all.

They know not why they are ignorant of their fear of stupidity, if that is what you mean by, says it all?

there’s a varied force profile in human cognitive characteristics, and persistence, across any population, samples of

on the subject conspiracies, they exist everywhere, starting with characteristics of human mind, just agreement about the experience of the color red is a conspiracy

so there’s plenty to argue about regard soft reality, some people don’t like soft reality, some even want to eliminate it, get rid of it

but my point is the varied cognitive characteristics result in cognitive holes, so how one person might tend to try to resolve an aspect of soft reality may seem wrong (distorted), the more mundane reality though is conspiracies are everywhere, there are as many as there are humans, at least

transition said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why do coronavirus sceptics and deniers continue to downplay the disease?

Fear ignorance stupidity.

Says it all.

They know not why they are ignorant of their fear of stupidity, if that is what you mean by, says it all?

there’s a varied force profile in human cognitive characteristics, and persistence, across any population, samples of

on the subject conspiracies, they exist everywhere, starting with characteristics of human mind, just agreement about the experience of the color red is a conspiracy

so there’s plenty to argue about regard soft reality, some people don’t like soft reality, some even want to eliminate it, get rid of it

but my point is the varied cognitive characteristics result in cognitive holes, so how one person might tend to try to resolve an aspect of soft reality may seem wrong (distorted), the more mundane reality though is conspiracies are everywhere, there are as many as there are humans, at least

you know, like your mind conspires to keep you alive, well-satisfies the essence of the word-concept

The girl child developed a slight legion on a toe five days ago which didn’t respond to anti-fungal cream, then developed a pustule. Changed to anti-septic cream last night. Going to the doctor ASAP.

‘Covid-19 Toes’ are a thing, apparently:

Rule 303 said:

The girl child developed a slight legion on a toe five days ago which didn’t respond to anti-fungal cream, then developed a pustule. Changed to anti-septic cream last night. Going to the doctor ASAP.

‘Covid-19 Toes’ are a thing, apparently:

https://www.livescience.com/frostbite-toes-covid-19.html

Seems to still be at the anecdotal stage.

This is definitely not helpful…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/pompeo-says-evidence-shows-coronavirus-emerged-from-chinese-lab/12210882

Michael V said:

This is definitely not helpful…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/pompeo-says-evidence-shows-coronavirus-emerged-from-chinese-lab/12210882

Mike Pompeo is pushing false information and it should be seen as just that.

“the wide scientific consensus” is that COVID-19 was not man-made.

Random testing in Afghanistan finds one-third infected.

Coronavirus Australia live news: Random testing in Afghanistan finds one-third infected, Aussies enjoy fewer restrictions

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

This is definitely not helpful…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/pompeo-says-evidence-shows-coronavirus-emerged-from-chinese-lab/12210882

Mike Pompeo is pushing false information and it should be seen as just that.

“the wide scientific consensus” is that COVID-19 was not man-made.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says there is “a significant amount of evidence” that the new coronavirus emerged from a Chinese laboratory,

but also says he agrees with US intelligence agencies who say it is not man-made.

Trump is behind the false information.

One hundred days of the coronavirus crisis

Russia reports a record 10,633 new cases of COVID-19 and 58 more deaths from the virus in the last 24 hours, bringing the country’s total cases to 134,686 and 1,280 deaths. Moscow’s mayor Sergei Sobyanin says the peak has still not been reached, warning residents to remain indoors. (BBC)

Wasn’t Russia saying they had no or very few cases and it was under control.
What was the point of lying who are you trying to prove something to

Cymek said:

Russia reports a record 10,633 new cases of COVID-19 and 58 more deaths from the virus in the last 24 hours, bringing the country’s total cases to 134,686 and 1,280 deaths. Moscow’s mayor Sergei Sobyanin says the peak has still not been reached, warning residents to remain indoors. (BBC)

Wasn’t Russia saying they had no or very few cases and it was under control.
What was the point of lying who are you trying to prove something to

Seeing Russian total death numbers, compared with previous years, would be “interesting”.

Tau.Neutrino said:

One hundred days of the coronavirus crisis

Sings:

Thank-you God
For fixing the C’rone Virus
In ‘Stray-a

With apologies to Tim Minchin

Australia’s high population growth is set to come to a screeching halt. Many temporary visa holders have gone back home after losing their jobs and there is expected to be a dramatic fall in migration over the next few years, with the Government projecting an 85 per cent fall in 2020-21.

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the xénophobes will be happy

SCIENCE said:

Australia’s high population growth is set to come to a screeching halt. Many temporary visa holders have gone back home after losing their jobs and there is expected to be a dramatic fall in migration over the next few years, with the Government projecting an 85 per cent fall in 2020-21.

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the xénophobes will be happy

They could get new t-shirts

Still fuck off, we are just less full

SCIENCE said:

Australia’s high population growth is set to come to a screeching halt. Many temporary visa holders have gone back home after losing their jobs and there is expected to be a dramatic fall in migration over the next few years, with the Government projecting an 85 per cent fall in 2020-21.

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the xénophobes will be happy

And they will love the chance to get fit while they pick fruit. All that beautiful fresh air, and they get to help our farmers

SCIENCE said:

Australia’s high population growth is set to come to a screeching halt. Many temporary visa holders have gone back home after losing their jobs and there is expected to be a dramatic fall in migration over the next few years, with the Government projecting an 85 per cent fall in 2020-21.

—

the xénophobes will be happy

I like the idea because IMO Oz is badly overpopulated.

ruby said:

SCIENCE said:

Australia’s high population growth is set to come to a screeching halt. Many temporary visa holders have gone back home after losing their jobs and there is expected to be a dramatic fall in migration over the next few years, with the Government projecting an 85 per cent fall in 2020-21.

—

the xénophobes will be happy

And they will love the chance to get fit while they pick fruit. All that beautiful fresh air, and they get to help our farmers

I’ve had my turn at picking fruit.

Some growers look after their pickers well. A lot do not.

SCIENCE said:

Australia’s high population growth is set to come to a screeching halt. Many temporary visa holders have gone back home after losing their jobs and there is expected to be a dramatic fall in migration over the next few years, with the Government projecting an 85 per cent fall in 2020-21.

—

the xénophobes will be happy

who is going to pick the fruit if not for backpackers and Pacific Islanders?

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Australia’s high population growth is set to come to a screeching halt. Many temporary visa holders have gone back home after losing their jobs and there is expected to be a dramatic fall in migration over the next few years, with the Government projecting an 85 per cent fall in 2020-21.

—

the xénophobes will be happy

who is going to pick the fruit if not for backpackers and Pacific Islanders?

As i suggest, you might find more Australians inclined to take picking jobs if more growers looked after pickers a bit better.

A little bit (not a lot, a little bit) more paid per bucket, not using the very largest buckets you can get, providing water and shade for lunch breaks, things like that.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Australia’s high population growth is set to come to a screeching halt. Many temporary visa holders have gone back home after losing their jobs and there is expected to be a dramatic fall in migration over the next few years, with the Government projecting an 85 per cent fall in 2020-21.

—

the xénophobes will be happy

who is going to pick the fruit if not for backpackers and Pacific Islanders?

As i suggest, you might find more Australians inclined to take picking jobs if more growers looked after pickers a bit better.

A little bit (not a lot, a little bit) more paid per bucket, not using the very largest buckets you can get, providing water and shade for lunch breaks, things like that.

you’ll be wanting to unionise them next…

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

Russia reports a record 10,633 new cases of COVID-19 and 58 more deaths from the virus in the last 24 hours, bringing the country’s total cases to 134,686 and 1,280 deaths. Moscow’s mayor Sergei Sobyanin says the peak has still not been reached, warning residents to remain indoors. (BBC)

Wasn’t Russia saying they had no or very few cases and it was under control.
What was the point of lying who are you trying to prove something to

Seeing Russian total death numbers, compared with previous years, would be “interesting”.

Probably interesting for most places.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Australia’s high population growth is set to come to a screeching halt. Many temporary visa holders have gone back home after losing their jobs and there is expected to be a dramatic fall in migration over the next few years, with the Government projecting an 85 per cent fall in 2020-21.

—

the xénophobes will be happy

who is going to pick the fruit if not for backpackers and Pacific Islanders?

We’ll have our equivalent of a Schengen zone with NZ and the island nations as a Covid free travel area. So the Pacific Islanders can still come and pick and I suspect a lot will need to come as their economies will be truly fucked.

SCIENCE said:

Australia’s high population growth is set to come to a screeching halt. Many temporary visa holders have gone back home after losing their jobs and there is expected to be a dramatic fall in migration over the next few years, with the Government projecting an 85 per cent fall in 2020-21.

—

the xénophobes will be happy

The treasury department won’t be.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Australia’s high population growth is set to come to a screeching halt. Many temporary visa holders have gone back home after losing their jobs and there is expected to be a dramatic fall in migration over the next few years, with the Government projecting an 85 per cent fall in 2020-21.

—

the xénophobes will be happy

who is going to pick the fruit if not for backpackers and Pacific Islanders?

We’ll have our equivalent of a Schengen zone with NZ and the island nations as a Covid free travel area. So the Pacific Islanders can still come and pick and I suspect a lot will need to come as their economies will be truly fucked.

Most of the islanders come to be bouncers.

One of my friend’s father in law has died days after being declared recovered from Covid.

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

who is going to pick the fruit if not for backpackers and Pacific Islanders?

We’ll have our equivalent of a Schengen zone with NZ and the island nations as a Covid free travel area. So the Pacific Islanders can still come and pick and I suspect a lot will need to come as their economies will be truly fucked.

Most of the islanders come to be bouncers.

Niece’s Maori husband’s first job was a bouncer at a club.

First shift, was told by the manager to watch two Maori lads at the pool table – ‘potential troublemakers’, he said.

‘Definitely not troublemakers’, said niece’s husband.

‘How do you know?’, asked the manager.

‘Well’, said NH, ‘i went right through school from the age of five with that one, and played football with the other one for ten years.’

First job in Australia, that is.

the guy who writes banners and hangs them from the bridge is at it again…

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

who is going to pick the fruit if not for backpackers and Pacific Islanders?

We’ll have our equivalent of a Schengen zone with NZ and the island nations as a Covid free travel area. So the Pacific Islanders can still come and pick and I suspect a lot will need to come as their economies will be truly fucked.

Most of the islanders come to be bouncers.

And shearers and shedhands. Possibly more than bouncers, actually.

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, announced this week that the country has eliminated the novel coronavirus, but warned that residents must stay vigilant. Neighboring Australia has also experienced relatively high success in battling COVID-19. Nick Schifrin reports on how the Pacific nations have kept their losses from the pandemic low compared to other countries.

PBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVFeuoicxR8

buffy said:

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

We’ll have our equivalent of a Schengen zone with NZ and the island nations as a Covid free travel area. So the Pacific Islanders can still come and pick and I suspect a lot will need to come as their economies will be truly fucked.

Most of the islanders come to be bouncers.

And shearers and shedhands. Possibly more than bouncers, actually.

No sheep up here so I only meet the bouncers.

sarahs mum said:

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, announced this week that the country has eliminated the novel coronavirus, but warned that residents must stay vigilant. Neighboring Australia has also experienced relatively high success in battling COVID-19. Nick Schifrin reports on how the Pacific nations have kept their losses from the pandemic low compared to other countries.

PBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVFeuoicxR8

They’ve still got 200 active cases. She must be using a different meaning to the word ‘eliminated’ than the one I’m generally accustomed to.

sarahs mum said:

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, announced this week that the country has eliminated the novel coronavirus, but warned that residents must stay vigilant. Neighboring Australia has also experienced relatively high success in battling COVID-19. Nick Schifrin reports on how the Pacific nations have kept their losses from the pandemic low compared to other countries.

PBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVFeuoicxR8

We should rename it the Wuflu.

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, announced this week that the country has eliminated the novel coronavirus, but warned that residents must stay vigilant. Neighboring Australia has also experienced relatively high success in battling COVID-19. Nick Schifrin reports on how the Pacific nations have kept their losses from the pandemic low compared to other countries.

PBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVFeuoicxR8

We should rename it the Wuflu.

no

sarahs mum said:

One of my friend’s father in law has died days after being declared recovered from Covid.

Bugger. What did he die of?

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, announced this week that the country has eliminated the novel coronavirus, but warned that residents must stay vigilant. Neighboring Australia has also experienced relatively high success in battling COVID-19. Nick Schifrin reports on how the Pacific nations have kept their losses from the pandemic low compared to other countries.

PBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVFeuoicxR8

We should rename it the Wuflu.

A lot of people in the USA were calling it that in January and February.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

One of my friend’s father in law has died days after being declared recovered from Covid.

Bugger. What did he die of?

She didn’t say. Exhaustion is what she said but that is probably not what is on the death cert.

My brother’s mother in law had it we found out the other day.
Mrs Cymek is going for an interview for FIFO work with Pathwest to do testing for Corona this afternoon

Qld premier has just announced prep kids can go back to school next week.

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier has just announced prep kids can go back to school next week.

That’s good.

My niece and nephews went back to school last week. My sister gave them the choice of home schooling or going to school. They all decided they’d rather go to school.

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier has just announced prep kids can go back to school next week.

I’m so happy I could cry. Mini Me is driving me fucking crazy.

Divine Angel said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier has just announced prep kids can go back to school next week.

I’m so happy I could cry. Mini Me is driving me fucking crazy.

She needs a little brother or sister to play with.

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier has just announced prep kids can go back to school next week.

That’s good.

My niece and nephews went back to school last week. My sister gave them the choice of home schooling or going to school. They all decided they’d rather go to school.

mine went back today, I gave them a choice, but they didn’t really care either way.. the school put in a policy where the children who are learning from home will be ‘supervised’ by relief teachers since the return rate was >60% last week.. so we decided that they should probably go and be taught by their actual teacher instead of a relief for the next two weeks..

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier has just announced prep kids can go back to school next week.

I’m so happy I could cry. Mini Me is driving me fucking crazy.

She needs a little brother or sister to play with.

Jesus fucking christ… don’t fall for that trap

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier has just announced prep kids can go back to school next week.

I’m so happy I could cry. Mini Me is driving me fucking crazy.

She needs a little brother or sister to play with.

ROFL

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

I’m so happy I could cry. Mini Me is driving me fucking crazy.

She needs a little brother or sister to play with.

Jesus fucking christ… don’t fall for that trap

I used to think all the cute stories about babies and kids were lies, then I realised Mini Me is an actual demon child.

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

She needs a little brother or sister to play with.

Jesus fucking christ… don’t fall for that trap

I used to think all the cute stories about babies and kids were lies, then I realised Mini Me is an actual demon child.

You wait until they become adults and give you grief

Arts said:

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier has just announced prep kids can go back to school next week.

That’s good.

My niece and nephews went back to school last week. My sister gave them the choice of home schooling or going to school. They all decided they’d rather go to school.

mine went back today, I gave them a choice, but they didn’t really care either way.. the school put in a policy where the children who are learning from home will be ‘supervised’ by relief teachers since the return rate was >60% last week.. so we decided that they should probably go and be taught by their actual teacher instead of a relief for the next two weeks..

Yeah, they said only around 60% for their school too.

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

I’m so happy I could cry. Mini Me is driving me fucking crazy.

She needs a little brother or sister to play with.

Jesus fucking christ… don’t fall for that trap

I still wish I had had another. At this point in my life I would have the chance of a less lonely dotage.

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

She needs a little brother or sister to play with.

Jesus fucking christ… don’t fall for that trap

I still wish I had had another. At this point in my life I would have the chance of a less lonely dotage.

my friend and I (she has one) always joke about the fact that I have more chances of a new liver in my older age ..

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Australia’s high population growth is set to come to a screeching halt. Many temporary visa holders have gone back home after losing their jobs and there is expected to be a dramatic fall in migration over the next few years, with the Government projecting an 85 per cent fall in 2020-21.

—

the xénophobes will be happy

who is going to pick the fruit if not for backpackers and Pacific Islanders?

It’s so much harder to rip off locals with under payment than some immigrant.

Donald Trump says US report on China and origin of coronavirus will be ‘conclusive’

Still pushing the blame game.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Donald Trump says US report on China and origin of coronavirus will be ‘conclusive’

Still pushing the blame game.

The worry would be the UN recognises its, assigns blame and nations sue for damages

Tau.Neutrino said:

Donald Trump says US report on China and origin of coronavirus will be ‘conclusive’

Still pushing the blame game.

In fairness. A person dying at home requires an autopsy investigation to determine the cause of death and to rule out foul play for one death as standard practise in Australia. As you can easily imagine that can be distressing to family members who clearly know there was no foul play on their behalf. In fact I worked with a lady years ago that had a husband go to bed next to her one night after having some quick eze for heart burn and woke up with a deceased husband. She was questioned by police even so as the officers said , unfortunately we have to ask these questions as it was routine and procedure to do so.

On balance it seems more than fair to find out why a lot more people than that lost their lives if reasonably possible.

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Donald Trump says US report on China and origin of coronavirus will be ‘conclusive’

Still pushing the blame game.

The worry would be the UN recognises its, assigns blame and nations sue for damages

The real worry for me is that any proper independent investigation gets tainted with the Organe Trumpet-Bum’s politicisation of the issue, so we’ll never get to properly understand the origin of this virus. It will be an opportunity squandered by grubby politics.

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Donald Trump says US report on China and origin of coronavirus will be ‘conclusive’

Still pushing the blame game.

The worry would be the UN recognises its, assigns blame and nations sue for damages

Should the world demand certain practices that are likely to lead to new virus formation be banned.
Seems multiple species caged together leads to cross species virus transmission and risk it then spreads to humans.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Donald Trump says US report on China and origin of coronavirus will be ‘conclusive’

Still pushing the blame game.

The worry would be the UN recognises its, assigns blame and nations sue for damages

The real worry for me is that any proper independent investigation gets tainted with the Organe Trumpet-Bum’s politicisation of the issue, so we’ll never get to properly understand the origin of this virus. It will be an opportunity squandered by grubby politics.

That as well

monkey skipper said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Donald Trump says US report on China and origin of coronavirus will be ‘conclusive’

Still pushing the blame game.

In fairness. A person dying at home requires an autopsy investigation to determine the cause of death and to rule out foul play for one death as standard practise in Australia. As you can easily imagine that can be distressing to family members who clearly know there was no foul play on their behalf. In fact I worked with a lady years ago that had a husband go to bed next to her one night after having some quick eze for heart burn and woke up with a deceased husband. She was questioned by police even so as the officers said , unfortunately we have to ask these questions as it was routine and procedure to do so.

On balance it seems more than fair to find out why a lot more people than that lost their lives if reasonably possible.

I agree.

It’s readily apparent that the pandemic originated in China.

Leaving ‘blame’ issues aside, it’s important that it be determined (as far as is possible) just how the virus originated, and how it was ‘caught’ in the earliest instances.

The days of slow travel are over. The days of fast, mass travel are here. The transmission of diseases happens like lightning.

If China balks at an investigation, then they’re denying a chance to learn lessons that maybe valuable to the whole world, including China, in the future.

The concept of ‘face’ would be at the root of any objection, and people could again die in big numbers just to spare Chinese officials some embarrassment.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Donald Trump says US report on China and origin of coronavirus will be ‘conclusive’

Still pushing the blame game.

The worry would be the UN recognises its, assigns blame and nations sue for damages

The real worry for me is that any proper independent investigation gets tainted with the Organe Trumpet-Bum’s politicisation of the issue, so we’ll never get to properly understand the origin of this virus. It will be an opportunity squandered by grubby politics.

There’s a bit of ying and yang here because the Chinese have certainly tainted the WHO.

monkey skipper said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Donald Trump says US report on China and origin of coronavirus will be ‘conclusive’

Still pushing the blame game.

In fairness. A person dying at home requires an autopsy investigation to determine the cause of death and to rule out foul play for one death as standard practise in Australia. As you can easily imagine that can be distressing to family members who clearly know there was no foul play on their behalf. In fact I worked with a lady years ago that had a husband go to bed next to her one night after having some quick eze for heart burn and woke up with a deceased husband. She was questioned by police even so as the officers said , unfortunately we have to ask these questions as it was routine and procedure to do so.

On balance it seems more than fair to find out why a lot more people than that lost their lives if reasonably possible.

Mz Tamb did not need an autopsy even though she died at home.
Her doctor said he expected her to die within the week & she did just that.
My son had an autopsy as he died unexpectedly at his home.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Donald Trump says US report on China and origin of coronavirus will be ‘conclusive’

Still pushing the blame game.

Pretty sure I heard Trump say “I need a vaccine”.

What a fantastic idea.

https://www.liftware.com/

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

The worry would be the UN recognises its, assigns blame and nations sue for damages

The real worry for me is that any proper independent investigation gets tainted with the Organe Trumpet-Bum’s politicisation of the issue, so we’ll never get to properly understand the origin of this virus. It will be an opportunity squandered by grubby politics.

There’s a bit of ying and yang here because the Chinese have certainly tainted the WHO.

Yes. Which is why we need an independent investigation into it carried out by scientific experts who are free from influence of any government. Neither China nor the USA should be participants.

sibeen said:

What a fantastic idea.

https://www.liftware.com/

wrong thread

sibeen said:

What a fantastic idea.

https://www.liftware.com/

Reminds me of those camera stabilizers.

on a smaller scale by the looks of it.

sibeen said:

What a fantastic idea.

https://www.liftware.com/

When my hands almost stopped working I got a biro like this

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

The real worry for me is that any proper independent investigation gets tainted with the Organe Trumpet-Bum’s politicisation of the issue, so we’ll never get to properly understand the origin of this virus. It will be an opportunity squandered by grubby politics.

There’s a bit of ying and yang here because the Chinese have certainly tainted the WHO.

Yes. Which is why we need an independent investigation into it carried out by scientific experts who are free from influence of any government. Neither China nor the USA should be participants.

Whoever you get will be influenced by one those two anyway, whether from those countries or not.

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

What a fantastic idea.

https://www.liftware.com/

When my hands almost stopped working I got a biro like this

Sorry, oops, wrong thread.

Tamb said:

monkey skipper said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Donald Trump says US report on China and origin of coronavirus will be ‘conclusive’

Still pushing the blame game.

In fairness. A person dying at home requires an autopsy investigation to determine the cause of death and to rule out foul play for one death as standard practise in Australia. As you can easily imagine that can be distressing to family members who clearly know there was no foul play on their behalf. In fact I worked with a lady years ago that had a husband go to bed next to her one night after having some quick eze for heart burn and woke up with a deceased husband. She was questioned by police even so as the officers said , unfortunately we have to ask these questions as it was routine and procedure to do so.

On balance it seems more than fair to find out why a lot more people than that lost their lives if reasonably possible.

Mz Tamb did not need an autopsy even though she died at home.
Her doctor said he expected her to die within the week & she did just that.
My son had an autopsy as he died unexpectedly at his home.

Yes. You are correct an unexpected home death. That lady’s husband had experienced a massive heart attack overnight.

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

Jesus fucking christ… don’t fall for that trap

I used to think all the cute stories about babies and kids were lies, then I realised Mini Me is an actual demon child.

You wait until they become adults and give you grief

or something else beginning with gr and ending in and children

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

There’s a bit of ying and yang here because the Chinese have certainly tainted the WHO.

Yes. Which is why we need an independent investigation into it carried out by scientific experts who are free from influence of any government. Neither China nor the USA should be participants.

Whoever you get will be influenced by one those two anyway, whether from those countries or not.

lies we were never part of any coalition of the willing, we never found no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, it was all régime changer

monkey skipper said:

Tamb said:

monkey skipper said:

In fairness. A person dying at home requires an autopsy investigation to determine the cause of death and to rule out foul play for one death as standard practise in Australia. As you can easily imagine that can be distressing to family members who clearly know there was no foul play on their behalf. In fact I worked with a lady years ago that had a husband go to bed next to her one night after having some quick eze for heart burn and woke up with a deceased husband. She was questioned by police even so as the officers said , unfortunately we have to ask these questions as it was routine and procedure to do so.

On balance it seems more than fair to find out why a lot more people than that lost their lives if reasonably possible.

Mz Tamb did not need an autopsy even though she died at home.
Her doctor said he expected her to die within the week & she did just that.
My son had an autopsy as he died unexpectedly at his home.

Yes. You are correct an unexpected home death. That lady’s husband had experienced a massive heart attack overnight.

…… and all that gruntin’ and groanin’ and chockin’ and writhin’ of a massive heart attack didn’t wake her up? Or did she just keep sayin’ all night long “Not tonight dear, I’ve got a headache”.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Donald Trump says US report on China and origin of coronavirus will be ‘conclusive’

Still pushing the blame game.

The worry would be the UN recognises its, assigns blame and nations sue for damages

The real worry for me is that any proper independent investigation gets tainted with the Organe Trumpet-Bum’s politicisation of the issue, so we’ll never get to properly understand the origin of this virus. It will be an opportunity squandered by grubby politics.

Yes.

Woodie said:

monkey skipper said:

Tamb said:

Mz Tamb did not need an autopsy even though she died at home.
Her doctor said he expected her to die within the week & she did just that.
My son had an autopsy as he died unexpectedly at his home.

Yes. You are correct an unexpected home death. That lady’s husband had experienced a massive heart attack overnight.

…… and all that gruntin’ and groanin’ and chockin’ and writhin’ of a massive heart attack didn’t wake her up? Or did she just keep sayin’ all night long “Not tonight dear, I’ve got a headache”.

The clue as she said that she missed was that he went to bed saying he had indigestion , he snored oddly that night which she after the fact learned was the death rattle. The first she knew was by the coldness.

monkey skipper said:

Woodie said:

monkey skipper said:

Yes. You are correct an unexpected home death. That lady’s husband had experienced a massive heart attack overnight.

…… and all that gruntin’ and groanin’ and chockin’ and writhin’ of a massive heart attack didn’t wake her up? Or did she just keep sayin’ all night long “Not tonight dear, I’ve got a headache”.

The clue as she said that she missed was that he went to bed saying he had indigestion , he snored oddly that night which she after the fact learned was the death rattle. The first she knew was by the coldness.

maybe systems shutdown, indigestion feeling seems common

15 ¿¡ Crazy…

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A 15th resident has died after contracting coronavirus at the Newmarch House aged care facility in Western Sydney.

Anglicare Sydney said the resident had no immediate family and was “well cared for by the dedicated staff of Newmarch House”.

“His passing highlights how terrible this virus is and how devastating it is for the elderly in our community,” Anglicare said.

Anglicare Sydney did not specify the man’s age.

Newmarch House became the country’s second biggest cluster of coronavirus deaths after a nurse unintentionally caused an outbreak at the facility.

She worked six consecutive shifts with mild coronavirus symptoms before returning a positive result.

Last week Anglicare CEO Grant Millard said the nurse was being provided with counselling.

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might also need a new job, for various reasons

SCIENCE said:

monkey skipper said:

Woodie said:

…… and all that gruntin’ and groanin’ and chockin’ and writhin’ of a massive heart attack didn’t wake her up? Or did she just keep sayin’ all night long “Not tonight dear, I’ve got a headache”.

The clue as she said that she missed was that he went to bed saying he had indigestion , he snored oddly that night which she after the fact learned was the death rattle. The first she knew was by the coldness.

maybe systems shutdown, indigestion feeling seems common

Indeed. He ate some quick eze too to ease the feeling.. He was probably having the warning signs over a longer period not realising it was a cardiac issue not a stomach acid issue.

in other news, economic impacts of COVID-19 overstated, and economists shown to be the alarmists compared to medical advice on severity of disease

nevertheless in many places the economists stuffing their own pockets continue to call the shots

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/most-wa-businesses-confident-of-surviving-pandemic/12210186

SCIENCE said:

in other news, economic impacts of COVID-19 overstated, and economists shown to be the alarmists compared to medical advice on severity of disease

nevertheless in many places the economists stuffing their own pockets continue to call the shots

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/most-wa-businesses-confident-of-surviving-pandemic/12210186

Consumers be a little cashed up when businesses do re-open their doors again will help with the recovery , one would think.

Albert de Bruijn
2 May ·

My sister lives in the Netherlands and showed me this. They are small greenhouses, used as an aid for social distancing while dining out at a restaurant

sarahs mum said:

Albert de Bruijn
2 May ·

My sister lives in the Netherlands and showed me this. They are small greenhouses, used as an aid for social distancing while dining out at a restaurant

Cool.

:)

sarahs mum said:

Albert de Bruijn
2 May ·

My sister lives in the Netherlands and showed me this. They are small greenhouses, used as an aid for social distancing while dining out at a restaurant

I mean surely they would have to wipe down all the surfaces when one lot is done?

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Albert de Bruijn
2 May ·

My sister lives in the Netherlands and showed me this. They are small greenhouses, used as an aid for social distancing while dining out at a restaurant

I mean surely they would have to wipe down all the surfaces when one lot is done?

they’re cheap and burn well…

“Direct observation of repeated infections with endemic coronaviruses

Abstract

Background: While the mechanisms of adaptive immunity to pandemic coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 are still unknown, the immune response to the widespread endemic coronaviruses HKU1, 229E, NL63 and OC43 provide a useful reference for understanding repeat infection risk.

Methods: Here we used data from proactive sampling carried out in New York City from fall 2016 to spring 2018. We combined weekly nasal swab collection with self-reports of respiratory symptoms from 191 participants to investigate the profile of recurring infections with endemic coronaviruses.

Results: During the study, 12 individuals tested positive multiple times for the same coronavirus. We found no significant difference between the probability of testing positive at least once and the probability of a recurrence for the beta-coronaviruses HKU1 and OC43 at 34 weeks after enrollment/first infection. We also found no significant association between repeat infections and symptom severity but strong association between symptom severity and belonging to the same family.

Conclusion: This study provides evidence that re-infections with the same endemic coronavirus are not atypical in a time window shorter than 1 year and that the genetic basis of innate immune response may be a greater determinant of infection severity than immune memory acquired after a previous infection.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20082032v1

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Donald Trump says US report on China and origin of coronavirus will be ‘conclusive’

Still pushing the blame game.

The worry would be the UN recognises its, assigns blame and nations sue for damages

The real worry for me is that any proper independent investigation gets tainted with the Organe Trumpet-Bum’s politicisation of the issue, so we’ll never get to properly understand the origin of this virus. It will be an opportunity squandered by grubby politics.

It’s a pretty standard and quite frequent thing for viruses to mutate. That is how they survive.

PermeateFree said:

Rofl

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/coronavirus-case-recorded-in-canberra-4-days-after-case-free/12212030

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Albert de Bruijn
2 May ·

My sister lives in the Netherlands and showed me this. They are small greenhouses, used as an aid for social distancing while dining out at a restaurant

I mean surely they would have to wipe down all the surfaces when one lot is done?

they’re cheap and burn well…

rebuilding the environmental damage we have all been neglecting lately.. excellent.

Arts said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

I mean surely they would have to wipe down all the surfaces when one lot is done?

they’re cheap and burn well…

rebuilding the environmental damage we have all been neglecting lately.. excellent.

Less pollution than a cremation.

Arts said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

I mean surely they would have to wipe down all the surfaces when one lot is done?

they’re cheap and burn well…

rebuilding the environmental damage we have all been neglecting lately.. excellent.

once we couldn’t see the forest fires because of smog. thanks to lockdown now we can. the planet is healing.

New research suggests mobile phones are ‘trojan horses’ of infectious bacteria and viruses, contributing to community transmission during epidemics and pandemics.

Murdoch University’s Professor Simon McKirdy and Dr Mariana Campos, together with researchers from Bond University, the Dubai Future Council on Community Security and Dubai Police found on average 68% of mobile phones used in healthcare and community settings are contaminated with either bacteria, fungi, or virus pathogens.

“Mobile phones contain un-noticed infectious pathogens that each person can carry and potentially transfer in their community and workplaces,” said Professor McKirdy.

“On average, people touch their mobile phones for three hours per day. This poses a serious health concern that can cause significant strain on healthcare, community safety, and unnecessary economic losses.”

Through 56 studies identifying microbial infection on mobile phones in healthcare and community settings, results showed while many viruses can be destroyed by hand washing, using a mobile phone afterwards can easily re-contaminate the person.

“Unlike hands, mobile devices are not regularly washed, and since they are neglected from a biosecurity perspective, they can help spread viruses like the flu and COVID-19,” said Dr Campos.

“Contaminated mobile phones pose a real biosecurity risk, allowing bacteria and viruses to cross borders especially through modern transport. Other shared public surfaces like door knobs, airport self-check ins and ATM machines are likely to pose a similar risk.

“We already know these viruses can live on surfaces from hours to days to weeks.”

Dr Campos said while the Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provide guidelines on the core practices for hand hygiene, they do not include practices associated with the use of mobile devices and smartphones.
It is surprising that no guidelines have been developed to manage the risk posed by mobile phones to date, particularly in the healthcare setting.”
“We strongly advise all national public health authorities and the Word Health Organisation to actively implement measures for all users to disinfect mobile phones. Otherwise, the global public health campaign of hand washing benefits would be drastically inefficient.

“Our recommendation is that phones should be decontaminated daily and regularly with either 70% isopropyl or by sanitising phones with UV-C devices like ‘PhoneSoap’.

“Decontamination processes should be enforced especially in key servicing industries, like in food-handling businesses, schools, aged-care, cruises, airlines and airports, hospitals, and dentists during an epidemic or pandemic like the one we’re currently suffering with COVID-19.”

However, more research still needs to be undertaken to determine effective and efficient disinfection and sterilisation methods to prevent mobile devices acting as ‘trojan horses’ for microbial infection.

Professor McKirdy and Dr Campos are biosecurity experts from Murdoch’s Harry Butler Institute.

link to the paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920301721

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

ChrispenEvan said:

they’re cheap and burn well…

rebuilding the environmental damage we have all been neglecting lately.. excellent.

once we couldn’t see the forest fires because of smog. thanks to lockdown now we can. the planet is healing.

We Don’t Want to Alarm Anyone, But a Large Amount of Siberia Is on Fire Right Now
https://www.sciencealert.com/so-i-don-t-want-to-alarm-anyone-but-a-huge-amount-of-siberia-is-on-fire?fbclid=IwAR2gWZClAlfip_LFujVDpuW9×6kv54zsJBsfvkiBi0JH0_Uc7ZJQDOM2qrM

Arts said:

New research suggests mobile phones are ‘trojan horses’ of infectious bacteria and viruses, contributing to community transmission during epidemics and pandemics.

Murdoch University’s Professor Simon McKirdy and Dr Mariana Campos, together with researchers from Bond University, the Dubai Future Council on Community Security and Dubai Police found on average 68% of mobile phones used in healthcare and community settings are contaminated with either bacteria, fungi, or virus pathogens.

“Mobile phones contain un-noticed infectious pathogens that each person can carry and potentially transfer in their community and workplaces,” said Professor McKirdy.

“On average, people touch their mobile phones for three hours per day. This poses a serious health concern that can cause significant strain on healthcare, community safety, and unnecessary economic losses.”

Through 56 studies identifying microbial infection on mobile phones in healthcare and community settings, results showed while many viruses can be destroyed by hand washing, using a mobile phone afterwards can easily re-contaminate the person.

“Unlike hands, mobile devices are not regularly washed, and since they are neglected from a biosecurity perspective, they can help spread viruses like the flu and COVID-19,” said Dr Campos.

“Contaminated mobile phones pose a real biosecurity risk, allowing bacteria and viruses to cross borders especially through modern transport. Other shared public surfaces like door knobs, airport self-check ins and ATM machines are likely to pose a similar risk.

“We already know these viruses can live on surfaces from hours to days to weeks.”

Dr Campos said while the Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provide guidelines on the core practices for hand hygiene, they do not include practices associated with the use of mobile devices and smartphones.
It is surprising that no guidelines have been developed to manage the risk posed by mobile phones to date, particularly in the healthcare setting.”
“We strongly advise all national public health authorities and the Word Health Organisation to actively implement measures for all users to disinfect mobile phones. Otherwise, the global public health campaign of hand washing benefits would be drastically inefficient.

“Our recommendation is that phones should be decontaminated daily and regularly with either 70% isopropyl or by sanitising phones with UV-C devices like ‘PhoneSoap’.

“Decontamination processes should be enforced especially in key servicing industries, like in food-handling businesses, schools, aged-care, cruises, airlines and airports, hospitals, and dentists during an epidemic or pandemic like the one we’re currently suffering with COVID-19.”

However, more research still needs to be undertaken to determine effective and efficient disinfection and sterilisation methods to prevent mobile devices acting as ‘trojan horses’ for microbial infection.

Professor McKirdy and Dr Campos are biosecurity experts from Murdoch’s Harry Butler Institute.

link to the paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920301721

?

Are not mobile phones typically only touched by one person?

dv said:

Arts said:

New research suggests mobile phones are ‘trojan horses’ of infectious bacteria and viruses, contributing to community transmission during epidemics and pandemics.

Murdoch University’s Professor Simon McKirdy and Dr Mariana Campos, together with researchers from Bond University, the Dubai Future Council on Community Security and Dubai Police found on average 68% of mobile phones used in healthcare and community settings are contaminated with either bacteria, fungi, or virus pathogens.

“Mobile phones contain un-noticed infectious pathogens that each person can carry and potentially transfer in their community and workplaces,” said Professor McKirdy.

“On average, people touch their mobile phones for three hours per day. This poses a serious health concern that can cause significant strain on healthcare, community safety, and unnecessary economic losses.”

Through 56 studies identifying microbial infection on mobile phones in healthcare and community settings, results showed while many viruses can be destroyed by hand washing, using a mobile phone afterwards can easily re-contaminate the person.

“Unlike hands, mobile devices are not regularly washed, and since they are neglected from a biosecurity perspective, they can help spread viruses like the flu and COVID-19,” said Dr Campos.

“Contaminated mobile phones pose a real biosecurity risk, allowing bacteria and viruses to cross borders especially through modern transport. Other shared public surfaces like door knobs, airport self-check ins and ATM machines are likely to pose a similar risk.

“We already know these viruses can live on surfaces from hours to days to weeks.”

Dr Campos said while the Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provide guidelines on the core practices for hand hygiene, they do not include practices associated with the use of mobile devices and smartphones.
It is surprising that no guidelines have been developed to manage the risk posed by mobile phones to date, particularly in the healthcare setting.”
“We strongly advise all national public health authorities and the Word Health Organisation to actively implement measures for all users to disinfect mobile phones. Otherwise, the global public health campaign of hand washing benefits would be drastically inefficient.

“Our recommendation is that phones should be decontaminated daily and regularly with either 70% isopropyl or by sanitising phones with UV-C devices like ‘PhoneSoap’.

“Decontamination processes should be enforced especially in key servicing industries, like in food-handling businesses, schools, aged-care, cruises, airlines and airports, hospitals, and dentists during an epidemic or pandemic like the one we’re currently suffering with COVID-19.”

However, more research still needs to be undertaken to determine effective and efficient disinfection and sterilisation methods to prevent mobile devices acting as ‘trojan horses’ for microbial infection.

Professor McKirdy and Dr Campos are biosecurity experts from Murdoch’s Harry Butler Institute.

link to the paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920301721

?

Are not mobile phones typically only touched by one person?

good questions… possibly more likely you wash your hands, then touch your phone, then touch other stuff then wash your hands??

dv said:

Arts said:

New research suggests mobile phones are ‘trojan horses’ of infectious bacteria and viruses, contributing to community transmission during epidemics and pandemics.

Murdoch University’s Professor Simon McKirdy and Dr Mariana Campos, together with researchers from Bond University, the Dubai Future Council on Community Security and Dubai Police found on average 68% of mobile phones used in healthcare and community settings are contaminated with either bacteria, fungi, or virus pathogens.

“Mobile phones contain un-noticed infectious pathogens that each person can carry and potentially transfer in their community and workplaces,” said Professor McKirdy.

“On average, people touch their mobile phones for three hours per day. This poses a serious health concern that can cause significant strain on healthcare, community safety, and unnecessary economic losses.”

Through 56 studies identifying microbial infection on mobile phones in healthcare and community settings, results showed while many viruses can be destroyed by hand washing, using a mobile phone afterwards can easily re-contaminate the person.

“Unlike hands, mobile devices are not regularly washed, and since they are neglected from a biosecurity perspective, they can help spread viruses like the flu and COVID-19,” said Dr Campos.

“Contaminated mobile phones pose a real biosecurity risk, allowing bacteria and viruses to cross borders especially through modern transport. Other shared public surfaces like door knobs, airport self-check ins and ATM machines are likely to pose a similar risk.

“We already know these viruses can live on surfaces from hours to days to weeks.”

Dr Campos said while the Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provide guidelines on the core practices for hand hygiene, they do not include practices associated with the use of mobile devices and smartphones.
It is surprising that no guidelines have been developed to manage the risk posed by mobile phones to date, particularly in the healthcare setting.”
“We strongly advise all national public health authorities and the Word Health Organisation to actively implement measures for all users to disinfect mobile phones. Otherwise, the global public health campaign of hand washing benefits would be drastically inefficient.

“Our recommendation is that phones should be decontaminated daily and regularly with either 70% isopropyl or by sanitising phones with UV-C devices like ‘PhoneSoap’.

“Decontamination processes should be enforced especially in key servicing industries, like in food-handling businesses, schools, aged-care, cruises, airlines and airports, hospitals, and dentists during an epidemic or pandemic like the one we’re currently suffering with COVID-19.”

However, more research still needs to be undertaken to determine effective and efficient disinfection and sterilisation methods to prevent mobile devices acting as ‘trojan horses’ for microbial infection.

Professor McKirdy and Dr Campos are biosecurity experts from Murdoch’s Harry Butler Institute.

link to the paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920301721

?

Are not mobile phones typically only touched by one person?

do not the users of mobiles touch more things than just their phone?

probably also this idea that we forget how much we tough our phones and that they can be transmitters of disease.. like that time they told us our keyboards are dirtier than our toilet seats.

Arts said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

rebuilding the environmental damage we have all been neglecting lately.. excellent.

once we couldn’t see the forest fires because of smog. thanks to lockdown now we can. the planet is healing.

We Don’t Want to Alarm Anyone, But a Large Amount of Siberia Is on Fire Right Now
https://www.sciencealert.com/so-i-don-t-want-to-alarm-anyone-but-a-huge-amount-of-siberia-is-on-fire?fbclid=IwAR2gWZClAlfip_LFujVDpuW9×6kv54zsJBsfvkiBi0JH0_Uc7ZJQDOM2qrM

They’re trying another way to get rid of the virus.

dv said:

Arts said:

New research suggests mobile phones are ‘trojan horses’ of infectious bacteria and viruses, contributing to community transmission during epidemics and pandemics.

Murdoch University’s Professor Simon McKirdy and Dr Mariana Campos, together with researchers from Bond University, the Dubai Future Council on Community Security and Dubai Police found on average 68% of mobile phones used in healthcare and community settings are contaminated with either bacteria, fungi, or virus pathogens.

“Mobile phones contain un-noticed infectious pathogens that each person can carry and potentially transfer in their community and workplaces,” said Professor McKirdy.

“On average, people touch their mobile phones for three hours per day. This poses a serious health concern that can cause significant strain on healthcare, community safety, and unnecessary economic losses.”

Through 56 studies identifying microbial infection on mobile phones in healthcare and community settings, results showed while many viruses can be destroyed by hand washing, using a mobile phone afterwards can easily re-contaminate the person.

“Unlike hands, mobile devices are not regularly washed, and since they are neglected from a biosecurity perspective, they can help spread viruses like the flu and COVID-19,” said Dr Campos.

“Contaminated mobile phones pose a real biosecurity risk, allowing bacteria and viruses to cross borders especially through modern transport. Other shared public surfaces like door knobs, airport self-check ins and ATM machines are likely to pose a similar risk.

“We already know these viruses can live on surfaces from hours to days to weeks.”

Dr Campos said while the Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provide guidelines on the core practices for hand hygiene, they do not include practices associated with the use of mobile devices and smartphones.
It is surprising that no guidelines have been developed to manage the risk posed by mobile phones to date, particularly in the healthcare setting.”
“We strongly advise all national public health authorities and the Word Health Organisation to actively implement measures for all users to disinfect mobile phones. Otherwise, the global public health campaign of hand washing benefits would be drastically inefficient.

“Our recommendation is that phones should be decontaminated daily and regularly with either 70% isopropyl or by sanitising phones with UV-C devices like ‘PhoneSoap’.

“Decontamination processes should be enforced especially in key servicing industries, like in food-handling businesses, schools, aged-care, cruises, airlines and airports, hospitals, and dentists during an epidemic or pandemic like the one we’re currently suffering with COVID-19.”

However, more research still needs to be undertaken to determine effective and efficient disinfection and sterilisation methods to prevent mobile devices acting as ‘trojan horses’ for microbial infection.

Professor McKirdy and Dr Campos are biosecurity experts from Murdoch’s Harry Butler Institute.

link to the paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920301721

?

Are not mobile phones typically only touched by one person?

yes, but viruses bacteria etc can still breed from one person.

Arts said:

dv said:

Arts said:

New research suggests mobile phones are ‘trojan horses’ of infectious bacteria and viruses, contributing to community transmission during epidemics and pandemics.

Murdoch University’s Professor Simon McKirdy and Dr Mariana Campos, together with researchers from Bond University, the Dubai Future Council on Community Security and Dubai Police found on average 68% of mobile phones used in healthcare and community settings are contaminated with either bacteria, fungi, or virus pathogens.

“Mobile phones contain un-noticed infectious pathogens that each person can carry and potentially transfer in their community and workplaces,” said Professor McKirdy.

“On average, people touch their mobile phones for three hours per day. This poses a serious health concern that can cause significant strain on healthcare, community safety, and unnecessary economic losses.”

Through 56 studies identifying microbial infection on mobile phones in healthcare and community settings, results showed while many viruses can be destroyed by hand washing, using a mobile phone afterwards can easily re-contaminate the person.

“Unlike hands, mobile devices are not regularly washed, and since they are neglected from a biosecurity perspective, they can help spread viruses like the flu and COVID-19,” said Dr Campos.

“Contaminated mobile phones pose a real biosecurity risk, allowing bacteria and viruses to cross borders especially through modern transport. Other shared public surfaces like door knobs, airport self-check ins and ATM machines are likely to pose a similar risk.

“We already know these viruses can live on surfaces from hours to days to weeks.”

Dr Campos said while the Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provide guidelines on the core practices for hand hygiene, they do not include practices associated with the use of mobile devices and smartphones.
It is surprising that no guidelines have been developed to manage the risk posed by mobile phones to date, particularly in the healthcare setting.”
“We strongly advise all national public health authorities and the Word Health Organisation to actively implement measures for all users to disinfect mobile phones. Otherwise, the global public health campaign of hand washing benefits would be drastically inefficient.

“Our recommendation is that phones should be decontaminated daily and regularly with either 70% isopropyl or by sanitising phones with UV-C devices like ‘PhoneSoap’.

“Decontamination processes should be enforced especially in key servicing industries, like in food-handling businesses, schools, aged-care, cruises, airlines and airports, hospitals, and dentists during an epidemic or pandemic like the one we’re currently suffering with COVID-19.”

However, more research still needs to be undertaken to determine effective and efficient disinfection and sterilisation methods to prevent mobile devices acting as ‘trojan horses’ for microbial infection.

Professor McKirdy and Dr Campos are biosecurity experts from Murdoch’s Harry Butler Institute.

link to the paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920301721

?

Are not mobile phones typically only touched by one person?

good questions… possibly more likely you wash your hands, then touch your phone, then touch other stuff then wash your hands??

People use them whilst on the toilet as well

some people still also put phones to the ears… and talk into them… (monsters)

Michael V said:

“Direct observation of repeated infections with endemic coronaviruses

Abstract

Background: While the mechanisms of adaptive immunity to pandemic coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 are still unknown, the immune response to the widespread endemic coronaviruses HKU1, 229E, NL63 and OC43 provide a useful reference for understanding repeat infection risk.

Methods: Here we used data from proactive sampling carried out in New York City from fall 2016 to spring 2018. We combined weekly nasal swab collection with self-reports of respiratory symptoms from 191 participants to investigate the profile of recurring infections with endemic coronaviruses.

Results: During the study, 12 individuals tested positive multiple times for the same coronavirus. We found no significant difference between the probability of testing positive at least once and the probability of a recurrence for the beta-coronaviruses HKU1 and OC43 at 34 weeks after enrollment/first infection. We also found no significant association between repeat infections and symptom severity but strong association between symptom severity and belonging to the same family.

Conclusion: This study provides evidence that re-infections with the same endemic coronavirus are not atypical in a time window shorter than 1 year and that the genetic basis of innate immune response may be a greater determinant of infection severity than immune memory acquired after a previous infection.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20082032v1

excellent, let’s not go for eradication then, let’s go for flock immunity

The Harry Butler Institute?

check it

https://www.murdoch.edu.au/research/institutes-centres/harry-butler-institute

So, did you lot all get an SMS from the government today asking you to download their app? Mr buffy accidentally deleted the one he got. I’ve just turned my phone on to see if they have sent it out to all mobile numbers. It may take a while for my phone to remember to check if there are any messages sitting in the aether for me.

buffy said:

So, did you lot all get an SMS from the government today asking you to download their app? Mr buffy accidentally deleted the one he got. I’ve just turned my phone on to see if they have sent it out to all mobile numbers. It may take a while for my phone to remember to check if there are any messages sitting in the aether for me.

I got one.

buffy said:

So, did you lot all get an SMS from the government today asking you to download their app? Mr buffy accidentally deleted the one he got. I’ve just turned my phone on to see if they have sent it out to all mobile numbers. It may take a while for my phone to remember to check if there are any messages sitting in the aether for me.

Yep.

buffy said:

So, did you lot all get an SMS from the government today asking you to download their app? Mr buffy accidentally deleted the one he got. I’ve just turned my phone on to see if they have sent it out to all mobile numbers. It may take a while for my phone to remember to check if there are any messages sitting in the aether for me.

Yes earlier today

remember how we assured everyone that the next stage would be to do lots of pseudorandom testing, screen the wider community regardless of symptoms

well it looks like it was the right thing to do, finding those asymptomatic spreader clusters

—

Victoria has confirmed a further 22 cases of coronavirus, including 19 linked to a cluster of cases at the Cedar Meats Australia abattoir in Melbourne’s west.

It brings the state’s total number of coronavirus cases to 1,406 and the number of cases in the abattoir cluster to 34.

Professor Sutton said meatworks factories were “particularly vulnerable” to coronavirus outbreaks and there had been large outbreaks in similar facilities in the US.

But he said most of the 19 individuals who tested positive yesterday were asymptomatic.

Professor Sutton said Australian health authorities were on a path of coronavirus suppression but it would be a “happy accident” if the virus could be eliminated

Cymek said:

buffy said:

So, did you lot all get an SMS from the government today asking you to download their app? Mr buffy accidentally deleted the one he got. I’ve just turned my phone on to see if they have sent it out to all mobile numbers. It may take a while for my phone to remember to check if there are any messages sitting in the aether for me.

Yes earlier today

Dear Comrade

Pleasing you to download coronavirus app to ensure we can be tracking you

And I guess the next question is…if you hadn’t already done it, did it make you do it? Or did you just delete?

Arts said:

“On average, people touch their mobile phones for three hours per day.

I’d say my mobile usage was about 1/60 of average.

Cleans phone.

buffy said:

So, did you lot all get an SMS from the government today asking you to download their app? Mr buffy accidentally deleted the one he got. I’ve just turned my phone on to see if they have sent it out to all mobile numbers. It may take a while for my phone to remember to check if there are any messages sitting in the aether for me.

Check the operating system build. If <android 6,="" the="" covidsafe="" app="" won&#8217;t="" work.="" my="" phone="" is="" about="" 2="" years="" old,="" and="" it&#8217;s="" android="" 5.5.="" mrs="" v&#8217;s="" older="" has="" an="" earlier="" operating="" system.="" <="" p=""> </android>

I forget the specifications for iPhones.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

So, did you lot all get an SMS from the government today asking you to download their app? Mr buffy accidentally deleted the one he got. I’ve just turned my phone on to see if they have sent it out to all mobile numbers. It may take a while for my phone to remember to check if there are any messages sitting in the aether for me.

I got one.

I didn’t get one.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

So, did you lot all get an SMS from the government today asking you to download their app? Mr buffy accidentally deleted the one he got. I’ve just turned my phone on to see if they have sent it out to all mobile numbers. It may take a while for my phone to remember to check if there are any messages sitting in the aether for me.

Check the operating system build. If <android 6,="" the="" covidsafe="" app="" won&#8217;t="" work.="" my="" phone="" is="" about="" 2="" years="" old,="" and="" it&#8217;s="" android="" 5.5.="" mrs="" v&#8217;s="" older="" has="" an="" earlier="" operating="" system.="" <="" p=""> </android>

I forget the specifications for iPhones.

My phone is not a smart phone. It doesn’t do apps. It does phone calls.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

So, did you lot all get an SMS from the government today asking you to download their app? Mr buffy accidentally deleted the one he got. I’ve just turned my phone on to see if they have sent it out to all mobile numbers. It may take a while for my phone to remember to check if there are any messages sitting in the aether for me.

Check the operating system build. If <android 6,="" the="" covidsafe="" app="" won&#8217;t="" work.="" my="" phone="" is="" about="" 2="" years="" old,="" and="" it&#8217;s="" android="" 5.5.="" mrs="" v&#8217;s="" older="" has="" an="" earlier="" operating="" system.="" <="" p=""> </android>

I forget the specifications for iPhones.

My phone is not a smart phone. It doesn’t do apps. It does phone calls.

Hamburgers and garlic focaccia for dinner tonight, washed down with generic sparkling water with a twist of mandarins.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Check the operating system build. If <android 6,="" the="" covidsafe="" app="" won&#8217;t="" work.="" my="" phone="" is="" about="" 2="" years="" old,="" and="" it&#8217;s="" android="" 5.5.="" mrs="" v&#8217;s="" older="" has="" an="" earlier="" operating="" system.="" <="" p=""> </android>

I forget the specifications for iPhones.

My phone is not a smart phone. It doesn’t do apps. It does phone calls.

My reply:

chuck you, farley

Divine Angel said:

Hamburgers and garlic focaccia for dinner tonight, washed down with generic sparkling water with a twist of mandarins.

Things must be getting better. I saw my first crowd today.

I just sincerely hope that the traffic here never gets worse than it is now.

Am still working on the equations for coronavirus aerosol deposition for the RMIT project.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

So, did you lot all get an SMS from the government today asking you to download their app? Mr buffy accidentally deleted the one he got. I’ve just turned my phone on to see if they have sent it out to all mobile numbers. It may take a while for my phone to remember to check if there are any messages sitting in the aether for me.

Check the operating system build. If less than Android 6, the CovidSafe app won’t work. My phone is about 2 years old, and it’s Android 5.5. Mrs V’s phone is older and has an earlier operating system.

I forget the specifications for iPhones.

Wow, sorry. Fixed. Better not use a less than symbol again.

And I just got the message.

mollwollfumble said:

Divine Angel said:

Hamburgers and garlic focaccia for dinner tonight, washed down with generic sparkling water with a twist of mandarins.

Things must be getting better. I saw my first crowd today.

I just sincerely hope that the traffic here never gets worse than it is now.

Am still working on the equations for coronavirus aerosol deposition for the RMIT project.

Related study

Scientists Have Figured Out The Best Materials to Use if You’re Making a Mask at Home

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

So, did you lot all get an SMS from the government today asking you to download their app? Mr buffy accidentally deleted the one he got. I’ve just turned my phone on to see if they have sent it out to all mobile numbers. It may take a while for my phone to remember to check if there are any messages sitting in the aether for me.

Check the operating system build. If less than Android 6, the CovidSafe app won’t work. My phone is about 2 years old, and it’s Android 5.5. Mrs V’s phone is older and has an earlier operating system.

I forget the specifications for iPhones.

Wow, sorry. Fixed. Better not use a less than symbol again.

And I just got the message.

Apple OS 10.0 and greater.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

So, did you lot all get an SMS from the government today asking you to download their app? Mr buffy accidentally deleted the one he got. I’ve just turned my phone on to see if they have sent it out to all mobile numbers. It may take a while for my phone to remember to check if there are any messages sitting in the aether for me.

Check the operating system build. If less than Android 6, the CovidSafe app won’t work. My phone is about 2 years old, and it’s Android 5.5. Mrs V’s phone is older and has an earlier operating system.

I forget the specifications for iPhones.

Wow, sorry. Fixed. Better not use a less than symbol again.

And I just got the message.

use &lt;

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Check the operating system build. If less than Android 6, the CovidSafe app won’t work. My phone is about 2 years old, and it’s Android 5.5. Mrs V’s phone is older and has an earlier operating system.

I forget the specifications for iPhones.

Wow, sorry. Fixed. Better not use a less than symbol again.

And I just got the message.

use &lt;

OK

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Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Wow, sorry. Fixed. Better not use a less than symbol again.

And I just got the message.

use &lt;

OK

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8281751/Former-chief-scientific-adviser-sets-rival-Sage.html

Former UK Chief scientific advisor (under Blair and Brown) and other scientists have decided to form their own rival scientific advisory group to provide information and advice to the British public and the British government. They have got a bit fed up with the regular SAGE committee process being influenced by non-scientist government stooges to filter the scientific input and present the government and cabinet with only what they want to hear…

>>Former UK Chief scientific advisor (under Blair and Brown)

Uh Oh, sounds like he wants a big political shit fight.

Peak Warming Man said:

>>Former UK Chief scientific advisor (under Blair and Brown)

Uh Oh, sounds like he wants a big political shit fight.

The UK government seem to be acting a bit out of step wit the rest of the world. They are claiming to be on the scientific advice they are getting, but the advice is not being published and the membership remains secretive. It seems more an act of exasperation or even desperation, rather than someone coming out of retirement to start a political shitfight. It is… dare I say it…

… unprecedented.

The UK curve is frightening.

sarahs mum said:

The UK curve is frightening.

Oh, they’re completely fucked.

They’ve got months of lockdowns and social distancing ahead of them if they want to get the numbers back down to a level where they can safety start easing restrictions. But the longer the lockdown lasts the greater will be the economic impact. If they lift restrictions too early they will just accelerate the spread of the virus and cause many thousands more deaths. If they try to take some middle path they will likely end up with both.

This is what a failure of governance looks like. They are too busy playing politics and not doing any actual governing.

They’re fucked as Fucked-up old Jock McFucked.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

>>Former UK Chief scientific advisor (under Blair and Brown)

Uh Oh, sounds like he wants a big political shit fight.

The UK government seem to be acting a bit out of step wit the rest of the world. They are claiming to be on the scientific advice they are getting, but the advice is not being published and the membership remains secretive. It seems more an act of exasperation or even desperation, rather than someone coming out of retirement to start a political shitfight. It is… dare I say it…

… unprecedented.

that said, although on the whole we have survived relatively unscathed, arguably the same paid-for-to-give-advice-they-want-to-hear phenomenon is well under way in Australia

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

The UK curve is frightening.

Oh, they’re completely fucked.

They’ve got months of lockdowns and social distancing ahead of them if they want to get the numbers back down to a level where they can safety start easing restrictions. But the longer the lockdown lasts the greater will be the economic impact. If they lift restrictions too early they will just accelerate the spread of the virus and cause many thousands more deaths. If they try to take some middle path they will likely end up with both.

This is what a failure of governance looks like. They are too busy playing politics and not doing any actual governing.

They’re fucked as Fucked-up old Jock McFucked.

i think i read 20% of their businesses won’t survive the lockdown periods. brexit may well prove to be a mistake as well.

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

>>Former UK Chief scientific advisor (under Blair and Brown)

Uh Oh, sounds like he wants a big political shit fight.

The UK government seem to be acting a bit out of step wit the rest of the world. They are claiming to be on the scientific advice they are getting, but the advice is not being published and the membership remains secretive. It seems more an act of exasperation or even desperation, rather than someone coming out of retirement to start a political shitfight. It is… dare I say it…

… unprecedented.

that said, although on the whole we have survived relatively unscathed, arguably the same paid-for-to-give-advice-they-want-to-hear phenomenon is well under way in Australia

I don’t think so. Apart from the vexed question of whether schools should remain open or be closed, everyone seems to be on the same page. There aren’t many doctors or scientists saying “WTF” whenever the government announces some new measures. For the scientific community to be in such doubt that they are starting their own public advisory group is step much farther along the line than we’ve got to in Aus.

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

The UK curve is frightening.

Oh, they’re completely fucked.

They’ve got months of lockdowns and social distancing ahead of them if they want to get the numbers back down to a level where they can safety start easing restrictions. But the longer the lockdown lasts the greater will be the economic impact. If they lift restrictions too early they will just accelerate the spread of the virus and cause many thousands more deaths. If they try to take some middle path they will likely end up with both.

This is what a failure of governance looks like. They are too busy playing politics and not doing any actual governing.

They’re fucked as Fucked-up old Jock McFucked.

i think i read 20% of their businesses won’t survive the lockdown periods. brexit may well prove to be a mistake as well.

Oh, theyre determined to press ahead with that too, with talks looking likely to fail by June and then crashing out of the EU on December 31. Bringing on another recession. But hey, they will already be in a real economic depression of 1930s proportions by then.

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

The UK curve is frightening.

Oh, they’re completely fucked.

They’ve got months of lockdowns and social distancing ahead of them if they want to get the numbers back down to a level where they can safety start easing restrictions. But the longer the lockdown lasts the greater will be the economic impact. If they lift restrictions too early they will just accelerate the spread of the virus and cause many thousands more deaths. If they try to take some middle path they will likely end up with both.

This is what a failure of governance looks like. They are too busy playing politics and not doing any actual governing.

They’re fucked as Fucked-up old Jock McFucked.

i think i read 20% of their businesses won’t survive the lockdown periods. brexit may well prove to be a mistake as well.

Europe: Can we help you?
UK: fuck off. We’re brexitting.

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

Oh, they’re completely fucked.

They’ve got months of lockdowns and social distancing ahead of them if they want to get the numbers back down to a level where they can safety start easing restrictions. But the longer the lockdown lasts the greater will be the economic impact. If they lift restrictions too early they will just accelerate the spread of the virus and cause many thousands more deaths. If they try to take some middle path they will likely end up with both.

This is what a failure of governance looks like. They are too busy playing politics and not doing any actual governing.

They’re fucked as Fucked-up old Jock McFucked.

i think i read 20% of their businesses won’t survive the lockdown periods. brexit may well prove to be a mistake as well.

Oh, theyre determined to press ahead with that too, with talks looking likely to fail by June and then crashing out of the EU on December 31. Bringing on another recession. But hey, they will already be in a real economic depression of 1930s proportions by then.

i would go back to the EU and ask the question for the sake of stability in our region of the world staying together is probably smarter and then vote on that considering the global complication Covid 19 has delivered.

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

i think i read 20% of their businesses won’t survive the lockdown periods. brexit may well prove to be a mistake as well.

Oh, theyre determined to press ahead with that too, with talks looking likely to fail by June and then crashing out of the EU on December 31. Bringing on another recession. But hey, they will already be in a real economic depression of 1930s proportions by then.

i would go back to the EU and ask the question for the sake of stability in our region of the world staying together is probably smarter and then vote on that considering the global complication Covid 19 has delivered.

Civil servants in the UK and the EU are all talking about a 2 year extension to the transition period. Some of the conservative press in the England is also pushing for it. The relevant government minister keeps saying no extension is possible. They want trade talks for a post-Brexit terms of trade deal to be worked out by June, or they’ll shut down talks completely and get on with preparing for a complete withdrawl and no special arrangements. it is madness, but they seem determined to get on with itbecause that’s what they were voted in to do. Which is true, but they seem so oblivious to their own destruction.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

The UK government seem to be acting a bit out of step wit the rest of the world. They are claiming to be on the scientific advice they are getting, but the advice is not being published and the membership remains secretive. It seems more an act of exasperation or even desperation, rather than someone coming out of retirement to start a political shitfight. It is… dare I say it…

… unprecedented.

that said, although on the whole we have survived relatively unscathed, arguably the same paid-for-to-give-advice-they-want-to-hear phenomenon is well under way in Australia

I don’t think so. Apart from the vexed question of whether schools should remain open or be closed, everyone seems to be on the same page. There aren’t many doctors or scientists saying “WTF” whenever the government announces some new measures. For the scientific community to be in such doubt that they are starting their own public advisory group is step much farther along the line than we’ve got to in Aus.

there were some coal exporters setting up shop around these parts

sarahs mum said:

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

Oh, they’re completely fucked.

They’ve got months of lockdowns and social distancing ahead of them if they want to get the numbers back down to a level where they can safety start easing restrictions. But the longer the lockdown lasts the greater will be the economic impact. If they lift restrictions too early they will just accelerate the spread of the virus and cause many thousands more deaths. If they try to take some middle path they will likely end up with both.

This is what a failure of governance looks like. They are too busy playing politics and not doing any actual governing.

They’re fucked as Fucked-up old Jock McFucked.

i think i read 20% of their businesses won’t survive the lockdown periods. brexit may well prove to be a mistake as well.

Europe: Can we help you?
UK: fuck off. We’re brexitting.

well look, it’s quite altruistic of them to remove themselves from the equation and protect the rest of EU from their … genius

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

Oh, theyre determined to press ahead with that too, with talks looking likely to fail by June and then crashing out of the EU on December 31. Bringing on another recession. But hey, they will already be in a real economic depression of 1930s proportions by then.

i would go back to the EU and ask the question for the sake of stability in our region of the world staying together is probably smarter and then vote on that considering the global complication Covid 19 has delivered.

Civil servants in the UK and the EU are all talking about a 2 year extension to the transition period. Some of the conservative press in the England is also pushing for it. The relevant government minister keeps saying no extension is possible. They want trade talks for a post-Brexit terms of trade deal to be worked out by June, or they’ll shut down talks completely and get on with preparing for a complete withdrawl and no special arrangements. it is madness, but they seem determined to get on with itbecause that’s what they were voted in to do. Which is true, but they seem so oblivious to their own destruction.

Everyone is going to have trade problems for quite a while. However reasons for Brixit are a lot more complicated than just trade.

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

that said, although on the whole we have survived relatively unscathed, arguably the same paid-for-to-give-advice-they-want-to-hear phenomenon is well under way in Australia

I don’t think so. Apart from the vexed question of whether schools should remain open or be closed, everyone seems to be on the same page. There aren’t many doctors or scientists saying “WTF” whenever the government announces some new measures. For the scientific community to be in such doubt that they are starting their own public advisory group is step much farther along the line than we’ve got to in Aus.

there were some coal exporters setting up shop around these parts

nah, you’re dreaming if you think there is any comparison between what is happening in Aus and the unfolding clusterfuck in the UK. Things are going to get even worse over there before they get better. Apart from Russia overtaking them later down the line, they are going to be the worst affected country in Europe (geographically) and an example of what to do in a pandemic crisis, if not an outright laughing stock.

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

Oh, theyre determined to press ahead with that too, with talks looking likely to fail by June and then crashing out of the EU on December 31. Bringing on another recession. But hey, they will already be in a real economic depression of 1930s proportions by then.

i would go back to the EU and ask the question for the sake of stability in our region of the world staying together is probably smarter and then vote on that considering the global complication Covid 19 has delivered.

Civil servants in the UK and the EU are all talking about a 2 year extension to the transition period. Some of the conservative press in the England is also pushing for it. The relevant government minister keeps saying no extension is possible. They want trade talks for a post-Brexit terms of trade deal to be worked out by June, or they’ll shut down talks completely and get on with preparing for a complete withdrawl and no special arrangements. it is madness, but they seem determined to get on with itbecause that’s what they were voted in to do. Which is true, but they seem so oblivious to their own destruction.

A perceived backflip is not an issue here as I can see things as surely the correct course for the nations to traverse through a true global crisis will be the way to go.

Just watching this youtube from a few days ago.

Chris Hayes On Trump Refusing To Release Relief Funding For Burials Amid Pandemic | All In | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpz_1Gzx1c

Apparently the only one who can turn on FEMA funding for burials is the President. Approx 30 states have requested the money. So blame Trump for body bags in trucks.

It seems like in the past this has never been a hold up. After hurricanes or tornadoes or other disasters. But Trump doesn’t want to fork out this time? Is it because he doesn’t like some of the states he is President of and so every state can pay for it? What is going on in that little perfect brain?

(When the isolation thing was called Heidi helped me take my rubbish to the tip and get some vittles in. Getting rid of the rubbish before the siege I said. Perhaps someone should tell him about how sanitary piling up dead bodies is…)

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

i would go back to the EU and ask the question for the sake of stability in our region of the world staying together is probably smarter and then vote on that considering the global complication Covid 19 has delivered.

Civil servants in the UK and the EU are all talking about a 2 year extension to the transition period. Some of the conservative press in the England is also pushing for it. The relevant government minister keeps saying no extension is possible. They want trade talks for a post-Brexit terms of trade deal to be worked out by June, or they’ll shut down talks completely and get on with preparing for a complete withdrawl and no special arrangements. it is madness, but they seem determined to get on with itbecause that’s what they were voted in to do. Which is true, but they seem so oblivious to their own destruction.

Everyone is going to have trade problems for quite a while. However reasons for Brixit are a lot more complicated than just trade.

it is mostly cultural.

They are as culturally unequipped to be a member of a co-operative union as they were to govern an empire.

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

i would go back to the EU and ask the question for the sake of stability in our region of the world staying together is probably smarter and then vote on that considering the global complication Covid 19 has delivered.

Civil servants in the UK and the EU are all talking about a 2 year extension to the transition period. Some of the conservative press in the England is also pushing for it. The relevant government minister keeps saying no extension is possible. They want trade talks for a post-Brexit terms of trade deal to be worked out by June, or they’ll shut down talks completely and get on with preparing for a complete withdrawl and no special arrangements. it is madness, but they seem determined to get on with itbecause that’s what they were voted in to do. Which is true, but they seem so oblivious to their own destruction.

A perceived backflip is not an issue here as I can see things as surely the correct course for the nations to traverse through a true global crisis will be the way to go.

This is the thing, They seem hell bent on not backflipping. Even when it it is the most logical and reasonable course of action.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think so. Apart from the vexed question of whether schools should remain open or be closed, everyone seems to be on the same page. There aren’t many doctors or scientists saying “WTF” whenever the government announces some new measures. For the scientific community to be in such doubt that they are starting their own public advisory group is step much farther along the line than we’ve got to in Aus.

there were some coal exporters setting up shop around these parts

nah, you’re dreaming if you think there is any comparison between what is happening in Aus and the unfolding clusterfuck in the UK. Things are going to get even worse over there before they get better. Apart from Russia overtaking them later down the line, they are going to be the worst affected country in Europe (geographically) and an example of what to do in a pandemic crisis, if not an outright laughing stock.

well there’s a comparison, it’s just much worse there we agree

sarahs mum said:

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

Oh, they’re completely fucked.

They’ve got months of lockdowns and social distancing ahead of them if they want to get the numbers back down to a level where they can safety start easing restrictions. But the longer the lockdown lasts the greater will be the economic impact. If they lift restrictions too early they will just accelerate the spread of the virus and cause many thousands more deaths. If they try to take some middle path they will likely end up with both.

This is what a failure of governance looks like. They are too busy playing politics and not doing any actual governing.

They’re fucked as Fucked-up old Jock McFucked.

i think i read 20% of their businesses won’t survive the lockdown periods. brexit may well prove to be a mistake as well.

Europe: Can we help you?
UK: fuck off. We’re brexitting.

I can’t see Europe helping much of anyone for the foreseeable future. The northern states are already balking at supporting the southern.

I think this plague will change things in America, access to social welfare and medical wise. I was thinking Trump will win but not so sure now, when everyone will be making comparisons with America’s performance. Might need the new face promising the big ideas.

nah they need someone with guts to go after suing West Taiwan and getting the Big Payout, we all need someone like

AwesomeO said:

I think this plague will change things in America, access to social welfare and medical wise. I was thinking Trump will win but not so sure now, when everyone will be making comparisons with America’s performance. Might need the new face promising the big ideas.

But On the other hand lots will believe Trump saying that the USA are doing the virus better than other countries. Because there are more millions of people in the USA and the numbers are great or something.

sarahs mum said:

AwesomeO said:

I think this plague will change things in America, access to social welfare and medical wise. I was thinking Trump will win but not so sure now, when everyone will be making comparisons with America’s performance. Might need the new face promising the big ideas.

But On the other hand lots will believe Trump saying that the USA are doing the virus better than other countries. Because there are more millions of people in the USA and the numbers are great or something.

It has been suggested to me previously that the US tend to listen to their own news story and not really focus on the rest of the world in the press. They are obviously doing things with their armed forces around the world with varying levels of approval of their methods. I guess it suggests the average American is less aware of how the rest of the globe is doing. I don’t know they are that insular still though.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/jacinda-ardern-joins-national-cabinet-meeting-as-australia-new-zealand-share-coronavirus-strategy?CMP=soc_567

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, will join Australia’s national cabinet meeting on Tuesday to discuss approaches to managing the coronavirus, including the possible implementation of a trans-Tasman “travel bubble” between the two countries.

The Australian prime minister, Scott Morrison, who has been in regular dialogue with other leaders during the pandemic, invited Ardern to join Tuesday’s discussion with state premiers last week.

—-

I commend.Morrison for extending this invitation

monkey skipper said:

sarahs mum said:

AwesomeO said:

I think this plague will change things in America, access to social welfare and medical wise. I was thinking Trump will win but not so sure now, when everyone will be making comparisons with America’s performance. Might need the new face promising the big ideas.

But On the other hand lots will believe Trump saying that the USA are doing the virus better than other countries. Because there are more millions of people in the USA and the numbers are great or something.

It has been suggested to me previously that the US tend to listen to their own news story and not really focus on the rest of the world in the press. They are obviously doing things with their armed forces around the world with varying levels of approval of their methods. I guess it suggests the average American is less aware of how the rest of the globe is doing. I don’t know they are that insular still though.

USA is West Taiwan ¿¡

Negotiations on opening borders are expected to take some time

Both countries will need to be confident they can trace new cases

While Australia has a virus-tracing app, New Zealand is yet to roll one out

—

if as they claim they have eliminated local transmission then apart from Human Rights Infringement what purpose does such software serve

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/jacinda-ardern-joins-national-cabinet-meeting-as-australia-new-zealand-share-coronavirus-strategy?CMP=soc_567

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, will join Australia’s national cabinet meeting on Tuesday to discuss approaches to managing the coronavirus, including the possible implementation of a trans-Tasman “travel bubble” between the two countries.

The Australian prime minister, Scott Morrison, who has been in regular dialogue with other leaders during the pandemic, invited Ardern to join Tuesday’s discussion with state premiers last week.

—-

I commend.Morrison for extending this invitation

The ABC facebook post on it is full of Ardern haters.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/jacinda-ardern-joins-national-cabinet-meeting-as-australia-new-zealand-share-coronavirus-strategy?CMP=soc_567

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, will join Australia’s national cabinet meeting on Tuesday to discuss approaches to managing the coronavirus, including the possible implementation of a trans-Tasman “travel bubble” between the two countries.

The Australian prime minister, Scott Morrison, who has been in regular dialogue with other leaders during the pandemic, invited Ardern to join Tuesday’s discussion with state premiers last week.

—-

I commend.Morrison for extending this invitation

The ABC facebook post on it is full of Ardern haters.

How could anybody hate on such a patron of goodness and light?

SCIENCE said:

Negotiations on opening borders are expected to take some time

Both countries will need to be confident they can trace new cases

While Australia has a virus-tracing app, New Zealand is yet to roll one out

—

if as they claim they have eliminated local transmission then apart from Human Rights Infringement what purpose does such software serve

Detecting if the claim was wrong?

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/jacinda-ardern-joins-national-cabinet-meeting-as-australia-new-zealand-share-coronavirus-strategy?CMP=soc_567

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, will join Australia’s national cabinet meeting on Tuesday to discuss approaches to managing the coronavirus, including the possible implementation of a trans-Tasman “travel bubble” between the two countries.

The Australian prime minister, Scott Morrison, who has been in regular dialogue with other leaders during the pandemic, invited Ardern to join Tuesday’s discussion with state premiers last week.

—-

I commend.Morrison for extending this invitation

The ABC facebook post on it is full of Ardern haters.

How could anybody hate on such a patron of goodness and light?

She’s left wing. She’s a woman. She’s a NZedder.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/jacinda-ardern-joins-national-cabinet-meeting-as-australia-new-zealand-share-coronavirus-strategy?CMP=soc_567

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, will join Australia’s national cabinet meeting on Tuesday to discuss approaches to managing the coronavirus, including the possible implementation of a trans-Tasman “travel bubble” between the two countries.

The Australian prime minister, Scott Morrison, who has been in regular dialogue with other leaders during the pandemic, invited Ardern to join Tuesday’s discussion with state premiers last week.

—-

I commend.Morrison for extending this invitation

The ABC facebook post on it is full of Ardern haters.

How could anybody hate on such a patron of goodness and light?

Yeah shame on them

Put all their real names on TV

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

The ABC facebook post on it is full of Ardern haters.

How could anybody hate on such a patron of goodness and light?

She’s left wing. She’s a woman. She’s a NZedder.

I wouldn’t call her left wing.

More liberal.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Negotiations on opening borders are expected to take some time

Both countries will need to be confident they can trace new cases

While Australia has a virus-tracing app, New Zealand is yet to roll one out

—

if as they claim they have eliminated local transmission then apart from Human Rights Infringement what purpose does such software serve

Detecting if the claim was wrong?

uh that’s the role of surveillance screening (asymptomatic random / pseudorandom / saturation testing)

Tau.Neutrino said:

we thought they were still blaming West Taiwan, they started it, nobody else has any responsibility to contain it, their problem

From the web. https://theconversation.com/covid-19-tests-how-they-work-and-whats-in-development-134479

“A second type of test measures the antibody responses to virus in blood serum. There are many virus components that our bodies make many different antibodies against. Some antibody is very useful, and kills the virus or stops infection, and some is less useful, binding to common parts of the virus but without helping our defences. The test itself is very simple: coat a test tube with a virus “mash” or ideally purified virus components, then add a tiny amount of a very diluted blood sample from the patient and let any antibodies bind to the test tube. Finally, develop the test to see if any antibodies are present.”

That test is going to give false positives.

For example, antibodies to mouse hepatitis virus (MHV) will also bind to human coronaviruses. And antibodies to one human coronavirus will bind to another. Given that coronaviruses have been found in 15% of people with a common cold, that’s an awful lot of false positives.

mollwollfumble said:

From the web. https://theconversation.com/covid-19-tests-how-they-work-and-whats-in-development-134479

“A second type of test measures the antibody responses to virus in blood serum. There are many virus components that our bodies make many different antibodies against. Some antibody is very useful, and kills the virus or stops infection, and some is less useful, binding to common parts of the virus but without helping our defences. The test itself is very simple: coat a test tube with a virus “mash” or ideally purified virus components, then add a tiny amount of a very diluted blood sample from the patient and let any antibodies bind to the test tube. Finally, develop the test to see if any antibodies are present.”

That test is going to give false positives.

For example, antibodies to mouse hepatitis virus (MHV) will also bind to human coronaviruses. And antibodies to one human coronavirus will bind to another. Given that coronaviruses have been found in 15% of people with a common cold, that’s an awful lot of false positives.

All tests can give false positives.

negative, maybe we want a test that only answers negative

SCIENCE said:

negative, maybe we want a test that only answers negative

COvid – eliminated.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

How could anybody hate on such a patron of goodness and light?

She’s left wing. She’s a woman. She’s a NZedder.

I wouldn’t call her left wing.

More liberal.

In a liberal party sense? or a US liberal sense? I picked left wing because of that stuff she done around health and education and culture and even homelessness.

sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

She’s left wing. She’s a woman. She’s a NZedder.

I wouldn’t call her left wing.

More liberal.

In a liberal party sense? or a US liberal sense? I picked left wing because of that stuff she done around health and education and culture and even homelessness.

Neither.

In what the word actually means sense. :)

There is nothing liberal about the Australian Liberal party, and in the USA it seems to mean socialist, which means communist.

To my mind liberal means supporting an open market economic system whilst still doing stuff about health and education and culture and even homelessness.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I wouldn’t call her left wing.

More liberal.

In a liberal party sense? or a US liberal sense? I picked left wing because of that stuff she done around health and education and culture and even homelessness.

Neither.

In what the word actually means sense. :)

There is nothing liberal about the Australian Liberal party, and in the USA it seems to mean socialist, which means communist.

To my mind liberal means supporting an open market economic system whilst still doing stuff about health and education and culture and even homelessness.

god damn hippies.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I wouldn’t call her left wing.

More liberal.

In a liberal party sense? or a US liberal sense? I picked left wing because of that stuff she done around health and education and culture and even homelessness.

Neither.

In what the word actually means sense. :)

There is nothing liberal about the Australian Liberal party, and in the USA it seems to mean socialist, which means communist.

To my mind liberal means supporting an open market economic system whilst still doing stuff about health and education and culture and even homelessness.

I think the meaning has changed over time. Many years ago when everything was regulated, or heavily skewed to the favour the landed gentry, being a liberal was being in favour of open markets and capitalism, allowing people not of the right class to participate in the economic system if they were clever enough.

party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

In a liberal party sense? or a US liberal sense? I picked left wing because of that stuff she done around health and education and culture and even homelessness.

Neither.

In what the word actually means sense. :)

There is nothing liberal about the Australian Liberal party, and in the USA it seems to mean socialist, which means communist.

To my mind liberal means supporting an open market economic system whilst still doing stuff about health and education and culture and even homelessness.

I think the meaning has changed over time. Many years ago when everything was regulated, or heavily skewed to the favour the landed gentry, being a liberal was being in favour of open markets and capitalism, allowing people not of the right class to participate in the economic system if they were clever enough.

Yeah but that was many many years ago.

My understanding of it comes from UK politics in the late 60’s when even the Conservatives were pretty liberal by current standards.

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Neither.

In what the word actually means sense. :)

There is nothing liberal about the Australian Liberal party, and in the USA it seems to mean socialist, which means communist.

To my mind liberal means supporting an open market economic system whilst still doing stuff about health and education and culture and even homelessness.

I think the meaning has changed over time. Many years ago when everything was regulated, or heavily skewed to the favour the landed gentry, being a liberal was being in favour of open markets and capitalism, allowing people not of the right class to participate in the economic system if they were clever enough.

Yeah but that was many many years ago.

My understanding of it comes from UK politics in the late 60’s when even the Conservatives were pretty liberal by current standards.

As for “neoliberal”, I can’t see how that differs from old style conservatism at all.

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

I think the meaning has changed over time. Many years ago when everything was regulated, or heavily skewed to the favour the landed gentry, being a liberal was being in favour of open markets and capitalism, allowing people not of the right class to participate in the economic system if they were clever enough.

Yeah but that was many many years ago.

My understanding of it comes from UK politics in the late 60’s when even the Conservatives were pretty liberal by current standards.

As for “neoliberal”, I can’t see how that differs from old style conservatism at all.

I’m a bit unsure of the actual definitions used in political science, but my own definition of neoliberal is along the lines of having open markets and free capitalism devoid of any government oversight or regulation. A cross between anarchism and feudalism, rule by democratic government diminished and replaced with rule by oligarchs.

party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yeah but that was many many years ago.

My understanding of it comes from UK politics in the late 60’s when even the Conservatives were pretty liberal by current standards.

As for “neoliberal”, I can’t see how that differs from old style conservatism at all.

I’m a bit unsure of the actual definitions used in political science, but my own definition of neoliberal is along the lines of having open markets and free capitalism devoid of any government oversight or regulation. A cross between anarchism and feudalism, rule by democratic government diminished and replaced with rule by oligarchs.

Same here in both respects.

The Rev Dodgson said:

As for “neoliberal”, I can’t see how that differs from old style conservatism at all.

The racism is less overt

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/china-hid-coronavirus-severity-to-hoard-supplies-says-us-intel/12213868

US officials believe China covered up the extent of the coronavirus outbreak — and how contagious the disease is — to stock up on medical supplies needed to respond to it, intelligence documents show.

Chinese leaders “intentionally concealed the severity” of the pandemic from the world in early January, according to a four-page Department of Homeland Security intelligence report dated May 1. The Department of Homeland Security claims China increased imports and decreased exports of medical supplies

An idea is advanced that “see, they totally hid what was going on — they increased imports of medical supplies, they decreased exports of medical supplies, but we are intelligent so when they started doing that in early January, after reporting unexplained pneumonia cases in late December, we knew it was concealment!”.

Department of Homeland Security analysis states that, while downplaying the severity of the coronavirus, China increased imports and decreased exports of medical supplies. It attempted to cover up doing so by “denying there were export restrictions and obfuscating and delaying provision of its trade data,” the analysis states

Another idea is advanced that “that’s right, they didn’t export, despite the lack of export restrictions, so there was totally nothing to see there… and you know how trade involves more than one party, well, we took their word for it when they delayed provision of trade data”.

The sharper rhetoric coincides with administration critics saying the US Government’s response to the virus was slow and inadequate.

AP claims that many of the Chinese Government’s missteps appear to have been due to bureaucratic hurdles, tight controls on information and officials hesitant to report bad news. There is no public evidence to suggest it was an intentional plot to buy up the world’s medical supplies.

Speaking on television, Mr Pompeo said on Sunday he had no reason to believe that the virus was deliberately spread. But he added: “Remember, China has a history of infecting the world, and they have a history of running substandard laboratories. “These are not the first times that we’ve had a world exposed to viruses as a result of failures in a Chinese lab.

One final idea advanced in this line is that “we’ll bet anything that they find evidence of this virus in a laboratory in Wuhan, we promise you that, we promise you the virus will be in a laboratory somewhere near there, like the smoking gun that a police officer is holding after a school firearm massacre in which the suspect is shot dead by the authorities!”.

so now the us is accusing china of hiding corona virus so they could hoard supplies…

the accusations that they created it in a lab didn’t stick.

Arts said:

so now the us is accusing china of hiding corona virus so they could hoard supplies…

the accusations that they created it in a lab didn’t stick.

“It’s all China’s fault” is easier to say than “Oooops, I fucked up badly”

party_pants said:

Arts said:

so now the us is accusing china of hiding corona virus so they could hoard supplies…

the accusations that they created it in a lab didn’t stick.

“It’s all China’s fault” is easier to say than “Oooops, I fucked up badly”

well, I honestly think that DT doesn’t think he’s ever fucked up ever, at anything…

also is it just our biased perspective as SCIENCE that every day it seems like some new outbreak country has a “leader” that comes out and says things like

“we’re different to Those People and the disease won’t affect us”

“we pray to Some Fairytale and so we’re protected”

“they’re lying about how bad it is elsewhere, but believe us, we know it’s just fine”

“we have special medicines remedies and special woowoo and we can cure it before it even arrives”

—

and is it too much to hope that in the catharsis, SCIENCE becomes a more resonant message around the world, and the above idiocies fall back

(or more likely, it will degrade the worldwide state of education even further and the opposite happens)

¿

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/china-hid-coronavirus-severity-to-hoard-supplies-says-us-intel/12213868

US officials believe China covered up the extent of the coronavirus outbreak — and how contagious the disease is — to stock up on medical supplies needed to respond to it, intelligence documents show.

Chinese leaders “intentionally concealed the severity” of the pandemic from the world in early January, according to a four-page Department of Homeland Security intelligence report dated May 1. The Department of Homeland Security claims China increased imports and decreased exports of medical supplies

An idea is advanced that “see, they totally hid what was going on — they increased imports of medical supplies, they decreased exports of medical supplies, but we are intelligent so when they started doing that in early January, after reporting unexplained pneumonia cases in late December, we knew it was concealment!”.

Department of Homeland Security analysis states that, while downplaying the severity of the coronavirus, China increased imports and decreased exports of medical supplies. It attempted to cover up doing so by “denying there were export restrictions and obfuscating and delaying provision of its trade data,” the analysis states

Another idea is advanced that “that’s right, they didn’t export, despite the lack of export restrictions, so there was totally nothing to see there… and you know how trade involves more than one party, well, we took their word for it when they delayed provision of trade data”.

The sharper rhetoric coincides with administration critics saying the US Government’s response to the virus was slow and inadequate.

AP claims that many of the Chinese Government’s missteps appear to have been due to bureaucratic hurdles, tight controls on information and officials hesitant to report bad news. There is no public evidence to suggest it was an intentional plot to buy up the world’s medical supplies.

Speaking on television, Mr Pompeo said on Sunday he had no reason to believe that the virus was deliberately spread. But he added: “Remember, China has a history of infecting the world, and they have a history of running substandard laboratories. “These are not the first times that we’ve had a world exposed to viruses as a result of failures in a Chinese lab.

One final idea advanced in this line is that “we’ll bet anything that they find evidence of this virus in a laboratory in Wuhan, we promise you that, we promise you the virus will be in a laboratory somewhere near there, like the smoking gun that a police officer is holding after a school firearm massacre in which the suspect is shot dead by the authorities!”.

read that

sounds somewhat the sky is blue, but maybe worth mentioning that there are a lot of people, traveling a lot, all over the planet, and quickly, and viruses are evolving much quicker than humans, and viruses love traveling too

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/china-hid-coronavirus-severity-to-hoard-supplies-says-us-intel/12213868

US officials believe China covered up the extent of the coronavirus outbreak — and how contagious the disease is — to stock up on medical supplies needed to respond to it, intelligence documents show.

Chinese leaders “intentionally concealed the severity” of the pandemic from the world in early January, according to a four-page Department of Homeland Security intelligence report dated May 1. The Department of Homeland Security claims China increased imports and decreased exports of medical supplies

An idea is advanced that “see, they totally hid what was going on — they increased imports of medical supplies, they decreased exports of medical supplies, but we are intelligent so when they started doing that in early January, after reporting unexplained pneumonia cases in late December, we knew it was concealment!”.

Department of Homeland Security analysis states that, while downplaying the severity of the coronavirus, China increased imports and decreased exports of medical supplies. It attempted to cover up doing so by “denying there were export restrictions and obfuscating and delaying provision of its trade data,” the analysis states

Another idea is advanced that “that’s right, they didn’t export, despite the lack of export restrictions, so there was totally nothing to see there… and you know how trade involves more than one party, well, we took their word for it when they delayed provision of trade data”.

The sharper rhetoric coincides with administration critics saying the US Government’s response to the virus was slow and inadequate.

AP claims that many of the Chinese Government’s missteps appear to have been due to bureaucratic hurdles, tight controls on information and officials hesitant to report bad news. There is no public evidence to suggest it was an intentional plot to buy up the world’s medical supplies.

Speaking on television, Mr Pompeo said on Sunday he had no reason to believe that the virus was deliberately spread. But he added: “Remember, China has a history of infecting the world, and they have a history of running substandard laboratories. “These are not the first times that we’ve had a world exposed to viruses as a result of failures in a Chinese lab.

One final idea advanced in this line is that “we’ll bet anything that they find evidence of this virus in a laboratory in Wuhan, we promise you that, we promise you the virus will be in a laboratory somewhere near there, like the smoking gun that a police officer is holding after a school firearm massacre in which the suspect is shot dead by the authorities!”.

read that

sounds somewhat the sky is blue, but maybe worth mentioning that there are a lot of people, traveling a lot, all over the planet, and quickly, and viruses are evolving much quicker than humans, and viruses love traveling too

The USA is shit.They ignored their own intell and now search for something to blame.

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/china-hid-coronavirus-severity-to-hoard-supplies-says-us-intel/12213868

US officials believe China covered up the extent of the coronavirus outbreak — and how contagious the disease is — to stock up on medical supplies needed to respond to it, intelligence documents show.

Chinese leaders “intentionally concealed the severity” of the pandemic from the world in early January, according to a four-page Department of Homeland Security intelligence report dated May 1. The Department of Homeland Security claims China increased imports and decreased exports of medical supplies

An idea is advanced that “see, they totally hid what was going on — they increased imports of medical supplies, they decreased exports of medical supplies, but we are intelligent so when they started doing that in early January, after reporting unexplained pneumonia cases in late December, we knew it was concealment!”.

Department of Homeland Security analysis states that, while downplaying the severity of the coronavirus, China increased imports and decreased exports of medical supplies. It attempted to cover up doing so by “denying there were export restrictions and obfuscating and delaying provision of its trade data,” the analysis states

Another idea is advanced that “that’s right, they didn’t export, despite the lack of export restrictions, so there was totally nothing to see there… and you know how trade involves more than one party, well, we took their word for it when they delayed provision of trade data”.

The sharper rhetoric coincides with administration critics saying the US Government’s response to the virus was slow and inadequate.

AP claims that many of the Chinese Government’s missteps appear to have been due to bureaucratic hurdles, tight controls on information and officials hesitant to report bad news. There is no public evidence to suggest it was an intentional plot to buy up the world’s medical supplies.

Speaking on television, Mr Pompeo said on Sunday he had no reason to believe that the virus was deliberately spread. But he added: “Remember, China has a history of infecting the world, and they have a history of running substandard laboratories. “These are not the first times that we’ve had a world exposed to viruses as a result of failures in a Chinese lab.

One final idea advanced in this line is that “we’ll bet anything that they find evidence of this virus in a laboratory in Wuhan, we promise you that, we promise you the virus will be in a laboratory somewhere near there, like the smoking gun that a police officer is holding after a school firearm massacre in which the suspect is shot dead by the authorities!”.

read that

sounds somewhat the sky is blue, but maybe worth mentioning that there are a lot of people, traveling a lot, all over the planet, and quickly, and viruses are evolving much quicker than humans, and viruses love traveling too

The USA is shit.They ignored their own intell and now search for something to blame.

Thank’s Sarah’s mum. Yes. The Chinese publicly announced the epidemic even before the first death, and have been far more honest than most other countries.

Bad news from Canada. A big jump in the number of new cases yesterday. We’ve previously seen similar jumps in China, France, Brazil and elsewhere, so it’s unlikely to herald a huge change.

France is definitely past peak active cases. It was a little uncertain last time I reported. Peak was on 28 April.

Turkey is looking good, a rapid fall in the number of active cases after the peak on 23 April.

Russia has 11,000 new cases yesterday. Compare that with the USA which had 13,000 new cases yesterday. Bad news. In my previous report I had hoped that Russia was going to have a low peak number of active cases. I spoke too soon. It’s already the second worst country in the world for active cases (the UK number is wrong) and that number is climbing rapidly.

In India, things continue to get worse, both for new cases and deaths. I had hopes that India wouldn’t be too bad, but right now there’s nothing to stop it getting even worse than the USA. Pakistan is still on the way up, too.

mollwollfumble said:

Bad news from Canada. A big jump in the number of new cases yesterday. We’ve previously seen similar jumps in China, France, Brazil and elsewhere, so it’s unlikely to herald a huge change.

France is definitely past peak active cases. It was a little uncertain last time I reported. Peak was on 28 April.

Turkey is looking good, a rapid fall in the number of active cases after the peak on 23 April.

Russia has 11,000 new cases yesterday. Compare that with the USA which had 13,000 new cases yesterday. Bad news. In my previous report I had hoped that Russia was going to have a low peak number of active cases. I spoke too soon. It’s already the second worst country in the world for active cases (the UK number is wrong) and that number is climbing rapidly.

In India, things continue to get worse, both for new cases and deaths. I had hopes that India wouldn’t be too bad, but right now there’s nothing to stop it getting even worse than the USA. Pakistan is still on the way up, too.

Afghanistan has a third of the population infected.

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/china-hid-coronavirus-severity-to-hoard-supplies-says-us-intel/12213868

US officials believe China covered up the extent of the coronavirus outbreak — and how contagious the disease is — to stock up on medical supplies needed to respond to it, intelligence documents show.

Chinese leaders “intentionally concealed the severity” of the pandemic from the world in early January, according to a four-page Department of Homeland Security intelligence report dated May 1. The Department of Homeland Security claims China increased imports and decreased exports of medical supplies

An idea is advanced that “see, they totally hid what was going on — they increased imports of medical supplies, they decreased exports of medical supplies, but we are intelligent so when they started doing that in early January, after reporting unexplained pneumonia cases in late December, we knew it was concealment!”.

Department of Homeland Security analysis states that, while downplaying the severity of the coronavirus, China increased imports and decreased exports of medical supplies. It attempted to cover up doing so by “denying there were export restrictions and obfuscating and delaying provision of its trade data,” the analysis states

Another idea is advanced that “that’s right, they didn’t export, despite the lack of export restrictions, so there was totally nothing to see there… and you know how trade involves more than one party, well, we took their word for it when they delayed provision of trade data”.

The sharper rhetoric coincides with administration critics saying the US Government’s response to the virus was slow and inadequate.

AP claims that many of the Chinese Government’s missteps appear to have been due to bureaucratic hurdles, tight controls on information and officials hesitant to report bad news. There is no public evidence to suggest it was an intentional plot to buy up the world’s medical supplies.

Speaking on television, Mr Pompeo said on Sunday he had no reason to believe that the virus was deliberately spread. But he added: “Remember, China has a history of infecting the world, and they have a history of running substandard laboratories. “These are not the first times that we’ve had a world exposed to viruses as a result of failures in a Chinese lab.

One final idea advanced in this line is that “we’ll bet anything that they find evidence of this virus in a laboratory in Wuhan, we promise you that, we promise you the virus will be in a laboratory somewhere near there, like the smoking gun that a police officer is holding after a school firearm massacre in which the suspect is shot dead by the authorities!”.

read that

sounds somewhat the sky is blue, but maybe worth mentioning that there are a lot of people, traveling a lot, all over the planet, and quickly, and viruses are evolving much quicker than humans, and viruses love traveling too

The USA is shit.They ignored their own intell and now search for something to blame.

They have a history of ignoring their own intel. Pearl Harbour comes to mind.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Bad news from Canada. A big jump in the number of new cases yesterday. We’ve previously seen similar jumps in China, France, Brazil and elsewhere, so it’s unlikely to herald a huge change.

France is definitely past peak active cases. It was a little uncertain last time I reported. Peak was on 28 April.

Turkey is looking good, a rapid fall in the number of active cases after the peak on 23 April.

Russia has 11,000 new cases yesterday. Compare that with the USA which had 13,000 new cases yesterday. Bad news. In my previous report I had hoped that Russia was going to have a low peak number of active cases. I spoke too soon. It’s already the second worst country in the world for active cases (the UK number is wrong) and that number is climbing rapidly.

In India, things continue to get worse, both for new cases and deaths. I had hopes that India wouldn’t be too bad, but right now there’s nothing to stop it getting even worse than the USA. Pakistan is still on the way up, too.

Afghanistan has a third of the population infected.

unfortunately not too surprising all up

Melbourne infection rose today. Foreign workers most likely in an abattoir.

The most effective strategy now is to quarantine major cities ( perhaps Sydney and Melbourne) and open up the rest of the country.

wookiemeister said:

Melbourne infection rose today. Foreign workers most likely in an abattoir.

The most effective strategy now is to quarantine major cities ( perhaps Sydney and Melbourne) and open up the rest of the country.

Brilliant idea, Mr Meister. P’raps you could go and stand at the front gate and stop them all going in and out. Oh…. and don’t forget the back fence. Wouldn’t want them jumpin’ the back fence either.

Woodie said:

wookiemeister said:

Melbourne infection rose today. Foreign workers most likely in an abattoir.

The most effective strategy now is to quarantine major cities ( perhaps Sydney and Melbourne) and open up the rest of the country.

Brilliant idea, Mr Meister. P’raps you could go and stand at the front gate and stop them all going in and out. Oh…. and don’t forget the back fence. Wouldn’t want them jumpin’ the back fence either.

Then we just open up the borders, stop the shut down and accept everything that happens. Melbourne and Sydney are the source of the infection in this country.

wookiemeister said:

Woodie said:

wookiemeister said:

Melbourne infection rose today. Foreign workers most likely in an abattoir.

The most effective strategy now is to quarantine major cities ( perhaps Sydney and Melbourne) and open up the rest of the country.

Brilliant idea, Mr Meister. P’raps you could go and stand at the front gate and stop them all going in and out. Oh…. and don’t forget the back fence. Wouldn’t want them jumpin’ the back fence either.

Then we just open up the borders, stop the shut down and accept everything that happens. Melbourne and Sydney are the source of the infection in this country.

I thought it was people returning from overseas, mainly by cruise ship?

wookiemeister said:

Woodie said:

wookiemeister said:

Melbourne infection rose today. Foreign workers most likely in an abattoir.

The most effective strategy now is to quarantine major cities ( perhaps Sydney and Melbourne) and open up the rest of the country.

Brilliant idea, Mr Meister. P’raps you could go and stand at the front gate and stop them all going in and out. Oh…. and don’t forget the back fence. Wouldn’t want them jumpin’ the back fence either.

Then we just open up the borders, stop the shut down and accept everything that happens. Melbourne and Sydney are the source of the infection in this country.

It’s too early in the morning for this sort of nonsense and crap. Just stop it.

Michael V said:

wookiemeister said:

Woodie said:

Brilliant idea, Mr Meister. P’raps you could go and stand at the front gate and stop them all going in and out. Oh…. and don’t forget the back fence. Wouldn’t want them jumpin’ the back fence either.

Then we just open up the borders, stop the shut down and accept everything that happens. Melbourne and Sydney are the source of the infection in this country.

It’s too early in the morning for this sort of nonsense and crap. Just stop it.

the fella thinks they’re all raving lunatics, clearly à reliable source of information

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

Woodie said:

Brilliant idea, Mr Meister. P’raps you could go and stand at the front gate and stop them all going in and out. Oh…. and don’t forget the back fence. Wouldn’t want them jumpin’ the back fence either.

Then we just open up the borders, stop the shut down and accept everything that happens. Melbourne and Sydney are the source of the infection in this country.

I thought it was people returning from overseas, mainly by cruise ship?

No.

The latest outbreak are abbatoir workers. Most likely foreign. Stop importing the infection

Michael V said:

wookiemeister said:

Woodie said:

Brilliant idea, Mr Meister. P’raps you could go and stand at the front gate and stop them all going in and out. Oh…. and don’t forget the back fence. Wouldn’t want them jumpin’ the back fence either.

Then we just open up the borders, stop the shut down and accept everything that happens. Melbourne and Sydney are the source of the infection in this country.

It’s too early in the morning for this sort of nonsense and crap. Just stop it.

Tell that to the infection.

Italy was encouraging their citizens to hug Chinese people

wookiemeister said:

Michael V said:

wookiemeister said:

Then we just open up the borders, stop the shut down and accept everything that happens. Melbourne and Sydney are the source of the infection in this country.

It’s too early in the morning for this sort of nonsense and crap. Just stop it.

Tell that to the infection.

Italy was encouraging their citizens to hug Chinese people

sigh

In New York the democrats were telling people to go down to Chinatown .

Countries with no hard borders might as well open up and just let the infection burn its way through.

Michael V said:

wookiemeister said:

Michael V said:

It’s too early in the morning for this sort of nonsense and crap. Just stop it.

Tell that to the infection.

Italy was encouraging their citizens to hug Chinese people

sigh

Keep sighing , it’s all true

wookiemeister said:

Michael V said:

wookiemeister said:

Tell that to the infection.

Italy was encouraging their citizens to hug Chinese people

sigh

Keep sighing , it’s all true

I’ll note this down in my Wookie predictions file…

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Michael V said:

sigh

Keep sighing , it’s all true

I’ll note this down in my Wookie predictions file…

It’s not a prediction , it’s already happened.

Australia has a problem with useful idiots like twiggy who work for Chinese intelligence agencies. The useful idiots are most likely funded by them

Damn, I liked the term useful idiot, now it’s rooned.

poikilotherm said:

Damn, I liked the term useful idiot, now it’s rooned.

Have a look of the term useful idiot. Nothing has changed.

wookiemeister said:

Michael V said:

wookiemeister said:

Then we just open up the borders, stop the shut down and accept everything that happens. Melbourne and Sydney are the source of the infection in this country.

It’s too early in the morning for this sort of nonsense and crap. Just stop it.

Tell that to the infection.

Italy was encouraging their citizens to hug Chinese people

That’s for luck.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Michael V said:

It’s too early in the morning for this sort of nonsense and crap. Just stop it.

Tell that to the infection.

Italy was encouraging their citizens to hug Chinese people

That’s for luck.

Imagine if we had deaths in the thousands combined with the “inconvenience” of social distancing and a significantly shut down economy

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-scientists-think-the-novel-coronavirus-developed-naturally-not-in-a-chinese-lab/

Why Scientists Think The Novel Coronavirus Developed Naturally — Not In A Chinese Lab

By Philip Kiefer

Filed under Coronavirus

You could be forgiven for wondering how a disease as fast-moving and deadly as COVID-19 could just appear naturally, out of nowhere, seemingly overnight. President Trump expressed doubt, saying that “a lot of people” were looking at the possibility that a Chinese lab was responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic. Earlier that week, Fox News ran a story in which unnamed sources suggested that the COVID-19 outbreak originated in a Wuhan laboratory — the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which studies coronaviruses with a number of international collaborators. The New York Times reported that spy agencies are being pressured to find evidence blaming the lab, and at the end of April, the National Institutes of Health withdrew funding from a research consortium that had collaborated with the lab. As recently as this weekend, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, despite saying there was no reason to disbelievethe intelligence community’s assessment that the virus was neither manmade nor genetically modified, claimed there was “enormous evidence” connecting the virus to the WIV.

But the truth is almost certainly not that salacious. Robert Garry, a professor of microbiology and immunology at the Tulane University School of Medicine, said this dynamic is familiar. “Every time there’s an outbreak, people say, oh, there’s a lab close by.” He should know: In 2014, during the Ebola epidemic in West Africa, conspiracy theorists alleged his team’s lab in Sierra Leone, not far from the origin of the outbreak, was a George Soros-funded bioweapons site.

According to a growing body of research, SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) is almost certainly a naturally occurring virus that initially circulated in bats then spilled into humans. But that hasn’t stopped some from trying to find a more sinister origin. “It seems like such an extreme event that people are looking for an extraordinary explanation for it,” said Stephen Goldstein, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Utah who studies coronaviruses. No single piece of evidence has yet confirmed the virus’ origin. But according to scientists, the evidence that does exist paints a consistent picture of a wild virus, not one that sprang from a lab.

Why do scientists think it wasn’t genetically engineered?

To genetically engineer a new virus, scientists can combine pieces of viruses they’ve seen before. In the case of a genetically engineered coronavirus that was designed to infect humans, the bulk of its genetic material — its “backbone” — would come from SARS or a close relative, while the tools it used to infect cells would be grafted on. But the backbone doesn’t look like any disease-causing virus, and other key parts of the virus are new to science.

(More in link)

The good folks at worldometer have added a 3 day smoother curve to some of their charts.

Which is nice and all but honestly most of these countries have a 7 day reporting cycle with lulls Sat-Sun-Mon, so if anything a 7-day smoother is going to be more helpful.

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/MSP-Security-guard-shot—killed-at-Flint-Family-Dollar-store-570140661.html

MSP: Security guard shot & killed at Flint Family Dollar store

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/australias-covidsafe-contact-tracing-story-is-full-of-holes-and-we-should-worry/

so à bit like the blabber about wearing masks then ¿

dv said:

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/MSP-Security-guard-shot—killed-at-Flint-Family-Dollar-store-570140661.html

MSP: Security guard shot & killed at Flint Family Dollar store

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/3-charged-with-murder-of-Family-Dollar-security-guard-over-face-mask-dispute-570178991.html

dv said:

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/us-coronavirus-death-toll-predicted-to-overtake-trump-estimate/12214448

Yeah, that’s a pretty shitty article. The same mob that is ‘predicting’ the 135k deaths is the same mob who predicted 60k deaths by the end of August. The range on their predictions go from around 98k up to 240k. You really should mention that in the article.

which is kind of alarming really because it makes me worry that the 135k is also an optimistic estimate

well let’s see how the comparison goes…

sibeen said:

dv said:

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/MSP-Security-guard-shot—killed-at-Flint-Family-Dollar-store-570140661.html

MSP: Security guard shot & killed at Flint Family Dollar store

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/3-charged-with-murder-of-Family-Dollar-security-guard-over-face-mask-dispute-570178991.html

we blame China, this is not a gun problem, this is a virus problem

sorry Northeast Tibet

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/MSP-Security-guard-shot—killed-at-Flint-Family-Dollar-store-570140661.html

MSP: Security guard shot & killed at Flint Family Dollar store

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/3-charged-with-murder-of-Family-Dollar-security-guard-over-face-mask-dispute-570178991.html

we blame China, this is not a gun problem, this is a virus problem

Oh yeah well who invented gunpowder??!

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/3-charged-with-murder-of-Family-Dollar-security-guard-over-face-mask-dispute-570178991.html

we blame China, this is not a gun problem, this is a virus problem

Oh yeah well who invented gunpowder??!

The search for the Élixir Of Life…

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/3-charged-with-murder-of-Family-Dollar-security-guard-over-face-mask-dispute-570178991.html

we blame China, this is not a gun problem, this is a virus problem

Oh yeah well who invented gunpowder??!

fk we knew it
sue them sue them
¡!¡

I’m going to go right out there and say it does appear that there has been a decline in the death rate in the USA, and hopefully it’s not just due to coverups. To avoid the cyclical reporting issue just take a look at 7 day totals. It’s past the stage where you need to squint and stand on one leg to see a decline.

Not exactly galloping down.

10/3 – 16/3: 69
17/3 – 23/3: 594
24/3 – 30/3: 3377
31/3 – 6/4: 9232
7/4 – 13/4: 14217
14/4 – 20/4: 15338
21/4 – 27/4: 13942
18/4 – 4/5: 13126

dv said:

I’m going to go right out there and say it does appear that there has been a decline in the death rate in the USA, and hopefully it’s not just due to coverups. To avoid the cyclical reporting issue just take a look at 7 day totals. It’s past the stage where you need to squint and stand on one leg to see a decline.

Not exactly galloping down.

10/3 – 16/3: 69
17/3 – 23/3: 594
24/3 – 30/3: 3377
31/3 – 6/4: 9232
7/4 – 13/4: 14217
14/4 – 20/4: 15338
21/4 – 27/4: 13942
18/4 – 4/5: 13126

Fix up your last date range.

sibeen said:

dv said:

I’m going to go right out there and say it does appear that there has been a decline in the death rate in the USA, and hopefully it’s not just due to coverups. To avoid the cyclical reporting issue just take a look at 7 day totals. It’s past the stage where you need to squint and stand on one leg to see a decline.

Not exactly galloping down.

10/3 – 16/3: 69
17/3 – 23/3: 594
24/3 – 30/3: 3377
31/3 – 6/4: 9232
7/4 – 13/4: 14217
14/4 – 20/4: 15338
21/4 – 27/4: 13942
28/4 – 4/5: 13126

Fix up your last date range.

Okay

dv said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

I’m going to go right out there and say it does appear that there has been a decline in the death rate in the USA, and hopefully it’s not just due to coverups. To avoid the cyclical reporting issue just take a look at 7 day totals. It’s past the stage where you need to squint and stand on one leg to see a decline.

Not exactly galloping down.

10/3 – 16/3: 69
17/3 – 23/3: 594
24/3 – 30/3: 3377
31/3 – 6/4: 9232
7/4 – 13/4: 14217
14/4 – 20/4: 15338
21/4 – 27/4: 13942
28/4 – 4/5: 13126

Fix up your last date range.

Okay

:)

“Genetic Study Shows COVID-19 Was in France Weeks Before The First Case Was Reported

In France, a cluster of cases was discovered in late January.

But a new study published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents has suggested the virus was already in the country a month earlier.

A retrospective analysis of samples taken from 14 intensive care patients with influenza-like symptoms at the Avicenne and Jean-Verdier hospitals in Paris found one positive COVID-19 case – a 42-year-old French resident who had not visited China. He was hospitalised on December 27.

Olivier Bouchaud, head of the infectious diseases department at Avicenne said at first the virus spreads “quietly in the population, without anyone detecting its presence”.”

https://www.sciencealert.com/genetic-investigation-reveals-covid-19-was-circulating-in-europe-before-cases-were-reported

Michael V said:

A retrospective analysis of samples taken from 14 intensive care patients with influenza-like symptoms at the Avicenne and Jean-Verdier hospitals in Paris found one positive COVID-19 case – a 42-year-old French resident who _*had not visited China.

musta been the CIA spreading it around the world then.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

A retrospective analysis of samples taken from 14 intensive care patients with influenza-like symptoms at the Avicenne and Jean-Verdier hospitals in Paris found one positive COVID-19 case – a 42-year-old French resident who _*had not visited China.

musta been the CIA spreading it around the world then.

Sure, sure, yes, Wookie…

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

A retrospective analysis of samples taken from 14 intensive care patients with influenza-like symptoms at the Avicenne and Jean-Verdier hospitals in Paris found one positive COVID-19 case – a 42-year-old French resident who _*had not visited China.

musta been the CIA spreading it around the world then.

I keep telling you. It’s contrails.

Michael V said:

“Genetic Study Shows COVID-19 Was in France Weeks Before The First Case Was Reported

In France, a cluster of cases was discovered in late January.

But a new study published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents has suggested the virus was already in the country a month earlier.

A retrospective analysis of samples taken from 14 intensive care patients with influenza-like symptoms at the Avicenne and Jean-Verdier hospitals in Paris found one positive COVID-19 case – a 42-year-old French resident who had not visited China. He was hospitalised on December 27.

Olivier Bouchaud, head of the infectious diseases department at Avicenne said at first the virus spreads “quietly in the population, without anyone detecting its presence”.”

https://www.sciencealert.com/genetic-investigation-reveals-covid-19-was-circulating-in-europe-before-cases-were-reported

wait we thought we were meant to get on the blame West Taiwan bandwagon, you’re not meant to say these things, it might make it look like they’re not fully responsible for everyone else’s disasters

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“Genetic Study Shows COVID-19 Was in France Weeks Before The First Case Was Reported

In France, a cluster of cases was discovered in late January.

But a new study published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents has suggested the virus was already in the country a month earlier.

A retrospective analysis of samples taken from 14 intensive care patients with influenza-like symptoms at the Avicenne and Jean-Verdier hospitals in Paris found one positive COVID-19 case – a 42-year-old French resident who had not visited China. He was hospitalised on December 27.

Olivier Bouchaud, head of the infectious diseases department at Avicenne said at first the virus spreads “quietly in the population, without anyone detecting its presence”.”

https://www.sciencealert.com/genetic-investigation-reveals-covid-19-was-circulating-in-europe-before-cases-were-reported

wait we thought we were meant to get on the blame West Taiwan bandwagon, you’re not meant to say these things, it might make it look like they’re not fully responsible for everyone else’s disasters

Ooh, look! A peer reviewed paper. Not a medRxiv one this time.

:)

Intelligence community: Trump full of shit
—-
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/04/politics/coronavirus-intelligence/index.html

Intel shared among US allies indicates virus outbreak more likely came from market, not a Chinese lab

Washington (CNN)Intelligence shared among Five Eyes nations indicates it is “highly unlikely” that the coronavirus outbreak was spread as a result of an accident in a laboratory but rather originated in a Chinese market, according to two Western officials who cited an intelligence assessment that appears to contradict claims by President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

“We think it’s highly unlikely it was an accident,” a Western diplomatic official with knowledge of the intelligence said. “It is highly likely it was naturally occurring and that the human infection was from natural human and animal interaction.” The countries in the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing coalition are coalescing around this assessment, the official said, and a second official, from a Five Eyes country, concurred with it. The US has yet to make a formal assessment public.

dv said:

Intelligence community: Trump full of shit
—-
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/04/politics/coronavirus-intelligence/index.html

Intel shared among US allies indicates virus outbreak more likely came from market, not a Chinese lab

Washington (CNN)Intelligence shared among Five Eyes nations indicates it is “highly unlikely” that the coronavirus outbreak was spread as a result of an accident in a laboratory but rather originated in a Chinese market, according to two Western officials who cited an intelligence assessment that appears to contradict claims by President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

“We think it’s highly unlikely it was an accident,” a Western diplomatic official with knowledge of the intelligence said. “It is highly likely it was naturally occurring and that the human infection was from natural human and animal interaction.” The countries in the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing coalition are coalescing around this assessment, the official said, and a second official, from a Five Eyes country, concurred with it. The US has yet to make a formal assessment public.

Five Eyes nations?

Ahhhh….. The eyes have it.

Woodie said:

dv said:

Intelligence community: Trump full of shit
—-
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/04/politics/coronavirus-intelligence/index.html

Intel shared among US allies indicates virus outbreak more likely came from market, not a Chinese lab

Washington (CNN)Intelligence shared among Five Eyes nations indicates it is “highly unlikely” that the coronavirus outbreak was spread as a result of an accident in a laboratory but rather originated in a Chinese market, according to two Western officials who cited an intelligence assessment that appears to contradict claims by President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

“We think it’s highly unlikely it was an accident,” a Western diplomatic official with knowledge of the intelligence said. “It is highly likely it was naturally occurring and that the human infection was from natural human and animal interaction.” The countries in the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing coalition are coalescing around this assessment, the official said, and a second official, from a Five Eyes country, concurred with it. The US has yet to make a formal assessment public.

Five Eyes nations?

Ahhhh….. The eyes have it.

USA, UK, Canada, Aus and New Zealand. Basically the white English speaking nations, not allowing for the Quebeckers of course.

dv said:

Intelligence community: Trump full of shit
—-
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/04/politics/coronavirus-intelligence/index.html

Intel shared among US allies indicates virus outbreak more likely came from market, not a Chinese lab

Washington (CNN)Intelligence shared among Five Eyes nations indicates it is “highly unlikely” that the coronavirus outbreak was spread as a result of an accident in a laboratory but rather originated in a Chinese market, according to two Western officials who cited an intelligence assessment that appears to contradict claims by President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

“We think it’s highly unlikely it was an accident,” a Western diplomatic official with knowledge of the intelligence said. “It is highly likely it was naturally occurring and that the human infection was from natural human and animal interaction.” The countries in the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing coalition are coalescing around this assessment, the official said, and a second official, from a Five Eyes country, concurred with it. The US has yet to make a formal assessment public.

Well there is only one name there that we know has access to the 5 eyes info, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
The journo did not give a name to anyone proposing the alternative view except for the hand waving “a Western diplomatic official with knowledge of the intelligence said”
We cant let them get away with that, we need to keep the journos honest, well as honest as is possible.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Intelligence community: Trump full of shit
—-
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/04/politics/coronavirus-intelligence/index.html

Intel shared among US allies indicates virus outbreak more likely came from market, not a Chinese lab

Washington (CNN)Intelligence shared among Five Eyes nations indicates it is “highly unlikely” that the coronavirus outbreak was spread as a result of an accident in a laboratory but rather originated in a Chinese market, according to two Western officials who cited an intelligence assessment that appears to contradict claims by President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

“We think it’s highly unlikely it was an accident,” a Western diplomatic official with knowledge of the intelligence said. “It is highly likely it was naturally occurring and that the human infection was from natural human and animal interaction.” The countries in the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing coalition are coalescing around this assessment, the official said, and a second official, from a Five Eyes country, concurred with it. The US has yet to make a formal assessment public.

Well there is only one name there that we know has access to the 5 eyes info, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
The journo did not give a name to anyone proposing the alternative view except for the hand waving “a Western diplomatic official with knowledge of the intelligence said”
We cant let them get away with that, we need to keep the journos honest, well as honest as is possible.

3/10, not bonkers enough

dv said:

Intelligence community: Trump full of shit

Rednecks and fuckwits and psychopaths don’t like science in any form – Tends to point out their destruction and stop them from doing whatever they like.

America needs to get rid of Trump.

Tau.Neutrino said:

America needs to get rid of Trump.

they had their chance back in January.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

America needs to get rid of Trump.

they had their chance back in January.

And they failed miserably.

You know, one thing that’s made me scratch my head about worldometers is that the “Recovered” for UK is always N/A

Recovered = Total – Deaths – Active

Surely they can do that maths.

dv said:

You know, one thing that’s made me scratch my head about worldometers is that the “Recovered” for UK is always N/A

Recovered = Total – Deaths – Active

Surely they can do that maths.

Ha!

Why Scientists Think The Novel Coronavirus Developed Naturally — Not In A Chinese Lab

Scientists Create Antibody That Defeats Coronavirus in Lab

dv said:

You know, one thing that’s made me scratch my head about worldometers is that the “Recovered” for UK is always N/A

Recovered = Total – Deaths – Active

Surely they can do that maths.

The UK government are probably not publishing that figure.

party_pants said:

dv said:

You know, one thing that’s made me scratch my head about worldometers is that the “Recovered” for UK is always N/A

Recovered = Total – Deaths – Active

Surely they can do that maths.

The UK government are probably not publishing that figure.

Maybe they did the maths and decided they didn’t believe the result.

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

You know, one thing that’s made me scratch my head about worldometers is that the “Recovered” for UK is always N/A

Recovered = Total – Deaths – Active

Surely they can do that maths.

The UK government are probably not publishing that figure.

Maybe they did the maths and decided they didn’t believe the result.

Probably they have good data but they are just suppressing it out of habit.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/church-selling-bleach-claims-cures-coronavirus-australia/12201348

Concerns over church in Australia selling bleach which its US leader claims can cure coronavirus

The Australian chapter of an international church that peddles bleach as a cure for coronavirus is selling the product locally.

Key points:Genesis II Church of Health and Healing claims that bleach can cure coronavirusThe Australian chapter of the church is selling the bleach, which it calls MMS, on its websiteThe church’s “Archbishop” says he wrote to Donald Trump about MMS and coronavirus

The Genesis II Church of Health and Healing claims chlorine dioxide is a “miracle cure”.

It sells the industrial bleach as Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS), stating it can cure COVID-19 as well as autism, acne, cancer, diabetes and more.

MMS is not approved for human consumption in Australia or the United States.

Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration warned that MMS poses a serious health risk if consumed and should be labelled with the word “poison”.

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

You know, one thing that’s made me scratch my head about worldometers is that the “Recovered” for UK is always N/A

Recovered = Total – Deaths – Active

Surely they can do that maths.

The UK government are probably not publishing that figure.

Maybe they did the maths and decided they didn’t believe the result.

Probably waiting for Moll’s estimates.

things getting out of control in Russia. 3 days in a row now they’ve had over 10,000 new cases,

party_pants said:

things getting out of control in Russia. 3 days in a row now they’ve had over 10,000 new cases,

Russia is unhealthy as fuck anyway with crap medical so it will hit them hard.

Funny thing for me is it is all a bit abstract, I was solitary anyway didn’t even go shopping, so didn’t change much, ended up in hospital and still here, all in all I missed the whole thing.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

The UK government are probably not publishing that figure.

Maybe they did the maths and decided they didn’t believe the result.

Probably waiting for Moll’s estimates.

> You know, one thing that’s made me scratch my head about worldometers is that the “Recovered” for UK is always N/A
> Recovered = Total – Deaths – Active
> Surely they can do that maths.

“Recovered” in the official UK figures is actually 344 people. The UK is claiming that only 344 of the 190,000 people who caught coronavirus in the country have recovered. They are also claiming that not even one person has recovered from Covid-19 in the whole country since 10 April. This underestimate is so ridiculously horribly bad that Worldometers has had to throw up their hands in disgust and mark it Not Available.

As for the maths, either the UK’s total cases or its active cases has to be out by many tens of thousands. I’m betting that total cases is correct and active cases is ratshit.

It’s possible to reconstruct the actual number of recoveries (and active cases) in the UK from the number of deaths and the mortality rate, where the mortality rate comes from the number of cases and the number of deaths The reconstructed number of active cases in the UK is quite closely proportional to the reliably reported number from nearby France.

AwesomeO said:

Funny thing for me is it is all a bit abstract, I was solitary anyway didn’t even go shopping, so didn’t change much, ended up in hospital and still here, all in all I missed the whole thing.

don’t worry, there’s always next year.

Concerns over church in Australia selling bleach which its US leader claims can cure coronavirus

The Australian chapter of an international church that peddles bleach as a cure for coronavirus is selling the product locally.

The Genesis II Church of Health and Healing claims chlorine dioxide is a “miracle cure”.

It sells the industrial bleach as Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS), stating it can cure COVID-19 as well as autism, acne, cancer, diabetes and more.

MMS is not approved for human consumption in Australia or the United States.

Key points:

Genesis II Church of Health and Healing claims that bleach can cure coronavirus
The Australian chapter of the church is selling the bleach, which it calls MMS, on its website
The church’s “Archbishop” says he wrote to Donald Trump about MMS and coronavirus

more…

Tau.Neutrino said:

Concerns over church in Australia selling bleach which its US leader claims can cure coronavirus

The Australian chapter of an international church that peddles bleach as a cure for coronavirus is selling the product locally.

The Genesis II Church of Health and Healing claims chlorine dioxide is a “miracle cure”.

It sells the industrial bleach as Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS), stating it can cure COVID-19 as well as autism, acne, cancer, diabetes and more.

MMS is not approved for human consumption in Australia or the United States.

Key points:

Genesis II Church of Health and Healing claims that bleach can cure coronavirus
The Australian chapter of the church is selling the bleach, which it calls MMS, on its website
The church’s “Archbishop” says he wrote to Donald Trump about MMS and coronavirus

more…

already been added to the list.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Concerns over church in Australia selling bleach which its US leader claims can cure coronavirus

The Australian chapter of an international church that peddles bleach as a cure for coronavirus is selling the product locally.

The Genesis II Church of Health and Healing claims chlorine dioxide is a “miracle cure”.

It sells the industrial bleach as Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS), stating it can cure COVID-19 as well as autism, acne, cancer, diabetes and more.

MMS is not approved for human consumption in Australia or the United States.

Key points:

Genesis II Church of Health and Healing claims that bleach can cure coronavirus
The Australian chapter of the church is selling the bleach, which it calls MMS, on its website
The church’s “Archbishop” says he wrote to Donald Trump about MMS and coronavirus

more…

already been added to the list.

Now just to find the link to Hillsong Pentecostal and we’re sorted.