Date: 5/05/2020 00:06:03
From: dv
ID: 1551149
Subject: Siberian Ice Maiden

The Siberian Ice Maiden is a woman who died in the 5th century BC, and whose mummified remains were found under a burial mound in the Altai Republic in 1993. (The Altai Republic is part of the Russian Federation, and is adjacent to Mongolia and Kazakhstan).

Skull measurements indicated that she was likely Indo-European. She was around 25-26 years old at the time of death. Cause of death was probably breast cancer. She was buried with a small container of marijuana which may have been for pain-relief.

Her coffin was carved with deer images. She had a shaven head, but wore a horse-hair wig, at the front of which sat a decorative wooden horse. On the top of her head was “a stick made from felt, wrapped with black tissue and decorated with small figures of birds in golden foil. “

She was buried in a long shirt made of Chinese silk. In the chamber were the remains of six horses, all oriented to align with the woman, a metal mirror, decorated saddles made of felt, some jewellery, and some items of food.

One of the most remarkable things about the mummy is the ornate well-preserved tattoos, mostly of stylised animals. This below is found on her shoulder and upper arm, and is described as being a deer with a griffin’s beak and a goat’s horns. The tattoos were made with ash and animal fat.

https://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/features/iconic-2500-year-old-siberian-princess-died-from-breast-cancer-reveals-unique-mri-scan/

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2517siberian.html

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Date: 5/05/2020 00:17:40
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1551154
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

Sad way to go, fourth stage cancer and a likely fall from a horse, then confined to bed.

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Date: 5/05/2020 00:30:23
From: dv
ID: 1551155
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

Bubblecar said:


Sad way to go, fourth stage cancer and a likely fall from a horse, then confined to bed.

Must have been well-regarded given the fancy burial.

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Date: 5/05/2020 00:33:31
From: Arts
ID: 1551156
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

Sad way to go, fourth stage cancer and a likely fall from a horse, then confined to bed.

Must have been well-regarded given the fancy burial.

and the pot…

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Date: 5/05/2020 00:35:53
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1551157
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

Arts said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Sad way to go, fourth stage cancer and a likely fall from a horse, then confined to bed.

Must have been well-regarded given the fancy burial.

and the pot…

Tau would be given the same treatment I feel sure.

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Date: 5/05/2020 01:33:56
From: transition
ID: 1551159
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

read that, was very interesting, sent address to my offspring

cheers

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Date: 5/05/2020 01:46:35
From: Ogmog
ID: 1551161
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

Many Thanks

Ice Mummies: Siberian Ice Maiden

NOVA’s a great resource

PBS is one of the few entities I’m proud to share
my meager resources with on an ongoing basis.

Having read the comments linked to @ the end of the Original Story
I’m interested in other opinions on the significance of the grave gear & tattoos

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Date: 5/05/2020 01:56:55
From: Ogmog
ID: 1551164
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

…for instance;
in the case of “the ICE MAN
it was conjectured that his tattoos
curiously placed over rheumatic joints
…were used to relieve PAIN

So I’m curious about the girl’s injuries from
having fallen from the horse, in as much as she
survived most likely excruciatingly painful dislocations
for what was described as being over a period of months.

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Date: 5/05/2020 02:04:12
From: Ogmog
ID: 1551165
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

Ötzi the Iceman

!!

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Date: 5/05/2020 04:36:46
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1551167
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

dv said:


The Siberian Ice Maiden is a woman who died in the 5th century BC, and whose mummified remains were found under a burial mound in the Altai Republic in 1993. (The Altai Republic is part of the Russian Federation, and is adjacent to Mongolia and Kazakhstan).

Skull measurements indicated that she was likely Indo-European. She was around 25-26 years old at the time of death. Cause of death was probably breast cancer. She was buried with a small container of marijuana which may have been for pain-relief.

Her coffin was carved with deer images. She had a shaven head, but wore a horse-hair wig, at the front of which sat a decorative wooden horse. On the top of her head was “a stick made from felt, wrapped with black tissue and decorated with small figures of birds in golden foil. “

She was buried in a long shirt made of Chinese silk. In the chamber were the remains of six horses, all oriented to align with the woman, a metal mirror, decorated saddles made of felt, some jewellery, and some items of food.

One of the most remarkable things about the mummy is the ornate well-preserved tattoos, mostly of stylised animals. This below is found on her shoulder and upper arm, and is described as being a deer with a griffin’s beak and a goat’s horns. The tattoos were made with ash and animal fat.

https://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/features/iconic-2500-year-old-siberian-princess-died-from-breast-cancer-reveals-unique-mri-scan/

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2517siberian.html

Nice find! Spectacular all around.

Herodotus talks about Scythians using marijuana about that time or a little later. The Scythians being from a similar location, southern Siberia.

First I’ve heard of detailed tattoos of anywhere near that vintage.

Decorated coffin and all.

Better way to go than Otzi, who was garrotted.

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Date: 5/05/2020 06:40:09
From: Ogmog
ID: 1551173
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

but then they think Otzi was kilt
possibly attempting to escape battle
…but whose counting…?

As for the Detailed Tattoos..
is it just me../
..or does that “Deer with a Griffin’s Beak”
look more like (possibly) a representation of the
twisting horse that may have lead to her untimely demise?

Not to say it wasn’t an attempt at some sort of magical-thinking cure.
as opposed to Shamanic or purely decorative in nature

I only say that because the tattoo itself seems inordinately vivid, as in “FRESH

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Date: 5/05/2020 08:58:53
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1551191
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

Probably an important man’s squeeze that fell off a horse

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Date: 5/05/2020 09:00:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 1551193
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

wookiemeister said:


Probably an important man’s squeeze that fell off a horse

Wasn’t always a male dominated society everywhere.

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Date: 5/05/2020 09:07:43
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1551197
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

roughbarked said:


wookiemeister said:

Probably an important man’s squeeze that fell off a horse

Wasn’t always a male dominated society everywhere.


Keep believing the lies roughbark

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Date: 5/05/2020 11:07:29
From: dv
ID: 1551293
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

wookiemeister said:


Probably an important man’s squeeze that fell off a horse

Various articles say it seems she was a shaman

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Date: 5/05/2020 11:11:56
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1551294
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

dv said:


wookiemeister said:

Probably an important man’s squeeze that fell off a horse

Various articles say it seems she was a shaman

yeah. this is a pretty old article and has been posted before. not that that is a bad thing so don’t take umbrage…

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Date: 5/05/2020 11:12:01
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1551295
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

dv said:


wookiemeister said:

Probably an important man’s squeeze that fell off a horse

Various articles say it seems she was a shaman

Burn her burn her……………..

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Date: 5/05/2020 11:13:43
From: dv
ID: 1551296
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

ChrispenEvan said:


dv said:

wookiemeister said:

Probably an important man’s squeeze that fell off a horse

Various articles say it seems she was a shaman

yeah. this is a pretty old article and has been posted before. not that that is a bad thing so don’t take umbrage…

I’m not one for umber.
It’s news to me anyways.

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Date: 5/05/2020 11:16:03
From: Tamb
ID: 1551297
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

dv said:


ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Various articles say it seems she was a shaman

yeah. this is a pretty old article and has been posted before. not that that is a bad thing so don’t take umbrage…

I’m not one for umber.
It’s news to me anyways.

Umber:

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Date: 5/05/2020 11:16:23
From: dv
ID: 1551298
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

Tamb said:


dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

yeah. this is a pretty old article and has been posted before. not that that is a bad thing so don’t take umbrage…

I’m not one for umber.
It’s news to me anyways.

Umber:

Burn!

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Date: 5/05/2020 11:17:57
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1551299
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

Siberian Nganasan shaman chanting and thumping. It’s an acquired taste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RWWHBbVrOg

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Date: 5/05/2020 11:18:18
From: Tamb
ID: 1551300
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

dv said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

I’m not one for umber.
It’s news to me anyways.

Umber:

Burn!

A selection of umbers. Burnt & otherwise

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Date: 5/05/2020 11:28:50
From: dv
ID: 1551305
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

Tamb said:


dv said:

Tamb said:

Umber:

Burn!

A selection of umbers. Burnt & otherwise

Don’t get mad, get even madder

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Date: 6/05/2020 01:50:41
From: Ogmog
ID: 1551741
Subject: re: Siberian Ice Maiden

roughbarked said:


wookiemeister said:

Probably an important man’s squeeze that fell off a horse

Wasn’t always a male dominated society everywhere.

Indeed
there were a several societies
that figured out that walking around
with a club and killing everything in sight
might eventually lead to nature being forced
to kill millions of people simply to restore balance

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